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Shari'a Law Marketed to American Youth

Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 8:00:41 am PST

Andrei Rublev reports that “The Islam Project,” a group ostensibly formed to address “fear and misunderstandings” about Islam after September 11, have moved quietly to their real agenda: marketing Shari’a to America’s most vulnerable citizens.

For Most Americans who regularly watch the news, the term “Sharia law” evokes gruesome images of beheadings, punitive amputations, and women being stoned to death. Muslims who do not approve of the cruelty and misogyny that is often associated with Sharia have two legitimate options for dissociating these practices from Islam. They can either reject Sharia law altogether (much like modern day Judaism no longer proscribes Mosiac law), or they can at least demand that the egregious human rights violations that are currently associated with Sharia be declared forever obsolete.

A high school teaching module prepared by the Council on Islamic Education titled “What is Sharia?” rejects the first option by describing Sharia as the “centerpiece and backbone” of Islam 1. It ignores the second option by failing to make any reference whatsoever to the barbarism and misogyny that is currently associated with Sharia law. Despite this appalling oversight, students are expected to explain significance of the five major schools of Islamic law, list the fields of knowledge required for a qualified Muslim jurist, and learn a total of no less than 21 legal terms. In an era when college professors are lamenting the lack of basic knowledge of modern-day high school graduates, it is amazing that anyone should remotely consider supplementing their social studies curricula with so much arcane minutia.

This particular module comprises only 1 out of 29 that the CIE has presented under the auspices of “The Islam Project,” which the Boston Herald describes as an educational and interfaith initiative designed to dovetail with the PBS documentary “Muhammad: The Legacy of a Prophet” 2, 3. Since the Sharia module avoids the issue of Sharia-related human rights abuses, one might expect these issues to be addressed in other modules like “Human Rights and Religious Tolerance in Islam and in the French and American Enlightenment Traditions.” Don’t hold your breath.

The “Human Rights” module draws “analogies” between Islam and the Enlightenment 4. Quotes from the Jefferson Memorial and the “Rights of Man” are chosen to represent the American and French traditions (Handouts 2 and 3). Quotes from the Quran and Hadith are used to represent the Islamic tradition (Handout 1). The Islamic quotes in Handout 1 are organized under three sections. They include “universal human rights, social justice, and religious tolerance.” The first two categories include passages that stress the importance of moderation, the weighing of good and bad deeds, charity, honesty, honoring one’s parents, respecting property rights, and repressing jealousy. The Enlightenment quotes from Handouts 2 and 3 address freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equality before the law, separation of powers, fair taxation, government accountability, and the government’s duty to respect the general will of the people.

In effect, the quotes in Handout 1 consist almost exclusively of guidelines for improving personal and social behavior. In contrast, the quotes in Handouts 2 and 3 outline safeguards for preventing tyranny (what most Americans recognize as “human rights”). This stark contrast should be obvious to any thoughtful adult. How will this register on the mind of a high school student? How will these students define human rights after being required to compare apples and oranges?

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1 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:03:09am

very subsersive stuff - I just hope that educators and parents tune into what's really going on.

2 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:03:35am

er, subversive PIMF!

3 sven10077  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:03:54am

Islam is a colonial code wrapped up in religious head dressing....

somebody in the "elite" oligarchial class better wake up to the fact that the only difference between a Fascist and an Islamo-fascist is that the garden variety fascist likely has better hygiene and manners.

4 Wino  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:04:19am

It sounds so much like the Borg, but without their personality.

5 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:04:26am

Man, this stuff is bad, bad, bad. I know there are teachers who will welcome this in their classroom, because it means they don't have to create their own lesson plans.

But this is scary.

6 cathymv  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:05:09am

I'm sorry.. I was under the impression that there is a strict law against church/state... that no school is allowed in any way what so ever to be able to even talk about any religion..

oh wait thats right... that rule applies to everyone else... except islam.. where it seems.. can do no wrong...and can never be held to the same rules as every thing else...

see ya
cathy : )

7 e  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:06:42am
much like modern day Judaism no longer proscribes Mosiac law

Oh really? This is the first I've heard of that... What maroons.

8 lost in italia  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:07:08am

And we cannot post the 10 Commandments in schools, or in some cases say the Pledge of Allegiance before the start of the day? Sheeh....

9 Spiny Norman  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:07:50am

They're using Public Television to proselytize? Lovely. Where's the eagle eyes of the ACLU or People for the American Way?

10 Marine Momma  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:09:03am

Now would be a good time to watch for a new island to come up from deep waters and then go live on it. Islam would be banned from it :)

11 redstateredneck  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:10:34am
By serving as a platform for Islamist organizations trying to indoctrinate American youth, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has defrauded not only the trust of its honorable contributors, but American taxpayers as well. Shame on PBS for its cavalier disregard of the first amendment!


We need to end funding of PBS.

12 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:11:19am
They can either reject Sharia law altogether (much like modern day Judaism no longer proscribes Mosiac law)

The comparison between Sharia and "Mosiac law" (presumably Orthodox Judaism) is hideous.

Orthodox Jews have no tradition of 'honor killings,' dhimmitude, misogyny or forced conversions.

13 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:11:57am

#11 redstateredneck

I second, third, and fourth that.

14 bigel[deleted]  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:12:09am
15 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:12:20am

#6

Silly. That only applies to Christian appearences.


Someone brought a Minneapolis paper to work today. I always check out the editorial page to see the daily Bush-bashing. Right underneath the cartoon ridiculing Republicans for supporting Terry Shivio is a letter by one Charles Johnson.

16 Gagdad Bob  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:13:24am

I'm torn. I just found out all my retirement money is invested in The Islam Project.

17 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:13:44am

#12 Carl in Jerusalem

Yeah, I thought that was weird, too. I think the author is referring to stoning and possibly temple offerings, but it is really weird.

18 scoreboard44  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:15:54am

I don't know how I survive each day, being surrounded by so much trash like "Sharia Law".

What is it about the...and I'll say it...(god, I really don't want to sound like every other neo-con out there.....I am beginning to feel overly redundant)...the people who lean Moonbat leftsomehow feel this great need, to not upset the those who would wish to kill us.

By teaching Sharia Law...which I will tell you fully, I have not read it all, but by knowing what it stands for I am totally scared shitless of it, that the left by doing this,...by rolling over like a dog, invite a greater problem later with this.

We all know this...that's why we are here. My problem with this is THAT I can see what happened in the neatherlands as the same thing and they don't.

Tolerance to evil...breeds evil. It needs to be smashed, not embraced.

19 rsquare  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:16:36am

#11 WINO

I used the same analogy with a LLL friend who is a sci-fi geek like me. I said that the islamo-fascists are just like the borg, minus the tolerance...

he still doesn't get it

20 Gagdad Bob  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:16:37am

He's right. Teaching Sharia without beheadings is like teaching Mosaic law without circumcision.

21 lost in italia  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:16:47am

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all) ." 


What about Title IX passed in 1972? Gender discrimination? Ring andy bells Hello?

22 scoreboard44  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:17:24am

So let it be written, so let it be done.

And then let's start smashing.

23 rsquare  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:17:58am

ooops...
thats #4 WINO not only pimf for spelling,
but numbers too

24 Beagle  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:18:26am

CAIR: the litigation, taqiyya, dawa, and propaganda wing of the global Islamic jihad.

25 kafir  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:19:22am

Hmmmm ... do I smell a whitewash? Was someone willfully sold a bill of goods ? Who is sufficiently naive to believe this stuff?

Oh... their target audience.

"Remember, Islam is tolerant, respectful of other religions, and treats all members equally..."

Now go read a news paper, or better yet a blog, and learn the harsh reality of what you are praising.

Remember, those who make common cause with our enemies are not our friends. The enemies of us are those that wish to impose the global caliphate and sharia. Those who whitewash these inconvienent facts are working actively in the service of our enemies.

The irony of this is incredible. The islamofascisti happily whine about how the jooooooooooooos control everything (patently false), have designs on the world (protocols of the elders of zion) based upon known forgeries, and how evil and malevalent they are ... yet ... they wish (and openly admit) to push for a global caliphate (global control), wish to impose sharia and get jhiza paid to them, and they behead innocents, fly planes into buildings, and otherwise make lives miserable for ordinary people whenever they are in town.

What is even more insane than this is that a world body (UN) buys into this crap, and our own state department is infested with lovers of the "noble savages". I am not sure "noble" is the adjective I would use.

I am tired hearing these idiots whining, when they are doing everything in their power to subvert us.

26 Beagle  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:20:22am

#7 e

Oh really? This is the first I've heard of that... What maroons.


Perhaps you've been tried in a Jewish court using Mosaic law? You'd be the only one in centuries.

27 Rednek  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:25:48am

Does anyone know of a list of all the places where Sharia is dominant? I would like to be able to do some compare and contrast.

28 coulterclone  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:28:48am

Exccuuuuuuuususssse me, but but but....what happened to the separation of church and state thing? Why are they teaching this stuff in highschool? What's with those handouts? The only thing they should be handing out is condoms for G-d's sake!

29 Beagle  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:29:31am

CIE - CAIR, whatever. *smacks self in head*

30 kafir  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:31:03am

#21 lost in italia

Hmmm... so title 9 is an example of how bad we in the west are and how good islam is... right?

Western society is not perfect. It is good, and it is self correcting. Islamic society is fixed, it will never change, never adapt. It cannot by definition.

If a christian or worse, a jooooooooooooo in an Islamic country protests their treatment and demands to be treated as an equal, what happens? They are killed.

If a muslim in a western country protests their treatment and demands to be treated as an equal, what happens? They have the right to petition the government for redress of grievances, and to ask for imposition of a law to relieve their legitimate concerns.

Our western government protects minorities from the tyrrany of majorities. Sharia/Caliphate imposes the tyrrany of majority on minority, gives it legal standing and authority.

31 Ann  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:31:09am

Here is website for the Council on Islamic Education
Blatant.

32 Sheet o' Glass  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:32:00am

islam = peace, err..... submission.

33 Right Wing Animator  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:32:24am

You know, this keeps making me wish that the LLL would show up at my school, see what people with thoughts in their head really think; majority of the student body and teachers are right wingers, with a few anarchist students tossed in for the hell of it

34 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:32:34am
much like modern day Judaism no longer proscribes Mosiac law

Didn't you get the memo? Instead of glatt kosher, Jews now eat halal meat.

35 Carl B  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:40:05am

Who is this drivel being directed towards? Are they trying to get their religious propaganda into American schools to further brainwash our children? We need to monitor our local school boards around the country to ensure such deceit does not take hold under the guise of educational diversity.

Wahabiism has already gained a foothold in the US from Saudi Arabia paying to build mosques; they are infesting our public libraries with their vile "free" propaganda, and are now directly trying to subvert our children! Wake up, Americans! Welcoming those who seek your destruction is NOT tolerance, it is organized suicide.

36 Hulegu Khan  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:42:12am

Shariah is fundamentally incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Period. End quote. Full stop.

Shariah is a code of order that has failed to scale up to any social construct larger than the tribe of brigands from which it springs. Its fountainhead, the caliphate, was flushed down the toilet of failed ideologies in 1924 but like a rat that crawls out of the sewer it keeps reappearing. The present generation needs to continue shaking the handle.

37 contractem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:43:44am

#11---
"We need to end funding of PBS." And NPR,NEA,etc

38 Thom  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:43:56am

#12 Carl in Jerusalem

The whole thing is hideous. Invoking the Enlightenment and Thomas Jefferson to prop up the amoral foundations of sharia?! I could puke.

God I hate these people.

39 Ann  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:46:06am

I have to get back to work, but reading this lesson plan on the hijab just made my heart pound.
I just have to get back to work...
{unbelievable. 1st Amendment my...}

40 quark2  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:46:20am

You know watching all of these people sticking their hands into that snake pit is fascinating. They really believe they won't be poisoned when they're bitten. Sad.

Only problem with this is it impacts the rest of us.

41 Renna  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:47:10am

Fight this like the dickens in your own backyard because, even if you don't trust the education of your children to the state, you still have to live among those who will go through this training.

42 Carl B  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:47:50am

From Ann's link a couple up:

Our Mission:

To provide services, resources and research-based tools, predicated upon the highest standards of historical and social science scholarship, to K-12 school textbook publishers, state education officials and policymakers, curriculum developers, and teachers is now online and better then ever.

They are trying to subvert American educational policy and get this drivel directly into our kids textbooks. We can't let that happen!

43 Renna  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:50:41am

Just for completeness, does anyone have a good link to the actual rules of shariah?

44 Carl B  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:54:32am

41 Renna

Fight this like the dickens in your own backyard. . .

Get involved in your local school board and PTA, read your kids' books and keep tabs on their assignments. Don't wait for them to come home smitten by the benevolence of the RoP.

45 templar  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:54:37am

In an amzing bit of Cosmic Justice, my alma mater is hosting Islam Awareness Week, kicking off on March 24 with a seminar entitled "Jihad: Beyond Holy War" and ending on April Fools Day with another seminar called "Scientific Miracles of the Quran", brought to you by the jihadis of the Muslim Student Union. I'm completely serious here (no laughing in the back!) Interesting timing that they should start on Good Friday and continue all through Holy Week. I swear, these people are so much like the sea gulls in Finding Nemo. MINE! MINE! MINE!

46 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:55:44am

And yet, these are "morals" that are "Valued" by many people
- and before I get flamed to death, NO, not by me. Just trying to understand exactly WHY "our" system is better.
Not that I have any doubts, but can it be PROVED?

47 contractem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:56:20am

#42---They are trying to subvert American educational policy and get this drivel directly into our kids textbooks. We can't let that happen!


All that is required is to give large donations to NEA supported politicians and presto, it will be in the textbooks. If you think that we can stop this through normal political channels, you are mistaken. It is going to get ugly, but it will be worth it.

48 Thom  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:56:40am

#46 Pete(Detroit)

Take a peek at Iran.

49 Carolyn  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:57:51am

I am not going to link to Google, but you should see what Google pictures when you search for "Borg". Can you say LLL?

50 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:59:03am

#49 Carolyn

Geepers. How silly.

51 Thom  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:00:20am
52 Jakester  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:01:28am

As much as I despise indoctrination like this, prolly 99.9% of the students will ignore or forget such crap after they slide through the test! Besides, all the positive stuff about Islam will naturally pique someone's interest in the negative side too, especially when they sense it is not balanced.

53 Carolyn  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:01:49am

Well, that's not exactly the one I was talking about. ;)

54 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:02:10am

#51 Thom

What's this? Competition for the 7W chick? Are we now going to get borg fixes?

55 fed-up  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:07:14am

What a complete load of bullshit! HOw in the hell are schools, the "media," and all of these other tools getting away with this garbage. If it was Christianity the ACLU would be all over it, but OHHHH NOOOOOO we have to keep our Muslim friends happy! Screw them and screw the fascist ideology they call a religion. We are on the same track as Europe and most people have no f%$#*g clue - this just wrecked my whole day, dammit.

56 Jheka  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:08:52am

#14 bigel:

It appears that my GBWT is largely uninteresting but, fortunately, pooklekufr has posted something that might be right up your alley.

Not a European in the bunch.

57 Austin Conservative  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:12:04am

Screw the Muslims and their Sharia bullshit. This is the USA, they can take that shit back to the land of Mohammad.

58 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:12:40am

#7, #12, and #17. I would like to clarify my reference to "Mosiac law."

It is not the 10 Commandments, nor does it have much to do with the practices of Orthodox Jews today. Most of it can be found in the Old Testament chapter known as "Deuterotomy." (Second Law). It includes the stoning to death of women who do not preserve their maidenhood before marriage. I don't think that even the ultra-orthodox Jews condone this.

Anyway, I greatly appreciate the feedback from everyone!

Pass it on.

59 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:13:32am
60 Otter  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:13:58am

re Carl, e:

The comparison between Sharia and "Mosiac law" (presumably Orthodox Judaism) is hideous.

I think the reference is to literal Biblical law (eye-for-an-eye), not to Orthodox Judaism.

Of course, even in ancient Israel the law practiced was Oral Law (what was eventually codified as Talmudic law), not literal Mosaic law. The author is guilty of sloppiness, but I don't think he's saying what you guys are hearing it as.

61 Thom  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:14:26am

#54 vxbush

I don't know, but Carolyn made my day!

62 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:14:31am

In the friday 18 march 2005 Richmond Time Dispatch, page B1, column1, an article, A teacher's trek beyond stereotypes by Michael Paul Williams. Excerpts:

[Kathy] Hoof, head of the Center for Mass Communications at Manchester High School, has been selected to spend five weeks in Egypt this summer under the U.S. Department of Education's Fulbright-Hays Seminars Abroad Program.


Hoof will be among 16 U.S. high school and college instructors making the trip as part of a seminar titled "Multiple Perspectives on the Middle East, the Arab and Islamic Worlds."


Her Fulbright proposal laid out plans for world history and geography students to research, write and produce a documentary upon her return using Hoof's video footage on Egypts "cultural and geographic touchstones."


She also plans to have mass communications students analyse and discuss media portrayals of Muslims. They will combine her footage with their on-camera interviews of members of Richmond's Islamic community, to produce a documentary on Islam and the lives of local Muslims in post-Sept.11 America.


"I know very little about it. And I would like to know more... I need to know more."


Federally funded taqayya? Carried out by teachers and high school students? Outrageous.

63 Carolyn  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:15:56am

#61 Thom, glad to help!

64 Ann  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:17:59am

58 Andrei Rublev
Thank you for your work, Andrei! Please join us more often :)

65 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:18:11am

Cool. Author arrives in #58 to explain.

Man, I love the Internet.

66 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:19:07am

#62 abolitionist

Okay, now I'm officially pissed. And that doesn't happen often.

67 Carolyn  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:19:40am

Rublev, I always enjoy your writing. Carolyn(2)

68 Otter  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:21:18am
Most of it can be found in the Old Testament chapter known as "Deuterotomy." (Second Law). It includes the stoning to death of women who do not preserve their maidenhood before marriage. I don't think that even the ultra-orthodox Jews condone this.

Andrei, I think what's confusing people was your reference to "modern day Judaism". If there ever was a society based on literal Torah law at all (which is questionable, and contrary to Jewish tradition) it was replaced by Talmudic law millennia ago.

69 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:26:12am

#62 Abolitionist

Great.
Thank you for publishing that.

Invasion, brainwashing, terrorism.
Repeat until the host Country is conquered.

In every Country.

Boy, the commies were really nothing compared to the servants of the islamic empire.

70 aurelian  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:26:19am

Is it suprising that the fifth-column seeks to sanitize and legitimize the most primitive and barbaric legal system on the planet; a cultural coelacanth that has survived because it is immune to internal criticism and now, seemingly, outside censure? Unfortunately, no.

All around us, the primary instruments of communication - the Acadamedia, Hollywood, public school systems, bookstores, cafes, LLL blogs (deputies of the MSM and ultimately promoters of the same political perspective) - are working fast and furious at undermining the fractured shell of Western civilization. They share, after all, the same goal as the Umma - the destruction of the Western capitalist system - and they recognize the potential power of the Umma to achieve this - regardless of the consequences or seeming inconsistencies with their championship of social justice, gender equality, gay rights, animal rights, etc... .

We're in trouble, folks, deep trouble. While 4 million dead in Chicago might convince another 5% of the population that we're in a war for our very survival, I promise you that Newsweak, Time, and the MSM would step up playing interference for the Umma by bludgeoning us with cries of "racism", "respect for the other", "great Religion of Peace highjacked by a teeny-weeny portion of extremists"... And, just wait until the formal incoporation of the Eurabian vassal states into the caliphate, and our shores are flooded by even more self-loathing, smug, socialist, Jew-hating, fifth-column elites who will have learned nothing - NOTHING - from the loss of their culture, their god, their minds (to paraphrase Malcolm X).

71 Carl B  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:29:35am

#58 Andrei Rublev

What you are referring to wasn't actually carried out in practice. Rabbinic courts required nearly impossible levels of proof to ever exact such severe sentences. The fundamental dictates of fairness and justice embodied in the Torah is a foundation of our American system. There is no comparison to the wanton brutality and repression of sharia.

72 Itch86  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:29:56am

#68 Otter

literal Torah law at all (which is questionable, and contrary to Jewish tradition)


I'm not sure what you mean by that. The Torah (as I've always understood) was what defined and created "Jewish tradition." The Talmud did come later, but was based on traditions and teachings derived from the Torah. I'm not trying to start a flame war; I'd just like an explanation...


Thanks!

73 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:31:16am

#70 Aurelian

We're in trouble, folks, deep trouble

Nope.
We are more in troubles.
Deeper troubles.

74 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:33:23am

I've come to the conclusion that American youth are clammoring to be enslaved by something, if it's Islam so be it. We are fucked as a nation.

75 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:33:45am

Allah Ack-bar, smash boom the planes go into the buildings, fire blood death, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW? ! ?

76 vxbush  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:35:29am

#74 EIDE_Interface

Are we all so willing to give up? I had hoped not. I know there are lots of people here armed to the teeth (and beyond) for exactly this reason.

77 erp  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:40:30am

Last fall I was in the Target store in Daytona Beach Florida and right there in front of the store among the glittery accessories (hand bags, hair ornaments, belts, novelty jewelry, etc. for you guys) was a rack of ugly dun colored head scarves. My stomach fell and I immediately thought this must be the beginning of the attempt to turn our kids toward Islam.

I haven't seen similar display in other stores and it has since disappeared from the DB Target, but I don't think that's the end of it. I still think there's an ad campaign in the works to make our kids think wearing scarves is cool, probably in conjunction with this propaganda program for the schools.

Through the blogosphere, talk radio and the Bush administration, the left's agenda is being exposed and their lies and distortions are being made public, but there is one place where the lunatic left has a complete stranglehold and that's the teachers' unions in the public schools.

Our kids won't be safe until we return control of the public schools to the local communities, so our schools can reflect our values not the values of the worst of the rabid radicals in the teachers' unions.

78 contractem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:43:01am

#76 vxbush-----
I know there are lots of people here armed to the teeth (and beyond) for exactly this reason.


Like I said earlier, it is going to get ugly, but it will be worth it.

79 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:45:58am

#48 Thom

Agreed, anecedotal evidence suggests that life under Islam/Sharia sucks.
"Freedom works every time it's tried" is the common phrasing.
My point is, are there provable concepts / reasons that are behind the success? Are there ways to improve (restore?) the (proper) functioning of our own government? Can we take the impetus for a change and make it work for us? Or, is it demonstrable that the current configuration of our government is already optimized?

80 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:47:42am

#62

I'm sure we'll soon read how gov't money will be used to send a group of teachers and students to Rome to learn more about the Vatican and the Catholic faith. Oh wait, no we won't, that's different.

81 Clio  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:53:51am

"They can either reject Sharia law altogether (much like modern day Judaism no longer proscribes Mosiac law)"

The verb "to proscribe" means "to ban".
It is encouraging to know that Judaism no longer
BANS Mosaic law.

82 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:58:33am
A high school teaching module prepared by the Council on Islamic Education titled “What is Sharia?”

I think we should find out if the Voodoo Council of the Church of Santeria or the Baby Cloning Council of the Raelians has any such gems of free instructional high school teaching modules with which to enrich the minds of our youth.

83 Saltmarsh  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:00:15am

#79 Pete(Detroit)

If you want to debate with Islamic fanatics, go right ahead.

I'll watch as they cut off your head and piss down your throat.

The evil thing called "Islam" is unrelenting and it's a

Perfidious Pigshit Cult.

I don't want to "understand" them. They want to destroy my country and our way of life. That ends the debate for me.

84 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:05:04am

#81

The verb "to proscribe" means "to ban".
It is encouraging to know that Judaism no longer
BANS Mosaic law.


Whoops! After all that careful research I can't believe I made such a silly vocabulary error! Thanks! I will change the word to "condone."

#67

Thanks Carolyn2. Now I don't feel so self-serving about having asked Charles Johnson myself to post my article (just as I had asked Robert Spencer to post my previous article on "jihadwatch"). Warm regards.

85 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:06:58am

31 Ann

The Council on Islamic Education mission:

OUR MISSION To provide services, resources and research-based tools, predicated upon the highest standards of historical and social science scholarship, to K-12 school textbook publishers, state education officials and policymakers, curriculum developers, and teachers is now online and better then ever.

Somebody at CIE should mobilize some of that-there high scholarship and get somebody who can write English clearly, without run-on sentences.

86 Al Charabiya  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:09:56am

#55 fed-up

We are on the same track as Europe and most people have no f%$#*g clue

Wait till Islamic banking starts - over here we're a good few years ahead of you yet on the path to dhimmification...

Lloyds TSB tests Islamic mortgage

Lloyds TSB is to offer a mortgage that complies with Islamic law (Sharia).

The UK's first specialist Islamic bank opened last year and Lloyds last month introduced an Islamic current account.

Lloyds said it wanted to offer a service to Muslims who had decided not to buy a home for religious reasons or have had to take on a normal mortgage.

Muslims are not allowed to pay or accept interest, and analysts said that there may be strong demand for targeted services and products.

"With traditional, interest-based mortgages out of the question for many, the choice tended to be between going against the faith or avoiding a mortgage altogether," said Mark Austin, of Lloyds TSB Islamic Financial Services.

"Our research tells us that three-quarters of the country's Muslims want banking services that meet the needs of their religion."

Under the terms of the new mortgage, Lloyds will not lend money but will buy the house by providing up to 90% of the purchase price.

The customer would then provide the remaining funds, paying the total back over an agreed term, as well as providing a rental payment.

Lloyds is testing the mortgage in five branches; Edgware Road in London; Temple Row and Saltley in Birmingham; George Street and Leagrave in Luton.

So lets get this straight - Lloyds buy the house and muslims can pay this back with no interest (to avoid incurring the wrath of allah) but get charged "rent" on top? Sounds like a fiddle to me. Unless I'm being dim - it has been a long day!

87 Clio  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:14:58am

Re Andrei at No 84

The verb "to condone" means "to forgive"

So now Judaism no longer FORGIVES Mosaic law?

And by the way, since you do so much research try actually reading the Book of Deuteronomy before you misquote it.

88 Otter  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:14:59am

Itch86:

The Torah (as I've always understood) was what defined and created "Jewish tradition." The Talmud did come later, but was based on traditions and teachings derived from the Torah.

Comment #71 is a good example of traditional doctrine -- that there never was a point where literal Torah law was in practice as the practices that were eventually gathered into the Talmud have always been an unwritten guide to the written practice. Whether or not that's precisely true, it's true give or take a thousand years.

I'm not trying to start a flame war; I'd just like an explanation...

Sure, no offense taken!

89 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:16:49am

83 Saltmarsh

If you want to debate with Islamic fanatics, go right ahead. I'll watch as they cut off your head and piss down your throat.

Nope, thanx - not even particularly interested in debating Islamic NON-fanatics... was interested in getting discussion going as to what's RIGHT w/ our system, and how to make it BETTER, not trying to convince them what's wrong w/ theirs.

And totally agreed, btw - you can NOT have 'intelligent debate / discussion / diplomacy' with folks who's deepist wish is to get you and as many of your buddies into as small a space as possible, and blow himself up.
Realistically, you have nothinng to offer (other than the future oppertunity to take out more poeps he hates worse).

90 Ann  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:17:01am

#85 Rufus Lee King

Somebody at CIE should mobilize some of that-there high scholarship and get somebody who can write English clearly, without run-on sentences.

You are right, but I am assuming that the CIE realizes that their true market is LLL educators... -:)

91 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:18:00am

86 Al Charabiya

So lets get this straight - Lloyds buy the house and muslims can pay this back with no interest (to avoid incurring the wrath of allah) but get charged "rent" on top? Sounds like a fiddle to me.

Apparently, Allah and his illiterate prophet are easily placated by crafty semantics.

92 Hulegu Khan  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:20:47am

Saltmarsh (#83): You can count me and and about 175,000 active duty United States Marines in on the concept.

93 sandspur  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:30:10am

82 Rufus Lee King

Do you suppose if someone made some free lesson plans along the lines of "The Truth About Islam Project" he could get it into the schools?

94 Renna  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:31:43am

#85 Rufus

and better then ever

And without typos!

95 jmaimarc  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:35:52am

I don't know which Judaism the author's talking about, but mine certainly never proscribed Mosaic Law. In fact it is the larger body of Torah and Talmud that has been handed down from generation to generation, elucidated and refined with time.

pro·scribe (pr-skrb)

1. To denounce or condemn.
2. To prohibit; forbid. See Synonyms at forbid.
3.
a. To banish or outlaw (a person).
b. To publish the name of (a person) as outlawed.

Methinks the author needs a link to Dictionary.com

96 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:36:18am

#87 Clio

And by the way, since you do so much research try actually reading the Book of Deuteronomy before you misquote it.

Geez! What is your big problem with my "misquoting" Deuterotomy? The fact remains that stoning women to death was a real penalty carried out in the Holy Land 2000 years ago. That is precisely why Joseph planned to secretly divorce the virgin Mary when he found her with child before his marriage was consumated: He did not want her executed for her what he thought was a sexual indiscretion. This barbaric practice was later forbiden by Jesus (Everyone knows that story). Obviously, the Jewish community stopped it too. When they stopped, or whether or not it is not as bad as Sharia (neither which I claim to know) is totally besides the point. One Semitic culture progressed (and lead the world), the other did not (and hates modernity). That is the only point I need to make. If this analogy helps get the attention of liberals whose minds are stunted with post-modernist conditioning, then all the better.

97 contractem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:39:42am

#96---Book of Deuteronomy does say to stone stubborn sons to death. Yikes, I would have been dead a long time ago.

98 contractem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:48:17am

OT-OT

Economic migrants(illegals) from Latin America(Mexico) and the Caribbean sent home $45.8bn last year, 20 per cent more than in 2003, according to a report to be published this week. Of the total, at least $8bn (EU6bn, £4.7bn) boosts savings or investment, contributing significantly to the region's long-term economic prospects.

Economic migrants? A new one on me.

99 quark2  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:52:21am

@86 Al Charabiya


That is ironic. The reason they're not supposed to use our banking system is because of the usery (interest) which is halal.
And yet all they've done is rename the interest with rent.
So they've done nothing to stop paying interest, just a cheat they are using by activating semantics.

100 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:53:08am

94 Renna

I'd say the CIE gets a D on that paragraph for English as a Second Language class.

Time to let them write portions of our high school textbooks.

101 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 8:53:59am

#98

Economic migrants: see guest workers; undocumented entrants.

102 reader  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 9:07:37am

Muslims and Muslim groups already know that the battle for dominance in the west is one that must be fought in educational circles, which is why they are very well organized and well-funded, and prepared to engage this battle in every domain. We in the West, the vast majority that is, still don't get it, just as most still don't understand Islam, certainly not what it entails for non-Muslims. It doesn't help that were still not organized at all. I continue to bang the drum for education, even if it is just for a seemingly disorganized, impromptu, interpersonal style that I often promote here, not that is the only approach I advocate or support. As it is, I really don't think we have any choice. I don't see government, the mainstream media or educational institutions coming over to our viewpoint and enlightened understanding of Islam anytime soon, if ever. Its up to us, and will always be up to us, because this will always be first and foremost a cultural war.

I've written my share of letters to journalists, professors, politicians and media people, trying to educate and inform them, but I know nothing I do, including coming here to write for an audience of thousands, comes close to what I know I can achieve when I reach people on a personal level. Its why I tend to eschew and downplay newspapers and tv as mediums for reaching minds. I see them as insufficient, as they are essentially passive mediums, not engaging enough. Radio is probably better, though their audiences tend to be more locked-in and fragmented, without as much as cross-appeal, while the internet is better, but still not enough. If you really want to get a message across, especially a difficult one, you often have to do what people like missionaries, psychologists, coaches, Islamic apologists and people like Robert Spencer know about communication, and that is you still need to approach people more directly, in an interpersonal, one-on-one or small group style communication if you want to get your message out, especially if it is a difficult and rather complex message to communicate.

103 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 9:20:05am

#87 Clio

Oh and by the way, thanks again for correcting my definition of "proscribe" (and "condone' too).

Unfortunately, I am my own editor. My wife barely tolerates what I do on the internet (because she thinks it neglects my real job, which is teaching biology), one of my sisters is so far left that she would freak out if she saw what I wrote, my other sister is still so mad about my voting for Bush that she refers to my articles as "screeds" ... You get the picture.

104 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 9:27:11am

Chills my blood and stokes my anger.

105 alegrias  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 9:55:06am

Contact your current politicians and any candidates for elected office right now about your concerns. I wrote Virginia's lieutant Governor complaining about Salvadoran gang attacks and lo and behold, at today's kickoff for his campaign for Republican governor, Jerry Kilgore talked about fighting gangs statewide & nationally.

Must keep sounding the alarm for regulation of jihadist saudi academies in our state...

106 Mentat  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 9:58:05am

#43 Renna

[Link: boston.indymedia.org...]

What does the Shariah law actually state? Here are some examples of Shariah law:

1. Offensive, military jihad against non-Muslims is a communal, religious obligation;
2. A person who is ignorant about Islamic legal opinion must follow the legal opinion of a scholar;
3. The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death;
4. When slaughtering animals for food, a knife must be used to cut the windpipe and gullet;
5. A woman is only eligible to receive half the inheritance of a man;
6. Marriage may be forced on virgins by their father or father’s father;
7. A non-Arab man may not marry an Arab woman;
8. A woman must seek permission from her husband to leave the house;
9. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman who is a Zoroastrian, an idol worshipper, an apostate from Islam or a woman with one parent who is Jewish or Christian, with the other being Zoroastrian; a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but a Muslim;
10. A free Muslim man may marry up to four women;
11. Retaliation is obligatory in most cases when someone is deliberately murdered except when a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, a Jew or a Christian kills a Muslim apostate or a father or mother kill their offspring;
12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”;
13. The penalty for fornication or sodomy is being stoned to death;
14. The penalty for an initial theft is amputation of the right hand. Subsequent thefts are penalized by further amputations of feet and hand;
15. A non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim in court; a person who is “without respectability” cannot give legal testimony; a woman’s legal testimony is only given half the legal weight of a man’s (and is only acceptable in cases involving property); to legally prove fornication or sodomy requires 4 male witnesses who actually saw the act;
16. The establishment and continuation of the Islamic Caliphate (by force, if necessary) is a communal obligation;
17. Sodomites and Lesbians must be killed;
18. Laughing too much is forbidden;
19. Musical instruments are unlawful;
20. Creating pictures of animate life is forbidden;
21. Female circumcision, which includes the excision of the clitoris, is obligatory;
22. Slavery is permitted;
23. People may be bribed to convert to Islam;
24. Beating a rebellious wife is permissible; and,
25. Lying is permissible in a time of war (or jihad).

107 jehu  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 10:38:43am

Islam Sucks. Whenever I go through an airport I think about screaming out loud how much Islam Sucks. But half of the screeners look like they stick their asses in the air 5 times a day and pray to a rock. Friggin idiots!

108 jehu  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 10:41:51am

contractin

i #96---Book of Deuteronomy does say to stone stubborn sons to death. Yikes, I would have been dead a long time ago.

But do you see the wisdom? No rebellious ungrateful sons...no liberals! No wonder Israel lasted 1,500 years, and comes back in 1948.

109 mccleansan  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 10:44:02am

This is an advertisement for private education.

110 quark2  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 10:59:24am

@103 Andrei Rublev


Howdy, and welcome new minion. Looks as though you've already have the thick skin. :)

It's always wise to stand on principle, and not on preference.

111 dicentra  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 11:08:04am

Andrei:

"prescribe" might be the word you're looking for.

So it was just a typo, right? :D

112 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 11:30:29am

#111 dicentra

"prescribe" might be the word you're looking for.

Thanks! I only wished I had read this suggestion earlier (I already made a correction, but "prescribe" would have been better). That's a lesson I'll never forget.

With so many well-informed bloggers, who needs an editor!?

Long live the pajamajideen!

113 EE  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 11:59:13am
For Most Americans who regularly watch the news, the term “Sharia law” evokes gruesome images of beheadings, punitive amputations, and women being stoned to death.

It would be good if there were a public campaign in America in opposition to beheadings, punitive amputations, and women being stoned to death.

No good can come from sweeping that kind of stuff under the rug, far from view. Sweeping it under the rug is only going to help perpetuate it. There needs to be a public campaign in America exposing it and denouncing it.

114 transferthem  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 12:42:36pm

How the hell are these kids going to be able to take their exams on shari'a law when they won't have any hands to write with by the end of the course?!

115 Andrei Rublev  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 1:06:54pm

#113 EE

There needs to be a public campaign in America exposing it and denouncing it.

You may want to check out this website:


[Link: www.co-jet.org...]

In fact, it was the organizer of this website who persuaded me to do some research and write articles on the Islamist agenda in secondary schools in America.

116 quark2  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 2:05:27pm

If the real truth of islam could be exposed to the pubic, it would be the beginning of the end of islam.
Based on its beginnings it cannot be reformed. To be reformed would be to return to it's origins. Which are violent, barbaric and
savage.

117 e  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 2:30:38pm

I hardly know where to begin.

Perhaps you've been tried in a Jewish court using Mosaic law? You'd be the only one in centuries.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

A bet din is still used today voluntarily by Jews to settle disputes within the community, for conversion, and the validation or nullification of marriage and divorce documents. In Israel, an elaborate network of bet dins were established under the Supreme Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem. The State of Israel has taken over this system, giving the bet din exclusive jurisdiction over the Jewish population in matters of personal status such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance; however, secular courts oversee all non-halachic legal issues.

"Eye for an Eye"

I think the reference is to literal Biblical law (eye-for-an-eye), not to Orthodox Judaism.

Eye for an eye sets out limits on retribution, disallowing (for example) a death penalty in exchange for the loss of an eye. As I've been taught, the actual "eye" taken was monetary compensation for the loss of use.

Of course, even in ancient Israel the law practiced was Oral Law (what was eventually codified as Talmudic law), not literal Mosaic law. The author is guilty of sloppiness, but I don't think he's saying what you guys are hearing it as.

It's all Torah, it was all given at Sinai, it's all what Judaism is. Everything else is commentary.

the practices that were eventually gathered into the Talmud have always been an unwritten guide to the written practice.

I think this is not a good characterization of the oral law and its commentary, which is what the Talmud is.

That said, I'm probably the worst person to comment on this. I am not an expert on Torah and I hope someone better able than I puts in their two sheckels.

118 Baldy  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 3:15:11pm

When I was a kid, if adults said to do something, or believe something, I often did the opposite. I forget this all the time. There is hope, if teenagers continue to defy authority, and annoy their elders. I'm being serious.

119 d_on_a_palehorse  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 4:01:25pm

Sharia law, the F out of here! There are the ten-commandments, easy to understand, then there is the US Constitution, unless you are a 9th Court Justice, pretty direct also. Sharia Law, give me a break!

Unless of course a black dog interrupted your conversation with Gabriel, then, of course, that's a whole 'nother story.

gmafb

120 steph_gray  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 4:20:19pm

#106 Mentat

Thanks for publishing that list - scary! It should be widely spread. (By the way on your name, I can't re-read Dune anymore because of the jihadist theme, but granted, it was brilliant. Simpler days...)

----

If anyone's watching 24, I'm glad to see that at least one major production is trying to tell the terrorist story, even partially. (In another universe I am also in love with Jack Bauer :-)

The list reminded me, ironically, of The Handmaid's Tale, which I'm about to re-read. Sad that Margaret Atwood is clearly an LLL who thinks that Christian fundamentalism is somehow worse than Islamic fundamentalism. The way she chooses to illustrate this point in her novel is to take many of the elements of Islamic fundamentalism and imagine a future in which Americans choose a variety of it for themselves! Extremely whacked. But then again it might be worthwhile pointing out to the types who read that book where all that horror exists in real life, wouldn't it?

121 CPT Tom  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:31:22pm

From Grand Ayatollah Sistani's own web site: "What is permissable and forbidden is clarified here" It's actually quite a good site for information about Islam and its practice

122 bombarafat  Wed, Mar 23, 2005 5:05:38am

No one ever practiced "Mosaic Law" they mean the laws given which sound off the wall without being explained by the oral Torah.

123 opine6  Wed, Mar 23, 2005 7:03:48am

Why in the HELL are we teaching ANY religion in our high schools, or any school for that matter. Is Islam the only "politically correct" religion that can be uttered in our public schools? We are in DEEP trouble, America, when Christianity is kept out, but Islam can be taught.


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