I certainly regret and apologize for that misunderstanding and want to remind all that our school as well as others in Seattle honor and celebrate our veterans every year and in many ways.

ya got a funny way of showin that

They must be getiin' some of Vancouvers free heroin.

Oh, dramatic. Calling a soldier a baby-killer is just dramatic production. God I hate school administrator double speak.

Some of our military panelists were deeply offended by this dramatic production and felt unfairly targeted because of their service to our country. I certainly regret and apologize for that misunderstanding and want to remind all that our school as well as others in Seattle honor and celebrate our veterans every year and in many ways.

In other words, "We're sorry you thick-headed military types are too stupid to grasp the nuances of our satirical expressions."

Weasel.

Seattle schools are filled with hate America first teachers and supported by single mom wacko parents. When you think Seattle, think San Fancisco without the funk. Beautiful place, but very left and boring.

On behalf of our school, I personally called Major Thomas and apologized. We spoke for around 20 minutes. He asked for a copy of the letter I sent home with our students about the incident, and I have sent that letter to him.

That statement is going to result in this principal becoming personna non grata around Seattle.

What no evil "Hitler/Bush" character to round out the cast of characters?

BLAH BLAH BLAH

We know how you really feel.

You can say you didn't know about the "dramatic production" beforehand but I don't believe you.

Seems like the classic "we're sorry that feelings were hurt", in lieu of "we're sorry for what happened."

This is an old standby, used by weasels everywhere.

#5 rcris5

Correct on the Seattle being lib and boring. Look at that Gov.

they selected!

Eco-terrorist, hippy freaks (phreaks).

And as soon as you take stern disciplinary actions against the faculty and adminstrators that violated school board policy, as a veteran, I'll accept your apology.

Unless and until such actions are taken, I see this a nothing more than lip service from the unpatriotic and seditious left.

Ooops. Sorry for the redundancy. Change it to "...from the leftists."

You have to admit, though, an apology is a huge improvement over screeching about the students first amendment rights, which is what I would have expected.

(By the way, before I get trolled; Yes, I believe in the first amendment, but I also believe in good taste, good manners, and common decency.)

To be fair. (Please don't flame me, I come from a VERY military family)

The actions taken and apologies look like what one could expect from a Principal who discovered that students (and Teachers, and 'others from the community') had gotten out of hand and wanted to correct the situation.

The question I asked myself about this response is "What would I have done?" And the steps taken:

1) Stopping the 'Dramatic Production' immediately.
2) Clearing all signs of it BEFORE the student body saw it.
3) Apologizing personally and in writing to all offended.
4) Not getting defensive toward the public who emailed.

Seem to be rational and called for.

Unless someone can show that I missed something (Which I am ALWAYS open to), I think Lizardoids should be thankful that the Principal acted in an appropriate and honorable way here. There seem to be so few examples of it that we should encourage the good ones!

Truth Junkie

Why couldn't the kids just warm up with a nice islamic whirling dervish?

I certainly regret and apologize for that misunderstanding and want to remind all that our school as well as others in Seattle honor and celebrate our veterans every year and in many ways.

If this was just a *misunderstanding*, why does anyone need to apologize?

Looks to me as if it was understood quite well...

idunno, I'm almost willing to accept this apology if it weren't for 2 things.

1) Why did it happen in the first place? I'm not that far out of HS, I know these kids didn't just get together and say "Hey, lets do this!" and they didn't get adults to help without someone suggesting it. It doesn't add up, these kids put a lot of effort into this. They wouldn't have done so unless they believed it would be praised. Kids in school tend to be pretty good at figuring out what will draw their superiors praise, so someone had to have created an environment that would lead these kids to believe this would be praised!

2) Unless this was ALL over the local news and there were no way anyone could miss hearing about the story, even then I think it would be appropriate to say what happened. In the letter to parents they don't say what happened, just that it happened and that it was stopped. From a defensive standpoint it's the obvious move to make, if parents don't know what happened but know that it was stopped then they can't be angry about what happened in the first place.

"where words are many, sin is not far off" -- Proverbs
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Related : Respect for those who serve --

It's the last letter Marine First Lieutenant Brian Donlon sent before heading home.

Click here

If you are not in the habit of browsing Blackfive, read the whole thing.

Those were two well-written letters.

#7 FlyingTigress

That statement is going to result in this principal becoming personna non grata around Seattle.

The job of principal is one of the most politically demanding jobs in education. It's a balancing act where you try your best to avoid pissing off the superintendent, the teachers, the kids, the parents, the community, etc. Definitely not for the weak-kneed.

Nope, sorry, I'm going against the grain (so far) and giving the principal a *golf clap* on this one. Why?

1. Some asshatted faculty member allows asshatted students to do a bullshit 'reenactment' (lousy choice of words) of the war in Iraq.
2. Our ill-timed Major walks in, and gets pissed, rightly so I might add.
3. Principal comes in, sees the debacle, tells the students to sit down and STFU.
4. Rest of the student body comes in and the debate goes on.

I think this was the act of a small few and it went on without the knowledge of most of the administration. The principal acted in the best way possible given the situation. Plus, I feel that the letter home is a fluff piece as to avoid the shitstorm from any DUmmy-like parents.

#13 not neo just conservative

I also believe in good taste, good manners, and common decency

They don't teach that in school any more; nor do they teach it in some homes, unfortunately.

eh, I thought it was an acceptable apology. It was called to hault, and she DID apologize. I believe she didn't approve of them doing it. Assuming for the moment that she herself is anti-war, and I to assume that, what else is she going to do?

Honestly, I accept the fact that most school administrators are radical leftists, I wish more would keep to themselves, and/or apologize when it slips out -- in this case it was other school personel who screwed up. Should they be disciplined? Possibly, but the students should not be; wrong though they are.

#15 S o' G

Now that was funny. LOL!

#24 maf

just give it some time...

Washington is rapidily slipping into an anti-american, pacifist state, not unlike France.

Washington was unable to hold a fair election in 2004 and the people in control, want it that way.

Washington has been taken over by dope smoking, tree hugging, maggot infested, 1960's retreads. Blame the parents of these students, they are the true american haters, the kids are just too young to know better.

#11

That's the funny thing: we didn't elect her; our courts did. Funny how democrats always turn to the courts when popular opinion is against them. It's unfortunate, because we couldn't rouse enough media attention/scrutiny to what they were doing to preserve the integrity of the election.

On-topic, it's sad how readily these people will swallow the spoon-fed lies. Those faculty should be fired, and the kids have explained to them that their country's soldiers aren't, in fact, the rascist monsters their insane liberal faculty make them out to be.

#18 Havoc

I've been meaning to ask. Is that "Havoc" as in "Cry havoc and release the dogs of war"

OT but somewhat related: (well, it's about crazy academics)

Here's VDH's latest take on Chutch: The Seven Faces of "Dr." Churchill

I particularly like his summary paragraph:

Perhaps it is best to think of Churchill as our aging portrait of an academic Dorian Gray, in whom all the once-hallowed university’s vices and sins of the last half-century are now so deeply etched and lined.

#11

WE didn't select that Governor. The COURTS did.

#13

Exactly. I can't believe that she jeopardized her job by apologizing at all, even if it was rather weak.

Okay, I work in a high school, and there's no way something like that could take place without our principal knowing about it. If nothing else, it takes time to set it up, and someone had to have noticed.

I am sooo glad they shut it down.

geez, this is bothersome to me. The women apologized and made her excuses, not justifications. No 1st Amendment babble, no anti-war rhetoric from her. I think the people looking to hang her are sounding a little like the rove-fearers over at DU

Frankly, I very much believe it would be A-OK to not present the "anti-Soldier" side at all (I'm a ex-Marine), but look from a Seatle School Administrator, this is a pretty big step toward fairness.

at least she thought it important enough to reply ..I got the same response from my letter to her. Disrespect our troops and you walking on the fighting side of me..

#34 southernborn

Amen

#25 S o' G

Very true. I just had a image in my mind of all these high screwlers spinning around with Fez caps on, looking like a pack of drunk shriners at a convention.

Que the M.E. music and lets spin!

I've had just about enough of the old "we support the troops" from the likes of this principal. Oh really? Prove it. Show me one thing you have done, ever, to support the troops.

33 TheSecularConservative

it aint what ya say, it's what ya DO
she can apologize from now till doomsday
if behavioral changes follow at the school then thats different
this is normally white man taqqiya

#11 maf: We did not select her she stole the election!

On the day of the assembly, approximately 15 minutes before its start, I was made aware of a dramatic production in the theater.

So let's see, there's a well organized, well rehearsed and well planned event, with props, costumes and written scripts involving students and adults going on in this school and the principal doesn't have any idea it's going on?

Thanks Susan Ders for admitting that you absolutely no freaking idea what's going on in your school.

I don't whether to call you a liar or an imbecile.

And, I might add, the principal didn't write the letter, I bet. District counsel did. Whenever something controversial happens in our district any letter that goes home gets vetted by the shysters down at district.

what the fuck is this closing qoute supposed to mean?

While we cannot shy away from these tough issues, you have my commitment to approach them in a fair, thoughtful and respectful manner.

And immediately following that, no thank you for their service to the country? No thank you anywhere, except for support of the schools? A bunch of wishy-washy half-apologies and proselitizing about equal forums and opinions? COME ON.

I smell a backtracking liberal principal who knows more about this than she's letting on...

38 BabbaZee

I didn't say I was going to send her to the next RNC convention. She's unquestionably a liberal, I unquestionably disagree with everything she believes.

But, you are right, it's what you do. She invited pro-war speakers in the first place: not bad from a Seattle liberal. I won't be inviting her to dinner, but I'm not going fire up a torch and noose in her name either.

#43 TheSecularConservative
I'm not going fire up a torch and noose in her name either.

No one is.

nuke seattle

#32 Bob's Kid

Okay, I work in a high school, and there's no way something like that could take place without our principal knowing about it. If nothing else, it takes time to set it up, and someone had to have noticed.

My sentiments exactly.

The question is: what did he know and when did he know it?

#43 TheSecularConservative

not bad from a Seattle liberal.

That was my point earlier. Her response was in no way perfect, but it is a massive improvement over what I would have expected considering the location and her vocation.

#19 Those were two well-written letters.

Assuming you're right-- that the letter accurately expresses the writer's intent-- then the principal's "regret" and "apology" are mocking condescensions. Spiny Norman's analysis is correct.

This "apology" merely heaps scorn (ignorance) upon slander (babykillers).

That will do nicely sir

#38

You've got to understand the Seattle mindset (especially the school systems, after all, this is the state with Evergreen College). She didn't have to send any response or apology and she would have been fine. No one in West Seattle would crucify her. In fact, she's probably in more trouble with the school district for cancelling the "reenactment" than if she would have let it go on. I'd love to see liberals up here grow a spine overnight, but I'll settle for one showing SOME understanding as a start.

Great response -- for having been caught with the fingers in the cookie jar.

"I'm SORRY"... "Honest... I didn't KNOW what was going on at my school!"...

It would be interesting to talk to one of my co-workers about this when I get back from vacation -- "they" (won't be more specific than that) are one of Seattle School Board members.

Let me put it this way,

Given the available selection pool -- unless Bill Bennet has decided he wants to run a Seattle school, if you were to fire her, you can be her replacement would be worse.

There just AREN'T right-leaning (or even center leaning) people who are even close to that position. Some of that is because they black-listed, some because of indoctrination, and some because its just not the sort of thing a conservative thinker generally wants to do.

So, someone who even FEINTS in the direction of fairness, is the best you can do for now.

Sorry, I'm a conservative thinker, not a conservative jihadist; so now storming the school and inserting Charles in Charge (always end on a joke)

#46

He = She TWICE

PIMF

#30 Fighting Irish

#39 steve

I understand she stole the election up there. Did mean to paint with such a broad brush.

However there is a high number of eco-ts, hippies and assorted libs in Washington.

Would not agree?

The question I'm left with is, what will be the consequenses to the faculty and students who put on this unauthorized event? My guess is, not a thing, other than being patted on the back by the other lefties at that moonbat farm.

I'm with the Principal on this one. The faculty involved in the skit? That's another story. It would be very easy to have this happen without the Principal knowing. The Principal's letter explains how the program was set up to be balanced. Since the assemply was student initiated, it does not surprise me that students were setting up the auditorium before the program. I like the idea that the children are responsible for seeing their own program be implemented from start to finish. The Principal should not be expected to sit in the audotorium before the program starts just to make sure, even in Seattle, that no one is up to anything. It is her responsibility to know what is going on in the classroom, but sometimes that knowledge necessarily comes after the fact. What will be interesting is how the faculty members involved are reprimanded, if at all. They are the one's who allowed this to happen, not the principal, who stopped it and did not allow other students to see it.

Also, even assuming that parents were aware of what their children had planned (under supervision of certain faculty), there is no reason to presume that they reached out and contacted the prinicpal to complain (again, it is Seattle.)

This is the kind of Principal (so far) that we should want in our schools. Let's see how those involved are dealt with before we condemn. Let's see if the children involved have a follow-up meeting/session explaining why their actions were inappropriate. Don't write the school or the teacher off so quickly. How are things supposed to get better if you immediately dismiss even positive reactions to these situations.

#51 Fighting Irish
#43 TheSecularConservative

I think we're outnumbered.

I just can't get too worked up over these letters. I guess her heart wasn't in it. I'd have expected at least one Hitler reference or a "Blood for Oil" quote. This stuff is too milquetoast to get excited about.

Our students were wrong to provide a biased warm up skit prior to our assembly. When I discovered that they had done so, and that they had invited others from the community to participate in the activity, I called the activity to an immediate halt.

Sorry, Ms. Ders but you were also wrong for not taking the initiative to find out in advance what the students had planned.

Oh good grief! that should have read ...Didn't...

PIMF

OT, but acadhimmia-related: Ward Churchill's at Berkeley March 28

Protest Warriors? Zombie?

#55 maf

I'd absolutely agree, but look at the presidential vote for the last election and I think you'll see that it's getting better (for the right) than it used to be. With Boeing losing some of its luster and taking a lot of the union vote out of the state, combined with a lot of centrist democrats escaping Oregon into the southern part of the state, things are looking up. The state did elect a Republican governor, we just couldn't keep the momentum up enough to overrule the courts.

#52 Great response -- for having been caught with the fingers in the cookie jar.

That's BS. It's like saying Ashcroft or G.W. are responsibile for knowing what was going on at Abu Ghraib. They are responsible for redressing the situation when it became known to them, which they did. That is exactly what the Principal did here, she found out about something, stopped it, contacted the Officer who was offended, and made her apologies public to the world.

#57 - You did overlook something by saying that the principle should be responsible for "what goes on in the classroom." How about what is going on in the SCHOOL (auditorium included). If this issue is the divisive and emotional issue that she claims it is, dont you think she should have had an eye on the event and its planning, execution and content the whole time? How good of a principal can she be if she can't detect an anti-war rally involving students, faculty members and community activists before pro-military speakers in her own auditorium?

just a thought...

#5 maf. I do most certainly concour with you.

eco-ts, hippies and assorted libs...
That is why I live up wind from Seattle.

Nice place to visit but would not want to live there.

I have a friend that live in Shoreline besides.

principal, not principle (dammit)

well, we do have our moonbats too. When leftists attack this site they never use Charles' quotes, they always go after the comments section. You'll notice Charles didn't attack -- he didn't congratulate either, and neither am I nor "not Neo" (can I call you morpheus then?) nor Irish.

# 41

Truth Jukie

1) Stopping the 'Dramatic Production' immediately.
2) Clearing all signs of it BEFORE the student body saw it.
3) Apologizing personally and in writing to all offended.
4) Not getting defensive toward the public who emailed.

Seem to be rational and called for.

Unless someone can show that I missed something (Which I am ALWAYS open to), I think Lizardoids should be thankful that the Principal acted in an appropriate and honorable way here. There seem to be so few examples of it that we should encourage the good ones!

Truth Junkie

OK, lets play shoe on the other foot for a moment. Let's pretend a bunch of students and faculty, staff? Put on a play where they were showing Moslems beheading victims, brutalizing women...you know, just being GOOD Moslems?

Now what would have been the response? Think a few faculty, would have been suspended? Even fired? Think it would not have been front page news in the MSM?

This Principal knew what was going on, got caught and had to scuttle and squirt out squid ink in retreat. You do not become a Principal in a Seattle High School, if you have not graduated Summa Cum Laude from moonbat school.

#64 JT - Last of the Moheebans

Absolutely. And no matter what her personal feeling are. She put a stop to it and apologized. It's too bad if the apology isn't up to some standards; it could've been worse. She could have let the production go on under the guise af free speech and refused to apologize.

#57 JT

I'm sorry.. I have to disagree with you on this one.

If this were almost any place other than [West] Seattle of the late 20th Century/early 21st, I'd agree that the principal might have no reasonable expectation that what happened MIGHT happen.

If she didn't know, it suggests ignorance of the community in which her school is located.

If she did, she's sorry (or, the District is) only that they were caught -- and that it became a local controversy.

Oh, dramatic. Calling a soldier a baby-killer is just dramatic production.

He's tap dancing around this a little too much. If the local KKK students would have done a celebration of lynchings, would he say "I respect their point of view".

Having several relatives who are teachers, I have to say that school administrators are the most paranoid group of people in the world. Most common phrase heard in their offices..."we might get sued".

Moreover, several grown adults were standing on stage in bright orange jump-suits, with black bags on and off their heads, some bound and tied, and some banging symbols and gongs in a crude depiction of what I believe were their efforts to depict victims of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode.

Who, indeed.

It's like saying Ashcroft or G.W. are responsibile for knowing what was going on at Abu Ghraib. They are responsible for redressing the situation when it became known to them, which they did. That is exactly what the Principal did here, she found out about something, stopped it, contacted the Officer who was offended, and made her apologies public to the world.

good post,
she saw a problem, and she solved it.
good schools, and good teachers, are still keeping our childern safe and educated.

#64 JT

Okay, I work in a high school, and there's no way something like that could take place without our principal knowing about it. If nothing else, it takes time to set it up, and someone had to have noticed.

Not a good analogy, the school auditorium is a lot closer to the principal than Abu Ghraib is to D.C.

THE PRINCIPAL KNEW.

#65 - You did overlook something by saying that the principle should be responsible for "what goes on in the classroom." How about what is going on in the SCHOOL (auditorium included). If this issue is the divisive and emotional issue that she claims it is, dont you think she should have had an eye on the event and its planning, execution and content the whole time? How good of a principal can she be if she can't detect an anti-war rally involving students, faculty members and community activists before pro-military speakers in her own auditorium?

Fine- The principal is responsible for what goes on in the school. It doesn't change anything, it's a distinction without a difference. What if there were a food fight in the cafeteria at the same time? Or a fight in the gym? Is the principal supposed to be in all places at once? Yes, the faculty actually planned this skit with their students (unlike a spontaneous fight or food fight), but the principal did have an eye on the event. She made sure it was balanced, with equal time to speakers, and showed up in the auditorium 15 minutes before it started. Should she have been there a half-hour before? the night before? the week before?

Come on, she walked in, saw something was wrong, and stopped it before the rest of the school entered the auditorium. She apologized to the offended officer, and not just in a letter, but in a 20 minute phone conversation. Has anyone heard his thoughts on that telephone call? was he satisfied? if not, there may be something to talk about, but she did what was right.

The skit was wrong, the faculty members who supervised it were wrong, but don't crucify the principal for actually stopping it.

This principal never asked about the content of the "warm-up" skit?

#71 - Exactly. They were apologizing once they were caught, but no pro-active initiative was taken at all by the school, administrators of faculty.

This would have gone unnoticed but for the grace of a conservative individual who caught the liberals trying to engage a captive audience point-blank with their sick tactics and sinister propoganda. God I love saying that.

#75

OOPPS, wrong quote

That's BS. It's like saying Ashcroft or G.W. are responsibile for knowing what was going on at Abu Ghraib.

PIMF

Isn't the fact that she stopped it and apologized a sign that we're making some progress? We finally got a liberal to admit that it's wrong to call our troops babykillers. That's a victory in and of itself. Once the LLL starts admitting that one thing is wrong they might have to start questioning other deeply held beliefs as well.

In the world of CYA, those letters are real good examples of a feel good double butt cover. They far exceed the usual sophistication of the a graduate of an Education Administration program. I would be surprized if the District Legal Council didn't give them a quick editorial once over.

I think the principal did the right thing with the two letters. In many cases, principals are running from meeting to meeting and dealing with administrative matters throughout the school. That she didn't know about the skit doesn't surprise me. As others have said here, lots of things happen in high schools without the principal's direct knowledge beforehand.

As for the faculty, they should be reprimanded for betraying the spirit of the event. I imagine they'd wear the reprimand as a badge of honor or get the NEA to bring charges, but what can you do?

As for the students involved, I think the most appropriate thing would be for them to spend an afternoon with Major Thomas and some others in the service to get the side of the story that they've been denied so far. After that meeting, they should be compelled to write an essay that either justifies their beliefs about the war and the military (not just the touchy-feely rants of DNC talking points) or explains how their views have changed as a result of hearing from the other side.

#75 Americain

THE PRINCIPAL KNEW.

Maybe. However, my point is, whether she knew or not, she responded ultimately like a sane adult human being rather than spouting off LLL talking points. It's not perfect, but it's an improvement, and it's a different response than we would have gotten 10 years ago. We are making progress and I see this to be confirmation of that, not a contradiction.

See? This is not an "echo chamber." Lizards weighing in on both sides of the issue.
What bugs me is the "I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone" form of non-apology.
How 'bout:
"I'm truly sorry for what I did and it will not happen again!"

JT - Last of the Moheebans (#57),

This is the kind of Principal (so far) that we should want in our schools.

Really?

You want a principal in charge who doesn't know what her faculty and students are doing on school property and with school resources?

Would you feel the same way if she had shut down the "KKK: Why the n*****s need to be strung up" rally 15 minutes before it started and made the students take off their white hoods and extinguish the burning crosses?

Or do you feel, as principal Susan Ders must, that the "To what extent are our troops murders" a legitimate topic for "balanced" debate?

OT

The Bush Miracle rolls on, with another Muslim country having a Democratic revolution:

Kyrgyzstan president flees, pro-democracy protesters seize country in peaceful revolution.

BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan (AP) -- Protesters stormed the presidential compound in Kyrgyzstan on Thursday, seizing the seat of state power after clashing with riot police during a large opposition rally. President Askar Akayev reportedly fled the country and resigned.

An opposition leader, Kurmanbek Bakiyev, was at the scene, and state TV appeared to be in the hands of the opposition - underscoring the impression that it was consolidating control. Another leading opponent of the Akayev regime, Felix Kulov, was freed from prison and praised the "revolution made by the people."

Kulov said Akayev had signed a resignation letter, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

It this case, the leader was a Soviet-style Stalinist dictator, though Kyrgyzstan is nominally a Muslim country (in truth, it's very secular). Though the LLL media is constantly trying to raise the spectre of Islamic fundamentalists coming to power there, there's actually very little support for them. It's a pure pro-Western, pro-Democracy revolution.

Chalk another one up for Bush. He's brought more freedom to more people in the last 3 years than the UN has brought in the last 58 years.

At no time did any of our students witness the production except for those individuals directly involved in the re-enactment.

Re-enactment? Re-enactment implies a degree of authenticity or firsthand experience. Of course, I'm sure these LLL trustifarians know much more about the evil Smirky McHali-chim-burton's Imperialist aggressor's military activities in Itaq more so than Major Thomas- they get their news from Pacifica, don't ya know!

# 76

The skit was wrong, the faculty members who supervised it were wrong, but don't crucify the principal for actually stopping it.

Apology not accepted! What happened to the ADULTS behind this? Inquiring minds want to know? What about sensitivity-to-American-Soldiers-that-defend-your- pathetic-miserable-worthless-latte-sipping-asses
classes for the clueless moonbat grubs the school is obviously producing?

No surprise to hear of trash like this from the Left Coast. With models such as Boxer, what else can you expect. And, what is this moonbat doing in Iraq? Stand by to hear her warped version of the state of affairs in this country that has been liberated by American blood upon her return.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

"Seven U.S. senators -- five Democrats and two Republicans -- visited Iraq on Tuesday to speak with Iraqi politicians and observe training for Iraqi security forces. Making the visit were: Robert Bennett, R-Utah; Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee; Harry Reid, D-Nevada; Richard Durbin, D-Illinois, Barbara Boxer, D-California; Patty Murray D-Washington; and Ken Salazar D-Colorado."

JT --

On the contrary, I believe that that is a false analogy.

There are a few more levels of responsibility between the President and/or SecDef and/or the Attorney General and the some E-1-6 and O-4/5s who were stationed at Abu Ghraib -- and a Principal at a West Seattle school. Or, is she THAT removed from adminstrating her individual teachers?

And, I recall that there were a number of individuals screaming for the head of Don Rumsfeld over Abu Ghraib.

I await the Times/P-I editorials calling for the principal's resignation ...

(crickets)

#85 Geepers

Would you feel the same way if she had shut down the "KKK: Why the n*****s need to be strung up" rally 15 minutes before it started and made the students take off their white hoods and extinguish the burning crosses?

Yes. I would. I'd feel different if she had let the "KKK: Why the n*****s need to be strung up" rally go on after quoting the first amendment.

Moreover, several grown adults were standing on stage in bright orange jump-suits, with black bags on and off their heads, some bound and tied, and some banging symbols and gongs in a crude depiction of what I believe were their efforts to depict victims of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode.

i didnt read this.

how the hell did all these people get on the stage.
no one knew?
bs

#83 not neo just conservative

I agree with your point that the response was not the usual we would expect.

#71 Respectfully

Principals who can't improve their schools if they are violent, poor performing and defective are fired. Food fights and fights are not coordinated, planned and pre-ordained events like an assembly and a "warn-up" to that assembly. (A warm up act for a panel soldiers returning from Iraq? Isn't that interesting enough for students? Do these kids spend any time in classat all during assembly day?) -end hyperbole-

Im not suggesting that she had a hand in doing all of this, but she certainly showed negligence in checking on what was going to be performed in the skit. The "suprise" is the suspicious aspect of this case.

Point is that this could have been prevented, but it wasn't.

I await the Times/P-I editorials calling for the principal's resignation ...

(crickets)

be a snowy day in hell.

CRAP!

Look at all the self serving phraseology she puts in there --- to hedge her apology:

and apologized to him for the reception he receivd when he arrived at the theater about fifteen minutes before the assembly was to start.

(implies he shouldn't have been there early, because the "warm up" was not supposed to be seen...)

the complex and timely issue of the war in Iraq. This topic is both emotional and controversial, as individuals have varied views and perspectives on this issue.

(translation: there are people here against this "blood for oil" war that Bush got us into)

the complex and timely issue of the war in Iraq.

(complex? Only if you want it to be -- like say, if you're Anti-War)

I firmly believe that schools should be open environments for appropriate and respectful dialogue regarding important topics and issues. Certainly, the war in Iraq is such an issue. However, the dramatization of the events was in direct conflict with the intent of the assembly and the policies set forth by the district policies.

(a little flip-floppy -- did this principal study under John Kerry's speechwriter? Lots of words, not a lot of content, while still justifying the inappropriate conduct)

I am continuing to work with those students and their advisors in understanding this sensitive issue.

Bullshit.

Some of our military panelists were deeply offended by this dramatic production and felt unfairly targeted because of their service to our country.

(translation: "the only ones upset were military". Had I been there, I'd have been upset, too.)

While we cannot shy away from these tough issues,

(Think they'll act out the devastation of 9/11 at their next "warm-up" skit? That's a tough issue, too.)

I call bullshit on her self-serving "apology". It's a steaming pile.

#83

why are you "not just neo conservative," by the way?

I was just wondering, if this had been a forum for the discussion of 'civil rights' and the students and collaberating adults had put on various 'presentations' of the white supremists' view of black people both in the past and present, do you think the MSM would have ignored the story? Do you think the principal would have been unaware of what was going on? Do you think the attempt at a apology/explanation that they have tried to pass off in this case would have appeased the members of the insulted group? Do you think this principal would still have a job? Or the 'educators' involved? What do you think the punishment would be for the students involved? I am not saying that I would under any circumstances condone such a display. I would find it equally abhorrent. I'm just pointing out that in todays warped enviroment certain insulting, biased and debased 'points of view' seem to get a free pass from the 'Lords of Political Correctness' and the self-annointed elite of our various educational institiutions.

I wonder who THE "others from the community" were, how and who invited them, (the principle didn't know about these "others" ?) and so on. The "others" are what I would be most interested knowing about...

Who invited "others from the community", students or faculty, did they prepare for this offsite or was it prepared and planned at the school? The principal knew of this, and there needs to be consequences beyond having to write a letter.

Her Bio: See she's not a native :)

West Seattle High School

Susan Dersé brings 34 years of experience in education to her new role as principal at West Seattle High School. Currently principal at Garfield High School, Dersé has worked as a secondary school principal in urban school districts in California, Alaska and Washington for more than 20 years. She also spent time as a secondary French and Spanish teacher in Wisconsin. From Wisconsin she moved to California, where she spent seven years as a Spanish bilingual and English-as-a-Second-Language (ESL) teacher before she began her career as a secondary school principal. Dersé, who was born and raised in Brazil, is multi-cultural and speaks Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Italian.

#11 The majority of people in WA did not vote for Christine Fraudoire (D). It took THREE re-counts before the Dem's got enough votes to win the election.

The Sound Politics web site (same site that posted the letter from Major Thomas) is leading the charge to get her kicked out of office. Sound Politics blog is doing the job that the MSM should be doing. The PI and Times are a joke. If she is kicked out of office, Sound Politics will be the reason.

It's like a soap opera. You really should check-out some of the stuff the Shark (site owner) has dug-up the Dem's thought they could get away with.

The "others"

usually we are the fabled others (Jews) LOL

#96

It'll happen -- right after Dave Horsey, Ron Sims and Joel Connelly come out of the closet as being hard-right social-issue conservatives.

heheheheheheheheh

#78 - no worries, I knew which quote you were referring to. Would you rather have me compare it to a parent over their child. you are telling me that a parent should know each and every thing his/her child is planning before they do it? You never tried to sneak something by your parents, whether or not you thought it was right or wrong? People do things, they get caught and they get punished. I'm not saying there is no possibility the principal is covering her ass, I'm saying that there is nothing to show that she was or that she acted inappropriately and I refuse to condemn her based on her response.

#85 Geepers-

yes, I do feel the same way. Although I think your hypothetical is a stretch because I don't believe that racist teachers would go unnoticed by the prinicpal or the district in a way that would allow that to happen. I assume such an assembly would be on MLK day, rather than an Iraq assembly, but that's irrelevant.

As for school resources, other than the cardboard cutouts and the paint, conceivable taken from an art closet, there is nothing to say that school funds were used for this. I know a lot of teachers in public schools, and their budgets are small and they spend lots of their own money on art supplies and the like. I'm not saying this is true in Seattle, just that it is true in NY.

Nore to the point - you can have a balanced debate on the war with out having the anti-war side based solely on "To what extent are our troops murders". Where are you getting that from? To paint her view of balanced in such a way is patently unfair.

I'm going to lunch now, but will be back in an hour or so, not that anyone's mind is going to change on this.

OT...I know Churchill is so 'February', but VDH is a day early and he nails Ward, and leftist admins, pretty good.

Churchill has spoken of the firsthand trauma of battle service as a combat veteran, both as a paratrooper and as a sniper — among the most hazardous of corps in the United States military. Once again, there is no such evidence that he served in any capacity other than what his official duties in a motor pool and as a projectionist entailed.

#95 American Infidel

The school did what it wanted to do..

The Leftists did what they wanted to do...

The indoctrinated students did what they were indoctrinated to do...

Did they? I thought the skit was cancelled. As for "droning on and on, etc.", I, and a few others here, are trying to pull back the rhetoric a little. I've made no statements about the source of the letter or the motivation for the apology or whether she knew about this beforehand. I don't know and neither do you.

The only point I've made here is that this is not what would be typically expected from a LLL, moonbat, DU, Kos, leftist pinko commie, etc.

I'm not going to get worked into a lather over a literate apology even if it was a boilerplate form letter and she didn't mean it. Ultimately, for whatever reason, she did the right thing.

Because some little moonbat Principal got caught and HAD to do the bare minimum some are saying this is a sign of change? Fuck that!

I want these insane bastards defeated, their faces rubbed in the muck, pulled up, cleaned off, then their faces rubbed in the muck again. They are responsible for most of the tyranny now in the earth. When Stalin arose...they did nothing. When Hitler arose they did nothing, when Islamofacist arise they do nothing. Worse than that they oppose and demean those that would do something. They are evil children. I can forgive a dictator, a Saddam far easier than I can these spoiled-rotten moonbats that grew up with all the comfort and freedom that others died for, then they turn around and deny that freedom to others? Fuck em...all of them.

Like a friend of mine says, 'I pray to God He gives me the power of resurrection, so I can kill these people...resurrect them and kill them again. Sorry for the rant, but this Terry S. thing and all these Islamofacists have got on my last nerve!

When are we going to get mad about something? I mean really mad? And start fighting these shits in every arena, give them no rest, utterly annhilate this secular humanistic philosophy from the face of the earth.

How big is this High School? If fairly large, this is the kind of program the Vice Principal would be responsible for overseeing. In this event, it would be easy to understand the Principal not knowing about the pre-program skits.

Upon learning about the skits, Ms. Ders shut them down. Further, we have no idea of the internal staff ramifications she may implement, like firing her (probably non union Vice Principal) down the road.

Ok, she she didn't fall on her sword in her letters, but overall she did the right thing, and this comes from a Vet who is outraged at the skits and the initial treatment of Major Thomas.

#99 aRedPhishHead

why are you "not just neo conservative," by the way?

I don't understand the question.

Thanks BBZ on last night's thread for linking me to the LGF Watch "Iron Fist" thread. I hope people who go to the NorCal meet-up will report whether he is actually a wheel-chair bound teenager with a computer donated from the "Make a Wish" foundation, or a convicted felon who has killed already, and goes over the edge in the Bay Area and actually kills a few innocent moonbats, whose blood will be on the slender fingers of Charles "Icarus" Johnson.

BTW, Brownlow reminds me of someone who was banned long before Ed Mahmoud started posting at LGF.

To understand LGF you have to understand the success of the jewish nationalist diversification strategy out of the American left into the American right by "neo-conservative" Zionists whose goal is continued domination of US foreign policy.

These Zionist jews are the core constituency of LGF and are heavily overrepresented there relative to to their percentage in the population. Gentiles are allowed to chime in only if they support the jewish Zionist party line. Criticize jews or Israel, and it mattereth not whether the criticism is justified or well-substantiated, You will henceforth be labeled a "troll".

Persit in it and you will be banned.

There is no debate on LGF. Just hyper-nationalist jews and their supporters who silence any Americans who questions whether the US should prioritize support for a racist and arrogant Israeli state over all other foriegn policy considerations.

Some of the jews on this site openly advocate nuclear attacks on Europe if their Nazi-like aparteid state is seriously threatened.

They are unbalanced and hateful.
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#103 Enik

Dersé, who was born and raised in Brazil, is multi-cultural and speaks Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Italian.

I knew there had to be a french aspect to this story. d;^)

I thought that the reason that there were principles was so that this sort of thing didn't happen in the first place. Does Seattle now need a "Super Principle" on site to oversee the activities of the regular principle? Where does the buck stop? This is just more of the same from the "seditious left" school systems in this country. And school administrators wonder why there is currently an explosive growth in home schooling. Heh.

OT

Charles

I think you and Rayra have a fan.

This "Rayra" character is a fanatic lackey of hate-site profiteer Charles Johnson, a failed musician who has found money in Muslim and Arab bashing on his vile "littlegreenfootballs" website, widely accepted to be one of the most nauseating sites on the web. Rayra and the other 'Lizards' as they call themselves are fools; they are helping Johnson get rich, although they don't know it. Johnson gets well paid by 'anonymous' donors (Bush and Zionist cuttouts) from the $80 million PR slush fund of the far-right extremists who have hijacked the government.

Pike

114 Americain

That sounded like a description of Teraaayza Heinz (no longer Kerry)...

OT

Bush decries border project

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

#107- you missed the point again, sir.

The fact that the principal (or nobody, for that matter) asked, inquired, probed or cared what the content of this "re-enactment" was is the mark of the beat. It is outright negligence. Not criminal negligence, but negligence all the same.

BTW
Her bio, as credentialed as it is, shows strong leanings towards foreign language education, teaching English as a SECOND language and an otherwise non-specific "multicultural" background. Well, we know who (by their own declaration) are the party of the "multiculturalists..."

#117 loppyd

LOL!

Dersé, who was born and raised in Brazil, is multi-cultural and speaks Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Italian.

Arrrgghhh!

#26 We are not all like that in the NW and the times are changing... From Strategic Vision poll:

-The poll found that a 56% of respondents believe Republican Dino Rossi was the actual winner of November's election; 36% believe Democrat Christine Gregoire was the winner
-If however there was a revote, 52% said they would vote for Rossi; 41% said they would vote for Gregoire; and 7% were undecided.
-Christine Gregoire was viewed favorably by 39%; unfavorably by 57%; with 4% undecided.
-Dino Rossi was viewed favorably by 55%

This stolen election is going to bite the Dem's in the arse in future elections...

his vile "littlegreenfootballs" website, widely accepted to be one of the most nauseating sites on the web.

More nauseating than, say, jihad unspun? Than islamonline? VNN? Holywar.org?

Fuck you, pike. Pike you, fuck.

Live_Free_Or_Die~! (#102),

I wonder who THE "others from the community" were, how and who invited them,

No doubt.

It's been 25 years since I graduated High School, but even back then anyone who wasn't a student had to sign-in at the principals office.

I guess Principal Susan Ders doesn't give a goodgoddamn who's roaming around her school.

Or what they're doing there. Or why.

Maybe we should forward her lack of concern to the NAMBL folks?

Jehu

You stated:

"Like a friend of mine says, 'I pray to God He gives me the power of resurrection, so I can kill these people...resurrect them and kill them again. Sorry for the rant, but this Terry S. thing and all these Islamofacists have got on my last nerve!"

I feel your pain brother/sister or whatever! My faith teaches that we are to love and forgive. I humbly confess that I no longer can. I've watched this shit all my life, and am at the point of almost total frustration/defeat some days thinking there is no hope; than to feeling rather elated, thinking we may be finally starting to see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.

The moonbats et al have had their day. Take no prisoners!
(btw..where is your training camp being set up...I'll sign on!)

Re: article cited in comment#116, and for all others who would dispel "Pike's" bullshit...

Playing with Stanley Clarke and other jazz LEGENDS is not failed by any stretch of the imagination. What a stupid moonbat.

Charles here. First, let me say that Iron Fist is a valuable member of the LGF community. He also has one of the cutest tushes I've come across. And I'm not bull-shitt'in about that. Gotta run. V the K is spread out on my sofa, au natural, on his belly. I'm gonna give him a wake-up he won't soon forget.
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Now, I'm not an expert on the whole gay thing, but wouldn't that make Charles a "POWER TOP"?

Ergo, I conclude this is a clever forgery!

you expect people with no sense of humor to know music?
bah.

#111 cat dancing

I don't know. But, I do know that with all of the s_it happening at the Seattle School District over the last couple of years, additional visible controversy is the last thing that the Board wants. Abyssmal graduation rates among ethnic minorities, poor performance on tests, District finances, flight of middle-class families out of the District boundaries for suburban schools (Kent, LW, Issaquah, etc.)..

Seeing the way that Seattle-area government works (from the inside -- and, as an out-of-the-closet conservative, it's PAINFUL to watch/listen to) as I do, it has all of the earmarks of a SERIOUS top-down damage control/CYA.

Gordon is from Seattle, isn't he?

Truth Junkie -- "Unless someone can show that I missed something (Which I am ALWAYS open to), I think Lizardoids should be thankful that the Principal acted in an appropriate and honorable way here. There seem to be so few examples of it that we should encourage the good ones!"

I believe you make some valid points. The principal has acted rationally here, at least initially. Her letter to home though is sorely deficient and others here have explained why. She offers no apology, but instead, is clear that the misunderstanding is occasioned by the people that "felt" offended. In other words, the stage play was not insulting it it's too bad that you "felt" that way about it.

As an adult, if I show up at our high school and enter it without proper procedures, which includes checking into the main administrative office (where the Principal is located), I can expect to be taken away in handcuffs. She acknowledges that her own teaching staff violated School regulations and that unspecified adults were on the premises without her knowledge, and, perhaps without her permission -- a serious security flaw.

There is no indication from the principal, and less indication from the board, that they believe that any of this requires investigation or disciplinary action.

In short, the teachers and other adults unknown, are not going to be taken to task or held accountable. If the NRA brought "Eddie the Eagle" into the school in this fashion do you think the moonbat Admin, Board and Teachers would be so dismissive? I don't. It's liberal bias and propaganda at work and all at taxpayer expense.

131 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I thought He Who Could Be Anything But Is Nothing At All was from Portland.

yeahyeahyeah that's fine, lady, you're still full of $hit. where are the testicles of the "adults" who suprvised, allowed, and paricipated in this travesty hanging?

Rayra and the other 'Lizards' as they call themselves are fools; they are helping Johnson get rich, although they don't know it.

...although they don't know it.

{sigh}

I posted last week about 'Charles Johnson' coming in at #167 on the most-recent Forbes List of World Billionaires. What do they want?

132 Studsup
Strong second! ( I was just going to post the same thing)

"I . . . want to remind all that our school as well as others in Seattle honor and celebrate our veterans every year and in many ways. "

Here's a challenge for Principal Ders. Name even one of those many ways your school celebrates veterans every year. Saying that the school still gives Memorial Day as a holiday does not count. And, by the way, notice how she piggybacks on the efforts of "others in Seattle" who celebrate veterans? What does that have to do with any of this?

I think it means that she believes it is the school's obligation to insult veterans in order to balance the work of the American Legion and the VFW.

jehu ...

ummm, YOU are a "conservative jihadist"

not a good thing to be, pal. I hope, for you sake, you've just been up late or your dog died or something and that you aren't always like that.

Johnson gets well paid by 'anonymous' donors (Bush and Zionist cuttouts) from the $80 million PR slush fund of the far-right extremists who have hijacked the government.

First the Zionest Jews control the banks, then Hollywood, now they run the government and LGF.

But does it really take $80M to run LGF? I think someone needs an internal audit department.

Grim Reaper

I can take solace in the fact that Christ comes two times to this earth. The first time to suffer die for all humanity. The second time as THE conquring king of all the earth. First time He came they were looking for the King, and didn't get it.

This second time He comes they will be looking for a suffering moron, thinking they can still slap His face and pull His beard and mock Him, and will not notice the sword He is weilding as it cuts off their heads.

How many will fall under his judgements as they pathetically squeak about how "a good Christian shouldn't judge anybody!"

Not realizing that God is just and righteouss and you do not ignore Him or His wishes forever...the day of grace is coming to an end.

What distresses me about this incident, as well as the letter-writing fiasco here in Brooklyn, is this acceptance of anti-American, leftist propaganda as a legitimate point of view. I find it offensive that an American school would equate this type of propaganda and present it equally in a forum on the war. Kids are kids. They have little concept of what the real world is like. School is a place for education, not indoctrination.

#99 aRedPhishHead

To understand LGF you have to understand the success of the jewish nationalist diversification strategy out of the American left into the American right by "neo-conservative" Zionists whose goal is continued domination of US foreign policy.

(some LGFwatch garbage)

That's why I'm "not neo". I don't consider myself to be a "new" conservative, and I particularly don't like the neocon label as it is used by the the left and the MSM. I consider myself to be "conservative". That's enough of a label for me.

#108 GW
OT...I know Churchill is so 'February', but VDH is a day early and he nails Ward, and leftist admins, pretty good.

Churchill has spoken of the firsthand trauma of battle service as a combat veteran, both as a paratrooper and as a sniper — among the most hazardous of corps in the United States military. Once again, there is no such evidence that he served in any capacity other than what his official duties in a motor pool and as a projectionist entailed.

What they were unaware of was the fact that he actually said/wrote that he was a para-trooper (like paramilitary) and always sniping/grousing about the directives passed down by senior enlisteds above him.

#139 Secular Conservative

jehu ...

ummm, YOU are a "conservative jihadist"

not a good thing to be, pal. I hope, for you sake, you've just been up late or your dog died or something and that you aren't always like that.

I guess I'm in a bad mood today so kiss my ass, once you get the fencepost you are sitting on out of yours.

#112

Apart from getting your name wrong, just wondering why you don't sound conservative...(whats wrong with being NEOconservative?)

for example- you say that the principal "did the right thing," but also admit that she is just shilling everyone with a "boilerplate" apology. So what are you saying? That we should accept the apology prima facia with no consideration of the political leanings of her city, state, her background AND the bullshit-jargon in her "boilerplate" response?

I would think that conservatives would be a little more scrupulous in a situation that WREAKS of moonbat insincerity.

That's what I am asking/implying/imparting with my misguded question

141 Jehu

I consider myself a pretty good Christian, and believe me, I believe in a final judgement, when the good will be separated from the evil like wheat from chaff, but you sound almost Muslim there.

#130 Flying Tigress
I agree with everything you said, and most of us here recognize the abysmal condition of schools across America.

My point, though, is about the probable chain of responsibility in a large school, and why it could have developed the way it did. My ex-wife ::spit:: was a vice principal in a large school, so I have a little insight on who does what. My hunch is that Principal is gonna make some heads roll for embarrassing her.

Personally, I don't care what liberals call me. Ive been called much worse that "neo-conservative."

#139 Secular Conservative

jehu ...

ummm, YOU are a "conservative jihadist"

not a good thing to be, pal. I hope, for you sake, you've just been up late or your dog died or something and that you aren't always like that.

I guess I'm in a bad mood today so kiss my ass, once you get the fencepost you are sitting on out of yours.

#135 .45ACP

where are the testicles of the "adults" who suprvised, allowed, and paricipated in this travesty hanging?

At "The Wild Rose", "The Cuff" and the "Brass Rail" bars on Capitol Hill on Friday and Saturday nights?

Ya know, there are a shit load of blogs devoted to or open to Terri Schiavo discussions. LGF is not one of them. Why do some insist on bringing it here?

#148

like a typical lib, she will pass the buck...

#28 Neo

Grrr, Woof. Julius Ceasar, Act III, Scene I

From your lowly dog and leg biter,

Havoc

Charming, really.

I assure you I am no where near a fence post. I have very clear views. Kill the Islamofacist, kill the dictators and their gun weilding spawn. But we don't kill the sympathizers, however wrong they are.

jahu, you would have us physically assault Americans for their beliefs, that is NOT a conservative agenda. Be a thinking conservative not just a warrior who picked a side he doesn't even understand.

Fifth Column Rally in Californistan

Yeah. That's what's called "posting on the wrong thread".

Apologies.

Ed Mahmound

141 Jehu

I consider myself a pretty good Christian, and believe me, I believe in a final judgement, when the good will be separated from the evil like wheat from chaff, but you sound almost Muslim there.

That you consider yourself a "pretty good Christian," is your first problem. That you would equate me with a Moslem is your second. That you would take it upon yourself to judge my Christianity is your third. You have no idea what I am talking about or the mode or method I advocate and by which judgement comes.

BTW, Just looking at that picture, while it could be a well designed bra, I suspect 7W has had surgery.

BTW, I have seen breast enhancement surgery done on TV, and it looks almost violent the way they shove the implants in. The post-operative pain must be pretty bad, and I find the look unattractive.

BTW, my wife was a "C" cup when we married. She became a "D" cup when she got pregnant (those 4 months between conception and when the stomach starts to "show", was wonderful for me. Excpet my wife didn't let me really go to town, as they were apparently rather tender). But she is pre-pregnancy weight, but still has the "D" cups.

My advice, skip the implants, have a baby.

#119 - ok it was a quick lunch-

I did not miss the point. Read the letters again. The Principal said that a biased warm up skit was wrong. She did not know the skit was happening and stopped it when she "was made aware of a dramatic production in the theater."

I don't believe the principal is incompetent for not knowing that a skit/production that was not a planned part of the assembly was going on. I do believe that she acted appropriately when she found out. I am interested in knowing what "I am continuing to work with those students and their advisors in understanding this sensitive issue" will consist of.

If you think the principal should have known about this beforehand, then fine, we disagree. And if you can show me that she knew, then fine, I'm wrong. But based on what we have before us, it is wrong to condemn the principal. If someone involved wants to step forward and assert that the principal knew what was going on, I'll revisit my opinions.

#146 aRedPhishHead

I am conservative, very much so. I am not, however, a Koolaid drinker. I disagree with some of the hysteria on this thread. As a matter of fact, read over my comments on this thread. Again, all I have said, repeatedly, is THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT IS CONSIDERED PAR FOR THE LEFT. That's it. Don't read into my statements more than what I have said.

I am frankly surprised that you've decided that I don't sound conservative from my comments on this thread (or any other). Why? Because I dare to disagree with you? Please.

#128 ed mahmoud

nice to see more homophobia from the "tolerant" left.

Thom

Same people who put living life on hold and watched O.J. five hours a day.

It's a tragic story, full of heartbreak and many villians.

For those who need "All T.S., All the time", go to the "Chatterbox Cafe" Mayberry RFD.

#111

Answer:

West Seattle High

The irony is that, IIRC, that one of the most visible conservatives in the Puget Sound region is a WSHS graduate.

158 Jehu

I never said I was a perfect Christian.

Oh well, don't cover your light with a bushel basket, put it on a stand where it will shine for all to see.

I guess I'm in a bad mood today so kiss my ass, once you get the fencepost you are sitting on out of yours.

#159 Ed

Way Way too much information.
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Hey, is Otto's Bar B Q still in Business ?

#153 aRedPishHead

like a typical lib, she will pass the buck...

Dumping a subordinate for embarrassing you is universal, not practiced just by libs.

secularconservative

jahu, you would have us physically assault Americans for their beliefs, that is NOT a conservative agenda. Be a thinking conservative not just a warrior who picked a side he doesn't even understand.

I was metaphorically speaking, which seems to be beyond you. I speak in strong language because their are so many that speak in a mealy-mouthed manner.

Recognize the enemy and deal with them. The sympathiazers empower the terrorists, therfor they are part of the problem, as gasoline is to the fire.

You want to pretend this is not a battle for life and death of Western Civiliazation and ultimately of all humanity, I am under no such delusion. People like you are essentially a waste of time. You want to
PLAY
battle, not really get in it and get bloody like you will need to.

The left is way ahead of us, they know us to be, and treat us like the ultimate enemy, they are not playing...they get it, way before us.

I haven't heard of an Otto's BBQ.

Same principal, different high school?

This topic is both emotional and controversial, as individuals have varied views and perspectives on this issue.

Yeah. Nice.

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Anyhoo, speaking of emotion, Mahler's Second Symphony (Resurrection) is on PBS tonight (10 Eastern).

159 Ed

Let the 7W bashing commence! Definitely fake...but are they accurate?

Havoc

#159 Ed

Way Way too much information.

You're right. But I'm a very fortunate man.

VDH on Chutch at NRO

I think that Ms. Ders took appropriate actions and wrote two fine letters. The hostility towards her by many of the posters here seems very much of the knee-jerk variety.

#173 Ed

I believe you.

I saw a girl on train once, a cross between Ava Gardner, & Clara Schumann.

... our son graduates college in 6 weeks.

Rayra and the other 'Lizards' as they call themselves are fools; they are helping Johnson get rich, although they don't know it.

Judging by the paint job visible in the "knob" and "hinge" open thread photos, I'd guess that "rich" does not describe Charles' living quarters.

Hey Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades (Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern -schplenden -schlitter -crasscrenbon -fried -digger -dangle -dungle -burstein -von -knacker -thrasher -apple -banger -horowitz -ticolensic -grander -knotty -spelltinkle -grandlich -grumblemeyer -spelterwasser -kürstlich -himbleeisen -bahnwagen -gutenabend -bitte -eine -nürnburger -bratwustle -gerspurten -mit -zweimache -luber -hundsfut -gumberaber -shönendanker -kalbsfleisch -mittler -raucher von Hautkopft of Ulm)

What's the forecast for Detroit April 4th? I've got bleacher seats and am wondering if I'm going to freeze my ass off at the Tigers season opener...

OT: Here is a great little summation of the evils of cultural relativism:

In his excellent book, The Killing of History (San Francisco: Encounter Books, 2000)Keith Windschuttle says, among many other intelligent things, as follows:

"The late Ernest Gellner pointed out the basic logical flaws in cultural relativism. In his book Postmodernism, Reason and Religion, Gellner showed that relativists are saddled with two unresolvable dilemmas. They endorse as legitimate other cultures that do not return the compliment. Some other cultures, of which one of the best known is Islam, will have no truck with relativism of any kind. The devout are totally confident of the universalism of their own beliefs which derive from the dictates of God, an absolute authority who is external to the world and its cultures. They regard a position such as postmodern cultural relativism as profoundly mistaken and, moreover, debasing. Relativism devalues their faith because it reduces it to merely one of many equally valid systems of meaning. So, entailed within cultural relativism is, first, an endorsement of absolutisms that deny it, and, second, a demeaning attitude to cultures it claims to respect." (p. 301-2)

Some of our military panelists were deeply offended by this dramatic production and felt unfairly targeted because of their service to our country.

Hmmm, seems to be a something missing...

Some of our military panelists were deeply offended by this dramatic production and felt, unfairly, targeted because of their service to our country.

I want to "PLAY" battle? I was a Marine, what's you pedigree there Captain hard-core?

Wars are won on many fields, and remember, if you win you have to govern. How would you govern those that you've called Satan spawn and killers? You're right the left is waaay ahead of you on that count. Me? I go in another direction.

You can't govern if you called every sympathizer of the enemy an enemy, would you have had us annihilate Germany after WWII or just punish the truly evil, not the misguided. Once you've told the misguided that they are amongst the evil and you will not accept them, then they have nothing left to do but fight harder and better for you enemy.

Better instead to strike hard and painfully and without mercy, at those who need to be struck down, but also to extend the olive branch to the rest.

Bush believes this, he has not demolished Palestine, or Iraq or the misguided amongst them. He has destroyed the head of the snake, but the rest can, and will, be turned. Unless we marginalize them all!

#170 redstateredneck

Hmmm... I wonder. Got a transfer from the frying pan -- into another?

#175 Jheka

Sincere or "Crowd Control" ? See #18. Only Major Thomas is the best judge of that, for sure. Leave it at that.

On behalf of our school, I personally called Major Thomas and apologized. We spoke for around 20 minutes. He asked for a copy of the letter I sent home with our students about the incident, and I have sent that letter to him.

"And that's all I have to say about that" -- Forrest Gump

If the good Major had not arrived early to witness this West Seattle version of Red Chinese Ballet (apologies to the Not for Prime Time Players on SNL), there would not have been an apology. This farce would have been staged in front of the students and "community" attendees (i.e., those without a job who can actually bring their community service "outfits" with them (the orange jumpsuits) and use them outside of the trash pickup and grafitti removal duties they normally have.

I know public education pretty well. CYA is the watchword. She did what she needed to do, and the faculty unions are so dominant that virtually no action can be taken against the Marxist teachers who run what are essentially re-education centers.

I do however agree that her letter reeked of the usual ...I am sorry that some were offended... rather than apologizing for the actions of this vile group of America haters and the Stalin youth they are trying to indoctrinate.

Also, have a look at the Blue nature of West Seattle. Fruitcakes don't fall too far from the tree. Here's to home schooling.

#132 Studsup
#69 Jehu

I agree with you. This was WRONG and should be prosecuted. As a former Professional Child Care worker and Substitute Teacher, I take very seriously threats to our childrens' safety.

I admit I missed something, which is what LGF is for.
And thanks to all who helped me see the hypocrisy I missed.

Let me be clear on my current, rethought position:

The response and 'apology' were NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

I am saying that they were better than normal, that's all.

Moonbats is Moonbats.

jehu-

"You want to pretend this is not a battle for life and death of Western Civilization and ultimately of all humanity"

You're right, it is. And we should fight, relentlessly. But Western Civilization was born out of the enlightenment, when reason, NOT faith, was strictly adhered to by the intellectuals (who are the ultimate movers of a culture).

Out of curiosity, if Christianity and faith are the root of liberty, why then were the Dark Ages, when Chrisitianity was taken at its word and ruled supreme, not an era of bliss, comfort, progress and happiness? Or do you take religion at it's word and believe that happiness on this earth is subordinate to the afterlife?

p.s. Your fence-sitting comment to Secular Conservative shows your acceptance of a false alternative. You believe you must by religious to be moral and to advocate liberty. You also assume to be secular is to be a moral relativist Marxist.

There is an alternative: I am an atheist who advocates laissez faire capitalism and the absolute right of the individual to his own life. Unlike you, however, the justification of my beliefs can be objectively demonstrated by reference to the facts of reality instead to some alleged supernatural realm.

And the earlier commenter was correct, replace your statement #141 with Islamic nomenclature and you sound like a jihadist.

#182 TheSecularConservative

I got your back, Devil Dog

Celer, Silens, Mortalis
3rd Recon 1986-1991

#184 Flying Tigress

"I did send a letter home to all of my families and to all of my students basically saying in light of Dr. King, we need to take particular attention to some few misguided students who act counter to our school ethics," said Susan Derse, Garfield High School principal.

Bus she wrote a letter to the parents and made it all right.

#182 TheSecularConservative

Well put soldier.

Thank you for your service.

Semper Fi !

#186 dhimmishelter

Hey... it's not QUITE as 'blue' as, well, Evergreen State Univ., Fremont or Capitol Hill...

... but then again... compared to Lakewood, Roy, McKenna or Yelm...

heheheheheh

#76 JT - Last of the Moheebans and
#83 not neo just conservative

I agree with both of you. What I'd REALLY like to know is what Major Thomas' reaction was to the phone call and the letter.

#172 FAKE!? Blasphemer...

Celer, Silens, Mortalis

Haven't seen that in a while. Nice to see the Marines know what we're fighting for!

#182 TheSecularConservative

...I was a Marine...

That's "I AM a Marine", right?.

FEC Rules for Bloggers. Its bad folks.

#190

I don't recall -- was it Garfield High where some counselors were caught "amending" (ahem) students' transcripts to improve GPAs and chances for admission to college?

lol
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Way Way OT

A while back I mentioned a California court ruling that stated that bloggers are not journalists in the Apple R&D leak case and do not have the priviledges of the shield law that journalists have. I failed to state the significance of this ruling.

When you read an article in the NYTimes or whatnot, the paper will cite an 'expert' or a 'source close to the administration' or a 'party close to the investigation' or a 'witness who wishes to not be identified' or some other concealed source. The paper's can thus make arguments based on these 'sources' without needing to reveal them. I am sure many LGF'ers have a lot of doubts about the validity of these unidentified sources, and that a paper may use a fictitious 'critic who wishes to remain unidentified' to mask the opinions of the paper itself. The so-called critic is puported to provide the opinion, but their may be no critic at all. Under the shield law loophole, the paper is protected from providing proof of the source.

Why don't bloggers be allowed to get protection under the same loophole?

I just wanted to throw this out there. I am so tired of these covert sources that, just always seem to side with the liberal agenda of our mainstream newspapers.

#195 TheSecularConservative

Damn Right. Reconnaissance by fire is one thing, shooting all your ammo at an empty bush is another.

I knew SOMEONE would call me on the "once, always" but it gets fuzzy when trying to explain to civilians that you're not active duty, but are always a marine without writing a whole paragraph on that alone.

But you're right, cat

Kill Kill Kill! (but with the proper targets, in mind ;-) )

faster pussycat
kill kill kill ?

#186, Dhimmishelter. Exactly. Theater is such a perfect way to perfect politically correct views. The students in that Seattle school are likely as close to PC perfection as the principle is to CYA perfection. The ferret with a nail in it's head in the drama teachers closet in the principals previous school does raise my curiosity about exactly whats going on around there and when the theatre department is going to do a "live reenactment of the Red Lake High School Native American Nazi drama".

#203 BabbaZee

kill kill kill ?

It's a Marine Thang...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Just one of many Marine exclamations babbaZee, hooRah and Semper Fi are too "known" you see, so the secret lingo has to include other greetings, and its too hard to include a grunt in a forum

just kidding, by the way, don't anybody flame me for being 'classist'

#207 TheSecularConservative
I know
I was "punning" on the name of the movie
see my linky

SecularConservative

U.S. Navy 1969 - 1973 One tour Vietnam.

Bush is a politician, I am not. My fight is in the spiritual arena. The forces we face right now are essentially spirtual (Fallen Angels...called principalities and powers in the Bible) Whole movements and ideologies are governed by these spirits and is why you cannot get to the minds of men that are enthrall to these spirits. That does not diminish the fact that people are responsible for the deception that they embrace.

That the left in this country and Europe are primarily responsible for most of the hell on earth of the last century is not in doubt. They did nothing while Marxism enslaved and murdered tens of millions in Russian, China, IndoChina. Once more they encouraged the slaughter.

General Giap wrote of the Vietnam Veterans agaisnt the war, that they are the single moral force that gave the NVA the hope to keep fighting, when they had even lost the 1968 TET offensive, which our media portrayed as a victory for the communists. We are driven out of Nam in defeat by the likes of Kerry and Fonda. Millions subsequently die under Pol Pot , and 100's of thousands die in re-education camps by the North Vienamese Communists.

I first hold the Principalities and Powers responsible...none will escape the fire of hell. Secondly I hold the Kerry's, and Fonda's resonsible for aiding and abetting the slaughter. They may repent...that is up to them. But we must have the spiritual authority to strip them of the hiding place beneath these spiritual beings.

That is why I hold this 'Principal' and the adults responsible, not the kids...but if the kids persist in their moonbatism then I do hold them responsible. This country has the power and resources to free the entire world if not divided by the f'ing moonbats.

Maybe I take it personal but my wife grew up in the Ukraine and saw the hell of this first hand. She has stories about life no American can comprehend. And we had the power and force to stop it all...Patton knew this and they stopped him.

#282 TheSecularConservative

I've also got your back if anyone calls you "soldier"

OT kinda--from Guysen Israel News (sorry, no link):

22:29 Imad Mustapha, the Syrian ambassador in the USA, evoked tonight (Wednesday) Israel's culpability in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime minister Rafic Hariri. He was talking at the Georgetown university in Washington. (Guysen.Israël.News)

Anyone know anything more about this?

Re my #193 We should also note, however, that in her letter to those who e-mailed her, she made note of "Our students were wrong to provide a BIASED [empahsis added] warm up skit..."
That phrase somehow didn't make it into the letters to the parents.
Hmmm.

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Arlo Guthrie
Alice's Restaurant

#209, jehu. You seem to be pretty close to the end of the mobydiving board. How's the water look? Or is the pool empty?

havent thought of that in years

While it was nice that she apologized, its only because they got caught. I have serious doubts that she didn't know what was going on --- if she didn't then she shouldn't be the principal.

There was time, effort and resouces, not to mention non-students, involved and I'd be very, very surprised if she had no knowledge that this was happening.

Jehu

If I may ask:
What religious denomination / creed do you belong to?

Well first off Jehu,

You are coming off the hyperbole a bit, and that I am happy to see. I also honor your service and consider you a brother-in-arms. Finally, I even agree with 98% of what you believe.

But if we are the vangaurd (no pun intended) of a more enlightened system, then we must be leaders, not just warriors. This is a battle of ideas first, and we must win people to our side. We do that through a combination of power and compassion. Compassion alone is liberalism. Power alone is facism.

OT:
and no, BTW, I don't think compassion means supporting wacko social programs for those who won't help themselves!

210 cat dancing

yeah, I let the civilians get away with that... but NOT calling us "part of the Navy"

the "Navy" and the Department of Navy are very different things!

OT, but it looks like some levity is needed here...

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#218 TheSecularConservative
Compassion alone is liberalism. Power alone is facism.

Chesed and gevurah in kabbalistic terms
you are correct

AI - great minds think alike! :)

#152 Thom - Couldn't have said it better myself.

#218 TheSecularConservative
Compassion alone is liberalism. Power alone is facism.

Very true. I hope that we are able to split the difference.

Boston Patriot

Out of curiosity, if Christianity and faith are the root of liberty, why then were the Dark Ages, when Chrisitianity was taken at its word and ruled supreme, not an era of bliss, comfort, progress and happiness? Or do you take religion at it's word and believe that happiness on this earth is subordinate to the afterlife?

Because as usual men abandonded spiritual truth, you abandon that and you have no foundation for scientific truth. All the first great scientist were strong, even fanatical believers (Newton).

p.s. Your fence-sitting comment to Secular Conservative shows your acceptance of a false alternative. You believe you must by religious to be moral and to advocate liberty. You also assume to be secular is to be a moral relativist Marxist.

Morality is a code from God. Without religion, as a secularist, you have situational ethics. Morality, by definition, does not change at the whims of man. Without a relationship with God, you will move your moral position, I just have to find the right pressure. When the Church was in its purity in the first and second centuries...men went to horrible deaths, rather than abandon that morality. Secularists will make sure OTHERS die the horrible death, rather than abandon their desire to do any damn thing they please.

There is an alternative: I am an atheist who advocates laissez faire capitalism and the absolute right of the individual to his own life. Unlike you, however, the justification of my beliefs can be objectively demonstrated by reference to the facts of reality instead to some alleged supernatural realm.

There is no such thing as the absolute right to your own life, it is a fantasy. No nation could long exist if it could not order men to war in defense of the nation. This same thinking has been transfered to the abortion debate, as if woman have an absolute right over their own bodies.

The reality is a balancing of rights between the state and the individual. If it goes to far to the state, then you have oppresion and tyranny, if it goes to far to the individual you have anarchy. Try as you might no secular humanist can, or will, devise a better system than the one by the founding fathers 53 of whom were believers, who let faith inform there reason to give us this country.

One in which secular humanists are its greatest threat, cause they seek both things at once. The absolute right of the state, AND the absolute right of the individual.

And the earlier commenter was correct, replace your statement #141 with Islamic nomenclature and you sound like a jihadist.

You may also kiss my ass.

The blurb for West Seattle High School's website on Google:

... West Seattle High School is known for its long-standing traditions, ... and drama are some of the highlights that West Seattle High School offers. ...

Yep, drama are some of the highlights, all right.

#197 Andy in A Hills -- "FEC Rules for Bloggers. Its bad folks. "

Charles,

This deserves it's own thread.

I think that one Commissioner that spoke in advance about this possibility was doing us a favor -- he knew this was coming. He took flak for it, but the ones to "tut tut" the whole thing were the Democrat operatives on the FEC. So, this is it. This is the partisan effort of the Democrats/MSM to consolidate their stranglehold over political speech in this nation.

Friends, the NRA is launching a campaign to repeal the McCain/Feingold "gag order", which is the root of this evil. Time to support that effort. Other organizations tried to fight it too, even, surprisingly, liberal ones. The NRA though is not giving up the fight.

This won't stop at Charles' Blog, although you know its a target. If they can get to Charles, they can get to every one who posts here and supports the blog or contributes to it. Our forefathers died to give us the First Amendment and men die to this day to preseve it. Let's not let the politicians in Washington and the bureaucrats steal it from us.

#145 jehu

I guess I'm in a bad mood today so kiss my ass, once you get the fencepost you are sitting on out of yours.

"and they'll know we are Christians by our love."

#227 jehu

In the absence of G-d, anything is possible
~ Dostoevskey

When authorizing the event, the principal applied district rules to ensure balance. Students and faculty involved in event decided to present a dramatic demonstration of their views without informing the principal since it wasn't part of the debate portion of the meeting.

That's how I read the whole thing. I'm a member of Toastmasters. When you're in a debate or speech competition, you're looking for the edge to sway your audience to your point of view. There are people who believe that the cost of the Iraq war has been too high, especially regarding civilian casualties. Many with these opinions live in Washington. I have no doubt that a large group of kids and adults there could have worked up this skit without informing the principal, either believing she was on their side or that they shouldn't tell her because the skit might be canceled.

I am also offended every time I hear someone characterize our military as targeting civilians. Eason Jordan is out of a job because he did it. However, I'm not so self-centered that I am not aware of the fact that there are millions of Americans who have that offensive view.

Be offended, but also be mature enough to know that wrong-headed people may be a majority or significant minority in that school district. The principal seems to be aware of the fact that the skit was wrong. She canceled it. She apologized. She made no excuses. I bet there isn't another skit that will ever be performed without her oversight and approval.

The hysterical and vitriolic comments on this thread are not indicative of the community I've been proud to be a member of. Stop making assumptions. Stop making accusations without factual basis. If you want more facts then demand them, but don't e-lynch the principal. Hyperbolic threats only make opponents obstinate and moderates opposed to your view. I even begin to wonder if that's not the purpose after all.

anti-sematic bobby fischer is going to iceland

#231 BabbaZee

Here's one from the original marxist.

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

- Karl Marx

Move the school for a few months to North Korea, and let them stage anti-Kim and anti-military plays there.

The kids, the teachers, and the parents.

Then they'll understand the value of what our military does.

#210 cat dancing - in the Army, at least, we'd say "I've got your '6'" instead of your back. And, as an ARMY veteran of Vietnam, you'd be in my way; a Marine doesn't deserve to be called soldier.
The bs I just wrote is semi-real; competion between Army and Marines when I was in the service was REAL (unless of course we were facing a common enemy, in which case all of us were
G.I.'s (government issue) and combined forces in kicking ass.

Another typical Marine/Army exchange is: at a public airport on the way "home", I'm standing at one urinal, a marine is standing at another. He finishes, goes to the sink and starts to wash his hands, I finish, and start to leave. He says "in the Marines they teach us to was our hands after we pee." My response was automatic "In the Army they teach us not to pee on our hands".

may he freeze the uncle com-sickle

OT on the refinery blast:

Don't count out sabotage/terrorism yet...

Pillari said someone who checked out of the refinery before the explosion still hadn't been in contact with family members.

(From CNN online)

Y'know, I never claimed to be an "Atheist". Just a secular Conservative. It means my conservatism, in regards to national politics is not based on a particular religious dogma. Remember religions are run by men, so unless you are that one luck John Smith who's getting the word directly -- go with your morality (relatvistic or otherwise)

226 American Infidel

Yes - I think I responded?!? LOL.

uncle CHOM-sickle that is
Bobby Fischer

#188 Boston Patriot

[But Western Civilization was born out of the enlightenment, when reason, NOT faith, was strictly adhered to by the intellectuals (who are the ultimate movers of a culture). ]

Not quite. Religion was *reformed* by enlightened people. And intelectualls are NOT the movers. The US for instance wasn't populated by intellectuals, but by mostly farmers and *religious* groups seeking freedom to exercise their respective religions.

Religion played a vital part in the aggregate of what Western Civ has become. I believe it is the mixture of religious and secular that makes the West what it is today. Reason is fine, it is objective. Religion is subjective. The balance works well. Either of the two by itself would tend towards abuse. In the case of reason and intellectuality, I cite Noam Chomsky as a prime example of reason gone amok. At the same time I can cite Jim Jones as a case of religion gone amok.

#216 JohnSteele

While it was nice that she apologized, its only because they got caught. I have serious doubts that she didn't know what was going on --- if she didn't then she shouldn't be the principal.

Well, at least it demonstrates that this Lib still has a sense of shame. That's something to be optimistic about.

As to whether or not she knew this was going on, I don't think we can know for sure, but I'd be pretty surprised if she did. It just doesn't make any sense.

If she did know about, why would she put a stop to it prior to the audience gathering? If she Ok'd it for a pre-debate event, and the Marine just got there early, then exactly who was the skit being performed for?

I think she was hoodwinked on this one. It could be possible that she approved of a skit with adult community volunteers, but she was misled as to what the content would be. But as soon as she realized what was going on, she put a stop to it.

Finally, I agree with many posters here that the apology letter leaves much to be desired, but that is how things are done in all areas of life, be it gov't, education, or business. Never admit to anything, or you're liable to get sued. Mea culpa's are for the confessional, not when you're addressing the public, and there could be potential legal ramifications.

That letter was no doubt vetted by the Superintendent and the school's administration lawyers. You can bet on that. So, I give the principal a bit of slack on that one.

secularconservative

Since you are a Marine you understand the idea of taking a beachhead. We can fix up the natives houses that we broke after we get the beach secured. Right now I'm losing patience, and I think we're losing the war...my opinion sure, but we don't got all day.

Some of these crazies gets a nuke?...well two big buildings destroyed just about paralized this nation. We used to think a nuclear exchange with Russia and dozens of cities gone...we could recover.

But 9/11 showed us a modern nation is fragile, especially the economy. Perhaps I am too gloomy, but if this nation goes under...the earth goes under. Ain't that many standing by us, and too many, inside and out rooting for our destruction.

#235 not neo just conservative

"That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard" Groucho Marx

realwest -- we always heard that urinal one the other way.

Ask the Iraqi civ's who kicks the right ass and does it authoritatively. Aint the Army

Kyrgyzstan government succumbs to the Babe Effect.

#246 realwest

I think Groucho had a better handle on the situation than Karl did.

#250 not neo just conservative
amen to that
groucho wa actually a great thinker
read his letters

#244 kayawanee - see my post at #212; You KNOW that letter to the parent was not only vetted by lawyers, but mostly written by them (or him or her)

RealWest

You misunderstand me. I have the Marine's back (yours too) as a fellow veteran, not as another Marine.
I'm Navy.

jehu,

It might happen, we might lose alot more than 3000 next time, and every one will be tragic. But such is the price of freedom. And we are NOT fragile, we will be strong. We have not yet even been tested. I would rather live, and let others live free and be at greater risk of attack. The very very worst that could happen would hurt, but not destroy us. We much be sure our level of "oppression", is limited to only what is required to survive, what is required so that any attack cannot destroy us. If we oppress a little more (y'know for Quality of Life), if we remove freedoms in the interest "Greater Good" or the "Good of the Country" we are communists.

rancher

I guess I'm in a bad mood today so kiss my ass, once you get the fencepost you are sitting on out of yours.

"and they'll know we are Christians by our love."

And if I had a nickle for every non-practicing Christian, atheist or those that keep f'ing me and act all hurt when I kick their un Christian ass I would be a millionair.

And for the offended (God created f'ing also)

251 American Infidel

OK, then I dreamt it.

This thread is getting too voluminous to search back.

7W accurately fake boobs, right? And something about a gazelle?

cat...

Guess my Dept of Navy comment wasn't so wise then huh? hahaha ;-)

When I discovered that they had done so, and that they had invited others from the community to participate in the activity, I called the activity to an immediate halt.

Somebody's head should roll. Here is a school where "community" adults are allowed to enter the school, interact directly with students, totally without the knowledge of the school administration.

Somebody should call for an investigation

Either the security or the principal needs to be fired for putting the children of that school at risk.

#256, jehu. Thats a pretty good approach, hows your hurdle?

#254 cat dancing

The only Navy personnel I ever worked with were Corpsmen and SeALs. Corpsmen are the salt of the earth. SeALs are, well, almost as big of Arrogant Pr**ks as us Jarheads.

Michelle Malkin has an update: "I just got off the phone with Maj. Terry Thomas, who was in attendance at the moonbat assembly at West Seattle High School. He'll be meeting with the Seattle School Board president today to discuss the controversy."
Linky

HEY! What's going on? WHo is Susan Ders fer cripes sake? I haven't read through the thread here but I did go to the West Seattle High School website. The Principal as listed on the staff page, cleverly entitled "The Buck Stops Here" (HA!), is a Phil Brockman, assistant principals are Ann Bailey and Dr. ("Oooohhh doctor!" in my best Homer Simpson voice) Betty Gray. Not a Ders in the bunch. Just as well they are hiding behind a fictitious straw woman. The grammatical errors in that canned BS resonse were terrifying. I guess Susan Ders was in a work release program at the women's prison and didn't have time to take the GED writing courses offered there during her incarceration.

Can someone enlighten me? Who is Susan Ders and who is Phil "The Buck Stops Here" Brockman?

#239 HDJ...I think there's something very fishy about that refinery blast. Unfortunately we may never know the truth.

I would need to know more before I passed any judgment on this.

If the event took place without the principal's knowledge, this does not necessarily mean she is a poor, out-of-touch administrator. The organizers of the event could very well have taken special care to make sure no one else found out about it.

However, if no faculty or adminstrative personnel who were involved in the "production" are disciplined or fired (surely organizing and conducting an anti-war protest in a school facility without informing the principal and seeking permission is grounds for disciplinary action), then I would have to conclude that the apology is meaningless and that the principal was aware of the protest beforehand and is simply trying to cover her butt.

If she honestly was not aware of the production until 15 minutes ahead of time, and this was due to extraordinary steps taken by the perpetrators to ensure secrecy, then I would say that she handled this situation as best she could. But the follow-up is key. If discipline is not meted out, it calls into question both the sincerity of the apology as well as her claim of ignorance.

#265 American Infidel

That's fantastic news. I hope all 7000 of them go to the front to fight against the Zionist aggressors. Best get 504,000 virgins/raisins ready.

#247 TheSecularConservative - Nope, you may still be a Marine (witness your statement about who kicks whose ass; marines are asking Iraqis in the regions the Marines were in, not the Army. Typical Marine intelligence at work :>)
True story - I was attached to the 8th Special Forces Group at the Jungle Operations (read: Warfare) Center in Panama before and for a little while after my time in Cambod, er, Vietnam and every couple months or so a Marine BLT would come in for a shortened version of the Center's course. As an Assistant Instructor, I was challenged one day by a Lance Corporal (I think, never did learn all the grades by name that the Marines use) to go on a PT run with the Recon group. Schmuck that I was I said sure( it was about 92 degrees and about 90% humidity). 5 miles later we finished. I was in the last third of the pack and just dying. My SF Master Sargent (E-8) came over and said, in front of the recon guys -Shit, if WE ever have to run that far to catch Charlie, we'll take a chopper!
BTW - if you heard that urinal story the other way, it was poached off me (I honestly came up with that on my own) and I demand royalties!

Is it live or memorex?
This all looks so fake, I can't tell if it's a photograph or artist's rendition.

SecularConservative

No offense. I took it as good humored ribbing, just like the RealWest and notneojustconservative jabs.
Of course, it's easy for me to be gracious when I know that the Navy is the best branch of the military.

#271 nice beads!

#253 realwest

#244 kayawanee - see my post at #212; You KNOW that letter to the parent was not only vetted by lawyers, but mostly written by them (or him or her)

That thought crossed my mind, but I didn't want to jump to conclusions about it. I used to work in a marketing dept. of an insurance comp, and every letter or ad I wrote was vetted by lawyers, yet retained much of what I originally wrote. So, I figure she might have written much of the letter, but certain words were added/replaced.

Lawyers always replace action words with feeling words and re-direct focus from the person apologizing to the person being apologized to. So, for example, the phrase, "I am sorry I did X." becomes "I am sorry you feel that what I did was X." This is typical legal rephrasing.

I KNOW! I KNOW!

Susan Ders is the Seven Windows woman. As a school administrator she makes a great air brushed model.

#249 Luigi

Too much time with children for me, I guess. When I read your link, I presumed the "Babe Effect" had something to do the movie Babe, where the pig asked nicely (and said thank you) instead of forcing the sheep.

#273 cat dancing

Of course, it's easy for me to be gracious when I know that the Navy is the best branch of the military.

If you squeeze your eyes shut real tight, click the heels of your ruby slippers (all you squids got a pair), and say that three times, it might just come true...

#240

Well put (especially for a Jarhead) :)

EM1(SS)

#265 American Infidel

I posted that already a few days ago. But I wonder if they realise that if they go to war and lose (which will happen) that they will not retain the Sinai.

realwest, you should be demanding royalties then, cuz I've heard that one a few times (several "marine to army", once "enlisted to 0" and not "army to marine")

and Truth be told, we ALL have a helluva time keeping anywhere near up with the recon boys (good on ya, morpheus, er, not neo)