May she rest in peace.

Baruch Dayan Emet

May G-d bless her and her family...

May she finally rest in peace and this godawful media feeding frenzy be put to rest.

Congrats Democrats! You Won! She is dead!

#1 zulubaby

A sentiment I think all can agree upon.

Rest in peace Terri.

I believe in the Old Irish saying, "May you be in heaven a half an hour before the devil knows you're dead."

Rest in peace.

Terri's situation has given me, at least, a good thing, as now I have a living will in place.

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

So sad. Reportedly, the "husband" would not allow her parents to be with her when she passed. That tells you everything you need to know about him.

#5 BrewCrew

Democrats? You mean like Jesse Jackson?

A truly sad, tragic story.

Alas, there will be a fight over what to do with her body and I get the feeling that the autopsy won't put an end to this drama any time soon.

The slowest court ordered execution in the nations history.

May eternal light shine upon her

I know that I'm probably going to get ignored (at best) or flamed (at worst), but on this day, let's try to avoid the over the top comments that no doubt are coming. Let's put the anger aside for now and simply mourn that such an event has happened. Let's not fly off the handle and make comments that make DU and KOS seem like bastions of sanity. Let's avoid the calls for deaths and the name-calling for today.

I hope she haunts her bastard husband for the rest of his life. It may be mean spirited, but I want to see this guy get no peace on earth.

Congrats Democrats! (Minus Jesse Jackson) You Won! She is dead!

#11 -- You're correct -- we haven't heard the end of this, by a long shot.

I found it very interesting watching Je$$e Jack$on involving himself in this. At the press conference, he seemed ill-at-ease -- probably because he couldn't use his automatic shakedown-whitey-for-the-money statements.

Rest in peace, Terri. I'm sorry it had to be this way.

That is good news.

I wonder if George un-Felos "touched her soul" when she passed. What a friggin goul/creep.

*sigh*

Culture of Death - 1
Terri - 0

#19 - good news?

I don't know why I am so effected by the death of a stranger. Perhaps because I find it sad that the government finds it can be easier to let somebody die then to let her go to somebody who is willing to care for her.

Rest in peace Terry. May the country and the people find teir way through this vale of tears

Go with G-d Terri. Rest in peace.

Something has gone seriously wrong with the'system' in the USA.

(playing Gabriel Faure's Requiem)

In paradisum deducant te angeli,
in tuo adventu
suscipiant te martyres,
et perducant te
in civitatem sanctam Jerusalem.

Chorus angelorum te suscipiat,
et cum Lazaro quondam paupere
aeternam habeas requiem

The most pertinent question: Would anyone buy a used car from Michael Schiavo?

I can't believe he kicked the parents out of the room. Yeah, there's a huge amount of acrimony between both sides, but at the end, don't you set those things aside?

I guess not. Wonder if he'll ban the parents from the funeral?

I'm sorry if I were the parents the media would not only be reporting Terri's death but the gun blazing rampage that I caused afterwords. Anyone feel this too or it just me?

zulubaby's post says it best.

My heart goes out to her family...and no, I don't mean her "husband".

They said her eyes couldn't really see...think Who she is seeing now!

#19

Nothing "good" has come from this. The only grace here is that Terri walks with Jesus now and is no longer being tortured by the state.

#17 Dana: It was weird, wasn't it? I almost got the feeling that Jesse Jackson was honestly there to try to save Terri's life and comfort her family, almost as if he were a - a - a minister or something. I guess even an opportunistic, race-baiting shakedown artist can do the right thing sometimes.

#22 aRedPhishHead
#19 - good news?

Yes. May her parents be jailed for what they've put their daughter through.

May the truth come out and may hearts be changed. Terri, we owe this much to you - to work to change minds and hearts about reverence for innocent life. God speed you in your new and better life.

The only real outcome of this, besides these namby pambys with their latest "living-wills" fad, is that Pres. Bush and the Repubs. will lose big with their supporters, as they should

Also the entire judicial system is way over-reaching its intended powers

Unelected appointees have their place in an oligarchy more than in a democracy

5 unelected appointees should not be allowed to block laws the majority want - they are only supposed to interpret them

#29 CommonSense

I know how you feel. And I assume you'd have had Michael Schiavo in your sights?

So sad. Reportedly, the "husband" would not allow her parents to be with her when she passed. That tells you everything you need to know about him.

Her parents should have proved that he had more than one wife, in criminal court.
He would have lost his guardinship.
He also commited adultry,
would have lost his guardinship.
But they went to the media, and the media would love to see her die again, makes for more readers.

#33 doppleganger

I know what you mean.

"Down, down, down into the darkness of the grave;
Gently they go, the beautiful, the tender, the kind;
Quietly they go, the intelligent, the witty, the brave.
I know. But I do not approve. And I am not resigned."

Edna St. Vincent Millay (1892-1950), U.S. poet. "Dirge without Music"

29, its not just you.

#31 farng!

The prayer I have been praying for her is basically that G-d takes her to him and comforts her and lets her know how much she is loved by him.

I know LGFers aren't in unanimous in thought on this, but I hope most of us feel for this woman and her family (her real family) anyway.

Listening to Laura Ingram yesterday and especially today, the sincerity is real. Very emotional.

I find the political tie-in interesting. This mornings left-wing Minneapolis paper had an editorial cartoon poking fun of/ridiculing liberal hero Jesse Jackson for supporting her family. Very nasty.

Hopefully this will result in serious legeslation clearly defining the medical proxy rules as to who makes dife and death decisions for the incapacitated so we can take this out of the courts.

#33

It's as if he was having to think "What am I supposed to be saying, as a 'man of God?'"

#37

Speaking of what we know and I'm sure the parents of Terri have more hatred (dirt) on Michael.

Michael, His lawyer, doctors whoever got in the way.

Which by the why Michael sister in law in Philly recieved death threats so hopefully she...

What we have just witnessed is the miscarriage of justice that results when the judiciary attempts to conceal its own errors to protect itself from public scrutiny.

Judicial Arrogance vs. Individual Human Life, U.S. (2005).

held: Terri Schiavo must die.

#29 CommonSense

Anyone feel this too or it just me?

Not just you sweetie.

#33/39

Maybe I'm bias in favor of the cause, but listening to Jesse Jackson...he actually sounded really sincere.

How do we get a national holiday started up in honor of Terri?

#29 Commonsense

Nope, not just you. I got into SERIOUS trouble at Freep last week for that very reason...

It makes me sick that murderers and rapists on death row get more chances to tell and re-tell their stories in court (much to the chagrin of society), and Terri didn't even get one additional chance.

Very sad indeed.

At least Terri doesn't have to deal with any of this moronic lunacy anymore.

May G_d accept her into his loving and open arms.

#14 Targetpractice:

The world loves an optimist :) ... but I don't think you're going to get your wish on this thread.

Baruch Dayan HaEmet...

Fo those of you who think this is a good thing, or think her parents were wrong, take a good, long look in the mirror.

The bastard that had 2 bastards with another woman would not even allow the priest or her parents to be with her at the end.

May michael schiavo rot in hell.

Charles

Thank you for this thread.

President Bush will address the nation in an hour.

"May the angels receive thee in paradise:
At thy coming may the martyrs receive thee,
and bring thee into the Holy City, Jerusalem

There may the choir of angels receive thee,
and with Lazarus, once a beggar, may'st thou have eternal rest"

(from the liner notes)

Even to this lonely guy, prettier than 72 virgins

The guy noodling on the trumpet can stop now.

#50 CommonSense:

Can't do it today; It's Cesar Chavez Day.

Happy Cesar Chavez Day! (Zombie, if you see this: Are you going to the parade?)

#55 logger phd

That was absolutely beautiful. My eyes are tearing up.

#19
#34
*Kim Hartveld *

Begone ye troll.

#34 Kim Hartveld

And the husband gets away with infidelity, murder, money and "righteousness"?

PLEASE.

Turn off CBS and get a soul.

#44 beblebrox

Hopefully this will result in serious legeslation clearly defining the medical proxy rules as to who makes dife and death decisions for the incapacitated so we can take this out of the courts.

Too late. The state of Pennsylvania is about to murder another.

Bucks County judge likely to bar feeding tube

54, he will?

#57

Heard it's also "buy new socks day" too on the radio on the way to work. Whatever that means.

maybe now her poor parents, brother and sister can finally get some rest as well. i cant imagine that i would be able to function if my baby were going through something like that at the hands of a nefarious husband and an unfeeling judicial system. blessings on her true family, and my prayers that michael schaivo is able to come to terms with what he has done, and repent and beg forgiveness.

I know how you feel. And I assume you'd have had Michael Schiavo in your sights?

He better take any money he has and hire a dumb body guard.

#53 Jheka

I know I won't. As strong as the emotions have been over the last week, they'll pale in comparison to what'll probably be unleashed today.

Evil won today. Rest in peace Terri. We'll try not to let it happen again.

I cant speak for anyone but myself, but this has been hideous any way it`s looked at, and someone I`d detested before (Jesse Jackson), has went up a lot in my estimation for his apparently hearfelt actions.

It makes me sick that murderers and rapists on death row get more chances to tell and re-tell their stories in court (much to the chagrin of society), and Terri didn't even get one additional chance.

If I understand it correctly, that was the primary point of the congressional legislation. To make Terri's case similiar to the process death row inmates get. Before death is administered, all options, including Federal, are excercised.

Kim Hart-less

Have you no compassion?

#29 Common Sense

If I were Terri's dad, Mikie boy would have been dead years ago, I would be in prison, and my wife would be taking care of our dear daughter.

#71 - She has no soul - don't even try.

#72 Lone Star State of Mind

I know how you feel, but two wrongs don't make a right.

72, They put too much faith in our once great country instead.

The libs got their way - yet again.

While it would have been less cruel to take her out and shoot the poor girl, the libs succeeded in starving her to death.

Nice going Libs and Judge/God Greer. Nice going.

#65 Heidi

I think Judge Greer has a lot of forgiveness to beg for, too.

#11 h0mi: An autopsy would beunusual. The cause of death is quite apparent.

#34: Having cared for a variety of patients who were in vegetative states or in terminal illness, I would point out that her suffering didn't begin until her dehydration started. Even when its the wish of a terminally ill patient dying in great pain and cessation of tube feeding is used as a method to assist in ending their pain sooner, its a very wrenching thing to see.

May she rest in peace.

#72 -

God Bless Texas. Sometimes that mentally really works for me, too. Let's dont ever move to florida.

#59 Carolina Girl

That was absolutely beautiful.

Even more so, when sung.

#60 Chairman:

A good thing to do before calling someone a troll is to use the search function to look at their previous posts. Kim is no troll. She just happens to disagree with the majority on this specific issue.

#58

The courts are filled with leftist judges, you will see a grassroots movement to castrate the courts and it will be THE LEFT that loses big on that...Since it is the only way that they are capable of having any of their ideas imposed upon the American public which is conservative and trending even more conservative...

So true

Congrats Democrats! (Minus Jesse Jackson)

That's not entirely fair. Democrats Barney Frank and Joe Lieberman also stood with the Schindler's family.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

-Amen

LENORE

by Edgar Allan Poe
(1831)

Ah, broken is the golden bowl! the spirit flown forever!
Let the bell toll!- a saintly soul floats on the Stygian river;
And, Guy de Vere, hast thou no tear?- weep now or nevermore!
See! on yon drear and rigid bier low lies thy love, Lenore!
Come! let the burial rite be read- the funeral song be sung!-
An anthem for the queenliest dead that ever died so young-
A dirge for her the doubly dead in that she died so young.

"Wretches! ye loved her for her wealth and hated her for her pride,
And when she fell in feeble health, ye blessed her- that she died!
How shall the ritual, then, be read?- the requiem how be sung
By you- by yours, the evil eye,- by yours, the slanderous tongue
That did to death the innocence that died, and died so young?"

Peccavimus; but rave not thus! and let a Sabbath song
Go up to God so solemnly the dead may feel no wrong.
The sweet Lenore hath "gone before," with Hope, that flew beside,
Leaving thee wild for the dear child that should have been thy
bride.
For her, the fair and debonair, that now so lowly lies,
The life upon her yellow hair but not within her eyes
The life still there, upon her hair- the death upon her eyes.

"Avaunt! avaunt! from fiends below, the indignant ghost is riven-
From Hell unto a high estate far up within the Heaven-
From grief and groan, to a golden throne, beside the King of
Heaven!
Let no bell toll, then,- lest her soul, amid its hallowed mirth,
Should catch the note as it doth float up from the damned Earth!
And I!- to-night my heart is light!- no dirge will I upraise,
But waft the angel on her flight with a Paean of old days!"

-- THE END --

#67 Targetpractice:

I just hope that it can be more or less contained to this thread, which will probably go over 1,000 by mid-afternoon, if not earlier.

May God hold her near to him. Rest in peace, Terri.

#84

Barney Frank and Joe Lieberman

Are republicans in disguise.

TS husband should say the "Act of Contrition" 1000 times, she will live forever now in the Arms of the LOrd.

Congratulations, America... Today we are all Dutch.

god bless terri. many are sad that you are gone, even those who believed you would not have wanted to be put through what you were.

#84 Dirk Diggler:

Many, many democrats and liberals favored keeping the feeding tube in and many Republicans and conservatives (Boortz comes to mind) did not. It's not really a party line issue.

If there is a better place, then she is there now.
If not, then fifteen years of horror are now over.

#87 Jheka

No doubt. But I find it sort of ironic that this thread will no doubt descend into name-calling and possible calls for Michael Schiavo's death, while the threads over at DU on this are pretty much tame and quiet.

& to all the libs out there who really believe the DNC talking point that starvation/dehydration isn't painful - please - go try it.
...you miserable death-cult F***s.

That's not entirely fair. Democrats Barney Frank and Joe Lieberman also stood with the Schindler's family.

Barney Frank. That's twice recently he really surprised me. First with CNN and now this. He is a very liberal politician who can put his true convictions ahead of politics.

#89 Commonsense:

Barney Frank is a Republican? In what alternate universe?

I never understood how it was that Mike Sciavo had standing as her husband after living with an other woman and fathering two children. Never made any sense. The passion for death is something I don't understand either, very strang mind-set.

#80 heidi

What are you talking about? Texas murdered a six month old baby last week that the mother fought to save. Terri at least had 7 years of court battles.

#71 Americain 3/31/2005 07:44AM PST

Kim Hart-less - Have you no compassion?

Don't bother with it. It's a troll attempting to start a flame war here. Absolutely no class. Remember the prayer. And pray for Terri's soul. Pray for all our souls.

[Link: www.950kprc.com...]

Listen to Glenn Beck live unfiltered on this.

Please keep in mind that many of the judges in the thick of this were Republican appointees (of Jeb, Mel Martinez, et al.).

In many ways it is indeed a non-partisan issue/outcome. The biggest problem was the dealing in the Florida Legislature that inserted feeding/water tube in as "life support," a joke and a Trojan Horse of an addendum if there ever was one.

#98

#97 Said what I would have.

#97 Dave:

I have always respected Frank. I haven't always agreed with him but I've always respected the man.

The Florida courts condemned this woman to one of the worst deaths that a human can endure.
Those judges trampled on her constitutional rights again and again. The cowardice displayed by the judicial branch each time it punted to another court is a mockery of our whole system.
Many have the blood of Terri on their hands and not a single one will escape the ultimate judgment.

#62 BIG

Respctufully, I must disagree. It seems as if the patient's will was quite clear in that matter. As a Pennsylvania resident with some experiance in this matter, Pennsylvania's laws considering living wills and the rights of patients to refuse or decline treatment are very clear and I think are a model for the rest of the counrty to emulate.

In PA a living will is not disputable, regardless of the wishes of remaining family members, period. And I have to say that is how it should be. In cases where the patien has clearly stated his or her wishes, they should be respected.

There were so many things in done here by the Judge and government that should have been done and not done. Same goes with the husband and parents. I will make no judgements of the parents though. Now a good woman is gone from us. At least we can all gain comfort knowing she is with God now. I can only hope that people after this take the time to realize how precius there own lives are.

RIP Terri

This saga / tragedy sure made for strange bedfellows. I cannot remember the last time I agreed with Alan Durshowitz, Jesse Jackson and Lanny Davis on any one issue at any one time. But here I was agreeing with all three of them at one time on one issue.

They killed her. Plain and simple. They thought she should be fed 15 years ago. They fed her for 7 years. She neither got better nor worse. They got tired of feeding her and decided to kill her. Eight years later they succeeded.

What a world.

#62 BIG:

The state of Pennsylvania is about to murder another.

Knock it off. Not the same circumstances at all, and the patient referred to in the story doesn't even require a feeding tube at this juncture.

baruch dayan ha-emet

Ok. I've said Kaddish. I've cried till I have a headache. Took meds.

Now I have a question. My sister is a physical therapist, her husband a doc, my best friend is head nurse in a burn unit.

Each of them agrees with me. Had I been on Terri's caregiving team, I would have recused myself before I removed the feeding tube.

Are there any other medical professionals here? If so, can you address this issue?

#103

True, it's a faaarrr stretch of the term "life support". I guess the Pope is on "life support" as we speak.

The Lord bless thee and keep thee; the Lord make His face to shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee. The Lord lift up His countenance on thee and give thee peace.

Resquiat in pace et gloria, Terri.

#96 Free Speech:

How is that a DNC talking point? Is there a memo that I'm unaware of?

Richard Gere on Opinion Journal. Wow, last week it was Don Cheadle.

Fortunately, not all Hollywood types, even liberals, are completely blind to evil in the world. In Gere's case, I take him seriously as he has embraced Buddhism in a way more deeply than, say, Madonna's embrace of kabbalist Judaism.

Will Europe turn down the $$$?

May God grant her and her family peace.

Zulubaby,

From the other night I do understand "polite anti semite."

102 - thanks. love Glenn Beck.

#180 - BIG

sorry, i didnt remember where that had occurred. i just know that Lone Star State expressed an opinion that is usually kept quiet in other places, but it seems to me that in texas many people can just speak their mind on issues such as that - and do so frequently, bless them. for the record, i hate killing of babies. no matter the reason.

I hope this experience will make other states look at Oregon. I have said before, THe Death with Dignity act here WORKS. It is compassionate, and right, for a terminal individual to choose the time of their deeparture from their mortal coil.

Side note: Please, people. This has not been a partisan issue. Do not blanket Dems=bad Reps=good on the Shiavo issue. Let us pray to do better next time...

In regards to Michael not letting the family in for the final moments, the family has been implying on national news that Terry's heartattack was the result of attempted murder by him. The fact that a malpractice suit was won over bulimia not being diagnosed, pretty well establishes that the cause was related to bulimia. Would someone pursue a malpractice suit that might reveal himself as an attempted murderer? He probably should have let the family in, but I can understand why he didn't.

#107 beblebrox

In PA a living will is not disputable, regardless of the wishes of remaining family members, period. And I have to say that is how it should be. In cases where the patien has clearly stated his or her wishes, they should be respected.

It's hopeless. In Terri's case, everyone is upset that Terri's wishes were only known threw her "husband". OK, fair enough.

But here's a case where the man's wishes are apparently very clear, yet they're still hyperventilating.

NY Nana:

Fo those of you who think this is a good thing, or think her parents were wrong, take a good, long look in the mirror.

I think this is a very good thing. It should have happened 15 years ago. While I feel sorry for any parent who loses a child, I think her parents have been in a state of denial, refusing to acknowledge reality.

I'm looking in the mirror with no problems at all, and you'd better believe that I have a living will and health proxy. I've had them since I had to have surgery in 2000. You can flame me all you want, but I am as entitled to my position as you are to yours.

I'm relieved that Terri's body has been allowed to follow where her mind went so long ago.

May she finally rest in peace.

#116 Jheka
Well, it is a talking point among uber-libs/leftists.
I've heard it bantered about on on Air America and in leftist circles. a lot.

AI
I think that what this episode has shown us, among other things is that Judicial Supremacy over the rest of government is real. Republican or Democrat-the judges and the various courts moved in lockstep and rejected all challenges to their authority. It means that a lowly State Judge can cut any one of us off at any time, not the US Congress, not the President can stop them.

The only Judge missing from Terri's case was a guy named Freisler. He and Judge Greer seem to be of a simular judicial temperment.

Threw = through, btw.

Laura Ingraham raised a very interesting question this morning: what will they write for cause of death on the death certificate? Starvation? Dehydration?

#107 beblebrox

But the wife wants him to live. Shouldn't she have a say in whether the state murders her husband or not? Shouldn't this go through at least 7 years of our court system so nobodys rights get trampled upon?

How is letting John King starve to death any different than letting Terri Schiavo sstarve to death? Because one had a piece of paper and the other didn't?

Amazing Grace comforts me at times like this.

#125 Free Speech:

Certainly, a lot of leftists have discussed it. I agree on that. I'm just trying to get everyonr to brush with a slightly finer brush, that's all.

122, you can? Glad you aren't in my family, sir/ma'am.

The emperor's new robes

There are a lot of telling facts, but two big ones are:

* The only family member lobbying for Terri's death is her husband, who is affianced to a woman he's been living with for several years and with whom he already has two children.

* Terri's husband has refused to allow her to be given either an MRI or a PET scan, which are also known as: "The tests that could determine whether Terri is even in a permanent vegetative state." (I believe his exact words were, "PET scan? MRI? What do I look like, a guy who just won a $1 million malpractice settlement?")

This for you Mr. schiavo say it over and over!

The Act of Contrition
O my God,
I am heartily sorry for
having offended Thee,
and I detest all my sins,
because I dread the loss of heaven,
and the pains of hell;
but most of all because
they offend Thee, my God,
Who are all good and
deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve,
with the help of Thy grace,
to confess my sins,
to do penance,
and to amend my life.

Amen.

#84 Dirk Diggler, #93 Jheka: Indeed: not a party line issue. Judge Greer is a registered Republican.

#96 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld on Fox was explaining that very thing just a few days ago ...

I had no idea that on pure hearsay that one person could sentence someone to a slow death like this..I thought legally that there would HAVE to be *written proof* of what someone's wish's were?

Religion is not a factor for me in this, this is about a cruel and inhumane death sentence put on a innocent human being who could not speak for herself.

*A horse with a broken leg would not be made to suffer like Terry.*
AND IF she was not in any pain what was the big DEAL on not letting her parents take her home and care for her?

I have a family member who's daughter was born with brain damage, the girl is 12 years old and has to be hand fed and is mentaly like a 3 month old baby.
What is going to happen to this girl when the parents are no longer able to care for her and the state takes over..lets save some money and let her die because she is of no value?

...and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

#14 and #15
did you two conspire to put these notes back to back?
or was it a serendipitous irony?

#129

Throw in "Court ordered and upheld"

I have always respected Frank. I haven't always agreed with him but I've always respected the man.

And let's not forget Ralph Nader. You know, I almost have some respect for that goofball also. I may disagree with 98% of what he says/stands for, but he also has convictions that aren't for sale.

He also joined Barney Frank and Jesse Jackson in supporting Terri's family. That really surprised me when you look at you his support base is.

This was Judicial murder by activist judges who are ignoring the freedoms our Constitution established, and re-shaping America into something wholly evil based on the culture of death. The US President, US Congress, State of Florida Legislature and its Governor were all powerless against the tyranny being inflicted upon our nation by reckless activist judges.

124, you're not a judge are you? Sure hope not.

#135 'Nam Grunt

I like it!

Bet he won't do it, though.

#140 FriarsTale

I'll take "Irony" for $1000, Alex.

What bothers me the most is the feeding tube. It seems to me that if you make the decsion to insert a feeding tube into someone, then you should not be allowed to remove that sustanance unless there has been some sort of major medical setback to the patient. With food and water, Terri would have gone on living. Her heart , lungs and all major organs continued to work properly.

Had they decided 15 years ago to deny her food and water in light of her brain injury, I would have respected their decision. But it seems to me, and to many around the world, that they simply became tired of her living.

And finanlly, and I'll shut up after this; How in the world could someone claim to be unbaised who has gone on to start another marriage with another woman?

May Michael Schiavo suffer the same agony that he inflicted on Terri.

I had a thought to make a made up comment of what I heard Michael Shaivo yelling a few miles down the road about an hour ago, but I'll refrain. It is a sad day.

The "earth" beneath my feet feels a little slipperier today, as well as it seems to have picked up a little more extreme grade, not much, but some. Oh, and it looks like it's covered with figurative wet algae...

May the great Name of God be exalted and sanctified, throughout the world, which he has created according to his will. May his Kingship be established in your lifetime and in your days, and in the lifetime of the entire household of Israel, swiftly and in the near future; and say, Amen.
May his great name be blessed, forever and ever.
Blessed, praised, glorified, exalted, extolled, honored elevated and lauded be the Name of the holy one, Blessed is he- above and beyond any blessings and hymns, Praises and consolations which are uttered in the world; and say Amen. May there be abundant peace from Heaven, and life, upon us and upon all Israel; and say, Amen.

He who makes peace in his high holy places, may he bring peace upon us, and upon all Israel; and say Amen.

Yis'ga'dal v'yis'kadash sh'may ra'bbo, b'olmo dee'vro chir'usay v'yamlich malchu'say, b'chayaychon uv'yomay'chon uv'chayay d'chol bais Yisroel, ba'agolo u'viz'man koriv; v'imru Omein.
Y'hay shmay rabbo m'vorach l'olam ul'olmay olmayo.
Yisborach v'yishtabach v'yispoar v'yisromam v'yismasay, v'yishador v'yis'aleh v'yisalal, shmay d'kudsho, brich hu, l'aylo min kl birchoso v'sheeroso, tush'bechoso v'nechemoso, da,ameeran b'olmo; vimru Omein.
Y'hay shlomo rabbo min sh'mayo, v'chayim alaynu v'al kol Yisroel; v'imru Omein.
Oseh sholom bimromov, hu ya'aseh sholom olaynu, v'al kol yisroel; vimru Omein.

Terri Schiavo Dead at 41: a shameful end to a tragic struggle

He would not even give her the mercy of dying in the presence of family who loved her!

What possible justification could Michael Schiavo have had in denying the Schindler family that last request?!

One thing for sure, it is consistent with his behavior thus far in addition to his involvement with other suspicious dealings in Pinellas.

#132 Jheka.

Point taken.

Lets just say that the same folks with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers are the same folks saying starvation/dehydration isn't painful.

Terri is talking with God.
God bless her and us.

#135 'nam Grunt

I guess I have been away from the Church a long time. When I learned the Act, it was "and I detest all my sins because of thy just punishment."

Does anyone know if Terri received Extreme Unction?

I know that the man can't be thought of here as anything other than a filth murdering piece of shit who should die painfully and then burn in hell eternally, but...

Have any of y'all considered the possibility that Michael really was doing as he says he was doing by fulfilling Terri's wishes? Does anyone think it's even remotely possible that she actually did tell him that she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive like that, and the fact the she said it to him without putting it in writing didn't make a bit of difference to him?

Nah, I didn't think so.

No compassion. Just another interesting legal doctrine to be adjudicated by the system. Separation of Church and State? Separation of Humanity from humans. No right, no wrong, just meat.

RIP Terri.

May you find the peace and love which was so cruelly kept from you in this life.

#121

I think the issue here deals with what Terri really wanted. And I don't see this as death with dignity. She had no terminal illness.

I don't mind discussing this subject here, but I hope everyone does it calmly.

122 Georgian

Regarding a decision argued by someone like the ghoul Octopus (who, to be fair, says he isn't a malpractice attorney) and decided by a jury of people not disqualified by plaintiff's attorney's for knowing too much, well...

I've sat through voir dire before, and best I can tell, the whole purpose is for people who'd rather not sit on a jury to disqualify themselves and for the attornies involved to dismiss potential jurors who know too much.

"I notice seveal LGFers that don't like discussing the judicial murder of Terri Schiavo, yet sit in this thread and post frequently...Hypocrites the whole lot of them..."

I've noticed that too. The most pathetic ones are the ones who wish to *pretend* to be neutral on the matter. Newsflash for those who've spent the last 2 weeks working that charade: We've seen you, and know where you *really* stand on this issue. A pity you lacked at least the guts to admit that you were on the side of death.

#153 Carolina Girl

Yes. She did.

34 Kim

Eat sh*t and die, you scum bag

#146 Target

well, I liked 14 better than 15
you tried

#151

Yeah...no pain that's why Terri Schiavo Given Morphine

I can't figure it out either.

RIP

#153 Carolina Girl

I think she received the sacraments on Easter Sunday.

#154: Then why insert it at all? If she had told him she didn't want to be in this condition, why not have let her go 15 years ago?

Why?

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

#160 Crusader:

Do you have a LIST or should we just guess hwo these evil, evil people are?

I don't believe Michael was honest about what Terri's wishes were. He didn't mention them until seven years after she was hospitalized and, more telling for me, is the fact that why on earth, if he knew she wouldn't want to be kept alive "artifically", did he ever allow the feeding tube to be inserted in the first place? That makes no sense.

These kinds of fights in a family happen ALL the TIME. Happened to me. The person my Uncle ended up marrying kept me totally OUT of his room when he was dying. Not only that..ALL of us shared the same Dr. When his Dr, MY Dr. came into the hospital, something she must have said to him, kept him from even saying hello to me when he passed me in the waiting room. (Course I had to change Dr's. after that).

Not only that...she had been letting my Uncle lie on the floor for 30 minutes after he had his "episode' hoping he would just DIE ALREADY. If he didn't regain consciousness in 30 minutes...she did finally call the Ambulance. I found it out by accident. And she knew I knew what she had been doing.

AND furthermore..for some reason she got a Clergyman of a Religion NOT my Uncles to visit my Uncle and NOT a Rabbi. All she had to do was call the Sh ul and the associate Rabbi would have shown up. It was a MESS. I couldn't do a thing about any of it. I had to let whatever was going on in that hospital go on.

The idea was to not treat him and hope he got pneumonia and die..and thats just what happened..The idea was to NOT let me know what was going on...so that I couldn't object. I am an affective fighter for my relatives. She knew that. I'm also smarter than she is but not as Street Smart as she is...and thats what was needed to accomplish what she accomplished.

He died...and I never ever got hold of any further info. other than she meant to kill him by "neglect" in the home or if it came to the hospital SHE arranged for him to die there...Who knows what she told that Dr...

#154 Powderfinger -

No.

154, Morning, Troll! I was wondering when you'd get around to supporting Michael. For a breif moment, I thought that maybe you'd heard what happened at the end, and thought you had finally realized you were on the wrong side. Then I thought better and figured you were just still asleep.

Frankly, just wait till we link Judicial Supremacy, euthanasia and medicare. Suddenly a lot of people are going to be found to be disposable. Too many resources, too much money...

#154 Powderfinger

There was that doubt in the back of my mind that he might be, after all, loyally defending her wishes, despite all the other evidence against him which I won't list here.

But when he barred her parents from being there at the end, it killed all of it.

#130 BIG

How is letting John King starve to death any different than letting Terri Schiavo sstarve to death? Because one had a piece of paper and the other didn't?

Why in the world do you think that anyone has the right to intervene and override a dying man's written wishes? How in the hell does your opinion become more important than his?

The state isn't doing anything other than denying to get involved.

The man made his wishes clear. Butt out.

#130: Yep, a piece of paper makes all the difference in the world. This man has made his wishes clearly known in the only way acceptable to the legal system. Terri did not, so her "husband" legally spoke for her. Once the court agreed with him, there really wasn't anything anyone could do.

#149 babbazee... thank you.

#154 Powerfinger -

yes, actually i have thought about those points. that was my first reaction, to be honest. then i saw him, numerous times being interviewed. i read what he had to say. i saw that he chose to live with another and have children. all i can say is - i hope his new "live in" is able to get out of the house with the children safely when she is able to see what her future holds. he may not have the eyes of rasputin, but when i look at him, i see a man who is not kind. and thinks of himself alone. i did not start this way - really. he formed my thoughts for me, based on his life and words.

"My long struggle has ended and as I stand at the foot of the Lord, I have many people to say thank you to back on Earth. Remember that now my love has no boundaries.

Thank you Mom and Dad for believing in me right up until the end. And thank you to my other family members who stood on that line with Mom and Dad. I appreciate everything that you did for me and I love you still.

Thank you, Michael and the Schiavos. I know you believe you did the right thing for me, and hopefully my passing will bring peace to your lives.

Thank you Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and all the other radio hosts on AM radio for bringing my plight to the forefront of America's mind. Hopefully, everyone will take the lesson learned about living wills seriously enough to write one of their own.

Thank you to all the politicians who fought for me. I know that the law will only allow you to go so far and I appreciate what little you could do.

Thank you to the judges who overviewed my case time and again. I know it took alot out of your daily lives to do so, and that those decisions were difficult to make.

Thank you to the doctors and nurses who gave the many diagnoses and I hope that the autopsy will clear up any misgivings about me that there may have been.

And finally, thank you to my many supporters on both sides of the aisle. I thank you for trying to feed me and give me drink and for standing outside my room in vigil. I thank you for writing about me on the internet and talking about me to your friends and family. I thank you for every moment that you spent thinking about me and praying for me. I felt it all.

I am with my God, now. I am a Christian and I took communion many times during my lifetime. I have seen the glorious face of Jesus and have been renewed. I look forward to seeing you all again someday, but for now, I wish you all peace and understanding.

Amen."

124 Amy

I think this is a very good thing. It should have happened 15 years ago.

This will be said of you, one day...may you relish that fact, that day.

May you indeed rest in peace, Terri.

#113 grayp:

Each of them agrees with me. Had I been on Terri's caregiving team, I would have recused myself before I removed the feeding tube.

I've had to deal with some extremely difficult situations involving terminally ill or brain damaged patients. This one would have been too much for me, and I would have recused myself also.

#174 Renna

You know, on one hand, I'd like to know just what transpired between them, because they all obviously hate each other with a passion, and they have for over a decade. On the other hand, maybe I'd rather not.

It's a damn shame regardless.

#160 Crusader - American Infidel

I tried very hard not to insert myself into the fray here on this topic, as I think AI does know ~ but my stand was made very clear, clear enough that regardless of the politeness of my statements I was still attacked by the usual suspects.
I hope you are not mistakenly including me in the death cult...

I will probably end up leaving this thread soon, too... as the ugliness and rancor this brings to some posters is a negative investment of my time...

#130 BIG

But the wife wants him to live. Shouldn't she have a say in whether the state murders her husband or not?

No, she shouldn't. She should carry out her husband's wishes, and under PA law she has little to no choice to do otherwise. The state is playing no role in this whatsoever. What you are proposing is exactly what in Florida you are protesting against: state intervention in the right of a patient to decide his own treatment.

Shouldn't this go through at least 7 years of our court system so nobodys rights get trampled upon?

Well crafted laws are written precicely to avoid such situations. There is no wiggle room here, the patient's rights and wishes , when clear are paramount, and must be honored by any designated medical proxy and the care providers regardless of their personal feelings on the matter.

Headline from 2024?

Court orders termination of benefits in over 150,000 "hopeless" cases. Funds to be redirected reduce deficit.

Rest in peace Terri. You were wronged by that inbred judicial system in Pinellas Florida. You had demons arrayed against you. Rest in peace

164 CommonSense

They say they did it for the family, good excuse huh?

I would imagine that there are a few shyster judges who are really hoping that their bodyguards are up to snuff. May Terri find peace.

There is something very wrong with our society, that we would not allow the feeding tube re-inserted. Our society is sick, and needs to be cared for. I just pray G-d has more mercy on us than we had on Terri.

Terri inspires me to be a better person.

RepJ... I've got chills reading that. I think you may have nailed it precisely. Bless her soul.

#168 Jheka:

Anything you'd like to make more obvious by simply confessing to it, rather than pretending to be a (self-appointed) moderator?

And look who popped in to (yet again) defend the dirtbag "husband"--what took you so long Powderfinger?

150 Pajamahadin

I think I know why Schiavo suddenly changed his mind about no autopsy. The coroner's report is probably already written.

A summary of highlights from the report at The Empire Journal:

County Sheriff Everett Rice hired Michael Schiavo before joining the Florida House of Representatives
Rice repeatedly refused to investigate allegations of abuse against Terri Schiavo on the part of Michael Schiavo
Rice is personal friends with Judge Greer
Rice has engaged in support of Greer's reelection campaign in ways that violate Florida Statutes
Everett Rice and George Felos have served on the board of directors of the Hospice of Florida Suncoast, the corporation which operates the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park where Terri Schiavo is a resident.
Terri Schiavo's admittance to Woodside Hospice was not done with proper certification or required legal declaration of her being terminal.

#177 blue_like_jazz
welcome ;-)

George Felos on the Jewish people, their historic suffering, and the Holocaust...

‘The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age... If our minds can conceive of an uplifting Holocaust, can it be so difficult to look another way at the slights and injuries and abuses we perceive were inflicted upon us?’

This must come as a great relief to Yochanan and bigel. Their relatives weren't murdered by the Nazis, they agreed (via their collective Jewish conciousness) to die. The holocaust wasn't genocide, it was a transcendent act of nobility.

If Terri had been classified a "terrorist" she'd be alive today!

and someone I`d detested before (Jesse Jackson), has went up a lot in my estimation for his apparently hearfelt actions.

Sucker...

When has Jesse Jackson ever done anything that didn't serve first his passion for publicity and self-promotion?

I think Powederfinger was on the wrong side of the issue, but unlike the vultures like the ghouls Octopus and the aptly named "Murder", he didn't resort to insults and ad hominems in his posts.

Not a troll, IMHO.

BabbaZee
Yeah, nothing like people walking into a wake and picking fights.
One good, we all know we wouldn't want a Court adjudicating our estates... clearly we must make our wishes known for ourselves too.

#195 Dirk Diggler
you mean I am my own personal jesus?
oy.

#187

I can understand doing it for family, so following that logic one would let the family be with Terri as she passed you know "just did it for family".

Michael excuse is like an a@@hole...

#200 Peacekeeper
unbelievable.

American Infidel -
thanks

felos is the devil in all of this. HE is the one who needs a bodyguard.

and #193 ed... i am sorry to say that i think you're right on this one. they should have an independent (read: NOT FROM FLORIDA) person come in to do the autopsy.

Terri is at peace now, and her maker will welcome her home. We can do no more for her. She was welcomed home as an innocent. We can take comfort in the fact that Mike Schiavo, George Felos, Judge Greer and others will have to live with what they have done to her for the rest of their lives and will someday face a Judge much more powerful than themselves.

Rest in peace Terri. May some good come out of all this trauma.

#172 zonekeeper

Dude, you've got to put a spew atop a post like that. If I'm a troll, you're a genius.

#196

Great point, the rags in Gitmo recieved better treatment in the American courts.

Sad day.

#196 - exactly - or a mass murderer.

If she were a mass murderer the leftists would be the one whining.

To some LGF posters-->>>

You were too dumb fat and lazy to figure out that this case stinks and is built on the lies of Michael Schiavo. His bullshit claim that Terri would not want to live this way.

Terri lived for 13 days which shows this to be damnable lie. I believe Terri, not M Schiavo

Wake up!

#175 Powderfinger

But the courts in Florida ruled that it was Terri's wish to not live like she did. That generated the same type of paper like a living will and yet we see so many that believe these living wills have no place in our society. The fact that they exist make us Dutch.

We are going to see a lot of legislation in the coming years. Some states will be open to living wills and some will disregard them all together.

Why should Mrs. King have less rights than Bob and Mary Schindler? If she wants him to live, why should the state put him to death? Why should we even consider ones wishes when life and death are involved?

...31 MAR 05 1020EST
Woke up after 10 1/2 hours much needed sleep. Apparently Terri Schiavo died minutes ago. Starved to death over a span of two weeks not because she was dying, not because she was unloved, but because she was inconvenient. 'Schiavo' will now enter the language.

Another gomer dead... nothin' to see here, folks...now move along.

Rest in peace, Terri.

#195 Dirk Diggler

I may be ill after reading that.

Glenn Back is making great points. We basically gave one judge the right to kill a handicapped person.

Should have converted Terri to Islam, she was only a catholic. Then the family could play the racist card.

#160
Is it so hard to comprehend that, with all the contradictory reports and accusations, someone might genuinely not wish to take a stance on the issue, based on his inability to truly know what was going on? Why is that cowardly?
As a fence-sitter myself, I find disturbing your suggestion that there is only one valid viewpoint, and everyone else are a bunch of death cultists.

#154 Powderfinger

Have any of y'all considered the possibility that Michael really was doing as he says he was doing by fulfilling Terri's wishes? Does anyone think it's even remotely possible that she actually did tell him that she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive like that, and the fact the she said it to him without putting it in writing didn't make a bit of difference to him?

Yes. I have. One - no - THE - problem I have with this case is that the reports are so contradictory. Nurses saying Terri could swallow, scans show broken bones, yada yada yada. If I know anything, it's that about this case I don't know a damn thing.

But even assuming that Michael Schiavo truly believed he was acting in Terri's best interests, I still have a problem.

Life is a gift. Other people who loved Terri were willing to care for her. WHY FORCE DEATH? Why?

Terris' Law will have to be passed to prevent anything like this happening again.

#195, Dirk Diggler. Add George Felos to the list with Judge Greer as star members of the Roland Freisler Judicial Fan Club.

#210 American Infidel
thanks again

with all due respect to charles, THIS thread should have been named "outrage of the day".

#183 BabbaZee

Hear, hear. Everyone chooses to approach this from a different perspective. I for one cannot help but approach it from a medical one. To some that may make me cold and clinical, but I'm just uncomfortable, very uncomfortable, with letting myself be ruled by raw emotion. I have not attacked anyone here, nor will I do so, as I have no right to criticize anyone on deeply held beliefs. I can only speak for myself.

powderfinger is not a troll

After reading through the comments up til now, I can see what Nietzsche meant when he said "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster." We spent so much time on here laughing at the Left for turning on their own in the wake of Nov 2nd, yet here we are, turning on anyone who doesn't consider this "judicial murder."

207, don't attempt to match wits with me. I don't pick deep fights with unarmed people. I know who/what you are, I know many people just like you. I simply choose to communicate on your level. I also know when to cease suffering fools. Your time is now.

#34

Kim H.

And may YOU get what's coming to you for harboring such evil and malicious thoughts about her mom and dad. Clearly, you're a pretty nasty human specimen. You can get away with that kind of shit here on Earth for 70 or so years but, sweetie, you're gonna be judged by a whole different set of rules when they're over.

After a statement like that, you really only have 2 options:

1. hope there is no God or an afterlife;
2. ask God for forgiveness.

I'd advise you to do the latter, and quick.

#202 CommonSense

Giving her pain killers near the end for the family's peace of mind...maybe more like for their own peace of mind.

Guilt is pretty hard to live with..

Powerfinger: I think they are going to change the Law about who has say if no papers are written or just who has say. Its my opinion that the second there is even a separation between husband and wife...the POWER goes back to lucid PARENTS of the Adult Child and or Adult Children of the Parent stuck in this situation.

I think it makes sense. Read what happened to me. The woman my uncle married...long story..he didn't want to...but got stuck in a situation and had to...made all the decisions..and I'm sitting there, watching MY BLOOD RELATIVE..MY BELOVED UNCLE ...die and could do NOT ONE THING about it.

I was the only Blood Relative in the City at the time. I wanted to have him treated aggressively...SHE didn't cause she didn't want him to live Thur it. Incidently...she was married before the year was UP. Theres more to THAT story as well.

She wanted him DEAD and she accomplished it.

I saw kind of thing with another person..A neighbor. Husband dropped on the floor with heart attack or stroke around 2PM...she didnt call the Ambulance till FOUR HRS later. By the time this guy to to medical treatment he was pay past saving. She hated him, and told me so..before this incident..and...well...Its a common practice I think. Its murder but you cant prove it.

Many of the same posters here have in the past called for the disinegration of whole Iraqi cities as opposed to our current strategy regardless of the collateral deaths of women and children now call for the damnation to hell of those that would have a brain damaged women removed from artifical procedures that kept her alive. I am sure you think God will see the difference.

I hope someone keeps up with how Michael Schaivo's life and financial situation improves in the days to come. I don't believe that he has no money coming out of this. He is a heartless bastard.

May you behold the face of G-D, Teri.

Rest in Peace, Terri!

#223 beblebrox
Medical mind, a ? - wouldn't a PET scan been able to clarify her condition enormously? - why didn't the court order that?

#218 grayp

Life is a gift. Other people who loved Terri were willing to care for her. WHY FORCE DEATH? Why?

Well, IF her "husband" and the other witnesses are telling the truth, he is simply carrying out her wishes.

If.

Powderfinger--May as well give it up, man. It's a lost cause, in this forum. Might have better luck trying to convince them that the Dutch have the right idea...

The facts of this case are clear, but they don't want to hear them. The lies and emotions have taken over, and it's a lynch-mob, out for Michael's hide and anyone who gets in their way. Another good example of why we like to live under the rule of law, instead of "the old way."

Would you have people who've been accusing you of murder and every other heinous act under the sun, with you at the bedside of your dying wife?

RIP, Terri. You didn't deserve being made a spectacle of, in your dying days.

#230 American Infidel
shucks. Some only find me to be a wise-ass! ;-)

231 Dman

That post was bullshit. Prove it with links or STFU.

So, Crusader, you have that list of names, or are you satisfied with innuendo?

I don't know the details of the PA case, but if a man who knew he was dying of Alzheimers actually put something in writing that said he didn't want a feeding tube, that is most certainly different from a bigamous husband, who may or may not have had something to do with the initial brain injury, deciding that a young/middle aged woman who wasn't dying, didn't deserve to live.

BTW, if Michael Schiavo was all about doing the best for Terri Schindler-Schiavo, how do we explain sworn statements from caregivers who said he wouldn't permit simple things like tooth-brushing or range of motion therapies so her finger nails wouldn't gouge into her palms, or the sworn statement that he once said to his new commonlaw wife "why won't this bitch die already".

I suppose the nurses might be lying, but who has the greater motive to lie?

#234 BabbaZee

I couldn't agree with you more. A PET scan was definately in order. My only thought is that those on both sides had agendas well beyond the particulars of this case and a quick resolution may have put one or the other in a difficult position.

#239 Jheka:

Are you uncomfortable about something?

232 Carolyn--for the last time: there is no money left, from the insurance settlement. Michael has nothing to gain from Terri's death, monetarily.

He has plenty to gain, imho, in terms of finding closure to what must have been a horrific 15 years. I hope he makes out okay, in the rest of his life.

Those who are calling for him to be assassinated, are on report to the FBI. Just thought you should know.

O/T:

The pregnant version of DU vs. LGF. Pretty amusing stuff.

May God receive her into His glory.

#243 beblebrox
'swhat I figured, too.

#236
"The facts of this case are clear"

The fact of WHAT? That hearsay is truth?
I dont agree..they are far from clear.

#244 Crusader:

Not in the least. I have stated my views on this issue explicitly.

#218
I tend to agree.
But, if it truly was Terri's wish... then I don't know.
I'm glad so many here have decided they are moral arbiters for a case whose legal complexity few understand and whose "facts", as reported by the media, the parties, and various interest groups, are contradictory and fuzzy at best. Takes so much pressure off us mere mortals.

And anyone accuses me of trollism, I suggest you look at my past postings.

dig you, dingbat!

More on 'Curious' Felos,

Felos describes his spiritual beliefs as syncretistic religion, mixing elements of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Native American ceremonial practices. In Litigation as Spiritual Practice's introduction, he declares, "evolution of consciousness is our ultimate salvation."

Bubble-headed nonsense masking itself as 'spirituality'.

And the media has the temerity to lampoon Ms. Schiavo's pro-life supporters as 'freaks'.

Those who are calling for him to be assassinated, are on report to the FBI. Just thought you should know.

RE: my 252

#248 BabbaZee

Glad I'm not the only cynic here.

Michael has nothing to gain from Terri's death, monetarily

Yeah, and if he doesn't come out with a book or make money from speaking engagements, I'll eat my laptop.

#82 jheka

Noted.

#245 octopus:

I don't know about that. Let's just say that I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a book out within 6 months or so ... and maybe a movie deal.

Here's a question: Which network will be the first to have a Terri Schiavo movie? I'm thinking Fox but I could be wrong.

#245 octopus, we'll see, won't we?

RIP Terri. I can't honestly say this is not a relief for me, to know that the woman is no longer suffering.

I'm not worried about Michael or his lawyer or the judge. They'll receive all that they deserve when the time comes. I have faith in that. Though, I would have to call it poetic justice if his church forbids him to marry over this.

#253 Dirk Diggler
sounds like the crap the national socialists adopted

#219 hornet

And what do you think Terri's law will contain?

Will it remove a spouse's right to make decisions for an incapacitated loved one?

Will it read, "in the event that no living will exists, any close family member (I define close family as spouse, parents, children over 18, siblings over 18) may assume care for the incapacitated individual."

If such a law existed, The Schindler's could have just assumed responsibility for Terri's care and she would be alive today.

But just consider this possibility before you pass Terri's law.

A man has a heart attack and the supply of oxygen to his brain is cut off and severe brain damage occurs. His wife (his second) wants to end all life support for him. But a grown daughter from his first marriage wants to keep him alive. It seems that when he ran away with the second wife, he left his first family in a bad way. The daughter wants to torture her father for what he did. Are you in favor of the continued torture of this man because a close family member wants it?

As with all laws passed for a specific incident, unknown consequences are bound to occur.

If one is an atheist I can see why nothing about this phases you. I for one accept that the world is a broken place, and we commit various sins every day.
As for the many people involved in this debacle the ones with whom I disagreed, I hope that they discover in time the errors they have made. I do not call for the damnation of or persecution of them nor should any of you.

#195 Dirk Diggler: That Felos guy is effed up.

Peacekeeper: I did consider the possibility that Michael was carrying out Terri's wishes, but it just didn't add up for me. The timing (after the $1 million settlement and the new girlfriend) is highly suspicious. I absolutely do not begrudge him the chance to move on with his life, but I fail to see why that had to mean Terri had to die. He could have divorced her and let her parents take care of her, but he didn't. That's what I find so upsetting.

Rest in Peace Terri.

...as for Michael Shithole, you can't hide from Karma.

Now the Liberal Loony Left's plan to save Social Security and Medicare is plain for all to see: The "Schiavo treatment" for those who fall gravely ill.

Keep your private medical insurance, folks.

#255 beblebrox
my surname translates from German into "the cynic" or "the doubter"

Generic inheritance... ;-)

241 Ed--it's heinous lies like this one, that are spread all over the internet inflaming the ignorant, that give the internet a bad name.

BTW, if Michael Schiavo was all about doing the best for Terri Schindler-Schiavo, how do we explain sworn statements from caregivers who said he wouldn't permit simple things like tooth-brushing or range of motion therapies so her finger nails wouldn't gouge into her palms, or the sworn statement that he once said to his new commonlaw wife "why won't this bitch die already".

Prove those lies true, with valid links, or stop repeating them.

Good luck!

Ghoul-

Maybe I missed it, but where did any LGF poster make an explicit threat against the scumbag Schiavo or his ghoul lawyer?

#256

Don't forget the movie rights

Someone has to, ibn Abu. The law is not and cannot be a moral arbiter. The law must be concerned only with itself if it is to be effective, and cannot pay attention to the questions of good and evil.

Someone has to stand up and say "This is wrong and must stop", or it will continue to extremes undreamed of. And if I have to endure bullshit posts like this one from the likes of you to stop the snowball, then I'll gladly do it.

generic?
genetic!

#231

Many of the same posters here have in the past called for the disinegration of whole Iraqi cities as opposed to our current strategy regardless of the collateral deaths of women and children now call for the damnation to hell of those that would have a brain damaged women removed from artifical procedures that kept her alive. I am sure you think God will see the difference

Exactly..welcome to the Little Green Brownshirts world of hypocrisy

#229 vickie

It's now clear that you have to be a fool to not put your wishes in writing, as this new Pennsylvania case proves.

Anytime a decision winds up being made by a third party, there's always going to be room to criticize it. If your wishes are in writing, they should be followed, period.

No muss, no fuss, just self-determination to the end, as it should be in America.

259 Carolyn--yes, we will. And we aren't counting the book and movie offers, are we? You know that crap's going to come along, like snow in late November.

264 doppleganglander

? I said nothing about Michael Schiavo or his motivations.

Warm summer sun,
Shine kindly here,

Warm southern wind,
Blow softly here.

Green sod above,
Lie light, lie light.

Good night, dear heart,
Good night, good night.

#267 BabbaZee

It's a shame, isn't it? If yone assumes the worst in our fellow man, one is seldom dissapointed.

Oops, my #264, should have been addressed to Powderfinger, not Peacekeeper. My apologies.

the prez gave terri like 20 seconds of mention in his speech.

#241 Ed

Right On! As Vincent Bugliosi has said," who has the conciousness of guilt?" Look at Michael Schiavo's actions, not his words.

Judge a society on how it treats it's weakest citizens. Our sociey has been judged, and has been found lacking.

Ghoul-

I didn't find them on the internet, I heard them on Glenn Beck's show about a week ago.

Affadavit of Heidi Law (pdf file)

Affadavit of Carla Iyer.

Lo and behold, that darned internet allowed me to find the sworn affadavits.

Ghoul.

#258 Jheka

I think CBS will the the first with a fake but accurate made for TV movie.

#240 AI

What you say is reasonable.

But at the same time, it's conceivable that the folks "on the scene", so to speak, are better acquainted with the true facts than we, who have been getting them filtered through media, churches, etc. are.

An example: I've heard it reported that Terri's parents said they would keep her alive by any means, even quadruple amputations (not sure under what context that came up or why that would be necessary). Is it true? I don't know- I didn't hear them say it personally. If it is true, it suggests to me that, while well-meaning, they are not really acting in a manner consistent with what they believe her wishes would be.

And I think it's conceivable, as the court believed, that Michael Shiavo actually has Terri's wishes in mind. It's totally plausible to me that he spent seven years hoping that her condition could be improved, and then gave up hope and switched course based on what he believed his wife would want. As far as him shacking up, well, I can't judge him. I've never been in his position and I'm not sure what I would do in it as far as that goes. He was a young man when she went into a coma and I don't think it's outrageous that he wanted to have a family and a life, while still trying to tend to her.

Point is, I don't know what is going on in this case. No news report has successfully clarified the issues. In fact, it's in the interests of the media to stir up as much controversey as possible before moving on to their next cause celebre.

And since I know that the vast majority of people who express very strong opinions one way or the other on this case have no access to better information than I do, I find their certainty, and their hatred for Michael Schiavo (to the point of advocating and threatening his death) disturbing.

Brityankee,

you low rent piece of trash, driving by to soil a thread about a helpless woman's death with your DU garbage.

SHAME.

#273, brityankee, Yes we are a very eclectic bunch at times. Thanks and fuck you very much.

#278 beblebrox
people are "born" inherently neutral at best, I believe, and if left to their own devices will degenerate into evil behavior rather quickly. All the fools who run arounding spewing "people are basically good" will soon be the proud owners of colorful felt chicken hats.

#280 blue_like_jazz

That might be because this speech was planned to speak about the report concerning intelligence agencies screw-ups.