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Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 1:41:02 pm PST

I just received this press release from Charles Jacobs at The David Project, regarding Columbia University’s shamefully biased report exonerating their Arabist professors from wrongdoing:

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Press Release
The David Project
March 31, 2005
Contact: Dr. Charles Jacobs, President

David Project Reacts to Columbia Report on Student Harassment

“Biased committee ignores facts, protects its own”

Responding to the just-released report of Columbia University’s Grievance Committee headed by Vice President of Arts and Sciences Nicholas Dirks, Charles Jacobs, President of the David Project in Boston, issued the following statement:

“This is a biased report by a biased committee which ignored the facts to protect its own. We expected an unfair report from a committee composed of friends and colleagues — and even a thesis advisor — of the professors it was supposed to investigate. But the report is disgraceful, beyond our expectation. The Dirks Committee failed President Bollinger, who only a few days ago told the press that Columbia professors cannot ‘use the podium as an ideological platform to indoctrinate a captive audience.’

“The Committee considered only three incidents of professors harassing students worthy of investigation. We know there were many more. It projected blame for the problems on outside forces.

“While the Committee judged the testimony of Professor Joseph Massad not truthful – he was charged with shouting at a student, “If you’re going to deny the atrocities being committed against Palestinians, then you can get out of my classroom!” — the report so gently chided him (“...his rhetorical response to her query exceeded commonly accepted bounds...”) that his wrist may not register the ‘slap.’

“The Dirks Committee report tries to silence dissenting professors, upbraiding whistleblowers on the faculty who help students report abuse by other professors.

“The report admits the University Administration was insensitive, inconsiderate, and even antagonistic to students who complained that anti-Israel professors harassed them. And it admits that students had no effective means to register complaints. But it reduced a major academic scandal to only these narrow bureaucratic foul-ups.

“Most importantly, the Dirks Committee obfuscates the main issue: the teaching of lies and propaganda by Arabist professors who so demonize Israel that defenders of the Jewish state find themselves in a hostile environment in their classes.

“The report obfuscates by referring to incidents of biased, dishonest teaching in pedagogical and psychological terms. It classes them as ‘rhetorically combative’ methods or as expressions of ‘uncongenial views’ that — and the issue is reduced to this — make some students ‘uncomfortable.’ But the committee never considers the possibility that these ‘teachings’ are lies and propaganda. When Professor Massad teaches that the word ‘Zion’ means ‘penis’ and therefore Zionism is a macho movement, this is not an uncongenial view, but a lie. When at Columbia it is taught that the Jews are Nazis and the Palestinians are the new Jews, and that the Jews slaughtered Arabs in Jenin, these are not ‘rhetorically combative’ modes of teaching; they are blood libels, anti-Semitic provocations, deceptions, and Arabist propaganda.

“These issues will only fester if ‘investigated’ by friends of the offending professors, many themselves anti-Israel activists, circling the wagons. The only question is: What will Lee Bollinger do to restore academic integrity?”

The David Project, which promotes a fair and honest discussion of the Middle East Conflict, produced the film, “Columbia Unbecoming.”

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1 kjo  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:43:33am

Lee Bollinger will do exactly nothing. That's what he did in Ann Arbor for years, allowing the lefty crazies to take over the administration.

2 DCMC  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:43:35am

Who knew that Columbia would try to cover this up?

3 Pooh  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:49:27am

The answer to this farce is simple:

Not one cent more of Jewish money to Columbia until a proper investigation is held and Lee Bollinger is fired.

Seventy years ago, Bollinger would have been defending professors who supported Hitler. He truly is a despicable wretch.

4 world turned upside down  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:49:39am

We must "push back" against these bastards. Does the Left cynically see its own hypocracy or are they blind to it. Do they tolerate their lack of ethics to serve the greater good, or are they blind to their darkness?

5 cicadajoe  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:49:42am

Spinelessness is the key to climbing the ladder in a "University" setting. Congrats to Columbia U for a classic cover-up.

6 Final Historian  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:50:58am

Pope John Paul II is very ill, and last rites have been administered. His time among us is coming to a close.

7 Blue Chip  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:51:26am

“Most importantly, the Dirks Committee obfuscates the main issue: the teaching of lies and propaganda by Arabist professors who so demonize Israel that defenders of the Jewish state find themselves in a hostile environment in their classes.

"When at Columbia it is taught that the Jews are Nazis and the Palestinians are the new Jews, and that the Jews slaughtered Arabs in Jenin, these are not ‘rhetorically combative’ modes of teaching; they are blood libels, anti-Semitic provocations, deceptions, and Arabist propaganda. "

Sounds like the UN.

8 Terp Mole  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:51:27am

Someone tell biased UN Right-to-Food guru he's ignoring fact.

More Iraqis suffering now

Geneva - The war in Iraq and its aftermath have almost doubled malnutrition rates among many Iraqi children, a United Nations specialist on hunger has told the world's major human rights body.

Acute malnutrition rates among Iraqi children under five rose late last year to 7.7% from 4% after Saddam's ouster in April 2003, said Jean Ziegler, the UN Human Rights Commission's special expert on the right to food.

Down the bottom, the article finishes.

Ziegler did not mention the insurgency in Iraq, something often cited by aid groups.

When did food become a right?
What's next? U.N. commission on right to yaghts?

More on right-to-food Commissioner Jean Ziegler.

9 Promethea  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:51:47am

Thank G-d that people are standing up today and attacking the lies that are promoted in academic circles.

It will be interesting to see just what is needed before the winds of change shift again in these despicable universities that teach propaganda and hatred.

10 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:52:47am

Is there some kind of proclivity in Arab culture(s) that supports lying as a rhetorical device?

In the west, most of us are taught that lying is bad We certainly don't all succeed in telling the truth, but it seems that so many who rail against jews an westerners think that whatever might be believed is, by definition, THE TRUTH, and is usually self-serving.

Am I alone here?

11 danking70  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:53:09am

The David Project should just release their tapes to the media.

Well, except for the NY Times.

12 noshariaincanada  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:53:33am

Anyone know how to get the film "Columbia Unbecoming" online?

13 Monster Kabasue  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:55:34am

I would of been suprised if they admited any kind of wrong doing. Hell I am suprised at "bureaucratic foul-ups" these people are used to getting away with any thing they want, the law, and basic human right to have a different opinion mean nothing to these people. I wish I had money so I could not give it to them.

14 paxnhymn  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:56:09am

"What will Lee Bollinger do to restore academic integrity?"

The same thing that's been done so far...nothing...

(sounds of a broom quietly sweeping ther whole ugly mess under the rug)

15 Belize042  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:57:04am
What will Lee Bollinger do to restore academic integrity?

RESTORE: 1. To bring back into existence or use; reestablish
2. To bring back to an original condition

Hmm, sounds to me like it had to be there in the first place.

I'm just sayin'.

16 Gagdad Bob  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:57:50am

#10

You are correct. The Koran teaches that truth is a most precious commodity, which is why it should be used sparingly.

17 paxnhymn  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:58:41am

15 Belize

I stand corrected...

:-)

18 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:58:48am

# 2 DCMC

Why did you think they wouldn't try to cover it up?

# 10 eschew_obfuscation

Is there some kind of proclivity in Arab culture(s) that supports lying as a rhetorical device?

Yes. It's the souk mentality and it produces films like Jenin, Jenin.

The real question is when did the West (and specifially the Columbia administration) adopt it?

# 12 noshariaincanada

I mentioned this on one of the earlier threads tonight (it's nearly midnight here now). I sent an email to the person I know in Boston who's involved with it and am still waiting for a response.

19 Promethea  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:58:53am

#10 eschew . . .

Is there some kind of proclivity in Arab culture(s) that supports lying as a rhetorical device?

Actually, there is this proclivity, although it's not PC to say so--but I'm saying so.

David Pryce-Jones, "The Closed Circle," and Raphael Patai, "The Arab Mind"--two classic books looking at Arab culture--discuss the view among Arabs that lying is permissible.

Right now, I wouldn't feel free to say that "all Arabs think lying is permissible" because there is probably a difference in culture between actual traditional Arab culture, as exemplified by Bedouins and by Wahhabists (and by Muhammad) and by people who happen to live in Arab countries, but who aren't necessarily Arabs. However, the two books I mentioned are well worth reading.

20 aurelian  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 11:58:59am

This was a tremendously important victory for the Acadamedia, the full consequences of which we will only know many, many years from now.

Emboldened and in celebration, the Jew-haters at Columbia were out in droves today: there was a table decrying “the Zionist witch hunt” (triumphantly situated off of 116th street/College Walk); booksellers peddling vile Jew-hating trash on Broadway; and even more “Silenced by the David Project” stickers to be seen.

We’ve played our hand and come up empty. The Academy has circled the wagons and protected its own, and even managed to launch a blistering counter-attack under the guise of “protecting academic freedom.”

To my Jewish friends: be very, very careful. Tough times are ahead.

21 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:00:04pm

#16 Gagdad Bob

Are you serious?

I had no idea it was ensconced in theology!

Amazing!

22 J. Lichty  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:00:24pm

Pooh writes:

The answer to this farce is simple:

Not one cent more of Jewish money to Columbia until a proper investigation is held and Lee Bollinger is fired.

Unfortunately that is something that will fall on deaf ears. Israel's and America's left have managed to turn even well meaning liberal Jews in critics of any Israel that does not give the Arabs exactly what they want.

Jewish money will no longer run away from anti-jewish bigotry disguised as anti-zionism. Many American (and secular israeli) jews have taken up cause with their genocidal tormentors in the vein of John Kerry's ethos -- give them what they want and maybe they will like us.

The majority of American jews, still drunk from their Oslo accptance in polite society, believe that the Palestinians have the unalienable right to state and that Right Wing Sharon is an obstacle to the peace process that they never learned was a myth.

The Jews who would stand up to Colombia have already stood up to them and this is result. Even Anthony Wiener (D-NY) tried to intervene and he was rebuffed. You think this Saudi funded machine is gonna back down because Dershowitz as some harsh remarks? Not a chance.

Said is more powerful than the Constitution on that campus it will remain so, and leftist Jews will continue to flock there.

23 dhimmishelter  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:00:59pm

Self investigations of the Arabist profesoriate by a group that supports this same professoriate will invariably produce a whitewash such as this one. Ten years ago, we would have read about this investigation in the NYT (of course, 10 years ago, such an investigation would not have been conducted) and concluded that this intimidation, bullying, and anti-Jewish tirades were simply the imaginings of a few overly sensitive Jewish students.

I am grateful to LGF, talk radio, and other sources of internet jourmalism that won't allow this pattern of lies by Columbia and their Arabist masters to continue without challenge. The Arabist penchant for lying seems to be a character trait, and untreatable.

24 TotallySirius  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:01:30pm

Is there any legal recourse?

Could those students sue for something like fraud,they are paying for a service that is defective?

25 liberality  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:04:47pm

exonerating their Arabist professors from all wrongdoing

Wrong, the report clearly states Massad acted improperly in at least one credible incident.

26 Gagdad Bob  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:06:40pm

If Zion means "penis," this would go a long way toward explaining the pervasive Arab envy of Israel.

27 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:08:30pm

Gagdad Bob, Carl in Jerusalem, and Promethea...

Thanks folks...that was enlightening to say the least!

28 Charles  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:08:55pm

I've offered to show "Columbia Unbecoming" at LGF; it's up to the students who made it.

From what I understand, the film does not contain footage of professors speaking. It's primarily interviews with students.

29 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:09:45pm
When Professor Massad teaches that the word ‘Zion’ means ‘penis’ and therefore Zionism is a macho movement, this is not an uncongenial view, but a lie.


And, of course, Philistine, the word that the Romans modified to "Palestine", means itchy, inflamed hemmorhoids.

30 Patmos  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:10:42pm

Time to cut off the money. Only thing that will work. Will donors care enough?

31 Beagle  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:11:54pm

What Promethea said,

David Pryce-Jones, "The Closed Circle," and Raphael Patai, "The Arab Mind"--two classic books looking at Arab culture--discuss the view among Arabs that lying is permissible.

Arab culture does not produce scientifically creative minds. But when it comes to regurgitation and propaganda, yowza!

I guess for the NYT to have shame would require them to have standards based in fact and valuing the truth. A lack of hubris would help a great deal also.

"Maybe this will just go away?"

-- Columbia, Academic Left, Jew-haters, NYT and their crack team of useful idiots (no really, they are on a crack team - see, Jayson Blair)

"Of course not!"

-- Charles, and the Blogosphere

32 norar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:11:55pm

#8 Terp Mole

UN Human Rights Commission's special expert on the right to food

I'm sure we'll hear this same "special expert's on the right to food" opinion on the Schiavo case any moment now.

Any data on the children nutrition from Indian Ocean tzunami area since the UN took over? They did take over, no?

33 Hypothesis  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:13:06pm

I must say that as a college student this worries me. A lot. I do not want to go to college and have to deal with a liberal professor trying to cram lies down my throat. I do not want his or her political agenda to determine my grade.

I am also wondering just why the Jews receive so much flak from so many different people. Is it just because they have a history of being prosperous businessmen?

34 J. Lichty  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:14:37pm

Is there some kind of proclivity in Arab culture(s) that supports lying as a rhetorical device?

This is a trait that is known in Arab culture, but its roots are Islamic. The concept of takkia, or tactical lying to an infidel is koranic in origins. Lying to gain advantage is expected in Arab's dealings with the infidel.


Here is a good description by former defeatist Israeli PM Ehud "how much more can I give you" Barak about his dealings with the Palestinians.

35 kjo  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:15:41pm

Can anyone tell me why American Jews continue to support the Democrat Party and other left-wing groups the way they do? Don't they get it? Don't they see that many of the top people in that Party hate them and Israel?

Yet they continue to vote year after year for Gore and Kerry. OK, the Dems say all the right things during an election year, but look at that Party and where they stand the rest of the time.

Who do you think Bollinger voted for last year? I bet it wasn't Bush.

36 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:19:00pm

Hypothesis

I wish I had a good answer for you, but it seems that ever since G*d decided to make the Israelites his chosen people, the rest of the world has had its nickers in a wringer.

I think the Jews are fascinating, industrious, intelligent, humerous, and entirely enjoyable as a people...

(as am I. of course!) ;)

37 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:20:53pm

34 J. Lichty

Except that Arabs lie to themselves much more than they lie to us.

I think it has a logic in Islam, but I'm not sure if it has scriptural support (thought I think it has). Obviously if God wants you to be at war with Infidels, it's important to make sure that all references to infidels are designed to incite hatred. And (if you read Arab newspapers) you'll find that all references to foreigners ARE designed to incite hatred.

But it also dovetails to the needs of the totalitarian political systems which are the only ones Arabs (outside of Iraq) create. If the Arab street wasn't taught to HATE us they might want to BE LIKE us and that would be the end of Hosny Mubarek et al.

38 Blue Chip  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:21:08pm

#35 kjo
Can anyone tell me why American Jews continue to support the Democrat Party and other left-wing groups the way they do? Don't they get it? Don't they see that many of the top people in that Party hate them and Israel?


I see this on a regular basis. Towns like Brookline, Newton, Wellsley (All in Greater Boston and large Jewish populations) seem to subscribe to this left wing mind set.

I don't get it either. What am I missing?

39 Heraclius  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:21:43pm

Is it true that 75% of American jews voted kerry?

40 BLUESTAR  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:23:04pm

Charles, you are correct, the film is a collection of Columbia
MELAC students who tell of their confrontations with Arab propagandists posing as scholars. Their accounts will make
your skin crawl. My synagogue is screening the film on April 13th, and having Rachel Fish as the keynote speaker.

The producers sent me a DVD to preview. It is a strong
indictment of the leftist/jihadi mentality that has Columbia in its
grip.

Kudos to you for posting this story and exposing the bias
of the investigative committee.

41 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:24:37pm

This situation is the David committee's fault. By not going public with their video proof of the problem they got the old lefty shuffle and got swept under the academic rug- right next to the ideas that communism doesn't work and Truman was justified in using the bomb.

By not setting the parameter of the debate, they allowed others to do so. Modern academia reveres PC over truth every day of the week so the David project got stuffed.

I know they mean well but video is worth 10000 words.

42 Bob's Kid  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:29:27pm

If every Jewish alum stopped writing checks, think they'd notice?

I do.

43 Beagle  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:29:28pm

#33 Hypothesis

I do not want to go to college and have to deal with a liberal professor trying to cram lies down my throat.


Good luck with that. I, like you, mainly hoped they wouldn't grade us on repeating back their propaganda. Boy was I wrong.

Some day - God willing - some brave people will take this argument up to the graduate and law schools. Law school was a minefield of opinionated leftists. Having said that, one of my best professors is now in the House of Representatives (D-GA). A few other good profs were openly to the Left. Bias does not always translate to unfairness, but it always does when someone won't admit their bias. If an academic claims objectivity, or that everyone is equally dogmatic, look out.

Now that the textbooks and major scholars are PC-Left it is going to get more and more difficult to find balance. The academic struggle (you know, like a jihad ;-) ) for balance and fairness has many avenues to travel in the future. At least it's nice to see the colleges being held to account in some circles - finally! David Horowitz has been out front on this for years.

44 bunuel  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:32:08pm

The question whether or not it is good for the Jews should be secondary by now. The main one is: is it good for higher learning anywhere anytime this sort of charlatan low grade professorising?

45 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:33:47pm

Dear David Project,

The whitewash report is the direct consequence of the video not being there to refute the report apriori.

I know you tried to be mentches but you are dealing with the seamline of academic honesty, Israel. There is nothing the intellectually dishonest will not do to discredit Israel.

They say a neo-conservative is liberal who got mugged. Welcome aboard!.

AG

46 Beagle  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:34:27pm

#33 Hypothesis

I am also wondering just why the Jews receive so much flak from so many different people.

In antiquity in Europe it related to Christendom's effort to sever Jesus from having been Jewish. Similarly, Islam claims Jesus. The Jews, who have Jesus like it or not, don't always claim him. Madonna, I mean Esther, same deal. Double ;-).

47 Outsider  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:35:14pm

Has the film been released to the general public yet?

If not so, now is as good a time as any.

48 gymnast  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:36:20pm

Just another example of the rot that pervades the academy from the top to the bottom, and more often than not the issue of such rot is corrupted.

49 2X4 wielder  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:38:43pm

On Zion meaning penis (Jewschool.com):

They're written the same, but not pronounced the same. What Sheer seems to be referring too is the word "tsiun" (he's also a bit off on the meaning, IMO, but close enough) while Zion is pronounced "tsion". AFAIK, the two words do not share any meaning. As for the slang term for "penis" MAssad is referring to, it's spelled differently and pronounced "zayin" (like the letter, probably because of its shape).
Eyal • 10/29/04 02:06am

Tziyon ("Zion") and zayin only sound similar in English.
Steg (dos iz nit der [sh]teg) • 10/29/04 04:52am

Also, Tziyon is accented on the O, and zayin is accented on the A.
Steg (dos iz nit der [sh]teg) • 10/29/04 04:53am

50 legalpad  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:38:55pm

#8 Terp Mole
I wondered where & how the UN-expert got his unlikely data, since the UN is afraid of even being in, much less traveling around in Iraq. One of my sons was guarding a UN headquarters in Baghdad - but with no U.N. personel in it.


hypothesis-
check my early the next morning response to your military query #486 on Wednesday open thread

51 Beagle  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:42:01pm

#34 J. Lichty

This is a trait that is known in Arab culture, but its roots are Islamic.


Deception in Arab-Bedouin culture is older than deception in Islam. It dovetails nicely.

52 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:48:33pm

51 Beagle
What do you say to my observation #37 that this is an example of the sort of lies Arabs tell themselves as incitement more than the sort of lies that Arabs tell their enemies to decieve them.

53 southernms.  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:51:21pm

I am excited to see students standing up for themselves. As a student (older), I have see professors all the time using their classes as soapboxes and I also see more and more often, students are complaining and filing complaints with administration. Believe me more and more colleges and universities are paying very close attention to what happens at places like Columbia.
And those students at Columbia, keep the heat on. It can and often does pay off.

54 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:53:18pm

Elevated thundershowers developing in dry, stable air west of dryline that has pushed east of I-35 corridor.

Once these reach the humid air of east Texas and root into the boundary layer, they should quickly become severe and possibly drop tennis ball sized hail.

55 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:53:28pm

# 43 Beagle

Law school was a minefield of opinionated leftists.

Was it ever. I went to NYU Law, which was probably the most LLL Law School in the country in the 80's. And the longer I was there, the more right wing I became.

I was JD/MBA, so I didn't take all the normal second year courses in my second year (some of them were put off to the 4th year). But I'll never forget the night some poor soul from my first year section approached me in the law library and begged me to help her try to explain to these people why the denizens of Skokie, Illinois (my wife's home town, and yes I was married by then) might have been offended by a parade of Nazis.

My last exam in law school was in Criminal Procedure and I took it Credit/Fail. Two thirds of the way through the exam, I realized that I had convicted every single criminal on the exam. And since I feared the professor was an LLL (I hadn't been to class enough to know), I started acquitting people to make sure I would pass...

56 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:53:44pm
57 soup  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:54:41pm

OT

Please go and look at this great photo gallery from Iraq. I have never seen many of the pictures, and they will make you smile:

[Link: www.pbase.com...]

58 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:55:56pm

This, along with NR's caving to Muslim pressure, has been a bad week for the right to tell the truth and the right to be a Jewish student at a major university without fear of intimidation or indoctrination by one of these terror apologists and liars.

One would not expect the leftie assholes at Columbia to come completely clean and critique their own, but this report was such an abject disgrace, even the Village Voice could see it coming. And, of course, to blame the Jews for the bigotry of others is nothing new. Didn't they say that the Germans will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust?

However, perhaps there is something of a bright side. As the Churchill saga has proven, if you shine a flare down a moon-bat cave, all sorts of strange things will start flying out.

All of these "Little Churchills" need to be exposed. Even if they survive, at least we can identify them and endeavor to steer our children elsewhere. We can also try to support David Horowitz and the Academic Bill of Rights.

59 mich-again  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:56:58pm

Lee Bollinger presided over the University of Michigan during the acrimonious battles over that school's affirmative action policies. His logic trying defend those policies was hard to follow then, but I can sum it up. "You dummies out there have no business questioning our methods or motives." He hasn't learned much between then and now.

60 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:57:12pm

OT -

Just got this in the mail:

SHARON'S RETREAT IS A VICTORY FOR TERRORISTS

Another must read from one of my favorite columnists, Jeff Jacoby.

61 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:57:58pm

56 ploome hineni

Article link? Book name?

Please?

62 Tim K  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 12:57:59pm

#29 Ed Mahood etc...

I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself.

I like that "Palestine" means itchy inflamed hemmorhoids.

Thank you. You made my day.

63 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:03:26pm

# 62 Tim K

I like that "Palestine" means itchy inflamed hemmorhoids.

I thought it meant an inflated scrotum...

64 ajackson  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:04:21pm

Up until the end of WW II, anti-semitism was rampant in American academia. Universities openly discriminated against Jewish students. Richard Feynman touches on this in his wonderful autobiography "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!". After WWII and the revelation of the Holocaust it became unfashionable in academic circles. I guess we've come full circle. Truly disgusting.

65 Tim K  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:13:00pm

#63 Carl in Jerusalem

You are probably a much better linguist than I will ever be. But could "Palistine" mean itchy inflamed hemmoroids with an inflamed Scrotum?
I assumed that you meant "inflamed" not "inflated" ?

66 Beagle  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:14:11pm

#52 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

What do you say to my observation #37 that this is an example of the sort of lies Arabs tell themselves as incitement more than the sort of lies that Arabs tell their enemies to decieve them.

Doesn't this sort of lie serve both interests? I answered a question with a question, sorry.

67 Belize042  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:16:21pm

#65 Tim K

Nooo! Not The Topic Which Must Not Be Named!

68 sms111  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:20:12pm

The Ivy League is now poison ivy.

Columbia is a special embarrassment.

Congratulations, Columbia!

What part of "Never Again" are Columbia's professors too stupid to understand?

(Oh, and to those academics there who one day wish the Jews will "go away" (be killed), rest assured many Jews don't share your views on gun control.

69 DCMC  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:20:12pm

Folks,

Columbia Unbecoming is so far not available to the general public, as far as I understand because the David Project doesn't want it just shown to anyone, who could easily make anti-Columbia Unbecoming movies, as well as the fact that some of the students have their faces obscured, even though their voices are audible - they don't want them to become targets. The transcript I think is available at [Link: www.columbiaunbecoming.com...]

Charles: I've seen it; it only contains students speaking, plus Rabbi Sheer who was the Jewish chaplain at Columbia for 34 years.

Reading the transcript is almost exactly the same as seeing it.

70 gymnast  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:21:04pm

#56, Ploome. Gertrude Bell or Freya Stark?

71 sms111  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:25:47pm

58 Darwin Akbar 3/31/2005 02:55PM PST

If you shine a flare down a moon-bat cave, all sorts of strange things will start flying out.

Brilliant line. Absolutely brilliant.

72 JavaMan  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:28:14pm

#57 - soup

Wonderful gallery! I kept thinking "No better friend, no worse enemy..."

73 neverpayretail  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:30:11pm

Regarding proclivity for deception in Arab/Islamic culture

It is all about control. That is the "ends" which justifies the "means". Islam controls minds and actions by controlling information. Deception is a means of control fully sanctioned by Islam, but only for Islam. In Arab culture everything is all about Islam.

Hence, the proclivity for deception. Control. Control. Control.

74 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:31:54pm

66 Beagle

Well it's important for us to understand that Arabs and others who get caught in a culture of hatred are caught in a culture that is transmitted though malicious lies and by teaching people to become transmitters and producers of malicious lies...

If we can shine some light of self counsciousness or self awareness on this we can interfere with the transmission of this hatred.

75 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:33:08pm
76 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:34:09pm
77 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:36:11pm

73 neverpayretail

I think you're missing the point that Islam teaches that God wants believers to be at war with unbelievers...

From this there is a logic. If God wants you to fight and kill unbelievers it's logical to assume that Hatred is necessary to further God's goals... Thus anything which promotes hatred of infidels is considered GOOD and Pious and anything which would promote peace, trust or admiration of infidels must be sinful and is discouraged...

Thus Muslims learn to produce malicious lies and incitement to hatred and violence just in order to be pious.

78 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:39:49pm

OT - Here's an interesting story...

The wife of Saudi Prince Mohamed Bin Turki Alsaud has been arrested in Boston and charged with forced labor, domestic servitude, falsifying records, visa fraud and harboring aliens.

The servents were reportedly paid $300 per month.

79 sixstringslinger  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:42:40pm

Whew. Yep, Charles Jacobs about sums it up.

OT:

Anybody read Victor Davis Hanson's interview today with an Arab journalist?

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

I want him on my debate team. He blows the idiots loaded, moronic questions right out of the water.

80 mardukhai  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:44:42pm

An idea:

Let's all drop ship an order of white paint to Columbia's president.

"Some white wash -- you apparently use a lot of it."

81 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:47:43pm
82 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:48:41pm

79 sixstringslinger

I'll be shocked if Al-watan prints those answers without (oops) mistranslating them.

83 Former SSG  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 1:52:25pm

I bow humbly to VDH, every time I read his articles. I would love to have that guy to dinner, and just listen.

84 mardukhai  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:09:30pm

I've been thinking it over --

Send President Bollinger cans of white wash!
Because he needs it.

And black cloth, because he might need a new
cover-up.

85 BPP  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:09:57pm

I have to say I'm somewhat conflicted by all this to a certain degree. I agree with all those who say that this report is a disgrace and a whitewash. The committee membership was stacked against the accusers, the conflicts of interest were rife and the report didn't examine all the accusations. Truly despicable.

But it's unclear in my mind whether this reflects anti-Zionism as much as institutional self-protection and arrogance. Clearly the committee was prepared to give the professors very wide leeway. And at the end of the day, the accusations were just hearsay - the student's word against the professor's.

My guess is that while there is no doubt some strong anti-Israel bias on that committee, what with several of them signing that atrocious divestment petition, in the end the greater factor was a bias towards believing the word and reputation of a faculty member rather than a student as well as a desire to protect the institution. This doesn't let Columbia off the hook, of course.

86 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:23:06pm
This situation is the David committee's fault. By not going public with their video proof of the problem they got the old lefty shuffle and got swept under the academic rug.

The film has been shown all over the country, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. It's less than an hour long, it was never meant for a movie theater screening.

87 The Bruce  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:24:12pm

Pooh: "The answer to this farce is simple: Not one cent more of Jewish money to Columbia until a proper investigation is held and Lee Bollinger is fired."

The answer to this is clear and it involves violence.

88 hari seldon  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:24:17pm

10 eschew_obfuscation

A great quote from the book "the Haj"

"And that day I learned the key to arab culture, it was me againist my brothers, my brothers and I against my father, my family against my cousions and the clan; the clan against the tribe and the tribe against the [muslim] world and all of us againist the Infidiel"

89 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:31:32pm
On Zion meaning penis (Jewschool.com):

Anyone remember the height of the Black Nationalist antisemitism about 15 years ago, when Public Enemy spokesmen and various professors would say that "jew" in the word "jewelry" shows how Jews love gold and money?

This liguistic stupidity reminds me of that.

90 neverpayretail  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:42:44pm

#77 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Thanks for the input. I think Islam has nothing to do with religion. Mo made the whole thing up to gain a following in order to build an empire. To keep people in the fold he needed a way to control them. It is from this motive that all the Islamic nonsense follows.

For the Nazis, the Aryan race is the master race. For the Islamist, Islam is the master religion. Both these groups just cooked up a system of belief, based on false but appealing premise, in order to gain control, and exercise that control for material gain.

91 Promethea  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:46:22pm

#65 Tim K . . .

I assumed that you meant "inflamed" not "inflated" ?

You're missing all the fun on an earlier thread. Check out the inflated scrotum haiku and other poetry. Scroll down.

I forget which thread, exactly, but someone reading this will know and tell you where to look.

92 Former SSG  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:49:13pm

New York Times in Cahoots with Columbia U is the thresd with the scrotum jokes and some very odd pics...

93 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 2:57:20pm

90 neverpayretail

"The master religion"

I'm going to remember that phrase in context. It draws a useful parallel.

94 LesLein  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 3:01:54pm

Is Gary Sick of "October Surprise" fame involved in this? He's connected with Columbias Middle East program. His involvement could explain a lot.

95 neverpayretail  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 3:23:51pm

#77 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

The parallels are numerous, as I am sure you are aware.

96 Yossarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 3:32:00pm

Columbia should be ashamed. This on the same day their undergraduate admissions come out (they waitlisted one of my most brilliant friends, not that he really wanted to go there anyway). I sure hope that most students considering going to Columbia take the blatant bias and intimidation tactics used by some of their professors into account. I considered applying to Columbia but decided against it because of this scandal--I want to study history, and I don't want to have to lie about being pro-Israel and conservative for the next 4 years.

hari seldon (#88): is "The Haj" good? I've read several others of Uris's but haven't read that one yet.

97 pragmatist  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 4:02:11pm

uh ... not just "Jewish" contributions should be
withheld from Columbia. All alumnae with
properly set moral compasses should refrain
from showing their financial support.

Perhaps the funds should be shifted to
Magen David Adom?

98 IowaInfidel  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 4:02:34pm

Ok, my breaking point has been reached. Where can I buy t-shirts in support of Israel? Not pro-IDF, just Israel is the good-guy kind of shirts. I want to wear my support on my sleeve.

Thanks to anyone with suggestions.

99 BRUTUS  Thu, Mar 31, 2005 4:42:37pm

Unless I am mistaken, students pay money to Columbia for the privilege of an education. That means there is a contract - offer, acceptance, consideration. Although I have not specifically read the admissions form, I assume that outright misrepresentations (lies) and propoganda could not reasonably be considered the "education" for which one would pay thousands of dollars.

In other words, this may be actionable.

100 mardukhai  Fri, Apr 1, 2005 12:21:52am

1300 posts on the Terry Schaivo thread, and 99 here.

Lizardoids, get a grip!

And yes, Brutus, it's actionable. But no one has the guts to do it.

101 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Wed, Apr 6, 2005 11:28:47am

That was one post too many


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