Is there no limit to the arrogance of George Soros and his ilk? Considering what it takes to call a constitutional convention, I doubt this will ever happen, but just the idea that they want to try it should disqualify them from positions of power for the rest of their natural lives.

"If progressives are to rehabilitate that Constitution..."

What's a progressive? This has got to be some kind of code word for...

Progressive = liberal = socialist = hang on to your wallet.

...mass-murdering-looting-piece-of-garbage?

New book says Islamists have infiltrated Washington

A new book claims that Islamists masquerading as moderates have insinuated themselves into the very fabric of American society, to the nation’s extreme peril. The book by Paul Sperry, a journalist, is called ‘Infiltration: how Muslim spies and subversives have penetrated Washington’. According to its promotional literature, “While Americans continue to promote cultural diversity and religious tolerance as society’s highest values, radical Muslims masquerading as ‘moderates’ have insinuated themselves into the very fabric of American society, to the nation’s extreme peril.” The book claims to reveal “how Islamic extremists, taking advantage of Americans’ blind trust, have been covertly working to destroy America’s constitutional government and the Judeo-Christian ethics on which the nation was built.” Those held responsible for the alleged Muslim “infiltration” of Washington are “the politically correct media, government, and citizens, who don’t fully understand the dangers of the Muslim faith.”

The adovocacy of socialism should be treated as nothing less as the incitment to commit acts of slavery and murder and dealt with as such.

I always thought that the advocates of socialism should be compelled to experience socialism from the victim's point of view.

Preferably at a convenient ditch outside of town.

When I think of rehabilitate, I imagine something debilitated that needs rehabilitated...to restore function...

I thought our Constitution was functioning fine. This all sounds so "revolutionary"

We'll be in the process of loosing our asses freedom wise before anything extreme happens in this country. The citizens on a whole are still happily napping. Dreaming of what next new car they'll be going into debt for, of that house they can't afford and how many more credit cards they can fit into their already overwhelmed and fat wallets.

PIMF!

advocacy!

#7 Iron Fist

want to control the masses? get a hold of their guns!

They're starting to make the militia movement's more radical pronouncements sound...almost reasonable...

It takes the LLL to do that!

One of the faculty sponsors, Drew Days, was Solicitor General in the Clinton administration. The Solicitor General represents the federal government is cases argued before the U.S. Supreme Court.

I'll stick with the 1787 version, thanks anyway...

We must articulate constitutional ideals capable of inspiring the next generation. Like killing it in the womb.

And it's come to light that Soros' “Open Society Institute” was a 1/3 funder of a group set up to pass McCain-Feingold.

Our free speech was bought by a Hungarian billionaire.

Now it looks like the Constitution is up for sale.

Thank God we have judges who put the law above their political agendas.

#16 Geepers

Thank God we have judges who put the law above their political agendas.

Yeah, good thing...

A second Bill of Rights?

We already have all the rights we need. They are inalienable, inherent in our existence, and require no enumeration in any document to validate them.

All rights reside in the people unless relinquished by them to the state by majority agreement.

Our government does not provide rights, it restricts them or protects them.

Sheesh. The perils of no longer teaching 'civics' (as the class was called when I was a young fart.

RTFC ("C" is for "Constitution") ("F" is for "Fabulous")

“progressive vision of what the Constitution should be"

What's wrong with it? Too much freedom in it for these socialists?

The stupidity of these people just boggles my mind!

"Rehabilitate the Constitution"?

No rehabilitation, please. Except for a few parts like the 16th amendment, I like it fine.

#1 doppelganglander If I read the article correctly, Soros is only the financial backer of one of several groups to attempt this.
Frankly, I wish I could attend, both as an attorney and an historian, my admiration for Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and the other founding fathers, and James Madison (who, with the "helpful" editing by Thomas Jefferson was responsible for the Bill of RIghts ) is almost boundless. I'd like to see the spirit of the founding fathers maintained.
The white Paper produced during the Reagan years (by the Reagan Justice Department) was really something to see.
Any discussion of our constitution is apt to be heated and differing views exchanged freely; just as was the case with the drafting of our current consititution.
Ok - this "policy of freedom wonk" is off to his accountant to see how badly the Feds, State and City are gonna gouge me this year!

Soros is a criminal who has been able to ooze around the halls of power due to his great (and largely misbegotten) wealth.

His, and those like him, agenda is to bring down the US system of government and replace it with a socialist system where the elite (wealthy, privelidged, and 'educated') protect the rabble from themselves because they know what is better.

Why exactly did he leave Hungary anyway? Oh yeah, a communist country that would never let him profit from his own work. Seems thier government wanted everyone think the same way, act the same way, believe what they were told without question, would accept no dissent fom their prevailing orthodoxy, and surrender all the fruits of thier labor to a small cabal of 'enlightened rulers', who would decide the 'common good'.

Does this not define sedition? Why would anyone lsiten to the POS after he caused enormous hardship for the average working stiff in the UK in the 80's with his attempt to bring deliberately down the Bank of England for personal profit? Guess that's OK because this immoral pirate is a Leftist.

"Progressive"= Socialist Prince in Stalinist Mode.

#19 Mom Of 9

If you substitute the word 'progressive' with the word 'socialist', it all makes sense. This isn't a modification, this is a weak attempt to destroy the greatest free republic of all time with a socialist nanny state.

"This theme concerns the constitutional obligations of the government to protect against discrimination and to guarantee minimum standards of living. Critical issues include: the nature of constitutional equality, the causes and remedies of inequality"
I have a brother inlaw (who is 42) that says "THE MAN is keeping me down".
My response to him is (since as a conservitive I am THE MAN) Thank you for making my job so easy by not getting up off your ass and working. (he still gets an allowance from his father)

The Constitution works just fine for people willing to work for themselves. LEAVE IT ALONE

The last thing we need is a Hungarian leading the charge to change demolish the Constitution.

Thanks, but no thanks. If you want to play with the foundations of a nation, try Hungary.

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Oh boy. Flash back to an old Frank Capra movie...

Meet John Doe

if they want a "progressive" Constitution, why don't they just move to a progessive country - like Cuba

last I checked our Constitution did not change under Reagan
nor Bush, Clinton or Bush

only "Amendments" can change it - not progressives, thank god

Is it just me or didnt I get the impression that they aimed at 'moving' the constitution by means of the courts and not a constitutional convention?

Hopefully by 2020 we will have real star ships and level headed folk can blow off this planet and start over somewhere else in the galaxy. An asshat free - dhimmi free world.

Equality of Opportunity = the defining principal of free men and free republics.

Equality of Outcome = a pipe dream foisted on the weak by the powerful to assure that the weak never become powerful.

Finally they are owning up to sedition

Of course the "progressives" (by the way, if whenever you see that word used if you simply replace it in your mind with "Communists" then you will find everything that follows then makes perfect sense) want to replace the Constitution! The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, religion and the press along with the right to bear arms, all of which are major obstacles to the Almost-Perfect Socialist Republic of the future that they are trying so hard to put into place.

From the warped, tyrannical viewpoint of the Left the ideal rewrite would feature "limited" (i.e., approved) freedom of speech, no religion, "limited" (i.e., censored) freedom of the press, and absolutely no right to bear arms. It would, of course, turn us from citizens into subjects.

And it's not ever happening.

Soros, Moore, Churchill...

Let 'em talk. The more press they get, the more people realize just how dangerous the liberal agenda is. These people should be lauded for helping to push the entire country right of center. Give them more prime time interviews and front page headlines.

only "Amendments" can change it - not progressives, thank god

Well, that's the way it is supposed to be. Tell that to activist judges...

#27, Geepers

What can't you buy on eBay?

I hear they have artillery, too.

I'm not a liberal socialist wackjob, I'm a moderate progressive visionary.

/ Channeling George Soros

Social and Economic Inequality We must identify the constitutional obligations of the state to protect against discrimination, to alleviate the most extreme forms of deprivation and exclusion, and to guarantee minimum standards of living. Critical issues include: changing views of inequality, fundamental rights of citizenship in spheres of education, work, and family, and the interconnected roles of courts and legislatures in vindicating rights of equality.

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -- Thomas Jefferson

What I interpret from these "Progressives" at Yale, when they speak of creating a minimum standard of living reminds me of something from my history books... ALSO SEE: Pol Pot, Joseph "Smilin' Joe" Stalin, Mao Tsi Tung.

Time to buy more guns...

#32 atlasshrugged

Finally they are owning up to sedition

Exactly...

.. and then collaborate on how to use their influence and judicial power to achieve it.

That should read "...and then collaborate on how to further use their influence and judicial power to achieve it."

I'm still looking for where the 'right to privacy' is written in the Constitution.

What an amazing coincidence, as I just got this month's issue of Popular Mechanics yesterday. The cover article is "America 2025," which makes no mention whatsoever of the Socialist States of America, which is what our "progressive" (read: socialist) friends are trying to create.

>What's a progressive? This has got to be some kind of code word for...

Socialism/Communism, a linked pair of bankrupt tyrannical politicoeconomical philosophies that are responsible for the murder of well over 100 million people as well as enslavement, degradation, genocide (the populations of three entire ethnic groups of the former USSR are missing), and forced poverty, has such a justly-deserved bad name that few on the Left have a strong enough stomach to use them any more.

The nice word is now "progressive." Remember that the mass murderers Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Guevara, Pol Pot, etc. were all (ahem) "progressives" in their time and be on your guard.

If progressives are to rehabilitate that Constitution, they must now, more than ever, articulate constitutional ideals capable of inspiring the next generation.

Guess the Constitution isn't inspiring enough as it is. Hey lefties, news flash: compared to the Founders, YOU SUCK.

#29 Andrenalyn

only "Amendments" can change it - not progressives, thank god

Or judges.

#32 atlasshrugged

Finally they are owning up to sedition

Hold on...they did use the word "rehabilitate" - to restore to a former capacity : to restore to good repute : reestablish the good name of : to restore to a former state : to restore or bring to a condition of health or useful and constructive activity

They are slick...

"I'm not a liberal socialist wackjob, I'm a moderate progressive visionary."

And likewise someone who is actually a deranged Communist revolutionary will describe himself as "a moderate progressive visionary."

OT

This is bizarre. The daughter of a prominent Muslim has been charged as an accessory in the Berkeley throat slashing of a 75-year-old woman. Hamaseh Kianfar was employed by Alameda Co. as a mental health worker and was apparently ministering in some way to her client who performed the actual throat slashing.

Accessory charged in slashing

Hamaseh was freed on bond of $15,000, which seems very low for such a brutal crime, and is on paid administrative leave from her job. (Paid leave is called "vacation" where I come from.)

Oh boy! Some greenhorn lawywers fresh out of Yale are going to tell the United States how to become a decent country. Someone get a paddle.

They probably want a constitution like the gazillion page proposed EU one regulating every aspect of the citizen's life, and giving the state the ‘right’ to be interfering in your life 24/7.

After all, they know what's best for us, they're Progressive.

George Soros' talking points are remarkably similar to:

World Socialist Web Site - Owned and Operated by the World Socialist Workers Party

Imagine that...

"We must identify the constitutional obligations of the state to protect against discrimination, to alleviate the most extreme forms of deprivation and exclusion, and to guarantee minimum standards of living."

That's nothing but Socialism - which has failed every time and place it has ever been tried and always will fail because it is utterly inimical to human nature - under a smiling new Politcally Correct face.

Same pig, new lipstick.

But guys, we have nothing to fear from these wackos. They say they want to write a Consitution, circa 2020. Yet, they've already asserted that the USA will have fallen long before 2020 and that the Earth will be uninhabitable anyway.

#43 Ward Cleaver

only "Amendments" can change it - not progressives, thank god

Or judges.

That is a real danger as we all know. The famous balancing test used by the Supremes to "balance" individual rights against societal "interests" has been used to create all sorts of things, including putting US citizens in prison camps (See Koramatsu v US, authored by no greater liberal hero then William O. Douglas). That is why we need judges who interpret the Constitution, rather then judges who roll their own.

Look at the bright side, after what the EU did with ITS "constitution," by the time they even get it drafted it will be 2040...

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'Bout time.

The goal is to set forth a positive constitutional vision for tomorrow, rather than merely to respond to the crises of today.

code for:

Free speech is a one way street for progressives. All conservative thought must be stomped out. They are McCarthyites. We progressives are perfect beings of the highest order.

... and then collaborate on how to use their influence and judicial power to achieve it.

This is exactly why the debates about judicial nominations are so crucial. If the Dems get their way and block all of Bush's nominations Yale will likely succeed with their agenda.

#39 Mom of 9

I'm still looking for where the 'right to privacy' is written in the Constitution.

Doesn't have to be. See my #18 and...

See also U.S. Constitution, amendments IX and X:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

See also U.S. Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

Progressive = Progress on the road to socialism.

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These guys need a reality check. Most historians believe the US Constitution to be the finest work of its kind. And the constitution has held up well with time. The constitution has been ammended but never fundementaly changed. These guys are pretending that we write a new constitution every 25 years or so. Why would these so-called scholars believe that? It takes a constitutional convention of elected representatives to write a new constitution. Yet these Yalies want to write a "progressive" constitution based upon the ideas of a few leftest "intellectuals" who represent absolutely no one but themselves. These guys do not want democratic constitution, We already have the finest in the world. They want an autocratic socialist constitution based not on the will of the people, but on the will of the "intellectuals". Thank God none of this will happen. This is merely an ego trip for those involved.

If progressives are to rehabilitate that Constitution, they must now, more than ever, articulate constitutional ideals capable of inspiring the next generation

"Inspiring the next generation" of course means converting more to buy into the socialist-left ideology.

Sounds like a "carrot - stick" strategy. Let's come up with enough "ideals" to promise a utopian society if only everyone accepts what we think is best.

Oh wait, Islam already does that!

Here's the basic difference --put simplistically -- in my view:

Most of us form beliefs on the basis of evidence or faith but they are passive --ie, what we live by and use to better understand ourselves and the world we live in.

The "collectivists" take a narcissitic aggressive approach and use beliefs to try and CHANGE the world to conform to their ideology and view. It's more of a fantasy that their own "beliefs" will come true if only everyone else adopts them.

#11ToxMan

want to control the masses? get a hold of their guns!

Yup. virtually every repressive regime, from facists to communists to mullahs and other Islamofacists has made disarming citizens among their first priorities.

The left in this country thinks disarmament is 'advanced'. They are fools.

Here's a little tidbit from Soros.org regarding 'Equal Justice'.

OSI focuses on securing procedural and substantive justice for all individuals by developing criminal and civil justice systems that are accessible and impartial, protect fundamental human rights, prohibit arbitrary and discriminatory government action, and remove barriers that prevent individuals from participating fully in the economic, social and political life of the community. To buttress and expand protections offered through the legal system, OSI aims to increase the ability of individuals and communities to engage in the formulation and monitoring of public policies that affect the delivery of justice, including policies determining the allocation of public resources. Accordingly, the program helps individuals and communities to develop advocacy and organizing skills as well as legal tools to stimulate debate and to effect systemic and social change, especially relating to issues in which they have a direct stake.

"Remove barriers that prevent individuals from participating fully in the economic (etc) life of the community" is progressivespeak for redistribution of wealth. In short, take money from people that earn it and give it to people that don't.

"...including policies determining the allocation of public resources" is more of the same.

Progressive = Socialist

Like anyone here needed me to tell you that...

One day liberals and progressives again will wield power. Part of the liberal/progressive project is reinvigorating the old conviction that all Americans are entitled to a share in the nation's wealth, protection against desperate want and a realistic opportunity to make a decent livelihood.

-WILLIAM E. FORBATH

Not So Simple Justice: Frank Michelman on Social Rights, 1969 - Present

This Man will also be speaking at the conference on the topic of social and economic inequality.

Hey at least he is not hiding the fact that he is a liberal/progressive/socialist.

It is strange that all members of this panel, share this one common view about redistribution of wealth. Why no libertarians? Or Rational Anarchists? How about a Conservative? Or maybe even some successful businessmen? No?

Only enough time to hear one side of the argument at this conference.

Sort of like having four sheep vote on being vegetarian without letting the wolves have a turn.

Soros is a control freak. Devoutly religious people iritate the hell out of him, because he has trouble understanding their motivations, and manipulating them. Democrats, he understands.

OT

Anybody else see this? Yahoo in major legal battles over the sale of Nazi memorabilia

...and the interaction of foreign law with the U.S. Constitution.

Hmm, seems like some of the Supreme Court justices must already think themselves "progressives."

This reminds me of those annoying weenies who bleat that the Consititution is a "living document." Yeah, it is, and the document contains the process for changing it. Get it? It's called the amendment process, not what some sclerotic, addled judge decides is necessary, so shall be enacted without all that messy consent of the governed nonsense.

I'll take a look at Soros' agenda when he starts living by it and giving away his billions to everyday people, like me. Until then, he's just another rich nut job.

I hope these academics succeed in developing a 'revised' version of the constitution and receive a great deal of publicity in the main stream media. In fact I hope the MSM goes to bat for them promoting the 'revised' constitution. Better yet, I hope the Democratic party actively promotes the adoption of the 'revised' version.

And in the aftermath, they can blame it all on Karl Rove. Bwa ha hah ha ha ha ha!

It is time for progressives to set a constitutional agenda for the 21st Century. In 1987-88, the Reagan Justice Department produced a white paper known as “The Constitution in 2000” which, by taking a long view rather than focusing on the immediate issues of the day, was immensely successful in influencing the Constitution under which we now live.

I had to check. ONE amendment, originally proposed in 1789, since Reagan was Pres. 4 total amendments in my half-century or so of life. Otherwise, substantially the same as the one I took an oath to in 1971.Constitutional amendments, via National Archives (read it, there will be a quiz on Monday)
If these jackasses can get anything ratified, well, that's the process. Meanwhile, I continue to dwell on that "all enemies...' clause.

#60 LoFlyer

All that really needs to be done prior to major changes being penned into the Constitution is to successfully define it as a living document that is subject to the whims of society and successfully argue that it is subject to "International Law", whatever that is.

Both of these steps have already been taken.

dream on you pathetic parasites. THE RED STATES WALKED LAST YEAR..they ll walk again

Maybe we do need a new bill of rights.

1: The right to free speech shall not be abridged even in the last month of a political campaign. For the purposes of the establismhent and free exercise clauses of the first amendment Atheism and agnosticism shall be considered religions. The Free Exercise clause shall not be construed as protecting people from charges of sedition or treason. Sedition is not protected speech. No distinction shall be made between freedom of the press and free speech for people outside the press.

2: When we said the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged we meant it. On sober reflection, though, we don't want our citizens posessing nuclear of biological weapons. Everything else is fine. Persons injured while commiting violent or property crimes of which they have been duly convicted shall forgoe as a result of their conviction any civil judgments in their favor arising from injuries recieved in the process of the crime for which they have been convicted.

3: The seventh amendcment shall be adjusted periodically for inflation.

4: Persons have the right to the produce of their labors. Taxes shall not exceed 15% except in time of war. Defecit spending shall be prohibited except in wartime.

#43 Ward Cleaver

definition of a "judge"

a public official authorized to decide questions brought before a court

so it's simple - let's just get rid of courts and those pesky judges will go away

my, what a simple solution

ok, back to my cartoons and fruit loops...

/sarcasm off

What's scary about this is they think that the Reagan plan moved Constitutional Law to the _Right_! The White Paper in question were known as "The Meese Memos" and were not the long term strategic game plan these folks claim. It addressed the selection of Supreme Court judges to deal with social issues that the court might see in the coming decade.

One item of the 1st report were questions #3 & 4 which asked about what the future of the rights of homosexuals. Specifically it said that the court might strike down State laws regulating private behavior (sodomy) that would eventually lead to gay marriage being a constitutional right. Currently the course predicted is exactly what is happening.

The paper predicted that the court would look with disfavor on public initiatives to strengthen private schools because of religion (vouchers), that Freedom of Association would not protect free speech rights of groups (McCain-Finegold), that the courts would intervene in National Defense (Military Tribunals), 10th Amendment protections of States would be further eroded (numerous), the interference of Federal Courts in the structure of local institutions (forcing cities to realign council districts) and the Courts would not strictly enforce the Separation of Powers.

The predictions were not correct on attempts to reduce the scope of abortion (Partial Birth Ban), reinterpretation of the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments to restrict the ability of police to investigate and prosecute criminal activities and expanding the use of the Equal Protection Clause to force a minimum level of welfare spending.

It's hard to see how this White Paper can be seen to be a victory for the Conservative cause when they "won" 3 of 15. (With vouchers still up in the air but seemingly safe) That sort of batting average won't get you into the majors.

If one reads the Meese Memos for what they are, a prediction of the changes in Law as different social issues are presented it is stunning in the accuracy of what it predicted. Nostradamus would have been proud.

They are reaching now for absolute power, the culmination of the Left's century-old struggle to criminalize all opposition.
Like the fictitious Stalinists in Orwell's 1984, today's leftists invariably seek to control the language of discourse to their advantage. They push inexorably to define opposition speech as criminal by labeling it as "hate speech" and selectively applying the strictest tests for threatening and abusive language, while insisting on the broadest possible latitude for their own pronouncements.

We saw this in the quisling 9th Circuit's recent ruling on death threats against the President. Does anyone doubt that a similar threat against a leftist leader would be treated as a common-law crime with little or no discussion? This is not simple hypocrisy, but a calculated strategy. As with Newspeak, the final goal is to literally make opposition impossible by eradicating the language that would express it.
The touchy-feely language of this announcement is a smoke screen. The real target is the First Amendment.

What do you want to want to be that they will outlaw "hate speech" and define hate speech as disagreeing with a leftist? Likewise, they will probably create different legal standards for different ethnicities; sexes, colors, sexual preferences.

#16 Geepers
You forgot the /sarc tag on yr statement about judges

In my opinion, this is all just more moonbat propaganda, they are trying to get all of thier ducks in a row so that they can waltz into the 2008 election holding all the aces. Total moonbat BS! WE WILL WIN AGAIN LEFTIES!

#73 CCR

Excellent work. Also, I'd like to suggest:

Defendents in civil trials shall, as with defendents in criminal trials, be afforded the right to choose that their case be heard by a jury, or by a judge alone.

#76 Shiplord Kirel

The touchy-feely language of this announcement is a smoke screen. The real target is the First Amendment.

If you're ever bored, go find a liberal opponent of civil rights (2nd amend), and ask him/her what they think would be a reasonable restriction on the 1st amend. This is especially fun with journalists.

The left in this country thinks disarmament is 'advanced'. They are fools.

I think this is all part of the plan of the left. Disarmament first then the 1st amendment. I don't always think of the left in terms of being fools. Most are but the leaders are dumb like a fox. Beware and don't take them lightly. That's why W's judicial appointments are really important so that government by judicial fiat wil be a thing of the past hopefully.

#41 Malleus Dei 4/9/2005 09:01AM PDT

The nice word is now "progressive." Remember that the mass murderers Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Guevara, Pol Pot, etc. were all (ahem) "progressives" in their time and be on your guard.

I saw a man (I use the term loosely) wearing a "Che" tee-shirt at the gym this week.

It was a brand new, big, black shirt with a large orange starburst pattern on the front outlining the familiar "Che" facial icon.

While I can't speak to the motives of this wearer, he did seem happy with his new bold shirt - as if it was just another spontaneous decision at the "cool" tee-shirt stand, I found it ironic that he was of hispanic descent.

I suppose that if I were one of his ancestors I would probably beat him with a cane.

#46 Brenda

Another article on this bizarre crime. Haven't seen much about it in the local press, either.

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Oh, for heaven's sake!

This theme concerns the constitutional obligations of the government to protect against discrimination and to guarantee minimum standards of living. Critical issues include: the nature of constitutional equality, the causes and remedies of inequality, the disparate roles of courts and Congress in vindicating rights of equal citizenship.

Or, how to create a permanent underclass - make sure they never have to lift a bloody finger for themselves.

Funny, when I was reading David Weber's books, I thought the Basic Living Stipend was an idea so stupid that not even a leftist could buy it. Now, it's being promoted by Yale.

OVER MY DEAD BODY!

"We the Enlightened, Progressive university professors, ACLU lawyers, and political activists of the United States, in order to form a more progressive Union like France, Germany, or Cuba, establish social justice, provide for the defense of everyone BUT our own country, promote higher taxes for Welfare, and secure the blessing of our tolerant, enlightened, and superior viewpoint on the idiotic masses, do ordain and establish the New Constitution of the United States of America."

1. The backwards redneck Christians and Zionazi Jews shall not express their religion, because others have the right not to be offended by them. Congress and the Courts may make laws establishing atheism or Islam. Free speech is a backwards and dangerous concept being used by conservatives to hurt the feelings of others. Progressives shall have the right not to be questioned. Minorities cannot be offended unless they are conservatives, in which case racial slurs are reccommended. Progressives have the right to peaceful and non-peaceful assembly.
2. Only liberal celebrities and liberal politicians may own guns.
3. Felons and undocumented workers may be quartered in any house and on any property, and must be provided for and taken care of by the owner.

#85 The concept similar to a Basic LIving Stipend was spoken of in the Meese Memo's by using the Equal Protection to mandate a minimum level of social welfare.

I'll be interested to see how Flint rehabilitates The Peeps.

#85 Dianna

While I was a doctoral student, I got into a discussion with a PhD in Philosophy from Harvard. After some discussion, he finally admitted that he thought that people should be guaranteed life's necessities by the government -- one should not have to work if one did not want to. Amazing, eh?

The obvious question, which didn't occur to me at the time (I blame the keg from which we were drinking) was, what if nobody wanted to work?

These people really don't get it...

#85 Dianna

Funny, when I was reading David Weber's books, I thought the Basic Living Stipend was an idea so stupid that not even a leftist could buy it. Now, it's being promoted by Yale.

Was it Churchill (Winston) who made the statement about hearts and brains? Never underestimate the dangerous stupidity of the Left.

#88 Quilly

I cannot believe that Weber is allowing Flint to inject his damnable totalitarian agenda into the Harrington books. Weber was doing such a nice job with forcing a corrupt regime to reform itself, and he's allowing Flint to push the ideas he was articulating into the reimposition of totalitarianism.

And if it's an example of how the left would like the US to cannibalize itself, I have to agree with JustDanny - Over my dead body!

Grr.

What really burns me is that, when Flint's verbal tics are kept under control, he's not a bad writer.

The Yale conclave is a meeting of "progressive" minds. They'll undoubtedly recommend a number of amendments to the Constitution that guarantee "economic justice", group rights and an interventionist federal government. It'll be informative to see their recommendations about existing Constitutional amendments---especially the First and Second.

These aren't DU/Kos type moonbats---they are part of the Democrat intellectual leadership and much of what they recommend may become party policy. After they publish their
conclusions on their web site we might want to discuss them on another thread.

#90 American Soldier
Sorry. Just discovered that's not an authentic quote. But still a good line.

RE: The ACLU -

Disclaimer - Had I written the article below I would have used the terms "pederasty" and the "homo-erotic warrior-cult" rather than using the blanket term homosexuality - that particular word and the way it is used in this article can be misconstrued as "gay-hate" which I do not promote. The word is used as a generalization here, and despite the possible negative interpretations possible I believe there is truth behind the concept, just in a far more specific sense.
~bz

The ACLU's Communist Agenda:
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

* Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

* Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

* Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

* Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

* Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

* Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

* Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

* Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

* Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

* Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

* Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture ? education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

* Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

#93 American Soldier

I've seen that quote a bunch of times attributed to Churchill. Where did you find out that it isn't authentic?

#89 Chris

Oh, a lot of people will still want to work, at least at first. Until, as in Ireland during the 70's and 80's, it becomes absolutely against their interest. Stupid idea. It mires everyone in poverty, eventually, and leads to a bunch of other social ills.

Why people are attracted by this notion, I just don't know.

#90 American Soldier

It certainly was Sir Winston. The scary thing is, are leftist academics a bunch of overgrown adolescents, or what? Do they really think they're not going to lose through the notion of robbing the rich to feed the poor?

To quote a favorite story's punchline - "Funny. I thought the point was that there be no more poor."

Dianna, if you've been reading the Drake/Flint Belasarius series the final book will be out soon. At last. It looks to be a dandy.

This theme addresses the challenges posed by the dual issues of terrorism and globalization. Critical issues include: the tension between democracy and globalization, national security, warmaking, immigration, and the interaction of foreign law with the U.S. Constitution.

Interesting...especially that last part. Interaction: mutual or reciprocal action or influence

#96 Dianna

There will always be people willing to live a boring, stable existence as long as they can be lazy and don't have to work.

The angle I was getting at was, if nobody wanted to work, from where would the government get resources to distribute once the wealthy had been completely looted?

#97 Quilly

Yep. I'm salivating. Though it feels really strange to have been reading a series as light as that for almost ten years.

I wasn't too thrilled with the last couple books - too sentimental, and I thought Drake sort of phoned in the plot. But at least the books keep moving.

I just wish someone would wield a blue pencil on the thrice-repeated phrase trick.

#95 christheprofessor
#96 Dianna

Mult. refs on a quick Google search claim it's a misquote. If I get time in the ER tonight I'll try searching more extensively. (dial-up only at home)

Open socialist society? Isn't that an oxymoron? Or just moronic. Maroon? Anyone?

#99 Chris

Becoming agressively expansionist and looting other countries' wealth.

Of course, that can only go on so long.

4. If a person has been unfairly labeled as a "criminal" or a "threat" to the community, any search and seizure is illegal. If a person has made anti-Progressive statements, a search and seizure is required, and no warrant is needed.
5. Protection from self-incrimination and double jeopardy applies only to progressives engaged in resistance to conservatives. Private property must be taken for public use, although liberal politicians are exempt from paying the same taxes as others in their tax bracket.
6. Impartial juries are abolished. Only a progressive may sit on a jury.
7. In suits at common law, the person labelled "irresponsible" or "stupid" by conservatives will be awarded $1,000,000,000.
8. Punishment shall not be inflicted on any person committing a "crime" against conservatives, or on progressives, or on undocumented workers.
9. The enumeration of the Consttution shall not be construed to deny other rights of progressives. It may be construed to deny rights of conservatives, who are enemies of the people.
10. Powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution are reserved to the United Nations, or to CAIR or the ACLU.

Unfortunately for the Socialist left, the Constitution tends to get in the way of their agenda. Every once in a while the Left is honest and is willing to admit that the only way to enact their agenda is through the courts by gradually "rewriting" the Constitution.

A recent letter writer to the NY Times referred to the 2nd Amendment as "outdated". Every once in a while the Left is honest with itself and everyone else. Unfortunately, that's when people start to take notice and reject the Socialist agenda. Thus the Left usually has to resort to lies or attempts to appear moderate.

A perfect example: Why are conservatives proud to call themselves conservatives, but liberals avoid being called or labeling themselves a liberal as if it were akin to a dirty word?

soros=scum

#100 Dianna

Gun-toting, thoughtful, SF-reading citizens...and my son accuses ME of being Hugh Farnham. Ha!

#103 Dianna

But, but, aren't the socialists against war and expansionism?

Of interest to those listening to Palestinian Christians.

#100 Dianna

I'm not seeing that in this one so far. I'll mention it if I see it.

Megan #87

That was good...very, very good.

I have just two words to say about all of this:

subversive obfuscation

What I find so humorous is this line...

The goal is to set forth a positive constitutional vision for tomorrow, rather than merely to respond to the crises of today.

Has anyone met a progressive yet that could drop their gripes about how things today aren't "good for the people" and actually brainstorm what the future could be?

My humble opinion about this big problem is this: the left is using Freedom and the Constitution to subvert our Republic.

This is the same problem that we have when we talk about the WoT: the left uses a, fake, battle of ideas to help a, real, attack against the Country.

Since they took control of the media, of the schools and of the universities decades ago, I don't see how we will be able to win this fight on the medium to long term.

We can win important battles (Bush reelection...) but the WAR of the left against the Republic is unrelenting.

I don't see a peaceful solution for the future.

#107 American Soldier

I rather picture myself as a diminutive Col. Dubois.

#108 Chris

They'll call it self-defense or liberation or humanitarian intervention.

It's only imperialism if a conservative is doing it.

#109 Quilly

Please do. I reached a point where, when I ran across something like, "tense. Tense. Tense." I muttered, "And what I tell you three times is true."

I avoid reading the sample chapters and work in progress - for one thing, I'm not sure how good an idea it is to have readers putting their oar in, and for another, it just makes me want the rest of the book too much.

#107 American Soldier

Hugh Farnham! Outstanding. I wish I could post pictures here of Range Day at SheVaCon. Over 10,000 rounds expended. Watching David Drake shoot a Flintlock then an M16 was an amazing sight.

#113 Poitiers-Lepanto
2359:56

#99 Chritheprofessor

The angle I was getting at was, if nobody wanted to work, from where would the government get resources to distribute once the wealthy had been completely looted?

You have explained in one sentence why and how the Soviet Union fell and why they had expanded their Empire to every corner of the world.

Of course the commies want to repeat the experiment, but that's just because they are, like the nazis, unable to repent.

Good God, has everyone been to Protestwarrior.com? Does everyone remember the Moonbat who was screaming how she likes DICTATORS if they give free education and medical care?

If these assholes ever get their way kiss individual freedome and the Bill of Rights goodbye. On the bright side, there will be a lot of free stuff. /sarc

--fundamental weakness of a market economy is the effort by the rich to pass on wealth to next generation-1% of people own 40% of wealth in this country
--not against private inheritance, but for citizenship inheritance

I suppose if we institute a high enough inheritance tax, 80 or 90%, we can force people off family farms, plus ensure that hardworking people will take it easy in their later years. Why be productive, hire people, and generate wealth if the government will take it all before your kids see it anyway.

I'll probably inherit squat from my parents when they die, but I'd like to think I can do better for my kids.

Of course, McCain-Feingold proved even the First Amendment can be ignored if the SCOTUS so chooses.

#116 American Soldier

Exactly.

I'm so happy I have the 'right' to spend my life working for those who choose not to work.

Do me a favor Yale professors, don't mess with our constitution. This constitution has served us very well. It was written by greater men than you.

George soros, I've said this before. If you don't like it here the way it is...leave. This country has managed for a couple of hundred without you, it will continue very nicely, thank you.

#95 christheprofessor
#96 Dianna
One of several references:
W. Churchill misquotes

Just in time for our Brave New Progressive World!

Six months later, Tholen's object was spotted again in Australia as asteroid "2004 MN4." In the space of five days straddling Christmas, startled astronomers refined their calculations as the probability of the 1,000-foot-wide stone missile hitting Earth rose from one chance in 170 to one in 38.

They had never measured anything as potentially dangerous to Earth. Impact would come on Friday the 13th in April 2029.

The holidays and the tsunami in South Asia pushed 2004 MN4 out of the news, and in the meantime additional observations showed that the asteroid would miss, but only by 15,000 to 25,000 miles -- about one-tenth the distance to the moon. Asteroid 2004 MN4 was no false alarm. Instead, it has provided the world with the best evidence yet that a catastrophic encounter with a rogue visitor from space is not only possible but probably inevitable.

What do socially-aware progressives have to deal with this reality? While they're at it, plan for the Yellowstone supervolcano.

#119 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I suppose if we institute a high enough inheritance tax, 80 or 90%, we can force people off family farms

The current rate is doing that just fine, thank you!

Soldiers face real 'die-in' daily in Iraq
Marc Fencil, a senior at Ohio University, is currently serving in Iraq.

It's a shame that I'm here in Iraq with the Marines right now and not back at Ohio University completing my senior year and joining in blissful ignorance with the enlightened, war-seasoned protesters who participated in the recent "die-in" at College Gate. It would appear that all the action is back home, but why don't we make sure? That's right, this is an open invitation for you to cut your hair, take a shower, get in shape and come on over! If Michael Moore can shave and lose enough weight to fit into a pair of camouflage utilities, then he can come too! ...

I'm warning you though -it's not going to be all fun and games over here. You might have bad dreams for the next several nights after you zip up the body bag over a friend's disfigured face. I know you think that nothing, even a world free of terror for one's children, is worth dying for, but bear with me here. We're going to live in conditions you've never dreamt about. You should get here soon though, because the temperatures are going to be over 130 degrees very soon and we will be carrying full combat loads (we're still going to work though). When it's all over, I promise you can go back to your coffee houses and preach about social justice and peace while you continue to live outside of reality.

If you decide to decline my offer, then at least you should sleep well tonight knowing that men wearing black facemasks and carrying AK-47s yelling "Allahu Akbar" over here are proud of you and are forever indebted to you for advancing their cause of terror. While you ponder this, I'll get back to the real "die-in" over here. I don't mind.

#122 American Soldier

I sit corrected. Thanks.

On topic - I think the last ammendment to the Constitution should be - Under no circumstances whatsoever may Congress impose confiscatory taxes. Not because what's being taxed is bad for your health. Not because Congress is feeling the pinch on their pork barrels. Not because "the poor" need new and fashionable running shoes. Not because you're dead and don't need the money anymore.

No confiscatory taxes.

And while I'm on the subject of "It's for the children" injustices, we need to pass a law, somehow, that a new wife's income cannot be used as a basis for assessing child support.

I just ran across that while listening to a financial advisor on the radio, and went ballistic.

That is so unjust, I can't even believe it's done!

#122 American Soldier

Thanks, I'll have to stop that attribution myself...

A great line, though, I wonder who actually originally said it...

#125 T. Jefferson,

AMEN! There it is folks just what I've been talking about for 30+ years.

#127 Rayra
HOOAH! Taken that oath a couple of times, last in 1/2002, never renounced it. See #70, above.

The scary thing is, President Hillary, while somewhat unlikely (in my opinion, as much due to her screeching tone of voice when giving speeches as her socialist politics, which she will use the next 4 years to hide) is far from impossible. Silky pony boy or Barak Osama Obama don't have that disadvantage.

The biggest problem- Is Bush is not the conservative at home needed to build clear separation of the issues. Either US troops will be out of Iraq in 2008, so it won't be an issue, or they will still be there, and it will be a negative issue.

Bush is governing like a centrist Democrat, little fiscal responsibility on domestic spending and an open borders policy.

The thing is, if Hillary wins and shows her true colors, or Osama or Edwards, and governs hard left, they will probably be thrown out of office in four years, but in the meantime the Federal bureaucracy will be stocked with fellow travllers, as will the courts. Even if Republicans maintain enough power in Congress to stymie the worst of the ACLU agenda, various Federal agencies can add to the CFR rules designed to cripple industry.

As the Ninth Circuit court, or even the latest SCOTUS decisions show, we have any ACLU fellow travellers in the Judiciary already.

#130 'Nam Grunt
Seconded.
Piss on Hanoi Jane! And John! (VC war hero, 1971-2004)

Let's part like it's 1787!

#132 Ed

The Federal bureaucracy is already stocked with fellow travellers. We've already been infiltrated and subverted - some of the administrative regulations that get passed scare me silly, and we don't hear about them usually, unless someone stubs his toe on one, and has a fit.

Charles, a question:

Why don't you set your Magical Internet Word Filter™ to transform the word "progressive" into it's true meaning, "reactionary leftist barking moonbat" ?

-N. O'Brain, IMfUI

#127 Rayra

I am sure that that OATH will be the true and final defense of our Freedom in the near future.

Since the subversives are trying to change the Constitution, I would say that a good change would be to add the Military as the Fourth Branch of the Government in the system of checks and balances : Executive, Legislative, Judiciary and the Military.

In our Republic the Armed Forces are the Militia of the People, not the Red Coats of the King, there is no need to fear them...

...successful in influencing the Constitution...

This perception that people with a political agenda can influence the constitution lies at the heart of what separates the LLLeftists from the Conservatives in this nation. The Constitution was written as a framework for governance with the equal division of powers between branches along with a formal means for ammendment being key.

"Progressives" feel we should ignore what is explicitly written in the Constitution, completely abandon the formal ammendment process and simply promote like-minded judges to issue rulings that ammend the Constitution via judicial fiat.

But they should be very careful of what they wish for. Because if one judge today contorts the Constitution to the Left, another judge tomorrow will be free to do the opposite. Everyone in this nation should be required to read more history about our founding fathers and learn how they left this Nation with the most brilliant rules for self-government ever written. Those who disagree and want to trash the Constitution are either idiots or communists. But I repeat myself.

Leah Mesfin (Yale law school grad), who brought the issue to PowerLine's attention, has a great quote in the PowerLine article:

I wrote this because I thought you and the rest of your readers might be interested in knowing how these elitist morons are conveniently drafting us a new Constitution since we're too dumb to govern ourselves. The posts and the whole project are so deeply offensive on a variety of different levels. Who do these people think that they are that they can effectively draft a new Constitution for the rest of America? They're a handful of elitist, unelected, out of touch, narcissistic, overpaid, underworked, downright foolish liberal intellectuals that think they are more righteous than God, and therefore, by divine right, are the only ones worthy of the task.

#99 christheprofessor

I assume that you have read Atlas Shrugged?

OT

I bought a doughnut and they gave me a receipt for the doughnut... I don't need a receipt for the doughnut. I give you money and you give me the doughnut, end of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I can't imagine a scenario that I would have to prove that I bought a doughnut. To some skeptical friend, 'Don't even act like I didn't buy a doughnut, I've got the documentation right here... It's in my file at home. ...Under "D".'
-- Mitch Hedberg

I downloaded his CD last week, just to remember him by, and I keep on listening to it. Pretty soon, I'll be ready to do his entire act.

Oddly enough, my wife always said my high-school pics looked like him. Plus, I've been known to mumble. Other than that, nothing in common, except we both think his dumb jokes were hilarious.

RIP, Mitch.

I just realized that if I want to get in a bike ride before the rain starts, I must go. The thunderheads building up here are really impressive, but riding in the rain just sucks.

Bye.

The Yale ACS blog

Posts from people like Professor Sunstein and Minow suggest to me that perhaps we aren't thinking about something entirely new. Rather, as far as I can discern, we, or at least some of us, are talking about re-asserting a constitutional vision that once held sway and is still hanging on -- a vision, based on Katzenbach v. Morgan and the like, that provides broad legislative maneuvering room for progressive government and, only where necessary, limits government so as to prevent undue restraints on individual liberty.

Exactly which constitutional vision held sway that thought that the role of the Constitution is to rarely limit government?

#118

"On the bright side, there will be a lot of free stuff."

... a lot of free stuff that ain't worth a damn.

#147 tridroid97

No, I haven't. Do you have a linky?

re my 145 that should be addressed to #140, not 147

What'll be interesting to see is what "crises of today" these intellectuals will state as still existing 15 years own the road, and their reasoning as to why they will still exist. Since, of course, the "intellectual elite" would be able to make such things disappear if they were in charge, I wonder whether they'll attribute the failure to themselves or (more likely) to conservatives within the US?

I've always thought doing coke with a heart defect was pretty damn funny.

#133 American Soldier,

I treasure the awards I received in combat, make no mistake, however I am not a hero, I was doing my job that I was sworn to do, everyone else around me in combat are the true hero's as are these Brave men and Women in Iraq and Afghanistan!

Quilly Mammoth

Exactly which constitutional vision held sway that thought that the role of the Constitution is to rarely limit government?

King George's

36 Dar ul Harb -LOL I LOVE the fact that the search on Google for "artillery sites: littlegreenfootballs" is the name that was searched!
KABOOM!

In 1987-88, the Reagan Justice Department produced a white paper known as “The Constitution in 2000” which, by taking a long view rather than focusing on the immediate issues of the day, was immensely successful in influencing the Constitution under which we now live.

Well, if Reagan did it, it must be a good thing, right?

(Slick...)

#145 christheprofessor

Atlas Shrugged

A classic must read. The overt story is what happens when all of the productive people in the US slowly, and mysteriously disappear. Really entertaining when the redistributionists have less and lee to redistribute. Aside from the 100 or so pages of summing up at the end, it is my favorite of all time.

Hmmm...is the nic John Galt being used by any lizard?

#148 Rayra
That would include the sight picture from an M-4, yes?

American Soldier,

What I meant were the Brave folks that gave their life for this Country, They Are Heros!

I don't recall where in the Constitution that the US Govt has the obligation to guarantee any standard of living. To me, it merely mandates equal *opportunity* for all. Therein equality lies. It is up to the individual to make the most of their opportunities in life.

Redistribution of wealth ironically creates a priveledged class of do nothings.

I've always told my sons that they have a guaranteed right to be a loser if they want. Or to not be one. So far they've done pretty well.

It is enough for us to help the sick and disabled. Feeding perfectly healthy people because they choose to be wasted on dope or booze or just plain lazy is stupid and infair to those of us who work hard for our living. If welfare for the healthy stopped today, how many illegal aliens would be able to find work?

#146 Rayra

Down with the Peoples Republic of Haven! Death to the Peeps!

Well, it certainly shows what happens when the Revolution is taken over by an elite Vanguard.

Kinda exactly like a bunch of eggheads in Yale.

I always wished that Weber would have had Manticore be a Democracy. Why must the tryanny of the Communist standins _always_ be fought by an aristocracy? Weber and Ringo do the same thing in their series. Evil Eco-Freaks but _good_ Prince Roger.

Pisses me off it does.

...less and less...

Damn!

#152 'Nam Grunt
Roger that.

Will the progressive Constitution deny Muslims the right to practice sharia?/CAIR

#52 Alone in NY - "That is why we need judges who interpret the Constitution, rather then judges who roll their own. "
A VERY nice turn of phrase: literate, witty and correct!

OT

Extremist will plead guilty in 3 Southern bomb attacks

POS. What a completely nutty family too. I called the FBI on this one - since I know those mountains well. I swear I saw this creep at a bike rally about three years after he went into hiding. I was not happy to think that anyone I knew would be harboring him.

#157 tridroid97

Oh, I thought you meant the LGFer "Atlasshrugged" who posts here and has her own site, I believe!

No, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like a must read...

Thanks, I'll add it to my reading list (am trying to get started on Steven Pinker's How the Mind Works, but haven't really had the time to put into it...).

#157 tridroid97
LOL. Still wading through those 100 or so pages- in between other books.

#46 Brenda

You may be aware that the radical Wahhabi sect of which Osama bin Laden promotes is of the Sufi Muslim faith which these scoundrels' claim to fame originates.

#168 Sarah D.
Congrats on your new squid.

#168 Srah D.

Was there ever an official apology to the guy they first arrested? I don't recall one.

It wouldn't take much help to hide in those mountains. They have an environment conducive to hiding. Not too high yet still very craggy with lots of little valleys to hide in. One of my family used to have a little cabin outside of Hendersonville. If you didn;t know exatly where it was it was damn hard to find. Had a little spring for water.

In 1987-88, the Reagan Justice Department produced a white paper known as “The Constitution in 2000” which, by taking a long view rather than focusing on the immediate issues of the day, was immensely successful in influencing the Constitution under which we now live.

How is that, when the only amendment since then was the 27th:

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

Is this an "immensely successful influence"? Uh. no.

Typical commie/libs. Start with a false premise and then lie about it.

#151 Quilly Mammoth
Tachy cokers under 40yo=amusing ER visitors. They always ask, "why me?".

#70 American Soldier NOOO! not a quiz on Monday, that's my birthday. Besides, I already gave at "the office" - according to my accountant, I owe enough Fed, State and City taxes (including a "self employed" tax) that we could possibly build another Carrier Task Force. Groan. Stupid accountant.

Hmmm...is the nic John Galt being used by any lizard?

Yep, someone beat you to it.

#169 christheprofessor

I was at a party, discussing literature with some old college friends. One, a liberal democrat, but otherwise fairly intelligent, indicated is favorite work to be "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. I asked if he had ever read Atlas Shrugged. He said that he was afraid to. I asked why, as the two books are basically the same thing, taken from different perspectives. He mumbled something about the conservative bible and moved on.

#174 QM

He sued ABC and was awarded several million.

Justice for a change.

#127 Rayra

solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

That's the key right there. All enemies, even domestic ones. Notice also that we swore to support and defend The Constitution, not the government of the United States. Interesting point, that...

American Soldier, 'Nam Grunt:

I remember what it was like to be overseas and wondering if anyone in “the world” knew I was there. We need to keep supporting our troops and continuously counter the propaganda from the Left. We have done our part and have passed the torch to another generation. Keep the faith.

TJ

#177 realwest
Happy Birhday. The quiz stands.

#173 American Soldier

Thank you! We're having a big party for him on the beach!

#174 Quilly Mammoth

Not that I recall. The guys life was ruined, according to him. Sucks.

#180 Obi-Wan

Really? I hadn't heard that. Good for him.

#182 T. Jefferson

We have done our part and have passed the torch to another generation

Dude- MREs are still on my menu for drill weekends and TDY. SOMEONE's gotta ride herd on the kids.

It wouldn't take much help to hide in those mountains. They have an environment conducive to hiding. Not too high yet still very craggy with lots of little valleys to hide in. One of my family used to have a little cabin outside of Hendersonville. If you didn;t know exatly where it was it was damn hard to find. Had a little spring for water.

my father was born in robbinsville,

used to love looking for small caves.
im sure there are thousands of them, some are occupied,
black bears.

they would never have found him,
but glad he surrendered.

#177 realwest,

I read where the moonbats were trying to blow a clamore on you:-) I have no worries about you being able to handle that minor bs, however if I can help...

#179 tridroid97

I was at a party, discussing literature with some old college friends. One, a liberal democrat, but otherwise fairly intelligent, indicated is favorite work to be "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. I asked if he had ever read Atlas Shrugged. He said that he was afraid to. I asked why, as the two books are basically the same thing, taken from different perspectives. He mumbled something about the conservative bible and moved on.

He said he was "afraid to?" Sounds like a liberal, better (perhaps easier) to live in a fantasy world than face reality...

Love the "liberal democrate, but otherwise fairly intelligent" line -- too funny!

#185 Sarah D.

The fact that he won prohibited it being reported in the MSM.

#186 American Soldier,

Dude I lived off of c-rations and LRRP rations, dang you guys are pampered nowadays.;-)

#178 Spiny Norman

Yeah, with this group, I shoulda known...

Absolutely insane. These radicals are a danger to my freedom.

nam grunt @ 91

we had it rough at Nha Trang,

sometimes the roast beef,
and ice cream were spoiled.

#191 'Nam Grunt
In 1972 I opened a can of C ham & lima beans that had been canned during the Korean War. Still gives me nightmares. Love them MREs- even the black-bean burrito. Miss the cigarettes, though. I could always trade them for something better.

#127 Rayra - I took that same oath in 1968 and still believe in it as you do.
As for Soros - well, my mom did tell me (on more than one occassion!) if you can't say anything nice...

choc. milk was great though.

Yale Law School pap:

It is time for progressives to set a constitutional agenda for the 21st Century. In 1987-88, the Reagan Justice Department produced a white paper known as “The Constitution in 2000” which, by taking a long view rather than focusing on the immediate issues of the day, was immensely successful in influencing the Constitution under which we now live.

Has Yale become Dummyville?

"You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on an education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library." - Will Hunting

Apparently, the same applies to Yale, for "the Constitution under which we now live" was not changed by the "Reagan Justice Department" in any way.

The last meaningful amendment to the US Constitution was in Governor of California.
 

#197 ibmkeyboard
Must'a been USAF.

#197 ibmkeyboard
Or a beached squid.

#187 ibmkeyboard

Rudolph didn't surrender, and they didn't find him in the woods. He came into town. A local cop found him, dumpster diving.

#194 ibmkeyboard,

Smart a$$;-).

#195 American Soldier,

I don't know if you remember the date pudding, we used to offer it to the children when we went into a village, and they threw it back at us and called us #10 G.I.'s. ;-)... and they couldn't even read english, but they knew.

army base right beside of air base,

fed us 3 squares a day.
lol

frig combat ready,
if i didnt eat too much.

#137 Poitiers-Lepanto - but - is the president under your 4 branches of government, still the Commander in Chief ? One of the things I'm proudest of concerning our nation's history, is that IN SPITE of all the political lies, bullshit, voting the graveyards, etc. there has never been even an attempted Coup d'etat. However poorly the losers take it (e.g., PEST), the Nation survives and we have a peaceful transition of power.
A 4th branch of government, the all volunteer military, which is not under the direct command of an elected Commander in Chief is something which would have given the original Great American, Thomas Jefferson, and gives humble me, a very great sense of alarm.

Or a beached squid.

rolol

#203 Rayra,

There it is Brother, when all else fails whom can you trust but yourself!

They are not calling for a Constitutional Convention. I agree that if they were nothing would come of this project. Instead they are calling for something much more dangerous. What they apparently want is a Master Plan detailing how to change our form of government into something Progressives can be proud of. This will probably entail less input from the common citizens and much, much more input from the wise, such as themselves.

They will probably end up publishing a list of “re-interruptions of the Constitution for the 21st Century,” so that all thinking persons can push for changes in the same direction. I wouldn’t be surprise if they also included a call for a Central Steering Committee, a General Secretary, some type of membership qualifications to keep pseudo-progressives at a distance, a political party composed of the vanguard of the people, a progressive publishing house (with possibly a hidden printing press) and a official newspaper (undoubtedly called Ivestia.)

Isn't it remarkable that a bunch of merchants and small-town lawyers who lived over 200 years ago are still more politically attuned then most 21st-Century college professors?

#203 Rayra
You're familiar with Heinlein's take on citizenship in Starship Troopers?
BTW- some coup muttering in the Army just before Nixon's resignation- made for more interesting (and scary) times.

#105 Phil.

A perfect example: Why are conservatives proud to call themselves conservatives, but liberals avoid being called or labeling themselves a liberal as if it were akin to a dirty word?

For the same reason they say they don't win elections becuase they didn't get theirmessage across, i.e., they didn't use the proper code-language to trick people. It's not about rights. It's about power. They think they don't have it, so they want to limit everyone's. If this country is so awful and oppressive, why do people risk death to get here? Why also don't more people leave for Euroland? Could it be people are happy here, and know a good thing when they see it?

powder @ 201

Rudolph didn't surrender, and they didn't find him in the woods. He came into town. A local cop found him, dumpster diving.

he will get blamed for every murder in atlanta ga. for the last 20 years.

Dude- MREs are still on my menu for drill weekends and TDY. SOMEONE's gotta ride herd on the kids.

American Soldier:

After I went back and read that you took the oath in 2002, I figured out that you might be a trifle younger than me. First time I took the oath was in June of 1969.

:-)

#210 Baldy

Yeah, but I just like to bitch, the wife taught me how.

#205 realwest
Agreed. But imagine the pandemonium if you tried to reinstate the draft in post-Viet Nam America. The LLL would use it as their final excuse for destroying the U.S.

#162 Quilly

I hope you're still on line, here!

Don't blame Ringo for the Prince Roger social set-up. For no discernable reason, Weber has a thing for monarchy. Why? I'm damned if I know. It can be stabilising, and give the populace a focus, but it's also the short road to disaster. Two weak kings in a row, or a long regency, and voila! you're in deep, deep trouble.

Agreed. But imagine the pandemonium if you tried to reinstate the draft in post-Viet Nam America

amen

and bushilter caused it.

#213 T. Jefferson,

'66-'76 here and still follow it.

#141 octopus - I caught the re-run of one of Mitch's 1/2 hour comedy specials on the Comedy channel last week (the routine which includes running into a real bear in the woods with a friend he was toking with, and as they run away the friend says "whoa Mitch, Smokey's much more INTENSE in person" and at the end they listed his birthdate and 2005.
Do you know where and when and how he died. Loved that guys comedy ("didn't know whether to make cinnamon muffins or just burn a cinnamon stick of incense to make my roomates awake with false hopes").

OT: The horse race after the Royal Wedding was won by Camilla by a nose...paid 3 to 1.

#213 T. Jefferson
In the class behind you.
U.S. Army 1971-74 (RA)
State officer 2002-present, occasionally seconded to U.S. Army as Army Nurse.
Still serving, just slower. Much better shot, though.

OT

William Teach at the Pirate's Cove documents another example of the insanity and projection of the Leftist bloggers.

#216 Rayra

Bova seems to be doing it in his latest series. Though it reminds me a bit of L. Neil Smith's version of the Asteroids. Entrepenuers vs. Mega-Corps.

The problem seems to be that whenever someone is really successful they get into wealth protect rather wealth expansion mode. Apple being a prime example of that until, with the iPod, they realized that what they were was a company of ideas...not just a computer company. That the real money is in new ideas and not in making a way cool anti-establishment over priced computer.

Oh, those sophisticated Europeans.

#127 Rayra

Thanks for reminding me about the oath. It has been a while. I took it in 1963, and I still plan to live by it. The Constitution has already been screwed with enough by the courts. If they get too carried away, we might just have ourselves another revolution.

#216 Rayra

I think it's because that aristocratic structure is the only one that works as a suitable backdrop for their chosen brand of Hero. Engaged in Single Combat with the might of moral / principled / coda outrage.

I can't agree. Especially in the Harrington books, Honor's position would have been no different. As for Roger, well, I can't quite see who else would warrant a Marine bodyguard who had to put up with him, as the initial premise required.

But in Weber's other books, all too often, the main character doesn't need to be working in a monarchy. Think Path of the Fury, for instance.

#183 American Soldier

Bastard!

;>)

There is someting to be said about the way Alois Hammer deals with politicians.

#228 Rayra

Yep, those Old Dead White Guys knew what they were doing.

Yep, they also knew that they weren't handing out rights, but after acknowledging that they were endowed by the Creator, protected them from infringement.

These clowns at Yale want to make stuff up.

#232 Quilly Mammoth

Yeah, have your executioner dispose of him, then marry his daughter. It does sort of make the duty of revenge tricky - Orestes would know.

Have to sleep fast for tonight's ER tour. Later, Y'all.

>I suppose that if I were one of his ancestors I would probably beat him >with a cane.

All too many people's ancestors - and other family members - were beaten to death at Che's orders.

Whether it's Robespierre in France, Lenin in Russia, Castro/Che in Cuba, or Pol Pot in Cambodia, the first thing that the Left does once its in power is to start murdering any who might oppose it. 100+ million murdered (and counting) and there are still people in the world who are stupid and ignorant enough to actually believe that Socialism/Communism deserves another chance instead of the total eradication from the planet that it has earned.

#236 American Soldier,

Take care and thanks for defending your Country.

#188 'Nam Grunt - Thanks my friend. I can handle it on my own, just wish we could move it off the internet and make it more, uh, interpersonal. Just one or more scumbags trying to take Charles and LGF down by attacking, in a vicious manner,
MANY of the regulars here. I'm advised by many of my friends here on LGF, that several of us have been targeted and attacked - including, but not limited to: Iron Fist, justdanny, reaganite, Jheka, me and Charles hisownself.
Just cowards hiding behind keyboards (probably in their parents basement, where they still live!).

#237 Malleus Dei

For some reason, the left's motto seems to be, "Well, that didn't work, so let's do it some more!"

Points to anyone who recognizes the source of the quotation.

#203 Rayra
#205 Realwest

What I am trying to think is how to balance the thugs who are using the Judiciary to change the Country (and the Constitution).

The Armed Forces must for sure be under the command of the President and I wasn't trying to talk about a coup.

Rayra says:

When the next mega-attack on US soil occurs, an American Beslan, it will be The People that will rise up and do what our FedGov has FAILED to do over the last 3-1/2 years (and for the foreseeable future) - wipe / push out the Wahabist 5th columnists within our Nation.

I see this as the GREATEST danger, the danger to have the People on one side and the Feds on the other.

Everybody will hate me for saying this (TROLLS: IT IS NOT LGF saying this, it's me, your beloved deranged P-L) but I think that in case of an attack we should proclaim the State of Emergency, suspend the habeas corpus (it has been done, by Lincoln) and the Armed Forces should be allowed to play a LARGE role in the defense of the Country from the enemies who are in fact inside.

Dianna and Rayra:

Prince Roger series is great - just ordered We Few, book four, which was just released. Can't wait for it to arrive. But I have to do my taxes before I can read it!

I like the combination of sci fi and medievalism. Barrayar (Lois McMaster Bujold) especially is interesting - it's truly feudal, yet ultra-modern. Interesting combination.

#242 LP

So who are you characterizing as being the "enemy?"

Apparently, they aren't even as smart as the USSR Communist party. And boy let me tell you that takes some doing. According to the report on Powerline this is one of their "new" ideas:

"...economic citizenship-stakeholder society in which every young adult gets a form of citizen inheritance of $80,000 funded by a wealth tax of 2% over $450,000-every American citizen would have $80,000. This has been adopted by Tony Blair-every baby born in England now has this"

This was a bad idea when it was first tried over 2,000 years ago in the Roman Empire and its still a bad idea. If this was implemented all we would ever argue about is which candidate would do the most to raise the $80,000 limit. John Kerry would probably launch a blistering speech implying that the supporters of the original $80,000 figure are Fascist, Ted Kennedy would say "if $80,000 is a good idea why not $180,000". Kusinich would win the argument with a 99 % tax on everyone making more than $50,000 a year and a $2 million pay-out. Vote for him and we'll all be rich!

This whole subject does sound an awful like David Weber's "Basic Living Stipend." I hope they are not getting all their ideas from failed totalitarian empires in military science-fiction series. But, who knows.

silly silly silly

#240 realwest,

Hell Brother they are just goofey moonbats, I wouldn't even worry about it, anybody can make threats and lie on the internet, because they lack the intestinal fortitude to say what they really want to say in the real world, I wouldn't give it a second thought. ;-)

Dogzard rules!

MODERATE RISK FOR SEVERE WEATHER, INITIALLY TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL, EVOLVING INTO SQUALL LINE WITH DAMAGING WIND THREAT KANSAS TO NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS.

The early morning SPC SWODY2 did not have a MODERATE RISK area, which surprised me a little, but they came to their senses with the 1730 UTC SWODY2

Latest GFS suggests heavy rain, with slightly elevated storms over Kansas, while farther south the cap just starts to break during the late afternoon I-35 corridor OKC to DFW area. NAM suggests storm initiation doesn't quite start until closer to early evening. But by midnight, a healthy line of storms will have formed from the individual supercells that developed on the dryline. Before the cells congeal into a squall line/MCS, they will have potential to generate tornadoes, as NAM soundings show CAPE near 2000 J/Kg south of I-40 and east of US 75, with deep layer shear from 30 knots near Tulsa to 80 knots near Tyler.

Low level helicities near 200 m²s^-2, while not extremely high, will be enough with the available CAPE for at least isolated tornadoes.

During the overnight hours Sunday into Monday, a squall line will advance from near Kansas City to near Houston.

Severe Weather Season is still early, and this will only be a moderate impact event.

BTW, 52 days to Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Season.

While the extreme southern Gulf of Mexico is now approaching the magic 26.5^oC required for tropical cyclone formation, the Gulf off the coast of Texas still has a way to go.

But, the Gulf of Mexico will receive every last possible amount of solar energy it can today, as the skies are clear over the GOMEX.

Poitiers

The Consititution states: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Note that it calls the writ of habeus corpus a privileg, not a right. Remember also that the Founders meant by "public Safety," the worst shit-your-pants situation imaginable, not a vague "crisis."

#243 Cattt

Bought, delivered and finished two weeks ago. Now I want more!

That's the problem with series. You can't read just one.

#248 Quilly Mammoth

If she followed her god long enough, she usually got to kill something.

But, oh, Rastar, Prince of Therdan is my true hero!

Ed
With the pressure here at the MOOKKS border dropping..currently 29.71...I think it will move east of the projection

#244 Lone Star State of Mind

So who are you characterizing as being the "enemy?"

For a start, I might say that here at LGF we often notice that sedition and treason are now perfectly legal...I would say that this should change, and that gives you a part of the answer.

And I would consider an enemy any community that hosts and protects a terrorist.

The Army could control the territory in a way that no police agency could.

The fact is, we must yet understand that we are at war and that it will last for a long long time, and the gloves should be off.

And Ringo had to _forced_, forced I tell you to keep her as a character. If Weber has treecats Ringo needs an intensely loyal killer female lizard!

Hmmm
:)

#250 Pookleblinky

Thanks for the precise wording.
Being that the wording, the habeas corpus should have been suspended on Sept. 12th, since we are being INVADED and attacked.
And the enemies openly state their intention to invade and conquer the whole world.

But I guess that I will win a majority when it will be way too late to avoid the horrors of a full blown war in our Country.

#257 Quilly Mammoth

But how, then, do we explain Patsy?

#258 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'm not sure that habeas corpus could have been suspended after 9-11 even _if_ the Congress had declared war. Part of the test, if I am remembering the SCOTUS ruling after the ACW was the amount of public threat and the extent of the area where habeas corpus is suspended. Ex parte Milligan still has not been answered as to whether the suspension of habeas corpus requires the consent of the Congress.

That being said Lincoln's letter to Corning is interesting:

Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert?

252 Dianna

That's for sure. I just started reading sci fi two or three years ago, and so I had tons of books for a while, until I caught up on everyone. I read a lot of ebooks, and Larry Niven hooked me by planting a free story online. Thanks, Mr. Niven! After reading all his stuff, I branched out.

#259

Note to self:

Patty, damnit! PIMF! And stop listening to Patsy Cline!

Progressive = liberal = socialist = hang on to your wallet.

Ugh, I needed breath of LGF air.

Charles and all, is it ok if I tell you?

I was banned off this site :
[Link: www.crichton-official.com...]

for accusing the scientist's posting there (pro UN run International Planetary Panel on Climate) (After reading "State of Fear") and reading a huge amount of global warming "theories" and believing they have very same agenda you all speak of, and that Kyoto would weaken the USA-- Them's scary words for a leftest global uniter.

I provided valid links, asked them to clarify valid questions. My valid links and valid questions were accused of being "religious" based on faith, unsubstantiated, and unproven, or not relivant.

All this too when I was bringing up the Geologic Record, orbital forcings, and past/present ice ages. My posts were deleted for "being too long" as well via the pm system. (like a discussion like that could be short?) And I am not the only poster who had this opinion. Don't know their own status at this time however.

There is no way to contact the administrator.

I haven't ever been banned before!

Didn't know I was such a trouble maker!

#247 'Nam Grunt

Another option is to visit them where they live (www . lgfwatch . blogspot . com, minus the spaces) and smack them around some. Sure, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, but it's fun watching them get all frothy. :-)

New USMC Poster Art

Patsy was a lizardlike animal as well. Iirc only tha basiks were mammalian. John didn't understand that some of his most attractive characters were the ones that he didn't even intend. John was posting snippets and people started asking "Where's Dogzard?" Whole threads started on it. It became apparent that as he killed off the Marines he had to add new characters for the readers to care about for the story to work. Roger just isn't likeable enough until the end of the second book.

That's part of the problem with writing a character that has to be dislikeable by the people around him as a lead.

Charles,
Harvard Law is also having a "rebuilding the Left" conference.

Conference site: http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2005/04/08_dems.ph p

#265 JustAHouseWife,

Take a deep breath, and it will be okay!

#265 Just a Housewife

Well, you see, you were questioning their faith. The only possible answer to that is to accuse you of trying to convert them.

Sigh.

I'm sorry you were banned. It never feels all that good.

Just remember, I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member!

(Does not apply to LGF.)

Donaldsons "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever".

Most reluctant depressing hero ever.

#265 Just a Housewife

No heretics allowed! ;))

#268 Quilly Mammoth

Yes, but if we're talking intensely loyal female lizards (I'm not really sure I want to go there), Patty's a pretty apalling image. The pachyderm analogy gets...touchy.

Quilly,

Have you read any Varley?

#267 T. Jefferson,

YUP! You and I sir think alike, but then all of us that were serious about defending this Great Country think alike, not the sunny day patriots. I really would like to shake them sometimes and tell them we are at war and Brave Men are dying so they can jog around their cities with a smile on their faces downgrading America.

#274 Dianna

It is important to remember that intensely loyal killer female lizards come in all shapes and sizes.

I've started a project where the female lead is "not-svelte" thinking type fighter. It will interesting to see what happens. This one may get bought!

You know the constitution was just fien when Bill Clinton was in office.

T. Jefferson here you are,

AMERICA...ARE YOU LISTENING America, thirty years ago you abandoned us. You turned your back on us, forgot our sacrifices and classified us as losers, drug addicts and social outcasts. Hollywood gladly persisted in portraying us to a younger generation and to the world as drug-addled sadists, loners and borderline psychopaths.
You never welcomed us home with open arms or words of comfort for our wounds. Instead, we were greeted by sneering leftist, Communists and fifth columnists posing as students, professors and members of the almighty press, all anxious to document the return of its wayward sons to a country all too quick and pleased to forget us.
Our own families, force-fed a diet of lies by its trusted television newsmen, doubted the nature of our sacrifices and quietly, shamefully, accepted our unadorned return.
Faced with such singular ignominy, we quietly resumed our lives, jobs, educations and careers. The overwhelming majority of us succeeded in those interrupted lives and careers, becoming doctors,engineers,architects,lawyers,bus inessmen,accountants,and all other professions imaginable. We established businesses, became wealthy, raised families, paid taxes, had grandchildren. By any measure, we achieved the American dream-not because it was handed to us in payment for our service,sacrifices or victimization-but earned by us in spite of it.
For thirty years and more we quietly persevered in our march to heal the wound inflicted on our souls, not by the armed enemy we faced on the battlefield, but by our the Killing countrymen In our rear - some, but not very, very many at all, who had even worn the uniform. Such a deep wound had been healing slowly and without any help from those who gleefully inflicted it. And then, one of the men who wielded the original knife...the dagger sharpened by his ideological masters in Hanoi,Beijing,Moscow and Havana...re-emerges from our past and begins to once again twist that knife he so deeply thrust into our backs. He now emerges, wearing the mantle of respectable member of Congress, who rode his once-shameful Vietnam service into the halls of political power...who now seeks the highest office in the land, professing to be one of us...the abandoned ones, the forgotten ones, the murderers, rapists and sadists he loudly and theatrically damned in front of a world watching, listening and reading in 1971. He now proudly proclaims shedding blood for a Nation whose service he condemned in 1971, whose medals he contemptuously threw on the Capital grounds and which he now wears, unstained by the shame of his rejecting them when his nation needed solidarity. He now claims heroism as his badge of honor in an army of savages not seen since the "hordes of Genghis Khan."

And he does all of this without shame, guilt or remorse in front of us, the forgotten ones, the abandoned ones...and what is most terrifing to us, the ones who were never ashamed of our service, who have quietly kept the faith of our fathers, who have faithfully remembered and honored our dead, who have never "cashed in" on our military service, and who had slowly and painfully learned to accept our anonymity - is the fact this opportunist, this sunshine patriot, this back-stabbing traitor to his uniformed compatriots...this elitist, gold-digger...may possibly become our Commander-in-Chief.And you...America...our dearly loved Nation...who abandoned us so many years ago, and to whom we have remained faithful nonetheless...are you going to shame us once again?
A VIETNAM VETERAN
#149

OT rant:

Just saw on BBC news that the "ceasefire" is threatened because of the shooting by IDF forces of two Gaza youths as well as the intention of "right wing Jewish groups" to hold paryers in the "area of the Al Aqsa Mosque".

HUH?

February 25: Suicide bombing in Tel Aviv kills five, injures dozens.

Didn't seems to threaten the "ceasefire"

"Area of the Al Aqsa Mosque": The Temple Mount!

GRRR!

I like Varley's short stories better.

#280 Golden Jerusalem

Check out the Egypt Jihad topic, I've posted about it there.

#277 Quilly Mammoth

Sometime, I'd like to see it. If so, just drop me an e-mail. I've got some stuff you might like, too, assuming you're not too busy earning a living.

I read voraciously, and even with hanging out here, I still get through four or five books a week. New material welcome, provided there is no navel gazing. I'm a blood on the bulkheads kind of girl.

#240 realwest

Just cowards hiding behind keyboards (probably in their parents basement, where they still live!).

Or the campus media library. Harder to trace that way.