Lovely. Give'm a state.

#2,

Gaseous, or plasma?

Then what does it represent?

The RoP-ma kills (again).

All these guys need is a state. The civilised behaviouir will take root and peace will reign -- Just a state and..... a few million more dead Jews.

ah...........more from the religion of peace!

We waited until the gunmen left the area before we called the police and an ambulance

and they did what exactly? What is the SOP for the ROP by the COPs for this crime?

Looks like the Taliban have found a new neighborhood to operate in. The Palestinians think these clowns are going to be their saviors. So sad.

#2

Plasma?

A hundred bucks says one of the killers was a spurned suitor.

But they still get a state right?

The fiance and sister were later brutally beaten and moderately injured by the attackers.

/? ? ? ? ?

er.... #3

Plasma?

And where is the outrage from those here who fail to see any crime worth the death penalty but support these thugs who arbitrarily impose a death sentence for ANY (perceived) crime?

This does not represent Islam.

The more they say it, the more I don't believe it.

And who the heck are they kidding, calling the police on Hamas? Hell, the cops were probably the commanders who ordered the attack in the first place.

Ah, the influence of Wahabbism shows its ugly face again. Hamas gets a lot of money from Saudi Wahabbis, and the beliefs of the state death-cult of Saudi Arabia have a great deal of influence in Hamas. It's no surprise they took to instituting their own version of the Saudi religious police. The same thing happened in Afghanistan, where the Taleban received a lot of financial support from Saudi Wahabbis, such as bin Laden.

The heart of the evil we face is in Saudi Arabia, and until the marriage of Wahabbism and oil money is broken, it will always be a threat. It's a tragedy that this young woman had to die before enough people realized this.

#3 Dar ul Harb

Gaseous, or plasma?

As in state...I gets it.

What
Would
Mohammed
Do?

Probably at least let all his homies "have a turn" before beating the biatch to death.

/retch

You assholes on the left that support the Palestinians are partners in crime to this bullshit.

The witnesses were too afraid to call the police?

So now they are getting what they've been wishing for. What? They don't want what they thought they wanted and wished for?
Oh sad, so sad.
I do feel badly for the poor young woman, who was murdered for being in the company of her fiancee and her sister.
That isn't even the tip of the iceberg of what they're about to
encounter now that the Israelis will no longer be there to "protect" them.
Think they'll see their loss?

Required reading: Burned Alive

Burned Alive: A Victim of the Law of Men /
Souad

Book Description
The shocking true story of a young girl from the West Bank, who survived an attempted honour killing
Synopsis
When Souad was seventeen she fell in love. In her village, as in so many others, sex before marriage was considered a grave dishonour to one's family and was punishable by death. This was her crime. Her brother-in-law was given the task of arranging her punishment. One morning while Souad was washing the family's clothes, he crept up on her, poured petrol over her and set her alight. In the eyes of their community he was a hero. An execution for a 'crime of honour' was a respectable duty unlikely to bring about condemnation from others. It certainly would not have provoked calls for his prosecution. More than five thousand cases of such honour killings are reported around the world each year and many more take place that we hear nothing about. Miraculously, Souad survived rescued by the women of her village, who put out the flames and took her to a local hospital. Horrifically burned, and abandoned by her family and community, it was only the intervention of a European aid worker that enabled Souad to receive the care and sanctuary she so desperately needed and to start her life again. She has now decided to tell her story and uncover the barbarity of honour killings, a practice which continues to this day. Burned Alive is a shocking testimony, a true story of almost unbelievable cruelty. It speaks of amazing courage and fortitude and of one woman's determination to survive. It is also a call to break the taboo of silence that surrounds this most brutal of practices and which ignores the plight of so many other women who are also victims of traditional violence.

The new force, called the Anti-Corruption Unit

So this must be the anti-corruption unit that plays good cop to the Mazen Corruption Unit™...

This does not represent Islam.”

You keep saying zat... I do not sink zat means what you sink zat means...

I love how the Palis think they are a classier act than those fundies.

"They are behaving like the Taliban in Afghanistan," a senior police officer told the Post. "We won't allow them to take the law into their own hands, because we are not in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran."

but it is islam, it's the islam that will be practiced all over if these thugs gain a foothold- which is why we can't allow it.

hell they're already doing this in europe- but then the europeans just get their drawers in a bunch rather than doing anything about it. oh wait, they form committees and issue statements.

read "The Sword and the Prophet".

The assailants dragged the young woman’s body out of the car, pouncing upon it mercilessly with clubs and iron bars.

Even wild animals stop attacking when their prey is dead. What kind of "people" are these?

I'm keeping my t.v. on so I won't miss the press conference Hillary, Code Pink, Susan Estrich, and the Babs - Streisand and Boxer - are going to hold to speak out against this horrible crime committed on this innocent woman. Um, how long should I wait? Oh, they didn't put panties on her head before they bashed her dead body beyond recognition.......I guess there won't be a press conference after all......

Not all Islamic men are so brutal...Zahida's husband did not murder her...

The assailants dragged the young woman’s body out of the car, pouncing upon it mercilessly with clubs and iron bars.

This reminds me of the attack by Sadr's thugs on the students at Basra University, in which all of the witnesses said that the female students were singled out.

More than anything else, Islamist totalitarianism seems to be driven by a fear and hatred of female sexuality. It would all be quite pathetic if its results weren't so horrendous.

These poor Palistinians, cut off from Israel and no Jews to kill. So now they have to kill one of their own.

There have been honour killings happening in the UK, also.

No one will co operate with the cops. No one knows anything.
I think the dhimmis in the UK government don't want to marginalize the mohammedean vote by taking any action against this practice.

I mean, who are we to judge their culture?

The Palestians are history's greatest morons. They wanted Hamas. They'll get Hamas. And they'll wonder why they ever made a deal with the devil.

Allah would be pleased.
Jesus would weep.
G-d will fix it in His good time.

Just ask this. Who comitted all the pain in our world today? I SLAM. That's right I SLAM. No other.

Whether it represents islam or not is not that important, tho I suspect it does.

What it surely does represent, however, is the debasement and barbarism of palestinian society.

The crime is no more horrific that what they've been doing to jews, when they could get their hands on them:

Thirteen year old koby Mandel and friend had their heads beaten to jelly by a group of such thugs.

Tali Hatuel and her 4 young girls were shot point blank.

This story leaves me cold.

@28 PPP

Hey, where you been gal? :)

When the Jews are gone, the natural will happen. A vaccum will occur, and look what is going to fill it.

Not Afghanistan? Not Saudia Arabia...don't be so sure about that!

Here cometh the religious police!

#17 Anthony

The heart of the evil we face is in Saudi Arabia, and until the marriage of Wahabbism and oil money is broken, it will always be a threat.

Indeed. The Iranian mullahs are a menace as well, but their influence is generally limited to the 10% or so of all Muslims who are Shia. Most of the rest are Sunni, and it's the Saudi financing of Wahhabism that's most likely to turn them into misogynous totalitarian death cultists.

And it seems that Bush's ties to the oil industry and the Saudi royal family are blinding him to this fact. Or at least making him adopt a kid gloves policy that doesn't threaten any serious consequences.

Only two people in the entire world are allowed by President Bush's mother, Barbara, to smoke inside the Bush family home in Kennebunkeport. One is the President himself. The other is Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador. That's something to think about.

There's an alternative explanation for this:
Hamas says that the men were trying to rob the occupants of the vehicle and killed one of them in the process.

Hamas is throwing the perpetrators out of their organization.

The student, who asked not to be named, said he and several other people at the scene were too afraid to interfere.

Until this attitude changes, such intimidation will continue. Because it works.

This has nothing to do with controlling vice and promoting virtue (even if that were possible) and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HAVING ANOTHER WAY TO BULLY AND CONTROL THE RESIDENTS OF GAZA! The moment that no one was looking, these same guys would be drinking their faces off and fornicating around with abandon, even with animals, but only the MOMENT someone is there to see do they control their behavior. So these guys couldn't care LESS about whether there is sin or vice around--in fact, left to their own devices, that's ALL there'd be--pr0n and lots of it--and rape and pillage!

Oh, no! This is about having an 'acceptable' public way to bully people and push them around on the street, particularly women! Having lost their normal outlet for aggression, the Palestinians are having to find c reative ways to bully the 'unacceptable' elements in their own society in order to take out the aggression they normally reserve for Israelis.

FINISH THE WALL!

While Charles highlighted one of the best lines, there are actually two:
This does not represent Islam.” The student, who asked not to be named...

This is very representative of something - where these people bring their sadistic political and religious beliefs, then the majority are fearful of simply speaking their minds.

Now, notice I don't say that "Islam" is sadistic. I believe it's the sadistic leaders and culture that allow it.

But something about their "popular" culture doesn't seem to do too much about these crimes. What is it in their culture that allows such sadism? In what way can this culture of the AD 600s have any relevance to the modern world?

I think their culture is hopeless. No matter how much money and attention, their culture is too sick to survive. At some point, it will simply implode. There will be years - decades - of misery.

If the US were to intervene as it has in Iraq, the years of misery would be shortened. But there will be misery as long as these sadistic religious fundamentalists hold sway over their culture.

Yes, give the Palestinians a state. They deserve to be ruled by Hamas. I can't think of a more sadistic and insane group to rule over them. They're even more extreme than the Taliban. It would be a just reward for their genocidal intentions towards Israel for so many years.

You reap what you sow.

#38,

Only two people in the entire world are allowed by President Bush's mother, Barbara, to smoke inside the Bush family home in Kennebunkeport. One is the President himself. The other is Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador. That's something to think about.

Where'd you get the report that W smokes? That's the first I've heard of that...

Those who sow to the wind will reap the whirlwind.

Those in the so-called "Palestinian" territories have made a pact with the devil, and they will reap the full fruits.

You cannot build a society of life where death is celebrated and encouraged, where the crowd looks away as helpless members are beated to a pulp by a small minority.

The so-called "Palestinians" grow ever further away from decency.

This does not represent Islam.

Imagine the same brutal murder in Indianapolis. Witness deadpans,

Well! That was not very Christian.

37 quark2
Hey there! I was out of town Fri, Sat and Sun - I think I missed a lot of good threads!

This article is way beyond disgusting and horrible. How can MSM and the LLL's not see what's going on ? This should be the lead news story, not idiotic senators spouting nonsense at the confirmation hearings today.

Sadly I see only one solution. Muslims themselves must finally understand the dark side of their own religion and change it. The need their own reformation and they need to rise up and say to the extremist enough, now stop or die.

The rest of the world can contain it, medigate it, disperse it but to finally stop it muslims must finish it. Until they finally get sick enough of the crap it will continue. Apologists such as those inflateable dummies in CAIR are not helping.

#42 steve miller

where these people bring their sadistic political and religious beliefs, then the majority are fearful of simply speaking their minds.

That culture has never policed their own. That is a fundamental requirement for a civilized, peaceful, progressive culture, imho.

How the hell do you get "brutally beaten" and only "moderately injured?"

It's not all bad. Bring on Islamic law.

Beautify "Palestine"- put Hannan Ashrawi in a Burka.

More seriously. All these "give em a state" sarcasm is no longer sarcastic. They're getting one.

How many Jews will die due to the "peaceful future together" (in our time) meeting today in Texas?

#50 Lunatic John 4/11/2005 07:03PM PDT

How the hell do you get "brutally beaten" and only "moderately injured?"

I wondered the same thing. Rubber hoses maybe?

#44,

Well, I googled it, and it seems that Maureen Dowd and Kevin Phillips are the source of that anecdote, about W. and Bandar being the only ones allowed to smoke (cigars) at Kennebunkport.

#51 Opinionated, I took notice of the Texas meeting also. You are correct in your assesment. How many will die because of this line of thought? Scary, it makes me tremble to think of it. Why the hell slould the Israelies give them anything? God save them.

Friends,
Take Souad's story, as cruel and horrific as it is, and multiply that by 20,000...

THAT is the ferocity and cruelty focused on the nascent Baha'i community by Muslims in their pogroms to stamp out the Faith of God!

Give them a state, give them what they deserve. My guess, one year and they will be eating each other alive.

#53 Dar ul Harb

Complete fiction and they source each other. Par.

#43

I don't remember exactly where I got that piece of information, but a Google search for "bandar smoke kennebunkport" turns up a whole bunch of hits about the Saudi ambassador's smoking priviliges.

[Link: www.google.com...]

It might be that Bush doesn't smoke, at least not anymore, but the part about Bandar clearly holds up.

Freedom fighters. They're freedom fighters, and the bravest of the bold children of Islam.

/channeling Saruman

It's their culture, dude. And besides, desperation made them do it.

/channeling moonbat

And I think the broader point here is about how chummy the Bush family has been over the years with the House of Saud. That Bandar is invited Kennebunkport in the first place speaks to that fact. Has the Israeli ambassador ever been given such an honor? The Australian or Japanese ambassador, maybe?

I'm not buying into any conspiracy theories about the W. trying to screw over America with backdoor deals, but it's not crazy to believe that this kind of long-standing relationship between the two families can affect his judgement on foreign policy.

Ha'aretz has a different take. Hamas apologizes for murder of Gazan

Hamas gunmen stopped a car with four passengers at around 9 P.M. last Friday. The gunmen, who apparently were attempting to rob the couples - two brothers and their girlfriends

This DOES represent Islam...and that is the problem.

These murderers are the very same people who want to take over the world and commit acts like that worldwide.

These are the people that we have to stop cold in their tracks.

And again I ask, just who caused this kind of hell on our planet? Was it the Christians, the Jews, the Hindus or who? Let us just guess.

Just remember, when you're confused about Islam, all you need to do is consult. . .

Ask Imam Online Islam Fatwa Questions and Answers

/too lazy to research which lizaroid actually posted stuff from this site first, but it wasn't me

#36 Maine's Michael

Thirteen year old koby Mandel and friend...>

Yosi, hy"d,were tortured to death for a number of hours. In addition, their murderers were just passing shepherds - not Hamas terrorists; just everyday, ordinary Philistines.

So, this was what St. Pancake and her liberal friends were fighting for? When are the bra-burners going to speak out?

#63 Killian Bundy

Oh wow - haven't been there in awhile.

It's great for some laughs:

It may, superficially, appear distasteful to copulate with a woman who is not a man's legal wife, but once Shariat makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariat, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension. Allah Ta'ala has said in the Holy Quran: “Wa maa ooteetum min al-ilm illaa qaleelan” which means, more or less, that, "You have been given a very small portion of knowledge”. Hence, if a person fails to comprehend the underlying wisdom of any law of Shariat, he cannot regard it as a fault of Shariat (Allah forbid), on the contrary, it is the fault of his own perception and lack of understanding, because no law of Shariat is contradictory to wisdom.

"It's not my fault you don't understand the wisdom"

And this... from the dah-lings of the left:

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.

"It was truly for her own good"

(everybody watch your shoes)

*spit*

*ptew*ptew*blaaaaaaaaaah*

@47 PPP

Well you were missed. :)
And don't be doing that again! *LOL

Between a waste of taxpayers money trying to get Bolton act and say things that would determine of guilt of what I don't know...He drove his own car!...and then reading about a young woman being shot to death and then her body mutilated in a public place is purely disgusting.

# 60

That article says Hamas was going to "expel the murderers from their ranks."

Shouldn't it say something like, "Hamas launched a manhunt for the murderers, apprehended them, and turned them over to the authorities for trial and punishment--anything from 20 years in prison to execution" ?

Nah, that's what would happen in a CIVILIZED society. In "Palestine," you just get kicked out of the club.

#65 Bubbaman, You won't hear squat from the bra burners about this. They are busy sucking up LLL votes and can't be bothered with anything real.

More Wahabbists "keepin it real" I see...

More of this from the "religion of peace" is sure to follow.

Seriously though, what a bunch of asshats! These Cro-magnan jackasses really need to reform or get off my planet.

Everytime I see the Israelis fire a missile at these pig fuckers I just get all warm and tingly inside. It just gives me a warm fuzzy to know that somewhere in the world, someone is blowing up these jokers.

I notice no outcry from the asshats in the MSM or the LLL about this. Sure makes the ol' underwear on the head gag at Abu Gharib not seem so bad.

FI Moonbats are worried about us and not them; go figure....

#17 Anthony (Los Angeles)
The heart of the evil we face is in Saudi Arabia, and until the marriage of Wahabbism and oil money is broken, it will always be a threat. It's a tragedy that this young woman had to die before enough people realized this.

And you think this death will make a difference?

#28 PollyPrissypants
I'm keeping my t.v. on so I won't miss the press conference Hillary, Code Pink, Susan Estrich, and the Babs - Streisand and Boxer - are going to hold to speak out against this horrible crime committed on this innocent woman.

Turn your TV off, you're wasting electricity for nothing...

#38 Bob24
#17 Anthony

The heart of the evil we face is in Saudi Arabia, and until the marriage of Wahabbism and oil money is broken, it will always be a threat.
And it seems that Bush's ties to the oil industry and the Saudi royal family are blinding him to this fact. Or at least making him adopt a kid gloves policy that doesn't threaten any serious consequences.

I agree, but I don't think it's just the Bush administration. Seems to me the previous administrations coozied-up to the
Saudis too. I think this is one of those times when we can't rely on our government to do what is best for our nation. Kinda like the Minuteman Project going on now, we need a grassroots movement to force our government to act. We have a "Get the UN out of the US movement, why can't we have a Get Saudi Arabia out of the US movement? Imagine if Hannity & Colmes or O' Reilly took up this call and ran with it for more than one segment. Like O'Reilly's "Boytcott French Products" program. Even though I agree with the French boycott, I sure as Hell think Saudi Arabia is a larger threat than France!

Muslim parent pleads guilty to handing over son to non-Muslim woman
[Link: mggpillai.com...]

#30 Bob24 4/11/2005 06:28PM PDT

More than anything else, Islamist totalitarianism seems to be driven by a fear and hatred of female sexuality.

Let's just suppose that there is something to any of the three "religions of the book." Well then, here's something interesting:

The Gender of the Holy Spirit
The Biblical Hebrew word for spirit is ruwach (also transliterated as ruach), meaning wind, breath, inspiration; the noun is grammatically feminine. In the "Odes of Solomon'; the oldest surviving Christian hymnal, the Holy Spirit is grammatically female. The Greek word for spirit, 'pneuma', is of the neuter gender. The Holy Spirit is translated in masculine terms only in languages such as Latin and English. The term "Holy Ghost" is widely used by American Christians, whereas "Holy Spirit" is the common European term.

[Link: psychcentral.com...]

Hmm, as I read it, the original texts indicate that one of the major aspects of God is female. What do you think She is going to think about these misogynists? Let's just say I wouldn't want to be them at the end of the game...

How come we never portray the devil as female? I mean, outside of our spouses...

;)

What I found most telling in this slaughter of a young engaged woman was what they did afterward.

The way they viciously beat her corpse with clubs and iron bars - their actions were similar to Paleo lynchings of IDF soldiers and their street executions of suspected collaborators.

Hamas and the other terror orgs have got to be extinguished.

#75 rightasrain:

Now the rats turn on one another. Closing scene from King Rat.

I wonder if Cat Stevens supports the Anti Corruption Unit.

"Oh Very Young, what will you leave us this time
You're only dancin' on this earth for a short while
Oh Very Young, what will you leave us this time"

WOMEN IN THE QUR'AN AND HADITH
UNBELIEVERS AND APOSTATES
PAEDOPHILIA
STONING TO DEATH
QUOTES
TOXIC QUOTES
EXCUSES
USEFUL LINKS
RECOMMENDED READING

[Link: www.atheistfoundation.org.au...]

#73

I can't remember where I read it, but I recall that the word Yahweh actually meant man/woman indicating that God was both man and woman in aspect.

And boy, is the girl part going to be feeling on the rag when those Islamofascist woman-hating pizzle dicks finally meet the distaff half of their maker.

although this is the kind of mysogyny i'd expect from hamas, this is a big shock to other palestinians. we have a huge problem with honor killings, but this is the kind of thing we'd expect from the saudis or the taliban, not our own society. palestinians are supposed to be one of the more liberal arab societies (not that that's saying much) so this is pretty indicative of the growing trend of islamic fundamentalism.

but am i shocked that hamas did this? no. they're islamic fundamentalists, and this is what they do - terrorize, torture and kill innocent women. as for the "this is not islam" argument - doesnt work.

one thing that is important to note, however, is that most palestinians would not expect this from hamas. people support hamas because they see them as a political independence movement that has an islamic tone, not the other way around. they're seen as more about independence and less about sharia. they're clearly wrong and naive.

i've been trying to tell other palestinians this for ages, that these guys will take our society in a direction that will make things even worse than they already are. if hamas gain power, there will be more incidents like this...

by the way...for those of you who use this stuff to throw in nasty comments about palestinians in general - quit it. if we're all so evil and undeserving of human existence, then you probably don't care much about Yusra al-Azzami or others like her. after all, she's one of "them". keep in mind that the evil lies in ideology, not the people who pay for it.

hamas is the muslim brotherhood offshoot in paliland--its what the "students" protesting at al azhar in cairo have to look foward too if they get their way--pious fucking misogynous murderers--cutting open a female belly with a jambiya instead of belly dancing--peurile fanatic pond scum--is it the desert or the culture--even pre-islamic arabian societies were known for their contentiousness and aggressiveness--which is why the byzantines never invaded the southern arabian peninsula--who wanted to be botherered with these tribal animals

"It was the most horrific crime I’ve seen in my life,” said a university student who witnessed the attack. “What they did to the body while it was lying on the ground was barbaric. This does not represent Islam."

In light of 9/11, Beslan, Theo Van Gogh, Zarqawi's head- sawing, Darfur, Kashmir, Sbarro's Pizzeria, allowing Saudi schoolgirls to burn to death rather than be seen in public in 'immodest' dress, the routine murder of Christians in Pakistan, execution of women by stoning, the Madrid train bombings, the bombing in Bali and other incidents far too numerous to mention, might I suggest that quite to the contrary, it perfectly represents Islam?

Slight OT (but not much):

In this MSM article (Philadelphia Inquirer) on college students opposing the genocide caused by Arabs in Sudan, there is not a clue as to the identity of the perps. The LLL media, of course, can't be blaming members of the RoP for this genocide...must be the fault of the Jooooooos, right?

Students take action to aid Sudan

By Patrick Kerkstra
Inquirer Staff Writer

[Link: www.philly.com...]

If any college student could fully grasp the horror of the genocide unfolding in Sudan, it is Swarthmore College freshman Stephanie Nyombayire, a Rwandan citizen who lost family members in the massacres that began there 11 years ago.

"The first thing you notice is the tents in the middle of the desert, tents as far as you can see, two million displaced people materializing in front of you," said Nyombayire, who recently returned from a weeklong trip to refugee camps in Chad, along Sudan's border.

"You realize the scale of it. So many people. They each have a story to tell, but the stories are all the same."

Those stories have received scant attention in the media, and governments - including the United States' - have so far been unwilling to intervene forcefully in the tragedy.

But on more than 160 college campuses nationwide, a large and growing network of students is fast becoming a powerful advocate for intervention. Some of the largest and most committed student groups are local.

Swarthmore's leading-edge organization, known as the Genocide Intervention Fund (GIF) is raising money directly for an African peacekeeping force - perhaps the first time a humanitarian group has raised money to help field a military force.

A more traditional aid group founded by Georgetown University students known as STAND - Students Taking Action Now: Darfur - has one of its most active chapters at the University of Pennsylvania, as well as one at Rutgers University.

Students have organized other groups at Bryn Mawr and Haverford Colleges and at Temple, Drexel and St. Joseph's Universities.

Through petition drives, fund-raising and lobbying, STAND and GIF have lined up an impressive roster of supporters, including political figures such as U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (D., N.J.) and foreign policy heavyweights such as Gayle Smith, the former director of African Affairs on the National Security Council. Last week, Corzine and Sen. Sam Brownback (R., Kan.) spoke at a news conference launching GIF's 100 Days of Action campaign. The goal is to raise $1 million and get 100,000 signatures in 100 days.

It is an audacious target. But there is an all-consuming dedication by the group's students. All-nighters are routine. Travel - to Washington and to other schools - is typically paid for out of the students' pockets.

"I joined the Genocide Intervention Fund in the first or second week of November and have sort of devoted my life to it since then," Cara Angelotta said. "I'm not doing so well in my classes, but don't tell my mom that."

She is bewildered by the question "Why are you doing this?"

"My response is, 'Well, why aren't you?' " Angelotta said.

"Once you know about it, you have to do something," agreed Penn sophomore Anna Mayergoyz, founder of Penn's STAND chapter. Mayergoyz saw an exhibit on the Sudan atrocities at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and began following developments in the news after that.

GIF's novel approach to the Sudan crisis - raising funds for African soldiers - separates the organization from the dozens of others working to raise money for humanitarian relief in Darfur. These Swarthmore students, and those at GIF chapters elsewhere, believe the genocide will be stopped only by a military force.

#80 nadz:

None of the sturm und drang about religion in the Middle Eastern countries is really about RELIGION! It's about making the people THINK it's about religion while all along it's about CONTROL! Control and how to keep it going and saying your 'religion' dictates this or that is a great way of getting a large group of people to go along with something. If they think Allah has dictated it and Hamas gets the local imams onside (which they will be since they know on which side of the pita bread the felafel sits). Once the imams tell the people that Allah wants something a certain way...they'll follow that instruction. Which is why it is so important to get the imams on their side.

Hamas is telling the truth when they say they are not 'into' religion as such. What they ARE into is CONTROL OF THE POPULATION, THEIR WORK UNITS AND THEIR MONEY!

Work units represent the value of what they can contribute to the fighting force of Hamas (either in support or as fighters or suicide bombers).

Let's give them all guns and clubs - build a wall around them and in a short time they will have killed all but one - the last one standing - arrest him - give him an honest trial - then hang him - problem solved

#29 KarmiCommunist

Not all Islamic men are so brutal...Zahida's husband did not murder her...

What did he do to her breasts and genitalia, I wonder?

#80 nadz

Thanks for writing tonight.

one thing that is important to note, however, is that most palestinians would not expect this from hamas. people support hamas because they see them as a political independence movement that has an islamic tone, not the other way around. they're seen as more about independence and less about sharia. they're clearly wrong and naive.

Up to 80% of the Palestinian population have supported suicide bombings and other mass murders (slaughters) of Jews. Do you realize what this says about Palestinians in general? American mass murderers are extremely few and they go to prison (and are often executed) without ANY popular support for their mass murders. 80% support for terrorism from Palestinians is horrid.

At some point, it would have been nice if the Palestinian people could have come to their own conclusions about how wrong and monstrous the terror groups have been all along. Now, it seems they're about to find out the hard way that the terror orgs have not been acting in their own people's best interests.

i've been trying to tell other palestinians this for ages, that these guys will take our society in a direction that will make things even worse than they already are. if hamas gain power, there will be more incidents like this...

The direction that PA/PLO/Fatah has taken your society has also been horribly bad. Look at how they've stolen from your people. Arafat turned into a billionaire while Palestinians mostly still live on $2 per day.

The new PA legislators were given $76,000 Audis. Just imagine how many people could have been given better living conditions with the money from these 100 $76,000 cars (not to mention how much better Palestinians would be living if they'd had the benefit of the billion dollars that Arafat stole - not to mention how many Palestinians would be alive and living better if this intifada hadn't been waged against Israel.)

by the way...for those of you who use this stuff to throw in nasty comments about palestinians in general - quit it. if we're all so evil and undeserving of human existence, then you probably don't care much about Yusra al-Azzami or others like her. after all, she's one of "them". keep in mind that the evil lies in ideology, not the people who pay for it.

People here have understood all along that it was never 100% of the Palestinians who were the problem. However, terrorism has had the support of 80% of the Palestinian population at times.

You're not Muslim - obviously you see things going wrong that other Palestinian don't see.

It was a LOST CAUSE from square one for the Palestinians to attack Israel in the belief that Israel would fold OR that Palestinians would be allowed to move into Israel by the millions to vote Israel into "Palestine."

I remember seeing a rare interview that an MSNBC anchor did with a Palestinian woman journalist who was operating in another Arab country but who was visiting the Palestinian areas at the time. This was three years ago.

He asked her how the Palestinians could do this intifada to themselves when it was already resulting in so much unemployment, misery and death for Palestinians after only one year.

She answered, 'What matters is what it does to THEM [Israelis]." She didn't care what it did to the Palestinians.

It's not ALL Palestinians or ALL Arabs who are bad, but when 80% of the Palestinian population supports and celebrates the mass murders of innocent Jewish women and children on a bus somewhere (people going about their day to day lives and not armed or expecting to be terrorized) -- a clear majority of Palestinians have sanctioned their own misery by getting into bed with groups like Hamas.

There has never been an excuse for what Hamas and the other terror groups have done, and there has never been an excuse for Palestinians (up to 80%) to support what they've done.

Good safety tip - when a leader calls for "millions of martyrs, millions of martyrs, millions of martyrs" among his own people while sending his own wife and daughter to live in Paris on $100,000 per month for living expenses - he doesn't have his people's best interests at heart.

When the PA teaches children on PA television and in PA schools that the best thing they could ever do in their lives is to commit suicide while killing Jews (and that they are OBLIGATED by Islam to do this) - they don't have their people's best interests at heart.

When Hamas and other terrorists hide among civilians in densely populated areas and they call on EVERYONE to go outside to start shooting when the IDF arrives to arrest them (thus resulting in a great many civilian deaths as part of combat) - they don't have their people's best interests at heart.

When 50 million Arabs that eventually grow to 300 million Arabs demand that people live in so-called refugee camps for 56 years to try to prove how bad Israelis are [for having defeated the Arab world in war] - they don't have the Palestinian people's best interests at heart.

No one on this entire planet would have been nicer to the Arabs in the Holy Land than the Jews (the people who invented the entire concept of social responsibility.)

The Palestinians have blown it.

While it might not be too shocking for a people living under PA dictatorship to keep believing in the great lie that they would defeat Israel while their leaders and terrorist mostly got rich - something could probably have been done to help the Palestinians if they'd seen how wrong it was to go along with the terrorists for a lost and impossible pipedream.

#87 rightasrain

thanks for the reply. you always have interesting responses.

"The direction that PA/PLO/Fatah has taken your society has also been horribly bad. Look at how they've stolen from your people."

no kidding! i'm no apologist for the PLO - they've screwed us over from day 1. they're a bunch of terrorist crooks who have no idea how to run a state. they have also been perfectly happy to support the militants when it suited their interests, while marginalizing sane voices.

"Up to 80% of the Palestinian population have supported suicide bombings and other mass murders (slaughters) of Jews."

trust me, those numbers are very depressing for me. note that it does change, however, when the peace process picks up. when the oslo accord was signed, people were throwing their guns away and celebrating. when things look hopeless, the support for hamas grows. i'm not justifying it, i'm just pointing out that hamas knows how to exploit desperation.

"You're not Muslim - obviously you see things going wrong that other Palestinian don't see."

that's got to help. no palestinian, muslim or christian or whatever, enjoys being occupied and living in the contions that they're in. but i can't help but wonder if the majority of us weren't muslim, would we have followed the example of ghandi or martin luther king jr instead of sheik yassin? would we have made wiser choices, and accepted past deals? maybe.

"There has never been an excuse for what Hamas and the other terror groups have done, and there has never been an excuse for Palestinians (up to 80%) to support what they've done."

of course not. i'm not justifying that. israel has done some unjustifiable things as well, as have all countries and societies. what we have to do, however, is learn from our many mistakes. supporting suicide bombings is immoral and stupid, but does that mean that a whole society "deserves" the situation they're in? i'd prefer that things were better for us all, israelis and palestinians. when people say things like "they deserve it", it hits home for me because i'm in that 20%

Actually ... playing the Goat's Advocate, I would say "more, Palestine, more!".

I mean, really. Had the German nazi's remained secretive, undercover, "just below the radar", they would have gotten away with most of their monstrosities to this day.

The only possible way to get the world-politic to acknowledge that yes, well yes, the smell of Islamic double-speak is pretty aweful ... ... ... is for them to become far more aweful, far more open, far less possible to ignore.

So, I say, "Ja, boyz! Get those guns and tire irons polished up! Go hunt down some more "unIslamically liberal" citizens and pound them to a pulp. Hell... you might as well get Morley Safir, or Mr. Wallace to imbed with y'all and do a fine video expose.
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What do you think the'll take the hint?

GoatGuy

#89 nadz

Thanks very much. Your comments are interesting, too.

supporting suicide bombings is immoral and stupid, but does that mean that a whole society "deserves" the situation they're in? i'd prefer that things were better for us all, israelis and palestinians. when people say things like "they deserve it", it hits home for me because i'm in that 20%

Nadz, I do understand this (and I think most everyone here does.)

It's not so much a matter of Palestinians "deserving" the bad things that are happening but more like bringing Hamas onto themselves so badly that no one can help them out of it (at least not without doing some major, major damage to the terror groups and actually eliminating them.)

When people in various places talk about transfer (moving the Palestinians out of the Holy Land), it sounds so awful to others - but it may be the most humane solution possible for the Palestinians (unless the rest of the Arab world decides to punish the Palestinians for losing to Israel or something.)

In any case, it won't happen anytime soon if ever.

So how do we get out of this situation where the Palestinian terrorists are ruining their own people's lives (and getting their own people killed) while senselessly slaughtering Jewish civilians?

The only answer seems to be that Israel has to wage a real war against the Palestinian terrorists (a very brutal war against terror meant to wipe people like Hamas off the face of the planet.)

I suspect that the situation is going to get much worse before it gets better.

I sincerely hope you are living somewhere safe or that such a thing is possible for you soon if you aren't safe now.

Best wishes.

#90 Goatguy

Well, I don't hope that more young women are murdered like the one who was killed for walking with her fiance.

I would rather see everyone get the message right now that Hamas is only going to make the situation worse for their own people (so that innocent Palestinians will agree to sit back and/or duck when the IDF finally goes in to clean the terrorists out once and for all.)

More than anything else, Islamist totalitarianism seems to be driven by a fear and hatred of female sexuality.

Sounds like an entire country made up of ex-husbands and the fathers of teenage daughters.

"It was the most horrific crime I've seen in my life," said a university student who witnessed the attack. "What they did to the body while it was lying on the ground was barbaric. This does not represent Islam." The student, who asked not to be named, said he and several other people at the scene were too afraid to interfere. "We waited until the gunmen left the area before we called the police and an ambulance," he added.

Good luck living with yourself. I think it's disgusting that people just stood around and watched. Is there simply no moral compass whatsoever? I want to believe there are decent people within the Palestinian society, but this makes me sick to my stomach.

Is there simply no moral compass whatsoever?

On the contrary -- Islam is perfect moral compass.

Whichever way it's pointed....... RUN, don't walk, in the opposite direction

For God sakes why didn't anyone stop and try to help save an innocent young woman's life? This whole tragic incident reminds me of the beating death of the lady in New York back in the sixties.Only one person yelled out at the killer to stop beating her,but no one else said or did a thing.I am so greatful I wasn't born into an Islamic society what a horrible place to have to grow up and live in.

Consider that Sheik Yassin (who started Hamas) called for much more uglyness that this crime, he actually stated that Hamas would fight until the entire world (he actually used the word "universe") was under the flag of Islam.

That is after Israel is destroyed (one of his explicit goals) Hamas would become another Al Qa'eda and terrorize the world...

...So now they're murdering families on the beach for the crime of enjoying a sunset.

Consider that Hamas is popular in Palestine. They get VOTES. Could the Palestinians be any uglier?!

Well they've convinced me! Give them a state! Fine upstanding citizens who will be an asset to the whole Middle East!

Road map? George, you're having a laugh, nu?

96 yellowroseoftexas

maybe we should start a charity to arm all non-Islamist women in the middle east. Give them all aks and ammo

Hamas apologizes for murder of 20-year-old Palestinian woman in Gaza

Looks like this is another Hamas murder, not the one that this thread is about.

According to Palestinian sources, several armed Hamas gunmen stopped a car with four passengers at around 9 P.M. last Friday. The gunmen who apparently were attempting to rob the couples - two brothers and their girlfriends - suddenly opened fire at the car for unknown reasons and killed 20-year-old Yusra al-Azami, a student at the Islamic University in Gaza.

#80, nadz

Thank you for your comments. It takes a lot of courage for a person like you to show up here, considering the attitudes so many of us on LGF have towards the sick culture of death that the majority of "Palestinians" are enthusiastic participants in. Many who believe as you do have been murdered as "collaborators" by the thugs that run the "Palestinian Authority".

As other posters have said, we can just about predict that given your attitudes, you're not a Muslim, and you're probably not a male, either.

In 1939 the world witnessed a national socialist based fascist regime .

Now we witness a religious based fascism , just as deadly , much more widespread , and just as barbaric .

The only bright spot here , is that there are many guns here in the U S , and they are kept loaded and at the ready ..

Can I get an "amen " ?

oh, those poor oppressed Palestinians - if only Israel would free them. [/sarc]

this is disgusting, and indicitive of the kind of world we will get if we don't win this conflict

(shrug)

Its just fascism. What's the issue?

#96 yellowroseoftexas 4/12/2005 12:36AM PDT

For God sakes why didn't anyone stop and try to help save an innocent young woman's life?

Nobody tried to help for because:

a) they are terrorized by Hamas, Fatah, & etc.
b) they are desensitized to violence
c) they believe violence is justice
d) everything they have learned has taught them this is normal
c) they respect the strong

Read the repoert carefully: the only part they thought was unIslamic was the beating with tire irons. The shooting was just fine.

I agree with Rightasrain: peace is not coming soon. The truce will allow time for Israel to withdraw and fortify while the various Palestinian faction jockey for power. The violence between factions will increase until one, or an alliance, comes out on top. Then they will attack Israel in full force. Israel will fight back in full force and wipe out ALL the terrorist factions. Any remaining Palestinians will be left to pick up the pieces. The other Arab states will never help the Palestinians, as it would risk their own security. They were merely pawns for the Arab war against Israel.

The only bright spot here , is that there are many guns here in the U S , and they are kept loaded and at the ready ..

Amen Excaliber (wasn't that a sword tho?)

But we have similar incidents in the U.S. Witness how some inner city urban areas are terrorized by gangs. The folks witness atrocities - usually drug related; the cops arrive; the folks are mute. Good people leave, the neighborhood deteriorates further and anyone can be a victim. Nothing changes until folks get fed up, grow a spine, and decide to do the right thing, even at the risk of their own personal safety.

If this was just a robbery, as hamas claims, why did the thugs murder just the betrothed woman, then wreak vicious mayhem on just the body of the woman? This may have been a spurned lover as someone else suggested. But there were four assailants; we should find out more about this immoral "morality" squad. What other brutality has it done?

The pathetic place of women in islamic societies is especially repugnant . Women are treated as animals -- dirty creatures of inferior intelligence, worthy only of being servants and sex slaves to men. The amazing thing is that most muslim women accept this and defend it. In most of the West, especially southern U.S., women are put upon pedestals, defended and honored by men, treated as equals who are worthy of helping to elect our representatives, expected to get an education and make a contribution to the workforce if they want, or to be mothers and homemakers -- their choice. This attitude, toward women among muslims, is the first thing that must change before islamic society emerges out of the 7th century.

Aren't the Palestinians heavily armed? Why didn't someone stand up to the thugs as they were beating these innocent people? Apparently hamas terrorizes its own people just as it terrorizes its own neighbors. Sounds like hamas can just do what it wants with impunity; doing all this must have taken some time, and all while people were watching.

Why do Palestinians tolerate rule by hamas, who won't even mete out justice to its own renegades who brutalize the folks?

Update on this murder - Hamas had apologized yesterday as if the murder was during a robbery and not meant to be directed towards the woman who was killed.

Here's what they're saying today (per the JPost update for the link given at the top of this topic):

The Palestinian Authority police, who have since arrested two suspects, confirmed that the attack was carried out by Hamas vigilantes who have been waging a campaign of intimidation against people exhibiting un-Islamic behavior...

Hamas initially denied any link to the murder, but later admitted that the assailants belonged to one of its groups. It also admitted that the murderers were responsible for cracking down on men and women who defy Islamic teachings by appearing in public together.

Another police officer involved in the investigation said the two suspects who were detained shortly after the murder had confessed to belonging to Hamas's Anti-Corruption Unit.

He said the suspects and their three accomplices were all from the Zeitoun neighborhood of Gaza City and that they had been instructed to conduct surveillance of the beach to assure that unrelated men and women were not mixing.

"The murderers thought that Azzami and her fiance were on a date," the officer explained. "They had no idea that they were engaged and were planning to marry soon."

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Gee, PA police are making excuses for the murderers?

Would it have been ok to murder an Arab girl on a date (a young woman appearing with a man in public while accompanied by her sister)?

Hamas has kicked these guys out of the club, supposedly.

The PA is acting as if they are taking care of this (after demands from the young woman's family and charges that Gaza has turned into a jungle) - but we'll see what they do.

The "progressive" left that supports the starving to death of a defenseless woman on the word of her "husband", also supports sweet and caring groups like Hamas, to whom beating to death defenseless women is an afternoon workout.

I can see now why feminists are leftwingers. They're completely insane/devoid of logic.

These guys were apparently instructed [by their Hamas Anti-Corruption group] to go searching on the beach for the mixing of unrelated men and women.

What is so telling is the fact that when they found such a couple, they didn't ask questions. They also didn't kill the man involved.

They murdered the woman and then viciously brutalized her body.

Murder and mayhem has become a staple of their society - the value of human life is getting to the point of being non-existent (especially when it comes to the lives of their society's own women and children.)

Yet this is the population (complete with Hamas members and supporters) that some people believe should be moved by the millions into Israel. Such a move would be horrifying and Israel would fight to the death to stop it (knowing that the mixture of these two peoples inside Israel would be a worst case scenario - a slower paced WMD.)

I feel bad for what Nadz is going through in all this (as her comments earlier indicated), but the Palestinian people in general have gone to great lengths to convince Israel that they are monsters who should be feared if they don't get their way - and their society has long since become as horrifying as what they've been trying to claim.

It's all coming back to haunt the Palestinians themselves now.

The Palestinians got caught with their [Hamas ] asses hanging out , time and again they prove their utter ignorance of the fact that the world is a small place ,and all their brabarism goes out into the ether ...immediately .
So now the pitiful excuse-making .

This indeed is what Islam IS all about . This is an ultimate end for their Sharia-World -Vision , something they would put upon all people in their "islamic world " .

Make no mistake , this incident is just another face of the enemy [has anyone forgotten the bloody frenzy in Rammallah ?] ...amongst their other myriad acts of barbarism , all inspired by a fascist religion .[Yes it is Fascist , Yes it is religion , and Yes it is Islam]

Uh.... yea Freedom Fan , Excaliber is a sword , but the "calibers " I'm holding at the ready ,are a Redhawk , a 9mm , and two sawed off Mossbergs made semi-auto with 7 shot clips . And there are enough like-minded similarly equipped bretheren here in the U S , that this land will never become a Belgium , France or Netherlands . Oh they will try no doubt , but the results will be much , much different than in Eurabia.

It's not whether "all" so-called Palestinians are bad - it's just that there are so many times when the culture of the [Arabs? Islamists?] is so focused on death, dismemberment, honor, torture, vindictiveness, revenge, murder.

It's a backwards culture that is pretty near hopeless. As I said earlier, there are decades of misery ahead. If the US invades a la Iraq and overthrows the government and replaces all the leadership and eliminates the terrorists - then it will merely be years of misery, until the culture changes to place where the average inhabitant does NOT wish for the torture and death of the innocent, the bystander, the inconvenient, and the opponent.

By the way, here's a great lesson to learn that every nation in the ME should learn: don't like defeat and humiliation by the Jews? THEN DON'T START WARS WITH THEM.

I wonder when we can stop pretending that Arab nationalist terror groups have no connection with radical Islam?

They are not "arab nationalist terror groups " they are Islamic arab terrorist groups .

...just as there is no other word for a rose , there is no other word for a pile of dogshit .