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Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 9:04:54 pm PDT

Arizona Republic editor Phil Boas has a great article for journalist trade publication The Masthead: Bloggers: The light at the end of the newspaper’s tunnel. (Hat tip: Power Line.)

The Power Line bloggers deserve and got much credit for becoming the information clearinghouse that ultimately exposed the fake memos behind the CBS story. But it was Charles Johnson on his blog Little Green Footballs (littlegreenfootballs.com) who I believe ultimately sank the CBS anchor. Johnson wasted no time in the days after the “60 Minutes” broadcast producing an exact duplicate of the CBS memos using the default font on Microsoft Word.

He then aligned copies of the so-called CBS original and his duplicate on his website, blinking them on and off alternately so the eye could see that everything-the font, the kerning, the leading, the superscript “th”-almost perfectly matched. CBS would have us believe three decades separated those two samples-one produced on a ‘70s-era typewriter and the other on a modern word processor. As was obvious to the eye, the charade was over.

To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned.

In those days when Rather was still stonewalling, you had to marvel at the confidence of the bloggers. They knew what Dan did not-that he and his network would ultimately blink.

Here’s what newspaper editors and writers should know about this new Internet phenomenon. Bloggers don’t have much respect for you. You are the “legacy media,” the MSM. You’re the Roman Catholic Church to their Martin Luther and his new high-speed cable modem.

To Hugh Hewitt (hughhewitt.com), the blogospheres leading cheerleader and one of its most polished practitioners, you are Stalingrad in 1944. Your institutions are hollowed out and your walls are scorched.

But of course, Stalingrad held, didn’t it? And that gets me to the second definition of bloggers.

They are your light in the tunnel.

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1 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:05:58pm

Amen

2 MARS Trucker  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:07:03pm

LGF and the Lizardoids are the One True Light

3 hornet  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:07:25pm

LGF sinks Rarher and Co. Yes!

4 CanadianBacon  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:09:32pm

Charles, if you're the light in the end of the MSM tunnel, you've gotta be a freight train.

Poor bastards, they get hit by one train after another but they're too stupid to get the heck off the track.

5 hornet  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:11:47pm

The truth was there for everyone to see, only LGF stayed the course to sink Rather and CBS.

6 MARS Trucker  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:12:01pm

#4 CanadianBacon



Charles, if you're the light in the end of the MSM tunnel, you've gotta be a freight train.


More like a comet aimed at LLL lunacy

7 mich-again  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:12:57pm
There's a lot of garbage on the blogosphere, but there is a high tier where the product is superior and is drawing mass readership. On those blogs, correcting error is part of the culture.


I think (and am willing to bet) he is drawing a comparison between DailyKos and LGF in that statement. Charles, this blog dissolves BS. Kos is nothing but a Petri dish for it.

8 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:13:01pm

The one thing that Dan and Co. didn't learn is that the light at the end of the tunnel may not be the way out; instead it might just be the oncoming freight train that is going to make chilled monkey-brains out of you. Rule of thumb: if you hear the whistle blowing, it ain't just a bunch of birds outside.

9 dhimmishelter  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:15:48pm

Hugh Hewitt (may G-d bless him) led me to LGF (as did Taranto), and this group (LGF) has been a source of sanity in these extremely troubling times. I am a 911 Republican and was wandering in the unhitched world of the MSM before I discovered reason and a sense of self-preservation here at LGF and the other blogs that helped me to devote my time and resources to getting GWB re-elected I now regularly write to my moonbat senators Feinstein and the reprehensible Boxer, and get involved in trying to make this country safe for all of us.

Charles, you have done us all a great service by shining a klieg light on the emerging dark side of the Islamo-force. Keep up the good work.

10 PSGInfinity  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:15:59pm

I'm getting chills reading that. Dude really, really gets it. And to think Google can't see a news source when they see it.

Charles, we're all so, so proud of you.

11 Ferny  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:16:50pm

I still wonder why they state with such confidence that Rather was conned. Even if these mistakes are common in journalism, he made the circumstances extraordinary by rushing the story to get the scoop.

But because we never got a decent investigation into the matter, I still hold open the possibility that it was a deliberate attempt to sabotage Bush's re-election campaign.

12 Moonbat_One  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:21:03pm

Thanks again for your part in nailing CBS, Charles!

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:22:23pm

There will never be even close to an impartial investigation of the debacle of RatherGate because there are not enough people with a spine and the National exposure required to do such an investigation. In some way they are too compromised or blindered by ideology to truly see the depths of depravity that passes for proper journalism in the MSM. Bush will eventually leave office; the perpetrators of the injustice will remain to befoul still.

14 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:23:16pm

yeah but the MSM still will not learn their lesson

as of right now only FOX is broadcasting the resignation of the UN investigators


the good-ole boys are still covering Kofi's a$$

15 realwest  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:25:48pm

#8 FurryOldGuyJeans - others have also used the light at the end of the tunnel might be a freight train analogy, but you're last line tops them all:

"Rule of thumb: if you hear the whistle blowing, it ain't just a bunch of birds outside. "

I hope you have the time, and the inclination, to post more frequently in the future.

AND, of course, Kudos to Charles. Not just for busting open the Dan Rather/CBS pinata, or all the other times (way too many to even begin to list them here) he's helped shine the light of truth that the MSM can't see or doesn't want us to see, but a special kudos and thank you for littlegreenfootballs.

16 Mike C.  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:27:05pm

Boy, talk about serioue, in-print attaboys !

17 Stop Hillary  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:27:35pm

"To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned."

Oh, I dunno, I think very few of us believe that Dan Rather had simply "been conned". Even the Arizona Republic has to toss one of their own a lifeline.

18 Elcid  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:29:51pm

Here's to Charles Johnson, one of the men in the forefront of the exploration of the 21st Century.

Charles, may you stay true, strong and humble. That is what got you to this point and that is what will carry you forward.

19 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:30:10pm

Charles does here what journalism should be: the investigation of the truth, no matter how damning or uncomfortable. And he also allows the inmates here to babble, drool, and cause general anarchy as well. What better fun is that?

/tongue stuffed far into cheek

20 ctrlL  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:32:34pm

#10 PSGInfinity

No other words are necessary and I second that!

"Charles, we're all so, so proud of you. "

BTW ... I believe he is saying that the MSM has a long way to go in their tunnel to the light and bloggers show them the way.

They are your light * in * the tunnel.

ctrlL

21 hadanuf  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:35:48pm

Bravp LGF

The blog made famous by the extinction of rather!

22 RBMN  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:36:17pm

Just as important, is the scab factor. Who likes to face low-wage competition? In this case, very very low wage.

23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:36:34pm

RELEASE THE THROBBING MEMO!

24 MARS Trucker  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:41:17pm

Forget Arnold...Charles for Governor

25 gbl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:43:03pm

I can alrealy visualize the cartoon "Light at the End of the Tunnel" that hopefully will be created by Cox & Forkum! A speeding train, MSM on the tracks, you get the picture.

26 Condor  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:43:37pm

"...you are Stalingrad in 1944"

Ummm, I think that should be, "Stalingrad in 1942"?

(Note to editors--always fact check. . .)

27 Tziporah  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:47:32pm

Congratulations, Charles! I'm glad you are getting the profesional recognition you deserve.

28 MARS Trucker  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:51:01pm

Charles, you're in Sirius league.

Lizardoid Satillite Radio...it could happen!

29 addison  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:55:16pm
The Power Line bloggers aren't journalists. They're attorneys whose pedigrees include Dartmouth, Stanford, and Harvard law. There is undeniable heft to their argument, so that to watch an exchange between the conservatives at Power Line and the lefty columnist at the Star Tribune is to watch an intellectual mismatch that is, frankly, embarrassing.


Embarrassing is a very polite word considering the reality of it.

30 Doss  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:57:38pm
To the CBS brain trust, Johnsons pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned.


I'd love to see the looks on all the CBS team's faces when they saw Charles' graphic for the first time. I'll bet that Dan didn't even blink, just muttered something about "those guys don't even have editors" or somesuch before announcing that "these bloggers are like an alligator in Kansas" or some stupid saying that no one understood.

31 Abu Maven  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:57:44pm

That was a great read -- make sure you read the whole thing.

32 Spiny Norman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:03:41pm
To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned.

The Legend of the Throbbing Memo.

Some regulars 'round here found it annoying after a while (not me, I sent links to everyone I knew! =^D), but imagine how irritated Mary Mapes must have been!

Congratulations Charles, that article is high praise.

33 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:04:16pm

#28 MARS Trucker

Charles, you're in Sirius league.

Lizardoid Satillite Radio...it could happen!


Is there a Lizardoid version of being a Ditto-head? Is there a recognition hand-shake? Where is the LGF decoder ring?

34 mich-again  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:05:19pm

I first discovered LGF and the rest of the blogosphere during Rathergate and was lucky enough to catch open registration here one night. I don't think that I've watched a total of 10 hours of TV news since then.

Charles, as I have said before, your media legacy will be celebrated long after Dan Rather has been long forgotten. The fact that you also jammed with Stanley Clarke somewhere along the way is over the top.

35 religion of bacon  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:10:20pm

Go into the light, Dan (and Mary et. al.)... and don't come back.

36 mich-again  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:10:40pm

30 Doss

those guys don't even have editors" or somesuch before announcing that "these bloggers are like an alligator in Kansas" or some stupid saying that no one understood.

How True! Rather says utterly stupid things all the time. But because no one is listening, it doesn't really matter. He is a tool. I'm guessing a a metric crescent wrench.

37 RBMN  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:11:36pm

Apparently, Jesus' disciples kept a notebook--sort of a diary. Someone named Lucy Ramirez says it's authentic, 2000 years old, and might for sale.

What do you think?

SEE THE PHOTOS HERE:
[Link: prodigi.bl.uk...]

38 neverpayretail  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:13:48pm

#34

That goes for me as well. However, I continue to get a lot of news and intelligent commentary from IBD, the only newspaper I have ever subscribed to.

39 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:15:30pm
In those days when Rather was still stonewalling

Or, was just a talking stone wall... scientists are still scratching their heads...

40 Dan Gummitt  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:15:40pm

"Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel"
was a truism of the 19th century. Now we don't even have to buy ink. It's an intellectual and a financial mismatch.

41 addison  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:17:09pm

#34 mich-again,

I haven't watched TV news in roughly six or seven years and I was the one telling committed NBC/ABC/CNN watchers at work the details of the stories those networks partially and/or ineptly covered.

42 ctrlL  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:18:03pm

#36 mich-again

That's almost perfect ... mind if I touch it up a little?

metric crescent wrench

regards and good night (I mean it this time),
ctrlL

43 Mission Accomplished  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:18:48pm

Here's some fascinating insights into the strange and often delusional world of

44 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:20:56pm

MSM got fat and lazy... Mapes and Rather thought they could take advantage of the fact that no one in MSM does any real homework, and no fact checks.. it's rush it out... if it's not true, another story will come along in time to push the bad piece to the background... and people will forget and focus on the latest to be trotted out in 30 second sound bytes...

45 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:23:29pm

#43 Mission Accomplished
Please don't tell me the MREs are a delusion- I can't face C rats again.

46 MARS Trucker  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:24:16pm

#33 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is there a Lizardoid version of being a Ditto-head? Is there a recognition hand-shake? Where is the LGF decoder ring?


Well we do have the Drinking Threads and...well, we get real creative when we're LUI.

47 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:25:05pm

#43 Mission Accomplished
Oh- BTW, the link doesn't work.

48 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:26:44pm
To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned.

I disagree with this paragraph. Dan Rather didn't get conned; he is old enough to have used/know what typewriter font versus computer font looked like. He willingly suspended his disbelief at best, or knew it was an out and out forgery and went with it anyway at worst.

49 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:28:15pm

Mission accomplished has 4 whole posts to its credit. American Soldier, decontaminate the premises.

50 T. Jefferson  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:28:51pm

* way OT *
Do you guys remember “minigun?" Well this has got to be his spiritual brother. Here is a excerpt from the Vietnam experience of one Stanley “Stan” Maxcy Jr.:

When asked what he subsisted on for the remainder of the seven days he said, “Do you really want to know? Well, I ate bugs, roots - (after a very slight pause) – human.”

The individual in this incident Maxcy said, “Was a sniper that I got before he got me.”

Maxcy reasoned, “In a situation like that you do what you have to do to survive. You don’t really have time to think about it. You do what instinct tells you to do. Afterwards you set there and … ya, I got sick, - but I wasn’t hungry.”

In a discussion with a military doctor, the doctor told Maxcy what he had done was “cannibalism.”

Maxcy calmly replied, “No, that was survival … that’s what the government trained me to do – survive.”

Not your average children's author

51 PDM  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:29:19pm
Bloggers: The Light at the End of the Media Tunnel

To me Charles, LGF has been the "Light at the End of the Media Tunnel" for years.
Thanks for all that you do.

52 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:29:21pm

Swampwoman

Rather has been blatant in his attempts to go after the Bushes... he fancies himself a "truth seeker" and an old 60's warrior who badly needed to make a name for himself before he retires at age 105... egotistical, narcissistic, sociopath... and a huge asshole to boot.

53 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:29:34pm

#46 MARS trucker

Well we do have the Drinking Threads and...well, we get real creative when we're LUI.

And Bubbles is the choreographer of the offical LGF pole dance.

54 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:30:11pm

#44 Bubble Girl
So can we use the metaphor that blogs are the CAT/MRI/PET scan for veracity?

55 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:32:35pm
#54

American Soldier  4/20/2005 10:30PM PDT

 #44 Bubble Girl
So can we use the metaphor that blogs are the CAT/MRI/PET scan for veracity?

Of course... or just plain old fashioned fact checking...

56 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:32:44pm

@52 BG

If Rather's considering coming back to Texas...I hope he gets a welcome of overwhelming emotion...pain from fire ants and lots of them.

57 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:34:01pm

Swampwoman!


Have you had your flying lessons yet? Hate to see you have to land the plane by yourself...

/Rapture Preparedness

58 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:35:20pm
 #56

quark2  4/20/2005 10:32PM PDT
@52 BG


If Rather's considering coming back to Texas...I hope he gets a welcome of overwhelming emotion...pain from fire ants and lots of them.

Yeah... and a home under a bridge over a bayou with the nutra rats...

59 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:35:36pm

#50 T. Jefferson
After only ONE week a snake-eater had to go for long pig? And WTF is an M-15? Did I miss part of the sequence?

60 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:38:07pm

#55 Bubble Girl
Yes'm.

61 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:39:41pm

#56 Quark2

If Rather's considering coming back to Texas...I hope he gets a welcome of overwhelming emotion...pain from fire ants and lots of them.

Oooh, I'll tell you about pain and why I have a black eye this evening...

A half rambouillet lamb, smallish, probably around 60 lb. went out into the horse pasture through the creep gait and then couldn't figure out how to get back in. He was throwing himself into the fence, so I figured I'd go catch him and toss him over the fence. But nooo. The little bastard had to find the biggest damn fire ant bed that was built in some long stinging nettles and stand on top of it to get his head stuck through the fence in. After I finally extricated him (he was fighting me the entire time) I picked him up to put him over the fence and he kicked back at me, went up underneath my glasses and knocked 'em off, and nailed me right at the corner of my eye/bridge of my nose. I dropped him and was seein' stars for a little while, then had to catch him again.

62 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:39:58pm

#49 SwampWoman
Yes'm.

63 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:41:03pm

#57 Bubble Girl

Have you had your flying lessons yet? Hate to see you have to land the plane by yourself...

/Rapture Preparedness

Just think of how pissed I would be if I was in a freakin' taxi and the driver disappeared and I was still there...

64 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:42:33pm

#62 American Soldier

Yes'm.

Your women have trained you well!

65 T. Jefferson  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:43:40pm

American Soldier(59):

If this guy ever publishes his memoirs, I will buy a copy. I just love good military fiction.

:-)

66 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:43:42pm

#64 SwampWoman
Yes'm.

67 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:43:45pm

American Soldier @ 60

how old are you? you make me feel old... at 31...

68 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:45:49pm

#65 T. Jefferson
Kind of like The Five Fingers, but without the authenticity.

69 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:48:06pm

#67 Bubbles

how old are you? you make me feel old... at 31...

You are old. Old, old, old!

(I may be older than you physically, but mentally I'm only 16)

70 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:48:45pm

Swampwoman @ 61

Ohhh... gonna have a nice shiner... when I was about to graduate from HS we went camping (drinking and such) on the beach... we got there late and laid our sleeping bags out and sat looking at the stars... guzzling booze and smoking pot... and I remember we were looking at each other and saying how white our teeth looked! During the middle of the night I ran into (stumbled) someone else and knocked my eye on their head...

The next day I went home and walked in the door, my parents were like... oh my god... I went into the bathroom and looked in the mirror... we had slept in an old fire pit and ended up with soot all over us, even our faces and I had a huge whopper... for graduation and the photos..

71 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:49:23pm

@61 SW

Oh...it's barbecue time fer sure!

/OUCH!

72 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:50:02pm

Swampwoman @ 69

LOL LOL ROFLOL

(I may be older than you physically, but mentally I'm only 16)

Well, Geepers and I are only 15 and in still in Detention.. so ladee dadee dee...

73 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:50:51pm

#67 Bubble Girl
I've got rifles older than you. And rather unfortunately, I'm old enough to be your father. Usually I tell youngsters that for all I know I might be, but that got me in trouble when one of our medics said, "Mom said Daddy was a soldier...".

74 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:51:04pm

#70 Bubbles

The next day I went home and walked in the door, my parents were like... oh my god... I went into the bathroom and looked in the mirror... we had slept in an old fire pit and ended up with soot all over us, even our faces and I had a huge whopper... for graduation and the photos..

You can't hide 'em worth a damn with makeup, either. At least, I can't.

That dermablend stuff might work, though.

75 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:51:56pm

Swampwoman/Quark

Maybe the Rapture will help with all the overcrowding... we can go claim one of their houses... in Aspen... they'll be gone... wherever those Rapture people are going..

76 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:52:59pm
And rather unfortunately, I'm old enough to be your father.

I'm not old enough to be your father, though.

77 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:53:11pm

#71 quark2
Mmmm...lamb...

78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:54:22pm

50 T. Jefferson

I haven't seen a list of military accomplishments so astounding since Ward Churchill's tales of his exploits running LRRP deep inside Cambodia and working with the same CIA agent that gave Kerry the magic hat.

79 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:54:32pm

#76 SwampWoman
Good deal. Then, there's that whole gender thing.

80 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:54:41pm

@32 American Soldier

Well if you're old enough to be BGs dad, I'm old enough to be her mum...shall we adopt? *lol

81 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:55:03pm

#75 Bubbles

Swampwoman/Quark

Maybe the Rapture will help with all the overcrowding... we can go claim one of their houses... in Aspen... they'll be gone... wherever those Rapture people are going..

I just hope that the rapture will take away a driver of one o' them $60,000 pickups, but somehow I doubt that they will ever see heaven. No, the rapture will probably take the old rusted out Corolla drivers.

82 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:55:09pm

American Soldier @ 73

Wow... you must be something else... since I think Don Rumsfield is hot, you would be young enough to be his son... Hot is relative... isn't it?

83 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:56:15pm

#78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That river trip with JG Kerry in search of COL Kurtz is SEARED, seared into my memory...

84 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:56:42pm

@75 BG

Nuhuh...not me! I don't intend on being left behind...there will be too much work to be done by those who are left behind. *lol

I'll wave atcha from above. :)

85 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:57:39pm

#80 quark2
I don't know- she sounds like a wild child.

86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:58:29pm

#50

Took about 10 seconds to find this:

A really big bald face lie

87 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:58:38pm

Quark

Well if you're old enough to be BGs dad, I'm old enough to be her mum...shall we adopt? *lol

I got away for the longest time by telling the kids that I was only 11 and 13 years older than they were, respectively. Then they went and learned math...although I don't think it was until my son was 11 or 12 that he figured out maybe mama wasn't entirely truthful with him.

88 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:59:43pm

JrLt John Forbes Kerry reporting for duty... Wow, how I remember when he bounded across the stage in Boston... my mouth dropped open... thinking, wow, a traitor, a liar, a POS is the Democrats man... and why, why, in the world did he pick his military service as his platform to run on?

89 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:00:29pm

#82 Bubble Girl
Rummie and I went to the same HS. At the school's centennial, they had a picture of him up, but not me. What's up with that?

If you follow my blog link, you'll find a photo of me in my profile.

90 T. Jefferson  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:01:07pm

American Soldier , Kragar (Proud to be Kafir):

To this day I can not believe how many people actually voted for “Boston Strangler”. It scares me to think we came that close!

91 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:01:25pm

@85 American Soldier

Naw...that's not a wild child...that's a breath of fresh air. *lol

@87 SW


Well dangit...you didn't remember to rig their calculators? *LMAO!

92 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:01:57pm

Kragar @ 86

Another Stolen Valor guy, for sure...

93 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:02:24pm

#84 Quark 2

Nuhuh...not me! I don't intend on being left behind...there will be too much work to be done by those who are left behind. *lol

I'll wave atcha from above. :)

Oh, goody. You get to listen to my husband say "I told her so!"

94 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:03:14pm

@88 BG

Because he assumed that we were all stupid...the schmuck!

95 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:03:48pm

Oh, and Quark?

Could you just confine it to the waves? I'd appreciate it if you didn't get all wild and crazy with the hail and lightning bolts. Thanks bunches.

96 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:05:13pm

#88 Bubble Girl
It's OK- like I said, drunken sailors wouldn't follow JG Kerry to a discount whorehouse.

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:05:42pm

#93 SwampWoman

I'm waiting for the Rapture so I can laugh at all the people who assume they were going to be taken and were instead left here.

98 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:06:50pm

#96 American Soldier

It's OK- like I said, drunken sailors wouldn't follow JG Kerry to a discount whorehouse.

(Scatching head, thinking...) You sure about that? Because I've observed some drunken sailors in my time...

99 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:07:39pm

@93 SW

Welp, I've been wondering just exactly what we'll be doing...I'm sure whatever it is will not be boring...in reading about Christs life, he was never boring or bored.

100 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:08:09pm

#97 Kragar

I'm waiting for the Rapture so I can laugh at all the people who assume they were going to be taken and were instead left here.

Yeah, but are you going to be down here with me laughin', or up there with Quark and my husband laughin'?

101 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:08:38pm

T.J., Kragar-
Here's a useful group:
http://veriseal.org/

102 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:10:01pm

#99 Quark

Welp, I've been wondering just exactly what we'll be doing...I'm sure whatever it is will not be boring...in reading about Christs life, he was never boring or bored.

Geez, I just hope that I get to clean out Quark's stables or something in the afterlife and not be assigned to clean up after a Muslim martyr and his 72 virgins. Eeeesh.

103 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:10:32pm

#98 SwampWoman
Well, OK, I sure as hell wouldn't follow him anywhere- drunk or sober.

104 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:11:46pm

#102 SwampWoman

clean up after a Muslim martyr and his 72 virgins. Eeeesh.


Thought you were used to sheep.

105 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:12:07pm

American Soldier

Wow, that is some firepower you've got there...

Quark

so you are going... with Swampwoman's husband... we'll stay down here and smoke all the cigarettes, drink up all the booze and dance... so not as fun as what you guys will be doing in your 24/7 bible classes...

106 Beagle  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:12:20pm
To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum


Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Anyone got a handy guide to the rapture philosophy for bloggers on the go?

107 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:13:38pm

American Soldier

Well, OK, I sure as hell wouldn't follow him anywhere- drunk or sober.

Glad that you clarified that. I wouldn't follow him to a boot sale, and definitely not to a discount whorehouse.

108 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:13:46pm

Actually, Kerry may not have been interested in whore houses... he may have had a different inclination...

109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:14:36pm

100 SwampWoman

As a devout agnostic, I full expect to be in the "left behind" group, if such an occurence were to occur.

I fully expect to die an old man while people still debate when "it" will happen.

110 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:14:42pm

#105 Bubble Girl
Nah- just an AR-15 I cobbled together. My armorer at the time was surprised that an officer could build a working rifle from parts.

111 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:14:45pm

#104 American Soldier

Thought you were used to sheep.

Not in the house, though.

112 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:15:09pm

Beagle @ 106

LOL LOL ahhh... well... lol lol

113 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:16:38pm

Kragar @ 109

Yes, you will be left behind with people like me... it will be horrible, just horrible...

114 jaybird  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:16:46pm

Swampwoman

To the CBS brain trust, Johnson’s pulsing visual must have seemed the proverbial beating drum, drawing links from all corners of the Internet and demonstrating in utter simplicity that Dan Rather had been conned.
I disagree with this paragraph. Dan Rather didn't get conned; he is old enough to have used/know what typewriter font versus computer font looked like. He willingly suspended his disbelief at best, or knew it was an out and out forgery and went with it anyway at worst.

I don't totally count out the possibility that Rather was in on the scam to the fullest extent, or at had actual full knowledge of it. His desire to take down Bush was that rabid.

115 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:16:47pm

#98 SwampWoman

#96 American Soldier

It's OK- like I said, drunken sailors wouldn't follow JG Kerry to a discount whorehouse.

(Scatching head, thinking...) You sure about that? Because I've observed some drunken sailors in my time...


Ack! Spying on me again?!? Dang, can't even go for a night of boozing and wenching and not have someone spy on me any more.

/tongue...cheek...you know the drill

116 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:18:18pm

#113 Bubble Girl
I guess you'll have all of us Jooos for company, too.

117 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:18:31pm

@94 SW

Ummm...I'll see what I can do. :)

@97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah...and then when we're all judged...we'll see whose the sheep and whose the goats.
BTW...I am just now old enough to understand why He called us sheep in the first place...BWahahahahahaha..baaahaaa

/cause we're dumber than sheep!

/more like commercial turkeys

118 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:20:38pm

American Soldier

LOL, gee I guess so... we will all to find someway, somehow to get our own Rapture... lol lol there must be something we can try... lol lol

120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:21:46pm

113 Bubble Girl

... it will be horrible, just horrible...

I wonder if Allah will rapture away all the devout Muslims or if we'll get stuck with them. If yes, HUZZAH. If no, then things would be pretty bad until I succeeded in establishing my global hegemony and unleash my hordes of chemically enhanced genetically modified super warriors to crush them.

121 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:22:19pm

I do believe there a no Krispy Kreme donuts, I repeat, no Krispy Cremes up in Raptureland...

122 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:22:58pm

#118 Bubble Girl
Ah- my kind of woman.

123 Beagle  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:23:38pm
Apocalyptic beliefs have proven remarkably resilient over time.

Especially remarkable, given how they are always wrong and need reinterpretation.


-- Richard Landes

124 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:23:56pm

Beagle @ 119

Can you just give us a short synopsis...

Are you an attorney, BTW...

125 braindirt  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:24:08pm

"Stalingrad held"
Yeah, like SATANlin was a hero. He hellled, didn't he?

126 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:27:16pm

Nah...all funin' aside, I'm gonna beseech Jesus to give y'all all another chance. :)

Hey I'm a fair to middlin' prayer warrior!

/even though I do stumble alot.

127 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:30:06pm

Quarks

Thanks Quark... I believe in God.. so no problemo...I just HATE COMMITMENTS, it's the Catholic school girl in me..

128 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:31:29pm

Kragar @ 120

Wow... can I be part of your forces?

You are that good.

129 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:32:23pm

BTW

All in all, we all get wrapped up in trying to decipher the prophesies...and the key is what Jesus instructed...to always watch, to keep our lanterns lit as He would come as a thief in the night..and no one including Him knows when His second coming will happen.

130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:34:17pm

#128 Bubble Girl

But of course

131 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:34:51pm

Quark2

Yes, the Winds of War are stirring across the globe... Good versus Evil is coming... everything we cherish is at stake.. all of us must stand together or we are doomed.

132 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:36:17pm

@127 BG

In believing is to have faith. We are instructed to believe and to love our neigbours as ourselves. Now how much simpler can it get? :)

133 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:36:54pm

Time to say Goodnight...

134 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:38:23pm

Quark2

As long as my neighbor isn't Al Jarkawi... then we have to rethink the love my neighbor.. but otherwise... yes, it is that simple...

Night girl... hope your hubby gets to feeling better...

135 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:38:38pm

#131 Bubble Girl
You betcha, Doc. Been saying for a while that this one's for ALL the marbles.
Why We Fight

136 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:39:39pm

G'night, Doc

137 Beagle  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:40:16pm

#124 Bubble Girl

Can you just give us a short synopsis...


Not really. I can quote some of that Frontline article which is a short synopsis for this subject. This is an interesting choice of words:

What made Adso in the 10th century so important is that you have an easy, comprehensible picture of Antichrist, his whole life from birth to death, presented to a general audience, and if you will, therefore solidified for popular appeal.


"if you will"
Adso Antichrist This is a narrow look at one Catholic tradition.

In composition anti has different meanings: antibasileus denotes a king who fills an interregnum; antistrategos, a propraetor; anthoupatos, a proconsul; in Homer antitheos denotes one resembling a god in power and beauty, while in other works it stands for a hostile god. Following mere analogy one might interpret antichristos as denoting one resembling Christ in appearance and power; but it is safer to define the word according to its biblical and ecclesiastical usage.


Which isn't easy.

138 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:40:55pm

American Soldier @ 135

Yes... you have it right...

I sometimes think that this war will end when they're all dead or we're all dead.

It's kill them or be killed... they want us dead, gone... it is that simple.

139 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:41:26pm

#115 Furry

Ack! Spying on me again?!? Dang, can't even go for a night of boozing and wenching and not have someone spy on me any more.

What can I say? I live between Mayport and Kings Bay.

140 Bubble Girl  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:42:56pm

Beagle @ 137

thanks, I will take the time to peruse this site...

141 quark2  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:44:38pm

G'nite all. :)

/a better tomarra for all!

142 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:45:27pm

#132 Quark

In believing is to have faith. We are instructed to believe and to love our neigbours as ourselves. Now how much simpler can it get? :)

Does that count even if your neighbor spent several years in prison for killin' a man in a bar room fight and chews tobacco and ain't particular where he spits it, and is kinda ugly and his wife is real mean?

143 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:46:39pm

Oh, the irony! My connection to LGF went down just when I was about to wish everybody a good night (again) and I had to make sure it came back up (panic at the thought of no more LGF).

I need a 12-step program. No, a 20-step program.

144 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:46:58pm

g'night, quark. I'll check with the County about them adoption papers.

145 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:48:32pm

g'night, SW. Time for me to bail, also. Later, everyone.

146 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:48:38pm

Goodnight, Quark! Tie your husband to the recliner chair and don't let him up so that he gets some rest (or some nasty rope burns).

147 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:49:21pm

Goodnight, American Soldier. Did the house get pesached (whatever that is?)

148 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:52:36pm

Not yet completed. Pesached- cleaned for Passover.

149 SwampWoman  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:54:34pm

#149 American soldier

Not yet completed. Pesached- cleaned for Passover.

Oooh, thanks for the Hebrew lesson

(Reminder to self: Never convert to Judaism until after passover...)

150 Beagle  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:55:47pm

Sure, sleep. I remember when my sleeping wasn't ordered by a gaping toothless maw of milk destruction.

151 American Soldier  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:56:10pm
(Reminder to self: Never convert to Judaism until after passover...)


LOL
Good night.
For real.

152 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 10:00:24pm

OT a very insightful commentary by Joshep Fara Antisemitism in Europe

153 trespasser  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 10:27:18pm

OT - but amusing

Religious WMD's to be Dismantled at International Conference at Bard College June 3-5

Among the speakers will be...

Jana Riess, religion book editor of Publishers Weekly, a specialist in American religious history, and author of the spiritual, religious and mythological "What Would Buffy Do? The Vampire Slayer as Spiritual Guide"

Who here feels safer now?

154 adie  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 10:31:17pm

Great article by Phil Boas, except he fails to explain that the MSM tunnel is a vertical shaft, with them at the bottom digging down.

155 littleoldlady  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:16:45pm

Good morning [yawnnn!] 4 am shift reporting for duty.

#154 adie

I think Boas is saying that journalists had better start viewing blogs and bloggers as an opportunity vs. a threat.

That's not something to lament. That's progress. We are living in the Information Age, when government and business are increasingly dependent on knowledge. It was inevitable that a knowledge-based culture would demand better, faster, more reliable information.
156 littleoldlady  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:45:22pm

HELLLOOO! [Tap, tap, tap!] Anybody home? Is Europe closed today?

If I'm expected to hold down the fort by myself someone is going to have to hand over the Krispy Kremes. Coffee alone won't do it.

157 Dom  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:53:12pm

Beautiful acknowledgement of what Charles does, and what LGF does. Charles' meticulous responsibility in talking straight and not folding won't be lost on the world.

158 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:53:41pm
159 Dom  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:53:59pm

Morning littleoldlady.

160 littleoldlady  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:56:58pm

Hello Dom & rayra!

(Whew! If I wasn't so used to talking to myself, that would have been scary...)

161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 20, 2005 11:57:02pm

#156 littleoldlady

Hiya, I'd be more talkative tonight, but filling out job applications.

162 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 12:04:15am

#161 Kragar

Good luck with that! I just got a new job, and I find I actually have to (sob) work! Be careful what you wish for...

163 rayra[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 12:18:26am
164 rayra[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 12:22:04am
165 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 12:31:32am

#163 & #164 rayra

I wish I was as talented as you!

Two weeks ago talloldman and I tried to fix our washing machine. The usual drill is: I read the instructions and he does the grunt work. So I ordered the parts off the internet, we got them installed on the washer just fine. Then we couldn't put the darn thing back together again!

Three days later I had a brand new washer.

[Sigh.] I am the eternal optimist when it comes to that house-and-garden stuff. "We CAN do this!", I say. We're batting about 500 at the moment.

166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 12:51:34am

OT

A repeat from an earlier thread, trying to decide which of these to order:

Mars Pattern Baneblade

or

Lucius Pattern Baneblade

Just cant decide.

167 LizardAbroad  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:21:52am

Stalingrad didn't hold. It fell... twice. The famous battle from the winter of 42-43 was part of the Soviet counteroffensive that winter. Hitler was convinced he had saved the German army the previous year when the Soviet winter offensive in front of Moscow failed to achieve much, and ordered von Paulus' 6th Army to hold Stalingrad at all costs. Permission to break out was eventually given but far too late to have any chance of success.

So if the newspapers want to break out into blogging, perhaps they ought to do it fast.

168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:26:35am

US ; CBS may charge cable operators for signal:

Leslie Moonves, co-president of CBS' parent company, Viacom Inc.,, said during an earnings announcement Tuesday CBS-owned stations could begin charging cable and satellite operators for rights to carry the CBS signal.

"In the next three to five years, it could be worth tens of millions of dollars to the CBS network," he said.

Broadcast networks do not currently collect cash fees from pay-TV operators that carry their signals for subscribers.The Times said a decision to start charging cable operators would be part of the network's response to the loss of viewers to cable and the prospect of eroding advertising revenue.

ROFLMAO. If they tried this, I could pretty much tell my cable company to axe all the networks if it gave me a cheaper rate.

169 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:27:14am

# 165 littleoldlady

Well see, there's often something missing from those Heinlen quotes. In this case it's "..., know his own limits,..."

170 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:30:11am

# 166 Kragar

Ooh, just love the exterior fuel tanks. Perfect deadly targets for enemy fire. The Soviets tried that - didn't work unless they were dumped prior to battle.

171 steve  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:31:20am

#166 Krager
Which one uses less fuel?
That is the one I would go for. Means more money for ammo!

172 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:34:57am

Morning/ evening all!

Mike, I'm glad to see you're here. I sorta wanna ask you a favor, so I hope you can help.

I need a contact in Beijing, specifically an accountant.

The person must be fluent in English reading/writing, as well as spoken

D'ya think you can help me out?

173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:34:59am

170 Mike C.

Those are water tanks, used for emergency cooling of the engine and weapons and fire control operations.

171 steve

Both are the same, just going off of looks.

174 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:35:23am

OT
Speaking of fact-checking, the blog ad featuring the Cuban cigars is promoting an illegal activity. Regardless of what is written in that site's FAQ section, it is NOT legal to bring even a single cuban cigar into the U.S..

The FAQ blurb says the U.S. Dept. of Justice has loosened restrictions on importation of Cuban cigars. Bullshit. The USDJ has no oversight on the matter. It is the U.S. Department of Treasury, under FOAC, which regulates and enforces the rules banning the importation of Cuban goods. As of last November, the rules have, in fact, been tightened, not loosened.

From the U.S. Customs website:

The revival of interest in cigars and cigar smoking underscores the need to remind the public of the prohibitions that have been in place for many years with respect to cigars of Cuban origin. The number of attempted importations of Cuban cigars into the United States is rising and because dealing in such cigars may lead to Treasury enforcement actions, the public should be aware of — and make every effort to observe — the prohibitions which are in effect.
There is a total ban on the importation into the United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products. This prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of whether a traveler is licensed by Office of Foreign Asset Controls (OFAC) to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries by any U.S. Traveler, including purchases at duty-free shops. Contrary to what many people may believe, it is illegal for travelers to bring into the United States Cuban cigars acquired in third countries, such as Canada, England, or Mexico.
Importation of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products is prohibited whether the goods are purchased by the importer or given to the importer as a gift. Similarly, the import ban extends to Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products offered for sale over the Internet or through a catalog.
It is also illegal for U.S. persons to buy, sell, trade, or otherwise engage in transactions involving illegally-imported Cuban cigars. The penalties for doing so include, in addition to confiscation of the cigars, civil fines of up to $55,000 per violation and in appropriate cases, criminal prosecution which may result in higher fines and/or imprisonment.
These prohibitions are applicable to all goods of Cuban origin and are an important element of the comprehensive program of economic sanctions against the Cuban Government which have been in place since 1963. Those sanctions have had the support of the last seven Administrations.
The U.S. Treasury Department, Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), administers the embargo of Cuba. Suspected embargo violations may be reported telephonically to OFAC Enforcement Division at 202.622.2430 or via facsimile at 202.622.1657.

It is worthwhile to report also that it is illegal for U.S. citizens to purchase Cuban cigars in a another country and consume that cigar while visiting said country--something I found out at the Windsor-Detroit Tunnel one day while smoking a Cuban cigar on the Windsor side of the border.

175 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:35:53am

Hello folks.

Hey, I'm good at all these repair works & DIY. Recently I even learnt the basics of operating milling machines and lathes...

176 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:36:50am

# 171 steve

Why worry about buying ammo ? Look at the diameter of the main and secondary guns, then try and estimate how many rounds could possibly be carried inside the vehicle. Not bloody many, I'll wager. Especially when you subtract the volume that will be occupied by the structural framework necessary to withstand the recoil from such large caliber guns. And, of course, the armor thickness required to withstand similar rounds from the enemy. Bad design all around, I would say.

177 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:40:55am

# 172 GJ

Surely I should be able to at least get you started down the path. Can you e-mail me ? I've got to go to an obligatory team dinner in 20 minutes, but will be back sometime after that. See if you can e-mail me now, and if that's not possible, post immediately and tell me how to fix my nic so it is possible. I've got almost 6 weeks here (minimum) ahead of me, and surely the local staff here must have friends and acquaintances that do stuff like that.

178 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:43:22am

# 173 Kragar

OK, then take out the freaking cooling system, especially if it's required for weapons use. Result - dead tank, even if it is still able to crawl about the landscape. Poor design. Get a hole in your car radiator and see just how far it runs.

179 steve  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:44:55am

#176 MikeC
Yeah, but after you use up your one round you would have to go back to the armory and reload. All those trips back and forth are going to use up alot of fuel. The less you have to pay for it the more trips and the more rounds fired;-P

180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:45:17am

176 Mike C.

SHUSH!

Future setting, various high tech systems compensate for recoil, structural stabilization, plus it has several energy based weapon system, as well as special synthetic alloys for the hull to reduce weight with better protection than conventional armor.

Plus its a huge fricking tank, which is the really important part

181 steve  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:55:48am

glocktalk.com is raffeling off these two defense systems.

1st prize
[Link: www.securityarms.com...]

2nd prize
[Link: www.kimdutoit.com...]

182 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:56:30am

# 180 Kragar

Well, if you insist on going the sci-fi route, wouldn't a single person armed with any number of magic shields and weapons be more effective ? Guess I'm just not into it. Sorry. Still, never put vital systems outside of the necessary armor - first rule of armored vehicle design, regardless of the level of technology available.

183 Mike C.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 1:58:09am

GJ

Gotta run to that damned team dinner now. I'll be back in somewhere between 1 and 2 hours. I'll look for your additional posts on that prior subject.

184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:03:15am

182 Mike C.

They arent vital, they're an auxillary system to extend field time from several day without resupply to 2-3 weeks. All important functions are internal.

And the single guys in the advanced armor are in a different force, found here

185 CobraReviewer  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:19:37am

Yup, came on during Rathergate, been here ever since.

186 J.D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:40:24am

Anyone in the house missing Dan Rather? Anyone?

Thank you, Charles. This would never have happened without you.

OT
It's almost looking as though someone may be going down.

...Psychiatrist George Woods Jr., who had diagnosed Akbar with schizophrenia and depression, acknowledged under cross-examination that Akbar was sane and knew the consequences of his actions when he carried out the attack.

After the defense rested, prosecutors called rebuttal witnesses, including Akbar's former company commander. Capt. Darman Place said Akbar told him he didn't have a problem fighting in the Iraq war.

The court-martial is the first time since the Vietnam era that an American has been prosecuted on charges of murdering a fellow soldier during wartime.


Father says Akbar endured Muslim bias

187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:44:19am

Gaza blast wounds Israeli soldier

An explosion has hit an Israeli army vehicle on the border with the Gaza Strip, wounding at least one soldier.

I wonder if THIS violates the ceasefire.

I say wound a soldier, loose a city block.

188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:52:09am

Plus, Palestine does nothing, Israel gets blamed:

Sharon deals blow to roadmap

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon delivered another blow to the roadmap peace plan by demanding a complete halt to Palestinian violence before he begins implemeting the troubled blueprint.

The prime minister, accused of violating the peace plan by pushing on with the expansion of West Bank settlements, said that Israel would not be bound by its terms while attacks by Palestinian
groups continued.

"We will not be committed to the roadmap until the Palestinians respect their commitment to stop terrorism," Sharon told public radio.

Let me just check, yup, Palestine is supposed to stop all incitement under the Roadmap, and they still arent getting called on it.

189 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:53:47am

#183 Mike-in-Beijing:

Check your e-mail.

And thanks. I'm kinda busy here before the holidays, but I expect I'll be back on here in an hour or two.

190 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:58:49am

#188 Kragar

I think that people who think the Roadmap has still any real value suffer from a quite serious disconnect from reality.

That plan is dead and buried to any practical effect.

191 hornet  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:03:12am

There is an interesting article by Douglas Davis of The Spectator magazine (co.uk) on Israel being the giant of world technology (outside of silicon valley in California). That is Gods' blessing on Israel for sure. I cannot access this article from the April 21st edition of the Spectator. It is reprinted as an OP-ED in todays Ottawa Citizen.

Shalom. Good morning Lizardoids worldwide.

192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:03:50am

190 FabioC.

I agree with you, the roadmap is dead. Still, it is not stopping the fools of the left who keep trying to get Israel to follow it, while never mentioning the Palis took a giant shit on the whole deal from the beginning.

The Palis have a state, its called Jordan and they should move themselves there or be removed forcibly, now.

193 Nancy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:11:04am

#188 Kragar

Imagine that --it is a "blow to peace plan" if he insists the violence has to end!

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon delivered another blow to the roadmap peace plan by demanding a complete halt to Palestinian violence before he begins implemeting the troubled blueprint.

It will be an astonishing day when the press comes out and says that the continued Palestinian violence is a "blow to the peace plan."

194 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:11:31am

Where have I seen this story before? ;)

195 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:16:14am
196 FriarsTale  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:23:52am

I got chills reading that

then again, my computer is in the basement, and I'm eating a bowl of Cheerios

not wearing any pajamas

(I mean I'm fully dressed)
/I slay me!

197 Sarah D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:23:55am

Vacationing in North Korea? Lots of 4 star restaurants I'll bet.

198 Hankmeister  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:26:02am

A ringing endorsement, I would say. I'm glad I was able to play a small part in one of the more exciting times on the Internet as I was emailing Powerlineblog and LGF updates to all my email contacts. Not to mention going to the moonbat sites and citing my 25 years in the graphic arts/printing industry credentials and telling them they've been had by CBS and the fraudulent TANG documents. I mean, what are you going to believe, your lying eyes or Dan Blather/CBS?

199 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:28:49am

#197 Sarah Dee:

Yeah, North Korean cuisine is particularly renowned for its Grass and Bark Stew.

200 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:29:20am
201 J.D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:30:02am

#194 Dar ul Harb
It wasn't wasted on me. I saw your link the other day.
Hat tip definitely goes to Dar ul Harb.

202 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:30:02am

If you eat meat in NK, you can just hope it's dog and nothing worse...

But Uruguay and Mongolia, and even Vietnam, do not sound so bad.

203 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:32:17am

A couple of points that bit CBS-

They consulted documentation experts before going on air with this and were told that they would be a laughingstock if they went on air with the forgeries.

The MSM can really see blogs as their light at the end of the tunnel if they start using the internet correctly. Reporters and television news producers are so used to the press confrerence/press release as their source of information, then maybe find somebody to give a quote to express "diviersity of opinion" that they don't seem to realize that just about all the accumulated knowledge of humanity is at their fingertips if they take 15 minutes to check themselves.

#166 Krager-

Those things look beautifully deadly, but I don't see the utility of either vehicle in a useful capacity. The second large gun mounted in the hull is just too redundant, ammo issues wuouild be a problem, there are about fifteen different weapons systems, but most of them seem to lack targeting apparatus, and the huge size just means that it is going to be easily seen by the enemy and won't be as manueverable. Also, I would hope that projected energy weapons wouldn't need those bored gun tubes, and would be lots smaller.

Rant off now, for models they certainly look dangerous.

204 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:32:57am
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon delivered another blow to the roadmap peace plan by demanding a complete halt to Palestinian violence before he begins implemeting the troubled blueprint.

F*ck!

How Orwellian is that?

205 Hazel  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:34:13am

Charles gets the recognition he so richly deserves. In your face all the LLLs

206 manker  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:35:02am

#187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah yes, but the other point is that over 10 explosive devices have been found in the past two weeks alone.

All this is freaken ridiculous, it's time for the artillery batteries to get some practice.

207 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:39:03am
208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:41:03am

#206 manker


it's time for the artillery batteries to get some practice.

Nothing going on in Gaza that artillery barrage lasting 5-6 hours, followed by a dusting of the area with WP, then surveyed by armored troops with effective RoE orders cant fix.

Eygpt isnt that far, and any Palis who make it there can stay.

209 Nancy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:43:12am

Imagine that, waging a revolution by constructive means of providing some factual evidence instead of just making some outrageous claims or donning some costume and protesting.

I think the change that is occurring is far reaching beyond just the main stream news.

Hardly a day goes by when the scientific community is not rejecting some prior research which had been accepted as "fact" as false, shoddy or inaccurrate.

In government --the intelligence agencies and the UN is certainly coming under scrutiny for "shoddy" research and practices.

It's reaching into academia as well. Fakes, frauds and plagerists one day will no longer be tolerated.

Research in ALL areas is going to be questioned and the change which the left fears the most is that "shoddy science" --false claims, inaccurrate numbers, biased reports and unsubstantiated claims will no longer be accepted as fact just because "so and so" says so.

The bloggers all supsected the documents were dubious for suddenly turning up after 20 years but without the evidence which Charles provided and was further substantiated by a professional expert, no amount of blogging would have likely accomplished much.

The irony here is that someone used modern technology to produce false documents and Charles used the same modern technology to prove they were not original documents from the 70's.

210 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:43:30am

#207:

Mornin', Queen of Spades! :>))

As a westerner you will get all the food you need to get, so when you leave you will be able to tell people how wonderful it all is...

Actually, I saw this show on the Beeb, where a guy traveled to NK. He had these two minders with him all the time.

Point is, this guy ate at the best restaurants and stuff, and still the meat on offer fell into the category "Mystery Meat". The veggies were all right though.

211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:45:13am

Funny they mention NK, they've been experimenting with tourism:

Welcome to North Korea. Rule No. 1: Obey all rules.

Our convoy continued northward through dry, rugged terrain that evokes the landscape seen in old cowboy films. But Hollywood Westerns don't have armed North Korean soldiers standing at attention every 100 yards, mile after mile, every one holding a red flag. Should anyone decide to sneak his camera up to the bus window, a flag would be raised, and presumably the bus would be halted.
212 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:45:14am

#208 Kragar (PTBK):

Yeah, uh-hum, just one teensy-tiny problem with what you're suggesting...

213 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:45:16am

Morning, everybody!

214 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:45:21am
215 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:46:21am

OT- Scary severe weather form letter at SPC for today

PUBLIC SEVERE WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0723 AM CDT THU APR 21 2005

VALID 211223Z - 212030Z

...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED OVER PARTS OF THE TODAY AND TONIGHT.

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER IN NORMAN OK IS FORECASTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF OVER PARTS OF THE LATER TODAY AND TONIGHT.

THE AREAS MOST LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE THIS ACTIVITY INCLUDE


SURROUNDING THE MODERATE RISK AREA...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM PARTS OF IOWA...ILLINOIS AND WESTERN INDIANA SOUTH AND WEST INTO PARTS OF CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST TEXAS.

AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY FOR A FEW TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL IS EXPECTED THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT OVER PARTS OF THE CNTRL AND SRN PLAINS AS A VIGOROUS JET STREAM DISTURBANCE MOVES EAST FROM COLORADO INTO THE LOWER MISSOURI VALLEY.

A DEEPENING SURFACE LOW WILL MOVE EAST ALONG A NEARLY STATIONARY FRONT ACROSS NORTHERN PARTS OF KANSAS AND MISSOURI. DAYTIME HEATING AND THE ARRIVAL OF STRONGER UPPER LEVEL WINDS WILL LEAD TO AN INTENSIFICATION OF THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED TO FORM ALONG AND NEAR THE FRONT. OTHER STORMS WILL LIKELY FORM ALONG A WIND SHIFT LINE EXTENDING FROM EASTERN KANSAS SOUTHWARD INTO CENTRAL AND EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND PARTS OF TEXAS.

THE COMBINATION OF THE VERY UNSTABLE AIR AND STRENGTHENING WIND PROFILES WILL CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT FAVORABLE FOR FAST-GROWING SUPERCELL /ROTATING/ THUNDERSTORMS WITH VERY LARGE HAIL...HIGH WIND AND A FEW TORNADOES.

THOSE IN THE THREATENED AREA ARE URGED TO REVIEW SEVERE WEATHER SAFETY RULES AND TO LISTEN TO RADIO...TELEVISION...AND NOAA WEATHER RADIO FOR POSSIBLE WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND STATEMENTS LATER TODAY.

... 04/21/2005

I'm guessing there are talking about Kansas, Missouri and northeast Oklahoma.

216 manker  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:46:54am

#208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I agree, but whats WP?

Also I found an important website

Referendum for Israel

217 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:47:25am

Good Lizards Morning!

218 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:47:52am

Thanks, Ed.

Hope my lil' brother up in KC MO is watchin' his ass.

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:48:05am

212 Golden Jerusalem

Only one?

I'm just preferring to focus on solutions, not the problems.

And I'd give them 24 hours notice to vacate before firing off anything. The smart ones would figure out something was up just from the build up.

220 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:48:13am
221 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:48:46am

Peacekeeper!

What's this I hear about you not bein' able to be on in the daytime anymore on account of you actually (shudder) working?

222 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:48:52am

WP = White Phosphorus.

I think putting forward ideas like that may not be constructive and may provide ammo to LLL-idiots who claim that everybody at this site are genocidal maniacs.

/Just my $0.02

Chag Sameach agav, manker!

223 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:49:06am

Good Morning Dead Thread Society,

How is everyone this morning.

224 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:50:46am

#220 American Infidel

Sooo? He had meat & vegetables, much more then a NORMAL North Korean would have...

I think I would convert to vegetarianism for the duration of my fun-filled vacation in North Korea.

225 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:50:46am

Shomer ha'shalom:

Morning, goy. How's LLLala-land (Mass-Uh-Chew...) this morning?

226 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:51:30am

'Nam Grunt:

Good morning, buddy.

How ya doin'? How's that ankle?

227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:51:32am

216 manker

White Phosphorus (WP)


White Phosphorus (WP), known as Willy Pete, is used for signaling, screening, and incendiary purposes. WP is a colorless to yellow wax-like substance with a pungent, garlic-like smell. White phosphorus, a pyrophoric material (ie, spontaneously flammable), creates a smoke screen. A side benefit of white phosphorus is that white phosphorus smoke is toxic and readily penetrates protective mask filters. Phosphorus smokes are generated by a variety of munitions. Some of these munitions such as the MA25 (155-mm round) may, on explosion, distribute particles of incompletely oxidized white phosphorus.
228 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:52:01am

Biscuits for Id'yits

229 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:52:10am

#223 Nam Grunt

Don't know about anybody else, but I'm doin' fine 'cept for the black eye this morning.

230 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:52:18am

Ad my #225:

Please replace

goy

with guy!

PIMF! :>)))

231 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:53:09am

Swamp Woman:

Black eye?

Uh, is there a story here?

232 manker  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:54:06am

Kragar

Al-Aqsa Brigades claim responsibility for Gaza blast

I know I'm glad that these guys are going to become the police force! Aren't you?

But seriously this could be Fatahs beginning of trying to delay the elections. Or trying to rally support for it's party (thats lovely, whoever kills more Jews, wins)

And since exploding stuff just isn't enough

Palestinians fire at IDF base in Gaza

And the fun doesn't stop there

Two Palestinians are under arrest for allegedly planning to murder a group of Israeli policemen on the outskirts of Jerusalem and then mutilate them, police said Thursday.

233 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:54:14am

#228 Geepers

ROFL! I've never had any stale leftover biscuits, though. My family is greedy.

234 RickZ  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:54:44am

From todays's NYPost.

BORKING JOHN BOLTON

The fact is that the Democrats' problems with John Bolton have nothing to do with his personality and everything to do with his views.

That, and of the policies of the Bush administration, for which he would be an advocate at the United Nations.

And that's what the Democrats can't abide.

They don't like tough talk at the U.N. — though precisely such honest and forthright diplomacy, confronting the world body on its many shortcomings, was the hallmark of one their most honored former colleagues, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, when he held the ambassador's job.

Fortunately, President Bush shows no signs of backing down in the face of Democratic demagoguery.

235 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:55:52am

Geepers,

My biscuits are nice and fluuffy, but there are plenty of moonbats where I live.

GJ,

Doing ok, just a little sore I had a rough night last night, but feeling a little better this morning.

236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:56:37am

222 Golden Jerusalem

The LLL think it anyways and I dont believe when push comes to shove, a diplomatic solution to the question of the gaza and west bank squatters will be solved until several more bloody conflicts have been waged.

237 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:56:41am
238 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:57:10am

Swamps
Not exactly. We got a new Department head. I myself only started here 9 months ago. This Department has been drifting in the wind for years. Anyway I told him that he should basically tear evrything down and start over because it is so FUBAR. Which conclusion he had pretty much already reached. I spend way too much time waiting for something to happen. The downside is that I get to blog.
I was pretty astounded to see at least one person at the meeting get near hysterical about his plans. I doubt she will be with us much longer. Ahh the public sector...

239 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:57:33am

Shalom, Lizard Nation and 'specially Rabbi Gruntstein.

240 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:58:04am

Swampy,

Ok how many guys did you beat the hell out of?

241 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:58:45am

I was pretty astounded to see at least one person at the meeting get near hysterical about his plans.

hysteria is a sure sign of moonbatticus extremus

242 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:00:48am

L'Chaim Babba,

Top 'O the morning to you.

243 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:53am

SwampWoman (#233),

It's like LGF. Say something stupid, and immediately someone's whipping a biscuit. "POW"

244 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:56am

GeeJay

Shalom mensch (did I get that right). I only visit Massachusetts now. I live in the US State with the most horses per capita...no, not Texas.
One horse for every 18 Whomons.

245 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:02:05am

Chag Sameach Le Kol Ha-lizardoids!

246 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:04:34am

#244 PK:

This is a wild guess, buth uhm: South Carolina?

247 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:05:22am

BabeeZee

As the chosen people say; "Oy". You don't try to shout down the boss at his meeting. Of course she's been gettin away with it for years...

248 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:06:03am

#245 Golden Jerusalem

Chag Sameach!

249 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:06:30am

PK,

I didn't even know they had horses in Vermont, except for pictures. ;-))

250 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:06:43am

#247 Peacekeeper
I hate that they get away with it.

251 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:01am

GJ

35,000 people. One horse for every 18... Last time I checked we had 28.

252 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:03am

#248 BabbaZee:

Stocked up on matzot, got rid of the chametz? :>)

253 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:36am

Chag Sandwich Babba!

254 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:09:21am

#252 Golden Jerusalem
Of course!
I always go to my friend Neil's parents - they roast the lamb on a spit outside. Last year I was having surgery and could't go and neil said no one talked to each other without me there LOL!
MMM MMM spit roast lamb. cant wait!

255 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:09:23am

#251 PK:

Vermont?

Uh, OK. Tiny state, one which, I must confess, I don't know too much about.

Except for the horses-per-capita stat, of course :>)

256 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:15am

The moonbats per capita in VT are enormous LOL!

257 TigerHawk  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:18am

The battle of Stalingrad was during the winter of 1942-43, not 1944.

Just sayin, is all.

258 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:33am

Nam you spilled the beans!

Actually sheep were THE animal from settlement until about 1850 when dairy cows took over. Dairy went into decline in the 1970's and is failing fast. Horses for sport and recreation are the new wave. At least I hope so. Otherwise why am I shoveling sh*t on my weekends?

259 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:37am

Peacekeeper:

What's the moonbat-per-capita in VT?

260 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:11:35am

PK dont lots of people have sheep instead of lawn mowers still? I lived in VT for a little while.

261 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:11:42am

#257:

Correct.

262 Nancy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:12:01am

#244 Peacekeeper

I am guessing Wyoming.

I know it isn't Nebraska --they have more cattle than people.

263 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:12:06am
L'Chaim Babba

Isn't it a little early to be drinking, 'Nam Grunt? ;-)

264 W-lover  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:12:51am

Good Morning Babba, AI, GJ, Peacekeeper & 'Nam!

AI-

Just like we should not be supporting CHINA, they are communists and we will pay in the future for spending our hard earned dollars at the factories owned by these communist bastards...

I couldn't agree with you more, however, have you tried not buying things "Made in China"? It's Tough with a capital T.

265 cardiacmont  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:13:09am

It seems to me the MSM is still circling the wagons. Dan Rather's conduct during this whole incident can be boiled down to 1 or more of the following points:

1. He is incompetent.
2. He is dishonest.
3. He is criminal.
4. He is stupid.

Apparently they are settling on number 4, that he is stupid. As for me, I pick 2 and 3.

266 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:13:18am

Babba
We are under Moonbat occupation. In the 60's Hippies flocked here to live on communes. The Communes all failed because nobody wanted to get out of bed and do chores. So the hippies moved to Burlington and got Government jobs. Downhill ever since.

267 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:10am
(...) (The MSM is) Stalingrad in 1944. Your institutions are hollowed out and your walls are scorched.

I guess what the guy means is that the MSM already lost its Stalingrad and is now just a bombed-out buncha ruins...

268 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:13am

In those days when Rather was still stonewalling, you had to marvel at the confidence of the bloggers. They knew what Dan did not-that he and his network would ultimately blink.


Dear Ndugu:

Retirement is terrible. I am plauged by nightmares filled with johnsons, lizards and footballs.

~ Dan Rather

269 Nancy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:20am

#251 PK:

Vermont?

I would have NEVER guessed Vermont!

Learn something new on here everyday!

270 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:40am

Nothin' sinister at the black eye--just a lamb that had gotten out and decided to go back through the fence over the top of a patch of stinging nettles that had a big fire ant bed in it. He didn't appreciate me rescuing him and attempting to heave him over the fence and kicked back, nailed me right underneath the corner of the eye/bridge of nose.

I know who is going to be Christmas dinner, though.

271 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:43am

#263 zulubaby,

Shalom ZB, and I assure you that I'm not drinking. ;-)

272 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:07am
273 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:08am

#266 Peacekeeper
I know. I lived in Essex Junction in the late 80's. Hadda leave before I killed someone ;-)

274 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:16:19am

#254 BabbaZee

MMM MMM spit roast lamb. cant wait!

Oooh, perhaps I should put an ad in the paper this week for perfect spit-sized lambs, you kill 'em and grill 'em.

275 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:16:40am

Hard left is about 20% of the voters, Democrats about 20%, Swing in the wind voters another 20%, Rhinos 30%, me .00001%.
Where'd you live Babba?

276 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:16:50am

islam doesn't stand a chance. ;-)

MARKTL AM INN, Germany Here in the tiny birthplace of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the townspeople turned out to celebrate his ascension to the helm of the Roman Catholic Church in genuine Bavarian style: with a thumping brass band and frothy glasses of beer.
277 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:18:08am

Mornin Swampy AI W-luv Z-babe

Swampy - did you cleanse the funk?

278 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:18:57am

Hey, Nam Vet!

You should have held off on the conversion to Judaism until AFTER passover. From what American Soldier said up thread, there is some SERIOUS housecleaning involved before Passover. Sounds kinda like work.

279 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:08am
280 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:12am

PK
Essex Junction

281 W-lover  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:29am

OT:

I visited with my radio host friend last night, and I asked him how the ratings were looking for Air Wacko. Here in Minneapolis he said they're not even a blip on the radar.

BWAAHAAHAA!

282 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:42am

I never saw a VT [bigoted word]

283 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:20:20am

#278 SwampWoman
OHHH yes.

284 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:20:24am

Take me down to the paradise city
Where the grass is green
And the girls are pretty
Take me home (Oh, won't you please take me hooome)

285 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:22am

GJ - Have you seen what the freak did to his face? Holy Mickey Rourke, batman!

286 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:24am

Swamps
I am told sheep are easy to raise. They don't break easily. Had one spit roasted in Bosnia, yummy. I tell the wife I want a couple to clean weeds out of the ditches, but she keeps saying no.

287 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:22:14am

Swampy,

That's what is nice about being an Honorary Jewboy.-)))

288 foreign devil  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:00am

Morning all! Wow! That article is quite simply the very best assessment of the blogosphere and its relationship to the MSM that I've read so far. If everyone had Boas' attitude, the 'information sphere' could operate so much better even still. Without the 'hauteur' of the MSM there could be a beneficial partnership--at least respect of the other's information. It's all up to the MSM to make the adjustment. The blogs came into being because of extreme dissatisfaction with the MSM and nothing has to change...but it would be so much better if it did.

289 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:17am

Hey Rabbi Gruntstein:
Is that a Torah scroll in yer pocket or are you just glad to see me?
;-P

290 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:22am
291 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:24:12am

#285 BabbaZee:

What? What? Whaddid I miss?

292 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:25:41am

#289 BabbaZee,

LOL!

293 kayawanee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:25:49am
Here’s what newspaper editors and writers should know about this new Internet phenomenon. Bloggers don’t have much respect for you. You are the “legacy media,” the MSM. You’re the Roman Catholic Church to their Martin Luther and his new high-speed cable modem.


And here's what we're nailing to the door of our cyberspatial Wittenberg church:

TO ALL OF MAIN STREAM MEDIA--THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT OF YOU:

1) Speak the truth.

2) Acknowledge that the MSM has a palpable leftist slant/bias.

3) Acknowledge that the MSM staff is chock full of liberal activists.

4) Admit that you often substitute liberal opinion for fact in many of your "reports".

5) Distinguish between "News" and "News Analysis".

6) Don't talk down to your readers. We are bus drivers, business people, construction workers, engineers, artisans, MD's, but it doesn't matter. As spoken by Shakespeare's Hamlet, "I know a hawk from a handsaw." We really do.

7) Do not tag opinions you differ with as "fringe" opinions.

8) Don't attempt to change the outcome of an election, particularly with false charges.

9) You had better get your facts right, because we will fact check your ass.

10) If you are going to reference a "think tank" as a source of information in an article ALWAYS identify its political slant or affiliation. Don't just tag the "conservative" ones.

11) Speaking "truth to power" is NOT your job. Simply speak the truth.

12) People who live in "Red" states are not aliens. Don't treat them as such.

13) The UN is NOT the organization best suited to deal with difficult global problems.

14) The UN is NOT a democratic institution.

15) The UN is at best a glorified debating society, at worst it is an socialist, anti-semitic, anti-American den of vipers.

16) There IS a difference between the gov't of Israeli, which is transparent and democratic, and terrorist organizations, which are neither.

17) People who purposefully avoid military combat and intentionally target civilians for death instead are NOT FREEDOM FIGHTERS! They are TERRORISTS!

18) Stop telling us how great Cuba's medical and education system are. They both suck, and we know it.

19) Hollywood celebrities are neither "historians" nor "experts" of governmental policy. Do not quote them as if they are.

20) France is not our ally. Their openly stated policy is to oppose all of our openly stated policies.

21) We in the blogosphere will be watching you.

Yeah, I know there were 95 theses, but I'll let some of you pick up the slack.

Oh, and good morning lizards!

294 W-lover  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:20am

You all know I would love to stay and chat with you all morning, afternoon & evening. But sadly, I must head off and work like a good conservative so the government can take it away. I'll see some of you later, and I hope everyone has a great day! I'll miss you!

295 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:27:06am

BabbaZee
Essex and Essex Junction are still fighting over whether or not to much into a "mega-city" of 18K people.

296 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:27:18am

Oh geez.

Look for professors to start cranking up the rhetoric:

Student Bush backers outnumber critics

The survey of 1,206 students nationwide finds about 47 percent approve of Mr. Bush, about 46 percent disapprove and about 6 percent are unsure. There's an uptick in collegiate conservatism as well: 33 percent say they are conservatives, up three points from 2004.
297 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:28:09am

W-Lover
and you never even said hi to me. Sniff.

298 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:28:37am
299 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:29:11am

Have a GREAT Day W-lover.

300 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:29:32am

#277 BabbaZee

Swampy - did you cleanse the funk?

No, the house is still pretty messy (G).

Part of the problem is that I am at heart a blue-collar worker. (Guess it's the redneck in me.) I like to get dirty. I like to do physical labor. I like to rassle sheep and cattle and horses. I like tossin' manure, pourin' concrete, and building stuff and growin' stuff. Unfortunately, I'm gettin' too old for that shit (so I've been told by my freakin' doc) and am absolutely miserable doing white collar computer-related things while turning soft and squishy.

I just have to find something that will keep injuries to a minimum that will get me back outside for hours so I can work on a bigger case of skin cancer.

301 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:29:43am

#295 Peacekeeper
PTTHHH!
I also lived in another huge town - Putney

302 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:30:14am
303 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:30:36am

#300 SwampWoman
Get a hammock, then you can lay down in between ;-)

304 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:32:42am

Swampy,

Start a vegetable garden, I've always wanted to do that but never had the land.

305 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:32:57am

AI
We get refugee resettlements here. There is a Vietnamese community and a Bosnian one. The Bosnians have pretty much abandoned Islam. We had Kurds for a while but they moved away.
You will be amused to know that we received a contingent of Sudanese "Lost Boys" back in 2000. They were Christians and survivors of Islamic genocide. They were the toast of the town until 9/11 when one was quoted in the paper that it was what he expected from Muslims and that they were evil. Overnight MSM no longer cared what they thought. The Lost Boys of Vermont are now lost again, thanks to their AI like views.

306 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:33:01am

#291 Golden Jerusalem

[Link: channels.netscape.com...]
And there's an ever-growing cast of aging rock stars getting involved in the insanity. Axl Rose from Guns N' Roses performed at one of the MTV Awards with a strange new face and braids in his hair a few years ago. The consensus was that he looked horrible. Steven Tyler of Aerosmith seems to have had a lot of work done. His face and lips just keeping looking weirder. He's almost starting to resemble a woman. And David Lee Roth, in the words of one show business wag, now "looks like some kind of Muppet or something."

307 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:34:21am

#293 kayawanee
Well, THAT ain't gonna happen! LOL!
G'Mornin'.

308 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:20am

Golden Jay~ BTW my sister hangs out with DLR and he DOES look like a muppet. Big time.

309 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:29am
310 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:36:04am

Swamps, quittin work will kill you faster than cheeseburgers and Cigs. My Dad is 82, he's doin yardwork for all the neighborhood widows... the apple don't fall far from the tree (rolls eyes indeed!).

311 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:36:45am

#293 kayawanee,

Morning, and very true.

312 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:36:53am

#305 Peacekeeper
They were the toast of the town until 9/11 when one was quoted in the paper that it was what he expected from Muslims and that they were evil.

Gotta love him.

313 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:37:02am

Peacekeeper (#295),

LOL.

Used to live in Waitsfield. Vermont's a beautiful place.

314 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:24am

Some Questions:

Would you wear a Charlie Manson tee-shirt to the Tate Family reunion?

Would you wear a Adolf Hitler shirt in a synagague?

Keith Urbahn of the Yale Daily News thinks that communist-chic attire (the Che shirt, etc.) is defintely not cool (HT to Mark Urbin):

Marxism was a dark -- perhaps the darkest -- chapter in human history. Those who still admire the ideology are sullied by the black stain of 85 million deaths. Those who -- ignorant of the story behind their beloved leftist icons -- sport Che or vintage Communist Party shirts are likewise tainted by tacit approval of unprecedented crimes against humanity.

Displaying a swastika or a poster of the KKK's Grand Dragon on a dorm wall is considered unacceptable by the standards of modern society, yet somehow, symbols identified with communist mass murder pass the test of political correctness -- they're even "cute" or "kitschy." But "radical chic" isn't "cool"; it's a disgraceful endorsement of humanity's most appalling atrocities.


And we still have May Day coming up soon. Anyone in favor of candlelight vigil to remember the victims of Communism?
_

315 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:57am

Ah. Axl rose, now a completely diff'rent-lookin' guy?

316 foreign devil  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:40:03am

#298 AI:

Whoooaaa! Good One!

317 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:40:15am

O/T:

Canadian Hosted Hamas Internet Site Advocates Killing Israeli Prime Minister

Misunderstanders of Islam target Sharon -- from Canada. From American Daily, with thanks to Kemaste: The terrorist group Hamas is displaying graphics on its web site that openly praise martyrdom and advocate the killing of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon...

Full article: [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]


315 Golden:
Yup. He hardly looks human. Never liked him anyway...

318 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:40:17am

Peacekeeper!

I am told sheep are easy to raise. They don't break easily. Had one spit roasted in Bosnia, yummy. I tell the wife I want a couple to clean weeds out of the ditches, but she keeps saying no.

Sheep are excellent for keeping weeds out of your ditches, flowers out of your gardens, and they will control those pesky rosebushes with ease, and if you have any special fruit trees, prepare to kiss them goodbye because somehow they will find their way in to girdle them. Seriously, sheep eat forbs first and grass last; are excellent to keep the quality of pasture up that has horses for they prefer to eat the plants that horses will not (plus horses and sheep can break the parasite cycle by ingesting each others parasites).

Very Important Tip: Buy only nasty cheap sheep; no good quality sheep because they will die you you in a heartbeat in inverse proportion to how much you have spent on them. If you get fairly confident about your ability to keep a sheep alive, you might get into the show circuit. Actually, providing sheep for the Muslim market is pretty lucrative.

319 sngnsgt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:41:59am

Screaming Dean is at it again: Link

320 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:42:34am

Darn, preview should be my friend but isn't.

321 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:42:34am

314 The Other Les
Excellent article! And yes I would light candles and remember those murdered by communism

322 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:42:45am

#306 BabbaZee:

Plastic Surgery Disasters, which incidentally was the title of a DK album, IIRC. Yechh!

I sure as hell don't need any of that -- I'm please with what God and Mom and Dad gave me, if ya know what I mean!

323 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:43:54am

Swamps
Right, My mother inlaw raised sheep and said they don't get sick-they just die. A sick sheep is a dead sheep. The vet won't even come out. Harsh.

Yes on Muslims, we are close enough to NYC that even here the State Ag Dept is telling people that Goat and SHeep for meat is a growing market. But do I want to feed NYC jihadists?

324 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:43:59am

Dang, Kay! Great morning rant!

325 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:44:02am

#317 BabbaZee:

Never liked him anyway...

Naw, hardly a likeable character, i agree.

I like some of the early GNR stuff, particularly Appetite.

326 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:44:22am

Actually, providing sheep for the Muslim market is pretty lucrative.


All of you, swear an oath not to contribute to their health by feeding them!
~ Pope Islamicus Smiticus

327 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:07am

#318 SwampWoman,

I don't think I could raise sheep for the muslim market, I would feel like I was running a whorehouse.

328 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:12am

"Actually, providing sheep for the Muslim market is pretty lucrative. "

Can't wait to see what some lizards are gonna do with that line...

329 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:29am

SwampWoman (#318),

What about a goat?

330 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:49am

#325 Golden Jerusalem
It's after my time. By the time G & R came out I had already moved from paying attention to metal to paying attention to jazz and old movie soundtracks.
I knew of them but didnt buy any albums.
I is old LOL!

331 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:46:11am

too late...

332 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:47:20am

#328 PK:

You set 'em up, and we knock 'em on down, LoooL!

333 kayawanee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:00am

#307 BabbaZee
#311 'Nam Grunt

It's both a wish list and a warning. Some in the media are starting to realize what's going on. They realize that their ship is taking on water, and they'd better pull out the bilge pumps.

Unfortunately, many like William Raspberry are still in denial. They shrug off the blogosphere because the water is only up to their knees. They haven't noticed yet how quickly it's rising. But their bosses have. They see the rating numbers, and their afraid.

And the blogosphere smells fear.

Buwahahahaha!

334 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:22am

I tried heifers for weed control one summer. Mistake. Escape artists and NFL football action to try and put one back in the pasture. Oh yeah, you can tackle a cow. You have to... they don't lead well.

335 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:41am

#323 Peacekeeper

Right, My mother inlaw raised sheep and said they don't get sick-they just die. A sick sheep is a dead sheep. The vet won't even come out. Harsh.

Well, that's a little harsh. Here there aren't really vets specializing in sheep; I have had some of them call me and ask me what the treatment was for a particular malady, so you either learn how to fix 'em or they do die. OTOH, I spent several years fixin' sheep only to have the same sheep get sick over and over again. It cost a lot in labor and medications; however, if I let them die, the problem was fixed.

336 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:50:01am

#330 BabbaZee:

It's after my time. By the time G & R came out I had already moved from paying attention to metal to paying attention to jazz and old movie soundtracks.

Yeah, I wnet thru the same thing, but when Appetite came out, like 1987 (?), it blew my mind.

Remember how crappy main stream music was then, yuk.

Oh, and don't worry, you's only as old as you feel, LOL.

I'm gettin' there as well. I've done my biological duty to preserve the fambly name, so now I can go into decline, heh.

337 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:50:29am
338 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:50:51am

#336 Golden Jerusalem
I am the last of my kind, like Vlad Dracul LOL!

339 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:51:06am

She had a ramm that liked to sneak up and butt her whenever she bent over. She ate it at the end of the season. ..

340 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:51:35am

Do not feed the [bigoted word]s.

341 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:51:55am

#329 Geepers

What about a goat?

Oooh, don't get me started about goats!

I know RebTex loves his goats (not in that special way) but they're an even bigger pain in the butt for getting out. At least when sheep get out, they don't immediately climb on top of your vehicle.

342 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:52:03am

I had a goat named Malevolent once.

343 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:52:33am

Goat Guy is cool.

344 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:23am

Ahh 80's music. Springstein, Madonna, way before Nirvanna there was U2 and Blondie and music still on MTV.

345 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:37am

# 323 Peacekeeper

Yes on Muslims, we are close enough to NYC that even here the State Ag Dept is telling people that Goat and SHeep for meat is a growing market. But do I want to feed NYC jihadists?


Every dollar that they spend of groceries is a dollar that won't go into an instrument of jihad.

346 huckfunn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:54:46am

Bloggers in the news again: Ailes, Gore Square Off Amid Laughs

Ailes said that though Fox News won't "go to air from anything off a computer," many bloggers are accurate news sources.
"Bloggers are not only checking the accuracy of CBS, they're checking the accuracy of each other," he said. "We know which bloggers -- within a very short period of time -- are generally credible and which ones are not."

Gee, I wonder who he's talking about?

347 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:54:57am

Link found between Pearl's killers, Muslim charity

Misunderstanders of Islam operate Muslim charity in Pakistan, murder Daniel Pearl. From Pakistan's Daily Times, with thanks to Concerned Citizen: KARACHI: Pakistani investigators have found a definite and irrevocable link between a Muslim charity and one of the four suspects...

Full article: [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]


Kepper of my Peace:

I was sitting in a bar next to MSG when MTV premiered. Seems like 100 years ago... Blondie was great, so were the Ramones.

348 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:55:02am

BabbaZee
NOT planning on the meat business. Although I could advertise down in The City... Behead your own sheep. Slaughter 'em the way Allah meant . Ohh never mind.

349 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:55:06am

Goats freak me out with their vacant stares and rectangular pupils!

[brrr] {shudder}

350 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:56:17am

Every dollar that they spend of groceries is a dollar that won't go into an instrument of jihad.

Hunh?

DO NOT FEED THE [bigoted word]S!
Thank you.
~The Judeo-Christian Religious Revolution

351 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:56:45am

#327 Nam Vet

I don't think I could raise sheep for the muslim market, I would feel like I was running a whorehouse.

Anybody that needs time alone with the sheep gets charged extra (G).

Sheep are slaughtered on premises, taken home in pieces. (Yes, it is legal as long as I don't slaughter 'em.)

It used to be a lucrative market for me; after 9/11, I quit and just take my sheep to auction now except for a few Muslim friends who need a sheep or two for a new birth or a house blessing. No profit anymore, though.

352 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:56:53am

#349 Golden Jerusalem
Me too!
Hyenas are stragiht from hell too.

353 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:57:17am

Video killed the Radio star. LGF killed the CBS Anchor.

354 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:57:56am

350 The Zioness issues a fatwah.

355 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:58:28am
356 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:58:49am

"Actually, providing sheep for the Muslim market is pretty lucrative."

When a Muslim requests one of these mail order brides, does he get a catalog of pictures to choose from, or does he just request wool color and characteristics?

357 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:58:54am

Random thought: Who can possibly be more annoying and full of themselves then that total blowhard sellout BONO?

FEH!

358 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:59:58am

#339 Peacekeeper

She had a ramm that liked to sneak up and butt her whenever she bent over. She ate it at the end of the season. ..

Probably a good thing. A 350 lb. ram can kill a person; a smallish person could get legs broken easily. Those suckers heads are so tough that you need a fairly large caliber bullet to kill 'em by shootin' 'em in the head.

359 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:00:19am

#353 Peacekeeper
very good!

360 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:00:55am

357
"Who can possibly be more annoying and full of themselves then that total blowhard sellout BONO? "

Bill O'Reilly?

361 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:01:27am

#355 Queen o' Spades:

But...but...muslims provide valuable services to society, like...erh...

hang on...

it's on the tip of my tongue...

...
...
...

Ooookay! Let me get back to you on that one!

362 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:02:28am

Felafel!

363 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:02:35am

"P.S. Is Les short for lesbian? "

Unnh what do you mean by that?

364 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:03:13am

#348 Peacekeeper

NOT planning on the meat business. Although I could advertise down in The City... Behead your own sheep. Slaughter 'em the way Allah meant . Ohh never mind.

Nah, just slit the throat.

365 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:03:25am

#360 Peacekeeper
It is close, it is close...ya may have me on that one!

366 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:04:18am

#360 Peacekeeper

"Who can possibly be more annoying and full of themselves then that total blowhard sellout BONO? "

Bill O'Reilly?

dingdingdingdingdingdingding!

367 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:04:41am

Swamps

Horses have their moments too, but we won't keep any that are aggressive.

368 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:04:42am
369 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:06:10am

#356 tankdemon

When a Muslim requests one of these mail order brides, does he get a catalog of pictures to choose from, or does he just request wool color and characteristics?

Sorry to burst your illusions, tankdemon, but it pretty much has to have testicles for them to purchase it. You feelin' all better now? (G)

370 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:06:24am

Pk's rape and kill sheep farm. Come and get it!
Naww, not for a million bucks.

371 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:06:34am

Good morning Lizards to whom I have not already said good morning to many hours ago!

Question: Where's Thom? (Or am I just here too early to see him post?)

372 Geepers  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:06:52am

huckfunn (#346),

From your link:

Earlier, in a presentation about global warming, Gore got laughs by showing a cartoon from "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening that starred a giant ice cube and a yellow-haired girl who looked a lot like Lisa Simpson.

And the Democrats wonder why they're losing the debate?

373 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:07:06am
374 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:08:38am

Well if you are curious, you are halfway there...

Sorry.

375 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:09:09am

Sorry to burst your illusions, tankdemon, but it pretty much has to have testicles for them to purchase it. You feelin' all better now?

For some reason, I get the feeling this would have been one of the most requested characteristics anyway.

376 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:09:21am

Somebody bail me out

377 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:09:28am

Littleoldlady Mornin~ I havent seen Thom in a few days

378 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:09:55am

#336 Golden Jerusalem

I'm gettin' there as well. I've done my biological duty to preserve the fambly name, so now I can go into decline, heh.

Hey, how many times have you preserved the Family Name?

379 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:00am

#376 Peacekeeper
Are you curious yellow?

380 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:00am

Mmmm...lesbians...

[not the butch ones, though!]

381 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:01am
382 huckfunn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:20am

#372 Geepers

Hello, Geep: Gore is the gift that keeps on giving. I hope the Dims keep him front and center for a long time.

383 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:38am

Well I could lure them in with the promise of forbidden sheep action and Babba could hide in the woods with her staff of smiting...

384 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:11:07am

#371 littleoldlady,

Good Morning!, Haven't seen Thom for a couple of days.

385 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:11:11am
386 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:11:48am

#378 Swamp Woman:

Hey, how many times have you preserved the Family Name?

Twice that I'm certain of, heh.

Who knows what else may be out there? :>)

387 W-lover  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:11:59am
Good Morning Babba, AI, GJ, Peacekeeper & 'Nam!

I did say "Hi" to you Peacekeeper!

388 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:12:28am

Apologies for obscure reference to pinko degenerate commie filmaking ;-)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

389 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:12:32am

Peacekeeper-

Now would be a good time to reference the 7W and ACLU t-shirt babes, thus creating a diversion so you can slink away.

390 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:12:36am

#376 Peacekeeper

Somebody bail me out

No, no, baby, you jumped into that one all by yourself. Serious groveling is in order, both for suggesting that AI might swing that way and also for suggesting that there is something wrong about swingin' that way.

391 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:13:34am

#383 Peacekeeper
I like it.

392 justdanny  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:14:08am

Interesting thing about this article and subject. On 911 I kept switching between tv channels, trying to get coverage that was'nt on a loop. I was firing off emails to talking heads cussing them all to pieces for their ignorance and unfair treatment of the President and our governments (seeming) reaction to the attacks.

The MSM started taking on water long before 911, but on that day the bow broke and the MSM passed the tipping point.

You take a bunch (three hundred million) of relaxed people busy living their lives and hand them several network news outlets, in a time when what is happening around the world is vastly less important than what is happening in our day to day lives, and we simply didnt pay enough attention to them to care that they were more commerce whore and lefty shills than balanced media sources. THEN, wake us up with the attacks of 911 and have us rush to these MSM outlets for news and reassurance, and it took us no time, minutes even, to realise that the MSM was nothing. Was no good for anything.

The blogsphere didnt hand the MSM their ass. They handed theirselfs their ass. Sitting in their high chairs handing down their blather every day for so long to an unquestioning public that they felt like gods. In a flash we all became amediasts, and the seed of truly beneficial news gathering and dispensing was planted. i.e. the blogsphere.

393 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:15:35am

The Finn in me wants to say that Swedes are all wierdos.

394 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:15:52am

Peacekeeper

Horses have their moments too, but we won't keep any that are aggressive.

Yeah, but *everybody* should know that horses are aggressive beasts; most people think sheep are docile and peaceful critters.

*everybody* except for the complete idiots that let their kids pet alligators that are minding their own business and sunbathing beside a canal...

395 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:16:36am

#390 SwampWoman,

Glad to see you are back to your happy self. ;-)

396 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:01am

All hail the infallibility of the zionist occupied rovian mind meld blogospherical machinery, and it's ubiquitous clandestine lizardicus army!

397 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:27am

#386 Golden Jerusalem

Twice that I'm certain of, heh.

Belated congratulations, then! Hope they take after you (heh heh heh). Boys? Girls? Each?

398 huckfunn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:32am

#393 Peacekeeper

The funn in me wants to say that all weirdos are Swedes.

399 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:52am

and also for suggesting that there is something wrong about swingin' that way.

I didn't say that. I do not fear the gay menace."
" I'm just a poor boy who's intentions are good, Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood."

400 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:54am

#393 Peacekeeper
a wise Finn implant.

401 Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:18:14am

Les is short for Leslie.

The other one really, really, really ought to use the sarcasm tag.

402 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:18:26am

BabbaZee & 'Nam Grint - Thanks.

Hmmm. Without Thom here I almost don't know where I am.

/James Stockdale mode off

I hope everything's okay with him!

/Jewish mother mode on

403 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:18:27am

398 ROTF

404 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:19:02am

Almost 400 posts in and nobody has yet requested :The light at the end of the media tunnel" as a rotating title yet?

405 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:19:12am

SwampWoman:

Here's my heir!

And, speaking of goats...

406 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:19:20am

GJ
They say third time's the charm...

407 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:19:44am

402

That would be 'Nam GRUNT (if I could type)

408 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:20:09am

# 401 Les

Um...yes.

409 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:20:27am

#404 tankdemon:

LOL! I second that motion!

410 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:20:35am

Norwegions are also on the shitlist.

411 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:21:20am

#395 'Nam Grunt

Glad to see you are back to your happy self. ;-)

Thanks! I usually go around with a big ol' grin, annoyin' the heck outta people.

412 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:21:26am

#397 Swamp Woman:

Two boys, heh.

413 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:21:31am

Golden Jay you choke-holidin' that child? LOL!
Beautiful, botha yez.

414 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:21:34am

#407 littleoldlady,

Hey young lady if GRINT is Jewish then it works for me .;-)))

415 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:22:07am

PK I hate Norwegia! ;-)

416 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:22:26am

And Canadia!

417 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:22:55am

I kid Norway and Canada
~Lounge Singer mode

418 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:23:46am

Let's not have a Scandinavian food fight here.

I've managed to avoid lutefisk so far.

419 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:24:16am

GJ
Not having produced any heirs, I can assure you you are blessed. Where do the goats fit in?

420 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:24:44am

#413 BabbaZee:

Golden Jay you choke-holidin' that child? LOL!

Heh, naw, we're up on Mt. Hermon and it was windy as hell, hence the half-closed eyes.

I's holding on to the boy, cos he insisted on standing up on this railing thing looking out over the valley.

421 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:25:01am

#418 The Other Les
You have been civil and patient -
so thanks, toots!

422 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:25:18am

Russians?

423 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:26:13am
424 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:26:28am

Nadstrovia! (or however you spell that)

425 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:26:44am

#419 PK:

The goats belong to some Druze guy.

I thought it was appropriate here, seein' as we were discussing goats and sheep upthread :>)

426 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:26:54am
427 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:26:59am

#420 Golden Jerusalem,

Well thank God you aren't holding him by his ankles, like that wierdo MJ.

428 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:27:49am
429 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:27:51am

I don't know. Grandpa Jaalmar married an Irish Girl and left the mother tongue behind.

430 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:28:12am

Good morning, Lizardoids.

The latest Iraqi prisoner scandal:
Iraqi prisoners

431 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:28:28am

Okay, as today is Nissan 12 in the Hebrew calendar, what exactly, besides starches with yeast, are not permitted in the house.

Is spaghetti leavened or unleavened.

When do standard American Jews stop buying Wonder Bread?

Just curious.

432 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:29:04am

Ahhh
Mine Muzza tunk
In my willage
I hoid it sunk

433 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:29:45am

Wonder bread? WHY would anyone, even a Satanist want to eat wonder bread?

434 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:29:46am

HEY! HEY HEY!NAM!SWAMPY! BABBA! all!

Swamps, hold yer head up guhl...this too shall pass!(like gas...LOL!)

Nam had a good suggestion...nothing like the smell of workin the earth in a good vegetable garden...you can feel you've really done some work...I wish I still had one...I'll tell you why I don't have one anymore...

As you know I live in Mobile..y'know..water...historic oaks...moss in the trees...you get the visual...I have so many trees my electric bill is less than $100 mid summer, and we can grow the mushrooms from hell under this canopy. Well I decided I wanted a vegetable garden...in winter. I got out there and made a beuatiful lil fenced in garden full of winter vegetables...it was great...I felt great about it! That was until spring came and my dumb a*s didn't think about the leaves coming back on the trees overhead and this beautiful lil garden is only good for growing Hostas and mushrooms because there's not a drop of friggin sun on it!ARRRGGGH!

I told Mrs. Pax when we move I want ONE tree in my next yard..that's it.

435 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:29:48am

#427 'Nam Grunt:

Well thank God you aren't holding him by his ankles, like that wierdo MJ.

LMAO! Naw, buddy, I don't need to tell ya, any normal person wouldn't of done som'ing like that.

436 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:30:20am

Ed I have NEVER bought wonder bread LOL!
Wonder bread is a goy plot.
All about Pesach:
[Link: www.chabad.org...]

437 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:30:59am

I prefer honey wheat myself, although since I've started Atkins again, I'm avoiding all breads.

438 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:31:53am

#405 Golden Jerusalem

He is absolutely adorable (like his daddy, no doubt). And here I thought Texas was the repository for the absolute best lookin' men. How did I overlook Israel (back in the days when I looked at men which I no longer do, of course)?

I shall be spending all day tomorrow with an incredibly good lookin' little man who is cutting teeth and will no doubt cut them on my shoulder (my grandson).

439 Dave Ray  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:13am

OT

Ken Livingstone actually makes sense and almost comes accross as being vaguely normal!

Mr Livingstone, who accompanied Ms King on a visit to the East London mosque in Whitechapel before they had lunch, also criticised Mr Galloway. He said: “I’ve been fighting elections in London for 35 years and this is the first time I’ve had to have a team of police with me.”

He said that although he and Ms King were on opposite sides during the Iraq war debate he was supporting her because she worked “damn hard” for the people of East London.

He said: “You feel that behind all the rhetoric, it’s all about George, it’s always about George.” Mr Livingstone said that if Mr Galloway had wanted to make a stand over the war he should have stood against Tony Blair or Geoff Hoon instead of trying to oust one of Parliament’s few black women.

Whatever next? Livingstone condemns Islamic fundamentalism and apologising for his anti-semitic remarks? Maybe not.

440 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:14am

#428 AI:

Na Zdrowie...

LOL, I forgot you're Polish!

I can say "dobre djin" or something like that. I have a buddy, who's Polish. Good guy, but he's vegetarian, which is the only slightly suspect thing about him.

His wife is Polish too. Boy, does she know to keep house!

441 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:15am

Morning pax. ;-))

442 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:38am

# 433 Peacekeeper

Wonder bread? WHY would anyone, even a Satanist want to eat wonder bread?


I'm wondering about that too.

443 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:42am
444 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:33:12am

nothing like the smell of workin the earth in a good vegetable garden

I miss that terribly. Liked to work between 4 am and 7 - and then nap in a hammock till 10 ;-)

Shalom badjew

445 our gal sal  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:35:17am

Happy San Jacinto Day, fellow Texans.

This seems to be fire ant day - stepped in a big pile out by the faucet this morning. Remember that hilarious Amdro commercial?

"Here's the really good part - EVERYBODY DIES!"

But then, they had to set up the scholarship fund for all the ants they'd offended...

That week Charles did the memos my family barely ate, wore clean clothes or lived in a tidy house - I was glued to the computer. We will see Charles's and the others' names in the techno-history books for a long time.

446 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:35:59am

#438 Swamp Woman:

Yeah, kids, eh? [sigh]

Anyways, ever since I became a dad for the first time, I've noticed weird biological facts.

I'll spare you the details, as it involves hair growth in odd places, but it seems that I'm essentially slowly but surely turning into my old man!

447 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:36:31am

#437 Ed

How is the Atkins going? I started Atkins again; however, the husband knew the carbohydrate withdrawal hell I was going through about the 3rd day and brought home Krispy Kremes. My favorites. If I had willpower, I would not be married.

448 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:36:49am

OK, about ridding the chametz thing.

I just figured it out. You people invented the custom of Spring Cleaning.


Since beer is clearly not kosher, and the stores won't take it back, AG and Dov and any other Houston area Jews can arrange, if they desire, for me to buy back there Miller Lite or Michelob Ultra (I'm watching my figure) at the entirely reasonable price of $2/six pack.

449 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:36:59am

AI
I have to tell ya that Polish cusine is frightening, truly frightening. Two of the nicest guys I knew in Bosnia were Pols but they also had the worst dinners.

450 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:37:51am

#443 AI:

Stay where you are and FARM MUSHROOMS, especially the exotic type...All you need is to obtain some mushroom spores (I think that is the proper terminology)...

i think you left out HORSE SH*T, LOL.

451 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:37:52am

Ed I had you figured as a Pabst drinker.

452 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:38:25am

#379 BabbaZee
I refuse to believe you're old enough to have come up with that film reference.

453 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:38:29am

I only eat whole wheat bread period, except for the occasional garlic bread, white bread will kill you!

454 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:38:30am
455 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:39:10am

#452 American Soldier
Does knowing Torah make me 3,00? LOL! I am 41.

456 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:39:29am

3 THOUSAND

457 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:39:44am

GJ
You will be old when you find yourself going through the house shutting off the lights everybody else left on...

458 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:39:47am

#448 Ed:

LMAO!

Me, I just work my way thru the stash before the onset of the holidays.

It's an ungrateful job, but someone's gotta do it!

459 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:40:42am
460 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:40:43am

#457 PK:

You will be old when you find yourself going through the house shutting off the lights everybody else left on...

O-oooh sh*t! Well, then it's official :>)

461 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:42:12am

They will gossip about you...

This must be my problem - since I dont care what anyone says I am not nearly as good as a Polish Housekeeper ;-) I'm not a slob, but Tony's mom thinks I am...!
Tony's mother is 3/4 German. You can eat from under the refrigerator at that house.
I still dont care.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Damn the obsessively clean and their implements of polish and suction!

462 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:42:36am

443 AI

hey..that's interesting...I never thought about that. I wonder where I could get some info on that? Hell, maybe I could offer a work release to SOME OF THE DAMN REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS THAT THE LOCAL JUDICIARY KEEP TRYING TO PUT IN THE APRTMENTS DOWN THE ROAD!(grrr)...


444 Babbazee

Y'know I've always wanted to learn Hebrew...kinda funny...I think I told y'all that I had a Philly Jew as my roommate for 7 years...It was like the odd couple...love the guy, but he was a mean bastard..never would teach me crap! Maybe a good begginners book for the Bad Jew is in order...
:-)

463 tankdemon  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:43:37am

454 AI
I think that the doors in Poland have locks in case that type of activity is to be engaged.

464 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:43:59am
465 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:44:58am

Well, there was this congealed bacon fat with black pepper on bread. A number of sausages served cold. Vodka with a blade of grass in the bottle that was clearly meant for rockets, not human consumption.
The office "ambience" after a night at the Polish House was special...

466 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:45:21am

Okie, time to jam on outta here.

In the words of Ozzy Osbourne:

I love you all!

Later

467 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:45:59am

#446 Golden Jerusalem

I'll spare you the details, as it involves hair growth in odd places, but it seems that I'm essentially slowly but surely turning into my old man!

Whenever I see my half brothers (very infrequently; about every 10 years or so) I am startled by the changes. They are beginning to look like their uncles did.

Lucky for me, I have been told I look like my dad (now deceased). Since I never saw the ravages of age on him and knew him only by a picture as a young man, I shall continue to be surprised.

468 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:46:32am

#466 Golden Jerusalem
Shalom

469 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:47:15am

#462 paxnhymn
Your roomate sucked!
Get
The Foundation of Judaism
Akiva Aaronson @
[Link: www.feldheim.com...]

On learning Hebrew - I have been trying to teach myself and I'm having a hard time. I am going to take a class somewhere. I have been using software and books for little kids -
[Link: www.jewishsoftware.com...]
A friend and I made a pact yesterday that we would learn Hebrew by this day next year. The pressure! ;-)

470 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:47:24am

Via con Dios GJ!

471 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:47:36am

Bye GJ keep your head down buddy.

472 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:48:07am

Golden J - Later. No pissing on the Alamo.

473 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:48:26am
474 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:49:33am

#453 Nam Grunt

I only eat whole wheat bread period, except for the occasional garlic bread, white bread will kill you!

ROFL! Nam Grunt, you eat fried porkchops! You are probably the only man on this thread that my cooking would not stop their heart within 2 days.

475 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:49:39am

#469 BabbaZee,

Thanks Babba. ;-)

476 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:50:55am
477 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:51:02am

Swamps
We are feeding garlic powder to the horses in their grain. Supposedly it makes them taste bad to the flies. Makes the barn smell like a restaurant.

478 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:51:18am

#469 BabbaZee
Tutoring available for nominal fees- will work for home-cooked kosher meals.

479 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:52:01am

#473 American Infidel

Use a search engine on the net...There are places where you could purchase spores...They actually sell you chunks of wood that have somehow been exposed to various mushroom spores and you can have them growing in a basement...If you have the space...

Yeah, I bought one of those preinoculated pieces of wood once. You have to remember to keep it wet and shady (G). Well, okay, I remembered to keep it dark, shut it away and forgot about it. No mushrooms for me.

480 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:52:17am

464 AI

That sounds great, but...who tests to see if they're edible or not?

++
<
___

481 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:52:52am

#474 SwampWoman,

What's fried pork chops got to do with whole wheat bread, and actually I use whole wheat flower when I coat them, but the ham and eggs and bacon , yeah I see your point. lol!

482 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:53:15am

#478 American Soldier
:-)

483 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:54:26am

#480 paxnhymn,

Send them down to the sex diviants, they are pigs anyway.

484 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:54:34am

#475 'Nam Grunt
Yer welcome!

485 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:55:18am

Spades
Actually I went to Medjugorje with my two Polish buddies. They expected me to sleep in the same bed with them. Very er, casual. I rented my own room instead. Culture clash. They brought a three day supply of congealed fat and sauasge too. I ate alone in restaurants.

486 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:56:31am
487 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:57:03am

#477 Peacekeeper

Swamps
We are feeding garlic powder to the horses in their grain. Supposedly it makes them taste bad to the flies. Makes the barn smell like a restaurant.

Oh, do you use an herbal wormer? I haven't found it to be effective, but it do smell good. It smells good enough to be used as a rub for the carcasses, but it tastes bitter (and he wonders how I know what an herbal wormer tastes like...well, I told you it smelled good!)

488 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:58:15am

Note to Lizards, if you're visiting a Pole and the Vodka with the grass blade in it comes out...run.

489 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:00:35am

AI,

Kabanosy? sounds like my neighbor, as for drinking under the table, the only time you do that is when you have fallen off of your chair. sheeesh do I have to teach you everything. ;-)))

490 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:00:56am

#485 Peacekeeper
Despite its brevity, that is a great road story. LOL

491 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:00:59am

Herbal wormer, no. Good ole Zimecterin.
DMSO is wonderful suff, if you've used it without dosing yourself too.
Have you ever used Fly predators? We're thinking of ordering some.

492 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:01:49am
493 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:03:33am

Just in case anybody was looking for an herbal wormer for their livestock which did not work particularly well for me, but then again, I live in Florida where parasites are strong...

Farmstead Health Supply

494 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:03:46am

American Soldier.
I had a lot of fun road trips. Atkins must work cause those guys lived on sausage and fats and were fighting trim. They could run me into the ground.

495 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:04:40am

#492 American Infidel,

Dang here we go again with the mushrooms...by the by I used to belong to one of those clubs back in 70's. ;-))

496 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:05:13am

#480 Paxn

That sounds great, but...who tests to see if they're edible or not?

AI. If she lives, they were good. If she dies, they weren't. This also means she eats all the mushrooms.

497 grayp  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:05:34am

Good morning. Are we talking Polish food? Yummm! My ex cam from a Polish family. His father taught me to make a dish I can't spell the name of - hlushki? - cabbage, onions, and bow ties (farfelle) braised in butter. It is absolutely delicious - and cheap. And the pierogies the church ladies made? Oh, lord, they were to die for. And AI is right - if you can't eat the sausage cold, don't eat it period. For heaven's sake, haven't you ever done the pepperoni and crackers and cheese thing?

498 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:09:01am

There is a limit to how much sausage, cold or otherwise, one can eat. I think it is three.

499 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:09:10am

#491 Peacekeeper

Have you ever used Fly predators? We're thinking of ordering some

Yes, we have used fly predators without any appreciable effect. The chickens, now, they seem to help considerably on keeping the fly population down.

Do you use the fly traps with water and nasty smellin' stuff as bait? Ick. Effective, though. And fly paper. And fly spray. Used the automatic sprayers, not really that effective when the stalls are open to the outside and insecticide is too diluted to do much more than annoy the flies.

Yep, I think the chickens are most effective.

500 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:09:11am

#494 Peacekeeper
LOL. Lots of people run me into the ground. But I do manage to walk some people into the ground, even with a full load-out.

Lost 40# w/Atkins variant last year. Passed my taping in July, another in Oct., then put on 15#. As of this AM I have to lose about 11# for the next taping & a PT test. NEVER let the MP DET buy breakfast- they always arrive with doughnuts & coffee.

501 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:10:28am

I got a sister in law who goes mushrooming. Gawd. I accidentally ate some once. About as much fun as Russian Roulette...

502 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:11:29am
503 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:12:03am

#500 American Soldier

NEVER let the MP DET buy breakfast- they always arrive with doughnuts & coffee.

Do I know how to pick an MOS or what?

504 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:13:00am
505 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:13:34am

#480 paxnhymn

I do happen to know quite a lot about mushrooms; I used to go picking regularly and I still do it when I can.

506 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:14:24am
507 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:14:52am

Those guys gave me flat feet, after three months I could barely walk anymore. Sigh. That was the last time I got any excercise.
Heh. He talked me into a "two hour walk" one day to see some ruins. Three hours later I was hanging from a fuggin mountainside by my nails, pissin myself, and there he was laughing and saying 'Walk is good for you".
I take it back, I hate Poles.

508 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:15:05am

#504 American Infidel,

When I'm able to walk again I'll look for them and try them just for you. ;-))

509 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:16:11am

Oooh, Toby Keith is singin' "I love this bar" on CMT. I DO love this bar.

510 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:16:45am

#501 Peacekeeper

Why so worried? At least in Italy, the fatal fungi are only 2 or 3 varieties, all quite easily recognizable. Others can wreck your intestine for a few days, tho...

But I can surely pick up the good ones, and they're delicious...

511 paxnhymn  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:17:24am

OKOK NAM

I'll quit with the mushrooms..reminds me of the good ol' days, too! LOL..

If I did this AI it'd be for export. I can imagine the response from Bubba..

"wut the hayul yoo dewin in yer yard boiy? Muushrooms? Wrrr the hell yoo from anyhayow? Hayul naw, I ain't eetin' thayut sheeyut! T'aint raht...tain't Amurrican!

512 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:17:31am

AI
What's the trick? Pour it down your claevage when no one is looking? If it gets into your stomach your all done. It actually makes you see white streaks behind your eyeballs.

513 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:18:08am
514 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:18:18am

#503 SwampWoman
The true test is:
How many minutes away from the nearest Krispy Kreme do you live?

Did you check out the link I posted? (#430) Allegedly from an MP in Iraq.

515 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:19:34am
516 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:21:45am

#507 Peacekeeper

Heh. He talked me into a "two hour walk" one day to see some ruins. Three hours later I was hanging from a fuggin mountainside by my nails, pissin myself, and there he was laughing and saying 'Walk is good for you".
I take it back, I hate Poles.

Sounds like a date husband and I were out on. (Well, he called me up and asked me what I was planning on doing Saturday, and said it sounded like fun. How was I supposed to know that he was scared of rock climbin'?)

517 grayp  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:23:38am

#513 AI

Chicagoland has the best variety, since we have the most Polish peeps after Warsaw in the world...


Tell me about it. The last time I checked there were something like 10 pages in the city phone book with nothing but listings of people with my ex's surname.

518 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:24:17am
519 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:25:04am

#513 American Infidel

Chicagoland has the best variety, since we have the most Polish peeps after Warsaw in the world...

Yep, husband said that if he were ever forced to live in a city, it would be Chicago. We used to visit some Polish friends up there; he fell in love with the pieroges (if I'm spelling that right).

520 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:26:51am
521 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:21am
522 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:57am

#514 American Soldier

Did you check out the link I posted? (#430) Allegedly from an MP in Iraq.

No, I didn't! I thought it was another bullshit MSM story and decided not to raise my blood pressure. That was great! Thanks for grabbing me and making me take a look.

523 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:32:01am

#514 American Soldier

How many minutes away from the nearest Krispy Kreme do you live?

Not a fair question. ALL the convenience stores carry them, so I would never be further than 5 minutes away from a Krispy Kreme fix.

I am back on Atkins today, however. We will see how long I can hold out this time.

524 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:32:27am

#522 SwampWoman
Yr welcome. Glad to be of service, Ma'am.

525 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:35:58am

#524 American Soldier

Yr welcome. Glad to be of service, Ma'am.

You're beginnin' to sound like a son of the south. Have you been hangin' out with us rednecks too long?

526 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:37:29am

#523 SwampWoman
LOL. Ref. #500, above.

527 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:42:08am

Soldier you deadpanned too much on 430. I just now looked. Funny!

528 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:42:55am

Well, time for me to start work! See y'all later when the active threads become dead yet again.

529 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:43:02am

#525 SwampWoman
Ref. an earlier thread- Jewish redneck from IN- armed, ugly, and reasonably well-versed in Torah.

530 Peacekeeper  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:44:01am

Swamps
I've been done south a couple of times but the only people I met were other Yankees. They (transplants) must be as popular as the plague.

531 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:44:32am

OT:


Press Association
Thu 21 Apr 2005
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4:10pm (UK)
Vietnam Veteran Spits in Jane Fonda's Face

By Victoria Ward, PA, in New York

A Vietnam veteran has been arrested in the United States for spitting tobacco juice in Jane Fonda’s face.

Michael Smith, 54, queued for 90 minutes at a Kansas book signing before launching his attack on the 67-year-old actress.

He spat a “large amount” of liquid in her face and then ran away, but was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, police said.

Fonda was signing copies of her new memoir, My Life So Far, which describes her notorious 1972 visit to Hanoi where she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft tank.

She has since apologised for the incident, which earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane, and has described it as a “two-minute lapse of sanity”.

Smith told the Kansas City Star newspaper that Fonda was a “traitor” who had spat in the faces of war veterans for 37 years.

“I consider it a debt of honour,” he said. “There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did.”

Fonda later issued a statement saying: “In spite of the incident, my experience in Kansas City was wonderful and I thank all the warm and supportive people, including so many veterans, who came to welcome me.”

Smith was released on bail and is due in court on May 27.

532 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:45:23am

#529 American Soldier

Well, the armed and ugly has always been my kinda man, but I dunno about havin' pigs as a protected species...

533 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:46:29am

Why couldn't he just use a urinal target like the rest of us?

Bye, SW

534 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:48:27am

#530 Peacekeeper

I've been done south a couple of times but the only people I met were other Yankees. They (transplants) must be as popular as the plague.

Well, maybe a little less popular. For some reason, transplanted yankees immediately have to inform us how much better culturally and socially their prior abode was, how much better the restaurants are up north, etc. Whenever I was doing a bid for a yankee, I added a huge amount because (a) I didn't want the job, and (b) If I got the job, I would have to listen to constant nagging. (What is it about y'all Yankees and nagging?)

535 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:50:30am

#531 American Soldier

Fonda later issued a statement saying: “In spite of the incident, my experience in Kansas City was wonderful and I thank all the warm and supportive people, including so many veterans, who came to welcome me.”

Veterans welcomed her? That does it, I'm takin' Kansas City off my list of vacation destinations. Okay, maybe KC was never on my list of Vacation Destinations, but still...

536 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 10:47:48am
537 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:55:55pm

#536 taxfreekiller

WTF are you on about, mister?

538 rightasrain  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 2:59:49pm

#537 BabbaZee

As near as I can figure, taxfreekiller is into some form of Haiku whose rules have not yet been revealed.

Let him/her wash over you like art. I guess. :)

It's what I'm trying to do, anyway. :-)

539 rayra[deleted]  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 9:26:15pm

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