Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1939

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Well, they have cut off the Jews but at least they can relish their new found relationship with the Islamofascists moving in.

Is there not some legal action that can be taken against this council, or do hate crimes not apply to Jews in the UK?

To state the obvious...

I don't see how anyone could inturpit this as anything other then outright Jew-hatred.

Often the lefties can be somewhat well meaning, just ignorant (like save the spotted owl).

Doing this to a university that has no ties (that I know of) to the governments actions...

Where is Bigel?

I truly wish that if they are going to boycott Israel, that they do it properly.

Bigel was banned

"Honey we're having the Palis over for dinner, hide the good silver..."

Pttth. I mock thee. They've been trying to kill us for over 3,000 years. Talk about cognitive dissonance!

I'm standin' heya! (to be heard in Rocky Balboa's voice)

Any Brits here? How influential is this really going to be.

The truth is that the AUT is not particularly representative, that aforementioned librarians and computer technicians often play more of a role than academics, that poor attendance at union meetings means that single-issue activists find it easy to push through resolutions on political topics, etc. Will anyone pay any attention to the boycott? A few, perhaps. But most British academics will continue to work with Israeli academics as before.

Chris at crookedtimber

This is a very ugly thing they've done but it's not clear to me how effective it will be, so any insight will be appreciated.

You can email AUT's press contact David Nicholson at press@aut.org.uk . But remember to remain polite.

Now we have a title!
RT
Hamas playing tricks?

Orwell probably isn't happy to have been proven so right today.

A useful reminder on the eve of Passover that Jew hatred didn't die with Hitler.
[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

Well at least they haven't banned Joos from Hogwarts'.

You hit the nail on the head, Charles. British academia is disgusting.

#14 Skippy
He's been dead forever. He knew he was right, it killed him!

One day they'll get their come uppance in Academic Britland...

The Good News

I have checked into to LGF for a couple of years now for a daily reality check, the true bad news about bad people ...

And I generally check the Mil Blogs for the GOOD news in addition to listening to a guy who's been dead 17 years but I still love to listen to his west Texas Drawl on tape ... [Link: www.ttb.org...]

Here's an uplifting story for the day.

BANGOR, Maine — Tired and bleary-eyed, Marines of the 1st Battalion, 7th Regiment, based at Twentynine Palms, Calif., were finally back on U.S. soil after seven months on the front lines in Iraq.

But they were still many miles and hours from their families and the homecoming they longed for. Their officers told them they would be on the ground for 60 to 90 minutes while their chartered plane was refueled.

So they disembarked and began walking through the airport terminal corridor to a small waiting room.

That's when they heard the applause.

Lining the hall and clapping were dozens of Bangor residents who have set a daunting task for themselves: They want every Marine, soldier, sailor and airman returning through the tiny international airport here to get a hero's welcome.

Even if the planes arrive in the middle of the night or a blizzard, they are there.

Composed mostly from the generation that served in World War II and Korea, they call themselves the Maine Troop Greeters. They have met every flight bringing troops home from Iraq for nearly two years — more than 1,000 flights and nearly 200,000 troops...

Read the whole thing
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not all the stories in the L.A. Times are bad... just when the editorial pages bleeds into the news.
Via Blackfive

#1 BabbaZee

The British media (BBC, Reuters, Independent, Economist, Daily Mirror, Scotsman, Guardian, New Statesmen, Economist, etc.), academics, actors, and chattering classes are so reflexively anti Israel that they cannot think straight. They probably in their own minds feel as if they are fair and balanced. You can ad to that George Galloway, Phil Reeves, Robert Fisk, John Pilger, Tom Dalyell, Harold Pinter, Jenny Tonge, Red Ken Livingstone, Mike O'Brien , Tom Paulin, John le Carre, Simon Jenkins, A.N. Wilson, Alan Rickman, Gerald Kaufman, Vanessa Redgrave, Suzanne Goldberger, Orla Guerin, Barbara Plett, Mona Baker, Andrew Willkie, Max Hastings - – and you have in my opinion, Berlin 1935.

Against these lunatics all I can think of are: Melanie Phillips, Barbara Amiel, Stephen Pollard, Julie Burchill, Michael Gove, John Rhys-Davies, and Frederick Forsyth.

OT - - -for those of you who wish to see the disgusting video that the pathetic media in this country won't show, as they don't want people to see the animals we are dealing with...the link is

this video

this site has all the vile, disgusting videos our media is too "shy" to show.

Well, if you really want to stir the pot, how about campaigning for a US tourist boycott of the UK?

THAT would cause the Brits to face up to the problem (especially with the summer season coming along. )

Just the THREAT of that, with a few nicely placed photos of protestors in front of BOAC or a British tourist office,
might set hearts aflutter across the pond. . .

I hope that the Israeli Technion comes up witha cure for cancer and refuses to share it with the United Kingdom.

Where the fuck is Tony Blair, where the fuck is Prince Charles, where the fuck is Queen Elizabeth?

#20 Joel
...and all of us..
Ziesen Pesach!

24 BabbaZee

Happy Passover. Let us turn our backs on the new Pharaohs (most of whom come from the Mother COutnry).

#23 Joel

Where the fuck is Tony Blair, where the fuck is Prince Charles, where the fuck is Queen Elizabeth?

All giving a viruently anti-Israel BBC reporter an award

You might want to send them a piece of your mind:

AUT General Secretary Sally Hunt: sally.hunt@aut.org.uk

AUT President, Angela Roger: president@aut.org.uk

Harry's Place has more on this.

Something to cheer us all up!

I agree with you, Charles. This action is straight out racist.

LLL = 'You are conflating the Jews and Israel.'

Wrong. Of all the sh*thole institutions throughout the world from China to Sudan to Iran (states with one child policies, genocide advocacy, open callings for the death of races, misogyny, etc...) this British AUT has picked out a Jewish center of learning within a democratic, responsible, free state. The Arab states (+ Iran) and the Palestinians are calling for the destruction of Israel and the death of the Jews, and this AUT is demonizing the Jewish state of Israel! Reading that gave me a viceral, nauseous feeling.

Charles: Thanks for the Hat tip!

what is AUT spelled out? I cked the website but no clue there.

Passover, that's right, a lovely twist (of the knife) for you Hebrews. They couldn't even wait a week.

My letter ot this Nicholosn fellow was:

Congratualtions! You have returned to 1933. Hopefully one day when Israeli universities such as the Technion at Rehovot come up with various cancer cures, they will not share them with the United Kingdom.

#25 Joel
Selah!

Yehee She'amdah…

Happy Pesach to all.

#20 Joel

I don't read The Scotsman often, but to me it seems much more blanced that The Guardian for example.

Zenbone back at ya

#34 Joel
Being Jews, you realize we will never withold life saving tech from anyone, dont you?

BabbaZee

Can you explain Y'hee she'amdah from the Hagaddah to everyone?

I have to get going now.

Warmest Regards.

37 FabioC.

The Scotsman is pretty bad. It might not be teh Guardian but ourside of al-Ahram, what is worse then the Guardian?

More good news

a sad, sad day for British academia

Someone at Harry's place commented that it is not for Israel we should weep but for Britain.

39 BabbaZee

Yeah I know but it gave me a visceral feeling to write it. We are so dumb that we would save our mortal enemies the Palestinians. Let the Britishuniversities cooperate with the Palestinian universities where they can learn the finer arts of picking through camel dung looking for swallowed treasures.

Yeah, guess they'll just have to support all those fine universities in saudi arabia and the like.

43 jonny

Quite true. Isreal won't suffer at all but Britain will suffer academically, scientifically, culturally, and morally.

#44 Joel
It's not stupidity, it's in the contract.
[sighs heavily and looks pensive & burdened]
;-)

The sun has long since set on the British Empire and the academic institutions that produced the leadership that ran it. Perhaps they should consider modifying their curriclum so as to properly accomodate they creeping dhimmification. Or is this the first step?

I wonder if Prime Minister Tony Blair's Honorium from HaTechnion was the tipping point for British academia?

Probably not, just an excuse for their intellectual pogrom.

Let me try to get this straight: they won't avail themselves of scholarly works from Israeli universities, they won't invite Israeli scholars to debates and forums that empower anti-Semitic hecklers. What happens when they publish something? Is it going to read "For everyone except Israeli professors?"

What is the bottom line on this? Is it that they're simply closing the doors to academic research? Do the Israeli institutions derive any benefit from this group that their collective punishment against Israeli universities would matter? Has the interchange of intellectual ideas between Israeli and British academies been so large and strong that this action will have a severe impact?

In other words, who cares? They're doing it just to make a point? I just don't understand why this group of simple-minded anti-Semites matters more than others. What is the importance of the AUT in the larger academic world?

#40 zenbone 4/22/2005 08:53AM PDT
BabbaZee
Can you explain Y'hee she'amdah from the Hagaddah to everyone?

[Link: www.koltorah.org...]

Bye Zen ~ miss ya
In the words of my grandma:
Wassamatta I dont hear from you?

LOL!

Unbelieveable. I'm speechless.

The Nuremberg Laws come to Britain!

"Following the Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass") pogrom of November 9-10, 1938, Nazi leaders enforced measures that succeeded increasingly in physically isolating and segregating Jews from their fellow Germans. Jews were barred from all public schools and universities, as well as from cinemas, theaters, and sports facilities. In many cities, Jews were forbidden to enter designated "Aryan" zones. Nazi decrees and ordinances expanded the ban on Jews in professional life."

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

Similar legislation was enacted in Europe in the 1930s in many European countries, including Hungary, Poland (At the Polish universities, Jewish enrollment was restricted and Jews had to sit in a segregated area of the classroom. The restrictions were so inclusive that while in 1921 Jews made up 24.6% of the Polish student population by 1938 their share was down to only 8%. There was physical violence as well. Right-wing students assaulted their Jewish associates with canes and razors) and Lithuania.

It is not for Israel you should weep today but for Britain.

53 Pooh

In 1940 the Vichy French enacted similar legislation called the Statut des Juifs.

#8 Babba Zee

Bigel was banned? That's bollocks. One need not have agreed with his all-too-repetitive posts, but for newbies to LGF, his was the voice of pure, unalloyed Jewish self-preservation. At any cost. You didn't agree with his positions?- then skip over his post(s).

(Sorry, I don't mean for this to turn into a pro- v. contra-bigel thread).

Back on topic:

And bigel's opinions are wrong, how? #44 Joel has identified the level of academic capability the dhimmified Brit academy are going to be dealing with in the absence of Israeli scholarship.

Chill out and consider the facts before blabbering about racial separation laws etc, folks.

55 Earl
It wasnt for specifically his views, although it contributed I'm sure. It was because he boasted of inciting some bullshit just to get the reaction - fucking with people for your own amusement was not acceptable to Charles

#55 Earl

Bigel was banned for breaking a personal promise to Charles.

17

NEWSFLASH ! GORDON ACTUALLY "AGREED" WITH CHARLES! FILM AT 11...

(I think I'm gettin' the vapors, dahlin'...ahh feel faint...)

Pathetic, really just sad, but mainly just pathetic. Boycotts are voluntary, bans would mean more, but this is just lame. Shame on them for focusing on Jewish Colleges, but I'm sure they have other liberal agenda they have ready to pass on to the 'little people.'

But do you think that any free thinker would ever take into consideration what these people have to say without the grain of salt? No way! Only people with like-minded ideals would even care, and to that end its just patting themselves on the back.

Let them do their own thing, God will judge them all the more harshly.

OT

Colin Powell sticks knife in Bolton's back, twists.

Powell spoke in recent days with Sens. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.) and Chuck Hagel (Neb.), two of three GOP senators on the Foreign Relations Committee who have raised concerns about Bolton's confirmation, the sources said. Powell did not advise the senators to oppose Bolton, but offered a frank assessment of the nominee as a man who was challenging to work with on personnel and policy matters, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

Before this thread degenerates into the usual "European=Antisemite" bigel™ type of thing please read Anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. hit 9-year high and remember all those recent threads about CAIR, Ward Churchill and antisemitism in US academia.

Antisemitism has been globalized, nowhere is immune.

45 Teacake! 4/22/2005 08:56AM PDT
Yeah, guess they'll just have to support all those fine universities in saudi arabia and the like.

.. with their massive quantity of peer reviewed published research papers

British Academia.
An Oxford-moron.

Please. This is not Nuremberg nor Statut des Juifs. Those were laws passed by governments. Heidegger, tho, yes, that is an analogy I would agree with.

#46 Joel

A rise in anti-semitism will also lead to a rise in xenaphobia. The biggest benefactors of such a move will be the British Nationalist Party.

#54 Joel

"In 1940 the Vichy French enacted similar legislation called the Statut des Juifs."

Yes, but the anti-Semitic legislation of those European countries I mentioned above was inspired purely out of native anti-Semitism without any help and encouragement from the German and Austrian Nazis. Thus it is with Britain today.

Yet more British anti-Semitism...

Running the campus gauntlet by Melanie Phillips

[Extract]

After the silliness of the dance and drama, the debate began. This was conducted with the chair of the university branch of Amnesty International bellowing through a P.A. system, loaned by the university, at all presen. When my friends raised their objections to the evening and their support of the [security] wall they were denounced as "Zionist scum" and subjected to a barrage of anti-Semitic abuse by the girl with the P.A. system.

'This racist, anti-Semitic individual is now the President of our Guild of Students. She is paid a salary of some £15,000 for the next academic year, and she "guides the policy of the Guild". We have recently had a mysterious cancellation of an evening lecture given by an Israeli diplomat after protests, which were described by the university authorities as "healthy discussion" and "political engagement"; it seems more like suppression and stifling of debate. A second talk to have been given recently by an Israeli academic was hurriedly rearranged to be held at Lampeter University, which is even more remote than Aberystwyth, but much smaller and less politicised.

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

On a lighter note...

Army recruiter fights antiwar demonstration with music
Associated Press
April 22, 2005 ARMYMUSIC0423
MANKATO, Minn. -— An army sergeant's response to a weekly antiwar protest in Mankato has hit a nerve with some demonstrators.
First Sgt. John Szewczyk decided two weeks ago to blast patriotic music during the noontime protest outside his recruiting office.
Some protesters don't like the music from a CD called, "God Bless the USA — Kids Sing Songs for America.'' Protester Doris Berger called it infantile.
But other protesters say they're not bothered by the music. Protester Lynn Kidder says she actually likes it.
Szewczyk said the protesters are entitled to their opinions, but says he doesn't think U.S. citizens should show they're divided during wartime because it makes the United States look weak.
———
Information from: The Free Press, [Link: www.mankatofreepress.com...]

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

#1:

should be "1938"

see #53

@55 earl

That is not why bigel was banned.

It's just envy.

There's a terrible envy of all that the Jews have done in Israel, and there is a tremendous desire to find ways to just make all the cognitive dissonance disappear - like Steve Martin in _Sgt. Bilko_ "Make the bad people go away!"

It's also Jew-hatred. I don't know if it's genetic or cultural in Britain, but there's long been a history of Arabophilia and Anti-Semitism in the ruling class.

And in Britain, the ruling class really sets the class.

#63 lilith

There is only a couple of research centers worth this name all around the Persian Gulf, and they research on oil.

Wisdom comes from knowledge and experience.

So why do so few academics have wisdom?

Because knowledge and experience are overridden moment to moment by belief.

It is a wise man who, if he cannot make things better, doesn't make things worse.

Of all the sh*thole institutions throughout the world from China to Sudan to Iran (states with one child policies, genocide advocacy, open callings for the death of races, misogyny, etc...) this British AUT has picked out a Jewish center of learning within a democratic, responsible, free state.

Which is why I am also 100% convinced that those in the west who attack Israel, and only Israel (well along with America), are Jew haters.

Why else would a democracy with many civil rights be singled out over all of the truely evil countries that exist?

Well they say Israel is "colonialists" and "racists", lets see what the pali's brought for passover, at the "colonial" and "racists" checkpoints (how can a checkpoint be those things?... because).

Palestinian teen caught smuggling pipe bombs

Bullets found in videotape at Hawara checkpoint

And hey while they were at it

suspects from the stage terror attack "escaped"

But all of this can be disregarded because of this statement

PA Chairman Abbas: Happy Pessah to all Israelis

Isn't that sweet! He took off time from hiding under his desk and taking aid money to wish a happy holidays.

Of course non of this matters to the AUT, and it can be forgiven because abbas said sorry and have a happy holiday.

Time to un-ban bigel.

#62 Paco

From your link

it cited anti-Jewish catcalls at a school basketball match in New York,

I remember a NYT story on that one. Then there was a follow-up a couple days later that seemed to cast doubts that whatever happened was anti-semitic. I never did figure it out.

#73 foobius
IMO it is the theoretical syndrome.
Everything is theoretical to them, nothing is experiential. That plus 2/5ths cognitive dissonance.

#71 steve miller

It's also Jew-hatred. I don't know if it's genetic or cultural in Britain

Watch your step, dude. I'll begin considering talking about genetic Jew-hatred the day you'll bring in a hell of a lot of scientific proof.

The British...all of them...should be ashamed, embarrassed, and appalled at the Jew hatred exhibited and perpetrated in their name.

I will never spend another dollar for any British made product again ever again and I urge all people of good will who do not support antisemitism to boycott all British products now and in the future.

There goes the LLL, goosestepping over the edge of reality into the bottomless pit of madness, just like their idol, Ol' Schickelgruber.

There is no fathomable curse too harsh for the LLL. May all the pain and chaos they cause rain down on them a thousand fold.

Joel T.

This is all empty leftist posturing. I wouldn't think it would make the slightest difference in practice, particularly in the sciences and in medicine. Maybe in the soft-option disciplines, but, hell, what goes on there is not real research.

In my laboratory in the UK I'm still going to use a neat specific serological test against certain chronic bacterial infections - it was developed in Israel, and is made in Israel, and it works beautifully.

Would it ever have been developed in any other country in that region?
(Listens to the desert wind moaning over the shifting sands.)

This reminds me that one of the places where the Nazis were first popular in Germany before Hitler's rise to power was in the universities.

It's Ve-hee she-amda le-avoteinu ve-lanu... "she that stood (up) for our forefathers and for us", referring to the Torah I believe.

53/67

While visiting the Holocaust museum in Wash DC, I noted an list of the laws passed by Nazi Germany.

They were listed in chronological order, each being more restrictive then the previous.

This reminds me of one of the earlier ones (say 1935).

What a friggin' disgrace.

No doubt, the Jew killing bastards at Al-Najah University in Nablus will be welcomed with open arms by the Jew-hating pin-heads at the AUT.

#71 steve miller 4/22/2005 09:12AM PDT
It's just envy.

As an Israeli relative once said tom... about the whole problem of antisemitism..."it's the jahlous"

FabioC - I'm sorry. I overstated. I just cannot understand WHY it is that there is Jew-hatred that seems to continually linger in educated people.

I was sloppy in my language.

sorry pimf

As an Israeli relative once said to me... about the whole problem of antisemitism..."it's the jahlous"

#80 MJ

Why all the Brits should be ashamed for the vile idiocy of a few thousands of spoiled lefty academics?

Using this same gauge, I should boycott the USA because of Ward Churchill & co.

67 Pooh

The Vichy French needed no encourgement form the Nazis.l The reactionaries in France had a long history of anti Semtiism. Vichy's Jewish laws were stricter then the Germans. Read "Vichy France and the Jews."

Funny that of all the universities in Israel, they chose to boycoot the Haifa uni- one with the highest number of Arab students. All because someone had stepped on the pseudo-scientist Ilan Pape's precious toes.

British academia? I think it could be a very good idea ;)

I wish Bigel would get one more chance. He can post his extra angry anti-European stuff at Discarded Lies, and I suspect if given one more chance he'd be a little nicer to our European visitors.

OT

Dry air aloft starting to overspread warm sector in Kentucky and Tennessee.

The clouds are breaking up in Henderson, KY, which should allow the sun to start warming things up there.

Anyway, Iron Fist is in a MODERATE RISK area for tornadoes, hail and damaging winds.

After the storm passes, parts of Michigan, maybe even northern Ohio get a few centimeters of slush, followed by a hard freeze Sunday morning.

Oh yes, I have to make one very important point about this boycott.

Specifically the one of Haifa University. Haifa University has one if not the largests arab student population in Israel. So even if the boycott does damage, the AUT will be harming the people they are in essence helping.

#88 steve miller

OK. I think that a scapegoat, and a bad guy onto which project all the bad are an easier way to go for some people.
Add to this the fact that Jews generally do not go around beheading those who offend them...

Aw, off for a beer, my head is pounding...

#65 grayp 4/22/2005 09:10AM PDT

"Please. This is not Nuremberg nor Statut des Juifs. Those were laws passed by governments."

And while Her Majesty's Government stands by as anti-Semitism soars (the UK was the only country in 2004 where anti-Semitism not just rose but rose significantly), the deligitimization of Israel runs rampant, verbal and physical attacks on Jews are widespread, and boycotts like this are organized, then it is just as guilty as any one of those pre-war European governments I mentioned.

Stand by did I say? It's been doing a lot more than that given the torrent of anti-Semitism that has been pouring forth from the lips of Labour MPs and the anti-Semitic campaign that the government has been running until very recently.

The 'oldest hatred' thrives in Britain

By MELANIE PHILLIPS

[Extracts]

"There is a firestorm of anti-Jewish, anti-Israel and anti-American hatred in the wider population. On BBC panel shows, overwhelmingly conservative audiences cheer the view that America is the fount of world terror, that George W. Bush is more of a danger to the world than Saddam Hussein ever was, and that if any country is a menace to world peace through its weapons of mass destruction it is Israel."

"Jewish students are running a gauntlet of left-wing and Muslim hatred on campus, causing three Jewish officers of the National Union of Students to resign in protest at its indifference. Even now, the university teachers' union is debating a boycott of Israeli academics who fail to denounce Israel's policies. Jews are prominent in this hate-fest, too. Indeed, the media now like to use the good Jew/bad Jew device in public discussion, in which the "good" Jew dumps on Israel while the "bad" Jew defends it – thus additionally exposing the bad Jew to the charge of "dual loyalty" since the allegiance of Jews to Britain appears to have been made conditional upon their denouncing Israel"

"I was discussing this with a commentator on the Left, someone with a reputation for an open-minded approach. "You've got this entirely wrong," he told me. "There is no upsurge of anti-Semitism among the public. What you have to understand is that we are just so relieved that we don't have to worry about the Jews any more. Ever since the war we were told that because of their suffering the Jews were above criticism. But now that's no longer the case."

In other words, the perception of Israel's misdeeds means that all the old prejudices that were kept under wraps can now be unleashed once again, and it is now open season on the Jews."

"More generally, far from expressing horror and outrage at the rampant medieval and Nazi tropes of Jew-hatred pouring out of Arab and Muslim countries, the British media seem to agree that there is indeed a world Jewish conspiracy linking the Jews of America, Israel and the war in Iraq.

In The Times, its premier columnist Simon Jenkins wrote in support of the argument that: " a small group of neo-conservatives contrived to take the greatest nation on Earth to war and kill thousands of people"; that they were "traitors to the American conservative tradition" who achieved a "seizure of Washington (and London) after 9/11" and that their "first commitment was to the defence of Israel." So according to Jenkins, the Jews possess extraordinary and sinister power which they exercise in a covert way to advance their own interests and harm the rest of mankind.

People say openly it would have been better had Israel never been created"

"The "oldest hatred" has mutated from a desire to rid the world of the Jews into a desire to rid the world of the Jewish state."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Does the university receive government funds? And what funds does it receives from sources like Saudi Arabia, other islamocysts. The names involved in this operation should be made public and available on the internet. Some accounting needs to be done here.

And now, a one month shiva away from LGF in memory of bigel.

British antisemitism?

Why is this night different from all other nights?

There has recently been an excellent article in a British newspaper that has been posted in various blogs (sorry - don't have the link) about this issue. The author has pointed out all of the superb reaearch coming out of Israeli universities. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Israeli universities told the AUT council to piss off and refuse to cooperate.

Fabio - I come from a mix of European nationalities, so I don't want to state something foolish like it's literally true that it's genetic - it's hyperbole, and you called me on it.

Feh.

I think it's jealousy of the achievements of the Jews throughout the centuries in spite of the Jew-hatred. Like "How come they just won't stay down?"

But it's bizarre for whatever reason. These are people that likely are kind to animals and return lost items to the front desk rather than put them in their pockets. But when the Jews come up - it's time for different standards. I imagine (loose word there) that this even applies to the way Israel is held to standards that no other country must observe.

66 Jonny

The BNP cannot be much worse then the current Labour/Middle England Tory/Islamic alliance which has made the UK every bit as bad as France in the anti Semitism department. If Dr. Johnson is attributed to have said that 'all that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing,' again I ask where are the good people of the UK (outside of RC neo Jew)? Where is Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Prince Andrew, whomever the fuck is the Foreign Secretary?, where is Queen Elizabeth and her useless husband Prince Phillip? Where is Michael Howard? And a big where is the pathetic Board of Deputies of British Jewry (probably selling off more former East End Synagogues to Muslims to be rebuild as Mosques)?

God I am pissed off today!

Once again Jews are made the scapegoat all over Europe, this time for the monumental disastrous policies of the baby boomer generation.

Instead of facing up to the true nature of the murderous cult of islam, Europeans are encouraged to believe in the fiction that if only Israel would just disappear, muslims the world over would suddenly become all peaceful and Zen Buddhist like, openly embracing democracy and tolerance.

All the wars, rebellions and insurrections in Sudan, Kashmir, Chechnya, Southern Thailand, the Philippines, Nigeria, Kosovo….all would stop tomorrow if only the Jews in Israel would just die. That is what the foreign policy in most of the European capitals now amounts to.

And all brought to you by the very people who thought the mass migration of muslims into Europe would be a terrific idea.

Oops - typo.

"superb research"

I am off to lunch. I think I need a good beer.

I agree with Fabio C.

We need to do more research on this group. See how influential they are, how big and if they can't be refuted.

It's bad enough the jew hatred going on, let's not include those who are innocent!
And I am not boycotting british products!

/after all I am half brit myself.

#98 mika.

Does the university receive government funds?

Its not a university calling for a bocott - its the Association of University Teachers.

Once there was a rabbi getting awarded a KBE by the Queen. The rabbi was told what to say and how to act before hand. But when he met the Queen, he forgot everything, fumbled his words and fell over.

The Queen turned to one of her aids and said "why is this Knight different from all other Knights?".

#108 - OMGosh that's funny.

Pooh. I agree that silence from gov't institutions on this issue could be argued as moral complicity - but no more. Now, you lost me with this

the anti-Semitic campaign that the government has been running until very recently.

Tell me more, I'm listening.

We are screaming for vengeance
The world is a manacled place!
Screaming, screaming for vengeance
The world is defiled in disgrace!
~Judas Priest

OT for gymnast:

REV. AL LOSING HIS FIZZ

This was all promoted heavily by that radical left and extremely elitist family of the British theatre, the Redgraves, may they all rot in Hades!

The irony is that the UK rags ( ie: tabloid papers ) have been running with lead photos and captions about the "Nazi Pope" since Benedict XVI was elected

Wanna bet they run NOTHING similar about the AUT - an actual naziesque British group?

To Those Who Want to Boycott Israel - A Little Perspective

&

The monstrous regiment of university teachers

Babba,

Are you still listening to Priest? LOL!

#102 Joel

I think Tony Blair criticised it the first time they tried to pass it when it was defeated by a 2-1 vote.

I once read an article in "the daily times of Pakistan", written by a Pakistani doctor in England(?). His point was that Islamic anti-semitism was driving forward other kinds of xenaphobia. Basically, people who are impressed by this kind of hatred are not going to be too concerned about the civil rights of Muslims. He finished by saying that if his civil rights were ever threatened, the first people he would seek help from were his jewish friends.

well, since your hate mail writer yesterday says that Arabs and Jews are Semites

the Brits oughtta be fair and ban contact with the rest of the "Semite" world, the Arabs

it's only fair, you know

/sincerity switch back to on

There used to be a whole passel of brits that posted at Lgf. What has happened to them? Like Ginger, and JohninLondon.
Even colt has just about stopped posting here. :(

Ever since the departure of the colonials, the United States, due to its power and principled support for democratic Israel, has served a Middle Eastern psychological need to account for its own self-created impotence and misery, a pathology abetted by our own past realpolitik and nurtured by the very autocrats that we sought to accommodate.

After all these years, do not expect praise or gratitude for billions poured into Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, or Palestine or thanks for the liberation of Kuwait, protection of Saudi Arabia in 1990, or the removal of Saddam — much less for American concern for Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Somalia, the Sudan, or Afghanistan. Our past sins always must be magnified as much as our more recent benefactions are slighted.

In response, American policy should be predicated not on friendship or the desire for appreciation, but on what is in our national interest and what is right — whose symbiosis is possible only through the current policy of consistently promoting democracy. Constitutional government is not utopia — only the proper antidote for the sickness in the Middle East, and the one medicine that hateful jihadists, dictators, kings, terrorists, and theocrats all agree that they alike hate.

Victor Davis Hanson -- Winning the War,
But don't forget the rules of the strange conflict!

Read the whole thing

#108 Jonny

Boy, you sure do a great job butchering a good joke. ;-)

A Passover Joke

(See comment #177 on that thread. I'm link-impaired.)

Sally Hunt:

sally.hunt@aut.org.uk

AUT President, Angela Roger:

president@aut.org.uk

Charles - I think it is enough just to say in your first line "The Jew-haters who run Britian's AUT..." and leave out the word bastard;, it detracts from the message by giving some people an item to point a finger at, and ignore the real message.

Look at the bright side:

A week ago I was at a gibush (2 day testing period) for IDF paratroopers (I passed :-). There was a guy there from London -- tough as hell, will definitely make it into the paratroopers and will be an excellent soldier. He dropped out of university to come to Israel and his family will be coming after him because, in his own words, they realized that as Jews their place was in Israel. He's not religious and can hardly speak Hebrew but nevertheless left everything behind to come to this "shitty little country" and serve in the IDF. I'm sure that the intifada and anti-semitism played a part in his decision to come to Israel, as it did in mine.

This is just further proof that Herzl was right. Jews need to leave Europe before it's too late.

OT

Ralph Peters on the reality in Iraq.

The direct result of the pre-election terror campaign was that over 8 million Iraqis defiantly went to the polls. Even as Western "experts" warned that an election could never succeed under such conditions, Iraqis refused to be intimidated. The terrorists ran up the voter tallies more effectively than any old-school ward boss could have done.

Heh.

OT: Thailand: Report on Muslim Deaths May Cause Unrest (Bangkok Post)

He would release as much as he could, but some sections would be left out since they may affect ongoing court cases, inflame religious and racial conflicts or have an adverse impact on people who gave accounts of what happened.

Cross-Dressing Terrorists (Arab News)

Heavy security reinforcements were sent to the area and a helicopter hovered overhead amid an exchange of gunfire, witnesses said.

In 2020, Only 4% of Inhabitants Will Be UAE Nationals (Khaleej Times)

That 'Nazi' Pope must be the best thing since sliced bread or they wouldn't be screaming so loud!

He hasn't given his first mass yet, let alone made any public utterances or made any decrees, so the long knives are out for a reason and the only thing that makes the left react this way is FEAR! The left, driven by 'Arabist interests' (radical Islam) and George Soros, are doing everything they can to forestall what they know is coming...that Benedict XVI is going to CALL ISLAM OUT AND EXPOSE IT TO THE CLEANSING LIGHT OF SCRUTINY FOR THE TRUTH WITH HIS PRONOUNCEMENTS and if they can discredit him before that happens they will forestall the world revelations we all know but won't speak about that are to come!

OT, sorta-

Daniel Pipes spoke at RIT recently [transcript, video]
A quote from the q & a:

moonbat: YEAH, I HAVE TO SAY I FIND YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM OR ISLAMISM TOTALLY UNCONVINCING IN THE SENSE THAT I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT OR WHAT'S YOU HAVE DRAWN OUT TO BE THAT AND THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM THAT MOTIVATES GEORGE W. BUSH OR THE JEWISH FUNDAMENTALISM-- (Applause) THAT MOTIVATES THE JEWISH SUPREMACISTS IN THE GAZA STRIP SETTLEMENTS WHO ARE BEING KICKED OUT AND WHOSE CASE YOU HAVE TAKEN UP ON YOUR WEB SITE AS WELL. I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE AND IF YOU A TALK ABOUT STATE SUPPORT FOR FUNDAMENTALISM, YOU BETTER LOOK AT ISRAEL BECAUSE THE STATES YOU HAVE MENTIONED ARE BEING CHALLENGED BY THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS. SECONDLY, YOU DON'T MAKE A CASE FOR ISLAMISM BEING THE PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU DENY-- AS YOU JUST SAID, YOU DENY THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AMERICAN IMPERIALISM. HOW MANY OTHER COUNTRIES DO YOU KNOW OF THAT HAVE 150 MILITARY BASES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND ARE POKING THEIR NOSES AND MILITARIES IN EVERYTHING EVERY COUNTRY DOES? (Applause) IF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WERE NOT GOING THROUGHOUT THE WORLD TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO, DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME UP WITH EXCUSES TO SUPPORT WHATEVER KIND OF OPPOSITION, WHETHER IT'S ISLAMIST OR OTHERWISE, THAT THEY DO? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO IT'S-- SO-- TO SUM UP, YOU MENTIONED-- YOU MENTIONED WE NEED OR WHAT WE SEE IS EDUCATION BY MURDER. WELL, EDUCATION BY MURDER, ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS SHOWING THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ AND WHAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT IS SHOWING THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE, EDUCATION BY MURDER? (Applause)

pipes: I'M DELIGHTED TO HAVE A COUNTER-LECTURE ALONG WITH MY LECTURE. I'M DELIGHTED TO LEARN THAT WILD-EYED ANTI-AMERICANISM IS ALIVE AND WELL AT ROCHESTER INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY. (Laughter and applause)

I guess what I find interesting is this: There was applause, yes, but it seemed to me that the audience was 3/4's pro-America, though the transcript doesn't even hint at that.

In fact, at two points during the moonbat's rant, an audience member shouted "assh*le!" and "sit down!" The students around me were muttering "What is he, a nazi...WTF?"

#119 quark2 -- after all the heat and passion of the election being over, most resumed their former lives.

Sad to say, it takes alot of time to keep up with current events and most need to resume those 14-18 hour days to pay bills.

like yours truly, IMHO. If you haven't noticed, a lot of the remainder here are our good jewish friends. There's is a cause that will remain constant until the end of history. Just sayin'

PS _ doggedly pursuing paying for my piece of four college educations and trying to get that "working retirement" farm in Shangri-La togther. 25 year goals I'm up to my neck in. Most have moved on darlin'.

OT
Saudi forces battle "militants" in Mecca.

#119 quark2

There used to be a whole passel of brits that posted at Lgf. What has happened to them? Like Ginger, and JohninLondon.
Even colt has just about stopped posting here. :(

While I accept I'm not up to the standard of some of those you mention, please remember that notwithstanding my pseudonym I am British too ;-)

JohninLondon posts occasionally on Biased BBC and Colt still posts here and also has his own blog.

It is true that several European lizards are posting less. You may find an explanation in some of my recent comments...

#116 Sarah D.
Yup! LOL!

Looks like God is getting Pharaoh all setup for judgement this Passover. Go ahead come out of the woodwork all you anti-Jew sons of the Devil.

Just in time to see YOUR first born die. God remembers every bomb, every death you have caused. Even if men have forgotten. Even if the Jews have forgiven, retribution is coming and just like the Passover 3,500 years ago, God will come out of hiding and nobody will be able to say it was man or circumstance behind this judgement.

Let's stop with the OTs. These threads are getting tedious to read.

(1) In Hitler's Germany before WW2, Jewish Academics were one of the 1st targets of Naziism. Please h's may I be wrong but it seems...The more things change the more they stay the same.

(2) If anyone cares...here is my letter to the AUT:

Dear Sirs and Madams,

I am writing to express my extreme disappointment in your decision to boycott the Israeli aacademics/universities. This letter is not designed to discuss or in any way justify Israel's actions against the Palestinians as such government actions have nothing to do with the Universities of that country. You decision to boycott Israeli univerities and Israeli universities alone is misplaced and disgusting. You directly "punish" learning facilities that may or MOST LIKELY DO NOT have anything to do with Israel's governmental decision making.
By boycotting a University you insult the entire institution of education and higher learning. It is also curious that in a world were China has a "one child only policy", Iran and Cuba make dissent illegal & punishable by death, and the United States galavants around the world by its own terms...that you choose ISRAEL to boycott ONLY. The horror of your decision is compounded by the fact that as you boycott Israeli Academic (non governmental) institutions, you seemingly support the entire Palestinian people as they continue their war of Terrorism against Israeli civilains. I am sure that you would agree that it is NEVER acceptable to purposefully target innocent civilians.
I do not suggest that you support Israel or her decisions regarding the Palestinians. I propose that your support of either side of the Israel/Palestinian tragedy has nothing to do with your treatment of non-government EDUCATIONAL facilities. I would only hope that an academic institution like yourself would realize the difference between the government of Israel and Israeli Academics...and see the error in your decision to boycott educational institutions. Your irrational boycott is an affront to both the institution of higher learning and logic itself. You should be ashamed of yourself for this misplaced and irrational boycott, and the questionable motives that spawned it!

British Acedimia and LLL are with the terrorists worldwide. They will have jihad jammed down their throughts. LLL are in bed worlwide with Islam. Islams best chance for world domination is their friendly LLL treason.
I feel as Bigel does concerning UK and Islam. George Galloway thought he could visit Bethnal Green (London) the other day and rally the muslim troups (citizens) for votes in the upcoming election, and almost got lynched by those muslims. Had to hide in his car and be rescued by police. LLL have no idea who they are in bed with, no idea at all. And islam is laughing. British Academia haven't got a clue. Have to go to work, will catch up tomorrow.

#134 AW

OT

Post-9/11 security cuts into Ecstasy

Ecstasy, the illegal stimulant that has helped to define the rave party culture for teens and young adults, is fading in popularity in part because post-9/11 improvements in airport security have made it tougher to smuggle the drug into the USA from Europe.

#135 wrathofg-d

Bravo!

Bravissimo!

#107 Paco

Does it matter? These people are employed by these institutions (universities, etc), no? This is a clear case of discrimination. And as such my questions still stand. Why are institutions involved (universities, etc) and British government allowing for such illigal discrimination.

#119 quark2,

There used to be a whole passel of brits that posted at Lgf. What has happened to them?

I think that all anti-Europe / Eurabia defeatism around here just got to them. Afterall they live there and so they can't just give up all hope like so many here at LGF have.

Read this comment (#138) by Paco from Sefarad...from a few days ago.

LGF posting as slow as molasses in January right now.

#133

God will come out of hiding

Hashem has never hidden. Ever.

I think some Israeli academics (the ones for whom patriotism is more than just a word) may feel a certain Schadenfreude at the boycotting of Haifa U. --- a hotbed of "post-Zionist" anocephaly. Ilan Pappe is our own pale echo of Chief Shitting Bull Ward Churchill, minus the fake Amerind ancestry.

Wrily amusing, they picked on the one hand the most leftist and on the other hand the most rightist (in terms of faculty make-up) institutions to boycott.

I hope the POSes behind this boycott one day contract a fatal disease that can only be cured with a drug or procedure developed in Israel.

@129 Havoc

Thanx for the kindly reality check. :)

I hope you're in for the long haul, right along with rayra, athos, hulugu, and many many others I cannot list.

/after you are one of my favourites. :)

#142 grayp
Correct. It is US (WE?) that refuse to see Him.

#139 mika.

I was merely pointing out that this wasn't a vote taken by one single university. Worse, it was taken (but not discussed) by "teachers" from universities nation wide.

As pointed out by another poster, Tony Blair has already condemned the idea of the boycott some days ago, before today's vote. So far neither the government or individual universities have commented.

#129 Havoc

Wanna add a fifth college tuition to that list? I'll wash windows in thanks!

:-)

Sarah D.

About those West Coast Lizard meet-up Pic's. I have no control over em.

(Yike's ) ...

I think Skippymoment, AtlasShrugged, Iron Fist, Carolina Girl, et al, have their own digital or analogue versions.

I for one while happy that the lovely and talented Mrs. Havoc is in fine photogenic form having maintained her collegiate figure, I'm not interested in my image posted up, living as we do near the gates of Mordor. (do we really want to buy that kind of stupid trouble ?)

Contact them for whatever, but please no advertising who's who, or I'll send "No Neck Nik" to pay yooos a little visit.

#140 Ringo the Gringo

See also my link #144 to Charles' explanation of bigel's banning.

#148 Havoc

Hey! You threatenin' me? :-)

I don't want them posted HERE, I wanted them emailed to me!

And send No Neck my way, I have some work for him to do.

BabbaZee

grayp

People can pretend right now that God does not exist, or did not create the universe. Permitted, I think, for the excercise of free will. But certain times in human history that curtain is pulled back. 3 times stand out in the Old Testament, but there are others. All of them involve judgements.

Noah

First Passover

Conquest of Canaan starting at Jericho (Another Passover)

This is setting up to happen again. Nobody will be able to pretend it was something else.

#143 Former Belgian

Wrily amusing, they picked on the one hand the most leftist and on the other hand the most rightist (in terms of faculty make-up) institutions to boycott.

I think BGU is much more leftist than U Haifa.

#151 jehu
The Strong Sword Arm of the Lord of Gevurah, Elohim.
There will be deniers in spite of it. They just won't live very long.

@122 Paco from Sefarad

My apologies dear sir. :)

I had forgotten that you are a brit! I've seen you post you are an expat, but the fact you're brit completely went right out of my head. And you are quite right up there too.

Jehu-grayp
addendum
and this can only be brought about by OUR collective willingness to see and to merit it

Incidentally, Israeli "left"ist academics [I find it harder than ever to distinguish between Chiroptera Lunaris Sinistris and Chiroptera Lunaris Dextris ;-)] can spout any nonsense -- no matter how impopular, nonsensical, or revolting --- without fear of losing their precious jobs for that alone. A number of them (Pappe among them IIRC --- also some Communist chemist from the Technion named Jacob Katriel) crossed the line into endorsing academic boycotts of their own institutions. I am not an attorney qualified to practice in Israel, but the way I read the labor contract, this particular sort of action (seeking to inflict harm on your employer) is grounds for dismissal for even tenured faculty. They preferred not to go this route (which would have turned these [expletives deleted] into martyrs and given them exactly what they wanted) but would have been within their rights to do so.

Fabio asked, "Why all the Brits should be ashamed for the vile idiocy of a few thousands of spoiled lefty academics?"

My response: All Germans who were alive during the 1930's and 40's are responsible for the Shoah. They may not all be responsible to the same degree- but they all share a responsibility.

When Baruch Goldstein killed 28 Muslims in a masque I, as a Jew, was embarrassed, ashamed, and appalled.

I ask to no less of the British today. Not all Brits are as responsible for this act of gross antisemitism as the organizers of this academic pogrom. However, had ten million Brits let it be known that they would never tolerate this act of Jew-hatred perpetrated in their name, then I have no doubt this would not have passed.

The Europeans( and I include Britain in that category ), like to talk about "community." There is no community unless there is the recognition that responsibility for crimes committed are shared by the entire community.

#150 Sarah D.

"No Neck Nik" doesn't do windows, Darlin' -- but if you're really nice to him he might take you out for linguini in clam sauce.

#19 Havoc - thanks for the Good News (and from a Blue state, no less!)

"They" = the administration of these institutions. PIMF

#138 PACO

thank you.

EVERYONE ELSE:

Before any of you quibble or rip me for my statements about "America Galavanting..." realize the audience that the letter was directed.

# 32 what does AUT stand for? Probably Association of University Teachers or something, but let's have some fun with it!

Academics
Unable to
Think

Awful
Ugly
Teutons

Arrogant
Uncircumsized
Troglodytes

The English used to go all around the world tell everybody what to do. Now they realize how wrong they were. Now they go all around the world telling everybody what not to do.

Havoc,

LOL! I don't want him to do windows! LOL! I have some serious work for him...

And I love clam sauce!

Hmmm, clams. I think I'll have sardines for lunch. That's as close as I can get.

#157 MJ

I ask to no less of the British today. Not all Brits are as responsible for this act of gross antisemitism as the organizers of this academic pogrom. However, had ten million Brits let it be known that they would never tolerate this act of Jew-hatred perpetrated in their name, then I have no doubt this would not have passed.

Are tens of millions of Americans letting it known that they won't tolerate pro-terrorist anti-semitism on campuses like Berkeley?

This is a worldwide problem.

This is the same old, same old ,two- faced Antisemitic Bullshit that has permiated the English mind reinforced by the Crown and sanctioned by the Church punctuated by historic outrages eg. 1053 C.E. all 400 Jews of the city of York were slaughtered as reprisal for being the Christ Killers, to REPEATED abuse by British Monarchs, by taxation and expulsion of all Jews from the Realm,to the handling of the British Mandate of Palestine in 1947-8,and their failed attempt at screwing the Jews out of their creation of a safe Jewish homeland Eretz Yisrael---a plague on those pathetic miscreant repugnant bigoted "Academics"who corrupt the minds of the constituents they tutor.--DIANU

#149 Paco from Sefarad

I sympathize with you and other European's who post here. I for one, have not given up hope for Europe (especially Eastern Europe and Great Britain). Although stories like the topic of this thread don't encourage my optimism.

Please keep posting.

As for Bigel...Well, at least he was funny.

BabbaZee

The Strong Sword Arm of the Lord of Gevurah, Elohim.
There will be deniers in spite of it. They just won't live very long.

Exactly! Reminds me something out of the book of Revelations (Ok close Jewish eyes :-) ). Where men cry out for the rocks and mountains to cover then when God appears.

Funny that the revelation of God becomes so extreme that men wish for death...and retreat into the earth, crying for the earth itself to hide them from God. Shades of Darwin. Notice how those that worship rocks, tend to have a bad attitude toward God.

#167 Kohenan the Barbarian
Have I told you I LOVE your nic?

#152 AW: point taken. In fact, some geographer there who had co-authored a paper with a Palestinian on some Israeli policy they considered "apartheid" couldn't get their own paper published because the editor of the journal (David Irving-penpal Mona Baker) was boycotting Israel. (Made my day when I heard this.)

Things are of course never clear-cut. In fact, the Chancellor of the College of Judea and Samaria in the settlement of Ariel [an extension of Bar-Ilan, and the ostensible ground for boycotting it] comes from BGU and still has a dual appointment there. Actually, my ears tell me that half the student population at CJS is Arab.

#169 jehu
They worship rocks AND wipe their asses with them. Funny how that works out... ;-)

# 135

"The United States 'galavants'" ?

That sounds like such fun! I think I'll go out and do a little galavantin' today. I think that consists of making somewhat like the horseless knights in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," except with a lot more enthusiasm.

#165 Sarah D.
now playing: deep purple machine head

Insanity galavants in my family.

#79:

Of course, Jew hatred is not genetic, but it can be culturally ingrained. I live in the UK now and I find Jews here are closeted. No on actually says, "I am Jewish," or, worse, "I am a Jew." The newspaper, the other day, referred to Lucianna Berger, the student who stood up to the anti-Semites in a student union, as "coming from a Jewish family, or having a Jewish background."

But even better in last week's "Times," a writer named FEINGOLD, talked about immigration policy and how his family left Russia, were immigrants themselves to the UK, due to pogroms, without mentioning the word "Jewish" once.

I think this attitude is medieval in origin and predates the current Israeli-Palestinian round of war, despite what liberals think.

I am not sure enough Brits care or know any Jews. And if the Jews here are too afraid to stand up for themselves, and they are and now are vastly outnumbered by Muslims, they will never get anywhere with refuting this boycott. Just as with Livingstone, it is the Weisenthal Center in LA that is leading a charge. Although this Berger gal is somone to watch, she lead an attempted boycott of Livingstone. You go girlfriend!

The main reason, I suspect, she is getting press is because she is buds with Blair's son. Gotta love the Brits, it's who you know and where you come from that matters most!

Don't blame the UK as a whole. Look at our (US) universities. The Palestinian (anti-Semitic) cause is trumpeted almost everywhere. Look at our "mainline" churches in the US. Remember when it was shocking for Vanessa Redgrave to condemn "Zionists" at the Oscars? The world is upside down.

#71 steve miller - "there's long been a history of Arabophilia and Anti-Semitism in the ruling class.

And in Britain, the ruling class really sets the class."

And its all LOW class.

jehu, this is for you
How to think about Zionism

Here, then, is the central question I would like to consider: If we truly believe that God’s promises to the Jewish people have not come to an end, and that those promises are linked inextricably to the land, what are we to make of the current return to Israel? We seem to be left in a quandary. It would appear that in order for Christians to sympathize with Zionism, they must believe that we now live in the shadow of the end times. But this is not the only way to read the biblical evidence. To get another perspective on the matter it would perhaps be useful to see how Judaism has struggled with the very same issue.

Still, we must also insist that the promises of Scripture are indeed inviolable and that Israel’s attachment to this land is underwritten by God’s providential decree. The miraculous appearance of the Israeli state just after the darkest moment in Jewish history is hard to interpret outside of a theological framework. Certainly this is one reason (though not the only reason) why Islam has such difficulties with the modern state of Israel. The Jews are a protected people in the Koran but also a people who must know their place. Many Muslims believe that the Jews have gone far beyond their limited set of rights by possessing an independent state with authority over Muslim holy sites. Many Arab nations continue to draw maps of the Middle East in which the state of Israel does not even appear. But even worse is the silence of those mainline church bodies that ignore such blatant nonrecognition while loudly attacking Israel for its shortcomings.

The return of the Jews to Israel has also posed a challenge to Christians. For ever since the days of Augustine, Israel’s landlessness was commonly thought to be a punishment for the death of Christ. Events of the previous century showed us where this type of thinking can lead. Happily, many thoughtful Christians have moved beyond this position. Certainly the visit of Pope John Paul II to the Holy Land—his walking the streets of the Jewish state and praying at the Western Wall—is a powerful expression of this. The question now is whether we can move from an attitude of toleration and acceptance to bold theological affirmation. Is the return to Zion part of God’s providential design and eternal promise to His people Israel? I believe that it is. Is Israel’s most recent return to this land final and permanent? No one can know for sure. That will depend, as Uriel Simon wisely argues, on the providential plan of our benevolent Creator and on the actions of Israel.

Gary A. Anderson is Professor of Old Testament/Hebrew Bible at the University of Notre Dame.

grayp can I look too LOL!

BabbaZee

Richie Blackmoore The best!

#181 jehu
Amen to that
But he was a raging snot bag when I met him. So sad.

Hmmm. I'm thinking of writing some joint development proposals. Hmmm. so many choices for collaboration. How can I possibly narrow it down? Oh the British AUT just helped by eliminating themselves.

#174 BabbaZee

Now eating sardines on saltines, drenched in Tabasco. I keep hearing Green Manalishi in my head.

’cause you’re the green manalishi with the two-pronged crown

And do not delude yourselves: this is emphatically NOT something that could only happen in England. Anyplace where you have loony-"left" asshattery (or its evil twin on the looney-"right") you will find it. And even in hotbeds of left-loonbatism (Berkeley, say) you might see that things change when you move across campus from the "luftgeschaeften" ("air business", as the humanities are known in Yiddish-Hebrew slang) to the sciences.

BTW, Joel: the "Samuel Johnson" quote is actually by Edmond Burke. But it is G-ddamn apt.

grayp

Thanks I read your except, will check out the link later. I agreed completely with the excerpt. I do not think modern history can be interpreted at all without the context of Israel being re-established as a nation. IMO it is permanent, it is both a mystical fulfillment, and a physical fullfillment.

All the rage of Islam, moonbatism, communism, facism is so much frothing of the sea, in a hopeless rage and fury about something they have no more chance of stopping than they do of stopping the orbit of the earth about the sun.

We only fear when we look at their rage and the storm and think that is the primary power on earth. The are nothing! We fix our eyes on Him, with whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning.

Fear no man.
Countenance no evil.
Never abandon hope!

#184 Sarah D.
EWwww Sardines LOL!

BabbaZee

But he was a raging snot bag when I met him. So sad.

So was Jim Morrison, even worse. But nobody ever got that sassy bouncy sound from a guitar like Blackmoore. You probably have to have an ego the size of Saturn to be a Rock Star anyway. Think of Axel Rose.

>Is there not some legal action that can be taken against this council, or do hate crimes not apply to Jews in the UK?

I wrote the the committie that looks into racism here, no reply, no suprise.

The big player here is the soclialist BBC, after 30 years of intense anti-Israeli propaganda from the BBC, there really is no suprise this has gone ahead.

It is a very dark day for Britain, and a signpost of Europe's decline.

How did Germans feel when Jews were banned from their universities. I can imagine now.

#188 BabbaZee

Ewww? Sardines=good!

And good for you BTW!

Sarah D
My face is all sqinched up and I have one eye closed like popeye.
[brrr]

#189 jehu
Morrison = the most overated pompass talentless bag of wind EVER
At least Mr. Blackmore has true talent
;-)

#124 AW -- Kol hakavod lecha uletzanhanim!

#179 grayp
I am not religious, but I cannot imagine how someone who IS could NOT see the establishment of the State of Israel after 2,000 years and the Shoah as anything BUT the will of G-d. If G-d DOES involve him/herself at all in the affairs of men, how could such a momentous undertaking slipped past his notice?

ON topic, for those who were wondering where the UK government was on this, according to a Jm Post article last week,

The British government responded saying that "the prime minister is appalled by discrimination against academics on the grounds of their race or nationality" and that "universities must send a clear signal that this will not be tolerated."

Still, I read so much horrendous stuff almost daily I am getting sorely depressed. LGF doesn't cheer me up much either-- more sources to get depressed over. Just looking forward to upcoming trip to Israel this summer.

Jim Morrison was a scumbag. And his music sucks.

Mmmm, sardines!

BabbaZee

Couldn't agree more. And now for another Rock n Roll blasphemy:

I think Mick Jagger sucks. He is an evil prick. He is ugly, his lips are too big, he needs Michael Moore's diet, and he has a lousy voice. Probably going to get flamed for this one. Now...dragging my self back to work.

But I say to them your crime is the hate in your heart and your punishment is Israel.

What Would Adolf Hitler Do?

This vote is no different than the Nuremburg Laws of 1935 and differs in its intent only to the extent it targets the survivors.

This is an immoral base act; if I were an Israeli academic I would swear out a complaint demanding the perpetrators of this action be arrested for hate-crimes under European law.

The only further thing I can observe is this falls just before Passover, just like the Warsaw Ghetto liquidation and thousands of pogroms before it. Mobs of wild eyed maniacs are not raging through some village in Russia, their shrieks of blood lust can be found in the formerly civilized halls of academia.

I can't express surprise because it was clear they would vote for this; the great intellectuals whose ire could not be raised by Saddam Hussein, to say nothing of Hitler's run up to the war and never a bleat about the tens of millions murdered under Communism.

The crime is Israel; the punishment is death.

#135 wrathofg-d -- ", and the United States galavants around the world by its own terms...that you choose ISRAEL to boycott ONLY."

I'm not impressed with your letter.

#195 jehu
Agree!

Sarah D LOL!

Sarah D.

mmm Sardines

- Homer Simpson

It's all part, of my rock-n-roll blasphemy!

Yeah, Mick sucks too. And you know who really really sucks? Bob Dylan. Why did he not just have others sing his songs? The Grateful Dead suck too.

The suck list:
Dylan
Grateful Dead
Morrison
Mick Jagger
Kris Kristofferson

I know there is more.

jehu I got to listen to some Purple the other day, forgot how superb Blackmore was. I did try to meet him after a gig, on his first solo tour, but you're right, he was legendarily rude. Only found out later he was manic depressive, great licks though

#202 Londoner
That was me that met him. Manic? Makes sense.

Sarah D mah Sistah

I would take Kris Kristofferson off the list otherwise I agree
Especially the dylan / dead thing PTTTHHH

Sarah D I finally am putting on the Smithereens now

#193 transient

#124 AW -- Kol hakavod lecha uletzanhanim!

Thanks. Not everyone that passes the gibush is accepted, but I think my chances are good. Will know for certain in 2 weeks.

#203 BabbaZee

Really? Kris can't sing for shit. Very very bad.

Greg Allman grabbed my ass at a concert in Gainesville. Very full of himself. OTOH, Tom Petty was really cool.

Sarah D

Agree with that list. Dylan had (has) a homely voice, but a mathametician with words. He was an early casualty of moonbatism, If memory serves he refused to be a mascot of SDS, weathermen types.

#206 Sarah D.
Kris is an amazing songwriter and he as a bad voice like willy nelson, that I actually like
Plus I wanted him with my entire body for about 5 years LOL

On Greg Allman - he tried to mainline heroin in front of me one night in a club where I was dating the soundman
I told him off
Forever more I was known as the chick that told off Greg Allman
LOL
He was a PIG

#207 jehu
Gotta give Dylan the word thing too

Sarah D
Tom Petty has the same whiny effect on me that Geddy Lee has
But I do like a few songs, especially American Girl

jehu and Babba Zee - You two are just too young to appreciate the Rolling Stones. (and yes, Mick Jagger - and when he was straight enought to compose and play, Keith Richards - are the Rolling Stones).
AND the Rolling Stones = Rock 'n Roll. Several years ago I bought a double CD of the Stone's greatest hits. Two years ago I noticed another double CD of the Stones greatest hits - all of which were different songs than on the first double CD.
These guys have AT LEAST 50 songs which they composed and performed which are the guts of Rock, and, together with Buddy Holly, the Everly Brothers, CSN, Neil Young and Eric Clapton really are the "soundtrack" to my life.
Mick has always had fat lips - so what? And if he needs to go on a diet, all I can say is that he's rapidly approaching age 60 (and to everyone's surprise, including his own, Keith Richards might make 60 too!).
Jim Morrison - feh, a poseur.

Dylan is good with words, but his voice sucks.

Allman is a pig, fer sure. I met the lead for Iron Maiden (can't remember his name) he was a total ass also.

#212 Sarah D.
AND a midget - so is Dio LOL!

#211 realwest
Oh baby I am far from young - then again, there was a time I loved the Stones. I appreciate the POV. I just don't STILL love them like I do with much of the other music I listened to as a kid

Realwest-
all their stuff is derivative, I'd rather do real blues and R & B
(on the stones)

But I'm happy to see so many that spit upon Morrison LOL!

Sarah D -
Ultimate Rock and Roll asshole I ever met: Debbie Harry
She was plucking the hair out of her legs with a tweezer. She was tre skanky in real life. This is about 25 years ago.

#210 BabbaZee

I'm not a huge Tom Petty music fan, but he was a hoot to party with.

But Dio can sing. Wow.

Funny story on meeting Rockers. When I was in U.S. Navy and we were on vacation (leave) from a tour off of Tokin Gulf, we went to Hong Kong. Some of us stayed in the Hong Kong Hilton.

This was 72, or maybe early 73. So there is a sign in the Lobby of the Hilton that says, "Welcome Chicago Singing Group." Didn't think much of it, thought it might be a gospel choir group or something.

That night me and a couple of buddies go to the downstairs bar and have a few. Sitting a couple of tables over was a bunch of "long hairs," obviously American. Now we had been out to sea for several months and wanted find some weed. So I up and go over to these guys and immediately there are waiter and suit types kind of hovering over me.

I ask them where the are from, real nice they say "Chicago." Then I say, you guys got any? They say, "no we came in clean."

I go back to the table wondering why somebody would say "we came in clean," didn't make sense to me.

One of my other buddies comes down to the bar and is staring at these guys and says to us, you know who those guys are? We say, "no." He says, "that's Chicago!"

I turn about 5 shades of red, seeing I just tried to score pot from about the biggest Rock Band going about that time. Nice guys though didn't make me feel stupid, or shine me on at all.

Sarah D - I'll bet!
Best partiers: Blackfoot.

#218 Sarah D.
Yea, he's like Judy Garland or Edith Piaf, this tiny little thing with a HUGE voice

#197 Studsup

READ # 161, thank you!

#219 jehu
LOL!
Chicago was awesome back in the day before they took the easy listening pill

Best drink I ever had a bar with a rocker:
Budweisers with John Kay at the Chance in Poughkeepsie NY
About 20 years ago

He was REAAALLLY sick of singing Born to Be Wild LOL

Saw Blackfoot in Cherokee. Didn't party with them tho. Best concert seen in Cherokee - Kenny Wayne Shepherd. He was just a kid and seemed to really enjoy all the nekkid women (bike rally).

That kid rocks.

#214 BabbaZee - to a significant extent ALL rock and roll is derivative - combination of serious blues, gospel and Western Swing, with a touch (or more) of country. But Jagger and Richards wrote about 99% of their own lyrics and music, did their own arrangements and performed them themselves.
And I like Tom Petty - his voice is sorta like Bob Dylan's except Tom can a) carry a tune b) stay in key and c) doesn't sound week.
BTW, I left off of my "Soundtrack of My Life" Led Zeppelin. All "Metal Music" is derivative of Led Zep.

#225 realwest

Richards has looked like hell for years. It's amazing he's still alive.

#189 etc. Blackmore was both a GREAT guitarist and an arsehole. One does not exclude the other.

The exceptions to the "rockstar=big ego" rule may be those who slowly built up their fame. It's hard to find a more friendly and personable guy than Geddy Lee (Rush frontman), and I've heard the same about the guys in Dream Theater. (If I'd have to point to a rock guitarist that puts even Blackmore in the shadow it'd be DT's John Petrucci.) Same for Genesis etc., all bands that acquired fame gradually.

There is a flip side to the "pretentious rock star" though. Some people simply cannot cope with their most trivial acts suddenly becoming the center of attention. I don't care for Nirvana (although "Smells like teen spirit" was one kick-*ss rock song) but that's what drove Kurt Cobain (another manic-depressive) to suicide.

One of my most beloved Rush songs ("Limelight") is about their attempts to cope with being in the public eye all the time (which was especially hard on drummer/lyricist Neil Peart --- the other two guys are natural extroverts)

Living on a lighted stage
Approaches the unreal
For those who think and feel
In touch with some reality
Beyond the gilded cage

Cast in this unlikely role,
Ill-equipped to act
With insufficient tact
One must put up barriers
To keep oneself intact

Living in the limelight
The universal dream
For those who wish to seem
Those who wish to be
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the fascination
The real relation
The underlying theme

Living in a fisheye lens
Caught in the camera eye
I have no heart to lie
I can't pretend a stranger
Is a long-awaited friend

All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players
Performers and portrayers
Each another's audience
Outside the gilded cage

#225 realwest
Of course all R & R is derivative, some more than others though...straight blues riffs are straight blues riffs - it all depends where you take that - are you Jeff Beck or Keith Richards?
THey just dont do it for me anymore.
Zeppelin. Before Plant blew his voice out. MM HMmmm.

223 Babba

stop it gal! your dating yourself in public! pull yourself together!

I'm going to have a beer to wash down the sardines. I'm bummed. It's beer time for sure.

realwest

I grew up with Motown, the Beatles and the Stones. Long as I can remember I was the only one around that could not stand Mick. I appreciate their impact on Rock, but something about Jagger, just like Clinton, I have a visceral reaction in the gut to em.

Sarah D

mmm...in oil or mustard?

#226 Sarah D.,

Richards has looked like hell for years. It's amazing he's still alive.

He's not alive. He just hasn't figured it out yet.

Sarah D

Richards has looked like hell for years. It's amazing he's still alive.

Keith Richards IS alive?

Has anyone ever met Santana? That's one person I've always wanted to meet.

He gets a total transfusion every 6 months in sweden somewhere
If I were alittle kid and I saw that man I'd be scarred for life
GOLEM!

Ok, anyone think Dion had the best voice in Rock n Roll?

#232 paxnhymn

Oil. With Tabasco. I have a love affair with heartburn.

#219 jehu LOL! When I was in the Army and stationed at the Panama Canal Zone, Led Zep came down to put on a concert for all US forces in the CZ. This was like after their second album and they were as hot as any Rock group ever was. I was puzzled that they would come to the CZ to put on a concert (only about 15,000 or so Soldiers, sailors and airmen
in the whole CZ at the time).
One of my bud's knew someone who knew someone etc. etc., and after putting on a nearly two hour show, that REALLY kicked ass, we got to go backstage. Saw the roadies ripping the guts out of the speaker boxes and replacing them with many, many 5 lb bags of genuine Panama Red. US Airforce flew them into the Zone and out. No customs, no hassles!

Dion?

#229 paxnhymn
Ahhh FEH on that
Dammit, I LIKE old. I'm finally the age I feel comfortable being. My dad always said, I was born old.. LOL!

Dion is from my old neighborhood
He's born again now
I LOVE DION

Sarah D.

Carlos is a waaayyy LLL flake! It's all of those years with Mclaughlin I think...( I know McL's a flake, but I love acid/freeform jazz!)

Best concert bands I heard:

Black Sabbath

Grand Funk Railroad

Humble Pie

Mountain

Post Marijuana Stress Syndrome (PMSS) is making me forget so many others.

The best voice in Rock-n-Roll?

Laugh if you will

Tom Jones

Imagine him singin metal

the best "voice" in Rock "n" Roll was the lead singer for Queensryche...golden!

Holy flashbacks Jehu

This is the repented religious renegade burnouts thread LOL!

I've actually been thinking about this. The problem, as I see it, with 80's rock, was the influx of girly men singers. I love Journey, REO, etc...but it sure is nice to get back to the manly men ie. Creed, Puddle of Mud, etc.

I'm also enjoying some of the women rockers of late. Can't remember the names tho sorry.

117 Jonny

I hope that this Pakistiani Britsh resident has the courage to say these things in his mosque.

#243 paxnhymn

You just ruined my month. I'll need another beer to deal with that.

He seems so laid back and cool. Crap.

realwest

Really wished I could have seen Led Zep in concert. They were an institution. Anybody ever see Queen in concert?

The singer from Queesryche kicked ass. But, he's another girly man voice.

This place has a lot of music for old people.
(cheap plug, but I've sent this site enough money.)

#251 jehu
my favorite band
news of the world tour
MSG told the story last night somehere on a thread

jehu

ohoh..it's "date stamp" time...Leslie West was great, Wasn't he?
Pudgy lil' Bastard...

Mark Farner is "born again'

makes some great Christian Music, if you're into that sort o' thing!

#252 Sarah D.
Jeff Tate, baby halford

PDM

Jeez are we OT! And Old People? I'm gonna throw my walker at ya, you whipersnapper!

Best concert ever:

Big Country back when they were just starting out. REM is a close second. Modern English would be third.

There were all small venues though, which makes a huge difference.

Big venue? Billy Idol. Man that dude had lots of energy.

#246 paxnhymn
Jeff Tate & Rob Halford are very similar

185 Former Belgian

I stand corrected. It was Edmund Burke not Samuel Johnson.

Billy Idol. Man that dude had lots of energy.

it's called Cocaine LOL!

JOSH GROBAN ROCKS!

British Academics Suck

and anyway, about that ZZ Top show I saw in 1980...

Can't forget

Jethro Tull

211 realwest

One of my favorite British Groups from the British Invasion "The Dave Clark Five."

Cocain schmocain, who cares. He rocked. Quite cute too.

Just scared the crap out of the kiddo - mosquito larva are pretty horrific under the microscope. :-)

#257 jehu,

And Old People? I'm gonna throw my walker at ya, you whipersnapper!

I am one of those old people. :)

BabbaZee

Must...bring...back...to...topic...at...hand.

Islam Sucks

#237 jehu DION? You're joking, right? If you're shooting for the best voice(s) in Rock, you're gonna have to start (or at least put at the top) with Roy Orbison and Jay Black (of Jay and the Americans). And no way you could leave out Sam Cooke.
Babba Zee - I agree with you about the Stones today - they just don't have it anymore (and in fact, most of their "current" music is derivative of their earlier music).
As to Keith Richards, my most recent former wife and I were having dinner at a famous steak joint in NYC (back when we were still married) and five people all in black leather - shirts, pants and Dusters, walked past us to a table at the rear. All they ordered was two huge platters of onion rings and three liters of Vodka. My former wife said "Omigod, that's Keith Richards". Now I am, of course, cool, so I didn't turn around to look. But they finished before we did and as they walked past I looked and sonofagun it was Keith Richards and he looked like a ghost even then.
I think it's more or less true - you never grow old with Rock and Roll. It's the Sex and Drugs that do you in!

I have ALWAYS wanted to see Jethro Tull.

Anybody see Boston? I heard they sucked live. They sure kicked ass on vinyl though.

PDM

I am one of those old people. :)

I challenge you to a race around the nursing home!

wait...

Here ya go geezers...

I saw Wishbone Ash, Uriah Heep, and Mahogany Rush together...when I was in High School...

What a freak fest! I always remeber Mick Box and that hair...thought he was Cousin It...didn't think a man could grow hair that long!

#270 Sara D - nope, never saw Boston, but the old Buffalo Springfield had the reverse curse - live they just BURNED, but on vinyal, eh.

#272 paxnhym
BWahhahhahaha!

[does burnout on her rascal scooter]

#271 jehu,

I challenge you to a race around the nursing home!

Honestly, I may be in a wheelchair by next year, so I'll be sure to pick out one of those racing models.

#270 Sarah D.
they were all production'their bassist invented a whole bunchof techie cool music crap
they SUCKED live

paxynhymn

Now that is something. One of he best studio alblums ever Argus, by Wishbone Ash

#275 PDM
Why? Get a rascal Scooter and do burnouts!