Brooklyn is FULL of Jihadiots - they are the tip of the iceberg

Airbags? They've moved on from black market cigarettes to airbags?

We live in a crazy world.

Every Mosque in America should be subject to a raid IMO
Start in Brooklyn.

BabbaZee, SarahCloud

How the heck are you?

CTP just fine thanks heading towards my nap time about now .. ;-)

OY. This is starting to make my head hurt.

I wonder how much of a bang you could produce if you took all the explosive compound (sodium azide) out of each of those airbags.

Hey Chris!

Busy trying to figure out how I'm going to afford summer camp for the kiddo since I'll be in class M-Th in the summer.

Not sure I'm going to be able to swing it actually.

Maybe it was just a MOVEON.org protest group office.

#7 Kylaer

Interesting point. They pack a bit of a bang don't they?

Muslim pinups:

newspaper clippings about Osama bin Laden and beheadings in Iraq covered the walls

Right around the corner from me...

Dirtbags in possession of Airbags.

Authorities, however, did not believe they had stumbled onto a terrorist cell, even though the room contained some materials that could be used to fashion pipe bombs, sources said.

Nothing to see here folks...Move along now.

Can you improvise an explosive with an artbag?

Nope, no terrorists here; move along folks.

Sorry, "airbag".

Brooklyn is lousy with these radical Islamists.

And, given the fact that the majority of cab drivers in NYC are now Muslims, I often wonder what would happen if even 50 of them turned their cabs into car bombs and detonated them all over the city at a prearranged time.

What is wrong with America? Now people are getting arrested because of bad interior decorating!

/

#2 Sarah D. The airbags are to store all the hot air that results when the terrorists preach and spew their hatred. At a certain point the bags explode. It's a new terrorist bomb - in the planning stages.

The Pres. was rushed to an underground shelter this morning?

I suspect they'd do better selling the stolen airbags and using the money to support the jihadis back in Iraq and Palestine.

Crown Heights has a large Jewish population, no?

#20 Sarah D.

Linky?

I think the stolen airbags are just a way to make money to donate to "the cause," like coupon clipping and smuggled cigarettes.

False Alarm

President Bush was rushed from the Oval Office (search) to an underground shelter and Vice President Dick Cheney (search) was taken to a secure location Wednesday on fears that an unidentified aircraft had entered restricted space near the White House. Officials said it was a false alarm.

Well, this is the NYPost... is there a second source for this? If true, it's pretty disturbing.

#20 Sarah D. What? Where'd you see/hear that?

#17 Amy

That's a really scarey scenario.

Audeh Hamdan of Brooklyn owns the three-story building, which has 11 outstanding code violations on file with the city, records show.

Yet somehow a red flag hasn't gone up?! What does one have to do to be considered a threat? Confiscate the property!

Osama & Zarkawi are having trouble getting enough splodydopes for the cause. The airbags are a new marketing technique:

'Ahmed, you pipe-bomb the plane, crash it into the White House, you get a free airbag so you can survive!'

Aloha Snackbar!

So let's see:

- pinups of OBL on the wall
- bomb-making material
- owner has a history of arrests for violent crimes

If this is NOT evidence of terrorism, then what, pray tell, is?

Ot: You guys need to see this

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Ed #21 -

Yeah, there's a huge ultra-Orthodox population in Crown Heights. Also a lot of immigrants from the Caribbean. But Muslims have been moving in to a lot of neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx.

I grew up in Brooklyn-downtown Brooklyn to be exact. There were Syrians out the wazoo (some of them my sister's Godparents-Christians of course.) then one day in the 60's all my Syrian "relations" turned out to be Lebanese. It was amazing!
Now the entire Atlantic Avenue area is elbow deep in Jihadi types. But maybe it will be like Miami Beach (my husband used to say all the time that Miami Beach was too nice to leave to the gangsters-and it came true. Now it is filled with yuppies-only marginally better-but better.) Maybe south Brooklyn will clean up too. Heaven knows the rents and housing prices are high enough!
OT-Hi! BabbaZee-I have the grandkids this week while their parents cruise. (If I get lucky from this vacation for the next vacation I will maybe have one MORE grandchild!) (Don't tell my daughter in law I said that-she will jump overboard!)

Vedado-

What? Looks like Paradise to me!

/Moonbat

You're scaring me Babba Zee...one of my kiddos lives in Brooklyn now. I'm here in western Wa and don't know anything about the place.

#14 farng!

Can you improvise an explosive with an airbag?

Airbags contain a small explosive charge to propel them outward towards the passenger.

Theoretically, yes they can be made into a bomb. However, my guess is they were dealing in them only.

Airbags are a hot item on the black market.

#33 mrsoc
You go, grandpa! And yes Brooklyn is a special country all to itself.

I'm sooo glad there's nothing to worry about.

Better to roll my eyes than to have my head rolled.

#30 Anant

If this is NOT evidence of terrorism, then what, pray tell, is?

If you find his head on Fifth Street, the axle of a truck he rented on Fiftieth Street, and his entrails in between, he might be a terrorist (if convicted, he's presumed innocent).

/sarcasm?

farng! #27 -

I know. I also worry about the subways and buses, which have no protection and which are used by millions of New Yorkers every day.

Wasn't there a grocery store or deli in Brooklyn with all kinds of anti-jewish writings all over the front and the city couldn't do any thing about it?
Is that the same place.
Isn't Crown Heights where there are sunagogues with Hassidic
members and it was in the news a few years ago?

I live in Brooklyn, not too far from Muslim enclave on Atlantic Avenue. I avoid it because it makes me uncomfortable, but the crime is very low, and in general, Brooklyn is safe and beautiful.

obviously-synagogues

#35 pdotfu
It's a special place. Lotsa of Jews, Jihaiots, Koreans, Black, all peoples, but in tight enclaves, mixing at borders, there's a feel in Brooklyn, some of it is beautiful, very beautiful. Old Brownstones and Victorians, old trees
There's neighborhoods - which are gone now elsewhere, like the one I grew up in in the Bronx. Small mom & pop stores, old ladies on beach chairs outside buldings speaking in Yiddish
Russians speaking in Russian
Hassidim
funky crazy Jews
Italians and Koreans
I love Brooklyn
But it is a dangerous, beautiful and special world.

I'm thinking the "Terror Cell Discovered" original headline was scrapped as being too controversial

It's probably a good thing that I'm not Ruler of the World-
I'd be jailing and deporting terrorist scum left and right.
Even if these people aren't terrorists, they apparently support and look up to terrorists.
Get them out of our country!

Crown Heights is known for the Crown Heights riots.

Thank you Babba Zee, no wonder she loves the place.

Authorities say there is no evidence of terrorism.

Well, there isn't, is there, unless we are now defining 'terrorism' as holding any idea contrary to U.S. foreign policy.

pdotfu #35 -

Brooklyn is a very big place, with a population of about 2 million people. I'd have to know more about where in Brooklyn your kid lives.

efuseakay - I trust the Post more than the NY Times these days!

#48 pdotfu
;-) As well she should. She'll be fine.

35 pdotfu
Don't worry so much-Brooklyn is a real home town sort of place. There are 4,000,000 people plus in Brooklyn-which means it could be a city if it wanted to. Bloomberg-terrorists, bad parking, car theft and great time. Terrific resturants. Some neighborhoods (my mum is in Bay Ridge still after 40 years in the same apartment) and they STILL have to be reminded to lock their doors and count their change.
Remember that New York (and Brooklyn as well) were once tiny towns like you find anywhere else-some places (Bay Ridge, Sheepshead Bay, Bensonhurst, just as examples) never change. I lived on 82nd Street and 4th Avenue for some years-you could walk around naked and on fire at three in the morning and no one would have said boo to you.
Forgive any typos-I have a screaming 1 year old trying to climb into my lap and a 6 year old telling her to stop at about 180 decibels.

...move along...nothing to see here...move along...!

2 felony arrests and still in the country. that's the INS for you. It does not give a damn.

I've lived in Brooklyn for six years. I just try to stay clear of the Jewish neighborhoods, because they're so dangerous.

Amy, she lives on Pioneer St.

#56 davesax
LOL!
I am the Jew your Imam warned you about... ;-)

This type of stuff really gets my blood going. This information is on a need to know basis only or at least it should be . We don't want to the enemy to know what we know. (opsec) for you .mil types out there.

I don't need to know and neither does, Andy Rooney, Dr. Howard Dean and especially that motor mouth Sen. Patrick Leahy. Leahy told Bin Laden that we had his Sat phone tapped.

On another note.

Ethics Chairman Proposes Probe of DeLay
Panel Calls NASA for Expertise

I live on St. Johns in Prospect Heights a few blocks away...holy shit batman!

I can ladder 123 from my building...

Last time I was in New York City, they pried the high-intensity discharge headlights out of my Acura. Cost $4500 to repair the damage. When I went to the police station to make the report, the woman who took the information from me said, somewhat apologetically; "Well, enjoy the rest of your stay in our fair city…or run like hell!" I love New YorK! :-)

Now when I go up there, I rent a beater that no one would look at twice.

#40 Amy
Do they really have no protection, or is it possible that there are people like the so-called Sky Marshals on board?

I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop ever since 9/11. And so many people out there just don't seem to "get it".

I am the Jew your Imam warned you about... ;-)

Me and you both, Babba.

#49 liberality

Somalia, First WTC, Khobar Towers, 2 African embassies, U.S.S. Cole, or 9/11 ring any bells? Those are what educated people call "acts of war". If you'd like to "oppose U.S. foreign policy" please do it in Florida or Texas. Thank you.

Thank you also, mrsoc, it sounds lovely. I hope to be able to visit sometime.

So...let me get this right.

I put posters on my wall of nude playboy bunnies, that doesn't make me a perv then?

The "Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck" theory is no longer applicable?

#63 davesax
that makes me very happy.

Having walls dedicated to a terrorist and having bomb-making materials surely is at least EVIDENCE of terrorism. Can't believe there is anyone willfully blind enough that one would have to explain that to them.

I'd tend toward saying itis enough evidence to constitute proof, even.

the last season of Sopranos one of their scams was airbags, apparently there is alot of money in that on the black market.

Linberality is Gordon's retarded brother.

My favorite thing to do on a summer afternoon is to put on a shirt that has an Israeli flag on the front and walk down Atantic avenue wearing funky sunglasses and a yarmulka, while I blast klezmer music from by boom box and wave to my fellow Brooklynites on their way to a video store with Hamas posters in the window. Good stuff.

#49 liberality

Well, there isn't, is there, unless we are now defining 'terrorism' as holding any idea contrary to U.S. foreign policy.

Typical liberal. Concentrate on one fact, and disregard all the others. The fact that there were pipe bomb making materials there is of no consequence. Better to not let details like that enter into the thought process.

Come on now - we all know Elliot Spitzer is too busy to prosecute this - he has en election campaign to run, oops, I mean he has to tame Wall Street...

where newspaper clippings about Osama bin Laden and beheadings in Iraq covered the walls, authorities said.

Obviously just fans. Are we now going to go after Mets supporters with penants on their living-room walls?

/sarc

#71 davesax
So... when do we get married, then?
LOL! ;-)

#7 Kylaer

I wonder how much of a bang you could produce if you took all the explosive compound (sodium azide) out of each of those airbags.

Maybe not so much of a bang, but it can react with metal to produce a toxic gas.

CDC Facts About Sodium Azide

When it is mixed with water or an acid, sodium azide changes rapidly to a toxic gas with a pungent (sharp) odor. It also changes into a toxic gas when it comes in contact with solid metals (for example, when it is poured into a drain pipe containing lead or copper).

In one case, sodium azide was poured into a drain, where it exploded and the toxic gas was inhaled (breathed in).

Sounds like a material someone could use to make a DIY poison gas attack on a building. (Why does the Jewish Home for the Aged immediately come to mind?)

@53 mrsoc

*LOL

If you're raising your kids there, it can't be so terrible. Probably like all others, has its balance of good and bad.
Kind makes you wanna just walk some of the neighbourhoods though and ingest the American pie attitude. :)

#36 Americain
Thanks for the information. Technologically speaking, I'm still in the Stone Age.

#46 Marine Mom
I'm with you, except for the "deport" part. They'll just keep getting in.
Instead of "jail or deport" how about "jail or execute"?

Beagle:

In this particular instance, there is no evidence of terrorism. These people obviously sypmathize with terrorists, but that is not against the law yet. They are guilty of nothing more than hyprocrisy for living and earning in the country they apparently hate.

#49 liberality 4/27/2005 09:43AM PDT

Authorities say there is no evidence of terrorism.
Well, there isn't, is there, unless we are now defining 'terrorism' as holding any idea contrary to U.S. foreign policy.

Once again, Lib, you uterly missed the point. Nobody here or in the article said having ANY view contrary to US policy is terrorism. So please stop inserting that silly illogic into your thought processes before it does your brain irreparable harm.

To clarify for you: "evidence of terrorism" is indicated in a convicted violent criminal having a great affection for Osama and an admiration for beheadings. If you don't suspect he may have more than an academic interest in Islamic terror then you are one naive fool.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

;-) BabbaZee

What a wonderful opportunity for FBI to cross train as firefighters. Knock knock knock…Fire Inspectors coming through, no search warrant needed. Outa da way! A low tech way of cracking down on these terrorists. It’s beautiful in its simplicity.

davesax
I am running the I am the Jew Your Imam Warned You About on t-shirts
do you want one?

#79 liberality

In this particular instance, there is no evidence of terrorism. These people obviously sypmathize with terrorists, but that is not against the law yet. They are guilty of nothing more than hyprocrisy for living and earning in the country they apparently hate.

See my post #72. Leaving out pertinent facts may fly with your liberal, brain dead friends, but here we do not disregard those facts.

Now go tell your mother that you were bad again, and sod off swampy!

#68 Renna

Having walls dedicated to a terrorist and having bomb-making materials surely is at least EVIDENCE of terrorism.

It's evidence of solicitation, conspiracy, attempt, motive, or the plotting phase at least. If this guy was white and belonged to the New York Militia, there would be charges filed already. If the legal system waits for the "boom" before doing anything the legal system is useless in fighting terrorism.

#71 davesax
ROFLMAO
mah brothah! Or, if you prefer: !אכי

and the FBI-NYPD joint terrorist task force was called in

Which they always call in when they don't think it is a terrorist cell.

OTOH, maybe the key word is cell. Perhaps freelancers.

Let me clarify: There is no evidence here that this guy is indeed a terrorist. Lots of convenience store owners have materials for making pipe bombs. What do you think a convenience store is for?

[Link: hypertextbook.com...]

Brooklyn had a population of almost 2.5 million as of 2000.

pdotfu #57 -

Pioneer Street is in the Red Hook section, right on the East River across from Manhattan. Red Hook used to be a grungy industrial dockside area that is now being gentrified. It's an up and coming section of the city, where real estate values will be skyrocketing very soon.

farng! #62 -

The NYC public transportation system is humongous. There are transit cops around, and they do look out for suspicious packages and behaviors, but the system is simply too big for there to be security people on every bus and every car of every subway.

Hmmm ... a convicted arsonist ... a terrorist supporter ...

I wonder how quick the FDNY would be to respond to an alarm at his place ...

Actually, knowing the FDNY, plenty quick, not that the SOB deserves it.

I don't think the airbags were for any explosives-type use. But if the article is correct that they go for $750 - 1000 each, and there were 200 of them, that's $150,000 to $200,000 in black market cash sitting there. You can buy an awful lot of bad stuff for that kind of untraced $$$.

Maybe this is a gift from above. Maybe the FDNY inspection prevented a bomb from going off on a packed MTA bus in a Jewish neighborhood in the next few weeks.

It isn't a big leap to think that Muslims who are willing to break US law and who idolize a man responsible for thousands of American deaths in their own city wouldn't try to kill some Yahoods and infidels for Allah.

#83 BabbaZee
Please, oh please, can I get one? How about one with my pic on the back, holding my favorite rifle?

Help is on the way.

#80 Kenneth

To clarify for you: "evidence of terrorism" is indicated in a convicted violent criminal having a great affection for Osama and an admiration for beheadings. If you don't suspect he may have more than an academic interest in Islamic terror then you are one naive fool.

You forgot to mention the pipe bomb making materials and the former conviction for conspiricy. Taken together with what you did mention, no sound minded person could walk away from reading this saying, "It's just about freedom to hate U.S. foreign policy."

Soldier send me a mail

Authorities, however, did not believe they had stumbled onto a terrorist cell, even though the room contained some materials that could be used to fashion pipe bombs, sources said.

Hey so the guy has an Auto Parts Business...what's the big deal?

Audeh Hamdan of Brooklyn owns the three-story building, which has 11 outstanding code violations on file with the city, records show. Hamdan, 53, of Brooklyn, served jail time in the late 1970s and early 1980s for arson, reckless endangerment, weapons possession and conspiracy, according to the records. He could not be reached for comment.

All of this is false and was gathered under the Bush administration's Patriot Act. Ask c.a.i.r...LOL.

Do I really need a tag?

Greg Kelly Fox News...call your Father, Ray Kelly NYPD maybe someone just hasn't let him know...unless of course his department planted this stuff, as c.a.i.r. probably will say...lol.

What a joke...a f***ing joke. Odds on what NYC building is next?...let's start a pool.

liberality is the new poster that I have to ask about:

Can anyone possibly be this stupid?

So here's a question for the lawyers out there. If firefighters find evidence of a crime (not necessarily terrorism) during a routine inspection, can the evidence be used in court? Or could the claim be made that there wasn't a proper warrant?

Anyone?

#76 WWtW

Maybe not so much of a bang, but it can react with metal to produce a toxic gas.

Not only that, but NaN₃ is nearly as toxic as sodium cyanide, and can cause death within half an hour if ingested. It is also used as a detonator for more powerful explosives.

More fun stuff, from OSHA

The NIOSH recommended exposure limit is 0.3 mg/m

Hamdan, 53, of Brooklyn, served jail time in the late 1970s and early 1980s for arson, reckless endangerment, weapons possession and conspiracy, according to the records. He could not be reached for comment.

Occupayyyshun, humillliashun, racism, ISLAMOPHOBIA

MUWAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

IrishJean #73-

If you could explain to me how the Attorney General of the State of New York, instead of the NYC DA, would have jurisdiction over something that happened in Brooklyn, then I'd take your comment seriously.

#76 WWtW

Reacting with water or acids, sodium azide will release hydrogen azide (HN₃) which is toxic but will decompose quickly - to ammonia, maybe. I do not see this as major risk. Sodium azide is very toxic by ingestion.

It's not a big deal as explosive, but it can be used to manufacture the more powerful primary explosive lead azide - however, that's a quite dangerous procedure.

Maybe it's just a gang of airbag traffickers. However, I think that fans of OBL and the head-choppers should have their arse investigated.

200 vehicle airbags

the air bags — which sell for about $750 to $1,000 each

Crime pays.

Gordon's retarded brother-

A terrorist sympathizer engaged in widespread illegal activities doesn't mean anything to you?

#79 liberality

Anyone who sympathizes with jihadi terrorists - if proven - should be sent to a re-spawning point somewhere on the Arabian Peninsula. Either that or they should be tried before a military tribunal. I'm sick of extending constitutional protections - during a war - to those who would use the Constitution for toilet paper and view our judicial system, rightly, as a joke.

Your views on this subject square perfectly with the libs I used to debate over at another website. Nothing ever changes in your world.

One reason I can't practice law right now is the research I've done on Islam. Until the law catches up with my knowledge, I could not even permit a Muslim to swear to tell the truth by putting his hand on a Koran.

#79 liberality

Here is the evidence you insist on ignoring:

1. Possession of stolen property, including explosives
2. Possession of pipe bomb materials
3. A large collection of news clippings about Osama & Iraqi terrorists.
4. A criminal record for violent crime.

That may not be enough evidence to convict him of planning a specific terrorist attack, but it is evidence that a man with a violent criminal record, with terrorist sympathies, was preparing to build bombs.

If you still can't follow that clear logic, Libby, consider this:

You enter my aprtment and find in the kitchen several pile of food, pictures of Emiral Lagasse and an open cookbook. Would you say there is "no eveidence" I was planning to make dinner?

You are a fool.

/Kolumbo

I think you have stumbled on a great concept.
The'll be an FBI agent in every agency. Hospitals...
- We got a bleeder here!
-Whoa- I'm an FBI agent not a surgeon.
- Stop screwing around doc a let's get to work.
- No I'm really an FBI agent.

#102 - it's a joke.

More fun stuff about sodium azide from OSHA

The NIOSH recommended exposure limit is 0.3 mg/m³.

1) In water, sodium azide exists in ionic equilibrium with hydrazoic acid (HN3), the latter being favored in acidic solutions and a likely participant in toxic effects. OSHA does not have a PEL for either substance. 2) NIOSH does not have an IDLH level for sodium azide, but a literature review of 185 cases reported that fatalities occurred at exposures of 10 mg/kg of body weight or greater, whereas nonlethal acute exposures involved doses of 2 mg/kg or less. 3) Red blood cells, perhaps via the enzyme catalase, can convert azide to nitric oxide, a potent vasodilator.

This means if you put enough of it into the drinking water supply for a city or a section of a city, you can make people really, really sick (though you'd have to put in a LOT before they'd actually die). Does anyone know how much sodium azide is in a standard air bag apparatus?

kayawanee :

Most kitchens in America have materials for making a pipe bomb. According to Chuck Palahniuk in Fight Club, all you need for naplam is gasoline and frozen orange juice. The authorities have not charged this man for "some materials that could be used to fashion pipe bombs," so the fact remains: there is no evidence of terrorism in this particular case.

Thank you for shopping at Superior Food Market. Would you like paper or plastic air bag?

WRONG on all sides people. The pipe bomb material is the same type of stuff that is used to make Chinese fireworks. So, now we should deport the Chinese, right?

Thought so.

And Osama Bin Laden posters are no big deal. In fact, they are probably just photos of Gene Simmons without his makeup on and a Photo Shopped beard and turban.

For all we know, this guy is really just some graphic designer who dabbles in Photo Shopping Gene Simmons photos and makes Chinese fireworks in his spare time.

Wake up.

They are probably selling the airbags to either fund jihadis in Iraq or Israel, or maybe to fund terror activities in Brooklyn.

#107 Kenneth

If you still can't follow that clear logic, Libby, consider this: You enter my aprtment and find in the kitchen several pile of food, pictures of Emiral Lagasse and an open cookbook. Would you say there is "no eveidence" I was planning to make dinner?

LOL! I wish I could construct such an applicable analogy and make it funny, too. Alas, my funny bone and my serious bones never function well together. Bravo!

#111 liberality

Gasoline & frozen orange juice won't make anything like napalm.

On the other hand, a mixture of sodium salts of fatty acids (which is a common item under a name I won't tell) can work as a fuel thickener agent...

This sounds like a place that sells stolen air bags, but the chemical angle got me thinking. In any case, it's a criminal enterprise, and those newpaper clippings will get them federal racial profiling and harrassment attention. As somebody posted earlier, you can do a lot of bad things with a good cash flow.

Hamdan, 53, of Brooklyn, served jail time in the late 1970s and early 1980s for arson, reckless endangerment, weapons possession and conspiracy, according to the records. He could not be reached for comment.

Maybe he needs his own weblog or they could draw conclusions from the supermarket walls.

#106 Beagle

One reason I can't practice law right now is the research I've done on Islam. Until the law catches up with my knowledge, I could not even permit a Muslim to swear to tell the truth by putting his hand on a Koran.

Could you not use your knowledge as a tool to impeach the testimony of hostile witnesses?

Liberality

What size Burka do you wear and what color would best please your husband?
~Women's Sharia Comittee of Brooklyn

#18 BIG

What is wrong with America? Now people are getting arrested because of bad interior decorating!

It's not the 'getting arrested' that's 'wrong' with us... it's the resultant sentence of being required to watch Seasons 1 - 5 of "Queer Eye for the Terrorist Guy".

The ACLU sent me a kit of materials to urge the NY legislators to overturn the Patriot Act.

I xeroxed my "Another Democrat for Bush" bumper sticker and mailed it back to them, in their postage-paid envelope, with this notation:

I would refute your lies and misinformation point by point, but it would be futile.

You're on the other side.

And, thinking of John Hancock, signed my name REAL BIG.

Folks, if these organizations send you stuff, by all means send them your opinion by postage-paid mail. A slight but definite satisfaction, since they have to pay for it. :-)

you want to find an Islamist Terrorist in Brooklyn?...Atlantic ave near Flatbush-Boreum Hill area...good fishing over there...I get the creeps just walking/driving by all those store fronts...

#111 liberality

kayawanee : Most kitchens in America have materials for making a pipe bomb. According to Chuck Palahniuk in Fight Club, all you need for naplam is gasoline and frozen orange juice.

"Fight Club" is fictional as is your ability to understand the obvious.

Kenneth and Kayawanee

Liberality is right on. As it said, lots of pipe bombs are made using frozen orange juice, specifically Tropicana Pure Premium. This means every person who drinks orange juice is a potential pipe bomber. Therefore, you can't drink orange juice in an Arab owned market with Osama Bin Laden posters, you can't make pipe bombs, and you can't arrest people who like oranges and/or pipe bombs.

Wake up.

Here we go again. Motivated by Islam, celebrates Jihadist exploits, gathers material typical of terror planners … but not connected with an officially recognized terror group. This PC crap has got to stop. As long as we blind ourselves to the religious and ideological basis of this movement, we will fail to deal with it adequately.

It’s the religion, stupid!

#124 kaywanee

Actually, Fight Club has it quite right about soap & fun with glycerine...

Fabio

I bet if I mixed the carboxymethylcelluose I could find in any oil field service company yard with gasoline I could make a pretty decent version of napalm.

The wait for the engines at the next fire in that building will be

A) 1 Min

B) 4 Min

C) What alarm? You hear any alarm?

#113 davesax

The pipe bomb material is the same type of stuff that is used to make Chinese fireworks. So, now we should deport the Chinese, right?

Again with the stupid "argument ad nauseum". No, Davesux, you don't deport ALL Chinese because firecrackers contain explosives. That would be just as stupid as the fool who suggested the analogy (that would be you, Dave). But if a particular person, of Chinese origin, had a criminal record & possessed stolen property and had pro-terrorists documents in his possession, then yes, you deport his ass back to China, after first getting as much information as you can out of him.

By your same tortured logic you would insist box-cutters are not terrorist waepons and that up until the moment the plane hit the buiding, Mohammed Atta might have been trying to save the plane from crashing or maybe just going on a sight-seeing tour of Manhattan so we should all just give him the benefit of the doubt.

Idiot!

#128 Ed...

Sure, with some knowledge of chemistry it is possible to do a lot of things.

BTW, my avocado pit is starting to crack open.

I think the ones who should be arrested are the people with lactose intolerance, because if they eat cheese cake they can do more damage than any pipebomber.

You're not facing reality, people.

For all we know, this guy is really just some graphic designer who dabbles in Photo Shopping Gene Simmons photos and makes Chinese fireworks in his spare time.

Doesn't everyone?

#129 thepoguemahone

The wait for the engines at the next fire in that building will be:

Very astute my Irish friend. I'd bet on "C) What alarm? You hear any alarm?".

Kenneth

Wow, that was mean. I was joking around, and if you read my other posts, that would have been obvious.

The Davesux thing was kind of creative, though. Never heard that one, before.

FabioC.

Hey fellow ignoramous...it's ME, your paisano ignorant friend here...LOL.

Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Senator Chuck Schumer (both Jewish) should be all over these guys. NYC bodegas are cash businesses, dealing in products of dubious procurement to begin with, and this one happens to have OBL plastered on the office walls and is located in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood known worldwide for previous racial tension.

But of course, the politicians don't want to create the appearance of racial profiling this close to an election.

davesax, are you trying humor/satire or are you serious?

In the first case, I'd advise some more practice (read Iowahawk, for example).

In the second... I'll just say you are a fool.

#136 Elcid

What?

Anyway, I don't want to disclose all my knowledge of certain subjects in such a public place.

#130 Kenneth

You've got to get your sarcasm meter running. davesax is being sarcastic. He just doesn't use the tags.

Now apologize to him and shake hands! =)

Hamdan, 53, of Brooklyn, served jail time in the late 1970s and early 1980s for arson, reckless endangerment, weapons possession and conspiracy, according to the records. He could not be reached for comment.

I hope the authorities are watching the airports, so this scumbag airbag thief doesn't get on the next plane to Damascus or Amman.

I am confident that once the cops and/or the Feds start looking into this guy's creative bookkeeping practices, his charitable donations, and those interesting pipe bomb makings, they will be charging him with a vertitable smorgasbord of offenses.

So, its 1942, and the FDNY discovers a room full of Adolf Hitler posters, copies of Der Sturmer and a dog-eared copy of Mein Kampf, along with a short wave radio, and photographs of ships at the Brooklyn Navy Yard..

Nope, nothing to see, no reason to jump to conclusions.

He hasn't been charged with a crime; therefore, there is no evidence of a crime?

Because there are never cases where there is some evidence, but considered insufficient, where a person isn't charged.

Nope, doesn't happen. If there was any evidence whatsoever, they would have been arrested. Happens every time, it does.

Even more, there are never cases where there IS sufficient evidence, but the person still isn't arrested because of ineptitude, corruption, bargains, ongoing investigations, jurisdiction issues, etc.

/trying to "think" like a moonbat

131 FabioC.

BTW, my avocado pit is starting to crack open.

Jesus...do you need a splint?..maybe we can ask..ai, huh?..:).

Wow, now you with insults, Fabio.

Thanks for recommending Iowahawk, though. I've read him, and he just doesn't do it for me.

How does a guy with that kind of criminal background get a loan from a bank to own a building? ...Could the money be dirty? Hmmm.

I miss the blogger known as "Allah".

139 FabioC./p>

What?

Joke my friend..

#135 davesax

If you were being ironic, I'm sorry I missed it. Your posts were just too similar to Liberality's.

Please forgive my typos, I frequently misspell common words.

#125 davesax
Man, I didn't know all that crap. Thanks. I'm gonna see if I can get my jarhead EOD buddy to come disarm the 'fridge.

Just a sec. The owner of the building - the one with a criminal record - is not necessarily the owner of the store. We don't know anythng about the owners of the store do we?

rcris5 -

What "bank loan"? They don't need no steenkin' bank loans. There's plenty of cash available out there for good jihadis to enable them to carry on their important work.

#151

We know they were POS osama fans.

#145 davesax

You know, the whole body language thing is missing on web forums...

Anyway, I think "fool" is pretty mild.

On topic:

Authorities, however, did not believe they had stumbled onto a terrorist cell, even though the room contained some materials that could be used to fashion pipe bombs, sources said.

Is this paragraph referring to the explosive in the airbags themselves, or different materials?

Ah, sodium azide is also quite sensitive, so it's not a very good idea to dismantle airbags to recover it - may cause premature splodeydopidation.

#140 kayawanee

Yeah, I finally twigged on to it with the Tropicana bit. The funny thing is people like liberality would actually believe that nonsense.

Pax, Davesax.

Kenneth

If you were being ironic, I'm sorry I missed it. Your posts were just too similar to Liberality's.

No problem. Maybe I went too far.

Soldier

I'm gonna see if I can get my jarhead EOD buddy to come disarm the 'fridge.

LOL

Authorities, however, did not believe they had stumbled onto a terrorist cell, even though the room contained some materials that could be used to fashion pipe bombs, sources said.

What ,exactly, is their definition of a terror cell? Are they only a terror cell after they've blown up a building or something?

How is our country being protected when the autorities have this mentality?

grayp #151 -

Correct. The supermarket operator may not be the owner of the building and vice versa. The owner may have leased the supermarket to a person or other entity.

However, an owner is responsible for what goes on on the owner's property in terms of code violations, etc.

Firefighters found more than 200 vehicle airbags believed to be stolen in the back room of a Brooklyn supermarket, where newspaper clippings about Osama bin Laden and beheadings in Iraq covered the walls, authorities said.

The firefighters from Ladder Co. 123 conducting a routine inspection, discovered the air bags — which sell for about $750 to $1,000 each — at the Superior Food Market at 1503 St. John’s Place in Crown Heights. Firefighters notified cops, and the FBI-NYPD joint terrorist task force was called in to search the building.

I think we can all take comfort in knowing that this guy Hamdan isn't going anywhere (other than Attica) for awhile. 200 airbags at roughly 1,000 dollars a piece? That's quite a criminal enterprise. Might even qualify as as racketeering under New York state's OC statutes. Hamadan is also a career criminal and a jury would find him to be a very unsympathetic character.

Brooklyn is home to nearly 2.5 million New Yorkers according to the last census. Used to live there back in the day. You can pull up maps and other demographic, economic, and other data here. During the 1990s there was a plot to blow up the subway system, including the station at Atlantic Avenue, which is near one of the larger concentrations of Arab-Americans in the US.

Then, there's the terrorists convicted of funding terrorists elsewhere, who used his Brooklyn mosque to raise terror funds.

In other words, it's pretty damn easy (not to mention scary) for a group of terrorists to live among decent folks without raising suspicions.

We fixin' to have a blue on blue here folks? :(

Airbags used to classified by the DOT as class 1, explosives, but the newer ones are Class 9, like Misc Hazmat or something.
I wonder how old these were? Nah, it's much more likely they were stolen for money.

Fabio,

I wondered about what exactly constituted pipe bomb materials.

One would think that simply having pipes wouldn't qualify, although undoubtably they are components of a pipe bomb. (Don't think OJ qualifies either)

So I would presume something rather incriminating that doesn't have a more normal, innocent use in your average apartment. Fuses, pipes cut to length, instructions, for example.

This is what a pipe bomb is:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Re:

"Hamdan, 53, of Brooklyn, served jail time in the late 1970s and early 1980s for arson, reckless endangerment, weapons possession and conspiracy, according to the records. He could not be reached for comment."

Couldn't be reached for comment - go figure.

#163 Renna

I would look for plans or instructions on how to build bombs, partially built bombs, stockpiles of parts, violent propaganda, a criminal record for arson. Stuff like that.

Do not frequent muslim businesses! They are all in bed with the terrorists, that are killing our Troops.

If the BATF won't act, maybe the FBI will.

#153 Murqtaad

We know they were POS osama fans.

That's still better than being POS Yankees fans.

Short pieces of pipe that are obviously unsuitable for plumbing work, or the equipment to cut pipe (which presumably has no place in a supermarket), caps, explosives, stuff like that.

Interigation, Deportation, Execution.

Every one of them should get the first. Based on what we get, we should then decide the second or third.

/if only...

#163 Renna

The tone of the article seems to imply that, besides the airbags, there was no other explosive/pyrotechnic material. Of course there is a problem with the accuracy of the report, but it seems to refer to quite innocent materials - maybe a length of pipe and some caps.

Of course, even that plus the interior decoration would be enough to justify a thorough investigation.

My wife and I call Atlantic Avenue, from Flatbush to the river, "little Arabia" to better reflect its character: filth and chaos interspersed with Islamic booksellers, hallal food, and clothing stores (my personal favorite is "Islam Fashion" - complete with burqas, chaldors, and hijabs in the window)...

...and anchoring little Arabia is the Al-Faroq Mosque, which is a major fundraiser for head-chopping holy warriors the world over. But, alas, the Mosque is untouchable: our local news, politicians, and community "activists" - like good little dhimmis - fall over themselves to appease the Mosque, sanitizing and whitewashing its activities, keeping all of us little dhimmis in the dark about what the future holds...

#164 Amy

That's for beginners, Pipebomb 101 ;)

#173 aurelian,

They are filthy and stinky aren't they? Hygiene is not in their vocabulary or practice.

Liberality:

Before 9/11 having a box cutter in your possesion on an airliner would not have been considered "evidence of terrorism" either.

Im sure the NYPD (who lost so many brothers) will be looking at these guys with a microscope.

#111: The beauty of terrorism is that there is seldom evidence of it beforehand. Remember the good old days when box-cutters on board an aircraft would not have been considered a terrorist act?

#176: Damn, are we on a similar wavelength or what?

#172 FabioC.

Of course, even that plus the interior decoration would be enough to justify a thorough investigation.

Wow. Ya' think?

#175 'Nam Grunt

Hey careful there, my friend. You don't want to draw the fire of the PC police again for calling murdering terrorists "dirty". That might hurt their feelings.

Yes, I wish they were more specific. I don't think they materials would have been something as simple as the pipes themselves. That's what I was trying to say. They had to be more bomb-specific, if you will, meaning things that you just normally don't have unless you're building a pipe bomb. But, yes, it doesn't sound like those parts included the explosive part (yet).

#49 liberality

Authorities say there is no evidence of terrorism.

Well, there isn't, is there, unless we are now defining 'terrorism' as holding any idea contrary to U.S. foreign policy.

You're right! This season's home decorating idea is wallpaper of beheadings. This shop was just a few months ahead (pun intended) of its time.

Tsk-tsk.

#180 Kenneth,

I smell them as I see them!

Another possible explanation is that these guys were into the airbag blackmarket in order to finance the jihad.
And that's a serious thing too.

"Contrary to US policy"...you know, I like the policy of not getting killed, so I may get a little upset when people have pictures of mass-murderers who want to commit genocide, bomb making materials, outstanding violations, and criminal records.

liberality needs a good fisking to wake his/her ass up!

Have to run to the day job. Later, lizardoids.

Acccording to the movies Superman and Peter Pan, people can fly. So it's true right? I have two sources.

#183 #180

Have you ever been in an Halal butcher shop? I made the mistake of going in one once (long story)and it reeked of shit and offal. Yecch.

Just like the back room of the Superior Market, no doubt.

#188 Megan

Sorry, but Superman is a Kryptonian, not a person, so therefore you still have only one source that people can fly.

But there was this guy once named Willy Wonka, who made this candy that...

:-D

#119 American Soldier

Could you not use your knowledge as a tool to impeach the testimony of hostile witnesses?

Religion is a "protected class". This factoid keeps CAIR lawyers up all night laughing at us.

Ha! Rush just mentioned LGF!

#192

We got a mention from the Godfather!?!

Uh oh, brace yourselves, lads. I could start getting as slow in here as the time we were linked from Drudge.

PIMF! "It", not "I"

#192 Marine Mom

Ha! Rush just mentioned LGF!

What was the context? Was it an honorable mention?

Let's see, in Iraq they get a hold of Zarqawi's laptop, then two days later police raid what seems to be a terror cell in Brooklyn.

Connection?

wordwarp -

Since the firemen were there first and then called the cops in, I doubt there's any connection.

#195 kayawanee

The context was Melody Townsall's stuff Charles posted yesterday...

#195 Kayawanee-
Definitely an honorable mention-
He was talking about the John Bolton accuser-
Melody Townsel, committing plagiarism.
From an earlier thread today.
He said he saw it on Little Green Footballs.

#199 Marine Momma

Not to split hairs, but as I recall, he said he was on LGF last night and was referring to yesterday's thread. Of course, I can't even spell Townsel, so...

:)

#200 Chris
You are correct-
Marine Mom

#196 - WordWarp

They found Zarqawi's computer 2 months ago, not 2 days ago. They are on to bigger & better things, if the release of that little tidbit of info has been made.

#196 wordwarp

They found Zarqawi's laptop in February. If it contained information about a terrorist cell in the US, the authorities would have raided it with more than a fire code inspection.

If air bag initiators have been re-classified as less than a class 1 explosive, I suspect manufacturers have reformulated the basic NaN3 charge to make it less sensitive, or possibly less easily converted to lead azide. However I believe it is still based on NaN3 (Sodium Azide)

Making a high explosive from sodium azide is child's play. In my youth in the 60's I made small batches numerous times. Only slightly more difficult is making mercury fulminate, which I also did more than once. Either commodity have been commonly used as initiator for high explosives- ammunition, munitions and dynamite. Don't know how much would be required, but I am sure they could both be used to initiate ANFO mixtures as well. Possessing 200+ stolen air bags will surely raise a red flag somewhere in DHS.

Air bag triggers make Great detonators. Perfect for fuel/fertizer bombs and flame fugas weapons(napalm ejecting oil drums). All that is needed is an accellerant and container.

Used to play with flame weapons before the army gave up offensive weaponry.

Stan

#177 lthrnck:

Same minute too!

He owns the entire property

Owner Name: Borough:
Block:
Lot:

BROOKLYN
1379
46

AUDEH HAMDAN
Property Address and Zip Code:
1503 ST JOHN'S PLACE 11213
Real Estate Billing Name and Address: Tax Class: 1
AUDEH HAMDAN
PO BOX 297107
BROOKLYN NY 11229

Who cares about small fry. Here is a big fish with his American Mistress:

hyperion.hmdnsgroup.com/~malkin/archives /pictures/hands.jpg

Um, I hate to tell you but if mixed with one other chemical it becomes a "contact" explosive...no need to specify that other chemical here (and I hope no one else will either). I once watched a friend shoot an empty Hellmann's Mayo
jar from 15' with a pellet gun - there was only dust reminiscent
on the inside - quite an impressive explosion ! Luckily no eyes were lost, but we were stunned at the result. Just a dash Ahhh, to be a kid again. !carefully enclosed in tin foil
(no larger in diameter than under water fireworks fuse - think M-80 type fuse) would leave a crater in the ground the size of John Wayne's outstretched hand...potent stuff. In case your wondering who your dealing with here - we got the directions to make this stuff, the chemicals, the fuse etc.
out of the back of Popular Science Magazine under "science & Chemistry" (60's). We were just kids and the UPS truck would deliver it right to ones door ! Said friends parents were not home in time from work to intercept delivery. You did have to sign a the piece cut out from the magazine "certifying" you were 18. They even sent us official "Basement Bombers Club" cards for our wallets ! My case was the one that put an end to these ads (also why I can't type for sh.t ! Ah, to be a kid again. At least in the 60's we never imagined bringing any of this to school - let alone guns etc. Those were simpler times..

Ex-American splodydope

#209 pimf - I'm not even going to bother on this one...sigh

#204 raymondshaw

Reading the page bottom to top - just read yours ! Did you make it through with all digits, eyes intact ? Lead Azide was what I was referring to - since you almost spelled it out
what the hell ? I just don't want to contribute to anyone thinking this stuff is anything to play with - I went through hell and can't even imagine what my parents went through - wondering if your the pal that I had with the tubes, refridge etc., for making the mercury fulminate - as I remember, if it starting giving off a reddish smoke the temp. was off and time to clear the room by any means necessary (open window, closed window, sheet rock ). !