Pathetic excuse for a thinking human being.

My first post ever.

Ok, let me get this right, he supports the death of his own son, but not of himself? Nice nut-job.

They are our REAL enemy.

Americanization is their enemy. It is impossible for these people to see humanity first in anything. America must fall. That is their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

The disparate Iraqi resistance is the legitimate manifestation of a national liberation movement.

A national liberation movement made up of Syrians, Egyptians, Saudis, French and other Sunni Muslims?

I sleep well at night knowing there is a Hell where people like this go to.

On a lighter note, glad to be here. I've been lurking for about half a year and finally got registered.

Finally I have official minion status.

This fool could not be more wrong. Far from being a national liberation movement, the Iraqi "insurgency" is last vestiges of a corrupt regime. It is the Sunni Baathists of Saddam Hussein and the Islamofascists of Iran that are behind this insurgency. The Kurds and Shiities, which comprise 80% of the Iraqi population, do not suport the terrorists. If this fool knew anything about history he would be supporting those folks who came out to vote for political leadership in January and not those who seek to impose their order through violence. Some peace advocate!

Why are they called Iraqi insurgents? Wouldn't a better name be foreign terrorist non-Iraqi assholes?

Damn, He sure is long winded. It must have taken him 10 paragraphs to ge to the "real reason" for the war; It's all about the Oil!

What a maroon.

#2 Sorcerer

Welcome to LGF, hon.

I suggest he go posthaste to Iraq and join the insurgents Islamofascists.

I'm sure he would be welcomed with open arms.

Or black hoods and machetes, or something.

For myself, I can say without hesitation that I support the insurgency, and would do so even if my only 21 year old son was serving in Iraq. There’s simply no other morally acceptable option.

Thanks, Dad. For Father's Day those "Freedom Fighters" are going to send you my head in a box. Enjoy!

To establish his moral bona fides, he declares that he’d even support the “insurgency” if they killed his own son.

What a sick animal!

It’s an issue that has caused anti-war Leftists the same pangs of conscience that many felt 30 years ago in their opposition to the Vietnam War.

It never fails to amaze me how liberals, who's defining characteristic is a lack of personal responsibility, attempt to convince the rest of us that they actually possess a conscience.

Mind-numbing.

HASAN,CHOP!
Whatta maroon.

Gee, thanks Dad...

Billy, I have to go with my conscience here...

That's nice Dad, my conscience just told me you are one messed up sick fuck... by hey, that's my conscience, not me saying that...

This is a parody, right? Satire?

...notion of American “Exceptionalism”.
That's one of the LLL's main problems. They refuse to accept the fact that this country strives to be the best, it's a conscious choice, not an pre-ordained fact. All those who worked and sacrificed in all those generations past should be rolling over in their collective graves over this sort of drivel.

Difficult to refrain from puking reading this.

#7 Sorcerer
Prepare to be revered and reviled!
Welcome.

3-

Ok, let me get this right, he supports the death of his own son, but not of himself?

Yep. He missed the chance to abort. No time like the present...

The disparate Iraqi resistance is the legitimate manifestation of a national liberation movement.

How can he say this with a straight face? The only thing these goons want to liberate is their fellow citizen's head from its body (or, maybe just liberating a tongue from a mouth, or a hand from an arm, or a child from its life, or the virginity from your 8 year old daughter, just for kicks). They are the remnants of one of the most brutal dictatorships in history, along with their islamic fascist fellow travellers.

It amazes me how some can be so deluded with such conviction.

Welcome, Sorcerer!

#7 Socerer

Hi, there. Welcome and enjoy!

Can I please, please, please, question his patriotism now?

Sad thing is, this guy is probably a high school teacher, college professor, state gov't employee, county social worker, librarian, or otherwise taxpayer-funded job and can't be touched.

Either that, or he makes my latte at Starbucks.

Wow, I actually got to the middle of the article before the "Blood for Oil" hysteria was brought out.

Further proof that the Left has thrown way its moral compass.

How about this argument made in the article:

A recent poll conducted in the Middle East (released by the Center for Strategic Studies) shows that “for more than 85% of the population in four of the five countries polled (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine) thought the US war on Iraq was an act of terrorism”. Lebanon polled at 64%.

Of course no polls from Iraq are cited, because the majority are glad Saddam is gone.

Or this statement:

At this point, we should be able to agree that the people of Iraq were better off under Saddam Hussein in every quantifiable way than they are today.

Again, opinion polls from Iraq contradict this statement. Oh yeah, I forgot the Left considers the "truth" to be only one version of reality, all versions of rwality being equal even those based on fantasy.

A kid would be better off with Michael Jackson as a parent.

# 10 Semper Grumpy

So what if its all about the oil. Our economy runs on oil and this asshole drives a car, his house is heated by oil etc.

More importantly is that the "spector of disloyalty" does not weigh heavy enough for this sack of shit and the rest of his ilk.

More Iraqi civilians have died at the hands of these murderous animals than American troops, thats for certain.

The face of the Iraqi "insurgency" is not the face of a "resistance" movement.

It is the face of evil.

It is the face of indiscriminate mass murder, misogyny, Jew/Christian hatred and ethnic cleansing. This is why we are in Iraq and why we must fight this ideology where it is most prevalent.

This is who you support, leftists. You have betrayed every concept of human dignity and basic morality that you claim to uphold. You are bitter, pathetic hipocrits.

To not recognize this can only be attributed to willful ignorance or profound stupidity. Perhaps a bit of both?

OT:

Brit cleric warns of armed revolt.

The government is making them do it.

...talk about errors in logic, judgement and fact...

Welcome Sorcerer.

Can you conjure up some moonbatbegone and make the whack jobs disapear?

Also a newbie!

One has to wonder how people of this mentallity are able to procreate.

This guy's a self-hating American. Why don't they all just move to Fwance already! GRRR!

USMC RECON, Welcome! And Thank you!

The peace and security of the world’s people depends on the compliance of states with the clearly articulated standards of international law and the UN Charter.

That train left the station about four years ago...

He really doesn't understand we're in a war, does he? Or what war is, what it means...

It’s not the insurgency that’s killing American soldiers. It’s the self-serving strategy to control 12% of the world’s remaining petroleum and to project American military power throughout the region.

You're telling me! If it wasn't for that damn draft that Bushco imposed on the American people, this imperialism would never happen with an all-volunteer Military.

How much do you want to bet this man's son doesn't talk to him?

/I know I wouldn't

Raider Dan

Sad thing is, this guy is probably a high school teacher, college professor, state gov't employee, county social worker, librarian, or otherwise taxpayer-funded job and can't be touched.

Careful with the blanket statements there son.

I teach high school math and I can be touched very easily. Just finished fighting the board because I hurt someones little feelings.

NOT all teachers are Liberals. Unfortunately many are, and they don't keep their politics to themselves at school. I try to for the most part except to point out drastic mistruths some students spout. As a matter of course I will use the web to show these poor mislead things alternative assesments of the MSM crap they're indoctrinated in. It opens about one in five kids eyes. Some get it a little and some are little moonbat larvas

There are several teachers here at LGF

Yes, Mr. Loonbat, the Iraqi people had lots of "self-determination" under the Saddam Regime, and their civilization was admired by terrorists everywhere...just ask Abu Nidal. Oh, yeah, you can't ask him. Saddam murdered him before the American troops could get to him.

#37-
Good. He can STFU and cut my freakin' grass then.

#35 USC RECON

One has to wonder how people of this mentallity are able to procreate.

Very dark rooms and paper bags I'm guessing...

#35 USMC

/PIMF

international law and the UN Charter

Yeah, that UN Charter! It's about as useful as a 1965 TV Guide!

Oh how very brave.

Most parents would readily give
up their lives to save their
children.

And here in the USA - and also
in other truly moral countries,
such as Israel - most parents
would give up their lives to save
other children.

This (words fail me) would give
up his son's life to save himself.
Proving, yet again, that today's
moralizing LLL is really just
another example of Nazi ideology.

Didn't party members there turn in
their own children if they weren't
ideologically "pure" enough?

With jerks like him, his son will be fighting over here anyway - no use going over there. What a dope!

#37 Rayra

Snohomish? I've got married friends there, both reservists; one went to Afghanistan for 6 months and his wife went to Iraq for 9. Need to let them know about this so they don't give their money to the wrong landscaper.

Dirty, mindless, immoral twit.

This is the disease of living with privilege and not being gratefull

SBS
Spoiled Brat Syndrome

People who spit in the face of those who support them

Like teenagers who hate their parents

Yeah I'll elect/listen someone like that to protect my family -- sure...

Reminds me of blacks who attack firefighters putting out fires in their neighborhoods because they were white

Mental Patients

DOME

Disease of Moral Equivalence

Those who live without absolute truths do not live at all

I see Mikey lives in Washington state...and he thoughtfully included his e-mail address at the bottom of his screed.

Washington state is really only Seattle, Tacoma and Olympia just as Oregon is really only Portland, Salem and Eugene. All other towns and areas in both states are completely overwhelmed politically by the Democrat machines operating in Seattle and Portland. I live in one of these states and have intimate knowledge of the other. Let me tell you, folks, it ain't pretty and it ain't a very "welcoming" and "inclusive" place for a broken down old conservative Vietnam vet to live. The scenery is nice though.

Anybody see these on campus?

Subject : Tunnel of Oppression
Date/Time : 05-04-2005 (10:00am to 7:00pm)
Location : Stamp Student Union
Event type : diversity special event
Charges : FREE

The Tunnel of Oppression is a student-led initiative intended to raise awareness around issues of oppression in today's society. It is an interactive, multi-sensory educational experience for students and campus community members. Beyond creating awareness, it is intended to provide individuals with social justice resources and outlets available at the university and within the surrounding communities.

Here's how the website describes it.

This year's themes are:
(1) Tools of Oppression
(2) Women's Issues
(3) Racial Oppression
(4) LGBT Issues
(5) Religious Oppression **this room is pending**

As part of the program, participants are led through museum style series of connected rooms which each ask the participants to experience various forms of oppression. Participants are challenged to consider how oppression and the advantages incurred have an effect on them, as well as the individuals and groups around them.

Wonder if there's a room** asking folks to experience sha'aria?

Today's insurgents are yesterday's oppressors.
Today's freedom fighters are yesterday's butchers of men, women and children.
Today's religious leaders are yesterday's jihadist leaders.
Today's peacekeepers were yesterday's appeasers.
Today's liberals are yesterday's quislings...
Today's lies are yesterday's lies...only some people fail to remember...

#54 mglazer
DOME
Selah!

How patriotic, he supports the deaths of American troops. Send this punk ass to leavenworth!

I wonder if this fool has read any accounts of what life was like in Fallujah when the "insurgents" were briefly in charge. This man is truly a heartless evil bastard if he is wishing that sort of rule be imposed on all the (now free) people of Iraq.

I would spit on this guy, but I need it to eat my hamburger.

Why do we even waste bandwidth on the Moonbat media? He's no one of interest writing on a site that no one with brains would read. Why bother?

#35 USMC RECON
:-)
Well, sadly, ya don't do it with your mind. Even hyenas reproduce...

The specter of disloyalty weighs heavily on all of us, even those who’ve never been inclined to wave flags or champion the notion of American “Exceptionalism”.

They may live in caves and ride camels, and allah only knows what goes on with the goats, but we are not any more 'exceptional' than they are.

jehu, you spit, I'll kick him in the balls.

#62 BrunoMitchell
All that good men need to do for evil to thrive is...nothing.

Murqtad

Can we have a civil war yet, huh, can we...PLEASE! Seems they are asking for it, IMO.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder, and this "peace activist" is living proof.

#63 Babba Zee

It is a shame these "animals" don't eat their young .

It would end a serious flaw in the gene pool.

He is correct. I suggest this psychopath contact Zarqawi for immediate enlistment in the Al-qaeda in Iraq national liberation front. He can sign on in Fallujah or Mosul and work the beheading rooms, torture chambers, rape salons, and mosque ammo dumps (redundant). He can be fitted for the requisite black hood and matching pup tent outfit. He can be given a machete, RPG, and copy of the Koran for instructions on how to use such weapons and against whom. Since the national liberation front he is so fond of is largely made up of foreign jihadis, this imbecile should fit right in. He can leave today and travel with a group of his colleagues from Syria.

I wonder how long it would be before the Zarqawi butchers would have a video of this moron kneeling in an orange jumpsuit. After about 10 minutes of listening to this ranting self-righteous fool, they would do anything to shut him up.

I feel sorry for his son. Unless he too is a suicidal moonbat.

The only real antidote to such deranged thinking would be to actually force these people to live under the sharia and make them experience, first hand, real oppression, racism, intolerance, censorship, and all the other phantoms which they are so eager to see.

With the imminent conquest of Europe and the general declining will of the Dar al-Harb, I suspect that they'll get their chance. But, I also suspect that, like the Eurabians, they will learn NOTHING from their mistakes.

Oh 'Piece' as in 'pieces of human bodies'

I though it said 'peace' as in non-violence

There is such rampant phoniness and lies in the mainstream media, academia and genral society in regards to 'liberals' and supposed peace acitivists

It is time for a major shift in socety and change from the fed up

This guy isn't merely diseased. He's spreading idealogical Ebola strain X-10. This has GOT to be a ruse or an attempt at illustration through absurdity? Please tell me it is, Charles. I refuse to believe that I co-habitate on this planet with a purveyor of this type of loonbatisitc epistemology.

/gag...wretch

#16 BabbaZee

HASAN,CHOP!

LOL! That brings back some memories. Little did I know growing up watching Bugs Bunny that it was portraying reality!

Anyone who thinks that leftists aren't just as much enemies of this country as the islamists should read this.

Currently, he is Program Director of the Snohomish County Democrats

Kind of makes it hard to dismiss him as a fringe loonie.

As a Washington state Democrat, I'm betting his enthusiasm for "self-determination" doesn't extend to a revote in that governor's election.

#66 buzzsawmonkey

"So, again--it isn't "blood for oil." But why shouldn't it be?"

You sure you meant that question?

#66 buzzsawmonkey

So, again--it isn't "blood for oil." But why shouldn't it be?

The standard answer to that would be, "because it's not ours." Invading another country for the purpose of plundering its natural resources would be the very definition of Imperialism.

On the other hand, one could make the argument that the oil is indeed ours because we invented the technology and built the infrastructure to extract it. Without that, the oil would be worth nothing to anyone since it could not be exploited.

BabbaZee

Prager ROCKS today! All about the coming aliance of Christians and Jews. Says it is THE biggest thing in the earth today. Going on about how terrorism was nothing to the world as long as all they were killing were the Jooos.

But now the # 1 target for terrorism is OTHER Muslims. Prager notes that it is always so, the evil you ignore, or even support, will come back on YOU. What was that moonbat chick that just got killed in Iraq?

USMC RECON
I saw a program on local pbs were the ancient Spartan females had to force their males to 'do thier duty', maybe it's like that, or they get tricked.

#37. I kind of feel sorry for him. This guy is such an idiot that he obviously can't reason. To think Bush and his "cabel" want to take over the world like Hitler did.

Currently, he is Program Director of the Snohomish County Democrats

He fits right in then.

There’s simply no other morally acceptable option.

There simply isn't a clearer example of intellectual and moral bankruptcy than is present in this "peace activist".

jehu,
I don't think the left really wants a civil war. Hippie stink, while foul, is not as deadly as what the right is packing.

...and this is from a website called "Axis of Logic"?

Murqtaad

I know, it is why the HATE the second ammendment. They know we STILL have all the guns. Until they can confiscate them, all they can do is steal elections and pack the media, both things which they seem to be getting exposed more and more.

#26 Sean II

Wow, I actually got to the middle of the article before the "Blood for Oil" hysteria was brought out.

Check out yesterdays Day-by-Day cartoon. Basically the character is streaming Air America, but is filtering out 4 words:

Nazi
Fascist
Abu Ghraib
Extremists

The ladys says "I don't hear anything." The guy repeats, "I'm filtering out four words".

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

#37 Rayra

(The author's description of himself).

It's interesting to see that his description of himself is as delusional as his beliefs / understanding of facts.

This guy is a pshrinks dream ---

#2 Sorcerer
#35 USMC RECON

Welcome!

#43 keepandbear

Keep fighting the good fight behind enemy lines. Keep believing that truth and reason will prevail.

He ought to have the courage of his convictions--buy his son a one-way ticket and sign him up to be a Splodydope. Of course, these moonbats never have the courage of their convictions. Remember Suha Arafat declaring that she would be happy to have her son be a suicide bomber? Only it was just so darn unlucky that she only had a daughter who just happened to live with her in luxury in Paris.

This is priceless:

At this point, we should be able to agree that the people of Iraq were better off under Saddam Hussein in every quantifiable way than they are today. Even on a physical level, the availability of work, clean water, electricity, sewage control, medicine, gas and food were far superior to the present situation. On a deeper level, the insecurity from the sporadic violence, the increasing brutality, and the gross injustice of the occupation has turned Iraq into a prison-state, where the amenities of normal life are nowhere to be found.

(Rumsfeld’s unannounced visit to Baghdad last week was to make sure that the newly elected officials didn’t tamper with his counterinsurgency operatives, most of whom were formerly employed in Saddam’s secret police)

I thought that Rumsfeld was there to discuss avoiding delays in developing a constitutional government.

Also, I wonder how many peace-activists have actually visited Iraq more than Mr. Rumsfeld has.

Why do we pick and choose which parts of International Law we should have to follow?

US must have approval to protect ourselves from Islamofacist Terror Organizations, which have been operating in Iraq without impunity since before Gulf War I.

US has no right to expect UN officials to actually follow the same "international standards" when it comes to agreements on UN resolutions? i.e. "Oil for Bombs" ... oops I mean Food.

The UN is a corrupt anti-American organization, we should abondon this corruption ASAP.

Another LGF Math Teacher

Thanks USMC. You are appreciated here!

I dare jerkwads like this to spend 20 minutes watching the "sawing off heads" videos. Then turn around and tell the people of Iraq that these same folks are the "legitimate manifistations of a national liberation movement".

Idiot - these are the faces of the imposition of Fundamentalist Islamic domination upon every person in Iraq and the faces of death for all who would aspire to women's rights, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, etc.

I wonder how sympathetic this fool would be to a fundamentalist Christian "insurgency" in America? Would it simply be the "legitimate manifestation of a national liberation movement" then?

Yeah right! :spits:

So when did the author return from Iraq... He writes as if he has first hand knowledge of what the situation is there, and also just how the Iraqis feel.

What? He hasn't been there yet? Sheeptickets.COM, when you absolutely, postively should back up your statements. I will personally buy the ticket for Mike, the author, so he can put his money where his mouth is.

we should be able to agree that the people of Iraq were better off under Saddam Hussein in every quantifiable way than they are today.

300,000 dead bodies in mass graves can't be wrong.

This guy is a loser.

Id hate him and wish death upon him but it wouldn't be worth the energy.

Or would it?

#60 Lizard by the Bay

I wonder if this fool has read any accounts of what life was like in Fallujah when the "insurgents" were briefly in charge. This man is truly a heartless evil bastard if he is wishing that sort of rule be imposed on all the (now free) people of Iraq.

It's immaterial as to what happened in Fallujah prior to it being wrested from the baathists and islamofascists. They have blinders on - the only issue is the hatred of the US / Democracy / Capitalism / Conservatism - not the crimes and brutality. This is the same type to tool who would downplay the 100 million killed by Stalin and Mao by attacking the US and it's policies while saying those were "imperfect" attempts at the better form of government.

He also wishes that type of rule here - except he's so delusional as to believe that he would be part of the .003% that would run things as opposed to being oppressed. He also takes being a useful idiot to the extreme - one can almost have pity on such a naive fool - except that as an evil bastard - he's too dangerous for our pity. So, we can hold him in contempt.

"Deport The Fuckers"

Disoloyal US Citizens can and should lose their citizenship

Let's see how big their mouths are without the protection and privilege of those they hate

Totally OT

The way to peace in Iraq:

[Link: www.harpers.org...]

Vibrators.

Really.

#43 Keepandbear

Well, as Mark Twain said. Generalizations aren't worth a damn.

You are absolutely correct that there are some right minded folks like yourself who make an honest living in the pc-obsessed public sector and I apologize for lumping you and others in with those that treat the public sector as guaranteed employment. Quite the opposite,

I salute you for being a teacher and am glad to see you on this board.

Just for your benefit, most of my family did the same, though on the law enforcement and firefighting side.

Even so, a landscaper with a degree in English Lit. from St. Michaels college in 1975 explains a lot. A classic case of being overeducated and underemployed and being very very bitter about it.

At least he runs his own business and isn't afraid of getting dirt under his fingernails. But

There should be a law (Lizard's Law or somethings) that requires people to be notified if psycho flying moonbats like that "activist" move into their neighborhoods...

#80 jehu
Prager is one of the mot lucid guys out there. Love him.

There should be a law (Lizard's Law or somethings) that requires people to be notified if psycho flying moonbats like that "activist" move into their neighborhoods...

You'll as soon as you see the car with 27 bumper stickers on it and burning oil coming down your street.

What an amazing display of philosophical calisthenics, only to have him wind up with his head firmly up his arse.

#94 CatholicSchoolGirl Good one!

At this point, we should be able to agree that the people of Germany were better off under Adolf Hitler in every quantifiable way than they are today. Even on a physical level, the availability of work, clean water, electricity, sewage control, medicine, gas and food were far superior to the post-war situation. On a deeper level, the insecurity from the sporadic violence, the increasing brutality, and the gross injustice of the American occupation turned Germany into a prison-state, where the amenities of normal life were nowhere to be found

And, gosh, they didn't have any bombed out wrecked cities until the Americans invaded!

He's giving us Washingtonians a bad name.

#71 USMC RECON
ahhh theubiquitous shallow end of the gene pool...
sigh

OT: Has anyone read about this post from DEBKA?

"Two Palestinian nationalists named to new
Columbia chair of Israeli studies –
Rashid Khalidi and Lila Abu Lughod,
signer of university’s divestment policy.
Four trustees donated $4m for new chair
under professor of Jewish history Michael
Stanislawski,to ensure 'Israel’s story' is
finally narrated at Columbia University."

C.U. really has chutuzpah! Appointing
pro-Nazi zealots to chair Israeli studies.
I bet those trustees cannot get back their
money. It actually serves them right for
associating with such a hate-filled place.
May g-d forgive those 4 morons.

I sure won't.

Raider Dan @ 104

At least he runs his own business and isn't afraid of getting dirt under his fingernails. But

Whoa, don't be so fast to assume he gets his hands dirty, some landscape companies I know hire mostly illegals... I would love to fact check this guy to see who he employs and how much he pays them...

I bet they are as expendible as his son.

#105 Rayra,

These "people" ooze political rhetoric like a wino sweats booze.

Very astute observation. As it is said - extreme liberalism is a mental disease.

#106 aRedPhishHead

There should be a law (Lizard's Law or somethings) that requires people to be notified if psycho flying moonbats like that "activist" move into their neighborhoods...

I've got the American flag flying 20' up in the front yard. I think it keeps most of them out of the neighborhood.

#88 Yes, I meant my question. You want to go to a military funeral and tell the widow and kids that Daddy died because SUVs are the fad right now?

Oil is a strategic reserve - but it's not as if it's being withheld from the market. The budget deficit means it's hard to invest a lot of money in alternate sources of energy right now, but forchristsakes, can we not all exercise a little restraint? China, w/ over a billion people, still imports less than the US does.

84 Rayra-

Google his name. One article after another, each one frothing in its attempt to gainsay whatever the big news of the week was - gainsaying Iraqi elections, iraqi govt, iraqi PM, Bush economy, etc.

Interesting. Has he written anything bemoaning or celebrating the deaths of innocents by beheading? Im wondering to what degree he's a hypocrite.

Ah, the noble Iraqi resistance. Looks like one of the bold, brave and courageous pukes got cheated out of another tool of the oppressive American regime:

Infant survives blast nestled in mom's lap

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A tiny cry rose from among corpses as Iraqis soldiers dug through the wreckage of a minibus caught in the rampage of suicide bombings that shook Baghdad on Friday.

The soldiers followed the wail to two slumped passengers, one headless and the other burned beyond recognition. They gently lifted up the bodies to find 8-month-old Sajjad Hassan, bloodied but alive, spared from the blast by the bodies of his dead mother and grandmother.

This scrap of life among so much death inspired hope in the soldiers at the scene, in the doctors who treated the shocked infant, in the stranger who cared for him overnight and in the father finally reunited with his son on Saturday. Sajjad's family and rescuers attributed his implausible survival to the will of God, a miracle on a day of destruction.

OT
Where'd our footballs go? Did I not get the memo?

#114 CatholicSchoolGirl

I would love to fact check this guy to see who he employs and how much he pays them...

Or a quiet call to ICE...

#86 Murqtaad
Oh but they do want it.. they would loose, but they don't know it.
They are nihilists and lovers of death of the first order
they are Manson chicks, they are weathermen, they are black panthers, they are blood thirsty
empty sacks of satanic sensation seekers.

To establish his moral bona fides, he declares that he’d even support the “insurgency” if they killed his own son.

Ummm, apples usually don't fall far from the tree. I kinda' agree with the guy, in a way, send your son over.

Even better, go with your son.

Counterclone @ 110

Even better... great post.

#111 Evil Squirrel

He's giving us Washingtonians a bad name.

After Rachel Corrie, Patty Murray, Jim McDermott, and a successfully stolen election, this moonbat can't really make your state look much worse.

What is being missed here is the central con trick of the statement,his son isn't going to Iraq,the offer of sacrifice is the same as the promise,"If I win the Lottery I'll buy you a car a yacht and a house",not going happen either way

What do you expect from a Deaniac?

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
February 29, 2004
EDITORIAL: HOWARD DEAN: DEMOCRATS ARE LEFT WITH WATERED-DOWN VERSIONS

Dean was the most credible candidate to carry that banner. Most of the rhetoric we hear now from the other candidates is just a watered-down version of Dean's stinging rebukes of our dissembling commander in chief.

Mike Whitney
Snohomis

China, w/ over a billion people, still imports less than the US does.

Oh for crying out loud! I am all for developing alternative energy and getting out from under the oil blanket of the ME, but this is just silly.

What exactly do you think the standard of living in China is compared to the U.S.? Do you know there are regions of China with NO electricty whatsoever? Other areas have small generators that run for an hour or two a day to power televisions/radios so the locals can get their daily indoctrination. Do you really purpose that we lower our standard of living to this equivalence so that we would only import as much oil as "befits" our population?

Sheesh!

#117 IrishJean

Oil is a strategic reserve - but it's not as if it's being withheld from the market. The budget deficit means it's hard to invest a lot of money in alternate sources of energy right now, but forchristsakes, can we not all exercise a little restraint? China, w/ over a billion people, still imports less than the US does.

Oil prices are at the present level because of simple supply and demand. OPEC is keeping production down / limited - as the majority of OPEC members need high prices to continue their spending efforts. Helping create a 'perfect storm" is the fact that both China and India are requiring and on the market for significantly more oil than they had in the past - and China's demand is on the proverbial hockey stick jump upwards.

The deficit has little really regarding investments - that is / should be done by private investment and is encouraged by R&D tax credits / breaks. We can afford those in order to stimulate the pump (so to speak).

In terms of conservation - that would help - but only a little.

Liberals love dead Americans.

Wrechard has a post today discussing nonstate actors and the failure of many, even people like George Will, to understand that these people are not nationalists, but gangs:

[Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

"Manwaring argues that security threats in the 21st century are less likely to come from invading armies than Osama Bin Laden's terrorists, cults, warlords, transnational criminal organizations, institutionalized West African crime and powerful street gangs. "Rather than directly competing with a nation-state" these Third Generation gangs "can use a mix of complicity, indifference, corruption, and violent intimidation to co-opt and seize control of a state or a portion of a nationstate quietly and indirectly" so that they can go about their rackets. From Central America, to Afghanistan and the Middle East, nation-states are being stalked by organizations which require chaos to thrive. Like terrorists in Iraq but unlike the FLN in Algeria, most of these "Third Generation Gangs" care nothing about traditional nationalism except as a public relations cover to justify their self-serving acts. For them "fighting faith" is not a creed but a talking-point."

Michael Savage is right, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

#92

Here in New York state,we fight the battle against the LLL's every day.

THank God, We are Swift, Silent and Deadly by nature and training.

The battle will be won,look at the competition.

#120 BenZacharia

Where'd our footballs go? Did I not get the memo?

Got mine.

I should check at his Blog, BUT has anyone heard from Beagle?

Here is a man dying on the inside because HIS SON, is in such a bad way.

And here is some son-of-a-bitch, that would waste his son gladly, for islamapsychopaths to claim victory?!

Screwed up world.

#131 badanov

Liberals love dead Americans.

Sigh. Too true. I, on the other hand, love dead liberals and islamopignazis.

#134 USMC RECON
Amen
Got your back in lower Westchester and the Bronx ;-)

#136 Elcid
No updates on his blog yet and he hasn't checked in

I can imagine this guy as my neighbor, I am surrounded by moonbats, of all socio-economic levels. I live in a remote area where one lives to get away from people.

A couple from Boulder (Moonbat Superioritus) moved in near me. The first thing they did was to send all the neighbors, we all own ranches, an invitation to hear a speaker tells us why we should be putting our land into conservacies and pay someone, (their buddy) money to manage our property, save on taxes and preserve the wildlife. Effectly signing control of my property away, forever while I had the joy of working it and paying the payments.

No one RSVP'd and no one showed up. The couple was flabbergasted. They had moved into an area of idiots who felt they had the right to do what they wanted with their property.

As far as the far left is concerned, they want the US to be defeated, and it doesn't really matter about anything else. That is why they have allied themselves with the jihadi head-choppers and other terrorists. They would ally themselves with the devil if they could, so long as the devil were fighting the US.

As to his arguments, his mind is not living in the real world, he must be inhabiting some parallel universe. He imagines greater legitimacy for the head-choppers and other terrorists whose only distinction is their willingness to murder the innocent, than for the elected government of Iraq. But never mind his bizarre habitation of some la-la-land. His real goal is that the US get defeated, in whatever situation in whatever circumstances. He is an honest-to-goodness traitor to this country, and his reasons have nothing at all to do with anything real. It's just a self-loathing emotional thing as far as I can guess; it certainly doesn't have any contact with reality.

This is the fantasy of the radical Left: destroy the present situation, and a utopian situation is somehow going to arise. And to destroy the present situation, the US has to be brought low. They have no concept connected to reality as to how this is going to happen. They once put their trust in Communism,and the Soviet Union, but Communism is dead as a world force, and the Soviet Union doesn't exist. So they are counting on radical Islamism to provide the utopian outcome that they expect will arise if only the US gets defeated. Their thinking is confused by their bizarre desires, which would lead to entirely unexpected and disastrous outcomes.

135 RWC
uh com'on, quit teasin' what happened?

#114. Catholic School Girl

I will make no more assumptions on this thread today!

You didn't, um, go to Catholic school, did you?

This tool is just another delusional leftie who actually BELIEVES that black is white and white is black. The sheer numbers of these regressive progressives should be of concern to all of those who actually understand that:

1) Brutal dictators must be eliminated by any means necessary.
2) Even difficult jobs are worth doing - and success comes with a price, and not immediately.
3) The United States is the most altruistic nation in history.
4) A butcher knife to the neck is worse than a pair of panties on the head.
5) A car bomb in a market is worse than a stray bullet.
6) Murder in the name of religion requires no more "understanding" than any other murder.
7) People who recognize that it is sometimes necessary to right a wrong with force do not value peace any less than those who fail to make that recognition.
8) etc., etc.

I thought there was a duty to defend your nation against "enemies foreign and domestic"?

There is a lot wrong with countries like Canada, France, etc. However no other Western nation has within it such an abundance of malevolent native borna and bred fifth columnists who truly desire to destroy that nation and all it stands for.

I don't know if in the long run your seemingly endless tolerance for people who openly declare themselves the enemy is a good thing or a bad thing. I guess history will judge.

139 BabbaZee

Thank you, Lady.

I hope that some of you good LGFers ou there sent this loser an email.

I just did.

notice that slugs like this.. spew this crapola.. while enjoying the freedoms of this country.. freedoms that the Iraqi's haven't had in half a century? notice that hes quick to offer up the life of his son... from behind the safety of the computer... someone said..too bad that this animal didn't eat his young.. I'm thinking .. too bad the young didn't eat this animal... Morons like this make me say.. Thank God for President Bush and his choice to get rid of saddam.

see ya
cathy : )

Raider Dan @ 143

You didn't, um, go to Catholic school, did you?

Yes, I did. And I am a Catholic in every sense of the word. I distrust all forms of authority, institutions, religions, and commitments.

Also suffer from Nunaphobia.

The US and coalition forces went into Iraq to enforce UN Resolution 1441 (among others), while Kofi and company got wealthy by raping the Oil for Food Program, and WE'RE the ones who violated the UN charter? How does that logic work?

The peace and security of the world’s people depends on the compliance of states with the clearly articulated standards of international law and the UN Charter. Both were deliberately violated by the invasion of Iraq.

1st- I don't recall there being an over abundance of peace and security around the world before the Iraq war. Shows you what the worth of International law/UN Charter was really worth. The standards of international law and the UN are only complied with if the STATE see that it is in it's best interest. These lawas and charters are broken all the time.

2nd- Iraq was in violation fo these so-called international laws/UN Charters BEFORE the war. What were the consequences of their violations?

#122 babbazee,
well shi-ite, let em bring it. Talk is cheap, don't ya know.

Reminds me of the title of a book or lecture by the Marxist - Howard Zinn. "The Myth of American Exceptionalism" or something like that.

No country is perfect. Every country has it's demons and past crimes. Find a country that doesn't. You couldn't do it. But this doesn't not exclude a country from being exceptional and it would seem foolish to say that all countries, if they are exceptional in any way, all share an equal amount this exceptionalism. This would render the whole concept of exceptionalism DOA. Some countries are more exceptional than others. It is every citizens right to be proud of their country, to think that their country is special even if in reality it is not.

It seems to me the frame that people like Mr. Whitney, Mr. Zinn and others are trying to contruct around reality is one where no one, or entity should be allowed to be perceived as superior. I say perceived because the reality is unarguable. Michael Jordan is a far superior basketball player than I am. It's a fact. As much as I may not like that (I really don't care) it does not change the reality that I suck at basketball. My only avenue of attack would be to change the perception of Mr. Jordans ability. Perhaps I could write an essay entitiled, "The Myth of Michael Jordan's Athletic Exceptionalism"

WHAT AN IDIOT!
no wait, i meant to say: WHAT A STUPID JERK!
no wait, i meant to say...never mind.

#129 Fatal - no shit China is underdeveloped, but the fact is that it's been growing around 10%/annum for almost a decade now, and the coastal provinces are fairly wealthy. I was wondering about the SUVs in the US - I'm not an ecoloony, but if you don't need an SUV, why buy one? They pollute more, those of us in cars can't freaking see around them, and the massive gas consumption allows the saudis to fund the spread of wahabism around the globe.

#130 Athos - um, no. OPEC isn't limiting supplies, even when they make an announcement that they are. They've never been good at sticking to their agreed upon price: one of the triggers to GW1 was Kuwait's underselling of the agreed upon price - Hussein really needed the money after the war w/ Iran.

As for private investment in alternate energy - perhaps - but it seems to me that the economies of scale would be too great.

PIMF!

"...For myself, I can say without hesitation that I support the insurgency, and would do so even if my only 21 year old son was serving in Iraq..."

Since his son is apparently not serving in Iraq this is easy. I will commit right here on this blog to saying that even if my son were serving in Iraq I would be proud if he here butchered by the "insurgency." Of course since I don't have a son it makes no never mind. In the meantime I'm please as punch that our troops are hunting these bastards down and killing them at every opportunity.

And given this moonbat's tortured reasoning, and apparent long standing anti-war viewpoint, it is d*mned unlikely that he has managed to raise a son who is about to volunteer to serve his county.

One of the kindest things one can say about the left is that they quite honestly believe that there is no such thing as a just war --- nothing is worth preserving at the risk of their lives, even the ability to live in a free country where they can hold such views without being shot.

JohnSteele,
It's amazing he managed to raise a son at all...

Sick, sick sh!t

It's truly mindboggling.

i don't know what else to say.

OT, Spain's Minister of Defense, Jose Bono Martinez said today (via [Link: www.cspan.org...] & an interpreter)that he would "rather be killed than to kill."

He said this after explaining that only a psychiatrist could explain the love affair the Arabs have with death.

I don't know why this puzzles me, but it does.

It's easy (albeit moronic) to say you'd sacrifice your own son when you know you don't really have to.

I don't remember who but,

"My country ,in her intercourse with foriegn nations ,may she always be right,but my country right or wrong"

#158 Murqtaad

I wonder if he raised his son to be a Pencil Neck Geek?

He he he.

Brilliant prose, by Mike Witless, of Washington. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Washington State should be obliterated. Perhaps Oregon, too.

it is d*mned unlikely that he has managed to raise a son who is about to volunteer to serve his county.

Actually...kids tend to do exactly the opposite of what their parents want them to at that age...:>))

#160

Well he can chose to be killed. I'd much prefer the satisfaction of killing these bastards!

#32 K. 5/2/2005 11:00AM PDT
OT:

Brit cleric warns of armed revolt.

The government is making them do it.

This so-called "cleric" ought to be careful what he wishes for. He like most of the "learned Muslims" have clearly never studied history. If there really is a threat of armed insurrection I think he might be surprised at how quickly the atmosphere of tolerance will turn into an atmosphere of 'shoot first and and questions later' --- even in "disarmed" Britain.

NOT all teachers are Liberals.

Hear, hear!

Semper Gumbi,

His nuanced ass probably had him in the girl scouts.

#160 ggt - the freaking Minister of Defense said that?
Thank gawd for Rummy!

There was a daft leftie from Washington
Who played loose with the life of his only son
He wished terrorists well
Condemned the U.S. to hell
You'd think he'd forgotten what Sadaam done

The greatest moral quandary of our day is whether we, as Americans, support the Iraqi insurgency.

Actually, the greatest moral quandary of about 4 or 5 months ago, for me, was whether to engage moral midgets like this. Now I don't know what my greatest moral quandary is. I think it involves taxes.

In this case, we have someone openly committing treason by urging support for an armed enemy. Yet, he is not arrested and millions would swarm to his defense if he were. One subtext of the current conflict is a showdown over the definition of rights, especially the right of free speech.

On one side, we have Constutional and common-law definitions of these rights; on the other, a consensus manufactured by the institutional media culture for its own self-serving (often commercial) purposes.

One side or the other must prevail before this conflict is fully resolved.

USMC RECON-

Upstater, here. w00t! Good to have you here. I sometimes despair for NY.

I wonder if we could lure this activist enemy of America in front of a bulldozer and floor the gas pedal. Or send him over to Iraq so the insurgents terrorists could pay him a visit.

Him and people who think like him would love to see America go up in flames just so they can validate their twisted views. They want the terrorists to win so they can write the history and say Bush was the worst President ever and Hillary had to come to the rescue.

DIE HIPPIE DIE!
/move along...nothing to see here

# 155 IJ

As far as SUV's go, I don't drive one, I don't own one (never have), and neither does my wife! ;)

That being said, there is a lot to say for the U.S. using up as much of the world's oil as fast as possible.

If the U.S. were to reduce its use of oil what would that accomplish? Other nations inimical to us would just buy it up, there wouldn't be any net "reduction" in demand and it would just help fuel the rise of nations that would be opposed to our national interests.

If we were to use it at an increasing rate it would force the "first" world to changeover to other energy sources, it would pull the money rug out from under the oil producing nations and it would slow down the rise of those same nations that the world is better off having as under-developed.

I really don't think it is in our best interests to conserve oil just so China can have more. Use it up, replace it with something better and leave them to stew in their third-world communist "worker's paradise".

This devil's advocates says "just think about it"

#158 Murqtaad

Hmmm true. Of course the jury is still out on that :-)

#142 BenZacharia
Honestly. Mine is there. (your talking about the ones by the names, right?)

If so, I see mine.

My comments section looks a bit different, but that is it.

ps - apparently, this is Mike Whitney's blog -
The aggresive progressive.
His nic is TheAggPro.

OT - I guess the British AUT will soon be adding
the College of Judea and Samaria to their boycott list.

STANDING UP, WAVING MY ARMS, SHOUTING, "WHERE'D THE FOOTBALLS GO?"

I wonder if his son and wife are as leftist or as hateful as he is. Can you imagine what the son must feel? Or the wife- "Honey, I'd rather see our own son get beheaded than support this country" how would she react when she hears this? Hopefully she's not like a Palestinian mother.

The toppling of foreign regimes and the destruction of entire civilizations cannot be justified in terms of “democracy” or any other cynically conjured-up ideal.

I beg to differ. Although I can't address the hyperbole inherent in Mr. Whitney's style, I can certainly address the underlying point - see The Declaration of Independence for my talking points.

Oddly enough, by his above statement, Mr. Whitney defeats his own argument that the "insurgents" are justified.

BenZ,

Which footballs are you talkin' about?

I'm seeing footballs all over this page.

#170 irishjean. Yeah, I was watching it on TV and almost got up and posted then and there, but thought I'd rewatch it thru the CSPAN website. Unfortunately, my computer isn't cooperating, but I did get the headline to be sure I spelled the guys name right.

For some reason, I am still trying to convice myself he really didn't say that, it must have been a Saturday Night Live skit or something.

Gotta go, have a great afternoon minions!

I encourage Mr. Whitney to put his support of the Iraqi 'resistance" into action by travelling to Iraq himself so that the terrorists can murder him.

re: footballs
Oh, crap, I intalled the icerocket toolbar and they disappeared. WARNING to others.

I remember my turning point quite clearly. The president still makes me uneasy, I dislike the Republicans' strong-arm tactics, I dislike their use of religion as a political tool, and I'm not sure who I'd vote for if the election were held today.

That said, when I heard Michael Moore actively rooting for the crazy-ass headchoppers, going so far as to call them "minutemen", I knew I wanted nothing to do with his beliefs.

Which kinda leaves me out in the cold, really. I think it's ridiculous to fight over who has a better imaginary friend. At least the nutty Christians here keep to blowing up a few Planned Parenthood clinics here and there, instead of detonating children on a regular basis.

But I've come quite a way from believing this fellow. Pfeh.

Where the phuck do these people come from? I'd like to encase in cement the vile rock under which they gibber and drool in hateful glee.

#177 Fatal
Oh, there would be a net reduction in demand. Especially considering the high sales of SUVs over the last few years and the fact that most Americans have to drive to where they want to go.
As for developing alternate energy sources - one, the transition needs to be managed (the last time we had a global recession, the world got Hitler); two, it's a global economy - there's no going back to a self-sustaining economy. Ricardo's maxim about comparative advantages is the driving force behind globalization - and given that the world's population has doubled since 1960, while the % living in absolute poverty has halved, we want to stick w/ open trade.

#153: Ah yes, Howard Zinn and the people's history of the United States. I get nervous anytime I see the phrase "the people's" in front of anything. It seems old Howie developed a disliking for war after serving as a bombardier in WWII. I have no problem with that, in fact, I respect his opinion based on the fact that he did serve. However, I disagree with the premise that the US was equally as wrong as Germany and Japan. Moral relativism at it's worst. It's pure snot.

#165 Golden Jerusalem

Well if thats the case in this case I'm sure his son is pleased as punch that his dear old Dad would prefer he were butchered than live.

Clowns like this have managed to turn hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution on its head. It is inconceivable to me that a mother or father would be pleased at the death of their child for any reason, noble or not. But as observed this is a typical leftist throwaway line as his son is not serving in Iraq and is unlikely to ever serve.

On the otherhand, "Dad" needs to remember that the bad guys don't care if they kill soldiers or civilians, in Iraq or here --- there were 3000 people missing at the dinner table last night thanks to 9/11 and few of them wore a uniform other than fireman or police.

Personally, having come within 15 minutes of meeting my maker at the hands of some wack-job terrorist bomber I'm all in favor of the present approach in the WOT.

Bienvenue Sorcerer! It's hard to resist the lure to join LGF. The subliminal messages transmitted by Karl Rove are too strong to resist :)

#187 Kenneth

No, no, a thousand times no. The troops that he disparages so much would end up having to protect or even rescue his sorry a*s. Better he stays here and spouts his crap than we have to risk soldiers to help him.

Question for Mike Whitney

Oh genius who uses a cow sphincter for a thinking cap, please answer these questions:

By what logic do you choose Islamic terrorist murderers to be the lawful poltical aspirations of the people of Iraq over a democratically elected government that received over 65% of the vote?

Please inform me of just what special advances in human governance the insurgents would bestow upon the people of Iraq that make any consideration of their possible leadership as anything other than deranged lunacy?

Given that the insurgents you support represent Saddam Hussein's regime that murdered millions of people or al Qaida which murdered 2800 people on 9-11, which subgroup do you support and why? In particular, can you educate us as to why you advocate their vision of Ba'athist tyranny or Islamist Taliban style fascism and why you wish this on the Iraqi people but not your fellow Americans? If you could specify your preference for Saddamism over Talibanism, that would be helpful too.

How does expressing your brilliant informed opinions benefit the American democratic party for which you work?

Lastly, since you have so little regard for your own son, will you either get him to enlist so other people's sons don't have to die or kill him yourself since his life means so little to you?

Answer whenever

Ayatollah Ghilmeini
@LGF

Some more collumns by Mike Whitney:

[Link: www.aljazeerah.info...]
[Link: www.aljazeerah.info...]
[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]
[Link: www.smirkingchimp.com...]
[Link: www.zmag.org...]
[Link: www.informationclearinghouse.info...]

Lots & lots of America hating, terrorist loving garbage from this highly moral peace activists. Read it and puke.

Karma being what it is, this means his kids will enlist.

#188 BenZacharia

Oh, crap, I intalled some spyware guaranteed to fuck up my computer the icerocket toolbar and they disappeared. WARNING to others.

I guess you already figured out what your first mistake was.

I always remember what Mohammad (Punches Be Unto Him) Ali said when asked "What would you do if a man came up to you on the street and picked a fight?" He responded, "I'd run away. Any person who would pick a fight with me would have to be crazy."

Step away from this fool.

That said, when I heard Michael Moore actively rooting for the crazy-ass headchoppers, going so far as to call them "minutemen", I knew I wanted nothing to do with his beliefs.

Don't forget Washington's own Murry saying OBL isn't so bad. He is popular because he builds daycare centers in Afghanistan.

#177 Fatal

That being said, there is a lot to say for the U.S. using up as much of the world's oil as fast as possible.

Interesting. Very interesting. I think I like it.

OT: NY Times article has lefty broadcasters seething

Republican Chairman Exerts Pressure on PBS, Alleging Biases

The Republican chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is aggressively pressing public television to correct what he and other conservatives consider liberal bias, prompting some public broadcasting leaders - including the chief executive of PBS - to object that his actions pose a threat to editorial independence. ...
Mr. Tomlinson said that in his view, objectivity and balance meant "a program schedule that's not skewed in one direction or another." Some corporation board members say that complaints about ideological pressure are premature.

Cue the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Grassroots Radio Coalition:

One simple solution to GOP strong arm tactics:
ALL NPR and PBS stations should read the founding mission statement of NPR and PBS at least three times a day (at least for the next year or so) … And really drill in on that "provide a voice for groups in the community that may otherwise be unheard." as a way to explain why PBS and NPR does not and SHOULD NOT sound anything like existing commercial or religious broadcasting networks.

I might be missing some of the nuances, but could that be code for "NPR and PBS stations should be apologists for socialism and global jihad?"

The greatest moral quandary of our day is whether we, as Americans, support the Iraqi insurgency. It’s an issue that has caused anti-war Leftists the same pangs of conscience that many felt 30 years ago in their opposition to the Vietnam War. The specter of disloyalty weighs heavily on all of us, even those who’ve never been inclined to wave flags or champion the notion of American “Exceptionalism”.

The fact that this person has a moral quandary over supporting insurgency is more telling about where he is than anything else he's written, including saying "without hesitation that I support the insurgency, and would do so even if my only 21 year old son was serving in Iraq." How can someone have a moral quandary about supporting insurgency in Iraq?
Thousands of innocent Iraqis and coalition forces have died at the hands of these murdering thugs. The insurgency is not comprised of 'freedom fighters' defending their country from evil coalition forces who have invaded to steal their lands and its riches, nor to enslave them, they were forces that removed a tyrant and barbarian that persecuted, tortured, and murdered innocent people. No, the insurgents are comprised of jihadis from other countries, terrorists with their own agenda; the same agenda that brought down the WTC towers, blew up a train in Spain, and other non-combatant civilians in other parts of the world because they don't agree with the ideology of the jihadis. The insurgency is also comprised of former Saddam loyalist and Baathists who don't want to see a free and liberated Iraq; they want their old power back. And the insurgency is also a loosely operating group of murderers, thieves, and law-breakers who have no allegiance to anyone but themselves. And for this group, this man would have no qualms about sacrificing his son on the altar of his flawed ideology?
What the hell is wrong with this picture?! [/rhetorical question]

#203 WWtW - nope, you're not missing any nuance...

If this turd is so brave, why doesn't he just start a little ruckus here? This is the same moron who would bring a machete to a gun fight.

Please, please man come to Oklahoma and start some name-calling shit. There's 5,000 flag-waving rednecks waiting with the trigger finger cocked to send you on to paradise.

Sad thing is, this guy is probably a high school teacher, college professor, state gov't employee, county social worker, librarian, or otherwise taxpayer-funded job and can't be touched.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there buddy...lay off of the librarian bashing.

I'm pleased to see that this bozo (and I mean no disrespect to bozos) has such regard for the UN. Afterall they have done such a sterling job over the years in activities such as the Oil-for-Fraud program, rape peacekeeping in the Congo, rape peacekeeping in Liberia, launching democracy in Kosovo (one of these decades), ad nauseum.

And where would be be without the Dr. El Baradi and the International Atomic Energy Agency keeping a lid on nuclear proliferation. Why if it weren't for them Iran, North Korea and others would have nuclear weapons programs underway.

And who can forget the UN Human Rights Commission and the find upstanding members of that august body; nations such as Zimbabwe, Cameroon and others.

Oh, and don't forget the UN's massive relief effort in Southeast Asia after the tsunami. Don't worry that it took them months to even get started, long after the Aussies, US, Japan etc., had already been in place for weeks. And its understandable that the UN was miffed at the US and Australia for "upstaging" them by immediately deploying forces to begin the relief effort while the UN was still printing press releases about the 'soon to begin' effort.

OT

via our old friends from Google news:

Pope Benedict XVI, a Rightwing Politician

(...)
Ratzinger is profoundly political. And his political positions are more than conservative, they are ultra-right-wing. He was one of the most ultra-right cardinals of recent times. I will elaborate on this, but first, let's dispense with the claim that every young person in Germany at that time was in the Hitler Youth. That is nonsense. Many young Germans, including Catholics, not only refused to join the Hitler Youth but fought against Hitler in a courageous and principled way.

[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

As you can see, beware, reading this trash may be hazardous to your health.

Ah yes, another 'Chicken insurgent.'

#200 Necklace of Shoes
(Punches Be Unto Him)

Too funny. lol

199 lizard by the bay
Hey! not fair, spywareblaster + S&D says it's ok. Am I to trusting?

This idiot from Washington State has the nerve to tell me that I am immoral because I don't support the headchoppers?

This is the greatest moral quandry of out day?

*spit*

*spit*

* SPIT! *

and... he also votes Democrat.

Re my #209

More from that Google "news" link:

While much has been written about the threat of Muslim fundamentalism, not much has been said about the threat posed by this Catholic fundamentalism.

Hmmm, perhaps that's because Catholic people have as of yet not flown planes into buildings?

He might have a point if it wasn't for the unprecedented involvement of millions of Iraqi civilians who participated for the first time in an act of self determination not too long ago.

There is also the slight problem with the fact that many of the insurgents are not Iraqi nor does it appear the average Iraqi agrees with them. (Like this story)

But being a 'peace activist' he'll never let anything as trivial as reality get in his way.

---
BTW, my first post to LGF. Almost felt as good as winning the lottery to finally have seen the "Register (open)" indicator last week.

Well, China will need huge amounts of oil for its development, but the Chinese are also intentioned to use a lot of nuclear energy, especially with the novel HTRs.

OT

Is this breaking news, or am I confused?

Full classified Sgrena incident report accidentally leaked on Internet

A classified version of a U.S. report on the shooting death of an Italian intelligence agent by American troops in Baghdad says that the Iraqi capital was then under a wave of insurgent attacks reaching into the thousands.

It also concludes that U.S. forces were never told that agent Nicola Calipari, 50, was trying to spirit a just-freed Italian hostage, journalist Giuliana Sgrena, out of Iraq.

The report finds that the U.S. troops who shot and killed Calipari and wounded Sgrena at a checkpoint were operating within their rules and will not face disciplinary action.
...
The classified version of the U.S. report appeared on the Internet because of a computer error, officials said. CNN is not reporting any details that would risk the security and privacy of U.S. and Italian personnel, including their names.

Where on the Internet?

Scramble! Scramble!

Many young Germans, including Catholics, not only refused to join the Hitler Youth but fought against Hitler in a courageous and principled way.

Yeah, like courageously dangling from the piano wire.

# 191 IJ

I don't think I made myself clear. If the U.S. were to suddenly outlaw SUV's, there might be a small reduction in petroleum demand in the U.S., but there would be no net "gain" worldwide.

Any reduction in demand would likely be met by a reduction in production (to keep prices high), thus overal no net gain in oil availability. If production was not reduced, then the price would fall. Reduced prices would simply mean that developing countries would be able to purchase more than they currently can, again no net surplusage of oil would occur.

Bottom line, either we use the oil or someone else will. Basic economic theory will determine when capitlist countries switchover to other energy sources. There won't be any grand "managed" switch over.

We have suffered numerous global recessions without having another "Hitler" arise. I am not a "globalist" and, considering the fact that the U.S. runs a net trade defecit, "global" trade is simply a methodology for moving wealth from countries like the U.S. to those like China who exploit their people for an overall economic gain that does not benefit the rank and file of China.

A valid argument can be made that, if oil is a non-renewable energy source, it is in the best interests of the U.S. to use as much of it as possible. We have the technological expertise, the capital, the capacity and the will to exchange oil for other sources once that resource become scarce. Many of the other "developing" nations - most of whom are inimical to us, do not.

#212 BenZ

Hey! not fair, spywareblaster + S&D says it's ok. Am I to trusting?

Well, S&D is freeware, and doesn't get updated very often. I have no experience with spywareblaster. Have you run AdAware on it yet?

In my experience, any "toolbar" add-in is sure to cause more grief than good, and nearly all of them track your online habits so they can do some nice targeted marketing for you spam your butt into oblivion.

Welcome aboard Bic and USMC RECON.

218 zombie
yesterdays thread

#215 hm

Funny you should mention the "threat" posed by Christians. Here is Stanley Kurtz writing for National Review about the latest leftist conspiracy theory.

Reading the first paragraphs, I thought they were talking about the RoP.

Dominist Domination

#210 iowahawk 5/2/2005 12:40PM PDT
"Another Chicken insurgent"

And his children, potential little Eichmanns...

For myself, I can say without hesitation that I support the insurgency, and would do so even if my only 21 year old son was serving in Iraq.

I bet he would.

BayLizard
Yep, got AdAware too.

OK. That's it. I've seen quite a bit of moonbattery, but that has to be the most mealy mouthed pile of steaming commie bullshit that I've ever run across. Thank you, Charles for digging this stuff up so we can see our true enemy. BTW, he would not support the "insurgency" (terrorist heathens) if his son was in Iraq. I dont buy that for one second. Tell ya what, bud, why dont you just mosey on over there n' join 'em? The boys over there would be happy to smoke you. Or better yet take you to Guantanamo. Sweet Jes*s, that would be the cat's ass. Whew. Rant over. And I'm spent.

hm @ 215

While much has been written about the threat of Muslim fundamentalism, not much has been said about the threat posed by this Catholic fundamentalism.

Beware... the Catholics...

the Horror...

No. 215 HM: Catholics don't issue "FATWAS" calling for the murder of writers, either.

And back on the topic if the idiot from Washington State:

* HOCK * a Lugie !

This traitor is a blowhard. Like most LLL's he's a balless wonder. Needs to get his jollies watching other real "revolutionaries" wage the hard battle while he sits at home wearing his Che t-shirt. He's even reduced to fantasizing that he doesn't have a feckless son who would otherwise be in Iraq fighting. I tell all these LLL that if they really believe this crap they should join the US military and then go conscientious objector, disobey commands etc. Put their pacifism where their mouths are and bring the "machine" down. They'll never do it, natch, b/c they'd go to the brig or the firing squad. Much easier to suck down the prozac and cheer Chutch on.

#229 CatholicSchoolGirl

It isn't the Catholics you need to watch out for, its those wacko Lutherans. Why just last week there was an incident in Minnesota where a Lutheran minister rallied his flock to a massive car wash to raise money for some new hymnals. You just can't trust them :-)

#209 hm

You can always count on Counterpunch for deranged rants. John Ross provides the goods in this essay Pope Ratzo and the Hucksters of Death

As the death gurgles of Terry Schiavo and Pope Wojytla grew more agitated and the media drumbeat pumped up maximum ratings for their mutually Christian agonies,...

It is not known exactly when Pope Wojytla expired. He is believed to have been on life support for many years, pumped full of steroids and monkey glands and dopamine to control the trembles, and injected daily with the blood of virgins held captive in the Vatican basement. ...Now His Holiness was pissing all over the Popemobile and refusing to wear diapers! ...

That's when Ratzinger stepped in and had his throat slit, an "emergency tracheotomy", arrrgghhh.

Much as with the late Pope, it is not easy to know how many members of the College of Cardinals are maintained on life support systems but as Cardinal Ratzinger moved to grab power, at least 77 of the Men In Purple proved to be brain dead. ... a member of Hitler Youth and a foot soldier in Adolph's army who knew just where the Nazi death camps were located, was chosen as God's representative on earth. With Arnold in the White House and Ratzinger in the Pope House, it looks like the Aryan Nation won the war after all.

I'll be back after I take a shower. It doesn't get much uglier than that.

#55 elevenbravo1969

Thank you for your service.

#35 USMC RECON

Welcome! And thank you for your service too.

#100 TMF

Don't wish death on him, pray for true enlightenment. This guy is a danger to himself, his family, and anyone that reads/believes his bilge.

In this article, look at the very different standards he uses for legitimacy. For the elected government of Iraq and its defenders, no amount of international support and no democratic procedures including elections are sufficient for legitimacy; but for the head-choppers, all that they require for legitimacy is for him to say that they are legitimate.

For the radical Left, it is never necessary to make any comparison between the US and an enemy of the US. All that they feel that they have to do is show that the US is not perfect, and they feel that they have proved that the enemy of the US should be supported. Never any comparison.

If he would dare make a side-by-side comparison between, on the one hand, the elected government of Iraq with its coalition supporters including the US, and on the other hand the head-choppers and other terrorists, including the former Baathists of Saddam's brutal regime, the comparison would show which side deserves support. But he won't make any such comparison.

#218 zombie

Eh, I was just reading it...

This is the link, but the report has gone 404...

It really begs to ponder... this guy graduated from college in 1975. Flashback to 1969...

Our hero... the author...

"How much for this lid (ounce of pot) man?"

Scruffy dope dealer (pimpled faced HS kid): Ten bucks, it's the best, man..."

"okay, and how much for the acid?"

"Two bucks a hit.. will blow your mind, man."

"Okay, thanks!"

Postscript: He just bought an ounce of oregano and a little tab of paper colored with orange magic marker... another Moonbat fleeced.

229 CatholicSchoolGirl

Maybe the idiot who wrote this piece hasn't figured out that there is NO threat posed by Catholicism, fundamental or otherwise, and that's why there's "not much" that's been said about it except from morons like Vincente and MSM types, i.e. NPR.

Did anyone catch the NPR radio splash on Opus Dei while the Pope was dying?

#232 JohnSteele 5/2/2005 12:54PM PDT

#229 CatholicSchoolGirl

It isn't the Catholics you need to watch out for, its those wacko Lutherans. Why just last week there was an incident in Minnesota where a Lutheran minister rallied his flock to a massive car wash to raise money for some new hymnals. You just can't trust them :-)

Oh my God... using innocent car owners to further their monsterous shenanigans..

My gut instinct is that Mike Whitney is not his real name or if it is, he is a Muslim convert. Just a guess.

His articles are featured on all the "left" websites but he is a regular contributor to Al Jazeera and Palestine Chronichle just to name two of the more well known.

#222 LthrNck

Semper Fi !

#217 Fabio C. HRTs?
#218 zombie - yesterday...slashdot has it.

#220 Fatal - surplusage? Is that a word?;-)
One of my points was that, as a cartel, OPEC doesn't function too well - someone always wants the money now, versus taking the long view. Can the US alone "manage" a global depression? (sorry, said recession when I meant depression) No, but the US tried pretty damn hard after 9/11 to avert a global meltdown. No one actor can 'manage' the global economy - but states can take action to smooth the peaks and valleys of booms and busts - that's the fed's job, btw. States can switch to providing nuclear power, rather than hydroelectric, or coal fired - but that doesn't help w/ cars and trucks.
You don't believe in the laws of absolute and comparative advantage?

I hope this guy's kid finds out how much his "Dad" thinks of him

reminds me of the female LLL writer who refused to let her daughter fly the American flag out of their window right after 9/11 -- no supporting racism and jingoism, y'know.

BTW... the following is from the 'about us' section of the website

The Enemy

We identify "Corporate Global Empire" as our common foe and the enemy of the people. We believe that all current, viable political parties in the U.S. are in service to the empire and do not represent the people.

These are extreme anti-American moobats

Let me see if I get this right:

He says
"A recent poll conducted in the Middle East (released by the Center for Strategic Studies) shows that “for more than 85% of the population in four of the five countries polled (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine) thought the US war on Iraq was an act of terrorism”. Lebanon polled at 64%. (Pepe Escobar; “Its Terror when we say so”)

And this is a legitimate reason for getting out of Iraq?
Okay, now lets use his quoted poll and see how many LGF readers who want this guy's site removed.

The answer would be?
A. 100%
B. All of the Above.
C. None of the Above.

rightmouse @ 283

This only threat from Catholism is too us lapsed ones... the only reason I am not ex-communicated is the priest couldn't catch me in the parking lot to serve the papers...

#130 Athos

The OPEC countries are pumping pretty close to capacity now (they tend to cheat on the production restricitions). The largest limiting factor we have in the U.S. is our own refining capacity. We have not built a new refinery since 1976, according to my research, due to environmental restrictions. We outgrew our ability to refine oil into gasoline about 10 years ago and have been briding the gap since by importing gasoline from Europe. In addition, our consumption demand is very inelastic, i.e., it does not drop much relative to a price increase. Therefore any little surge in demand or drop in available supply results in a significant price increase. Ultimately, the market will react to prices and we will get back to some sort of equilibrium, but I think the days of gasoline at less than $2 a gallon are a thing of the past. The quickest way to lower the market price of gasoline is to make your demand more elastic, i.e., sensitive to a price increase. In other words, cut your consumption. But so far I see little sign of that happening. For example, I ride my bicycle to work most days that the weather allows (less than 5 miles each way) and I'm viewed as a bit of a nut for doing so by my co-workers. Until we change that way of thinking, high gasoline prices are here to stay.

Catholic school girls rule!

#246 3 wood: You are right. The US has not built a refinery in 26 years. With that said I would like to see the native americans build refineries instead of casinos. On their land of course.

#248 steve

There's a lot more money in casinos :-)

#218 zombie

Good analysis here [Link: austinbay.net...]

#67 BabbaZee

#62 BrunoMitchell

All that good men need to do for evil to thrive is...nothing.

Or worse still, be like this treacherous "peace activist". But then we know the definition of "peace activist" is "someone who is on the other side".

#249 JohnSteele
Not if they can thumb there noses at the EPA and the watermelons, and produce it for far less and sell it for a little less.

#252 BenZacharia

Hmmm, true, but I believe the EPA regs apply to Indian land as well. There is a limit to sovereignty :-)

249 JohnSteele: Maybe maybe not. With the price of gas, even if it drops I personally believe that in the long run refineries would benifit the economy more that casinos.

Unfortunately The Native Americans penchant for gambling is well known.

Geez..and it looks like it ain't just Whitney rambling sedition on the 'Axis' site

Get the military out of our schools

Put Down Your White Man's Burden, Support Iraqi Resistance

And don't think these guys wax treason just because of Iraq

Arrogant Nation

What was it that allowed our country to have become so arrogant? Was it our taming of The West? Was it our near annihilation of The American Indian, the original inhabitants of this country? Was it our ability to have been so successful in an enslavement of The African American people? Was it our capacity to have economically ravaged Central America and The Caribbean? Was it our capacity for technological development? How about our having bombed Viet Nam and Cambodia into near stone-age oblivion? Then there was our war with Iraq in 1991, and the fact that we were able to kill 350 Iraqis for every American soldier who died. And what about our ability to have been so good at polluting the earth’s atmosphere setting the stage for a rather tragic warming of the world? Or the fact that four percent of the world’s population has been so successfully able to have consumed 35% of the world’s wealth? And what about the fact that we, no doubt, have the greatest military force in the history of the world, one that could destroy the entirety of the human race several times over? And what about our willingness to have thumbed our noses at nearly every institutional effort to resolve some of the world’s most grave problems (The World Court, The Kyoto Treaty on Climate Change, The Anti-Ballistic Treaty with Russia, The 2001 UN Conference on Racism, as well as other international attempts to resolve pending world problems). And finally, we can bask in the glory of having been so successful in bringing peace, prosperity and security to a democratic Iraq!

I hope I never meet these "writers" in real life...I'd slap the sh*t out of 'em.

#245 CatholicSchoolGirl

Your nickname brings back memories of watching the girls in my neighborhood walk home from the local Catholic high school in their uniforms with white kneehigh socks...wow! That was when it first dawned on me that there were other interests in life for a then teenage boy than playing baseball and football.

#246 3 wood - you're absolutely correct - I had forgotten to mention elasticities.
I believe SUV sales are down, but the lag between the slump and the increases in oil show how inelastic demand is.

#245 CatholicSchoolGirl
HA!
I'm not Catholic but my son goes to a Catholic school run by the Sisters of Notre Dame.
The only dangerous thing I know about the Catholic Church is the incense. Wow, that stuff could rip the hair right off a wooly mammoth.

He should join the mujahideen, they hate America more than they love their own children, just like him. He would fit right in.
Wonder how his wife feels about him wanting her son's head in a box to prove a political point? If my husband said that shit, it would be divorce time, end of story!

253 JohnSteele

EPA & Tribal lands

There is a lot to wade through.

#242 IrishJean

High Temperature Reactor, also known as Pebble-Bed Reactor.

#189 gren

..I dislike their use of religion as a political tool,..

Examples please.

At least the nutty Christians here keep to blowing up a few Planned Parenthood clinics here and there, instead of detonating children on a regular basis.

How many abortion clinics went "boom" in the US the last 5 years?

#256 3 wood

Ever saw Japanese schoolgirls?
LOL

3 wood @ 256

We had no idea... of the power of the uniform.

BenZacharia: I believe you are right. It would be great to see 10 to 12 new refineries built in the US. What a boost to our economy.

#261 FabioC. Thanks! And this is revolutionary, how? (Keep it simple for this luddite, please).

rightmouse @ 258

LOL The smell of Murphy's Oil brings it all back to me... and trying to come up with something for Confession... it was tough.. a little first grader... so I just made them up.. which now I realize... is a sin... lol lol lol

#189 gren

Republican strong arm tactics?

Last I looked it was a MINORITY of Dems that REFUSE to even allow a CONSTITUTIONAL vote on judicial nominees... along with holding a rally in a CHURCH (Central Presbyterian..part of the anti-Israel PCUSA organization) labeling conservatives who support the Constitutional up/down vote as "UNAMERICAN."

sheesh

#245 CSG

It's kind of a knee jerk reaction on my part. I see the name and I think of the song.

#263 FabioC.

Nope. Did I miss out on something?

#262 Buckeye Abroad re: 189

Self idendification as 'Christian' is not valid, unlike 'slimehood where all you have to do is be born, in Judaism (other than reconstruction and other social forms of Judaism) and Christianity there are beliefs that must be accepted. The bomber Eric Rudolph was no more a Christian than arafish was.

#189
1.They are nutty not nutty christian. Any Christian who use violence to acheive their stated aim is not a Christian.
Anybody can call themselves anything they want, that does not make them that thing.

2. Who says he is imaginary?

#243 Darleen

Their mission statement is a jumble of senseless babble.

www.axisoflogic.com is comprised of an all-volunteer group of writers and editors who are committed to publishing news and commentary that is often not presented in the major news outlets.

Fine. If you are "writers and editors," you would know that THE WHOLE COMPRISES THE PARTS!

Our world view consists of ideals for world peace; democracy (i.e. self-governance by the people); self-determination of all nations (people); respect for national sovereignty; noninterference in the domestic affairs of any nation by foreign governments; fair and just economic systems; responsibility for the preservation and protection of nature and compassion for ourselves and our fellow human beings.

That's not a world view, that is a string of buzzwords spliced with semicolons. Let's enumerate the "fair and just economic systems." There's capitalism, and...wait...it'll come to me...

We are not to be identified as "Democrats", "Republicans", "Capitalists", "Communists" or "Socialists", "Progressives" or with any label that can be reduced to a religion, organization or any other "ism". We offer no such target for attack by the enemies of the truth.

In other words, their philosophy is a nebulous, undefined thing that cannot be attacked because it has no name. That's very clever. If they were to gain power, it would keep them from making committments to their subjects because they rule by a system that has no name. They would be dangerous if they were not ludicrous.

#266 IrishJean

It would be a long story, but fortunately I already wrote about it at some length.

It always confounds me that people who seem to be reasonably intelligent, can be so screwed up psychologically. Maybe somethin' to do with their toilet traning? May they all "snarfle the Garthock"
My first post, and I'm glad to be here!

#232 JohnSteele
#239 CatholicSchoolGirl

You may be right about the threat from Lutherans as opposed to Catholics however you have the weapon/method wrong...its all of those casserole recipies!

#270 3 wood

There's a whole lot of lore and imagery about Japanese Schoolgirls... some definitely adult-oriented. Many manga and anime too. A famous one is Gogo in Kill Bill I.

I also like Asian girls, so...

#267 CatholicSchoolGirl

Too funny. :)

My son was bummed when he couldn't do first communion along with the rest of his classmates - I explained that it was because we were Protestant. But there are some Jewish children there too, so he wasn't alone.

But this year, it backfired on me because one of the little Jewish girls brought her grandmother to school before Passover and she was handing out matzoh (sp?) bread. My son refused to eat it saying, "I can't, I'm Protestant". He got into big trouble with the nuns.

Eggs Ackley: Welcome aboard!

272 Steve
Sargent York used deadly violence, and yes he was/is a Christian. Many real Christians and Jews killed Nazis to save others and etc. etc.

So I'm going to disagree.

# 242 IJ

From Dictionary.com :

sur·plus·age( P ) Pronunciation Key (sûrpl-sj)
n.
(1) Surplus; excess.
(2) An excess of words; verbiage.
(3) Law. Irrelevant matter in a pleading

(grins)

Absolute vs comparative advantage, as a basic tool can be useful, but it doesn't work to predict a reliable outcome in a world as complex as ours where different philosophies, belief systems, political systems, etc. all work to preclude an individual from working in its own best interest (applies to groups as well).

For example, reducing poverty is generally considered "good". Unless, of course, the poverty that is reduced allows another "group" the luxury of putting resources, previously used to provide basic needs, into the production of armies, weapons, etc. utilized to expand or enforce a political / religious / philosophical viewpoint that is incapatible with ours.

In the real world, it is to the advantage of the U.S. to have its enemies mired in poverty rather than prosporous enough to challenge us militarily. Thus, it would be better for us to use up all the oil rather than to allow it to be used to militarize enemies of the U.S. or assist them in becoming economically superior to us. Keeping our enemies at an economic disadvantage is in our best interests and is a primary reason why we have no business running a net-trade defecit with China.

Now, if we could just get the whole world to embrace our outlook on freedom, democracy, capitilism, individual responsiblity, and so on, then working to eliminate poverty might be something in our best interests.

Just my take on things, thanks for participating in a nice reasoned discussion, I have enjoyed it.