I think most liberals are traitors.

Huh? What is the point of this nonsense?

Perhaps she should address her column to her own country.

Whooo-Hoooo, another Nodrog free thread.

Back on topic, the 22nd Amendment is Bush's friend now, as I think he has tacked toward being like the first President Bush, he'd have a tough time winning in 2008.

Of course, who ever runs as the GOP candidate in 2008 will have some heavy baggage trying to defend an administration that seems to have gone wobbly on foreign policy, and has domestic policy aside from Judicial appointments indistinguishable from Bill Clinton.

Yes, beheadings are very attractive.

/sarcasm

I think most liberals are traitors.

If so, it's treason borne of adolescent immaturity and a need to rebel against perceived authority. Even liberals in their 50's can still be emotionally immature.

A childish tantrum ... which is why they can seldom defend their points of view reasonably, and why they need to demonize those who do not agree with them.

Coupled with paranoid delusions... like the current hip paranoia about Theocracy.

She makes a great point.
I still find it hard to believe that Sharon would intentionally damage the country that he fought for for 50 years.
But the thought of Palestinian swine getting control of Israeli homes in Gaza is more than I care to stomach. Leaving these homes intact is not going to make the Israelis any more loved, so tear them down.
I can buy into the arguement of shortening the lines of defense, but why give the Palestinians any reason to claim a victory.

5- Context, context.

She is talking about beheadings as a recruitment tool for Islamic terrorists.

Israel declaring defeat in the face of victory over the Intifada and withdrawing from Gaza will also do much to bolster terrorist morale.

Hear Hear!

6 Abu Messerschmitt-

Saith the Nodrog: Any thread where many, many posters seem to agree with the statement that "most liberals are traitors" is unworthy of my continued attention. Goodbye.

#10 --- Oh, in that case "Liberals are treasonous scumbags."

(Close enough?)

the US supporting terrorists in Gaza

there you have it ladies and gentlemen

That says it all

#1 and #4 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades
re: your #1 - I think I've seen you write that before! ;>)
re: your #4 - SHISSSSS, man that's like whistling while you walk past the graveyard!

#12 atlasshrugged

Please explain how the PLO is not a terrorist organisation.

OT: Man held after blast at British consulate

He's a Dutch analyst for the United Nations...

However:

"He is not being treated as a suspect at this stage," the spokesperson said. "It could be that he just happened to be in the area."

"Shelving democracy perhaps?"

Nope, that one is non-negotiable. Bush/Connie agree that we prefer a truly democratic government that hates us over a dictator that loves us.

The people will come around, and vote in a leader that gives them security. Both financial and physical.

the lefties in Israel are a different kind of toxin, lethal do doubt ................they will certainly be the end of the Jewish people

It's always your own people that do you in....

Re my #14 - Sorry Ed, your #10 hadn't posted as I was writing my #14. I would point out to you, however, that just because Nodrog SAYS so, doesn't mean he'll DO so. You know the kid is a NBM* don't you?!

*NBM = Natural Born Masochist.

Caroline Glick is like the female version of VDH

But on topic

She makes a very good point, also in the article she refers to Pipes "Hamas vs. America" column. The disengagement could trigger those forces in US to do an attack. Also this disengagement could be very dangerous for troops in Iraq.

While right now the Zarqawi terrorists are demoralized. While it's true they have been successful in the past few weeks with devastating attacks, you also have to look at what they are attacking, police/army recruits and Kurds, in the hopes of stopping the ever more effective security forces and trying to repeat what they failed to do with the Shi'ites.

But with the pictures of the disengagement being broadcast and looped throughout the entire arab world, it will most likely regenerate the terrorists. If Hamas can do it to "little satan", they can do it to the "great satan".

How about the "glaring inconsistencies in the Israeli approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict?" Nah, blame America for not doing the right thing by Israel, when even Israel can't agree to what the right thing to do is. Don't mind the long lines.

If the Friendly Arab State is an islamic state it is defacto UNfriendly. So what they demand should get bupkis.

oh and

8 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I give you credit for my new signature

Liberals are TRAITORS

I am really worried about how the situation with Israel will pan out. I hold them as our staunchest ally in the world and want nothing but the best for them. Heck, sometimes I think I would have more luck trying to find a nice Israeli to marry than an American.

I really hope our collective leaders have some ace up their sleeve... Something that would nullify any claims of victory by the terrorists.

#14 Colt - How you doing, guy? I think you may have mis-read atlasshrugged's comment - I know she knows the PLO is a terrorist organization.
By-the-bye - what's your take on the elections? I mean over here the MSM (well, to be fair, the MSM over there, as well) is treating Blair's THIRD election victory in a row as a defeat (i.e., he may be forced to quit as PM before his term is up -typical MSM
"analyists"; Blair said before the election that he didn't want to serve out his entire term as PM if he won).

Life isn't just theological argument. You bite off as much as you can chew, and let the rest go. Sharon is right here. Life is too short to fight over a hellhole like Gaza. Fight to the death over Jerusalem, any day any way, but certainly not over Gaza.

#25 RBMN
choose your battles. I would agree with you.

Zulubaby on the latest thread about the potty-mouthed Coulter protestor at UT said the "I believe most liberals are traitors", and blowing some steam through his ears and twitching, Nodrog left.

Zulubaby is garlic to the Nodrog vampire.

Gen. Janis Karpinski who tried to pin Abu Ghraib on Israel has been demoted.

Like in WW2, the Jews are the canaries in the coal mine of this war, WW4. If we lose Israel, our enemies will be so emboldened that only total war, and (as before) tens of millions of deaths will be required to defeat them. Will those who stand on the side of good again fail to learn the lessons of history before it is too late? Will we not act to stop the evils of Islamic fascism before its adherents secure and employ multiple nuclear weapons? Well, we do live in interesting times...

25 RBMN

I am with you (and I am probably a minority on LGF) in that I think that Gaza ia a shit ole and Israel can better defend herself without being bogged down there.

I really hope our collective leaders have some ace up their sleeve... Something that would nullify any claims of victory by the terrorists.

How about a nice, fat MOAB.

OT

The Palestine Activist Forum of New York (PAFNY) issued an angry denunciation of the NYPD statements. PAFNY "deplores in the strongest terms the efforts in the press to link our peaceful protest on April 13, 2005 -- opposing Caterpillar's sale of machinery used by the Israeli military to illegally demolish Palestinian civilian homes -- to the explosion in Manhattan today," the group said in a statement."There is no point in mentioning the Stop Caterpillar campaign or JATO in news accounts of this explosion, since there is no link, except to smear us."

[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]

#3 Cole Slaw
#21 Model4

Both your points are very well taken. And honestly Israel has to take responsibility for itself.

The problem is that when it's most important ally say's that the bad idea is good, it weakens the resistance too it.

14 Colt

Please explain how the PLO is not a terrorist organisation.

what are you talking about? I say just the opposite, see comment #12

the US supporting terrorists in Gaza

there you have it ladies and gentlemen

That says it all

Get thee beack to the barn, AN NO MORE CARROTS - just oats for you today

28 freedomsound

Jesus H. Christ that is one ugly looking woman!

#23 Hypothesis: Didn't the Arabs "claim victory" after they were defeated handily by Israel's military? Nothing can stop the claims. Besides, isn't handing over the territory what the elected government of Israelis wants? Certainly not all, but that's how democracy works. Israel's leaders chosen by Israel's people are getting what they want, which is a victory for Israel. If this isn't what Israel wants, the time to speak up is now (well, a long time ago). If the Israeli government isn't doing right by the Israeli people, they need to speak up.

#23 Hypothesis -

I am really worried about how the situation with Israel will pan out. I hold them as our staunchest ally in the world and want nothing but the best for them.

I'd have to disagree with you on that and offer Australia and Japan as counterexamples. I'm not anti-Israel by any stretch, but I don't think I could call them our closest ally.

I would say they need us more than any other nation in the world, but that's because we're basically their only friend and without us they'd be screwed. However, if you define an alliance as a mutually beneficial relationship, I would have to go with those two before Israel.

#31

bury a few of those MOABs under
gaza and the Golan Heights just in case......oh sh*t Karl caught me giving out plans....... the frock not the frock noooooo

Liberals are TRAITORS

That's no woman, it's a MAN, bay-bee!

Islam is our friend

35 Joel

Jesus H. Christ

uh.....whats the H stand for? Always wanted to know

#41 Atlasshrugged

H is for Harold! On a rubber crutch, btw.

ot

WE OWE IT ALL TO GUTTENBERG

amen

not Herbert?

You realize, that "liberals are traitors" will only work until LMD comes up with one of his typically brilliant retorts, such as "Are not" or possibly, "Oh, yeah, well conservatives are traitors, too."

#25 RBMN
Fighting for Jerusalem...

You mean like the Israeli Police fighting and preventing jews and christians who wish to pray on the temple mount ?

And I'm not even speaking of rebuilding the temple in a city wich has been under jewish authority for more than 30 years...

#34 atlasshrugged - Colt's a really great guy; if you see my #24, I think he just mis-read your post.
As to the no carrots, c'mon, give the guy a break, after all it's his birthday!

Happy Birthday, Colt
(ducks and runs for cover)
;>)

#33 manker:

The problem is that when it's most important ally say's that the bad idea is good, it weakens the resistance too it.

Oh, I totally agree. It's definitely a factor, but doesn't absolve Israel of its responsibility to act and speak as a sovereign state. There's plenty of "blame America so we don't have to look at ourselves" going around the globe, don't want to see Israel doing the same.

Personally, we know who and where a ton of the terrorists and their supporters are. We should be killing them. Neither Israel nor America are doing enough of this in my book.

#30 Joel

25 RBMN

I am with you (and I am probably a minority on LGF) in that I think that Gaza ia a shit ole and Israel can better defend herself without being bogged down there.

I am in that minority as well. Now, if only Israel could gain some good will from the international community for her good deeds...but I'm not holding my breath.

41 atlasshrugged

I think it stands for Herbert. Seriously though that term comes from the play "Who's Afraid of Virgiia Woolf" by Edward Albee.

#21 Model4

How about the "glaring inconsistencies in the Israeli approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict?"

Caroline Glick writes pretty scathingly about that, too.

#24 realwest

I think you may have mis-read atlasshrugged's comment - I know she knows the PLO is a terrorist organization.

Yeah, I think I did too - apology below :-)

I'm about to write something about the election for my blog.

Blair said before the election that he didn't want to serve out his entire term as PM if he won

That's the problem. His successor, Gordon Brown (chancellor), is basically Old Labour. In three years, the gov't will be taxing 40% of the British GNP - the same level as the end of the 1970s - and with more tax increases to come.

#34 atlasshrugged

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

I happen to like oats... :-)

#45 V the K

you may be right, but its so true and I have the Federalist Papers on my side to prove it

Liberals are TRAITORS

#24 realwest

I'm well, thanks for asking - you?

49 freedomsound

Israel should never expect good will from the international community. She should do what she thinks is in her own best interests and at least get the respect of the same international community. I always thought that having more IDF troops in Gaza then there are settlers to protect, is a poor use of limited manpower. Kassmes should be answered by .155mm artillery rounds directed on Gaza City and Jabaliyah Refugee camp. It may be cruel in the beginning but like the decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it will ultiamtely save more lvies then it destroys.

#36 Model4

You can always claim victory in the face of defeat. If I recall, Saddam's Information Minister did a lot of that. The world laughed at him though as the footage showed anything else. Footage of terrorists tearing down buildings, however, is more convincing.

But, as you said and as I recall reading, not all of Israel is united behind the pullout. Not that there is any action in America that everyone agrees with either. So all they and we can do (depending on what country is involved) is made our voices heard then sit back as our leaders make the decisions. I don't think there is anything wrong with hoping that our leaders make the right decision.

#37 Tangonine

You are right in that Japan and Australia are both kick-ass allies. Hrm... Now it is really hard to try and 'rank' any of them. I just got hung up on all the awesome tech I see coming out of Israel and the ammount of fighting they do.

Mmmmm... Tech. I have an almost unhealthy love for technology. The song of machinery is so soothing.

That and you have to respect a people that refuse to go down when it seems almost the entire world is gunning for them.

#48 Model4

but doesn't absolve Israel of its responsibility to act and speak as a sovereign state.

I definitely agree, I do believe that had Israel really put it's foot down earlier (too many points in history to count)then a lot of these problems wouldn't exists today.

Personally, we know who and where a ton of the terrorists and their supporters are. We should be killing them. Neither Israel nor America are doing enough of this in my book.

I agree with you here too.

#54 Joel

.155mm artillery rounds

That'll leave a nasty rash :-)

#5 fugazi35

I think the sarcasm was already in there.

57 Colt

and a lot of Arab protoplasm to sweep off of buildings nad streets!

#57 Joel

A 155mm shell will do that. A 0.155mm shell won't.

First post. Been waiting a long time to register (like trying to catch a greased chicken), but long time follower/reader of posts.

I am a big supporter of Israel, but don't they (and we) get a little tired of being surrounded by a pack of wolves? They could be such an even more productive country if they didn't have to guard against national mugging since the very birth of the country.

Give 'em Cuba.

(Toungue in cheek, not meant to be disrespectful, I know its Holy Land and all)

Excited to be able to post. Thanks, Charles

#25
You said:
Life isn't just theological argument. You bite off as much as you can chew, and let the rest go. Sharon is right here. Life is too short to fight over a hellhole like Gaza. Fight to the death over Jerusalem, any day any way, but certainly not over Gaza.
***************************
Have to beg to differ. I will gladly send you photo's of Gush Katif, et al, taken the end of April---I have well over 100. Where the Israeli's are in Gaza is certainly no hellhole, but beautiful urban areas near the sea. Don't confuse the words 'outposts' and 'settlements' and 'occupied territories' with the truth. And I will tell you that if Yesha goes, so will Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and the rest of Israel.

Israeli's live in less than 5% of Gaza...think of it...the whole of Israel could fit twice in Lake Michigan. Giving up ANY land will cause her to bleed to death.

Glick is right, why are we fighting against terrorists everywhere but in Israel, where the terrorists will be and are being rewarded? There are such forward minded people who think that if Hamas becomes more political by winning any of the coming elections then perhaps we should be dealing with these monsters in more diplomatic ways. This kind of progressiveness needs to be nipped in the bud.

Eretz Yisrael Le'Am Yisrael
Am Yisrael Chai

beej

If Isreal has to pull out of Gaza because of agreements made, why can't they leave scorched earth behind? Whay are they going to leave property still standing? I say burn everything and sterilize the ground.

itsnotrocketscience

welcome aboard

and yes it is to the DUmmies and Kos Kids

Liberals are TRAITORS

#63

MOABs under the ground

oh and
Liberals are TRAITORS

KeepandBear

What's a MOAB?

#63 howyadoin

If Isreal has to pull out of Gaza because of agreements made, why can't they leave scorched earth behind? Whay are they going to leave property still standing? I say burn everything and sterilize the ground.

When Israeli governments do things, it is usually for one (or more) of these reasons:

(a) Personal profit
(b) Pleasing the United States
(c) Not being lynched by the electorate

WRT giving the houses to the PLO, I suspect (b) as the most significant factor - though (a) is probably involved somewhere.

Colt, how would the Isreali Government profit from leaving property and fertile ground behind them to enemies?

And as a humble citizen of the United States, I am NOT pleased. Just confused.

Can you guys clarify something for me? Are the settlements that Sharon wants to abandon inside or outside the perimeter of the fence? (Yeah, I know that sounds like a stupid question - probably is)

Hey, I'm off to pick up my monkey from Preschool. I would still like to know what a OAB is and how Isreals gov will profit from leaving behind property and fertile ground.

#67

MOAB

Liberals are TRAITORS

Oop, MOAB.

Gotta run. Will check back later.

#28 freedomsound
Karpinski demoted. About time.

#54 Joel

I know what you are saying. I see the disengagement from Gaza as a shoring up of defenses and a redirection of manpower first and foremost, but that doesn't mean Israel shouldn't take the opportunity to remind the world just how much land she has given up over the years.

Israel needs to do a much better job in countering the lies in general. I often wonder if the Israelis understand how important it is. Leaving the spin of anti-Israel propaganda to go virtually unchallenged year after year certainly energizes the jihad, just as surely as the disengagement images Ms Glick warns of.

Keepandbear

Oooooh. Pretty. And I'm not being sarcastic.

#67 howyadoin:

What's a MOAB?

A nuke placebo for those who want to nuke, but are afraid of the stigma of saying "nuke."

It's also a bomb that won't work underground.

@27 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Yer falling down on the job, and where's zb?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

#70 howyadoin

how would the Isreali Government profit from leaving property and fertile ground behind them to enemies?

Quick example: several senior Likud politicians (and Labor ones, too) own shares in a PLO-owned casino in Jericho. When Jericho is locked down by the IDF, the politicians lose income. Thus, Jericho is the first Arab town in Judea and Samaria to be turned over to the PLO whenever there's a "peace plan" in the works.

Shimon Peres suggested the PLO build a tourist resort in Gaza using the abandoned homes. I'm cynical enough to believe he'll be involved financially.

#71 grayp

You mean in Samaria ('west bank')? Yes.

#80 Colt

I'm cynical enough to believe he'll be involved financially.

You really don't need to be cynical to believe that. Why else would he specifically say club med, when their is already one in Eilat (I think).

Quark- It does prove the point. The only thread w/o the Zulubaby talisman of protection was quickly infected, whilst this thread is Nodrog free.

The Caroline Glick article is a tough read. I hate to think she's right, but how can you deny it? We've got a long way to go to defeat radical Islam, and not just militarily, either. We've got to educate Americans and those guys "over there," in Europe. It's going to be a long, hard, battle.

Personally, I am against the Gaza give away. But if Israeli leaders are going to do it, they should also close the gates and shut of the lights and water when they leave. Let the PLO-Arabs create their own jobs. Let them build their own infrastructure. Let them live separately from the Jews since this is what they want.

And every mortar that comes over the fence from Gaza should be answered with 2000 lb. bombs on Gaza City.

GBU-43/B "Mother Of All Bombs"
MOAB - Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb
The GBU-43/B is large, powerful and accurately delivered. The 21,700-pound bomb contains 18,700 pounds of high explosive. It is 30 feet long with a diameter of 40.5 inches. The warhead is a blast-type warhead. It was developed in only nine weeks to be available for the Iraq campaign, but it was not used.

The US Air Force has developed the 21,000-lb. [9,500 kilogram], satellite-guided Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bombs (MOAB) as a successor to the the 15,000-lb. "Daisy Cutters" used in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Air Force is said to call MOABs (pronounced MOE-ab) the mother of all bombs. As with the earlier Daisy Cutter, these huge bombs are dropped out of the rear of the C-130 cargo plane.

Unlike the Daisy Cutter, the MOAB is released without the use of a parachute. As a result, the aircraft releasing the bomb can fly at higher altitudes, thus making it safer for US pilots. This replacement for the BLU-82 bomb uses more of the slurry of ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum used in the BLU-82. Other reports indicate that the MOAB might use tritonal explosive as opposed to the gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82.

In other words, very VERY big boom. Probably one of the most powerful pieces of ordnance we have short of a nuke.

MOAB

Thanks, Birthday Boy.

It's hard to read the cynicism about the Israeli gov't here. It hurts my heart. But I'm going to go off the reservation and disagree with Glick. She has a point, what she writes is true. But it is irrelevant. The Arab/Muslim culture is about nothing BUT fantasy-pride. It is incorrect tactics to worry about it and how it might be affected by the overall strategy. The Arabs have fed off a lie for over a millenium and look where it's got them.

Now, is giving up the settlements the correct strategy? I still am not sure - but if they're truly not defensible...well, then.

You know, this is really fueling my desire to go to Israel and just see for myself. I'm one of those women who simply cannot mentally translate maps.

Oh, and whoever it was on this blog that recommended The Closed Circle by David-Pryce Jones, there is a special place reserved for you in heaven.

#76
There is a really good op/ed in the Jerusalem Post re: Israel countering the lies and propaganda. I think it ran today..I can't link to it, forgot my password, but it is written by Michael Freund.

Beej

Model4

betcha it would with a little baby bomb under it
=)

My theory is this of the pull-out

Once The Palis are within the boundrys of Gaza and they decide to shoot off rockets, then Sharon believes he has every right to retaliate in kind by destroying those buildings left behind +

#86

AKA:

Mother Of All Bombs, right?

I'll just have to repeat myself.

Peace will only happen with a military victory.

Turn loose the IDF

I forgot.

liberals are TRAITORS!

#91 beej 5/6/2005 10:28AM PDT
#86

AKA:

Mother Of All Bombs, right?

You are correct!

#92 USMC RECON

Peace will only happen with a military victory.

And an unconditional surrender.

Oh, and by the way...

Liberals are traitors!

#89 keepandbear: The MOAB is a fuel air explosive, unless I'm totally off track here. Its Daisy Cutter predecessor definitely was. It is designed to burst open at altitude to create a vapor mix of, well, fuel and air which is then ignited. Trying to do this underground would be incredibly less than optimal.

Or, as even Smirky McHalliHitler is smart enough to know, let's give the military goals and our support, and let them worry about the details of how it actually gets done :)

#95
If the IDF is as good as I think, There will be no one left to surrender.

This makes me happy.

Model4

you are correct. but if you change the bomb around a little and put a cutting charge ahead of the bomb and a heaving charge behind it you could put that baby right where she needs to be

Liberals are TRAITORS

#98 USMC RECON

;-)

Celer, Silens, Mortalis

#98 USMC RECON
makes me happy too

Liberals ARE traitors!

Besides speculation, accidents and WAGS ( wild a$$ guesses ) are where many of the best inventions come from. And its fun

Liberals are TRAITORS

LIBERALS are traiters
liberals ARE traiters
liberals are TRAITERS

#99 keepandbear: Technically you can throw rifle bullets at people too.

#40 reelcobra
Any muslim who obeys the koran is forbidden to befriend any infidel. However, he/she may pretend to do so, ie, may LIE.

Islam is an ideology that is WAY past it's "best if used by" date.

71 grayp

I think it was you who asked a week or two ago for some jokes to cheer up a friend. If I'm wrong,sorry. Anyway, here's one I got today

An elderly man in Florida had owned a large farm for several years.

He had a large pond in the back, fixed up nice; picnic tables, horseshoe courts, and some apple and peach trees. The pond was ideal for swimming, although he rarely did that anymore.

One evening he decided to go down to the pond, as he hadn't been there for a while, and look it over. He grabbed a five gallon bucket with which to bring back some fruit.

As he neared the pond, he heard voices shouting and laughing with glee.

As he came closer he saw it was a bunch of young women skinny-dipping in his pond.

He made the women aware of his presence and they all went to the deep end.

One of the women shouted to him, "We're not coming out until you leave!"

The old man frowned, "I didn't come down here to watch you ladies swim naked or to make you get out of the pond naked." Holding the bucket up He said, "I'm here to feed the alligator."

Moral: Old men can still think fast.

Okay you win

sheesh

Liberals are TRAITORS

#100

It's what we are.

In reference to direct personal profit by Likud members, in particular casinos and resorts, I'm the first to admit I am a naive idealist. It's hard for me to hand my hat on the idea that they would sacrifice the security of their own land and people for $$$.

Of course, I just need to read the OT and many other histories of past nations (NOT saying Isreal is "past") to see that it really has happened.

Any examples of it occuring today in the US? Gov. folks profitting financially from a personal agendat that would bring them $$ but weaken the nation?

#100 not neo just conservative 5/6/2005 10:46AM PDT
#98 USMC RECON

;-)

Celer, Silens, Mortalis

I believe the last two adjectives are frequently used to describe a certain variety of flatulence. Just sayin'...

*ducks*

That should be:

hang my hat

Shees, you'd think I was blonde, or something.

#109 howyadoin
How YOO doin?

BabbaZee
Heyder, hoyadoin,too? I'm being real blonde, at the moment. Brain moving faster than the fingers.

#107 keepandbear

Actually, Keep and Bear, they've got ordnance that does sort of what you suggested up at #99. The 'bunker busters' are designed for deep penetration, have a delayed fuse to make sure it doesn't go boom until it should, and when it does, it consists of HE to break things up and a fuel-air type of explosion to suck the O2 out of the targetted underground and/or hardened facilities and suffocate anyone that doesn't get caught up in the initial explosion.

#110 Bunker Buster

Now that's just wrong... :-)

Chao! Nap time with the monkey.

#110

It seems bunkers are not the only thing you are busting.

#109

Something like this? From Polipundit

This Could Be Political Dynamite

Now this is a report that I look forward to reading. I first learned about this attempted cover up just last week from Tony Snow. Tony provided names and phone numbers for the House and Senate conferees at his website. It looks like some people may have been hitting the phones.

-- Lorie Byrd

Posted at 8:23 pm Link to this post | Comments (80)
[Link: polipundit.com...]

#88 beej

Thanks very much, I found it. That's just what I mean.

War of the words – let's begin fighting it

It is a war that Israel has never really fought, despite the inestimable damage which it continues to inflict. And while our foes have been on the offensive for decades, claiming one victory after another, most of us have yet to even acknowledge its significance.

It is the "War of the Words," or of terminology. It is a battle to define and describe Israel's conflict with its neighbors, and it is time that we started thinking ahead and fighting back.

#87 grayp

You know, this is really fueling my desire to go to Israel and just see for myself. I'm one of those women who simply cannot mentally translate maps.

You really should visit Israel!

One thing that I think you will find quite startling is how close the enemy is to large population centers inside the green line.

Israel is a very tiny country.

Her soldiers fight in a war against a very vicious enemy and then go home to their families on the weekends (because their families are almost right there on the front lines themselves.)

Israel is also a very energetic country - Israelis are out in huge numbers in morning rushhour traffic (places to go, people to see.)

On the evening of the hit against Yassin last year, I expected Israelis to be nervous (wondering how Hamas might try to respond.)

I went out for a long walk on this lovely spring evening in an Israeli city last year, and what I saw were families out with their children eating ice cream. Jewish families and friends were talking and laughing at tables outside little cafes. Some young boys were doing backflips to impress some young girls.

One would never know that Israel was in a war at all on that evening. Israelis were just out there living their lives.

You should see this for yourself, honestly.

rightasrain
hey! Where ya ben? Ya boy eight-jelly legs wasdissin' you earlier today!

#116 howyadoin
nap time with the monkey sounds about right to me LOL

Oh, and whoever it was on this blog that recommended The Closed Circle by David-Pryce Jones, there is a special place reserved for you in heaven.

I'm not sure if I recommended it on LGF, but I certainly recommend it.

Hey colt

You were right

Jericho casino could reopen to Israelis soon

I'm late getting on this thread, so here's my two cents. I think that Sharon is doing the right thing by pulling out of Gaza. There are only a few thousand Jews living there, and over a million Palestinians. This makes for a security nightmare. The state of Israel has to consider reality if it is to survive, and I want to see it survive. I think that Sharon is doing what he needs to do so that the state of Israel will survive.
Gaza is a hole. Isreal doesn't need to be there, because all it means, is that Israel is in charge of a hole.

#87 grayp:

Oh, and whoever it was on this blog that recommended The Closed Circle by David-Pryce Jones, there is a special place reserved for you in heaven.

Its been recommended here many times by many different people, including Charles back in March. But since I most recently recommended it, I'll claim the credit! Now, as far as that special place reservation, you know I already knew about that.

They should hand over all the homes, factories, roads, infrastructure in the Gaza Strip.

Then stand back. Watch the "Palestinians" fight over it and then show how will they can run green-houses.

Show how the Palestinians can make a Zimbabwee.

Isreal cannot hold the Gaza strip and the West Bank. Build the wall and have the heavy artillary ready for a mission fire where ever the Radar tracks a mortor or missile is launched from. A hundred 155's is going to upset anyone. Make it part of policy, 1 mortor equals 1 hundred 155 mm ant-personel shells.

It's actually quite cheap.

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125 HOYODE

I think that Sharon is doing the right thing by pulling out of Gaza. There are only a few thousand Jews living there, and over a million Palestinians.

and that, my dear friends, is the emmis

a fait accompli

#19 manker
"Caroline Glick is like the female version of VDH"
I intended to say just that. She should be propagandised more so as to elevate the level of discussion, particularly on this critical subject .

I think that Sharon is doing the right thing by pulling out of Gaza. There are only a few thousand Jews living there, and over a million Palestinians.

If I were an Arab, I would think that is a great theory that should be extrapolated.

How many Jews in Israel? How many Arabs in the Middle East that want them dead?

Victory to the Arabs in inevitable.

The withdrawal from Gaza is proof.

So many blown up buses and dead Jews = Jews run away from Gaza.

X amount of more blown up buses and dead Jews = Jews run away from the Middle East.

Producing X has no time limit.

Time is on the Arab side.

As a Jew, I couldn't possibly imagine that so few years after Oslo was shown- as some of us always predicted- to be such a catastrophic calculation, my people could be even more reckless.

There is no greater burden to carry then a Cassandra's Curse.

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There is no greater burden to carry then a Cassandra's Curse.

Well said!

hoyode (#125)

There are only a few thousand Jews living there, and over a million Palestinians. This makes for a security nightmare.

Now imagine what it will be like 10 years from now. It's a demographic nightmare already. I'm so sick over it though. It may be the smart thing to do but the emotional cost is enormous.

I don't think that destroying the homes there is a good idea. It will cost Israel millions not to mention how destructive it would be environmentally. Having said that, I want to throw up (literally) when I think about the terrorists living in the homes that the Jews built. Psychologically, I can't imagine how devastating that will be for the Gaza Jews.

Haven't seen someone reply to #36 yet, but, no, that's NOT what the Israeli electorate opted for at the last Knesset elections. In fact, the Labor Party, whose platform did call for making 'Aza judenrein, received an unprecedentedly low vote. The Likud, whose platform opposed any such move (and Sharon himself castigated the idea, during the campaign), ended up with twice the Knesset seats as Labor. Sharon, safely esconced in office, betrayed the voters -- not to put too fine a point on it. He tried to gain legitimacy for that betrayal via a referendum of Likud members, promising to abide by the results, thinking he would win the referendum. However, he was soundly defeated -- whereupon his promise to abide by the results promptly went out the window. Cabinet ministers who spoke out against the expulsion plan were summarily fired; the IDF chief-of-staff who has reservations about it is being replaced sooner than would be typical based on past patterns. Sharon refuses to bring the issue to a national referendum (not gonna make THAT mistake again!)-- Let me emphasize again that the expulsion plan is directly contradictory to the platform on which Sharon's party was elected....

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