Well hello! How nice to finally hear some experts agree about this!

Nothing to see here, peasants--I mean, citizens! Move along!

But what does Rev. Jesse Jackson say?

A CANADIAN? Denouncing the Kyoto Protocol? What's gotten into this guy, some sanity?

I think the world just came crashing down around my ears... Just when I thought it was safe to go back into the water...

JAFLW

But. But. But we all know global warming is the greatest threat facing mankind!

#6 -- You're right, of course -- and it's all America's fault!

People: let's seed a bittorrent of this documentary.

This is what Canada's Conservative Party TRIES to point out... but during election campaigns, the governing socialists put forth images on TV of smokestacks and so-on. The Canadian public is extremely reactionary when it comes to the right wing. They'd prefer to endorse things they were told was a good idea by groups who've made their name by "not being American."

But you ask any Canadian about any specifics of Kyoto and they can't tell you a one.

It's friggin' frustrating. There're about 30% of us who're just waiting for the day the US annexes us. Hell, there's a provision in the US constitution which allows for Canada's union with the US without the assent of the states. My plan is to become Prime Minister and then send the overtures to the US president.

I shake my head that Canadians put up with this Orwellian Big Brother overseeing their media. And they pay for the privilege, too.

Telefilm lives by Maier's Law: If the facts don't conform to the theory, they must be disposed of.

I would love to see this thing released on DVDs, webcasts, etc. Maybe it'd even make it to U.S. television.

Not really OT:
The Ten Commandments of Multiculturalism:
[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

(via Dr. Sanity)

Cool.....

Back when the Debates were on... something interesting happened that the MSM neglected to mention. Kerry started out in one debate claiming that Bush was bad, bad, bad... for not going with the Kyoto Treaty... and that Kerry had personally worked for 10 years to get it up and going...

Next debate, Bush hit back, saying the treaty had flaws that made it useless and Kerry, in his rebuttal AGREED WITH BUSH ... Kerry said the treaty was, in his opinion, flawed and not worth joining.

I remember sitting there and saying to my ex, "did you just hear what Kerry said?" and my ex said, "yeah, I heard it too."

#6 JammieWearingFool,

Yes. If only we could get back to the way things were 100,000 years ago. The fuckin' Yankees and Frogs were under an Ice Sheet. Of course there were no Yankees, Frogs (well, French :-) or, for that matter, much of a human race to speak of, but hey, if we're going to be irrational anyway we might as well have irrational reasons for being irrational.

:-P

No surprises.

And it's not just loony government officials:

Associated Press & Global Warming: Never Let Facts Get in the Way of a Good Theory

The Associated Press has recently run two global warming stories by AP Special Correspondent Charles P. Hanley that misrepresent objective facts about climate, apparently for the purpose of leading readers to believe that human activities are causing the planet to warm significantly.

The AP published the same faulty information in another Hanley article nearly a year ago.

The re-publication of information the AP should know to be faulty falls on the heels of another grossly misleading AP story about a global warming report entitled "Meeting the Climate Challenge." Readers of the AP story about the report would likely conclude the report was issued by scientific research organizations - but the sponsors were liberal activist groups.

Can you say "agenda"? Sure you can.

Remember Acid Rain?

Anyone?

I do remember taking acid in the rain.

Hmph. These 'scientists' are probably employed by the coal and oil industries... profiting from pollution... while trying to murder the rest of us... Thanks to the brave folks at Canadian TV for keeping the truth this propaganda off the air.

/mooooonbat

Kyoto is the rock that the LLL jihadis worship. Something like this would gut their pseudo-religion. All Galileos must be ignored.

#15 Bubble Girl

Yeah, and I remember swine flu and articles and TV specials with titles like "The Coming Ice Age: Is It The End of Mankind?"

Also, I'm still waiting for personal hovercraft, a mid-engined Corvette, and the robotic kitchen that cooks and cleans without human intervention.

Algore, he-man of the universe, proved it all in his book ghostwritten by the Unabomber.

Now, why would we doubt Algore and his buddy Ted?

One is a raving psychopath, while the other is locked up in maximum security.

#14 Bubble Girl

Yeah, I remember it. It really did exist, it's a product of the SO and SO2 emissions of power plants. The smokestack scrubbers did a pretty darn good job of eliminating the problem, too. Sometimes the envronmental wackos have a valid point. Sometimes.

Now if only there were a way of eliminating the hot air emitted by all the LLL and other moonbats, the air would be *trememdously* cleaner!

JAFLW

16

JammieWearingFool  5/8/2005 02:40PM PDT
 
I do remember taking acid in the rain.

/A flashback, hunh.....

Belize @ 19

Also, I'm still waiting for personal hovercraft, a mid-engined Corvette, and the robotic kitchen that cooks and cleans without human intervention.

LOL LOL

Iron Fist (#13),

I asked someone about this not long ago. 18,000 years ago most of North America was buried under a sheet of ice two miles thick. Now 17,000 years ago there wasn't a big influx of SUVs so what happened to make all that ice melt?

Um, could it possibly have something to do with ... the SUN ?

21 @ Just Another

Yes, there has been tremendous clean up efforts... when I was a kid I remember the beach on the Gulf had tons of crap on it, from the off-shore rigs... we would have to clean gobs of tar off our feet.. empty liquor bottles, syringes, broken glass, and shoes... but just one of a pair.... now the beaches are clean...

#9 Grumpy Tory Student

Well said. I'm waiting for the same nonsense we saw last year to rear its ugly head this year. Once again, the Liberals will try to convince Canadians (mostly those in Ontario) that the Conservative party, if elected will...

1. Make abortion illegal
2. make homosexuality illegal
3. sell us to the Americans (not a bad thing I suppose)
4. Privatize all health care, primarily so they can kill the poor
5. Convert everybody to Christianity
6. Insert deranged LLL comment here

Michael Crichton (Andromada Strain, Jurasic Park) has a lot to say on this subject. Read this speech he made at the CommonWealth Club in September of 2003.

His latest book, State of Fear, is also about this very subject. I highly recommend it.

Why didn't these scientists speak out before Canada started enacting Kyoto measures? C'mon guys, get on the ball!

Geepers @ 24

The Sun? But the earth is flat... and the moon is made of cheese... it was probably the people who live at the center of the Earth.. you know, the Magnamites...

When Ohio was hit with a major snowstorm a few weeks ago and it took down trees, branches, power lines etc., I went outside to have a cig and several of our moonbat employees were jabbering away about total nonsense as usual and I said to one of the conservative guys I know: "So much for global warming, eh?"

The moonbats sheepishly ducked for cover, one of whom is a gal who coined a phrase "One nation under surveillance". I asked her if she or anyone she knows is under surveillance and she said "no".

She's not a bad person at all, just totally misguided.

Lordy, I hate moonbattiness. It can corrupt even decent people.

#24 Geepers,

It couldn't have anything to do with the Sun. I mean, if it were the Sun it'd be causing climate change on Mars too, right?

OMG this can't really be true, Algore said all those things about global warming.

@ 26

3. sell us to the Americans (not a bad thing I suppose

Really? What is a Canadian worth these days on the market?

The Kyoto Watermelon--green on the outside, red on the inside.

Global warming my ass. I was shoveling 6 inches of snow off my driveway two weeks ago.

Personally, I believe if the Canadian Government refuses to air this documentary, the "Friends of Science" could go to another source: the blogosphere!
Maybe the Cap'n might be interested for starters since he's already pissed off Ottawa already. What about you too Charles?

#15 Bubble Girl

"Remember Acid Rain?"

Yep. And all the BS about DDT too.

In fact, the scientists--armed with the truth--are up against government propaganda and censorship.

Canadians, I love you but I hate your government with a passion. Your government is no friend or ally of the U.S. If I had my say, the U.S. gov't. would fight back....by granting Canadians political asylum from their own government. Double goes for the E.U. (and again, no offense to the people of Europe).

#33 Bubble Girl

Not sure...I've never had anyone make a bid on me personally.

I do know that I wouldn't give you $0.01 for our elected officials.

Rightymouse

I saw a little spot on Chevy Chase... he and his wife have a place in New York and the press was just gushing over his newfangled ideas on how to conserve energy....

Really innovative too....

turn off the lights when you leave the room
composting
driving a hybrid car

WOW.... I was just so impressed.... GACK!

I'll bid on a couple Canadians. Do they do windows? How is Canadian cuisine?

I found fascinating the kind of ass-kissing tango those that even want to start filming a documentary must go through

You can't shoot one frame without the prior, written approval of the Canadian government!

I would just love to see the LLL's who hysterically scream "censorship" at mild criticism explain THAT one!

As I recall, Capt Ed circumvented Canadian edict regarding open court testimony he carried... these scientists should have their documentary broadcast via internet. Just start embarrassing the totalitarian Canadian Government all over again.

Strange, I always thought Red China was in a different hemisphere ...

@ 39

 
#33 Bubble Girl
Not sure...I've never had anyone make a bid on me personally.

I do know that I wouldn't give you $0.01 for our elected officials.

LOL LOL Just remember, don't sell yourself cheap when it comes time to go on the market... lol lol

Gosh, Charles, this is a surprising change in posting topics !

#35 Cartman

See my #30 posting. I think we live near each other in NE Ohio. It was awful a few weeks ago. We're still trying to clean up our Ponderosa from the mess.

#40 Bubble Girl

turn off the lights when you leave the room
composting
driving a hybrid car

I'd like to add:

Turn off the television when Chevy Chase comes on.

#43 Bubble Girl

...got my fishnet stockings all ready to go

 #41

Sarah D.  5/8/2005 03:01PM PDT

I'll bid on a couple Canadians. Do they do windows? How is Canadian cuisine?

I'm curious too, I do know some of them are really, really funny...

My favorite global warming moment was seeing some dopey kid at a teacher-organized rally holding up a sign that read "Stop Golbal Wamring".

So this illiterate little foof just knew how bad global warming was, yet couldn't even spell it.

This garbage is indoctrinated into schoolkids as fact. I doubt most of them have any clue what V-E Day, yet they're can recite all the propaganda imbued in them.

Cluelessness mixed with smug arrogance.

What galls me when Bush is taken to task for not ratifying this economy-crushing treaty, the media conveniently overlooks the fact when it came to a Senate vote while Clinton was president, it lost 98-0 (I don't recall the abstentions, but it doesn't matter).

22, Bubble Girl,

Ah yes, they were such colorful raindrops.

I understood instinctively that getting two scientists to agree at what time the sun is coming up tomorrow is—at best—difficult. But here were tens of thousands, from around the world, all agreeing on one issue: that there is no scientific evidence of man-made global warming.

You can cover your ears if you like moonbats, but Rush is right.

All this time they've been telling us that fossil fuel use and pollution and all this other rotgut that we human beings, primarily in America and the westernized world have been doing, has led to more pollutants up there, created a greenhouse effect and the earth is warming and pretty soon we're all going to die because we're going to boil to death or fry. And I've always said that earth warms and cools all the time. I'm not going to deny that there's global warming going on because it happens all the time and I'm not going to deny that there's global cooling that goes on all the time, either, because it does, but I will take serious issue with anybody who thinks that we human beings have the ability to cause it on such a worldwide or global scale as to be destructive in nature.

#41 Sarah D.,

How is Canadian cuisine?

They taste like chicken.

#49 JammieWearingFool

I remember back in grade 6 (would have been 1989) my entire class had to write a letter to President Bush (George H) asking him to 'stop making so much pollution'!

Why did a bunch of 12 year olds living in the Toronto suburbs have to write this letter? Because one student in the class had started writing a letter the day before and the teacher thought it was a wonderful idea.

Of course, there were no facts or figures available...all we were told was that Canada was not a bad polluter and America was. I don't blame the student for writing the letter...he was only 12, didn't know any better, and probably truly believed he could make a positive change. I'd like to know what the teacher's excuse was....perhaps he was just looking for a writing exercise.

It's too bad, he was a good teacher otherwise.

#52 PDM

I like chiken, it's very versatile.

My house is off the grid and also Passive Solar... my yard is Xeriscaped, I have a composter. My floors are tile, my countertops, granite. Everything is efficient, the walls are R-30 adobe.... But since I drive a Landcruiser then I am destroying the climate.

Iron Fist (#31),

Thanks for the link.

Nope, no connection at all.

50

JammieWearingFool  5/8/2005 03:06PM PDT
 
22, Bubble Girl,

Ah yes, they were such colorful raindrops.

Ahunh, and I bet some of them pierced your skull and burrowed into your brain... they may still be there... lurking... lol lol

Acid rain still burns my brain...

#40 Bubble Girl
"turn off the lights when you leave the room
composting
driving a hybrid car

WOW.... I was just so impressed.... GACK"

LOL!

Whenever any of our moonbat relatives visit and they want to know where the recycling bin is, I say - "right in the garbage bag, mate. They know how to sort things out at the other end in our part of the universe."

Another one is: "should these corn cobs go in your compost heap?". My response is - "WTF is a compost heap? Is that the pile of dead leaves and cow manure we have sitting outside to fertilize our flower beds? If so, feel free to dump the corn cobs there. Of course, the colors may clash and that could piss off my decorator."

We don't own any stinking hybrid cars and leaving lights on at night is a rite of passage for anyone under the age of 21 in our home. Let their Daddy bitch about it.

If we have another Krakatoa... or a super-volcano... it won't matter if we were all driving tanks to work...

PDM (#52),

They taste like chicken.

Not surprising, they've mostly been acting like chickens recently.

#58 savage_nation

I'm woefully ignorant of Canadian anything.

I've been around, just busy studying for finals! Thanks for asking!

Kyoto is a Big Lie.

Look up the Medieval Warm Period. Pay attention to Greenland and Iceland. The hard fact is that it was hotter then than it now and there were no "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. The Global Warming Liars try to bury this but the frozen settlements that used to be habitable when it was warmer are right there inplain sight on the frozen ground, and others can be seen elsewhere in northern latitudes.

Look up the work of Soon and Baliunas at Harvard; the observable fact is that the Sun gives off variable amounts of energy, that we are on an upswing, and that it has nothing to do with human activity. Natural processes are variable. Surprise.

The planet is getting a bit warmer these days, just as it has gotten warmer before, but Global Warming and the need to oppress the United States that is contained in the abomination that is the Kyoto Treaty is a Big Lie.

FIGHT THE GLOBAL WARMING LIES!

Wasn't there a Great Christmas Lights Scare? Where you were considered a really, really bad person if you hung them up? Back in Carter's days?

It's a clear issue of defying Church teaching--blasphemy within the old C. of E. (Church of Environmentalism.) Can't have that.

#46 Belize042

Awww...c'mon. Chevy Chase was funny when SNL was really SNL and Chevy was Chevy.

And there's "Christmas Vacation" we watch every year.

Doesn't matter if he's a political retard. So is Robin Williams.

The only exception I'll make is Barbra Streisand. I despise her, her voice, her movies and politics but will grudgingly concede that "Prince of Tides" was ok.

There is a volcano in Antartica that pumps out more bad stuff per day/month/year (don't recall which) than mankind has in total since the beginning of so-called civilation.

The global warming crowd has every possibility covered.The recent record cold wave is easily explained the same way they greeted news that areas of Antartica are getting colder,"global warming can cause an ice age"

Didn't anyone see "The Day after Tomorrow"?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

According to this we have cleaned up too much

[Link: www.nature.com...]

#58 savage_nation writes:

you want Canadian cuisine, here you go!

Darn...nothing about poutine in there!

#45 rightymouse

I just about gave up the ghost that morning. Looked outside and asked myself WTF is THIS? And WTF am I doing STILL living in this g-d-forsaken place? Came about " " that close to loadin' up the truck and movin' to Bev-er-lee. Hills, that is. Cement ponds...movie stars!

/Flatt and Scruggs banjo interlude

I know some Canadians who are good folk but for the most part I can't trust anyone who calls ham "bacon".

Totally Serious
Bacon, eh?

To # 9...........

To my fellow angry Canadian.....this Albertan will gladly support you in your bid to turn Canada over to the U.S.......of course we had better leave Quebec out though...

Seriously I know exactly where your coming from.......I can't stand what Canada stands for.......

And yet regarding this news about Kyoto, finally some good news enamating from the Great White North for a change...

86) TotallySirius

Didn't anyone see "The Day after Tomorrow"?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Thanks for reminding me!

/ (Bad memories resurfacing now after suppressing them for a year.)

57 Bubble Girl,

Youthful indiscretion is all it was. I blame it on the fact Jimmy Carter was president at the time. Yeah, that sounds about right.

No surprise here that Canadian television refuses to broadcast it. Truth is the sword of us all and the gov of Canaduh prefers to keep its citizens unarmed.

75)Me

I meant 68

PIMF

Charles,

The idea up there about BitTorrenting the movie is a good one. There are plenty of us who run BitTorrent.

We just need to get ahold of the movie to get it started.

#64 Bubble Girl
"Wasn't there a Great Christmas Lights Scare? Where you were considered a really, really bad person if you hung them up? Back in Carter's days?"

Have no clue. Wasn't here.

That said, Carter was/is a "pussy" in the eyes of many Asians. Lots of bark, no bite, mostly because of his invertebrate responses to communism and the Muslim threat (i.e. Iran at the time).

But, to his credit, he did have the Navy out in the South China Sea picking up rag-tag Vietnamese boat people, when other countries could have given a shit whether they lived or died.

#66 rightymouse

The novel was much better. If you've read it, you'll cringe seeing Streisand and Nolte in the starring roles.

I agree that Chase used to be funny (Unlike Al Franken, who never was), but it's been a while since Fletch and Saturday Night Live.

Do you really want to trust what a Canadian says about global warming? If the Earth heats up several degrees who loses? Low lying countries and places that are currently temperate. Who wins? countries with lots of tundra that will become arable land. What countries have lots of tundra? Canada and Russia. Any rational Canuck or Ruskie is going to do anything in his or her power to encourage global warming.

/hey, for a wild eyed conspiracy theory it's pretty reasonable

#64 Bubbles and #66 Righty

Hmmm...I thought it was Chevy (Clark) who caused the great Christmas light scare in "Christmas Vacation"? ;-)

KYOTO'S WATER WIZARDS

The following breakdown of BBC Article: Alternative water future outlined points out that the agenda behind the Kyoto Treaty is to privatize the world's water and put it into the hands of wealthy elites who will control its ebb and flow and determine who drinks and who thirsts. These Kyoto adherents meet regularly at what they call WORLD WATER FORUMS after which they return to home countries and give politicians their orders. Every nation in the world is at one stage or another of losing control of its water resource.

A group opposing the Kyoto Treaty is attempting to establish a WORLD WATER PARLIAMENT, and the article lays out their goals as well.

Firstly, here's the plans the Kyoto Treaty is working on:

"...12,000 people met in Kyoto at the official Third World Water Forum to determine the direction of current water policies

... dominated by private corporations who favour large projects such as dams, instead of simpler technologies

... want water privatisation and "commodification" of water

... enabling creeping corporate control via privatisation

... escalating water scarcity and sparking future "water wars"

... the Iraq war was also about control of Iraq's huge water resources

... creating water-wasteful processes through water supply systems based on "heavy engineering" solutions such as dams

...international financial institutions' control water supply finance

...industry and World Bank spokesmen advocate public-private partnerships

... water services are included in the on-going World Trade Organisation negotiations, in particular the European Commission's recently leaked WTO negotiating requests to open up the water services in many developing countries to foreign private investment

... no parliamentary sovereignty over water-trade negotiations

... they're planning a Fourth World Water Forum in Montreal in 2006

Here are the goals of a group forming to oppose the water plans of the Kyoto Treaty:

Their goal is a WORLD WATER PARLIAMENT. They met in Italy at the same time the meeting in Japan was going on.

...The Florence meeting's 1,400 participants (70% Italians) came from pacifist, environmental, development and farmers' NGOs, as well as local authorities. They met to carry forward the Porto Alegre World Social Forum's call in January for a new democratic world water parliament and a halt to water privatisation.

...The world's water resources must become a common global good under a new international system anchored in a constitutional right to water for all

The final declaration in Florence called for:

- a guaranteed minmum of 40 litres a day to each world inhabitant by 2020, while meeting ecosystem needs

- a radical overhaul of present water-wasteful processes in all economic sectors, prioritising rehabilitation and maintenance of existing water supply systems over "heavy engineering" solutions such as dams

- public-public partnerships instead of public-private partnerships advocated by industry and the World Bank in Kyoto

- upgrading tap water quality to reduce mineral water consumption

- innovative funding mechanisms including water taxes and ethical investment funds to ensure continued local authority ownership and mangement of water supplies - under the supervision of democratic assemblies representing consumers and workers

- a critical review of international financial institutions' role in water supply finance and establishment of a World Water Solidarity Fund

- international river basin authorities

- withdrawal of water services from the on-going World Trade Organisation negotiations

- a parliamentarians' water network to promote recovery of parliamentary sovereignty over trade negotiations, in particular as regards water

- The 2006 meeting in Montreal of the fourth World Water Forum should be replaced with the inaugural World Water Parliament."

#71 Cartman

I agree. The snowstorm was so absurd. The worst part was the sleet the night before that apparently made the trees heavy so when the snow came on Sunday, YIKES!

TIMBER!

Trees, huge limbs, branches down everywhere.

We're still cleaning up from the mess. Am in Geauga county near the Ladue reservoir.

Don't bother with California. Too crowded, too expensive, hate the freaking traffic etc. Been there, done that.

(Sorry, Charles.)

Besides, they have NO weather there. See the movie "LA Story".

 #67

brumor  5/8/2005 03:25PM PDT

There is a volcano in Antartica that pumps out more bad stuff per day/month/year (don't recall which) than mankind has in total since the beginning of so-called civilation.

Try telling this to a moonbat.... I have... they are fact hearing impaired.....

#36 Macker, #79 Sarah D.

Well I was going to suggest that the movie be distributed by blog. It seems these scientists are doing it for altruistic reasons.

It needs to get to the point where the MSM has to report it. And I'll totally enjoy watching them trying to do that and not give the compression that they screwed up.

I suspect that traction may come quickly. Just in my neck of the woods, I know that two regular contributors to that local paper are LGF readers. Make that 3. They'll probably exert some influence to get the story out. The local paper is owned by the Aspers who may finally be giving up on the Liberal party.

(Sarah, anyone hanging around me thinks that curry is Canadian cuisine.)

#84 fiery celt

"First we control the water then we'll control the world,Bwahahahahahahaha"

Scary shit

#87 greenmamba

Blog distribution of a 27 minute moview will suck up major bandwidth. BitTorrent would reduce that quickly.

Canadians eat curry? I happen to love curry :-P

Cartman, And any other Lizards in the Ohio area,

The LGFOhio BBQ* is set for June 25th. If you're interested sign up at the link above. The party house is all set for food, fishing, fun, a bonfire and maybe a bit of target practice.

*Now with celebrity bloggers!

#81 Belize042

I'll have to read the book. Didn't know there was one. Prince of Tides, right?

Chevy was very funny in the old SNL but I do remember him in "Hero", where he was trying to do some SNL caricature and it fell flat.

#83 Cartman

Yep - one of the funniest scenes in "Christmas Vacation" was Chevy burning up the power grid with his Xmas lights. That and cousin Eddy outside emptying the "shitter" in the morning smoking a cigar and drinking a beer.

Okay Geepers,

Who are the celebrity bloggers? C'mon, out with it!

Gore signed Kyoto in 1997 in defiance of a unanimous Senate, and President Bill Clinton never submitted the treaty for ratification.

I bet Kerry handed him the pen.

Published on Monday, July 5, 2004 by the Boulder Daily Camera (Colorado)
Bush's War on Science
by Gov. Howard Dean M.D.

I write this week's column as a physician.

The Bush administration has declared war on science. In the Orwellian world of 21st century America, two plus two no longer equals four where public policy is concerned, and science is no exception. When a right-wing theory is contradicted by an inconvenient scientific fact, the science is not refuted; it is simply discarded or ignored.

Egregious examples abound. Over-the-counter morning-after contraceptive sales are banned, despite the recommendation for approval by an independent panel of the Food and Drug Administration review board. The health risks of mercury were discounted by a White House staffer who simply crossed out the word "confirmed" from a phrase describing mercury as a "confirmed public health risk." A National Cancer Institute fact sheet was doctored to suggest that abortion increases breast-cancer risk, even though the American Cancer Society concluded that the best study discounts that. Reports on the status of minority health and the importance of breast feeding are similarly watered down to appease right-wing ideologies.

What about global warming? After withdrawing from the Kyoto Treaty, the Bush administration distanced itself from a climate report the Environmental Protection Agency wrote, because it affirmed the potential worldwide harm of global warming, the existence of which Bush had denied. The global-warming section of the 2003 EPA report on the environment was extensively rewritten, then dropped entirely.

#93 Bubble Girl

Clinton never ratified Kyoto but somehow my moonbat parents and relatives blame everything on Bush for "hating the environment and not listening to the scientists".

That's why I drink.

#89 Sarah D.

I happen to love curry

Hi Sarah! Do you Thai? Have you tried Thai Terrace on Dale Mabry (across from the Crazy Buffet). They have some great curry dishes...

Sarah D. (#92),

Can't tell you. We'd be swamped with groupies. ;-)

But you know them.

Howard Dean..... June 10th, 2003

Former Vermont governor Howard Dean has sided most closely with the Bush administration, endorsing the National Governors Association policy, which opposed the Kyoto Protocol unless it included mandatory emissions cuts for developing countries. The policy recommended that the United States "not sign or ratify any agreement that would result in serious harm to the U.S. economy."

So on July 5, 2004... Howard is now for Kyoto.... when in 2003 he was against it...

#96 secsailor

I like Thai, but I haven't been there. Is that the one where the owner chased down that thief and ran him over with his SUV?

The Thai sauces are great. I'll have to do that soon.

I recently had extensive, personal talks with a Japanese judge in Kyoto who was an advisor on the legal language in the accord. He was adamant that no advanced economy could afford to sign it because it gives so much leeway to the third world economies and India and China in particular.

At any rate, he assured me that if the Kyoto Accords negatively affected the Japanese economy, they would be struck down by the Japanese Courts.

The Japanese are Xenophobic and protective by culture and nature. If the Kyoto Accords interfere with their best interests, they will be among the first to bail out.

#94 Bubble Girl

"by Gov. Howard Dean M.D.

...What about global warming? After withdrawing from the Kyoto Treaty, the Bush administration distanced itself from a climate report the Environmental Protection Agency wrote, because it affirmed the potential worldwide harm of global warming, the existence of which Bush had denied. The global-warming section of the 2003 EPA report on the environment was extensively rewritten, then dropped entirely."

What a moron. Forgot about Clitoris, apparently.

As Cartman and I can attest to - WHAT GLOBAL WARMING? WE HAD A FRIGGING SNOW STORM TWO WEEKS AGO! AND HAIL A WEEK LATER!

I expected to have our pool opened in January due to global warming.

Dammit.

Sarah

Is that the one where the owner chased down that thief and ran him over with his SUV?

I didn't hear about that one. But I like his style!

Thanks for the offer, but I don't think I want Canada. We have entirely too many free loading entitlement addicts here already.

I will however bid on a couple of Canadians. We can offer warm sunny Florida days, ocean breezes, swaying palms and gorgeous flowers.

No windows required. Just prepare, serve and clean up meals. All and any cuisine welcome.

I too would welcome access to this film. Sell it on the internet. Somebody savvy in marketing needs to guide these scientists or they'll be rolled over by the media.

95

rightymouse  5/8/2005 04:00PM PDT
#93 Bubble Girl

Clinton never ratified Kyoto but somehow my moonbat parents and relatives blame everything on Bush for "hating the environment and not listening to the scientists".

That's why I drink.

poor Righty.... I know how you feel... I am in the same boat as you... cheers!

#97 Geepers

Ooooohhhh! Groupies! Groupies are good...they are slave-like correct?

rightymouse @ 101

Well, it gets up to 115 here in the summer, we can fry our eggs on the sidewalk, now that is Energy Efficient Living... lol lol

check out how much kyoto is costing the world

[Link: junkscience.com...]

Well, global-warming could happen.....or else this could happen. ;)

#96 secsailor

I do Thai! Born in Bangkok. You want recipes, sailor? Curry very easy to make.

Seriously, let me know. And if you backtrack on my football, you'll see that I'm a nut for cooking.

#90 Geepers

Interested in attending the 'ZoidBQ. Dug up and reactivated my dormant Yahoo account and applied for membership to the group. Once that goes through, I plan to sign up for the event. Sounds like a hoot! Thanks for the heads-up!

It is necessary for the Black Panther Party, which is a People's Party, to purge members within the Party to rid ourselves of opportunism, the petty-bourgeoisie desires. You see, we believe in the teachings of our leader; the Minister of Defense, Huey P. Newton of the Black Panther Party, when he says, "Have faith in the party and have faith in the people." If the masses are going to have faith in the party, it's necessary and an absolute principle that we are very sincere and honest with the people, because it is necessary to restore the much needed trust and dedication which has been lacking for hundreds of years. If we, as the vanguard, failed to criticize and denounce buffoons, and simpletons, then we will be put into a position of hypocrisy. In actuality, we would be the fools for allowing it to exist without moving to remove those who aspire to opportunism, filthy reprobates.

As I mentioned the other night, I challenge John Kerry, John Dean and the Democrats to spearhead a crusade to force all the cars sold in America to meet higher fuel efficiency standards. If they lack the courage to take that basic step, the rest is bullsh*t.

As much as humans impact this planet, we have no effect on the big picture. A few hundred thousand years from now we will only barely appear in the long calendar that is the histoy of this little blue ball.

Smoke'em if ya got'em.

#114 Luigi

Meeting that challenge or not, the rest is still bullshit.

Sarah D. (#105),

Well these would probably be intellectual groupies, so I hope so. ;-)

As an engineer working for a Swedish company, I am well aware of the whole "NIH" concept. You could almost pronounce it like from Monty Python and the Holy Grail - "The night who say NIH!" Of course its the "Knights who say Nee" (or something similar) but NIH = Not Invented Here. You should see the way they react to suggestions of theory that come from the US - its almost like we had told them that the world was suddenly round and they had no fear of falling off the edge. Unfortunately, I have seen this in many circumstances (and I am not just faulting Swedish scientists) So many scientists have this huge fear that someone else is going to come up with something good - and that cant happen. So they try to blow holes in the hull. If that does not work...some govts will do it for you. Yay canada!

Is it too early to proclaim thois the SNDT?!

#104 Bubble Girl
#106 Bubble Girl

Eh....rather a "figure of speech" on the drinking bit. But I can inhale tons of Pepsi, so maybe not. But last night at the fundraiser, I did learn not to have a Chardonnay and then a Bourbon. My head still hurts.

That said, frying eggs on the sidewalk is not known in this part of the U.S.

Besides, if it ever got that hot (without humidity) my nose would bleed all over the place. Not a pretty sight, I can tell you.

#119 RebTex,

Hell, no! You mean you haven't started drinking? WTF?

:-P

You an fry an egg on your car seats here in the summer. The heat about knocks you over when you open the doors after a day at work.

Yuk. The metal parts on the seatbelts will blister you.

Iron Fist
I was "tractorin'" all day....just got in!
You know how wrong it would be to have swerving rows!

The numbers of scientists staggered me—17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two thirds with advanced degrees, are against the Kyoto Agreement. The Heidelberg Appeal—which states that there is no scientific evidence for man-made global warming, has been signed by over 4,000 scientists from around the world since the petition’s inception.

17,100 and 4,000 scientists. I am happy LGF is looking at environmental issues now. There is some outrageous stuff going on. It is appalling. I can't imagine how bad it is in those socialist European countries.

I'm confused. What does any of this have to do with Paula Abdul? And why isn't global warming, admittedly a phrase with latent sexual overtones, not heating up the media waves in light of this new titillating revelation? China and India are both pretty hot countries. They don't have to agree to this treaty, yet they're still considered cool and all that. We are expected to, but we also have Paula Abdul, so we are potentially a much hotter country, right?
I swear, I'll never understand how the news became so much about sex.

1 ripe pineapple
3 pounds of strawberries
1 banana
10 ounces of Bacardi
puree & drik@!

One thing I've noticed about the global warming crowd is that they'll say (insert a really horrible and apocalyptic event here) is going to happen in (insert a short time frame here) unless we (insert ridiculous demands intended to destroy capitalism here). Then as we get closer and closer to (short time frame), they make up a new story for why (a really horrible and apocalyptic event) did not occur.

For instance, we always heard about global warming but now that it hasn't panned out these last 20-30 years, we're told we're going to have "global cooling", caused by wind currents from Great Britain being diverted and decreasing the temperature. One wonders why this reversal never occurred to them before, and has only come up after their predictions proved utterly ridiculous. Better yet, one wonders why we should take anyone who gets these things so fabulously wrong seriously.

#119 RebTex

"Is it too early to proclaim thois the SNDT?!"

No way! Global warming and the impact thereof, are truly in our minds right now. Who to blame, etc.

Because I just want to know why I couldn't open my pool in NE Ohio in January as I was expecting temperatures in the high 90's.

#91 rightymouse

Yep, Prince of Tides, by Pat Conroy. IMHO his 2nd-best, topped only by "Beach Music."

BTW, the film version of his novel "The Great Santini," starring Robert Duvall, was excellent.

#27

the best part about this book is its bibliography. He has pages and pages of great sources, probably the same scientists mentioned in this post, with descriptions about each source.

Cartman (#112),

Cool! I think there are already about a dozen Lizardoids on the guest list.

#91 Righty

Yes, but my personal favorite is when Uncle Louis (played William Hickey) lights that giant stogie next to the Christmas tree and blows it up, setting himself on fire as well. Uncle Louis looks at Clark after the explosion and implores 'So what's the madda wit you?' Now THAT'S global warming!

#119 Reb

I think the SNDT is well on its' way. ;)

#122 Sarah D.
"You an fry an egg on your car seats here in the summer. The heat about knocks you over when you open the doors after a day at work.

Yuk. The metal parts on the seatbelts will blister you."

Was it always this way?

#110 Rightymouse

I do Thai! Born in Bangkok. You want recipes, sailor? Curry very easy to make.

Sure I'd love some recipes! I'm always happy to add new ones to my personal recipe book.

I made a coconut-curry hefeweizen once. Sounded good. Turned out terrible. I called it "Bavarian Delhi". I still have that recipe somewhere. It had some pretty strange ingredients in it. It took me while to find everything.

Righty Mouse
It's been like that since the early 60's

#125 reader

I'm laughing! The perfect argument!

129 Belize042

"Yep, Prince of Tides, by Pat Conroy. IMHO his 2nd-best, topped only by "Beach Music."

BTW, the film version of his novel "The Great Santini," starring Robert Duvall, was excellent."

Ok - will get the book. Has to be behind several others I'm reading but that's ok. Never heard of "Beach Music" - what's that one about?

LOVED the "Great Santini".

#20 Jammie Wearing Fool

Now, why would we doubt Algore and his buddy Ted? One is a raving psychopath, while the other is locked up in maximum security.

I know you are referencing Ted Kacyznski, but it makes me think of that fat toad, Ted Kennedy.

Ted Kennedy should be in prison for Chappaquiddick and his anti-American ways.

#133 rightymouse

Well, I seem to recall more severe thunderstorms when I was a kid. I mean the lightning KABOOM! lightning KABOOB! type. It has always been stinking hot in the summer, and we didn't have a/c.

Maybe it's the miles of new asphalt that makes it feel hotter?

#139 Sarah D.,

I especially like the lightning KABOOB! type ;-P

Has anyone studies the effect of paleo splodeydopes on Global Warming?

studied PIMF

#109

ANTS running for cover and screaming hysterically ..... that is too cool ....
Thanks for the "pick me up" dude

LOL! KABOOB! It's raining boobs!

Iron Fist (#140),

There where the phrase "a flash of lightening" comes from. ;-)

Bill Steigerwald:

Unlike the rest of the East Coast left-liberal-environmental-wacko media complex, it is not afraid to speak well of dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane — DDT to you English lit majors.

Two Sundays ago, in fact, The Times devoted six pages of its esteemed Sunday magazine to explaining why DDT is a wonder pesticide, not the killer you and your children have been misled into thinking it is for four decades.

It's truly shocking to see The Times' important assault on enviro-political correctness. The headline — "What the World Needs Now is DDT" — is brave.

And the subhead asks the morally correct rhetorical question: "Malaria kills millions of people every year. The careful use of DDT in developing countries could drastically reduce that number. So why are we standing in the way?

Tina Rosenberg, a Times editorial writer, delivers all the important/amazing pro-DDT facts you need. She explains how it is cheap, unsurpassed in effectiveness by other pesticides and safe for humans.

She reports how spraying DDT on crops and on the interior walls of houses in the '50s and '60s all-but eradicated the deadly scourge of malaria from the developed world.

But today, with DDT use prohibited or strongly discouraged by the insane anti-DDT policies of foreign-aid agencies, between 300 million and 500 million humans get malaria each year. Already-poor African economies are crippled by it. Two million die from it in Africa alone. Most are children under 5.

The virtual global outlawing of DDT is thanks in large part to Pittsburgh's great junk-scientist, Rachel Carson, founding mother of the environmental movement and patron saint of millions of Al Gores.

I wish it was raining boobs here : (

Walter Williams:

Ever since Rachel Carson's 1962 book "Silent Spring," environmental extremists have sought to ban all DDT use. Using phony studies from the Environmental Defense Fund and the Natural Resources Defense Council, the environmental activist-controlled Environmental Protection Agency banned DDT in 1972. The extremists convinced the nation that DDT was not only unsafe for humans but unsafe to birds and other creatures as well. Their arguments have since been scientifically refuted.

While DDT saved crops, forests and livestock, it also saved humans. In 1970, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences estimated that DDT saved more than 500 million lives during the time it was widely used. A scientific review board of the EPA showed that DDT is not harmful to the environment and showed it to be a beneficial substance that "should not be banned." According to the World Health Organization, worldwide malaria infects 300 million people. About 1 million die of malaria each year. Most of the victims are in Africa, and most are children.

In Sri Lanka, in 1948, there were 2.8 million malaria cases and 7,300 malaria deaths. With widespread DDT use, malaria cases fell to 17 and no deaths in 1963. After DDT use was discontinued, Sri Lankan malaria cases rose to 2.5 million in the years 1968 and 1969, and the disease remains a killer in Sri Lanka today. More than 100,000 people died during malaria epidemics in Swaziland and Madagascar in the mid-1980s, following the suspension of DDT house spraying. After South Africa stopped using DDT in 1996, the number of malaria cases in KwaZulu-Natal province skyrocketed from 8,000 to 42,000. By 2000, there had been an approximate 400 percent increase in malaria deaths. Now that DDT is being used again, the number of deaths from malaria in the region has dropped from 340 in 2000 to none at the last reporting in February 2003.

In South America, where malaria is endemic, malaria rates soared in countries that halted house spraying with DDT after 1993 — Guyana, Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. In Ecuador, DDT spraying was increased after 1993, and the malaria rate of infection was reduced by 60 percent. In a 2001 study published by the London-based Institute for Economic Affairs, "Malaria and the DDT Story," Richard Tren and Roger Bate say that "Malaria is a human tragedy," adding, "Over 1 million people, mostly children, die from the disease each year, and over 300 million fall sick."

Why should Europeans be concerned about global warming when they face cultural suicide in a matter of decades?

Are they worried their future muslem replacement populations won't be having nice weather?

#132 Cartman
"Yes, but my personal favorite is when Uncle Louis (played William Hickey) lights that giant stogie next to the Christmas tree and blows it up, setting himself on fire as well. Uncle Louis looks at Clark after the explosion and implores 'So what's the madda wit you?' Now THAT'S global warming!"

Or how about when they are sitting at the dining room table and a bolt of fire shoots across behind them from fried pussy cat?. We laugh our heads off (we must be so sick). Or the swamp dog barfing under the table? And also the yuppie neighbors. HAHAHAHA!

#134 secsailor

Can do sailor. Any time. Curry, fried rice, noodles etc. Lemme know what you'd like to make.

There are some basics you need to know. First, you must have Jasmine Thai rice. Second, you must be ok with fish sauce (Tiparos brand). Third, Thai soy sauce is not Kikoman so get over it. Fourth, you should have an Asian grocery store near you so you don't try and substitute.

Westoner
If the islomaniacs actually succeed, global warming will make all climates agreeable with their desert life-style.

Singin' in the rain, just singin' in the rain :-)

Iron Fist
That has a whole new meaning!

Raining boobs, and the temperature is a bit nippley!

Canadian television refuses to broadcast it:

Are they like the BBC? Government owned? Nobody will broadcast this? Not even Fox Canada?

#139 Sarah D.

We have "Kaboom" storms here too in Ohio. Ask Cartman so you know I ain't lying. It can be ugly here. Batten down the hatches!

Don't know about the "Kaboob" storms except if maybe you're talking about "Hooters" in the Flats if they're still around.

#137 rightymouse

Beach Music is the story of a deeply divided Southern family told from the point of view of the son who emigrated to Italy, but comes back when their mother is terminally ill. I don't think Conroy ever strays very far from his family's real life in his novels.

#9 Grumpy Tory Student

Hell, there's a provision in the US constitution which allows for Canada's union with the US without the assent of the states.

Link please.

If it’s not done by the broadcasters, if they don’t have control, or you are quoting--in this case--Ph.D.’s that fly in the face of the experts that the broadcasters have found and showcased on television, it becomes propaganda --according to them.

Well, it's time to thank Washington, Madison, Jefferson, et al, again, for the Bill of Rights. Thanks again, guys.

Last I checked, the potentially tornadic cell moving southeast in Mason County had only a rotating wall cloud, per spotters, but since then the hook echo seen on reflectivity has clearly strengthened.

BTW, if that cell held together (meaning it stayed in the moisture axis west of where the Southeast Texas thunderstorm axis has intercepted the Gulf moisture moving inland) it could arrive in the San Antonio area late this evening.

BTW, I blame global warming for the outbreak of severe weather from northern Mexico to southern Canada today.

Sigh. I can derail a thread with a single typo.

OT

The Kitten Cannon

As we speak gobal warming is heating the atmosphere...on Mars

#157 Belize042

Ok. Thanks. Conroy seems to have some personal "issues", but that's acceptable when it comes out in fiction writing.

Have to cuddle with youngest now.

It's a Mommy thing.

NWS Corpus Christi just reported tennisball hail at the forecast office.

@156 rightymouse

We're having a big kaboom storm in east Texas right now. It's been kabooming since about 11 this morning.
If RebTex has been "tractoring" most of the day, then he's not recieved any of this kabooming yet.
Our fertilized nursery should be screaming by tomorrow.

HAVE TO LEAVE NOW AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS BULLSHIT!

Sorry...that was the Pepsi talking.

#159 CATTTT

Well, it's time to thank Washington, Madison, Jefferson, et al, again, for the Bill of Rights. Thanks again, guys.

Yeah .... What you said !

But who is going to tell the MSM such a thing exists?

Heh.

GLOBAL WARMING IS BULLSHIT! I GOTS THE KABOOB SHOWERS TO PROVE IT!

Dr. Pepper here!

:-P

Um, tar balls on the Texas beaches were used by the Karankawa Indians to waterproof their canoes. Not a thing to do with oil rigs. Offshore Texas (and offshore Santa Barbara and Ventura counties, for that matter) oil bubbles up naturally from fissures in the sea floor.

And there were never enough people on oil rigs offshore Texas/Louisiana to cover beaches in Coke bottles and trash. More likely tankers, freighters, beachgoers and recreational mariners.

Just saying.

BTW, the Karankawa may have been occasional cannibals.

Quark2
We had a small down-burst about noon.
It started raining again at about 6:30

The Heidelberg appeal does not state "that there is no scientific evidence for man-made global warming".

5 seconds of Googling tells you what it says, which is basically to avoid using fake data to support ideological positions:

The Heidelberg Appeal

We want to make our full contribution to the preservation of our common heritage, the Earth.

We are, however, worried at the dawn of the twenty-first century, at the emergence of an irrational ideology which is opposed to scientific and industrial progress and impedes economic and social development.

We contend that a Natural State, sometimes idealized by movements with a tendency to look toward the past, does not exist and has probably never existed since man's first appearance in the biosphere, insofar as humanity has always progressed by increasingly harnessing Nature to its needs and not the reverse. We full subscribe to the objectives of a scientific ecology for a universe whose resources must be taken stock of, monitored and preserved.

But we herewith demand that this stock-taking, monitoring and preservation be founded on scientific criteria and not on irrational preconceptions.

We stress that many essential human activities are carried out either by manipulating hazardous substances or in their proximity, and that progress and development have always involved increasing control over hostile forces, to the benefit of mankind.

We therefore consider that scientific ecology is no more than extension of this continual progress toward the improved life of future generations.

We intend to assert science's responsibility and duties toward society as a whole.

We do, however, forewarn the authorities in charge of our planet's destiny against decisions which are supported by pseudoscientific arguments or false and nonrelevant data.

We draw everybody's attention to the absolute necessity of helping poor countries attain a level of sustainable development which matches that of the rest of the planet, protecting them from troubles and dangers stemming from developed nations, and avoiding their entanglement in a web of unrealistic obligations which would compromise both their independence and their dignity.

The greatest evils which stalk our Earth are ignorance and oppression, and not Science, Technology, and Industry, whose instruments, when adequately managed, are indispensable tools of a future shaped by Humanity, by itself and for itself, overcoming major problems like overpopulation, starvation and worldwide diseases.

#158 Rancher

I think he/she may mean Article IV, section 3, in the US Constitution, which reserves the right to create new states to the federal government, which we did with Alaska, Hawaii, etc.

Yep, I have noticed the eco-crowd screaming about our polluting the air, but they don't say jack-s**t about what happens naturaly when Mount St. Helens blows up. You didn't notice the EPA citing the National Forest Service either and it was on their land! Seriously, the Smokey Mountain National park has been taking a beating at the higher elevations from the TVA's coal fired power plants around the Knoxville area, the main source of acid rain. So what they are saying about acid rain is backed by observable evidance. Everyone can see that for the most part, America is much cleaner and less poluted than say 30 years ago. At that time we were coming off a global-cooling swing. No one seems to be researching the most obvious producer of heat and energy in the solar system, the sun. The suns output changes as it burns it thermonuclear fuel and there is a possiblity of cyclic output deviations as the thermonuclear reaction goes through its complex cycle of fusion. I suspect there is some research being quietly done but no one wants to talk about it because the research could undermine the eco-freaks assertion that we are the problem, and the freaks are the solution.

After 6 weeks with almost no rain, 1.19 inches (about 2.9 cm) of rain has fallen at Bush IAH so far today, with light rain still falling.

Ed
It's been so dry here....
The cotton-tails have been carrying canteens!

#157 Belize042

I don't think Conroy ever strays very far from his family's real life in his novels.

Well, seems to me the typical southern family has enough drama goin' on to fill an infinite number of best sellers.

Daddy-in-law said we could do a 40-year soap opera with the goings on in our family; nobody would ever believe it was factual, though.

#150 Rightymouse

There are some basics you need to know. First, you must have Jasmine Thai rice. Second, you must be ok with fish sauce (Tiparos brand). Third, Thai soy sauce is not Kikoman so get over it. Fourth, you should have an Asian grocery store near you so you don't try and substitute.

Used to date a 2nd-generation Thai-American gal. She couldn't cook worth *spit*, but her Mom's native dishes were to freakin' die for. She made a Thai dumpling (aka potsticker) that just makes me drool thinkin' about it!

@176 RebTex

*LOL!

We've already had more than 3 inches of rain today. I had no probs washing the mud off of my rubber boots wading through the puddles.

The horses are all charged up now, with the negative charged atmosphere.

Reason not to drink & date!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Grillin' the steaks for SwampMan's fajitas on a gas grill now. I wonder if I can weasel my way back into Al Gore's affectionsgood graces by not makin' any refried beans for the SwampMan?

@150 rightymouse

Jasmine rice...yummmm!
We have a brand here called Jasmati that is
great to cook with.

Yes, this has always been the case. Most scientists have disputed the man-made global warming cry for years.

What's new is the main stream press actually covering this.

Besides a possible tornado, that Mason County storm is producing hail larger than softballs, which will total any car exposed to it.

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX
724 PM CDT SUN MAY 08 2005

..TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON...
..DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
..REMARKS..

0723 PM HAIL 1 NE MASON 30.76N 99.22W
05/08/2005 4.25 INCH MASON TX TRAINED SPOTTER

&&

$$

I see no problem with global warming. It gets cold here in the midwest.

BTW, we just had 4 inches of snow here last week......

global warming by butt!

The author of the column is a Canadian documentary film maker, who knows what he's talking about. He went to Afghanistan, on his own hook, to report on the Canadians in action against the Taliban there. Our publicly owned state broadcaster, the CBC , wanted nothing to do with him, because they presumed, more or less correctly, that his reports might show our military actally *fighting* in the War on Terrorism, and shown in a sympathetic light, which would not fit the CBC's "official" narrative, and that they couldn't control how he might or might not spin things.
He was there when the U.S. F-16 pilot, Harry Schmidt, mistakenly bombed a group of Canadians, killing four of them, and his films, which were presented on the private CTV owned channels, make for some gripping realistic stuff. He's no Michael Moore, and he doesn't make the sort of stuff that CBC or Telefilm like.
Of course, when the tragedy happened, the CBC suddenly had the story it wanted: "Cowboy Yank kills Canadian "peacekeepers" (The Canadian media persisted (and persists) in referring generically to our soldiers as such, even when they are not engaged in UN peacekeeping missions, such as in Afghanistan.)
The CBC didn't want to report or support our troops much when they were actually war fighting (and indeed, had an out in that they could not report on our JTF2 actions in Afghanistan, as the unit operates in secret, much like SAS or Delta Force.)
The establishment culture is such in Canada, that when the U.S. wanted to present our sniper teams with medals for the superb work in Afghanistan, Ottawa did what it could to prevent/delay the awards, and there was no public ceremonial for them.
But the CBC sure went all out for the four Princess Pats killed by Schmidt - now that it could be blamed on the US, it was a story, and they played it up big. Bigger than the Canadians killed by a Taliban mine some time later, which itself became a blame-game story about unarmoured light patrol vehicles, not about terrorists who need to be killed.
If any Canadians had been killed in actual open combat with Taliban, I doubt whether CBC would have cared that much. Official culture in Canada likes to suppress what doesn't fit the "received liberal view" for example, the battle in Croatia's Medak Pocket, a heroic action by Canadians, but which was suppressed by Ottawa, for political reasons - it's not "peacekeeping" after all when you're killing guys who are trying to kill you.
Bastards run this country.

I see the ozone layer as sort of a giant accelerator pedal.
As we deplete the ozone,& the ozone hole opens up over the poles.
The bigger the holes get, the more smog that gets let out.
As the smog gets let out, the ozone hole closes back up!
Where's the problem?

Lightning has disabled the Houston-Galveston AN/WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar in League City, TX.

The HGX WSO relocated last month into the Galveston County EMS Headquarters building, designed to weather a Cat 5 hurricane.

But a bolt of lightning will take out the radar.

Didn't anyone see "The Day after Tomorrow?"

Heheheh...when I teach Earth science my students ask if I am going to show that movie in class. I just laugh. They're always surprised to have a teacher who doesn't pray at the LLL altar.

I wish it was raining boobs here : (

We can always count on you to steer the topic to boobs. And from there the thread always goes downhill, which is reason enough to keep you around.

Bob's Kid
I resemble that remark!

Yeah! It was RebTex's fault! Yeehaw!

Besides the formerly tornadic storm in Mason County now heading for Luckenbach, TX (Willie, Waylon, and the Boys) in Gillespie County, New Braunfels (San Antonio-Austin) WSR-88D NexRad Doppler radar also shows bats emerging from a cave near Uvalde for a night of insect hunting.

Like I said, RebTex...that's why we let you play with us! Got to interject sophomoric humor into the mix somehow, right?

(big grin)

Ed,

Those are bats? How many bats would it take to register that big on the rader?

#19:

Also, I'm still waiting for personal hovercraft, a mid-engined Corvette, and the robotic kitchen that cooks and cleans without human intervention.

My hovercraft is full of eels.

Anybody watching the History Channel? It's about Hitlers chase after the ever allusive aryan master race.

We have a couple of bats that live in our hay barn. I haven't seen them tonight, we've got awful rough winds.

Bob's Kid
Sophomoric?!
That's CLEARLY Junior level humor!

Tens of thousands, eating their own weight in insects each night.

On some nights, bats emerging from three or four different caves will show up.

A colony of Mexican Freetail Bats has moved under the Congress Ave. bridge over the Colorado River in Austin. During the season, people will go to watch the bats take off for a night of bug hunting.

# 162 pookleblinky

what's the farthest you shot the cat?

#197 quark2

Saw a show on that before (can't watch now the dish just went dead due to rain) Hitler was just plain nuts.

193

I got an email from a friend biking through Austin, this is what it said:

It seems that in 1980, the City reinforced the structure of the Congress Street Bridge by adding beams underneath. In doing so, they inadvertently created large, totally enclosed voids in the structure, accessible only through 1” wide crevices in the bottom. This was quickly discovered by a group of pregnant female bats that were looking for a new summer home. They told their friends and the colony quickly grew to tens then to hundreds of thousands of pregnant, female bats; each arrived from Mexico in March and stayed until early October, having its single baby in June. Panic set in – one City headline read: “MASS FEAR IN THE AIR AS BATS INVADE AUSTIN”. So plans were made to eradicate the bats. However, people soon started noticing that there were no more pesky bugs around, and the farmers noticed that their crop yields were increasing while the need for pesticides were decreasing. So the farmers got together and fought to save the bats, and eventually won. In the meantime, the colony has grown to ¾ of a million pregnant females, which doubles to 1.5 million when the babies are born! Anyway, the bats have now become a tourist attraction. Totally hidden within the bridge during the day, they emerge like clockwork in a group at dusk. People line the bridge and pay for seats in tourist boats on the water to watch the spectacle. When the bats emerge and fly to the east, the flock is so dense it can be seen on the Doppler radar!

#200

Only 734 feet. The Llama Butchers got about 1000 feet.

In the spring of 1995, "bats aloft" came to full boil when the U.S. Weather Service's new Doppler radar was turned on at New Braunfels, Texas, only a few miles from Bracken Cave. Every night the Doppler radar detects the huge numbers of free-tailed bats that come out of Bracken Cave and other major roosts. It documents their dispersal over the Texas landscape, and it plots the altitudes and directions from which they return every morning. When I contacted Jim Ward at the Doppler radar facility, he was enthusiastic about using the radar to study high-altitude flight patterns of bats. After hearing the migratory insect hypothesis, Ward suggested that I contact Drs. Wayne Wolf and John Westbrook at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Research Station at College Station, Texas. I won't soon forget the phone conversation with Wayne Wolf.

Wolf told me that in the first weeks of June, billions of corn earworm moths emerge from an agricultural region in the Lower Rio Grande Valley of Mexico. Emerging just after dusk, the moths ascend to hundreds of feet above the ground and catch prevailing winds that help them travel north--often more than 250 miles in a single night. Three days after the peak moth emergence in Mexico, the peak egg-laying period of corn earworms (also known as cotton bollworms) occurs in the agricultural region around Uvalde, Texas, west of San Antonio, where the moths lay eggs on corn, cotton, and other crops. About three weeks later, after their larvae have fattened on the crops, the next generation emerges from the Uvalde region and continues a northward "hopscotch," infesting agriculture through much of central North America. Throughout much of this region, corn earworms cannot survive winters, and their populations depend on migration. In terms of damage caused, corn earworms are the number-one agricultural pest in America. In terms of the pounds of pesticides used to control them, they rank behind only boll weevils.

The moths fly at the same altitudes as the bats, in the season when the bats have their greatest energy needs. Might free-tailed bats be eating large numbers of the number-one agricultural pest in America as it migrates from Mexico and invades much of the U.S. and Canada? "Perhaps, but," cautioned Wolf, "the moths leave Mexico at dusk and haven't yet reached Central Texas when the bats leave their caves in the evening. The migrating moths don't arrive in Central Texas until early morning."

I had just reviewed a manuscript by Drs. John Whitaker and Tom Kunz on free-tailed bat diets. Typically, the bats forage twice each night, leaving the cave in the evening and again in the early morning, returning to the cave to nurse their pups during the interim. Whitaker and Kunz's study, as well as earlier dietary work on these bats, showed that moths typically comprised about 30 percent of the diet of the bats that return to the cave around midnight. But Whitaker and Kunz also sampled bats as they returned at dawn. In mid-June, the diets of these bats showed a dramatic shift between the two feeding periods, from 37 percent moths at midnight to 96 percent moths at dawn. Here was striking evidence that the bats exploit the moths as the moths enter the region and become available.

Diverse lines of evidence all converge on the conclusion that free-tailed bats are taking advantage of the high-altitude migrations of major agricultural pests. Doppler radar information on bat flight patterns, the temporal shift in their diets, nitrogen and carbon isotopic ratios of guano from Carlsbad and Eagle Creek Caves, and the high fat content of their diets are all consistent with this conclusion.

Link.

View of bats leaving that cave near Uvalde from a different doppler (near Del Rio, TX)

There is no way the Canadian MSM will ever broadcast this.

Canada's policy on Kyoto is Bat-Shit nuts.

Even if we meet our so-called obligations, it will ruin our economy and it will not make the slightest difference to "Global Warming."

They even have a clown, (Rick Mercer) selling this so-called policy.

Fucking idiots. Anything we can do to spit in the face of the Great Satan. Never mind that we do US $1Billion per day trade with the Great Satan.

As a Canadian Prime Minister once said: "Were it not for the Americans, we in Canada would be living in Igloos and eating raw seal blubber."

I believe it was Mulroney. I could be wrong, I'm sure I'll be fact checked!

December 03, 1997
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) and the European Science and Environment Forum (ESEF) today announced that more than 500 physicians and scientists have signed an open letter to world leaders opposing the climate change treaty now being negotiated in Kyoto, Japan.
[Link: www.globalwarming.org...]

May 30, 1998
A petition signed by 15,000 scientists who dispute the science of global warming and oppose the treaty was revealed by Dr. Jane Orient, president, Doctors for Disaster Preparedness. Signatories include approximately 2,100 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, and environmental scientists who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the earth's atmosphere and climate.
[Link: www.globalwarming.org...]

pookleblinky...

i got 880 feet...

try a 40 degree angle with max power....

Completely off topic, but perhaps of interest to some here, the opening weekend box office results are in for Kingdom of Heaven.

According to Yahoo Movies

The lucrative summer moviegoing season suffered its worst start in years on Sunday, as the costly Crusades epic "Kingdom of Heaven" crawled into the No. 1 slot at the North American weekend box office with meager ticket sales of just $20 million.

....

"Kingdom" also marks the weakest movie to kick off summer in the eight years since Hollywood decided to move the busy season two weeks earlier to the start of May from the Memorial Day holiday weekend.

Also, it's officially a Rotten Tomato.

#207

936 feet at 41.5* max power.

Sophomoric?!
That's CLEARLY Junior level humor!

If you say so, dear.

:)

The only bad thing about the bats is that their guano STINKS. But it's great fertilizer.

A few suggestions:

Burn it to CD and reproduce it by the thousands

Show it in the US, especially Michigan where plenty of Canadians will see it anyway.

Pick up the Parliament building and shake it until all the lunatics fall out.

Put it on a US server so it can be streamed to any computer on the Internet. If the government, at any level, tries to make this illegal, burn down Parliament and start over.

i might be a bit late but, #69 i heard Rush talking about that this past week.
#187 ozone smozone from what i under stand we didn't find the hole there till we had the technology to see that it was there.

Any flying pig sightings in the Great White North?

#206 Nancy

Once again, more proof that Global LLL "solidarity" is driven by hysteria, motivated by emotion, repulsed by logic and blind to fact. Thanks for the links.

We create ozone here in the summer. We have ozone warnings on the news. If we are making it, where does it go? Do we have a thicker ozone layer than the rest of the planet?

I call bullshit.

@211 Bob's Kid

Guamo is eggselent fertilizer, and there's big big money in bat shi'ite. Can't say the same about the batty and shi'ity L3s.

Of course gobal warming is complete fiction..but when your plan is to allow a China century and a decline of western civilization..and freedom..then fiction is as good a tool to use as anything to get the peons in the right mind set for their slavery.

AND JUST 30 YEARS AGO:
Newsweek
April 28, 1975

The Cooling World
There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.”

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.

Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”

AlGore invented climatology.

Here is one well known scientist's opinion of the whole UN sponsored Kyoto Treaty fiasco.

This week S. Fred Singer sums up the Summit.
The UN extravaganza, the Fourth Conference of the Parties (to the Climate Treaty) was wrapped up in the wee hours Saturday morning (Nov. 14), with an agreement that settled nothing. Perhaps that was the point. Now it's on to COP-5, COP-6, and God knows how many more reincarnations, not to mention interim gatherings in various garden spots on the globe.
The Conference of Parties is beginning to resemble a traveling circus, taxpayer-funded, complete with elephants and trained seals, clowns and acrobats. Delegations from some 160 countries trooped into the conference hall in Buenos Aires, along with 70 environment ministers, representatives from 100 or more Green activist organizations (who, the public should know, have an extraordinary, and some would say unethical, influence on international policy) and the usual gaggle of radio, TV, and print reporters. There were even a few scientists here who understand the complexities of climate. But make no mistake. This conference was not about science. It was about money; more specifically, it was about transferring money from industrialized to developing countries.
MORE: [Link: www.junkscience.com...]

S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. --CV: [Link: www.sepp.org...]
Expertise: Global climate change and the greenhouse effect, depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer, acid rain, air pollution, importance and future of the U.S. space program, energy resources and U.S. energy policy.
[Link: www.sepp.org...]

bullshit batshit. the LLL glom on to all the junk science... lets create a scare thats the plan ... you see how the skerry ran his election... scare tactics and bashing if that dont work they start name calling.

Anyone remember a sci-fi book that was set in the next ice-age? It was caused by the econutballs. As I recall, in the big cities, people were encouraged to burn as much as possible to create more greenhouse gases.

LOL!

#208 Ricks

A quote from one review on the link you posted I found particularly hilarious:

"As a war hero, Orlando Bloom reminds me of the nickname Truman Capote's father gave him: Little Miss Mouse Fart."

The review is by Tim Apello from the (ouch) Seattle Weekly, so we know which way he leans. I'm always quick to accuse the LLL of not having much of a sense of humor, but looks like this guy inadvertently stepped in a pile of bat guano. :-)

It should come as no surprise that this came from a committee formed in 1992 by the UN with no other goal except to write a treaty for industrialized countries to reduce green house gas emmissions.

Which most say the treaty is even useless in accomplishing that.

It was not even to study global warming in any scientific way by scientists, it was to already decided that global warming was "man made" which --by 1997 --thousands of scientists were disputing.

i think thay should do a study of all the warm gasses coming out of D.C.

#220 Algore may control climatology but KARL ROVEcontrols the weather!

Bwahahahahahaha!

#221 Nancy

Like that commercial 'It's all about the "O"', it IS all about the greenbacks. There is an entire sub-culture of parasitical non-entities on this planet that have no other calling or purpose other than to suck the lifeblood from those who DO. For all their rants, raves and accusations, they understand deep down in their tiny little pointed heads that their ill-guided and mal-intentioned "jihadic" pursuits put tofu on the table. *SPIT*

@225 Nancy

The numbnutz that thought all of this bat shi'ite up did forget a couple of things. In their wettest wild dreams the industrialized countries lapsing into third world economies, and the third worlds lapsing even further backwards because they're no longer subsidized by the developed nations, the money flows would dry up pretty quickly. Bringing about flat pockets and wallets among the dead heads who call themselves U.N. representatives. I call that cuttin' yer own throat.

Regarding the bureaucrats that are overseeing what Canadians can see on TV:

I have a solution, that I have been pitching for years: fire *all* current bureaucrats (apologies to my mother- and sister-in-law, who are both employees of the government). Then we re-hire fresh, with brand new people, and at about half the current staffing levels (if that).

A lot of good, hard-working people would lose their job, but I really don’t see any other way of removing the ones that think being a bureaucrat means you have some sort of higher status.

In "The Skeptical Environmentalist" by Lomborg, he has shown very clearly and with mucho data that Kyoto is a beaker full of tripe. There have always been many, many scientist such as myself that have always questioned this, but no one ever hears this. It is no surprise to me that a very large group of egg-heads has produced this, and also no surprise that the Iron Maple Leaves refuse to let it be heard.

#41 Sarah D.
I'll bid on a couple Canadians.
Be careful what you ask for - they'll want to be paid in $us, holidays, and health insurance...

Do they do windows?
no, they're all Mac users ((-'pb

How is Canadian cuisine?
Best Chineese in town is in Windsor, tho I hear Toronto is even better. Wouldn't know HOW to define 'real' Canadian cuisine - Inuit? (whales, carabu and stuff?) Maratime? (ie, seafood?) Quebecois? Isn't that basically French?
My Sis-in-law is from Vancouver, had roast Moose at wedding dinner (was tasty!)

Seriously, after 9/11 when the borders were slammed shut, we realized just how many people live there and work here - especially Health practicioners. Nearly 1/3 of the nurses and other medical profs were 'stuck' one side or the other. I wonder why so many medicos choose to work here? hmmmmm.

Kyoto is another UN "wet dream". China and India are not included in the restrictive protocols, even though they emit the most destructive emmissions.

Kudo's to Bush for seeing this piece of crap for what it was (is). Clinton did not have a clue. He only believed what Monica told him.

As a scientist, I'm glad to see this.

So far our "experts" who have been declaring all of this cr@p have so far been 100% wrong in their predictions. While growing up we were beat over the head with the new ice age cometh.

#232 Pete(Detroit)

Be careful what you ask for - they'll want to be paid in $us, holidays, and health insurance...

Au Contraire! Florida is a "right to work" state. You get what the employer feels like giving you, and no more!

Also, look at how many Canadians come here FOR health care! Belies the social medicine utopia I would say.

Yeah, the SWIFTVETS and other vet groups couldn't get the MSM to run their documentary, either. Didn't stop them!

Let's get this documentary on the Internet ASAP.

#230 V-Man

Then we re-hire fresh, with brand new people, and at about half the current staffing levels (if that).

Pick your poison. Bring in a band of well-intentioned "skulls full of mush" who have already been indoctrinated, and have bought hook-line-and-sinker into crap like Kyoto, or hang with the status quo. The lesser of two "evils"? Hmmmm...

#173 Catttt

Oh. Well then I’d rather not. Sorry, no offense Canada.

#234 Titus

As a scientist, I'm glad to see this.

As a layman, so am I brother. So am I.

I think everyone's sort of pooped out from Mom's Day. I know I am. G'nite & G-d bless all Moms out there. And as always...G'nite, Canada!

The Kyoto Protocol's architect

Paul Martin hardly needs another scandal, but the news that Maurice Strong has stepped down from his UN post as special envoy to Korea in the wake of allegations related to the Iraqi oil-for-food debacle is potentially damaging on several fronts....Mr. Strong is a man of enormous informal power within the "international community." A lifelong self-confessed socialist, he espouses apocalyptic alarmism as a rationale for a much more powerful United Nations. Paradoxically, however, he has always kept one foot in the capitalist camp via an array of often messy business dealings......

The Kyoto Protocol's architect : Links to the 1992 Comission on Global Governance

Who is Maurice Strong? - international political player - Cover Story

If they are permitted to do so. For, as Sen. Chuck Hagel (R., Neb.) asked at a conference on "The Costs of Kyoto" held by the Competitive Enterprise Institute: "Who will administer a global climate treaty? . . . Will we have an international agency capable of inspecting, fining, and possibly shutting down American companies?" Sen. Hagel is not alone is his concern. In July the U.S. Senate passed 95 to 0 a resolution urging the Clinton Administration not to make binding concessions at the Kyoto conference.

But the climate-change treaty is not the only threat to U.S. interests. Though Mr. Bush refused to sign the Bio-diversity Convention at the Rio Earth Summit -- chaired, remember, by GOP contributor Strong -- that only delayed things. The Clinton Administration signed shortly after its inauguration. Since the treaty obliges signatories to protect plant and animal species through habitat preservation, its implementation could make the World Heritage Committee's activities on U.S. land use seem penny-ante by comparison.

MEANWHILE, how much further down the path sketched out by the CGG will the UN reforms developed by Maurice Strong and announced by Kofi Annan last week take us?

The most important initiative is the recommendation that the General Assembly organize a "Millennium Assembly" and a companion "People's Assembly" in the year 2000. (The "People's Assembly" mirrors the CGG's "Civil Society Forum" idea -- among other things, only accredited NGOs would be invited to advise the General Assembly.) But what would these grand new bodies actually do? The Millennium Assembly would invite "heads of Government . . . to articulate their vision of prospects and challenges for the new millennium and agree on a process for fundamental review of the role of the United Nations [emphasis added]." That last innocuous phrase is diplomatese for opening up the UN Charter for amendment. If that happens, so could anything -- notably eliminating the veto in the Security Council.

The Millennium Assembly would also consider adopting Strong's Earth Charter. For the most part the Charter reads like another feel-good document -- its draft says that "we must reinvent industrial-technological civilization" and promises everybody a clean environment, equitable incomes, and an end to cruelty to animals -- but we have seen how such vacuous symbolism can have real consequences down the line. Inevitably, the Charter advocates that "the nations of the world should adopt as a first step an international convention that provides an integrated legal framework for existing and future environmental and sustainable-development law and policy." This is, of course, a charter for endless intervention in the internal affairs of independent states.

First off, I think the Kyoto Protocol is an attempt by BIG ENVIRONMENT (as big a con game as they proclaim BIG BUSINESS to be) to monkey wrench the US economy (the economic engine of the world). The US has always been the largest obstacle to socialism. Their thinking being that in order to get things done the way they ought to be the US has to be brought to its knees.
Second, the Pro-Kyoto crowd are scientists the way Howard Zinn is an "historian". Facts and figures are to be used and then discarded to fit the "Politically Correct" position. They are using science as a political bludgeon.
Third, these are not stupid people. They have thrived on the idea that a big enough lie, repeated often enough will become truth. Conventional truth at least. I would have to say that to this point they have almost succeeded.
Look how far the the idea of catastrophic global warming has come since it was first promulgated in the mid-80's. I have actually seen, several times, a documentary from around 1980 saying that there was going to be catastrophic global COOLING.
And to finally tie this all together, China is exempted from Kyoto (China is on the verge of surpassing the US in fossil fuel consumption, without the environmental standards in place that the US has had for decades).

Carbon rush at World Bank

As the Kyoto Protocol comes into force this month, a carbon rush is gaining steam in the financial industry. Investors predict that the carbon trade could become one of the largest markets in the world with a trading volume of US$60-$250 billion by 2008 and some unlikely actors are gearing up to profit from this new, invisible market. Foremost among them is the World Bank.

...As the Kyoto Protocol comes into force this month, a carbon rush is gaining steam in the financial industry. Investors predict that the carbon trade could become one of the largest markets in the world with a trading volume of US$60-$250 billion by 2008 and some unlikely actors are gearing up to profit from this new, invisible market. Foremost among them is the World Bank. ....

Why is there so much support for carbon trading? Well, there is plenty of money to be made. The average citizen won't make any; instead, the very same corporations who fuel the problem - the large oil, gas, and coal companies - are among those who will profit from this trade in invisible gases. For instance, just last month, Danish power utility Energi E2 sold hundreds of thousands of dollars of the rights it had been granted free by its government to Shell Oil Company after mild temperatures kept the utility's carbon emissions below expected levels. No such free rights have been granted to ordinary Danish citizens, however.

One institution that is well versed in this complicated market is the World Bank.....
....the World Bank saw opportunity. One leaked document exposed World Bank plans to profit handsomely by charging a 5% commission on carbon transactions in a self-appointed role as a broker between Northern and Southern governments and industries. (The commission - which the Bank now claims is merely to cover costs - will be closer to 8-10%.) With a potential market in carbon dioxide that could reach $2 billion by 2005, the World Bank noted in the leaked memo, it could quickly earn $100 million in one year - and that was just for starters.

Leaked 1997 World Bank Group document
The leaked documents make clear that "low hanging fruit" - the easy pickings in the world of carbon emissions reductions - would be the first to be capitalized in a global market. Renewable energy would not come online via the CDM until carbon reached a price of $50/ton or more, the bank predicted...

Northern governments and corporations to profit from carbon profligacy in the North while the poorest and darkest skinned in the South pay with their health and lives. Worse, because there are no limits on greenhouse gas emissions in the developing world, the sort of emissions trading being proposed by various CDM actors could create perverse incentives for greater inefficiencies - such as encouraging more dumps to be built without methane capture as part of their design in order to lure potential carbon traders - and higher overall greenhouse gas emission as a result....

#223:

There's one called Fallen Angels by Larry Niven, Jerry Purnelle, and Michael Flynn. It's available online for free from Baen.

There was a much more important scientific discovery today:

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

There's one at every party: the buzzkill.

Lesley Walker of Cancer Research UK was dubious.

"There is considerable data documenting the link between drinking excess alcohol and the increased risk of a number of cancers, particularly in smokers," she said.

"Ellagic acid is a powerful antioxidant, but that does not mean it is necessary to hit the bottle," she said, noting that the ellagic acid can also be found in soft fruits.

I happen to be a Canadian with reasonable skills in Cuisine and Windows (albeit the MSoft variety), and one with envy for Americans who are not the subjects of a paternalistic Government, and one who so wishes sucessive Canadian PMs had the stature of American Presidents such as Mr. Bush. As for the Global Warming Farce, I experience it in Quebec every -30 degree Winter day. Those "Global Warming" days are quite common in our 6 or 7 months of deep freeze. Perfect for implementation of laws or policies people are too frozen or too deep into hibernation to protest about.

#245 CCR

Heh. That's it. I could have gotten off my butt and dug through my books...but you nailed it.

Thanks!

the Droll Troll wonders if the New Ice Age forecast a few years ago and the Current Global Warming change arrive at the same time won't they average out to a status quo

I heard they were going to get the CBC to broadcast it with an intro by David Suzuki...

Wanna hear another good one?

#251 dak
A better one would sure have to come from Adrienne Clarkson, our "Governor General" :-)
Have a look at how much of taxpayers' money her trips cost.

#223 Sarah D.
Anyone remember a sci-fi book that was set in the next ice-age?

I believe you're thinking of "Fallen Angels" by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, Michael Flynn ...
Two spacers crash on earth, enlist a conspiracy of Sci-Fi fans to get 'em home to the space station they belong.
Sound about right?

Pete,

That's it!

#230 V-Man

Not a bad start, but the problem is inherant in the system. If you're not DOing anything, you aren't NEEDED, right? So, the Drawer Peopel need to find new paper to shuffle, just to keep the silly job, and have to grow the department... etc... The answer is to DRAFT people to work for the govt - feed 'em Army chow, they live in barracks.... those that LIKE it, can re-up. Those that hate it (most rational folks) go a Real Good Job so they get out early.

Somebody needs to get this information to Bill O'Reilly. He says he's talked to some scientists who have convinced him of humans causing global warming.

Well, it's getting early up in this neck of the woods. Movie can finish DL'ing by itself. Back atchya, Sarah!
'Night

"Global warming" is like a left-wing cult, there is NO evidence to support it. But that won't stop big companies from cashing in . . . The headline story on Monday's Wall Street Journal:

General Electric Plans Broad Push On Green Issues
By KATHRYN KRANHOLD and JEFFREY BALL
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
May 9, 2005; Page A2

Seeking to make money on the global push toward tougher environmental regulation, General Electric Co. plans to roll out today a comprehensive investment, marketing and policy initiative that addresses environmental issues such as global warming and water shortages.

The Fairfield, Conn., conglomerate plans to more than double its investment, to $1.5 billion by 2010, in technologies that include cleaner coal-fired power plants, a diesel-and-electric hybrid locomotive and agricultural silicon that cuts the amount of water and pesticide used in spraying fields.

@258 cornholio

a diesel-and-electric hybrid locomotive and agricultural silicon that cuts the amount of water and pesticide used in spraying fields.

Sheesh...diesel and electric driven power plants have been around for more years than I want to count!
Silicon on our crops? The greenies should love that one! I'll be growing my own, with a hand operated water well.

I am seeding the entire movie as one file to TorrentReactor.net. Check for it tomorrow and start spreading it!

The torrent will be posted at Minnova.com for Monday morning under the name "Climate Catastrophe Cancelled". Please help seed it.

Make that [Link: www.mininova.com...]

Now, climate is changing. What we cannot tell to any reasonable degree of accuracy is the exact causes of this change. Thus, any action to tackle this change is, at the moment, based upon thin air.

#259 quark2

I think that this "agricultural silicon" is instead granular silica gel to be added to the soil in order to retain humidity - similar products are already available for house plants.

As for the diesel-electric locomotive, it's a hybrid system that uses the energy recovered during braking to charge batteries that will be used to power the engine(s) later.
These hybrid systems do work, but I'm not sure it is a bargain overall.

#9 Grumpy Tory Student

It's friggin' frustrating. There're about 30% of us who're just waiting for the day the US annexes us. Hell, there's a provision in the US constitution which allows for Canada's union with the US without the assent of the states. My plan is to become Prime Minister and then send the overtures to the US president.

>Never happen Grumpy...Canadians are too fookin' stupid...look what the Liberal Party corrupt moonbats have done during Adscam and the Gormery Inquiry and you watch, the Canuckistan "subjects" will return these CommieJapoNazis to office because they ain't American in outlook.

Most every Canadian I have met has their head up their ass when it comes to politics and world matters and keep prefering the gravy on their fries, donuts and Molsons.....hehehehe. Cheap vacations in captive nation Cuba and that air of moral super liberal wipe my ass attitute these monkey try to lord over the rest.

ahem.

from the quote above:

"The Heidelberg Appeal — which states that there is no scientific evidence for man-made global warming, "

the H.A. does not mention 'global warming' and does not contradict it.

which is perhaps why 49 of the 72 Nobel Laureates who were signatories to its blandness also signed the World Scientists' Warning To Humanity, which DOES mention Global Warming and says of it:

"Uncertainty over the extent of these effects cannot excuse complacency or delay in facing the threat."

[Link: www.deoxy.org...]

so how does your source get to this:

"tens of thousands, from around the world, all agreeing on one issue: that there is no scientific evidence of man-made global warming."

this really is a pretty screwy left wing cult & conspiracy you are all up against. everyone is lying. trust noone. take your guns and hide in the hills.

I highly recommend Michael Chrichton's "State of Fear" and also Facts Not Fear: [Link: www.amazon.com...]

These nuts on the left only hurt their cause. I am more than open to the possibility global warming is happening and is caused by humans, but it does not move me to take them seriously when every time someone objects or simply wants to examine evidence, they get shouted down, denied tenure, etc.

I found "The Skeptical Environmentalist" to be a great book for anyone who cares about the environment but at the same time is not interested in scare tactics. It's written by a former environmentalist and in it he tears apart all of the lies of the environmental movements. He still cares and wants to preserve the environment, but shows how you can help people at the same time.

#130 Sloth/ others - you praise Michael Crichton's footnotes to State of Fear.

these either all or generally refer to scientists who disagree with him:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Yeah! This subject just Irks me to no end because my husband is a environmental scientist (geology) and he finds no evidence for the global warming senerio

Great speech by Micheal Critchton to share

[Link: www.sepp.org...]

ape,

The Kyoto Protocol is an anti-capitalist, anti-American political document disguised in pseudo-environmental mumbo-jumbo. This is betrayed by the fact that China, one of the largest sources, and by 2050 THE largest source of so-called greenhouse gases, is exempt from any restrictions whatsoever. Even its supporters have to admit that, if it were fully implemented, it would have legligible effect, other than symbolism.

I take it from this post, Charles, that you believe global warming is a hoax? Or just that the Kyoto Protocol, with its lack of any significant controls on developing country emissions, is worthless?

Or both?

Or neither? Are you just posting information?

I just can't get over how retarded this entire debate over "Global Warming" is.

Like milder winters are somehow going to be the doom of humanity.

I'm not a scientist or climatologist. I don't have fancy models or Ivy league credentials, but I do know something about history.

Warmer periods have invariably coincided with a flowering of human civilization. Cooler periods with chaos and war. The barbarian migrations of late antiquity were a direct result of cooling in northern and central Europe. The Vikings "Age of Exploration" was abandoned due to the advance of the northern ice pack.

Then again, environmentalism is a religion, and every religion must have its apocalypse.

From a system analysis standpoint, Kyoto is a solution to a scarcely known problem drawn on the basis of an incomplete system analysis. It has high costs with almost zero benefits, as well.

In other words, crap.

I may be less costly to try and cope with the warming, rather than trying to stop and even roll it back. Or the answer may lie in some discovery/invention yet to come.

#146 pookleblinky:

So why are we standing in the way?

Its called "Environmental Imperialism," and is far more costly in lives than say, globalization.

#272 Dirk: You have an interesting point. The main problem with global warming, if in fact it is occurring, is the rise in sea levels. The human investment in seashores around the world is staggering, and a rise of even a few feet will require massive relocation of hundreds of millions of people. Not that it can't be done, but we'd all be better off if we didn't have to do it.

The human investment in seashores around the world is staggering, and a rise of even a few feet will require massive relocation of hundreds of millions of people. Not that it can't be done, but we'd all be better off if we didn't have to do it.

Are sea levels predicted to rise a few feet? If so, (and I doubt it) over what period of time? Years? Decades? Centuries?

I just don't see the need for "Left Behind" type doom mongering.

I remember reading an article about how hydrogen vehicles could potentially damage the ozone layer. Well which is it enviros? Fossil fuels and global warming or hydrogen and ozone depletion?

It seems humanity is totally screwed either way.

Obviously, these intrepid documentarists need to make their product available South of the border (ie, in the USA), where our public air waves are, as of yet, still not (supposedly) restricted.

Kyoto is a economic wealth redistribution scheme. It's good if you're in a non-industrialized country. But if you're in Canada or the United States then Kyoto is nothing but trouble for you. You will pay dearly and receive nothing for it.

There are better ways to bring the third world into the first world order, but penalizing the first world to do it is the absolute worst way to go about it.

It doesn't surprise me that first world governments have tried their best to suppress competing views on man made global warming. First world governments have assessed that putting hard casts on their own people is the better way to uplift the third world.