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Newsweek In Damage Control Mode

Sun, May 15, 2005 at 10:26:32 am PDT

Newsweek’s Evan Thomas tries to put a Band-Aid on their credibility, with a non-apology for their use of an anonymous source in the “Quran desecration” story: How a Fire Broke Out. (Hat tip: Roger L. Simon.)

Part of Newsweek’s defense involves the word of released jihadis, who seem to be more credible to Newsweek than the Pentagon:

NEWSWEEK was not the first to report allegations of desecrating the Qur’an. As early as last spring and summer, similar reports from released detainees started surfacing in British and Russian news reports, and in the Arab news agency Al-Jazeera; claims by other released detainees have been covered in other media since then.

Contrast this uncritical citation of reports from prisoners trained to exaggerate and lie about the circumstances of their detention with Newsweek’s obviously skeptical reading of the Pentagon’s statements:

After the rioting began last week, the Pentagon attempted to determine the veracity of the NEWSWEEK story. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard Myers told reporters that so far no allegations had been proven. He did appear to cryptically refer to two mentions found in the logs of prison guards in Gitmo: a report that a detainee had used pages of the Qur’an to stop up a crude toilet as a form of protest, and a complaint from a detainee that a prison guard had knocked down a Qur’an hanging in a bag in his cell.

On Friday night, Pentagon spokesman DiRita called NEWSWEEK to complain about the original PERISCOPE item. He said, “We pursue all credible allegations” of prisoner abuse, but insisted that the investigators had found none involving Qur’an desecration. DiRita sent NEWSWEEK a copy of rules issued to the guards (after the incidents mentioned by General Myers) to guarantee respect for Islamic worship. On Saturday, Isikoff spoke to his original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur’an, including a toilet incident. But the official, still speaking anonymously, could no longer be sure that these concerns had surfaced in the SouthCom report. Told of what the NEWSWEEK source said, DiRita exploded, “People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said. How could he be credible now?”

Indeed.

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1 BabbaZee  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:28:09am

People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said. How could he be credible now?

Selah!

2 GNIDAthe#seCond  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:29:56am

This is scandalous! Newsweek should be sued for libel!

3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:32:43am

I remember reading one Leftist's rant, back in April 2003, about how US forces had not found the infamous "plastic shredder of doom" (my name, not his) and ridiculed how were so foolish to believe the stories from former prisoners of Saddam's regime.

That's yet another hypocricy of the Left in the WoT: A prisoner is lying through his teeth except when his stories "confirm" your conspiracy theories.

4 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:33:45am

#1 Babba Zee

Hello ! Nice to see you !

ON topic:

and in the Arab news agency Al-Jazeera

And the Volkischer Beobachter said that Adolf Hitler was great.

And the BTK says he's innocent.

But on the other hand, all this is OK: the islamofascists are going to be hammered more and more.

5 grayp  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:34:13am

If it were'nt for the literally lethal fallout of this piece of trash reporting, I would almost be grateful for it - another body blow to the MSM.

6 Texas Tony  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:35:39am

Newsweak should be made to pay reparations to all the victims/families of the violence created by their "propaganda".

7 Terrye  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:37:44am

Someone should go to jail for this. I mean it.

If I walked into a crowded theatre and screamed fire and people died in the resulting panic, freedom of speech would not be a defence for me.

And it should not be for newsweek either. This is criminal negligence and I suggest they work double time to convince those crazy jihadis over there that the only descrating going on is newsweek's desecration of the code of journalism.

whatever happened to two sources to verify?

8 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:38:25am

Meanwhile, it's Israel's founding anniversary this weekend. As of 1:30pm EST, Google News' top story on the subject is this item from the CBC: Palestinians mark Al-Naqba Day. And, clicking back to check, all the related stories with linked headlines are anti-Israel, too.

Surely an mindless, automated, newsgathering algorithm can't be biased, can it?

9 Superjhero  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:39:24am

I was just watching Wolf Blitzer on CNN and he mentioned the Qu'arn incident at Gitmo, but he never seemed to mention that the allegations were unproven and most likely false.....HMMMMM

10 RBMN  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:39:35am

For me, Newsweak was always in that group of news sources where my first question is: anything here if I take all the left-tilt and ax-grinding out? Often the answer is no.

11 jimmytheclaw  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:40:33am

steve emerson on fox last night said that this incident shows the total hypocracy in the islamic world. example church of the nativity incident christians didnt riot. and he mentioned the lack of response when non muslims are persecuted there is a deafening silence.

/ok back to copffee ande hangover cures

12 sngnsgt  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:40:52am

Newsweak:

Fake but ummm.......

/Dan Rather

13 Malleus Dei  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:41:32am

"For me, Newsweak was always in that group of news sources where my first question is: anything here if I take all the left-tilt and ax-grinding out?"

You mean the one that includes CBS and CNN and the NYT and the LA Times?

The Mainstream Media is out and out Leftist.

14 BignJames  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:41:51am

Tough to cover your ass, when you're ass all over.

15 JHW  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:41:55am

No fact-checking,print any rumor that comes along just as long as its sensational enough to embarass the US, never worry about the repercussions amongst a barbarian mind-set, no qualms about the mayhem and death that they had to know would result amongst these barbarians,....I sure hope Newsweek is proud of their "journalism", maybe a Pulitzer Prize for creating news instead of reporting it.Dan Rather fell into the same pit. The MSM is worthless unless all you care about is celebrity trials.Send them to the "clerics" as the ones responsible for desecrating their murder manual.

16 least  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:41:58am

Irrationality reigns.
Especially when dealing with anything to do with the RoP.

17 USA  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:42:05am

Newsweek will never be able to wash this blood off its hands.

18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:42:37am

#7 Terrye

whatever happened to two sources to verify?

They do have two sources: an anonymous jihadi and DU/Kos informants. Both say the US is desecrating Korans, so obviously they must be telling the truth. After all, they'd never lie...would they?

19 johnCV  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:43:31am

Trouble is, those who are familiar with the MSM and thier increasingly open anti-US, anti-conservative agenda already assumed this story was BS (or at best over-hyped) to begin with.
Those who agree with the MSM viewpoint will dismiss the counter charges as "typical right-wing" misinformation yadda, yadda yadda.
The middle group of disinterested 'citizens' (the great unwashed) see this story and go, "hmmph, wonder what that's all about?". I suspect the numbers of 'disinterested types' is greatly reduced from say 5 years ago, but still way too many. Sides are being chosen.
The net effect? Newsweek, cBS, al-reuters, nyt, lat and thier lesser minions will continue to propagate thier lies and misinformation for the consumption of the kool-aid drinkers with little consequence, or change, other than the obvious decline in circulation currently taking place. But even that will slow as the seekers of truth and information find alternate (and trustworthy) sources of news.
Faster please.

20 Narniaman  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:45:13am

Thank goodness this was reported in the MSM, where they have all those wonderful fact checking editors completely dedicated to the truth who make sure that nothing but the truth and the whole truth is published. . . . .


. . . . unlike the Blogosphere, that is completely without scruples or responsiblity.

/LLL off

21 Malleus Dei  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:45:27am

Anyone actually think that Newsweek will do what integrity demands and apologize and print a correction?

22 Belize042  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:45:29am

The article is a scream.

That does not quite explain, however, why the protest and rioting over Qur'an desecration spread throughout the Islamic region.

New to the whole ROP thing, are you, Newsweak?

Insert mandatory Abu Ghraib reference:

After so many gruesome reports of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere...

Add more idiocy:

...the vehemence of feeling around this case came as something of a surprise.

They must be joking.

And, "Vehemence of feeling" would make an excellent name for a rock band, and a great addition to the Rotating Titles.

23 ShyGuy  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:45:33am

Well I was just in Newsweek's US offices last week and I saw the chielf editor ripping a copy of the Quran to shreds, laughing hysterically.

COME AND GET IT!

24 Geepers  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:46:48am

Evan Thomas has admitted that Newsweek isn't interested in the truth:

The media “wants Kerry to win” and so “they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic” and “there’s going to be this glow about” them, Evan Thomas, the Assistant Managing Editor of Newsweek, admitted on Inside Washington over the weekend.
25 jimg  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:47:31am

You'll pardon me for being insensitive, but even IF it did happen, what crime was committed?

Seriously. Not to advocate it, but is it an actual crime to take pages of the Bible and flush them down the toilet?

They declared the freaking Holy War, and everybody's out of shape over pages in a book?

Whatever.

26 Gagdad Bob  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:47:56am

How could this have happened? Newsweek has more fact-chuckers than the NY Times.

27 a.k.a. Will  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:48:08am
Part of Newsweek’s defense involves the word of released jihadis, who seem to be more credible to Newsweek than the Pentagon:

It's not credibility they were looking for, but the anti-American, anti- Bush Administration content.

28 jayfen  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:48:12am

American media, (in general terms only)IMO tend to disbelieve any military spokesperson. Due in large part to the VietNam War and the way officials lied back then. Hey it was the Johnson Administration (Democratic) that created the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. It was the Golden Age of advocacy journalism against lies and half truths, and today's lazy reporters are trying to capture that without doing their homework. They see more self interest in "getting" the US, than in defending our policies.

29 johnCV  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:48:38am

Is this the type of 'fact-checking' that the internet needs? Every MSM blow-hard pundit constantly decries the lack of responsibility shown on the net - as compared to the 'layers of oversight' every story must go through to be published in the estblished press.

*cough cought bullshit cough*

30 Malleus Dei  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:48:54am

"Sides are being chosen."

Sides have already BEEN chosen for World War IV. It's the forces of light - America, Australia, and Israel - versus the forces of darkness - Europe, the anti-American Left and Islam.

The status of the UK and Italy is indeterminate at this point in time.

31 Sarah D.  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:49:24am

I'll echo #25. Whatever.

This only proves that the koran is evil, and it will only serve to strengthen the resolve of those who are fighting this scourge.

32 Malleus Dei  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:50:15am

"It's not credibility they were looking for, but the anti-American, anti- Bush Administration content."

Yes indeed.

33 PDM  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:50:59am

#12 sngnsgt,

Newsweak:

Fake but ummm.......

/Dan Rather

Fake but deadly.

34 Sarah D.  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:51:50am

The ROP strikes again.

35 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:52:00am

Newsweek (Part of the DNC MSM) got what it wanted. Anger at the US. Images of anger at the US.

After all, things are going rather well over there, progress is being made in the name of peace and Democracy. The American Left cannot simply stand by and let that happen. The Leftists at Newsweek must show the world how America is the evil.

Why should Newsweek apologize?- they are all probably high-fiving each other. Pathetic.

36 Narniaman  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:52:19am
Well I was just in Newsweek's US offices last week and I saw the chielf editor ripping a copy of the Quran to shreds, laughing hysterically.

What surprised me was the locked executive bathrooms used the Quran for toilet paper.

I told them that was wrong, but they wouldn't listen to me, and said that Time magazine, the LA Times, the NY Times, the Washington Post, NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, and PBS and Molly Ivins and Maureen Dodd and Paul Krugman all do the same thing.

Shocking.

/filthy liar mode off

37 FreakyBoy  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:53:21am
similar reports from released detainees started surfacing in British and Russian news reports, and in the Arab news agency Al-Jazeera

Like the game "telephone" in grade school. One paper whispers "the koran was used to stop up toilets by detainees" and it goes around the anti-American media horn and comes out "The US interrogators peed on the koran".

Journalists are scum.

How many people died in the riots following the showing of that "Piss Christ" artwork? (and at least it's existence was verifiable).

38 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:54:23am

I think even William Randolph Hearst would think Evan Thomas has taken yellow journalism to a new low.

39 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:55:16am

#22 belize042:

New to the whole ROP thing, are you, Newsweak?

When political correctness forbids so much as naming the enemy, numerous embarrassing blindspots blot one's eyesight. Since terrorism has NothingToDoWithIslam (on pain of sensitivity training), liberals and the MSM are honor-bound to be absolutely blindsided with astonishment at every eruption of Islamic mass bigotry. Because, who coulda guessed?

40 Ol' flyboy  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:55:31am

This is a dream come true for Newsweak. They have created a sensational story and can now devote several issues to the rising tide of anti-Americanism throughout the world and the failed wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

41 johnCV  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:55:33am

25 jimg

Some mohammadens murder thousands of Jews and Christians, attack sacred Jewish and Christian sites, explicitly claim these attacks are to kill Jews and Christians and the response of the West is to 'seek understanding'.

Supposedly some pages of teh koran are flushed and they go on a killing pampage, and teh allegation requires a staement from the Pentagon, White House and is front page news.

How fucked up is that?

42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:56:15am

#34 Sarah D.

The ROP strikes again.

Has the Left worked up an anti-American theory yet as to the bodies? I'm guessing it'll somehow be tied into Condi's visit.

43 a.k.a. Will  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:56:19am

Terrye #7

Someone should go to jail for this. I mean it.

Not really. If we did that, we'd be accepting the Muslims insane reaction as justifiable or reasonable. This is a case of two wrongs and they should be viewed independently.

Not positive what you mean, but it's wreckless journalism, then insane overreactions that resulted in deaths. Two separate events.

44 realwest  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:56:26am

Hey youse'all - check the link so kindly posted by Havoc at comment #78 on the previous thread. Eric and Viv are writing a book, which Eric gave to the Pentagon for approval for publication (and for which Penguin Press has already had to issue an errata statement). That's what Newsweek has as "sources." That and "unnamed" released "detainees" and of course Arab media. If you want to know more about Eric and Viv, Havoc generously posted links to who they are in his comment #78. I encourage you all to read those links.
Newsweek isn't guilty of shoddy journalism; they're guilty of using questionable sources trying to "beat the drum" about their hopefully forthcoming bestseller. No reason for them to exaggerate or stretch or make up the truth is there?

Newsweek is DIRECTLY responsible for those deaths. Period.

45 Timbre  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:56:52am

Flush Newsweek!

46 jayfen  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:57:27am

#36 narniaman

"What surprised me was the locked executive bathrooms used the Quran for toilet paper."

After exhaustive tests with the Old and New Testaments, they noticed the Koran's paper was much softer.

47 opine6  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:58:21am

Does anyone have the email contacts for Isikoff, Barry and Newsweek? I couldn't locate them on the Newsweek web site.

An email campaign is in order here from all outraged Americans (like me) over this unsubstantiated story. Isikoff and Barry should be turned over to the clerics, as the perpetrators of this "crime".

48 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, May 15, 2005 8:59:58am

As I said earlier, except for a few true moonbats, for any American, a story about a Koran on a toilet is a true yawner.


So News-weak was either trying to fire up the moonbats, or were trying to get the Muslims fired up again.


I don't know the numbers, but it seemed like Afghanistan had become relatively safe for US troops, maybe 1 or 2 killed per month. That looks likely to change, and those deaths will be the responsibility of News-weak.

49 Elcid  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:01:35am

newsweak, is an agitator for profit. They could care less for human toll, if they could have kissed saddam's ass as cnn did, they would have.

Forget ANY human death toll, they don't care...sell magazines, is what they are about.

OT

Speaking of inciting haters....

Dean: DeLay Belongs in 'Jail'

Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:40 a.m. EDT
NewsMax

And everyone thought little bi-polar howie, would be not heard and seen in the postion he was awarded.

50 Sarah D.  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:01:48am

#42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Of course. Idiots abound. Wait for further developments.

51 Geepers  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:02:01am

Dear Mr. Evans,

I'm glad you are down with unsubstantiated accusations made by completely unreliable sources.

I've got some anonymous accusations about you and Michael Jackson that will be all over the morning papers.

Have a nice day.

52 sngnsgt  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:02:45am

Don't squeeze the Charmin, squeeze Newsweak.

/Mr. Whipple

53 realwest  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:04:31am

43 a.k.a. Will - I have to disagree with you, at least in part. Although they were two separate events, the first (Newsweek) was the causation of the second (insane overreaction).
If, as someone else has posted above, someone yells "fire" in a crowed theater (when there is no fire, nor any credible reason for that person to believe there's a fire) and the audience "overreacts" by stampeding out of the theater and in that stampede people are crushed to death, you can't separate the first act of yelling "fire" from the second act of stampeding people in the theater.
That the audience, for whatever reasons, was primed to stampede before the cry of "fire" was sounded, it STILL doesn't exempt the person yelling "fire" from prosecution and liability for the results of yelling fire with no credible reason for so doing.

54 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:06:43am

#49 Elcid
"Bi-polar" Howie - LOL.

He's hysterical – I am so glad he represents the Donks. Great fun. His mouth is the Donks doom.

If Delay belongs in jail - then Pelosi must deserve the death penalty.

55 snoutcounter  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:07:41am

Jeepers!Remindes me of the fool who wrote aboutthe CIA agent, then saying "well i was not the first or only reporter who outed her"as if that is a defense.remerber Lizards these are the same folks that wail and cry when one of our smart bombs kills a innocent gost,yet their own word are the cause of hundreds of HUMAN deaths....nice

56 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:09:01am

BTW, Most Liberals are Traitors.


This was designed, by a liberal media, to hurt the WoT, and hurt cooperation with the (relatively) less extreme Islamic nations.


Now, Muslims are dead, and US troops face increased danger.

Oh, and next time an asshat (guess who I'm thinking of) compares "Fundamentalist Christians" to "Fundamentalist Muslims" ask him how Marilyn Manson can tear up and desecrate the Bible in concert, but still walk the streets without fear of violence from Christians.

57 amir  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:10:38am

I don't think Newsweak is the issue here.I agree with #43.
You're analogy Realwest should be:
Someone yells fire in a movie theatre, Jihadi movie goers murders all Americans in the vicinity.
In this analogy the one yelling "fire" probably believed there may indeed be a fire and the reaction is not an over reaction but a totally inappropriate, immoral one.

58 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:10:57am

I cancelled my subscription to Newsweek during the Clinton impeachment debacle--I had enough of their inability to report the truth,

THIS story, fabricated as it is, is beyond the pale.

However, the point made earlier (even if true, so what?) is imoortant. When our countrymen and those of ally nations are beheaded, we're outraged but we don't attack Muslims. Ergo, this story supports the idea that Muslims are somehow less civilized than Westerners.

59 snoutcounter  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:11:39am

correction on #55 that's innocent goats

60 BignJames  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:11:57am

#54 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

Babs and Nan hang on their day off.

[Link: doggerelpundit.blogspot.com...]

61 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:12:06am

#56 Ed -

Oh, and next time an asshat (guess who I'm thinking of) compares "Fundamentalist Christians" to "Fundamentalist Muslims" ask him how Marilyn Manson can tear up and desecrate the Bible in concert, but still walk the streets without fear of violence from Christians.

I will do that.

62 satan sidekick  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:13:04am

42 targetpractice

Has the Left worked up an anti-American theory yet as to the bodies? I'm guessing it'll somehow be tied into Condi's visit.

According to some lefties and moonbats the ONLY reason we are even hated by the RoP is because Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam in 1983 to agrre to arm Saddam with weapons. This indicates that Rumsfeld was in cahoots with Saddam.

/do I even need to?

63 Jakester  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:13:11am

#56 Ahh Ed, that is a bunch of mindless hype! Most likely the fool had no idea what would happen, after all Koran desecration charges are a staple in the Shitlam world.

64 David 'Parisian Insider'  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:15:57am

#29 johnCV
I was just reflecting about that myself. A few flushed-or-not-flushed Qu'rans and we have a Abu Ghraib redux and thousands of Muslims demonstrating against this newer example of the West's abomination.
Concerning the millions of people dayly humiliated, oppressed and forbidden to worship their religion in Muslim countries, we are still waiting.

65 jrausta  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:16:27am

Comments may be sent to: WebEditors@newsweek.com

66 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:17:35am

OT: Hail To The Sith, baby.

[Link: www.capnwacky.com...]

67 Keyser Soze abupango  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:20:18am

Here's more on the America hating pig
[Link: www.msnbc.com...]

68 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:21:38am

#60 BignJames

For a bellicose head where no knowledge was spread Is an auto at speed with no driver.

LOL.

"Losi" – what large bosoms you have. eeeek.

69 TotallySirius  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:22:56am

I say we turn the Newsweek staff over to the clerics.

70 a.k.a. Will  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:28:38am

realwest #53

That the audience, for whatever reasons, was primed to stampede before the cry of "fire" was sounded, it STILL doesn't exempt the person yelling "fire" from prosecution and liability for the results of yelling fire with no credible reason for so doing.

Oh, it's a slight disagreement. I doubt movie audiences are really "primed to stampede." But I think all too many groups of Muslims are primed to riot at the slightest provocation.

I think the hyper-sensitivity of some Muslims is so insane, that their reactions should be considered a separate event, even when the initial event was wrong. But the initial event might be nothing but an exercise of free speech, as Salman Rushdie did. That set Khomeine off to write a fatwa, and some Muslims to pursue Rushdie with the intend of murdering him for his offense against Islam.

If the Koran desecration were 100% true, the Muslim would have reacted no differently.

71 EricOF  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:30:58am

Newsweek is obviously complicit in this mayhem if they got it wrong and knowing the Islamists scum mentality as they ought. But what gets my attention most is the blindingly obvious nature of Islam. Any scum who believe that people should be killed for burning a book have no right to breath oxygen. You can not make nice with this trash. Islam is nothing more than a cult of repression and death.

72 a.k.a. Will  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:33:46am

realwest #53

One other thought. If we accept that no one should do or say anything (even when 100% true) that might offend and set-off Muslims, then we've let them censor our actions and speech, and have become full-fledged members of the politically correct crowd.

73 amir  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:37:48am

#72 a.k.a. will

You're absolutely right.
We make ourselves the dhimmi.

It's time to read about Tatiana Soskin

74 luckystrike  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:40:35am

I just told my wife that i`m exercising my veto power and cancel her Newsweek subscription...
I expected her to put up a fight ,but she just rolled her eyes and replied "who cares for that rag anyway?!".

75 realwest  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:44:21am

#57 amir -as I said "someone yells "fire" in a crowed theater (when there is no fire, N0R ANY CREDIBLE reason for that person to believe there's a fire)" [emphasis added] - as I pointed out in my post #44, Newsweek had no credible sources for it's story. I do urge you to go to the link, and the link Havoc provided on his #78 in the previous thread about the authors.
Please also see #56 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades post on this thread
"This was designed, by a liberal media, to hurt the WoT, and hurt cooperation with the (relatively) less extreme Islamic nations.

Now, Muslims are dead, and US troops face increased danger."

Finally, please note that I am NOT excusing the reaction of the members of the Cult of Islam for their responsibility, only pointing out that Newsweek gave them the reason d'etre
for that reaction.

76 Captain Hate  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:47:19am

It's certainly a pleasure watching these idiots in the MSM continue to spiral downward to a well-deserved oblivion. Usually nails are put in coffins from the outside.

77 Walter E. Wallis  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:48:56am

The Newsqueek editorial staff needs to go to Afghanistan and directly address the people. They should come back only when the people are satisfied that Newsqueek was lying and that American troops are innocent of the charges. If the Afghani choose to throw rocks at the editors, who are we to challenge ancient custom?

78 bangalore  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:50:09am

Just curious, can anybody come up with an instance where a blog has been responsible for putting out a untrue story that was directly responsible for 15 deaths?

79 MootPoint  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:50:23am

#67 Keyser Soze abupango

That last paragraph is very telling....

Thomas is married to Oscie Thomas, a lawyer with AT&T. He grew up in Cold Spring Harbor, New York, the son of publisher Evan Thomas II, and the grandson of Socialist leader Norman Thomas.


AT&T - very anti-2nd Amendment

grandson of Socialist leader Norman Thomas - something to be proud of?

80 a.k.a. Will  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:50:28am

amir #73

That's a regrettable story. I've often heard how LLL the Israeli Judiciary can be, and this story sure provides more evidence.

Now, when Muslims in the US are offended, CAIR and other organizations just demand apologies. But it won't be long until they are taking things to court and demanding laws against antyhing that offends them.

81 Geepers  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:55:57am

Keyser Soze abupango (#67),

Thanks for the link.

Big surprise here huh?

[Evan Thomas] grew up in Cold Spring Harbor, New York, the son of publisher Evan Thomas II, and the grandson of Socialist leader Norman Thomas.

Norman your grandson turned out to be a National Socialist leader in the mold of Joseph Gobbles. You should be proud.

82 amir  Sun, May 15, 2005 9:58:44am

realwest

thanks for the links.
I guess I've come to expect the media to be irresponsible, so I let it slide.
But the fanatic jihadis want us all to be on our tippitoes around them.
If the media reports nonsence about the economy, medicine, politics, everything ... than we know that a report in newsweak is not worth a massacre, even if it concerns the Koran.

a.k.a. will
more on tatiana suuskin including another picture of her. Doesn't she look just like the kind of girl that wants to spark a holly war?
The Tatiana Soskin Case Critically Examined

83 Nancy  Sun, May 15, 2005 10:59:37am

original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur’an

Sure Isikoff calls someone he knows and says his reporters mention an investigation into misuse of the Koran and this senior official says he recalls reading that. Which was true, a detainee tore up a Koran and intentionall clogged the toilet.

When the senior official says he "recalls" that immediately tells Isikoff this person is not confirming WHO and does not recall WHO did it.

Why is it that the media cannot understand these detainees lie, especially to reporters or even conceive they might be the ones lying and/or doing the very acts they charge others with doing?

84 Nancy  Sun, May 15, 2005 11:09:23am

The website "cage prisoners" is responsible for most of the propoganda about how Muslims are mistreated.

Their stuff is reposted all over the internet.

Desecrating the Koran is always cited, lack of proper Muslim food is cited, lack of prayer time and so on.

THey have a standard "format" of outrage for indignities against Muslims.

It doesn't matter whether these things are true or not because they only have to convince their fellow Muslims to be outraged and the mainstream media ends up helping them do that.

85 Paul  Sun, May 15, 2005 12:33:06pm

#81 Geepers

[Evan Thomas] grew up in Cold Spring Harbor, New York

Cold Spring Harbor is on the north shore of Long Island, part of the "Gold Coast". Million dollar homes are common; a nice neighborhood for the grandson of a crusading socialist.

[Link: www.life.uiuc.edu...]

86 Geepers  Sun, May 15, 2005 12:53:18pm

Paul (#85),

Must be nice.

Obviously some Socialists are more equal than others.

87 William  Sun, May 15, 2005 12:56:53pm

NewsWeak:

As early as last spring and summer, similar reports from released detainees started surfacing in British and Russian news reports, and in the Arab news agency Al-Jazeera...


My, what high standards NewsWeak has for reporting "news" -- released jihadis, and JihadTV.

Hey dummies at Newsweek, try following along with the rest of the adults, and have a look at Lesson 18 from the training manual of the islamic terrorist group "Al Qaeda," on how jihadis should manipulate the Western legal system upon capture:

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

Newsweek, you are not only idiots, you have blood on your hands today, and will have yet more blood on your hands in the coming weeks and years, with this propaganda coup you've given to the enemy.
 

88 BingoBunny  Sun, May 15, 2005 2:07:23pm

#28

Your buying into the whole MSM line about Vietnam..there was no government lies going on then..any mis-statements that were made were the result of trying too hard to be factual as fast as the MSM demanded answers. And then if a dot wasn't crossed or a T dotted as the MSM demanded, from their lofty platform of profession critic, they started investigating the government lies.. sometimes dozens of times. like the Gulf of Tonkin so that eventually no one could tell fact from fiction and they could pretend that must mean there were deliberate lies.

89 Red Barchetta  Sun, May 15, 2005 2:40:17pm

"Newsweek cited an American citizen as saying 'Islam sucks, my God can beat up your God'. The resulting news story has caused thousands of deaths across the world, but was deemed factually correct and newsworthy"

This is what it'll boil down to for these liberal "journalists" here soon. Thanks Newsweek, Thanks...

90 Joel  Sun, May 15, 2005 3:13:53pm

Via Powerline blog

What I find most interesting is that Newsweek insists on spelling the name of the holy book of Islam "Qur'an" despite the fact that there has been a perfectly good word for it in use in the English language ("Koran") since 1625. "Qur'an" is a transliteration of the Arabic word for the Koran (although my dictionary says there should be a long vowel mark over the A--but, since I don't speak Arabic, I will have to take its word for it). So using Qur'an instead of Koran is like using "Athina" for "Athens" of "Moskva" for "Moscow." In other words, political correctness run amok.
91 NTropy  Sun, May 15, 2005 4:09:15pm

Tell you what; if they really want desecration of the Qu'ran how about this or this? Those should really get them spinning.

92 fuzzy  Sun, May 15, 2005 4:56:32pm

GREAT!

Newsweak prints an outright falsehood---and then says: "Gee, we wuz wrong!"

I wonder how many more will die because of their utter stupidity? Hopefully, someone in the Justice Department will go after those responsible....and put them away for a long, long time!

93 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, May 15, 2005 4:56:48pm

As far as I'm concerned, the writer of that article, and News Week the magazine are guilty of causing every single one of the deaths that resulted from that article....I hope that this haunts them in their sleep.

The bastards!

94 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 8:54:08am

testing


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