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Flag Hijinx at MIT

Wed, May 18, 2005 at 2:53:15 pm PDT

Joseph Barillari draws our attention to this example of art abuse, at the Wiesner Art Gallery in the student center at MIT:

... accompanied by this deliberately incomprehensible justification from the artist:

Protest Flags
These were the confluence of two separate plans - one to dye flags black, in order to convey a very different and unfamiliar visual impression of these well-known icons, and the other to use ‘sacred cloth’ as a medium for other messages, in order to attract more attention. Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided an almost limitless supply of these banners on every street corner, and subsequent manipulation of these events to commit further mass murder for political gain provided a moral imperative to protest. Unfortunately, many variants of the flags did not receive the dye well; I therefore saved the well-dyed ones for their naked visual impact, and applied lettering to the fainter ones. I made several slogans, wearing and carrying them in protests in New York and Boston. My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Oh brother.

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1 goethe girl  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:55:19pm

These folks don't deserve to live in a free country.

2 Roland  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:55:41pm

Just more stupidity from academia!

3 Kevin Shook  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:56:04pm

But its ART!

4 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:57:12pm

*spit*

OT:
onight at 7 PM on KPFA 94.1 FM: The Nakba or the catastrophe of 1948, the 57th anniversary

Join Malihe and Khalil for this week's “Voices of the Middle East and North Africa” special marathon program, commemorating the 57th anniversary of the Nakba or the catastrophe of 1948 which resulted in expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians from Historic Palestine, massacres of civilians, and the razing to the ground of hundreds of Palestinian villages.

Aloha nakba.

5 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:57:19pm

I'd like him some strong initial attention.

6 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:57:35pm
Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided an almost limitless supply of these banners

Fortunately? Fortunately?
I can't take it any more. Let there be a quick civil 'police action'

7 jimmytheclaw  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:57:43pm

now can he do the same but switch the flag with a koran

8 huckfunn  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:57:45pm

Why is it so "in-vogue" for American academia and press to hate Amercia. I just don't get it.

9 xbalanke  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:58:03pm
My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Uh-huh, riiight. It seems the main thing they teach in art school is how to spew drivel like this - they certainly don't teach anything like artistic technique.

10 neversurrender  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:58:14pm

Somebody please burn those flags and give them a decent retirement.

And then hunt down those responsible and retire them.

Liberals are traitors!

11 thesophist  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:58:15pm

I'd have been impressed if the "artist" had used say the Saudi flag for his "artwork"... or pages of the Koran to express his opinions. Now THAT would take guts.

Desecrating the American flag, using Christian symbols in some sort of desecratory "art"... that's soooo 90's. *yawn*

-TS

12 N. O'Brain  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:58:56pm

I know Art.

Art is a nice guy.

A lot of people take his name in vain, however.

13 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:59:00pm

#1 goethe girl

These folks don't deserve to live in a free country.

They're idiots, but it is a free country. That's why it's so great, idiots like these don't get executed.

14 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:59:20pm

Art students have been doing "the flag desecration" art for at least the last 30 years and what it suggests to me is they lack imagination and talent.

It certainly isn't an original concept just because they come up with a new format.

I hold the schools as responsible because most art work is juried and selected by a committee.

The artist is free to do whatever art they want but the schools are free to have standards and criteria for what gets exhibited.

15 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:59:53pm

Shall we riot in the streets now, or is that privelige reserved for the [bigoted word]s?

16 Norwegian kafir  Wed, May 18, 2005 12:59:59pm

UKB Cherokee Indians Statement on Ward Churchill

The United Keetoowah Band would like to make it clear that Mr. Churchill IS NOT a member of the Keetoowah Band and was only given an honorary 'associate membership' in the early 1990's because he could not prove any Cherokee ancestry. However, the associate rolls were discontinued shortly after Churchill received one: "Effective immediately, the UKB ceases to grant and/or recognize any/all future UKB Associate Memberships" - United Keetoowah Band Membership Amendment, 94-UKB-12A, July 9, 1994.

Any records of past affiliations with the UKB are non-existent, and Churchill does not appear anywhere on our membership rolls.

Mr. Churchill was never able to prove his eligibility in accordance with our membership laws, but was to be honored because of his promise to write our history, and his pledge to help and honor the UKB. To date, Churchill has done nothing in regards to his promise and pledge.

Mr. Churchill mocks the basic fundamental principles of Tribal Sovereignty when he consistently refers to enrollment as a "pedigree" and compares enrollment to "dogs" and "Nazi policies." Additionally, his rhetoric did not prevent him from approaching the UKB and seek a so-called "dog pedigree."

The UKB is concerned that non-Indians, as well as many young impressionable Native Americans may take Churchill's assertions at face value. We hope to set the record straight regarding this individual. The United Keetoowah Band has no association with Churchill in any capacity whatsoever and considers his comments offensive. His remarks in no way reflect the true compassion for the victims of the World Trade Center and their families that is felt by the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians.

17 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:00:10pm

Well, let's act like the ROP (spit) and burn down the fucking building.

18 schlagerman  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:00:50pm

Can I question the artist's patriotism now? We're at war and they're advocating the enemy for President. This goes way beyond just disagreeing with the war. It's sick.

19 samjohnson  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:01:16pm

I haven't noticed Americans rampaging through the streets killing and burning in response to this desecration of the flag.
[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

20 V the K  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:02:04pm
forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Um, if they don't already know that, aren't they incredibly stupid?

Or, is it just this artist?

21 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:03:21pm

Since when does MIT offer art classes?

22 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:03:29pm

Leftists are sick sad losers.


now - because I'm so angry and since desecrating the flag is against the laws of my religion - I am off to murder and burn things.

/Precious Muslim channeling

23 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:03:59pm
Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided an almost limitless supply of these banners on every street corner,

It isn't bad enough that flag desecration is a used up format, but he had to steal the materials too? This is what happens when your parents coo coo too much about what a great artist you are because you traded in the fingerpaints for feces.

24 rabidfox  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:04:20pm

This is nothing more than a quick way, a lazy mans way to quick fame. The Andy Warhol approach, as it were. After all, if it's anti-American then it MUST be good art, don't have to think about it, don't ya know.

25 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:04:40pm

Check out just how blue MIT is.
DEEP BLUE CAMPUSES

26 Gagdad Bob  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:05:03pm

I like how this man's art explores the complex, paradoxical space where vapid portentiousness finds its metagendered "other" in the unbounded vacuity of alternative nihilism.

27 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:05:45pm

What Can I say but


Liberals ARE Traitors

28 huckfunn  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:05:56pm

At the bottom of the page, there is this comments:

“Flags promote the common misconception that US citizens have the right to free speech.”

Huh?! If that twit desecrated Zarakawi's flag they'd saw-off his punkin' head with a dull bowie knife.

29 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:04pm

Hank Hill said it best, "that boy ain't right". Another public display of cranial-anal-inversion. That's not Art, it is a tantrum. Art is uplifting, and thought provoking, not treasonous and repellant.

30 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:11pm

#13 reaganite, still goethe girl is correct too. They don't deserve.

31 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:34pm

rabidfox-
At least Warhol picked up a brush.

32 BrunoMitchell  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:47pm

Interesting "art" project, but his opinion which was in bold is quite offensive. Honestly, I'm not offended by what he did, since the intent wasn't to express an opinion but elicit one. It certainly does stop you in your tracks and take a moment to process the visual. (Quick, save me -- I think I may be drifting to the left.)

33 JohnConnor  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:49pm

A flag of surrender seems more appropriate for this poseur.

He deserves to DYE!

White or yellow?

34 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:06:55pm
In case you missed the punch line, it’s “Flags are a one-way message of hatred.” And, in case you didn’t know, “Flags promote the common misconception that US citizens have the right to free speech.”


An amazingly confused bong-boy...

35 neversurrender  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:07:12pm

#26 Gagdad Bob

LOL!
The "artist" will probably take that as a compliment.

36 hepcat  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:07:15pm

This "artist" needs to be flying a flag where the sun don't shine - and the colors ain't gonna be red, white and blue.

37 BrunoMitchell  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:07:39pm

Yeah, I think I'm losing it. It IS pretty f*cked.

38 maf  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:08:13pm

#8 huck

Because nobody complains. They are safe in

spewing their hate of America, at the same

time reaping all its benefits. They nothing

better to do with themselves.

39 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:08:26pm

March - June, 1996

Phoenix, AZ: 'Old Glory: The American Flag in Contemporary Art, an exhibit at the Phoenix Art Museum, featured the following art works:

the American flag stuffed in a toilet by Kate Millet; a headless crucifix with the American Flag in the background by Hans Burkhardt; an American Flag made out of human hair and skin by Andrew Krasnow; a man dressed in Ku Klux Klan garb holding a baby painted onto an American Flag by Ronnie Cutrone; an American Flag laid out on the floor in order for people to trample on it by Dread Scott; and an American Flag with a lighter on top with a description that reads, 'Now more fun than ever' by Erika Rothenberg. The exhibit sparked national controversy, including a demonstration by thousands demanding the exhibit's removal.

MORE: [Link: www.cfa-inc.org...]

40 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:08:41pm

What's even more pathetic about liberals - is that their entire shtick is way past old. Nothing they do or say is clever - it's just tired and lame.

This is what passes for reasoned debate & logic in the bubble dwelling world of the academic leftist.

41 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:09:16pm

May I be mean , I wishhhhhh I had this POS in my hands!

42 rcris5  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:10:15pm

What a fucking twerp prick. And MIT displays this as art? Ok, the ass-hole got my attention and I would like to find him, beat him silly and deport him from 30,000 feet, sans-chute, to his country of choice.

He may assume that I disagree with his disgusting premise.

43 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:10:32pm

I'd like to do some performance art on these displays.

44 zygazint  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:14pm

art imitating low life

45 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:39pm

Gagdad Bob

You know AcademSpeak far too well...

46 hornsofthedevil  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:50pm

Falling right in line with this exhibit is the newest Village Voice "newsrag" that has put together a photo collection of carnage from Iraq because, as their cover so eloquently states "WHY NOT?"
The real standout here is the photo of a marine killed in the line of action and lying in a pool of his own blood in a house in Fallujah.(it isn't in the online version).
According to the Voice, there is no political aim when these photos are published for sure. just listen to the wise words of the man behind the cameraman.

photographer David Leeson, whom I talked with on the phone, has similar passions.

He said: "I understand the criticisms about blood and gore. I don't seek that. When I approach a body on the ground after a battle, I'm determined to give dignity to that person's life and photograph him with respect.

oh, the dignity....

47 Luigi  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:52pm

From powerline today:

Staff at Yale University gave Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry $20 for every $1 they gave President Bush during the 2004 presidential campaign.

At Duke University, the ratio stood at $9 to $1. At Princeton University, a whopping $302 to $1 gap prevailed. Massachusetts Institute of Technology boasted a $43 to $1 Kerry-Bush disparity.

Basing its study, "Deep Blue Campuses," on Federal Election Commission records, the conservative Leadership Institute's Campus Leadership Program examined 25 of the nation's top universities. Every single one favored Kerry over Bush.

In fact, not a single employee of Dartmouth showed up in FEC records as having contributed to Bush.

48 rabidfox  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:54pm

Tankdeamon: Actually I was thinking about his "five-ninutes of fame" quote more than anything else. Not that I LIKE his work, but he was an artist who used the medium effectively and with great skill.

49 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:11:55pm

#30 Roger

still goethe girl is correct too. They don't deserve.

When I was 17, I used to ride around on my motorcycle with a bandana made from an American flag. Did you ever do anything stupid when you were a kid?

Who decides who "deserves" to live in a free society?

50 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:12:10pm

43 Geepers
I'd like to do some performance art on these displays.

Will you require a Koran to finished the performance?

51 RC neo-Jew  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:12:52pm

It would look so much better on a Palestinian flag.

Ooops, wrong one. Easy mistake to make.

Palestinian flag.

Or is it?

52 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:12:57pm
 #26

Gagdad Bob  5/18/2005 03:05PM PDT

I like how this man's art explores the complex, paradoxical space where vapid portentiousness finds its metagendered "other" in the unbounded vacuity of alternative nihilism.

Bubble Girl says you would be the perfect date!

53 Wetfun  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:13:03pm

They need to continue to explain themselvs in this way..........

54 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:13:26pm

When is Rove gonna declare a fatwa and general bloody jihad on the desecrators of our flag?

/crickets

55 Shane  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:13:53pm

These would be the same liberals who accused us of desecrating a sacred book. Apparently, liberals just can't understand. It's like the crosses in Urine. They believe they have some kind of higher knowledge about what is important to us that if we just understood, we would see the light. It's the same with the democrats whining after the election as well. We do know what their message is, we just disagree with it. From their actions and their statements, liberals simply believe in rule by their rules. They don't believe in democracy or even voting. They only go along with voting because they don't have the power to stop it. The filibuster currently going on falls right into this mind set. They want the power and right or wrong are meaningless.

56 Murqtaad  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:13:56pm

Execute the fucker.

Whats this dickheads address, I'll sign up for the job.

spit!

57 ErnieG  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:01pm

That tears it. MIT is never going to get another dime from me.

Course 10, Class of 1960

58 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:24pm

#43 Geepers, performance art? Isn't performance art the highest form of protected speech? IIRC there is nothing stopping you;-)

59 mollyshark  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:30pm

Say WHAT? This kid needs to get out of school and get a real job in the real world. His brain has obviously turned into mush.

60 our gal sal  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:51pm

#40 free speech

Just finished watching "The Weather Underground". What a bunch of pretentious, arrogant little wankers they were/are.

Here, the umpteenth verse is the same as the first.

How's that revolution coming along? Losers...

61 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:52pm
 #43

Geepers  5/18/2005 03:10PM PDT

I'd like to do some performance art on these displays.

And the "artiste" as well.

62 zygazint  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:14:58pm

#51 rc


lmao

63 carl p  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:16:04pm

ALthough one can argue that tis act of disgustingness is free speech, one must also acknowledge that a flag with "Bin Laden for President" was created by an enemy of this country and the law abiding citizens in it.

Since the filthy Muslims can riot over a flushed Koran, canwe burn a university down and randomly cut people's throats in protest over our feelings regarding our flag and country?

64 jehu  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:16:30pm

Would it be OK if I dyed this guy yellow then kicked his ass?

65 Murqtaad  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:16:56pm

carl p

yes we can! is it legal? no. but we can.

66 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:17:31pm

Shit on a stick stuck in the ground is better art than anything I've seen from lefty protestors.

67 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:17:38pm

#56 Murqtaad

Execute the fucker.

How very Jihadi of you...

68 CastorOil  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:17:46pm

Yeah,
The "artist" lacks talent and imagination, and so do most of the faculty. Performance art and political art have faded from public life together with Jane Fonda and her crowd, but the idiots in the "art" schools have nothing new to express. They're trying to be whatever the profs are encouraging them to be. Art schools (with the exception of the traditional ones - and very few are left where they still teach painting, sculpture, photography, etc.) are a repository of non-talented losers on high salaries producing more losers with no hope of a salary.
The only decent people in art schools are the art historians, maybe because they have a better perspective. The rest are stale like last week's French baguettes.

69 jehu  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:17:58pm

huckfinn

Why is it so "in-vogue" for American academia and press to hate Amercia. I just don't get it.

God has to store demons somewhere before He sends em to hell.

70 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:18:01pm

It all began in Illinois in February 1989 with a student work at the Art Institute of Chicago in which the artist had laid an American flag on the floor with an invitation to step on it.

The Supreme Court had already ruled at the time that using the flag to make a political statement is protected by free speech.

However, that does not mean that taxpayers do not have a right to object to any public funding which might be supporting the exhibition of any art which is offensive.

Private galleries can display it.

71 Anonymous Al  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:18:11pm

Flushing pages of the Koran is art.

If the toilet is made out of transparent fibers, and is the shit, piss and Koran pages are caught in a small transparent holding tank built underneath the mechanism. it is high art.

If menstrual blood is also flushed, it is sheer genius. :-D

72 carl p  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:18:18pm

#65

So what if it is illegal. Won't the ACLU protect my rights as an "offended" person?

73 zombie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:18:38pm

Says the artist:

My goal was to attract strong initial attention

Let me run that through the Babelfish "Postmodern --> Actual Thoughts" translator:

Look at me! Look at me! Lookit! Lookit! Mommy, look, I'm doing a backflip! Mommy, lookit! Look! Look at me!

Their infantility knows no bounds.

74 Murqtaad  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:18:59pm

#67 reaganite

thank you!

75 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:19:05pm

#63 carl p

Since the filthy Muslims can riot over a flushed Koran, canwe burn a university down and randomly cut people's throats in protest over our feelings regarding our flag and country?

If you want to destroy what makes this a great nation, go right ahead.

76 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:19:36pm

#49 reaganite, I'm talking about the 'Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided...' bit.

And understand the meaning of 'deserve'. Has nothing to do with changing anyones actual status. It is a statement about people living in freedom even though they dispise freedom.

77 tigger2005  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:19:43pm

# 28. He's right, it's a misconception. I'm sure the black helicopters will swoop down any minute now and take him off to the re-education camp. Work Macht Frei!

78 carl p  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:19:52pm

If it is illegal to burn down the university, can I at least kick the artist's ass and shoot his car full of bullets?

79 Murqtaad  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:19:55pm

carl p

ya could play the victim card... it may werk

80 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:20:36pm
... to use ‘sacred cloth’ as a medium for other messages...

Hmm, I know a certain "Holy" book the "artist" probably won't dare to use as a medium for other messages.

...pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Oh, that's easy. I didn't even need to pause and query.

81 Gagdad Bob  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:21:09pm

The artist's naively infantile self-apsorption achieves an un-ironic resonance with the radiant baby who proudly presents the content of his "soiled" diaper before the Great Mother archetype, who absorbs the "filth" and converts it to "love" and "artistic affirmation" at the wondrous fecal statement his little body has produced.

82 carl p  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:21:12pm

#75 reaganite

I sure hope you know I was only being offensively sarcastic...

83 Murqtaad  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:21:24pm

reaganite,
what MADE this nation great is now fucking it up. this POS should not be able to do this. give him a choice, leave the US, or leave the planet. c ya!

84 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:22:11pm

hornsofthedevil @ 46

This makes me cry, thinking of this soldier...
This photographer, like the "atriste" is very disturbing. The serial killers who take photos of their victims could be said to strive to give them "dignity." The same can be said of Leeson. This soldier was a "victim" of Leeson. A vampire with a camera.

photographer David Leeson, whom I talked with on the phone, has similar passions.

He said: "I understand the criticisms about blood and gore. I don't seek that. When I approach a body on the ground after a battle, I'm determined to give dignity to that person's life and photograph him with respect.

85 Scipio  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:23:07pm

Ah, you seek meaning. Then listen to the music, not the song.

86 Gagdad Bob  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:23:26pm

Another redundant work of art made possible by the Massachusetts Institute of Tautology.

87 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:23:47pm

Back in '68 the North koreanimals had an exibit at Ohio State U. my mum and dad took all us kids there to protest, a friend of ours lee hayes was the last minute replacement radio man, we went in, and there was a ship in a show case and my dad asked if it was the USS Peublo (sic), the commie gave us a dirty liik and I, being a snooty little sh1t, spit on the case.

my point being any LGF'r in the area go and spit on the abomination, it is no longer a synbol of this country, it's commie propaganda.

88 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:24:34pm

#76 Roger

It is a statement about people living in freedom even though they dispise freedom.

I don't think it's that. I think they are to blinded by what academia "teaches" them to understand that only in America do they have that right.

This "person" is a POS,but I will always defend their right to be one.

I swore to that almost 24 years ago and have reaffirmed it many times since.

89 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:24:41pm

#13 reaganite

You're a much better person than I am. I am so angry about this. My husband was in the military, and both parents served in WW II. They (like you) served so dreck like this can produce their mocking "art".

I'd like a little justice, is all.

90 mardukhai  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:24:50pm

How about "art" consisting of blowups of the "artist's" face -- overprinted with:

LYING ASSHOLE

and

TERRORIST BROWNNOSER

We'll see how the left likes that one!

91 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:25:30pm

Roger (#58),

Isn't performance art the highest form of protected speech?

I'm so sick and tired of wussy jackasses who hide their political speech behind the veil of "art".

92 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:25:41pm

Hey, I've got an idea for a work of art.

I say we video tape a copy of the Koran swirling around in a toilet bowl and display it on TV screens in the student center at MIT, " forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed".

93 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:25:41pm

81- gagdad bob
I didn't need that visual, I was planning dinner. YUKK.(funny though)

94 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:25:58pm

OT

The link I gave earlier is no longer working, UPI is like that.

Here it is again:

Newsweek lied 42 years ago also. And it changed the course of history.

95 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:25:59pm

#82 carl p

I sure hope you know I was only being offensively sarcastic...

No, i didn't realize, sorry.

96 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:26:24pm

MIT tuition is expensive.
I guess privileged children never appreciate what they are given. Choice an opportunity is taken for granted.

97 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:26:42pm

Sadly, most of these will not make a living from performance art and will become the art teachers for the next generations.

Or they will be ranting in DU and KOS about their oppressed, victimized lives and their brilliant talent which goes unadmired.

Performance art really has only "exhibit" potential and most are not going to become Christos.

98 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:26:43pm

Israel threatens PA it will resume Gaza incursions

Let's go already!

Israel threatened the Palestinian Authority on Wednesday night that it plans to resume its offensive operations in Gaza if the PA does not move immediately to halt the Hamas mortar fire on Gush Katif.

Hamas launched 26 mortars and a number of anti-tank rockets at the settlements and army outposts in Gush Katif on Wednesday. One Israeli was lightly wounded, a Hamas man was killed by an accidental explosion of a bomb he was preparing, and another activist in the organization was seriously wounded in an Israel Air Force missile strike and later died in a Gaza hospital.

Israel was crawling with police and IDF tonight. I even saw what I think was a sapper -- a huge production.

99 Cornholio  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:27:18pm

FBI Says Grenade Tossed Near Bush Was Live

Of course the AP reporter bends over backwards to blame everyone except for Islamic terrorists:

The small nation has a large cast of potential culprits, including former government elites angry at Saakashvili's anti-corruption crackdown, supporters of two separatist regions aligned with Moscow, terrorists from the Pankisi Gorge and Russian saboteurs.

The words "muslim" and "Islam" do not appear in the AP article.

100 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:27:35pm

What do you expect from people that supported the notion of, and in one example of an artist's 'work' of the Virgin Mary in elephant dung, as art and freedom of artistic expression.

Our universities are polluted with leftists that brainwash our youth with this crap. They teach that America is wrong no matter what, and to hate our country for anyting and everything she does but they wrap it up in a veneer of 'patriotism' of a different definition. Disgusting and disheartening

Zombie, Iron Fist, and others have said this many times and I find myself agreeing with them more and more, that there is a civil war a-brewing in this country, and it's going to be anything but civil.

101 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:27:35pm

*Leftists can piss on the Virgin Mary.
*Muslims can slaughter Christians.
*Leftists can hurdle dung on images of Christ.
*Leftists can whine/piss/moan/scribble their imaginary grievances/bullshit victimization onto the symbol that protects them and keeps them free.

But how dare we question their patriotism.
How dare we question them.

These groups deserve each other.

102 rickmoss  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:27:40pm

Interestingly enough, this self-righteous and inane display come from MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)a, previously, prestigious SCIENTIFIC institution.

Engineering and science students from MIT are expected to deal in facts and hard, demostrable science. It is clear they no longer do.

Things like this go a long way towards explaining why there is so much vocal support from some in the so-called scientific community for politically motivated statements on global warming.

When our future scientists ("our" meaning the world's, since MIT has a huge proportion of foreign students who come to the "Great Satan's" finest schools) are taught to treat ideology and political rhetoric to be equal to evidence and experiment, it spells the death of the Scientifc Method, the greatest philisophical advancement of any age.

103 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:28:10pm

#83 Murqtaad

what MADE this nation great is now fucking it up.

WTF are you talking about?

give him a choice, leave the US, or leave the planet. c ya!

So our constitutional rights aren't for every citizen?

104 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:28:12pm

Famous anti-Semitic forgery removed from PA website

The New York-based Anti-Defamation League (ADL) wrote to the Palestinian Authority, protesting the presentation of the document and demanding its removal, the group said in a statement, calling it "the classic in racist and paranoid literature" and a "hoax which continues to poison and frighten minds."

By Wednesday afternoon, the link and the document were no longer on the site. No explanation was given and Palestinian officials were not available for comment about the change.

Score one.

105 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:28:24pm

#60

How's that revolution coming along? Losers...

Exactly.

106 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:28:28pm

Time for MIT Alumni Alerts... Man, this is getting old. But it worked on Churchill. Oh.. and someone could prank this guy... pranking is an established form of retaliation.

107 Gagdad Bob  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:29:00pm

Remember Giulini's Law of Art:

"If I can do it, it isn't art."

108 metal man  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:29:49pm

This just makes me *SPITING* mad. I'll never be able to vent like a [bigoted word] so this year when replacing my flag, I will get the next size up and add a second night light. So pricks like this won't miss it as they drive down my street.

109 Old Crow  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:30:05pm

This 'art' is the vomit that's left on the floor after shame eats too much stupid.

It reminds of a similar deep-thought senior art project at a supposedly prestigious art college's graduation week. It was a t-shirt bearing the familiar Bush-as-chimp photoshop image, with the witty caption "F#ck you, you monkey motherf#cker!".

Wow. That's the kind of thing that a parent can look at and say "The pride I feel is worth every penny of my son's $100,000 education."

110 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:31:03pm

#89 farng!

I am so angry about this

So am I, I just can't sit here and watch while others "decide" he doesn't have the same rights as any other American.

This guy is shit, but he has that right.

111 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:31:24pm
112 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:31:46pm

#41 'Nam Grunt

May I be mean , I wishhhhhh I had this POS in my hands!

'Nam, I'll hold em while you pummel him, then you can return the favor for me.

#28 Hi ya 'hunk funn' long time no see. How ya been? [waves across the internet]

113 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:31:56pm

SarahD @ 94

Wow... terrific link... just terrific, and incredible....

114 Walter E. Wallis  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:32:10pm

Just don't use tax money to pay for the display.

115 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:32:31pm

I would almost bet the farm that this "artist" is a DU and or KOS user.

In other words a waste of sperm.

116 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:32:55pm

SkippyM

Hi SKip...

I am filling in for Bubble Girl today!

117 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:33:18pm

reaganite, if #92 Ringo the Gringo went ahead with his art, how long do you think it would be till the feds shut him down?

118 JohnConnor  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:33:24pm

Every time some 'artist' trashes patriotic or religious symbols in this way, we should email the offender and DARE him/her to do the same with the Koran or an image of MoHAMed.

Some of them might actually have the guts to take up the challenge.

Maybe.

119 Van Impe  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:33:32pm

I often wonder what will it take for the Left to wake up.

I'm not asking that the Left agree with me or for them to discard their values. In a democracy a wide range of views is to be expected. What I do expect is some maturity and intelligence. Instead those on the Left seem always immature and unintelligent.

Evidently 3000 deaths on September 11, 2001 was not enough to wake the Left from its collective stupor. Will it take 300,000 or 3 millions deaths or more (I know by now that 30,000 dead won't cut it)?

120 Ojoe  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:34:04pm

I'm an Architect. I know what real art is in the real world. This s**t is not art. And the person who runs the gallery is an idiot. All this junk deserves to be ignored, and so that's all I am going to say on this thread.

121 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:34:28pm

#100 skippyMoment

that there is a civil war a-brewing in this country, and it's going to be anything but civil.

I think the first salvo was the '04 Presidential election. The question was posed: Is America fundamentally evil or good on this day?
The good guys won.

122 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:34:46pm

#116 Amalie

Hi back at ya... got get back to work now...

{bubbles}

Please fill in for me too, 'kay. ;-)

123 reelcobra  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:35:16pm

Speaking of out of control artists, look at this symbol of Oliver Stones lack of stones.

124 Grandma  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:35:25pm

The following link would be my definition of "art" and not the junk we see at MIT. Sorry but I could find no date on the article.

Italian Art

125 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:35:51pm

Liberals are traitors. They're determined to destroy America.

126 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:36:08pm

#46 hornsofthedevil

That photographer reminds me of the hit man played by Jude Law in the film Road to Perdition. After shooting his victim, Law's character photographed him at the moment of death.

Leeson seems to have similar moral fiber, without the nerve to actually kill. He just hangs around, waiting for someone to get shot.

127 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:36:28pm

#110 reaganite

You're right, of course.

G-d bless you and all our military for defending us.

128 quark2  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:36:48pm

It wouldn't do for me to know who this creep is, and for him to make the mistake of mebbe walking into a piece of schedule 80 pipe I just happen to be holding.

129 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:37:02pm

Hey zulubaby, Is it after midnight there?

130 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:37:25pm

Hey Grandma, I like your taste in art.

131 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:37:36pm

#121 Ann

I think the cultural war is going to meld with the political war, and we're going to see one hell of a monster emerge.

The battle field is set, and we'd best all prepare for the battle of ideas, the battle for the hearts and minds of our youth and the future of our country, and for the battle for our freedoms.

I pray it doesn't come to outward violence, but fear that it will. God help us all.

132 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:38:09pm

#117 Roger

if #92 Ringo the Gringo went ahead with his art, how long do you think it would be till the feds shut him down?

As a private citizen, they can't. This is America.

133 Gagdad Bob  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:38:53pm

The artist states that "I would like my work to serve as both a provocative emetic and an ambiguous ideological "meal," so that, if you actually 'digest' its subversive, 'stomach-turning' message, you will never cease throwing up."

134 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:39:12pm

Geepers, yes it is :-)

135 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:39:15pm

#123 reelcobra

Could you please knock it off?

136 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:40:02pm

I am with Reaganite on this one.

I dislike it but the artist has the freedom to make whatever statement he wants to make.

I do however, under the same constitutional protections, think citizens are entitled to express, if they wish, any public monies, support these exhibits.

Even private colleges like MIT get federal monies, especially in the form of grants such as from the National Endowment of Arts.

137 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:40:15pm

Great Prank Bumper Stickers to slap on this guy's car

HOW'S MY DRIVING
DIAL 1-800-EAT-S#$T

I'M ONLY DRIVING LIKE THIS
TO PISS YOU OFF

138 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:41:42pm

#127 farng!
I took an oath:

I, ___________________________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Nowhere did it say "do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, unless I think they are a POS".

I detest these kind of people.

139 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:42:07pm

Then let me be the first:

        Happy Birthday zulubaby !

140 foreign devil  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:03pm

I'm going to have to log off. If I read any more inflammatory nonsense I'll simply BLOW UP REAL GOOD! I'm fed up with these people!

141 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:28pm

118 JohnConner
I hope the would, that way they can earn a 'Darwin Award'.

142 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:31pm

#137 Amalie

"Don't laugh; it's paid for (Thanks Dad)"

"If you can read this, pause and query whether or not you truly understand and agree or disagree with what is being expressed"

143 Phil.  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:40pm
My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.


"Bin Laden for President"? Well let's see, I just pondered that one and I keep coming to the same conclusion: f*ck you traitorous mass murderer worshipping piece of sh*t.

144 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:41pm

Anyone know his cell phone number, if so insert and place this ad:


GWM living with mommy looking for daddy. Prefer big black men, long walks on the beach, and being spanked. Call me anytime (cell phone # ).

145 massachusetts republican  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:43:46pm

ARRRGGHHH! MY HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE!

146 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:44:18pm

#131 skippyMoment

I pray it doesn't come to outward violence, but fear that it will.

The liberals calmed down in the '70's. After disco came out...-:)

Seriously, the MSM is perpetuating the great divide in America right now. The illogical loonies are a small group, imho. Which is why they have to be loud.

We'll be okay.

147 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:44:50pm

#138 reaganite

As i said, you're a better person that I am.

148 indolene  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:45:22pm
These were the confluence of two separate plans - one to dye flags black, in order to convey a very different and unfamiliar visual impression of these well-known icons, and the other to use ‘sacred cloth’ as a medium for other messages, in order to attract more attention. Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided an almost limitless supply of these banners on every street corner, and subsequent manipulation of these events to commit further mass murder for political gain provided a moral imperative to protest. Unfortunately, many variants of the flags did not receive the dye well; I therefore saved the well-dyed ones for their naked visual impact, and applied lettering to the fainter ones. I made several slogans, wearing and carrying them in protests in New York and Boston. My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.


Translation:

"I am an asshat"

149 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:45:34pm

Rights and responsibilities people, this person has a right to be the lowest form of decaying sphincter he can but we have a responsibility to recognize this is just a fool seeking attention; the faster you move on the better.

When you make some loathesome churl a cause celebre, you are doing them the greatest favor, so don't do it.

Don't post any more on this topic, just walk away. The best thing we can do is make it so nothing more is said. They have proven who they are, this "artist" may one day apply for a government grant or run for office- with the exception of Berkely and two other radical university towns, this bozo is going nowhere.

150 foreign devil  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:46:04pm

Happy birthday, Zulubaby! Many more of them! :)

151 moonsbreath  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:46:04pm
My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Yeah, well I'm an art critic and your visual effect SUCKS.

Have a nice day.

152 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:46:24pm

#147 farng!

As i said, you're a better person that I am.

I'd still like to kick the shit out of this POS.

153 code red 21  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:46:25pm

Gee I wonder if the little POS will apply for national endowment for the arts (our tax dollars at work) funding to carry on with his art projects after he flunks outta school because he spent too much time dissing our flag?

154 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:46:45pm

Zulubaby

On the day you were born,
the angels got together
and decided to make a dream come true...


Happy Birthday....

Amalie/ filling in for Bubble Girl

155 Frank_Mtl  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:47:06pm

Funny how the "shock" factor is such an integral part of what is deemed "art" now. One wonders what has become of aesthetics.

156 Captain Hate  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:47:16pm

MIT?!?!? These asshats must be Krugman's students. Chances are they don't know jack-squat about economics.

157 yochanan  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:47:41pm

I am an artist this artist is very proud to be pro american. I know being a conserative artist makes me a minority in the artist community any other lizzard artists out there i would like to contact me to think of forming a pro american art group.

158 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:48:01pm

farng and reaganite, your both good people. It's the emotions from this disgusting display that have you going.

159 reelcobra  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:48:06pm

Here's some Osama art.

But American.

160 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:48:16pm

reaganite & Roger,


if #92 Ringo the Gringo went ahead with his art, how long do you think it would be till the feds shut him down?

The real question is: How long until I was hunted down and killed like Theo Van Gogh.

161 Darwin Akbar  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:48:50pm

Doesn't Chomsky teach at MIT?

162 ErnieG  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:49:05pm

I'm with Reaganite, and I swore the same oath in 1960. They just ain't gonna do this with my money.

163 Cartman  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:49:53pm

#69 Jehu

God has to store demons somewhere before He sends em to hell.

Now that is an explanation for this bullshit that I can accept. Bravo.

164 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:49:59pm

My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Right, after he did all this philosophical, esoteric pondering he came up with the "brillant" Osama for President.

Just what does he think is "slightly ambiguous" about that?

And to pause and query whether they TRULY understood what was being expressed?

Yeah, that takes some real deep thinking to figure out if one would want Osama for president.

165 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:50:28pm

#157 yochanan

I am an artist this artist is very proud to be pro american.

My son is an artist. In his classes he's the lone conservative. He posts here every so often as Right Wing Animator. He is very good and never would consider this "art".

166 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:50:31pm

#152 reaganite

But you won't, because you're a better person than the "artist", too.

Gotta serve dinner, back later, folks.

167 huckfunn  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:50:33pm

Now here's some performance art:

Reading Material in Kitty's Library

Saw this on another thread the other night.

168 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:50:55pm

43 Geepers 5/18/2005 03:10PM PDT
I'd like to do some performance art on these displays.

169 Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:51:02pm

Desecrating artifacts whether they're flags or crosses, is not art. It's simply desecrating something for a political statement or attention. "Art is for art's sake." It is to uplift, to show beauty, to show skill and to show mastery of the form or medium.
The first mistake these people and universities make is when they call this shit, art. I can imagine how "little" students are getting out of these "art" classes.
As to Andy Warhol, I thought it was pathetic the fame he got for painting things like soup cans. That to me wasn't art. However, when you saw some of the other things he did, the things that didn't hang in the "hip" galleries of the day, it was obvious that he was a great artist.

170 hm  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:51:11pm

#135 farng!

Alkmyst and a few others have told reelcobra about the consensus opinion on self-promotion but sadly, I don't think he's gotten it.

Btw, hello :-)

171 lancekates  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:51:54pm

since when did MIT (A TECH college) get an art department?

maybe this is why they shouldn't have one.

172 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:52:46pm

#158 no2liberals

It's the emotions from this disgusting display that have you going.

I've been called "baby killer" before by the L³. I calmly reply to those types "only in America could you talk to me that way", as I walk away.

173 theheat  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:53:18pm

#132 reaganite

From Condi Rice, 05-14-05:

As unrest gathered pace, Dr Rice issued an appeal: “I want to speak directly to Muslims in America and throughout the world. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is abhorrent to us all.

Speak for yourself, Condi, 'cuz you don't speak for me. I've used "the book" for bird droppings for over a year. I do disrespect it. It offends me. I don't have to agree and worship the thing any more than I have to tolerate bible-thumping door-to-door Jeezus salesmen.

174 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:53:46pm

#160 Ringo the Gringo

The real question is: How long until I was hunted down and killed like Theo Van Gogh.

You can stay at my house, we have lots of guns...

175 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:53:51pm

#27
Unfortunatly there is no such thing as a traitor anymore. When was the last person charged with treason ~60 years ago?

176 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:54:30pm

When it comes to Patriotism this Country hasn't changed since the Vietnam War, in fact it has gotten worse. I laugh though because it's the kids of those that hated the Military then, and they are the same as their parents.....AFRAID TO SERVE!

177 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:54:31pm

#162 ErnieG

They just ain't gonna do this with my money.

Nor mine!

178 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:54:32pm

PDM is a proud father again..a girl! :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

179 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:55:29pm

#160 Ringo the Gringo, very true. But I also believe the same PCness from DC that doesn't tell the truth about Palestinian_Gang_Plots_to_Kill_Ft._Worth_Cop_Feder al_Agent
would find a national security reason to shut down any art designed to foment the jihadis into action.

180 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:55:46pm

Geepers, you made that especially for me!? You're too cute ;-) Thank you.

foreign devil, Bubble Girl, thanks to you too :-)

181 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:55:51pm

reaganite,

You can stay at my house, we have lots of guns..

...but can you cook?

182 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:56:13pm

reaganite

My husband just read my comments and thinks I sounded sarcastic when I said you're a better person.

I'm not being sarcastic: I have a lot of respect for you and all our former and active military.

183 Mcgyver  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:56:46pm

Do I get this right? This little shiite took down other peoples flags and the desecrated them?

May I riot and kill people now?

Mcgyver, out

184 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:57:05pm
Liberals ARE Traitors

I think I have read this on LGF before...once or twice.

Or I could be imagining things...

185 wrathofg-d  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:57:06pm

ITS CRAP LIKE THIS (which I really don't think is all that of a big deal, despite its window to the moonbat mind) THAT MAKES ME WISH THEY GOT WHAT THEY ASK FOR:

(1) I agree, let's vote Bin Laden in as President. I guess it will take 2 days before they realize what idiots they are.

(2) Let's impeach Bush...We can have Cheney for the next 10 years.

186 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:57:18pm

I'm not quite sure, as I don't have time to read all the way through it....but it looks like the 'Beware of Flags' poster was sarcasm due to MIT's housing policy.

See what you think.

The specific situation that led the Institute to a review of the housing policy was the flying of a flag outside a dorm window that resulted in a student filing a complaint raising concerns of the flying of this flag and respect issues. The complainant maintained the flag represented an unwelcoming environment. The student who hung the flag claimed he had a right of freedom of speech or expression.
187 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:57:39pm

#173 theheat
You're confusing government policy versus the rights of our citizens.

188 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:57:48pm

reaganite

IF during WWII some 'artist' had done something like this including 'Hitler for Pres.' do you think there would be any doubt that the 'artist' had committed treason/sedition thereby putting themselves beyond the protection of right afforded (sic) by the Constitution?

Just asking, real friendly like pard.

189 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:58:38pm

Patriotism is a dirt word to the left.

Snotty sarcasm
They are too intellectual nuanced to prescribe to such a simplistic concept as patriotism. Conservatives on the other hand, are just not educated enough and are stupid to understand these things
/Snotty sarcasm

190 ratherdashing  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:58:39pm

blue campuses

proof positive

191 farng!  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:05pm

#170 hm

Back atcha!

192 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:11pm

When did writing "I Hate America" on a US flag become art?

What a joke.

Who approved this?

193 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:16pm

#181 Ringo the Gringo

...but can you cook?

Ask Ann!

#182 farng!

I'm not being sarcastic: I have a lot of respect for you and all our former and active military.

I never took it any other way, no worries.

194 jlfintx  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:19pm

I am about to go balistic with all this nonsense. I can't take much more of this-warning----------warning--------warning.

195 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:21pm

This isn't even creative.

He painted some words on flags.

When an artist has to have a long and lofty explanation as to what his art means and what his intent was --it pretty much suggests that without his "explanation" it lacks any merit as art on it's own.

196 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:26pm

#181 Ringo the Gringo

...but can you cook?

Yes! I will vouch for that!

197 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 1:59:26pm

Happy B'Day ZB, and may you have many more darlin'! ;-)

198 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:01:02pm
That tears it. MIT is never going to get another dime from me.

I tell Berkeley the same thing every time they call.

199 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:01:05pm

#185 wrathofg-d, they want a package deal impeachment all the way to Nancy Pelosi.

200 hm  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:02:37pm

#173 theheat

Right on heat. I heard that too and it disgusted me just as much.

Whats with this fucking exaggerated sense of deferrence. I mean it would have been bad enough if she'd been saying all these things without the word "holy" attached.

This is no different from all these MSM idiots who can't say Najaf or Mecca or whateverTF without the magic add on word.

201 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:03:06pm

#172-reaganite
Yeah, heard that BS when I came back from the 'Great Asian Vacation' 30 yrs ago. Didn't like it, and it hurt in a way like nothing else before or since. I just gave them the glare, knowing that they were incapable of understanding what we were really about, and that I could hand them their 'nads if they pushed it. They never seemed to care too much for my bud's that didn't make it back.

202 LSD  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:03:25pm

D O U C E !

203 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:03:40pm

#188 BenZacharia

IF during WWII some 'artist' had done something like this including 'Hitler for Pres.' do you think there would be any doubt that the 'artist' had committed treason/sedition thereby putting themselves beyond the protection of right afforded (sic) by the Constitution?

In WWII we had segregation and internment camps.

We as Americans progress, some of us don't (think L³).

204 Owl  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:03:41pm
commit further mass murder for political gain


OK, so what about the mass murder of the 3000 people in the towers and at the Pentagon and in The Field? I guess to this weak-minded tool whatever motive there was in that, it was ok, cause it was against the USA.


Yeah, it's a free country, but there's no place for TRAITORS in it. It's free as long as you aren't THE ENEMY.

Man, I am telling everyone I know that the DEMOCRATIC LEFTIST SIDE OF AMERICA ARE ALL TRAITORS! ( and you can bet I'm telling them why thanks to sites like lgf and you good folks)

This kind of pathetic crap makes me sick. Move to Iran if you hate America so much you traitor. ( Merle in background singing "fightin side of me"......Grrrrrr...MOONBAT. )

205 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:04:16pm

I remember hearing about Theo Van Gogh's death and wondering "Who the hell would do that over a stupid movie?"

ridicule and scorn are appropriate, using whatever moral, philosophical and economic leverage we can to have the filthy display removed is appropriate, but calling for violence? Who the hell would want to do that over a stupid display?

206 Lazarus  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:05:42pm

Joseph Barillari

My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Congrats, Joe, you're well on your way to sounding just like your faculty peer, Uncle Choms. A-double-plus-good for you!

207 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:06:28pm

#201 no2liberals

They never seemed to care too much for my bud's that didn't make it back.

We care, and always will.

Compared to your era, I had it easy.

I salute you and yours.

208 Luigi  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:07:02pm

Is it possible that the problem with MIT and some other campuses, like the California system, is that there is no longer a center of mid-American youth with mid-American sensibility like there used to be because the center is now largely watered down by foreign students who really don't care about anything as long as you don't block the door to the computer labs?

209 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:07:03pm

186 Sarah D.

I didn't get all the way through that either but there may be a correlation.

I didn't get the impression that the complaint was filed against an American flag. Just the way it was worded as "the particular flag."

The housing rules forbade ANYTHING from being hung out of the windows which I don't think violates anyone's free speech.

210 Owl  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:07:39pm

We need a Lizardoid Nation Flag! :)

211 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:08:00pm

Geepers,

When did writing "I Hate America" on a US flag become art?

It didn't.

212 hm  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:08:11pm

#184 Bob's Kid

That phrase is to certain trolls what garlic is to vampires.

213 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:08:29pm

#186 Sarah D.

resulted in a student filing a complaint raising concerns of the flying of this flag and respect issues. The complainant maintained the flag represented an unwelcoming environment. The student who hung the flag claimed he had a right of freedom of speech or expression.


Oh, why can't they say what they mean?!
So, an American flag was hung out of a dorm, and it offended some POS?
Or was it a fraternity flag that offended someone?

214 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:08:34pm
 #201

no2liberals  5/18/2005 04:03PM PDT
#172-reaganite
Yeah, heard that BS when I came back from the 'Great Asian Vacation' 30 yrs ago. Didn't like it, and it hurt in a way like nothing else before or since. I just gave them the glare, knowing that they were incapable of understanding what we were really about, and that I could hand them their 'nads if they pushed it. They never seemed to care too much for my bud's that didn't make it back.

I care. If I had a time machine I would go back to the airports and egg those assholes and get right in their faces and spit on them... In fact, I live in an area of old hippies... I may go have a talk with them about whether they were involved. It is never too late to give a swift kick in the ass... Man, will they be surprised, I will ambush them at the coffee shop.

215 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:08:56pm

zulubaby, I cut and pasted it just for you. ;-)

Anyone with 135 hat tips deserves no less.

216 Lazarus  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:09:02pm

#3 Kevin Shook

But its ART!

Art: a selective recreation of reality according to the artist's value system. -- Ayn Rand.

I think it's clear what Joseph values.

217 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:09:10pm

#210 Owl,

We are going to have one at Texas LGF meetup, flying high! lol

218 Promethea  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:09:25pm

#55 Shane . . .

They believe they have some kind of higher knowledge about what is important to us that if we just understood, we would see the light. It's the same with the democrats whining after the election as well. We do know what their message is, we just disagree with it. From their actions and their statements, liberals simply believe in rule by their rules.

So true. Perpetual adolescents who are used to having things their way and have no ability to see beyond their own tiny concerns.

219 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:10:02pm

Thanks 'Nam ;-)

220 jwm  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:10:42pm

Well gee- I can't paint. I can't draw. I can't carve. I can't write. I can't sing. I can't dance. I can't play an instrument. I can't act. I can't take a decent photograph. I can't come up with an original idea to save my ass. Let's see... I can deface things that mean something to decent people. SO DAMMIT I AM AN ARTIST.

What a loathsome piece of shit.
JWM

221 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:10:52pm

#210 Owl, we got one. The flag Joseph Barillari does his art with before it gets into his hands.

222 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:04pm

A new baby born on Zulubaby's BD (sorta). Nice gift.

Happy BD, ZB. Hope it is the best and all the rest of many are even better.

223 keepandbear  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:47pm

I don't like this but he has the right

since he has shocked me and made me think about things so hard he is going to have to do a lot more next time.

I think he should pour a gallon of gas over his head and then light it. I think that will get a strong initial reaction from people and attention from the visual effect of the burning body, but then to act as a challenge by having the screams of anguish be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

224 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:49pm

#219 zulubaby,

Danada, little missy. lol

225 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:53pm
226 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:58pm

Just for the point of comparison, not advocating a position:

What would happen if someone at MIT put up a Rainbow flag with the letter F*G prited on them.

Expulsion? Arrest? ...

227 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:11:58pm

Geepers, you make such beautiful things ... ;-)

228 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:12:00pm

Wait

Joseph Balliari is not the artist... he is merely the guy who is pointing it out to everyone on his blog.... he is a good guy!

229 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:13:04pm

A belated Happy Birthday to zulubaby. (And to Colt, as usual.)

reaganite, has your e-mail changed lately? I needs t'ask ya sumthin.

230 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:13:10pm
...but can you cook?

Someone ask if reaganite can drink.

I want to vouch for something :-)

231 quark2  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:13:19pm

The head honchos of islam who are wracking their underlings into frenzies, have discovered how to control the behaviour of the american public from a distance. Now it will become mandatory of threat of being censured, fired or penalized if you're caught saying anything improper about the koran or islam.
Anyone want to lay odds on this happening real quick?

232 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:14:04pm

#218 Promethea

Perpetual adolescents who are used to having things their way and have no ability to see beyond their own tiny concerns.


Sigh.
You are such a welcome source of reason and sanity, Promethea!

233 Promethea  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:14:15pm

#73 zombie . . .

Look at me! Look at me! Lookit! Lookit! Mommy, look, I'm doing a backflip! Mommy, lookit! Look! Look at me!

That sums it up quite well.

234 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:14:33pm

reaganite- thanks dude, and thank you and your bud's also. All the emotion here, and thinking of what so many truly good men have given. Starting to bum. See ya.

235 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:14:41pm

Bob's Kid (#222)

I went to check the time of PDM's post, and his little girl was born on the 18th, I'm on the 19th. But Baby PDM was born on the same day as my niece and she turned out great! :-)

236 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:14:42pm

reaganite
A famous 19th century statesmen once commented that the Constitution was not a suicide pact. The US screwed up when the outlawed dueling, although the framers had no problem with this civilizing custom.

"An armed society, is a polite society." RAH

237 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:16:16pm

OT - George Galloway was smoking Cuban Cigar at Capitol.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]



LONDON (AFP) - Maverick British politician George Galloway said he broke a US trade sanction by smoking a Cuban cigar in Washington where he clashed with senators over charges he received Iraqi oil kickbacks.

Galloway, who gave a spirited defence Tuesday before a US subcommittee investigating the UN oil-for-food scandal, accused US President George W. Bush and Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair of being the real villains.

"I did a bit of sanctions busting in Washington yesterday, I smoked a Havana cigar just like this one," the 50-year-old Scotsman told a London rally of his left-wing, anti-war, political party Respect.

"I smoked it inside the Capitol building and I even blew the smoke at the White House," he shouted above thunderous cheers and applause from hundreds of supporters. "And I think we blew them away, didn't you?"

Just makes you gush with admiration, doesn't it.

238 Owl  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:16:46pm

I'm thinking about puttin up two flags at my house....one will be a "don't tread on me" better known as the Gadsden flag. The other...the other.....Green with a bounching football.....or maybe the St. Andrews Cross ( Please do your research on that before you start calling me a racist pig, I am not, and that is not what it symbolizes, I don't care how many half-wit hate groups decided to use it - some groups used the Stars and Stripes too but you don't hear anyone saying were racist for flying that one, anyway, sorry OT I know).

My subdivision would probably go nuts if I did that, and I'm sure I'm in the company of alot of conservatives. speaking of symbols and such, can someone tell me what the LGF t-shirt looks like - I was trying to buy one, but the XXL are sold out. But I was just wondering what they are like? thanks.

gotta run for now, you guys keep up the good (verbal) fight. :)

239 'Nam Grunt  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:16:56pm

Off to the showers my kid has been working my butt off, painting his old house, but he just bought a new one, sooo proud of my kiddo, ciao and love each other, and don't forget, Support our Troops!

240 Owl  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:18:23pm

Hey, I was asking about actual in-person get-togethers and I'm sorry I have trouble keeping up with remembering what thread I was asking stuff on. :)
Any LGF'rs wanna hook up in the Atlanta area, just holler.

241 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:18:51pm

I had no idea Halliburton was having a shareholder meeting. I have HAL stock.


TV News had cool coverage of protestors ramming giant cow puppet painted with the word "Iraq" into mounted police.


Mounted police were not amused.

242 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:18:56pm

228 bubble-er- Amalie
You are right about that. So, Charles, have you kept the artist's name off the thread because you don't want to credit him for his "work", or did you, unlike Newsweek, see the possible consequences of releasing his name and keep it from us for his protection?

243 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:19:09pm

#229 Occasional Reader
Still the same e-mail.

244 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:19:30pm

Times have changed,
And we've often rewound the clock
Since the Puritans got a shock,
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today,
Any shock they should try to stem,
'Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them!

In olden days a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking,
But now God knows,
Anything goes!
Good authors too who once knew better words
Now only use four-letter words
Writing prose,
Anything goes!
If driving fast cars you like,
If low bars you like,
If old limbs you like,
If Mae West you like,
Or me undressed you like,
Why nobody will oppose.
When every night the set that's smart is
Intruding in nudist parties in studios,
Anything goes!

245 Phil.  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:19:36pm

Lock and load Lizards. Between the Left's new worshippping of George Galloway and now running Osama bin Laden's Presidential campaign, it could be any day now that we start seeing the first remnants of liberal splodeydopes.

246 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:19:45pm

Owl,
Go to the T-shirt ordering link and click on front and back.
I have one.

Happy Birthday zulubaby!
That is my sister's birthday.

247 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:20:45pm

#230 Geepers

Someone ask if reaganite can drink.

Can reaganite drink?

248 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:21:34pm

#234 no2liberals
Have a great night.

249 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:22:34pm

The Hat Tip Queen and the Link Goddess on the same thread!

We are truly blessed.

:-)

250 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:22:46pm

reaganite: E-mail is en route, through the ether, and all that.

I can testify that reaganite can drink. I do so solemly swear.

251 andthenblammo!  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:17pm

Then, before graduation:

My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Now, after graduation:

My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the audial effect of the lettered bill of fare, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing diners to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed. For example:
"With that, would you like fries?"
"Fries with that, would you like them?"
"You are liking fries with that?"
"Liking fries, you are; but with that?"
"Fries? With that? Would you like?"
"Like fries? With that?"

And of course, the

ur- phrase anodyne architypical,

"Would you like fries with that?"

Thus, do I express my Weltshmertz at the unending void of my...Ooops, break is over.

252 Owl  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:18pm

COOL. thanks. i'm an idiot.

Oh and happy bd Zulu.
and thank you to our soldiers. You are our hope.

I love you people, even the ones who call us "jezus thumpers" or whatever. I still love you.

I'm getting off work so I'm just in a good mood right now. Don't get used to it ya'll. ;) LOL

owl out
later all

253 big krackers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:26pm

Where do we go for the riots a killing? Is anyone car pooling?

254 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:44pm

#236 BenZacharia

The US screwed up when the outlawed dueling

LOL, you think a L³ would ever consent to a duel? You have to have honor first...

255 quark2  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:50pm

Happy Birthday zulubaby. :)

256 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:23:51pm

#245 Phil

I'm afraid it's coming. . .

257 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:24:06pm

Zulubaby, this is also my twin nephews' birthday... so you're in good company. Both are big, tough, aggressive 6 year olds, I'm picturing them in Ranger School in about 15 years.

'Nytol.

258 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:24:13pm

#242 tankdemon & Amalie

Oops! Sorry Joseph Barillari. Won't mistake you for the artistPOS again.

259 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:24:34pm

reaganite (#247),

LOL! That's the best laugh I've had alll day. Thanks.

260 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:25:00pm
261 WestPack  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:25:22pm

I suggest the slimeball that did this follow the advice of a number of posts and use the Quran or Saudi flag to make some similar tortured point. I promise you the publicity would be large, you might not be around long to enjoy it but your chances would be pretty good in this country which you revile so much so it's probably worth a try.

One other thing, I wouldn't try this s___ in Wyoming!

A Vietnam & Desert Storm Vet

262 VP45  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:25:54pm

#238 Owl

I love my LGF t-shirt!
They are really SOFT :)

263 Paul  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:26:19pm

Who cares? Seriously, who cares? After "Piss Christ" and "Elephant Dung Madonna" who cares about another no-talent artist being "bold and transgressive".

What are we supposed to do, riot? Burn down the art museum? Issue a fatwa? You know we won't do anything like that, so why give the artist the pleasure of our outrage?

Here's the money quote:

...to use the 'secred cloth' as a medium for other messages, in order to attract more attention.

Get it? This asshole isn't worth our attention

264 Cartman  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:26:36pm

I have an idea on how to deal with this asshat, or other’s of his ilk. Stage an elaborate ruse where the idiotarian is told he has been awarded an all-expenses-paid, endowed invitation to exhibit these ‘masterpieces’ at the Fonds National d'art Contemporain in Paris. The ‘exhibit’ of course must be shipped in advance of said ‘artiste’s’ arrival. Load the shit on a C-130 to Kabul for our troops to ‘preview’. Divert the little turd’s subsequent flight to Paris through Wiesbaden. Shuttle the little freak to Kabul for a ‘triumphant reception’. Can you express your Bin Laden For President creativity of sentiment now, you little fuckin’ freak? *SPIT*

265 Roger  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:26:53pm

So...it is going to be Usama bin Ladin and Hillary in the Democratic primaries?

266 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:27:15pm

#250 Occasional Reader
Check your mail!

267 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:29:05pm
I went to check the time of PDM's post, and his little girl was born on the 18th, I'm on the 19th

Hey, close enough for me!

Did you know they're gonna name her Bob's Kid?

(I figure if I keep saying that a) someone will believe it and b) PDM will actually name the poor girl Bob's Kid. Hope PDM's name is Bob, that's all I can say)

Happy Birthday anyway.

268 jlfintx  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:29:11pm

Reaganite, I am due for a drinking spell with all this madness. I need to drink an ocean.

269 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:29:56pm

#249 Geepers
Hey, now! I've probably had half a dozen hat tips my own self!

270 hm  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:30:06pm

#237 karmic_inquisitor

Re: Cuban cigars.

This from the self-appointed champion of the "common people". I've said it before and I'll say it again, this demagogue is Europe's grave digger in chief -- and if we don't watch out, i.e. by electing wimpy Senators, he'll dig a grave that's big enough for the entire western world.

271 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:31:43pm

#265

How did they put it in 1992?
Vote for one get the other one free
Or
Two for the price of one

anyway you get the point

272 Buckaroo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:31:56pm

# 241 Ed

"including seven who dressed in **business attire**"

Wow, the sacrifices those LLLs will make!
:-)

273 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:32:37pm

#259 Geepers

LOL! That's the best laugh I've had alll day. Thanks.

That was the Grolsch talking!

274 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:33:04pm

reaganite
LOL I've got the image from some movie in my head now of 2 guys in the ring and 1 is running around screaming like school girl (no offense meant to school girls).

However publicly challenging one of these traitors and having them back down would be highly satisfying.

275 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:33:33pm

Counting down till this clown gets his first fat NEA grant.

Three... two... one.

Don't spend it all in one place, Pablo!

276 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:33:47pm

When Missus Ned Mclean (God bless her)
Can get Russian Reds to "Yes" her,
Then I suppose
Anything goes!
When Rockefeller can still hoard enough
Money to let Max Gordon
Produce his shows,
Anything goes!
The world has gone mad today,
And good's bad today,
And black's white today,
And day's night today,
And that gent today
You gave a cent today
Once had several chateaux.
When folks who can still ride in jitneys
Find out Vanderbilts and Whitneys
Lack baby Clo'es,
Anything goes!

277 Paul  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:34:06pm

#251 andthenblammo!

LOL!

Liking fries, you are; but with that?

Yoda works at Mickey D's.

278 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:34:45pm

#268 jlfintx

I need to drink an ocean.

I've been on leave, I need sober time soon!

But really, don't let the moonbats get you down.

279 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:34:46pm

J.D. (#263),

Link Goddess, don't sell yourself short, you've had eight Hat Tips. :-)

280 AG in Houston  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:35:15pm

Nasty

281 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:35:53pm

#100 skippyMoment,

Dolly, any war in which I am a participant won't be even remotely civil. They will look fondly on the days when they could consider panties on their head as torture.

You know your torture session's gonna suck when dude starts by burning out your Left eye.

:-)

#245 Phil.,


2006 election cycle will see Leftist 'Splodeydopes. I've been predicting it for a year or so now. Some 18-19 year-old L³ kid (Freshman-Sophmore in college) breaks up with his girfriend, is all despondant and shit, and decides he can both show her how much he cares and be a hero to his buds.

The only question is where he gets the explosives, but that ain't exactly rocket science.

282 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:36:36pm

#274 BenZacharia

I've got the image from some movie in my head now of 2 guys in the ring and 1 is running around screaming like school girl

Don't forget the screaming "mommy, make the bad man go away!".

283 Lazarus  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:36:37pm

#228 Amalie

Joseph Balliari is not the artist... he is merely the guy who is pointing it out to everyone on his blog.... he is a good guy!

Oh, no! Sorry, Joe. I obviously did not read carefully enough. I won't bother to look up the scum's real name.

284 jlfintx  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:36:54pm

Okay before I commute, gonna see if I can kill my fifth thread.

Doesn't that make me an ace or something?

285 FriarsTale  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:37:04pm

#7
I am patiently waiting for it, but...

286 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:38:55pm

#265 Roger,

He'll call himself Ol'Sammy in the South :-) Scary thing is he might just win. The Hildabeast ain't real popular in these parts, even with people who would vote for Satan if he ran on the Demonrat ticket.

287 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:39:52pm

reaganite,

That was the Grolsch talking!

Perfect!

Occasional Reader,

So when it was time to go was he trying to bribe the bartender to fill a gallon jug for him there too? :-Þ

288 sonofsheldon  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:41:55pm

My sister had a boyfriend many years ago who referred to dopes like Joseph Barillari as "art-holes"

That, and the fact that he fixed my brakes for free, were the two good things about him.

289 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:42:08pm

If Sem Goldwyn can with great conviction
Instruct Anna Sten in diction,
Then Anna shows,
Anything goes!

When you hear that Lady Mendl standing up
Now turns a handspring landing up --
On her toes
Anything goes!

Just think of those shocks you've got
And those blues you've got
From those news you've got
And those pains you've got
(If any brains you've got)
From those little radios.
So Missus R., with all her trimmin's,
Can broadcast a bed from Simmons
'Cause Frankiln knows
Anything goes!

290 quark2  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:42:48pm

@260 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I believe that blogger post here at Lgf sometimes. :)

291 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:42:54pm

Iron Fist
Huhhah!

292 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:43:15pm

OT

Anybody else gettin' nasty popups when they browse to LGF?

293 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:43:15pm

OK...I'll stop now.

294 whiterasta  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:45:05pm

If that fuckwit would like to swap places with me, up here in West Froggistan, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Pssst, hey fuckwit, we have free health care and high taxes up here.

295 oh_dude  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:45:37pm

For his next exhibit, the artist should take several copies of the Koran, mutilate them, and then mount them on an old wooden board with the words "Allah is Dead" in Arabic.

We could start the exhbit at this cute little gallery in Tehran.

I think it would be a hit!

296 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:45:44pm

294 whiterasta

Respect to the I, dread!

297 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:46:17pm

Aladin Sane:

If you are getting nasty popups, you probably picked up a browser hijacker from some other site, but I doubt you got it from LGF. The scheduled popups are probably just coinciding with your visits to LGF.

I could be wrong. Let me know how it turns out.

298 Athos  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:46:24pm

#263 Paul,

I agree with you - well said.

Bottom line, the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech - gives this idiot the complete right to demonstrate and clearly show to all of us what a total ass he is.

Like the total idiot L³ raving moonbat trolls we have here - we should just GAZE.

He's just doing this for that ever shrinking (in size and from reality) echo chamber of the hard left.

And maybe one day he'll grow up - or at least appreciate his good fortune to be here rather than many other countries - and wish to "express his views".

299 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:47:40pm

#292 Aladin Sane,

I'm not, and I have popups set to "allowed" on LGF. If I don't, the blocker will sometimes block poster links :-(

Have you ran an anti-spyware program lately? Some spyware just does a popup every page-refresh.

300 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:47:41pm

297 Lawrence Schmerel

Could be. I just used adaware and Hijack this to try and clean things up. When I just posted it hijacked my browser to another window.

Freakin' computers, freakin' internet!

301 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:48:08pm

I don't know about anyone else but art agitprop like this garbage makes me want to smash some scumbag's head in, or better yet impale him with the eagle on top of a flag pole!

302 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:48:10pm

Ringo the Gringo (#293),

OK...I'll stop now.

Why? :-)

303 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:48:45pm

299 Iron Fist

Iron Fist, do you recommend anything better than the Adaware or Hijack this?

thanks

304 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:49:49pm

This talentless "artist" deserves to have his ass beaten with a cane. (I am not encouraging anyone to do anything violent or illegal, I am just stating my personal opinion.)

305 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:49:49pm

Can we call them un-patriotic now?!

And they wonder why they lost the election...

306 son of a son  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:50:05pm

I (among others) had the pleasure to train about 25 MIT graduates at a large Swiss bank some years ago. It was obvious that these guys were very good to memorate what their professors had told them, but most of them were not able to discuss a subject and have an own opinion. It seems everybody at MIT who had a pocket found a diploma in it.

This is the real American problem: the decline of academics. Serious scientists don't have time to bargain with diversity causing an incredible lowering of standards. A diploma of MIT or of many other US universities is not much worth, because you never know for how they got their diploma (you are a woman or black or gay or transgender etc.)

And if somebody wants to discuss topics like Mr. Summers from Harvard, spoiled substandard professors run away in order not to vomit. The simple fact is that they can't stand the truth.

In Europe these substandard professors are well known as well. They stay at university, because they are not able to cooperate in real world teams.

But there is always the other side of a story: You save the money for asylums.

307 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:50:29pm

#301 Jakester,

Think gasoline, and be creative. L³'s burn Flags, I burn L³s.

Freedom of expression, man.

308 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:51:19pm

OT, but fresh:

Ann Coulter weighs in on NewsWeak:

America's Most Dangerous Woman

309 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:51:34pm

#279 Geepers
And you!
23!
I wonder why that cute little penguin video clip just popped into my head...

Just kidding!

That's OK. I sent in a link and got a hat tip at OpinionJournal! So there!


#294 whiterasta
I wish I could help you. I really do!

310 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:51:45pm

#303 Aladin

I use Spybot, also, and MS Antispyware.
Both are free downloads.

311 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:52:32pm

310 mongoose

Thanks, back later. I need to download some tools...

312 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:52:49pm

and Firefox...

313 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:53:05pm

Try AboutBuster

314 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:53:20pm

#303 Aladin Sane,

I use Ad-Aware and Microserf Microsoft. Try the Microsoft one.

It is pretty good for a beta :-)

315 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:53:59pm

Thanks for all the birthday wishes!

316 Big Dan  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:54:07pm

I just got my MIT Alumni Association fund-raising card in the mail too. Now this.

I rattled off this email to the Alumni Association, I found an email form for "planning to give".

Here's my plan: no giving to support this desecration. Simple enough?

My email follows:
--------
I got my card for alumni gifts, as I was class of 19xx. I never really minded the soft-headed political stand of staff, faculty, or anyone connected with MIT before. Then I saw this FLAG DESECRATION, apparently on display at the Weisner art gallery at the Student Center.
[Link: barillari.org...]

And the gallery was a GIFT of the class of 1983? Until that foul ART is taken down and the flag DESECRATION removed, you'll never get another damn dime from this alumni.

I'm not a huge giver, but I figured that I at least owed something to MIT for my education there. Now I feel like MIT owes me a lot more than that. Next time you need a crappy display, put up a KORAN desecration or wrap the head of Dan Rather in quippy sayings and call it art.

I call it treason to the country that has GIVEN so much blood and treasure to improve the lives of people living under dictatorships that I have no time or money to support in any way the little pissants that think it's clever to do this.

Sorry, it's not really up to the Alumni association what goes on in a crappy little art gallery, but that's the law of Unintended Consequences. Ask NEWSWEEK, they can tell you all about it.

317 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:54:15pm

#306
MIT is overrated, they have some smart people there but we here at UMR kick the butts in nearly every intellectual competition, i.e. Solar Car, Human powered vehicle...

They live on their rep.

318 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:56:38pm

Addendum to #317

And on a much smaller budget.

319 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:56:42pm

I use MAC..... heh heh heh

320 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:57:06pm
Iron Fist, do you recommend anything better than the Adaware or Hijack this?

Yeah, it's called a Mac.

321 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:58:37pm

Aladin Sane,

Spy Sweeper is very thorough. It's the only thing that will remove some insidious programs that take over your browser at an initial level.

But I see where they've stopped the "free trial" offer. Probably because it's so good?

Search for it, you may still find the free trial at a mirror site.

322 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:58:58pm
#295

oh_dude  5/18/2005 04:45PM PDT

For his next exhibit, the artist should take several copies of the Koran, mutilate them, and then mount them on an old wooden board with the words "Allah is Dead" in Arabic.


We could start the exhbit at this cute little gallery in Tehran.


I think it would be a hit!

Fabulous, Absolutely Fab!

323 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 2:59:34pm

Now don't be so smug, Mac People!

324 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:00:00pm

Aladin Sane
If you are very 'puter literate, use HiJackThis. If you're not, don't!

325 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:00:05pm

Bob's Kid @ 320

Hey! High fives Bob's Kid...

MAC.... AWESOME!

326 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:00:33pm

Bubble, er, I mean Amalie, and I are the smart girls on this thread. Go mac!

And Big Dan? Great letter.

In and out, packing my bag. Hope I don't miss anything good, because it's getting time for the thread to start mentioning,..um...ah...

Ah, never mind. Y'all know what I mean.

Back to packing.

327 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:01:00pm

My computer is full of spyware, trojans, virii, and bugs. I just ignore them. They don't really bother me.

328 BenZacharia  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:01:36pm

JammieWearingFool
I loved the last para.

How about the media adding to the list of reasons not to run a news item: "Protecting the national interest"? If journalists don't like the ring of that, how about this one: "Protecting ourselves before the American people rise up and lynch us for our relentless anti-American stories."

Go! Girl Go!

329 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:02:03pm
Now don't be so smug, Mac People!

Oh but we must!

Hubris is a glorious thing.

330 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:02:40pm

Every once in a while I will open the registry and delete some keys that don't look right, but other than that, I just surf the net.

331 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:02:43pm
332 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:02:55pm

#264 Cartman

Man, I like your style ;-)

333 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:02:56pm

#307 Iron Fist

Think gasoline, and be creative. L³'s burn Flags, I burn L³s.

You might have a great future as a militant in Falluja.

Freedom of expression, man.

Or first degree murder in a civilized nation. You could also stab movie directors if you don't like their films, man.

334 really grumpy big dog johnson  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:03:57pm

He fashions himself an "artiste".

Nothing more needs to be said.

335 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:04:43pm

237 karmic_inquisitor
Did you see the scum who posted on the Yahoo Board for that article you linked to:

I love Galloway
by: mrsbrown_1955 05/18/05 07:23 pm
Msg: 38 of 46

Galloway could teach true moderate republicans and democrats how to speak out against the corruption of the BushCO NEOCON RepubliCONs.

Galloway spoke eloquently and calmly with sophistication and reamed the BushCO GOP a new one.

Can we keep this guy?
/blockquote>

336 CCR  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:05:30pm

On sober reflection this doesn't cross my "de facto renunciation of citizenship" threshold. He did not directly attack the constitution or decleration of independance or pledge allegience to anything incompatible with either. I'm sure he will eventually, though.

337 really grumpy big dog johnson  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:06:01pm

#4 Who Watches the Watchmen?

...commemorating the 57th anniversary of the Nakba or the catastrophe of 1948 which resulted in expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians from Historic Palestine, massacres of civilians, and the razing to the ground of hundreds of Palestinian villages.

The palis have learned much from their lunarlib brothers and sisters, not the least of which is that if you are going to lie, you might as well make it as bald-faced a lie as possible. Their marriage is doubtless one made in heaven, or at least in the blood of the infidel.

BTW, how come "Palestine" sounds so remarkably unlike your typical Muslim place name?

Hmmm...

338 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:06:09pm

Iron Fist,
Remember the "Blackboard Jungle"?

339 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:06:39pm

Remind you of anyone?

...The so-called mainstream media is so unplugged from its mainstream readership it has spurred a backlash. Tired of the left-wing media bias, particularly after September 11, 2001, bloggers mounted a serious challenge. As US blogger Matt Welch told Anderson, his blogging was a "direct response to reading five days' worth of outrageous bullshit in the media from people like Noam Chomsky".

And the blogging backlash is hurting old media. When CBS star anchorman Dan Rather claimed he had new evidence that Bush had neglected his National Guard obligations, bloggers proved the documents were forgeries, and Rather was forced to resign.

If you don't know what a blogger is, don't feel bad. Even in the media many haven't caught up. While the quality of blogging varies wildly, the best bloggers, such as Australia's Tim Blair (timblair.net), are checking facts, reporting news, breaking stories and giving alternative commentary to that found in large sections of the old media.

With much of the blogo-sphere tilting right, and looking - dare one say it - decidedly mainstream, parts of the old media are bunkering down. They have become the new reactionaries, sticking to what Anderson calls their illiberal liberalism. Old media derides the blogger as "a guy sitting in his living room in his pyjamas writing what he thinks". Old media detests the Fox phenomenon and those dastardly "shock jocks" -- you know, those radio broadcasters who often attract more listeners than newspapers have readers.

But their sniping cannot hide the fact that the mainstream media is no longer the gatekeeper of information. The gates are open and even a guy in pyjamas can do a better job than old media. ...


Leftist media missed a turn to the right

340 Doggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:06:50pm

such ANTI American displays expose the sub level IQ of those who aspire to bite the hand that feeds thier ugly muggs

341 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:07:20pm

J.D. (#309),

23? That many? Who knew? I remember my first one, been up all night arguing about some clothes store in Japan when I saw it, then stayed up all day.

The good old days. :-)

That's OK. I sent in a link and got a hat tip at OpinionJournal! So there!

Furiously looking for OpinionJournal contact links

Lizards - competitive? No Way!

342 zulubaby  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:07:44pm

Senior PA minister slams Muslim cleric in Gaza for anti-Semitism

Palestinian Minister of Information Nabil Sha'ath said he had asked the Waqf Muslim religious trust and PA Religious Affairs Ministry, which employ the cleric, "to suspend him, investigate him and prevent him from delivering further Friday sermons."

Is it pathetic that I hope this is sincere?

343 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:08:39pm

#333 Who Watches the Watchmen?,

It is called a joke. Grow a sense of humor.

344 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:09:40pm

#317 jwbrown

correct on MIT...reputation from half a century ago.

btw, how many astronauts didn't go tp Purdue?

/channelling Beach Boys' "Be True to Your School"

345 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:10:35pm
346 jwbrown1969  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:11:03pm

#344
The 4 from UMR and the ones from the Naval Academy come to mind. But your point is well taken.

347 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:11:32pm

Thanks everyone!

I had to pay $29 for No adware or something like that. I'd already run adaware and Hijack this. The new program found 99 infected files I'd missed before.

Aladin and computer are happy now!

348 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:11:45pm

PIMF

to Purdue

349 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:12:21pm

Damnit! I just got a porn popup when I posted my success story.

For the love of pete...

350 Golem14  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:12:22pm

I'd say that this guy makes me ashamed to be an artist, but I don't think I'd consider him an artist in the first place. In any case, it must be a drag to spend your time creating reminders of the things you don't like; most artists are inspired to do the exact opposite.

351 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:14:08pm

btw, how many astronauts didn't go tp Purdue?


Petty vandalism is a right of passage for the Astronaut Corps?

352 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:14:41pm
Extreme closeup of Ed Mahmoud style porno! ¡ ¡XXX ! !

Oooooohhhh! a Floater RGB Loop!

I am sooooo hot.

353 hous bin pharteen  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:14:46pm

I see no other course. We must capture a large number of these Liberals and torture them till they agree with out point of view.
Its the only way.

I suggest we use the "panties on the head" method. And to be twice as cruel and sadistic, we must use Rosie O'Donalds, Whoopie Goldbergs, and Ted Kennedy's. The ones he wears, not the ones he steals.

354 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:15:02pm

#349 Aladin Sane 5/18/2005 05:12PM PDT

"a porn popup?"

Just ignore 'em and Blog on!

355 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:15:11pm

Speaking of PC tools, anyone got a good (free) defragmenter?

356 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:15:13pm

#349 Aladin

shouldn't that read "for the love of peter"?

357 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:16:19pm

#356 mongoose 5/18/2005 05:15PM PDT

Peter pop up?

358 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:16:25pm

If this nimrod wants bin Laden to be president, then he's going to get a real shock when he's forced to pray six times a day, is forced to grow a beard four fingers long, and must give up all his material possessions, his individual mind and thoughts and be lock-step with Allah.

Dissent might be funny now, but not when he makes his first satirical piece of art with bin Laden as a chimp, or a cowboy, or anything else. His captors and judges will not be as understanding.

359 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:16:33pm

#355 Geepers

i just use MS tools defrag...
is it not good?

360 metal man  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:16:35pm

I have never mentioned my blog on this site but I wrote an Open letter to our soldiers and know it will never be seen unless I do somthing like this.Open letter And also as response this twit that thinks desecrating the flag is cool.

361 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:17:19pm

golem @ 350

Great, great point.... but then again, this merely psuedo-art, a sly political statement hiding under the aegis of "art." Even the "artistes" explanation (great line of bullshit) of his "piece" boldly informs the viewers of his non-intent to make a statement, but merely his "wish" to make the viewers, (victims), think.

362 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:17:34pm

#349 Aladinsane

Are you using Firefox? If not, get it.

363 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:17:34pm

#357 Lawrence

not here...at least not now!

364 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:17:38pm

354 Lawrence Schmerel

I would ignore them, but Mrs. Sane might question my browsing habits, or Aladin Jr. or little In could walk in.

and

#356 mongoose

shouldn't that read "for the love of peter"?

Guess it depends on which way your gate swings. Mine ain't hung that way..

Thanks for the spybot tip though!

365 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:17:42pm

#349 Aladin Sane
Turn off 3rd party cookies in Internet Options, clear your cache/history. Then run the spyware programs again.

366 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:18:32pm

#355 Geepers 5/18/2005 05:15PM PDT

Yeah. C:/ defrag c:

367 negativ  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:18:41pm

Now now, people. Don't be too hard on artists in general. Remember Theo Van Gogh?

It's SUPPOSED to get you all frothed up, and maybe make you think (DO NOT confuse this with "trying to change your mind"). If you disagree with it, then hooray for you. Don't go calling for blood or yelling about unpatriotic (infidel?) thought crimes.

368 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:19:00pm

#362 Robert D

Are you using Firefox? If not, get it.

I was using Opera for a while. I forget why I stopped and went back to IE. I should probably switch...

369 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:20:30pm

#361 Amalie

" but merely his "wish" to make the viewers, (victims) unwitting, clueless followers, think."

hi BG

370 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:20:55pm

Amalie

I've been told you have to be really smart to use a Mac. See there, I'm not in your league ;-)

371 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:21:02pm

Firefox is wonderful!

I gave up on 'Exploder the first time I saw the Mozilla site.

372 Golem14  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:21:23pm

361 Amalie:

That's exactly it; he's a politician disguised as an artist.

373 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:21:23pm

#368 Aladin Sane
Try Maxthon.

374 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:22:37pm

Metal Man, if you put your blog's url in the URL box above the comment box, your name will become a link to it!

375 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:22:42pm

363 mongoose 5/18/2005 05:17PM PDT

Try viagra.

I tried it once, but it just made my neck get stiff.

376 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:22:51pm

365 reaganite

Turn off 3rd party cookies in Internet Options, clear your cache/history. Then run the spyware programs again.

Thanks! Back later.

377 piglet  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:23:44pm

MIT is of course the US's third best engineering school:

Harvard Bridge spans the Charles River linking Boston and Cambridge. In 1958 Lambda Chi Alpha took 5' 7" MIT freshman pledge Oliver R. Smoot, Jr. and rolled him head over heels the entire length of the bridge. Every ten smoots they calibrated the bridge, painting marks. The bridge was found to be exactly 364.4 smoots plus an ear. Successive pledge classes repainted the markings.

In 1987 the Mass. Dept. of Public Works decided the concrete of the bridge was due for replacement. They had no plans for smoot preservation. The Boston Press tracked down Oliver R. Smoot, Jr. who was then age 48, and executive vice president of Computer and Business Equipment Manufactures Association in Washington D. C. He had no plans of being reused for new markings.

The Mass. Metropolitan District Commission, the government body in charge of the bridge went on record in support of smoots. They stated, "We recognize the smoots' role in local history. That's not to mean that the agency encourages graffiti painting. But smoots aren't just any kind of graffiti. They're smoots! If commemorative plaques and markers are not installed by the state once the bridge work is done, then we'll see that it's done."

Stephen Smoot, a son of Oliver R. Smoot, Jr, was then age 21 and attending MIT was ready to redo the smoot measurements, although he was 5'11", so everything would be off.

There are a couple of pictures of Oliver R. Smoot, of MIT students ready to redo measurements with Stephen Smoot, and of a plaque that reads:
"This plaque place in honor of THE SMOOT which joined the angstrom, meter and light year as standards of length, when in October 1958 the span of this bridge was measured, using the body of Oliver Reed Smoot, M.I.T. '62 and found to be precisely 364.4 smoots and one ear. Commemorated at out 25th reunion June 6, 1987 M.I.T. Class of 1962"

Another clipping states that the Mass. Dept. of Public Works gave two Smooted sections of sidewalk to the MIT museum at a ceremony. Continental Construction Company of Cambridge also agreed to make the new concrete sidewalk slabs 5' 7" long to coincide with the Smoots, instead of the usual 6' increments.

378 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:23:47pm

mongoose (#359),

It seems to whack out at a some quantity level (which I reached a long time ago apparently.)

Can't juggle too many megas of bits or something.

379 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:24:45pm

#370 RobertD

I always tease my sister-in-law (Mac user):
Oh? only one mouse button?...gee that's easy...

380 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:24:49pm

Maybe I should practice a little serenity and not get worked up over such a little scumbag. After all, that is half his goal: to make patriots so angry they do and say rash things. However, if a safe fell on his head and crushed it, I wouldn't tear my clothes up in grief and mourning either!

381 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:25:41pm

#368 Aladin Sane

I'm no expert by any means, but I've not had a problem with popups with Firefox. It tells you when one was blocked so you can make your own choice. IE is nothing but trouble. IMHO

382 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:27:44pm

328,

And if I do as she surmises, who gets the blame?

383 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:28:28pm

Piglet:

I get your point, but it'smoot.

384 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:29:28pm
Try viagra.

I tried it once, but it just made my neck get stiff.

Would that make you a dickhead?

;-Þ

385 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:29:46pm
I've been told you have to be really smart to use a Mac

Yes, yes, (she said modestly) that is true. Fortunately I have several degrees with lots of letters in 'em and that must mean I am really smart, right?

Okay, maybe not. But it looks good on paper.

Will you guys stop distracting me?! I am trying to get my packing done!

386 Elcid  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:30:21pm

355 Geepers
Yo, Geepers

Don't know about "free", but inexpensive, sure.....:).

387 salty  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:30:23pm

Notice all the wood the "artist" used in the display? Shouldn't he/she be out hugging the wood somewhere instead of wasting it on that crap?

388 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:30:41pm

Newsweek and Rathergate fallout:

'USA Today' Drastically Reduces Its Use of Anonymous Sources

"The managing editor has to decide why the news value outweighs the issue of anonymity," Paulson added. "We realize you cannot live up to your watchdog role unless you occasionally use sources who are afraid to speak out on the record. But the key is to ensure that what we do publish, we have absolute faith in."
389 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:30:56pm

#379 mongoose

See there, I can't even tease anyone about a Mac. I'm Pretty new to the computer world :-)

390 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:30:57pm

OT

Test post to see if Aladin gets porn popup.

391 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:31:03pm

Someone here hooked me up with Firefox.

Pop-up free since. Highly recommended.

Jumpin' jehosephat, I've surpassed 1000 posts!

392 Paul  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:31:31pm

The artists who create works like this flag exhibit or crucifixes in urine or elephant dung madonnas aren't really taking risks. They know it, the museums know it and we know it. So they can tweak the noses of the Red State boobs without any consequences (other than increased comissions) and get a favorable nod from the NY Times or the Village Voice.

There are a gazillion artists in Boston, New York, Chicago and San Francisco churning this stuff out and it's tough to make a decent living unless you have a gimmick.

Like these:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

or,

[Link: www.mum.org...]

393 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:31:58pm

So far so good, now if only Charles will remember me...

394 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:32:10pm

So Sarah, this means they have no more sources?

395 David  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:32:58pm

Actually, what is striking about this is its general crappiness. Reflexive anti-Americanism, without any thought, talent, inventiveness or merit whatsoever.

396 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:33:16pm

Reaganite et alius,

Ago gratius, it seems to have worked!

397 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:33:42pm
398 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:34:06pm

#394 JammieWearingFool

Well, maybe they'll have to concentrate more on the facts of the matter. Can only be a good thing IMHO.

399 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:34:20pm

#384 Geepers 5/18/2005 05:29PM PDT

That was ugly. I'm leaving.

400 Luigi  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:35:32pm

I don't know if anyone's posted this from WND but it cannot be repeated often enough

Palestinians used Bible as toilet paper

While Muslims have responded with deadly outrage to the now-retracted report by Newsweek of alleged Quran desecration by U.S. interrogators, there was little outcry three years ago when Islamic terrorists holed up in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity reportedly used the Bible as toilet paper.
401 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:35:32pm

#391 JammieWearingFool

Someone here hooked me up with Firefox.

I tried Firefox, now I'm hooked on Maxthon. Tabbed browsing, no pop-ups, and a real easy way to clean you cache/history.

402 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:35:56pm

#397 Rayra

not only "represents", but actively promotes.

and there's lots more like him.

403 former demo  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:36:14pm

#389 Robert D

Got dueling laptops set up at home here - my work Dell and the brand new iBook with the Tiger OS and Safari. I presume you're on Windows?

Macs definitely are more fun than Windows!

Do any of you use Skype? I use it every day to make international calls, very cool.

404 KarmiCommunist  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:36:55pm
Oh brother.

"Oh brother" is exactly correct, and humble hermit me will add, 'Oh sister', to that statement.

Well, what can we expect, with so-called teachers like University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill teaching America's soon to not be 'Children'?!? BTW, that link leads to Ward's stating his case...so to speak.

Its all about the “Freedom of the Press”, the so-called "Freedom of Speech", and the so-called 'Right' that is being taught in our 'Schools' that it is "OK" to be a Subversive.

MSM is out of control...our 'Schools' are out of control...we have allowed it to happen...and, it didn't happen "overnight". Hopefully we are starting to regain some control over MSM & other news media sources by not supporting such as Newsweek, but the Communists planted such seeds decades ago (knowing that they might lose), and the results have been 'sprouting' forth...onwards into adulthood for almost as many decades. Heck, it is even worse than that, if one were to factor in the reactions of LGF's MRPNG upon my arrival...so to speak of their reaction to the mere Dualistic word "Communist" whilst all about them is coming close to crumbling.

America still has some Dualistic time left, and thus the reason for my Non-Dualistic arrival here at LGF...

KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;

405 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:38:02pm

#397 Rayra

This cretin 'artiste' is within his rights. But the crapthink he represents places him firmly in the 'Domestic Enemies' group, as far as I'm concerned.

I made plenty of mistakes when I was a kid. I still make plenty of them.

This is kid we're talking about.

406 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:38:05pm

404 KarmiCommunist

What's MRPNG?

407 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:38:56pm

#396 Aladin Sane

Your nic has turned blue. Is that on purpose or what?

408 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:39:24pm

#396 Aladin Sane
That wasn't english...

:-Þ

409 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:40:38pm

407 Robert D

Your nic has turned blue. Is that on purpose or what?

It's on purpose. When it's blue, it means you can click on it to email me, or anyone else for that matter. I had an unsecure email address before, the one I've got now is a throw-away, so I'm blue again..

410 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:42:42pm

408 reaganite

That wasn't english...

Naw, it wasn't, but hopefully the meaning was clear, Thanks!

411 former demo  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:42:56pm

#404

Or is MRPNG someone's nic?

412 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:43:54pm

411 former demo

Maybe it's short for Mr. PNG...

413 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:44:06pm

#410 Aladin Sane

Naw, it wasn't, but hopefully the meaning was clear, Thanks!

Any time! I do suggest you use any browser but IE!

414 mungagungadin  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:44:14pm

so what's his address. I want to send him a love-letter. Please oh please. I've got a box ready, and dinner was big. It ought to be "provacative"

munga

415 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:44:39pm

#403 former demo

Yea, windows xp. Came with the new Dell. I got tired of hand me down computers real quick, and decided if I was going to learn anything, I better start with something new, and common.

416 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:44:57pm

Lawrence Schmerel,

Sheesh dude, Don't have such a thin foreskin, it was a joke.

417 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:45:06pm

#367 negativ

[Now now, people. Don't be too hard on artists in general.]

No one her is. If you think so, prove it.

[Remember Theo Van Gogh?]

Yeah, he was an actual artist unlike this putrid flag desecrator, and his documentary was factual, not unsubstantiated opinion.

[It's SUPPOSED to get you all frothed up, and maybe make you think (DO NOT confuse this with "trying to change your mind").]

I can think just fine without dishonoring the flag I served as an enlisted man. I can change my mind on my own without any help.


[If you disagree with it, then hooray for you.]

Disagree? You have little understanding of how it makes me feel. I don't just disagree. I think it is abhorent.

[Don't go calling for blood]

THose who called for blood here were smacked down promptly, or didn't you read the whole thread before posting your inane bullshit?


[or yelling about unpatriotic (infidel?) thought crimes.]

I think the point is that we take issue with the display of anti American bullshit, not what the "artist" thinks. Who gives a flying fuck what he thinks? I don't see anywhere that anyone called him "infidel". You pulled that word out of your ass.

418 KarmiCommunist  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:45:31pm

#406 Aladin Sane

What's MRPNG?

LGF's MRPNG know whom they are, and it is best that humble me leaves it to them to explain the definition of such to those whom have missed the obvious...so to speak of such 'Thangs.

Wait and watch...

419 rightymouse  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:45:32pm

"My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed."

LMAO!

What a crock of supercilious, liberal crap.

420 Powderfinger  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:45:52pm

Oh no he didn't!

Holy shit. He did.


"From the emails and feedback we've had from all over the world it is true undoubtedly that there was a worldwide audience out there waiting for someone to speak the truth to power."

We're done for. Crooked, Moonbat George came to Washington and spoke truth to power. Not Saddam's power, that's quite alright. American power. That's what's wrong with the world.

Oy.

421 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:46:41pm

OT

Hey Reaganite. I took my concealed carry class last weekend. I can now hit a paper plate with a pistol from 7 yards. (I had to throw the pistol...)

LOL

422 myoclonic jerk  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:46:45pm

#405 Reaganite

You are right. these are the rantings of a stupid kid. The real douchebags are the liberal professors who encourage these nonsensical protests. I'd like to know who his mentors are at the school and who helped him with his art. Invariably, you'll find some hippy dippy '60's era loon (or worse, a younger radical copycat) feeding the kid crazy ideas and lies.

423 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:46:52pm

Aladin sane

Knew what it meant, just wonderin if your settings were gettin scrambled....

424 westoner  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:47:01pm

Make no mistake. It is because of their unbroken record of sedition, their active undermining of western democracy at every opportunity, that leftists will need to be broken here in the west as ruthlessly as the jihadists.

For if the jihadists are ever beaten, the left will only recuperate and search for new ways to undermine the west, find new hostile powers to collaborate with.

The course Europe has set itself upon makes it abundantly clear that leftist ideology is fatal to the survival of western civilisation.

425 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:47:53pm

423 Robert D

Sorry thought you didn't know. My settings got lost, and I decided to turn the email on while I was updating them.

426 former demo  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:47:54pm

#412 AS

LOL.

I still don't understand the subversive part in KarmiK's post.

Oh, calgon man, take me away:)

427 techno  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:48:25pm
Unfortunately, many variants of the flags did not receive the dye well;

Sheesh, the noxious subject matter aside, anyone working with cloth who is completely and cluelessly incapable of researching the simple tests that can be done to figure out what the fiber is, and then choosing the right dye for the fiber, doesn't even deserve the title "artist". The information's out there, and it ain't hard to find!

[Link: www.fabriclink.com...]

/disgruntled fiber artist

428 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:48:48pm

#424 westoner

The course Europe has set itself upon makes it abundantly clear that leftist ideology is fatal to the survival of western civilisation.

Yes, it is.

429 Powderfinger  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:49:03pm

Hmph. Linky no worky.

Linky!

Bueno.

430 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:50:48pm

426 former demo

I still don't understand the subversive part in KarmiK's post.

Did you get what the "dualist" stuff was about? I'm feeling kinda stupid.

431 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:51:13pm

#421 Aladin Sane

I can now hit a paper plate with a pistol from 7 yards. (I had to throw the pistol...)

That reminds me of the old joke about the Model 1911 .45.

How many shots does the 1911 have?

Eight, fire 7 times and throw it at him!

432 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:51:16pm

robert d
I'm no expert by any means, but I've not had a problem with popups with Firefox. It tells you when one was blocked so you can make your own choice. IE is nothing but trouble. IMHO

download dogpile pop up blocker,
yahoo pop up blocker. etc
several good ones that are free.

433 rightymouse  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:52:06pm

#418 KarmiCommunist

"LGF's MRPNG know whom they are, and it is best that humble me leaves it to them to explain the definition of such to those whom have missed the obvious...so to speak of such 'Thangs.

Wait and watch...

Sure. And can you let us know when your head explodes when you're DOABYAFI? We'll all grieve.

434 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:52:19pm

Aladin Sane

Hey, no problem, and BTW your #421 is a hoot!

435 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:52:24pm

pimf, sorry,
dogpile only works with microsoft.

436 Mister Ghost  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:52:42pm

This art is much better than than that Andy Warhol wannabee impersonator, and an interesting In T View with a Palestinian-American woman who's very erudite and witty:

The In T View: Nadz: Proud And Free

Excerpts:

MG: Palestine: Nadz, you say The Intifadah "was a disaster."
And hopefully, anyone with more than half a brain won't disagree with you. So, what do the Palestinians do now to extricate themselves from the morass they've buried themselves under?

Nadz: Stop the pattern of justifying the militants' actions, and make it clear to the Israelis that Hamas and Islamic Jihad no longer speak for us. Then, create a massive non-violence movement - the "violence movement" never works, but Ghandi's tactics have never failed. If we find peaceful ways to resist the occupation, we'll give the Israelis reason to think that we're not out to drive them into the sea.

Reform the PA. Create an efficient governmental system. Stop blaming Israel for everything, and learn to fix things ourselves. Instead of complaining when the Israelis take a step backwards, take the initiative and move in the right direction. Continue non-violence tactics, get international attention and demand to get back to the negociating table. Make sure that Arafat doesn't come back to life (shivers).

Above all though, stop shouting for revenge and instead call for reconciliation. We will never turn the clock back to pre-1945, so we have to accept that we can't have everything. We need to accept some hard truths and learn to forgive. There is so much bad feeling now, both sides have to forgive a little for the sake of peace.

MG: Have you ever fallen under the sway of Moammar Ghadaffi?
That's one Stylin' Dictator - He could sweep you off your
feet, Nadz, if you're not careful.

Nadz: Hehe. Have you seen his all-female bodyguard squad? If I wasn't so anti-dictator, I might have to sign up. He's more stylin' than Kim Jong-Il, that's for sure. I'd probably prefer to be a crazy dctator than serve one, but that's just me.


MG: When will the poor Saudi Women be allowed to vote and will they even be able to see the Ballots from under their Burkhas? And how will they know if it's a woman voting - it could be a man in disguise you know? And will the Saudi Men even be allowed to touch and count the ballots, after women have handled them - Won't the ballots have to be disinfected?

Nadz: Hahaha! Don't forget the high rates of rape and prostitution the voting will also cause! One quick note: in Saudi Arabia, women wear Abayas, not Burkas - they're black instead of blue and don't have that mesh thingy over the face.

Seriously, women will get the vote when they demand it - take to the streets and insist on their rights. Suffragettes in the States and Europe had to go on hunger strikes and chain themselves to railway tracks before they were given the right to vote. I hope it won't come to that, but it will take some action to get the vote. Time for a feminist revolution!

437 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:53:00pm

431 reaganite

That reminds me of the old joke about the Model 1911 .45.

I actually have a 1911 that a friend on mine re-machined, etc. before he died. I bought if from his widow. It's tighter than a state dick's hatband.

438 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:53:02pm

#422 myoclonic jerk

The real douchebags are the liberal professors who encourage these nonsensical protests. I'd like to know who his mentors are at the school and who helped him with his art. Invariably, you'll find some hippy dippy '60's era loon (or worse, a younger radical copycat) feeding the kid crazy ideas and lies.

A perfect reason to do away with tenure.

439 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:55:25pm

#404 KarmiCommunist,

Ah, the most amusing Communist, again :-)

440 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:55:31pm

KarmiCommunist (#418),

LGF's MRPNG know whom they are, and it is best that humble me leaves it to them to explain the definition of such to those whom have missed the obvious...so to speak of such 'Thangs.

Wait and watch...

Ofergodsake, quit being such a wuss.

441 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:56:18pm

#437 Aladin Sane

I actually have a 1911 that a friend on mine re-machined, etc. before he died. I bought if from his widow. It's tighter than a state dick's hatband.

I have fond memory of the 1911, but I really love the Glock 21!

442 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:56:34pm

439 Iron Fist

Ah, the most amusing Communist, again

Did you understand the "dualist" stuff?

443 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:57:14pm

Oh goody, the party is about to liven up!

444 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:57:35pm

441 reaganite

I have fond memory of the 1911, but I really love the Glock 21!

It seems there's always another pistol I need to get...

445 jumpininhere  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:57:51pm

If I were a Muslim, my first reaction would be to riot and kill people. But I'm not a Muslim, so my first reaction is to yawn and make a mental note not to EVER, EVER forget who these people are.

446 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:58:15pm
447 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:59:04pm

Multi Role Playing No Goods?

448 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:59:41pm

#404 KarmiK

Heck, it is even worse than that, if one were to factor in the reactions of LGF's MRPNG upon my arrival...so to speak of their reaction to the mere Dualistic word "Communist" whilst all about them is coming close to crumbling.

America still has some Dualistic time left, and thus the reason for my Non-Dualistic arrival here at LGF...

Damn - another poster aspiring to be a god here.

LGF is becoming a cosmic magnet.

449 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 3:59:42pm

@444 Aladin

don't neglect the Sig P239...
beats the Glock, IMHO.

450 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:00:04pm

KarmiCommunist (#418),

LGF's MRPNG know whom they are, and it is best that humble me leaves it to them to explain the definition of such to those whom have missed the obvious...so to speak of such 'Thangs.

Wait and watch...

....Oh, I get it!

Karmi is a GDFIWNCATHTCWTHR. Just stay tuned. All will be made clear with TaxFreeKiller's next post!

451 Cartman  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:00:15pm

#430 Aladin

Did you get what the "dualist" stuff was about? I'm feeling kinda stupid.

I do too, but I'm guessing that's Karmi's "fun" here in LGF. You ever do the Jumble puzzle in your local rag? It's our treat for the evening. ;)

M
R
P
N
G

WTF?

/chuckle

452 Amy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:00:21pm

The words that jumped out at me were "sacred cloth." Although the "artist" is using them in a way that indicates that s/he considers the cloth anything but sacred, I think that this entire exercise demonstrates what's wrong with this country in a nutshell.

The "artist" should try living in Cuba, China, Iran or Uzbekhistan and observing this sacred cloth and all it represents from a place where s/he hasn't got a chance in hell of enjoying its benefits.

453 hous bin pharteen  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:00:53pm

Great video for a laugh.

Norwegian NATO troops made a music video.

Linkie thingy

454 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:01:17pm

449 mongoose

don't neglect the Sig P239...

G-d, will this ever end? I was gonna buy a 22 Ruger semi automatic just to practice with, now thanks to you and Reaganite, I'm looking at Glocks and Sigs too!

455 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:02:41pm

DMRBG:

Nice...very nice in fact, and it shows what can happen to one's enemies (or the "Peanut Gallery" or ‘Da “Mob Ruled Board Gallery” standing against one) when you are left standing...so to speak of such ‘Thangs.
456 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:02:44pm

#450 eschew_obfuscation

Karmi is a GDFIWNCATHTCWTHR. Just stay tuned. All will be made clear with TaxFreeKiller's next post!

Oh.

/Runs screaming out of the room.

457 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:03:41pm

O.K., those of you with knowledge of firearms....

If I wanted a sidearm for personal protection, what would you recommend?

I kinda like the concept of the composite Glocks, but I'm pretty ignorant on this subject.

TNX.

458 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:03:48pm

Reminds me - whatever happened to the Serpent and his god TLOP?

(The Laws of Physics)

459 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:03:54pm

#444 Aladin Sane

It seems there's always another pistol I need to get...

Do we need to start a list? :-Þ

460 MikalM  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:03:57pm

Other than Mr. Balliari's blog, has anyone heard of this thing reported anywhere else?

Contrast it to this unsubstantiated and suspicious-smelling "desecration" report, which is hitting the wires big-time...

461 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:04:12pm

Crap, I thought MRPNG was hard, now I gotta make sense out of GDFIWNCATHTCWTHR?

462 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:04:16pm

427 techno
Unfortunately, many variants of the flags did not receive the dye well;

Sure, he went and bought polyester flags probably with some added weather resistent factor!

Only the really good ones or big ones are in cotton or natural fibers like duck.

463 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:04:51pm

#454 Aladin

well, yeah, it could end, all too easily...
when Ted, Dianne, Babs, et al. destroy the Second Amendment...

/note to self: send in NRA dues

464 rightymouse  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:05:07pm

#439 Iron Fist
#440 Geepers

Karmi has to decode "DOABYAFI" in order to get a secret decoder ring that will enable him/her/it to another level of Superperson status.

465 Simple Voice  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:05:11pm
My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

I truly understand. The art is nonsensical. The artist is narrow minded and probably hasn't had an original thought since potty training days.

466 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:05:30pm

#456 rightasrain 5/18/2005 06:02PM PDT
#450 eschew_obfuscation

Karmi is a GDFIWNCATHTCWTHR. Just stay tuned. All will be made clear with TaxFreeKiller's next post!
Oh.

/Runs screaming out of the room.

Woops....that was rather obfuscatory without the /sarc tag.

sorry 'bout that.

467 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:05:32pm

My dad always used to say: "Be careful with a 1911 you can aim it at something and shoot your toe off."

468 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:06:01pm

457 eschew_obfuscation

If I wanted a sidearm for personal protection, what would you recommend?

One that feels good in your hands. Take time to shoot a bunch. If you're going for concealed carry, you may have to compromise feel-good for concealability (is that a word?)

469 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:06:20pm

Is Ruger a bad name in guns? I own three at the moment, and am very satisfied. I just have not heard that name mentioned. And they are an American company.

470 Smilin' Jack  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:07:17pm

Ahhh, mental giants at work. Must be true; products of MIT, no? These people are going to give intelligence and education a bad name.

Can't they do anything productive with their God-given talents? Is that beneath them?

just askin'
SJ

471 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:07:18pm

#466 eschew_obfuscation

Woops....that was rather obfuscatory without the /sarc tag.

No no - I got it. :)

It's why I went screaming out of the room. :-)

472 Clemente  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:08:47pm

Darn proud of that old flag. Despite this traitor's best efforts to blacken her, it sounds like the red, white and blue were more than a match for him. Old Glory comes shining through, but sadly, he's unable to take the implicit lesson staring him in the face. Must be a liberal arts grad student, or as some call them, "Waiter!"

473 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:08:52pm

O.K.....My bad...

What I meant to say, Mr. Garrison was:

WTF?

How are we supposed to understand this pseudo-intellectual BS?

With regard to the MRPNG thing that is...

474 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:09:18pm

#450 eschew_obfuscation

All will be made clear with TaxFreeKiller's next post!

I t wll"?,,,
Weerd,, "the" chair is

lawyers,,,hipotizer ?"hoes?...

475 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:09:20pm

OT:

Brace yourselves, people.

According to the current "Huffington Post," we're in for tough times ahead: "Report: Muslim World Largely Anti-American"!

Omigod. Who'd a thunk it?

476 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:09:45pm

#453 hous bin pharteen
That was great!
Well done, Norwegians!
Encore!

477 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:10:50pm

#474 reaganite

I t wll"?,,,
Weerd,, "the" chair is

lawyers,,,hipotizer ?"hoes?...

Thanks, reaganite.

That brought tears to my eyes.

/sniffle

478 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:11:15pm

#442 Aladin Sane,

The poor Communist means LGF's Most Recognized Persona Non Grata. Myself :-)

Not at LGF, obviously, but at Leftist blogs. The Communist is either Atrios or DK in affiliation, IMHO.

I've ben PNG'd at both :-)

479 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:11:17pm

#454 Aladin Sane

I was gonna buy a 22 Ruger semi automatic just to practice with, now thanks to you and Reaganite, I'm looking at Glocks and Sigs too!

Should I tell you about the Browning Buckmark?

480 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:11:19pm

#475 Cato the Elder

Shocking! I thought the Islamic world was all full o warm fuzzies for the US. After all look at all the relief money and aid we've given them. Sheesh.

481 Bob's Kid  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:12:04pm
It's tighter than a state dick's hatband.

Whoa! I was worried what analogy you were going to use on that one.

Whew!

482 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:12:10pm

#469 Robert D

Is Ruger a bad name in guns?

I don't know for sure. I think their name is more associated with revolvers than semi-automatics. Maybe someone else will correct me.

I think I'm going to buy a 22 Ruger semi-automatic to practice with.

483 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:12:39pm

#456 rightasrain

/Runs screaming out of the room.


I'm just drinking more, hoping he will show up...

484 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:13:32pm

Rugers are ok. I love the single six, and they make a decent auto, but I have been told they don't hold up to a lot of shooting.

485 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:14:14pm

475-
You read the Huffington Post? Please reoprt to the nearest psych ward for the protection of yourself and society.

So we are disliked by the Muslim world, and this is news?

Maybe we should let them know that Red Sox fans largely dislike the Yankees, carnivors eat meat and and the earth isn't really flat.

486 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:15:01pm

#477 rightasrain

That brought tears to my eyes.

I'm on leave, I've been drunk for almost 2 weeks. I'm beginning to understand TFK!

487 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:15:32pm

479 reaganite

Should I tell you about the Browning Buckmark?

Nice lookin' gun. I was going to say "curse you Reaganite", but it's better I saw one before I bought the Ruger.

Thanks again!

488 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:15:47pm

#485 tankdemon

[and the earth isn't really flat.]

Moonbats will demand proof of that of course.

489 Aladin Sane  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:16:25pm

I gotta go.

Goodnight everyone!

490 hous bin pharteen  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:16:45pm

#457.

If your a big guy, I say the .44 magnum.

If your going to use it, why screw around?

491 former demo  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:17:03pm

#478 IF - by george, I think you've cracked the code. Brilliant.

#483 Ann - me, too. Nice merlot.

492 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:17:11pm

#486 reaganite

I'm on leave, I've been drunk for almost 2 weeks. I'm beginning to understand TFK!

Not to worry - TFK's posts resemble the DTs. :-)

493 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:17:34pm

#490 hous bin pharteen

Why not, as long as you don't have to clean up the mess.

494 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:17:50pm

Oh No!

...don't tell me we have those damned 'rounder-earthers' on the thread!?

What's next?.....Joooos?

495 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:17:55pm

reaganite,

Thanks for the chuckle!

496 J.D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:18:05pm
497 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:18:06pm

In a way, I almost feel sorry for the student.

Someone who has an interest in art --or a passion and at MIT is is costing big bucks and all he is learning from his teachers is mediocracy at best.

I hold the teacher more accountable for not encouraging these students to strive for quality work.

The kid thinks they are good if their teachers tell them it is.

498 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:18:39pm

#484 Orson Buggy

Rugers are ok. I love the single six, and they make a decent auto, but I have been told they don't hold up to a lot of shooting.

I've owned a few Ruger rifles. I still have an M-77R in .270. I had a Mini-14 I put over 10,000 rounds through. I've never owned a Ruger pistol though. I highly recommend their rifles.

499 metal man  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:19:14pm

#482 Aladin Sane
Ruger makes some nice semi autos. I love this oneRuger P91 in 40calSW. Also own a 10/22 rifle and Mark I pistol all have been good affordable guns.

500 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:20:04pm

494 eschew-
I thouight it was rather shaped like a lime, but kind of turning on its side. But not as green. (Except a certain Isle a bit west of Britain.)

501 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:20:11pm

#482 Aladin Sane

I have a 9mm 15 shot P89 DC that works wonderful. Now there are a lot of choices out there, and everyone has an opinion,so maybe you should go to a local shooting range that rents guns to find out what fits you best.

Me, well I just adapt to the gun till it does what I want it to do ;-)

502 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:20:17pm

#487 Aladin Sane
I've had my Buckmark for almost 20 years now. I love it. Although it feels like a toy when I'm shooting all the pistols in the house.

503 brent  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:20:46pm

Did anyone hear this yet, know who this is?

Linda Foley (USA), President of The Newspaper Guild

I saw a clip of her tonite, basically giving Vernon Eason's speech - US Military is targeting newsmen, news organizations (in Iraq) - especially Arab newspeople?

It was probably the most disgusting thing I've heard all year - makes the NewsWeak story seem almost tame.

Just me?

504 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:21:25pm

#xxx Gun Nuts

LOL, no consensus to be reached here tonight! LOL

Like talking 'bout the Home-run Champ, or the "Greatest Boxer of All Time"...

I may be somewhat prejudiced against Ruger firearms...

just always thought it was the Japanese pronunciation of Luger...

/Daisy Red Ryder trainee

505 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:21:52pm

hous bin pharteen (#453),

I second J.D. the Link Goddess, great link.

506 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:22:41pm

Thank God I'm an American.

Caste spat over school puddings

PATNA, India (Reuters) - Indian officials are investigating reports villagers in one of the most backward states stopped a school giving lunch to its students because lower caste Dalits, or untouchables, cooked the desserts.
507 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:23:00pm

#492 rightasrain

Not to worry - TFK's posts resemble the DTs. :-)

I was once commended here because I spelled Kyrgyzstan correctly while I was hammered (see, I did it again!). That boy ain't right!

508 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:24:34pm

brent (#503),

Link?

509 whiterasta  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:24:51pm

...."Muslim World Largely Anti-American.."

They should have added: "Americans and Civilized World largely anti-muslim.."

510 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:25:36pm

507- reaganite

But can you pronounce it correctly?

511 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:25:43pm

#491 former demo

Nice merlot.

I'm pounding beer. He only shows up during the day when I can't post from work.

Come out, come out, wherever you are...
:)

512 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:27:47pm

#504 mongoose

Now that just aint right! I thought I liked you :-)

513 jlfintx  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:27:58pm

I wish they would target them. Whatever happened to patriotism and putting your country first. I just can't take this shit much longer.

514 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:28:01pm

#510 tankdemon

But can you pronounce it correctly?

Hah! I even learned how to ask for beer in Russian while I was there!

515 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:28:23pm

....be vawy, vawy quiet!.....I'm hunting wabbit!

/TFK

516 GeeWiz  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:28:32pm

#100 Skippy Moment

Zombie, Iron Fist, and others have said this many times and I find myself agreeing with them more and more, that there is a civil war a-brewing in this country, and it's going to be anything but civil.

Sorry to be so late to this thread, work and all.

Skippy, I have been saying this for years. I am amazed by how long the slow burning fuse the right has. The left has been pissing me off for many years. For the left to suck up to the [bigoted word]s and blame the Bush admin. for the Newsweak fiasco is soooo over the top. I'm still waiting for the right to take the gloves off. The left has had them off since the 60's. As I told my kids, my parents often told me that they envied me for the things that I would see and experience during my life. I never once said that to my three children.

517 whiterasta  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:28:50pm

reaganite:

Dude, you are the best. I'm so happy to see you here again.

Welcome back. Respect, Respect.

I wish I could buy you a bottle of Laphroig or Appleton Gold.

518 brent  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:28:51pm

I can't find the speech, but here's a classic quote

The Pentagon’s report on the shelling at the Palestine Hotel, wrote TNG-CWA President Linda Foley, “has been inadequate and unconvincing, raising more questions than it resolved


Foley - Targeting Journalists

519 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:29:01pm

#510 tankdemon
And Ann says not to mention my tattoo that says "shut up, bitch" in Russian!

520 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:01pm

#507 reaganite

wow! I didn't know there WAS a correct spelling...just a kinda nasal/gutteral pronunciation...

/(sp on gutteral?)

521 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:15pm

Oh ma God!@

Someone knows about Laphroaig?!

How cool!

522 KarmiCommunist  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:17pm

Has anyone here ever tried to shoot at a 'Zig Zag' (Western word, not the Eastern) target moving towards you, without the help of some serious Military Technology? Probably not, if you are reading this...

523 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:42pm

How about Lagavulin?....even better!

524 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:42pm

mongoose (#504),

Daisy Red Ryder trainee

Was at a friends house and we watched a special (on the Outdoor Channel possibly) about the Daisy.

Did you know the original Daisy air gun was originally a sales gimmick offered as a gift from a windmill company?

The windmill company went out of business, but the Daisy lived on.

525 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:30:49pm

Well, she is heavily involved in union leadership

Linda Foley, president of The Newspaper Guild-Communications Workers

secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO Department for Professional Employees,

Vice Pres. of the Communications Workers of America.

526 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:31:35pm

#515 eschew_obfuscation

....be vawy, vawy quiet!.....I'm hunting wabbit!

Let me fix that...

,,,,be vay, vwy queet!.....1?m huntig wabit!?,,,

527 rightymouse  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:32:03pm

#450 eschew_obfuscation

Karmi's a "GDFIWNCATHTCWTHR"

LOL! I can only imagine!


Mine should be easier for Karmi: "DOABYAFI". AND Karmi gets a decoder ring if the charmer gets it right. I'll even throw in a tin-foil hat if that would make it more of an incentive for Karmi.

528 former demo  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:32:14pm

#511 Ann,
OK, I'll switch to beer next and then will probably be too addled to even type!

Karmi won't be back - she/he went off to safety in DUmmie land most likely.

Back on topic - my nephew gave a preso yesterday at an international conference on biomatics at MIT and I'll ask him about the moonbat presence on campus. He hates moonbats....

529 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:33:10pm

#526 reaganite 5/18/2005 06:31PM PDT
#515 eschew_obfuscation

....be vawy, vawy quiet!.....I'm hunting wabbit!
Let me fix that...

,,,,be vay, vwy queet!.....1?m huntig wabit!?,,,

ROTFLOL!

Thanks!....I need an editor to make my posts more readable!

530 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:33:27pm

#517 whiterasta
Thanks dude.

I wish I could buy you a bottle of Laphroig or Appleton Gold.

Next time you see a GI, just tell them "thank you". We're all in this together.

531 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:34:03pm

#526 reaganite

Let me fix that...

,,,,be vay, vwy queet!.....1?m huntig wabit!?,,,

ROTFL! :)

532 whiterasta  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:34:10pm

..."Someone knows about Laphroaig?!.."

Dang, I spelled it wrong. I can't spell, but I know how to drink.

I'd still buy reaganite a bottle of it.

533 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:34:17pm

#512 Robert D

sorry if I said somethin' politically incorrect.
I seem to do that more than Bill Maher...
no offense intended...

534 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:34:20pm

Fortunately, September 11 2001 provided an almost limitless supply of these banners on every street corner, and subsequent manipulation of these events to commit further mass murder for political gain provided a moral imperative to protest.

I just reread what Charles had in bold type.

Did he steal the flags from the streets?

Sure sounds like it.

535 wtc394  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:34:54pm

Is Ruger a bad name in guns ?
No, but it's a great name for a German Sheppard, you should see the looks when I call him to heel... "Ruger, here" you should see them duck and cover.
My fav. colt .380, small, some +p's w/ hollow points would get the point across.

536 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:35:32pm

#520 mongoose

wow! I didn't know there WAS a correct spelling...just a kinda nasal/gutteral pronunciation...

Unless Natalia (our interpretor) was around, we just called it Kyrgy land!

537 brent  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:35:41pm

Another Foley quote (I especially like the "not just the US" line:

Another trend that needs to be reversed is the targeting of journalists. they have become a target from the right of the political spectrum. They are blamed for many ills they just report on. We have to be careful we don't fall into that trap. What is happening in media is not the fault of individual journalists. What's wrong is the systematic corporate disillusion of what we know is credible reporting and journalism.

Journalists are not just being targeted politically and verbally, but for real, in places like Iraq. There's not enough outrage towards the blatant kiling of journalists in Iraq. Not just from the US, but other countries, especially Arab countries, targeting and blowing up their studios with impunity. It takes the heat off the media conglomerates who are the heart of the problem.

538 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:36:11pm

#526 reaganite

That is as they say PRICELESS!

539 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:36:23pm

reaganite-

I was able to parrot a few of the sounds they use in Macedonia, which for the life of me have gone AWOL. I was able to at least match sounds to scribbles with the cyrillic alphabet.

540 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:36:53pm

#526 reaganite

I think you've had enough...

Someone please drive reaganite home, oh and Ann too. ;-)

541 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:38:01pm

#529 eschew_obfuscation

Thanks!....I need an editor to make my posts more readable!

Really, it's the random puntuation that makes it special!

542 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:38:19pm

474 Reaganite

Hilarious. I give it a 9.5, only because you neglected the caps lock key. ;)

543 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:40:33pm

#524 Geepers

LOL, haven't seen that, my experience with Daisy's comes only from childhood advertisements in Boy's Life, ownership at that time, (giving away my age, LOL), the movie "A Christmas Story", and happy memories of not putting anyone's eye out.

/not ONE friend blinded yet!

544 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:40:39pm

#533 mongoose

Hey! I was smiling when I said that :-) Now, about mentioning Bill Maher....

545 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:41:37pm

cn'ta?,,,use CAPSLOCK!,,makee eeerth flaaat!,,/

546 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:42:07pm

#538 Robert D

That is as they say PRICELESS!

Thanks amn, alcohol helps...

#539 tankdemon

I was able to parrot a few of the sounds they use in Macedonia, which for the life of me have gone AWOL.

I forgot most of it, but I can still ask for beer(s)!

#540 skippyMoment

I think you've had enough...

I hve 4 more days of leave, thank you very much! :-Þ

547 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:42:53pm

543 mongoose

/not ONE friend blinded yet!

I note with curiosity the seeming reluctance to mention the eyes of enemies.

Please do tell....

548 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:43:05pm

#540 skippyMoment

oh and Ann too

I'm otay.
*hic*

549 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:44:30pm

#542 Belize042

Hilarious. I give it a 9.5, only because you neglected the caps lock key. ;)

He doesn't always use capslock! Besides,I'm drunk!

550 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:45:32pm

#545 eschew_obfuscation

cn'ta?,,,use CAPSLOCK!,,makee eeerth flaaat!,,/

You got it! Perfect!

551 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:45:37pm

#456 reaganite

Please enjoy your four more days as you see fit. And thank YOU very much.

552 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:47:08pm

#551 Robert D 5/18/2005 06:45PM PDT
#456 reaganite

Please enjoy your four more days as you see fit. And thank YOU very much.

....DITTOS to that!

Double thanks!

553 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:47:51pm

#548 Ann

Friends don't let friends cyber-drive home drunk. ;-)

#546 reaganite

Geeze, you have less than 15 days before you're out, and you want more leave? (I would too!)

554 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:48:04pm

#551 Robert D

Please enjoy your four more days as you see fit. And thank YOU very much.

I have 30 odd days left to take before 1 Aug. I intend to hurt myself!

Thanks dude.

555 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:49:07pm

#546 reaganite

I hve 4 more days of leave, thank you very much! :-Þ

Have fun, reaganite!

Thanks for everything from me, too!

556 whiterasta  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:49:12pm

Reaganite:.."Next time you see a GI,..."

I will, but I see precious few up here in West Froggistan. I see precious few of our own "PeaceKeepers" up here either, now I think about it.
They must all be in the U.N.

Not that I'm dissing our troops, I'm dissing the politicians in the D.N.D. (Department of National Disgrace) who deploy our troops.

Fuckers.

557 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:49:19pm

I know I should go over to thread 1 and be responsible and serious.....but my friend GIN just won't let me.....

558 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:49:58pm

#548 Ann,

Indeed. But I have learned that my bike is allergic to alcohol. And is likely to stay that way.

If I have a BACL, the bitch just sits there. Probably a good thing :-P

559 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:50:07pm

Reaganite:

He doesn't always use capslock! Besides,I'm drunk!

Both good points. Okay, adjust for alcohol, carry the nine, on a scale of ten that gives it....a fourteen? Sh**, that can't be right.

Anyway, enjoy that much-deserved time off.

560 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:50:19pm

#551 Robert D

Please enjoy your four more days as you see fit


Uhh Ohh...

561 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:50:49pm

#552 eschew_obfuscation
It was a life I'm going to miss.

#553 skippyMoment

Geeze, you have less than 15 days before you're out, and you want more leave? (I would too!)

I have 72 days left with about 30 odd days of leave. I think I can make it less than 15 work days left...

562 right wing zephyr  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:50:50pm

I'm in shock and awe over these pics. Hopefully the artists (and those who allowed it to be in the FARKING STUDENT CENTER!)will get to personally understand Shock and Awe.

Unbelievable! Unacceptable.


These ass-clowns are lining up for the guillotine with bright-red smiles on their mugs.

UGH.

563 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:51:33pm

responsible? serious?

I seriously couldn't handle that responsibility. At least when the threads get this long, one can joke around without having to write OT or Now for something completey different before every post.

564 rightymouse  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:52:13pm

#534 Nancy

My very Libertarian and rather "who cares about icons in the larger perspective" husband had tears streaming down his face after 9/11 when we went under a bridge near our home and a man was up there waving a huge US flag. Cars honked their horns and people yelled out of their cars "DAMN STRAIGHT!"

My husband cried and I held him later. That's when I left the Democratic Party and never looked back.

565 Havoc  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:52:19pm

New topic --

Okay help me out here --- was browsing Keeping Score against Al Qaeda -- StrategyPage.com

Who are the Dozen Saudis in OBL's "Golden Chain" and where are they ?

Since the September 11, 2001 attacks, the United States and allies have been hunting down the leadership of al-Qaeda. Among the big fish (the “Board of Directors”), seven are dead and ten are in custody. Four members of the “inner circle” are also in custody. This is 53 percent of the senior leadership for al-Qaeda. Osama bin Laden is still at large, along with Ayman al-Zawahiri (the deputy commander of al-Qaeda) and Abu Mohammed al-Masri (the planner of the attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania). However, five out of the eight training camp commanders are dead or in custody.

Other statistics of note: Eighteen al-Qaeda financiers are dead or in custody. Among those still at large, though, are two of bin Laden’s sisters, two of his brothers-in-law, and a Swiss banker by the name of Ahmed Huber. Huber also has extensive connections with neo-Nazis in Europe. The real financial resource for al-Qaeda remains untouched – the dozen or so Saudis who are called the “Golden Chain.” All are at large, and all can still provide enough resources for bin Laden to regroup and strike again.

Al-Qaeda’s military committee has also been decimated.

566 mongoose  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:52:23pm

#547 tankdemon

LOL, well, didn't really have any enemies in 1959,at the age of 8...but I did manage to ricochet a BB into my friend's arm...off a telephone pole...

Mom was right.

567 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:53:16pm

#561 reaganite

What can I say, it's the new math, that or the California school system. ;-)

568 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:53:53pm

#530 reaganite

Next time you see a GI, just tell them "thank you". We're all in this together.

Absolutely!

Last year, I was visiting a friend and we went to the movies.

We saw some guys from the base that sends a lot of combat troops to the Middle East.

We thanked them profusely.

We told them "You are our heroes."

569 MikalM  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:54:04pm

#525

Figures she'd be highly ranked in the CWA. That particular union has been run by the extreme left for DECADES.

570 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:55:06pm

aladin sane/eschew_/reaganite- The first step I have used with dozens of people arming themselves for the first time, is to decide if you are really going to spend the time to be proficient. If that's not realistic, don't get a semi-auto, as you can get in trouble real-time fast. Next, go to a Gun Show, and only look at quality manufactured products, and put them in your hand. If it doesn't feel good the first time, it never will, unless you are experienced enough to know what kind of after-market grips work for you. Then, choose the round. I own a dozen handguns, from .22's to .45, and my 1911a1 clone is by far my favorite. It sleeps beside my bed in Condition 3, with a 230grain Federal Hydra-Shok in the chamber. The advantage to a big slow .45 in combat/defense use is that it is subsonic, and won't shatter your eardrums if you have to torch one off in an enclosed area. I like the grip angle of the Colt 1911a1, and the short trigger creep. I don't like the same things about the Glock, and won't even consider a Sig, because I won't buy anything from Germany after Iraqi Freedom. One new handgun you should all check-out, is the XD by Springfield Armory, it has the grip angle of the Colt, the trigger style of the Glock, and numerous other features, as well as being very affordable, and they have brand new hi-cap mags. The myth of the .45 being inaccurate, started in the 60's, when the WWII .45's were still in service and were completely ragged-out. Ammo has changed dramatically in recent years, you should check the RBCD Performance website. I got some for my 9"barreled .44Mag, and they are most impressive.

571 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:55:31pm

#563 tankdemon 5/18/2005 06:51PM PDT
responsible? serious?

I seriously couldn't handle that responsibility. At least when the threads get this long, one can joke around without having to write OT or Now for something completey different before every post.

Oh, good!....so we can stay here an' talk 'bout guns, & boobs, & bikes & sh*t?!

O.K....here goes...I've got a Kawasaki Drifter 1500....(no boobs, no guns)...what's in your wallet?

572 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:57:50pm

#498 reaganite

I know the Model 1 Ruger is accurate. I once saw a guy shoot an elk with one (.270) 7 times before killing it.

Heh heh. All shots hit the elk.

573 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:57:52pm

#560 Ann

I am assuming that he will clear his plans with you? I hope.. Ohhh NNOOO!

574 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:57:59pm

#567 skippyMoment

What can I say, it's the new math, that or the California school system. ;-)

#559 Belize042 has the idea!

#568 rightasrain

We told them "You are our heroes."

Early last year I was at a class in Maryland. We were (14 GIs from services) eating lunch at a local diner. When we asked for our bills we were told "you checks were already paid".

It feels really good.

575 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:58:47pm

#558 Iron Fist
No, we are not going anywhere, except to watch the back of our eyelids for about 8 hours!

576 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 4:58:50pm

#570 no2liberals 5/18/2005 06:55PM PDT

Hey, thanks for the info!

I saved your post for future reference!

577 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:00:30pm

#570 no2liberals

One new handgun you should all check-out, is the XD by Springfield Armory, it has the grip angle of the Colt, the trigger style of the Glock, and numerous other features, as well as being very affordable, and they have brand new hi-cap mags.

I own an XD-40, just don't use the front rail! The frame is too flexy to clamp anything to it!

578 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:01:06pm

Yes, go ahead, I will punch the blanche cartes for anybody who needs it. If I get banned by Charles for it, I will bring my overwhelming intellect to DU and you will all be sorry.

579 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:01:57pm

I guess I don't feel so sorry for this student.
Joseph Barillari has a link and picture showing a poster and speculates whether the artist may be a member of the group of "Resisters."

MIT Refuse & Resist!
To find out more, contact us at resisters@mit.edu..We look forward to hearing from you.
--the resisters
We are a vocal active group dedicated to resisting attacks on human rights in the U.S. In particular, we are working on issues of reproductive rights, police brutality, prisoners' rights, immigrants' rights, gay rights, and political prisoners (especially Mumia Abu-Jamal.) Our emphasis is more on action than discussion.
We collaborate with many groups in the Boston area. [Link: www.mit.edu...]
Which is a chapter of a national group:
Refuse & Resist!
Diverse national membership organization, whose mission is to build a climate,
culture and community of resistance to political and social repression in all ...
[Link: www.refuseandresist.org...] - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
Which just happens to have an artists network.
Artists Network of Refuse & Resist!
Refuse and Resist. last updated 05.15.2005 for archived news go to NEWS section.
Araby Digs ... Conversation between Art Spiegelman and Marjane Satrapi ...
[Link: www.artistsnetwork.org...] - 16k - May 17, 2005 [Link: www.artistsnetwork.org...]
The artists which you can see here
[Link: www.artistsnetwork.org...]

Here's just another example of one of the MIT Refuse and Resist posters:
ViolenceViolence that target civilians. This tragedy reminds us of theimpact of US policies on civilians in other lands. of Arab descent or of the Muslim religion. We should not, however, let our government use this under the false pretext of ensuring national security. Our government's response must bring those this country will no longer target civilians. This meansan end to sanctions against Iraq and Cuba, and an end to all military aid to countries like Israel, Columbiaand Turkey.
Let us seek an end to the militarization that hascharacterized this nation for decades. Let us seek a world in which security is gained through disarmament, international cooperation, and social justice, not through escalation and retaliation. MIT Refuse & Resist email resisters@mit.edu
PROTECT FREE SPEECH: PROTECT THIS POSTER. -- PROTECT FREE SPEECH: WRITE YOUR OWN -- [Link: web.mit.edu...]

580 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:02:01pm

#572 Orson Buggy

I know the Model 1 Ruger is accurate. I once saw a guy shoot an elk with one (.270) 7 times before killing it.

No wonder it was 7 times! A .270 is very lower limit for elk.

581 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:03:31pm

#573 Robert D

I am assuming that he will clear his plans with you?


Plans? What plans?

582 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:04:34pm

#570 no2liberals,

You ought to think blade as well. I don't know about your State, but you can't carry a gun in a bar, restaurant, or any place else that sells alcohol in my State even if you have a permit.

I can carry my Harpy legally pretty much everywhere except a courtroom, although some of the clubs I hang at don't allow knives.

That means hide it :-)

583 ciaospirit  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:04:49pm

#360 metal man

Nice.

584 razorbacker  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:06:02pm

Regarding comment #59: What kind of job do you think he might be qualified for? It's clear that the boy has been educated way above his abilities.

585 MikalM  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:08:04pm

#579 Nancy

Refuse and Resist! was founded and is run by the Revolutionary Communist Party, who are unregenerate Stalinist/Maoists. Even other hard leftists consider the RCP a demented personality cult, with head honcho Bob Avakian a sort of Lyndon LaRouche of campus moonbattery.

586 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:08:52pm

Hello, Hello, Hello?......Is there anybody in there?.....just nod if you can hear me...

/Pink Floyd

587 Orson Buggy  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:09:12pm

#580 reaganite

I tried to tell him he needed an .06 LOL

588 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:11:20pm

eschew- no prob, glad to help a bud. Just remember, autos have lots of controls, and can malfunction at the worst times. It takes practice, lots and lots of practice to manipulate the controls and clear jams.

reaganite- when did you get your XD-40? I think they addressed that, and the XD in .45GAP seems to be a little beefier than the 9's I looked at.

No sh***er on the RBCD Perormance ammo, they have pics on how each round performs.

589 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:12:11pm

#587 Orson Buggy

I tried to tell him he needed an .06 LOL

At least! Getting through the shoulder bone needs a heavy bullet.

590 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:13:19pm

#581 Ann

Them are the best plans! Enjoy....

591 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:14:32pm

#575 Ann,

{Ann}

Y'all have fun:-)

592 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:15:11pm

#588 no2liberals

reaganite- when did you get your XD-40? I think they addressed that, and the XD in .45GAP seems to be a little beefier than the 9's I looked at.

I got it last summer. I put a laser on it a few months ago. Finally shot it with the laser on and took it back off.

I don't recommend anything on the frame rail of an XD.

593 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:15:18pm

For home protection I recommend a first line of warning signs, followed by a perimeter of claymore mines, then a series of tank traps and ditches spiked with poison pungi sticks, after that a circle of reinforced concrete bunkers with overlapping line-of-site machine gun placements and finally a phalanx of trained guard dogs supported by infrared motion sensors and trip wire alarms.

594 Cartman  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:15:19pm

#524 Geeps

Did you know the original Daisy air gun was originally a sales gimmick offered as a gift from a windmill company?

Got one for my birthday when I turned nine. Almost put my cousin's eye out with it. Wasn't intentional (although he was kinda geeky and we didn't get along) but I do remember that the incident produced one of the worst arse-whoopins my Pop ever administered. I suppose I'm a better man for it, it the long run. D-;)

/ouch

595 Cartman  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:17:50pm

Geeps ~ I'd also mix in a Rot or a Pit for extra measure. ;)

/ruff...ruff

596 Nancy  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:18:31pm

585 MikalM
#579 Nancy

That explains their rabid ranting anti-American sentiment.

On Joseph Barillari site, he had one of their posters and he was wondering if the artist might be a member of the group.

Since it appears they have an Artists Network --which I noticed included the original Chicago Flag on the Floor art student --Dread Scott.

597 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:18:54pm

#593 Geepers,

Damn, man, no moat full of gasoline? No Bouncin' Bettys?

Wimp.

;-P

598 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:19:27pm

#593 Geepers

For home protection I recommend a first line of warning signs, followed by a perimeter of claymore mines, then a series of tank traps and ditches spiked with poison pungi sticks, after that a circle of reinforced concrete bunkers with overlapping line-of-site machine gun placements and finally a phalanx of trained guard dogs supported by infrared motion sensors and trip wire alarms.

Look, not all of us live in condos, what about those of us with yards?

599 Ann  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:19:54pm

#590 Robert D

Enjoy....

Thanks!

All, and any time to have is good! There is never enough of it...

600 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:22:09pm

Ann, says I'm gross...

601 reaganite  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:24:10pm

Nah, she didn't really, she was talking about my metal parts.

602 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:24:47pm

Geeps-

To be really safe at home you could move to the the secret lair beneath the Denver airport.

Personall I would have started with a deadbolt and maybe a couple of motion sensors. And those claymores have to be watched too much so you can set them off at the right time.

603 Stop Hillary  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:26:18pm

That makes me want to go out and riot and injure those guilty of "flag desecration". I'm sure that the LLL and the MSM will understand because they condone and support it when the Koran (a holy book to the MSM) is desecrated.

604 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:26:41pm

#582-iron fist
Oh yeah! Gotta have an edge. I wear a necklace knife, it's a Timberline Mini Pit Bull, the joke with my friends is "don't make me open my shirt". In addition, I carry a Gerber skeleton frame folder with a pocket clip. I do those things for reasons you and I and afew others understand, but for one other very important reason. I once had to watch a man burn alive in an overturned car, and he couldn't get out of his belt. I swore that day, that I would never get in a car again without a sharp knife. A little over a year ago, a 21yr old man had the same thing happen and witnesses said they heard him scream for help. In a serious crash, often the force on the belt breaks the release device in the harness buckle.

605 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:26:45pm

Iron Fist (#597),

Some of us are on a budget. :-)

606 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:30:47pm

#597 Iron Fist

Fist, don't throw those tennis balls at Geepers! Don't even teach him that game, we like Geepers, and if he burns his hands, he won't be able to type! ;-)

607 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:33:14pm

#604 no2liberals,

100%. One of the reasons I carry the Harpy is it will go through a seat-belt like a hot knife through butter. It was designed for rescue workers.

That it is also an effective weapon is just gravy :-)

608 MikalM  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:36:16pm

#607 IF

Where can I get a Harpy?

609 no2liberals  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:36:17pm

#607-iron fist
Ummm, graaavy.

610 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:37:44pm

H [ouch] i [ouch]

S [ouch] k [ouch] i [ouch] p [ouch] p [ouch] y

611 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:40:59pm

#610 Geepers

Potato Peels!
Wrap those burned digits in potato peels!
Takes the heat out of the burns, and the starch aids and speeds the healing.

Poor Geepers! :-(
Shall I pour you another fresh squeezed vodka?

612 ErnieG  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:42:22pm

Where can I get a Harpy?

613 witchywoman  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:42:57pm

I haven't read any of the comments, just had to say that there's no surprise here.

The east coast intellectual effete elite
who sit around in their ivory towers and make pronouncements on "art", science (who think they are supermen, afterall they do play with the building blocks of material matter, always devising something new and better(I was there, I met them and found them to know a lot of facts but couldn't connect the dots, without a smidgen of common sense),
who live life in their smallpointy heads
mutually masterb*ting congratulations,
who live a privileged life of narcicistic nihilsm in their ivory towers, who have fearful hearts, who think that our country, symbolized by this flag is evil, think that my country,my friends and family, my ancestors who gave their lives and shed their blood to protect the people of this country WHOSE SYMBOL is our FLAG so that these spoiled, snot nosed kids could have the freedom to express their complete and utter contempt for the society and culture that gave them the opportunity to litter the highway of life with such garbage drives me crazy!

But touch the holymoly book of war and these same sad children will have a fit. They best be careful or their karma will put them right where they protest they want to be.

Rant over.

614 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:44:01pm
 


#593

Geepers  5/18/2005 07:15PM PDT

For home protection I recommend a first line of warning signs, followed by a perimeter of claymore mines, then a series of tank traps and ditches spiked with poison pungi sticks, after that a circle of reinforced concrete bunkers with overlapping line-of-site machine gun placements and finally a phalanx of trained guard dogs supported by infrared motion sensors and trip wire alarms.

hey... you scoped out my place....

615 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:44:19pm

#608 MikalM,

I got mine off of ebay for a little less, but this is a pretty good price for a Harpy.

I think I paid $60 even. It is a sweet knife. Absolutely nasty if you know what to do with it.

And 100% legal most places. Check your local laws before you carry, though.

Always stay legal.

616 Simple Voice  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:45:43pm

#516 Gee Wiz

Dennis Prager has said for years that we ALREADY are in a civil war. He calls it a war of values.
He constantly is asking whose values will shape the future of our country: Judeo/Christian values or the Secular left/European values?

617 Iron Fist  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:45:47pm

#612 ErnieG,

Heh :-P

618 Your Favorite Martian  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:46:18pm

There were a few typo's in the text. I fixed them.


(Defaced) Flags
These were the confluence of two separate (asinine pranks) - one to dye flags black, in order to (deface) these (beloved) icons, and the other to use (symbols my fellow citizens care about) as a medium for (my puerile) messages, in order to (be an asshole). Fortunately, September 11 2001 (spurred my fellow citizens to provide) an almost limitless supply of these banners on every street corner, and (our government's response to this) event, (carrying the fight to the perpetrators) for (military and strategic) gain provided a (simplistic rationale for further asinine ")protest("). Unfortunately, many variants of the flags (resisted my cowardly vandalism); I therefore saved the (more successfully vandalized) ones for their (tendency to offend others), and applied lettering to the fainter ones. I made several slogans, wearing and carrying them in protests in (the city that suffered thousands of civilian caualties) and (the city that offered as Commander-in-Chief a traitorious coward). My goal was to (offend as many people as possible with) the visual effect of the (defaced) flag(s), but then to (be able to disavow my disrespect for the vitims of my childish displays) by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly (churlish), forcing (my unwilling audience (without regard to their roles or experiences)) to pause (in dusgust and dismay) and query whether or not they truly understood (how childish those like myself are) and agreed or disagreed with (rare but judicious application of citizen fist power).

619 centaur  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:46:53pm

Don't have time for the whole thread, but hello LGFers. This student sure is mentally stunted, woefully unoriginal, and I'm sure so bored out of his skull with his empty life that that big, deep spiritual void inside has been filled with all manner of nonsensible claptrap. He's evidently talentless too.

I drove down Rt. 2 Illinois the other day and saw that great "Black Hawk" sculpture overlooking the Rock River -- that's art -- that's thought provoking -- Lorado Taft must be turning in his grave.

Good night.

620 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:46:55pm
 #578

tankdemon  5/18/2005 07:01PM PDT

Yes, go ahead, I will punch the blanche cartes for anybody who needs it.

what's a blanche cartes?

621 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:48:25pm

skippyMoment,

Shall I pour you another fresh squeezed vodka?

Yes thank you, directly into my mouth. :-)

Glad you got your troublesome µprocessor straightened out.

622 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:48:30pm

618 My Favorite Martian

How cool! You are my favorite Martian....

623 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:51:05pm

#621 Geepers

Okay, here goes... open wide, and should I stop before or after the gurgling noises?

#622 Amalie

Evening {bubbles}!

624 Amalie  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:52:32pm
 


#521

eschew_obfuscation  5/18/2005 06:30PM PDT

Oh ma God!@


Someone knows about Laphroaig?!

There is a little cult following..

625 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 5:59:51pm

Sheesh skippyMoment, stop, are you trying to knock my speedos off?

Like I don't have enough troubles. ;-)

626 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:03:12pm

#625 Geepers

I would never try to get you drunk to take advantage of you. Never! [crosses fingers behind back] ;-)

Oh, and are those new speedos?

627 GeeWiz  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:03:14pm

#616 Simple Voice

My only hope is that Americans wake up to the threat we are facing. My fear is thaat the MSM has convinced them to go on with their lives like nothing has happened. That, I believe is the most dangerous and traitorus(sp) crime the MSM has committed. G-D help us and our children.

628 tankdemon  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:04:59pm

619-
I haven't seen that statue in over 20 years, back when I was a lad in the boy scouts. That is art, and a real pleasure for us to see because it was the lunch break spot on our hike that day.

620-
Carte- card
Blanche- Blank
Usually stated as carte blanche, meaning free to do anything.

629 Your Favorite Martian  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:05:47pm

#622 Amalie 5/18/2005 07:48PM PDT

618 My Favorite Martian

How cool! You are my favorite Martian....


{blushing, looking at shoes, and kicking a rock)

630 Robert D  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:08:09pm

#620 Amalie

Blanche Cartes must be par boiled carts. I thought you knew how to cook. Sheesh...

631 Geepers  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:11:10pm

skippyMoment,

Oh, and are those new speedos?

Why yes, yes they are. Thanks for noticing. ;-)

632 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:11:25pm

Did someone steal Reaganite's speedos?

633 Belize042  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:14:41pm

620 Amalie

Carte blanche translates either as "blank check," or "Blanche is on the wagon."

#629 Your Favorite Martian

{blushing, looking at shoes, and kicking a rock)

It's like it f***ing rains rocks here, lately. (Looks pointedly at Amalie)

634 skippyMoment  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:16:38pm

#631 Geepers

They do wonders for your *ahem* tushie [blush] but that wasn't me looking, really, I wasn't looking.

#632 Sarah D.

Hi Sarah! [waves across the internet]

Um, don't let Ann catch you with reaganite's speedo... she may not believe you found it laying by the moat hot tub.

635 Gabba Gabba Hey  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:17:02pm

Whether or not the "artist" understands and agrees or disagrees, I say: "Phuck off already."

636 Sarah D.  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:17:52pm

Hey Skippy bay-bee!

Naw, she knows me....I'm not a speedo stealer!

637 southernms.  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:36:50pm

I must say ther is nothing creative or original about this kind of "art". It is actually boring. It neither inspires or demands anything from the viewer. Doesn't anyone remember the 60's. Been there, done that, PLEASE move on. Find something else to desecrate. Something new and different. Suggestions anyone.

638 GeeWiz  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:37:59pm

This is what scares me the most in the WOT. In WWII, we needed to re-tool our industrial base to produce arms. We suceeded and defeated our enemies (Germany and later Japan). Japan proved to be the greater threat since they were motivated not by a fanatical leader but by a "religious belief that their leader was G-D". It took an atomic bomb, not one but two. to convince them they were wrong about their beliefs.

The war we now face, is against a similar religious fanactical enemy. The MSM in this country has provided our enemy with support and sympathy for their sufferings. The enemy can subject us to "suicide bombers"(kamakazie) attacks and provide us with justifications for their response.

This is not a war of military prowess, but a war of ideals. The MSM doesn't get it. The LLL's don't get it. I hope the rest of us get it before it's too late.

639 Jakester  Wed, May 18, 2005 6:42:13pm

This is not art, it's crap! Art requires skill and time and produces beauty. This is juvenile agitprop for ugly artless pygmies. Actually the average pygmy is more artisitic than these ambulatory colostomy bags!

640 Zender  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:01:45pm

Yeah, I knew lotsa kids like him when I was back at school .....

He's just ten pounds of bullshit in a five-pound bag.

Meaningless and insecure, therefore arrogant and pompous.

It gives off a stream of odiferous gas, farting hard to be heard.

Forget him.

641 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:07:47pm

#639 Jakester

...these ambulatory colostomy bags

LMAO!

I would imagine that some MIT alums would stop giving to the university, but they're too busy waiting in line for Episode III.

My hope is that someone will break in, steal the flags, and burn them, destroying them in a reverent manner.

642 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:09:00pm

#4 WWtW

Another nail in NPR's coffin.

643 Stop Hillary  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:10:35pm

#627 Gee Wiz -- "My only hope is that Americans wake up to the threat we are facing. My fear is thaat the MSM has convinced them to go on with their lives like nothing has happened. That, I believe is the most dangerous and traitorus(sp) crime the MSM has committed. G-D help us and our children."

It could come soon enough for we and our children to see it. If it's just our children, the one thing you can do now is to educate your children in the true meaning and intent of the Second Amendment. It is a political right and the foundation of all the other political rights that we treasure. It is not a "sporting license" as the MSM and the DNC would like you to believe. Our Founders did not trifle to revolt against the greatest power on Earth at that time for the sole purpose of establishing hunting clubs. Teach your children to respect that Right and, most importantly, to carry the burden of responsibility that comes with the Right. Encourage them to exercise their Second Amendment Rights often. It is as great an investment in their freedom that you are empowered to make and as important as any other that you might choose to make.

644 Apu Pibat  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:16:25pm

"Flags promote the common misconception that US citizens have the right to free speech.”

So I take it the "artist" is in prison somewhere or has been executed?

Not bloody likely.

Only in America, the one country on Earth that will protect you as you try to destroy it.

645 GeeWiz  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:17:45pm

#643 Stop Hillary

AMEMN!

646 urthshu  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:19:28pm

Nothing to get riled about. It's only art for other artists. So what, big deal.

647 Stop Hillary  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:22:35pm

#641 Ward Cleaver -- "My hope is that someone will break in, steal the flags, and burn them, destroying them in a reverent manner."

MIT used to attract the most inventive and outrageous engineering minds that could pull a stunt like that off flawlessly and do something positive with the flags to flaunt their success. That was the old MIT. MIT today recruits Dhimmis and, my apologies folks, but pure pussi*s, wimps that toe the DNC line and cannot think for themselves.

It has become a LLL indoctrination camp, as have the Ivy's. Take heart that for all the hard work of the boards, the administrations, and the faculty of the Ivys, they aren't really gaining much traction with their student bodies. Sure the most reactionary of the recruited students are vocal, but the rest of them really aren't seriously committed to the "cause". The bravest of the contrarians are fighting, like the Jewish students at Columbia. The rest are tolerating the bullshit force-fed to them, but I don't think they are buying it.

I have to believe that there is a huge market to mined out there for a handful of courageous academic institutions that will promote themselves as true centers of free thought, expression and inquiry. They and their students will grow and prosper. The Ivys will rot from within and ulitimately be devoured by, well, the Ivy that cloaks them.

648 GeeWiz  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:26:18pm

Get REAL. Get with the real world!

649 Edouard  Wed, May 18, 2005 7:43:07pm

My goal was to attract strong initial attention from the visual effect of the lettered flag, but then to act as a challenge by having the slogans be slightly ambiguous and more than slightly provocative, forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed.

Anyone who thinks such a monumentally pretentious sentence is actually worth presenting seriously to the public is a phony.

This is one of the most ridiculous and overblown sentences I have ever read, truly.

"I settled on the porcelain edifice, emitted a physical byproduct of a brown nature which I will designate as "Plop", and hoped that others in that public lavatory, upon their strong initial reaction upon hearing the auditory creation would pause to query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with the "Plop" that was being expressed."

650 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, May 18, 2005 8:12:00pm

Contrast this little prick's attitude toward our country with that of a bunch of little Girl Scouts at camp in 1968:

We would raise the flag every morning and lower it every evening (BEFORE sunset, peeps) with solemn ceremony and color guard. We were told NEVER to let the flag touch the ground; this would desecrate it. One evening a girl let her corner of the flag drop. She was in tears; we were aghast. The counselors informed us we would have to either burn or bury the flag--you accord Old Glory the honor you would to a person's body.

The next day we performed the ceremony: cutting the flag carefully into strips, and the stars out of the blue field. All the camp was there, of course, about 100 kids. For each stripe, the name of the original colony was spoken and the stripe laid on the fire. For each star, the name of the state. The field of blue for honor. We pledged allegiance to the flag as it burned, and buried the ashes afterwards at the foot of the flagpole.

Still brings tears to my eyes, all these years later, thinking of the love and respect we girls had for our flag and country. We took it damned seriously, too; no snickering or horsing around.

And it still bothers me when folks leave the flag out after dark and in the rain and snow. Bad flag etiquette.

651 bluebonnet[deleted]  Wed, May 18, 2005 10:05:48pm
652 Hari Seldon  Wed, May 18, 2005 10:13:07pm

what a dumb F***, I am ashamed to be in the same age group as this trash bag.

OT

just saw the new star wars at midnite...quite a good moive i must say (not all that anti bush..unless your some nutbag who thinks bush wants to take over the country in which case yes it is)

653 rightasrain  Wed, May 18, 2005 10:15:35pm

#652 Hari Seldon

just saw the new star wars at midnite...quite a good moive i must say

Good to hear! I'm going to see it Thursday evening (tonight.)

654 Techie  Thu, May 19, 2005 5:28:24am

I'm an incoming graduate student at MIT this fall. Don't think that this will go unchallenged if pulled whilst I'm around.

655 soccermom  Thu, May 19, 2005 5:53:06am

From US Flag Code (4 US Code 1):

"Section 8: Respect for Flag:(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."

[Link: suvcw.org...]

656 LemonJoose  Thu, May 19, 2005 6:06:34am

#39:
In the end this is what separates us from uncivilised people. Hopefully we are smart enough to know that the ideas and values symbolized by physical objects like out national flag and the Bible cannot be destroyed merely by defacing the physical object itself. If the intent of the artist was to express hatred for America, he has succesfully done that, but he has done no harm to the spirit of America which remains forever sheltered in our hearts and minds. Let them destroy every American flag if they like. America will live on.

657 LemonJoose  Thu, May 19, 2005 6:08:48am

Sorry for the typos. I fixed it up below.

#39:
In the end this is what separates us from uncivilized people. Hopefully we are smart enough to know that the ideas and values symbolized by physical objects like our national flag and the Bible cannot be destroyed merely by defacing the physical object itself. If the intent of the artist was to express hatred for America, he has successfully done that, but he has done no harm to the spirit of America which remains forever sheltered in our hearts and minds. Let them destroy every American flag if they like. America will live on.

658 doubledip  Thu, May 19, 2005 6:14:05am

forcing viewers (protester and protested alike) to pause and query whether or not they truly understood and agreed or disagreed with what was being expressed

Wonder how many people took more than one second to "pause and query" whether they agreed/disagreed with having "Bin Laden for President". For him or against him....no middle ground to "pause and query" there that I can see.

659 Absoludicrious  Thu, May 19, 2005 12:50:56pm

I'm telling you, by reacting you're giving this guy what he wants. He's probably in stitches over being featured on LGF.

By the way Charles, your comment filter missed a slur. You might, uh, have liberals come in and use anti-Muslims slurs in an attempt to slander you, or something. 'Cos that's clearly what goes on. Right?

660 BabbaZee  Thu, May 19, 2005 1:14:37pm

The way you haunt dead threads you ought to get a job haunting abandoned houses.....

661 Absoludicrious  Thu, May 19, 2005 1:27:43pm

Eh. I don't have lots of time for the interweb, so I'm constantly showing up late for the parties. It's hard to drink heavily, read voraciously, work constantly, and still find time to preach the Gospel.

662 BabbaZee  Thu, May 19, 2005 1:42:57pm

I don't think your gospel and mine come from the same book ;-)

663 Absoludicrious  Thu, May 19, 2005 2:30:20pm

Yeah, well. The gates of ijtihad are closed, or something.


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