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1 Bubble Girl  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:11:54pm

Long... long... day... glad it is over...

2 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:16:33pm

#1 Bubble Girl,

Long... long... day... glad it is over...

It's over? Could have fooled me. :)

3 jwbrown1969  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:16:52pm

Refreshing after the last thead

4 winry-chan  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:17:18pm

Oh!
That is so beautiful...
thalassa, thalassa

5 jwbrown1969  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:17:54pm

Quick question
Are we supposed to comment on the picture or is anything fair game?

6 Bubble Girl  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:18:16pm

PDM @ 2

not for you, buddy... everyone okay?

7 W-lover  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:20:00pm

jwbrown-

Are we supposed to comment on the picture or is anything fair game?

Anything.

8 jwbrown1969  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:21:58pm

Good then I will ask this again:

I have a quick question.
Other than by incoming links how does TTLB Ecosystem rank blogs?

For Example suppose 10 blogs all had 50 inbound link, which one is 1 and 2 and 3 and so on.
I though it was by daily traffic but that cannot be it because many of those ahead of me have fewer daily visit than my blog. I know this is way off topic but I was curious and TTLB won't answer my email.

9 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:22:12pm

#6 Bubble Girl,

The late (broken sleep) shifts are starting, but everyone is doing great.

How are you doing? Enjoying a bit of time off?

10 Boring Family Man  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:23:02pm

This off of Redondo Beach...another beautiful today today here in Southern California.

While the liberal politics here may suck, the weather and the beach almost make you forget you are in the vast liberal laboratory known as Commy-fornuia.

11 jwbrown1969  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:25:33pm

I guess since nobody want to answer I will just go to bed

12 mkultra  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:29:50pm
13 Belize042  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:29:58pm

Oooh, a new thread!

Ahhh, all fresh and clean. Better than hanging one of those pine tree shaped air fresheners over the computer.

14 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:31:13pm
15 W-lover  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:31:51pm

jwbrown-

I guess since nobody want to answer I will just go to bed

I don't think anyone here right now knows the answer. I know I don't.

16 Stuck-in-CA  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:32:11pm

is that Hermosa Beach looking towards Redondo?

17 W-lover  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:35:32pm

OT...

18 jwbrown1969  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:35:45pm

#15
Ok
Well if anybody knows that answer please come over to my blog (click my NIC) and post the answer on the open thread or just email me.
Thanks and good night

19 Boring Family Man  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:37:21pm

#16 Stuck-in-CA 5/21/2005

is that Hermosa Beach lookig towards Redondo?

Yes...to the far right would be the Chart House...out on a boat or the HB pier

20 Infidel Varmint  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:39:34pm

"Calm blue ocean. Calm blue ocean." That's what I chant to myself when trying to come down from a stressful situation. Like, for example, when my toddler learned to pour water from the fridge door. By the time I was able to clean up, about a quart had squirted onto him and our brand new wood floor.

Thanks for the visual. I'll use it for my future chants.

21 gymnast  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:44:49pm

Looks like Oxnard, except for the buildings, so it must be Redondo.

22 Propeller Driven  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:52:51pm

Defiantly Redondo.

23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:53:35pm

Ah, the wonder of nature. Speaking of nature, where's that global warming that the enviro-nuts were screaming about? It's 51 degrees over here in VA Beach.

24 Geepers  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:53:51pm

Thanks Charles.

25 Tony (New Zealand)  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:54:10pm

Oh, look! Educational aids for little Jihad Johnny!

26 Geepers  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:55:48pm

Oh, and one more thing: Thanks Charles.

27 Propeller Driven  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:57:57pm

#25

Tony, that's just wrong. lol

28 SwampWoman  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:57:57pm

Oh, is this the thread for the mellow people? (Geepers excepted.)

29 foreign devil  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:58:13pm

Lovely picture, Charles. I never tire of looking at water--it's always soothing and even photographs that evoke that restlessness, calm the human spirit.

Which brings me to something that didn't calm our spirits at the time--Joan Didion has written a rather long but VERY READABLE piece on what went on last summer behind the scenes in the Terry Schiavo case, including some inside quotes from the principals involved. She pulls no punches in exposing the husband's strange notion, for instance, that he didn't see why her parents would need to be involved any further in her life since he was now making the decisions. She has caught the curious psychopathology of the husband and his appearances on Larry King for instance. She makes some excellent points and if you can stand to read anymore about that case, do it for Terri's sake because when Joan Didion starts pointing out that something's rotten in Denmark [excuse the expression!] and the autopsy reports haven't come out yet...you know there may be charges pending. I hope so. I hope this 'curious' husband doesn't get away with it this time!

30 SwampWoman  Sat, May 21, 2005 9:59:01pm

Tony, how did you KNOW?

31 StarsandStripes  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:01:50pm

OT-I don't know if anyone cares, but three weeks ago MoveOn.org and other liberal media organizations distorted comments that Pat Robertson made about the out-of-control judiciary in the U.S. which got reported everywhere including here on LGF on 5/02/05. MoveOn.org made it appear that Robertson had claimed that federal judges are a more serious threat than Al-Qaeda and Nazi Germany. It was actually Stephanopolus who made those statements (in effect putting words into Robertson's mouth). Robertson simply didn't correct Stephanopolus' misquotation of his book Courting Disaster.

Here's the relevant part of the ABC "This Week" transcript:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

"You've said that Liberals are engaged in an all-out assault on Christianity, that Democrats will appoint judges who don't share our Christian values and will dismantle Christian culture, and that the out-of-control judiciary, and this was in your last book Courting Disaster is the most serious threat America has faced in nearly 400 years of history (this should have a period behind it because this is where Pat’s words in Courting Disaster END AND STEPHANOPOLUS BEGINS) more serious than al Qaeda, more serious than Nazi Germany and Japan, more serious than the Civil War?"

[Link: patrobertson.com...]

[Link: patrobertson.com...] (more info. on the MoveOn.org distortion)

Anyway, I just wanted to set the record straight. That's all.

32 jlfintx  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:01:52pm

I think Charles must be afflicted with insomnia. First post at 7 am and now?

33 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:02:44pm

Actually L.A. City/county. T.G. P 732 Grid D-2. The power plant in the foreground I believe is still operated by the D.W.P. and the one in the background was once SCE's Manhatten Beach Facility before deregulation. I placed some Com structures to that plant back in '92 (D.W.P.) I remember that SCE had twin 60" gas mains that fed their plant. You could stand on the sidewalk on the Grand ave side and feel the ground shake from all of the LNG being fed into the plant.

34 foreign devil  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:06:19pm

Sorry..forgot to give you the link to the Joan Didion piece. Here be link via WorldNetDaily and nybooks:

[Link: www.nybooks.com...]

"...On the day Theresa Schiavo finally died it seemed clear that the unthinkable question could for the time being remain unthought. Freed of the need to avoid confronting the presence of an actual moral dilemma, all sides could reassume their usual fencing positions. All sides could imagine that by exposing the errors of the opposition, they had advanced the public dialogue. "This is going to be an all-out culture war," someone said enthusiastically on MSNBC that evening. "Mr. Schiavo's overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity," George Felos had said when he appeared before the cameras that day. "This death was not for the siblings, and not for the spouse and not for the parents. This was for Terri." He had gone on to explain that those present in the room to witness the death that was for Terri (her brother and sister, who were with her earlier that morning, had been ordered to leave the hospice at the request of her husband) were himself, his associate Deborah Bushnell, Michael Schiavo, and Michael Schiavo's brother Brian, who that evening would swear on Larry King Live that he could never forgive the Schindlers for what they had said about his brother and if anybody didn't believe his brother had fulfilled Terri's wishes, "they can pound sand."..."

Read it all. It's very enlightening and well-written.

35 Manzanita and Sage  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:06:24pm

Just got in. Nice pic. It makes me very nostalgic for life in Hermosa. I lived there for five years. I would have been in the left most part of the picture. It was such a great place to live that I used to pinch myself to see if it was real.

36 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:10:45pm

#35 Manzanita and Sage

Hermosa is cool. I was listening to liberal talk radio the other day and they were having a hissy fit because the mayor of Redondo Beach (the city next door) is a gay Republican. LOL.

37 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:12:16pm

Back on the other thread someone just posted a link to Scrappleface:

Baghdad Mosque Closings Spark Weapons Shortage
by Scott Ott

(2005-05-21) -- Since Friday's announcement by a Sunni Muslim cleric that Baghdad's Sunni Mosques would close for three days to protest killings blamed on Iraqi security forces, consumers said they're struggling to find alternate sources for weaponry.

"My children and I stood on line at a back-alley dealer for seven hours just to buy mortar rounds," said one unnamed local resident. "My uncle just called and he's got one rocket-propelled grenade left, and has completely exhausted his family's supply of roadside bombs."

Indeed, industry sources report that the price of all kinds of small armaments jumped 73 percent within minutes of the announcement that the mosques would close.

"When you get an improvised explosive device at the mosque, you can rely on the quality," said one unnamed regular customer. "But a lot of the stuff you buy on the street is shoddy work that might send you to Allah before you get to the crowd of infidels. I think we're going to see a lot of second-rate martyrdom work until the mosques re-open."

38 iamthenathan  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:12:39pm

Real estate prices are going up around here too.

39 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:13:12pm

I remember when they used to teach hang gliding lessons on the dunes not far from that power plant in the Hermosa picture.

40 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:13:56pm

Speaking of which did you read that the some Iraqi minister announced that the Security Services will no longer search Mosques.

Are they nuts?

41 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:14:25pm

#33 Mars Trucker

Thanks for fuckin up the ocean view with details...

42 Boring Family Man  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:16:47pm

#33 MARS Trucker 5/22/2005 12:02AM PDT

I think what you are referring of is 2-3 miles north.

There are no beachfront houses near the DWP/SCE plants...there are about 1/2 mile shouth though.

This plant (in the pic) is set off the beach.

The SCE plant is on literally on the beach (which they had to build up after heavy storms in the 80s eroded their beachfront...

43 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:19:25pm

"Give us the order, and we will destroy the world for you," a young man told the cleric after prayers.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Sunnies are closing their mosques for 3 days to protest the killings of two Sunni clerics .

I wonder if they're hoping this will lead to more violence or less?

44 jimmytheclaw  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:20:57pm

#37 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar 5/22/2005 12:12AM PDT


uhh that would be one of mine
this was other one

[Link: www.brokennewz.com...]

45 westbankmama  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:22:14pm

Picture of Gush Katif beach -

[Link: www.hevel-katif.org.il...]

46 Manzanita and Sage  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:23:08pm

#36 I grew up in LA and never, and I mean never had a Republican represent me in local gov't all my years there. The closest I got was voting for Riordan, but I had moved to Hermosa by the time he took office. Hermosa was nice in that it was a mixed bag. Republicans and Democrats 'living in harmony', at least until Rep. Jane Harmon ran for office. I guess its hard to be PO'd as your feasting on breakfast at Good Stuff on the Strand.

I have since crossed south of the Orange Curtain, and have discovered a new world here. City gov't runs so well, that they actually reported catching thieves stealing from mailboxes. In LA the police wouldn't even return your phone calls for that one.

47 Carl in Jerusalem  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:23:09pm

Here's one to talk about:

Saudis Shred Bibles


So no sooner does it turn out that the Newsweek "expose" on Koran pages being flushed was a New Journalism lie and fabrication than the lib'ruh media are back with a new "human rights abomination". This time it is Saddam Hussein photographed in his panties.

...


Meanwhile, the REAL news story that the lib'ruh media are avoiding is the fact that Suadi Arabia routinely confiscates Bibles from visiting non-Moslems and then shreds them!
CNSNews reports that Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies allegedly have been put through a paper shredder. Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military. "Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia they have had their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a paper shredder," the U.S.-based International Christian Concern said in its 2001 report. This was confirmed in the 2003 report on Saudi Arabia by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent watchdog set up under the 1998 International Religious Freedom Act.
Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in Australia, spent two years in Saudi Arabia during the 1990s, where he was involved with the underground church. "It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week reported on CNSNews. "If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could even be executed."
Abuse of Christians and their symbols was not restricted to the destruction of Bibles, he added. He described what happened when a nun was stopped in Saudi Arabia's airport: "They opened her bag, went through her prayer book, put the prayer book through the shredder ... took the crucifix off her neck and smashed it, tormented her for many minutes."

...

There's more too...

48 freedomplow  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:25:01pm

Howard Dean will be on MTP press tomorrow.

I would pay big money if Tim asked him what his Nic was on DU.

49 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:28:06pm

PDM

CONGRATULATIONS! ! I know I'm a little late in saying that, but, well , err aahh . My birthday cards to my family are always late too...

50 zombie  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:29:51pm
#14 Rayra
power plant in Redondo, or power plant in Oxnard? 

It's the King Harbor power plant in Redondo. I always wondered why in the hell they put a huge ugly power plant in the middle of a beautiful coastline. It really spoils the coast for a bit there. Much better would have been to put in inland. Fewer people would inhale the smog from it that way as well.

To continue my unbroken perfect record of identifying exactly where Charles was standing when he takes his "open thread" pictures:

This photo was taken from the end of the Hermosa Beach Municipal Pier, which starts at the foot of 12th Street in Hermosa, looking southeast toward the King Harbor Power Plant in Redondo Beach, at about 11 o'clock in the morning.

51 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:31:04pm

#42 Boring Family Man

I think what you are referring of is 2-3 miles north.

If those are not the plants I woked on, what plants are they? '92 was a long time ago.

52 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:31:28pm

#48 freedomplow

Uh...I'm goin' with Dr. Scream.

53 Manzanita and Sage  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:35:10pm

I popped over to Foxnews.com for a moment and there is a very funny story there.
Toddler Stuck Inside Vending Machine
Every little kid's fantasy.

54 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:35:11pm

#41 Robert D


Thanks for fuckin (Koranin’) up the ocean view with details


You are most welcome ;D

55 SwampWoman  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:35:35pm

#48 Freedomplow

I would pay big money if Tim asked him what his Nic was on DU.

ROFL! Yeah, we KNOW he's on there.

56 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:38:26pm

#53 Manzanita and Sage

Yeah, I saw that. Kid coulda proly crawled back out through the slot in the vending machine, had he not pigged out on all the candy.

57 zulubaby  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:39:05pm
58 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:40:04pm

#54 MARS Trucker

(Koranin) I like it! :-)

59 jlfintx  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:41:09pm

The only time there will be a ceasefire is when those people firing are all dead. We know that, Israel knows that. Sadly, some here in America want the same thing as the Jew haters do. Probably be civil war to decide which way it goes in the end.

60 freedomplow  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:47:19pm

Trying to go through the last thread. (Sorry I missed it). Then I run into this.

#203 Sarah D. 5/21/2005 09:26PM PDT
LGF is best. 'Nuf said.

I had to investigate. Now I am completely lost and have many many tabs to go through until I get to the bottom of this.

61 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:48:05pm

#57 zulubaby
G-d must have lots of faith in Jews, he only gives the biggest load to those who can handle it.

62 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:50:25pm

#61 MARS Trucker

The mess in the middle east doesn't strike me as a great arguement for providence.

63 engineer  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:50:29pm

Anybody know how to change your nic here?
There's another LFGer who goes by '[Engineer]'
so I'd like to avoid confusion.
Thanks in advance.

Charlie

64 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:50:47pm

#49 Robert D,

CONGRATULATIONS! ! I know I'm a little late in saying that, but, well , err aahh . My birthday cards to my family are always late too...

Thanks. You're not late in saying that. In fact, I don't even know what late means anymore. :)

65 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:53:58pm

#62 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

The mess in the middle east doesn't strike me as a great arguement for providence.

Well, neither did it hold when the Jews were enslaved in Egypt but they plodded onward...

66 jlfintx  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:54:08pm

engineer,

I think you have to wait for open registration. But, most regulars here will know the difference.

67 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:54:46pm

#64 PDM

LOL! I'll bet you don't. But IIRC, you have been thruogh this before?

68 freedomplow  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:56:15pm

63 engineer

I think you have to re-register. Maybe you can email Charles.

69 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:56:23pm

#63

A new email adress will do it for you.

70 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 10:57:57pm

RE: #69

And wait for open registration.

71 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:01:20pm

#67 Robert D,

Yep, second time for me. And it will be a long time before I enjoy having a lower maintenance 24 year-old like you.

72 engineer  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:05:56pm

66, 68, 69/70:

Thanks, All !
I did email Charles a few weeks ago,
but I'm sure he's got a lot on his mind
with PJ Media and such.

73 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:16:03pm

#71 PDM

Yes, he is low maintenance. But he just got engaged, and says that I will have to fly to Missiourie, Miissierie, Ah well you know , MO. ST. Louis, for his wedding. I think I will drive...

74 zombie  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:16:07pm

Wow, this is amazing:

Anti-Castro Rally in Havana

Cuban dissidents rally in Havana

Some refuse to take part, saying it was sponsored by Miami exiles

Friday, May 20, 2005 Posted: 7:45 PM EDT (2345 GMT)
HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- In what organizers called an unprecedented event, dissidents from groups opposed to Fidel Castro's communist regime gathered publicly Friday and chanted "Down with Fidel."

"Freedom! Freedom!" the group of more than 100 delegates cheered in the yard of Felix Bonne, a veteran dissident, in a working-class section of Havana. Castro's regime would not allow the use of a theater or hotel for the assembly.

Those people are lucky to be alive and not in jail. Let's hope the movement spreads. Castro is ripe for a downfall.

75 MARS Trucker  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:22:16pm

#74 zombie

Castro is ripe for a downfall.

Does that mean we'll soon see him in his BVD's along with Saddam?

76 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:22:26pm

#73 Robert D,

he just got engaged

Then congratulations to you too! Enjoy the ride.

77 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:25:56pm

#74 zombie

That's wonderful. Those are truly courageous folks in Cuba.

/suppose yimmy carter's visits helped?

78 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:33:06pm

The Pope's visit was THE thing that helped the most. Carter is nothing more than a poor imbecile.

79 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:34:33pm

#76 PDM

Thanks. Life is a ride we all better enjoy! It can be long and enjoyable, or the other options are not as good.

Hey, on a lighter note, somewhat, I was telling a person how it was so bad to turn 50. But, you know, I quickly realized that the other option really sucked...

80 manker  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:38:33pm

I was emailed this, I think Nam Grunt wil enjoy it.


My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys

81 Robert D  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:45:39pm

G'Nite all.

PDM, again, congrats.

SwampWoman..HEY Wake up!

Don't want to sound corny, but, I do appreciate all of you LGFers...

82 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:46:05pm

OT: whoever it is at alvantage who doesn't like LGF has been putting real work into blocking it now.

Before he or she just took it out of the web accelerator's DNS server. I could bypass that by using the IP address directly.

Not anymore - it's refusing to serve LGF by IP address as well too.

But it DOES serve LGF if the referer is Google instead of no referer or an internal LGF link.

I'm sure someone is trying to block LGF on the sly without their bosses approval, otherwise why write sly code to allow LGF from external links but not internal links?

They want to be able to pull up Google and claim everything works.

Clever.

Fortunately I can still get to LGF by bypassing the web accelerator proxy. Even without the web accelerator, alvantage has a much more responsive dialup than others I've tried.

83 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:47:32pm

One VERY cool thing is that if you Google "AlVantage" (my ISP) my posts about AlVantage blocking LGF show up at the top of the Google page. Someone in AlVantage's marketing department will notice that eventually.

84 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:50:25pm
85 Freedom Fan  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:50:27pm

Nite Robert D.

Manker. Thanks for the link. My heros have always been cowboys too. Thank G-d that the uber-liberal eastern catsup clown is not sittin' in the White House.

86 American Soldier  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:51:45pm

#80 manker
Very nice.

BTW- the last time I went anywhere on a horse was at Vered Hagalil, 1977.

Later.

87 westbankmama  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:52:04pm

Support for the disengagement plan is beginning to crumble...

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

IDF officers recommend putting it off for six months..

88 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:52:26pm

# 80 manker
Great presentation and great site. Thanks a lot. I've always admired a lot of cowboys, most of all, perhaps, the Duke and Ronald Reagan.

89 PDM  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:53:44pm

Robert D,

Thanks again. Let us know when we have another reason (like that wedding) to celebrate. We can always use one of those around here.

90 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sat, May 21, 2005 11:57:58pm

oops it only came up first because I've been misspelling the isp's name. That's embarassing.

it's AllVantage, not AlVantage.

91 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:01:49am

Errare humanum est.

92 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:04:35am

NST (Non Sequitur Topic):

Since this is an open thread and anything goes, we can't be Off Topic (OT), so I am proposing a new acronym, NST, for Non Sequitur Topic. This somewhat amusing link is the only example of this you can find with Google. I seem to be the first to propose the use of the NST abbreviation in open topic discussion threads.

What do you think?

93 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:07:32am

#92 engineer
LOL That thread is funny. But if we follow that example, the first thing I will buy is going to fly to Athens when your mom finishes cooking. :p

94 Rune  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:11:54am

Israel done good in yesterdays Eurovision. A fourth spot with 158 points. And what a pretty girl too!
[Link: www.eurovision.tv...]

The wonder isn’t that she didn’t win, but that she did so well. Since like countries normally vote for each other. Scandinavians on Scandinavians, Balts on balts, Greeks on Greeks etc. Israel even got top points by everyone’s favourite prugelknapf - France.

95 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:13:35am

Ah, the radio is playing a really cool reggie version of Knocking on Heaven's Door.

96 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:24:57am

#87 westbankmama
I think I am all in favor of Sharon's strategy. Let the hyper-civilized arabs rule themselves, and at the same time, stop putting so many Israeli lives in jeopardy by bodygarding settlers. But I should really abstain from this topic, because I live so far away and I have so little reality about this problem. But, anyway, I think I am with Sharon on this.

97 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:41:26am

#93 MigueldowninMexico

Glad you enjoyed the non sequitur topic link, but the ice sculpture is melting so I have to turn up the heat. ;-)

Charlie ( CarlosUpInNewMexico )

98 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:45:01am

#97 engineer
Hahahaha. That was really good hahaha. The nick was also fine lol. Sounds familiar. You made me laugh with that one, thanks, CarlosupinNewMexico. LOL.

99 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:46:12am

NST:

Charles, I miss your original LGF open thread meme with pictures of exclusively single syllable words. That was a bold vision. Tonight's picture could have been labeled 'Shore' or 'Coast'.

Any opinions from other lizardoids?

100 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:47:39am

Drinking thread. NO, that would be a non sequitur.

101 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 12:50:46am

#87 yehuda ve shomron mama:

Support for the disengagement plan is beginning to crumble...

Obviously, you live in an alternative universe.

Just the opposite.

If only settlers and their supporters would stop pissing everybody off with their lame and annoying blocking of traffic "demonstrations".

102 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:00:41am

#82 Joshua,

What do you suppost the odds are of an Islamic connection to AllVantage or one of its employees? It would seem that some FCC laws are probably being broken as well.

103 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:00:44am

# 95 Joshua

Sacrelige !

Morning, all.

104 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:07:26am

#103 Mike C.

Sacrelige or non sequitur ?
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition !

105 Stefania  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:08:37am
106 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:08:50am

# 105
We expect the Muslim Inquisition.

107 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:09:41am

oops, that was 104. Sorry.

108 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:12:43am

Mike C.,

Good evening, Beijing!

Saw you've had some nice weather lately, up around 30 Celsuius, huh?

109 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:15:26am

# 108 GJ

I think I would have to actually go outside to find out. Haven't been out of the building complex in weeks.

110 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:18:07am

Mike,

I think I would have to actually go outside to find out. Haven't been out of the building complex in weeks.

Still, you may have noticed that you had to turn on the A/C, perhaps?

You work too hard :>)

111 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:21:19am

I LOVE it ! Anybody sees Iron Fist, be sure and make him aware of this one - he'll love it too.

112 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:32:28am

Morning Mike C., GJ
Quiet thread.

113 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:33:37am

#112 VIA:

Quiet thread.

And how!

Good morning :>)

114 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:34:53am

# 110 GJ

Actually, what I had to do here as soon as I figured it out was turn the damn AC off. It apparently only has two settings - Arctic and off. The thermostat works well with the heat, but has no noticeable effect on the AC.

I only work too hard when I'm working. When I'm unemployed, I don't work at all. OK, except for doing whatever my wife tells me to do.

115 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:37:00am

# 112 VIA

Morning back at you, and yeah, it is. Still, the previous one got rather nasty there at the end.

116 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:37:11am

So,..where's 'Nam Grunt with the breakfast report?

Best part of the Dead Thread morning routine

IMHO

117 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:41:04am

#105 Stefania

There is no OT in an open thread. :-)
Use NST -- see #92.

I agree with your article.
Especially like the title -- goes along with "Cheat and Retreat".

118 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:42:20am

# 116 VIA

He could be out 'drowning shrimp' again. Or, as it's not even 6 AM where he lives, and it's Sunday, he could be sleeping in.

119 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:42:46am

#115 Mike C.:

Still, the previous one got rather nasty there at the end.

Worth havin' a look then?

120 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:43:22am

Mike C.

Still, the previous one got rather nasty there at the end.

I don't think I even want to look.
Beautiful morning
Fresh coffee
Sitting on the patio with our new patio furniture.
Doves and squirrels making morning noise.
Why ruin it.

Gotta get the family up for church soon.
Just good quality ME time for a few minutes.

121 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:44:11am

Morning people! Little bit of seething going on this fine day.

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Thousands of Indonesian Muslims protested Sunday outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta over a now retracted report that American prison guards had flushed a Quran down a toilet, in the latest mass protest in a Muslim country over the issue in spite of the retraction.

About 7,000 activists held anti-American banners and posters while chanting ``Allahu Akbar!'' or ``God is great!'' along an about mile-long march from the capital city's Welcome Monument to the embassy.

``As Muslims, we unite here to warn the U.S. that the bad behavior of its soldiers has humiliated all Islamic followers around the world,'' said protest leader Ridwan Saidi. ...

...In a protest Friday in India that came after the retraction, hundreds of Muslims staged an angry rally against the United States in the eastern city of Calcutta, spitting and having a boy urinate on a U.S. flag before burning it on a main thoroughfare in the city's business district. ...


Thousands Protest Alleged Quran Desecration

122 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:46:48am

#106/107 MigueldowninMexico

Googled on "Muslim Inquisition" and "Islamic Inquisition" and each get about 200 results. Some of them look pretty interesting.

Nice chatting with you.
Gotta sleep now.

123 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:48:30am

I didn't see any nastiness on the previous thread, but I didn't bother to scroll thru the whole thing.

124 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:50:22am

# 119 GJ

It wasn't all that memorable, in my opinion. The only reason I even got to notice was that I had the workstation crunching numbers for a good while today, and I can't do anything else on it while it's doing that without risking a crash.

# 120 VIA

Like I said just above, not really memorable and not worth disturbing your morning over.

# 121 J.D.

Those wacky muslims !

125 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:50:52am

# 122 engineer
Same here. Sleep well bro :)

126 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:52:55am

J.D.
Ah yes
The very rare "Seething Muslim"

Have you ever seen a more likely group of people that need a time out and a life time supply of prozac?

Perhaps we could have the entire how many billion of them appear on the Oprah show, and at the end they would all love every one and group hug their way to happiness and recovery.

127 Dave Ray  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:54:07am

Galloway ally is sells arms kits to US forces

Now didnt Galloway proclaim that occupying forces would burn in hell? Does that go for the people who arm them as well George? Is your friend an evil imperialist crusader? Or are you happy just to take his cash?

128 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:54:08am

# 125 MigueldowninMexico

Where exactly in Mexico are you ? I ask because I just might be going back there myself once I finish this contract. Probably Villahermosa, Cd. del Carmen, Tampico, Veracruz or someplace like that. Pemex towns.

129 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:54:33am

I gotta go too. Good night everybody.

130 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:55:40am

#128
I'm in Cuernavaca, about 50 miles S. of Mexico City. You work with oil then.

131 engineer  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:56:06am

#123

At the end some Euro-defensiveness about Euro-anti-semitism. "You Americans have Jew-haters too." My take: where are the synagogues and temples burning? Hmmm...

132 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:57:21am

# 126 VIA

Actually, when you think about it, having 7,000 muslims turn out for a demonstration in Jakarta is like having 100 people turn out for something in DC.

133 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 1:59:15am

# 130 Miguel

Yup. Only time I see Cd. de Mexico is when I have to transit the airport, and that's not necessary if I'm working in Villahermosa, Veracruz or Reynosa. Is when I work in Poza Rica, though.

134 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:00:12am

Mike C.
So these guys were doing "flash mobs" before they became the rage over here?

How advanced they are after all.

What ever happened to the flash mob rage anyhow?
Did it just fade out like other fads?

135 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:02:16am

# 123 GJ

Believe me, you didn't look close enough. Lots of those 'cute' little acronyms tossed about, while others just spelled it out all the way. I'd guess it was about 60 % to 90 % of the way down the thread.

136 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:04:23am

#135 Mike:

Ah, let me guess, it degenerated into general Euro-bashing?

So sad I missed that...

137 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:04:26am

# 134 VIA

I recall reading an article about that phenomena once. Didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, then or now. But it's not the same thing - these folks are after PR - pure and simple.

138 Dave Ray  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:06:55am

131 Engineer:

• Arsonists damaged the entrance to a local Jewish cemetery in West Roxbury, MA (February).
• Windows of a Jewish day school in North Miami were coated with feces (May).
• A rash of vandalism targeting a synagogue in Eureka, CA, including anti-Semitic graffiti, broken furniture and objects thrown against a door during religious services for young children (December).
• Swastikas, "Death to Jews" and other graffiti written on Houston synagogue (December).
• Members of a hate group harassed patrons at a Connecticut mall, raising Nazi salutes (July).
• An apartment complex in Ft. Lauderdale was targeted with anti-Semitic and racist leaflets "celebrating" Hitler's birthday (April).

Link to the full report

Whatever you believe the state of Europe is, never forget that you have fascists, racists and potential genocidal maniacs on your own doorstep. "Never again" doesn't just mean in Europe, it's gotta be global.

139 Ghost  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:07:34am

Re: Saddam photos
Did anyone else notice that the body of the man in underwear looked remarkably fit for one belonging to a 68-year-old man?
Has anyone seen the actual photos (with enough detail to see if they've been doctored)?

140 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:08:06am

Mike C.
Yeah,
You kinda gotta ask yourself what these guys did before instant world wide television coverage.
Where Middle East riots taking place 75 years ago on a daily basis, and we just never knew it?

Or, did it become a media based cottage industry?

141 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:08:51am

# 133 Mike C.
Ok, I'll talk to you some more another day, I must go now. I Hope you always have a good time here in Mexico :) Good night, everybody, and God bless.

142 Dave Ray  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:08:52am

Ghost:

The Sun have printed more and by all accounts their real. The US and UK authorities wouldn't be running around like headless chickens if they were.

143 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:09:04am

# 136 GJ

Well, sort of. Somebody made a stupid post with a racial slur, otheres took offense, some long-time, well-known posters came in late and said the racial slur was insignificant to the intent of the post, and things went right on downhill from there. Frankly, if somebody gave me that description and I had never read the thread, I could pretty well mentally reconstruct it even with beagle no longer being with us. Sigh. Just another hidden speed-bump on the road of life, I guess.

144 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:11:06am

Well, gotta go get some dinner. Back in a bit.

145 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:11:36am

Mike C.


Did you mean Beagle...or Bigel in your last post?

even with beagle no longer being with us
146 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:12:09am

Mike C. and VIA
Anti-seethe measures have been undertaken post-haste.

...Other sensitivity training is continuing. At Ft. Lewis in Washington state, guards and other soldiers headed to Guantanamo Bay and other facilities go through classes and exercises to increase awareness of Arab and Muslim customs, said Lt. Col. Warren Perry. Much of the training deals specifically with the Koran.

"Don't step on it, don't bump it, don't disrespect it," he said.

When handling a Koran can't be avoided, Perry said, soldiers are taught "to wash hands or put on sterile gloves before you touch."...

...When Korans were delivered to the prison, he said, guards issuing the holy books "would put them on the floor and a lot of the devout Muslims went nuts right away."

Later, guards allowed detainees to cradle their Korans in surgical masks hung from the mesh walls of their cells. The soldiers called them "Koran hammocks."...


Dozens Have Alleged Koran's Mishandling

147 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:14:49am

#143 Mike:

Yeah, slow day at the office, so I actually bothered to look thru.

Somebody said "limey" but his post was actually not unreasonable.

Then everybody went nuts and started the stupid name-calling.

The AA guy said nothing out of order but got pissed off with the mob mentality and made a comment about that.

Sigh. A case of friendly fire, it'd seem.

148 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:15:45am

J.D.

If that's abuse, it's time to just hang it up and come home.

But in it's own twisted way, this may be a good thing.

I'm hearing more and more people that don't normally have an opinion about this stuff saying they had not realized just how foolish some of these complaints are.
So, it may not be a bad thing.

149 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:17:15am

145 VIA
beagle and bigel are gone.

150 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:18:24am

I'd like to publish an alternative set of guidelines for handling the friggin' koran *piss*

151 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:18:58am

#149:

Whaddaya mean, beagle is gone?

152 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:24:08am

What happened to Beagle?

153 hutchrun  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:24:31am

238.5 million (7/2004 est.). Indonesia is the fourth most populous nation in the world after China, India and the United States. Over two thirds of the population resides in Java.
The population of the special district of Jakarta was 9.5 million in 1999.

DC, once several cities and two counties, now has over 120 neighborhoods with a population of 572,000 permanent residents

154 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:26:19am

151 Golden Yerushalayim

beagle got it earlier this week. Looking for thread.

155 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:31:20am

151 Golden Yerushalayim

ALERT! My bad, NOT BEAGLE, SORRY! SORRY! SORRY!

156 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:36:02am

BZ

Man, you had me searching all over the place trying to find out what happened.

I think it was an inadvertant swap of Beagle/Bigel by Mike C. this morning.

(Whew...wipes brow)

157 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:40:55am

VIA

I'm hearing more and more people that don't normally have an opinion about this stuff saying they had not realized just how foolish some of these complaints are.
So, it may not be a bad thing.


Indeed, it is a Good Thing™. Who could have predicted that this story would have ultimately accomplished anything worthwhile?

Steyn

...It's not the mobs, so much as the determination of the elites to keep their peoples in a state of ignorance. The most educationally repressive form of Islam, for example, is funded and promoted by Saudi princes who, though not as handsome as Imran, also spend a lot of time in the West -- gambling, drinking, womanizing and indulging other tastes that even the wildest night on the tiles in Riyadh just can't sate. Whereas most advanced societies believe that an educated population is vital to the national interest, many Muslim elites seem to have concluded than an uneducated population is actually far more useful. And, when you look at Saudi funding of radical madrassahs in hitherto moderate Muslim regions from the Balkans to Indonesia, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that they're having great success de-educating hitherto relatively savvy parts of the world.

This disaster took a combination of factors. We can't do much about Muslim fanatics; we probably can't do much about our self-worshipping vanity media whose reflexive counter-tribalism has robbed it of all sense of perspective or proportion. But we ought to apply pressure on the link between the two worlds: the self-serving elites who enjoy the privileges of the West even as they exploit their co-religionists' ignorance of it. That's just not cricket, is it?


Cricket star knows how to fire up fanatics

158 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:48:16am

J.D.
Good article
Stein as always, at his best with what most writers have a hard time even putting into words.

At some point, I think our relationship with the middle east will come down to something like a disintegrating marriage.

At some point, one of the partners realizes that no matter what they do, the other one will twist and distort it just for the opportunity to show how much of a schmuck the other one is.
Finally, at some point the other partner realizes they just can't win..or even break even.

159 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:49:08am

Hey,
Look at the time...
Gotta go make the doughnuts

BBL

160 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:49:29am

Golden Yerushalayim & VIA
Fro some reason I swapped Beagle with someone else who was banned this week, slight dyslexia.

161 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:22:06am

# 145 VIA

Oh, Christ ! Did I type beagle instead of bigel ? Jeez, I gotta get a new RX for these glasses. Of course I meant bigel. My apologies to all of LGF and to Beagle in particular for my stupid error.

162 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:29:54am

They're stirred up in Iran, too.

TEHRAN (AFX) - Iran warned Britain, France and Germany Sunday against pushing for the Islamic republic to be referred to the UN Security Council over its nuclear programme, saying such a step would spark 'a crisis over which the Europeans would have no control'. ...


Iran issues stern warning to Europeans ahead of nuclear talks

163 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:31:39am

RE # 161

Boy, you know, a "PIMF" just doesn't cut it in a situation like this. I feel like a dried dog turd right about now.

164 AbbaGav  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:39:22am

Check out latest from newsweek on details of the other allegations from the Gitmo logs:

[Link: abbagav.blogspot.com...]

165 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:40:02am

Well, this cheered me up a bit. Heh.

166 neversurrender  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:42:19am

#163 Mike C.

Look at it this way-you sure livened up the thread! :^)

167 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:46:19am

Check this out.

Oh joy
The Rapture Index at [Link: www.raptureready.com,...] which measures the progression of end-time prophecy, is at 149, down 1 from last week, so we seem to be holding steady, rapture-wise. ...

...Oh really
QT Blog of the Month: Sweet Jesus, I Hate Bill O'Reilly,
[Link: www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com...]

Another name change
The Norwegian blog founder of Yagoohoogle, the twin search-engine that one month ago could find 120 hits for "tap-dancing militant Islamic fundamentalists," wants you to know that Yahoo and Google did not much like the name Yagoohoogle, so it is now going to be Twingine at twingine.com.

There were 2,870,255 April searches on Yagoohoogle, with the top 10 searches being "test," "yagoohoogle," "google," "sex," "yahoo," "hello," "hi," "a" "java" and "lol."

There are currently 147 Twingine hits for "tap-dancing militant Islamic fundamentalists," by the way.

Mail call
We Have Seen the Present, and It Does Not Work:

The following e-mail disclaimer is noted at Ernie the Attorney, [Link: www.ernietheattorney.net...] the?186-143?attorney:

"Please disregard this mail if you received it without this disclaimer."...


A blog by any other name would smell better
I'm off to search for "tap-dancing militant Islamic fundamentalists"...

168 BXEKLT  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:49:05am

will bin laden be around after Bush leaves office?

169 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:51:01am

#165 Mike C.:

Arnold Vaatz, a German lawmaker who was expelled from Cuba on Friday, called for the European Union to take a stronger stand against Cuba.

Looks like the greatest fear of ruthless dictators everywhere, the really strongly wordrd letter, may be employed by the EU.

bet Castro's curled up in the fetal position, paralyzed with fear, right about now.

"Dammit, Jorge! We should never have pissed off the mad gringo Europeeans!"

170 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:51:44am

#165 Mike C.
It seems Cuba is all the rage.
Hugo Chavez: Pirate Of The Caribbean

...Now he's telling Caribbean and Central American states that if they hope to buy a drop of Venezuelan oil, they'll go through Castro's Cuba. He has announced a new scheme to put Venezuela's Caribbean oil operational headquarters in Havana.

"There is no technical reason to justify an office in Havana," Venezuelan economist Gustavo Garcia told investors.

Between oil and coercion, the new headquarters is a move to isolate smaller Caribbean and Central American states into a Cuba-Venezuela axis. The map above shows the economic absurdity of moving oil operations from Venezuela's nearby Caribbean ports to Havana's port nearly 1,000 miles away. It also illustrates a new and growing sphere of influence.

Since the countries will be dependent on Venezuelan oil from Cuba's capital, don't imagine any of those countries will try to cross Fidel Castro. The countries are small and numerous, but that's why their votes are so valuable to Chavez and Castro in international bodies like the Organization of American States and United Nations. The implication for the U.S. could be very negative. ...

171 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, May 22, 2005 3:52:36am

Great ready...MSM are going to be deflecting questions of their trecherous actions and culpability in 'making' news vs. 'reporting' events with both the old, 'Bush lied and Quagmire! Quagmire!' meme's.

SENIOR American congressmen are considering sending a delegation to London to investigate Britain’s role...

Democratic opponents of President George W Bush have seized on a leaked Downing Street memo...

Blair faces US probe over secret Iraq invasion plan

Violence crippling Iraq rebuilding effort

Talk about old and stale...I'd much rather read stories of how they're being 'targeted' and nobody cares or attempts to defend them.

172 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:05:13am

# 167 J.D.

Loved the "Rapture Ready" site. Forwarded that one around the world (literally.) I'm starting to get the impression that statistics may occasionally be mis-used.

173 justdanny  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:06:44am

my mom is gone

174 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:07:56am

This Chicago-Sun guy is pretty funny. Found this googling "tap-dancing militant Islamic fundamentalists".

We Have Seen the Present, and It Does Not Work:

Smoking has been banned in the bars and restaurants of Timnath, Colo., which has no bars and restaurants. ...

...Leaves us feeling ... oily
News Item: Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham resigns.

News Item: Spencer Abraham joins board of directors of Occidental Petroleum Corp.

The system works. ...

...This is no laugh riot
News Item: Newsweek apologizes for inaccuracies in its report that interrogators of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Quran, a story that triggered riots killing at least 15 people in Afghanistan and other countries.

News Item: Muslims in Afghanistan and other countries apologize for being so easily triggered into riots that kill people.

Sorry. Made the second one up.

Let's focus on what he can do
President Bush regarding Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi:

"He understands the need for a timely write of the constitution."

And the president will be glad to help with the wording, too.

What comes around ...
Modern Education + the Criminal Mind =

A Baltimore car thief who stole a Nissan Maxima and then saw the Nissan Maxima stolen from him called police to report the theft, police said.

Tell them to butt out
News Item: "An opponent of the European Union's new constitution dropped his trousers at the French parliament on Thursday to reveal the word 'non' written on his buttocks."

Then again, the Democrats might consider this an interesting response to the nuclear option.

Witch doctor had no co-pay
News Item: Girl with large tumor in her abdomen is taken to witch doctor in Dhamaitikri, India, where she is pronounced to be carrying "the devil's child."

A surgeon later removed the tumor, showing a fundamental lack of respect for faith-based initiatives.

Denny's uses helpful pictures
QT Adult Minimum Daily Requirement of People News:

Pamela Anderson says Paris Hilton prefers to have restaurant menus read aloud to her.

What could the reason be?


Take that, Big Tobacco lobbyists!

175 Powderfinger  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:08:00am

Justdanny, I'm sorry to hear that...yet also happy for her.

Peace, brother. You done good.

176 Ann  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:08:52am

My prayers are with you, justdanny.
{ justdanny }

177 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:09:14am

# 170 J.D.

Ah, that's my old "El Presidente Loco", sure enough. Word to the wise - oil (like any other commodity) has to move. If it doesn't go to A, then it goes to B. Then the oil that would have gone to B goes to A. This isn't rocket science - even the Arabs figured it out back in 73-74.

178 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:10:56am

# 173 justdanny

Sorry to hear that, and my condolances. Been there.

179 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:11:27am

#172 Mike C.

I'm starting to get the impression that statistics may occasionally be mis-used.


I think you're onto something there.

180 neversurrender  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:13:13am

justdanny

So sorry to hear that-may God bless her and keep her, and may His mercy comfort you and grant you peace.

(sign of the Cross)

181 hutchrun  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:17:32am

justdanny

May she rest in Peace.
My condolences and deepest sympathies.
Know how you feel-my mom`s in real bad shape.

182 J.D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:21:40am

#173 justdanny, my neighbor
I'm so sorry.
I find myself making the trip to visit my own Mom more often since you first told me your Mom was so ill.
Bless your heart.

183 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:22:49am

Pardon me, but didn't there used to be a way to e-mail LGF/Charles directly on the left side ? Doesn't seem to be there anymore, so how do you do that now ?

184 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:25:56am

Justdanny - my heartfelt sympathies, I'm relieved that her suffering is over and my prayers are with her and with you.
You did everything you could, with honor and courage. I'm proud that you're my friend.

185 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:27:16am
186 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:28:48am

Justdanny, my heartfelt condolences to you and your family and may your Mom rest in peace.

187 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:31:27am

# 185 AI

Uh, no - 'fraid not.

188 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:31:56am
189 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:33:48am

# 186

'Morning, 'Nam. Early speculation on your absence, but doesn't seem all that important now, does it ?

190 winry-chan  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:34:52am

(((justdanny)))
i am so sorry for your loss.
you don't know me, but i have followed your story as a lurker. I think what realwest said is so true-- you always tried your best to do the right thing.

191 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:36:52am

Mike C.

No it doesn't, where there is a life that has ended, there is a new life starting, and God Blesses them both.

192 farng!  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:38:15am

#173 justdanny

She's not really gone...just away for a while. You'll be with her again.

G-d bless.

193 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:43:30am

justdanny

Please believe that the prayers we offer in your time of grief do have an affect.

194 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:44:49am

Hey 'Nam Grunt.

How's the Gulf coast lookin' this morning?

195 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:46:58am

Just Danny-

May God give you comfort.

196 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:47:51am

Good Morning!

OT

UN inspector paints bleak picture of Saddam's jail

Oh no! OH NO!

How does this make you feel to be an American knowing that we keep our poor captives in conditions that are bleak. I mean, they actually shut the windows so they can't get fresh air!

This will be another dark mark of the pantheon of American shame!

197 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:48:42am

Morning LGF'ers.

I have a problem.

I have a nice little website with a mellow blog. Small and comfy atmosphere. It's not a political site, but sometimes we discuss politics.

We had a Middle Eastern thread and a Human Rights thread.

On the human Rights thread, someone posted an article about the Armenian genocide and on another thread, there is an article about a graphic novel based on the story.

These articles were both posted some time back.

Imagine my surprise when I got up this morning to encounter my website headers gone and replaced with FUCK THE ARMENIANS and some banners written in foreign script claiming the HACK BY TURK yadda yadda, couldn't read it all. The Middle Eastern thread is completely gone.

I was able to remove the stuff, but boy, was that disconcerting. Since there were no posts left by the guy, I have no idea how to trace this or stop it from happening again. I don't even know if I should be worried. But it was very disturbing.

198 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:49:15am

GJ,

Sunny and hot. ;-)

199 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:49:54am

#196:

The horror!

Bleak, as in prison-like? ? ?

Oh, the inhumanity. Convene the General Assembly on the double!

200 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:51:37am

Only 200 posts on the SNDT? People must have been occupied...

201 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:52:06am

I started reading the thread now.

My condolences, justdanny.

202 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:52:48am

In one place the sun's rising ('Nam), in another its' long since set (Mike).

Me, i'm sorta in the middle, which means i'm reapidly approaching the end of the work day.

203 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:53:42am

#200 chris the prof:

People must have been occupied

naw, you're thinking of the palis, mate.

204 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:53:42am

# 200 ctp

See # 173. Some of us are feeling a bit bummed out right now.

205 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:53:56am

justdanny, My condolences.

206 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:55:29am
207 Golden Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:57:47am

Heading home.

See you all later.


Justdanny: For whatever it's worth at a time like this, I'm so sorry for your loss.

I find words have little meaning at such a time, but you have many friends here whose thought are with you.

208 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:58:00am

Geepers
I'm chained to the 'puter doin' a website, but WHY THE HELL ARE YOU INSIDE on this beautiful morning?

209 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:58:30am

justdanny

I've very sorry to hear of the loss of your mother. I know she had been sick - she is at peace now. Prayers for your mother, and you and your family.

210 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:59:01am

# 138 Dave Ray

• Arsonists damaged the entrance to a local Jewish cemetery in West Roxbury, MA (February).

Anyone have a link to this specific incident? That's where my father's parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles are all buried...

Sorry to hear about your Mom justdanny. May G-d comfort you and your family (if you're Jewish, among all mourners for Zion and Jerusalem) and may you know of no more sorrows.

211 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 4:59:14am
212 smartalice  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:00:09am

From today's Courier Journal:

Bingham, C-J didn't give reporter a fair shake
Pam Platt

The May 8 Forum section featured excerpts of a speech delivered last month by photojournalist Molly Bingham at Western Kentucky University's First Amendment celebration. The piece was headlined, "Home from Iraq: Journalist urges Americans to search for truth, freedom.''

I heard from readers who were thrilled with Bingham for writing the piece and The Courier-Journal for printing it. But I also heard from someone who challenged and disputed the truth of the passage in which Bingham mentioned him by name.

Read the whole thing here

213 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:01:38am

#206

My identity is well known. I am a published author. I would be easy to find. I make public appearances. The site is a site dedicated to my books.

214 sngnsgt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:02:12am

Screaming Dean on Meet the Press 10:00AM Eastern...

215 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:02:16am

I am so sorry, JustDanny. I wish I could do something to help relieve your grief, but I know that only time will do that.

216 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:03:19am

BenZacharia (#208),

I don't get cable (I wouldn't get it if I could), so the only chance I get to see the talking heads is Sunday mornings.

Besides the alternative is fixing the roof.

217 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:04:53am

JustDanny: My most sincere sympathy to you and your family.

218 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:05:23am

# 215 SW

Howya doing ? Bummer of a morn, ain't it ?

219 sandspur  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:07:30am

Good Morning, Lizards!

Could anyone tell me a bit about Bill Whittle?
I had not heard of him until I read his fine Santuary essay from the link here the other day.

220 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:09:14am

Golden J

How's the Gulf coast lookin' this morning?

Warming up nicely. This is yesterday's satellite estimate of sea surface temperatures, showing shrinking pockets of water cooler than 26o.

Compare to just one week ago.

The good news is that we have just started the 60 "sunniest" days of the year. (Highest sun angles, longest days) and with high pressure parked surface and aloft over Texas and the western Gulf, light winds mean nearly calm seas with maximizes insolation.

Now, that 26o water helps keep coastal locations like Houston, Beaumont and Corpus Christi from exceeding 35o today, but more than about 100 km inland, temps will soar today to the 38 to 40o range, as June temperatures hit Texas a couple of weeks early!


Since much of Texas has had only 1 significant rain event in over a month, the feedback of dry ground helping hot temperatures which helps reinforce the upper ridge that helps ensure no rain falls in much of Texas during the next 14 days. That is, an early onset of a warmer than normal summer seems likely.

I suspect within about two weeks we'll hear about oilfield workers near Monahans, TX, pumping 15% HCl acid on Exxon wells in the sand dunes, wearing long sleeve Nomex coveralls, in 48o temperatures!

221 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:11:07am

#218 Mike C

Howya doing ? Bummer of a morn, ain't it ?

Yeah, it is.

Husband is yelling at me in the background because I did an 11 to 7 and I am not still sleeping. I don't do many of those because I cannot sleep in the day (unless I'm driving--G).

222 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:12:17am

# 220 Ed

You certainly do seem to have a handle on this stuff. Took me all damned day to figure out a problem which, in retrospect, I should have spotted from the git-go. Sigh.

223 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:13:03am

Swampy,

That's because Swampman wants you awake this evening so you can cook his supper. lol!

224 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:15:16am
225 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:15:39am

# 221 SW

Your husband yells at you ? Obviously he has vastly larger balls than I do. I don't remember ever yelling at my wife (although if I'm wrong, I'm sure she could correct me with the specific incident, date and time to within a minute or two), and we're coming up on 34 years here.

226 Stirred,not shakin'  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:16:58am

This Just In:
North Korean despot, I mean 'president' Kim Jong Il has invited noted scholar/artist Ward Churchill to accompany him on a speaking tour across N Korea. The tour will be billed as, (I'm gonna hate myself for this...)
"Chutch and Jong - Down in Flames"

227 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:19:00am

#223 'Nam

Swampy,

That's because Swampman wants you awake this evening so you can cook his supper. lol!

It's probably because I am seriously scary-lookin' this morning in one of his old yet very comfy T-shirts, fuzzy slippers, dark circles under bloodshot eyes, and hair that makes Albert Einstein look well groomed.

228 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:22:34am

RE # 227

It's probably because I am seriously scary-lookin' this morning in one of his old yet very comfy T-shirts, fuzzy slippers, dark circles under bloodshot eyes, and hair that makes Albert Einstein look well groomed.

Mrs. Mike C., is that you ?

229 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:22:36am

Swampy,

I bet you are pretty as the mornin', don't give me that I'm not pretty routine, Swampman and I both know better. lol!

230 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:24:12am

#225 Mike C

Your husband yells at you

Yes, he does, Mike C! He also kicks me under the table with his size 13s when he thinks that I am sayin' something unladylike. You would think that after 28 years of marriage, he would realize that he ain't Henry Higgins and I'm not Eliza DooLittle.

If I get to go to the Texas BBQ, I will wear shin guards.

(Really, the yelling is because he is worried that I am going to get sick, or get in an auto accident due to lack of sleep and die, or something of that nature.)

231 Bob's Kid  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:25:34am

Good morning everyone...I don't know what's going on because I have been in lovely Fallon Nevada all weekend, on a Geocaching Rally.

Anything exciting happen for the last few days?

232 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:29:29am

Swampy,

What do you mean IF you get to go to the Texas BBQ, no, no, no, unacceptable! When you make my list that's the end of it, yours and Swampmans portion of meat has been bought. lol!

233 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:30:50am

# 230 SW

You do cheer me up, girl.

he would realize that he ain't Henry Higgins and I'm not Eliza DooLittle.

. My all-time favorite musical. Seen it a thousand times, have it on (I think)on Beta (!), VHS and DVD,and yet get sucked into watching it again every single time I happen to catch it when flipping through channels on the idiot box.

234 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:32:21am

Mike C.

She's a peach huh?

235 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:33:17am

# 231 Bob's Kid

OK, I gotta ask - "Geocatching rally" ? exactly what the heck is that ?

236 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:33:48am

#197 armytramp - in addition to the excellent advice given by American Infidel, you should notify whomever it is that hosts your blog, and file an abuse complaint.
You might also think of contacting Roger L. Simon (a famous mystery novelist and one of Charles' anti-Idiotarians) at
[Link: rogerlsimon.com...] and ask him for advice.

237 Charles  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:34:09am

justdanny: I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. Take care, partner; you have lots of friends here.

238 sandspur  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:35:02am

#173 justdanny

You have my deepest sympathy.
God Bless your Mom and you, Danny. You are a fine son. I hope my own boy grows up to be as loving to me as you to your Mom.

239 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:35:16am

Good morning, Charles (genuflecting in your direction).

240 MARS Trucker  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:35:52am

#80 manker
This "Cowboy" Trucker thanks you. Yours was the first post I read when I got up, Choked me up with pride for W., and what this represents about the U.S.

241 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:36:23am

# 234 'Nam Grunt

Indeed. I can hear her now - "Oww ! I'm a good girl, I am !"

242 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:37:45am

#226 Stirred,not shakin'- that was BAD - in a good way. LOL!

243 [Engineer]  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:38:01am

#233 Mike C.

My all-time favorite musical. Seen it a thousand times, have it on (I think)on Beta

Well, at least I'm not the only poster old enough to have Beta tapes.

244 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:38:59am

Mike C.

Yeah! I know her type because that's the wimmen I love down to earth Southern Girls, she's not foolin' me . lol!

245 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:39:09am

#244

HEH! Not THAT well know, but if you googled my name you would get a few thousand hits.

But yeah, I will take your advice. Though I doubt I will be getting bulletproof windows.

My guess is that since the post has been up for weeks now, these asshats were just doing a websearch to find anyone who said BOO about the subject so they could raise a stink.

246 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:40:01am

know=known.

Me very good writer, yeah ahunh.

247 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:41:45am

Howard Dean is on Meet the Press.

Guess what, he's talking about how evil the Republicans are.

Maybe because the Democrats have nothing to offer other than scaring people and saying "no"?

248 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:44:32am

# 243 engineer

Actually, I think we got rid of most of the Beta tapes when we laft the ME a dozen years ago. A lot that we accumulated there were in PAL/Secam format and wouldn't have played on a standard US TV anyway without an expensive and hard-tofind (in the US) converter. There went all my tapes of "Black Adder", but I have had those all replaced now,

249 quark2  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:45:40am

G'morning minions.

Just saw Charles' post.

((JustDanny))

Our prayers go with you, may you be guided by the grace and love from above. We're here
for you.

250 jwm  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:48:49am

#173 Justdanny
My thoughts and prayers are with you, bro.
God Bless.
JWM

251 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:49:17am

Sigh. After intense negotiations with SwampMan, I have lost and am cookin' up the chicken-fried steaks for breakfast. He has consented to do my laundry, however, which consists of walking to the washing machine and dropping it in.

252 MARS Trucker  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:50:42am

#173 justdanny

Be at peace Danny, she is in a better place. My utmost condolences to you and your family.

253 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:51:28am

[Engineer] and Mike C. what are "beta" tapes?
(ducks and runs for cover)!

254 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:54:03am

#246 Armytramp

Me very good writer, yeah ahunh.

Yes, you is. I has frequent commented on it (G).

255 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:54:29am
256 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:54:35am

Just shoot me now. Listening to a new piece on CNN Int. about "Emotional Intelligence" training for senior-level business executives. Hey - how about getting a handle on the freaking technical stuff, guys ? One of the clients for this crapola mentioned in the piece was, of all companies, Shell Oil, who very recently had to admit that a very large portion of their so-called reserves were bogus. Hello ? You don't need to attend a seminar concerning how you "feel" about something. You need to be able to tell your ass from a hole in the ground. Grr.

257 manker  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:57:38am

justdanny

Sorry for your loss

258 [Engineer]  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:59:04am

Just finshed roasting the week's coffee and man does my house smell good!

259 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 5:59:43am

#173 justdanny
The mourning is for the living, for your Mom, it is all glory now...

Mourner's Kaddish

Magnified and sanctified be His great name in the world which He hath created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom during your life and during your days, and during the life of all the house of Israel, even speedily and at a near time, and say ye, Amen.

Let His great name be blessed for ever and to all eternity.

Blessed, praised and glorified, exalted, extolled and honored, magnified and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He; though He be high above all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations, which are uttered in the world; and say ye, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life for us and for all Israel; and say ye, Amen.

He who maketh peace in his high places, may He make peace for us and for all Israel; and say ye, Amen.

Holding you in my heart JustDanny...

260 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:00:17am

# 251 SW

Make him do the folding/hanging part of the laundry. That's where the real work is. Only takes a minute to dump it n the machine.

# 253 realwest

That's the format that TV stations and professionals still use. It's just flat-out technically better than VHS. But, in the age of true digital recording to non-tape media, who cares ?

261 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:00:43am

#254

Thanks, hon!

262 armytramp  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:01:26am

#255

I got his email address. It is a hotmail account.

263 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:01:30am

Morning Babba! ;-)

264 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:02:31am

Morning Nammalla.
I saw The Kingdom of Heaven last night, there was no one there, they were all seeing Star Wars...

265 Mike C.  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:04:01am

Well, that's it guys. After 11, so I am outta here. Gotta get my ugly sleep. Carry on. Mike C.out.

266 tony clifton  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:04:04am

I'm watching Dean on Meet the Press. Did he really just say that Osama had nothing to do with 9/11? I spit my breakfast on the table. What a bonehead slip. And then he fumbled over some biblical verses like an ass. It was crash and burn for the muhajidean this morning.

267 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:04:29am

Babba,

;-)))

268 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:05:24am

Goodnight Mike!

269 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:05:38am

#251 Swampy

I have lost and am cookin' up the chicken-fried steaks for breakfast.

A woman after my own heart...

270 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:05:50am

Wow, Howard Dean is renaming "abortion" to; "health care issue".

271 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:06:55am

#256 Mike C

Hey - how about getting a handle on the freaking technical stuff, guys ? One of the clients for this crapola mentioned in the piece was, of all companies, Shell Oil, who very recently had to admit that a very large portion of their so-called reserves were bogus. Hello ? You don't need to attend a seminar concerning how you "feel" about something. You need to be able to tell your ass from a hole in the ground. Grr.

I am so with you on that one. I would be just happy as hell if emotional life/work were two separate areas.

If I stayed in corporate life (which I am NOT suited for) I would be taking a freakin' sensitivity class, I just know it.

272 manker  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:07:03am

Hey Nam Grunt did you see the little flash movie in post #80?

273 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:07:08am

#270 Geepers
Yeah, I guess dead humans don't have an issue with health care is his point?
No, huh?

274 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:08:23am

Goodnight, Mike C! I would need about 6 more hours of sleep to just be upgraded to ugly.

275 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:10:37am

#270 Geepers

Wow, Howard Dean is renaming "abortion" to; "health care issue".

How about renaming at a "Destroyed-health care issue" for the baby?

276 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:11:32am
277 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:11:58am
278 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:12:38am

Sensitivity training? One of the positive byproducts of the wedding I attened a couple of weeks ago is that I missed (damn!) a mandatory 2-hour seminar in sexual harassment (how to avoid it, not commit it)...

279 jas  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:12:42am

justdanny

I am very sorry to hear of your loss. Having lost my own mother when she was only 55, I can only hope for you that she filled your life with plenty of joy. Remember, the pain is yours, not hers. She suffers no more and has gone on to a greater happiness than we all have known. God Bless her and you.

280 cardiacmont  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:13:00am

Seems like old news, but the more stories like this, the better.
Caroline Glick at Townhall.com

From the article:

Queen Margrethe of Denmark said last month that people have to take the "challenge" of Islam seriously. "We have to run the risk of being labeled in an unflattering way, because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance," she said.
281 [Engineer]  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:13:52am

#271 SwampWoman

If I stayed in corporate life (which I am NOT suited for) I would be taking a freakin' sensitivity class, I just know it.

A few years ago, they made all of us take a sexual harassment class. I think the deal was that they could then say that they had tried if they got sued. I can tell you that there is no faster way to get fired at this company and yet people still do it.

282 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:14:51am

BabbaZee (#273),

It seems like he and the Democrats wants to rename it to remove the stigma attached to it.

As if renaming crap; "rose petals" will make it smell good.

283 jas  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:15:08am

#259 BabbaZee

That was beautiful.

284 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:17:05am

#272 manker,

How kewl is that! Eggscelent as Rayra says. I remember when I was a lil''Nam Grunt, me and my Dad used to watch Johnny Mack Brown movies together, now he's in heaven watching them. ;-)

285 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:17:09am

#282 Geepers

It seems like he and the Democrats wants to rename it to remove the stigma attached to it.

Nothing new there. That's why they are pro-choice, not pro-abortion...

286 manker  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:19:01am

#284 'Nam Grunt

Glad to see you enjoyed it

287 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:19:56am

#283 jas
selah

288 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:21:36am

#282 Geepers
The manipulation of political language by the Nothing is so INCREDIBLY evil...

289 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:22:47am

christheprofessor (#285),

Apparently he and Democrats now even have a problem "pro-choice" as Mr. Dean said he would like to "strike the word 'choice' from the lexicon."

Striking out words, that sounds like Fascism to me.

290 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:24:48am

Geeps:
But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.
~ George Orwell

291 justdanny  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:25:14am

Listen everyone, I say your words pick me up, but that is a tired old expression that does not do service to the strength you all have given me.

I am truly raised up by the friendships I have here. Every one of you, all of you, you have held me up. I could not have been so here for Mom if you all had not been so here for me.

I cant thank you all enough.

292 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:26:22am
293 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:27:11am

I think that Iraqi and Afghan prisons should be a joint operation with theirs and our Troops running these prisons, that would put a halt to the MSM BS about maltreatment. IMHO!

294 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:27:38am

#289 Geepers

Thanks for the update, am doing some work and not watching it.

What asshats these people really are. And how somebody who is a doctor and has allegedly taken the Hypocratic Oath can say they are not taking lives when performing abortions is beyond me. It flies in the face of science. Perhaps they took the Hyprocritic Oath instead...

295 not neo just conservative  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:30:20am

#293 'Nam Grunt

I think that Iraqi and Afghan prisons should be a joint operation with theirs and our Troops running these prisons, that would put a halt to the MSM BS about maltreatment. IMHO!

I'd agree to that. Particularly if we let the Iraqi's and Afghan's take over the interrogation of prisoners. They've got quite a bit more latitude than we do on how they gather information.

296 American Infidel[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:30:24am
297 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:33:01am

#295 not neo just conservative,

There you go!

298 westbankmama  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:34:03am

OK, I'll admit my ignorance:

What are "peeps"?

299 BenZacharia  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:35:35am

Geepers
Need help with that roof?

300 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:35:51am

#291
{justdanny}

301 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:36:13am

A.I.,

Capturing and gathering intelligence from these filthy muslims is much better than killing them all in any firefight, in the long run that saves more coalition lives. IMO!

302 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:36:15am

#298 westbankmama
people

303 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:37:20am

#298 westbankmama,

People!

304 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:37:46am

LOL!

305 not neo just conservative  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:39:58am

Hey Mohammed, we're not allowed to question you guys any more. Don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities. We're going to turn you over to the locals for interrogation. Achmed will be handling your questioning from now on...

306 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:40:25am

No, peeps are those little marshmellow bunnies that appear like, well, rabbits, around Easter-time... (they blow up like balloons in the micro-nuke, btw)...

307 PDM  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:40:26am

#173 justdanny,

I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your mother. If there is anything I can do you are always welcome to write or call. I'll be there however I can.
Know that you stepped up to a task that many children run from these days. In my eyes you are a great son and a great man. I'm sure your mother felt the same. She was lucky to have had a son like you.
May she rest in peace.

308 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:41:08am

westbankmama (#298),

Peeps are little sugar coated marshmallow candies.

Or, trendy dweeb-speak for "people".

309 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:43:47am

OT

Found a link to this on PowerLine...

Leaving the left: I can no longer abide the simpering voices of self-styled progressives -- people who once championed solidarity

From the article:

My estrangement hasn't happened overnight. Out of the corner of my eye I watched what was coming for more than three decades, yet refused to truly see. Now it's all too obvious. Leading voices in America's "peace" movement are actually cheering against self-determination for a long-suffering Third World country because they hate George W. Bush more than they love freedom
310 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:46:54am

#291 justdanny -"I cant thank you all enough."

You just did.

311 NY Nana  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:47:04am

justdanny

I am so sorry. May G-d bless you for the wonderful son you were, and for what you did for your mother OBM, when she made the gravity of her illness known. You did everything right.

Now she is in heaven as another of G-d's angels, looking down with love upon you for making her final days full of love and caring.

Please take care of yourself, and know that your friends are here for you whenever you need someone to talk to.

(((justdanny)))

312 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:47:34am

christheprofessor (#294),

No problem. After watching his hour long performance I can assure you that he has most definitely taken a Hypocritical Oath.

313 SwampWoman  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:48:16am

#281 {Engineer}

A few years ago, they made all of us take a sexual harassment class. I think the deal was that they could then say that they had tried if they got sued. I can tell you that there is no faster way to get fired at this company and yet people still do it.

Well, there's sexual harrassment and there's sexual harrassment. A colleague of mine was dismissed because he said "Your husband let you leave the house DRESSED like that?" to a woman that looked more appropriately dressed for soliciting sailors on shore leave (not that there is anything wrong with that) than the business world. (He just kind of blurted it out, I was busily thinking "What the HELL were you thinking?" and wondering what the reaction would have been if a male would have come into work with a plunging neckline, bare midriff, and bottom barely covered even though it was casual Friday.)

Yes, I know that theoretically she should be able to come to work wearin' nothin' at all and not be subjected to comments, but there's the ideal world and there's the real world.

Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough. I remember my first job at a state government office when I was a high school student; my boss asked me if I wanted to see his etchings. On his ceiling. I thought it was incredibly funny because he was OLD (in retrospect, probably about 40, if that). Uncontrolled laughter was probably NOT the reaction he was lookin' for.

314 Powderfinger  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:49:09am

justdanny, it's a reciprocal thing, ya know.

315 Geepers  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:49:27am

BenZacharia (#299),

Need help with that roof?

That, and about two dozen other things. ;-)

316 'Nam Grunt  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:51:32am

#315 Geepers,

If you hire illegals for a dollar a day, I'm turning you in, they should only be paid by our Government. ;-)))

317 Powderfinger  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:52:57am

#276 AI

"Until we have someone on the other side who is willing to say 'Yes,' we're not going to continue to prostitute the American presidency to people who aren't serious," said Smith, one of six U.S. congressmen who attended the forum. "It's a mystery to me why Arab countries can't work on their own countries before Palestine is fixed," he added.

OMFG! YES! YES! YES!

We need more and more of this. Actually, the Arabs need more and more of this.

And at a WEF conference...how sweet is that?

Beautiful. From an Oregonian, no less.

318 winry-chan  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:53:04am

281, [engineer]
it is not called that where i work-- it is Sexual Harrassment Training.
They are training you to recognize it.
The PC defn is someone who annoys you.
When i came back, i told all the guys in my group at work that they annoyed me every day! ;)

319 christheprofessor  Sun, May 22, 2005 6:58:09am

From the article linked in #309 above:

These days the postmodern left demands that government and private institutions guarantee equality of outcomes. Any racial or gender "disparities" are to be considered evidence of culpable bias, regardless of factors such as personal motivation, training, and skill. This goal is neither liberal nor progressive; but it is what the left has chosen. In a very real sense it may be the last card held by a movement increasingly ensnared in resentful questing for group-specific rights and the subordination of citizenship to group identity. There's a word for this: pathetic.
320 realwest  Sun, May 22, 2005 7:11:57am

#314 Powderfinger - Amen.

321 Sarah D.  Sun, May 22, 2005 7:27:52am

(((justdanny)))

We all mourn with you.


I'm off to visit my friend who was diagnosed with brain cancer. A huge thank you to all you Lizards who have helped me out with this, you know who you are.

Iron Fist, you are the best. Love ya.

322 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, May 22, 2005 7:42:30am
323 Zack  Sun, May 22, 2005 8:14:07am

Optimistic Zionist Bangladeshi editor gets out of jail - Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury's Nightmare in Dhaka op-ed in the JPost.

324 zigzag  Sun, May 22, 2005 8:23:53am

and, mentioning beagle, everyone add on a special prayer of fortitude for his family... and bless us all.

325 pilots wife  Sun, May 22, 2005 8:29:28am

justdanny

Heartfelt condolances to you. I'm a frequent lurker/occasional poster but I've been lifting you and your mom up daily in prayer.

May you find comfort and solace in your grief--you have many friends here. I know the anguish of losing a parent, but you have done everything in your power to help her. I only hope that I will be as strong as you when I am called.

Blessings of peace to you, freind.

326 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 8:47:52am

#324 zigza
Selah and Amen

327 BabbaZee  Sun, May 22, 2005 8:49:55am

#313 SwampWoman
HAHAHAHA
i had a commercial art teacher lock me in a darkroom once and say: "Are you afraid, beautiful?"
And Beautiful said, in a voice filled with steel and murder "Not at all. But you should be."
The door flew open!

LOL!
YOu laughed at him... Gawd I love you

328 richard mcenroe  Sun, May 22, 2005 10:53:13am

#313 — Old Playboy cartoon: Woman sulking on her couch, obviously just back from a date, to her roommate:

"He invited me in to show me his etchings. Then he showed me his etchings."

329 Baldy  Sun, May 22, 2005 2:17:29pm

Justdanny - I am so sorry.


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