Emily Latella voice: "Never mind."

In times of universal deciet, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
~ George Orwell

Verdict First, Trial Afterwards.

In other words - they don't care if they're being treated better than in their home countries, but so long as Bush is in office, they can call it a gulag?

I bet if a psycho angry left Democrat were in office, AI would praise them to the skies and tell them they're doing the right thing.

I say let AI's members and leadership be forced to take them into their homes, cook Islamic approved meals, convert a room into a prayer nook, and see how long it takes for their guests not to slit their throats, rape the women, or throw their hosts out on their sorry elitist asses.

All I can say is: Why am I not surprised?

Drudge had a story out a few days ago that said William Schulz dontated $2000 to the Kerry election campaign, which was the maximum amount allowed.

So much for "non-partisan". Idiots.

I'm worn out. Shoot the b*stards and have done with it.

Who the terrorists?

Yes, them too.

Why let a little thing like the truth get in the way of your propoganda?

Now, is their goal to:
1) minimize the true extent of the horrors committed by their friends, the Communists;
2) Make the US look bad;
3) Help their terrorist buddies; or
4) All of the above?

Personally, I go with #4.

I'm not sure if William Schulz is a pedophile, murderous, lying, thief but it would sure be fascinating to find out.

(Proof to follow at some time in the future.)

#9 solomonpanting
Well there is no evidence that what you say isn't true /Newsweak

I watched the interview with Schultz and I must say, that though I hadn't wanted to watch I'm glad I did because the FOX news guy showed what a piece of sh*t this guy is. He's colluding with his colleague Irene Khan in labelling Gitmo and what happens there and the President and Donald Rumsfeld with the basest assessment and then admits he doesn't really know what happens in Gitmo.

When he was forced to admit he's already donated to Kerry's next campaign I thought he was going to lay and egg. He looked like he'd swallowed one at least.

Two words...

flawed intelligence

#12 sundance
Meaning what, Herr Crypt-o-gram?

#11 foreign devil

When he was forced to admit he's already donated to Kerry's next campaign I thought he was going to lay and egg. He looked like he'd swallowed one at least.

Ooooooo, what fun!

I could never understand where they got this ridiculous line from anyway. Now that I know for sure it is horseshit I can rest easier.

Another LLL functionary down the tubes huh? I mean we can't believe most of the press, the Dhimmie left and now Amnesty International...who the hell can we believe anymore?

If it weren't for the blogosphere we would be totally clueless. Thank you Charles and the pajamahedeen.

Well at least this explains their comparison

The don’t know really what’s happing in Gitmo

They pretend not to know what happened in the Gulags

Let's face it - Amnesiacs International is using the "Sergeant Schultz" motto:
"I know NOTHING! NOOOOOTHING!"

Wotta buncha boobs.

JAFLW

Wlliam Schulz also said in yet another suprisingly frank moment, 'Oh, I just made the whole thing up about the Gulag and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld being a torture-master. The point was to try to do some damage to America's reputation for morality and to the war effort.'

/

Meanwhile, America bends over and takes it up the rear end - with the NY Times taking notes.

Meanwhile, the MSM continues to peddle the Gitmo Gulag meme as Mike Lukovich's editorial cartoon in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution clearly implies that the "Gulag" also houses civilian political dissenters.

[Link: img.coxnewsweb.com...]

What an odious ass!

#13 BabbaZee

#12 sundance
Meaning what, Herr Crypt-o-gram?

She means Amnesty International rushed ahead with flawed intellegence, if not an intention to be a good little Dhimmi (or in the case of Khan, a good little Islamofacist supporter).

Perhaps the tide of LLLspeak can be halted or even reversed due to actions like this.

#20 Lysander
That's a relief! ;-)

Amnesty International:
" Our Claims are Fake but Accurate "

J.D.:

The more I think about that interview some fine points are coming to me; for instance: if Schultz has already donated $1 thousand to Kerry's upcoming campaign...does that mean that Kerry is already running (probably) and that MoveOn.org and Soros are back in action funding the 'dirty tricks dept.'. If so...then all this GITMO stuff is being driven by the nasty dept. of Kerry's next campaign.

So Soros has coopted Amnesty International and probably the other NGOs like the guy from Human Rights Watch today who agreed with Schultz. Soros and company (MoveOn.org) are giving something to AI and friends for their support...probably federal funding in the future or...whatever but that's what's driving this new push to close GITMO as well.

Well...if they want to close it...what are you to do with the prisoners. Let them go? Why not just hand them a machete or sword and tell them to kill you now...save the trouble of winning and then letting them go only to have them come at you again and kill you.

THIS IS SO MORONIC IT'S BEYOND BELIEF AND I BELIEVE KERRY AND SOROS ARE DRIVING IT.

IT'S GOT ALL THE SMELLS AND EARMARKS OF THEIR TONE-DEAF APPROACH!

#21 solomonpanting

Absolutely, I'm just pining away for the day to come when I am in a position to organize one of these conservative moments against liberal indoctrinations in the public schools. Thanks for that.

Sheesh! These people just never stop lying!

#25 Yank in the EU

I'm curious. In what capacity would you be able to organize?

#6, Muppet,

Yep. He admitted to that on Chris Wallace's show tonight on Fox. That, and $1000 to (you ready for this ?....)Ted Kennedy' campaign.

AI just shot themselves in the foot.

#24 Foreign Devil

You just don't understand their Nuance. haha. Idiots.

Hey. Here's an idea. If you don't know what you're talking about - shut your dirty c*ck holster.

/ rant over.

#29 SlothB77:

I'm just dreeeeaaaaaddding being bored to death by Kerry's patented whines for another four years. At least we can look forward to the Democrats taking another hit in 2006 before that happens. But suffering through another Kerry run....hell, I'd almost rather have Hilary....OMG what am I saying...?

What the Democrats should do is grow up and get over themselves and pick Zell Miller to head the party and run for President. That and Lieberman as VP maybe. That'd be a good combination and you'd know they'd take defence and Israel seriously.

But the Democrats will never do that. They're not that smart.

#24 foreign devil
Take your pick.
The Politics of Peace: What's Behind the Anti-War Movement - John J. Tierney

Asked about the comparison, Schulz said, "Clearly this is not an exact or a literal analogy." "... But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons into which people are being literally disappeared ... And in some cases, at least, we know that they are being mistreated, abused, tortured and even killed."

But he knows for sure about that.

#25 solomonpanting

Oh, I mean that I eventually hope to have a family - in the US someplace. And if my kids come home having learned somebody's radical agenda, I think I would be interested in trying to talk to the other parents about taking action. Being a leader of some sort might be a way to deal with frustration after articles like the one on this thread. Here was a good quote from your link:

An aggrieved faction of conservative high school students and parents appears eager to take up the cause...

Your link shows how far small movements can influence the community.

BabbaZee & Lysander

Indeed that’s what I meant, the hypocrisy is clear

All of this tells me something interesting; if Kerry is already drafting and paying off people to shill for him (like Schultz of AI), then George Soros is involved and probably the MoveOn.org people (though I hear it got a bad rep and they've changed the name but the people are the same). That means 'dirty tricks' is already up and running and this GITMO stuff from these jumped up NGOs and hangers-on like the Human Rights Watch guy who colluded with Schultz, are being paid to go forth and stir things up against the President and the Republicans.

They won't care what it does to the country or it's image abroad. In fact, the more trouble they can stir up the better. Kerry and Soros are behind this and the NYTimes is shilling for them again with today's story about closing GITMO.

Exposing them as Wallace did is the best way to put them where they belong. In the craven slave column. The 'golums'!

S.O.S. Different day.

Q: Amnesty
A: Amnasty

...the group doesn't "know for sure" that the military is running a "gulag."

Well, maybe not, but a Koran was definitely kicked. And touched without gloves.

From the article:

Many have been held without charge for more than three years.

Because they're not criminal defendants, you asshats. Why is that so hard for MSM to understand?

Asked about the comparison, Schulz said, "Clearly this is not an exact or a literal analogy."

But, um, gulags had prisoners, and Gitmo has prisoners, and uh, bars and stuff.

Tool.

#21 solomonpanting

Perhaps the tide of LLLspeak can be halted or even reversed due to actions like this.

From your link

But the AFT does oppose on principle efforts to curtail a perceived liberal bias at colleges, stating in a 2004 resolution that "political control and/or interference in scholarship and teaching are totally incompatible with the maintenance and development of a free, democratic and progressive society."

They are so far left that they think a "progressive society" is a good thing. Not the way they define it, it is not.

#34 SlothB77:

That phrase "...maintains an archipelago of prisons..." is familiar. I've heard it used earlier this week so it seems the 'sloganator' is already churning out slogans for Soros' legion of liars and 'maintains an archipelago of prisons...' is going to be one you'll hear until you could gag!

But so what? So what if the US maintains an archipelago of prisons. You'd need to if you have a lot of these jihadis to keep locked up. What's the alternative?

Maintain an archipelago of graveyards across the world by executing jihadis when we find them?

MORONS!

#2 BabbaZee

George Orwell pins taqqiya

The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.

See, that's the problem with doing `shrooms one day and heroin the next - it's really hard to keep your story straight.

I did the rounds at Kos, Atrios, Josh Marshall, etc... and no comment on this idiot from Am-nasty Intl

#43 Ben B
That's one of my favorites quotes of his - I have posted in here many times, too!

Let it be known that it was AI's three-fer Irene Khan who made the original language, the ignoramus, third world, whitey hating, America bashing, backward logic insult to democracy itself. When that backfired they put a nice WASP face (William Schulz) on the organization.

AI has commited a breech of rigid-rectum WASP protocol and now they trot out just the man to fix it before it cost them too many nickles in their regular support. With the left its always about money.

#41 [Engineer] 6/5/2005 03:55PM PDT

Yes, I agree.

Seeing as how 'progressive' has basically replaced 'liberal', the insertion of progressive into the quoted statement serves to avoid the 'L' word and project a 'positive' spin on how the left describes their world view.

I'm one of those 2 million AI members. (Too low ranking to change much just yet. )
There are real concerns about Guantanamo Bay, but this is stupid. I thought we investigated before we concluded bombastically. Perhaps the leadership thought they would make the Navy and the administration pay for not giving Amnesty access. Instead, it's all the other human rights causes that take have to take the credibility hit.

And if we take Biden on his word, our accusations of torture help provide excuses for the headchoppers.

Swell.

The ICRC should have access though.

"And whether the Americans like it or not, it does reflect how the more than 2 million Amnesty members in a hundred countries around the world and indeed the vast majority of those countries feel about the United States' detention policy," he said.

uh oh, here comes the "Fake but Accurate" elements. They FEEL this way, thus it must be this way, when, in fact, they just don't know.

Hey youse'all - On Saturday's Open Thread, KariCommunist posted a link to a part of this story. I'm copying and pasting my reply cause I think it's still relevent and TELLING about AI's lack of morals:
" For the first time since controversy erupted over a claim by Amnesty International that the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay is a "gulag," a senior official from that organization is backing away from the charge.

Challenged over use of the incendiary term, Josh Rubenstein, Northeast Regional Director of Amnesty International, called the comparison between Soviet-style death camps and the U.S. facility in Cuba "overheated rhetoric."

Mr. Rubenstein's decision to back away from the gulag comparison stands in marked contrast to comments from Kate Gilmore, Amnesty's deputy secretary general, who defended Khan's remarks on Saturday.

"The issue of the gulag is about policies and practices," she told the New York Times, saying procedures at Guantanamo are "a breach of the Geneva Convention."

Gilmore boasted that the gulag flap had helped publicize Amnesty's findings, explaining, "We're getting MORE AIRING of our message THAN WE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE." [emphasis added by realwest]

Got it ok, Ms. Gilmore. The end justifies the means. What a novel concept. How did such a morally and intellectually bankrupt person (and her comrade in arms, Ms. Kahn) EVER rise to positions of power in AI?
That is, of course, a rhetorical question.

#49 MagnaniomousCoward

The ICRC should have access though.

They practically live there. I believe they have a permanent presence. I just read that today. If I find the link I'll post it.

#33 J.D.:

Excellent link. Thanks. I've bookmarked it and will read it later. I'm glad these think tanks are keeping up with this stuff and not just saying it's all in our minds. I knew it would be the same old crowd ANSWER and AI and Human Rights Watch all driven by that America hater Soros and his billions.

Small wonder they don't know. Here are more liberals who don't know everthing. The Dartmouth Review Culture Quiz:
The Dartmouth Review's culture survey of 242 students was conducted May 16-27 in Thayer Dining Hall. While not scientific per se, the results represent a disturbing trend in the knowledge base of the typical Dartmouth student.

What famous brothers founded Rome?
Percent Incorrect: 36.0

What does quod erat demonstrandum (Q.E.D.) mean?
Percent Incorrect: 67.8

Name five US Supreme Court justices.
Percent Incorrect: 84.3

What English king signed the Magna Carta?
Percent Incorrect: 81.4

Who painted The Birth of Venus ca. 1482?
Percent Incorrect: 76.0

Name one of the three authors of The Federalist Papers.
Percent Incorrect: 55.0

Who was Dante's guide through Hell?
Percent Incorrect: 75.6

Name one of the two men who invented calculus:
Percent Incorrect: 53.7

What is the dominant sect of Islam in Iran?
Percent Incorrect: 61.6

What famous battle occurred in October of 1066 AD?
Percent Incorrect: 77.3

Who wrote the 1812 Overture?
Percent Incorrect: 78.1

What Shakespearean character demanded a "pound of flesh" to repay a debt?
Percent Incorrect: 74.6

Where is Michelangelo's Creation of Adam located?
Percent Incorrect: 49.2

Which President's pet project was building the Panama Canal?
Percent Incorrect: 43.4

Who wrote "A Modest Proposal"?
Percent Incorrect: 75.2

Who composed the symphony with a movement known as "Ode to Joy?"
Percent Incorrect: 36.8

What woman was the cause of the Trojan War?
Percent Incorrect: 16.1

What is the major third party in British politics?
Percent Incorrect: 90.9

Name three of the twelve apostles:
Percent Incorrect: 83.1

Who wrote Democracy in America?
Percent Incorrect: 80.6

Which four US Presidents were assassinated?
Percent Incorrect: 89.7

Who wrote Don Quixote?
Percent Incorrect: 53.7

Name three freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Percent Incorrect: 54.1

Who wrote "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"?
Percent Incorrect: 80.2

Who wrote Faust?
Percent Incorrect: 75.6

Who wrote the novel The Brothers Karamazov?
Percent Incorrect: 60.3

Who invented the printing press?
Percent Incorrect: 53.7

Name the five Great Lakes:
Percent Incorrect: 54.5

I can't get the answer link to work, but I'm sure LGFers will find this a walk in the park.

#24 foreign devil

Amnesty International doesn't accept funding from governments.

AI takes donations from private citizens and from businesses though. AI doesn't take money from businesses that might be involved in a case being investigated.

Now, AI might have to institute a policy against it top management donating to political campaigns.

And against making claims with flimsy support in facts.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Natan Sharansky chimes in, as well as Human rights expert Anthony Arend from Georgetown University chime in as well, and basically say AI is stupid. :)

This "fake but accurate" standard used by the critics of Bush is so transpartantly worthless I am astounded that they still try to pass it off. I guess it must work at some level or they wouldn't do it.

I expect that in the future the fake but accurate tactic will be used to sell soda pop in some fashion.

#8
I aggree with you 110 percent.

#49 MagnaniomousCoward

The ICRC should have access though.

Why? I could go for the American Red Cross, but the ICRC has proven over and over that they hate America and Israel.

OT He's at it again.

More Rather Blather

Former CBS News anchor Dan Rather said Saturday he believes that Watergate whistleblower "Deep Throat" showed the importance of investigative journalism and the judicious use of anonymous sources.

Former FBI official W. Mark Felt revealed last week that he was the anonymous source dubbed "Deep Throat" who shared information with The Washington Post and helped bring down the Nixon presidency in the Watergate scandal.

Rather told about 830 journalists at the annual Investigative Reporters and Editors convention that one of the most important lessons from Watergate was that it was a reminder of the power that government officials have to manipulate the press.

"There's never been a better reason for investigative reporting," Rather said. "I hope the public sees it that way."

#54 mpax - I'm absolutely astounded. Not that I can answer all of those questions correctly, but that a majority can't recall at least 3 of the first ten amendments to the constitution (the Bill of Rights)? That a majority couldn't name 5 of the 9 justices of the Supreme Court? That a majority don't know the dominant sect of Islam in Iran? That an overwhelming majority can't name 3 of the Apostles?
If you're still around later when Charles posts his open thread for today, you might want to repost this there.

#55 MagnaniomousCoward 6/5/2005 04:11PM PDT
#24 foreign devil

Amnesty International doesn't accept funding from governments.

Sorry, but yes they do. Without the tax break the donors get from their governments, how much would AI get?

We need to rethink the whole idea of giving somebody a tax break because he supports some group.

If we had a REAL press corps, every time these people had an interview or a conference, the first press question would be:

"Given that you said Guantanamo was a "gulag," then defended that statement publicly, then admitted that you didn't know what what going on in Guantanamo but it would be fascinating to find out, why in the world should we report or even consider what you have to say until you explain or apologize for your earlier behavior?"

If no explanation is forthcoming, neither is coverage.

But, alas, we have no real press corps.

#59 Rayra - yeah, I know that the ICRC has visited Gitmo several times, but don't recall ever hearing, seeing or reading any report from them on the conditions there. Since ICRC is fairly notoriously anti-American, don't you think they would have said something about this Gulag?
See my #51 as to why AI went with this gulag crap in the first place. You won't be surprised.

#61 [Engineer]

Because monitoring detainees are their primary function. And they have strict neutrality rules. You may dislike their reports, but its the closest thing to independent of country you'll find. The UN has its problems as you know.

National Red Cross organizations are valuable civil assist organizations, and they cooperate, but they belong to their home countries. Would you believe the Iraqi Red Crescent under Saddam saying that all was right in Iraq?

And despite their accusation that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is “a high-level architect of torture,” they have no idea if that’s true either.

but it FEEEELS so good to say it.

Typical leftist bullshit.

#66 realwest

Under the rules, the ICRC reports are kept secret by both the country and the ICRC. The country should rectify any faults found. If one of the parties makes a statement about the report or quotes a part of it, then the other party will release the full report.

I think an unpublished ICRC report would indicate that there were some issues. But it could, possibly, mean that things were very good, and that it was kept at hand as a "told you so" mallet to hit some foreign complaint with.

Does Amnesty Internationsal know what happened on 9/11 in NY, Pennsylvania, Washington DC, what happens on buses, in restaurants, schools, etc. in Israel, in a Beslan school, in Sudan, in the American embassy in Iran, in Bali, in NY in 1993, on board Pan Am 103, and an almost endless number of other events? TERRORISM and GENOCIDE by their precious little Muslims they whine and cry about. Are American, Jewish, Israeli, Christian, black, Australian, Balinese, Russian lives worth less than Muslims' feelings? Isn't genocide of innocent people a worse human rights abuse than a book on the floor?

Huitzilopochtli = Allah = Huitzilopochtli

#67 MagnaniomousCoward

Because monitoring detainees are their primary function. And they have strict neutrality rules

They certainly don't follow them. Check where most of their money and people go. It is to the West Bank. They spend much more per person there than they do anywhere else in the world even though the need is much less. They also lie big time about Israel. They also will not let Israel join.

Check it out for yourself and you will see what a worthless pile of sh*t they are.

AT what point can DNC/RAther shut the hell up and go away?
Actually - wait -he's great for the Democrat party. Never mind.

As annoying a liar as he is - Rather is great for the Democrat party.

heh.

Just to give you my ideas for a solution to this:

The prime movers on the "gulag" idea apologize to the press, relatives of gulag victims, and the public. A few of them leave the leadership. And the US gives AI access. Or maybe Human Rights Watch. Or the US publishes the ICRC reports.

This idea that torture is common at Guantanamo gives the headchoppers another excuse.

Apparently, AI has both the time and temerity to fling 'gulag' at the US, but has neither for this.

Maybe guantanamo was a good ides whose time is past. Move prisoners some where else.

The lefft must know that if they can derail this part of the war on terror, i.e. create a firestorm over any detention of any prisoner then it makesthe conduct of the war impossible.

Likewise the firestorm over the WMD part of the war we are fighting. The left tries to delegitimize the intelligence community results-all theresults so the hands are tied for future plans that are prob necessary.

the leftties go after Rumsfeld and Cheney to
checkmate what they do.

The left is very good at all the plans they think up. They stay on message and tehy play rough. W should play rough back but he doesn't.On anything.

The head of Amnesty Interferational doesn't "know" if the charges are true, but even if they're not, they're good headlines?

America, what a country! You get your point across best by lying. (And no, I'm not even going to bring in Hillary on this one.)

#70 Megan

Definately, yes. Those were huge abuses. The attacks give us a right to defend ourselves, and to attack those who attacked us. They do not give us a right to abuse others though. Stepping on a Quran is minor infraction, but should still be taken seriously. I think the Navy did well in the Quran case.

#72 [Engineer]

Last I checked, the ICRC employs almost exclusively Swiss citizens.

#76 big L

The left is very good at all the plans they think up. They stay on message and tehy play rough. W should play rough back but he doesn't.On anything.

Maybe there's a difference between stooping to the level of the left and igoring or pooh-poohing the antics and ravings of lunatics and fools.

#78 MagnaniomousCoward:

You call mass murder of innocent civilians "abuses"? That's typical liberal bullshit.

#74 MagnaniomousCoward

The prime movers on the "gulag" idea apologize to the press, relatives of gulag victims, and the public. A few of them leave the leadership. And the US gives AI access. Or maybe Human Rights Watch. Or the US publishes the ICRC reports.

I have a better idea. We act as the Genera Conventions provides. We hang all the unlawful combatants and release, to their governments, any that we don't have proof were unlawful combatants.

Now who could be against us following the Genera Conventions?

#77 steve miller - "And no, I'm not even going to bring in Hillary on this one."
Thanks for that!
BTW, see my #51 for the reasons AI says Kahn used the gulag "analogy".
Shouting back to Steve!

The head of Amnesty Interferational doesn't "know" if the charges are true, but even if they're not, they're good headlines?

They're just using the new meme of the el cubos - "Fake, but Accurate"

Here is a post of why we have a
Gitmo, who it is for ect. Many here have probably seen all or part of this before. I just saw it linked over at Ace of Spades. The last page tells of one detainees terrorizing experience. heh
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

realwest - sorry I haven't been around. Family matters (nothing serious) have kept me away from the keyboard for awhile.

I see the site pest is still not banned, even as two or three other odious trolls are.

I'm beginning to suspect that Charles may like the site pest...

Hope things are going well for you out there on the Way-to-the-left-of-the-Left Coast.

Courage. Dan Rather got taken down, even though it took a few months. It might take as long to boot this Aga Khan lady out as well.

#78 MagnaniomousCoward

Last I checked, the ICRC employs almost exclusively Swiss citizens.

What in the hell does that mean? Are all Swiss pure as snow?

Second, you are wrong. Most ICRC people are hired locally.

85 steve miller - LOL - saw your "shout out to me" this morning, but by the time I did
you'd gone!
And hey, I live in NYC - what's this to the Left of the Left Coast jazz?!
;>)

I remember hearing that all these foreigners caught in Afganistan were there for a wedding.

Does anyone know whose wedding that was?

Seriously,

I have no idea why all the Muslims hate the USA. I just got back from Europe and I wonder how the Muslims live there.

American society is much more compatible to their beliefs. We do not permit nudity on public TV. The drinking age is 21 instead of 18 and in most of the country you cannot drink on the street. The US is more sexually conservative. We welcome immigrants with (somewhat) open arms, Europes hates all newcomers and does its best to send them home.

Europe is like hell for muslims yet they hate us.

OT- Suspected Denver Police Killer Captured

A man suspected of shooting and killing a police detective and wounding his colleague last month was arrested in Mexico on Saturday, ending an extensive manhunt that also included investigations in Las Vegas and Los Angeles, Denver police said.

Four other people suspected of helping Raul Garcia-Gomez, 19, were arrested in Denver and Los Angeles,

and here's a shocker...Three of them, who were family members

were being held on immigration violations in Los Angeles,

#80 EIDE_Interface

I replied to this:

#70 Megan
(...) Isn't genocide of innocent people a worse human rights abuse than a book on the floor?

And I agreed.

#86 [Engineer]

I might not have kept up with policy changes at the ICRC. Of the people who actually investigate, I thought there would be no locals. If locals are allowed to conduct investigations, it would be worht a lot less.

#88 FredFryInternational

Europe is like hell for muslims yet they hate us.

I suppose they enjoy the greater social benefits, the greater pacification and dhimmitudeness, and the greater anti-semitism of Europe.

#90
worth. PIMF

One way to prevent prisoner abuse is to prevent the combatants from 'attainment of prisonerhood'.

#91 solomonpanting

I suppose they enjoy the greater social benefits, the greater pacification and dhimmitudeness, and the greater anti-semitism of Europe.

Quite correct. In effect the socialist gov'ts of Europe are bribing their Arab incomers away from violent tendencies with welfare checks - which is a real doozy of a situation with Europe's ailing economies.

#18 Yank in the EU

Wlliam Schulz also said in yet another suprisingly frank moment, 'Oh, I just made the whole thing up about the Gulag and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld being a torture-master. The point was to try to do some damage to America's reputation for morality and to the war effort.'

In fact, that is almost exactly what Schulz said to Chris Wallace. In defending the outrageous comparision between the Stalinist Gulags and Gitmo Schulz admitted that without such a comparison the issue would not have provided him the opportunity, for example being on FOX, to raise the issues they have with the Bush administration.

The truth _is_ stranger than fiction!

# 88 F

all true, 'cept for the fact the Islamists are openly planning on hanging a big sign "Under New MisManagement" over the EU within two decades ...
{!}

realwest - if you drive north on I-5 to Seattle, and take a left on I-90 -- and keep going, eventually you get to Boston or something like that. So you're WAY WAY Left Coast.

#60 Rayra

They publicize donations from businesses. But I haven't seen anything on their website about the identities of individual persons.

#64 [Engineer]

Tax excempt status shared with all other non-PAC NGO's is not government financing.

Well of course they didn't know...if the really knew what was going on they wouldn't have made that outrageous claim.

Back to my comment on an earlier thread about obsessive Bush hatred driving away reason.

#94 Yank in the EU

It is difficult to understand a mentality which comprehends the impending economic shortfall of a continuing welfare state and simultaneously encourages a non-assimilating influx of foreigners with bribes.

#98 MagnaniomousCoward

Tax excempt status shared with all other non-PAC NGO's is not government financing.

Depends on how you look at it. The fact that my taxes are higher because other people are getting tax breaks giving money to groups I don't support is a sore subject. We should end the whole deal.

Anyone remember that very, very funny Johnny Carson skit where Reagan played a doddering old fool for public, and then, as soon as the Girl Scouts left the room, he snapped into Commander mode?

I think it's like this for Bush. He gets a kick out of the way the left makes itself look so foolish, and comes across as affable in public. The worst he'll say about the AI report is that it's absurd, as if it's simply a movie he doesn't like.

Then, behind the scenes, he's working to re-create the world so that the menace of Islamofacism is not just held at bay, but eradicated.

#95 Quilly Mammoth

Let's keep an eye on Schulz. Next thing we know he will be saying: "Amnesty International is a reputable organization which has no political interests whatsoever. We are objective and non-partisan organization."

pimf 'a'

[Engineer], I know what you mean. I once briefly considered donating money to the local NPR stations - until they announced that they were, in turn, giving money to other local non-profits - non-profits that I happened to be violently in disagreement with. What I thought would go to support public radio would instead go to fund wildly left-wing causes.

(I will admit that in the 80s I donated money to NPR. It took moving to three other states to finally escape their pleadings for more money.)

Schultz, soon:
"There are no American soldiers at Baghdad Airport. Not one."

WALLACE: Mr. Schulz, if I can get a couple of final questions in. Last year, didn't you contribute $2,000, the maximum, to John Kerry's presidential campaign?

SCHULZ: I did indeed, yes.

WALLACE: Isn't it a fact that you have already contributed $1,000 to Ted Kennedy's next campaign?

SCHULZ: I have contributed, yes. And my personal political views have nothing to do with Amnesty's position. And I'll tell you why, Chris. Because Amnesty's research and policies are not set by those of us here in the United States.

Nope, no agenda here.

Fox News Transcripts

#76 big L 6/5/2005 04:43PM PDT

The lefft must know that if they can derail this part of the war on terror, i.e. create a firestorm over any detention of any prisoner then it makesthe conduct of the war impossible.

Which is exactly what they want.

88 FredFryInternational

Makes a lot of sense doesn't it. I've been saying this for years.

How come it's only the L³ that is so sure about these secret torture chambers prisons?

Once upon a time - about thirty years ago, which dates me - in my innocent youth, I believed in AI and wrote a few letters in support of detainees when they announced individual urgent cases. Now they're just another well-intentioned group of useful idiots captured by the totalitarian Left. When Islamic books become more worthy of concern and protection than Jewish lives...

I just got home a little while ago from the New York Book Expo, my favorite trade show, where an Islamic publisher's rep was passing out free English Koran translations like his life depended on getting rid of all of them by closing time. (I was much more excited over a free copy of Dungeons and Dragons for Dummies.) When my adorable 11-year-old cherub saw said Koran on the table, she snatched it up, dropped it to the carpet, and stomped on it with her delicate little foot. She's as fed up with the MSM as I am. I'm so proud of her...

The Communist News Network is now conducting a poll:
Who do you think is being more accurate over the U.S. detention of terror suspects?
(bottom right corner of page)
The results currently heavily favor Amnesty International. Perhaps a little LGF participation is in order?

AI is headed by an American and Jew hating Muslime. End of story. All Jewish members of AI should wake up.

#107 Elcid

WALLACE: Isn't it a fact that you have already contributed $1,000 to Ted Kennedy's next campaign?

SCHULZ: I have contributed, yes. And my personal political views have nothing to do with Amnesty's position. And I'll tell you why, Chris. Because Amnesty's research and policies are not set by those of us here in the United States.

Spot on.

So, Mr. Schuz, because your policies are determined by a 'global community' outside the United States, you feel this gives your organization a position of authority and objectivity, from which to judge that America runs Stalinesque Gulags?

'Global' and 'international' are indentical in meaning with 'corrupt' today. As it is often pointed out on LGF, we may as well open real 'gulags' and operate like a great evil regime of history, according to the logic of Shulz and the like. What is New York Times and AI going to do, say we are running 'Gulags'?
Thank God, America never will but that's beside the point.

#112 SumGi:

The Communist News Network is now conducting a poll:

DUmmies are all over this.

Amnesty International--A once laudable ethical International Voice of the People --exposing torture, unlawful imprisonment, and persecution of the unprotected,no matter what the risk--has morphed into a grotesque anti U.S., antisemitic, Israel bashing, inarticulate ,unethical, sloppy, Leftist Propaganda Machine --displaying unrelenting stupidity in an attempt to ferret out an excuse for existing and justifying the funds provided to guarantee self-interest(their jobs),by attacking soft but comparatively irrelevant issues that manufacture politically advantagious self serving issues and blatantly ignoring gross violators of significant importance to us all--thus eliminating furthur danger to the vacuous safety and stability of A.I..

More from the transcripts:

WALLACE:Is it possible, sir, that by excessive rhetoric or by your political links, that you have hurt, not helped, your cause?

SCHULZ: Chris, I don't think I'd be on this station, on this program today with you if Amnesty hadn't said what it said and President Bush and his colleagues haven't responded as they did. If I had come to you two weeks ago and said, "Chris, I'd like to go on Fox with you just to talk about U.S. detention policies at Guantanamo and elsewhere," I suspect you wouldn't have given me an invitation.

WALLACE: So you're saying if you make irresponsible charges, that's good for the cause?

SCHULZ: I don't believe that they're irresponsible. I've told you the ways in which I think that there are analogies between the Soviet prison system and the United States.

When is the Bush Administration going to get serious about charges of treason? Schulz is deliberately making unfounded statements that harm America and her people. He's a citizen of the US and this is not free speech. When you lie and it causes harm it is the equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre. Schulz needs to be charged and do time.

Here's a good article by Debra Saunders, a columnist who knows the score.

Hold the line at Guantanamo! This is a rerun of a previous, bleeding-heart 'win' which changed another group of obvious war criminals into 'ordinary soljers' doing their duty in the fog of war...

"None of the convicted SS soldiers were ever executed and by 1956, all of them had been released from prison. All of the death sentences had been commuted to life in prison. As it turned out, the Malmedy Massacre proceedings at Dachau, which were intended to show the world that the Waffen-SS soldiers were a bunch of heartless killers, became instead a controversial case which dragged on for over ten years and resulted in criticism of the American Occupation, the war crimes military tribunals, the Jewish prosecutors at Dachau and the whole American system of justice.

Before the last man convicted in the Dachau proceedings walked out of Landsberg prison as a free man, the aftermath of the case had involved the US Supreme Court, the International Court at the Hague, the US Congress, Dr. Johann Neuhäusler who was a survivor of the Dachau concentration camp and a Bishop in Munich, and the government of the new Federal Republic of Germany. All of this was due to the efforts of the defense attorney, Lt. Col. Willis M. Everett."

See? Kill Americans and skate when you involve legalistic interventions galore!

Well, who wants to let facts stand in the way of a good story or provocative report?

And where have these accussations of abuse and mistreatment come from. From a very few of detainees, an extremely small percentage of them, who were released!

BBC did run a story quite awhile ago about one young detainee who was interviewed and he raved of how well he was treated. He was given an education --inlcuding in the Koran, fresh fruit, good meals and spoke of how kind the solidiers were.

And what did a "humans rights" expert who was asked for their response say? He was lying! In other words, the human rights work WANTED him to have been abused.

Exactly, Nancy! "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up!"

I listened to BBC shill Andrew Gilligan reporting LIVE from Baghdad that 'There are NO Americans in Baghdad...' at the very same time CNN and al-Jazeera were broadcasting video images of said Americans IN Baghdad, helping jubilant Iraqis topple statues of the hated Saddam!

So much for 'truth', eh, BBC?

Just like Senator Biden, Executive Director William Schulz wanted to be led around by his nose. Today, Schulz tried to downplay AI's screw up, and i don't care what Biden does or says tomorrow. They both looked like a deer caught in headlights, and until they both allow these so-called “innocent detainees” into their own homes, then at best, they are mere deer caught in headlights, and at worse...at worse, then they are both clearly *LIARS*!

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When my adorable 11-year-old cherub saw said Koran on the table, she snatched it up, dropped it to the carpet, and stomped on it with her delicate little foot. She's as fed up with the MSM as I am. I'm so proud of her...

Oh my...what was the reaction of the guy handing them out?

I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

If they do not know what is going on at Gitmo how can they know what is going on at socalled secret prisons? What prisons? Did some Muslim they promised money tell them that he had been held in a secret dungeon in Nepal?

I mean really, if they are going to make charges they need to have some proof and be specific.

I would not be in the least surprised if there are detention centers at some bases, but I doubt if there is this huge global system of secret prisons.

But here is a radical thought: AI made the charge, let them back it up.

OT diversion ahead

Attn: Charles

Please devote a thread to this.

It speaks/yells for itself...
They used caps, not me.

[Link: www.oic-oci.org...]

PRESS RELEASE

OIC URGES THE UNITED STATES TO LIVE UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT SHOW LENIENCY TO PERPETRATORS OF QUR’AN DESECRATION

The Official Spokesman of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Ambassador Atta El-Manan Bakhit, has stated that the confession by the southern command of the United States army on the occurrence of cases of desecration of the Holy Qur’an in Guantanamo prison was a confirmation of the practices that had been reported in the papers and strongly condemned by the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

He said that this disgraceful conduct of those soldiers reveal their blatant hatred and disdain for the religion of millions of Muslims all over the world and throws into doubt the nature of the instructions given to the American soldiers on religious values and principles of tolerance.

He added that these unequivocally rejected practices could only lead to an incitement of religious feelings and a deepening of the gulf of difference and intolerance between the Muslim world and the United States of America.

The OIC Spokesman urged the United States Government to live up to its responsibilities and not be lenient with the perpetrators of the desecration. He also demanded that those responsible for this despicable crime should be brought to justice immediately and that urgent measures should be taken to calm the tension in the Muslim world and ensure that such detestable acts are not repeated in the future.

Jeddah: 05June2005 .

#44 TGregg

See, that's the problem with doing `shrooms one day and heroin the next - it's really hard to keep your story straight.

That's not the only problem we're going to have to tackle to reach our L³ brethern. Thankfully, help is on the way.
May 31, 2005
Movement to Classify 'Liberalism' as Mental Disorder Gains Steam

Think that some of President Bush's judicial nominees are 'out of the mainstream'? Worried that John Bolton may not have the temperament to represent the U.S. at the U.N.? If some Republicans get their way, there may soon be an official diagnosis of what really ails you: political paranoia disorder.

American Psychiatric Association approves the inclusion of "Political Paranoia" in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders...

Merovign:

But, alas, we have no real press corps.
But we do have a press corpse-they really liked 9/11! (It was all our fault!) They want America to be a corpse!

Roger L Simon wants to know - Okay, here's what I'd like to know. How much are these guys being paid to spew this propaganda?

The leftists/propagandists at Amnesty International say: (who what? - are being paid by Soros and Moore or the DNC?)

The U.S. is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons, into which people are being literally disappeared, held in indefinite, incommunicado detention without access to lawyers or a judicial system or to their families,

The greatest hidden story of our time...what happened to all the 5th column commies from the cold war?..The ones left afloat when the soviets disappeared?...they took over Amnesty and other NGOs...and maybe even the Democratic party

I think Amnesty International are all a bunch of fag baby-rapers. I don't know for sure, but its a feeling I have.