Lawrence O'Donnell [spit]!

My nominee for idiotarian award last year.

Lawrence O'Donnel wishes he were important enough to be called before a grand jury.

Oh my...shhh we sure don't want them to find out he was behind Justice O'Conner's resignation.

...the horror!

the bizarre meltdown was as classic a case of projection as I have ever seen. Lawrence needs therapy.

Rove is such a genius isn't he? He secretly had his doppleganger whisper in Robert Novak's ear that...the secret operative...was...[wait for it]...a woman! But not just ANY woman...the wife of a somebody! What somebody doesn't matter...just any somebody working in Washington and involved in 'deals in Africa'! Let the left make what they can of that. Meanwhile...he'll be getting ready for the mid-terms.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad ...

July Fools!

Bwaaahahahahahaaa!

Larry needs more than therapy he needs a new brain.

My comment from the other thread.

#62 rightymouse 7/2/2005 08:39AM PDT

"As far as I'm concerned, until the notes are turned over and verified, it's speculation. :)"

I agree, but,,, this will cause a big reaction in the MSM. They'll couple it with Rove's remarks that they were bitchin' about last week. They want to discredit W by inferring that his main man is a scondrel.

Is Lawrence just Rosie in drag?

Anyone catch the episode of American Dad that had Karl Rove in it? I swear I think that was an accurate representative of how the leftwing moonbats see him.

here's the thing - Joe Wilson is a hack; a lying tea sipping yellow-cake bundle of uselessness. His wife and her precious identity are a real zzz.

Karl Rove for SCOTUS!

According to the telepathic Rovian mind control rays,this is all true.

The moonbats would have all thier answers if they only remove their foil beanies for just a few minutes.

Muahahahahahahahahaha

Oh well... cat's out of the bag... I guess we couldn't keep it secret forever.

#11 heliotrope

Isn't Rosie already in drag?

Well, I hate to admit this, but it is a pretty good bet that somebody from the administration leaked that info. I have no problem prosecuting whoever it was, if Plame was an undercover operative. (I've heard that her status was not all that clear-cut.)

damn...someone beat me to the "Rove for SCOTUS" chant

Amazing how irrational hatred severely clouds the judgement of usually sane individuals -- Bush Derangement Syndrome continues to spread eight months after the election!

Karl did it? And two MSM reporters are ready to go to jail to protect Rove? If the fool really believes that, he needs a refund from his dealer ...

Awww, man. The video at The Daily Recycler won't play.

John McLaughlin lets O'Donnell come on his show? He must be slipping.

oh yah i do think this will be enough to push moonbats over the edge. what happens if a dem is responsible for the leak? i almost hope it is rove just to see the LLL run around yellin " its rove i tell you rove yeeearrrghghghgh"

oh that was dean when he found out.

CREEPY LIAR !

#18 tankdemon

My opinion is that this was another botched frame-up.

IMO her identity was leaked either by her husband or herself.

Her husband's reactions within hours of the story just didn't feel right to me.

A bit too non-chalant,almost choreographed.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

hmmm

Dang! That Rove must be ominpotent!
As well as allknowing!

/yawn

#21 Mossley.

Exactly unless they really hold to their ethic of protecting their sources.

The torturous logic such as these people use makes mobius strip look flat.

All Hail my Hemi-Powered,Zionist-Occupied Rovian Mind-Meld Beanie!

I don't believe it for a minute, and I'll only believe it if Rove admits it. The MSM lie day after day, I don't put it past them to lie in this case just to try to shaft Rove and Bush indirectly.

it was Rove in minnesota and in Oregon and washington Rove in Ohio yeeeaarrrghgherrrghgh!

25 Totally Sirius

I am still holding out for the possibility that it was an attempted frame up, but I think simple explanations generally trump conspiracy. I would like nothing better than to see that the leak was the work of a liberal, but I am not expecting that.

Of course, if the leak did come from a member of the administration, that will be just the beginning of the story. Once the name is made public, there are going to be demands from the left to know who authorized the leak, and who else knew about it.

Boy, you'd think that if the LLL media knew this for a fact and could prove it, moonbat Joe Wilson would have gotten his Karl Rove "frog march" two years ago.

/put up or shut up

Up his meds...

Sorry to go OT, but this is great -- somebody (Fountainhead, not Maidenhead) posted this over at IdiotMedia on their Flag Burning thread:

Honestly, you people are children. Spoiled children. Spoiled?

Um, yeah. You live in the single freest country that has ever existed. You enjoy the freedoms that have been granted you by those who founded this country, freedoms that do not inherently exist in the world, that did not exist before this country was created, and that could not have been created without...yes, a WAR. Grow up, dipshits. There are developed, Western countries today where freedom of speech DOES NOT EVEN EXIST.

I know you apparently believe that George Washington's descendants are still running the country from some castle or something, but you really just need to pull your effen heads out. Aren't you embarrassed? It's okay, I'll be embarrassed for you. For the whole temper tantrum throwing, selfish, ignorant, delusional, spoiled lot of you.

Oh no, was that name calling? I guess it was. But when you're speaking to those who only understand bumper sticker logic and whose reasoning capabilities seem to peek at Bush = Hitler . . .

Couldn't have said it better myself...

Hmm, people at DU are calling for a "frog march." I noticed somone said that if you search for frog march in google images someone's pic will show up...

[Link: images.google.com...]

He hides behind the sofa
He sneaks behind the door
He's the the one who hides the missing stuff
That should be in the drawer
He's the one who let the dog come in
and piddle on the floor
He gives the orders
Pulls the strings
Does a million sneeky things
Who is he?
JWM

ummm...who cares?

Frog march? You mean the way the French army went to war? As in, turning tail and running?

OK, the DU can have their frog march.

Again, who cares?

Just another brilliant Rove move to divert attention. (rubbing hands together) Now to chose the next Supreme Court Justice, bwahahaha!

I thought Novak once said that his source wasn't the White House.

I doubt if Ms. Plame was the least bit endangered. Plame and Wilson did a magazine spread within months of the leak. Not something people do if they're worried about being targeted by terrorists.

I posted this on the wrong thread by mistake

"Posted this earlier from Wizbang, but it fits right in.

New corollary to Occam's Razor, we can just call it MoveOn.org's Razor.

"When faced with two conflicting explanations for why an event has occured, the one that most damages Republicans is most likely the correct explanation."

Posted by: Brad Warbiany at July 1, 2005 09:21 AM"

Everything in the world is Roves fault, including runny scrambled eggs.

The President could discover the cure for skin cancer,
And the first thing we would hear from the nitwits is that it wouldn't have been necessary if Rove hadn't invented the sun.

Yeeesh...

I read some of the threads at DU...

... one could almost imagine the ejaculate spread on the computer screens and keyboards of those posting there.

Mosley, Anna-

In the twisted world of the MSM/LLL, would it be better to protect the actual source when absolutely compelled, and instead name the LLL Anti-Christ?

And I'm not thinking phlegm, saliva, or potable liquids...

#43 FlyingTigress

Sticky PC's?

Thanks for that visual! Ack.

#41 LesLein

I thought Novak once said that his source wasn't the White House.

Stop it with those facts, damn it!

/you're interfering with a perfectly good imaginary LLL frog march

O'Donnell's a DNC operative, and he's trying some preemptive damage control using Rove as bogeyman.

But as we all know, Rove is much smarter than that. In fact, he's samrter than all the LLL's combined.

What will this idiot have to say when it's revealed a Demonrat is the source?

Very little, I surmise.

#46

Sorry.

FlyingTigress,

LOL!

Re: the update

...because the important part of this story is how DU reacts. That is what really matters.

#51 liberality

...because the important part of this story is how DU reacts. That is what really matters.

No, it's not really important. It's called a "Humorous Aside"

#51

...because the important part of this story is how DU reacts. That is what really matters.

I don't know if it's important, but it's certainly entertaining.

The DUmmies are hyperventilating.

These are the same people who want rights for terrorists, but are planning for Rove to be hung or sent to Gitmo.

Sad, pathetic little trolls.

Top secret CIA agent and her husband in a Jag:
Plame

I see the DUmmies have their panties in a bunch again. I don't know if those morons make me want to laugh or puke or both.

#43 FlyingTigress

You're heard of "keyboard condoms" haven't you?

#35 ctp: That's classic. I'm sure it's been deleted by now.

As I noted on an earlier thread:

1) Rove is not stupid.
2) Why would NYT reporters want to protect Rove as a source?

They fight tooth and nail not to reveal their source. When it looks like they are being forced to, why not just lie about it? And what by the way is McDonnell's source? Looks like a circle jerk to me. They want Rove in the worst way.

Rove, you magnificent bastard, this is what you get when you slap a liberal wuss.

IVV

#57

Sure. But it presumes that the person wishes to use one, doesn't it? LOL

the left give Rove way too much credit.

gives*

I think the Plame leak is actually Joseph Wilson

He makes the most sense to me.

His outrage at Novak for "outing" his wife always seemed a bit staged to me and he did make out pretty good financially from the whole mess. In fact, besides the lawyers, Wilson is the only one who has profited (book deal, etc.) from this mess.

#64 chris_l

A lot of folks think the source is Joe Wilson.

This is going to be very interesting.

#44

In the twisted world of the MSM/LLL, would it be better to protect the actual source when absolutely compelled, and instead name the LLL Anti-Christ?

The sad thing is those folks really would think that would be the "moral" thing to do. They already believe they are above the law, so what's wrong (from their POV) with another out-and-out lie?

What's really funny is watching them foam at the mouth at the prospect, no matter how completely idiotic it is. If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be fun to watch all the future conspiracy theories that evolve once it's shown that someone else was the source.

even if it is not Rove it does not matter. this is the kind of thing that the DUmmies feel rove would do. so it is just like he did it cuz feelings count and all

#64 chris_l

I think the Plame leak is actually Joseph Wilson

KNOCK IT OFF with your baseless, yet rational theories!

/snicker, and now back to the imaginary LLL frog march, already in progress

whats this whole plame leak thing? i dont know any of the details

69

[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

Here's an article about it.

Speaking of Joe Wilson...
[once again, searching LGF for a thread I know exists turns up empty, but this is the article you'd find in the thread]
Just a reminder: the yellowcake story was a false flag planted by French intelligence.

Italian diplomats say that France was behind forged documents which at first appeared to prove that Iraq was seeking "yellow-cake" uranium in Niger - evidence used by Britain and America to promote the case for last year's Gulf war.

They say that France's intelligence services used an Italian-born middle-man to circulate a mixture of genuine and bogus documents to "trap" the two leading proponents of war with Saddam into making unsupportable claims.

They have passed to The Sunday Telegraph a photograph which they claim shows the Italian go-between, sometimes known as "Giacomo" - who cannot be identified for legal reasons - meeting a senior French intelligence officer based in Brussels. "The French hoped that the bulk of the documents would be exposed as false, since many of them obviously were," an Italian official said.

"Their aim was to make the allies look ridiculous in order to undermine their case for war."

I wish I could find the article which quotes a telephone conversation in which Chirac asks Saddam if all the WMD materials are gone (as in moved). Needless to say, the MSM didn't exactly dwell on either of these stories.

#64 chris_l

His outrage at Novak for "outing" his wife always seemed a bit staged to me and he did make out pretty good financially from the whole mess. In fact, besides the lawyers, Wilson is the only one who has profited (book deal, etc.) from this mess.

"Follow the money"...

/Deep Throat

It's amazing the conspiracies he's supposedly involved in given that Rove isn't even Jewish.

I believe O'Donnell. His source was unimpeachable.

Who, you ask?

Bill Burkett, of course.

(Send the contemptuous reporters to jail.)

Gee...d'ya think O'Donnell will be fired after it turns out the source was not Rove?

Hoo boy, it's going to be a long week regardless.

Scaramouche -

But the Norwegian Jews are the most diabolical Jews of all. :)

#22 Ward Cleaver

John McLaughlin lets O'Donnell come on his show? He must be slipping.

O'Donnell's been on the show for a long time. McLaughlin started slipping into senility quite a while prior to that; I stopped watching him after seeing that skank Eleanor Clift eat crow one last time post November 2.

#75 rightymouse...NOOO! The story may be fake, but it's accurate. Since when does the LLL let facts get in the way of good copy? He'll say, "Well, It SHOULD have been Karl Rove, even if it really wasn't" and write a best seller.

Rove as a confidential source? The MSM would roll over him without even being asked much less face a stint in jail for contempt. I'm betting on the Easter Bunny, abetted by the Tooth Fairy, much more realistic!

#78 coulterclone

Too true. LOL!

#79 elandadem

That's what I'm thinking. They'd roll over on Rove in a heart-beat and they have not.

My guess? A source at the CIA who despised Plame and/or her husband Wilson personally.

#72:

"Follow the money"...

/Deep Throat

Sound advice. That's what Deep Throat did.

Of course it is Rove. Think about it, why would O'Donnell break that when the documents Time dumped are going to reveal who it was anyway?

In Huffington Post O'Donnell says that Newsweek will name Rove soon, maybe tomorrow.

Rove has already told a Grand Jury the leak was nothing to do with the White House. That makes him guilty of perjury.

This is very bad for Bush for a number of reasons. Rove has done great injury to the President. Let me remind some, Plame was an active, undercover CIA Agent. Revealing her cover was nothing short of treason. And Rove did it.

Those of you who can't see that, flail away. You are wrong and will be proven wrong in mere hours.

The LLLs will go to town on this, and why shouldn't they? Imagine it had a been a democrat who did this for a political reason, we'd be all over them.

Can't have a double standard folks. Batten down the hatches.

In the world of the MSM/LLL, everything that goes wrong for them, can somehow be raced back to ChimpyMcHitler and Karl Rove.

They may be right this time.

Lawrence O'D is insane - end of story.

Seems like if it was Rove the NYT woulda given him up in a New York nanosecond. It's much more logical to think that the source is somebody they really truly do want to protect.

And O'Donnel did lose all credibility during the campaign. He is wishfully thinking out loud.

The illogic of posters here saying "it wasn't Rove" is staggering.

It was Rove. Get used to it.

For the Demonrats to falsely claim it was Rove after the documents had already been turned over makes no sense at all. How could they possibly gain from 48 hours of people thinking it was Rove only to be proven wrong?

We have taken a terrible blow here and Rove committed, for whatever reason, an act of supreme stupidity.

If Bush pardons him...

Faster than a speeding bullet, strong enough to stop a speeding train, able to leap tall building with a single bound...KARL ROVE, THE BUSIEST MAN IN WASHINGTON,D.C.

Going on about O'Donnell is idiotic. He has no power to make this true or not. He's not so stupid as to make this up and be proven wrong.

Look: the answer is in documents/emails that have already been turned over.

Rove is guilty of treason and perjury. And that's not okay. This is a disaster.

Dante's Cat -

How could they possibly gain from 48 hours of people thinking it was Rove only to be proven wrong?

Why don't you ask Dan Rather that same question, DC?

#82 dantes cat

We'll see. If true, why would they (LLL) wait two years when they could have frog marched Rove BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION? Something like this, if true, would have elected Kerry [shudder].

/inquiring minds want to know

@89 Dantes Cat

Sure hope you like pie.

Heh, now they love the CIA.

Just as they loved "heros" of the Vietnam War like John Kerry.

The hypocrisy never stops.

91 KB

Because of protecting sources. Things get said "off the record" every day. Left or Right the journo who outed a source would be finished.

90 Frank.

What does Rather have to do with this? Get a grip. This is treason and perjury.

84 - jakester.

You get it.

@87 Dantes Cat

The illogic of posters here saying "it wasn't Rove" is staggering.

Here, let's help you out a bit.

The illogic of dantes cat here saying "it was Rove" is staggering.

You see just how foolish that is? You have no proof or verification of what has been revealed as being correct.
Best to wait and see what documents and notes are being revealed as to what is the truth.

#85 Millie Woods

Lawrence O'D is insane - end of story.

and

"What do you expect, the penguins are psychotic"

(gratuitous Madagascar plug)

Like I posted. Sure hope you like pie. Especially made with crow.

93 Frank

You can't dislike the CIA any more than by outing a field agent. An act of supreme stupidity and contempt.

The first one to "out" Plame was Robert Novak in this 2003 piece.

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

#89 dantes cat

Here's a deal for you. When the facts are known, you can come back to LGF to gloat or eat crow. Kay?

Hey Kitty

Omnes relinquite spes, o vos intrantes

Good advice for the trip you seem to be taking.

#51 liberality

...because the important part of this story is how DU reacts. That is what really matters.

NNJC is right... it's called entertainment. Why go to the zoo when you can see moonbats bouncing off the walls in your own home?

#87 dante's cat

The illogic of posters here saying "it wasn't Rove" is staggering.

It was Rove. Get used to it.

What is in fact staggering is your assuming it is Rove on the basis of the speculations of this complete fool O'Donnell.

Oh my gosh, Dante's cat is another delusional nitwit troll.
If Plame was undercover after having been given leave after the birth of her twins because she was suffering from severe post partum depression, it's simply another proof of how goofy the CIA operations are.
Any woman who runs around making a meal out of her bout with PPD as Plame has done and still does is a flake and the CIA should not be in the business of giving flakes any responsibility greater than management of the tea trolley.
Actually I think Valerie is suffering from post marital depression. I know if I had to cohabit with the tedious Joe I would have a severe case of same. Yeah I know I'm projecting but hey why not.

Here is Novak's October 2003 article:

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

"...The leak now under Justice Department investigation is described by former Ambassador Wilson and critics of President Bush's Iraq policy as a reprehensible effort to silence them. To protect my own integrity and credibility, I would like to stress three points. First, I did not receive a planned leak. Second, the CIA never warned me that the disclosure of Wilson's wife working at the agency would endanger her or anybody else. Third, it was not much of a secret...

95 Quark2

The logic is simple. To falsely accuse Rove serves no purpose and is politically damaging to the accuser and whoever they support. Obviously the evidence proves it is Rove, who is on record having sworn under oath saying it wasn't him. Treason and perjury. Bush is going to look very bad for either knowing it was his chief political advisor or not knowing. Rove should resign immediately.

Well, I think this pretty much bells dantes cat.

Right now, at this moments, the arguments against Rove being the source outweigh the arguments for him being the source. By a substantial margin.

Especially since the primary "for" argument rests on the credibility of Lawrence O'Donnel. Now, admittedly Mr. O'Donnel's new dosage seems to have improved his temperament somewhat, but I think he has a long way to go before he is well again.

If I was running the show he exploded on during the election, I would have yanked his mike and called security, and he sure as heck wouldn't be coming back later.

#94 dantes cat

Because of protecting sources. Things get said "off the record" every day. Left or Right the journo who outed a source would be finished.

Let me get this straight, Rove suicidally leaked to the NYT and they didn't "off the record" see fit to torpedo Bush's reelection?

Joe Wilson publicly, on the record, blamed Rove right away and called for a frog march in handcuffs. It went nowhere. Also, Novak is on the record that the source WASN'T FROM THE WHITE HOUSE!

/puzzle me that

Dante's Cat -

Perjury

What is the lie that you are referring to, who said it, and when was the person who said it UNDER OATH?

Treason

Exposing nepotism at the CIA.

Hey Frank IBC,

How's it been going?

To falsely accuse Rove serves no purpose

If I were a woman, I would have wet my pants after that one.

(Sorry, ladies.)

I hereby declare anoint:

dantes llort.

Hey Geepers, great to see you.

Nothing big going on here. Just stuck at home on a cloudy afternoon.

PIMF -"and"

#87 krazy kat

We have taken a terrible blow here and Rove committed, for whatever reason, an act of supreme stupidity.

When you use that pronoun you must not realize that you aren't posting at Kos or DU.

#102

Logic never has any place within the left's arguments. Their plan is simple, spew wild hypotheses with abandon, much as a machine gunner would spray his field of fire, and eventually enough people will start believing one idea or another.

dantes cat

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Dante's Inferno.

Read Novak's articles. He was the first one to "out" Plame.

Linkies above.

@194 dantes cat

That is hilarious.
It serves no purpose to deliberately spread lies and propaganda?
Then you explain why the left/socialists/communists are so well talented at it.
And why they've used it for the past 80 years?
Any thing that can sink President Bushs boat will be used against him whether it's true or not.
Please. Your argument is shallow and disingenious.

How would you like your crust on that pie, thick or thin?

If it wasn't true, it's probably accurate.

It's like Karl Rove is the new God.

If you don't understand how it works then Karl Rove did it.

I mean it's just Occam's Razor.

It's been estasblished for awhile now that liberals are not responsible for their actions. Anytime they do something wrong and the media reports it and public opinion falls away from them, it's the Republicans' fault.

Namely, Karl Rove's fault.

Simple. No thinking required. Howard Dean looks like a complete baffoon? Rove did it.

Durbin is a complete moron? Rove did it.

Rove did it.

Just shut off your brains and accept that Rove did it.

What I find funny is the mental gymnastics performed by Liberals to justify their unsubstantiated claims. No wonder they think they're smarter than everyone else. They can scribble their way from infinitly many points to Karl Rove.

Take that you stupid Republicans.

Earth2Moonbat -

Er, translation please - I don't speak Catalan (?).

1st it was Valerie Plame

2nd was the Diebold machines

3rd was the Gannon/Guckert "scandel"

4th was the Downing Street Memos

5th is Valerie Plame again

Looks like the moonbats have come full circle. What? Nothing new? You have to recycle?

Frank IBC

Rove swore, under oath, to the Grand Jury that he was not the source of the leak. The TIME documents prove that he was. That's perjury.

Outing a CIA agent is, I believe, a serious felony.

Did someone mention pie?

/pie is good

I am frankly disappointed with the quality of the trolls these days.

No subtlety. If they play it cool, they don't do so for long before they start parodying the Lizard corps or betraying their ignorance of Lizarddom.

In general it seems to be the classic left inability to accurately see those that disagree with them.

We become a projection of their fears, which is why dantes cat assumes its "mine the borders" "end all abortion" stuff, as well as its claim to be a Christian minister of a sort, will pull him unquestioned into the chorus. It assumes we are what it believes us to be, it does not examine us (or feel it needs to) to understand us.

Of course, it doesn't have to be leftist to be a troll. The fact that it provokes a negative reaction almost immediately upon arrival, and then repeats its performance, and now plays the defeatism card only after a thread gets going on a positive note (as well as the frankly bizarre "treason" accusation) solidify its intention to troll for hostility.

Which is why its a troll. QED.

Oh, and don't place the order for that crow pie just yet, it is very unlikely to chow down, it will just change the subject.

I thought all grand jury proceedings were confidential?

Have you actually seen the TIME documents?

quark2

I can confidently predict that you will be one eating pie. Lets try this one more time.

It makes no sense to accuse Rove when the documents that name the leaker have already been released -- unless... unless..

It was Rove.

It was Rove.

Get used to it.

Maybe "Dante's Cat" is Larry O'Donnell?

I wonder what is driving Dante's cat to attach so trenchantly to the idea that it must be Rove, on the basis of looney toones O'Donnell? The assumption of the guilt of the grandmastermind of all rightwing conspiracies is bizarre.

Whom gods destroy

They first make obsessed with Karl Rove.

#121 dantes cat

Rove swore, under oath, to the Grand Jury that he was not the source of the leak

Excuse me, leaking Grand Jury testimony is a felony.

/who's your source? he or she is in serious trouble

#121 dantes cat

Rove said he wasn't the source because he was not.

From Robert Novak's October 2003 piece - here is the link again:

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

"...During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it." The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue.

At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.

How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May wrote Monday, in National Review Online, that he had been told of her identity by a non-government source before my column appeared and that it was common knowledge. Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America" entry...

On the other hand, maybe Dante's Cat is actually Karl Rove, just helping to set up Larry O'Donnell for an even bigger fall.

Everyone at DU is in the pay of Karl Rove.

George Soros is a secret agent of the Bush White House.

Nancy Pelosi is really Karl Rove in drag.

Lawrence O'Donnell's vein bulging nuttiness:

Creepy Liar

Lost It

Check out those veins

Outing a CIA agent is, I believe, a serious felony.

More of the "how dare you question our patriotism" meme. Sigh...

It was Rove.

It was Rove.

Catchy mantra. But try this one instead:

I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and doggone it, people like me.

125 dantes cat

So?

Hmmm...it would be really funny if Karl Rove were revealed to be a big-time contributor to a fertility clinic in San Francisco.

Heather has two mommies...and a daddy named Karl.

Oh, the outrage...

Outing a CIA agent is, I believe, a serious felony

As bad as stuffing official government documents in your pants at the National Archive? As bad as stuffing Buddhist donations of cash into your pants at an illegal Temple fundraiser... it was Al Gore, just in case anyone doesn't know...

i have more as bad as... lots more...

oh, and as bad as meeting with the enemy during a war.. ala John Kerry...

The DUmmies and the trolls here have all the facts. The "cats" out of the bag. They have The Downing Street Memo, and now this on Rove. It's too bad for them that Bushco controls the "corporate" media and has threatened to kill them if they run with either of these stories. Darth Cheney has prepared the escape pod but it might be too late, they know. I'm sure Rather would have run this one already but as we all know he is a little memo shy after the first memo's that Rove sent him.

[/moon-bat conspiracy]

#121 dantes cat

"Outing a CIA agent is, I believe, a serious felony."

Then I guess "Who's Who in America" will be put on trial.

Putz.

MoveOn.org's Razor.

"When faced with two conflicting explanations for why an event has occured, the one that most damages Republicans is most likely the correct explanation."

Sorry for the re-post

But, some things bear repeating.

As bad as leaving a young woman to drown in your car... then lying and trying to cover it up...

Senator Ted Kennedy
Chappaquidick

#121 dantes cat

How does it have to be Rove, if everyone in Washington already knew?

How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May wrote Monday, in National Review Online, that he had been told of her identity by a non-government source before my column appeared and that it was common knowledge. Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America" entry.

A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.

Clifford May himself has this to say:

On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

That wasn't news to me. I had been told that - but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.

I chose not to include it (I wrote a second NRO piece on this issue on July 18) because it didn't seem particularly relevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Wilson should be regarded as a disinterested professional who had done a thorough investigation into Saddam's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Africa.

You really should know what you're talking about before you spout off from a position of "authority".

dantes cat says:

It was Rove.

It was Rove.

Get used to it.

Ah yes, Karl Rove, the evil genius (who's too stupid to not lie to a grand jury)

Make up your mind.

98 dantes cat

Valerie Plame was not a field agent. She was a CIA analyst. At the time of Bob Novak's article (the first article published on this matter), she was on leave for post-partum depression.

The only covers she was under were those of her husband, Mr. Wilson IV.

Thanks a lot Rayra.

Now I will have nightmares featuring Karl Rove in drag giving advice to the ladies' Gardening Club. :)

Let us consult Frank Chu for he knows everything. (you need to scroll down).

#98 dantes cat:

Time to build a better mouse trap. This one's got holes in it.

Frank IBC (#128),

LOL.

Poor intellectually superior moonbats. Outsmarted by a man who never even graduated from college.

Again from Robert Novak's October 2003 piece:

"...At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help..."

The original source is someone (or more than one) at the CIA. And if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow at LGF. No problemo.

I am still waiting to hear how this leak actually hurt anyone.

Are the posters at DU located in Federal prisons?

Howard Dean must be having trouble getting his message across so he turned to "captive" audiences to get the "truth" out. These DU nuts obviously have nothing to lose by their spewing of lies, libel and slander.

I loved the poster that listed all of the admin people who should be charged with high crimes, treason, blah, blah, blah.

I wonder what the average grade level is of these posters? Anything beyond the first grade would be remarkable! I figure 1st grade, because some of them can actually spell. Mostly four letter words.

Oh, what the hell is a "frog march"? I think I may have missed that term.

dantes cat:

Sooner or later the story was bound to break. Why would they keep Rove on after the election if he did it? Why would Rove have such a blind spot if he did it and didn't tell anyone?

How do you know the TIME document shows Rove is the leak? Because a clearly unhinged Lawrence O’Donnell says so?

It might be Rove, but _logic_ says that Lawrence O’Donnell is a creepy liar.

#149 kawaika

I laughed so hard it hurt.

That's gonna be one of my new sayings... "Let's ask Frank Chu!"

@125 dantes crack

Boy you just don't know when to quit do you.

I predict you're going to be so embarrassed by your own ignorance you'll stop posting at Lgf.

#156 Merovign

Good good. I consult him on everything. I just wish I knew what all these rockifications were. : )

If it had been Karl Rove, the media would have wet themselves in the race to expose it. They hate the man even more passionately than they hate President Bush. Many lefties I've spoken to genuinely believe Rove runs the government as a secret dictatorship and that he's behind everything bad. More than a few thought he engineered 9/11 to impose a police state. The left really is delusional and more than that, obsessive. Remember how Newt Gingrich was the anti-Christ to them in the 90's?

I bet the leak will be a relatively minor figure in the intelligence circles rather than Rove. Watergate this ain't!

#27 quark2

"Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent."

Wow. Rove's God?

#149 kawaika

Frank Chu likely has a better grasp of reality than Lawrence O'Donnell.

I'm thinking how much fun it would be to sneak up behind a moonbat and yell, "Karl Rove!" at the top of your lungs.

Suggestion to Protest Warrior, maybe the next protest you disrupt should have a 'Karl Rove' theme. Have signs made up with pictures of the 'Eye in the Pyramid' and the Legend. "Karl Rove is Watching You" underneath.

#158 kawaika

Isn't rockification like those screaming guitar versions of 30's lovesongs? Or "Rocking the Classics?"

Or "My Little Buttercup" by Ministry?

I'm thinking how much fun it would be to sneak up behind a moonbat and yell, "Karl Rove!" at the top of your lungs.

OOOHHH
I'm doing it

I'll post a report Tuesday.
LOL!

#159 MinnesotaLoon

If it had been Karl Rove, the media would have wet themselves in the race to expose it.

And we damn well know it would've been the lead story at at all the Big Media outlets the entire week before the election.

155 Quilly Mammoth

Dantes Cat, you mention "logic," but your posts are far from logical.

For an example of logic, scroll up to 155.

#159 MinnesotaLoon

Exactly. And especially why would two NYT reporters cover for Rove? That's laughable.

They are covering for their "leaky mouth" sources at CIA and potentially at State.

And I do think this is what this is about because it makes no sense that they are involved in this case and Novak is not.

#162 Ferris Bueller

I'm thinking how much fun it would be to sneak up behind a moonbat and yell, "Karl Rove!" at the top of your lungs.

Oh don't tempt me!

I have a dinner party tonight where one of my friends is a radical Bush hater. Literally goes redfaced shouting and ranting, can't be reasoned with at all. Though at his age, I might give him a coronary and since he's my doctor I'd hate to have to break in a new one.

Okay, must get this idea out of my head, it's beginning to be too tempting...

My money is on Wilson,he is the logical suspect, he has ability,motive and the connections to pull this off.

If not him then the trail would have to lead to someone at CIA,either Plame herself or someone connected to her.

Someone said earlier that we should apply Occam's Razor,well Occam struck out so far.

Next in line for a shave with the Razor is...Wilson/Plame

Master Rove Strikes again!

@169 Dianna

That's pretty much what we've been hearing for the past 5 years. :)
Has anyone told him yet?

Democrat operative Lawrence O’Donnell is employed by a competitor of Time; what is the likelihood that O'Donnell actually knows what is in records that Time has gone to such great lengths to keep confidential?

Reading Frank Chu has given me some clarity on the Fever Swamps.

DU=The Zegnatronic Rocket Society.

#82 Dantes cat

I think you managed to get every single statement of fact wrong.

Rove testified to the grand jury that he was not the source.

Novak has testified and said publicly that the White House was not the source of the leaked material.

O'Donnell doesn't care what the truth is, he's bent on causing a sensation and planting suspicion.

I don't know how long it will be before the e-mails and other documents become public; but I thought that grand jury material was not public record unless specifically released.

Spent time with some original moonbats circa 1960's hippies... really pissy over the 4th holiday, moaning about how horrible this country is, how we have no freedom and yet we are "celebrating."

What miserable lives they lead.

177 Rayra

ahunh...

or...

Hallliiibbbuurrrtttooonnn...

Now that we have seen the story that Rove (The Wise and Great Oracle) may have leaked this thing,
And we have seen the great minds of the LLL's scream for his liver on a platter due to the treasonous actions..

If, it turns out that a LLL is the source of the leak, will we hear the same screaming for blood story about how this has damaged the country, caused red tide, global warming etc..

Or, will we hear
"Oh, never mind"

#135
ROFLMAO

#177 Rayra

BWAHAHA!

Why in the world does anyone pay attention to Larry "Possessed by Demons" O'Donnell?

The dude needs an exorcism... the last time I saw him he was on Fatty Matthews show, his head spinning around, spitting pea soup and screaming... "Liars, liars, Swifvets, liars, lying liars..."

i was just over at blogs for bush - they have a must read - give me liberty or give me death [patrick henry]. then read the comments with one being a portion of john f kennedy's speech. holy water on a vampire.

Charles, I know you and your lizardoid minions are shitting your pants at the prospect of the chief Nazi, Karl Rove, being frog marched out of the White House --

[Link: www.dudehisattva.com...]

However, don't you think it is a little silly to attack O'Donnell's credibility over this? Do you really think he is going to go on national television and make allegations he can't back up? Let's be clear about what O'Donnell said. He didn't say that Rove was the Plame leaker, as you claim. What he said was that Cooper's notes would show that Rove was Cooper's source. If/when Cooper's notes become public and Rove is indeed the source, are you going to apologize for attacking O'Donnell's credibility?

Here is what O'Donnell posted today on The Huffington Post --

Rove Blew CIA Agent's Cover

I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow.

And I am amazed that you would attack O'Donnell's credibility by pointing out that he called John O'Neill a liar. O'Neill is a documented, proven liar many times over. Here is a good link for you --

[Link: swiftvets.eriposte.com...]

I call your attention to items 2A through 2Q. Please do not respond by claiming this is an LLL website. That is known as an ad hominem attack, and is an admission that you have nothing else to reply with. Please note that each lie by O'Neill is carefully documented with links.

Think my calling Rove a Nazi was over the top? I don't think so. Rove's recent attack on liberals was right out of the Nazi Playbook --

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

William Coleman

"The people who did this are the most insidious of traitors".

George H. Bush.

But what would a past head of the CIA, VP and President know, compared to some here?

Newsweek has the story. They will name Rove tomorrow.

A view inside the leftist mind...

You know, I have lower back pain, I bet Karl Rove is behind it.

One of my dogs got run over a couple of months ago, had to be Rove.

Those California strawberries that aren't so sweet that I ate the other day, I think Rove is tampering with them.

Man, I just got fired for being late to work again, Rove must have told my boss about me fudging my time clock.

Great, my wife just left me, she must have run off with Karl Rove!

87 dantes cat 7/2/2005 10:51AM PDT
The illogic of posters here saying "it wasn't Rove" is staggering.

It was Rove. Get used to it.

For the Demonrats to falsely claim it was Rove after the documents had already been turned over makes no sense at all. How could they possibly gain from 48 hours of people thinking it was Rove only to be proven wrong?

We have taken a terrible blow here and Rove committed, for whatever reason, an act of supreme stupidity.

If Bush pardons him...

Have you been in a coma? The dims lie about or mischaracterize any documentation available that they believe can be used to damage this administration. See Iraq war resolution, see 911 commision report etc, etc...

#184 ramashiva

I don't get it, you tell others not to use ad hominem attacks and then call rove a Nazi, simply because you believe he uses a tactic right out of the Nazi book.

You forget that in order to be a Nazi you have to hate Jews. Does Rove hate Jews?

#189 kawaika

You forget that in order to be a Nazi you have to hate Jews. Does Rove hate Jews?

For some reason I have an image of the android from the original Star Trek, smoke coming from his head, as he tries to process contradictory information.

#184 ramashiva

Unless you are willing to explain your nic in reverential terms, I am going to be offended by it.

#184 ramashiva

Furthermore, why even bring up the Nazis? If Rove's tactics are unscrupulous, why not just say so? Why try to compare it to the Nazis? If Rove's tactics are so evil then people would notice them and would act against them without having to be told that they are "right from the Nazi's handbook."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Look at them all freaking out on this thread!

All Hail the hemi-powered zionist-occupied rovian mind meld machinery as it draws moonbats in like bees to honey...

booga booga boo

Bye all
Good Luck

#177 Rayra

LMAO!

What I'm wondering is how some here will try and excuse Rove when the story breaks. Or will they just keep quiet about it and move along?

Laws don't apply to those in the party.
Laws don't apply to those against the party.

Fitzgerald is said to be more interested in the cover-up than the outing.

#184 ramashiva

Charles, I know you and your lizardoid minions are shitting your pants at the prospect of the chief Nazi, Karl Rove, being frog marched out of the White House --

[Link: www.dudehisat...]

However, don't you think it is a little silly to attack O'Donnell's credibility over this? Do you really think he is going to go on national television and make allegations he can't back up? Let's be clear about what O'Donnell said. He didn't say that Rove was the Plame leaker, as you claim. What he said was that Cooper's notes would show that Rove was Cooper's source. If/when Cooper's notes become public and Rove is indeed the source, are you going to apologize for attacking O'Donnell's credibility?

Credibility, are you serious? please!

/Again, enough of the bullshit, put up or shut up

WSJ article on subject (from 2004)

The Plame inquiry is justified, we’re told, by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which Congress passed because our intelligence community was apoplectic over Mr. Agee’s “outing” during the 1970s of CIA covert agents stationed abroad to purposefully disrupt the agency’s operations. The bill probably should have been called the “Get Philip Agee” Act.

The law requires a prosecutor to show that a person has disclosed information that identifies a “covert agent” (not an “operative”) while actually knowing that the agent has been undercover within the last five years in a foreign country and that the disclosed information would expose the agent. For a person who had no classified access to the outed agent’s identity, the law provides the additional hurdle of proving a pattern of exposing agents with the belief that such actions would harm the government’s spying capabilities.

As a practical matter, this high degree of proof of willfulness or intentionality would be almost impossible to find in any circumstances other than in a Philip Agee clone (and maybe not even him).
...
The statute was thus not intended to target executive branch officials who make disclosures — whether carelessly, out of personal or bureaucratic animus, or in pursuit of an important foreign-policy objective — while talking about national security matters with reporters.
...
The act was also not supposed to entangle reporters in a net of prison sentences, either as recipients of leaks or as disclosers in their own right.

#185 Dante's cat

From the Newsweek article:

The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

Read it again: Newsweek has no idea if Rove is the source. They are asking the (great conspiratorial) question. Now, do you have any issues with the veracity of Michael Isikoff?

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

195 DC

Man the left has really creamed its pants over this one.

Even IF it turned out to be true there would be an Ollie North to do his job.

You lefties have a short memory...

Compartmentalized problems are nice because you can just dog down the doors, loose a compartment but stay afloat.

Worst case, most probable it is more TANG quality reporting..

MSNBC say's they have a second SOURCE.

If/when Cooper's notes become public and Rove is indeed the source, are you going to apologize for attacking O'Donnell's credibility

For some reason, this wording reminds me of somebody.

Who else is always demanding an apology from Charles almost everytime he/she/it/they post.

Ah well, it'll come to me sooner or later

[ Shrugs' shoulders, and scratches butt while wandering off muttering]

#195 dantes cat

What I'm wondering is how some here will try and excuse Rove when the story breaks.

And just when will this story break?

It's [expletive deleted] two years old!

#184 ramashiva

Check out every post here by LGF'ers. Nobody is "shitting their pants".

Did your head explode when you wrote this piece of drivel?:

"..."Let's be clear about what O'Donnell said. He didn't say that Rove was the Plame leaker, as you claim. What he said was that Cooper's notes would show that Rove was Cooper's source. If/when Cooper's notes become public and Rove is indeed the source, are you going to apologize for attacking O'Donnell's credibility?"

Let's look at MSNBC's lead, shall we?

"MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

By Greg Mitchell

Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET updated 1:00 PM Saturday

NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Friday night, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove."

184 ramashiva

Um Credibility of o'donnell?

can you say dan rather, marla mapes, etc

Oh they're going to produce some e-mails

Oh

I can produce 20-30 emails from Karl Rove in the next 2 hours that link him to all kinds of things. Just set up some accounts.

Your a head case thats grasping for any straw to attack the Whitehouse and the POTUS.

195 dantes cat

If Rove really did it, people here will nail him to the wall for being stupid.

The odds are that this is as valid as Rathergate or the Blair memos, hatred has blinded the left to the point of trying anything, absolutely anything to hurt the administration.

Every time I got into nuts & bolts ideology talk with a liberal, they always end up saying a variation of the ends justifying the means. The majority of college students going into journalism do so to become famous, doing what's right is secondary. They hope to get that legendary Watergate level story, get the fame and accolades, and the money.

Now I will say this, I have gripes with President Bush, especially over spending, arms procurement, and the illegal alien/border situation. I don't do blind support.

And another thing - all three reports (Cooper, Miller, and Novak) said they had sources, not a source.

Also - I have a gut feeling that Mr Novak has already spoken to the grand jury. He may well have already given his sources to them. So what? I don't think a law was broken by anyone (including the reporters). It's one thing to be called by a grand jury and get all balled up with them. Grand juries have extraordinary, sweeping powers. It's a whole 'nother ball o'wax to charge someone with a crime.

#121 dantes cat #184 ramashiva

(reposted, just for you, sweetie)

How does it have to be Rove, if everyone in Washington already knew?

How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May wrote Monday, in National Review Online, that he had been told of her identity by a non-government source before my column appeared and that it was common knowledge. Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America" entry.

A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.

Clifford May himself has this to say:

On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

That wasn't news to me. I had been told that - but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.

I chose not to include it (I wrote a second NRO piece on this issue on July 18) because it didn't seem particularly relevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Wilson should be regarded as a disinterested professional who had done a thorough investigation into Saddam's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Africa.

You really should know what you're talking about before you spout off from a position of "authority".

197 cattt

Does it say anything about lying to a Grand Jury? Nope.

The coverup is the problem for Rove.

@195 Dantes crackedup

Mebbe we should have a fund drive among us lfgers so we can buy you a bigger shovel.

Kind of like predicting how a jury will find
the prosecuted. Even lawyers wont bet on that one.

Pie...who wants pie?

Did Karl Rove leak the info? I don't know. Does O'Donnell, who has proven to be rabidly anti-Bush and anti-anyone who is not anti-Bush?

You know, there's a good reason why Joe Scarborough no longer allows O'Donnell to be on his show.

If the documents indicate that Rove was the source, we'll have to wait to see what Rove has to say. Biased reporting and attempts to praise the lying, underhanded, vile Dan Rather documents report make me totally distrustful of anything the MSM puts out.

But I guess, according to ramashiva, who sits shiva for Rather, I must be a Nazi.

#208 dantes cat

The only "cover up" has been on the part of the reporters (Cooper and Miller) of the NYT.

Idiot.

208 DC

How do you speak with authority?

"The coverup is the problem"

There is a term for poeple who speak with autority but have no base in FACT.

208 dantes cat

Funny - when I read "lying to a grand jury," I suddenly thought of President Clinton.

#189 kawaika 7/2/2005 12:24PM PDT
#184 ramashiva

I don't get it, you tell others not to use ad hominem attacks and then call rove a Nazi, simply because you believe he uses a tactic right out of the Nazi book.

Apparently you do not understand what an ad hominem argument is. An ad hominem argument is when you attack the source of an argument rather than the argument itself. I am not replying to any argument by Karl Rove. I am merely accurately characterizing him as a Nazi.

You forget that in order to be a Nazi you have to hate Jews. Does Rove hate Jews?

I didn't forget it because it's not true. Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis. It is not necessary for Rove to share ALL the characteristics of the Nazis in order to accurately characterize him as a Nazi.

This is why you people got horribly confused about Durbin's comparison of Gitmo to a Soviet Gulag. He merely said the prisoner torture at Gitmo was the type of thing you would see at a Soviet Gulag. He never said Gitmo was EXACTLY like a Soviet Gulag.

William Coleman

non sequitur
: (nahn sek [as in heck]-kwit-her) n. Latin for "it does not follow." The term usually means that a conclusion does not logically follow from the facts or law, stated: "That's a non sequitur."

Example: see Dantes Cat

#195 dante's cat

1) If Rove is Cooper's source, we will expect to see him prosecuted.

2) We have not seen the documents. I will not take Lawrence O'Donnell's word about what time the sun is coming up in the morning, so I don't care what he has to say.

3) Since you presume to know, please reveal your source. Unless you're claiming to be a journalist?

Is it a felony to out a secretary? Thats all she is if she's an "analyst."

@201 VIA

Not the dreaded Nodrog! :)

#214 ramashiva 7/2/2005 12:49PM PDT

Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis. It is not necessary for Rove to share ALL the characteristics of the Nazis in order to accurately characterize him as a Nazi.

I guess nazis eat, drink, sleep etc...damn, I'm a nazi.

#214 ramashiva

This is why you people got horribly confused about Durbin's comparison of Gitmo to a Soviet Gulag. He merely said the prisoner torture at Gitmo was the type of thing you would see at a Soviet Gulag. He never said Gitmo was EXACTLY like a Soviet Gulag.

Only to someone who knows not one fucking thing about the Gulag. Senator Durbin is a clueless idiot, operating from a position of blinkered partisanship.

A stopped clock is right twice a day, so it's theoretically possible that Wilson, O'Donnell, and that darned cat are right are right about Rove.

But keep in mind that it was Wilson who originally accused Rove, without any evidence. Wilson's already been caught in several falsehoods on this matter. He claimed his wife wasn't involved in his appointment, when she was. He claimed that Iraq didn't try to purchase yellowcake, when it turned out he knew of evidence that they did.

#207 Spiny Norman 7/2/2005 12:44PM PDT
#121 dantes cat #184 ramashiva

(reposted, just for you, sweetie)

How does it have to be Rove, if everyone in Washington already knew?

Did I say it had to be Rove? The question I addressed was whether O'Donnell was correct in stating that Rove would be named as a source in Cooper's notes.

William Coleman

This story has "red herring" written all over it.

It isn't just a clumsy frame job, it's an attempt to take attention away from something else. There's some story that has caused this elaborate scheme to occur in the first place.

Any ideas on what that might be? I can smell it. It may be that the timing blew up on the schemers involved here, but there's a resounding hollowness about this.

Plame's husband Joseph Wilson, an ex-ambassador and like Plame a member of the Democratic Party, was supposedly recommended to CIA by Plame to travel to Niger to investigate the legitimacy of reports that Iraq had attempted to obtain uranium there.

(Try for a moment to imagine a covert CIA operative recommending that her husband, a former Clinton administration official, go investigate the uranium to Iraq story in Niger. Doesn't anything not sound right about that?)

Wilson travels to Niger, supposedly at the request of CIA, and subsequently reports that the administration ignored his findings that the information was phony. Days after Wilson's letter to the New York Times is published, supposedly members of the Bush administration leaked Plame's name as an undercover CIA operative, purportedly to "get back" at Wilson for his letter to NYT.

Note that Plame contributed $1,000 to the campaign of Al Gore, and listed her business as Brewster Jennings & Associates. No current or former tenants of that building are aware of any Brewster Jennings & Associates ever being housed in that building. What the hell kind of cover is that for a covert CIA operative?

That company eventually merged with what is now Exxon, but doesn't exist today. An heir and namesake of Brewster Jennings is a real estate investor, also named Brewster Jennings, in Durango, Colorado, and finds the whole cover story to be quite amusing.

This is just too squirrelly to believe.

My guess is that the assertion that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA operative is probably highly exaggerated, that the entire story is made of whole fabric, that Robert Novak was suckered into taking a phony leak and running with it.

There's another story behind this for sure. This was and is intended to be a huge scandal on the order of the TANG memo, and is another demonstration of the utter amorality of that party and the incredible incompetence of their political operatives.

But what exactly IS that story they are trying to hide? What's behind the facade, who IS that man behind the curtain?

#104 dantes cat

To falsely accuse Rove serves no purpose and is politically damaging to the accuser and whoever they support.

You're kidding, aren't you?

Being wrong is no problem for Leftists. It is, after all, why they are Leftists!

The seriousness of the charges is much more important than their accuracy to Leftists. It's why they throw around charges of racism, sexism, and heteronormativity -- they used to be serious charges.

(Now they are badges of honor!)

If The Leaker is not Rove, it will not matter that O'Donnel was wrong. Just by saying something negative about a non-Leftist he has increased his stature. He's cool because he hates Bush.

I repeat: accuracy does not matter to Leftists. It is all about cool.

The so-called journalists are all about the cool thing too. So if O'Donnel is wrong, at worst he will get teased about it. He'll still get to write for The Left Wing, and offer further lies for MSNBC, because he's cool because he hates Bush.

The cool thing is a poor substitute for thought, but it's all the Leftists have.

You're pretending to be a troll, right?

#214 ramashiva

"...I didn't forget it because it's not true. Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis. It is not necessary for Rove to share ALL the characteristics of the Nazis in order to accurately characterize him as a Nazi.

This is why you people got horribly confused about Durbin's comparison of Gitmo to a Soviet Gulag. He merely said the prisoner torture at Gitmo was the type of thing you would see at a Soviet Gulag. He never said Gitmo was EXACTLY like a Soviet Gulag."

You're right. The Nazis were breathing at the time and so are we. In that sense we are alike and so are you. So that makes you a Nazi too.

What happened to Kerry when he leaked the name of a CIA operative during the Bolton hearings? Nothing. And complete silence from the likes of ramashiva and dantes cat.

@214 ramashiva wherewouldyoulikeitrammed?

The fact you cheapen your own argument by tossing round the very serious charge of being like a nazis says beaucoup about you.
Tossing such labels is nothing more than trying to draw attention elsewhere away from the subject. Very disingenious.

#219 BignJames 7/2/2005 12:54PM PDT
#214 ramashiva 7/2/2005 12:49PM PDT

Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis. It is not necessary for Rove to share ALL the characteristics of the Nazis in order to accurately characterize him as a Nazi.

I guess nazis eat, drink, sleep etc...damn, I'm a nazi.

Do I have to be meticulously precise about everything? DISTINGUISHING behaviors and beliefs. DISTINGUISHING characteristics.

There. Happy now?

William Coleman

#214 ramashiva

Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis.

Go back to school, or DU, and study. This is so lame, I am aghast at your stupidity.

Based on your argument, virtually everyone on earth can be called a Nazi - even Jack LaLane.

When you define your terms specifically to fit the argument you wish to make, your arguments become worthless.

228 ramashiva

There. Happy now?

No.

See 229.

Ramashiva -

And what, precisely are those "distinguishing characteristics", other than that you don't like them?

228 ramashiva 7/2/2005 01:01PM PDT

Ok. In your opinion, exactly what characteristics does Mr. Rove share with the nazis.

#222 ramashiva

Here we go one more time for your feeble brain:

[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

"MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

By Greg Mitchell

Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET updated 1:00 PM Saturday

NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Friday night, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove."

I bet you're real cute when you do the twist.

#228 ramashiva
"Do I have to be meticulously precise about everything? DISTINGUISHING behaviors and beliefs. DISTINGUISHING characteristics."

I would argue that a distinguising belief is the hatred of Jews.

#214 ramashiva 7/2/2005 12:49PM PDT

Apparently you do not understand what an ad hominem argument is. An ad hominem argument is when you attack the source of an argument rather than the argument itself. I am not replying to any argument by Karl Rove. I am merely accurately characterizing him as a Nazi.

And, of course, you can provide evidence that Karl Rove is, in fact, a memeber of the Nazi party.

Nazis still exist, but I'll be waiting fo the proof that Rove is a member of the Nazi party.

/waiting with baited breath

Sheep can be called ants, since they have an even number of legs.

#224 toddhisattva 7/2/2005 12:57PM PDT
#104 dantes cat

To falsely accuse Rove serves no purpose and is politically damaging to the accuser and whoever they support.
You're kidding, aren't you?

No. Since the truth is only days (or hours) away, what would be the point.

The news has already hit Yahoo and Google. In 24 hours the World will know.

dantes cat
I would be more inclined to take what you have to say more seriously if you could just include the word quagmire three or for times in your arguments. Throw a couple Haliburtons in it and I think I'd be convinced.

I am blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, and slender like Goering.

(OK, I'm only 1" under average height, and only 2 lbs. overweight, but you get my point.)

Man, if you're a member of the LLLs, everything's about to start coming up roses. According to them...

Bush gonna be impeached over the Downing Street Memo.

Cheney's gonna be impeached over Halliburton.

Rummy's gonna be impeached over Abu Gharib and Gitmo.

Rove's gonna be impeached over the Plame leak.

DeLay's gonna be impeached over his travel expenses getting picked up by lobbyists.

Whatever these guys are on, I wish they'd share. I mean, being a white Christian who's never worked a day in his life to earn an honest wage can get rather depressing after awhile.

it won't matter a hell of a lot since the "notes" are probably stored in Microsoft Word using the Times Roman font. dohhh

#228 ramashiva

By the way, the concentration camps suggest to me that Jew hatred is a distinguishing characteristic of Nazis.

#203 rightymouse 7/2/2005 12:41PM PDT
#184 ramashiva

Check out every post here by LGF'ers. Nobody is "shitting their pants".

Of course they are. The lizardoid minions are in total panic and denial. Funniest thing I've seen since I started reading LGF.

Did your head explode when you wrote this piece of drivel?:

One of us suffers from severe inability to read for comprehension. My quote and your quote say exactly the same thing.

William Coleman

Norwegian Jewish Nazis are the most diabolical of all.

#228 ramashiva

Do I have to be meticulously precise about everything? DISTINGUISHING behaviors and beliefs. DISTINGUISHING characteristics.

Unfortunately for your argument, the single most DISTINGUISHING characteristic of Nazi behaviors and beliefs was their "master race" concept and superiority to all other races, most especially THE JEWS.

Oh yeah, the Jews most of all.

So far, you've displayed a sad but all too common ignorance about the Nazis and the Soviet Gulag. Are you going to go for a trifecta?

#238 lowandslow

You're forgetting that Rove must be called a Nazi at least once.

Man, if you're a member of the LLLs, everything's about to start coming up roses. According to them...

Bush gonna be impeached over the Downing Street Memo.

Cheney's gonna be impeached over Halliburton.

Rummy's gonna be impeached over Abu Gharib and Gitmo.

Rove's gonna be impeached over the Plame leak.

DeLay's gonna be impeached over his travel expenses getting picked up by lobbyists.

Whatever these guys are on, I wish they'd share. I mean, being a white Christian who's never worked a day in his life to earn an honest wage can get rather depressing after awhile.

#228 ramashiva
"Do I have to be meticulously precise about everything? DISTINGUISHING behaviors and beliefs. DISTINGUISHING characteristics."

No, but it would be helpful if you were consistent, because so far you've gone from "SOME" characteristics to "DISTINGUISHING" characteristics and we have no clue what you're talking about.

Since the Nazi comparison obviously won't fly, maybe DC will move on to the Gulag or Pol Pot comparisons - and if all else fails, there's always quagmire.

Well, when the report does come out, it's going to be like the morning of November 5 all over again for these idiots.

Anyone ever wonder why Socialists like ramashiva call Conservatives "Hitler" when in fact Hitler was himself a Socialist? Nazi is the acronym for "Nationalsozialist", which is short for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (NSDAP). The exact translation of "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" is "National Socialist German labour party"

The Nazi's are the end result of their philosophy...not ours.

#214 Ramashiva

Apparently you are not aware that the term Nazi is used to characterize people who have SOME of the behaviors and beliefs of the Nazis. It is not necessary for Rove to share ALL the characteristics of the Nazis in order to accurately characterize him as a Nazi.

A particularly disturbing error in logic was made here. According to your definition of a Nazi, either everyone is a Nazis or no one is a Nazi, for there were many things Nazis did which all people do (breathing, dying, walking, etc.) In this case, there is a disgusting insult to the Jews who were the main victims of the Nazis.

Clearly the definition of a Nazi you give is wrong, because the meaning of the word gets destroyed when you remove the master race / racism against Jews, blacks, etc. Put otherwise, the Nazis had a number of essential features which distinguished them as Nazis: belief in the biological superiority of the Aryans, the necessity of cleansing the world of Jews because of their racial inferiority, etc. Remove these defining or essential features and you no longer have a Nazi.

Durbin, hence, clearly identified the American troops as Nazis. Your insult to the Jews and your blurring of what the Nazis did by leftist logic is revolting.

The main reason I'll be surprised if Rove was the source:

A huge risk for no return.

I mean, what good did the leak do President Bush or the administration? Rove isn't studid.

i'm not sweating bullets over what rove did or didn't do. plame is alive. there was semi-heavy talk about foreign operatives that were killed when their names were leaked. all this talk about rove just makes me want to did deeper. i stumbled into the middle east intelligence bulletin on line and read a couple of things by laurie mylroie.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Rove "confessed" to O'Donnell... lovable manipulative sneak that he is. :)

Murkier and murkier...

From Editor and Publisher:

NEW YORK Adding to the growing intrigue in the Plame case, the grand jury investigating the leak of the covert CIA operative's name subpoenaed has a wide range of White House documents, including records of telephone calls from Air Force One and information relating to an internal working group dealing with Iraq, government sources confirmed to CNN on Friday.

"We are complying fully with the request from the Department of Justice," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters Friday.

Government sources told CNN the federal grand jury was seeking any information about contacts between White House officials and more than two dozen reporters. The grand jury also asked for a transcript of a briefing by former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

The subpoenaed information regarding telephone calls to and from Air Force One, sources said, covered July 7-12, while the president was on a trip to Africa. The requested transcript was from a briefing during that trip as well.

Ramashiva, is that you over on the Party Poker sites?

Bwaahahahahahhahaa!

#252 pimf: Nazi

Can I invoke the Iron Fist Rule now?

Ramashiva, is this you?

I don't think Rove is going to nailed for this. According to the MSNBC article he...
"signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him."
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

My guess is he's pretty safe or he wouldn't have signed the waiver.

#243 ramashiva

You sign your posts as "William Coleman". If you are from the NE "Colemans" from Scituate, Mass., you should hang your head in shame as many of them fought in the Revolution and were original colonists from the 1600's.

I would suggest that you are the one who suffers from comprehension as you are too locked into your "Hate Bush" box to see anything else.

Loser.

Lazytart -

Judging from his surname, Ramashiva is obviously a Nazi.

Oh, and why does he spell it differently when he's here?

Rightymouse -

Check Lazytart's link.

Righty,
Why'd you diss me after I left said good bye on that thread the other day? That wasn't cool.

#195 dantes cat

Thank you VERY much. You have now eliminated all doubt that you are a troll, and not who you claim to be. I could not have made the point more eloquently myself.

Thanks again, and buh-bye.

Dantes Cat -

Well, if that had been John Kerry, he would have only given a handful of documents, and only to the Boston Globe.

HEADLINE: White House Cooperates Fully With Investigation

Proof! PRoof, I tell you , of the diabolical Rove's complicity!

It's nothing folks. O'Donnell said that NEWSWEEK would be breaking a story saying "It's Rove!". Well, here it is and it practically absolves Rove:

Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said.

Nazi distinguishing characteristics for your consideration:

Fascists (like Saddam, another Fascist)
Want to rule the world (like Iran's president)
Anti-communist
Anti-intellectual freedom (like Islamofascists)
Hate Jews (like Islamofascists)
Hate Homosexuals (like Islamofascists)
Hate Gypsies
Hate handicapped people
Hate Slavs
Pro-genocide

Generally speaking, publicly expressing one's complete ignorance of the Book
of Revelation is also an ineffective form of argumentation. If you
understood Biblical Prophecy, you would understand that many people will be
present on Judgement Day, not just God. I am the High Priest of the Virgin
Mary on Planet Earth, and I will be present when the Book of Life is opened.
I will also be present when those whose names are not written in the Book of
Life are thrown into the Lake of Eternal Fire.

You are frightening me, Wilhelm.

#251 not neo just conservative

I believe the Nazis were socialists in name only. It is hard to say that they were socialists simply because their names has socialist in it because the Nazis were quite deceptive. There were strangely named laws like "the law for the betterment of Germans" which didn't really benefit the Germans. So I would be careful saying that they were socialists simply because the word socialist is included in the name.

#265 Frank IBC

I checked the link. Bizarro stuff. Whew!

Lawrence O’Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name—and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

Oh, this is just too good! And these guys dont skip a beat when proven wrong either.

If Karl Rove isnt the person named as the source to this "outing" of Valerie Palme, he will be blamed for masterminding the conspiracy of making liberals believe he was the source of this information to distract investigaters from the true source of the "outing", and on, and on, and on.

What ever you do Karl, you gotta stick around for the next election!