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Wed, Jul 6, 2005 at 8:36:55 pm PDT

Moroccan Preacher Said to Have Met With 9/11 Plotters.

TANGIER, Morocco — A Moroccan preacher imprisoned here for inspiring deadly bombings in Casablanca and implicated in the Madrid train bombings last year also had significant contact in Hamburg with leaders of the Sept. 11 attacks, say members of a Muslim congregation in Germany.

The preacher, Mohammed Fizazi, frequently gave sermons at Hamburg’s Al Quds mosque while three of the hijack pilots were living in the city, attending Al Quds and becoming more involved in radical Islam.

Fizazi initiated several private meetings with the future pilots, says Fath Franzmathes, a member of the Al Quds congregation who later assisted German law enforcement. A second member of the congregation, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified, confirmed that there had been frequent contact between the future hijackers and Fizazi.

It is not clear how much influence Fizazi had on the Sept. 11 hijackers, but he appears to be the first person linked to participants in three of the biggest terrorist assaults of recent years: the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S.; the Casablanca attacks of May 2003 that killed 45 people; and the Madrid attacks in March 2004 that killed 191 people.

Fizazi traveled extensively throughout Europe and the Arab world in the years prior to 2001. He often preached to Moroccans abroad at the behest of the Moroccan government.

His travels help illuminate a world of Islamic preachers, generally not well known in the West, whose fiery words help provide a justification for religious extremism. And the case illustrates how even moderate Arab governments, like that of Morocco, can become entangled with the radicals they are trying to control.

Read the whole thing; this Moroccan imam may be a central figure in the 9/11 attacks.

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1 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:39:19pm

it takes fertile soil to grow evil fruit

2 Hankmeister  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:39:28pm

Say it ain't so. An imam? Next thing you know Charles will be telling us Muslim clerics are preaching hatred for Great Satan America in the mosques.

3 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:46:05pm
He advocated killing all non-Muslims "no matter if it's a man, a woman or a child," he said, according to a videotape of the sermon obtained by The Times. He lamented the difficulty of doing this, not for the number of deaths, but because of the hardship it places on those who must do the killing.

It's so tough, isn't it?

4 Fast Eddie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:51:11pm

Is there anybody out there who still doesn't believe that this is World War IV?

5 oh_dude  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:53:27pm

#2 Hankmeister

You're right, what we really need to be woried about is this president and his legion of ultra right-wing evangelicals.

Forget beheadings and suicide bombings, I'm more firghtened of a Jehovas Witness knocking on my door. Ahhh!

6 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:54:22pm

If I recall correctly, "Al Quds" is "Jerusalem" in Orcish Arabic, right?

7 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:57:10pm
8 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 6:59:30pm
His travels help illuminate a world of Islamic preachers, generally not well known in the West, whose fiery words help provide a justification for religious extremism.

Clearly another Zionist controlled govenment/media attack on a well respected, moderate, Islamic spiritual leader.

/CAIR

9 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:01:40pm

Funny how often when you read anonymous source it's another moslim snitching on the one being
targetted.

10 ibu guru  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:02:13pm

A big fish indeed.

What still gets me is that all those who aided and abetted the 9/11 hijackers here in the US -- people who got them apartments, drivers licenses and fake IDs, transferred funds for them, etc. -- all got a free pass by claiming ignorance. I still don't believe they were completely ignorant. They might not have had details on the attack, but too many imams and other [bigoted word]s treated them some sort of royalty from the moment they arrived. They knew the 19 were up to no good. And above all, they knew they were breaking the law in getting them fake ID and such.

11 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:08:24pm

"He advocated killing all non-muslims" . . .

That means YOU, moonbat!

j

12 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:08:49pm
13 ronaldusmagnus  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:09:41pm

HOMMAS (Holy man, my ass).
On a recent thread it is written:

"Interrogate, then decapitate."

14 Sarah D.  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:10:02pm

#12 ploome hineni

Bio-warfare 50K+ dead.

On that note, goodnight all!

15 gymnast  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:12:05pm

Fast forward to Friday, July 8, your hometown, your local mosque. What is the message the believers will be getting? Is it on tape or being delivered by an agent of the enemy in person? Do they want to convert you? Do they want to kill you and your kids? Ask your local Imam, but dont believe everything he tells you.

16 Bayou_King  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:13:02pm

When is the world going to have ZERO TOLERANCE for imams, or preachers, or ANYONE, for that matters, who preaches killing innocent civilians as an ideology?

The FBI should be dragging these people from their pulpits (or whatever the islamofreaks call them) and straight to prison

17 Amy  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:15:11pm
He advocated killing all non-Muslims "no matter if it's a man, a woman or a child," he said, according to a videotape of the sermon obtained by The Times. He lamented the difficulty of doing this, not for the number of deaths, but because of the hardship it places on those who must do the killing.

The world isn't going to start taking these monsters seriously until they realize that the Slimes don't just intend to kill Jews.

And, of course, the mosque was Saudi-financed.
'Nuff said.

18 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:16:13pm

I was talking to my family (all extreme moonbats) at a recent family get-together, when one of them (can't say which) said, "I've seen so many theories about 9/11 on the internet, I don't know what to think any more." I realized that he or she was referring specifically to either the "Bush caused 9/11" theory or the "Israelis caused 9/11" theory. None of them know I'm an anti-idiotarian, but I quickly tried to inject some sense into the conversation by saying, "Well, since we know the whole thing was planned out in advance in Hamburg during the Clinton era, it's pretty clear who's responsible." Everyone looked mystified, and said, "Hamburg? Clinton? What are you talking about?"

It got a little unconfortable there for a while. I said, "You know, the 'Hamburg Cell,' where all the hijackers trained and got instructions. There have been trials in Germany about it." Not a single one had ever heard of it. They started insisting that 9/11 was, at the very least, payback against the US for electing Bush. When I said, "But this whole thing was planned starting in the '90s, long before Bush was even on the radar screen for running for president. Like him or not, it had nothing to do with Bush."

People started looking at each other worriedly, as if I had gone insane. Luckily, someone changed the subject.

Close call.

Anyway, that's what it's like out here in moonbatland. Stuff we take for granted is a complete unknown to these people. Uh, my people.

19 Amy  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:16:42pm

Bayou_King #16 -

Kinda hard for the FBI to drag these people off their pulpits in Germany, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Baalestine, France, England...

You get the idea.

20 gymnast  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:19:27pm

#18, zombie. Time to get some new relatives. Marry into them if you have to.

21 ilan toren  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:19:54pm

Why it works

If the west were to interfere with the way Moslems conduct their religion the way Arab governments have attempted we would have to scuttle all our protections of civil rights, so we can't suppress their religion without becoming too much like them.

What we can do is make sure that they don't fund terror using non-profits, violate immigration laws etc...

22 Scotch  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:21:09pm

#11 jfromfolsomca
No, they don't think it means them. They are superior in their intellect, they'll convert.

23 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:26:01pm
24 RedWhiteAndJew  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:31:22pm
You're right, what we really need to be woried about is this president and his legion of ultra right-wing evangelicals.

Smelly hippies, trust fund pinko brats, feminazis, erzatz anarchists, and Bill Moyers rant and rave against the "theocracy" here at home, ignoring the designs of demonic monsters like this. They get their hemp fiber panties in a bunch over the display of the ten commandments in a public building, while [bigoted word]s ponder how to more efficiently slaughter millions of infidels, without getting their mustaches overly mussed.

If we don't stop caring about what these people say and do, and get on with doing what is necessary to win the war against terrorism (i.e. Gitmo, Iraq, Iran (hopefully), etc.) without apology, the free world stands a good chance of seeing bloodshed of innocents on a scale that will have people longing for the good old days of the Holocaust.

I'll keep saying it: arm yourselves. Much of the world's rank and file don't have this option, and are pretty much up the creek, as governments that forcibly disarm their citizens also tend pussyfoot around when it comes to nipping islamist hate mongering in the bud. If I were a sane non-muslim European (accepting possibly the Swiss), I'd be scared witless, and try to become a non-muslim American (citizen or at least resident) as quickly as possible.

25 kevin1107  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:35:40pm

Maybe thats why Cat Stevens showed up on the NFL?

26 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:37:16pm

Rayra @ 23

..

27 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:37:21pm

@23 Rayra

You called? :)

28 ibu guru  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:37:29pm

zombie --

Last week on F/X they ran a "documentary" on "30 Days as a Muslim." Some pseudo-reporter goes & lives with [bigoted word]s for a month to get to know them and see what life is like...

Pure taqqiya -- sounds like your relatives live the ta-ta-taqqiya life.

Makes me glad I have no surviving relatives -- 'cept a couple of cousins I haven't seen in like 20-30 years.

29 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:39:48pm

@25 kevin1107

Well it could have been the NRA.

30 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:41:46pm
31 gymnast  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:41:49pm

#24, RedWhiteandJew. The Second Amendmendment, keeping America free and protecting the rest of the Constitution for 216 years.

32 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:43:39pm

#30 Rayra:

Got a link for that? Sounds juicy.

33 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:46:06pm
34 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:48:36pm
I was going to give it the Full Bigel.

Don't want to go in the time-out box, now.

35 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:49:32pm
36 rorschach  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:49:42pm

#21 Ilan Toren

I disagree. When a "religion" (naziism, islamism) becomes THE motivating force behind unbridled violence, and when that "religion" can no longer play nice with all the other religions, then it's got to go.

37 scotch  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:51:51pm

#30 Rayra
the re-run is on fox now. was it earlyi the show? It's almost over now.

38 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:51:56pm
39 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:57:38pm
40 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:59:17pm

How many Cardinals are suspected of terrorist links? Oh, who am I kidding... what a crazy analogy! Islam is the Religion of Pieces!

41 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 7:59:38pm

Rayra,

So, you're sayin' the MSM makes shit up?

42 Promethea  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:03:21pm

#20gymnast . . .

#18, zombie. Time to get some new relatives. Marry into them if you have to.

I'm guessing that zombie's relatives are like my relatives. They are lovely people, and you would love them too, but they are reactionaries living in a world gone by.

I wouldn't want to change my relatives for other people, but I recognize their limitations. Therefore, I spend inordinate amounts of time on LGF, learning about the REAL world. As opposed to the prissy world of "antiwar" and "pro-Kyoto" stuff.

43 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:05:58pm

@33 Rayra

Their nests are everywhere. Insidiousness just like a creeping virus. They've deliberately spread out across this country into as many small towns as big ones. The smaller towns are less prepared for the kind of assault we're facing, as they don't have the personnel or resources. It's deliberate. There are probably
thousands of enclaves, safe houses and banks all over this country from one end to the other.
They live in places that are in real time of no use to them other than as part of their strategy to divide and then conquer one small bit after another. For thirty years they've been mapping out our back roads, places that are good for concealment, our energy grids and pipelines.
They know where the food supplies come from, our water sources...they are very patient and willing to wait for how ever long it takes.

You're right. Time has passed in talking about or to these people. It's time for more preparedness.

44 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:06:24pm
45 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:08:20pm

Rayra,

Does Dan Rather know?

46 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:09:57pm

Quark,

Just keep practicing.

47 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:14:17pm

#39 Rayra:

Hey, I just tracked down the NY Times' preposterous "correction" on this story!

NY Times: Our editors make shit up, add it to op-ed articles, then blame the underlings in production for not removing it.

The Quiet Man

By PHILLIP CARTER
Published: July 6, 2005

Editors' Note

The Op-Ed page in some copies of Wednesday's newspaper carried an incorrect version of the below article about military recruitment. The article also briefly appeared on NYTimes.com before it was removed. The writer, an Army reserve officer, did not say, "Imagine my surprise the other day when I received orders to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., next Sunday," nor did he characterize his recent call-up to active duty as the precursor to a "surprise tour of Iraq." That language was added by an editor and was to have been removed before the article was published. Because of a production error, it was not. The Times regrets the error. A corrected version of the article appears below.

HEADS MUST ROLL.

48 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:15:10pm

#4 Fast Eddie, #18 zombie,
I was talking to my younger brother a couple of years ago, explaining to him the things I've learned about the goals of islam. He chuckled at my "silly ideas", and said, "Now I'm not anti-semetic, but...the problem is Israel." I had to ask him if he'd looked at a map lately- Israel is a tiny speck within the muslim world.
There is no getting through to him. He's made up his mind, without having any actual facts. I can't respect people who do that.

49 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:16:29pm

47 zombie,

Jesus Christ -- what the hell does that mean?

Why was fake propaganda "added by an editor" in the first place?

50 Promethea  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:16:34pm

quark2 . . .

They live in places that are in real time of no use to them other than as part of their strategy to divide and then conquer one small bit after another. For thirty years they've been mapping out our back roads, places that are good for concealment, our energy grids and pipelines.

You are creeping me out. I went to a branch of the Indiana National Lakeshore, or the Indiana Dunes State Park, that was separated from the main area--a small plot of land a bit bit south. To get to this little wildlife center, I drove down a rural road pass a full-blown mosque."What the f**k was this mosque doing there in this rural area of Indiana?" I asked myself.

No longer being PC, I wondered . . . is this where evil deeds are being plotted? I was tempted to call the FBI but didn't act on this impulse. Maybe I should have.

51 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:16:51pm

Zombie,

"Heads must roll" doesn't sound quite right.

52 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:16:53pm
53 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:17:48pm

47 Zombie

That language was added by an editor and was to have been removed before the article was published. Because of a production error, it was no

Ahunh, excuse us, we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar, we took some cookies, but were going to put them back... honest Chutch!

54 Athos  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:18:11pm

#39 Rayra

Why not kick that over to Media Slander

Maybe drop an email and link to one of the members? Some of them may read LGF - but also might have missed this. With the exception of Brit Hume / FNC, this isn't likely to get attention from most of MSM.

55 jwm  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:18:38pm

#18 Zombie:
It's this kind of widespread ignorance that is so truly frightening. When I hear the PC drone of our mass media I fear a steady wearing away of our will to resist- Europe slowly sinks into dhimmitude until they wake up with sharia implemented by law in England or France- I envision muslim colonies in the US exploiting our own tolerance and constitutional freedom to slowly gain influence and territory until entire urban areas (Detroit) are under islamic control. And what can we really do? The people around me are quick to jump on the equivalency wagon. They really don't see the difference between evangelical Christians and jihadhists. It's all religious fanatics to them.
We can rail all we want but mass deportation just isn't going to happen. And anarchy- war in the streets isn't exactly a cheerful scenario either even if it were likely- which it isn't. But what option? Sometimes I get the feeling that it's going to have to come down to some single apocalyptic confrontation- a Bigel option scenario, or we are doomed.
JWM

56 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:20:07pm

Abu @ 49

It wasn't "fake propaganda". They were just making it more newsworthy, show more of the "human" side.

/Yeah, that's it.

57 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:20:20pm
 #51 Bob with one O  
Zombie,
"Heads must roll" doesn't sound quite right.

I meant it in the old-fashioned metaphorical sense, not the literal Islamic sense.

58 Athos  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:20:52pm

#52 Rayra

I read about that earlier today. It was on another blog where the suggestion was made that someone do the same - with those killed on 9/11.

I would add, those killed in the WTC 1, the bombing in Saudi Arabia in 1995, the Embassy bombings in 1998, the USS Cole in 2000, etc.

59 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:21:13pm

#47 zombie

Which begs the obvious question: What were they doing putting totally fabricated nonsense into someone elses' editorial in the first place? What were they thinking? I suppose they're going to say it was a doodle on the side.

60 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:22:03pm

#43 quark 2,
Man that's scary. I believe you are quite right. It makes me so angry that we live in this land of plenty, with every possible opportunity, and I feel that we're all just waiting for the next bad thing to happen.

61 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:22:46pm

56 Bubble

It's completely bizarre. No one in their right mind would think they would get away with it (because the author would obviously correct it).

What were they thinking?

Fascinating.

62 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:23:10pm

59 Earth2moonbat

That's it! It was doodles on the side. Bad doodles.

63 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:23:57pm

#62 Bubble Girl

You got it! This was the NYT. Yankee doodles!

64 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:24:15pm

Marine Mom,

See Rayra's comments.

Be Prepared, it's not just for Boy Scouts.

65 mbruce  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:24:28pm

Hey Promethea, I used to live in Chesterton, I know exactly where you spesk of, right around the cornere from the Nuclear Power Plant,right.Jesus, that blows.

66 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:24:54pm

@50 Promethea

You have to look at the demographics as well as the logistics. A mosque out in a rural area that is lightly populated?
It maybe also a madrassah as well as mosque.
They are digging "tunnels" of deceit right under our feet and we're allowing it because of the damned killing political correction.
Personally I don't want to wake up with some rough hand on my neck along with the touch of cold steel.
That's why Charles has this site...so we can
deal with this problem in a realistic way. Very unpleasant to think about. But if we don't think about it today we're going to find ourselves in the same mess as europe is facing right now.

67 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:24:55pm

Abu @ 61

I must be more jaded than you, Abu. I have a feeling this happens more than people realize.

68 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:26:11pm

63 Earth2moonbat

LOL...

Those Yankee Doodles, they went to town... writing phonies...

69 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:26:52pm
70 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:27:25pm

Bubble,

Hmmm... perhaps they thought the guy who actually wrote the article would "agree with the sentiment" and therefore not object to the embellishment?

Ya know, it's kinda like how F-9/11 was demonstrably false, but nonetheless told "essential truths" that needed telling. I could swear I read that in the NY Times.

71 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:27:57pm

Charles, if you're reading this tomorrow morning, I really think the NY Times "insert-a-lie" scandal would make a good LGF thread:

Check #30 Rayra, #39 Rayra, #47 z.

I think Rayra has picked up on a good scoop.

72 Kafirus Maximus  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:29:34pm

OT looked better flying to the right... The flag that is.

73 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:30:11pm

Yeah, it was my boy, Krugman:

One of the more fascinating reviews is Paul Krugman’s in the New York Times. The only real “fact” that he writes about, he goes ahead and debunks. He then says that “Viewers may come away from Moore’s movie believing some things that probably aren’t true...”. But it doesn’t matter, because, hey, other people lie, too. And in a nod to Orwell, deception is truth. “It would be a better movie if it didn’t promote a few unproven conspiracy theories,” he says, but the movie “tells essential truths”.

[Link: www.hoboes.com...]

74 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:30:24pm

@60 Marine Mom

I guess we need to cultivate some of the same naturalness the Indians used to use. It makes that which is wrong stand out like a sore thumb.
Making us more aware of our neighbouring surroundings. The people who come and go, the activities happening round us.
After reading how the narc lords are establishing crack houses all over Texas to manufacture the crack, then importing it down to central and south america was another eye opener. How long before taliban type gangs take over these cartels and use the knowledge, leverage, power and finances to encroach even more into our daily lives?
All kinds of morbid and bad news. :(

75 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:32:25pm

#55 jwm,
I agree. I have a friend from France, a school teacher, married to an American, and she's lived here most of her life. She mostly gets her news from BBC, PBS, and NPR.
She is a lovely, outspoken, intelligent woman. But completely ignorant about islam.
She has a former student who is her friend, who is a muslim. He sounds like a very nice young man. He wants to go to the middle east and make peace. She says is is an example of "true islam". Baloney. If he is as nice as she thinks, it is in spite of his religion.
I gave her my copy of Fallaci's book, The Rage and the pride. Also a Weekly Standard article on the islamization of French schools.
I bet she's going to think I'm an ignorant hater. I can only hope it will start to open her eyes.

76 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:34:05pm

Abu @ 70

Which is why i consider the NYTimes a major LLL spin venue, along with their counterpart, the LATimes. I don't know about the major newspapers in NYC, but in Denver, there are two. The Rocky Mountain News and the Denver Post. Both are owned by the same conglomerate. The Rocky Mountain News has a conservative slant, the Post, is liberal.

The same theme occurs in the National Enquirer and the Globe, both trash rags, owned by the same company. During the same week the Globe will print something like this... Tom Cruise is gay, where it's sister magazine, the Enquirer will print a counterstory...
Tom Cruise is Not Gay...

77 J.D.  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:34:32pm

#69 Rayra
I'm not sure if this tops your link, but it's definitely up there.
Man slits throat with grinder

78 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:35:33pm
79 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:39:53pm

76 Bubble

Absolutely -- the only paper I ever buy is the NY Post (good sports, good editorials, including Krauthammer). I read the NY Times online every day, probably because I enjoy torturing myself.

80 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:40:50pm

Bubbles,

The News has moved left since the departure of Cliff May (Editorial editor) and the merger. Are you up here or did you go to the Med school here (you keep dropping hints)?

81 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:41:22pm
 #69 Rayra 
Yet another OT - any UK Lizardoids have info on the assailant in this student rape of a teacher?
Teen gets life for raping teacher

300 quatloos says the boy was muslim.

Rayra -- extremely detailed and graphic description of the rape here, from the trial.

Mr Kelly told the court: "She felt a strong arm around her neck. She thought this was a student joking. She recalls the force tightened. she was pulled out of her chair. She was of course shocked.

"Whilst the boy grabbed her he was telling her to be quiet. He dragged her the length of the classroom. he was about 5ft 11in and had no difficulty in dragged her."

As the teen tightened his grip on her throat, the terrified teacher was forced to breathe through her nose, and desperately tried to fend him off by stabbing him with a biro.

The boy, who had a previous conviction earlier that year for possession of a bladed article, then ripped off her shirt, and bit one of her breasts, the court was told.

"She tried to push him away, but he grabbed her waistband. She was standing half-naked at the rear of the classroom but the attack continued. She managed to hit him in the groin with her shin," Mr Kelly said.

The teacher desperately grabbed furniture and tried to throw it at the boy but he was undeterred and after pulling off her underwear, tried to rape her.

Mr Kelly went on: "He began physically to hit her using the back of his hand. At that stage he made it quite clear he would kill her and throughout the episode he repeated that he intended to kill her. She did all she could to resist."

He then forced her to give him oral sex, before leaving her half-naked and covered in blood. The teacher ran to her headmaster's office, who was unable to recognise her because of the blood dripping from her nose...

Unfortunately, we are not legally allowed to know anything about the boy because of his age, but that might be true by Friday if we're lucky:

Rapist can't be named due to age; but judges will release it Friday after sentencing

The youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons because of his age, earlier pleaded guilty to the offence and was today sentenced at the Old Bailey in London.
...The judge lifted the court order protecting the boy's identity, but delayed actioning this until Friday afternoon after the defence announced that it wants to have that decision reviewed by the high court.
82 Beagle  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:44:19pm

I think the various agencies in charge of protecting us are beginning to understand the role of imam as military leader and politician. Once that hurdle - understaing Islam as something more, and worse, than a religion - is crossed we are fighting the real battle. Mosques and Islamic centers serve as camps, ammo dumps, and jihadi recruiting posts. This is why CAIR's main purpose seems to be getting between law enforcement and the mosque.

We can't let the First Amendment become a noose around our necks. The First Amendment is a brilliant, yet simple, statement of fundamental human rights which shook the world. It would be tragic (not to mention ironic and paradoxical) if it destroyed the very freedoms it was written to protect.

83 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:45:10pm

#64 Bob with one O,
Yep, we have to be prepared.
A little over two years ago, when our troops were beginning to go into Iraq, one of my church friends was talking about why women should not be in a front line combat position- she thinks women are too loving and compassionate, and said we would just want to hug our enemy. Oh my gosh. I hope I'm never in that position, but I told her I would shoot and shoot, and kill and kill. No hugging. If for no other reason, I want to protect my children.

84 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:45:28pm

Also, it looks like the boy may have been a serial rapist already, by the age of 15.

Jeremy Dein, QC, defending, said the teenager had come from an "emotionally fraught" family background, had been bullied at school, and suffered from a misconduct disorder.

He had one previous conviction for carrying a bladed instrument but no previous convictions in relation to sexual offences.

"It clearly should never have happened," Mr Dein said of the offence.

"It was a despicable offence which cannot in any way, shape or form be overlooked."

Police are holding an internal inquiry into the boy's background and their dealings with him after reports that he had been suspected of other sex crimes.

He is believed to have been questioned about a sexual threat to a woman in her 20s in April, five months before the rape.

Another woman made a complaint of attempted rape last June at the boy's school.

The case was dropped after she withdrew the allegation, and the attacker was never identified.

The boy was never interviewed and it is unclear how much information about him was passed between various authorities.

Still no clue about his name or heritage.

85 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:46:54pm

Marine Mom,

Your nic says it all.

86 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:48:37pm

bob @ 80

No, I went to UT... I have a place in Colorado, am up here now, on vacation which is turning out to be a "working" one... instead of going to Lake Powell as planned. The drought is still here. No rain in months.

87 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:49:54pm

86 Bubble

UT for both undergrad and med school? Did you post recently that you were accepted at Harvard?

88 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:51:37pm

Just to clarify- my son is the Marine- I'm the mom.

89 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:51:45pm

Bubbles,

Well, glad to here you're on vacation, sorry to hear you're working. Hopefully the lack of water means the West Nile infections are down where you are.

90 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:52:13pm

Abu @ 87

Yes... I did. How about you?

91 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:52:35pm

Marine Mom,

Yep, I know. You did well.

92 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:54:46pm

Bob @ 89

You know, so far, haven't heard much about any cases this summer so far, but the irrigation ponds are full of mosquitos. More than last year. Between that and hantavirus, been cleaning out a shed with deer mice droppings...

The joys of the west.. and a couple of cases of the plague in cats..

93 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:56:01pm

Bubble,

You were accepted for undegrad or med?

I went to Harvard for law. Did not apply for undergrad.

94 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:56:16pm

Abu Maven

Didn't you say you were a Harvard grad?

95 Bob with one O  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:56:39pm

Bubbles,

I took my wife hiking last weekend. I told her the odds are very small but if we see a bear...boy did I get a look.

96 Beagle  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:56:46pm

#78 Rayra
You'd have a nice MANPAD tail shot at low-flying airlines coming in for a landing at OIA.
I have no reason to suspect this place of radicalism. Sure, they have CAIR connections and write the usual taqiyya-kitman in the Orlando Sentinel. Nothing has happened, yet.

97 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 8:58:56pm

Bubbles,

Yes, I graduated from Harvard Law.

Did you get accepted to Harvard for undergrad or med?

98 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:00:53pm

97 Abu

Undergrad... where did you do yours?

99 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:02:09pm

Dartmouth.

100 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:02:39pm

#82 Beagle,
I sure hope you're right.
I don't understand why it's taking so long for government leaders to realize what islam is. The information is easy to find.
I guess it's a matter of political correctness. I just can't fathom why American leaders are willing to continue in their seeming ignorance. Are they hoping the terrible troubles facing us will just go away?

101 Jakester  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:03:00pm

Let's give him an R9 visa so he can preach here!

102 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:04:16pm

bob @ 95

We went riding yesterday up near Crested Butte... on horseback.. we climbed up into a valley that was literally strewn with fresh bear spore... all the stumps and fallen trees had been scratched out... my neighbor spotted a bear near our house last week.. I had a big one, cinnamon colored last summer, he came after midnight.. I thought it was a neighbors' dog and went outside with a rock to throw at it! lol

103 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:05:23pm

Abu @ 99

Darthmouth, then Harvard. Very good!

104 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:07:31pm

Bubble,

Are you a UT football fan? I am thinking of visiting a buddy in Columbus for the UT-OSU game this fall.

105 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:08:30pm

Abu Maven

The lawsuit I spoke about, which was along the lines of the two Mexican restaurants in Texas, trade dressing? Not sure if there is one in DC... the name of the place is Pot Bellies (sp) may have been a rumor..

106 zombie  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:09:03pm

OK, after way too much detective work, I've discovered that the rapist is from East Dulwich in South London

He was arrested at his home in East Dulwich the next morning and at first denied the attack.

...and that East Dulwich has a large Muslim population:

As well as being bishop of a diocese that includes large numbers of Muslim people...

Also, I discovered that the rapist "found God" while in jail:

The court heard that the defendant had "found God" while in prison and expressed deep remorse for what he had done.

Considering what British prisons are like, "found God" probably means "became a Muslim fundamentalist."

Still no definitive proof yet, but I'm pretty sure Rayra's gonna be 300 quatloos richer when this is all over.

107 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:10:06pm

The trade dress case, yeah -- you're saying it doesn't actually exist? Bizarre to have a false rumor about the existence of a trade dress case, no?

108 Beagle  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:10:38pm

#100 Marine Mom

I sure hope you're right.


So do I. Unfortunately, the FBI is not one of the agencies to which I'm referring. The French - and you know I mean this if I'm complimenting something French - police and intelligence services are way ahead of us.

Local police may or may not get it. Then you have CAIR, well-funded with Saudi money, supported by the MSM, constantly running legal interference and making up grievances. They play our legal system so well it's hard not to have grudging admiration.

109 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:10:50pm

104 Abu

Yes, pretty much. Had to be low key, my ex, his alma mater was not UT!

110 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:12:44pm

Bubble,

Ooooh -- that must've been rough!

I never seen a big-time college game, so I am looking forward to it.

111 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:12:57pm

107 Abu

Yes... a rumor... perhaps someone discussed filing such a suit, or it may be in the planning stages... you know, the lawsuit grapevine.. after the Texas case being successful I can see more coming.

112 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:14:27pm

Abu @ 110

It's fun, especially if the team you are rooting for wins.. lol I spent five years going to NFL games... a whole new level...


Time to close it down...
Take care, Abu

113 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:14:43pm

Bubble,

Uh-oh. That sounds like a little attorney-client privilege breach action going on...

114 Abu Maven  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:15:31pm

Bubble,

I've seen tons of NFL games. I'm looking forward to the pageantry of the college game.

Night.

115 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:16:02pm

113 Abu

Could be... but my connection doesn't handle those type of cases.. so he is in the clear...

116 Bubble Girl  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:16:45pm

114 Abu

Yeah! They are way more fun... I love college ball alot better.

See you...

117 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:18:52pm

@112 BG

G'nite gal. Try to take it somewhat easy on your vacation.

118 Marine Mom  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:25:25pm

#108 Beagle,
What really steams me is the sensitivity training our servicemen and police, etc., must endure. The thought of some CAIR doofus telling our people how to properly show respect to muslims...AARRGGG!
Note to all US agencies: No more sensitivity training! How about a seminar detailing what islam really means.

119 Darius_LaMonica  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:26:23pm
#50 Promethea

Yes, you should be scared. There is speculation that the reason the two-faced Tariq Ramadan was so eager to get a position teaching at the U of Notre Dame was because IN is the headquarters of an Islamist organization. Take a look at this article. Here is the relevant info:

Schemla also remarked that Indiana is the headquarters location of one of the biggest Islamist organizations in the US: the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). Steven Emerson, renowned terrorism expert, has been very vocal in establishing the links between ISNA, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and (surprise!) the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Hooiser state - not just for b-ball and the Indy 500

120 reader  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:32:15pm

ibn guru #28,

Did you like it when Spurlock, right as he was sitting down with two "fellow" Muslims at a round table in a mosque, ever so coyly asked: "Has there been any terror cell activity around here?" That's about how serious his mockumentary needs to be taken. He's not looking for truth or answers, neither is he expecting any. By the way, that is the only section of this piece I allowed myself to watch, just as I was flipping it on, so I really don't know what other illuminating bilge I might have missed. I couldn't bear it. What amazes me about him, in what little I've seen of him, in tv interviews, is he's not even a very skilled, or should I say, creative liar. He just bludgeons his way through, offering as little entertainment value for his absurdist tales, knowing that the mainstream media will always have his back.

I think that says a lot about the media and the state of critical thinking today, when the practioners of the art of media deception and propaganda no longer really need or require much skill or talent to manipulate their message through. The real skill is in the knowing your audience, in their limitations, and in so doing, showing that aiming low is no longer a hurdle one must adjust for.

121 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:34:16pm
122 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:38:47pm

@119 Darius_LaMonica

The Hooiser state - not just for b-ball and the Indy 500

The Hoosier state, major component of Americas breadbasket.

123 Darius_LaMonica  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:39:05pm
#114 Abu Maven

If you get those tickets to see the Buckeyes, drop whatever you are doing and attend. The horseshoe is awesome. The only way your trip could be better would be if it was to go see the Ohio State vs Michigan game. They do not get along at all and it is always a great game regardless of the records of the participants.

The NFL is fun but I guarantee that, unless you have been to Lambeau, no pro game will compare to what you will see at OSU.

124 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:43:57pm
125 quark2  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:49:11pm

@124 Rayra

Yeup.

126 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:50:57pm
127 Beagle  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:52:25pm

#118 Marine Mom

What really steams me is the sensitivity training our servicemen and police, etc., must endure.


That's exactly the problem. Muslim organizations have successfully interposed themselves beteween those who are sworn to protect us and the threat. We actually have law enforcement agencies running around looking at damaged Korans, and the MSM plays along.

I would love to see a comprehensive assessment of the so-called "hate crimes" which have been reported, but later turned out to be faked by Muslims themselves, consisted or arguments or looks, or just never happened. At least one of the Koran stories was a Muslim harmlessly and admittedly trying to properly dispose of a damaged Koran. The MSM turned it into a "bundle" of "desecrated" Korans.

128 Jheka  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 9:57:09pm
129 Buckaroo  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 10:28:52pm

# 128 J

Who will fold first? Huffington post or Air America?

130 GreatDane  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 10:32:25pm

Jesus Christ these muslims never cease to amaze me.

Islam is a pest to this planet, hope we will find a way to end it.

131 Smit  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 11:24:03pm

Reports of 'blast' at London's Liverpool st Station. Breaking on BBC.

132 Yank in the EU  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 11:32:51pm

From the article:

Tangier, the country's great northern metropolis, is the most westernized city in the country. French and Spanish are spoken as commonly as Arabic; many people speak all three.
It seems an unlikely place for radical Islam to flourish. South of the city center, the richer precincts form a kind of exotic Hollywood Hills. Villas are screened from public view by elaborate hedges and gardens. Their residents are Moroccan film stars, politicians and emigres from Spain or France who have come to take advantage of cheap real estate and ocean views.
But Fizazi's neighborhood, like many in what is emerging as the new Morocco, is home to a newly urban, dense and largely impoverished population.

This passage is a clear illustration of journalists, in this case of the LA Times, buying into and promulgating the false notion that it is "impoverishment" which is the root cause of Islamic populations' radicalization. Poverty is viewed as the true culprit, the underlying problem, rather than the dominant ideology in this society - radical Islam, which as we have seen since 9/11 attracts followers from all socio-economic classes. In fact, the Hamburg cell is a perfect example of Muslims who are not all poor, hungry or deprived of opportunity. While it may be true that poorer communities are more vulnerable to suggestions of violence, Islamist clerics have and will always been able to find aggreived or disillusioned groups to participate, since of course perfect social justice does not exist.

Preaching to the choir here, but still...

The war on terror does not concern a few outlaws reacting to poverty and economic inequality, which must then be apprehended by the police. The Islamist ideology is the cause of terror and radical anti-Western sentiment; this must be fought by exposing what is written in Qur'an about jihad, kitman, taqiya, etc. and by reforming autocracies such as Morocco. Journalists, how about this for a secondary cause of radicalization (the first being what is written in the Qur'an): the people's general feelings of dispair and hopelessness that their viewpoint is of no meaning within a dictatorial state and they have no means for reform from within?

133 Attaboid  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 11:45:50pm

Mohammedans suck.

134 Jheka  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 11:49:10pm

#131 smit:

It was apparently just a power surge that caused an explosion.

135 Yank in the EU  Wed, Jul 6, 2005 11:51:08pm
He advocated killing all non-Muslims "no matter if it's a man, a woman or a child," he said, according to a videotape of the sermon obtained by The Times. He lamented the difficulty of doing this, not for the number of deaths, but because of the hardship it places on those who must do the killing.
What seems to be driving fundamentalism here has little to do with the Moroccan government. In the mosques and the streets, the more pointed complaints are about the United States' role in Iraq and the Israeli role in what people here call Palestine. Videos of beheadings in Iraq are for sale for $2 in the local markets.

Oh sure, all of these tactics of killing the 'infidel' have nothing at all to do with what is written in the Qur'an. Instead the root cause is reported to be American and Israeli occupations; before the Americans and the Jews came, Islam was a wonderful, moderate and non-violent religion of harmony with all people. LA Times, why don't you peddle your self-loathing, Islamist-whitewashing theories elsewhere?

136 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:01:45am

OT: Breaking News - Explosion on London Underground

137 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:06:37am

From the BBC: [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"(...)I was starting to pray as I was running back," says Sgt Juan Carlos Coca, the unit's radio operator. "There were rounds flying everywhere."
(...)"We were definitely fighting for our lives," says Sgt Miller.
(...)A-10 aircraft arrived. But the soldiers say the pilots were not permitted to open fire with their machine gun, or drop any ordnance because the militants were in Pakistani territory.
(...)"That just totally frustrates all of us," says Sgt Coca. "It's easy for the enemy to shoot at us here in Afghanistan and then they just run a couple of hundred metres into Pakistan and we can't do anything. They're untouchable...)
(...)Capt Islamuddin is more blunt. "Pakistan is interfering in Afghanistan. They are sending the bad guys here. They say there are cooperating, but they are not."

America has to get a better deal with Pakistan than this handcuffing situation. Why do we put up with this?

138 mixa  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:12:33am

It's not just the tube - a bus has blown up.

139 jimmytheclaw  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:15:08am

#134 Jheka 7/7/2005 01:49AM PDT

#131 smit:

It was apparently just a power surge that caused an explosion.


they are now saying 5 explosions and london is dark now. and power surge "may" have caused it. any brits lurking that have more?

140 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:45am

First it was power surges, now it's "explosive devices."

A roof of a bus was ripped off in one of the explosions.

Sounds like the Religion of Peace at work.

141 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:17:27am

The transport unions are saying they were told there was at least one explosion. Possibly another two with one in Kings Cross.

142 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:19:11am

"An explosion ripped through a bus as it approached Russel Square."

143 Dan Gummitt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:22:02am

I'm glad the Olympics aren't in New York. They're a magnet for these kooks.

144 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:22:19am
145 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:23:09am

#142 Spiritualized

"An explosion ripped through a bus as it approached Russel Square."

Wow, it sounds like there was a coordination of attacks here.

I'm goint to check BBC radio.

146 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:27:37am

Scotland Yard confirmed one explosion on a bus. Press association saying there were three explosions on buses.

147 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:28:34am

BBC site is swamped, so is Sky News.

Casualties on London's underground after incident

LONDON (Reuters) - People were seen streaming out of a London underground station covered with blood on Thursday following what police described as a "major incident".

Similar scenes were reported by witnesses outside other stations in the capital. The whole of the system was shut down and major thoroughfares were closed.

The cause of the incident, which occurred at rush-hour on the underground network, was as yet unknown.

"There have been some casualties and this has been declared as a major incident," said a spokeswoman for London's Metropolitan Police.

148 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:30:35am

147) Spiritualized

Bloody hell!

149 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:31:24am

None of the BBC radio internet connections are working. Probably overloaded.

150 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:32:03am

Israel Army radio is reporting that three different buses have blown up in London - at least one by a suicide bomber.

151 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:32:29am

Sky news has got eyewitness reports saying there was an explosion at the back of at least one train. He said there were bodies everywhere.

a girl on just now saying she saw the bus ripped in half. Debris everywhere.

152 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:33:25am

#150 Westbankmama

Israel Army radio is reporting that three different buses have blown up in London - at least one by a suicide bomber.

Holy Cow! I wonder if there is a website reporting that?

153 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:33:48am

COLT, CHECK IN!


/and all other London Lizardoids for that matter ...

154 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:34:51am

153)Buckaroo

I'm here

155 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:34:57am

Scotland Yard now saying three explosions on buses. Police reporting 'large amounts' of casualties.

156 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:35:57am

# 154 Raz

Great - where's the nearest tube station? How much concrete is between you and it?!

157 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:38:04am

I'm in the UK but I can't tell you anything that you can't find on websites really.

Multiple explosive devices on the tube and at least one on a double decker bus.

158 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:38:52am

Darwin award candidate


A construction worker was killed when he was pulled through a wood chipper as he tried to clear it free of jammed tree cuttings.


The man, whose name was not released, may have been trying to use his feet to push debris through the machine Wednesday, authorities said.

You get to the end of story and it says it happened last year too, also in Tampa

159 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:39:10am

THREE explosions on buses confirmed by Scotland Yard.

160 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:39:58am

CNN international TV reporting only "large numbers of 'walking wounded'

SkyNews saying that Union Source saying one, possibly 3 bombs.

Transport company source reports some fatalities, say linked to G8

161 Gruen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:40:08am

Explosions on buses and trains, 2 confirmed dead but could and probably will be many more

162 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:42:55am

Bibi Netanyahu is in London now for a financial conference. The hotel that they are in is very near to the tube station where the explosion occurred. That is part of the reason that there are Israeli reporters right on the scene. The Israeli security people took them out of the hotel immediately.

The Parliament in Britain is going to meet soon to discuss what to do.

163 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:43:09am

"Power surges" blamed for London explosions per MSN


That sounded fishy to me. Multiple explosions.

G8 anarchists that violent?

164 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:43:11am

156) Buckaroo

Thankfully I'm away from where it happened, my Father works not far from there.

I could even hear the sirens when I was speaking to him on the phone (Thank G-d my family are safe).

165 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:45:59am

London bombings are screaming ROP!

Another Explosion Reported in London
12:20 Jul 07, '05 / 30 Sivan 5765

(IsraelNN.com) According to preliminary reports from London, an explosion ripped through a double-decker bus a short time ago, resulting in a horrific scene. A short time earlier, a series of explosions took place in the Liverpool station of the city’s train system and they were attributed to an electrical surge.

Tube authorities are now reporting bombs were found at the train blast scene pointing to terrorism.

An Israeli economic summit was about to get underway in proximity to the train station, in the presence of Foreign Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and other diplomatic officials. They are all reportedly uninjured and are being evacuated from the area.

166 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:46:02am

Does anyone know what time it was in London? Rush hour or after?

167 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:46:04am

So, are these anti-government types, or Jihadis?


Moonbats or Muslims?

168 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:48:48am

Eyewitness on sky news saying that there was another explosion. Asecond explosion at Tavistock Sqaure where the bus was blown up.

169 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:49:06am

# 166 wbm

just after 0900 in London -- end of a.m. rush hour ...
:-(

170 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:50:26am

# 167 Ed

Beer money on jihadis -- monnbats haven't yet mastered simultaneous explosions ...

171 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:52:15am

On FOX a Maansor Injaz says reason

it is to show how poor the London transit system is compared to Paris' and that is the reason

Is this guy a moonbat?

172 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:53:37am

Charles Clarke (Home Secretary) giving a statement. Looks very shaky, said blast have caused massive casualties.

173 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:54:43am

# 172 c

I bet there are 100 other places he'd wanted to be other than in front of that microphone ...
:-(

174 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:57:17am

#171 Mansoor Ijaz

175 mitzblitz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:57:31am

XMangel
Monsoor Ijaz is pretty sharp (usually).

Prayers for the victims.

MM

176 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:58:05am

Anyone wanna bet it has some connection to this?:

Likud Petition Demands Vote on Replacing Sharon
22:13 Jul 06, '05 / 29 Sivan 5765
By Nissan Ratzlav-Katz and Ernie Singer

Likud Party Central Committee members have gained enough signatures on a petition demanding that the party convene its legislative body to elect a new chairman.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is the current leader of the Likud party. The Likud Central Committee can convene to elect a new chairman if at least 20 percent the 3,000 Central Committee members sign a petition to this effect. More than 1,000 members, one-third of the committee, have, in fact, signed such a petition.

Organizers have not yet handed it to Central Committee chairman Tzachi HaNegbi, because they are waiting for Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, the leading contender to wrest party leadership from Sharon, to return from abroad.

177 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:59:41am

An area around the Israel embassy is cordoned off, but the situation is quiet there.

This looks a lot like Madrid.

178 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:59:46am

# 176 a

Perhaps, but then why not hit the hotel itself rather than the transit system?


Fox News reports the London srock exchange is still open? How stupid is that?!

179 torchy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:00:05am

IRA?

180 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:00:42am

Sky News saying at least 90 casualties at Aldgate. Charles Clarke saying he hasn't heard anything about a second blast. But being fairly cagey about it.

181 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:00:56am
On FOX a Maansor Injaz says reason

it is to show how poor the London transit system is compared to Paris' and that is the reason

Is this guy a moonbat?

Doesn't appear to be, he has articles on National Review. Bit of a crass, stupid comment though.

182 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:01:21am

The more I scan the net for news on this, the more serious it appears. With every passing minute the scale of what happens seems to grow. Definitely look ROP-involved, due to the Israeli conference next to one of the blasts, as linked to above. Everything's in chaos news-wise at the moment, but as I far as I can piece together, at least 3 tube stations reported explosions, and at least two buses blown up -- one completely torn in half.

This has "suicide bombers" written all over it, both from the type of target (public transpoort) and the size of the explosions (big, but smaller than car bombs).

It looks like what everyone feared has come true -- the intifada has gone global. I'd say at this moment, looks like at least 80%-90% chance it's the ROP, and there will be hundreds of casualties when this is all sorted out.

I predict a major public opinion surge against the ROP in Europe is a'comin'.

183 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:02:16am

The radio here in Israel reports at least 90 injured. They also said that the pictures are just like what we have here.

Prayers for all of the injured.

184 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:03:04am

# 183 z

I wouldn't yet rule out remote-controlled bombs ala Madrid rather than spoldeydopes ...

185 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:03:07am

Mansoor on Spanish elections and terrorist

Asked what Aznar's defeat means for U.S. allies, Ijaz told Fox News Channel's Rita Cosby, "It means they better get they're election flack jackets on, because this represents a dangerous mutation in the ability of terrorists to instill fear in governments all over the world that supported the United States."

186 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:03:53am

OT: London nailed with multiple explosions on public transport. No statment released regarding casualties or suspects.

187 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:03:55am

Ok, very good to hear from you, FabioC.

188 Shira  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:04:34am

This is terrible. Prayers for all the people killed and wounded, and for their loved ones.

189 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:05:04am

The old IRA almost always telephoned warnings before bomb attacks, but I think I read somewhere that the splinter groups are more violent.


Can't completely rule out some variant of Marxist Irish terrorism.

It does sound like the RoP.

190 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:05:17am

Why is this day different from all other days?

250 Were Attending London Economic Forum
12:50 Jul 07, '05 / 30 Sivan 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Some 250 persons were present in the hotel adjacent to Liverpool Station where the first London blast occurred. Participants in the conference stated that some of the heads of Israel’s largest companies were present, waiting to begin the annual event.

As reported earlier, aides to Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu confirm reports that the senior minister is in the city, but is unharmed. Employees of Israel’s embassy report the ambassador and diplomatic staff are also well. The conference has been postponed, or cancelled and the participants have been evacuated from the area which is closed down.

191 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:05:32am

I am fine, but the shutdown of the Tube caused the buses to become overloaded. Only discomfort for me, but it seems this is no small deal.

192 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:06:04am

Hundreds of links here about London explosions on UK edition of GoogleNews.

193 Luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:06:19am
"even if police are 99% successful that one percent can create a major atrocity"


Some terror expert on CNN on the apparent ROPper action in London. Hearing this sort of opinion this morning is like hearing them fret about global warming on the hottest day of the year.

194 Shira  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:06:46am

FabioC and London lizardoids, stay safe.

(Israeli delegation: come home.)

195 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:08:26am

Mansoor back on Fox, see if he sticks with Paris Olympic theory.

196 Slo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:08:28am

Prayers for the dead, wounded and Lizards in the vicinity.

I'm off to oil up the mini-30...

197 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:09:50am

189 ed mahmoud

this is definetely not the ira. no phone calls before the attack and they haven't claimed responsibility. and none of the splinter groups could have pulled off an attack of this magnitude. I suspect islamic terrorists.

198 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:10:25am

The Israeli conference could be just coincidence, the targets were expressly civilians. And I imagine there's no way Israeli politicians would be permitted to travel on public transport by their security personnel.

199 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:11:37am

#171 XMangels

Hmmm, so Paris trains are bombproof?
What a fucking idiot.

200 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:12:34am

For those who may not have looked...I've been blogging the explosion reports for an hour or so on the 'open thread'. A quickie description is that there was an explosion of some kind at 8:45 a.m. London time followed an hour later by an explosion of a double-decker bus in which there were several fatalities.

Also, just reported on BBCWorld that there was also some kind of train crash in one of the stations (probably as a result of an explosion). And explosions are CONTINUING to happen. There was one as recently as 15 minutes ago.

201 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:13:25am

Trying to piece it together: though no article specifies this yet, I've counted at least four tube stations attacked, if not six:

Edgeware Road, King's Cross, Aldgate, and Liverpool Street. Also, maybe Old Street and Russell Square. There seems to be the possibility that some of these explosions weren't caused directly by bombs, but rather were secondary incidents -- power surges caused by bombs elsewhere on the system. Again, still too chaotic to sort out.

202 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:13:56am

Scotland Yard to set up a 'casualty number' in about half an hour for people to call and check on their loved ones.

Tony Blair will address the nation shortly (within the hour) from Scotland.

203 Jwarrior  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:06am

THE FUCKING LAMO WANKERS HAVE BLOWN UP MY CITY!

THIS IS LONODN'S 9/11.

GET THE MUSLIMS OUT NOW!

204 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:07am

Even worse: apparently several explosions in underground stations in a ring around Central London. All public transport is being shut down, phone lines are overloaded. This is going to be a black day, I fear.

205 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:45am

Security sources are saying it looks like 'terrorist' activity. I wonder what the Guardian will have to say about all this? Hmmm?

206 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:57am

Suspicious package has been found in Stockwell Station.

207 The Limey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:09am

We're at a crossroads here. We'll either fall in 100& behind you and commit to going after the scum whatever the cost, or the BBC/Guardian quislings will have us retreat quietly into dhimmitude.

I have half a dozen friends I'm waiting on for replies.
I'm a med-student and am about to begin my casualty shift early to see if I can do anything to help. I have to park near a mosque; it's gonna be very hard to resist the urge to say something today. Not sure why I'm telling y'all this, since I have contempt for many on this site for the way they denigrate my country, but I needed to express my thoughts.

208 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:32am

Is this England's 9/11?

209 Jwarrior  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:38am

Sorry, just very upset and my wife is stuck in London.

210 dr. pangloss  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:16:18am

any report issued on no evidence of radioactivity?

211 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:16:24am

#199 rednaxela

I couldn't believe he even said it myself.

212 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:17:54am

Jwarrior
Our condonlences and prayers are with the folks of the UK.
Damn [bigoted word]s.

213 Gruen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:02am

20 dead according to Govt sources. I would say at least...

214 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:12am
#199 rednaxela  
Hmmm, so Paris trains are bombproof?

Doesn't he remember when the ROP blew up the RER trains in central Paris in the '90s?

215 tum  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:14am

well fuck fuck fuck

the front lines are expanding; the war is escalating

i was in london and riding the underground only a couple of weeks ago

216 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:20am
#198 Spiritualized 7/7/2005 03:10AM PDT

The Israeli conference could be just coincidence,

I doubt it - attacks of this coordination aren't usually random.

Netanyahu stands the best chance right now to replace sharon as head of the Likud and stop the suicide disengagement plan.

The petition that was just finished last night, (as I linked above) that will quite possibly remove sharon as Likud Chairman, is the best current legal method of stopping the sharon regime from implementing the evacuation.

IMHO this was directed at Netanyahu with the other locations as smokescreen/bonus killings for the ROP.

But then again, I'm just a right-wing extremist settler conspiracy theorist. Just ask RasR.

217 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:30am

Was just persuing BBC Sport's pics of the joyous celebration by Londoners in Trafalgar square yesterday as the news of the Olympic bid came through ...

Some of those very same folks could now be dead or wounded ...

It's your time to step up the pace, UK -- Your "godchild across the Atlantic" (& good friend) knows that you will ...

218 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:32am

The army are now on the streets in certain parts of London.

At least SIX explosions counted.

219 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:37am

There are rumors that something happened in South Kensington station too.

220 nickpicker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:44am

Germany's leading terrorism expert, Elmar Thevessen, just said on tv that he believes Muslim terrorists are behind the explosions, and that in June the director of MI5 had a briefing with Blair where she warned of terror cells that prepare for jihad in Iraq but might also operate in Britain as well.

221 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:19:58am

The army are on the streets in covent garden,. The met are saying at least 6 explosions. It just keeps going up and up. Tony Blair is giving a statement at midday.

222 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:20:52am

#110 Abu Maven

I never seen a big-time college game, so I am looking forward to it.

Good choice. The OSU vs Texas game is going to be a big one. The "Shoe" in Columbus holds over 100,000 easy, so its going to be packed and loud.

BTW, when Ohio State wins, stay away from the corner of 12th and High Street after the game.

223 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:15am

#213 Gruen

Have you seen that number on the net?

224 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:17am
#201 zombie 7/7/2005 03:13AM PDT

I've counted at least four tube stations attacked, if not six:

I was talking with a friend from London - we also came to 6 stations.

Calling my other Londoners right now...

225 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:21am

This is what I've posted at Winds of Change:

Multiple explosions in London - at least five. Police confirm three buses bombed, including a double-decker. Many casualties, including fatalities. Underground closed, hospitals expecting mass casualties. Government source says at least 20 fatalities. Another source said 90 casualties just at Aldgate Station (London Underground). Witnesses on the underground said carriage exploded. Double-decker torn in half. The London mobile phone network has been shut down. Incidents were reported at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King's Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square in central London, near the British Museum. Bus network shut down.

calanthe, where are you getting your information?

226 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:22am

Definite evidence of a bomb on a train from This eyewitness account:

Arash Kazerouni, 22, said: “There was a loud bang and the train ground to a halt. People started panicking, screaming and crying as smoke came into the carriage.

“A man told everyone to be calm and we were led to safety along the track.”
...

“When they led us to safety, I went past the carriage where I think the explosion was. It was the second one from the front.

The metal was all blown outwards and there were people inside being helped by paramedics.

That's no "power surge."

227 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:28am

204) FabioC.

Even http://www.londontransport.co.uk/ is overloaded.


207) The Limey

I agree we have a choice of being either a Chamberlain or a Churchill and I chose the latter.

228 SnowDawg  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:54am

The latest

here

Despite the attack on a bus as well as the subway the pre$$ is still unwilling to call it a terrorist attack. How much do you want to bet that The Religion of Peace is involved.

229 Excaliber  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:57am

SEPERATE BOMS ON BUSES AND SUBWAYS religion of peace attack on london -seven seperate explosions on london buses and subway system

230 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:03am

Police in London are saying:

Stay where you are;
Do not call emergency services unless it's life threatening; and
They will get back with more information as soon as possible.

They report six explosions:

Edgware, Kings Cross, Aldgate East, Moregate and one other I've forgotten.

231 Jwarrior  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:19am

#212

Thanks mate. Please G-d we'll get through this and it might open our gov's eyes.

Now I truely understand how you guys felt on 9/11. G-d bless the UK and G-d bless the US. You are true friends in my eyes.

Maybe some British people will now understand how Israel feels too and why they need a wall.

I've been saying for years that this would happen.

232 Ellen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:24am

Please, please, please don't do a Spain! Don't toss out Blair and elect some pussy who will appease the terrorists. Remember how the British stood against Hitler? They need to do that now. My prayers for the victims of this horror. My hatred for the animals who perpetrated it.

233 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:28am

Christopher Rucker on FOX "Army soldiers in streets." I think around Buckingham Palace.

I don't imagine the G8 protestors will be hitting any police cars today with no response.

234 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:59am

# 230 f d

Liverpool Street?

235 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:07am

From CNN:

Describing the Russell Square blast, eyewitness Belinda Seabrook told the UK Press Association she saw an explosion rip through the bus as it approached the Square.

"I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double decker bus was in the air," she said.

She said the bus was travelling from Euston to Russell Square and had been "packed" with people turned away from Tube stops.


Would the terrorists have been clever enough to shut down the Tube to force people onto buses?

That would be RoP like, wouldn't it?

236 Gruen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:56am

#223

Friend heard it on the radio...

237 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:24:05am

Police say there are many casualties...won't specify whether it's 'scores' or 'hundreds'. He's hedging saying "to give a total number would be irresponsible". They are starting triage and there are walking wounded. Not prepared to say anything about the number of fatalities.

So what does that tell you?

238 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:24:26am

# 232 E

They just handed Tony a new term ~2 months ago -- I predict this will be a galvanizing action similar to what Bali did to the Aussies ...

239 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:25:35am

The signal for Vodafone mobile phones is lost.

Radio is saying that the emergency response services are working properly, but repeating to stay where you are and do not use the phone.

240 Curious  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:24am

They have to play it down so as not to cause panic. It's exactly the right thing to do.

I was worried sick about my sister and nephew, but they're OK.

I hope all of my fellow Londoners posting here and their loved ones are safe.

241 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:29am

The BBC has posted a timeline of events over the last two hours, but's still just a mishmash of conflicting reports.

242 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:45am

225 colt
i'm watching sky news. it's less nuanced than the bbc. there web site is prettty good too. they've got some pictures up too. sky news

243 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:19am

Oh sh*t!

looks like the jihadis have struck in London, multiple targets.

244 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:28am

#234 Buckaroo:

That's the one I forgot, I guess. Yes...not Liverpool Station...Liverpool Street.

I'm hearing pickaxes were used to get into one of the coaches underground. Seems to have been some kind of derailment (from the explosion?).

Though I'm not counting the anarchists out here...this definitely looks like al-Qaeda. The sequencing...I'd not be surprised to see more explosion to get those treating the wounded.

245 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:35am

British government source quoted on CNN as saying 20 dead.

246 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:36am

Friend of mine in London is saying that apparently 2 trains collided in one of the incidents , looking for corroboration now...

247 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:56am

Six blasts, according to police.

Many casualties.

248 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:28:55am

The British Foreign Office will make the appropriate response to these attacks; they'll demand that Israel make more territorial concessions to the PLO.

249 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:29:11am

#244

The complete name is Liverpool Street Station.

It's at the eastern edge of Central London, just off the City. A very busy spot for City workers.

250 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:29:11am

Apparently 3 explosions on buses in Central London...

251 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:29:39am

No bragging about biscuits this morning...just solidarity with Great Britain, God Bless them!

252 The Limey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:09am

I don't want to see that **** Livingstone on my tv shedding crocodile tears, not when he's in ideological bed with these moon god worshipping scumbags.

253 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:43am

Some of the tube system (all of it?) has been shut down to prevent any more injuries from explosions. Also buses are taking walking wounded from King's Cross area to east London hospitals. There has been a stream of buses coming in and 'fleets' of ambulances taking off. Whatever has happened, it's a lot bigger than they're admitting. The Dept. of Health says there is a plan in place for those who need to be treated immediately. The Royal Hospital in Whitechapel is closed to all but emergency treatment.

254 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:54am

Israel Army radio is reporting (they emphasize that it is the first report and not completely confirmed) that Scotland Yard warned the Israeli Embassy in London about a tip they received that there would be an attack and the security people kept Bibi Netanyahu in his room.

Ynetnews says that one of the tube stations involved is near Golders Green, which is a very Jewish neighborhood. Can anyone confirm this?

255 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:31:54am

The multiple bus explosions have me thinking suicide bombers. How could they preposition explosives on buses? I suppose they could get on, drop their payload and get off, but most people are onto unattended packages nowdays.

/anyone hear anything, packages versus suicider?

256 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:32:04am

Officials now discounting "power surge" theory (even though I'm pretty sure that's what it was--not electrical but Jihadi).

257 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:32:36am

#197

No shit, sherlock!

258 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:32:40am

BBC saying at least six blasts on buses and the tube.

Two confirmed dead, "scores" injured

259 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:24am

I'm pulling this out of thin air, so don't ask where I got these numbers: these are just my estimates from the dozens of articles I've been frantically scanning over the last half hour:

I predict

over 1000 casualties
at least 10 fatalities
resulting from at least 8 separate attacks on trains and buses.

Each incident (as in Aldgate) seems to result in 100 or more casualties (mostly "walking wounded"); 100 x 8 explosions gets us somewhere up near 1000.

Don't quote me on this; just trying to estimate the eventual scale of what happened based on what we know now.

260 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:41am

I had been under the impression since the days of the IRA that the police and public kept a sharp watch out for unattended packages.

That should have made a Madrid style attack harder for terrorists to pull off.

I just checked, London Heathrow is drizzle and 57oF (14oC), so perhaps someone wearing a jacket or sweater that could conceal a bomb belt wouldn't be too conspicuous.

Morning rush starting on the East Coast. I hope nothing has been planned here.

261 luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:47am

251 'Nam Grunt

solidarity with Great Britain, God Bless them!
262 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:03am

Fox news says 90 casualties so far.

263 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:08am

Arab sources spoke to Frank Gardner and told him "almost certainly the work of AQ"

Surpise, f*cking surprise

264 The Limey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:09am

westbankmama there's an Israeli economic conference in London today which Bibi was supposed to attend. Apparently it was near one of the targets.
Doubt that's a motive though because, as we all know, when the dust settles in a few days we'll find out all the Jooo stayed at home today.

265 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:16am

Someone really wanted to spoil Tony Blair's Olympics party.

266 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:35:06am

90 dead reported at Aldgate only. This could be bigger than Madrid.

267 Murder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:35:34am

This could be the start.

268 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:35:59am

#260 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades, the islamists better hope nothing has been planned here, too.

I am angry.

269 The Limey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:36:28am

Today is the first day of Abu Hamza's (aka Captain Hook) trial.

270 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:36:29am

Hey folks this attack took months and for sure weeks to prepare for, so it has nothing to do with the olympics.

271 Jwarrior  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:36:48am

#232 Ellen

Blair's already a leftie. I've voted the RIGHT way all my life. Us Brits will fight fire with fire. We are not appeasers.

Hitler couldn't wipe us off the map, nor could the IRA. We've been here before. Blitz spirit.

272 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:14am
#266 GreatDane 

90 dead reported at Aldgate only.

No no, "casualties" just means injured. 90 Injured at Aldgate, not 90 dead.

273 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:18am

# 266 G D

Whoa -- link says 90 **casualties** -- let's not further cloud an already bad situation ...

{desperately hoping the final deaths number doesn't rise much past the 20 CNN has put out ... }

274 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:20am

AP: Senior Israeli official says Israel was told by Scotland Yard, minutes before bombings, they were expecting a terrorist attack.

275 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:28am

Fox reporting no advance warning.

/not IRA's style

276 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:32am

Waiting for word that London Jews were pre-warned to avoid the transit system this morning. Won't be long now.

277 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:47am

Please, let's not jump to conclusions.

Whatever we do, let's not "blame" or "target" the peaceful muslim communities of GB

278 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:37:51am

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel offers to send a team of trauma experts. Unfortunately the doctors here really know how to deal with this.

I am sure Zaka has already offered too.

279 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:03am
#254 westbankmama 7/7/2005 03:30AM PDT

Israel Army radio is reporting (they emphasize that it is the first report and not completely confirmed) that Scotland Yard warned the Israeli Embassy in London about a tip they received that there would be an attack and the security people kept Bibi Netanyahu in his room.

Wait for it - this was all a Mossad/Zionist plot.

Gotta get to work -

My prayers and blessings to all those harmed by this, and those who love them.

280 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:25am

My cousin works in the City, and a family friend - honest to G-d, the sweetest girl I've ever met - works at Harrods. Nothing from either just yet.

281 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:29am

#269 The Limey, yes, definitely a connection!

282 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:09am

Embassies in London have been evacuated.

283 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:19am

On another blog I saw that Sky News reported that Scotland Yard said a warning was called in just before the blast.

So it could still be anarchists/IRA, with a bad sense of timing.


Muslims wouldn't call in a warning at all.


Of course, in the early confusion, that report could be wrong.

284 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:22am

#242 calanthe

I think I was blogging while you were watching.

285 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:24am

Now, seconds later, Fox reporting Scotland Yard had advance warning and notified Israel.

/still sounds like AQ

286 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:36am

#266 Great Dane:

Whoooaa! 90 'Casualties' not dead!

287 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:39:48am

The coordinators of this attack may have been waiting for the perfect time to set their plans into motion - the G8 and the Olypics business might have provided the occasion. This attack was clearly planned to cause as much panic and confusion as possible - affecting London's entire transportation system.

288 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:40:21am

Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I had been under the impression since the days of the IRA that the police and public kept a sharp watch out for unattended packages.

How do you stop a suicide bomber though? Even Israeli security can't prevent that sort of terrorism 100% of the time and our security is nowhere near the level of Israel's.

9-10am is also rush-hour, it's really really busy on the tube at that time of day. A small bag could easily go unnoticed amongst the thrall of people. Someone could leave it on the train at one station and then get off at the next.

289 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:40:37am

Are they dancing in the street and handing out sweets at Finsbury Park Mosque? That's one quick way to ascertain if it's the ROP.

290 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:41:00am

To all our British friends my deepest sympathies on this terrible act of terrorism, carried out by the enemies of the free world.

My heart goes out to you.

May there be severe retribution.

291 Luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:41:21am

Some tv guy said many unusual people have entered UK recently for the big rock concert. This could have provided cover for bringing people in for a coordinated terrorist attack.

292 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:42:01am

Just woke up here in Memphis.

The bastards. Terrorism expert on Fox says some bombs were delayed to injure first responders.

293 fellay Timi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:42:14am

Nope, this isnt the UK's 9-11, it is the UK's 7-7.

No doubt our UK MSM will spin it for a few days to avoid blaming the [bigoted word]s

My aunt works at Earls Court,unable to contact her at the moment.

#252 The Limey

You took the words right out of my mouth

294 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:43:21am

#292:

The bastards. Terrorism expert on Fox says some bombs were delayed to injure first responders.

Another hallmark sign of the RoP motherf*ckers.

295 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:43:32am

A first toll is 20 deaths.

Six explosions on the Tube, three on buses. An unexploded bomb was found on the tracks near Stockwell, just south of the Thames.

296 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:43:44am

# above

sorry, my bad. It's 90 CASUALITIES not dead at aldgate. I still think its bigger than Madrid though (190 dead). We'll see.

297 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:43:51am
Terrorism expert on Fox says some bombs were delayed to injure first responders.

A tactic perfected by the Religion of Peace.

298 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:44:09am

# 293 f t

"7-7"

OK, what's the significance of that date to the meteroite worshippers? Mo bang a little girl on that date? little boy? behead an infidel? What?
:-~

299 Gruen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:44:28am

BBC quoting Arab sources that "Al Quaeda is claiming responsibility"

300 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:44:38am

#276,

Exactly. The anti-Israel propaganda is no doubt part of the operation.

301 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:44:47am

From St. Mary's Hospital:

12 critically injured, 14 moderately injured at the moment

more casualties on their way

302 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:14am

I've set up a news page on the attacks at Winds of Change.

303 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:24am

London Police spokesman: seems to be saying there was a massive communication failure...apparently there was some notification that the bombs or something were going off but a train was allowed to leave the station and it must have had a crash. He's very shaken. Well...I just realized he's on FOX so you all can probably see it. The gentleman says he has "pity" for whoever did it. When the reporter said "Pity?" he said "Yes, he thought anyone who perpetrated such an evil act needed pity."

304 dr. pangloss  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:41am

MTS launches system for trading Israeli bonds
By Päivi Munter
Published: July 6 2005 20:56 | Last updated: July 6 2005 20:56

MTS is to launch a new platform for trading in Israeli government bonds, adding to the 11 eurozone countries whose debt securities can be traded on the company’s EuroMTS system.

Europe’s leading bond platform operator said on Wednesday it would launch MTS Israel by the end of the year.
...
Benjamin Netanyahu , Israeli finance minister, and other senior officials are due to meet investors at a conference in London on Thursday.

305 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:52am

The number of dead from the buses may continue to rise. I recall reading a story about the suicide attacks on Israeli buses. Some people will appear to have only minor injuries at first, but the overpressure caused by a blast in a confined space damages the blood vessels of the lungs, which eventually swell/leak, causing death many hours later.

306 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:56am

Not that it really matters, given the circumstances, but prepare for your portfolios to take it in the shorts today.

/let's step up the effort against these savages and, once and for all, make the world safe for real civilization

307 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:46:23am

#295 Fabio C.:

I'm so sorry to hear of this horrific attack.

I'm glad you're all right.

308 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:46:43am

How very prescient to have this post up regarding the Moroccan preacher. These guys ought to be locked up forever. And their families should be quarantined also. Forever.

309 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:47:26am

However, the thousands of passengers on the Tube cannot be evacuated in a few minutes, so any intempestive warning is useless. It's not the case to harp on this.

310 Ellen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:48:27am

I'm reserving my pity for the victims. I know I should pray for the perpetrators, but I just can't. God gave us free will, and the bombers have perverted theirs.

311 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:48:30am

#306 Killian Bundy

How?

Please outline your strategy.

312 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:48:52am

# 308 D

Sorry -- but during moments like these I lean toward the thought that "locking up" is way too good for them ...
:-~

313 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:50:07am

Eyewitness accounts from the BBC: [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

314 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:50:23am

According to this timeline of events on CNN, there have been FOUR bus explosions as well -- three reported as of 10:33 local time, then a second reported in Tavistock Square.

It keeps getting bigger and bigger.

315 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:52:01am

I can't reach my friend on his mobile.

Be back later.

316 Pennies for Patriots  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:52:49am

BREAKING NEWS:

Double decker bus bomb explodes in London, England...

317 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:52:51am

Oh no. Hang in there Brits.

318 Ackomanyuki  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:53:11am

Yhe news is being reported, the story, however,is currently being played out in the Mosques of the West. The news crews should be at these dens of subrefuge, recording their gleeful celebrations and not hovering at the bomb sites trying to capture more gore. We have already seen gore for far to long. It is now time to address the problem. Anyone with any recon or intel experience shoild be all over their local mosques and Islamasist owned buisinesses and quietly observing and making notes to prepare for the enevitable. The goverment has failed again. It may be time for some ad hoc grassrooots direct action along the lines of the phoenix program. It's kill or be killed folks and your leadership is knitting. They should inter them all, sort out the assholes, then put them on barge in the South Pacific and sink it. Short of some kind of pro active measures (perhaps some less dramatic and short sighted than the barge scenario are in order first) by the goverment, expect more gore to follow, all dutifully reported by some bimbo with a communications degree. If the media and the pols do not get on board now and this occours in th US (and it will given our ostrich posturing) EXPECT THE INNER REDNECK TO ARISE OUT OF NORMALLY DECENT CITIZENS.

319 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:53:31am

Mansour Ijaz made a good point (speculating) that Scotland Yard could have recieved a warning a few minutes prior and then contacted friendly intelligence services to notify/corroborate. Said Al Qaeda "in more recent attacks" has been "taunting" authorities in some cases.

Don't know if I believe him...

320 Murder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:54:17am

Nazis bombing London, again. What ever happened to the nazis, anyway?...

321 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:54:42am

Fox News commentator mentioned 1 or 2 unexploded devices recovered -- somebody's gonna be wishing they had done a better job wiping fingerprints in about 24 hrs. ...

322 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:55:00am

#319 Dar ul Harb, or an apostate Muslim who likes the good life in England?

323 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:55:26am
324 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:55:42am

#316 Pennies for Patriots

Is this then the fourth bus to expode - and where is it? Do you have a link for that please?

325 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:56:01am

FABIO:

Is the cell phone network overloaded in London at the moment?

I can't reach my friend, I onbly get static on the line.

326 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:56:22am

I pray the bombers weren't as successful as they have been in the past at slaughtering innocent people trying to make an honest living. I can't imagine what you must be going through in London. But I fear it won't be long.

This sounds suspiciously like another 3/11 so I'm leaning towards jihadi terrorism. It was organized to maximize casualties and create panic. Perhaps the IRA, but London has been high on the jihadi target list in recent years.

Yet AP is reporting:

Initial reports blamed a power surge for the subway explosions, but officials were not ruling out an intentional attack.

I've heard of power surges starting fires, even explosions when near volatile chemicals, but never a power surge explosion.

327 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:56:41am

# 325 G J

Fabio had mentioend that Vodaphone was overloaded some 30 min. ago yes ...

328 # 17  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:56:54am

As Israel has learnt, and London is being taught

" אים אין ערבים אין פיגועים "

329 Shira  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:05am

#316

What -- another one?

Oh, no. ...

330 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:07am

I hate to be cynical but this may have been the jolt the British needed to take Bush's WoT seriously. There will be some who'll blame this on Bush but Bush was just the messenger...he saw early the danger (that G*d!) and acted. For that he's taken a lot of heat. This would have happened if Bush had never been born. This was in the plan for Islam.

331 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:33am

#325 Golden Jerusalem

They most likely are, as the US wakes up and people start calling relatives and friends.

332 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:37am

Anyone on here from London:

Is the cell phone system down?

333 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:05am

#325 GJ

Vodafone has nos signal at all; it seems that at least some mobile networks have been shut down. I would suggest to restrain from using the phone (yes, I know, it's easy to say).

334 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:11am

# 326 B

The initial blasts seemed to screw up the electrical system in the Tube which had led to those first reports -- no one presently is saying anythign other than explosions ...

335 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:24am

Blair about to address the nation at 7 am est.

336 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:30am

#321 Buckaroo, we don't need finger prints. Just send every koranic person on a one way Hajj for a life time of bliss in Mecca.

337 torchy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:35am

Casualty is usually indeterminate. It can mean one killed, injured or missing. I'm not taking account for popular usage though, just the common definition. I'm hoping for widepread minor injuries, please ;(

338 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:52am

#328:

"Ein aravim, ein piguim!"

Yes.

339 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:59:49am

# 336 R

Don't we wish bro, don't we wish ...

340 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:59:58am

Buckaroo:

I don't know if this is important but apparently, after the first blast...the cell phones were disconnected so that remote cell phones couldn't be used. Whether that had anything to do with the electrical system or whether that was a result of separate incidents I can't tell.

341 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:00:09am

David Hunt on Fox says given the apparent scale of the attack, a warning in advance was unlikely... he's discounting the "Scotland Yard" rumor.

I agree. The rumor sounds too much like enemy propaganda.

342 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:00:10am

#333 Fabio C.:

Thanks.

Yes, they reported this on the news now, too.

I sent my friend an e-mail and hope he'll respond soon.

343 Morgan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:00:17am

When is Cherie Blair going to express her understanding and sympathy for the killers. Oh wait, these attacks were not in Jerusalem.

344 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:00:35am

Golden J-


In English?

345 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:05am

Uh oh: according to "This Is London" "bodies are piled in the wreckage":

Eye-witnesses reported bodies piled in the wreckage of damaged Tube trains

Worse and worse and worse.

346 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:08am

Myles Davis says that loss of limbs, horrific injuries and deaths are being reported so CNN obviously is getting different information.

347 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:37am

The London mobile phone network is down.

Find another way to contact family and friends. Do not panic if you cannot reach them via landlines, because they are under immense pressure.

348 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:40am

Um, folks had talked about having rotating flags up at the top of the page yesterday? -- Today might be a good day to fly the Union Jack ...


/praying for the British Lion ...

349 Murder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:02:00am

Drudge went back to the full news page. Looks like he doesn't think the death toll will be high. Keep in mind that body count reports often start off ridiculously low compared to the final tally, as with the tsunami, which I believe started with the report of 2 deaths.

350 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:02:01am

#340,

Can confirm that report, since I heard earlier that the Vodaphone network had "shut down". Maybe that's how they were able to recover unexploded devices, if any.

351 Fluffster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:02:42am

That was strange...the BBC World news scroller on the bottom of the screen started to display "two palestinian militants" and then disappeared, and appeared again without that snippet.

352 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:03:31am
#311 GreatDane

#306 Killian Bundy

How?

Good question and I really don't have a palatable or snappy answer. You can't kill them all or even most of them, but this is going to continue and most likely escalate until we somehow deal effectively with the heart of the beast in Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, etc. It won't be easy or achievable anytime soon.

/assuming radical Islam won't reform itself, all the other options and methods for dealing with the problem are quite ugly, severe and will be hard to stomach for the West

353 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:03:49am

Perhaps the cell network shut down due to overloading, rather than by the authorities?

Blair on live, now!

354 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:04:00am

#344 Ed:

In English:

"No arabs, no [terrorist] attacks"

It's a graffitti you see around here.

355 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:04:59am

If my timezome calculations are correct, Blair should be giving a press conference right now.

356 # 17  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:04:59am

Ed # 344

If there are no Arabs there are no attacks

357 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:05:07am

Blair leaving G8, going to London...

358 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:05:10am

Fuck.

I just got into work - I walked 6 miles. When I left home it was just a power surge {see my #131}

I'm 2min walk from the Russell square bus bomb. All the streets are cordoned off, I had to walk round back streets to get to work.

Most of my family & friends work in & around Liverpool St.

It's chaos

359 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:05:26am

#334 Buckaroo

This is tragic. Thanks for the update. As stated above, our governments have been caught flat-footed again. If this is yet another jihadi attack, any politician trotting out the usual platitudes about the "tiny minority" or "peaceful religion" should face a barrage of angry questions from the MSM. But I'm pessimistic.

This is looking more and more like a real world war. At what point do we take the obvious measures necessary to protect the innocent people? If our governments can't come up with some draconian (in a democracy) measures, I refuse to believe they are serious about protecting us.

It's time to put up or step down.

360 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:05:46am

If only we hadn't pissed off the terrorists, they wouldn't have done this.

/summoning George Galloway

361 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:06:16am

Tony Blair confirms the obvious that these are "terrorist attacks".
Says he's returning to London, but the G8 Meeting will continue in his absence, and will issue a statement.

Calls attacks "barbaric," says the attack was coordinated with the G8.

362 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:06:51am

# 359 B

"It's time to put up or step down"

Mr. Blair is doing the former at this very moment ...

363 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:06:55am

Blair looks and sounds deeply shaken by this

"Our determination to defend our values, way of life, greater than their determination to cause death and destruction to innocent civilians..."

364 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:11am

Just finished watching Blair.

God help him, and God bless the U.K.

365 Joel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:17am

How soon before Red Ken Lvingstone, the BBC, al Guardian,Das Independent, al Reuters somehow try to shift the blame to Israel?

366 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:37am

#348 buckaroo


I agree. and also, as someone suggested yesterday, the Gadsden flag as well.


There is only one way to stop it. When the world has the stomach for that, it'll be over.
It may be un-PC, and it may be insensitive, and it may even seem a little crazy...but if we are to stop the muslim death cult there is only ONE way...

KILL.THEM.ALL.

367 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:50am

I wake up and turn on the TV, expecting the usual hum-drum on Fox and Friends...and see this instead. And here, I was hoping for a quiet day today...

My prayers go out to those involved and I hope those responsible are quickly hunted down and strung up like sides of beef. They can run, they can hide, but they will pay.

368 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:59am

Tony Blair: "They will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country..."

(Correction: BTW, by "coordinated" I meant to say, "timed to coincide")

369 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:59am

Cell phones are down, cant phone out on the office lines

370 Ellen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:30am

Has Red Ken said anything yet?

371 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:42am

#358 Smit, good to hear from you. Hope your friends and family are ok too.

372 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:44am

#358 Smit

Our prayers are with your family and friends.

373 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:50am

#358 Smit:

I'm so sorry to hear of this. I hope everybody's okay.

My heart goes out to the people of London...

374 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:09:45am

# 370 E

One can only hope he'll keep his frickin' mouth shut until evening and let the adults straighten things out ...
:-~

375 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:09:45am

#359 Beagle

I agree with that sentiment.

Sadly, given a few weeks, this will be forgotten, just as Madrid was forgotten. Indeed, the discussion will very quickly shift towards Iraq and we will find that Tony Blair will be blamed for all of this. The usual suspects are already saying these things as we speak.

376 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:10:44am

# 375 r

"The usual suspects are already saying these things as we speak."

The Kos kidz are awake already?

377 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:10:47am

Cell phones deliberately shut down by authorities in London to prevent them being used to detonate bombs. The police have been able to get a couple of unexploded packs with bombs in them because of the fact they didn't explode later. This will provide invaluable information.

378 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:10:50am

#369,

Cell phone networks may have been shut down by authorities to prevent remote detonation of cell phone bombs.

379 ShiksaGrrrl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:10:58am

Can anyone please tell me IF OXFORD Street has had any explosions hit it?


Thx

380 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:11:25am

#370 Ellen

Red Ken is in Singapore.

381 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:15am

*** Some Islamic group has claimed responsibility ***

382 Elle Plater  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:26am

They just reported another explosion this minute.

383 # 17  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:30am

# 370 Red Ken in still in Singapore, where he went in connection with London's Olympic bid.
He (like Blair) is rushing back to London. And what good will that do anyone. They should keep out of the way and let the emergency service evacuate the injured.

384 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:36am

All cell phones should have GPS that cannot be disabled w/o destroying the device. All locations should be monitored. If these locations dissect known mosques/terrorist locations they should be flagged. All cell phones should routinely be disabled in cities above a certain side. We lived w/o them for a long time as strange as it seems.

385 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:46am

Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom DENIES that the Israeli Embassy received prior warning of the bomb from Scotland Yard.

One more rumor for the Arabs to spread blaming the Jews.

386 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:53am
387 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:53am

Red Ken nowhere in sight, so far. Police Chief and Scotland Yard doing all the talking.

388 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:13:28am

# 379 SG

From BBC -- "Scotland Yard said explosions have been reported at Edgware Road, King's Cross, Liverpool Street, Russell Square, Aldgate East and Moorgate."

My London geography sucks, don't know how close any of these Central locations are to Oxford St. ...

389 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:13:37am

#381 Spiritualized, which group might that be? Mohammed's?

390 cybermonk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:13:45am

I am sure mr Galloway will symphatize with the bombers, and expect everyone in London to "understand" that this was an act of "resistance" and not terrorism.

/sarc

391 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:14:03am

# 352

I'll tell you how. There is only one way to get rid of this monster.

We have to ban and reject islam in our societes.

I would personally declare war on the entire ideology - a worldwide civil war, but I guess it would be hard to gain support for that strategy.

I see no other way. I don't believe the religion will reform itself, and 1400 years of history proves it will never assimilate to our values.

392 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:14:20am

"The Organization of AQ/ Jihad in Europe" has apparently claimed responsibility.

Surprise, f*cking surprise.

393 XMangels  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:15:14am

NBC's Katie Curic and whoever that guy with her after PMBlair spoke, decided that Blair made it absolutly clear it was a terrorist attck like they had suspected.

DUUUGGGHH ya think
Multiple bombs and you were pretty sure it was a terrorist attack but hadn't quite nailed it down?

Maybe MSM ment to say it was the AQ, but since MSM has been calling terrorist insurgents, freedom fighter and such they haven't got there spin down.

Ha ha now Katie brings up the Olympic angle.

Now Katie wants to know if the President will hurry home.

Uggh

394 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:15:32am

Galloway to GITMO - NOW!

395 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:15:57am

#385,

Thanks for that notice.

396 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:16:14am

U.S. rush hour is about to begin.

If you're using public transportation, stay alert today.

/just in case they're trying for something even bigger

397 # 17  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:17:15am

# 394 No way

Galloway to Saudi and let him stay there

Gitmo is infinitely preferable

398 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:17:50am

F*cking bastards.

My blood boils.

I want retribution - swift and painful, on those who did this and any of their supporters.

I also want the EU to stop having meeting with terrorists, who kill our people here.

399 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:17:51am

Given today's events, the #4 comment in this thread bears repeating--and emphasizing.

400 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:18:05am

# 379 SG

No, theres nothing so far in Oxford St.
The Bus bomb was about 5 mins from oxford st.
We're getting reports in the office here in Holborn/Covent Garden, that there are unexploded bombs in Holborn.

Some offices have been evacuated, mine has been told to stay put right now.

401 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:18:46am

If today (7/7) is London's 9/11, will Red Ken Livingston become London's Rudy Guliani, leading the city to the determination to strengthen itself and fight against the effects of terror attacks?

Will there be widespread talks by the left about, "What have we done wrong to deserve these attacks?" "What are the root causes of terror - predatory capitalism and imperialism?"

I would not take it as an assumption that the people of London will react with righteous indignation against radical Islam. This is something we will have to watch.

402 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:19:01am

#376 Buckaroo

The Kos Kidz are still sleeping off last nights excesses. However, they are the least of our worries.

The was some idiotic woman on CNN earlier who said that whoever did this was "trying to send a message" since, if they had wanted to kill lots of people, they could have done that yesterday during the Olympic celebrations.

And you can be sure that all the Kennedys and Galloways of Britain will pick up on exactly that sort of sentiment and blame Tony Blair for all of this.

403 Ellen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:19:21am

I heard they had threated to set off bombs in Italy and Denmark. I am very afraid they'll try something in Germany during World Youth Day.

I really wish Red Ken would stay away, or at least keep quiet. I just KNOW he will blame Bush for this.

404 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:20:40am

#403 Ellen

First he'll blame Blair.

405 # 17  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:20:47am

Unfortunately, bodies are being brought out of Russell Square tube

406 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:20:49am

Horrible.

Hopefully, by some miracle, the death count will be low.

OTOH, bus/subway bombings are the terror tactic of choice for those jihadis that are incapable of executing anything huge in the style of 9-11 or a WMD attack, which I suppose is a positive sign.

407 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:20:56am

# 401 Y

"I would not take it as an assumption that the people of London will react with righteous indignation against radical Islam"

I still maintain this will quietly galvanize the Brits in the same way Bali stteled the resolve of the Aussies ...

408 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:21:47am

Since they got hit at home, the hypocrites at the BBC and their fellow travelers at al-Guardian, al-Independent and al-Mirror will call the perpetrators of the attacks "terrorists" instead of "militants."

That will amuse me in a sad sort of way.

409 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:13am

#396,

Good advice any day, but especially today...

As the Instapudit says, "a pack, not a herd."

410 Murder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:14am
a worldwide civil war

I believe it's referred to as a "world war". Then there is the more poetic "war of civilizations", which is only really suitable if you think Islam is the least bit civilized.

411 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:15am

Arghh I hate the BBC.

It's always "al-Qaeda" never Muslim or "Islamic terrorists."

412 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:19am

Too true, Fast Eddie was eerily quick.

#4 Fast Eddie 7/6/2005 08:51PM PDT

Is there anybody out there who still doesn't believe that this is World War IV?

413 mpax  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:22am

Tim Blair has this on his site:
UPDATE. From our friends at Democratic Underground: “Funny how Bu$h always gets a distraction just when he needs it the most. That Osama fellow always comes through just in the nick of time.”
[Link: timblair.net...]

That DU can always be counted on for a tastelss remark

414 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:24am

Im also fearful, nay, certain, that the "Bliar has blood on his hands" crowd will be out in t minus 1 hour.

As always, the left will be expressing their rage at the wrong people. Not sure what is more of a SICKNESS, leftism or Islam.

415 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:36am
416 Golem14  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:39am

Just woke up to the news... oh God, not again. My prayers are with everyone affected, and I hope the people who did this are caught-- fast. I'm still not fully awake yet, so I'm not gonna ramble; I'll just sign off now.

417 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:22:55am
418 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:23:41am
419 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:24:06am

Already one guy who was in the tube when the bombs went off and escaped with his life said on camera he "pitied" whoever did it. When asked if he meant "pitied" he reasserted that yes, he felt anyone who did what he saw, needed to be "pitied".

King' Cross Station...they are doing operations on site below ground.

420 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:24:23am
421 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:24:26am

Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo

Since they got hit at home, the hypocrites at the BBC and their fellow travelers at al-Guardian, al-Independent and al-Mirror will call the perpetrators of the attacks "terrorists" instead of "militants."

I wouldn't bet on it, maybe for the first day or so they'll condemn the attacks but after that we'll be back to Iraq and the f**king "Palestinians."

422 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:24:45am

#404 scaramouche, I blame Red Ken Lvingstone. Now we're even. Let us get to deporting the koran followers and their families.

423 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:24:57am

Blair on TV looked pretty shaken but still resolute. There was quite a crowd watching the press conference live in the common room, and I was ready to mouth off any eventual apologist or LLL. But none emerged, thankfully.

424 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:25:07am

Couric is a traitor. I'd like to...well, nevermind. RRGGGggg.

I knew this day would come...and I dreaded it. Prayers for our British friends...and condemnation for Satan's Army.
MAKE THEM PAY, BLAIR. islam must be stopped in it's tracks. NOW.


BUSH ARE YOU LISTENING? THE WORLD IS CRYING. DESTROY ISLAM AND ISLAMIC KILLERSNOW!


God be with us all, and with the people of London on this, their 9-11. :(*tears...

425 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:25:33am
#413 mpax 7/7/2005 04:22AM PDT

That DU can always be counted on for a tastelss remark


It's not a question of taste, they actually believe this drivel.

426 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:25:45am

#348 Buckaroo

Today might be a good day to fly the Union Jack


Indeed. I've never felt less independent from the UK.

I'm afraid the body count has just begun. I wouldn't trust any numbers for at least a couple hours. The emergency services must have their hands full with wounded right now.

427 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:25:51am
428 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:25:52am

Ohmigod. OHMIGOD.

My prayers go out to our friends in London. We are with you...

SMIT!

You stay put & stay safe, girl! If there's something you need, just let me know, ok? (Thanks for the updates.)

429 chickenlips  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:26:20am

MSNBC (tv) has a feed from ITN showing the bus, death toll rising...

430 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:26:56am

Zombie

I predict a major public opinion surge against the ROP in Europe is a'comin'.

Think again.

431 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:27:27am

The only words I have is ... inevitable.

If, as Britain has been doing .. you treat the root cause, acceptable terrorism as someone else's problem, then you just let it happen.

If they'd bothered to deal with the Lebanese situation before Israel had to go into the country, there wouldn't have been an area on the rim of Beirut to train the IRA in.

yes .. thats right .. Sabra and Shatilla were training camps for IRA terrorists (and several other notorious factions)

If they had bothered to realise that the suicide bombing going on in Israel was merely a pretext to using the same inflences and techniques on the REST OF THE WORLD, they would have not deemed the situation in the middle east as SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM !

432 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:27:48am

#412 rednaxela - did I miss WWIII ? I guess I'm off on the recent lingo...

I believe this might be the Final War any of us ever sees...

433 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:08am
#391 GreatDane

I'll tell you how. There is only one way to get rid of this monster.

We have to ban and reject islam in our societes.

I would personally declare war on the entire ideology - a worldwide civil war, but I guess it would be hard to gain support for that strategy.

I see no other way. I don't believe the religion will reform itself, and 1400 years of history proves it will never assimilate to our values.

It'll eventually have to come down to some variation of that strategy. In the end, radical Islam will have to be eliminated, one way or the other. It's just a question as to when Western civilization reaches the tipping point, where they have the stomach and will to finish the job.

Seriosly, one thing we easily, without too much force or pain involved, could do in the near future is to CONFISCATE THEIR [EXPLETIVE DELETED] ROCK!

/and see if that calms them down any

434 Orbit Rain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:11am

tick tick tick tick tick

...coming for you mullahs...

...coming for you jihadis...

435 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:31am

#407 Buckaroo

I still maintain this will quietly galvanize the Brits in the same way Bali stteled the resolve of the Aussies ...

We all hope you are right. Still, there is the possibilty that the notion "terror converts" will come into effect. In Madrid for example, after the immediate anger at the Moroccan terrorists, Spain reverted back to the idea that American foreign policy is the real enemy and that solidarity must be given to the European Muslim populations. The people's opinion of Spain's withdrawl of troops also remained the same or increased.

436 mpax  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:36am

[Link: thresholdstate.com...]

This page (link lifted from TimBlair.net
has further links

437 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:36am

#427

There are 8 million people in London alone. Even excluding Muslims and LLLs, how would one single opinion be significative of anything?

438 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:36am
439 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:29:11am

#429 chickenlips:

Hi! Are you new or have I missed you before? Anyway, thanks for the tip. I've got them on now. I just happened to be tuning in early this morning (5 a.m.) when the feed from CNN International started reporting it. No FOX at first...they don't start regular programming till 7 a.m. est.

440 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:29:14am

Western civilization needs to defend itself. But first, it needs to leave behind those who do not agree with the need to do this. That's it. The rest is relatively easy.

441 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:29:25am

#430 TMF

Sadly, you are right.

The only thing this will do is make the EUros blame Bush and Blair for Iraq, i.e. lets not piss of the terrorists for otherwise they will kill us.

442 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:29:27am

At Winds of Change, a poster says that CNBC is reporting 50 killed at Euston Station.

443 mpax  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:30:06am

I don't think the Brits are dhimmi like the Spanish.
They took this from the Nazis, took it from the IRA.
Chirac might not like British food, but it seems to give one backbone. French should eat more of it.

444 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:30:28am

Any pictures of jubiliation in the West Bank yet?

445 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:30:31am

#433 Killian Bundy, radical islam needs to be encouraged. islam needs to be destroyed.

446 Rocket Rod  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:31:03am

Ceterum censeo Islam delenda est

447 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:31:13am

Northern fringe of central London and then the bus bombs were timed to catch those commuters who, unable to use the tube after the first explosions, turned to the buses. This was a diabolically mean act. Mean in the way of true evil meanness. Not enough to blow people up...they have to pull a sneak attack on the survivors who are already frightened. Bastards!

448 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:32:36am

US Intel now saying that there's "no indication" that attacks similar to those in London planned for US cities. Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the only warning of the attacks in London come from a phone call a few minutes before the first explosion?

449 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:32:41am
450 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:33:45am

#442,

If that's the case for one site, this is going to be Madrid again.

451 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:34:40am

#448 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There was a phone call warning?!

452 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:36:23am

Israeli foreign minister denying that enemy propaganda regarding Scotland Yard contact re: advance warning.

453 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:36:27am
454 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:36:56am

Where are the vermin now? Hiding out in their holes. They need to be rounded up. Ring their necks. There was a wonderful scene in that HBO movie about the terrorist attack in London. They got this terrorist and were holding his head under water in the bathtub. HBO, can you imagine? London police have their suspicions about who these animals are and where they are. Individual rights do not matter more than the right of individuals to go to work without being blown up!

455 jas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:03am

My prayers go out to you Brits this morning. My God, what's it going to take for the world to wake up?! ROPMA, indeed!

456 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:04am

#451 rednaxela

That's what I'd heard from Fox News when I first turned on the TV. Something about a phone call to the authorities around 10-20 minutes before the first explosion.

Then again, it might have been in response to the rumor that there had been a warning to the Israeli Embassy.

457 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:41am

It's better I try to distract myself a bit; there's nothing I can do about this whole mess. See you later folks.

458 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:43am

The Anglican Church and the AUT and all rest of the boycott/divestment bunch can keep up their efforts to marginalize Israel and turn it into a pariah state. But it won't do diddly to change the fact that Israel and Brits face the same murderous enemy--and can only delay the day of his eventual defeat.

459 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:58am

and someone correct me if i'm wrong, but those poor people don't even have any guns...mostly...

You can be sure as soon as the "rebels" hear about this, there will be candy in the streets. And the muslims in GB will probably be as silent as the muslims in America were on 9-12-2001. They approve of this evil madness and they should share the fate of the bombers.

460 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:38:04am

{Golden J, Roger, Yank in EU,}

{littleoldlady}

Thankyou for your thoughts - I'll keep you posted.

#431 Buster Bunny

The only words I have is ... inevitable.

If, as Britain has been doing .. you treat the root cause, acceptable terrorism as someone else's problem, then you just let it happen.

Can we not have the "it's your own fault" debate until tomorrow please.

461 MarkX  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:39:03am

Wake up, Charles.

462 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:39:33am

I'm afraid that a hundred dead (2 x wounded) might be a conservative estimate. If suicide bombers were involved, we can be assured they were looking for crowds.

This is sickening. France is worried about Polish Plumbers while jihadis flow into Europe every day.

463 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:40:35am
#445 Roger

Unfortunately, you're probably right, there's no true distinction, Islam is Islam. My bad.

START BY TAKING THEIR ROCK AWAY! It's a stationary target, sitting in an open air mosque, not far from the water, and their "religion" forbids them from moving it!

/Im sure there are contingency plans somewhere for this, just do it!

464 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:40:48am

Jesus Christ! I've just seen it!

How many British brothers and sisters have been killed?

My blood is boiling!

465 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:41:24am

#459,

those poor people don't even have any guns...mostly...

That's true.

466 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:41:30am

Jamie Rubin's wife, Christiane Amanpour on CNN a few seconds ago:

"This is not, thankfully, 9/11"

467 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:42:44am

#462,

Someone on Fox pointed out that the stations targeted were the chokepoints between bus and rail lines, mostly.

468 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:42:46am

Double digit fatalities at King's Cross alone.

469 rin  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:43:22am

My prayers & sorrow for the British this morning.

Didn't that imam/sheik guy go to trial yesterday in London?

470 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:43:26am

#466 rednaxela, the best she could do, huh? Turn CNN off.

471 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:43:33am

#466

No, Christianne, it's 7/7.

472 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:43:38am

I'm going to stop posting for a while. Perhaps it's better if I don't share my evolving thoughts.

To our brothers and sisters in the UK, I'll be praying for you and thinking about you.

473 www.gunzilla.net  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:43:46am

@232

Ellen, Blair IS the pussy. Yeah, he went to Iraq alongside Bush but at home he and his socialist friends are playing the dhimmi. Watch the British left kiss Muslim ass while condemning Israel and the US. Just watch.

474 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:46:31am

Fox earlier had unconfirmed reports that the double decker bus at Russell Square was hit by suicide bomber.

475 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:46:35am

So far there has been confirmed bombs at

Edgware Road
King's Cross
Liverpool Street
Russell Square
Aldgate East
Moorgate

And a bus bomb at Tavistock Sq / Russel Sq.

NB - I don't understand the Aldgate East/Whitechapel bomb. That area is predominantly muslim.

476 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:46:37am

#466 rednexela:

She actually said that? What a moron! She should shut up and disappear. She converted to Islam a few years back, though she's married Jamie Rubin. She's Iranian background.

I'm watching women who were witnesses to the train bombings this morning. Their faces are all scratched and bleeding. It's absolutely awful and we haven't any idea of what's going on in the tube. It must be just terrible. Pray for them. The doctors and nurses as well as the patients and the other rescue workers. Pray!

477 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:47:55am

Sky News says terror group linked to A-Q has claimed credit for the attack.

478 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:48:29am
479 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:48:31am

Crawl on Fox says two London hospitals report 185 casualties. (NOT NECESSARILY KILLED)

480 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:48:38am

#475 Smit:

NB - I don't understand the Aldgate East/Whitechapel bomb. That area is predominantly muslim.

So the bomber had less of a distance to walk, then.

481 our gal sal  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:48:46am

#460 Smit

I concur on the debate. The LLL will do it for us, but will completely miss the point, as usual: "What did you do to make them hate you?"

Prayers for the citizens of London.

482 alibey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:49:18am

will the protesters at the G8 finaly get a clue?

483 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:49:21am

#472 Beagle:

Take a break. We're here.

484 Rob from the Schlob  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:49:44am

Germany's DER SPIEGEL website features the alleged and dubious "Scotland Yard warning to Israelis" on its frontpage, directly below the "Al-Quaeda claims responsibility" headline, probably to please the "AQ is a Mossad front" lunatic fringe (where did this news item originate anyway? I'd take any bet that it was either AFP or Al-Jazeera).


This is the first indication in which direction the blame train will head over here.

In my darkest moments I think that it'd be a kind of historical justice if Europe's antisemitism led to her downfall - blinded by their hatred of Jews, too many people are unable to see the real threat.

485 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:50:24am

#438

That is shockingly and depressingly true.

486 MarkX  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:50:39am

Smit

NB - I don't understand the Aldgate East/Whitechapel bomb. That area is predominantly muslim.

Premature?

487 insane_kufr  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:51:25am

God Bless the Brits
God damn the terrorists

I really believe the civilized world (the west) needs to adopt massive deportation as a response to the terror.

Followed by the demolition of mosques.

Deportees resisting should be shot.

Muslim terrorist's bodies killed or captured and executed should be disposed of in large landfills mixed with slaughtered pigs.

*velvet gloves OFF!

488 In Vino Veritas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:51:26am

These near simultaneous attack occured at what time?
EDT?

Anyone

489 miklos rosza  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:51:44am

gee, and michael moore said "there is NO terrorist threat." (as remembered by michael graham at NRO)

490 Logic  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:52:09am

Interesting discussion going on here, as might be expected. To be fair, lots of posters seem disgusted with these attacks. Many others worry about the muslim "brothers and sisters" who might have been hurt in the explosions. Most anticipate what they feel will be unjust targeting of muslims in England, while some are eager to go looking for it so they can practice some witty retort designed just for the occasion - or sue.

RoPMA!

491 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:52:22am
492 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:52:48am

#478,

taking apart smoke detectors and taking pieces of it that can be used in order to make a nucular bomb...There were several apartments involved in the raid, and in just one apartment they found 200 smoke detectors...

This sounds like nuclear weapons design for idiots, fortunately.

The radioactive isotopes in smoke detectors are americum, which would just cause long term cancers in persons exposed, if they were able to get any substantial exposure from a dirty bomb.

493 Moonbat_One  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:53:42am

#488:

About 01:50 EST

494 Fellay Timi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:53:58am

#478 AI

lets hope they were'nt dirty bombs this morning

495 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:55:06am
496 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:55:17am

Looking at the pictures of that bus...and I am somewhat familiar with that sight, unfortunately...

Given that the bus was packed, I'd say we'd be extemely lucky to have less than 10 people killed just in that incident.

Expect it to be 20 and massive numbers of injured.

497 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:55:44am

#476 foreign devil

yes, she said exactly that, verbatim.

She then added that no one was flying planes into buildings so it wasnt that bad.

See, unless people fly planes into buildings, there's nothing to see, move along now.

498 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:56:50am

#491 AI:

Red Herring, deniability for the moslem community: "See, they exploded a bomb amongst us too, they just hijacked islam, islam is peaceful, there is only a few of them, blah...blah...blah..."

right as right.

Besides, the jihadis believe it's okay to kill fellow believers in their jihad against infidels.

499 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:56:53am
The blasts killed at least two people and injured scores in what a shaken Prime Minister
500 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:57:17am
Germany's DER SPIEGEL website features the alleged and dubious "Scotland Yard warning to Israelis" on its frontpage, directly below the "Al-Quaeda claims responsibility" headline, probably to please the "AQ is a Mossad front" lunatic fringe (where did this news item originate anyway? I'd take any bet that it was either AFP or Al-Jazeera).

Well it's only really dubious to Muslims, leftists and other anti-semites. Islamic terrorists' favourite targets are Jews, therefore it stands to reason that the Israeli embassy would be warned by the police.

501 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:57:20am

First attack was at 0350h EST

502 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:57:29am
said was a series of "barbaric" terrorist attacks.
503 ShiksaGrrrl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:58:37am

Now saying 10 up to 160 dead...seems they dont really have an accurate figure yet

504 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:59:56am

Aldgate East station is very busy with City workers in the morning, from what I know. So it makes sense, tactically, to hit there.

There are reports of at least one shahid being employed.

505 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:00:37am

#482

Most importantly: will PM Blair go back to his first clue? And will other G8 leaders (other than Bush and Blair) understand the gravity of the moment?

Blair's spent months with this "help Africa" litany, but first things first: the Crusade agaist these barbarous villains must be fought even more strongly.

506 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:01:15am

To paraphrase:

"Today, we are all Londoners"

Just to pick up on a suggestion that's already been made by several posters here, I agree that it'd be appropriate for LGF to fly a Union Jack today.

The British are not Spaniards.

I think the UK will unite in its rejection of terrorist scum.

Save for the lunatic fringe, who'll expose themselves for the traitorous tools they are.

507 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:01:33am

FOX confirming two buses, one at Russell Square, and one at Tavistock Square were hit.

508 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:01:53am
509 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:02:24am

OK, everybody, take a look at this map.

The bombs started to go off at 8:50am London Time.

The first was at Liverpool St - Top left of the map.

Then Aldgate East - Middle of the map.

If you look hard on this map, you will see a Star of David just under the CH of "Whitechapel" that used to be a synagogue. It is now the location of
this.

It wouldn't surprise me if the bombers left the east london mosque after morning prayers & got on the undergound from there.

510 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:02:29am

Good morning Dead Threaders!

I was so involved in work this morning that I had no idea anything had happened in London until I called a business contact in England who asked me whether I had heard what happened in London. So I said, "yes, you got the Olympics!" Then he gave me the bad news...

I assume this is the work of the al-Qaeda branch of the Religion of Peace. Maybe the West will finally stop coddling them? Who will be next?

511 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:02:33am

al Aribiya (sp?) says an al qaeda cell claims responsibility. 7 bombs. 90 casualties.

Our friends at the RoP.

512 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:02:51am

MAP

513 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:02:53am

#482 alibey

No they won't get a clue.

They'll just keep tying up law enforcement resources for their own self-aggrandizing, fucking wacko assholes.

You know, lots of cops from around the country were flown into Gleneagles to deal with these wackos. Evidently, they had better things to do.

Reminds me of the Seattle wackos back in 1999, tying up police, just around the time the would-be millenium bomber was trying to pass through that area.

514 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:03:20am

#508 AI:

I believe the British have more backbone than that.

They will understand all the more clearly who the enemy is.

515 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:03:32am

BBCWorld News having NO PROBLEM using the "t" word now! "Central London was today rocked by a series of "terrorists" bombs!" About bloody time!

516 mpax  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:04:25am

More from mthe Democratic Underground:
Democratic Underground:

so much for Rove indictment...bush crime family strikes again

how convenient for shrub and company

I am more of a believer that MIHOP is true now

Picked from the comments on Tim Blair
[Link: timblair.net...]

517 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:04:33am

The proper strategic/"forest from the trees" response, of course, would be for Blair to send 100,000 more troops, tommorow, to Iraq, to crack alot of heads.

518 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:05:37am

The consensus among major MSM websites seems to be that the number of killed is 2. The number of casualties is reported to be over 200.

519 Necklace of Shoes  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:05:44am

BASTARDS!

520 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:06:08am

UPTIGHT (London lizardoid) checking in.

Hey - let's not carried away with our assumptions...I mean, it might not have been the ROP

it could have been the work of "militant" Buddhists.

or perhaps it was the French IOC...

521 arminius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:06:35am

Yes, but you guys aren't focusing on what's REALLY IMPORTANT. What I really want to know is: were any Korans mishandled during the attacks?*

Also: are any cute blond women missing from the attacks? Any bug-eyed fiancees running away? Any sharks involved? Were panties on anyone's head? Was Scientology related in some way?

These are the things we REALLY NEED TO KNOW. Get those reporters on it right away!

*Now that I think about it, "attacks" is such a strong, inflammatory word. Let's use "incident" or "tragedy."

522 Bostonian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:06:39am

Umm, Charles?
Time for a new thread, yeah?

523 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:06:47am

#515:

BBCWorld News having NO PROBLEM using the "t" word now! "Central London was today rocked by a series of "terrorists" bombs!" About bloody time!

Too close for comfort.

They had no problem calling the Madrid attack "terrorist", either.

524 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:07:54am

521

UNREST

525 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:08:35am

Charles is on the west coast, where it is just after 5am. He will be up in a couple hours.

526 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:08:44am

Joint statement from the G8 on now.

527 mpax  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:09:00am

Anjyone else hear that a suicide bomber was shot dead by the police at Canary Wharf?
How many London Police carry guns?

528 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:09:22am
#477 scaramouche 7/7/2005 04:47AM PDT

Sky News says terror group linked to A-Q has claimed credit for the attack.

They're all linked to AQ. Linked by the 2-ply.

529 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:09:24am

There will be scores of killed today.

Just that bus will be ten to 20 killed.

They're keeping numbers under wraps until they establish them with more certainty.

530 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:09:45am
531 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:10:27am

W looking resolute standing behind and to Tony Blair's right.

532 Rob from the Schlob  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:10:53am
Also, when they are going to say it is all because of the Israeli/Balestinian problem...

I have this feeling that it is coming sooner then we want to hear it...Though I think we know it is coming, just a matter of time...

As I tried to point out in #484, the ground for that is already prepared with the "Scotland Yard warning to Israelis" nonsense.

One thing the Islamofascists really know is how to push the right buttons on the leftists.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this particular news item was planted deliberately by an Islamist mole.

533 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:11:00am

Uptight and arminius:

Look here...it might have been militant Fenian chefs upset over Chirac's slanging Brit cuisine (not having tasted their broiled oak nuts and deer brain on a bed of pine boughs with a soucon of elderberry wine) and were driven to embarass Blair in front of the G8.

534 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:11:20am

#527 mpax, maybe the policeman was carrying an illegal piece?

535 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:11:28am

Overhead a conversation between two city gentlemen as I was walking to work. One was saying to the other;

"The thing about Islam, is that it poisons their whole life, their whole culture..."

There are a few of us who get it.

===

Later I picked up a drink in a cafe - the receipt said "Your server today is Mohammad"

How ironic I thought.

536 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:12:13am

Briton's ... RISE UP!

537 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:12:47am

#527,

Interesting report.

How many London Police carry guns?

Increasingly greater numbers, from what I understand.

538 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:13:11am

#535 Smit:

There are a few of us who get it.

I'll pray that this may be about to change.

Otherwise, future looks bleak.

539 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:13:35am
540 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:14:38am

Prayers and sympathy to the victims; wisdom, courage and cunning to our military and police; confusion and defeat to our enemies.

ABC news just reported an Arab language website today called this a "blessed military victory against the Zionist crusader government." BASTARDS!

I'll feel a bit more secure when today's rush hour in NYC and DC are safely over.

541 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:14:43am

#534 Roger - The metropolitan police have armed sections. - They're out in force today.

Some parts of Canary Wharf have been evacuated.

542 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:15:00am

#535 Smit,

I hope you didn't tip the sorry bastard!

543 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:15:13am

Cell phone video on FOX from SkyNews moments ago. Does this mean the cell network is back up?

544 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:15:22am
545 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:15:46am

#534 Roger

I think that a bobby caught with an illegal gun would end straight up in the slammer.

The cops guarding the Isreal embassy and airports carry a semi-auto handgun and one MP-5 each tho.

546 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:16:18am

#538 Golden Jerusalem - I have no doubt that within 24 hours the BBC will be broadcasting 'debates' where the blame is put on British support for the war in Iraq.

547 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:16:31am

You wonder if a Chirac or a Schroeder walking around London has a different point of view in regards to the war on terror?

548 red satellite  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:16:44am

Remind me to check the NY Times to see if this was an "insurgent" attack.

549 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:16:53am

Drudge report seems to confirm the Scotland Yard warning to the Israeli Embassy before the attacks occurred, prompting Netanyahu to not leave his hotel.

The LLLeft will view this as a conspiracy, however, saner heads will see it as common sense.

If the brits had a warning of an impending "attack" or something even vaguer (i.e, wait to see whats about to happen, infidels!), it would make sense to me that the Israeli embassy would be a prime anticipated target.

There is nothing anyone could have done at that point.

550 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:17:08am

Nice to see the "concern" the UK Muslim Public Affairs Commitee are showing in the wake of these bombs.

Points To Note After Bomb Attack

It seems bombs have gone off throughout London . Muslims across Britain are hoping and praying the attacks are not from any Muslim group. Muslims are urged to be cautious in case of a backlash, by angry members of the public who may attack Muslims.

If any member of the Muslim public know the old Al-Mahajaroun group or any other extreme group please contact them and ask them not to make any extreme comments that will cause further attacks on Muslim women and children throughout the UK.

Uuse the MPACUK Chat Room (click on button ‘top right’) to discuss any counter measures and actions to be coordinated between activists across the UK .

MPACUK and other groups will be putting press releases out and be contacting media outlets to put the Muslim case forward.

Future Planning: If you have any influence with the local Mosque or student group, urge them to let MPACUK come and train them on how to deal with the situation in the future so they are capable of reacting to all future news.

Wait until Muslim groups give you the lead on what to do...

Islamist Terrorism won't end until Muslims, their clerics and representatives decide to stop blaming the West and do something about it.

Don't hold your breath:

"we must not allow the american example to happen here. The question of why must not be drowned out. Without doubt if the UK hadn't killed 100,000 iraqis and 15,000 afghanis this would not have happened. The blair government has placed us all at risk, and not londerners are dead as a result. We have to make sure the WHY is not drowned out"

An MPACUK member comments on the London bombs

551 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:17:12am

I know I shouldn't say it... But maybe now some Europeans will understand the Israelis? And if they don't, well they'll get what they deserve!

552 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:17:47am

#539 AI

Sadly, while I share that hope, I'm rather pessimistic. There's just no two about it, this will all be blamed on Blair.

And unfortunately, he's not the type to call draw the right conclusions and he certainly won't blame islam. His damn wife actually saw to it that a 14 year old girl could wear one of those full body viel things to schoo.

553 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:18:02am

From DU:

Blaming Blair for the attacks.

Flood the world with "peace".

I don't quite agree with killing them (islamists)all but throwing them the fuck out...

I have a good suggestion of what is necessary to bring peace to the world.

Fucking scum on all sides.

The Left take:
The fact that they can infiltrate and attack at will should give us pause. As I see it we have two choices in this business. We can try to find a peaceful solution to our "problems" or we can kill them all...and I mean all. Anything in the middle will just serve to continue the violence and perpetuate the "war", which maybe just what a lot of our "leaders" want. Certainly a large part of the industrial-political complex reaps huge rewards from these actions. My suggestion is to turn the other cheek, end all combat operations world wide and start to do what ever is necessary to bring peace to the world. Instead of flooding the world with bombs I suggest we flood the world with food. Peace, by whatever means necessary.

554 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:18:03am
555 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:18:41am

What can we do to make these fuckers understand they're fighting a losing game?...

Time to bomb the evil Borg cube at Mecca. Radiation could make it a no-go-zone for a few hundred years.

It's a funny world...

A couple of days ago, we celebrated an anniversary of a declaration of independence from Great Britain.

Today, we stand unified WITH them.

Hang tight, my British cousins.

SOTG

556 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:18:42am

#542 Nam Grunt - Heh, no I only popped in for a coke - I asked him what was happening & said "not to worry, it was only a power surge", he looked panic stricken tho'.

557 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:20:25am

#550 uptight

We have to make sure the WHY is not drowned out"

The WHY, IMO, should be drowned out by the sound of mass deportations. BUH-BYE MUSLIMS! We have been patient with you for long enough. Back to the stinking rat-hole desert from which you slithered!

558 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:20:26am

#546 Smit

24h?!

They were already discussing exactly that on the Daily Politics on BBC within an hour or so of the attacks.

559 In Vino Veritas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:20:49am

The line between friend and foe is becoming very clear.
More and more binary. Everyone, and I mean everyone, must decide which side they want to aid and abet.

560 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:20:50am

AI -

"...That means the JIHADISTS were aiming for EMS personnel..."

wasn't there some report last summer about terrorist plans to hit not only initial targets but to attack first responders too?

Sick note - the local radio stations here are nearly ignoring this. they are talking about weather and contests. IDIOTS.


AI - I bet a person like Charles doesn't get 8 hours of sleep anyway. :) Someday, we should all go out to CA and throw that man a party.

Now, back to reality.

I am going to go buy a shop on the way home that sells British things. It's all British stuff..flags,etc. and I am going to put a flag on my truck. The people there who DO get it, should know that the people here who get it, are with them as they were with us. We MUST STICK TOGETHER, and WE MUST ACT!

561 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:22:00am

BBC reporting 150 injured. Main line trains are working.

562 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:23:16am

#550 - uptight -

If any member of the Muslim public know the old Al-Mahajaroun group or any other extreme group please contact them and ask them not to make any extreme comments that will cause further attacks on Muslim women and children throughout the UK.


sounds like damage control and a way to get away with it.

Kill them all. I'm sick of it, and I'm tired of living in a world WITHOUT PEACE.

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT.

563 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:23:57am

DW reporting a group (friends of al-Qaeda by Spiegel magazine) has spotted a claim from a group linked to al-Qaeda.

564 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:24:40am

Suicide Bomber confirmed...

565 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:24:47am

pimf - "attacks ...on children"

No, that's YOU, FILTHY MUSLIM. We don't kill target the children you sick ...rrrgh they are gonna mke me curse...rrrgh.

>:(

566 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:24:57am

#558 rednaxela - They have no shame. They're warped. Already it's our own fault.

These self hating LLL ### I have no words, they need to go.

Latest from the metropolitan police.

1) Russell Square and King’s Cross underground
2) Moorgate, Aldgate, and Liverpool Street underground
3) Edgware Road underground
4) Tavistock Square, where there has been a confirmed explosion on a bus.

london police

567 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:26:06am

Remember the embassy siege. The police were called off and mi6 and the sas solved the problem by killing all involved.

It would give me great relief to hear Blair say that this matter has been handed over to mi6 and the sas. That all parties involved are enemy combatatants, regardless on nationality, and subject to the effects of that statement.

Kill them and show their faces on the BBC.

This is just beginning, this will spread, and a suitable solution should be agreed apon.

568 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:26:24am
569 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:28:23am

#562 Owl

Terrorist bombers are a symptom, the cause is Islam and I damn well hope a few more people will start waking up to this reality.

570 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:29:41am

#550 uptight

Another shinning example of muslim's attempting to deflect the blame of their failed fantasy ideology.

fuk'em.

571 In Vino Veritas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:29:59am

European markets taking big hit. NYSE, NASDAQ to open sharply lower. But:

Bush: "We shall prevail".

Blair: "We shall prevail".

For those so inclined look for sharp rebound in
NYSE and an opportunity. For some of us that is a way to counter attack. If I was a young man I'd have been back in the military after 9/11.

572 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:30:27am

Give it a week or less and the world will return to appeasing these murdering muslim bastards, except me, I will never take my eye of the ball, I don't trust ANY of them! *spit* and feh!

573 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:30:48am

568

This needs to be equated with the Blitz and NAZI bombing on london.

Londoners responded accoprdingly then and will now.

These little fuckers are awakening a giant.

These fucks aren't as smart as Yamamoto was, they don't know what they are in for.

574 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:31:12am

The alleged Al Qaida claim of responsibility:

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:31:19am
Please, let's not jump to conclusions.

Yeah exactly. All you idiots that are joking about Muslims doing this or saying the media will blame Jews - Grow up.

A group of Qaeda-related terrorists did this.

I have plenty of Muslim friends and myself or anyone who is also in London are not going to turn around and blame them.

Because we aren't stupid like most of the cu*ts that post here.

And for the final time I have nothing to do with the Neturei Karta I think they are bunch of nutters like most heraidim.

576 Rune  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:31:36am

Al Quaeda is just a front group. The enemy is Islamism.

577 Self Hating Muslim  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:31:39am

UK Indymedia on London bombings - "It was definitely the Government "

The loonies get loonier and loonier...

578 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:32:00am

My prayers are with the citizens of London who have suffered at the hands of the monsters who carried out these attacks.

I am truly sick to my stomach.

579 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:33:03am

#569 red'

Agreed. And it is not worth ONE MORE SINGLE LIFE, for us to keep calling the enemy " terrorists" or " insurgents" or even " ideology of evil" or whatever Bush called it. Call it what it is. Islam.

it is a disease the world cannot live with.

580 True German Ally  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:33:08am

Spiegel Online reports that "Al Qaeda Europe" has assumed responsibility on a website called Forum Al Qala'a.

581 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:33:39am

#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace, your friends are my enemy. And when you call me a **** don't use a wimpy *.

582 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:03am

Funny that BBC calls this an attack by terrorists - rather than "militants", "gunmen", "insurgents" or the usual other polite euphamisms the BBC normally uses to avoid offending these genocidal maniacs.

Perhaps the poloitics of right and wrong are clearer when it is London attacked - rather than innocent Israelis & Iraqis.

583 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:14am

Do me a favor...use the following link to let Canada's CBC which is doing it's usual "we can't place blame yet" dance, know exactly how stupid Canada has been in letting in so many people from Islamic countries enter and feed off our country, people who'll do what is happening in London today:

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

584 Model4  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:21am

Oh the sweets will be flowing at Finsbury mosque today! Lululululululu!

While the BBC finds terror without scare quotes! Come on Auntie, was this not "legitimate resistance?" "Opposition?" And what of the "political wing" of the group that did this? I take it the Beeb did take the time to confirm that no Jews or Americans were among the victims to discover true terrorism.

Heh, Just saw the "joint statement" of the G8 leaders delivered by Blair. "We are united in our resolve to defeat terrorism." Said while Chirac was standing right by him. Perhaps he's offered to train 1,000 British troops. If they leave the country for training elsewhere.

585 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:31am

#575 - I say you sound pretty stupid.

586 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:46am

Red Ken just made a statement:

"This was not an attack against the rich and powerful of the world, this was an attack against ordinary people, black and white, christians and muslims alike."

Fucking idiot, as always he can't resist making a suggestive comment, i.e. this wouldn't be so bad if politicians had been targeted.

587 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:54am

#575 Fuck you, punk.

588 USMC RECON  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:55am

Once again my blood boils.

The animals of islam have struck.

My prayers go to all in GB involved.

589 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:35:18am

#575 Fuckhead-4-Dhimmitude:

A group of Qaeda-related terrorists did this.

Oh hang on, so they're not muslims, then?

590 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:35:20am
591 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:35:59am

Are we ready to KILL THESE PEOPLE YET?

592 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:36:01am
593 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:36:01am

hello my friends...

we in the West have come to a point of reflection...we live in a Pollyanna mindset where we ask ourselves, "why do they hate us? We're so good!" The fact remains that islamists DO hate us, and ALL that PRACTICE their theopolitical "religion" always will...ALWAYS! We have to change our mindset. The definition of peace is not neccessarily the absence of conflict. We need to get over that! There will always be conflict as long as there is islum. Our "Peace" is to first contain this cancer...cordon them off and let them wreak havoc in their own cesspool till they have destroyed each other, and I guaranty they will...they can't help themselves...they know nothing but destruction! That will be our "PEACE".

594 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:37:07am

Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

A group of Qaeda-related terrorists did this.

It was Muslims, Muslims did it.

595 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:37:40am

#564 LSD

Suicide Bomber confirmed...

Details?

Prayers for our brothers and sisters across the pond. If this is a suicide bombing, may the responsible scum be screaming in hellfire, and may his friends soon join him.

{The British}

596 jas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:38:11am

#590 AI

It will probably scream louder until everyone comments on the the stench of its proverbial fart.

597 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:38:47am

My thoughts and prayers for the British People.

My condolences to all the Westerners, whose Countries are daily invaded by a larger and larger mob of muslims who want to destroy us.

Hang the terrorists at Gitmo.

Throw out the muslims.

Fill the buses and the subways of Michael Moores ("There is no terrorist threat") and Durbins, and make them run until some islamofascist explodes them.

Remember Folks, we ride buses and subways, the politicians don't.

598 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:38:54am

#595 Talking Head on Fox said it.

599 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:00am

# 551 Pitiricus

I'm not sure most Americans understand the Israelis. After 9/11 I thought they would. That lasted about two days.

# 560 owl

wasn't there some report last summer about terrorist plans to hit not only initial targets but to attack first responders too?

That has happened here many times...

600 john jay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:15am

British embassies in the US

This is terrible news.

601 Asylum Aleikum  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:29am

I wish to offer my most sincere condolences and sympathy to the victims of terrorist bombings in London and their families. Quranimals have no place in a civilized society.

DEPORT QURANIMALS NOW!

602 Fellay Timi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:42am

#575

You calling me a **** dude ?

603 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:49am

#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

I was wondering how long it might take for a jerk like yourself to come along and shift the attention to us evil LGF posters.

If you have all these mulism friends, you might want to go and tell them that they are associating themselves with a death cult, instead of trolling around here.

604 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:39:57am
605 kstagger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:40:04am

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival".
Winston Churchill

606 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:40:19am

AI, of course you are right.

I know I'm not British, and I'm not over there, but I feel just like I did on 9-11. The numbers don't matter. What matters is that people have been killed.Is it every day that people are killed somewhere in the world in the name of, and for the sake of teh disease of islam? Innocent people who are guilty of no crime, accept that of standing in opposition to the cult of death.

I am glad I have LGF. A virtual shoulder to cry on. A virtual hand to hold. A virtual resistance to the evil that is islam. God help us and be with the Brits. No one deserves this. No one.

No one but muslim killers.


ROPMA

607 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:41:24am

Neturei Karta

you are a traitor to your own people...

608 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:41:41am

#591, #593

Yes, so very true.

I heard that also the Swedish media are spinning over the israelis-knew theory for those of you who can read it. Unbelievable, even when evil is happening in front of your eyes.


Seems like a suicide bomber entered the bus with people fleeing the subways.

609 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:42:16am

An awful morning. The only news I heard on the way in was NPR which, predictably was speculating on the bombings as being the IRA or maybe anarchists. Anybody believe that?

610 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:42:23am

Just like we didn't blame the Irish when the IRA bombed us we arent gonna turn around and blame Muslims for this atrocity we will blame the Al-Qaeda related group who did this.

611 kstagger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:42:23am

and one more

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Winston Churchill

612 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:42:25am

575 Long stupid nic


This was done in allah's name. Just like madrid, 9/11, the uss cole, embassy bombings, khobar, and to many others to list.


Fuck off.

I will cut off my pinki if this turns out to be IRA, eta, or any other group then MUSLIM terrorists.

613 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:42:59am

575

Well, I hope you muslims will soon see what a crow of hooligans can do.

Have the same nice day that People had on the Buses and the Subway, you and your family.

614 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:43:27am
There have also been reports of Al-Qaida warning Denmark and Italy of the same fate as London if they do not cease their activities in Iraq and Afganistan.

I suppose my former home of Denmark may be next.

I guess this is globalization, muslim-style.

615 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:43:29am

Fast moving thread, gotta type fast...

Anyone know aything about AMY TEIBEL, the AP writer that filed the report about Netanyahu getting the tip from Scotland Yard? Is she a moonbat plant ready to plant the seeds that this was the work of the joos, or is it possible that she's just a usefull idiot?

616 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:43:33am

F*cking hell.

Thank G*d I overslept again and didn't head to NatWest to sort out my overdraft this morning before work. It's on Tavistock Sq where the suspected suicide bombing took out a bus. Whether I would have got there from Russell Sq tube is another question. It doesn't bear thinking about. Thankfully, AFAIK, all of my co-workers managed to avoid it.

Only just got home after walking for 2 hours through the rain. Thanks to all the LGFers for their messages of solidarity and support for us Londoners. And a big thank you to all the police and emergency workers who have been doing a sterling job today - three different coppers have said hello to me today as I passed them - we often don't give them the credit they're due.

I think I'm going to head up to my local pub - sitting here watching the reports on my own is doing my head in. And maybe I'll be able to pass on some LGF / JihadWatch wisdom to people who wouldn't normally listen. Anyone who blames Blair or Bush for this will be getting an earful.

A dark day indeed. I can't really describe whether I'm feeling shock, disgust or just plain anger.

BTW The Aldgate bomb would have been aimed at workers taking the tube into the City.

617 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:43:52am

STOP THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS NOW, IT WILL KIL US.

INVADERS OUT OF THE WEST !

618 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:44:11am

Just like we didnt blame the Irish when the IRA used to bomb us we arent gonna blame Muslims for this atrocity we are gonna blame Al-Qaeda.

619 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:44:16am

606 {OWL}

I am glad I have LGF. A virtual shoulder to cry on. A virtual hand to hold.

You said what I am feeling.

Thank you, Charles, for providing a place for us to express our outrage and sadness as well as our steadfast resolve against the killers who perpetrated these attacks.

620 templar  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:44:58am

I wish to extend my condolences to the people of the UK this morning; these attacks were the work of spineless cowards and they WILL pay for it. I am sure that President Bush is doing all in his power to help Scotland Yard with the investigation.

To al-Qaeda: You are trying to break the will of the people of London, something that months of German air raid during the Blitz could not accomplish. You will fail.

Charles, I think we should fly the Union Jack today. We are all British (and unlike the French, I actually mean it)

621 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:01am

Just heard Bush...he was shaken too...peopel working to eliveate poverty, rid the world of aids, on other hand people killing innocent people, contrast couldn't be clearer...evil in their hearts...the war on terror goes on...we will not yield to these people...we will spread an ideology of hope and compassion that will overwhelm their idology of hate "

(sorry for errors)


What we need to spread is justice in the form of a muslim free world.

622 alkmyst  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:22am
#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace 7/7/2005 05:31AM PDT

And for the final time I have nothing to do with the Neturei Karta I think they are bunch of nutters like most heraidim.

Your nic says the exact opposite, otherwise you would have chosen something that does, in fact reflect something of your personality/interests.

Unless of course you're simply schizo.

STFD and STFU.

623 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:25am

610

I believe the sas killed plenty of irish in counter ops. ENDGAME.

Don't kill them all, just the right ones.

If you don't you are well and truly fucked.

624 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:35am

#610 ****:

You need to piss of you fucking asshole.

Muslims did this.

Muslims should be made to pay the price.

May vengeance be visited ten-fold upon them.

625 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:43am

610

What's this "we" shit?! you gotta mouse in your pocket or something?

626 True German Ally  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:45:54am

Terror alerts in Warsaw and Budapest. In Warsaw a government building is reported burning, in Budapest shopping malls have been evacuated.

Must be the IRA...

627 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:46:00am
#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

Lick yourself.

/you know you want to

628 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:46:30am
629 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:47:10am

Steve Emerson on MSNBC is the best analyst available on American TV right now. He explained that the names of the groups change, the ideology is jihad, and that Western intelligence gets bogged down treating these groups as separate units. Often they change their names and websites to take 'credit' but avoid blame.

630 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:47:11am

#620 Templar

Charles, I think we should fly the Union Jack today. We are all British (and unlike the French, I actually mean it)

YES!

631 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:48:06am

Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

Just like we didn't blame the Irish when the IRA bombed us we arent gonna turn around and blame Muslims for this atrocity we will blame the Al-Qaeda related group who did this.

Who is "we" dumbass? You do not speak for anyone.

632 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:48:07am

#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace,

What did you call me? If this were a make believe world like the one you seem to live in, I would wish you to say that to my face. I would tear your head off and s**t down your neck f**king traitor!

633 kstagger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:48:20am

new thread alert

634 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:48:23am

#618 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace, there ain't no WE.

635 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:48:51am

#618 You are a dumb ****.

No, not ALL muslims are responsible.

Just the muslims who tolerate the imams and clerics in the mosques who preach hate and death to the infidels(80% in America)are to blame for festering this hate.

You are a useless appeaser.

Stick your head back in the sand and shut the fuck up.

636 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:49:45am

#617 Poitiers-Lepanto

PC is killing us.

637 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:50:10am

Of all days especially today, please don't feed the trolls.

638 In Vino Veritas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:50:54am

Union Jack
[Link: www.royal.gov.uk...]

639 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:51:09am

#616 Al Charabiya - you work near me? I'm near southampton row?

640 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:51:12am

#595 Powderfinger

The closest thing I saw this to being a suicide bomber is on SkyNews. They had a little message that said atleast one suicide bomber. But only sky said it.

Honestly this attack looks really bad. The bombings happened in closed spaces increasing the power of the explosives. Obviously we hope for the best, but from expierence, I can say things aren't looking good.

My condolences to all those affected by this.

641 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:53:48am
And for the final time I have nothing to do with the Neturei Karta I think they are bunch of nutters like most heraidim.


Odd choice for a nic, eh?

642 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:55:53am

#599

Ata tsodek :-(

I also thought so... Some did, but the bulk of liberals weree ready to acxcuse the Jews... :-(

#575

Anybody who identify him/herself with the evil cult of the Naturei Karta is an idiot, you included!

Your rabbi should be shot!

643 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:56:54am

#576:

no the enemy is Islam...

644 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:56:59am

{loppyd}
{LGF family}

UP YOURS GORDON. BEFORE YOU EVEN START YOU CAN JUST GO BUGGER OFF.

God bless the British Lizards and the British people.

645 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:57:14am

I doubt the Irish danced in the streets and passed out candy after Enniskillen or any other IRA atrocity.


I don't know about the entire Muslim world, but when Palestinians approve of suicide bombing by a large majority, the line between terrorist and Muslim gets awfully blurry.

646 Murder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:57:45am

I just flashed on the movie Brazil, where the diners stoicly go back to eating their dinner a few moments after a terrorist bomb blows up a third of the restaurant patrons. That may turn out to be the attitude of a lot of Britons. "Well, there goes the sodding subways. That bloody figures. Where's me boike?"

647 AW  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:59:19am

#575 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

And for the final time I have nothing to do with the Neturei Karta I think they are bunch of nutters like most heraidim.

You might want to consider changing your nick in that case. Just a thought.

648 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:59:35am

#610

And I blame you and your rabbis for a lot of what hapopens in Israel...

You are a disgrace... A cherem on all your ungodly sect...

649 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:06:27am

#639 Smit

Yes, at the University of London. Fortunately most of us only get in for 10am so noone in my office was directly affected.

Have you managed to contact your friends and family yet? My thoughts are with you. How about your co-workers? I hope none of them were caught up with the blast at Russell Sq.

I managed (through sheer determination) to eventually get some txts through to my friends who work in the City - thank G*d my mate walks from Fenchurch St to Moorgate rather than take the tube - he would have been in the middle of the bombings otherwise.

We must stay strong - and as I said earlier, any talk of it being our own or Bush/Blair's fault today will not be tolerated.

650 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:22:57am

Mock statement sent out by Scotland Yard:

"To all citizens of London: we have reason to believe the perpetrators of today's bombings are still at large withing the city limits. Be on the lookout for suspicious looking males of no specific race, religion or identifying appearance. It is possible the terrorists are Buddhist, Hindu, Chinese, American Indian or even IRA."

651 [Engineer]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:32:53am

#478 American Infidel

Also on FOXNEWS this morning, which was not reported before, is that a cell was broken up in Britain, where men were taking apart smoke detectors and taking pieces of it that can be used in order to make a nucular bomb.

Can't be done. However, if you took the materials from thousands, you could get enough material to set off radiation detectors which could cause a panic.

652 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:19:16am

Neturei Karta, can you hear the voices of the trees in Finsbury Park? I hear them. They're saying, "There is a Muslim hiding behind me, come and kill him!"

653 Tziporah  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:26:12am

My heart and prayers go out to our British lizards and especially everyone in the London area.

Charles, thank you for hosting this forum where we can share information and our comments.


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