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'Al-Qaida in Europe' Claims UK Atrocities

Thu, Jul 7, 2005 at 6:24:09 am PDT

Report: Islamic Group Claims London Blasts.

CAIRO, Egypt - A group calling itself “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe” posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday’s blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. The authenticity of the message could not be immediately confirmed.

The statement, which also threatened attacks in Italy and Denmark, was published on a Web site popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on their Web sites.

“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said the statement, translated by The Associated Press in Cairo. The AP was unable to access the Web site where it was posted, which was closed quickly after the reports.

The group al-Qaida in Europe claimed responsibility for the last major terror attack in Europe: a string of bombs that hit commuter trains in Madrid, Spain in March 2004, killing 191 people. Two days after that attack, a video was found in a trash can outside a Madrid mosque with a statement purported to be from the group’s spokesman, called by the nickname “Abu Dujan al Afghani.”

In the new statement, the group said “the heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west.”

“We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success.”

“We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan,” the statement went on.

Latest reports say more than 40 people have been killed.

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1 Thoughtcrime  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:24:49am

Time to fsck some people up.

2 gregopad39  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:25:25am

Hunt them down and kill them.
Criminals, vermin.

3 Hankmeister  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:25:37am

BASTARDS!

4 cronopio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:26:09am

Aaaargh! Terrible!
I lived in London for two years!
I still can't believe this...
Will Europe now finally understand? Will they expell those freaking radicals?

5 pragmatist  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:26:15am

My thoughts and prayers are with the families
of those who have suffered from yet another
terrorist atrocity.

6 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:26:31am
"We warned the British government repeated. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success."

To Islamists, the killings of innocent civilians are "military attacks".

7 monkey61  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:26:57am

Waiting for the reports of alleged harassmant on muslims...it will be a lot sooner than any denouncement of these attacks by CAIR and their ilk.

Prayers go out to those in London.

8 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:27:13am

BBC News opened its 2pm bulletin with the line "Terrorists have launched a series of explosions across London".

I guess the editorial guidelines compelling the BBC to call genocidal culties "militants", "gunmen" and "insurgents" only apply when it's Israelis, Iraqis, Americans & other foreigners being slaughtered.

9 DHIMMIPOWER  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:27:39am

London Calling

I wonder if the UK will crack and be good little dhimmis, or will they hit back?

10 Jeff R  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:27:40am

I hope we don't see a repeat of Spain now that this has happened. I hope not, but...

11 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:28:00am

European Muslims, your time is now. These people are in your communities. These people are in your mosques. You know who they are.

You are either with us or against us. You are either with them or against them.

12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:28:46am

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here and point out that Islamic terrorists tend to be the first in line to claim an attack that kills or maims infidels.

The only time they don't claim credit is when those injured or killed are Muslims. Then they either blame the Jews or claim it is Allah's punishment for collaberating with infidels.

13 cicadajoe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:29:26am

Watched C-Span (unfortunately) for a few minutes -- enough time for the Moonbat callers to blame Bush for not capturing Bin Laden. These idiots will never learn, even when the knife is at their throats.

14 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:30:10am

This was expected. Murdering scum like Al Qaeda need to be expedited straight off the planet earth. There is no room on earth for them and us.

"Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan."

These people are that stupid, that they actually believe that.

Muslims everywhere, this is what your religion has brought to this world: murder, torture, honor killings, kidnappings, bombings, rape, medievalism and mayhem.

You must be so proud of your crusade to bring mankind back to your century, the 7th.

You are scum, or else you are condoning scum, or else you will stand up against this evil. The time has come, make a decision now. If this is what you want, war until every last Muslim "freedom fighter" is dead, that is exactly what you will get.

15 Editor2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:30:15am

Anybody who believes that surrendering to these idiots will stop the violence is wrong. Look at the places that are ruled by these fascists; they're actually much more violent than this attack. This is not a law enforcement problem. Kill them all.

16 Big Al  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:30:17am

How much you wanna bet that this is all going to be spun against the Jews and Israel?

17 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:31:02am

Mecca delenda est.

18 hornet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:31:23am

Islam, demonic death cult will continue these attacks until all Western countries identify the ROP as the real enemy. Maybe the G8 could start by doing just that later today, or tomorrow. May the muslim terrorists who are responsible for this London atrosity ROT IN HELL.

19 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:31:30am

We must learn to understand why Islamic fascists and fascist leftists are so filled with rage.

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actually - no. They simply must be stopped.

20 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:34:04am

At G8, Chirac, Schroeder and Putin will merely point out that these are the consequences when you engage in "an illegal war" against Muslims.

Fuck them all.

21 deadman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:34:41am

I wish "differently civilized" [bigoted word]s would stick to giant paper-maiche puppets and lame street theater like their lefty friends.

I hope the Brits steel themselves for vengeance rather than collapsing like the Spainish.

22 Hankmeister  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:35:27am

I've had enough. If these bastards are really brave jihad warriors, why in the fuck don't they put on a damn uniform, send a calling card to the U.S. Marines and then take them on in a stand up fight?

These pieces of shit Muslims are nothing but cowards hiding behind their women's burkas while publicly spouting how they want to die for their religion. WELL TAKE ON A STANDING ARMY, YOU FUCKTARDS, AND GET SENT TO ALLAH AND YOU 72 VIRGINS!

A co-worker just told me this morning about a member of an American minority beating the hell out of a neighbors dog chained in his backyard, unhooked the poor animal from his tether and then threw the now battered dog to his pit bull who had its way with him! This is exactly the kind of cowardly action that Muslim fanatics involve themselves in when directly targetting innocent civilians.

And the pisser about what happened to this ... asshole dogbeater was he got out on a hundred dollar bail! I'm to the point of saying just hang bastards like this after they get their due process in court. ENOUGH OF THIS PC SHIT OF CODDLING EVILDOERS.

Christian mode/ on

23 AG in Houston  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:35:34am

Blame Israel!

Benjamin Netanyahu was in a London Hotel!

4000 Jews went to work early!

Scotland Yard warned the Israeli Embassy of the attacks beforehand!

It was coordinated b/t the Mossad and MI5!

24 Sean  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:35:42am
Mecca delenda est.

AMEN!

25 Eyeore  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:35:48am

Bush wil be blamed in 5...4...3...2...[url=[Link: jmpolitics.blogspot.com...][u]GO[/u][/color]
[/url]

26 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:00am

I wonder how the people of the UK will react to this? Let's hope they do not follow Spain's example.

27 deadman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:00am

Unleash the Highlanders. I want to see guys in skirts whupping ass on the guys in dresses.

28 daniel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:01am

Does anyone know what the current figure on the number of explosions is?

29 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:34am

#28
Last I heard 7.

30 SlimyBill  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:59am

That's what we get for pissing on books.

31 texnavet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:37:00am

It's always bothered me about the ebb and flow of attitudes about terrorism, both here and abroad. We lost 3,000 people on 9/11 and banded together as one, determined to fight the terrorists to the death...for a couple weeks. Then complacency seems to always set in, not helped in the least by the Michael Moorons and Moveon.org types of the world who miss no chance to blame America first or slander our troops, but even those of us who know better seem to get soft quickly.

I for one am as angry today as I was on the morning of 9/11, if not angrier. As I have family in the UK, seeing what happened on the news this morning about the attacks in London has made me angrier still.

We need to stop pussy-footing around, we need to stop ignoring the elephant in the middle of the living room. We are at WAR, for chrissakes, not only against Al Qaeda, but we are at war with an ideology...and that ideology is perpetuated by governments in terrorist states like Iran, Syria, the Palestinian territories, etc...it's time to take the gloves off. Freedom loving countries need to COWBOY UP, dammit, and lets fight this thing the way it needs to be fought. I'm SICK of this whackamole crap - it's time to get serious.

It's time to BRING IT.

Tex

32 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:37:23am

#16,

No need to bet - it's a sure thing. I've already seen some other discussion boards that are saying "This is because of US/UK support of Israel, it will stop when we stop give them aid".

BS of course - Bin Laden only throws in Jews along with everyone else. And the "capitalism/imperialism" is a red herring too - most of the hijackers during 9/11 were rather well-to-do Saudis.

Heart goes out to London. Should have been a happy time, but now this.

33 Rust Never Sleeps  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:37:25am

4 cronopio

Will Europe now finally understand? Will they expell those freaking radicals?

Will America now finally understand? Will President George "Religion of Peace" Bush expell those freaking radicals?

etc.

etc.

etc.

34 lottamia  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:37:41am

I wonder if Chirac is nervous about Paris. I doubt it. My thoughts and prayers for all those killed or injured. Perhaps now the radical Islamics in London will be rounded up and deported.

35 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:37:45am
The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan


The British government Zionist?

Can we start glassing over the moslem world now? Please?

36 deadman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:38:16am

#21 Spainish? PIMF

37 Mentat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:38:23am

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

"... a huge number of American mosques receive funding from Saudi Arabia. According to Mary Jacoby and Graham Brink of the St. Petersburg Times, “the main clearinghouse for Wahhabism in the United States is a group not known to be under investigation, the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA is subsidized by the Saudi government. An ISNA subsidiary called the North American Islamic Trust owns about 27 percent of the estimated 1200 mosques in the United States, says a report by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.”

So CAIR itself acknowledges that there are over 300 mosques in the United States funded by Wahhabis, and yet they’re still against looking into what is happening in those mosques? Yet isn’t it reasonable to suspect that the noxious ideas preached in Saudi mosques have followed all this Saudi money to America? And if so, that terrorist acts may follow?

Unless we’re paying attention to what American imams are preaching, we may never know the answer to this question until it’s too late."

38 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:38:28am

Anyone who blames it on the US or Brits is gonna get their ass handed to them today.

39 Swampthing  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:38:37am

Would you like to know what truly disgusts me?

At sites like DemocraticUnderground, they are blaming Bush for this. NOT the people who committed this atrocity.

40 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:38:38am

The Brits aren't wishy-washy cowards like Spain, they won't back down when attacked. They are of the same cloth as America.

Yes, some there will be wailing and gnashing their teeth and proclaiming that these are the consequences of aligning with "the evil Americans", but most won't take that kind of crap. These people held Hitler to a standstill will not much more than a song and a prayer, and the great will of the people.

If the world goes down to the Muslim darkness, they will be among the last to go.

41 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:02am

#31

Freedom loving countries need to COWBOY UP

HELL YEA!

42 texnavet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:20am

#30 - the only pissing on books was done by the prisoners themselves.

43 strictnein  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:20am

There is no Al-Qaeda! It's a group made up by Bushitler McChimpy so he can rape the Iraqi children of their oil.

/ LLL

44 I've had a Gutful  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:30am

Well, I'm 15miles from the heart of the blasts and all I can say is today a country will turn upon scum and hate and intolerance and death.

War is officially declared from where I live, so I see some simple, effective, howitzer-blast tactics which have to be implemented right now:

1.Close the borders - NOW Stop all muslims coming in or out of the country. Find out who the fuck they are. Blairs government is responsible for our porous borders ans tons of illegals we are virtually harboring here. Stop fucking pandering to Europe - its a poxy socialist/communist pile of dung.

2.Get our pathetic politically correct police service(used to be a force) to get out of their patrol cars and part-time stations, stop persecutuing speeding motorists and get on with what they are bleeding well paid for - stopping illegals blowing up innocent workers.

3. Every spare military personnel assist in tracking down the terrorists (sorry they are probably insurgents) and quite simply kill them, no questions asked.

4. Fundementally, tell all liberals, left-wingers, sympathisers, blow-hards and MSM clowns (especially the BBC) to respectfully FUCK OFF. Your either with us or against us.

5. Hail Bush, the Reagan of our time.

6. G8 protesters/climate change psuedo science claptrap supporters and anti-capitalism thugs and goons...Its just a big so what?

7.If your a moderate muslim with any decency, stand up now and tell us exactly what you think of these atrocities. If we can't hear you we'll take it that you are against us. Reap whats coming religion of peace.


Beyond anger

45 Eyeore  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:42am

#25: D'OH!

Go!

46 Big Al  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:39:47am

Did any of you see that prick, Red Ken? He was trying to sound all impartial and noble about how this was an attack on everyone, Muslim, Christian, Jew and Hindu. What a load of crap. How much have people like him done to weaken Western resolve and rationalize the attacks of these monsters? Unfortunate that he wasn't caught in the blasts, the bastard. It is only a matter of time now before his ilk start blaming the U.K. for having merrited these attacks because of their "Zionist policies" and Blair's affinity to the U.S. and Bush and his efforts to rid the world of this scourge. I hope this serves as a rallying cry for Europe, but judging from the muted response to the attacks in Spain, I am less than sanguine about the chances that the implications and effects of this latest Islamic attrocity will resonate with anyone in Europe in any meaningful way.

47 AG in Houston  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:40:10am

Tex

You must be a Jew to place blame of these attacks on the terrorists who perpetrated them!

Only Jews would divert the attention away from the massacre defenseless Palestinians that is about to take place in Gaza.

You are an operative of the LIkudnik government!

/moonbat

48 GreatDane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:40:14am

Sh*thead muslim terrorists.

Is this going to be another stand up fight, or just another bug hunt?

49 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:40:31am
50 Gang of One  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:40:53am

Where are the soccer hooligans when you need them?

51 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:41:18am
"We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan"

One can only hope the British are not like the Spaniards.

Continue the Crusade full steam ahead - convert to civilization, or die.
 

52 piperfromtn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:41:46am

#9 DHIMMIPOWER-
If history is any indicator as to how the British will act to this barbaric act, I think the terrorists should go and hide. They stood up to Hitler's V-2 attacks, prior to U.S. involvement in WW2 and I believe they will step up to the plate on this too...
(OT-Gen.Lord Lewis Mountbatten apologized for arriving several minutes late for a rendezvous during the invasion of Normandy saying "...I'm sorry for being late, we were busy killing Germans...")

53 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:42:20am

Do you hear that,American moonbats?Its the sound of your allies in England turning conservative.Its time for the gloves to come off and time to wage total war against these terrorist bastards.My prayers and condolences to our British allies.

54 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:43:59am

Well, I see I completely missed the 'morning dead thread'. As I suspected, everybody is far advanced in discussing the events I first learned of about 30 minutes ago. I heard the CNN Int. reports, including the leader of the Consrvative Party and Tony Blair. What I most desperately want to hear now is that flaming asshole (I forget his name) apologist M.P. - the one that came to the US and testified in Washington - say one damned thing. ANYTHING ! Come on, fat boy - trot it on out.

55 RecoveringDem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:44:23am

"...Britain is burning with fear and terror". No, they are burning with rage and determination to kick your asses.

56 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:44:48am
Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west

Umm, no.

I'm about 5 mins walk from the bus bombing, and right now people are eating a late lunch & wondering how on earth they're going to get home.

57 conservativegirl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:02am

The guys behind the terror attacks in London think that they are effective. They are not reaching thier objective. The only effect is that the cowardly are seperated from the brave.

The brave will go after them, hunt them compel them into hiding (like the oh so heroic Osama Bin Laden still hiding) and eventually kill them or humiliate them in jail forever. The cowardly will still be trying to understand why the ineffective terroist do what they do and offer them solice and understanding. Let us be clear here, this is 2005 we wil not go back to the 7th century and men, with penises for brains, will not tell us what to do.

58 Stonewall  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:08am

Its about time to redneck up on em.

59 kayawanee  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:20am

#25 Eyeore

Bush wil be blamed in 5...4...3...2...[url=[Link: jmpo...] litics.blogspot.com/2005/07/terrorists-h it-london-any-surprise.html][color=blue][u]GO[/u][ /color]

Preview is your friend!

60 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:20am

NOTE: in madrid and london they were both bombed in their subways

NYC should be wary of this and other metro areas with subways

61 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:31am

54 Mike C, you mean Galloway (spit)
Fox News reports a web post that the Egyptian envoy to Iraq has been kiled. Busy day for the ROP.

62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:45:39am

#46 Big Al

I have no doubt that by this time tomorrow, Red Ken will be at the forefront of liberal "peace-at-any-price" politicians trying to pull a Madrid. They'll push for Britain to abandon the WoT, in the hopes that it'll immunize them from terrorism.

And all the while, those responsible for this attack (minus a suicide bomber) will simply laugh and high-five each other over once again successfully manipulating the infidels.

63 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:46:10am

#44
Let's hope all Brit's think like you.

64 RightLogic  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:46:59am

Muslims - fuck them, fuck them all!

65 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:47:17am

BTW - the bus bomb went off outside the central office of Britain's Jewish community, the Board of Deputies.

66 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:47:51am

Are you referring to Red Ken Livingstone? If you are, then this is what he apparently said today:

"I want to say one thing: This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners," Livingstone told reporters.

"That isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith, it's mass murder," Livingstone said. "We know what the objective is. They seek to divide London."

67 Linsider  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:48:23am

Europe better wake up fast along with the rest of the dhimmis over here. We'd better step up the Plutonium 238 production real fast as I believe we (especially Israel)are running out of time.

68 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:48:34am

#44 I've had a Gutful

War is officially declared from where I live


Welcome to the War, Brother. I've got your flank.

69 xanadu1015  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:49:02am

About damn time "moderate" muslims start standing up to the assholes. Hello! They are attacking us in the name of your religion of "peace"! When are they going to have the balls to start turning in these fuckers.


/so angry I could punch a wall

70 Alan K  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:49:09am

LGF

Nosemonkey is live blogging from london, link below, lots of rumour going around as to what is happening at moment

[Link: europhobia.blogspot.com...]

71 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:49:11am

#44 Gutful

If your a moderate muslim with any decency, stand up now and tell us exactly what you think of these atrocities. If we can't hear you we'll take it that you are against us. Reap whats coming religion of peace.

Well said.

It's time to unleash the hounds of hell.

72 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:49:26am

DU already on the case: Jews involved in this attack and 9/11
One poster out of the whole bunch is disgusted, he/she roundly condemned.

73 jcm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:49:47am

Our prayers are with Londoners today.

Continental Europe won't change we'll hear tough talk for a couple of hours. The Brits are more like us, stiff upper lip and task a few SAS squads to do some huntin'.

The moonbats will come out with "it's GWB fault, if we weren't so mean they wouldn't do this," line of garbage.

I really think we need uncut full video of 9/11, Madrid, London, the bomb victims in Iraq and Israel. Shove a picture of a dismembered child in a moonbats face and ask. Islamofasicts intended to blown this child to bits, do you still want to negotiate with them?

74 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:50:24am

Something doesnt feel right about this. Theres something wrong in the big picture that I cant put my finger on.

I cant figure out if its seeming like an opening volley or if it doesnt seem like an Islamic action.

Something is wrong with this picture.

75 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:50:24am
Zionist crusader government of Britain

That warms my heart.


#65 uptight - Yeah, did cross my mind. But I think it was more likely that it was timed to get people who were just evacuated from the station.

Edgware Rd is an Arab area. Aldgate East is a Benagli (Muslim) area. I'm interested to know if the perps are home grown jihadis.

It wouldn't surprise me.

76 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:50:40am
77 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:50:50am

# 39 Swampthing

Well, no shit, Sherlock.

# 40 rgbdJ

More like we're cut from the same cloth as them. But I agree. There are still a bunch of people alive there in London who survived The Blitz. You think this is going to impress them ? Hardly.

78 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:51:41am
79 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:51:56am

The killing of the Egyptian envoy to Iraq was very likely and Egyptian government-sactioned assassination. The details about his kidnapping made no sense otherwise.

80 jesusland joe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:52:07am

#44

What you said!

We have the same problem here in the US.

81 Nate  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:52:32am

I've got the full translation at my site. Demented doesn't even begin to describe it.

82 moonsbreath  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:52:59am

I sincerely hope that the British people have enough common sense to understand that this has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq/Afghanistan, Americans or Bush. However, I'm afraid that their attitude is like most of Europe and they won't "get it" until it is too late.

Anyhow, my prayers go out to all the British who were affected by this atrocity.

83 texnavet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:53:00am

Seet babbling Jaybus, the Kos kidz have gone off the deep end...this from some moonbat extraordinaire calling himself Brian Nowhere:

I know I'll be villified here for saying this, and I'll preempt the reality based crowd by saying of course I have absolutely no proof whatsoever.

I know Al Qaida has taken responsibility.

That does not mean I cannot envision a scenario where US Agents are complicit in aiding a real attack.

It's just real strange how these things always seem to help the Bush Administration which this event will invariably do.

It's not like middle eastern folks can just get easy access to Londons Tube system without some assistance I would think.

So there you have it - the US is behind the London attacks. George W. Bush sent the CIA into London to bomb them. And tinfoil suppliers in blue states across the US are ramping up for what certainly will be an overwhelming demand for beanies.

Un-bull-EEVE-able.

Tex

84 AngryDumbo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:53:38am

No new feelings today. Nothing left to be said that hasn't been said before.

However, I feel the need to express my unending gratitude and appreciation to those brave men and women who keep us safe.


Serious times call for serious people. A huge thank you to those serious people who keep us safe everyday.

85 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:53:50am

#72 beagle:

They're apparently latching on to reports that somehow the Israeli embassy was either tipped off or knew of attacks beforehand. Here's more on that story.

86 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:55:16am
87 moonsbreath  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:55:42am

#74 JustDanny

Al-IRA?

88 winsmom  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:56:10am

My heart hurts for all those affected by this barbarism - but I fear it will keep happening until good people have had enough and take action. How do we wake up the world?

The enemy definitely isn't at the gate anymore - they're inside.

89 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:56:36am

As much as I hate to say this, this attack only underpins the notion that our tactics in the middle east has failed. The world is not safer because of our military presence in the middle east. These attacks will continue for the forseable future and nothing our military is doing can stop it. Its time for the President and PM Blair to come to the realisation that its time to save American and British lives and return our troops to their homes.


THEN NUKE THE FREAKIN AREA...MAKE IT A PARKING LOT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS! WIPE THE EARTH CLEAN OF THESE COWARDS!

90 grendelkhan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:56:44am

I can't help but wonder how closely this is related to the attack on Spain last year. The Spanish, after all, pulled out their troops because of the election swung by the attacks. The British would seem a logical target, as they provide the majority of non-US, non-Iraqi forces in Iraq.

But the election in Britain is just behind us; this sort of attack won't influence the composition of the British government. Bah. I shouldn't be trying to make sense of this.

An aside: does anyone have any damned clue what "He who warns is excused" means?

91 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:57:02am

Get ready for the LLLs and the Islamonazis to start blaming Israel.

3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

92 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:57:46am

This almost begs the question "Where is that turd Galloway?" in all of this. Probably broke his hand patting himself on the back for finding a way to tie this in with Haliburton, a shadowy Zionist cabal and the Illuminati.

93 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:57:48am

# 61 Jim in VA

Oh, yeah - that's the asshat's name. Thanks (?) for reminding me.

# 72 Beagle

Well, you're a braver man than I. Although I do from time to time dumpster-dive in DU and Kos, moments like these I can't quite summon the intestinal fortitude.

94 gerschor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:57:49am

BBC is calling this a terrorist attack, as opposed to those in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem which are caused by "militants" or "activists". When the shoe is on the other foot...

95 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:58:05am

Angry, disgusted, a red cloud in my brain. All over again.

96 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:58:25am

Messrs. Blair and Straw,

Hows that plan to sell the jews down the river to appease the arab world working out for you?

97 sharona  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:58:27am

tex:

We need to stop pussy-footing around, we need to stop ignoring the elephant in the middle of the living room. We are at WAR, for chrissakes, not only against Al Qaeda, but we are at war with an ideology...and that ideology is perpetuated by governments in terrorist states like Iran, Syria, the Palestinian territories, etc...it's time to take the gloves off. Freedom loving countries need to COWBOY UP, dammit, and lets fight this thing the way it needs to be fought. I'm SICK of this whackamole crap - it's time to get serious.

Exactly. WEll said.

I'm sure I;m safe in saying that our thoughts and prayers are with Colt, John in London, and all of the other LGF Britons. As before, the unshakable British character is always most evident during times of crisis. We are with you all today!

98 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:58:57am

#83 texnavet

I haven't been over to Kos yet. Are they seeing the ghostly hand of Karl Rove in this? Or is it still all being blamed on Bush's "illegal war for oil" or (as the DUmmies like to assert) a planned attack to take attention off Bush's "failures"?

99 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:58:59am
Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,”

said MoveOn.org officials.

100 condor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:10am

Wait,
Steve Spielberg is coming out with a movie showing us the futility of hunting down terrorists, and how we should all just be friends, because the terrorists are humans, too, and have feelings. . .

So can't we all just get along and sing Kumbaya together?

101 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:14am

#72 Beagle

It's amazing the article they posted even says that it was SCOTLAND YARD that warned Israe. Not the other way around, yet the zionists conspiracy theorists are popping out of the wood works.

102 jesusland joe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:28am

Deport!Deport!Deport!

103 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:31am

I keep hearing in my mind that ass M. Moore saying "There is no terrorist threat".

104 snopes  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:33am

JustDanny,

I don't know why but I get the same feeling, but it is probably totally offbase.

105 steve  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:38am

Time to shutdown every mosque in London and ship all of them back to their place of origin.

106 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:41am

Militants are being tortured in Gitmo as we speak.

107 EA  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:59:58am

Here are the different types of "tube carriages" that were in use on the London Underground system as of 2003.

Stock type -- Maximum capacity -- Operational lines
C69 Stock -- 212 -- Circle, Hammersmith & City
C77 Stock -- 212 -- Circle, Hammersmith & City
C60 Stock -- 185 -- Metropolitan, East London
A62 Stock -- 185 -- Metropolitan, East London
D Stock -- 232 -- District
1967 Tube Stock -- 192 -- Victoria
1972 Mk 1 Tube Stock -- 194 -- Bakerloo
1972 Mk II Tube Stock -- 194 -- Bakerloo
1973 Tube Stock -- 227 -- Piccadilly
1992 Tube Stock -- 210 -- Central, Waterloo & City
1995 Tube Stock -- 159 -- Northern
1996 Tube Stock -- 180 -- Jubilee


Assuming that there were 6 bombs underground and every carriage was overfull at rush hour - say 10% in addition to the specified capacity (London's tube has a notorious reputation for overpacking - at least among those that ride it regularly and perhaps the carriages had been outfitted to carry more than the specified capacity).

Worst case calculation could be on the order of 250 people per carriage where bomb was detonated; 6 x 250 = 1500, add perhaps another 100 for the bus and add an additional 10% for people killed on adjacent carriages, and margin of error would give a SWAG of 1760 killed - this seems very high - it assumes 250 per car with 100% killed - but even 50% of this calculation is 4.6 times the death toll of Madrid.

I hope I'm wrong - 250 seems like an awful lot per car, but my only real experience with subways has been on the T in Boston - where the cars are very small.

108 Always right  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:02am

Hope we don't find out another "Secret Organization of al-Qaida in US" too late to do any good.

Where is the condemnation from the muslims? All we hear is their fear of reprisals. Somebody has to say it: Muslims, you are put on notice. If you are not with those extremists, it is time for you to stand up, stand firm, and speak out.

MSM, you are also put on notice. I want to see a thousand times more outrage than Abu Graib and Gitmo combined.

109 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:11am

Charles...

How about a Union Jack on the banner for a while?...

110 john jay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:17am

#74 JustDanny

What do you mean? It seems very similar to Madrid.

The only thing that separates it from other big terrorist attacks is that the death toll hasn't been that high. But that might just be lack of reporting.

111 dll2000  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:23am

#72 Jew baiting at the DU.

One comment was deleted by moterator, so its not like they are not aware of the conversation.

Why do Jews vote Democratic again?

112 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:54am

moonsbreath

I dont know what Im responding too in this picture.

Anarchists are fully capable of this action. As well others.

Im feeling like it isnt an Islamic action, OR, its an opening volley.

113 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:00:57am

#74 JustDanny:

or if it doesnt seem like an Islamic action.

?

Multiple, coordinated bombings targeting civilians in the transport system of the capital of a "crusader" country. 3/11 all over again. What exactly seems out of place here, in terms of this being an islamist attack?

114 Big Al  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:01:07am

#62 Targetpractice:

I fear that you are right. It reminds me of that Mark Steyn essay on Kenneth Bigley that was pulled from the London Telegraph when he had his head sawed off by the Islamists. Steyn mentioned that Bigley's brother Paul "was on TV explaining to the world how the Bigley family's Middle East policy is wholly different from Her Majesty's Government" and that Prime Minister, Tony Blair had "blood on his hands". Steyn then says "this seems an especially stupid and contemptible formulation when anyone with an Internet connection can see Ken Bigley's blood and the hand it's literally on holding up his head."

It is much easier to blame a democratically elected government that champions human rights than murdering Islamists who saw peoples' heads off. The former doesn't bite back while the latter does much worse. What amazes me is that despite the myriad lessons history has taught us that murderers such as these cannot be contained, many enlightened Westerners, whether out of fear, moral confusion, or self-doubt, prefer to place the blame on themselves rather than those who are literally holding their bloodied heads.

115 I've had a Gutful  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:01:16am

#63
#68
#71


Thanks.

Want every one to know 2 fundemental issues:

1. The UK, Especially England, has never seen itself as Europe, (get into bed with Cheese-eating surrender monkeys?)

2. There is and has been an enornmous groundswell of mistrust/hate/whatever you want to call it, towards the muslim faith and their 'rights'. I don't know anyone here who is sympathetic to this pissant religion, and after this, who knows what may happen. We ain't Spanish cowards, we ain't French rollovers, and we ain't German girls.

Red Ken is as much a representation of true England as Castro.

116 mightmakesright  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:01:56am

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.
O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save the Queen.
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen.

117 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:02:30am

#91 Lawrence Schmerel

I seriously don't get how that can be used to blame Israel

British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

How is it an Israeli conspiracy when the BRITISH told Israel.

But non of this makes sense when dealing with the LLL.

THey are simply looking for a way to blame Israel and they're gonna keep it up to divert blame.

118 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:02:41am

OT

An Islamic groupis claiming that they have killed the Egyptian Envoy.

119 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:02:51am

#89 legalbgl

Bastard.

Why don't you start working on your forehead callus right now, dhimmi?

120 Melissa  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:02:57am

How do you like your insurgents now?

121 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:03:13am
I'm sure I;m safe in saying that our thoughts and prayers are with Colt, John in London, and all of the other LGF Britons.

Hear, hear. And with their loved ones, may they all be safe.

122 stonewall  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:03:24am

I am reminded of a few lines from the movies "The Outlaw Jossie Wales" and "Pale Rider"

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

and Chief Dan George saying " hang on little lady HELL IS COMING TO DINNER!

GIVE EM HELL BRITS!

123 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:03:39am

Channeling Princes Abdullah and Nayef of Saudi Arabia:
We are 96.2% sure that the Zionists are behind this in order to blacken the name of Islam, in order to give the impression that mujahadeen exist in the world, in order to give the impression that mujahadeen live and operate in Britain, and in order to give the impression that Wahhabist Islam exists and is not a pacifist religion.
/Abdullah & Nayef

124 NamesAGame  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:03:46am

May we deal with enough of them to require rationing of dark-eyed virgins.

125 Kidbosco  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:02am

The only question that matters is: Did the blast wake anybody up?

126 righthanded  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:20am

#74 Just Danny

Perhaps Chirac and Al-Qaida concocted this together. After all, Chirac seemed pretty upset that France did not get the Olympics in 2012. Pretty coincidence that it happened the day after London won the 2012 Olympics..
My prayers go out to all Londers today.

127 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:32am
Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy: "The people who perpetrated these monstrous attacks have no interest whatsoever in the liberty and dignity of individuals. They deserve and receive national and international contempt."

Sky News

Ummm...THEY DESERVE DEATH!

128 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:33am

I hope that Blair does something about the Islamonazis in his own country. He has minimized this problem for too long now.

What a horrible day.

129 Darleen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:33am

OT and I offered this on the open thread

I have a pic of the Union Jack on my site... please feel free to copy and use on yours.

130 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:04:45am

I love how the MSM is starting to downplay these attacks by saying that at this timne only 40 people have been killed...

As if the number of people killed makes it better...

UNBELIEVEABLE!

131 harry Flashman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:09am

Hey this isn't the IRA, it's the [bigoted word]s, much as I loathe the IRA this actually is not their form.

132 Luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:11am

I just took a quick scan of 20 or so posts on the Kos thread. The prevailing theme was hatred for Bush interrupted now and then by East Coast commuters worried about their personal safety.

You can make of that what you wish. I do not think a society can survive when a sizeable percentage of its citizens react to these events in that fashion. This is the left today.

133 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:16am

#90 grendelkhan

An aside: does anyone have any damned clue what "He who warns is excused" means?


It is a phrase of self-absolution. "by warning you, I'm excused from punishment for killing you later". It is a thought process found most often in 5-year-olds.

/end Psych lecture

134 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:28am

MSM has started the anesthetic drip.

135 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:29am

Kos: 500 posts and not one mention of Islam or jihad

They seem to think al Qaeda is a centralized organization with little boxes and vice presidents.

136 Jamie Irons  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:05:46am

Mike C.

What I most desperately want to hear now is that flaming asshole (I forget his name) apologist M.P. - the one that came to the US and testified in Washington - say one damned thing.

You're thinking of "Gorgeous George" Galloway.

A hideous demagogue if ever there was one.

Jamie Irons

137 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:06:04am

#122
Is that line also in a Jonny Cash song?

138 amir  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:06:06am

ITS STARTED

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning

Netanyahu had been on way to London hotel near blasts

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on his way to a hotel near the scene of one of the London blasts Thursday when he received a call to stay put, the foreign minister said.
"After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere," Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told Israel Army Radio.

What difference does it make. Before the explosion or after the explosion.

139 FlyingTigress  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:06:18am

#44 I've had a Gutful

We're right there with you... (hug)

...just like you were there for us.

140 Kidbosco  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:06:19am

#116:
And what good is the Queen in this matter? There is already enough royal garbage in the Sun...where is her leadership?

141 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:06:21am

#119 really grumpy big dog Johnson, you might want to read the all caps paragraph too.

142 Bayonet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:07:00am

Maybe it's the French, pissed off they didn't get the Olympics?


The enxt asshole who writes that we must NEGOTIATE with Radical Islam should be sent to GITMO for boiled chicken.

143 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:07:09am

It's Bush's fault cause these bastards learned to kill in Iraq. Or so I expect to hear later on.

144 Jheka  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:07:14am

#129 Darleen:

See my post on the open thread ... we're on the same page.

145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:07:44am

#90 grendelkhan

Ah, but you see, they still have hope in all this. Unlike in Spain, where support for the war was luke-warm, but the pro-war candidate still had a chance of winning, that an attack would swing things in their favor.

Yeah, the election is already done and over with in Britain, but it's left Tony's party on weak footing and with him in the position of either bringing the war to a close soon or loosing his office. They're hoping that this attack will be the final push to turn the souring public opinion of the war into outright hostility towardds it and the US.

The one thing they didn't factor in was that Britain does not take kindly to barbaric "suggestions." The British don't just get mad...they get even.

146 Vercingetorix  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:07:50am

Confirm Bolton Now

147 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:07am

From the looney left:
It's the fault of the Jews, it's the fault of Bush, it's the fault of Blair, it's the fault of everybody except the jihadis that live and operate and recruit and raise funds and plot and acquire explosives and have safe houses in Britain.
/the looney appeasement dhimmified left

148 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:07am
149 NamesAGame  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:18am

A blog by a London EMT:

[Link: randomreality.blogware.com...]

150 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:20am

#115 I've had a gutful

Red Ken is as much a representation of true England as Castro.

As a Londoner directly affected by this, AMEN.

---

justdanny - It feels to me that this was Al Queda junior. I'm wondering why there was 'only' one or two bus bombings. Although I have to say that as soon as the network found out about the first bus bomb, they cancelled & evacuated all central london busses.

151 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:21am

129 Darleen

I just made that my wallpaper. Thank you.

152 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:25am

snopes
john jay

I guess maybe once the picture of what happened gets clearer I'll stop having this feeling.

I do predict however that this will awaken none of the sleeping.

I predict this will increase not decrease the freedom of islamists in London to call for the jihad.

I predict this will harden the forces working to free islamists to do anything they want any time they want.

I think this helps islamists, not hurts them.

The dhimmis are already aligned for the defense of Islamists right to destroy the free world. They were'nt aligned on 911.

153 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:30am

Mornin guys! Heard about the bombings on talk radio while getting ready for work. Got to this post fast as i could. People on the radio are saying that if that crap starts happening here we may need to reopen the internment camps.

154 grendelkhan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:55am

Okay, I know it's a cheap shot, but regarding those pesky rumors that the Jews were behind it all, someone at DU says "That kind of crapola has been circulating (and thoroughly debunked) since 9/11." To which the rapier wits over there respond:

I have research 9/11 thoroughly for about a year, which you obviously has not.


Well, that's settled, then.

155 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:08:56am
156 AG in Houston  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:09:40am

MANKER #117

I will tell you how this will be blamed on Israel.

There are those who want this to be a Jewish plot so badly, they will take the information and extrapolate.

Netanyahu was warned by someone who is in the pockets of the Zionists.

It is easy.

You can blame the freakin' Tamil Tigers and make it work... if you really, really want it to fit.

Just fit the situation to the facts and wammo! -- Netanyahu probably pressed the "explode" buttons from his hotel room.

157 Stonewall  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:09:43am

#137 knotboy

Im not sure.

158 Mike Boelter  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:09:57am

I will keep my comments simple and to the point.

Wahabbi delanda est.

And if that does not solve the problem then:

Islam delanda est.

159 sms111  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:10:26am

Ummm...when will this happen in an American city?

I believe it won't be long. In fact, this may be just the encouragement our American ROP'ers need.

160 Westward Ho  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:10:30am
Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world.

Abdul have you heard of the the three conjectures
Because you murderous gloating son of a bitch you are getting there.

161 AngryDumbo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:10:46am

Likewise #44. Stay safe and beyond anger.

However, I believe it was Johnny Rotten who said "Anger is an energy."

So if you get angry, put your energy to good use today:

Send a care package to the allied troops in Iraq.

Or . . . you could simply explain to #84 what the "British people" think of these bombings and that AQ has already claimed responsibility for them.

162 knotboy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:11:01am

# 157
I think it's in the song "When the man comes around". The one about the pale horse...great line.

163 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:11:08am

The latest...


"Subways, buses hit across city; reports of 45 dead, 300 hurt"

164 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:11:18am

#119 Johnson

What part did you not agree with?

165 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:11:23am

NYTIMES Headline:

London Is Hit by String of Rush-Hour Blasts

Boy, you never know when blasts are going to happen. Is it the electrical company? Unexploded WW2 bombs? What?

Those blasts can be really dangerous.

It's best to avoid blasts, and work on preventing blasts, because blasts can cause a lot of damage.

166 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:11:45am
War is officially declared from where I live


Ditto.


BRING IT ON.

167 Dom  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:12:03am

Thanks to everyone from a Brit for your solidarity.

There's some nervousness and concern for people, I don't know what repercussions but after this bitter experience, something along the lines of which was widely expected, life will go on and so will the fight against jihadi terrorists. What's striking is this notion of a power surge causing explosions on the tube. We saw quite unusual power cuts across America and Europe over the last couple of years and they were instantly ascribed to human error or natural causes. The attacks on 9/11 were only possible because of the extent to which the perpetrators had been able to access their resources openly and unsuspected. The issue is combatting taqqiyeh (sneakiness) without spoiling our freedom and values in the process, but with confidence in our safety.

ot There should be a deal offering anyone knowing whereabouts of illegal weapons a high percentage of the actual or estimated market value for any weapons recovered.

168 Mentat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:12:09am

The words of "Sir" Iqbal Sacranie, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain:

Then I asked Iqbal Sacranie, general secretary of the MCB,whether he thought that any public statements about Islamic terrorism, or any speculation about the number of Muslims in Britain who might support Islamic terrorism, would constitute incitement to religious hatred. He said: 'There is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist. This is deeply offensive. Saying Muslims are terrorists would be covered by this provision'.

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

169 Zarba  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:12:25am

Hunt them down and exterminate them like the vermin that they are.

No Quarter

No Peace

No Mercy

Only Victory

This is a clash of civilization versus those who would drag us back to the stone ages. We must not waver, we must not shirk our duty. We must prevail, whatever the cost. Doing any less will damn our children and grandchildren to either live in the hell these people would create, or die trying to stop them.

170 condor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:12:40am

I've read that the story about the British warning the Israelis was from an anti-Israeli writer, and came out almost immediately after the attacks.
If that is so, then it is as least questionable. . . .

171 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:12:48am

Time for the Roman decimation theory. Romans chose to kill one in 10 enemies as reprisals for any attacks on their territory. Just imagine if we applied this to Islam - 130 million fewer Muslims. Time to get the Tridents ready. Where are you Augustus Caesar, Scipio when we need you?

DEATH TO THE LLL'S AND MSM TRAITORS

172 Luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:13:09am

165 Maine's Michael

Are you proposing a War on Blasts?

173 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:13:28am

#113 Occasional Reader

I understand fully the similarity of this attack to others.

Time will tell.

174 Condor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:13:30am

Plucked this gem from a British site. . .

"If we are . . . going to be destroyed by (a) bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things--praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts--not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs."
--C.S. Lewis

175 miguelj  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:13:33am

Red Ken's sleazy implication that if it HAD been aimed at president, prime ministers, mighty, powerful et al...well, that wouldn't have been so bad, would it? Makes me want to chunder.

Prediction: we will find that this was financed by Wahhabi extremist members of the House of Saud. What then?

Remember, remember what Mr. Kurtz said:

176 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:13:40am

#73 kcm

Shove a picture of a dismembered child in a moonbats face

Don't you know that to Moonbats, the only dead children that count are Muslim children? In the days leading up to the Iraq War, the 'bats were out in full force in San Francisco, with posters of little Iraqi children, asking how we can condone the U.S. killing them. One asked me "don't you care?" My answer: "Not as much as I care about the little five-year old whose life was ended when Muslim bastards flew her and her mother into Tower Two."

The only targets these POS's know are unarmed civilians and then they have the nerve to call it a "military" action?

Britain - stand firm. We bleed with you.

177 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:14:04am

155 {TFK}

lets roll

Chills. Every time I hear it.

178 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:14:32am

"At least four explosions across central city during morning rush; double-decker bus torn open; people still trapped in tunnels; entire subway network shut down for day"

179 MAV  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:14:51am
with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west.”

Fear and terror is what these animals will feel when they get hunted down by the Brits and the Americans. We need to wake up and smell the coffee, this is for keeps. Gloves off and F*ck the MSN and LLL basterds who sympathize with these ISLAMOFACIST Pigs.

GET SOME

180 john_the_realist  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:14:55am

How many more people have to die before the civilized world realizes that we all have to step up the pressure on radical Islam? It's not just a coincidence that EVERY freakin' terrorist attack is carried out by the same people!

181 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:15:21am

My sister is 21 and has only been outside the USA once. Well, she has been wanting to go England for a long time.

She left for Brighton two weeks ago. She was in London last week. I got her email today:

hi everyone,
things are ok here. we are all watching the news and searching the internet. all trips to london are cancelled and [my class of foreign students, including Americans here in Brighton] are having a meeting tonight to discuss how to go about things from now on in a safe manner.

I just came back from london a few days ago. i was there during the rallies and such and used the tube and was in every area that they are saying was bombed. i feel really strange right now b.c london has just really become a part of my life within these past two weeks. the best thing about londoners is that they will talk to you on the tube and smile and really, are just wonderful. i love the people here and this is really quite shocking ... the thing for you all to remember is that i have some wonderfully nice and caring people around me. please don't worry. we are all discussing the events and making sure to be there for one another so you don't have to worry that i am alone in another country.

182 kayawanee  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:15:33am

#140 Kidbosco

#116: And what good is the Queen in this matter? There is already enough royal garbage in the Sun...where is her leadership?

It's the British National Antham. The music for "God Save the Queen" is the basis for our patriotic song "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

183 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:15:53am
Mornin guys! Heard about the bombings on talk radio while getting ready for work. Got to this post fast as i could. People on the radio are saying that if that crap starts happening here we may need to reopen the internment camps.


Forget the "if it happens here", and forget camps. What we need to open is grave sites. Lots of them. Wait. Nevermind. Just make big piles and bury them. Muslim Killers do NOT deserve ANYTHING but quick deaths.

btw - i don't think I've ever told you, but I love your nickname, BGB. Mornin.

184 Jakester  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:16:10am

Al Qaeda claims responsibility, no surprise, only savages could be proud of that atrocity.

185 nose  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:16:21am

#90

He who warns is excused is a reference to the fact that they can't just go off and kill innocents (or so they claim) unless they first warn them.

I think we've warned them enough. Me, I'm going off to change my ebay notification to look for "Mecca Glass".

186 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:17:02am

#162 knotboy

Yeah, that's the song. Well, actually he says "white horse," but pale horse is the line I've heard most when the quote's used. Dl'd the song after it was used in the opening credits of Dawn of the Dead.

187 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:18:57am

I heard that Red Ken Livingstone was "defiant". What does that mean? Was he ripping Londoners for not being culturally sensitive enough to the jihadis, forcing them to blow sh*t up?

188 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:19:15am

GET THIS:

TERRORIST ATTACK FAILS RED KEN'S STANDARDS!

Red Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, says "This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners."

So . . . RED KEN only condemns this terrorist attack because it did not kill the right people!

189 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:19:21am

Time for Britain to go back to the thinking of perhaps her greatest military hero - Lord Horatio Nelson, who wrote that the proper strategy in battle was "to exterminate the opponent." And Americans could do worse than to heed his words, too.

190 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:19:23am

Liberals In Denial At Daily Kos

A knee-jerk, liberal response:

The "usual suspects" would seem to be the IRA, terrorism likely related to the UK involvement in the Iraq War, G8 protesters, or maybe even French sports fans upset at not getting the Olympics. The first two seem more plausible -- the IRA has done this before and there are some similiarities to the 3-11 attacks in Spain. In contrast, there is no case where either of the latter usual suspects have used exploses in the past.
191 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:19:33am
192 Darleen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:20:22am

#144 Jheka

Yep! :-)

Durnation... I gotta go to work (and no internet access)

I'll catch up at lunchtime.

193 kstagger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:20:51am

Thoughts of Winston Churchill keep coming to me. Will the British people have what it took to defeat Nazism? Will they stand up and fight as they did before?

Do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning.This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time. - Winston Churchill

Or will they follow the lead of George Galloway?

We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings. - George Galloway

Hopefully the former, not the latter. For giving into terrorists only breeds more terrorism. When they see their way produces results, they will continue on.

194 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:20:53am

#44 I've had a Gutful
Well said.

I'm off to my local for a pint and a spot of late lunch in a bit and I'll wager there won't be much sympathy for the "it's all our own fault" brigade. It will be interesting to speak with people who normally don't give two sh1ts about Islam and the WOT and guage their opinions.

I think the self-loathing will come in a few days when the left-wing press return to peddling their usual PC bullsh1t.

This will be a real test, not just for Londoners, but for the UK as a whole. Will most Brits take the Spanish route of appeasement or will we stand up and demand a swift crackdown on Islamofascists, both abroad and at home? I hope it's the latter.

195 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:21:32am

Now that I have had some time to think, let me share my thoughts:
the coordination between the leftists making a mess in Scotland and the islamofascists murderers attacking London has been nearly perfect and shows how complex and articulate is the enemy today.

The media attacks the West with confusion and lies from inside ,
the troops of the left cause disorder and unrest,
the muslims invade our Countries in larger and larger numbers
and the terrorists kill and maim at will.

This strategy will bring the West down in twenty to fifty years, unless The People wake up.

Every politicians who doesn't state all this openly and clearly is a part of the problem...and I am deeply convinced that the money of oil can buy not only the whole left but much more...

196 mbruce  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:21:41am

Calling them animals is a diservice to animals. I love my dog.
Let's see how many Muslims today condemn this action instead of asking for more "understanding"
I hope sane people understand now that they must be eradicated.

197 I've had a Gutful  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:21:52am

Hey Chutch...

Little English Eichmmans eh?


Prick

198 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:22:03am

#181 slothy,

She could get that here in America. Come to the South. Glad she is alright. My wife and I were standing( and have pics) in front of the towers a week before they hit them. We have pics( form the Jersey side) of the towers and the skyline...and a few of us in front of them. To know that they are not there now...I know what she is feeling...

May she get out safely.


We should hunt them down with long range nukes. Now. I can't help it, ya'll. Can we really go on and on and on with this appeasement and apathy about what they are doing to the world? Someone is always trying to take over the world, and the longer we wait, the worse it's going to get.


NUKE THEM. And if CHINA and RUSSIA want some of it, them too. Peace in death would be better than terror in life. For me anyway.


LIBERTY OR DEATH, MUSLIM SCUM.

199 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:22:10am

How can Great Britain ever defeat this kind of threat with people like Red Ken Livingstone as mayor of London?

200 Westward Ho  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:01am

#190, padikiller

They even have issues with the word Islamofascism.

201 BeckoningChasm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:11am

My thoughts and prayers are with our British friends.

My anger is on the devil-worshippers who commit these horrible crimes.

202 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:18am
#120 Melissa

How do you like your insurgents now?

Extra crispy, please.

/I'll take all the twelve piece buckets you have

203 milford421  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:29am

July 7, 2005

10:21 a.m. Eastern Standard Time

[Link: www.cair-net.org...]

No mention of terrorist attacks in London.

204 stonewall  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:33am

#191 taxfreekiller

That sounds like Tom Petty.

205 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:23:52am

Paging no2liberals-

206 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:24:38am

In the interests of historical accuracy and for posterity...here's a link to the first lgf story on the explosions from our own poster 'calanthe'. The time of the first post of the story was 2:02 a.m. on the Pacific coast, 5:02 a.m. est and exactly 17 minutes after the explosions in London:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

207 alegrias  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:24:52am

What are our US leading Democrats such as Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, etc., saying about the atrocities perpetrated on our ally or are they crying crocodile tears?

208 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:25:44am

Right everyone - we've just been told we have to leave the office now.

I have to walk home now & my route takes me near the bus bomb site & past Liverpool st.

I think it's time for a pint first tho'.

209 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:25:52am

Hamza is soon to go on trial soon for a career spent over many years inciting to jihad.
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Any possibility that Hamza's mujahadeen may be involved in this massacre?
The timing of this attack, preceeding the Hamza trial, seems curious to me. There doesn't seem to be much else that the jihadis could use as a pretext for this particular timing.

210 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:25:52am

#164 legalbgl

I know you asked rgbdj, but I'll bet it's this:

The world is not safer because of our military presence in the middle east. These attacks will continue for the forseable future and nothing our military is doing can stop it.

You don't think that running for their lives has had an impact on al-Q's ability to attack? You don't think that their operations in Iraq have lessened their ability to attack the West? You don't think that killing the sons of bitches diminishes their ability?

This is terribly simple. We are chock full of big fat soft targets that they will attack as often as possible. We cannot guard against attacks of this type. We have only 2 options.

1. Let them.

2. Kill them before they can attack.

No solution is perfect, but one of these makes us safer than the other.

211 rabidfox  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:25:54am

OT but potentially important.

Linky

212 mbruce  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:05am

#202, I am certain that they are actually figuring out how too spin this against W, no more no less.

213 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:34am

# 262 KB

Heh. Good answer !

214 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:36am

nice to see Indymedia are trying to sell footage of the bodies being remove.

215 Barry  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:40am

#23 AG in Houston

Israel's Minister of Foreign Affairs said on Israeli TV that the Embassy was warned after the first bombing not to go out into the business district, and not before the attacks took place.

216 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:44am

#203 milford421:

Sort of like "the dog that didn't bark" isn't it?

217 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:47am
So . . . RED KEN only condemns this terrorist attack because it did not kill the right people!

As did imbecile Michael Moore on Sept 12th, 2001.
 

218 el presidente'  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:26:49am

My blood is boiling, I think the time is coming when people of free nations, might have to establish organizations like the minutemen, and go mosque to mosque and start rounding up the bad guys. The government seems to be to pc for any real action. The people know who the enemy is, it is Islam and it should be destoyed. Right now as I see it, they want to destoy freedom, so it's destoy or be destroyed, I'm for the former.

Give them a chance to get out, after that shut down the mosque, by any means necessary. Send in the demolition squads, and no I don't care if any korans are burnt, we need to take the battle to the enemey, and again the enemy is Islam, the cult of death, the religion of satan, they follow the words of a pedophile,rapist,pillager,thug.

219 alegrias  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:31am

Have they cancelled stupid G8 talks yet? Shove Bono and his ilk aside, no more forgiveness of debt, we'll need every penny to wipe out the greater global plague of islamonuts.

220 freedomplow  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:38am

Someone is watching are security reaction. We already thought of that right?


My $.02

221 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:44am

Smit

G-d speed...

222 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:48am

#173 JustDanny:

I understand fully the similarity of this attack to others.

Look, I'm not trying to jump on you, just wondering what is the basis of the feeling you have. Anything specific about the pattern of attacks, etc.?

223 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:49am

Jeeezus Chrst,there is already a left wing rumor going around that Israel knew ahead of time and didn't warn the British.They claim this is a fact since there are no reports about any jewish casualties.This is from the comments at DU,Atrios and Kos.Where the hell did I put that duct tape?Goddamn left wing bastards are as much our enemy as the Islamonazis.

224 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:27:57am

#109 Padikiller

I second the motion - Charles?

225 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:28:02am

Smit, be careful. God bless.

226 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:28:49am

News Conference

4 detonations...

227 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:28:59am
228 Harry Flashman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:29:20am

Have no fear the Brits won't give in, they're the most phlegmatic people on earth. They hate overt displays of nationalism, religious fanaticism or political extremism but when this sort of thing happens they staighten their backs, clench their teeth, stick thir thumbs in their belts and at that point you really don't want to catch their eyes.

The luftwaffe tried it, to my eternal shame my fellow countrymen in Ireland tried it too and they both were beaten by good old fashioned Anglo Saxon pig headedness.

With refernce to "Red" Ken Livingstone much as I hate everything he stands for he's just made a fantastic speech about the spirit of London and freedom, it was positively Churchillian. In that spirit can I quote the great man himself 'Do your worst and we will do our best!' that sums up the spirit.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

229 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:29:40am

#66 Lawhawk

Red Ken:

They seek to divide London

No, dipshit, they seek to conquer London.

230 MJ  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:02am

# 175 "Prediction: we will find that this was financed by Wahhabi extremist members of the House of Saud. What then?"

You're kidding, right? House of Saud is responsible for 99.99% of all Islamic Terrorism. They're still in power. After 9/11, "Saudi" Arabia is still is still the only country in the world that is a family business. And that family business is supporting terrorism against the West.

231 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:09am

# 199 L.S.

Don't sell them short. They recovered from Chamberlain.

232 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:11am

#210 Powderfinger

Then maybe you and Johnson need to learn to read. If after reading hte ENTIRE post that you still feel that I am a defeatist who really thinks our action in Iraq is fruitless, then I don't know what to say about you!

233 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:15am

Bono and Gelford are irrelevant and so is their cause. If they can find a way to get rid of the corrupt dictators who run Africa's countries, then maybe their pleadings would be worthwhile. As it is, we have other fish to fry and just now their posturing about 'priorities' seems a little out of whack!

234 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:16am

Lest you think that it is only the Times that gives those kind of headlines, here's a sampling:

NY POST: Four London Blasts Kill 40, Injure 300, in breaking story section at top of frontpage. Blasts? Is that some kind of rock group?

MSNBC: London Attacked: At Least 40 Dead Attacked by whom? Martians from Spielberg's WoTW?

CNN: Terror Hits London amazingly, that's probably the best of the headlines - although terror didn't hit London. Terrorists did. And they didn't hit - they murdered more than 40 people with the intent to kill hundreds, if not more. They actually used the word terror and that gives them an advantage over other media outlets.

WSJ: Bus, Subway Blasts Hit London now, it's bus and subway blasts hitting London.

What are these editors smoking? The BBC: London rocked by terror attacks - Four blasts rip through London - gets to the heart of the matter.

And you wonder why the media keeps losing viewers to blogs?!

235 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:45am

227 tfk

I was thinking about doing that...seriously.

I need to do something...hate feeling helpless.

236 texanista  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:51am

Just kill them all and let G_d sort them out. It's time to put an end to this evil ideology. It's not a religion. It's a death cult. Plain and simple.

237 legalbgl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:30:59am

News conference in London from the London Police Chief says that they did NOT get warnings of anykind about the attacks.

238 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:31:03am

#190 padikiller

So far, the moonbats have tried to either blame the bombings on the IRA or parroted the Al-Q in EU claim with the added suggestion that "it's a good idea." The former is the ignorance of the young and the latter is the ignorance of the old.

As a poster in another topic pointed out, this attack was not only organized, but doesn't fit the IRA's MO of using nailbombs near financial buildings.

And the moonbats pushing the idea that Britain should heed the warnings and abandon the WoT ignore the fact that even after Spain dropped out of the war, terrorist attacks continued to happen. They fail to understand the logic giving into terrorists only brings more bombs and more demands.

239 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:31:05am

When Somalia stops sending its sons to jihad, then I'll be happy to send them money to eat on. But as long as they can buy guns, they don't need my few shekels.

240 grendelkhan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:31:24am

#135 Beagle

jihad jihad jihad jihad jihad

Perhaps not in the contexts you would have liked, but the word "jihad" certainly does appear in the comments section numerous times. Maybe I misunderstood you---what were you trying to say?

241 Mentat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:32:36am

I'm all out of tears. I'm all out of anger.

I keep waiting for someone to do something. I keep waiting for someone in power to speak the truth, to pierce the veil of political correctness. Is there no politician anywhere who will speak the truth about Islam, who will risk offending the Mobots? We keep talking about taking the gloves off, etc.. Yet, in the news media and the pronouncements of politicians, nothing much reflecting reality is reported. I am getting very tired and very discouraged.

242 Dave the.....  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:32:45am
No mention of terrorist attacks in London.


Checked Air American this morning. Local show had no mention of the attacks either. They were too busy bashing Catholic schools. I guess that's more important for the looney left.

243 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:32:55am
Jeeezus Chrst,there is already a left wing rumor going around that Israel knew ahead of time and didn't warn the British.

Expect this one, too, if the moonbats haven't come up with it already:

"Bush was behind the attacks, to distract attention from the politically embarrassing topics being discussed at Gleneagles--you know, aid to Africa (he's racist and so is against it), global warming (which he likes because it helps oil companies)."

244 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:33:34am

My headline:


MUSLIMS SLAUGHTER INNOCENT BRITS, LEFTISTS BLAME BUSH AND JEWS, MECCA BECOMES GLASS IN 5...4...3...2...

245 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:33:52am
246 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:34:21am

#223 Ganjahedeen

Goddamn left wing bastards are as much our enemy as the Islamonazis.

Was there any doubt ?

247 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:34:32am

#214 uptight

Isn't that war profiteering? Isn't that what the accuse Halliburtan of doing? The irony is about as striking as a blow to the face.

248 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:34:37am
“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world

nahhh. This isn't race specific.Nothing to see here...I would bet my car's title that everyone who orchestrated this butchery was an arab.

The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,”

Nahh. It's not racial hatred. Nothing to see here. NOW does this qualify as a hate crime?

/I'm sick of this PC crap!

249 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:35:04am

Take heart Londoners. "Terrorism" doesn't exist! According to the BBC, "Terrorism" is merely a neo-conservative construct. Terror networks are phantoms of the cynical and fearful age we live in.

Hope I have brought some comfort to our brothers and sisters across the pond.

250 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:35:15am

#190 padikiller

Dumb fucks.

251 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:35:37am

#236 texanista

Just kill them all and let G_d sort them out


My one light-hearted trooper said early on, "kill 'em all, who gives a f**k if G-d sorts it out?".

252 channeling the shah  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:35:38am

wrong people to mess with you, you stupid mujahadeed monkeys. they ain't the spanish, as you will see very, very shortly.

wake up, europe. thanks to your assinine immigration policies, this is your brave new world.

253 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:35:51am

I would like to see Great Britain drop another 50k Troops in Iraq tomorrow, they can help us expand to the right and left (syria and Iran)

254 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:36:18am

Still no Union Jack? I gues it doesn't really matter. Our words should reach them...if between their media nad ours, they don't feel like we've "abandonded" them like soem soldiers do. Stupid MSM. Traitors.

255 Americain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:36:37am

I was hoping my 1,000th post would be on a positive thread, but alas, it is not.

The barbarians have struck again.

The peaceful, moderate muslims will remain silent, again.

These 7th century bastards have no clue of what is coming their way.

Let the new Crusades begin.

256 whosoever  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:36:45am

#89 legalbgl
People can't hear you when you type. Today of all days is a good one to tread lightly with your sarcasm, and please tag it as such.

257 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:37:22am

#241 Mentat

Is there no politician anywhere who will speak the truth about Islam, who will risk offending the Mobots?

No.
And politicians don't use buses and subways.
And don't live in neighborhoods that can be invaded.
Their daughters can't be raped in the roads.

We The People, instead...

Today we all learn why the politicos have invented the hate crimes.

258 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:37:27am

fuckin [bigoted word]s

259 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:37:41am

#254 Owl

Charles said he had a trip to go on this morning, but would add it later.

260 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:37:53am

243 Occasional Reader

I already had "Bush is to blame" thrown in my face this morning.

261 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:38:35am

#219 alegrias:

no more forgiveness of debt, we'll need every penny to wipe out the greater global plague of islamonuts.

'Cept of course that this debt generally isn't being repaid anyway.

262 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:38:36am
263 Martel-Sobieski  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:38:42am

10,000 Cassandras have cried, now Troy is burning. Troy, Madrid, New York, now London.

For the love of bloody Jesus F. Christ WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE WAKE THE F*CK UP !

The heathen muslim scumbag followers of the one-eyed hook-hand Imam at Finsbury Mosque has been crowing that Britain will be destroyed for YEARS, and now everyone acts all "shocked, shocked" that these filthy muslims have bombed the underground?

I am rapidly losing faith in my fellow Human Beings. How long will you all harbor the delusion that "peaceful coexistence" with 7th Century Tribal Heathens is possible?

The problem is most assuredly NOT that the non-existent "moderate muslim" doesn't have a voice. The problem is that the very "Prison Gang" structure and memeset of Islam INEXORABLY, INEVITABLY, INDUBITABLY Leads to violent aggression against all "others."

But the LLL's say "Oh but the guy at 7-11" or "Oh but the Cab Driver" "Oh but the (insert random muslim taking money here) is so nice." "The muslims here are so nice and religious, they would never do someting like that, blahblahblah yadda yadday friggin' yadda."

Shove that crap back up your prissy-pink PeeCee grandmothers ass once and for all.

I'm sure that there were "nice" NAZIS, KLANSMEN and KHMER ROUGE as well you f-ing BOZO. Being "nice" and innocuous is not enough to get you off the hook. If you support "ISLAM" then you support this kind of shit, ergo you don't deserve the protections of Western Society in order to spread your sickness.

If these were "spreaders of virulent tuberculosis" instead of "Muslims" they would be hunted down mercilessly until every last one was quarantined or eliminated. There would be no outcry over the "civil rights" of the infected. I am telling you, that ISLAM is a disease even worse. ISLAM WILL DESTROY YOU UNLESS YOU DESTROY IT.

There is a window of opportunity now.
STOP ALL IMMIGRATION OF MUSLIMS
INTERN ALL MUSLIMS
DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS BACK TO ISLAMIC TURDISTAN
RENOUNCE MOHAMMED OR GO BACK TO YOUR ISLAMIC SHITHOLE

Mohammed is the Devil.
Islam is an abomination before God
Death to Islam

It's the only way to save ourselves.

Read and Learn

264 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:38:48am

Well, folks, gotta go. Hang tough.

265 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:38:57am

Wierdness. Charles must have a script that changes "m u zz i e s" to Muslims.

266 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:39:05am

#260 loppyd

I already had "Bush is to blame" thrown in my face this morning.


Did you leave the offender alive?

267 heliotrope  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:39:26am

I don't want to be "obvious" here, but Europe is chockablock full of Muslims of all stripes. The European liberals have tucked Muslims in as diversity trophies and wonderful bits of cultural contrast.

As Muslim religious "law" has rubbed up against traditional European rule of law, there have been "accomodations of understanding." At first it was a mouse nibbling the cheese, but in many places, it has become rats running the neighborhood.

There are Muslim communities completely controlling who comes and goes in London, Paris, Stockholm, Hamburg and many other suburbs throughout European cities.

The heart of this problem is the "moderate" Muslim community. I do not even know if such a thing exists. But if it does, they must rise up against their "brothers" in the terrorist wing and work with the civilized authorities to round them up and neutralize them.

The alternative is profiling all Muslim people and demonizing them as we once did with the "Jap" and the "Hun."

Unfortunately, all out war is easier, because if it walks, talks, and dresses like...it is!...BANG!

If the Muslim community does not begin to actively police itself in Europe (and here) the open warfare clash of culture is just around the corner.

I am certain that governments large and small are trying to work with moderate Muslims throughout Europe, but the time for the sane Muslim community to come to the fore is now.

The press and the governments need to demand Muslim cooperation and set up active "turn in a rat" hotlines.

268 el presidente'  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:39:34am

A good place to start for the minutemen project would be Dearborn, Michagan. Then eastward towards New Jersey. Cut the head off and the body will die.

269 texanista  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:39:43am

If England isn't targeting all the mosques they are crazy. They need to eliminate them as well as the islamic schools. then kick them all out of the country.

270 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:39:54am

#255 Americain, the radical islamists have not spoken out. Peace and moderation are radical ideas.

271 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:40:06am

#265 Lizard By The Bay

I see you have met the censor-bot.

272 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:40:10am

'Nam

That would send such a powerful message.

A major F*UCK YOU to the murdering pigs.

273 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:40:37am

9iron. thanks. i missed that.

*sigh...

it's been a horrible morning. I've about chewed my fingernails off. And a few minutes ago I just yelled for no reason. I'm glad I'm the only one at work today.

I am going to go out now and get in my CAT loader, and push some rock and dirt around. Poor rock and dirt, I'm gonna cream the crap out of it.

{lgf}
{Chalres}
{Brits}

bbl.

274 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:40:51am

Jihad delenda est
Wahabi delenda est
And if that doesn't get their attention: Mecca delenda est -- Medina delenda est.
And so forth.

275 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:40:52am

hunt them down. kill them. destroy them. beat them like dogs. burn their korans. vandalize their mosques. beat their families. humiliate them.

im so pissed right now. I want to fight.

276 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:41:01am

#255 Americain

The peaceful, moderate muslims will remain silent, again.

I am sorry but I have to tell you something...peaceful moderate muslims do not live in the Arctic and don't bring you gifts, it was me and you Mom who did it, to make you feel happy...you know, "peaceful moderate muslims" actually, ehr, they don't exist.

I am very sorry, but your are a big boy now, you need to know this.

277 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:41:29am

265 LBTB

he does...you can't type the "R" word without it being changed to "arab"...

can't blame him...people are trying to crawl up his a*s with a microscope!

278 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:41:35am

Will the British blame:

1. George Bush
2. Tony Blair
3. Murderous radical Muslims

?

I'm guessing:

1. 80%
2. 15%
3. 5%

Europe is dhimmified. The British are already saying that "Iraq is the reason". Sad, really.

279 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:42:02am

im hoping to see muslims being dragged out into the streets and beaten.

maybe some burning mosques.

280 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:42:46am

#265 Lizard By The Bay, yep. been there for a very long time. The same with many other not-so-nice words/phrases. Its one thing I don't agree with Charles on; I would like to see an [Ed.] added after the word Muslim when it occurs.

281 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:43:05am

#253 'Nam Grunt

But wouldn't that be "playing on our fears" in the words of the immortal Algore?

/not necessary

282 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:43:16am
283 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:43:36am
284 alegrias  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:43:37am

#227 Tax free--join the minutemen, do something

#245 Tax free--cut jihadist telecom command & control

Tax free--you and President Bush said it would be hard, the atrocities are horrible but the right response is courage. God bless our allies and those willing to fight to the death this plague on humanity.

285 MinnesotaLoon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:43:55am

Reading through the various threads on the terrorist attacks on London, I realized something. Like 9/11 galvanized apathetic American's to start caring about what is going on (and in some cases remove their blinders, politically speaking) and desire serious action, this may cause Britains to do the same. While Tony Blair has been a staunch supporter of the war on terror, the populace hasn't been so gung ho. Now that they've gotten the same wake up call we did in America, it should change things.

Funny, we were debating keeping the US flag at the top of LGF permanently. Now I wonder if flying the Union Jack as suggested will happen. Also, will we start drawing more visitors from the UK...

And when did I start thinking of LGF as we? I've been assimilated!

286 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:11am

This kind of shit is going to go on until the free people of the world wipe out islam in its homelands.

In WW2 did we stop at the border of Germany?

'nuff said.

287 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:20am

#211 rabidfox

Oh that's just great news. Not.

288 mbruce  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:21am

Yes,here in SF the assclown moonbat F*&^ks have already started their "Thank's George" diatribe. God I hate them.

[Link: www.craigslist.org...]

Craigslist is a friggin moonbat heaven,

289 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:35am

276 PL
amen. That's what I've been trying to tell people for years. Peaceful, moderate muslims are considered kafir by their own imams...they are to be treated like we infidels..so to be peaceful and moderate is to NOT be a muslim..

290 rockman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:36am

The Finesbury Park mosque should be smoldering ruins by the end of the day.

291 hurricane_jimmy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:44:43am

How pathetic. They actually believe they carried out a military attack.

Spineless cowards who hide beneath a rock and slither out to conduct their sick "duty" in the name of their god.

292 mcbain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:45:58am
Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc', and let slip the dogs of war.
Julius Caesar III, 1
-- William Shakespeare
293 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:46:03am

Mother-f**kers must pay.

I used to get off the tube almost everday at Russel Sq. station to go to school.

Friends, don't let up your guard. No matter where you are.

294 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:46:33am

#282 taxreekiller

can the eeemoms ban us from their "moquse" thingey's,,, NO its a free country

TFK, in a free country, there is such a thing as private property. Imams can ban anyone from entering their mosque if they wish. It was a nice plan, but based on a flawed assumption, I'm afraid.

295 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:46:49am

#267 Heliotrope

If the Muslim community does not begin to actively police itself in Europe (and here) the open warfare clash of culture is just around the corner.

Exactly. In the US, the moderate Moslems have been too quiet. Maybe that's a result of the split in the American people: Dems supporting doing nothing, and Republicans supporting defending the country from the radicals. Europe does not have the luxury of being split on this issue. And moderate Moslems who support democracy need to speak out now, very loudly, and not let anything get in the way. And it pains me to add: or else.

296 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:47:45am

If the moonbats would leave us alone Dubya would pave the ME and put a pork chops 'R' us in the middle of it with the largest American Flag in the world flying on top of it!

297 Old Dad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:47:46am

Let's all be clear. The Islamofascist bastards will murder you and your children in your homes, at school, at work, in the public square. They will stop at nothing. They will use every weapon at their disposal. They are totally ruthless. They cannot be appeased or reformed.

Let's stop pretending. They've got to be killed.

298 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:47:57am

#279 Oh fer chrissake knock it off.

299 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:47:58am

#284 Alegrias

but the right response is courage

Not at all.
The right answer is to be ten thousand times more barbaric that these muslim dogs.
When they will fear us this shit will end, not a second before.
And our compassionate Prez is not going to scare them, nor is Blair nor anyone else.

If we don't terrorize them they have won.
Take it to the bank.

300 RebTex  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:48:22am

Ya'll don't forget a bit of REALLY good advice:
You can't get ahead of someone you're trying to get even with.
.
.
.
.
When we quit sanctioning the acceptance of islomaniacs...
When we STOP allowing the marriage of moslims to our children...
When we stop over looking their gang mentality & deal with them as they deserve...
.
.
.
THEN we can get ahead.

301 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:48:40am

Has anyone blamed Karl Rove yet?

302 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:48:58am

#288 mbruce

Hate leads to the dark side,it does,young jedi.Outrage and disgust are acceptable though.

303 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:01am

#232 legalbgl

Perhaps you need to learn to write. "NUKE IT ALL" doesn't negate the rest of your post, I'm afraid.

304 MinnesotaLoon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:02am

#291 hurricane_jimmy

How pathetic. They actually believe they carried out a military attack.

Spineless cowards who hide beneath a rock and slither out to conduct their sick "duty" in the name of their god.

That's what jumped out at me, too. Calling it a "military attack" is obscene. They are utter cowards, always have been.

305 mustrum  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:30am

Another message of peace from the RoP...

Bless the people of London and the UK, and death to the Jihadi asshats.

306 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:40am
307 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:42am
308 RebTex  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:46am

Addendum to my #300
When I say marriage to our children, I'm speaking to the indoctrination in the schools, media, & daily life.
Not the literal marriage

309 Fed Up Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:46am

Lock and Load! Shot first and ask questions later!

FUCK! This pisses me off! And what makes me even madder is the damn sympathsizers that blame us for the terror attacks!

310 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:47am

The Brits have one of the worlds premier intelligence organizations and have THE premier counter-terrorist organization...and they are not hesitant to use either of them.

311 Mr. Neutron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:48am

I just emailed CAIR and asked for a copy of the press release condemning the attacks. No mention of it on their website of course.

312 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:53am

#279 Ed from Ohio

We're all mad today, Ed, but comments like that don't help the British, LGF or anybody else. If you've gotta vent, vent to a friend (who will slap you upside the head when they've had enough) or write it in your diary.

313 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:49:54am

On cue, here is George Galloway (via The Corner):

We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.
We urge the government to remove people in this country from harms way, as the Spanish government acted to remove its people from harm, by ending the occupation of Iraq and by turning its full attention to the development of a real solution to the wider conflicts in the Middle East.
Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence.

Osama couldn't have said it better.

314 brent  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:19am

Just curious, but did anyone think it was odd that the Israeli's were warned? I think that smells of conspiracy, but not the kind that immediately comes to mind...

I just wonder if, like on 9/11, the undertone of the Israelis knew, no jews went to work, etc is being planted here? My thought is that there's a side benefit of fanning some anti-semitic feelings with this tragedy.

Benefit from the point of view of a fanatic, not mine. Is that nonsensical? Crazy enough to make sense?

315 mbruce  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:41am

Thank you #302 oh wise master. I will do this "outrage" you speak of

316 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:45am

From Charles' link to the Europhobia blog.

14:05 - I tell you what, if this is an "Islamic" terrorist attack, they're doing a piss-poor job. The pubs are all packed out, people sipping their pints happily, all a tad pissed off, but basically fine with it. Nice one, Al Quaeda - you profess to be from a teetotal religion, and you've given the pub trade a massive mid-week boost. Result.

Ah, true Brit grit and humour on the darkest day for London in some time... G*d bless this little island.


SH!T! On the BBC now Brian Paddick (Met commander) claiming that there is no link between terrorism and Islam "as he understands it". Scary stuff! Time to introduce him to JihadWatch methinks. Idiot.

317 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:46am

Trust this canard to start circulating in L3 circles (if it hasn't already begun):

"The gov't is at fault because police personnel was pulled from the Metropolitan area to protect the G8 summit in Scotland"

when in fact there was 31,000 police officers on duty in London.

318 scoreboard44  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:52am

Good Morning!

So...whats happening in the world?

Just Kidding.

Muslim scholars move to curb fatwas

A start?

319 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:15am

[bigoted word]

320 Desert Storm Vet I  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:24am

God Bless Great Britian, the British people, and their resolve for swift & hard justice against the scum that did this (including the LLL Moonbat that support the scum).

Fry the f*cking bastards!

321 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:39am

If I were British, I'd be tempted to lead a march on Captain Hook's mosque. Except the average British citizen is unarmed, and the Mudslimes inside might not be unarmed.

322 I've had a Gutful  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:41am

#263

Soulbrother.

323 keyword  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:46am

"London Calling" --The Clash

London calling to the faraway towns
Now war is declared, and battle come down
London calling to the underworld
Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls
London calling, now don't look to us
Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust
London calling, see we ain't got no swing
'Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing

The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear era, but I have no fear
'Cause London is drowning, and I live by the river

324 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:48am
im hoping to see muslims being dragged out into the streets and beaten.

Rhetorical excess is to be expected on a day like this, but that kind of incendiary rhetoric is not very helpful.

325 CyberOptimist  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:49am

This just in...John Kerry says the terrorist attack is just a nuisance.

/sarcasm off

326 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:51:54am
A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said recent intelligence indicated that London was considered a prime target for Islamic extremists in part because Al Qaeda was having difficulty getting people into the United States.
327 big L  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:02am

Hamza on trial.
Blair support weak, the media say.
G-8 in UK.
Strike while iron hot.
When I have been in London the security on tube and bus have been tight. Everyone watches for unattended packages,luggage.
I think there might have been splodeydopes around on these bombings or the package
magnetized and placed in hidden areas or disguised as a strut or part of the vehicle.
Because of IRA problems, Londoners are way too sensitized to left luggage or packages.

Sure hope the Uk doesn't pull a Zapazero and put their hands up in surrender like the
Spaniards did.

328 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:21am

#313 Solomon X

Oh well, we've always known Galloway is nothing but a Dhimmi tool.

In a crisis like this he's about as useful as an extra appendix.

329 Luigi  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:24am

Brian Paddock of the Metropolitan Police in the press conference on tv just gave the most extreme dhimmi statement I have ever heard. When asked if there was even a suggestion of an Islamic link he went off the handle about there is no such thing (to paraphrase him) as Islamic terrorism and how terrorism and Islam are pretty much opposites. It sounds like they are incapable of following the investigation wherever it leads.

330 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:51am

#302 the ganjahideen:

Hate leads to the dark side,it does,young jedi.Outrage and disgust are acceptable though.

Actually:

Hate leads to anger.

Anger leads to suffering.

You know who need to suffer right about now.

331 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:54am

# 66 lawhawk

It soulds like the jihadis may finally bring the left together with the right against them.

Martyrdom: Lethaly f**king stupid.

332 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:52:55am

#313 Solomon X:

Osama couldn't have said it better.

I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway ran the draft statement by his buddy for comments, actually.

333 mightmakesright  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:03am

"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
W.C. June 4, 1940 House of Commons.

334 Leper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:11am

Middle America better brace themselves. I predict multiple terrorist events in places like The Mall of America (Minnesota). They will try to show that no one is safe in America, regardless of where they live. Given that, you're gonna see the Red States get really Red as they are the wrong crowd to pick on.

335 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:11am

#10 Jeff R

I doubt we will see a repeat of Spain. The Brits actually have some brass, and Blair is no pussie.

336 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:12am

Cry for Mother England.

Pray that she remains strong and resolute, and remembers her history: "when once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane."

May God damn the moslem terrorists and their supporters to hell for all eternity.

337 AG in Houston  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:14am

Ed in Ohio

Please stop.

339 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:53:49am

#329 Luigi:

I saw that too.

He didn't sound too convinced, to be honest. I think he was made to say that, despite his own feelings.

340 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:54:07am
341 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:54:25am

I'll bet Karl Rove gets blamed for this somehow.

342 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:54:40am

#326 Renna

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said recent intelligence indicated that London was considered a prime target for Islamic extremists in part because Al Qaeda was having difficulty getting people into the United States.

That came to my mind almost immediately after I heard the news. There's no doubt that terror attacks are taking place in Europe because they are much softer targets and there is a much larger ME population to blend into.

343 Rancher  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:54:55am

Allah Akbar. Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. Your representatives in London have again shown the world what the Religion of Pieces is all about. Oh yes, now tell us how they are a small minority and do not represent true Islam. We will tell you that we are out there listing to your preaching in the Mosques and teachings in the Maddrasas and we are no longer fooled. Those Muslims that don’t support this dare not sound off for fear of their lives. That is not the behavior of a minority.

344 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:00am

#302 The Ganjahedeen, fortunately I need not your philosophy or instruction. I have the words of King Solomon:

Ecclesiastes 3:8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
345 beblebrox  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:02am

Hey guys. I haven't been around in a while (work has kept me away) but let me say that if there ever was a time for the Prevention of Terrorism Act to be legitimately be used it would be now at Finsbury Park Mosque.

346 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:10am
We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.

Classic Arabist mentallity. You will notice that at no time does George Galloway ever consider radical Islam as one of "the causes of such violence". Just how far is he willing to stick his neck out for them? Far enough that one of them will lop it off some day, with any luck.

Sorry for being intemperate today, but I can't abide people who try to help their nation commit suicide.

347 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:16am

#314 brent:

My thought is that there's a side benefit of fanning some anti-semitic feelings with this tragedy.

Gee, ya think?

348 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:25am

Looks like the anti-semitic AP 'reporter' Amy teible made up the "israel knew" news story to make Israel look bad

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Israel denies 'early information' about attacks
Foreign minister refutes report that London embassy had advanced warning


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer


JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

349 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:42am

OR

people are angry pal. Let em vent. Right or wrong...let em vent. You Do know that this is what it's coming down to. Remember history. The Greeks sat in stupified horror at barbarity of it all. Civilized cultures reel away in horror when confronted by raw barbarism, and that is what defeats us. What WILL stop these goat molesters is if we come up with something so heinous to them, they'll reel back in horror! When you get on a hockey court, you better have a stick!(hel, I'm a good ol' boy from the south and I know that!)

350 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:43am
Now that they've gotten the same wake up call we did in America, it should change things.

Great, 2 whole weeks of a "galvanized" nation and then back to the usual bickering, then.

351 el presidente'  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:55:47am

Teach your children the truth about Islam,muslims.

Know Islam, Know Terror
NO Islam, NO Terror

Don't hold back, teach your children, how mohammed was a rapist,pedohile,murderer,thief. and that the muslims worship this, tell them that the muslims want to kill you because you are an infidel, tell them that it is a religion of satan, that it is a death cult.

Tell them that Islam is evil and that everything is else good. And that good will conquer evil.

Tell them not to be friends with muslims, for they are not to be trusted, because it is there religion to deceive. Tell them the truth about Islam and have them spread this truth, protect your children from this cult.

352 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:56:10am

#341 Ed from OH:

I'll bet Karl Rove gets blamed for this somehow.

i think you've somehow confused "Karl Rove" with "the Jews".

353 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:56:36am

grrr...

yeah. im a little pissed. is it that obvious.

354 Cappuccino  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:56:49am

Yes #8 (uptight) very good point. When it was Israelis - just regular men, women and children, being blown up, the language was that of sociology, when it's ones own the language is clear and biblically descriptive.

If all of us, could start thinking with the simplicity and moral clarity of even an uneducated mother instead of indulging into the mealy-mouth nonsense of the philosophers and sociologists, I'm certain we'd know what to do.

Many European parlamentarians, some even British, honored the likes of Arafat with minutes of silence. We honored a man who used children as ordinance delivery systems to kill other children. We embraced oblivion.

Some felt compassion immediately for the plight of Israeli citizens being blown up almost daily. There was no sociology involved.

Others unfortunately must learn compassion the hard way.

Evil (just another name for Islam) is very clever and dwells in the gray areas, in the euphemisms, in the wishful thinking areas, the self'delusions. It is quite perfect in many ways, because it hides behind innocence, challenging and taxing Judeo-Christian compassion, wisdom and restraint to the limit.

Evil has one great flaw. It can't help itself. It will teach even the most detached and aloof the "hard way"... Those who doubt, who aren't sure and who cling to compromise, will learn that "insurgents, shahada martyrs, militia groups" and suchlike are only murderers.

Islam again and again paints its own gray areas black.

355 MinnesotaLoon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:56:50am

#314 brent

Warnings to the Israelis have been denied, last I heard.

Anytime anything bad happens related to Islamic terrorism, it gets blamed on Israel and the Jews. The left have always hated Jews, always will and take every chance to insinuate their involvement with tragedies like today's.

So yes, something like a conspiracy is going on, one of bias and outright paranoid stupidity -- the left has to have someone to blame and they actually believe at least half of what they are saying.

356 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:56:54am

We all know radical islamists hold sway in England more than in the USA

they can get away with much more there than here

357 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:10am

#351:

Check. 's what I do.

but then, i live in Israel.

We know the enemy.

358 Fed Up Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:14am

Please try to attack the US! Please I beg you!

I'll just sign up for another tour and add to my CK!

I Hope others join in and volunteer their time and efforts. We need more than money and agreement. We need bodies kicking the crap out of other bodies and capturing these fuck heads.

And if you don't want to sign up or you can't, then start to be HEARD LOUDER than just the internet. Kick the crap out of the Terrorist Sympathsizers because they perpetuate the problem and give hope to their Cause! They are just as evil. Why else do you think they keep bombinh innocent people?

Please help the Free World! Stand up and start Truly Fighting The Enemy! The Enemy within is just as bad!

Don't Tread On Us!

359 bummer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:18am

Don't be surprised if some of the people that carried out these attacks were once GitMo detainees.

360 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:27am

#333 mightmakesright

I stole your Churchill post and posted it at an extreme dhimmi blog. Hope you don't mind.

361 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:49am

Well, this guy should count his blessings -

Brisbane man escapes London bomb blast

A Brisbane man who survived the Bali bombings almost three years ago has narrowly escaped one of the London bomb blasts - the one at King's Cross underground railway station.

...

"I got blown up in Bali and it just that all over again," said an emotional Mongan.

"I walked out of the Sari Club 10 minutes before the blast.

"I went through all of that, nowhere is safe anymore.

"Everywhere you go these days gets blown up by terrorists.

"What is this world coming too?"

362 Chairman Mow  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:57am

About a week after 9/11, I shared with my neighbor what I would do if the Rop ever harmed one hair on either my Wife or Daughter...he looked at me like I was a psycopath. Probably becasue he knew I meant every word that I said. Funny thing is, after almost 4 years I still feel exactly the same way.

Fair warning Muj. Never get between an an American MAN and his family.

363 ferris  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:57:59am

This is not an attasck on an ally, this is an attack on us. No doubt the left will bristle at this but the US owes it greatness to its Anglo-Saxon roots. The Brits are family. This isn't the same as an attack on any other ally (other than maybe Austraila and though they don't count as an ally anymore, Canada).

I rest a little easier knowing that President Bush was there and most likely one of the first things he said to the PM was something akin to, "Whatever you need from us you have".

Here's hoping that the Brits are still the Brits. The courage that saw them through The Blitz is in their DNA. There won't be any cutting and running ala' Spain.

We are with the Brits as they were with us:

Blair has said Britain stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the United States in this time of crisis, and reiterated his unequivocal backing for the U.S. and President George W. Bush when he opened the emergency session of Parliament.
-CNN 9/14/01

The rest (France, Germany, etc.) can go to hell.

364 Sean II  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:58:00am

One quote of significance:

People were evacuated immediately. I overheard one lady saying to a police officer that it looked like someone had left what looked like a brown jumper on the platform and it exploded.

365 whosoever  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:58:41am

#313 Solomon X
The culture we're at war with does not honor appeasement. For them to stop their aggression before total victory (i.e. truce) would count as shameful. Once they are shamed, they must have revenge (and so the circle continues).
Oh, and Galloway is a wanker.

366 alegrias  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:19am

#299 Poitiers Lepanto

Poitiers, our compassionate President Bush said courage is the right response to setbacks AND he has unleashed the greatest military power on two of these outposts of islamofascism. That's more than any other leader has done in a generation, and it's a damn good start.

What other elected or selected leader on Earth would take up this cause if not us? Putin? In the name of the rest of us?

367 bummer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:27am

Speaking of Churchill, I wonder if Ward is celebrating at this time.

368 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:37am

#343

If only the rank and file Muslims would speak up and denounce this sh*t, they would probably realize that the entire civilized world has their back. Unfortunately, they know full well that these militants mean what they say and act on what they preach.

If only our leftists and "moderate" bretheren were up to the task of dealing with the problems right under their noses...but they aren't, so we are fighting with one arm instead of two.

We will prevail, though, because a determined Western alliance led by a determined USA will always win.

369 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:39am

I have to get on the subway and go to work in a few minutes. Yes, I'm worried.

Hey, George, can we shove it up their ass and break it off NOW?

370 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:43am

#263 martel sobieski

Dayum.

You make me look cool, calm, and collected.

371 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:45am

Thanks to the MSM and the AP LIARS for immediately fanning the "hate jews first" flames with pure lies

How many will blame those who actually claimed guilt?

In a backwards world...

372 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:49am

Heres what I think Islam knows by now. TOO BIG an attack and there is a backlash against Islam. A measured attack by Islam brings just what they want. Blaming the Victim and the US and Israel and Jews.

Stephen Emerson says: It is either AlQuida or a group inspired by or linked to, or wannabe, AlQuida. Numerous CELLS in Europe..etc. Britain has cells and British Intelligence tho best in the World at watching Islam, nevertheless didnt catch this. Stephen Emerson says it is is "worrisome" that a action such as this, planned for at least one year, went off. Hes very concerned.

GREAT...Something snarky at the Rockville Metro Station .Dont know what YET.

373 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:59:58am

you know... I'm not angry about this.

I tend to get angry at liberals who become traitors, because they're supposed to be Americans.

I get angry at soldiers refusing to go to battle, because they're supposed to be soldiers.

I even get angry at baseball for not allowing the runners to keep their bat, to make the game more interesting.

but I don't get angry when AlQueda does more bombing... it is to be expected from such dreck.

Though I will get angry if the world does not bring about an end to AL Queda and their ilk.

374 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:05am

Unbelievable,I just heard a newsman call the terrorists cold-blooded killers.not freedom fighters.Will wonders never cease?

375 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:09am
376 mightmakesright  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:25am

9iron

Pass the word.
Let them hear.
This will stand no more.

377 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:48am

To all That are attending the 1st Annual Texas LGF meetup and BBQ, I'm heading to the motel in a little bit and enjoy the pool and wait for ya'll, YOU ALL will be safe here I promise.;-)

378 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:53am

#352 Golden Jerusalem

i think you've somehow confused "Karl Rove" with "the Jews".

According to the moonbat brigade, that's who Rove gets his marching orders from.

379 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:01:29am

#313 Solomon X

I see the slimy snake is the Neville Chamberlain of our times. "Give them what they want and they'll go away!" seems to be his only advice these days.

#323 keynote

So I'm not the only one who heard those first lyrics in their head when the first news came in. After "Rockin' the Casbah" and now "London Calling," I'm beginnin' to wonder if The Clash were trying to warn us through their music?

380 cthruu  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:01:50am

#46 big al

It did not take Kos kids to get the idea. here is a post from their thread:

Thanks Blair. You hitched your wagon to the
Bush debacle and this is the result. Of course
we're already hearing about the need for "resolve" in times like this. Quite frankly, I don't know how much more "resolve" the world can take.

381 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:01:50am

STFU Galloway!

382 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:00am
And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning.This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.

W. Churchill

383 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:05am

#355 MinnesotaLoon

It's called "framing the debate" which puts Israel on the defensive from the word go. The denials are never enough to overcome the allegations.

384 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:07am

"four confirmed explosions, 33 killed."
NBC

385 maf  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:17am

#50 Gang of One


Where are all those soccer hooligans?

Exactly.

Charles: The Union Jack would be a nice touch, with Ol'Glory.

/$0.02

386 kayawanee  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:23am

#319 lawhawk

Arab

Arab what?

387 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:24am

#342 not neo just conservative

There's no doubt that terror attacks are taking place in Europe because they are much softer targets and there is a much larger ME population to blend into.

Terrorism is designed to try to influence political situations.

Let's also not ignore the perception (set by Spain) that terrorism can influence governments to act in a manner that is in favor of the direction of the islamofascists.

Blair has been under pressure because of the poll numbers regarding WoT and there is the increased attention because of the G8.

I think that the islamofascists will be very surprised by the response of the British people to these attacks. Yes, idiots like Galloway will whinge on, but IMHO, the bulk of the British people will want to fight back hard.

388 jskern  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:02:50am

186 & 162

FYI: Those words about a "white horse" and "Hell" that Johnny Cash reads are from The Book of Revelation, as are all the allusions in the song he's singing, "When the Man Comes Along"--all about Christ and His Second Coming.

389 RebTex  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:17am

#349Pax
Rome wasn't built in a day...
Nor was it sacked in a day!
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March on Christian Soldiers
Marching as to War...

390 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:17am

AP "unidentified source" says ..

Actual source refutes what AP makes up

hm, whos lying?

391 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:29am

Now can we hear the end of Jack Straw and Tony Blair talkin' shit about Israel?

Now can we see the end of EU officials meeting with the killers from Hamas?

/nah, didn't think so

392 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:41am

'Nam

Check your email, please!

{Nam}

393 klaus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:56am

In League with the Enemy

Today is Britain’s 9-11.

Perhaps this might wake the slumbering in Europe.
Perhaps this might re-awaken the slumbering in the United States.

President Bush made his famous (some say infamous – I’ll address those people directly) statement, “…you are either with us, or with the terrorists.”

He sees the clear distinction between right and wrong.
No nuance. No “moral equivalence” arguments.
No. Instead – clarity.

If you voted for Kerry, and would still do so today, you are with the terrorists.
If you deride the President as unintelligent, you are with the terrorists.
I don’t see your sorry ass sitting at the desk in the Oval Office.

If you think this war on terror is a fraud, you are with the terrorists, you are with the “Fifth Column” undermining the leader of the Free World - The United States and you are an ignorant idiot. I don’t care what your “IQ” is. You are still an idiot.

These are times to separate the men and women of spine and spirit from the whipped and the weak.

If you think that these people who seek to destroy the United States and the rest of the civilized Western World can be appealed to, pacified, placated, and negotiated with, that they will go away and leave us alone if we “change our policy in the Middle East,” you are an idiot, you are ignorant of history, you are a coward, you are part of the domestic “Fifth Column,” and you are in league with the enemy.

You should not be patiently coddled along and understood.
You should be shunned by any friends and family which have sufficient spine and brain to stand up for their convictions. You should be divorced. You should deport yourselves to France, Sudan, Indonesia, etc. You should be stripped of your citizenship. You do not belong here.

Do the rest of us a favor – shoot yourself.

394 brad with one a  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:03:58am

Whay are there still muslims on earth?

395 Purple Fury  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:04am

Interesting read for people hoping for a Blitz-like response from the Brits from NRO/Corner's resident British ex-pat:

The interesting question now is: Will Britain do a Spain?

The popular answer at the moment is that they will not. The Brits will summon up the spirit of the Blitz, face up to the enemy fearlessly, and soldier on.

I don't feel at all sure about this, and if I had any money, would bet the other way.

The Blitz was an entirely different affair. A neighboring power was sending bombers over to break Britain's will, so that they could take the country over and run it as a satellite under puppet rulers, or as a province of their empire. So the British believed in 1940. The choice was to stand and fight, or go under. Of course, they stood and fought, fortified by a strong, proud sense of national and cultural identity.

Now, it may indeed be that the Jihadis think they can break Britain's will and take the place over. It may even be that they are right. Problem is, very few people in Britain believe this. The threat doesn't seem dire. We can deduce this -- the fact of the threat not seeming dire, whether it actually is dire or not can be deduced from the fact that extremists have not been interned or expelled, as would be done if Britons at large felt their nation under threat. They don't.

Derbyshire at NRO/Corner

396 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:07am

"The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position."

Amy, amy, amy - are you making this all up?

397 Bostonian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:18am

Do these a--holes really not understand that the ONLY reason that we have not turned all their home countries into glass is because WE ARE NICE?

"Burning with fear"? Gimme a break.

398 brent  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:33am

#355 - warnings denied...

That makes me the original report weirder. If they were reported to be warned, then who reported that? Did someone tip the news that the Israelis knew, or is that just "how they roll" - eg, is that the first thing the news could come up with?

If so, screw them. Sorry for the tragedy we're about to present, but maybe you can take some of it out on the Israelis.

My prayers are with you in England, much luck today.

And screw Galloway, too - opportunist bastard.

399 MinnesotaLoon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:53am

#350 j-damn

Now that they've gotten the same wake up call we did in America, it should change things.

Great, 2 whole weeks of a "galvanized" nation and then back to the usual bickering, then.

Hey, it resulted in two wars, two democracies born and a lot of terrorist plots foiled, including a border crossing attempt from Canada. Bickering is an American tradition, our founding fathers used to rip each other on occasion. Then there was the Aaron Burr/Alexander Hamilton duel, talk about slanderous lies and political hatred, it doesn't get much worse than that.

It will last more than two weeks and will give enough political capital to Blair for what's needed.

400 Endangered in Mass  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:55am

Let's hope this unleashes their inner Winston Churchhill so that the British open a giant can of whoop ass on these evil bastards.

401 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:05:30am
402 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:06:14am

My email to CAIR:

It has been a few hours since your soldiers carried out actions against the citizens of London. Every website in the world is talking about it. BUT, I go to your site and its as if it didnt happen.

Of course you will not release a statement claiming responsibility, which I believe rests with your group, as well as many other groups actively supporting terrorists. But you could at least put up a fake apology on your site, for the actions of your underlings.

Youre lucky. The world isnt waking up the way I hoped they would. But those who are awake now are getting stronger every day. Before too long we will be in enough important seats of power, that we will be able to remove your threat from our lands. And most likely remove your threat from your lands as well.

You harm your own people by the hundreds of millions every minute of every day. You are a much bigger threat to muslims than you are to me and mine. But that you threaten us at all is too much. We arent weak and afraid like those living under your fist.

You wont win. And we are killing so many of your people all over Iraq and Afghanistan, there arent any of those virgins left for your barbaric [bigoted word] soldiers.

403 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:06:15am

#387 Athos:

I think that the islamofascists will be very surprised by the response of the British people to these attacks. Yes, idiots like Galloway will whinge on, but IMHO, the bulk of the British people will want to fight back hard.

I agree. The British have more backbone than the Spanish, IMO.

I look forward to a nationwide response.

404 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:06:46am
“the heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west.”


-- Al-Qaida in Europe

“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said the statement, translated by The Associated Press in Cairo.


-- al-Qaida in Europe

#89 legalbgl
"Its time for the President and PM Blair to come to the realisation that its time to save American and British lives and return our troops to their homes."

No. This sounds, unfortunately, like shilling for Al-Qaida in Europe, although that was not your intention. There has to be both an offense and a defense. A war cannot be won by remaining on the defense. In any war, an attack by the enemy against the rear is no reason to abandon the front.

The offensive war against the global jihad has at least two components. One is to go after the terrorists and their supporters. The other is to "drain the swamp" -- to make changes in the Muslim world, to eliminate the pathologies in the Muslim world that facilitate the rise of an islamifascist mentality and a jihad-proneness mentality. The islamifascist mentality is being fought by the wars to install democracy in the Muslim world.

In any case, the jihad-lust genie is out of the bottle and it will not be put back by wishing it away or cowering. If you are attacked, it is best to fight back.

405 zelda  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:07:10am

I am curious, whatever action was taken when recently a crowd gathered in London hollering kill Blair, kill Bush, bomb the US? Where any of these people arrested? Was there any outrage in London over that display? Can't let it go unanswered--that type of rhetoric is not free speech. Didn't the new President of Iran say something last week that this is the type of incident he intended to be supportive of? Sickening.

406 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:07:25am

#397 Bostonian ,

No, they don't no one respects nice people or restraint - if anything it shows weakness and an unwillingness to actually punish what they do so guess what they keep on doin it

407 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:07:36am
408 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:08:06am

# 196 mbruce

Calling them animals is a diservice to animals. I love my dog.


I don't call them men, I call them anti-men, or anti-human beings.

409 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:08:25am

First I would like to offer my condolences to the people affected by this atrocity.

The bombers attacked without discrimination whether it be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Seikh or Hindu.

4 areas have been attacked including Edgware Road one with a massive Muslim & Arabic population. Already Church men & Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

410 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:08:46am

Check out the forum to the BS story by AP on the "Jews knew first"

[Link: post.news.messages.yahoo.com...]

411 Bubbaman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:09:05am

I know that I'm late to this thread and my heart goes out to all those who have been murdered or injured.

But, how are the Londoner's/Brits going to protect themselves when the government took all of their guns away?

412 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:09:39am

#387 Athos

I absolutely agree with your post. My comment and yours are not mutually exclusive. I certainly didn't mean to allude that European targets were low-value. My point was that the Great Satan is the United States, and if "Al-Qaida Martyrs in Newark" or some such other lunatic group could pull off spectacular kills, resulting in lots of dead Americans, inside of America, that is what they would be doing.

Their primary enemy is the US and pulling off a raid deep inside territory held by your enemy is a massive morale booster for your side and a massive morale crusher for the opposition.

The reason they are pulling off these attacks in Europe is because they can. The reason they are not pulling off attacks in the US is because they cannot, at least for now. I expect that there will be other hits inside the US, but so far...knock on wood...there haven't been any.

413 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:10:27am

As a side consideration, I noticed that the blown bus has its roof and back completely stripped off, but the upper deck floor is still mostly in place. In my opinion, the charge (or the splodey) detonated in the rear part of the upper deck. It makes sense, because it's the part of the bus less visible to the driver (London buses use a system of mirrors, and more recently CCTV to allow the driver surveil the inside of the vehicle).

414 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:10:40am

NK4P

Already Church men & Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

Please provide link to the Islamic outrage at this attack.

415 Ferris Bueller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:10:43am

Let me see if I get this.

Al-Qaeda set off the bombings in London and Madrid to drive Britain and Spain out of Iraq.

But, according to the left, Iraq has nothing to do with the War on Terror.

So, if Iraq has nothing to do with Terrorism, why do the terrorists want us out of there?

Also, I think we all make a mistake when we assume that terrorists kill as a means of advancing a political goal. I think it's more true that terrorists are sociopathic butchers who use political goals to rationalize mass murder.

416 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:10:53am
417 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:10:58am

389 Rebtex

no, but it DID crumble from within from corruption and people who wanted to undo the culture...

we better have both eyes open on this stuff!

418 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:11:36am

Will the 5th column wak up now? Or will this be blamed on Bush being in the country?

419 JohnConnor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:11:38am

I've been listening to a Scotland Yard press conference live on BBC radio. A reporter asked Asst Police Commisioner Brian Paddock if the police thought 'Islamic Terrorists' were responsible. Paddock replied that the words 'Islamic and Terrorist should never be put together' because 'as I understand it', Islam is against all forms of violence and the people responsible are not representative of real Islam...

Sigh.

Doesn't anyone at Scotland Yard have a copy of the Koran?

420 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:11:52am

#411 BubbaMan

But, how are the Londoner's/Brits going to protect themselves when the government took all of their guns away?

Uh, they're not?

421 Dave the.....  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:12:35am

#410 Mglazer


V

The Israelis are pretty smart, getting America to fight its enemies for them.
American blood is cheaper than that of an Israeli, as a matter of fact they believe that the life of a Jew is worth those of 1,000 non-Jews (per Babylonian Talmud).


What a horrible site. It's hard to believe this stuff exists yet today.

422 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:12:39am

#409 NK4P

Already Church men & Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

Color me unimpressed. "Leaders in the Muslim community" always put out this boilerplate "we condemn terrorism" crap. It's important to look at who they blame to see where they stand. If they blame their co-religionists for this, pigs will fly. They will blame the foreign policies of the US and UK, guaranteed.

423 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:12:42am

Thanks to the Amy Teible Jew Libel in the AP and thus the MSM including a red headline on Drudge

Some comments on the yahoo news site

"WHY DOES ISRAEL ALWAYS KNOW IN ADVANCE?"

"Blame the Jews"

"Zionists more important than Londoners"


[Link: news.messages.yahoo.com...]

424 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:12:55am

the sick mother fuc*** at DU are already blaming Bush and Blair for this.

I despise these people.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

425 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:13:26am

#421 Dave the... ,

that's the yahoo news forum

426 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:13:43am

#419 JohnConnor

Doesn't anyone at Scotland Yard have a copy of the Koran?

Only the ones that CAIR sent them.

427 coulterclone  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:13:50am

They didn't attack Edgeware Road because there were "massive" numbers of A-rabs and Islamidiots there..They attacked Edgeware Road because it is a key location. They would consider the Muslim dead collateral damage who will be "honored" as martyrs anyway. Except I'll be willing to bet that not one A-rab has been killed.

If it's so great to offer their lives up to Allah (panties be upon him) then why do so many of them run like cowards? If it were legal, I'd be happy to shoot them all in the back as they run.

428 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:13:54am

#402 JustDanny:

My email to CAIR:

I'm guessing you are NOT going to make it onto the CAIR Ramadan card list this year... heh.

429 neturei_karta_4_peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:14:29am
Check out the forum to the BS story by AP on the "Jews knew first"

Oi dickhead its normal for the police to warn embassies if their a terrorist attack and since Israel will be having diplomats such as Netanyahou visit. This story is completetly accurate and confirmed by the police.

430 Big Al  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:14:32am

GALLOWAY’S GASEOUS REACTION [John Hood]
Of course, the nauseating MP George Galloway already has a statement out that calls for Britain to respond to the London attacks by fleeing Iraq:
We extend our condolences to those who have lost their lives today and our heartfelt sympathy to all those who have been injured by the bombs in London.

No one can condone acts of violence aimed at working people going about their daily lives. They have not been a party to, nor are they responsible for, the decisions of their government. They are entirely innocent and we condemn those who have killed or injured them.

The loss of innocent lives, whether in this country or Iraq, is precisely the result of a world that has become a less safe and peaceful place in recent years.

We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.

We urge the government to remove people in this country from harms way, as the Spanish government acted to remove its people from harm, by ending the occupation of Iraq and by turning its full attention to the development of a real solution to the wider conflicts in the Middle East.

Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence.

431 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:15:50am

#397 Bostonian

Well, you have to understand the islamofacist mindset that mercy is weakness. They interpret diplomacy as merely a cover for stabbing the other party in the back. They can't understand why we refuse to answer their attacks by turning the Middle East into a lake of fire, something they would happily do without hesitation if given the chance.

432 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:15:51am

Given the Muslim population in London, I can venture that at least a few of them probably died in the attacks. But as we know, that's no concern for the jihadis.

433 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:16:15am

#401 american infidel.

i enjoy unbridled ranting, especially when truthful and honest.

as far as im concerned, sobieski can let it fly.

i agree with him.

434 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:16:53am

#409 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace, your Church men & Muslim leaders condemn me to death for believing that Jesus Christ was crucified. So much for any other condemnation they belch out taqiyah style.

435 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:00am

#429 neturei_karta_4_peace

why exactly are you here? If it's to apologize for the terrorists the STFU. If it's to egg us on, the STFD. Either way just leave, for the sake of your nic alone.

436 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:03am
moonbat_4_peace muttered: Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

Evidence? Preferably a link.

RoP *spit* qualified condemnations will be regarded as more of the usual al-taqqiya. *spit*

Show me the Muslim "leaders" offering help tracking down these animals?

437 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:08am

#410 mglazer
Checked out that post. Man that is sad, everything that happens blame it on the Jews. The useful idiots on the left and thier defacto islamofacist allies use the same talking points, stage the attak then float the lie that the jews knew about it beforehand. I see you leftist islamofacist ho's working. Nice job bitches!

438 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:14am

I just sent this e-mail to the LLLoonies at the BBC:

Firstly, I'd like to extend my sincere condolences to the people of London.

To the BBC, reporting these events, strangely reminiscent of scenes played out over the years in Haifa, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, I wonder:

What caused the BBC to refer to the London attacks as the work of "terrorists", when the term normally used would be "militant" attacks?

I'm just wondering if you can explain that to me.

I suspect you can't, but I suggest that next time a "militant" murders innocent Israelis in a bus you go ahead and call him a terrorist.

439 Ferris Bueller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:23am
Color me unimpressed. "Leaders in the Muslim community" always put out this boilerplate "we condemn terrorism" crap.

Why is it when the KKK says, "We don't hate Black people, we just want to celebrate white culture," the MSM just sneers, "Yeah, right."

But whenever a Muslim says, "Of course, we condemn terrorism" and "Jihad is a personal struggle," the MSM nods approvingly and says, "See, Islam has nothing to do with terrorism."

440 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:30am

The Left anti-semites have two standard first-line responses to an attack by mujahadeen: (1) the Jews were in on it, and/or (2) the Jews provoked it.
That was the BS that appeared in the wake of 9/11.Same here.

They will resort to blaming this on: the Zionists, Bush, America, Blair -- anybody but the jihadi terrorist movement that carries out, plots, acquires arms, funds, and recruits for jihadimassacres.

441 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:58am

#430 Big Al

Slimy Galloway avoid to use "but" - still, his statement is a big "We condemn the terrorists BUT ..."

442 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:18:00am

It looks like Britain needs to turn over a few rocks, erradicate some rats nests, and other forms of pest control. I would start in Chiselhurst if I were them.

But they won't have the stones to do anything politically incorrect, I'm afraid.

443 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:18:06am

409

The bombers attacked without discrimination whether it be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Seikh or Hindu.


and you know this how? or are you just talkin out of you a*s again? Please, no one believes your bullsh*t here!

444 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:18:41am

#412 nnjc

The reason they are not pulling off attacks in the US is because they cannot, at least for now. I expect that there will be other hits inside the US, but so far...knock on wood...there haven't been any.

The model of attack we've seen today, as well as on 3/11 in Madrid is likely the type of attack that we will see in the US - when and if they can.

I agree that the large number of muslims in Europe, and the general attitude of PC (ie no profiling), provides not only cover to hide in but also a ready supply of local recruits.

Unfortunately, I do think that it is inevitable that they will try to pull of these attacks in our cities. That shouldn't affect us in any way, except to increase our resolve to defeat islamofascism and the nations (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia) that actively support these groups.

445 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:18:53am

Bushitler/Karl Rove Did It - Daily Kos

I think people completely underestimate the level of arrogance, viciousness and contemptuousness of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/et. al.If it was truly an Al Quaida terrorist attack, does anyone believe they'd plan "minimal harm" bombings for "effect"? Not their modus operandi--they get their effect by maximizing carnage.
The MSM now has this to report on instead of treasonous Karl... whew, and I bet they are glad...
No one wants to think about the unthinkable, unspeakable, UNIMAGINABLE things this evil administration could do, and really, I can't blame them.
given Bushco's plummeting poll numbers, numerous Bushco scandals coming to light, etc., it makes a lot more sense that this was a Bushco operation, via CIA or hired mercs.
CIA? Or Bushco via hired mercs?It's just too pat and perfect. It gives Bush/Blair everything they want/need to counter growing unrest with their policies and actions.Couldn't "Al Quaida takes credit and warns other nations" be easily fed to Al Jazeera by pretty much anyone?
446 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:18:55am

"My fellow citizens. Our nation has been brutally attacked. Rest assured we will do all in our power to prevent another attack. In this regard, I have instructed our Foreign Minister Mr. Jack Straw to begin talking again. A solution to the central dipuste in the world today (and we know what that is) must be found, and found quickly."

/what Blair would have said had he been injected with truth serum before his address to Londoners.

447 SoCalJustice  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:19:01am

Reuters helps Hamas (again):

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks on Israelis, condemned the London bombings.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau told Reuters in Damascus by telephone.

He said what?

Thanks, Reuters.

London bombings evoke sympathy in Middle East

448 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:19:03am

#437 Black George Bush ,

What's even more sad is that that is a mainstream news site - yahoo - those are mostly 'educated' Americans

This sort of thing is once again acceptable mainsteram thoughts and beliefs - that can't lead anywhere good

449 AngryDumbo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:19:16am

An alternate theory. Terrorism exists because terrorism works.

Comments from John Derbyshire at NRO:
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

The interesting question now is: Will Britain do a Spain?

The popular answer at the moment is that they will not. The Brits will summon up the spirit of the Blitz, face up to the enemy fearlessly, and soldier on.

I don't feel at all sure about this, and if I had any money, would bet the other way.

The Blitz was an entirely different affair. A neighboring power was sending bombers over to break Britain's will, so that they could take the country over and run it as a satellite under puppet rulers, or as a province of their empire. So the British believed in 1940. The choice was to stand and fight, or go under. Of course, they stood and fought, fortified by a strong, proud sense of national and cultural identity.

Now, it may indeed be that the Jihadis think they can break Britain's will and take the place over. It may even be that they are right. Problem is, very few people in Britain believe this. The threat doesn't seem dire. We can deduce this -- the fact of the threat not seeming dire, whether it actually is dire or not can be deduced from the fact that extremists have not been interned or expelled, as would be done if Britons at large felt their nation under threat. They don't.

To the British, jihadism is just a nuisance -- as the IRA was in the 1970s-1990s... and, come to think of it, as Hitler was in 1938. How do the British instinctively react to this kind of (as they perceive it, rightly or wrongly) non-nation-threatening nuisance? They appease it. They pay the Dane-geld.

All the fine words we are hearing about "not giving in to terror" sound very grand. Yet in fact, the last terror campaign in Britain -- the one run by the IRA -- was very successful. Gerry Adams is not dead; he is riding around in chauffered limousines, paid for by the British taxpayer. The IRA front party, Sinn Fein, is doing very well in elections all over Ireland, North and South. Tony Blair sold out to them completely, with the entire approval of the British public.

If it's solely up to Tony Blair, Ken Livingstone, and the rest of the Brits (I'll make a few exceptions, but they are not very important), Osama bin Laden will be riding around in a chauffered limousine ten years from now, and having tea with the Queen. Fortunately America's in the fight too... and I very much hope that word "fortunately" is not just wishful thinking on my part...

450 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:19:41am

Ignore the troll.

It's been active since this story broke.

451 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:19:53am
4 areas have been attacked including Edgware Road one with a massive Muslim & Arabic population. Already Church men & Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

Yeah, in English. What the 'Muslim leaders' are saying in Arabic, Urdu, Hindi, or Bengali is a better indication of their true sentiments.

Time and translations will tell.

452 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:20:03am

The Root Cause of Terrorism is its Success

Once you negotiate with kidnappers - guess what - kidnappings will continue

453 Bill Jefferson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:20:31am

I for one would like to thank the terrorist a***s who claimed responsibility, because they clearly tied it to military presence not just in Iraqinam, but also in Afghanistanmire. This also helps show (as if anyone here was unclear) where the Kosmunists and DUche bags who blame BushBlairRoveHitlerburton really stand: Not just no justice for the Iraqi people, but no justice for the American people against the Taliban allies and defenders of our attackers (and of course no liberation for Afghanis).

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed

The terrorists cannot speak for the people in those countries because the people in those countries are not permitted, after long being denied, to speak for themselves.

454 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:21:17am

#386 kaywanee:

It was a glitch in the Matrix. I accidentally hit post - a complete posting came later (about al Jazeera's coverage).

455 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:21:20am

#323

What the f*ck do the lyrics of "London Calling" have anything to do with the current situation?

456 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:21:39am

#404 EE

Amen.

von Clauswitz wrote that you can't fight a moral war. You can't fight a war where you use "proportionate" force. War is always a savage enterprise. The one who loses is the one who loses his will to fight.

The way to beat these bastards is quite simple - place them under such a deluge of violence, carnage and death that they will know that Allah is powerless and has abandoned them. When they lose faith in Allah is when they will lose their will to fight.

457 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:21:49am

Fascist Party for the UK

Fuck-faces at LGF this is the party you can get in contact with. Who support your vigilantie attacks on those 'brown people' who may be behind this.

458 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:00am

#409 neutered_commie_4_peace

The bombers attacked without discrimination whether it be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Seikh or Hindu.

Yeah, kumba-fucking-yah.

On yer bike, mate.

459 jagan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:07am

I bet that this has to do something with the huge Pakistani, Bangladeshi population Britian is infected with.

Wherever there is a terror attack, there's a Pakistani connection.

460 Psyduck  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:11am

If there ever was a cause for full "fuck you" mode on the machine.

guantanamo here you come...

461 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:18am

I've been on the phone. And I have not heard from any of my family in England. I have some who do live in London and just outside but work in London.

I posted this early this morning, prescient I think. It was a post that was generated in response to something Rayra had just posted.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Their nests are everywhere. Insidiousness just like a creeping virus. They've deliberately spread out across this country into as many small towns as big ones. The smaller towns are less prepared for the kind of assault we're facing, as they don't have the personnel or resources. It's deliberate. There are probably
thousands of enclaves, safe houses and banks all over this country from one end to the other.


They know where the food supplies come from, our water sources...they are very patient and willing to wait for how ever long it takes.
You're right. Time has passed in talking about or to these people. It's time for more preparedness.

I've not read any of the threads yet, have we heard from any of our British posters as John in London or Colt?

462 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:18am

#424 Ed from Ohio

Of course they will blame Bush and Blair. These are the same L³ wankers that blamed the US for the 9/11 attacks - diminish the 9/11 attacks, and regularly insult the memory of those murdered on 9/11.

But, let's not question their patriotism. {spit}

463 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:20am

I hope the British will wake up and smell the awful stench of the "mult-culti" lie they've been fed for years -- and reject it.

Steps need to be taken.

464 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:30am

#447 SCJ:

London bombings evoke sympathy in Middle East

Oh, I have no doubt of that. But sympathy with whom, that's the question.

465 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:31am

#428 Occasional Reader

The way I see it, I own CAIR. I of course dont operate CAIR or have any influence on their activities.

But I own them. All of us who know what they are, own them.

Think about it. We can turn them from enemy to friendly, just like Baghdad Bob. Cair is our Baghdad Bob. Baghdad Bob did'nt amount to shit when that tank drove up behind him.

466 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:38am

#366 Alegrias

I didn't mean to start a POLITICAL discussion for or against Bush, Blair (or you): what I mean is that we are not doing the only thing that will STOP the muslim dogs, and that is becoming a REAL, terrorizing power.

Destroy the iranian nuclear plants

Destroy all the Pakistani nuclear bombs

Intern all the muslims,

stop any muslim immigration,

hang the prisoners of Guantanamo,

fight to win

repay any attack on the West with indiscriminate attacks on any Iranian, Syrian, paleostinian military target for weeks and weeks

destroy any muslim media: radios, TVs, newspapers

send the fleet to protect the oil fields and the oil routes

answer to any further aggression with destructive power

counter attack with air strikes everywhere a muslim dare move (Thailand, Philippines etc)

make them understand worldwide that we are determined to bring them back to the stone age.

otherwise: they will go on and on until we are defeated.
There is no other way, all the rest is hot air.
They will complain forever about the American Imperialism: GIVE THEM SOME serious American Imperialism.

467 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:22:40am

nice money quote from al-reuters


'The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks on Israelis, condemned the London bombings.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau told Reuters in Damascus by telephone.'

468 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:23:09am

Have any links to non-qualified Muslim leader condemnations? Charles is usually good about posting about those in Islam brave enough to condemn these actions without reserve.

All we usually hear are those that end in "but", or denial-condemnations where they admit the act is horrendous then deny any Muslim could have committed it in the name of Islam so it must have been someone else, or self-centered condemnations where they are not mad at the terrorists for killing people but for hurting their cause.
my earlier reply

469 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:23:24am

Uh-oh, the neutered commie got his feelings hurt. He's lashing out.

470 Ed from Ohio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:23:47am

# 445 padikiller

please tell me your kidding. that can't be a real post.

is it iowahawk?

tell me it's not real!

471 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:23:59am

Paxynhynm brings up a good question, Neturei;

You know this HOW exactly? Quotes? links? References to websites?

And what good does it do for "churchmen" to condemn this atrocity? Were they the ones responsible? Was it the Kung Fu Episcopal Bishops who set the bombs, or the Holy Order of Mutant Leper Knights of King Baldwin IV?

Vickie (if you are reading this): I'm afraid you may have been right the other day when you said there was nothing Islam could do that could get it condemned at this point!

472 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:24:00am

Charles,

Clean-up on aisle 457 please.

473 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:24:06am

#449 AngryDumbo

I'm with derbyshire.

Look for a ramp-up of the appeasement mode.

474 Eagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:24:13am

Need I post the moonbat take on this? Does Turban Durban believe this atrocity would have been prevented by adjusting the AC level in Guantanamo Bay?

I feel sick, enraged for many reasons. One reason is that in upcoming months we'll start hearing conspiracy theories about who was behind this. And the MSM will give it front page.

475 7000 romaine  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:24:17am

time fo pope benedict to hold a council in claremont and call for a "bellum sacrum"

476 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:24:19am

#461 quark2:

I've been on the phone. And I have not heard from any of my family in England.

Our thoughts are with them.

I have not been able to get a call through to London yet. Heard from some friends by e-mail, all okay. One though has not checked in, and I can't get a call through.

477 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:25:10am

The followers of the child rapist camel robber (shit be upon him) have been busy today.

The killed the Egyptian ambassador to Iraq

In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful

Oh God, make our aiming precise and our feet steadfast

Praise be to God, the Lord of all peoples. Those who fear and worship God shall enjoy the good ultimate prize. Only transgressors deserve agression. Peace and blessings be on the Imam of the Mujahideen, our prophet, Muhammad and on his family and companions.

Our method in dealing with the regimes and those who control the necks of the nation is that they are are infidels and apostates, who stepped out of the circle of Islam as they and those who follow them commit many violations against Islam.

The most significant of those violations is that they have ruled by not what God ordained and relied on man made constitutions and took the enemies of God as their friends and the friends of God as their enemies.

Amongst the first to wage this war against Islam and Muslims is the Egyptian regime for many decades. We ask: who killed Syed Qutub, may God bless his soul; Who killed Khaled ISlamboli, may God bless his soul and those who were with him because they killed the tyrant, Anwar Sadat.

The prisons of Egypt are full with Mujahideens. The Egyptian courts that rule by not what God ordained, have sentenced many of those who engage in monotheism to death. Among them is our sheikh, Ayman Alzawahiri, may God protect him.

The great conspiracy of the infidels against our Jerusalem emanated from that regime.

The first to obey the crusaders and to disobey God by sending the first ambassador of the country in compliance with the orders of the crusaders (is Egypt)...

478 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:26:04am

#472:

Clean-up on aisle 457 please.

Yeah, has been reported. I suggest you go ahead and e-mail Charles about this piece of shit as well.

479 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:26:20am

I sent an e-mail to my consulate telling them that I am safe & sound - don't want to end up in a list of missing persons or what.

Bus services are slowly resuming, and limited Tube will resume tomorrow morning, they say.

480 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:26:34am

#457 Neutered Krap 4 Appeasement:

Who support your vigilantie attacks on those 'brown people' who may be behind this.

You're saying brown people did this?! Racist scum, take a hike.

481 Dave the.....  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:26:37am

So the someone on the Yahoo forum says only 2 Jews were killed on 9/11 even though thousands worked in the buildings.

So who maintains the checklist of Jews? Does it include ethnic/non-practicing Jews? What kind of notification system do they have?

As a member of the VRWC, how come I am not in on this?

482 jouth  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:26:58am

Statement on London Bombings by Roger Knapman MEP

07-07-2005


The UK Independence Party Leader, Roger Knapman MEP has condemned the London bombings, describing the perpetrators as "cowards who prey on innocent people".

Mr Knapman said: "I am sure that I speak for everyone in UKIP in sending heartfelt condolences to the relatives of those who have lost their lives. We would also send our best wishes to those who were injured. No one should have to endure these nightmarish experiences when simply travelling to work."

"I would like to commend the emergency services for their excellent work in dealing with these terrible events in their usual selfless and highly efficient way".
[Link: www.independenceuk.org.uk...]

483 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:27:03am

All -

Don't sell Tony Blair short. This is a man who is a far more effective political leader than any western politician today.

He will press the cause.

He will fight.

He will take the big risks.

He will lead.

484 Wino  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:27:26am

#377 Nam Grunt

Huh? Texas meetup? I sent you an email.

485 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:27:41am

#444 Athos

The model of attack we've seen today, as well as on 3/11 in Madrid is likely the type of attack that we will see in the US - when and if they can.

I think we'll eventually be hit again. I believe that there are only two reasons that we aren't being hit right now. The first and primary reason is the logistics and difficulty of carrying out such an operation in the US. The second is political. Support for the war, according to the pollsters anyway, is flagging. Bush's approval ratings, again according to the pollsters, is as well. There may be some concern on the part of of the Terror Leaders that an attack now might create an upswelling of approval for both the President and the War.

486 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:27:52am

#457 Neturei Karta

Bogus accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

487 RebTex  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:28:06am

#457 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace
You coran-sucking turd ball.
As you hide behind your "morals"
You're out in the open, now!
May your sons bear you no children & your daughters be prostitutes.
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Oh yea...Not all moslims are terrorists BUT
nearly all terrorists are moslims

488 Locrian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:28:15am

Wake up World! islam is at our doorstep. This evil cult must be eliminated before it gains a stronger foothold in all of our countries. Political correctness will be the death of us all!

489 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:28:20am

I'd suggest refraining from feeding the troll.

It's been at it over several threads all day.

I'm sure it'll be history as sure as Charles returns.

490 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:28:55am

Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

Fuck-faces at LGF this is the party you can get in contact with. Who support your vigilantie attacks on those 'brown people' who may be behind this.

As a far-leftie asshat or Muslim, one of which you obviously are. You have far more in common with the British Nazi Party.

491 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:28:56am
492 I've had a Gutful  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:29:02am

Get this bollocks:(no bullshit)

My local Mosque currently has an armed police guard!

For fucks sake, the police won't protect our own front doors from burgalry or personal attack -

There is some serious explaining to be done by our leaders and law enforcement chumps

493 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:29:07am

#457 You insensitive brainwashed scumbag,foad.

Charles,could you please delete the drool.

494 7000 romaine  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:29:19am

red ken--the mayor of londonistan is only pissed that the attack wasn't a "targeted attack" against the upper classes--he was outraged that ordinary working people were victims--maybe at ascot or in the city would be halal--nice to throw a little class warfare ino the moral equivalency mix ken--spit

495 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:29:30am

Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

496 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:29:36am
It will last more than two weeks and will give enough political capital to Blair for what's needed.

Please, Galloway can't even shut his hole for one whole DAY.

497 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:30:16am

I am angry, because none of this was necessary.
By opening the gates to the great unwashed and uneducated, we've allowed the barbarian into the house.
Kind of like allowing the fox to guard the hen house.

498 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:30:27am

#491 ph:

I am a pink person

I am what Crayola used to call "flesh-colored".

499 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:30:46am

480 Occasional


Neutered Commie is saying we hate "brown people", ie, we're racists.


We don't hate what Islam stands for because of 9-11, or Nick Berg getting his head cut off while he screams and the savages chant Allahu Akbar, or because of Bali, or bus bombings in Israel, or the trains blown up in Madrid.

We hate Islam because most of its practioners have better suntans than we do.

500 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:31:18am

#492 I've had a Gutful ,


Strange use of their resources when being attacked by those they are protecting - inverted reality check - anyone, anyone...

501 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:31:21am

One last attempt to reach the lost soul, them I'm giving up.

neturei,

These terrorists blew up human beings today.

As they have time and again, and as they swear they will always do, and you think we're upset with them over pigmentation? We are mad at the killing.

As if they are all brown. As if we are all not. As if even if they all were and we all weren't and that mattered an iota.

502 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:31:30am
moonbat_4_fascism vomited: F***-faces at LGF this is the party you can get in contact with. Who support your vigilantie attacks on those 'brown people' who may be behind this.

BNP fascists?
Fascism is Leftist, moron.
Contact them yourself, swampy.

503 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:13am

The radical leftist Ward Churchill wannabe, that calls itself Neturei_Karta-4-Peace flies under a false banner. The Neturei Karta is strictly an anti-Israel movement. Check its website.
[Link: www.nkusa.org...]
Neturei Karta is an anti-Israel movement of fanatically religious Jews who say that Israel cannot exist because the Jews must wait to defend themselves until the Messiah comes.

There is nothing on its website that deals with other wars, let alone the battle that the Left is waging against the West, in partnership with the radical Islamists. This troll is a liar, starting with its nic.

Why does this moron think that defending oneself against jihaditerrorism has anything to do with oppressing "brown" people? I am sure that there were Brits who were not white who were killed in the jihadimassacre. Just as there were non-whites who were killed in 9/11. Black, white, brown, yellow, red and every decent being must be united in opposing jihaditerrorism.

This POS seeks to divide the Dar al Harb along racial lines, in order to better conquer it. What a racist b*stard it is.

504 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:15am

#473 Maine's Michael

I see the British MSM taking and talking up that point. I envision more churlish statements from Galloway, and probably some from Livingstone, but I think that the government, and the bulk of the people in Britain will either handle this as they did during the IRA campaigns - stoic indiffernce - or they will be looking to hit back hard.

I hope that the response of the US and Britain are to hit back hard. In fact, the proper response would be to ensure that the islamofascists and the nations that facilitate and support then understand that this is a war and one that will not end until are utterly defeated.

505 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:25am

#492 Gutful:

My local Mosque currently has an armed police guard!

Not surprising. On the afternoon of 9/11 the big mosque on Embassy Row here in Washington Dc was guarded by police tactical teams.

506 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:37am

#164 legalbgl

You suggested pulling all our troops and people out of the ME and dropping nukes there.

Not only would that not stop terrorism, it would make this country a pariah state for as long as the country existed. And it would set a certain course of destiny toward the extinction of this nation.

The only way to attack terrorism is face-to-face. As the only nation on earth to explode a nuclear weapon in wartime, we have the absolute duty never to see them used again until every other single avenue of survival is explored.

If it comes to that, we will detonate before we give up our country. But the real danger is from within. Islam wants to absorb the West, the terror is just a part of the plan to make us want to accommodate them. The more accommodating, the more Muslims in the western democracies. The more Muslims, the more power.

At some point, the power equation balances in the favor of their religion, and that's when the real revolution begins. This is just the opening chapter, which is why people need to come to a clear understanding of what we need to do.

Which does not include kneejerk mass exterminations of Muslims. Genocidal acts are not the province of civilized nations.

507 Americain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:45am

#276 Poitiers-Lepanto

I am sorry but I have to tell you something...peaceful moderate muslims do not live in the Arctic and don't bring you gifts, it was me and you Mom who did it, to make you feel happy...you know, "peaceful moderate muslims" actually, ehr, they don't exist.

Are you telling me that Santa Claus doesn't exist?

It was you and Mom the whole time giving me all those neat gifts?

YOU LIED TO ME!

Next thing you know, you will tell me theres no tooth fairy!

I am very sorry, but your are a big boy now, you need to know this.

Thanks Pops. ;^)

BTW, I know perfectly well that there are no moderate, peaceful muslims.

I trust none of them.

I guess I should have put a sarc tag on that one line. I figured you all knew of my sarcastic nature.

508 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:33:24am

#505 Occasional Reader ,

"Protect that which has brought you harm and you be overwhelmed by your own ruin for all eternity"

509 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:33:35am

#498 OR

they did get rid of that name, didn't they...

They also got rid of Indian Red, saying that it might be construed as racist (even though the color was a reference to a dye used in India, not the color of the American Indians' skin.)

510 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:33:49am

#505 Occasional Reader ,

A clear sign of western weakness and moral decline

511 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:33:50am

#499 Ed:

Neutered Commie is saying we hate "brown people", ie, we're racists.

Yes, I know, I was just throwing it back at him/her/it.

512 montanapatriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:33:54am

#171 Spirit of 1683

Calling for Caesar and Scipio...I don't know-let's call for Sulla...he was a lot nastier. We need a mean son-of-a-bitch!

513 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:34:35am

I'm hearing stories that muslim market traders in Bradford (northern UK city, large RoP population) were seen celebrating in the streets today.

Time for a change...

BTW don't worry about the Brits 'doing a Spain'. Ain't in our nature.

514 kayawanee  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:34:49am

#454 lawhawk

#386 kaywanee: It was a glitch in the Matrix.

Oh, shit! That means something has changed, hasn't it? I hope I don't run into any brick walls! =)

515 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:35:14am
I think we'll eventually be hit again. I believe that there are only two reasons that we aren't being hit right now. The first and primary reason is the logistics and difficulty of carrying out such an operation in the US.

You don't need bombs to kill people in subways. I remember reading that al-Qaeda wanted to strike the New York and Washington subway platforms using firebombs.

The firebombs themselves may kill only a couple of indviduals, but the resulting stampede could kill hundreds.

516 Wino  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:35:27am

Can we break out the whoop a$$ now?

517 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:35:43am

#512 montana

I still say the best solution is to round up all the gangs, drop them in the muslim countires and tell them the muslims said something bad about their mother.

518 joshlbetts  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:35:59am

We need to annihilate or threaten to annihilate the islamic countries. Just like Germany and Japan circa WWII.

519 Bleeding heart conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:36:02am

Remember this?

Terror on the Dole
I hope the people of Britain do.

520 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:36:41am

Demonique de VillepinTM just stated that he was sorry about Paris not getting the 2012 Games...oh, and he appeared to be sorry about the terrorist attacks in London as well.

521 Abu Messerschmitt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:37:25am

From The Corner:

"Would it be inappropriate to point out that this is what the people in Gitmo would rather be doing?"

522 Patrizio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:37:54am

I can't believe the first thing those disgusting British Muslims are talking about is how THEY are supposedly going to be targeted. How dare they try to once again turn this into a "let's prevent the (imaginary) backlash" campaign. They did the same thing right on September 11th.

I hope Europe gets rid of most of its Muslims. A special regime needs to be designed to separate them from all other religions and ethnicities and study them all for deportation, citizens or not. Otherwise it's only going to get worse. London, Madrid, Beslan, radical mosques everywhere...it's a time bomb.

I hope the USA and the UK start launching some missiles soon

523 mglazer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:38:01am

#513 Titus ,


Any photos, video, or eyewitness accounts circulated yet?

524 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:38:32am

ED

if you're still lurkin'..what's the probs on Dennis...should I start dismantling the peier at Orange Beach now?

525 Right Brain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:39:20am

I remember well the few days after 9/11 in New York City, the loudmouths announcing it was because of this, or because of that, usually multiple versions packed into the same breath.

There is a psychological benefit here for them and I hit on it while in an emergency room after a nasty roller blade crash, I was watching a battered wife across from me explain to everyone within earshot of why her eyesocket had been broken:

"I didn't have dinner ready"
"The house had been really messy lately"

In both instances she became in charge, was in control of her world because now the violence made sense to her in terms of her being the cause of it. In order to stop it in her mind she need only slightly modify her behavior and it would stop. She had reassembled her world, with her being safe.

If someone sat her down and explained that her husband hits, that is what he does, that is his nature and upbringing, and she just happened to be there, her world would fall apart, albeit for the better.

Fundamentalist Muslims hit, we just happened to be there. Thats all there is to it.

526 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:39:22am

the consensus among people here is that Europe is F*cked, as its crawling with RoPers.

Let's hope they're wrong...

527 niallster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:39:52am

Oh they'll be wild parties in Luton (home of Al Muhajiroun) tonight.

528 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:40:16am

#472 Lizard By The Bay

Not only clean up, but it needs to go into the Bigel can.

529 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:40:37am
Oh they'll be wild parties in Luton (home of Al Muhajiroun) tonight.

and Bradford?

530 MinnesotaLoon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:41:41am

#517 LanceKates


I still say the best solution is to round up all the gangs, drop them in the muslim countires and tell them the muslims said something bad about their mother.

Twisted... I like it.

531 rorschach  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:41:55am

Just say "NO" to islam.

532 texanista  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:42:53am

Good idea. Let's empty all our maxsecurity prisons in Mosul and the sunni triangle.

533 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:42:55am

Can I repost some stuff i posted earlier ?


London is a city that will not buckle. Tens of thousands of civilians died in the Blitz, and more recently we had 20 years of IRA terrorism.

In recent years millions have chosen to come to London to work and live. Their remittances to families in the poor parts of the world probably exceeds all the formal overseas aid. London is one of the great free cities of the world. It will not yield to cowardly attacks by a bunch of loonies.

For those who have any doubts - just try remembering those photos of St Paul's Cathedral surrounded by the fires of 1941 bombs. One of my daughters lives 1 yards from a building where 35 fireworkers were killed - marked by just a small plaque. A mile away 250 people were killed in a single blast.

London will not yield or panic. The emergency services have responded coolly and calmly, many transport services are suspended but people will get home tonight.

Londoners knew we would be a target. These people simply hate the West, have hated us for years and years. But London has a strong spirit. People have remained mostly calm - we want "business as usual". (My daughter phoned me at 10am from central London to say she was OK - then carried on working.)

Yesterday, a few minutes after the news that London had won the 2012 Olympics, a twelve-plane squadron of the RAF Red Arrows flew in ultra-close formation as a Victory V across the proposed Olymics site in the East End of London. As it happens, above areas that had been pulverised in the Blitz.


The cowardly terrorists can go stuff themselves. They are mere dross - WE made the history, and WE will make the future. WE have the real spirit - THEY are despicable, warped and evil fools.

534 montanapatriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:42:56am

#517 Lancekates

"I still say the best solution is to round up all the gangs, drop them in the muslim countires and tell them the muslims said something bad about their mother."


Suits me! LOLOL

535 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:43:23am

Don't feed the pond scum troll.
As soon as Charles sees what has messed on the threads he will delete..delete..delete.
And then he will BAN it.

536 jwm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:43:31am

When do we take off the gloves?
What is it going to take?

The countless attacks on Israel
and then
New York
Washington DC
Madrid
Bali
and now London
Not to mention Iraq...

When do we take off the gloves?

#466 Poitiers Lepanto:

You, my friend, have it exactly right.
JWM

537 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:43:49am

God bless our President;

President Bush July 7th attack remarks

I spent some time recently with the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, and had an opportunity to express our heartfelt condolences to the people of London, people who lost lives. I appreciate Prime Minister Blair's steadfast determination and his strength. He's on his way now to London here from the G8 to speak directly to the people of London. He'll carry a message of solidarity with him.
---
The war on terror goes on. I was most impressed by the resolve of all the leaders in the room. Their resolve is as strong as my resolve. And that is we will not yield to these people, will not yield to the terrorists. We will find them, we will bring them to justice, and at the same time, we will spread an ideology of hope and compassion that will overwhelm their ideology of hate.

538 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:44:19am

The root cause of trolls is not the problem.

The problem is those who so easily take their bate.

539 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:44:27am

Konsider Krazy Koz Kiddies' Krass Katastrophe Konspiracy Krapola

"Can't blow up 'Murkins -'Murka would realize it's NOT safer... Where are there people who LOOK like 'Murkins? And how are we going to keep Karl Rove's indictment off the front page? And, do you think we can tie this to Iran or possibly Syria? This gang of criminals was at least complicit in allowing this to happen"
540 Big Al  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:44:27am

#380 cthruu

Case in point. They will blame everyone but the people who perpetrated the act. (See my post #114). As if the West must stand silently by and witness the Islamization of Europe. As if we cannot react and wage war against the Taliban in Afghanistan in retaliation to September 11th. As if we all must stand idly by and watch Iran and Iraq, regimes committed to the destruction of Western interets, with billions of dollars of oil money at their disposal, develop nuclear weapons and harbour terrorists. You ain't see nothing yet. The world still does not want to understand the nature of this conflict.

#441 FabioC

May he burn in Hell.

541 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:45:23am

The Andrew Sullivan whose work I used to admire would never have been so obtuse as to say this:

LIVINGSTONE RESPLENDENT: Yes, it's old Red Ken himself, the famously left-wing mayor of London. Here's what he just said: [...]

[Livingstone's loathsome "they didn't target the right people" statement follows]

Amen a million times. How dumb are these fascists to take on the Brits and the Americans? Sure, we fight with each other; but up against this kind of evil, our divisions are petty. I also admire Livingstone's ability to see how liberal and left-wing Londoners who have helped build an amazingly vibrant, diverse and tolerant city are particularly affronted by these medieval monsters.

Time was when Sullivan would have been the first to point out that the left was insufficiently "affronted" by terror bombings. And how can he be so dumb as to not see the irony in a statement (by Livingstone) that begins:

This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful; it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers; it was aimed at ordinary working class Londoners

And then goes on to say:

They seek to turn Londoners against each other and Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack

We won't be divided... except by class, of course.

542 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:45:58am

#533 Johninlondon:

The cowardly terrorists can go stuff themselves. They are mere dross - WE made the history, and WE will make the future. WE have the real spirit - THEY are despicable, warped and evil fools.

That's the spirit.

I believe you -- Londoners are not the Madrilens.

543 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:45:59am

Only second hand stuff at the moment, unfortunately- don't expect the BBC to be reporting it, either.

544 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:46:36am

#507 Americain

I figured you all knew of my sarcastic nature.

Yeah, but the occasion was too good..., Son. :- ) ) )

545 Dianna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:46:41am

I heard about this just as I was leaving for work. I'm quite astonished at how angry I am.

Are we organizing any kind of help for the wounded here, or does anyone have any information on how to help?

546 Sean  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:47:22am
547 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:48:38am

Has Howard Dean blamed White Christians yet?

548 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:49:05am
vigilantie attacks on those 'brown people' who may be behind this.

The problem with muslim terrorists is not that they're "brown" but that they're muslim.

Islam is not a race or nationality, but a violent, oppressive, fascist political ideology.
 

549 Abu Messerschmitt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:50:07am
The Andrew Sullivan whose work I used to admire would never have been so obtuse as to say this:

I don't know why anyone even bothers reading Andrew Sullivan any more. He's basically Kos with a funny accent and a penchant for buggery.

550 bouzouki  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:50:19am

Been reading the comments on Nosemonkey's London Blog. There are many more "moslems oppose this, it's just a tiny minority" comments than I would have expected.

551 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:50:22am

545 Dianna

The emergency services in London have detailed plans for this sort of stuff, and they went into operation fully and very effectively today. As will all the pains-taking forensic work.

552 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:50:29am
553 xtraBilly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:51:22am

# 533 JohninLondon

Well said

554 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:51:43am

Why do you people want to delete #457?...

Screw the damned Neturei_Karta_4_Peace idiot..

I don't need Charles or anyone else to delete messages for me.. And I don't need anyone else to help me ignore messages.

I say keep the nonsense right where it is, so that everyone can see the stupidity for what it is.

555 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:52:05am

#528 Earth2moonbat, not. I would trade this troll for bigel coming back.

556 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:52:08am

#533 JohninLondon

My heart is with all good Englanders. My thoughts are with all those who have been hurt by this attack.

I wish I could believe that things will change in the UK, in a way that will end the hold Islamists have on the place.

I just cant see it happening. I just cant see Englanders taking back their country.

Im sorry. I hope for your sake Im wrong. Of course you know much better than I. But, Islam stands in the streets of the UK and preaches jihad.

Your fifth column is stronger than the general publics resolve to confront it anywhere it exists, despite law.

557 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:53:04am

#553 AI

I think the destruction is too good...I think the Satan's Rock should be held and every single person (non-moslem) that wants to can take a pilgrimage to stomp on it, spit on it, poopie on it, etc...etc...etc...

I think we should treat it like the Blarney Stone.

only instead of leaning over and kissing it, we lean over and pee on it.

558 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:53:05am

Missing something obvious, folks. Islamoslime likes fancy dates, this is 7/7, I guess they didn't want to wait for 7/11.

559 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:53:48am

#558 itell

if they had waited 4 days, everyone would think it was a publicity stunt pulled by the gas station chain.

560 deadman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:18am

Has Ted Kennedy and company ever apologized for supporting IRA terrorism for all those years? I do remember Clinton's world apology tour, did he mention it?

561 coldwarrior  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:22am

546

mecca delenda est indeed.

562 hepcat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:25am

#539 Padikiller
Konsider Krazy Koz Kiddies' Krass Katastrophe Konspiracy

More from the site:

Get off the goddamn phone! (4.00 / 3)

To everyone that is trying to phone people in London to see if they are fine:

GET OFF THE FUCKING PHONE!

If they're dead they won't be able to answer anyway, and you are just clogging up the networks and making it harder for people who are in a genuine emergency. Use your brains folks, ok?


Whatever happened to the "English gentleman" (was he buried in history?)

563 mightmakesright  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:26am

Threat level just went ORANGE.

564 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:32am

From Wretchard at The Belmont Club

Insular Britain, which fought a long terrorist war against the IRA is one of the hardest targets in the Western world. There is no reason, in principle, why similar attacks cannot happen on a larger or deadlier scale in some American or Australian city, less prepared than London -- or indeed anyplace in the world -- such as Thailand, India or the Philippines -- where they have happened already. As long as Islamic fundamentalist terror exists danger will exist. Liberals may believe that accommodation, appeasement or flattery can change this correspondence. But terrorism will remind the world as often as it needs reminding that there isn't room enough on the planet for Islamic terror and civilization.

Faster. Please.

My only addition or change - in addition to faster - it has to be harder and directed at not only the terrorist groups but also at the leaders of the nations (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia) who sponsor and encourage these attacks.

We are at war, and our enemies are fighting this as total war.

There is no bringing those responsible to justice, there is holding those accountable and bringing them to defeat and death.

565 David  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:37am

The moonbats at G8 were complaining yesterday that the security was too heavy handed.

IndyMedia is blaming the government. And the Jews (of course).

I am tired and Aisha and I are going to bed. But I've done a couple of posts on the blog, in case anyone is interested in reading.

Goodnight.

566 Bleeding heart conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:38am

From April last year.

Attacks on London "Inevitable"

When the next terror attack hits Europe, no one will be able to say it was a surprise, or a secret—as al-Muhajiroun leader Omar Bakri Muhammad openly threatens attacks on London.

“We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity.”

See also:

“As far as I’m concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better,” says Abdul Haq, the social worker. “I know it’s going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day.”
567 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:54:47am

The ONLY way to get Journalists to call Terrorists what they are ie Terrorists --is to threaten them physically. Thats what the Pals did. Thats how the Pals got these people to report what they report and use the words they want or not use the words they don't want. Simple as that.

568 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:55:05am
569 Pelayo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:55:27am

These bombings were an attack on America's closest ally in Europe, designed to weaken Britain's will and sap its resolution.

Let us pray for all those murdered by these attacks,and their families, and hope that the people of Britain face this evil, with the same dauntless courage and fortitude with which they confronted earlier evils such as the Nazis.

570 Sean  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:55:35am

Actually, American Infidel, they believe that Allah won't allow us to harm the Kaaba.

It's obliteration will blow their minds.

...not to mention, "Where's your god now, Ackmed?" /Edward G. Robinson mode off

571 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:55:35am

@533 JohninLondon

It's good to hear you and your daughter are okay.
My family lived through the bombing of London.
From London proper to Eltham to Sidcup over to Hayes. My mother and sister sat up in their bedroom window at night and watched the bombs
fall and explode.
I know of the british fortitude. And I also know of the insanity that is prevailing in thecurent governance.

572 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:55:59am

Egyptian envoy killed, claims Al-Qaida in Iraq

Isn't it time to send al-Q - along with every country permitting the funding of terrorists - another message(including our ripe cheese smelling Fwrench allie {spit})?

573 Kantana  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:56:14am

Let's get one thing absolutely cristal clear:
Most European people will do nothing, Absolutely NOTHING until it becomes a full scale genocide and world war.
That's how it was and that's how always will be because that represents Europe.
there will be no expulsions of muslims and no humane solutions until it is absolutely too late.
The Europeans and muslims can't handle and save themselves and everybody knows this from LGF to Indymedia.

574 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:56:51am

Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam.

Nunc, sine mora.

575 vero  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:57:05am

say! can we now go after Iran's nuke programs.

or do we wait until there is a lot bigger hole in the ground in one of our major cities.

Iran needs to be dealt with before it is way to late - Thanks You Jimmy Carter - You and the rest of the Anti-american leftist has caused this problem.

576 moonsbreath  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:57:11am

# 409 Neturei_Karta_4_Peace

...Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

That's nice. The problem is Friday is prayer day in mosques and what they say today won't necessarily be the same as what they'll say tomorrow behind closed doors. Emphasis on closed doors. As in closed doors to all Christians and Jews, that is.

Until mosques are open to all, like churches and synagogues, I don't trust what goes on behind those closed doors. Period.

577 Michael in MI  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:57:13am

Here is a sobering article from April of 2004, regarding warnings given by a radical Muslim cleric in London:

"The Life of an Unbeliever has no Value"


Several Islamic militant groups are preparing attacks on London, making such a strike unavoidable, a radical Muslim cleric said in an interview published on Sunday. "It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London where he is based.

[...]

He added: "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

It was important to see accusations of terrorism in their proper context, he said.

[...]

Asked about his comments that he wanted to have the banner of Islam at 10 Downing Street, Muhammad said, "Yes, it's my dream. I believe one day that is going to happen. Because this is my country, I like living here."

"I've been arrested 16 times. And 16 times freed, because they have nothing against me. These are the contradictions of laws made by man. If they believe in democracy, who are they afraid of? Let Omar Bakri benefit from democracy!"

They are using freedom and democracy against us. This proves that treating the War on Terror as a policing mission will fail. The only way to win is to convert them or kill them before they kill us.

Also, has anyone heard of any "moderate" Muslim groups denounce his statement that "the life of an unbeliever has no value"? Didn't think so.

578 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:57:48am

#568 AI

OK, after we rocknap Satan's Rock, where do you think we should put it?!?!?!?!

Lets make it part of the 9/11 memorial... that way when people get pissed off at the evil done by the islamic terrorists, they have the rock right there to pee on.

579 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:58:06am
I hope Europe gets rid of most of its Muslims.


Dream on.

There are plans underway to INCREASE immigration. Europe needs 1.5 million immigrants per year just to keep it's population and tax base from declining, and to keep the asses of their elderly wiped clean.

Ain't. gonna. happen.

580 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:58:06am

Nuking Mecca is not the answer. If you nuke Mecca, you've already played your best card, and it leaves your opponent with nothing left to lose.

I say, Nuke Medina. It will implicitly indicate that Mecca is next should certain behaviors go unchanged, and it will show them that we do not lack the will to do so.

/only half serious (for now)

581 mot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:58:30am

Fox news reported last night that there are at least 40 terrorist groups including al-Qaida operating freely in Canada. This is mainly due to Canada's lax refugee and immigration policies. Canada's Liberal government is reluctant to address the situation because immigrants now comprise a signifigant percentage of the voting public..who are guess what...loyal to the Liberal party. If I was an an American I would be very concerned about this.
Paul Martin, Canada's current prime Minister has attended functions of the well known terrorist group, the "Tamil Tiger's". Canada is home to the largest cell of this organization outside of it's home base of Sri Lanka. We need help up here folk's!

582 jouth  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:58:43am

Bush, Blair Condemn London Terror Attacks
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, July 7, 2005 – President Bush condemned today's coordinated terrorist attacks in London and instructed U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials to encourage local and state officials to be "extra vigilant" to prevent similar attacks in the United States.

Scotland Yard reported seven explosions at four different sites, timed during London's morning rush hour on the opening day of the G8 summit hosted by Great Britain in Gleneagles, Scotland. Details of the attacks and the casualty toll are still unfolding.

Bush, speaking in Gleneagles, said the attacks demonstrate the stark contrast between what terrorists and freedom-loving people offer the world.

At the G8 summit, leaders of the world's industrialized nations were working together to find ways to alleviate poverty in Africa, rid the world of the AIDS pandemic, combat global warming and tackle pollution worldwide, he pointed out.

"And on the other hand, you have people killing innocent people," the president said. "The contrast could not be clearer between the intentions and the hearts of those of us who care deeply about human rights and human liberty and those who kill."

Bush said he's impressed by the resolve expressed Blair's "steadfast determination and strength" and by all the G8 members' refusal to give terrorists the upper hand. "We will not yield to terrorists," he said. "We will find them, we will bring them to justice, and at the same time, we will spread an ideology of hope and compassion that will overwhelm their ideology of hate."

During a separate news conference, British Prime Minister Tony Blair condemned the attacks as "barbaric," particularly because their timing coincided with the G8 summit.

He praised the G8 leaders' commitment to the same principles. "Each of the countries around that table have some experience of the effects of terrorism and all the leaders ... share our complete resolution to defeat terrorism," he said.

The G8 countries, as well as leaders of Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa and the heads of several international organizations represented in Gleneagles, issued a four-point statement on the bombings:

* We condemn utterly these barbaric attacks. We send our profound condolences to the victims and their families. All of our countries have suffered from the impact of terrorism. Those responsible have no respect for human life. We are united in our resolve to confront and defeat this terrorism that is not an attack on one nation, but on all nations and on civilized people everywhere.
* We will not allow violence to change our societies or our values. Nor will we allow it to stop the work of this Summit. We will continue our deliberations in the interests of a better world. Here at this Summit, the world's leaders are striving to combat world poverty and save and improve human life. The perpetrators of today's attacks are intent on destroying human life.
* The terrorists will not succeed.
* Today's bombings will not weaken in any way our resolve to uphold the most deeply held principles of our societies and to defeat those who would impose their fanaticism and extremism on all of us. We shall prevail. They shall not.

"It is important ... that those engaged in terrorism realize that our determination to defend our values and our way of life is greater than their determination to cause death and destruction to innocent people in a desire to impose extremism on the world," Blair said before leaving the summit for London. "Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilized nations throughout the world."
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

583 grayp  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:58:56am

To all our Brit friends here, my deepest condolences. You and yours are in my prayers.

I see everyone is speculating about the UK's response. I'm wondering if this will finally trash the whole idea of letting Turkey into the EU - secular or not.

One can hope.

584 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:59:15am

#539 Padkiller

The Kos Kids are traitors.

If these facist wannabees ever find a leader, we're in trouble. Already, they've latched onto Islam and the noble Minutemen/Iraqi insurgents as the saviors who will rescue them from ChimpyBushitlerRove, the Jews and the horrors of capitalism (and actually being responsible for themselves.)

585 truthsword  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:59:49am

In light of today's events something started nagging my mind. About 2 or 3 weeks ago someone posted a newspaper link here on LGF about firefighters who were inscpecting sprinkler systems in nyc came across some people with fake id's mapping and checking out tunnels. By the time police arrived most had fled but they did arrest one of the guys with fake id's and subway maps... does anyone remember this? Has anyone head anything else about this?

586 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:59:53am
I say, Nuke Medina.

Wait a minute. That used to be a Jewish village, before mohammed wiped them out.

Why not return it to the ISraelis?

Maybe a few drops of oil are under there, too?

587 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:03am

If I wasn't already wanting to join one group of people to better my life, I'd suggest joining the muslim religion as a spy. go in and do all the learning and all the stuff they tell you, get in on these meetings, and record everything.


then when you have enough, go public as an anonymous source to a conservative paper.

588 Bleeding heart conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:16am

From #566, first link is bad: London attacks inevitable

589 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:24am

#558 itellu3times

I guess they didn't want to wait for 7/11.

That's because they own most of them! ;-)

590 Jade  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:32am

1940s: Nazis are condemned as scum of the earth and all the civilized world is united in one goal: WIPE THEM ALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

2000s: Time for history to repeat itself. REALLY.

If the civilized world wants to live in peace, then it must come to terms with the bitter truth: Islam is the new Nazism, and deserves nothing less than total annihilation.

Wake up time, world!

591 Dianna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:38am

#551 JohninLondon

Thanks, that's great. It doesn't mean I don't want to find some way to help.

Gotta do something with this anger, since I'm not the sort who just riots.

592 not neo just conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:00:51am

#573 Kantana

Let's get one thing absolutely cristal clear:
Most European people will do nothing, Absolutely NOTHING until it becomes a full scale genocide and world war.

At which point the United States will have to go pull their fat out of the fire, the Europeans will be grateful for a few years and then begin sneering at 'US Arrogance', another threat to the Continent will appear, Most European people will do nothing, Absolutely NOTHING until it becomes a full scale genocide and world war, at which point the United States will have to go pull their fat out of the fire, the Europeans will be grateful for a few years and then...

A Dog Chasing its Tail.

593 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:01:01am
LanceKates suggested: I think we should treat it like the Blarney Stone.

only instead of leaning over and kissing it, we lean over and pee on it.

Begorrah! It's Mohammed's Meteorite... Piss Be Upon It!

594 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:01:18am
595 braindirt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:01:27am

#546 Sean
"Mecca delenda est."
After this is done, we could then use our new "Eminent Domain" powers, and put a brand new Hebrew National hot dog stand on the site.

596 Sean  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:01:32am

"Mecca delenda est", would be but a warning shot compared to the other moves that I could contemplate...

597 jehu  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:03:03am

I hate knowing this but; We are in THE war for civilization, the Biblical Armageddon.

And all these terrorist attacks are just skirmishes. The West has yet to wake up to the fact that Islam declared war on the West, all of the West, way back in the 7th century.

Stopped twice from eradicating Christianity (and its resultant science-based civilization) Stopped by Charles Martel in the battle of Tours, and once Again several centuries later by the King of Poland, Jan Sobreisky.

We just do not get, nor accept, the implacable unrelenting evil of our foes, until some horrific number of victims have been chucked into the Volcano.

As if we constantly must be awakened from our dreams of Utopias, of the utter fantasy that, "deep down there is good in all of us." No there is not! Evil is real and is personified.

I wish we would wake up sooner and many lives could be saved, but we will not. We did not in WW1, or in WW2. Humanity seems incapable of knowing evil exists, until it shouts and screams in our face, crying out for our attention.

598 Sean  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:03:19am

Yes! Braindirt gets it! A diaspora for the Saudis!

599 Rust Never Sleeps  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:03:26am

London Terror Attack: The Price of Poodle-ism

Don't hesitate to mail this Justin Raimondo-bastard (justin@antiwar.com)

600 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:03:49am
601 xtraBilly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:04:35am

#409 Neturei

& Muslim leaders have condemned this outrage.

Time for these guys to start naming names.

602 Patrizio  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:04:41am

This is when being a trustworthy ally of the United States pays off. I'm sure the British dispose of the full cooperation and intelligence services of the USA, even more so than usual. I think it will be the greatest time of Anglo-American cooperation since the Second World War.

603 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:05:21am

I am too angry and heavy of heart to post anything intelligent, so I will say only this: My prayers are with the victims and their families.

604 RIP Ford  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:05:45am

If anyone is interested, I created a map of todays bombing locations for those not familiar with London.

You'll have to sroll down a bit.

605 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:07:12am

#541, OR,

Andrew Sullivan is a total slug.

Recently Taranto has been quoting Sullivan's comments from 2002/2003, before Sullivan became obsessed with gay marriage and then decided to back Kerry (

606 Jay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:07:12am

Let's take a moment of silence today for all those who have lost a loved one as a result of terrorism or war.

607 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:08:04am

England now has her bus #19.

608 Grandma  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:09:13am

I would like to see the Black Kaaba Rock mysteriously fall from its silver frame and reveal on the reverse side "Kilroy was here".

609 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:09:41am

#604 RIP Ford

Thanks for that!

610 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:09:41am
611 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:10:51am
612 barginbob  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:11am

Heard someone call c-spam and said the CIA did the bombing because support for IRAQ was low.

613 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:20am

I don't think you are getting it YET. By the time it dawns on you, it will be too late.

Islam can blow down Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, Pentagon (oops attemped already), White House and NOTHING will change.

The West is afraid of Islam again and doesn't actually mean business when it retaliates once in a while. Not like we meant business in WW2. They STILL think that giving Islam what it wants, Israel and Jews, and whatever ELSE, will stop them..manage them..IT WONT.

Go back to the Munich Olympics and count the atrocities, think how many times YOU thought that the USA would end its cozy relationship with a few of those Islamic Countries...and fffttt...it didn't happen..Sometimes after a while the OPPOSITE happened..we got friendlier, cozier. Gave them MORE.

Get a Fucking CLUE already ...Its almost too late..They are working on NUKES..Helllooo

614 kjo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:31am

#506 Grumpy Johnson
You are absolutely right but people are really, really angry today, so cut them a little slack.

For me, the thing that's so frustrating about the domesticated Muslims is their complete tone deafness to the suffering of others. For CAIR and other spokesmen it's always only about them.

615 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:33am

Can we be Islamophobic now?

616 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:37am
jehu observed: The West has yet to wake up to the fact that Islam declared war on the West, all of the West, way back in the 7th century.

Stopped twice from eradicating Christianity (and its resultant science-based civilization) Stopped by Charles Martel in the battle of Tours, and once Again several centuries later by the King of Poland, Jan Sobreisky.

see also Onward Muslim Soldier

The Sword and The Prophet

Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis

Unholy Alliance : Radical Islam and the American Left

617 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:45am

@605 RIP Ford

Thanx for that map!

618 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:11:54am

FNC is simulcasting the feed from SkyNews right now - SkyNews is interviewing Rudy Guiliani at the present time.

619 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:12:06am

600 American infidel

Turkey cannot join the EU for 10 years at the earliest. And their application will be vetoed.

They will NOT be granted membership. They will get associate status for purely trading reasons.

620 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:12:15am

#585

There are only two ways to stop an attack on mass transit:

1) Luck into discovering the conspiracy
2) Luck into stopping the execution

Al Quaida knows this. They plan in secret, and use trusted couriers to further the conspiracy. This allows a significant percentage of their plots to succeed. They also exectute multiple, simultanous attacks, thus reducing the effect of any lucky discovery of any one stage by the authorities.

Security is necessary to treat the symptoms of terrorsism, but it won't cure the disease.

Think for just a minute about how easy it would be for you to blow up a school bus, or a shopping mall, or a courthouse in your community, if you were so inclined, and I think that you will see that prevention of planning will only happen through elimination and demotivation of the attackers.

I think Pres. Bush and Prime Minister Blair are on the right track. Beef up security to treat the symptoms, kill the terrorists to treat the disease itself, and fight recurrence of the disease with an inclusive ideology.

621 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:13:11am
622 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:13:18am

The British Bulldog might start to wake up after this.

They could start with a few long-overdue deportations.

Screw putting them on trial. Send them straight to Gaza International Airport, where they can stew and rot in solidarity with their Paleostinian brothers.

623 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:13:20am

#602 Patrizio

The British, all good westerners, are our brothers. But untill the British decide to close the playground Islam has built in their land, it matters not what depth of cooperation exists or comes about between the US and UK.

Only "good" muslims can fix islam.

Only good British can fix Britain.

624 MoonbatBane  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:14:28am

Today we are all British -- they are showing their metal, and we need to let them know that we stand with them. Even the ones who hate/blame America and GW.

Prayers for the families. Sigh...

625 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:14:28am
626 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:14:46am

AlQ is correct that the West is indeed a group of "Crusader Nations"; but it it because they are turning us into them - we must start to react to Islamic encroachments as the medieval crusaders did. Now if only the majority of those in the West understood this, and our response to attrocities such as this was appropriate.

Mecca delenda est.

It would probably be just as effective to drop several tons of pork fat on Mecca rather than an atomic bomb, with far less environmental damage, though without the visceral glee to be derived from a large boom.

Even if Bush and Blair came out stating that Mecca would be glass after the next attack on the West, I doubt that would actually stop them, since we have seldom given them any reason to believe that we would actually carry out such a definitive action.

627 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:14:57am

If the Right was as devious as the Left says we are, we would take every recorded comment of every Lefty who says that we need to understand that the muslims are not violant people...

then put those comments over pictures of 9/11 and pictures of the madrid bombing, and pictures from today's bombings.

then play it on all the tv stations as a commercial.

628 Pope Insouciance IV  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:15:17am

Obviously this was done in retaliation. They heard that American soldiers were reading Harry Potter books to the prisoners at Gitmo in order to break them. Link

So how long before the Brits pass their own PATRIOT act?

In the meantime, I'm sending Red Ken a copy of "My Pet Goat". It should comfort him while he hides in the closet and sucks his thumb.

629 bruxellesblog  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:15:40am

I wonder if these fine upstanding youths were part of this?
Pass the brown sauce, brother

630 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:15:43am
631 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:15:50am
632 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:15:58am

Don't know where Orange Beach is.

Dennis, based on modeling and discussions, somewhere between Morgan City, LA and Appalachicola, FL as a Cat 3 or Cat 4 late Sunday/early Monday.

633 jagan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:16:30am

The London bomb terrorists might have hailed from any islamic country in the world.. they might have been from algeria or morroco, saudi or indonesia, but the fact remains that Pakistan is the only NATION where Islamic Terrorism Training Camps are there, intact and well.

Training for this kind of stuff can only be had from Pakistan.

Give peace a chance, Destroy Pakistan.

Countdown to a nuclear terror act started years ago.

634 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:16:45am

#363 FERRIS - "The rest (France, Germany, etc.) can go to hell."

Help from France key in covert operations
Paris’s shadowy ‘Alliance Base’ aids U.S. in terror fight

By Dana Priest
Washington Post
Updated: 10:59 p.m. ET July 2, 2005
[Link: cc.msnscache.com...]

John E. McLaughlin, the former acting CIA director who retired recently after a 32-year career, described the relationship between the CIA and its French counterparts as "one of the best in the world. What they are willing to contribute is extraordinarily valuable."

635 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:17:11am

How many more must die before the left wakes up and smells the semtex?

Appeasement and burying your head in the sand only emboldens those who wish us dead.

There are 6 billion people on this planet,only 1.2 billion are moslem,we should be dictating to them how to behave,not letting them tell us how they want to be treated.

636 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:17:24am
Security is necessary to treat the symptoms of terrorsism, but it won't cure the disease.

The disease is the dealth cult: Islamo-fascism.

Truman cured Shinto-fascism how?

Keep pushin' us, Mohammedans [Piss Be Upon You]

637 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:17:54am

Just a question out of pure curiosity

Is it possible to take one train to all these stations? Or would you have to switch trains at one point?

638 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:17:57am

As bad as today's attacks are (33-45 dead), in terms of people killed, more Brits were killed on 9/11 (67 dead).

Yet some Brits refuse to wake up, and others (like Andrew Sullivan) are content to return to sleep.

639 taterhead  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:18:36am

#89 legalbgl

I disagree. Being in Iraq or not will not have prevented any of this sort of shit from happening. More than likely the attacks would have been worse and I don't mean with standard bombs. Hopefully, by planting the seeds of democracy, the people over there will grow some balls and stand up for themselves.
And maybe western civization will grow some eyes along with their balls to see the religion of death has infiltrated and needs to be eradicated.

640 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:18:53am

There was a comedian on last night. Mencia was his last name.

he said something I thought was really funny, and relevant.

"you can bet that right after 9/11 Osama got a phone call. 'hey... this is japan... ooo... you did it now osama... we used to think JUST LIKE YOU... we dropped hundreds of bombs on Pearl Harbor... laughed and danced... then they came back... they didn't drop hundreds... or twenty... they dropped 2 bombs...' "

Islam might not remember such events.

641 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:18:56am

#633 jagan:

the fact remains that Pakistan is the only NATION where Islamic Terrorism Training Camps are there, intact and well.

You think there are none in Iran? In Syria?

642 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:19:36am

#366 ALEGRIAS -"our compassionate President Bush said courage is the right response to setbacks AND he has unleashed the greatest military power on two of these outposts of islamofascism."

CIA review finds no evidence Saddam had ties to Islamic terrorists

By WARREN P. STROBEL, JONATHAN S. LANDAY and JOHN WALCOTT

Knight Ridder Newspapers
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

643 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:19:40am
644 Mike in Boulder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:19:53am

Will AP or Reuters use the word terrorist to describe the perpetrators of these attacks?

645 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:20:36am

#637 Manker

Good man! You are quick on your feet!...

Maybe it's time for the the blogosphere to toss off the shock and come to action!..

It sure looks from the map like a single train could do it, doesn't it?

646 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:20:37am

#625 American Infidel

I am in agreement with JohninLondon - I don't see Turkey getting full EU membership.

647 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:22:42am

627 LanceKates

If the Right was as devious as the Left says we are, we would take every recorded comment of every Lefty who says that we need to understand that the muslims are not violant people...

Actually something like was tried. Sen. Patty {spit} Murray, famous for the "Osama built day care centers" statement was pummeled with that statement in the last election by her opponent. She was reelected by something like 18 percentage points. {shaking head in disbelief}

648 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:23:03am

#642 pinhead

GAZE - not today you a$$.

649 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:23:08am

Oh great, Pinella's here! This ought to be a little fun on an otherwise glum day.

650 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:23:36am

#418 KARMIC_INQUISITOR - "Or will this be blamed on Bush "

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest
until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"- G.W.
Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

651 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:23:48am

#636 Terp Mole, Mohammed was not a Islamo-fascist. Mohammed was an Moslem.

652 AlphaMu42  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:23:50am

Hopefully, our allies in the WOT will remain DEFIANT!

653 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:23am

592 NNJC

those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

and the only reason we keep helping Europeans ingrates (Brits excluded) is because we need that buffer against totalitarianism that oh so often rears it's head over there, not because Euroweenies have EVER done anything for the US...

654 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:24am

#631 American Infidel

I'm spreading no lie. I know good muslims. They are atheists. You do the math.

655 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:25am
Will AP or Reuters use the word terrorist to describe the perpetrators of these attacks?


Only in quotes, of course:

Blasts rock London, Blair says 'terrorist attacks'
[Link: today.reuters.com...]


Attacks kill 33 in London, Blair breaks off summit
[Link: today.reuters.com...]


The answer to your question, is no.

[Link: news.google.com...]
 

656 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:27am

When did we withdraw our troops from Afghanistan? I must have missed the memo.

657 Dave from Corona  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:29am

I only hope that the Brits adopt the "American Model" instead of the "Spanish Model" when it comes time for them to respond to this atrocity.

658 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:36am

#647 earth2moonbat

yeah..something like that... but i'm talking a GRAND scale... every dem. ESPECIALLY the ones up for reelection in 06. have this play from now until election day.

659 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:24:40am

Turkish EU membership- President Bush supports it, ffs.

Ironically, it's the French that are most likely to put a stop to it.

660 theheat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:25:12am

As long as people are content to sit around and be bomb and bullet sponges for "insurgents" and "militants" the jihadis will continue to trot around the planet blowing up whomever they choose.

No one, and not even our president, has made the consequences of things like this utterly horrifying to these people. Hell, we're still worried we might piss them off at an airport or harm one of their books.

661 jwm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:25:22am

Pinhead:
Don't you have a nose to pick, or something?
Go
Away

JWM

662 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:25:26am
663 keepandbear  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:26:45am

There are dog breed specific bans on Rottwielers, pit bulls etc across the nation. these people are a lot more dangerous than some dog with a bad owner. lets ban Islamics until we breed the bad out of the breed.

664 RIP Ford  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:26:50am

Athos
quark2,

Not a problem.

665 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:27:09am

Thanks to Manker for smacking the shock out of me...

Let's think about this a bit...

If you were a filthy Islamist babykiller... What would you do on the morning of a terror attack?

Well I would go on the internet to the London Tube site and check the news as soon as I could before the attack...

And maybe download a map in Arabic?...

London Tube Website

First thing I would do, if I were in Scotland Yard, would be to check the weblogs on the Tube's web servers...

666 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:27:18am

Yeah, if we just capture a goofy old guy with a beard, terrorism will stop.

Leaving terror supporting regimes in power, LIKE SADAAMS wouldn't impair the effort at all. It would be viewed as a sign of STRENGTH by the terrorists.

The world should no longer suffer fools like Piniella.

BTW, the group claiming responsibility says this is for Britains involvement in Iraq AND Afghanistan.

Kinda punches a few gaping holes in the LLLeft wing/idiot/Piniealla theory that if we could just focus on Osama everything would be OK.

LOL!

667 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:27:21am
668 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:27:47am

#453 BILL JEFFERSON - "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed"

Not according to Scalia:

JUSTICE SCALIA: And when somebody goes by
8 that monument, I don't think they're studying each
9 one of the commandments. It's a symbol of the fact
10 that government comes -- derives its authority from
11 God.
And that is, it seems to me, an appropriate
12 symbol to be on State grounds.

3 THOMAS VAN ORDEN, :
4 Petitioner :
5 v. : No. 03-1500
6 RICK PERRY, IN HIS OFFICIAL :
7 CAPACITY AS GOVERNOR OF :
8 TEXAS AND CHAIRMAN, STATE :
9 PRESERVATION BOARD, ET AL.

[Link: wid.ap.org...]

669 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:28:39am

the UK will withdraw from the EU eventually. It's a racing cert- our v healthy economy will be dragged down otherwise. It'll take a while, mind.

670 truthsword  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:28:40am

Here is a link to the subway map story back on June 13. Why haven't we heard more about this? Will it come up now with the subway attacks in London? I suspect it has been shushed for obvious reasons.

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

671 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:30:43am

#668 piniella, G-d doesn't like you either.

672 thefish  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:30:45am

#52, Sorry, but the V2 attacks were well after US involvement in WWII began. Those were the most advanced rockets Werner von Braun created, shortly before the war ended.

673 truthsword  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:30:47am

Here is a link to the subway map story back on June 13. Why haven't we heard more about this? Will it come up now with the subway attacks in London? I suspect it has been shushed for obvious reasons.

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

674 3 wood  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:31:21am

To my British brothers and sisters, my prayers are with you.

To the terrorists, may you rot in hell.

To the trolls and the left wing, do you see now what we are dealing with?

675 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:31:32am
piniella sputtered: CIA review finds no evidence Saddam had ties to Islamic terrorists

Moonbat cranial-anial inversion is a dangerous and incurable mental disorder.

Case in point: Leftist MSM get's it wrong again.

Ma'am, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. There's evidence everywhere.
676 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:31:56am
When did we withdraw our troops from Afghanistan? I must have missed the memo.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California) said so last week:

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
 

677 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:32:06am

#488 locrian - "Wake up World! islam is at our doorstep. This evil cult must be eliminated before it gains a stronger foothold in all of our countries. Political correctness will be the death of us all! "

WWW.GOARMY.COM

678 Broomer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:32:12am

Since it's been widely discussed at LGF that Britain is becoming more anti-semetic and pro-palis and pro-Islam, am I the only one wondering if this bombing is an act of major backstabbing?

JG

679 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:32:13am

650 pindick

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"- G.W.

WTF did you want him to say? Thank you? We promise to be nice while he look for the people that attacked us?

Perhaps if Bubba wasn't too busy getting smokeshows from the fat intern and taking polls he would have had the balls to take out Bin Laden when we had him cornered.

680 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:33:32am

657 Dave from Corona

You want the Brits to avoid the Spanish response to terror. After the Madrid bombings the then opposition iimmediately attacked the government over Iraq. Nothing like that will happen in Britain. The shadow Home Secretary, David Davis, is already saying the Tories stand with the government and the security and emergency services. This was the mood of the House of Commons this afternoon.

And even Red Ken Livingstone, whom I loathe, was very fierce today, very scathing about the terrorists. There is a clip of his words in Singapore on the Fox - click on the " Click here for more video" on the right hand side.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

681 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:33:33am

#645 padikiller

Thanks,

It's just that overall the attacks seem to follow a straight line.

Assuming that these bombs in bags (not a suicide bombing) this could be done fairly easily. One single guy could be sitting at one station and just threw explosives into trains that stopped in one station. He technically wouldn't even have had to get on.

682 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:33:41am

Earlier I was hearing that there were 6 if not 7 bombs. Now it appears the story is back to 4. Anyone know who's right?

BTW - Nice catch William!

683 Always right  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:34:30am

Unbelievable!

According to Drudge Report, the G8 summit still tries to finalize the global warming deal.

Get a F'n grip.

684 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:34:37am

#670

Tell me there is no connection there, right?...

I hope the NYC authorities aren't too stupid to call London...

685 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:34:43am

#678 Broomer

Since it's been widely discussed at LGF that Britain is becoming more anti-semetic and pro-palis and pro-Islam, am I the only one wondering if this bombing is an act of major backstabbing?

No, it's just more evidence that making friends with a crocodile won't make it want to eat you less.

686 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:35:46am

#674 3Wood

To my British brothers and sisters, my prayers are with you.

We all extend our prayers, thoughts, and condolences to the British people.

To the terrorists, may you rot in hell.

And may our resolve to speed them on their way only double.

To the trolls and the left wing, do you see now what we are dealing with?

Not an effin chance. They've chosen their side in this conflict.

687 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:36:35am

#667 American Infidel

In all these islamic dictatorships there are fifth columns as well. There are many millions of 'atheists and apostates and many who are strongly anti islam*', living in those countries.

They have no voice, no power, no coordination. IF they can not devise a way to save the rest of the world from their captors, then it is the job of the rest of the world to destroy their captors.

* Good muslims.

688 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:37:25am

#613 Vickie

I don't think you are getting it YET. By the time it dawns on you, it will be too late...

Get a Fucking CLUE already ...Its almost too late..They are working on NUKES..Helllooo

Why do you always write as if you think you're posting in DU or KOS?

You don't have the remotest clue where you are.

689 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:37:40am

#678

The only people in the UK getting into the Pro-Pali, anti-semitic vibe are the bloody lefties, just like in the US.

Worth noting that in Northern Ireland, Republican/Nationalist comminuties (ie Sinn Fein/IRA supporters) have started flying Pali flags from their windows, mainly to show what a bunch of deluded twats they are.

BTW Gerry Adams has sent a message of support to Downing Street today! Laugh? I nearly shat.

690 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:38:20am

#681 Manker

A single train would make a lot of sense time wise wouldn't it?.. These explosions weren't as simultaneous as Al Quaida seems to like, normally, but a single train would explain it.

There are any number of ways it could be done, with or without suicide operatives.

691 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:38:39am

#659 Titus

Bush is right, having Turkey in the EU is a good idea because it forces the EU to limit itself to what it was meant to be in the first place, i.e. a free trade area.

692 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:38:53am

#642 pindick

Yeah,Salman Pak was just an old airplane fuselage.

693 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:39:26am

{lops}

Atta girl!

I see pinhead is back.

694 nadz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:39:44am

my thoughts are with the brave people of London today. during World War II, Londoners showed their enemies what they're made of, and they'll do it again.

those islamofascists are evil, evil, evil.

695 Dom  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:40:48am

Blair just spoke very impressively from Downing Street. The themes were: support for the victims of this attack; these are Muslim terrorists, and we welcome Muslim comment distancing the community from the cause; we will not be terrorised or bullied from pursuing our enemies; this is a battle of values, and the values of the United Kingdom will long outlast those of our semtex-happy enemies'.

696 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:41:21am
roger observed: Mohammed was not a Islamo-fascist. Mohammed was an Moslem.

And Kami were not Shinto-fascists. Kami were Shinto.

If you have an argument with the Truman solution, that observation of your's ain't cuttin' it.

697 AlphaMu42  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:41:53am

Exactly what I have come to expect from APF:

London attacks were predicted as 'inevitable'

For more than a year, police and politicians have been warning that a terrorist strike against the British capital, like the one which occurred Thursday, was highly probable, largely due to Britain's support of the US-led invasion of Iraq
698 padikiller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:42:35am

If these Islamist bastards followed the standard Al Quaida M.O., they went out drinking and whoring last night.

Does London have a red light district?

They also left records (videos, wills) somewhere.

The discovery of this information was key in identifying the doings of the 9/11 terrorists...

699 trip  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:42:40am

time to nuke mecca!

Ecclesiastes 3:3 - A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;


I am all for that to happen!

700 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:44:08am
 #633

jagan  7/7/2005 09:16AM PDT
The London bomb terrorists might have hailed from any islamic country in the world.. they might have been from algeria or morroco, saudi or indonesia, but the fact remains that Pakistan is the only NATION where Islamic Terrorism Training Camps are there, intact and well.


Training for this kind of stuff can only be had from Pakistan.


Give peace a chance, Destroy Pakistan.


Countdown to a nuclear terror act started years ago.

What if the bombers in London weren't Muslims? But since you think Pakistan is the breeding ground, okay, let's nuke them.

/Geez

701 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:44:09am

#679 LOPPYD - "Perhaps if Bubba wasn't too busy "

AUGUST 6, 2001
PDB
BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK IN THE U.S.

702 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:44:59am

#677 pini

oh... we should enlist? well, what's your service record?

703 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:45:08am

Just as a note for those looking to head to Discardedlies to see the map that RIP Ford (#604) created - the site appears down at this time.

Bill Roggio, at Winds of Change has a map up, and in another post, Colt is liveblogging from London.

704 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:46:08am

padikiller


A map showing the lines

Overall the attacks are very centralized

Two of the attacks are done on the same line (1 and 3). However they are done on opposite ends with a time gap. Another was done on a different line.

However I have other questions. What directions were the trains heading? Were they heading away from Kings cross?

705 Titus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:46:12am

#691

I suspect the Pres is being rather more pragmatic than that. Turkey is an alleged ally and maintains cordial relations with Israel, unusually for RoPers. The EU membership remark was made when US/UK were looking for a western invasion route into Iraq.

706 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:46:25am

#697 alpha mu

largely due to Britain's support of the US-led invasion of Iraq

Too bad the Jihadis themselves disagree:

From the statement above:

“We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan,” the statement went on.

Iraq AND Afghanistan. Get it? They want complete and total surrender. Was 9-11 because of Iraq? Was the Cole b/c of Iraq? Was Khobar Towers b/c of Iraq? Was 1993 WTC b/c of Iraq? Was Bali b/c of Iraq? and on and on and on and on

707 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:46:41am

#701 piniella

Wow. Great argument there.

Now piss off.

708 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:46:46am

#692 TOTALLY SIRIUS - "Yeah,Salman Pak was just an old airplane fuselage."

CORRECT.

709 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:47:01am

#701 pini

well, if bush isn't doing enough, as you imply... what is your opinion of Clinton's lack of retailation for the Cole?

710 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:47:03am

#697 AlphaMu42

What the article should have said:

For more than a year, police and politicians have been warning that a terrorist strike against the British capital, like the one which occurred Thursday, was highly probable, entirely due to the barbarism of our enemies who will stop at nothing to create death and mayhem in the world for their own evil purposes.
711 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:02am

Just GAZE the troll, people.

Q. So is a troll just someone who disagrees with the LGF party line?
A. No. A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate. Some signs that a poster is a troll:

* Dodges questions from other posters
* Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.

712 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:04am

695 Dom

Did he really say Muslim terrorists? That's a huge step.

713 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:14am

#704 manker

kings cross? The Christians Did it! See? I told you all the evil christians were behind it all...

/L3

714 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:21am

701 pindick

Hmm, let me see that would be 35 days prior to the attack. Tell me now, how many days was Clinton in office after he received intelligence re. OBL's location?

715 truthsword  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:25am

I also found this about the nyc subway story... this is why I think that homeland security had something to do with it... on the other hand it's not that unusual for reports to be wrong or made up these days.

[Link: www.ny1.com...]

716 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:32am

#706 TMF - "Was 9-11 because of Iraq? Was the Cole b/c of Iraq? Was Khobar Towers b/c of Iraq? Was 1993 WTC b/c of Iraq? Was Bali b/c of Iraq? and on and on and on and on "

You are on the verge of enlightenment - Iraq had NOTHING to do with the War on Terror.

717 BIG  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:48:39am
718 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:49:32am

701 Pini

BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK IN THE U.S

Oh My God, you are so right...

/thought I would make you feel better before they take you away.

719 Prester John  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:06am

bin Ladin's Declaration of War--23 August 1996.

[Link: www.outpost-of-freedom.com...]

720 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:25am

You and I know that Britain will be hit again.
The place is crawling with moon bats,
One British dingbat said he would keep terrorist in his cellar if they needed shelter. These bombings didn’t occur overnight,
and were not planned in a couple of weeks.

721 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:33am

#690 padikiller

I actually think it's the opposite. One guy (or a small group) got into the kings cross station, threw explosives into a couple of trains. Got out and then started to make phone calls (if it was implanted devices).

722 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:37am

#716 pini

idiot... he/she was saying that the terrorists kill to kill... then they make up reasons why, so they seem like victims instead of the bloodthirsty people they are, wanting to kill the west for the crime of succeeding.

723 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:53am

654 Just danny

hey pal. Hope the family is well.

I know good muslims. They are atheists.

if tehy are athiests, they are not GOOD muslims...they may be GOOd people but not GOOd muslims. By kookranic standards they are kafir my friend..

724 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:50:53am
#692 TOTALLY SIRIUS - "Yeah,Salman Pak was just an old airplane fuselage."

WRONG

According to statements from the Iraqis themselves, who ADMITTED to the existence of the camp and the jet, stated it was for counter-terrorism training!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM, DUDE!

Oh yeah, and Baghdad Bob is a "speaker of truth to power", like Pineilla!

725 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:51:07am

#714 loppyd - "Hmm, let me see that would be 35 days prior to the attack."

US al-Qaeda warning revealed
From correspondents in Washington
11feb05
[Link: www.heraldsun.news.com.au...]
EIGHT months before the September 11 attacks the White House's then counterterrorism adviser urged then national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to hold a high-level meeting on the al-Qaeda network, according to a memo made public today. "We urgently need such a principals-level review on the al-Qaeda network," then White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke wrote in the January 25, 2001 memo.
However, Ms Rice wrote in a March 22, 2004 column in The Washington Post that "No al-Qaeda threat was
turned over to the new administration".

726 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:51:21am

padikiller

London crawls with vido surveillance cameras. And Brit police are pretty good at forensic detective work.

It looks as though one of the attacks - the bus - was a suicide bomber, judging by the injuries on one of the bodies.

What is really needed are informants within the Muslim community. If there are no informants that help out, a lot of people in London will get angrier.

My gut feel at the moment is that the death toll will reach 50 or more. And British TV will be filled with burned and blackened British victims for days to come.

727 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:51:29am

#706 TMF

Iraq AND Afghanistan. Get it? They want complete and total surrender.

In the Arab world, if they can't win a war while it's happening, they demand to win it retroactively later.

This is why they demand that Israel return to the '67 borders (down to the last centimeter.)

They want Jerusalem and the right of return for the same reasons.

These demands are meant to destroy Israel, too, but the primary thing is to erase the shame of losing by putting things back the way they were.

728 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:51:35am

#721 manker

I didn't think cell phones worked in the subways... I could see the busses, but the subways would take timers, or suicide idiots.

729 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:51:43am

716 Pini

You are on the verge of enlightenment - Iraq had NOTHING to do with the War on Terror.

Yes, please, enlighten us... show us the way!


/those men in white coats will show you to your Enlightenment Chamber...

730 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:52:06am

Re my #703,

DiscardedLies is back up.

BTW - Great new post there.

731 dekalb  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:52:41am

The BBC has a story in which they wrote of the immediate revuslion from the moslems in Britain. What kind of revulsion? A quote from "Dr." Mohammed Abdul Bari, the chairman of the East London Mosque: "I spoke to the congregation at the mosque and tried to calm their fears and told them they must remain vigilant."

Vigilant, sons and daughters of allah? What about a little compassion and aid for the victims and their families? And not just words, fucktards.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

732 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:53:13am

Wow, I'm overwhelmed by the logic.

Because the 9-11-01 terrorism wasn't in response to Iraq, it must prove that Iraq wasn't in response to terrorism.

He/she/it must be amazed that his mother was able to give birth to him EXACTLY on his birthday.

733 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:53:42am
734 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:53:47am

#714 loppyd - "Hmm, let me see that would be 35 days prior to the attack."

9/11 panel: FAA had early al Qaeda warnings
Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Friday, February 11, 2005 Posted: 4:21 PM EST (2121 GMT)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Dozens of Federal Aviation Administration memos warned of al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden in 2001, but the agency didn't order new security measures before the September 11 attacks, a newly released declassified report by the 9/11 commission says.
The FAA's security branch generated 105 so-called daily summaries between April 1 and September 10, 2001, the report said. Fifty-two of those summaries mentioned bin Laden or al Qaeda, and five discussed hijacking "as a capability al Qaeda was training for or possessed."

735 xbalanke  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:53:52am

My thoughts and prayers to all affected by this atrocity, and my most murderous venom directed at the perps.

As horrific as this is, if this is the best Al-Q can do "militarily" they're in worse shape than I thought. I mean, even the Paleos can pull off this kind of thing. All the more reason to put on a full-court press against the murderous scum and terminate them with extreme prejudice. Keep the pressure on and do not give them a breather. Also, IMO, all the more reason to ensure the Mad Mullahs never get nukuler weapons.

Did I get enough cliches in?

736 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:54:04am

man...I'm thirsty today... for some reason I can't seem to get enough water (I've already had nearly a gallon, and its only noonish)

737 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:55:51am

#728 LanceKates

Well obviously timers could also be a possibility. The reason why I said cellphones is because thats what (I think) were used in 3/11. And because Skynews received video from a cellphone from a guy on the train. But I don't know whether he was still in the train when it was sent.

Does anyone know if cellphones work in the subway?

738 Mike in Boulder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:56:00am

#655 William

Nice work. At least they haven't called them freedom fighters.

739 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:56:08am

Folks,
I understand that we are pissed off by the latest crime of the islamofascists and we need a mouse to play with, but don't feed the idiot.

It is not the right day to talk with this kind of scum.
These leftists (or muslims) come here MAINLY to offend the memory of the Victims of terrorism.

Ignore them, the crap they post has been answered millions of times, everybody knows it.

740 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:56:39am

#734 pini


you're not answering the questions of people here...

so far you've been asked about your service record (if you're going to suggest that WE join up, then surely you did)

and you've been asked your opinion of Clinton's lack of retailation for the Cole, and Clinton's lack of action on the YEARS he spent in office knowing all about Bin Laden and the danger he posed.


better start talking, or you'll find yourself at the short end of the ignore stick .

741 Ashley Pomeroy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:56:56am

I think like a lot of people here my first thought was of the Rainbow Warrior, back in the 1980s, sunk by French secret service agents; it would have been absolutely fascinating if the French had been trying to smear London's safety record in the eyes on the IOC, but their plan had gone wrong, or their agents had completely fowled everything up and killed people accidentally. Still.

I used to live in London; I moved out about a year after September 11, for this kind of reason. I can't see myself moving back any time soon.

742 maddog44  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:57:06am

Uhfortunately, I don't think "I've had a gutfull" is a very typical Englishman these days. I think London is "Moonbat central" I hope I am wrong, but I think the response could very well be closer to Madrid 2004 than London during 1944. Time will tell.

743 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:58:05am

#740 lancekates - "so far you've been asked about your service record (if you're going to suggest that WE join up, then surely you did)"

Never served. My number was 244, the draft went to 210 my year.

744 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:59:07am

Anybody recover those Clinton memoes in Sandy Burglar's jock yet?

745 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:59:26am

#726 JohninLondon

My gut feel at the moment is that the death toll will reach 50 or more. And British TV will be filled with burned and blackened British victims for days to come.

Think so? Or will they get amnesia? I don't know about the British media, but it was only about a day after 9/11 when the American media started sanitizing.

746 Mike in Boulder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:59:30am

I hope the overall British response to these attacks will be more American rather than Spanish. The Stockholm Syndrome that is paralyzing Europe is amazing.

747 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:59:44am

#739 Poitiers-Lepanto

I agree. We can debate whether Bush should have done more to prevent 9-11 over and over again, but this post should really be about what happened today. Perhaps Pissella's just getting some practice in for the upcoming 7-7 conspiricy theories, but I don't think we should assist him sharepning his knives.

Now if he has anything stupid to say about today...

748 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 7:59:51am

Pineiella

If Al-Queda had no ties to Saddam Hussein, and had nothing to do with Iraq, then why is it blowing stuff up in Spain and England right now in order to force our allies to leave the Iraqi war?

This seems like an awful lot of effort to go to for a regime they allegedly despised for being secular. And it can't be because they care diddly-squat about the Iraqi people---they certainly didn't when Saddam was killing them by the thousands, and stuffing them into paper shredders.

749 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:00:10am

740 lance

you didn't catch it? The finger waggin', "Bush Knew"...the quoting of hack sources, the bold print, the heavy capitalization..


piniella...is Howard Dean.

750 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:00:19am

#740 lancekates - "and you've been asked your opinion of Clinton's lack of retailation for the Cole"

The culprits were identified in mid-December. Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

Bush did NOTHING.

751 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:00:52am

#739 Poitiers-Lepanto

Agreed. Troll, go away. We can play when things are not so grim.

752 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:00:53am

Hey Piniella, before you get banned, once and for all for you uncouth, off-topic, moronic posts today:

CIA review finds no evidence Saddam had ties to Islamic terrorists

So the Pali bombers families' Saddam paid WEREN'T "Islamic" or "terrorists?"

Feck off.

OR, instead, post your address and picture so Karl Rove's gang of Zionist Crusaders will know where to pick you up when the time comes to go "camping".

753 Bubbaman  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:01:05am

#731 Dekalb

I saw the same article and it didn't surprise me. The "condemnation" was more of an appeal to the Brits not to slaughter the Muslims in the aftermath. Typical Muslim weanies.

754 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:01:39am

#748 talking head - "If Al-Queda had no ties to Saddam Hussein, and had nothing to do with Iraq, then why is it blowing stuff up in Spain and England right now in order to force our allies to leave the Iraqi war?"

Al-Queda has been consistent in wanting "infidel" armies out of Muslim countries.

755 Ferris Bueller  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:01:43am

pinhead seems to feel that Iraq has nothing to do with al Qaeda. Yet, al-Qaeda carries out terror attacks to drive the coalition out of Iraq. So, apparently, the terrorists understand that Iraq ia a front on the war against Islamo-fascism, even if pinhead doesn't.

756 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:02:02am
757 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:02:08am

734 pindick

The 9/11 Report also clearly lays out the decision - and reasoning for it - by the Clinton Administration not to go ahead with the planned 1998 capture of OBL.

Can you honestly sit there and say they didn't blow it? Pu-leeze.

758 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:02:09am

Let's hear it, Pini!

what about Clinton and Al-Queda?

760 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:02:13am
Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

And yet you follow your own words up by saying BUSH did nothing?

YOU are the enemy, my friend.

761 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:03:22am

754 pindick

Then lets ask the same of them and kick their infidel asses out of our country. Deal?

762 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:03:36am

#744 terp mode - "Anybody recover those Clinton memoes in Sandy Burglar's jock yet? "

As the national archivist said, there is nothing to recover because Berger only had COPIES.

763 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:02am
#740 lancekates - "so far you've been asked about your service record (if you're going to suggest that WE join up, then surely you did)"

Piniella did serve--with John Kerry and the Winter Soldiers.

764 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:10am
765 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:17am

#743 pini


didn't ask if you were drafted... you're telling us to go and volunteer... surely you wouldn't do such a thing unless you volunteered... which you didn't. so that makes you a hyppocrite. that's all I was getting at. so quick to have others defend your freedom for you.

766 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:28am

#750 piniella

The culprits were identified in mid-December. Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

Bush did NOTHING.

CLINTON DID NOTHING!

Instead, he spent the last few months of his second term with his tongue firmly planted in Arafat's ear (to which Arafat responded by waging war against Israel when Clinton's tongue simply wasn't long or hard enough.)

767 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:29am

750 pinhead

and your linky for this is?

768 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:29am

#761 loppyd - "Then lets ask the same of them and kick their infidel asses out of our country. Deal? "

What Muslim armies?

769 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:33am

#733 American Infidel
What JustDanny said makes a lot of sense. In a fear society, people who oppose the regime know not to speak up. And when it is an Islamist society that is the fear society, those who oppose those who have the power are scared enough not to speak up and certainly not act. They cannot be outwardly anti-Islamist unless they are willing to pay the price, which can be very heavy.

770 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:46am

#750 pinhead

Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

Then you are admitting that Clinton was a coward who preferred to protect his legacy rather than punish those responsible for taking American lives.

Thank you for confirming your ignorance.

771 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:04:50am

I certainly claim no political or military brilliance, but it seems to me that time is long overdue for the U.S. and Britain, and any other allies to tell Pakistan's dictator Pervez Musharraf that time's up.

If Osama (and I'm still not totally convinced he's alive) and his cronies are hiding out somewhere along the Pakistan and Afghanistan border, seems that payback is now in order and that the U.S. and British Military will now take full access to any territory required to blow these sorry f*cks off the face of the earth once and for all.

How long are we going to fight this war politically and with one hand tied behind our backs? We need to give the military full authority to do what needed to be done back in 2002.

772 Ashley Pomeroy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:05:33am

Rudy Giulani (sp?) has just been on the BBC1 news, in an interview; he was slick, a professional politician, and I can see why people voted for him. I know nothing about the substance of his reign as King of New York, but his presentation is excellent in a way that eludes most British politicians, he looks slick, authoritative, but approachable and substantial at the same time.

Ken Livingstone, the present mayor of London, is on a plane heading from Singapore to London, which is understandable but it means that he's unable to make a television statement or appear on the news. I would vote for Giulani as mayor of London... if I lived in London, which I do not.

773 brent  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:05:50am

#734 - FAA warnings in 2001

Those warnings go back well before 2001, look at the old Boston Globes (no links for you).

The Clinton / Gore re-election effort sold
airport security down the river for voter support. If you want to fixate on how Bush didn't fix airport security in time to stop 9/11, you're not really a big-picture kind of thinker.

Thinker might be a stretch, for that matter.

774 Austin Conservative  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:05:51am

Nuke Mecca & Medina Now.

Go short on glass, it will be plentiful soon (though radioactive)

775 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:05:56am

#740 LanceKates

you're not answering the questions of people here...

That's because its nothing but a pathetic little troll. Don't feed it.

776 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:06:07am

#766 rightasrain - "CLINTON DID NOTHING!"


1996

Clinton administration brokers an agreement with the government of Sudan to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks, Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart. No media operation bothers to look into what influence the Saudis' old friends in the Bush family may have had in convincing the Saudis to refuse to cooperate.

1998

-- Clinton gives the CIA a green light to use whatever covert means are necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist activities against the United States.

-- The CIA, under Clinton, trains and equips five dozen commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden. The efforts collapse when a military coup overthrows the Pakistani government and installs a new one.

-- Clinton signs a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin joint covert operations against bin Laden and Afghanistan's Taliban regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since.

-- Clinton's unleashes cruise missile attacks on bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan, following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside Afghanistan -- American forces miss killing bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

-- Republicans (led by Trent Lott) and Naderites (led by Ralph Nader) accuse Clinton of only firing missiles in order to divert media attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign against bin Laden would have stirred up even more criticism.

777 mrgreen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:07:21am

Well, it didn't take long... someone suggested that the MSM would soon be watering down the significance of today's attacks by squawking about previous IRA bombings... well, here it is, Yahoo news has a list of all the times IRA bombs killed Britons... and at the end of the list today's bombing implies that the Islamofascists are no worse that what Britons have done to themselves many times over.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

778 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:07:38am

Oh my.
Instead of feeding the troll, say one prayer more for the Families of the Victims !
Post about what we should do TODAY and TOMORROW to muck the fuslim invaders !

Please, please, please.

Do you realize that LGF is one of the few places in the world where the leftists have an audience ? Nobody cares about them !

779 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:07:44am

#770 totallysirius - "Then you are admitting that Clinton was a coward who preferred to protect his legacy rather than punish those responsible for taking American lives."

Why did Cheney refuse to counter-attack?

780 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:08:05am
#687 JustDanny

In all these islamic dictatorships there are fifth columns as well. There are many millions of 'atheists and apostates and many who are strongly anti islam*', living in those countries.

I am with you Danny...

Let the bashing begin. Just beware of what you might get in return.

781 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:08:07am

Asshat:

He didn't know they were copies - they were planted and marked because he had taken other documents and the Archives became suspicious.

Sandy Berger (search) pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in federal court. Berger, who served as President Clinton's national security adviser, is acknowledging that it wasn't an honest mistake and that he intentionally took and destroyed copies of classified documents from the National Archives (search) and cut them up with scissors.
782 Abu Messerschmitt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:08:39am

#766 Right As Rain --- Actually, I think Clinton in his last months was too busy auctioning off pardons to bother himself with something as unimportant as, you know, responding to terrorism.

783 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:09:01am

#750 pini

Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

no, clinton did this:

So Clinton talked tough. But he did not act tough. Indeed, a review of his years in office shows that each time the president was confronted with a major terrorist attack — the February 26, 1993, bombing of the World Trade Center, the Khobar Towers attack, the August 7, 1998, bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole — Clinton was preoccupied with his own political fortunes to an extent that precluded his giving serious and sustained attention to fighting terrorism.

and this:

Clinton had a solid rationale, and would most likely have had solid public support, for strong military action. Yet he did nothing. Perhaps he didn't want to endanger the cherished goal of Middle East peace. Perhaps he didn't want to disrupt the 2000 presidential campaign, then in its last days. Perhaps he didn't know quite what to do. But in the end, the ball was kicked a bit farther down the field.

as you can read here

784 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:09:06am
CIA review finds no evidence Saddam had ties to Islamic terrorists


"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

      President Clinton
      Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
      February 17, 1998
      [Link: www.cnn.com...]
 


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

      Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
      Addressing the US Senate
      October 10, 2002
      [Link: clinton.senate.gov...]
 


"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."

      Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
      During an interview on CNN's "Late Edition"
      February 24, 2002
      [Link: www.cnn.com...]
 


"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

      Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
      Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
      February 18, 1998
      [Link: www.fas.org...]
 


"Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983."

      Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National Security Advisor
      Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
      February 18, 1998
      [Link: www.fas.org...]
 

785 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:09:32am

piniella

still waiting for your link to prove your "point" on 750. Bogus time lines on 766 mean dick. Those are your UBER biased opinions...gimmee what you leftist thugs can never provide...good, UNBIASED facts..

786 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:10:21am

Ignore Pinella,

He's too stupid to even argue with. Even the most radical libs I know admit Clinton was a coward and ran the country by polls and his wand. People like Pinella are irrelevant and shouldn't even take one second of your time.

Let God deal with the cowards...

787 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:10:22am

Piniella is exactly right. Based on reports that al Qaeda "might want to" hijack airliners, pre-911, they should have started post 9-11 type screenings. Shoes, pat-downs, random people pulled from lines for complete searches.


Nobody would have complained, and none of Piniellas LLL buddies would have been complaining about a police state or long delays to get on airplanes.

788 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:10:24am

#776 pindrop

Again you are proving our point for us.Everything you wrote confirms that no matter the intentions,the bottom line is "Clinton did nothing"

Thanks

789 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:11:01am

#778 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'm right there with you.

[sigh]

790 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:12:23am

#781 loppyd -

Berger's Plea (WSJ ONLINE)
The Justice Department shows admirable restraint.
[Link: opinionjournal.com...]
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

So we called Justice Department Public Integrity chief prosecutor Noel Hillman, who assured us that Mr. Berger did not deny any documents to history. "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy originals," said Mr. Hillman. "There is no evidence that he did destroy originals. We have objectively and affirmatively confirmed that the contents of all the five documents at issue exist today and were made available to the 9/11 Commission."

791 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:12:45am

Nice work, William.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

HILLARY CLINTON LIED!1!

792 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:12:47am

BREAKING NEWS...Karl Rove planned attack to make Islam look bad and justify Bushitler's "war on Terror" jingoism

-every third moonbat

Yeah!

-the other two moonbats

793 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:13:49am

790 pinhead

link for post #750 please...

794 alegrias  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:14:32am

So we've all been queasy for generations (and president after president) to pull a Catholic Monarchs of Spain/Isabel & Ferdinand ca. 1492 ultimatum to get medieval with Islam and remove them from our 'hoods. Can we get medieval now please?

Making nice and multi-culti aren't working.

795 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:14:44am

#786 goodbye_natalie - "ran the country by polls "

Bush Words Reflect Public Opinion Strategy
By Peter Baker and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 30, 2005; Page A01
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The White House recently brought onto its staff one of the nation's top academic experts on public opinion during wartime, whose studies are now helping Bush craft his message two years into a war with no easy end in sight. Behind the president's speech is a conviction among White House officials that the battle for public opinion on Iraq hinges on their success in convincing Americans that, whatever their views of going to war in the first place, the conflict there must and can be won.
In shaping their message, White House officials have drawn on the work of Duke University political scientists Peter D. Feaver and Christopher F. Gelpi, who have examined public opinion on Iraq and previous conflicts. Feaver, who served on the staff of the National Security Council in the early years of the Clinton administration, joined the Bush NSC staff about a month ago as special adviser for strategic planning and institutional reform.

796 Kevin Shook  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:05am

#776 Piniella

Republicans (led by Trent Lott) and Naderites (led by Ralph Nader) accuse Clinton of only firing missiles in order to divert media attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign against bin Laden would have stirred up even more criticism.

A President is supposed to do what is BEST for the country and LEAD the country to take that action. Clinton's lobbing a few cruise missles at bin Laden was not doing what was BEST for the country, rather it was what was BEST for Bill Clinton.

At some point Clinton (and his ardent admirers) HAS to take responsibility for HIS actions. Blaming the Republicans is a cop-out. No one held a gun to Clinton's head and told him what to do. He himself made those bad decisions.

797 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:10am

#776 pinhead

Clinton administration brokers an agreement with the government of Sudan to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks, Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart. No media operation bothers to look into what influence the Saudis' old friends in the Bush family may have had in convincing the Saudis to refuse to cooperate.

Moonbat conspiracy theory alert.

You guys are down, dirty and dishonest.

798 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:12am

790 pindick

Don't quote op-ed pages to me. I don't care what the WSJ thinks. He plead guilty and admitted it was not unintentional. HIS WORDS. In a court of law...of which there is a transcript.

799 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:41am

DNFTT!

800 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:50am

I see a lot of folk wondering what the response of the British people will be today. When I went to work the general feeling was kill the b***ds. George Galloway is a media whore. Always has to say explosive things. He is loathed in Glasgow. I really wouldn't pay very much attention to him.

I think there will be a renewed stiffening of the upper lip over here. I don['t see any Madrid fawning where I live.

801 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:15:53am

#779 piniella

Why did Cheney refuse to counter-attack?

What the hell are you bloviating about?

Do you have any proof,links,traceable quotes,unimpeachable evidence?

BTW you are stupid,Cheney is only VP,Bush is Commander in Chief,only the president can order the military.

Go back and study the constitution before you embarrass yourself any more.

802 Gringo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:16:32am

Heard a report on Fox where a spokesman was speaking from London (didn't catch who), he he was talking about the bus and said, "There were twenty two (?) killed in this particular instance. THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE? WTF When will these people get a clue and stop PCing everything? Repeat after me bozo...THIS PARTICULAR TERRORIST ATTACK or better yet, but probably too much to ask for: This particular Muslim Terrorist Attack.
It is not an "instance" for God's sake. Damn! These people piss me off!

803 oldprof  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:16:55am

I only have one complaint to make about the US. They won't let an fat old crippled ex-E4 back into uniform!

I'd go back into Blue in a split second!

I think its time to gt in there and show there sons of bitches who they are messing with. The Brits got slammed because the backed us!

To my British friends - I have no doubt that America will back you as you have ALWAYS backed us when the chips are down. An US- UK disagreement is just a family Tiff!

G-d Bless the United Kingdom.

804 Empire1  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:17:39am

Seems like this poem is appropriate right now (yes, I'm quite fond of Rudyard Kipling):

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"

If the British politicos don't recall this, I'm sure the people will be happy to remind them -- especially of the last verse!

805 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:17:49am

Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - The National Security Archive
today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, January 25, 2001, memo from counterterrorism
coordinator Richard Clarke to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice - the first terrorism strategy
paper of the Bush administration.
Clarke's memo requests an immediate meeting of the National Security Council's Principals Committee to
discuss broad strategies for combating al-Qaeda by giving counterterrorism aid to the Northern Alliance and
Uzbekistan, expanding the counterterrorism budget and responding to the U.S.S. Cole attack.
Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration."
Also attached to the original Clarke memo are two Clinton-era documents relating to al-Qaeda. The first, "Tab A December 2000 Paper: Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida:
Status and Prospects," was released to the National Security Archive along with the Clarke memo. "Tab B,
September 1998 Paper: Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," also known as the Delenda Plan, was attached to the original memo, but was not released to the Archive and remains under request with the National Security Council.
Asked by Hadley to offer major initiatives, on January 25, 2001 Clarke forwarded his December
2000 strategy paper and a copy of his 1998 Delenda plan to the new national security adviser,
Condoleezza Rice. Clarke laid out a proposed agenda for urgent action by the new Administration:
Approval of covert assistance to the Northern Alliance; significantly increase funding; choosing a
standard of evidence for attributing responsibility for the Cole and deciding on a response; going
forward with new Predator missions in the spring and preparation of an armed version; and more
work on terrorist fundraising.

[Link: www2.gwu.edu...]

806 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:18:59am

#801 totallysirius - "BTW you are stupid,Cheney is only VP,Bush is Commander in Chief,only the president can order the military."

True but Cheney speaks FOR Bush.

807 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:19:42am

Al Qaeda declared war on America in 1996.

The Clinton administration spent the next four years waiting to hand the problem over to the next administration.

808 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:19:49am

piniella
you don't have any proof for this assertion you made in 750 do you?...

The culprits were identified in mid-December. Clinton preferred to let the incoming Administration handle the response rather than stick them with the consequences.

Then why lie? Why not just state that was your opinion? Better yet, you don't even know why you hate Pres. Bush, you just do. It would be more honest if you just said you didn't like his hair or something...

you are a lying, manipulative POS!

809 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:20:44am

#806 pini


HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA

*ignored pini for all time on the grounds of stupidity*

810 Prester John  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:20:56am

From bbb.co.uk:

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair promises the "most intense" police and security forces action to bring those who carried out the London attacks to justice.

He says the terrorists "act in the name of Islam" but he knows most Muslims worldwide "deplore this act of terrorism".

Do they now? You would hope so, but...

(crickets chirping)

811 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:21:15am

#793 PAX - "790 pinhead

link for post #750 please... "

Sorry, I'm just relying on memory for that.

812 brent  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:21:34am

#790 Berger destroyed copies...

Problem, Berger destroyed copies of documents with original comments and notes on them, taken during classified briefings.

What was said and written during these briefings is forever "lost". Destroyed.

What was this to hide, who was this to protect? Berger should rot for this, but he'll probably get a book deal and guest op-eds in the NYT for life.

813 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:21:56am

Pinella-

You've got it all wrong, please stick to the talking points.

Rove speaks for Bush
Cheney speaks for Halliburtan
Mik al-Moor speaks for you

Got it?

814 skippyMoment  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:22:03am

May the LORD of all comfort the wounded and grieving families of the dead.

May he strengthen the British, the people of Europe, America, the the rest of the world to face the reality of what we are dealing with and the nature of those bent on our destruction.

And may the LORD of all smite the murderous thugs who committed this and other vicious attacks on innocent peoples. Theses attacks are not because they have been insulted, misunderstood, imposed upon, or tortured by being made to wear panties on their heads, but because they want to dominate and subjugate the world under their twisted idiology. These sick f*ckers want to get to their orgie with the 72 raisins, fine, then I say give them what they want... a one way ticket to their eternity.

815 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:22:19am

Piniella,

Hillary Clinton LIED, and you did NOTHING! How do YOU live with yourself?

I see the Union Jack is flying high. HOORAY!

816 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:22:24am

#808 PAX - "you don't even know why you hate Pres. Bush, you just do. "

1751

817 Almostout  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:23:25am

Piniella, is that a spanish last name?

818 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:23:53am

GALLOWAY BLAMES BUSH & BLAIR

Stalinist idiot George Galloway has issued a statement of condolence for the families of those murdered today.

Of course, being the idiot arsehole that Galloway is, he also took the opportunity to excuse the terrorists by blaming the West for provoking them.

linky

We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.

We urge the government to remove people in this country from harms way, as the Spanish government acted to remove its people from harm, by ending the occupation of Iraq and by turning its full attention to the development of a real solution to the wider conflicts in the Middle East.

Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence.

Galloway's solution to terrorism is to do exactly what we are told to do by Islamists.

Strangely, appeasing the political demands of terrorists didn't seem to protect the Spanish.

After the Madrid bombing, they folded at the knees, elected a socialist government and withdrew their troops from Iraq. Yet a few months after, they still had to tackle an Al Qaeda cell planning further attacks.

819 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:24:02am

Pinhead, Islamic terrorism really pumps you up, doesn't it? It empowers you. It makes you want to get out there and try to make things worse.

You are allied with our enemies.

You are a traitor.

820 Kevin Shook  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:24:09am

Didn't Clarke call the Saudis and warn them of Clinton's intention to bomb bin Laden's camp in Afgahnistan? He is also the official who approved the bin Laden family members' suddent departure from the US after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, right? Interesting how a "hero" of the Left appears to be such a close "friend" of the Saudis. But since he has no ties to "Big Oil" or Halliburton, he obviously is true American patriot.

821 nyc anti idiotarian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:24:10am

"We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success"


military attack my ass

COWARDS

i am well heeled and alert, try pulling off another one of these in MY city where i can see you,,

,,,please

822 Abu Messerschmitt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:24:40am

#786 - Goodbye Gnat

1. All right, I'll take the pledge and ignore pinhead. Although the temptation to make it reconcile how Bush lied about WMD but Clinton told the truth about WMD is quite strong. It's kind of the Schrodinger's cat of moonbat dillemmas. The WMD's were there when Clinton warned about them, but Bush lied because there never were any WMD's.

2. Any lizards who can recommend a good family law attorney in Oregon, please e-mail me.

3. Does James Lileks fear that your nic is a veiled threat against his daughter?

823 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:25:19am

The British Flag is out ! Great ! Thank you Charles !

/the last one to notice it, I know, I know...

824 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:25:28am

Why is anyone bothering to argue with a finger-pointing idiot when our thoughts should be with the dead and gravely wounded in London?

GAZE

825 LthrNck  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:25:29am

#776:

In December of 1998, operation Desert Fox commenced resulting in a 3 day campaign, 600 air sorties and hundreds of cruise missiles launched against Iraq. This was just months after 70 cruise missiles were launched against Afghanistan and the Sudan in retaliation for the embassy bombings.

So, why did we commit more resources to bombing Iraq?

826 Ashley Pomeroy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:25:47am

>>>>
When I went to work the general feeling was kill the b***ds. George Galloway is a media whore.

827 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:26:29am

#819 rightasrain - "You are a traitor."

No but the person who outed Valerie Plame is. Do you know how many died because of a despicable political attack?

828 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:26:35am

I know I'm generally preaching to the choir here at LGF, but sometimes a reminder is worth stating.

The first battle we need to win is to put some fire-breather into the Supreme Court and get rid of the last bastion of liberal persuasion in this country.

Then we can declare open season on limp dicks (i.e., Pinella) and the crappy newspapers. Hell, the NYTimes is so hard up, they're advertising in little town Oklahoma now about "fair and balanced." If they get two new subscriptions, I'll be surprised.

829 Victor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:27:38am

From the note claiming responsibility:

“Rejoice, Islamic nation!"

Know thy enemy. The inability to properly identify your enemy, and/or an unwillingness to know him, is deadly. This enemy is not "radicals" or "islamofascists", or "terror", or "terrorists", or "fundamentalists". This enemy is Islam -- standard, mainstream, Islam. This is why, even though we are fighting and killing "terrorists" halfway across the world, we are still vulnerable to another 9/11, for there are Muslims among us, and to be a good Muslim means to follow the theory of Islam, as set forth in its books, and to follow the practices of Islam, as recorded in 1400 years of history, and when that happens, infidels die.

The enemy is Islam. Islamic savagery is promoted in its foundation documents. Islamic depredations are documented in 1400 years of history. It is only ignorance of Islam -- its theory and practice -- by Western infidels that allows Islamic savagery to afflict our societies.

What monumentally naive folly it was to allow mass muslim migration to the West! Pure ignorance. Ignorance is combatted by information. People need to be informed about the actual theory and practice of Islam, in order to make it politically possible to:

• end Muslim migration to the West.
• close radical mosques
• deport non-citizen Muslims
• choke off the fuel of jihad -- oil.
• contain dar ul islam in its own lands, impoverished and impotent.

We don't need to nuke anything, we just need to disengage with Islam, and keep them the hell away from us.

Islam is the enemy.

Spread the word.

830 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:27:38am

Galloway is such a blow-hard it's tough to take him seriously, but...

He wants to let the jihadists to do what they want all over the world, killing infidels and believers alike. If we don't make them any more mad than they already are, maybe, just maybe, they will spare London for the time being. Talk about a stand up guy, wonder what his thoughts had been if someone in his family had been in the WTC on 9-11.

831 uptight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:27:50am

oops - repeating old new - i should learn to read before posting!

832 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:28:33am

#822 abu - "Although the temptation to make it reconcile how Bush lied about WMD but Clinton told the truth about WMD is quite strong. "

THE BUCK STOPS HERE

- HARRY S. TRUMAN

833 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:28:35am

811 PINhEAD
and your "reliable" memory I am supposed to trust knowing your past distortive record?


rrriiiggght...

you prove your own stupidity

834 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:28:50am

1996 - Clinton on Bin Laden:

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan.

And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again - they released him.

At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't, and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

      Bill Clinton
      February 2002
      At a business luncheon on New York's Long Island
     


      (MP3 audio file)
 


Eh, "he had committed no crime against America" -- treating terrorism as law enforcement problem. What a legacy.

The first World Trade Center bombing was on Feb. 26, 1993, one month into the Clinton administration. The islamic terrorists blew a hole six stories deep beneath the North Tower intending to topple it onto the South Tower and kill over 50,000 American civilians. Clinton did nothing. He did not even visit the site. Worse, he allowed the attack to be categorized as a criminal act by individuals, even though its mastermind -- as the administration soon discovered -- was an Iraqi intelligence agent named Ramzi Youssef.

The second al Qaeda attack took place 10 months later in Mogadishu, Somalia. It was an attack on American military forces who were in the country to bring food to the starving Somalis. In the battle, which has been memorialized in "Black Hawk Down," 18 American soldiers were killed and the body of one was dragged through the streets in a gesture designed to humiliate the world's greatest superpower. Clinton's response? Turned tail and ran.

In 1995, Ramzi Youssef was captured in the Philippines with plans to use commercial airliners to blow up CIA headquarters, among other targets. This al Qaeda plot was termed "Operation Bojinka," which means "the big bang." After the discovery of Operation Bojinka, Al Gore was appointed to head a task force to tighten airport security. Its key recommendations, which would have prevented September 11, were rejected by the White House on the grounds that they might be construed as "racial profiling."

In 1996, the Khobar Towers -- a barracks housing U.S. soldiers -- was blown up in Saudia Arabia by islamic terrorists. Nineteen U.S. servicemen were killed but the Saudis refused to cooperate in tracking down the killers. The Clinton administration did nothing.

In 1998, the year of Monica Lewinsky, al Qaeda

835 brent  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:29:02am

Outed Valerie Plame? You're just going right down the Michael Moore home page, aren't you?

What happens when that 'traitor' turns out to be her husband, and not the hand of Rove?

Boogah Boogah Boogah.

836 Kevin Shook  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:29:06am

It is good to see the Union Jack flying at the top of the page. Never thought that seeing it would make me feel so good. May God bless the British.

837 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:29:47am

#52 piperfromtn

If history is any indicator as to how the British will act to this barbaric act, I think the terrorists should go and hide. They stood up to Hitler's V-2 attacks, prior to U.S. involvement in WW2 and I believe they will step up to the plate on this too...


That was in the 1940s. This is 2005. Back then they had a bulldog spirit and blamed Hitler. Today there are too many PC pussies who'll blame Blair, Bush, indeed anyone but the primeval savages who carry out such atrocities in the name of Allah Akbar, for fear of offending Islam - the evil religion of murderous savages, homicide bombers, headchoppers, misogynists, barbarians etc.

838 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:30:20am
No but the person who outed Valerie Plame is. Do you know how many died because of a despicable political attack?

The only casualty of the Plame affair was Joe Wilson's credibility.

839 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:30:25am

what're you all talking about? I don't see the british flag anywhere... just ours in the right corner (or is that what you're referring to?)

840 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:30:33am

"Talk about a stand up guy, wonder what his thoughts had been if someone in his family had been in the WTC on 9-11. "

If Karl Rove had made those comments at Ground Zero, he'd be lucky to find his teeth on the sidewalk.

841 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:31:00am

That's a new one. I've never heard anyone claim that "outing" Ms. Plame killed people before.

842 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:31:09am

# 590

Actually it would more sequentially accurate to say that National Socialism was the new Islam.

You still have a valid point though.

843 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:31:16am

#827 pinhead

Do you know how many died because of a despicable political attack?

How many people have died because Valerie Plume - (whose name has been said a billion times by the left since one article mentioned it and whose husband wrote a book about his wife being a CIA operative) - was mentioned by name in an article?

If revealing her name was such a dangerous matter, why did her husband write a book about her being a CIA operative?

Why aren't they in hiding instead of trying to milk this for all the publicity they can possibly get from it?

844 calanthe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:32:18am

Thank you for the flag change. Brought a wee tear to my eye.

845 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:32:55am

Please Note:

The troll is fairly notorious for using tons of bandwidth and using the same assertions over and over... in this case, this troll needs to be not fed... it will return at a later date, but at this time, it is only feeding off our posts for it's own entertainment.

From someone very familiar with this particular troll.

Thanks...

846 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:33:17am

Abu #822,

#1 I know the temptation is great to argue with limp noodles like Pinella who cut and post from lib papers because they don't have a personal thought besides hating Bush and have never had a girlfriend.

#2 Can't help but I hope it's to argue a huge inheritance.

#3 I like Lileks but I'm not familiar with the Natalie portion if that was directed to me.

847 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:33:36am

#841 LibraryGryffon

That's a new one. I've never heard anyone claim that "outing" Ms. Plame killed people before.

This was a new one for me, too.

Pinhead is showing desperation now.

Plame and husband are still waving her name around to sell his book about her being a CIA operative, meanwhile.

848 JustDanny  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:33:49am

Jordyptian Ofishal speaks:
The deadly terrorism in London this morning is "different" from the Palestinian militant struggle against the Jewish state and should not be used by Israeli officials to "score points" diplomatically, senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said in an exclusive WorldNetDaily interview.

"I can't stand making these comparisons," said Erekat, when asked if the bomb blasts in London can be compared to Palestinian suicide attacks against Israeli civilians. "Israel and others shouldn't try to use today's tragedy to score points against anyone else. Let's not make any comparisons."

849 piniella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:34:06am

#843 rightasrain - "If revealing her name was such a dangerous matter, why did her husband write a book about her being a CIA operative?"

The damage had already been done. Time to punish the leaker(s).

850 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:35:12am

823 Poitiers

Hello ... a sad day indeed.

BG

But we and our allies will persevere.

851 9Iron  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:35:39am

#840 piniella 7/7/2005 10:30AM PDT

"Talk about a stand up guy, wonder what his thoughts had been if someone in his family had been in the WTC on 9-11. "

If Karl Rove had made those comments at Ground Zero, he'd be lucky to find his teeth on the sidewalk.


OK, clearly I'm not as smart as you, Pissella, but what problem do you think Rove would have encountered if he pointed out that the anti-war obstructionalists getting in our way for proper military retailiation in the wake of 9-11 might think differently if one of his members had been killed? I think he would have been cheered.

852 john jay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:35:39am

The more I find out about this, the more I am convinced that al Qaeda is on it's last legs.

-they didn't have sufficient explosives for the job. Not hundreds of pounds of explosives, tens of pounds. Less than a hundred pounds total. They just didn't have the resources to kill many people.

-they must have been trying to start fires in the subway system. They didn't have the right tools for the job. It's a pathetic strategy. They didn't even know if it would work. They couldn't plan it thoroughly. It failed.

-they had to strike from the very center of their operations. Maybe Paris has more radical Muslims, but London is the intellectual center of fundamentalist Islam in Europe. They couldn't export the murders to another city, implying they hadn't sufficient support elsewhere. There was nowhere to send the terrorists to.

-their attack was pathetic, compared to what Britons have seen before. All they have done is galvanize a wavering public.

I only wish there was more news about fundamentalist mosques and clerics being rounded up.

853 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:36:24am

Everyone... let's remember this quote when it turns out that the 'leaker' was someone involved with Left Wing groups, trying to muck up the Bush Administration:

#849: Time to punish the leaker(s).
854 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:36:41am

#834 William

Eh, "he had committed no crime against America" -- treating terrorism as law enforcement problem. What a legacy.


Pity it didn't occur to Clinton to send a few assassins out there to put a bullet or two in OBLs brain.

855 yankev  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:37:16am

#171

Time for the Roman decimation theory. Romans chose to kill one in 10 enemies as reprisals for any attacks on their territory.

Are you wsure? I was always taught that decimation was the punishment against a rebellious or ill performing Roman Legion. Rome would be left too weakened if the entire Legion were executed, so the men would be lined up and every tenth one would be executed. That way the legion was still left with 90% strength.

Decimation punished the survivors as well because it meant the death of their comrades, and -- I would assume -- because they would have to work and fight harder to pick up the slack.

856 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:37:20am

#845 BG

Some just aren't listening...
[sigh]

857 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:37:26am

845 {Bubbles}

I'm taking your advice and WDTSBFMAD.

Deep breathing techniques being practiced...

858 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:38:17am

#854 Spirit

nah... that's too much of a solution for a liberal to come up with. besides... if a problem is solved, then they can't set up a committee to 'figure out the problem' like he did wit Health Care (and that sure changed health care for the better...didn't it?)

859 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:39:59am

#806 pinko

Once again you prove your ignorance by repeating democrat talking points without one shred of evidence to back it up.

You are an Agent Provocateur,and a very poor one at that.

So far you have danced around or avoided every call for proof of your statements.

Put up or shut up.

860 vxbush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:40:15am

855 yankev

No, I'm with the poster in #171; decimation was used against those who were captured by the Roman armies.

861 Nigella  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:40:23am

#849 I promised I wouldn't respond to trolls, but the person who probably "outed" Plame was hubby Joe. Even if by some chance it was someone in the administration the concensus in Washington was that it was old news and not done to hurt her. The buzz in the beltway is that the investigation is no longer about the outing but about someone perjuring themselves. My vote is Joe. He has been caught in numerous lies about the situation as has his lovely wife.

862 Carl B  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:41:24am

#848 JustDanny

This from Al-Reuters. Erekat isn't the only RoPer trying to differentiate terrorist from terrorist.

Iran and Syria, both on Washington's list of states sponsoring terrorism, joined an unbroken chorus of condemnation, as did the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas and Lebanon's Shi'ite Muslim Hizbollah guerrillas.
863 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:42:01am
That was in the 1940s. This is 2005. Back then they had a bulldog spirit and blamed Hitler. Today there are too many PC pussies who'll blame Blair, Bush, indeed anyone but the primeval savages

This is why I keep wondering if we'll have to deal with our own traitorous idjits here in the West before we can truly deal with evil abroad. You can't fight the good fight with your own cousin hanging onto one of your arms.

864 vxbush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:42:15am

861 Nigella

I also heard that it was fairly common knowledge that Joe's wife was CIA, even if no one came out and said it. I don't recall where I heard that, though. Bummer.

865 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:42:20am

#857 loppyd

sent ya an email

866 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:42:25am

BG

You are right,there is no getting through to it,it is too programmed by the moonbat league.

I'm done,like someone said,insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

I'm not insane...yet.

867 Kantana  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:42:35am

Europe has a choice:

1-Deport all muslims as humanely and as fast as possible from Europe back to the muslim countries.

2-Complete and utter chaos,civil wars,world wars and genocide.

..And Europe already decided a long time ago:

There is no danger for Belgium according to a politician who stressed his lies quite clearly, publicly on national TV.
There was no danger in either World War nor in the Balkan wars.
There is no danger for appeasers,please go back to sleep !pretty please..please ?

868 brinster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:44:09am

Nigella, thank you. You saved me the trouble of posting the same thing. Joe's a serial liar, so his pathology points in the direction of being the leaker.

869 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:44:37am

#867 Katana

just like Russia was not in trouble of Hitler turning on them when they appeased Hitler and trained his troops.

870 Prester John  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:44:52am

The more I find out about this, the more I am convinced that al Qaeda is on it's last legs.

You do have to wonder if, after almost 4 years of semi-all out war, this is the best they can do. You also have to wonder what kind of unknown victories the good guys are having against the Islamofascists around the world. And as a side note, anyone else notice how relatively quiet Iraq has been the last week? Coincidence, or...?

871 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 8:45:05am