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Thu, Jul 7, 2005 at 11:44:14 am PDT

A horrific scene outside the British Medical Association building: ‘The whole of the front of the building was covered with blood.’

A GP who helped treat casualties following today’s bus explosion outside the London headquarters of the British Medical Association has described the scene.

Dr Laurence Buckman, from the BMA’s GPs committee, said the front of BMA House in Tavistock Square was splattered with blood and body parts were strewn across the road.

The building was turned into a mini hospital while casualties were moved away from the road and were waiting to be taken to hospital.

Dr Buckman told SocietyGuardian.co.uk that he was on his way to a meeting at the BMA and arrived 10 minutes after the bus exploded outside the building.

He said: “I arrived at the BMA just as the first ambulance arrived. My first impression was about the amount of blood. The whole of the front of the building was covered with blood - quite high up, I suspect that was because the upstairs of the bus had been blown off.”

There was also a lot of smashed glass and metal everywhere, he said.

Dr Buckman said ambulance staff told him there were around 10 people dead in the blast. Two people died in the BMA courtyard as doctors tried to treat them.

UPDATE at 7/7/05 11:46:42 am:

Here’s a photo at Getty.

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1 Malleus Dei  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:46:37am

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no
survival."
- Sir Winston Churchill

2 elBarto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:46:42am

Savages.

3 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:46:54am

For the Love of God - We have to redouble and DESTROY MILITANT ISLAM! AAAaaargh!

4 Wino  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:47:32am

That's right! Go after those evil doctors! They're only there to promote death and.. wait a minute...

Those heathen infidel physicians!

/never mind. I just can't get "moonbatty" enough today.

5 AlphaMu42  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:47:39am

The word savages just isn't strong enough...

6 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:47:40am

Savages indeed. It still won't stop the left from conferring "legitimate grievences" onto them and blaming Bush.

7 Joel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:48:33am

This is soemthing that we in the pro Israel community have unfortunately become experienced with. Too bad that thanks to the BBC, Reuters, et al, the UK public had little sympathy for dead Israeli Jews. Nevertheless we are totally on Britain's side during this unbearble ordeal. I hope that Britain can once again summon up the spirit of "London Can Take It."

8 Joel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:50:32am

Does anyone notice the irony of this report being printed in al-Guardian - one of the most pro terrorist, anti Semitic, newspapers in the West?

9 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:51:05am

Time to go fangs out here.

We need to stop fucking with these people and kill every one involved.

I mean anyone with prior knowledge, anyone who payed for it, and anyone who supported it.

Regardless of nationality.

Take them to the towe of london and shoot them in the back of the head.

FUCK THEM.

10 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:51:20am

Someone in the middle of last night posted a link to a more wider and more gruesome image of the building splattered with blood. Don't know if I can track it down again.

11 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:51:47am

I'm waiting--likely in vain--for Tony Blair and the Brits to have an epiphany--i.e. "we face the same enemy as the Israelis".

Instead, I expect a statement soon on how crucial it is to compel Israel to get back to "the peace process" and how the problems will disappear once that issue is finally resolved.

12 hepcat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:52:03am

7/6/05

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said, amid applause at the of California-sponsored speech at the Commonwealth Club of California-sponsored speech at the Renaissance Parc 55 Hotel.

13 keepandbear  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:52:11am

Profiling works people.

If its Islamic it will probably blow up.

all Islamic get full body searches with VERY high intensity X-rays

14 Malleus Dei  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:52:19am

"We need to stop fucking with these people and kill every one involved."

Bingo. If we don't, sooner or later they will kill *us*.

It's them or us, folks. Either you're against them or you're with them.

15 lindsayg  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:53:00am

i just found out about this & dont have time to search other threads to find out if this was discussed- but do you all think maybe this has something to do with abu hamza's trial? i think it started tuesday.

16 Roland O'Gilead  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:54:38am

The best way to deliver those high intensity x-rays is through some W76 warheads at around 100 kt a piece. It will be easier to give a full body search after that.

17 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:54:46am

For the moment, Sir Bob and Bono remain strangely silent.

18 Bar  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:54:57am

Kill all for the glory of gory allah!

009.111 - 9.11.01
YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:

19 sundance  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:55:03am

"Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." Harry Truman

We must repay them in full with fire and blood.

20 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:56:21am

12

Normally I am profane but not vulgar but,

Someone should take a roll of duct tape and a sock and shut that fucking **** up.

21 Joel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:56:32am

The Anticipated Attack by Chirstopher Hitchens

22 elBarto  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:56:58am

I am sure this ahs been posted elsewhere but it just makes me sick, the muslim leader condem the attacks in the context that it puts the muslim community "at risk".
Just like all the mosque bombings in the US after 9-11. Talk about projection.

23 yankeeqprfan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:57:26am

Did anyone want to give in? Were we down-hearted? The lights went out and the bombs came down. But every man, woman and child in the country had no thought of quitting the struggle. London can take it.

Winston Churchill

24 glackinspeil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:57:44am

Just wondering...
Where would they go if we Cruise Missiled
the kaa'ba? Maybe they would just walk around in circles in the desert?
Just curious.

25 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:58:04am

I prefer the term: subhumans

26 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:58:22am

anyone know the official death toll as it now stands? I know it will grow, sadly...

27 Abu Maven  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:58:42am

Why is "terrorist attacks" in quotes in the Gettty Images caption?

Is this to indicate that it wasn't really a terrorist attack, but a legitimate act of resistance?

28 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:58:45am

The Northeast Intelligence Network has a report on it's front page that according to Pentagon sources - one of the spodleydopes in this morning's London terror attack was a recent release from Gitmo. They say the story is still developing...

29 Geepers  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:59:29am

LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM: Blood is splattered 10 metres high on the wall (R) of the British Medical Association near to where a suspected terrorist bomb was exploded on a bus in Woburn Place and Tavistock Square in London 7 July 2005. Explosions ripped through three underground trains and a bus in London Thursday, killing at least 33 people and injuring more than 340 in a wave of "terrorist attacks"

“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,”

“We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success.”

Islamic "success": The blood of woman and children splattered 10 metres high.

30 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:59:34am
31 Copano_Texian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:59:40am

well me knew it was coming, and in broken English we find out who the left will now blame:
It surprise seeing london got bombing today, look at the time (london time) 8:49am that is excatly the same time from sept 11 my theory is WHY same time it seem very odd, because president bush is in England/Scotland, i believe his team who plant the bomb because of the same time. when Blair on news (Bush is behind of blair) i can see bush is very guilty because of his face impression his eye were moving around than left to right than right to left it clearly to seem to me that his lips are slightly smile under the pout lips. how can they say it was terriost BECAUSE IT TIME TIME 8:49am, finish was around 10:50am (i think) it look the same as Sept 11 tower collapse finish. i have worked it out and theory have you had forgotten about timing. SEE what i make sense, Now excatly bush is trying to get away again, the London police said that is not clearly about terriost website because it weak sense. that is not very smart move because bush knew all along with it, if bush wasnt being in president it would be different by now. ONCES again bush keep saying it on now WAR AGAINST TERRIOST is ON. (all he thinking about WAR WAR WAR WAR) when he is going to stop thinking about WAR because he likes VIOLENCE and he likes to KILL MORE PEOPLE because more $$$ on bush HEAD. i believe bush is planning more ATTACK under finger point saying it was TERRIOST.

Comment by RAAFSP — July 7, 2005 @ 2:33 pm
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Freaking dhimmidiots.

32 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:59:51am

OT

Guiliani was there in London!

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

"We feel a tremendous empathy with them. I think every New Yorker would join me in saying we feel we very much understand what you are going through," he said.

"This is a difficult time, but the people of London have responded in the exactly right way, with bravery and by moving forward.

33 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 9:59:55am

i want to email that picture to everyone i know. it's REALITY, people! next time it could be you... or your child... or your spouse.

if we don't go buck wild and balls out against the terrorists, saudis, and everyone connected with this macabre bullshit, we might as well just start buying the bhurkas now.

or... lots and lots of ammo. =)

34 tankdemon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:01:17am

12 hepcat

Once again, a liberal gets cause and effect backward. This war is a result ot terrorism.

35 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:01:34am

The bastard sons of pigs!

36 EE  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:01:48am

All decent people should bury the notion that "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Terrorism is terrorism, no matter what the cause. The BBC, al-Reuters, the Guardian, and all others should join the war on terror. There is no "good" terrorism and "bad" terrorism. Don't be afraid to use the word terrorism. Don't be afraid to categorize an act of murder made against randomly chosen people as terrorism. Don't be afraid to delegitimize terrorism. Join the war on terror.

And don't be afraid to identify the ideology that drives most of the terrorism in the world today: radical Islamism. It is an ideology of hate, of murder, of religious fanaticism, of islamofascism, of hiraba that calls itself jihad, of nihilism, and of a death-cult value system.

Join the resistance to this horrible plague of an ideology.

37 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:01:51am

Kos has decided that this attack is the perfect time to gloat!

Somebody should give him a cattle-prod enema.

38 keepandbear  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:01:51am

#24 glackinspeil

Don't cruise missle it

steal it and put it back in space. Then they'll have to enter the 21st century in order to track it to know what direction to pray.

Or, contaminate it with plutonium. then everyone that kisses it will die quickly and painfully, that'll show their convictions are high.

Islamics don't PRAY they PREY

39 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:02:01am

I'm curious to know what the imams will say in arabic in the mosques tomorrow.

40 Brenda  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:02:23am

Britain should END ALL ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION NOW.

When your sink is overflowing, the first thing to do is turn the water off.

All the yap about "intelligence" is avoiding the obvious. Continuing to welcome the enemy into your country is insane.

Of course, America is just as nutty because of leftist PCBS.

2 - 4 - 6 - 8
There's no right to immigrate!

41 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:03:38am

#39 solomon x

man, i wish i could be (an arabic-speaking) fly on the wall.

42 j-damn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:04:26am
one of the spodleydopes in this morning's London terror attack was a recent release from Gitmo

The Left will say he was an innocent kite-flier in Iraq until a hard long stay in Gitmo turned him/her into a bloodthirsty lunatic.

43 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:04:29am

#37


SCREW EM!

Kos has decided that this attack is the perfect time to gloat!
44 glackinspeil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:05:35am

#38 keepandbear

Back in space...great idea. That would drive 'em nuts.

45 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:05:36am

I'd be interested to hear what that oh so understanding and noble victim of Islam himself, Frank Gardner, of the BBC has to say about Islam now after these bombings. Does he still 'understand' them?

The IRA were dangerous but they didn't do this! Thirty-seven to forty dead and 700 injured.

46 Pete_London  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:05:52am

Charles

That Union flag of ours looks bloody good at the top of the page. I have to say though, it would look even better if you put Old Glory back up there with it.

47 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:06:22am

oh gee, a splodedope just released from our gulag, eh? SHOCKA!

48 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:07:06am

#42 j-damn

Where did you hear that one of the splodeydopes was a GITMO releasee?

49 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:07:13am

Notice the scare quotes around the words "terrorist attacks" in the Getty picture.

50 keepandbear  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:07:58am

Has anyone read what George Galloway has to say about this? I'd be really curious

51 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:26am

Thnaks for sharing the link to that photo. Seriously, as appaling as these pictures are, as many people as possible need to see them.

Hmmm ...on that note, when was the last time you saw moving pictures of those planes flying into those buildings on the MSM or anywhere else, for that matter?

52 sadhu  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:29am

#25

subhumans, first time on 2 feet

round em all up, every friggin' last one of them

unfortunately, I still think it will take even more violence from the [bigoted word]s before the West wakes up and goes savage on em

a bomb here and there is what Israel has been putting up with for decades

enough already

let's end this bs

faster please

53 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:45am

Rudy got a bit too close for comfort:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

54 pajamazon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:48am

# 20
couldn't agree more!

Now let's get down to business. Either you're with us or you're against us.
All muslims shall convert to a non-lethal theology or they will be killed. How's that?

55 [Engineer]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:48am

Well, one piece of good news today. The American stack market is rebounding after losses this morning. We are at break even now and going up. I see this as meaning that the market is taking this attack in stride and saying "up yours" to the terrorists.

56 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:08:51am

George Gallowoy speaks:

We argued, as did the security services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such warnings. e urge the government to remove people in this country from harms way, as the Spanish government acted to remove its people from harm, by ending the occupation of Iraq and by turning its full attention to the development of a real solution to the wider conflicts in the Middle East. Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence.

from Jeff Jarvis

57 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:09:16am

too bad galloway wasnt deaded.

58 [Engineer]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:09:24am

PIMF - stack = stock

59 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:09:36am

#50 keepandbear

Has anyone read what George Galloway has to say about this? I'd be really curious

There's an entire topic about it.

60 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:09:48am

#52 sadhu

It's not Arabs, it's Muslims!

Not all Arabs are Muslims, but all Muslims are members of a death cult.

61 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:09:57am

37 Lizard by the Bay

Maybe someone should tell Kos and the other LLL to get out of thre fucking way of the fight.

62 SlimyBill  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:10:56am

Not sure I agree with the "savages" bit, and i think it just muddies the waters.

Cicero said: "Laws are inoperative in war."

One need not make a moral judgement against Radical Islamists to justify advocating that we relieve them of their lives.

They want my family dead.

Do they feel that way because they are rebelling against Western Colonialism or do they feel that way because they are savages?

Who gives a shit?

(he asks respectfully)

63 keepandbear  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:11:10am

56 Jim in Virginia

Thanks

just as I figured. He doesn't condem the attacks, Just states they are our fault becuase we don't dhimmi down

64 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:12:44am

You know if the Brits do something (correct) about this, like bomb Damascus, Tehran or Riyadh - then I will have no respect for Israel not having done the same years ago.

And if the Brits don't do anything good, ('course that's only my opinion)
then I will not have respect for them.

They need to come up with a guilty party and go after them soon as practical.
At least Bush came up with a guilty party and went after them at the root (Taliban and their hosting Osama).

Who cares if Syria, Iran or Saudi Arabia was not "the" culprit in this one particular 'event' - they are fostering this shit so let's take it to them.

65 kjo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:13:02am

The stuff on Kos today is sickening. How the Left hates us. All they see is that there may be some political advantage to this barbaric act.

Earlier someone on another LGF thread posted a link about some middle eastern men being arrested on June 13 in NYC. They were holding subway plans. This is the first I have heard of this. Anybody know anything about it?

66 remay1  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:13:14am

The sooner we gain the will to make it clear to the WHOLE MUSLIM COMMUNITY that this kind of thing won't stand, the better. We should paper the whole Muslim world with notices that the next time anybody, anywhere is killed by a terrorist, we will destroy a city, utterly. When they find out we're not kidding, or when they are all dead, the violence will stop. The reality is, it is us or them.

67 mattm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:13:59am

#12

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said, amid applause at the of California-sponsored speech at the Commonwealth Club of California-sponsored speech at the Renaissance Parc 55 Hotel.

Just a sad statement to think and aggree that terroism, or killing of innocent Birtish, American or others is terroism, while a suicede bomber killing American troops is an "insurgent." Makes me sick! Anyone who thinks that because of Bush people want to kill us need to tale a look at history starting in the 80's, not from some leftist college proffessor. If you think there was no terroism during the clinton years, then they are 100% worng!

68 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:14:17am

slimy bill,

you don't find "savages" appropriate?

lets just call 'em God's army, asshole.

69 Pete_London  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:15:01am

# Joel

Thanks, and by the way, we can take it. You'll be pleased to know that those famously teetotal Islamics have done their bit to boost the London pub trade.

With transport down relatively few able to get to work the pubs soon started to fill. Rudy Giuliani is in London at the moment and was very close to one of the bombs, at Liverpool St Station. On TV he talked of the calm that descended over the everyone, as if people just put their shoulders back and find another way to go about their business.

It's a pity I didn't run into him, I'd have invited him for a pint.

70 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:15:05am

Robert Spencer is on Michael Medved, listen here.

71 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:15:53am

Here's some more pictures of the blood stains on the building (3rd & 4th row)

HERE

72 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:16:44am

Well, I can't say I'm surprised to find that Boxer is on the terrorists' side. Again.

She should go visit Iraq and stay with them for awhile.

She could explain how nice she is and see how they react.

73 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:17:26am

As several commentators at NRO's The Corner have pointed out, CNN talking heads keep talking breathlessly about "this is a scene as if from a war" and "the victims bear wounds like those of war victims." They apparently still haven't figured out that this is a war.

74 Omedalus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:17:36am

Hey Charles, did the Kos Kidz just try to hack your site? For a second there it looked like there was an erroneous headline on LGF with praise for Kos and a link to some of their blatherings.

75 nonic  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:17:48am

A doctor at the scene...

Asked what he thought about the terrorists responsible for the attack, he said: "Whoever they are I don't think it takes great bravery to blow up large numbers of people on London Transport. None of these [injured] people have taken up arms against them or done them any harm."

Exactly right.

And what a difference from palestinian car swarms where they gleefully pull apart remains with their hands.

Cowardly sick death cult.

76 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:18:34am

Well, my link to Getty Images is not stable, just scroll through the bomb blast pictures to find the building, starting with the image Charles posted.

77 Model4  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:18:34am

Import more jihadis, and keep the jihadis you have. That's going to work. But hey, since you only know that jihadis follow Islam, but can't figure out which Muslims will be jihadis, guess you have to take them all. Just like the blood bank might not be positive that as a needle-sharing drug user my blood will put someone else in danger, they have to take it and put it into the supply. Wait, bad example. They do what's sensible there and say "No IV drug users, the risk is simply too great."

Funny, I know that my values and my faith aren't welcomed in the Ummah. Seems like we could work something reciprocal out. "Show us you can live in peace with yourself and your neighbors for one hundred years. Show us you are tolerant and embrace human rights and people with different ethnicities and views. Should be easy if you can. If you can't, well, don't see how you can claim a right to bring your violence and bigotry to our shores. Buh-bye. Maybe by the year 4683 your 'peaceful, loving tolerant culture' will actually be able to demonstrate those values. We'll be watching, but forgive us if we don't hold our breath."

#36 EE:

All decent people should bury the notion that "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Terrorism is terrorism, no matter what the cause.

Ah, but the liberals have told us over and over again that if you have a grievance, it is acceptable to use murder as a tool to get your way. Noble and laudable even, to some of them. Now the trick is that that only applies to murdering Jews in their minds, but they haven't been able to come out and say it directly. So we've got a whole generation growing up hearing "Well, we deplore violence but... if there's an underlying root cause or some perceived injustice then..."

78 Globular Cluster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:18:52am

It's all Israel's fault. If only we had been nice to the terrorists this never would have happened. Damn Jews. Britain should pull out of Iraq right now and disinvest from Israel -- the only way to counter the rightous anger of poverty and colonial exploitation. We must examine the root causes to better understand the worker's alienation that drives these activists to action.

79 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:19:13am

41 blue_like_jazz

man, i wish i could be (an arabic-speaking) fly on the wall.

Appropriate choice of insect--flies are usually found around shit.

80 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:21:28am

#12 hepcat:

I wonder where that woman's head is at? What does she then attribute 9/11 to? Moron!

81 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:21:48am

Photos of the destroyed double-decker bus:


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
 

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
 

82 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:22:00am

#79 LOL, gabba! so so so true.

83 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:22:00am

Here's the caption for the Getty picture:

LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM: Blood is splattered 10 metres high on the wall (R) of the British Medical Association near to where a suspected terrorist bomb was exploded on a bus in Woburn Place and Tavistock Square in London 7 July 2005. Explosions ripped through three underground trains and a bus in London Thursday, killing at least 33 people and injuring more than 340 in a wave of "terrorist attacks" a day after the capital won its bid to host the 2012 Olympic Games and as G8 leaders met in Scotland. AFP PHOTO ADRIAN DENNIS (Photo credit should read ADRIAN DENNIS/AFP/Getty Images)

My emphasis

WTF?

84 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:22:23am

BBC memo:

Gunmen kill Israelis
Insurgents kill Iraqis
Terrorists kill Brits

85 Andy in Agoura Hills  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:23:03am

#20 Radian 7/7/2005 11:56AM PDT
12

Normally I am profane but not vulgar but,

Someone should take a roll of duct tape and a sock and shut that fucking **** up.

Here! Here! And the worst part: she's MY Senator! I remember watching C-SPAN and the Senate debate just before the first Gulf War started. I clearly remember this c**t getting up to speak before the Senate. Did she talk about the illegal invasion of Kuwait? No. Did she mention the atrocities happening in Kuwait? No. Did she speak of destroying evil? No. Then what!?!?!? She spoke of how WAR RUINS THE ENVIRONMENT! The environment, that's what was important. I almost blew a fuse on that, but I was laughing too hard. Right then and there, I knew she was a certifiable ignoramus.

86 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:23:17am

# 83 G J

It's AFP, right? We already knew they were hopeless ...
:-(

87 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:23:47am
88 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:24:02am

#75 nonic:

Exactly right.

No, not exactly. Even this doctor's comments seem to have that reverse inference of "it wouldn't have been a big deal if they had attacked our soldiers." The liberal-"cosmopolitan" mind has a suicidal tendency to refuse to take sides in times like these. They rather want to gloss the issue with "well, I just don't approve of their methods in this particular instance."

89 Baier  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:24:32am

Officials To Scale Back International Freedom Center At WTC Site

[Link: www.ny1.com...]

90 Joel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:24:39am

69 Pete_London
Have a pint on me!

91 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:24:49am
Sean InsanHannity. Ann Coulter. Rush Limbaugh. Bill O'Really. All of them are nothing but traitors - but instead of getting rich trading classifed docs, they betrayed us by lying to us.

OK, so the Kossucks say the MSM is a bunch of lying traitors, and the Lizards say the MSM is a bunch of lying traitors. Must be that everybody is full of shite. I'm going down to Costco to stock up on tin foil, then to the garden store to get some more hydroponic supplies, then off to the gun range for some practice. When I get back somebody better be telling the truth.

92 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:26:13am

Robert Spencer on with Medved: KRLA

93 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:26:48am

re Craig AABB's #87

(un)holy shiite! The AP doesn't even shade their propaganda efforts anymore.

94 Brenda  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:27:09am

#70 bacon

Muslim from Seattle:

I condemn the bombings, BUT...

95 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:27:35am

Here's the complete text of the claim by the "Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe" taking credit for the attack, in the Morocco Times:

“In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: “You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly.”

Nothing to see here; move along.

96 Fish-Man  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:27:39am

The Brits have been dealing with terrorism for a lot longer than we have, in a lot of different ways. They have not forgotten the buzz-bombs, indescriminate destroyers of innocent people, or the IRA bombings of the 90s. I expect that only the most craven (or those with their loyalties elsewhere) will look for an excuse to withdraw, to retreat in this act of violence.

97 Barry  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:27:40am

#11 Scaramouche

Tony Blair said in his speech before leaving for London

"Those responsible have no respect for human life. We are united in our resolve to confront and defeat this terrorism that is not an attack on one nation but on all nations and on civilized people everywhere.

Does that include Israel and Jews?

98 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:27:48am

#83 GJ

PC is killing us all.

99 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:28:30am
100 Model4  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:28:38am

#12 hepcat:

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said...

Just for clarity, is that the liberal Democrat Senator Boxer? I just want to make sure. Some folks go out of their way to tell me that treasonous, anti-American statements made by high-level Democrats and high-level liberals just about every day don't reflect on Democrats or liberals. So this must surely be an exception.

That's if this statement was from the liberal Democrat Senator Boxer.

101 xlibseezlight  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:28:50am

#50 - Not sure if this was after the attack, but with respect to the protests at G8, note Galloway's brilliant comments (Source:FOX News):

The decision to prevent the march outraged protesters. Organizer G8 Alternatives accused police of "disgraceful behavior" in denying thousands of people the right to stage a peaceful demonstration.

George Galloway, a politician recently re-elected to the House of Commons, despite being thrown out of Prime Minister Tony Blair's (search) Labour Party, criticized the decision.

"The most violent people on earth are not the demonstrators, not even the anarchists. The most violent criminals in the world today are in the Gleneagles hotel and they're called the G-8," he said. "They're responsible for the deaths of millions of people around the world by the system of globalized capitalism, by their war, by their exploitation."

Police eventually backed down and agreed to allow the march to go ahead.

102 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:29:37am

#73 Occasional Reader

Well, another CNN talking head kept comparing this to the King's Cross fire of 1987, i.e. we never thought it'd happen again... blablabla

Accidental fire = terrorist attack

103 OPB  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:30:54am

I find the following to be interesting since I keep hearing that London is a harder target than the U.S.

US a tougher target than Europe, experts say

Its also intersting because they are saying that the Muslims in the U.S. are better integrated than in Europe. The Moonbats on both sides of the Atlantic would like to push us in the direction of Europe in my opinion. This kind of militates against that I think.

104 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:31:01am

88 Occasional Reader

OR, must I have to take you to task over your post? This was a quote from a doctor "at the scene." Please do not infer too much, you have no idea how traumatic something like this is, even to those whose jobs are to deal with it, i.e., the physicians, EMT's, police, ect.

105 ted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:32:16am

I indirectly blame Spain and their Islamofacist appeasing twinkyboy President Zapatero who cut and ran from Iraq and made sacrificial lambs of the British

106 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:32:28am

ZOMBIE,

have you updated your site lately? it rocks.

107 William  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:33:23am
"Terrorism is a result of this war," Boxer said, amid applause at the of California-sponsored speech at the Commonwealth Club


That would explain 9-11.

What a loon.
 

108 Catttt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:33:32am

OT

AS of 3:21 p.m. ET:

DJIA 10,286.70 16.00
NASDAQ 2,074.10 5.40
S&P 500 1,195.54 0.60
Russell 2000 648.50 0.20

All up (after a wild day) - screw you Islamofascists - you won't defeat the west, and you won't defeat capitalism - ever.

109 zombie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:33:51am

In case no one's figured out how to get permanent links to the Getty images of the blood-spattered building -- much more wide-angle and showing the full extent of the blood spattering -- here they are:

British Medical Association bloody building 1

British Medical Association bloody building 2

British Medical Association bloody building 3

110 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:34:01am

#99 American Infidel

I expect a tutorial on dhimmitude from RS after the commercial break.

111 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:34:39am

From NRO - Courage Under Fire

Yet Britain is not "burning with fear and terror," as the group claiming to have murdered these innocent people alleges on an Islamist website. That allegation represents what the terrorists hope and calculate will be the response of its victims. The victory of the Spanish socialists in last year's general election, two days after the Madrid bombing, at least seemed to validate that calculation. Spain withdrew its troops from Iraq shortly afterward in what the terrorists inevitably concluded was a concession suing for peace. Nothing like that has happened in Britain. In addition to the self-disciplined response of Londoners on the spot, the remarks of Prime Minister Blair, opposition Tory leaders, and other public figures have all struck a note of determined defiance.

No doubt, politics as usual will return after a time and those opposed to the Iraq war will cite today's events as a consequence of the Anglo-American invasion. Democracy is about fierce and unrestricted debates over even the most sensitive topics. But the sensible center of British politics — not the Liberal Democrats but the right of the Labour party and the mainstream of the Tories — is likely to hold firm in the face of these arguments and to demand even firmer prosecution of the war against terrorism. Merely holding firm, however, is not enough.

What Britain and America need are some clear and visible victories in this war — terrorist groups broken up, would-be assassins captured and incarcerated, terrorist leaders tried and either imprisoned indefinitely or executed. Wars are not won by responding bravely to attacks from the other side, but by inflicting defeats on them.

emphasis added.

112 logger phd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:35:00am

Wow, stark photo.

Please, let's find out who really did this, and irrevocably stop them from repeating it!

113 withintheheart  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:35:48am

must read link from al-reuters:

Iran and Syria, both on Washington's list of states sponsoring terrorism, joined an unbroken chorus of condemnation, as did the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas and Lebanon's Shi'ite Muslim Hizbollah guerrillas. ...

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks on Israelis, condemned the London bombings.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau told Reuters in Damascus by telephone.

Leading Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim scholar Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah voiced outrage. "These crimes are not accepted by any religion. It is a barbarism wholly rejected by Islam," he said.

at first, i thought it was satire, but no...it's just al-reuters.

114 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:35:57am

#102 rednaxela:

Accidental fire = terrorist attack

Yes, I suppose if we want to have any hope of being quoted in the MSM, we'll have to refer to this as the "July 7th London transport accident" or something like that.


#104 Bubble Girl:

This was a quote from a doctor "at the scene."

I understand that, and perhaps my comment went too far. I didn't mean to suggest this doctor is necessarily an appeasement-minded moonbat. But I wouldn't exactly flag this statement as the "quite right" quote of the day, either. It's the minimum I would expect from any civilized person in terms of a reaction.

115 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:36:29am

Don't know if anybody linked to this one
[Link: www.lnreview.co.uk...]

"A Letter To The Terrorists, From London

What the fuck do you think you're doing?
This is London. We've dealt with your sort before. You don't try and pull this on us.

Do you have any idea how many times our city has been attacked? Whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to work.

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

And if, as your MO indicates, you're an al-Qaeda group, then you're out of your tiny minds.

Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're London, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And that's because we're better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our city works. We rather like it. And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub.

So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our city."

116 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:36:41am
117 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:37:27am

#101 xlibseezlight

On the topic of those "protesters".

It was because of these fucks and their violent rampaging that thousands of cops were drafted up there for the G8 from all over the country.

IMHO, tying up law enforcement resources with violent wacko portests etc. is more than just irresponsible, it is completely reprehensible and anyone who acts violently at any "protest" or whatever ought to be locked up for a very long time.

118 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:38:03am
119 PollyPrissypants  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:38:08am

I'm waiting for Barbara Boxer to characterize this as a "rail accident" like she did the Spain bombing...

120 kynna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:38:15am

I have to wonder if Boxer is just showing her stupidity again. She may have meant that terrorism is part of the war ... on terror...oh well. But she is definitely stupid, so she might not have been trying to take advantage of the bloodshed to attack foreign policy, and just didn't know what she was saying.

Then again, she is stupid enough to take advantage of the bloodshed to try to advance her agenda.

In any case, she's so stupid, you really don't know what she means by what she says.

121 westoner  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:40:06am

The MSM are going to be up to all sorts of tricks in the coming days. Expect the following:

1) BBC to start diverting blame for the attacks onto American policies and Israel, playing up the terrorists complaint of Iraq, while simultaneously and conveniently playing down the terrorists complaint about Afghanistan (as in Madrid).

2) BBC to start pumping out glossy, soft focused propaganda on Islam...lots of pictures of sand dunes, camels, fancy mosques and smiling kids...all junk to deceive the gullible.

3) A diversionary campaign by the BBC against ‘Islamophobia’, linked in with alleged attacks against muslims and a hit piece on the BNP or some other group.


One thing's for sure, just like Beslan, 9/11, Bali and all the rest, the left establishment is going to pull all the stops out covering up on behalf of islam.

122 ted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:41:01am

I hope and pray our dear British friends will realize the dire threat that has parasitized them and the rest of Eurabia...That Galloway,Red Ken,etc. are the islamofacists handlers who paved the way for this and future tragedies...

May G-d have mercy on the dead, injured and familiies of all...

123 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:41:16am

Boxer will call it a "cluster tragedy" or some other liberal shitthink phrase.

124 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:41:55am

113 withintheheart

Just remember, Hamas doesnt think any Israeli is considered a civilian, they're all potential Zionist oppressors.

125 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:42:16am
126 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:43:04am

An incident, a tragedy, an accident.

Don't dare call it an attack because then you have to admit there is an attacker.

127 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:44:06am

OR @ 114

I understand that, and perhaps my comment went too far. I didn't mean to suggest this doctor is necessarily an appeasement-minded moonbat. But I wouldn't exactly flag this statement as the "quite right" quote of the day, either. It's the minimum I would expect from any civilized person in terms of a reaction.

OR... okay, I guess I am going to have to take you to task... and you have left me no option but to have to remind you of the gruesomeness this doctor was involved in. The blood was splattered up as high as 6 feet, treating the critically injured when you are first on the scene, this happened right in front of the British Medical Association Building so perhaps this physician was not someone who arrived in an ambulance but came from inside. He may have had the blood of the victims on him and may suffer trauma himself from being involved. Sometimes civility can fail you at such moments.

128 jwbrown1969  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:44:43am

I have had a chance to read all the posts on the all London bombing threads, but I think it bares mentioning that we should watch what the Libs say and do. The reason? To see if they do this time what Rove said they did last time.

129 Duck  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:44:53am

No Muslims, no death...when will we ever learn.

130 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:45:02am
131 wadikitty  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:45:51am

I'm probably not the first to notice this or post about it, but why is it that when innocent Londoners are attacked, the attackers are called by their rightful name: Terrorists. When innocent Iraqis are attacked, the attackers are called "insurgents, rebels -- or, if you're Michael Moore or one of the Kos Kidz -- freedom fighters?

How come we're not being lectured that "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" right now, hmmm? I guess the day is still young.

132 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:46:09am

I wonder if england, who has a history of poo-pooing Israel, when it comes to certain things, will ask for Israel to help them.

After 9/11 Israeli doctors came and tutored American doctors on how to deal with the injured in terrorist attacks (since they have a large amount of experience dealing with such aftermath)

133 JohnConnor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:46:37am

The leader of Britain's 3rd biggest party, the Lib Dems - Charles Kennedy - was just on the BBC. Hardly a word of sympathy for victims but lots of concern for the 'apprehension' felt by the muslim community, who are already uncomfortable 'at the way people look at them in the street'!

"As anyone knows who has the slightest knowledge of the subject, Islam is a Religion of Peace."

What a disgusting lying fat creep (taqqiya must be fattening - in the amounts he consumes anyway!)

134 Model4  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:47:03am

#113 withintheheart: See post above. As the darlings of liberals, especially Europeans, especially journalists, Hamas perfectly well knows that to them, deliberately murdering Jewish civilians is in a different category than deliberately murdering other civilians. Thus they can tell the press with a straight face that the deplore blowing up a bus full of innocents, after blowing up numerous buses full of innocents themselves. "For you see, our targets were Jews." And the libs say "Ah, yes, that's right. Let's call it 'militancy' or 'activism.'"

135 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:49:38am

Kinda OT:

Why attack london?

Technically many LLL will jump to the conclusion that this was revenge for Iraq. Yet I
must also ask why did they attack london, why not another major city? The Mayor of London is
completely anti-Israel, even going so far as blaming all world terror on her. And also very
anti-american. He's even friends with an extremists cleric, yet the terrrorists choose to
attack london.

Yet again this is what appeasement gets you.

136 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:49:54am

134 Model4

True. It's appalling, if this had happened in Israel, the reaction would be starkly different.

137 sixstringslinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:49:58am

Just noticed the British flag flying in place of the Stars & Stripes on the LGF homepage. Nice touch Charles.

138 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:49:58am

#133 JohnConnor

well, his last name IS Kennedy...

139 Barry  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:50:56am

Given the barbaric acts in London by things worse than animals
how can Bush say:

We will find them, we will bring them to justice, and at the same time, we will spread an ideology of hope and compassion that will overwhelm their ideology of hate.

and still have us believe that he understands what he is dealing with?
What hope and compassion can overcome honor killings, head hacking and bombings of civilians by people who have no compassion whatsoever and whose hope is poles apart from ours?

140 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:51:00am

120 kynna

In any case, she's so stupid, you really don't know what she means by what she says.

LOL

Best one line summary of Boxer I've seen.

141 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:51:24am
142 Brenda  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:51:47am

#103

Europe "more accessible" -- that's rich.

"I think it is probably more accessible for them to make attacks in Europe, primarily because you have open borders and you can cross those borders without a great deal of scrutiny," said security consultant Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA official.

Hello? US borders are wide open and Qaedas have noticed.

Foreigners cross US border with ease

“I absolutely believe that the next attack we have will come from somebody who has come across the border illegally,” says Eugene Davis, retired deputy chief of the Border Patrol sector in Blaine, Wash.

“To me, we have no more border security now than we had prior to September 11. Anybody who believes we’re safer, they’re living in Neverland.”

143 jwbrown1969  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:51:49am

#136 Bubble Girl

What do you mean "if"? This happens in Isreal a couple three times every year (if not more)

144 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:52:20am
145 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:52:44am

Listening to Medved / Spencer... caller is saying the same crap as a caller to Dennis Prager earlier today - that these are just garden-variety terrorists who are claiming to be Muslims, but Islam is totally against any of this stuff. What about all the imams preaching hate? Oh well, they're not real Muslims!

Now the caller is saying there's no difference between Musharraf and Bin Laden... good grief.

146 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:53:05am

OT (or as TFK would say "thinking,,,thinking")

I wonder if the great minds behind the International Freedom Center will build a monument to the victims of todays attacks.

I wonder if the monument will highlight slavery, fat oppression, the mistreatment of indigenous peoples, and all the other unrelated crap like the one planned for the WTC.

147 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:53:14am

143 jwbrown

sorry, about the "if" but you know bloody well what I meant...

148 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:53:20am
149 braindirt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:53:33am

Are they dancing in the Arab street yet? Or are the BBC and the MSM covering it up?

150 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:56:01am

#115 Pitiricus

Thanx for the link. Typical Brits. I love it.

I finally heard back from my friend in London. I was a bit concerned becuase he wasn't answering his mobile which he always does. Turns out that all of my Mates are OK.

When I asked him about the attack, he replied... "Listen mate, we've still got Nazi bombs sitting at the bottom of our Docklands and the East End. We stil live our lives. You think these twits are going to change that?"

Rock on.

151 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:56:17am
152 The Drizzle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:56:18am

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, people. Absolutely nothing will change in Britain. Just like here in America, after of few days of anger, the media will go out of it's way to tell us that islam is nothing but peaceful worshippers of a thoughtful, benevolent god. No retaliation against muslims will occur (I'm all for it, to be honest, simply because i've fucking had enough), and the world will eventually come to blame U.S. policy for all this trouble. Muslims worldwide will smile up their sleeves, and plan more attacks. Enjoy the fruits of political correctness, planet earth.

153 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:56:22am

#132 Lance,

If they do, Israel will help, probably without hesitation.

Of course, this isn't Britain's first terrorist attack so they unfortunately have their own experience

154 altrisk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:58:46am

That's it. The democratic republics of the world need to stand up to these Islamo-fascist pigs and smack down their left-leaning apologists.

The USA is filled with religious and non-religious sects of every stripe. Do we run around killing each other in the name of God?

A little profiling, please. Place your hand on the Koran and swear by Allah that you support the constitution and laws of the country in which you reside; that you will not use force to seek its overthrow; and you will honor the religious rights of all individuals.

Don't want to take this oath? You're on the next plane/ship back to your mother-country where you can explain to their secret police what you really stand for. By the way, don't bother calling the ACLU. They won't be of any help back there.

Altrisk

155 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:59:24am

#97 Barry

Does that include Israel and Jews?

I dunno. Does it? Or will Tony persist in his belief that it's all about the Israeli "occupation" as he and his wife idle away their vacations as the guests of the Hashemite royals?

156 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:59:48am

#151 American Infidel

Nope, don't know anything about his background.

I see on his site that it says he'll also be appearing on Michael Savage later today.

157 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:59:50am

#139 Barry

Hope and Compassion

158 jwbrown1969  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:00:31am

#147 Bubble Girl

I totally understand. I just wanted to point out that we should be this outraged regardless of where these sub-human monster attack. Whether it is London, Madrid, New York, Washington DC, Dhahran, Haifa, Bali, or Antarctica it is evil incarnate and needs not just to be condemned but revenged.

The terrorists have indicated by their actions that they are incapable operating within the bounds of civilized society; therefore, they need to be separated from society permanently and by means of death.

159 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:01:29am

It is now time to drop the pointless antisemitism which nutjobs in the West display all too often, and show solidarity with our Israeli brothers and sisters. We are partners in the war against Wahhabism, and it is from Israel that we must learn how to deal with them - to infiltrate and destroy. It is time we let the PC brigade know in no uncertain terms that they've had their day. No showing solidarity with the terrorists. No bleating over the treatment of inmates at Gitmo, because those who carried out todays atrocities in London are cut from exactly the same cloth.

Can you imagine the response if that had happened in the London of 1875 or 1885 - indeed at any time during the Victorian era? The country the terrorists came from would have had its coastal towns bombarded, and probably its capital city and rulers seized, tried as murderers, and probably hanged. The PC brigade - the soft underbelly of Western civilization - wouldn't have got a look in. The Victorians didn't mess about, and that is what made Britain great and feared throughout the world. The British lion had bite, and would take great chunks out of the enemy. It knew how to deal with them in no uncertain terms, and the people would get behind the Armed Forces - rich or poor, male or female, adult or child - it made no difference. Britain took pride in itself, and its people would have demanded an overwhelming response.

Go forward to 2005, a mere 104 years after the Victorian era ended, and 107 years after the Mahdi and his dervishes were destroyed at Omdurman. Too many people deride their allies - nations like the US and Israel, and show solidarity with those who want to murder and eventually rule us. Those of that mindset who fit that latter description struck in London today. They side with those we should destroy. This is an exercise in national suicide. The Roman Empire declined and collapsed through this lack of will to fight. Let this not happen to Britain and its Western allies.

160 Barry  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:02:31am

#147 Bubble Girl

In my #97 comment I alluded to exactly that.

161 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:02:47am
162 Mentat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:02:54am

What will it take to stop the hand-wringing, moral relativistic, multi-culti, pc nonsense and actually ph*king do something about the "Religion of Peace"? Does there have to be a nuclear attack on a port city? What? Enough is enough.

163 Rednek  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:02:59am

#141 Rayra

Maybe they will publish a statisical study that will show the actual number killed in today's blast was most likely only between 0 and 6 with a mean of 3.

Only 3 killed by terrorists! Hardly justifies an aggressive war and occupation of sovereign nations.

164 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:03:55am

#154 altrisk

Place your hand on the Koran and swear by Allah that you support the constitution and laws of the country in which you reside; that you will not use force to seek its overthrow; and you will honor the religious rights of all individuals.

Don't want to take this oath? You're on the next plane/ship back to your mother-country where you can explain to their secret police what you really stand for.

Yes, exactly! And maybe throw in some words like "diversity" and "tolerance" to make the lefties look like hypocrites if they attack it. I'd love to see a headline like:

Muslims Asked to Pledge Support for Diversity and Tolerance

165 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:04:00am

#12 hepcat

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said

What a stupid ignorant twat.

If the war caused terrorism,what about terrorism before the war.

Since when does 'effect' come before 'cause'?

I wonder if Babs can explain that.

166 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:04:50am

The news is reporting that they have identified two unexploded devices in the London area. Apparently part of the attack.

167 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:05:18am

Here are some photos of the events of this morning in London:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

168 Solomon X  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:06:13am

Back to Craig AABB's #87:

It is sooo obvious the AP is trying to cast doubt that muslims are to blame for the London bombings by pointing out that all prior "major" terror attacks in London have come from the IRA.

Check this site out for a true list of terror attacks in London:

MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base

Prior terror attacks in London include such culprits as

Hamas
Hezbollah
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
PFLP

Factchecked and dissembled

169 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:06:23am

#165 Totally

Muslims are Psychic.

/Boxer

170 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:06:45am
171 Manker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:07:26am

#165 TotallySirius

I must also add as I stated in #135. London had a very anti-Israel/US mayor. This guy is a terrorists cheerleader.

Yet instead of attacking another city instead of London, it was still targeted. It shows that terrorists don't care, and that the arguement that this was because of the Iraq war is garbage.

172 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:07:27am

148 Rayra

(Allah Ackbar!)is pronouned


"a-blownup snackbar"

in English

173 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:07:54am

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said


and murqtaad says "more liberal SHITTHINK"

liberalism is a disease.

174 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:08:26am

@130 Rayra

The British Medical Association is the publisher of the Lancet

The biggest irony of all ironnies.

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind
175 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:08:30am

# 159 SpiritOf1683

It is now time to drop the pointless antisemitism which nutjobs in the West display

Sadly, it's not pointless. As always, it serves to divert attention away from the real problems in Islamic societies, and, as it did for Hitler, it helps bring the seethers together in a common cause. It also fools them into believing that the way to get rid of their problems is to get rid of the Jews.

176 Ajakk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:08:56am

From Reuters

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks on Israelis, condemned the London bombings.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau told Reuters in Damascus by telephone.

177 freedomplow  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:09:00am

Drudge has ABC News: two unexploded bombs discovered. Link doesn't work yet.

178 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:09:24am
179 Ellen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:09:28am

Barbara Boxer is one of the stupidest women on the face of the earth. I think they could behead her next of kin right in front of her and she'd still apologize and blame it all on the evil Amerika. She makes me ashamed to be female.

180 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:10:06am

A tale of two al-Guardians

Then:

2/26/05
Tel Aviv bomb rocks peace process
Tentative hopes of reviving the Middle East peace process were jolted last night when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a seafront karaoke nightclub in Tel Aviv, killing at least four people and wounding dozens.


And now:

07/07/05
37 dead in London blasts
A series of explosions ripped through London today as suspected terrorist attacks on tube trains and a bus killed at least 37 people and plunged the capital into chaos.

181 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:10:20am
"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said

I suppose that if the local DA, mayor, or sheriff started cracking down on the gangs, and then the gangs began to attack the official's home or family, technically the original law enforcement of the original crimes resulted in the second crimes. But, BB, baby, it don't mean the gangs are the good guys, the DA is the bad guy, and the crack down was a bad idea.

Another analogy, when I'm cleaning out the closet, I make a much bigger mess for awhile when all the garbage that had been in the closet is out in the open, before I can get it all in the trash and put the stuff I'm keeping back in order.

182 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:10:50am

#165 TotallySirius & Hepcat

Quite true. I can't figure out the LLL.

First they say that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with AQ/WOT.

Then they turn around and say that the war in Iraq is responsible for these types of terror attacks.

Which is it? You're giving me a headache!

183 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:13:04am
184 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:13:39am

Once again the terrorist bastards are getting the exact opposite reaction from what they wanted.

World leaders unite after London terrorist attacks

Sorry this is from AFP.

185 kvinay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:14:29am

Dhimmi Blair stresses "Islam is a religion of peace"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Blair stressed that the bombers did not reflect the views of most Muslims."We know that these people act in the name of Islam, but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims here and abroad are decent, law abiding people who abhor the act of terrorism every bit as much as we do," he said.

186 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:15:05am

#181 Renna

Fantastic analogies! May I quote you in emails to my list?

187 Catttt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:15:14am

The Islamofascists will always claim their terrorism is reactive. Moonbats/dhimmis/infidels may buy the taqiyya, but I don't.

188 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:15:37am

#176 Ajaak

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks on Israelis, condemned the London bombings.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau told Reuters in Damascus by telephone.


It doesn't stop them from targetting Israeli civilians in their transport means and lives.

189 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:15:48am

Normally, I have no cardiovascular difficulties with checking out what sort of wacko theories the Kos Kidz are putting out, but today it really got to me.

I was counting on all this "It's-all-Bush-Blair's-fault" drivel, and I wasn't disappointed -- but this line I didn't expect:

I believe this is a big enough story that it belongs on the front page.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

190 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:16:53am

#186 newjunkie

Quote away. I'm flattered.

191 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:17:09am

#187 Cattt

The Islamofascists will always claim their terrorism is reactive.

Our existence is aggression in their view (and a call to war.)

Everything outside the House of Islam is part of the House of War.

192 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:17:09am

Consider what the reaction would be if extremist Jews, not extremist Muslims, were behind the attack. Imagine the outrage! disgust! horror! I can guarantee you that no one would dare to refer to Judaism as a "religion of peace", and that retaliatory pogroms would probably already be underway

193 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:17:49am

It won't make any difference. A few people will wake up to our true enemies, but the vast majority of the left will just blame the U.S. and Bush for the attacks in London.


Bad Middle Eastern Policy = 9/11
BusHitler love of Oil = War in Iraq
The War in Iraq = London Terror

They've already got it all figured out.

194 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:18:41am

Here is where you can express your sympathy and solidarity with the people of London by email at the London Times:

Email to the Brits

195 cornish intifada  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:18:51am

Well this is the end result of an insane immigration policy. Keep Out Australians etc and let in any kind of islamic nutbar.

My thinking is - they blew up edgeware rd. This is an arabic area. Could be that the perpetrators are from out side the UK - as I can't see them deliberately targeting their own. Aldgate is also a large paki area too.

Also hamas a month or so gago threatedned Britain. MI6 shoud have questioned this shiekh. I think this was done By palestinian hamas affiliated individuals.

I wonder where Yasser Al Siri and Omar Bakri are...

196 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:19:32am

BTW. I'm not counselling retaliatory pogroms. Merely pointing out that Brits, who are already somewhat hostile to Jews, might be more inclined to take out their anger on Jews if they were shown to be the perpetrators.

197 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:20:18am

#147 Bubble Girl

That dillweed obviously isn't aware that the word "if" has causal, as well as temporal connotations.

198 Model4  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:20:26am

#154 altrisk:

Place your hand on the Koran and swear by Allah that you support the constitution and laws of the country in which you reside; that you will not use force to seek its overthrow; and you will honor the religious rights of all individuals.

Uh, Muhammed himself was an oath-breaker, something that's celebrated amongst Muslims who aspire to be like their spiritual leader. It's about as valid an idea as asking an alcoholic to drink a bottle of whiskey to express his commitment to sobriety.

When you know more about Islam, and the actual words and deeds of the man Muslims aspire to emulate, you'll understand that what makes sense when thinking of people of truly peaceful faiths does not apply whatsoever.

199 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:22:05am

#183 taxfreetroll

If you do decide to go, be sure to let your next of kin know beforehand.

200 jwbrown1969  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:24:49am

#197 rednaxela

First of all I am not a dillweed. Second, I understood what she meant I was just making another point.

be nice

201 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:25:37am

188 SpiritOf1683

According to Hamas, there is no such thing as Israeli civilians, since they're all potential Zionist oppressors.

202 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:26:15am

#127 Bubble Girl:

Sometimes civility can fail you at such moments.

I didn't suggest this doctor was in any way being "uncivil". I'm just not going to flag as "quote of the day" one that has ANY implicit suggestion of "the reason this attack by the islamofacists is shocking is because these were civilians who weren't shooting back." Put it this way--in WWII, it was wrong when the Luftwaffe bombed London, and it was still wrong when they bombed RAF airfields, because they were fighting for the Nazi cause. For my "quote of the day", I'd rather nominate someone who explicitly recognizes that the islamofascists THEMSELVES are the problem--and the ENEMY--and it's not just their particular method on this particular day that's the problem.

203 ferris  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:26:48am

While folks like Dick Durbin and Andrew Sullivan worry about too much heat for detainees at Gitmo or the Koran getting kicked around, I'd like to offer the following politically incorrect suggestion...

Pick 50 (or however many people wind up dying from today's attacks) inmates from Gitmo who we have gotten all the intelligence we are going to get and summarily execute them.

They are terrorists and deserve no better.

204 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:27:47am
205 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:28:01am

#184 TotallySirius

Once again the terrorist bastards are getting the exact opposite reaction from what they wanted.


Don't be too sure.
Many of those "world leaders" are just paying lip-service. It won't take very long for them to enter the Kos-DU-Boxer blame game, i.e. blame anyone but the terrorists.

This is part of the plan to split non RoPers and I am far more pessimistic than you are in that I think their plan is working pretty well.

206 cornish intifada  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:28:36am

Posted on 6th of June
[Link: www.albawabaforums.com...]

The messages I have been hearing from Hamas leaders over the past few weeks are particularly worrisome.

Hamas is now threatening the British Empire, they have words of warning for England.

Read the following sermon delivered by a leading Hamas Imam, Sheik Ibrahim
Muderas. This sermon, like many of his other sermons, was broadcast on Palestinian-controlled TV. The translation of the sermon comes from World Net Daily and can be trusted for content and accuracy.

We take this opportunity to hold Britain accountable and say there is revenge we can never forget. We cannot forgo the revenge we want to exact from Britain. We hold Britain responsible for what happened in Palestine. Britain is the cause, ^til this very minute, of every drop of blood dripping into this land.

I say to you: You must look at our situation with an outlook of confidence in Allah^s victory! If you help Allah (spread Islam), Allah will bring you victory. We once ruled the world and the day will come when, by God, we will rule the entire world. The day will come when we will rule the United States, the day will come when we will rule Britain, we will rule the whole world (and all will live in peace and comfort under our rule) except the Jews.

Listen to what this man, this Hamas religious leader, this Imam is saying. Put aside the rhetoric about controlling the world and the rhetoric about ruling the United States. Those lines are commonplace in almost every sermon dealing with the theme of revenge. Call it wishful thinking. The reality is that while these Moslems certainly do pray for the downfall of the United States, they do not have the infrastructure to successfully design a serious attack at this time.

When it comes to Britain, however, the situation changes. In altering his normal anti-Western canard Imam Sheikh Ibrahim Muderas is telling us that, indeed, they do have the infrastructure necessary to exact punishment in England. He goes so far as to explain the why^s and stops just short of the how^s the who^s and the when^s.

Now listen to me. This sermon signals an enormous challenge not just for Britain, but for the West. Until now, only Israel was dead center in the crosshairs of Hamas terror. Now, England might be there as well.

I am not an alarmist and this is definitely not idle speculation. This is not /"chatter/" as intel analysts like to call it. Intelligence operations must infiltrate to stop what is certainly a planned terrorist strike by Hamas. These are no longer the words of an Imam chosen to stir up his crowd of listeners. This is a not so veiled threat, a statement of intention.

This is a warning we should heed.

207 hepcat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:28:42am

I forgot one thing on my previous #12 post:

"Terrorism is a result of this war,'' Boxer said, amid applause at the of California-sponsored speech

I forgot to boldface this:
amid applause

208 Pitiricus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:29:15am

Didn't think I would ever agree with Putin, but I do today
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

"Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the London attacks showed the world was insufficiently united in the fight against terrorism.

Putin said Russia had suffered terror attacks in the past, which killed hundreds of innocent citizens, and expressed his country's condolences.

"But what happened today demonstrates yet again that we are doing too little to unite our efforts in the most effective way in the battle against terrorism," he said.

He also called for an end to double standards an appeal he has made before to his fellow world leaders, some of whom he has criticized for underestimating the terrorist ties of Chechen separatist rebels."

Putin expressed "not only hope but also certainty" that the international community will do everything it can to confront terrorism, but stressed there must not be "any double standards whatsoever in assessing bloody crimes similar to those carried out today in London."

209 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:29:42am

# 203 f

I've never been more supportive of such a solution than at this moment ...
:-~

210 Brenda  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:29:45am

#185 kv

What if Winston Churchill had said,

"We know that these people act in the name of National Socialism, but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Germans here and abroad are decent, law abiding people who abhor the act of terrorism every bit as much as we do," he said.

Blair better snap out of it.

211 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:30:03am

#200 jwbrown1969

Ok, I apologize, this is not a day for petty namecalling.

212 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:30:19am

Vodkapundit turns up some news over at the Northeast Intelligence Network that one of the suicide bombers involved in today's London attacks was a GitMo releasee.

Go figure. Some of the released detainees said that they would continue the fight after being released. If this pans out (and should be easily confirmed by checking prints/DNA against US records), do you believe them now?

213 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:30:38am

Bubble Girl: In spite of our disagreement, you still da bomb!

214 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:31:19am

Ah, crap, sorry, bomb is not a good word to use today, I truly take that back.

You are the cream in my coffee, how 'bout that?

215 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:32:00am

AI #99 -

I presume you're aware that Jews are not allowed to live in Jordan or have Jordanian citizenship. The majority of Jordanians are Baalestinians - whether Christian or Muslim, they are united in their hatred of Israel.

216 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:32:18am

#208 Pitiricus, yes. Beslan comes to mind.

217 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:32:19am
218 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:32:42am

#212 lawhawk:

one of the suicide bombers involved in today's London attacks was a GitMo releasee.

Don't you see what our brutal use of puppet shows and Harry Potter readings and erratic air conditioning has forced these poor lambie-wambies to do? Etc. etc.

219 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:33:10am

#206 cornish intifada

No offense, but if you look long enough you'll find that sort of warning on any given day of the year, pertaining to any target.

220 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:35:26am

A tale of two al-Independents

Then:

02/06/01
Suicide bomber kills 17 in attack outside Tel Aviv disco
At least 17 people were killed and scores injured last night after a huge bomb went off in Tel Aviv, the heartland of secular Israel, at the height of an early summer weekend.


And now:

07/07/05
Dozens killed in London blasts
Police said this afternoon that at least 37 people had been killed in four terrorist blasts on the London Underground and on a bus

A series of explosions ripped through London today in a series of terrorist strikes leaving dozens feared dead and crippling the capital. The Metropolitan police said this afternoon that more than 33 people were killed and hundreds injured.

221 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:35:50am

#203 ferris

That would be a great idea... if they weren't in love with "martyrdom."

Now, forcing them to wear pigskin panties and bacon neckties, that might work. i.e. humiliate the f*ck out of them. The ACLU and Amnesty International can go to hell, they'll complain no matter what we do.

222 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:35:59am

#218 Occasional Reader
#212 lawhawk

You realize what that means.

Its all Karl Rove's doing.

223 newscaper  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:36:30am

Tidbit from a UK member of a private mailing list I'm on...

The army was mobilised and deployed in Covent Garden. Troops in fatigues were seen in other parts of the city. I'd say it's certain
that they're SAS.

One thing that won't be reported is that Tornados were scrambled from RAF St. Mawgan. They crossed the base within 30 minutes of the bombs going off heading eastward like several bats out of hell.

--- Too bad they had nothing to strafe...

224 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:36:31am

#208 Pitiricus

Putin is the biggest hypocrite of them all. Complaining about double standards while selling nuclear "power plants" to the mullahs.

225 brownfreak2k7  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:36:51am

Interesting story by Telegraph about al-Qaeda and the Iraqi insurgency.

US delight as Iraqi rebels turn their guns on al-Qa'eda
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

226 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:37:04am
Putin expressed "not only hope but also certainty" that the international community will do everything it can to confront terrorism, but stressed there must not be "any double standards whatsoever in assessing bloody crimes similar to those carried out today in London."

Unless it's in Israel.

Apparently there's going to be a statement on the Middle East by the G8 soon, no doubt it'll be about the damn "Palestinians". Who I'm sure were gleefully celebrating today's attacks.

After they were caught doing so on 9/11, footage from the Arab squatters' territory seems to be thin on the ground when it comes to other international terrorist attacks.

227 tankdemon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:37:13am

212 lawhawk

As reasonable a story as that sounds, I am not ready to beleive anything I hear yet as to who is behind the bombings, especially a stoyr naming individual operatives.
That sounds like something made up to get people off our back for holding them in Gitmo in the first place. We don't have to justify keeping the detainees in Gitmo, and it just seems premature to me to give credence to this type of an unsourced story so soon.

228 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:37:26am
229 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:38:40am
They crossed the base within 30 minutes of the bombs going off heading eastward l
Too bad they had nothing to strafe...

What, have they moved France?

230 Van Impe  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:39:50am

#154 and #164

Place your hand on the Koran and swear by Allah that you support the constitution and laws of the country in which you reside; that you will not use force to seek its overthrow; and you will honor the religious rights of all individuals.


Keep in mind that the koran permits muslims to lie, so an oath of this sort would be useless.

231 ibu guru  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:40:36am

First, my condolences to all friends and family of those murdered this morning.

Second, no holds barred. Get those [bigoted word]s off the face of the earth.

Third, to the wimps and whiners that we need an "Israeli peace process" or "tolerance" or "get out of Iraq/Afghanistan/wherever." Islamofascists were slaughtering Christians and Jews before there was an Israel, before there was a United States, before Columbus arrived in the Western Hemisphere. These factors are just as totally irrelevant today as they were non-existent in the 7th century.

Islam is a philosophy of islamic supremacy and world conquest and they will not rest until they wipe out everyone who refuses to bow down to their irrational demands or their meteorite-idol. They are worse than the Nazis and Japanese who drove us to World War II. Islam must be renounced, reviled, recanted and spurned or its idol-worshipers whupped-but-good. There is no bargaining, no negotiating, no getting-along. Get your heads out of the sand -- and your butts -- and get with the program.

232 FlyingTigress  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:41:20am

#218 Occasional Reader

one of the suicide bombers involved in today's London attacks was a GitMo releasee.Don't you see what our brutal use of puppet shows and Harry Potter readings and erratic air conditioning has forced these poor lambie-wambies to do? Etc. etc

Slytherin House. Gitmo is Slytherin House!

#221 religion

How about a Trident3 filled with pork fat launched at the black rock? Won't even leave a scratch.

233 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:41:25am
234 FriarsTale  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:42:41am

#203
not to mention Omar Abdel-Rahman
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

235 thepoguemahone  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:46:26am

I have a question - to all those who say that muslims are just as saddened by this terrorist attack as the rest of us - were they also just as saddened by all the other terrorist attacks?

Were they revolted by the constant bombings of innocent Israeli's

Or the massacres in Moscow and Beslan

Or the outrages in Kashmir


Or is this selective sadness - are UK muslims sad that the bombs hit london and killed fellow muslims

Because I think it was the cheering for the murderers abroad that they did for years that has brought this home to their doors

236 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:46:37am
237 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:46:37am
238 dak  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:48:47am
Maybe someone should tell Kos and the other LLL to get out of thre fucking way of the fight

Don't worry, these types stay well clear of any real fight.

239 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:49:40am

#237 song_and_dance_man

I presume your beef is with the lower courts in this case.

240 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:50:16am

AI #228 -

I wasn't suggesting that you agreed that Christians and Muslims get along just fine in Jordan. I was just adding some information. Sorry if it didn't come across the way I intended...

241 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:50:40am

212 , 218

If this is true ...


REPORT: One UK Homicide Bomber Was Recent GITMO Release

7 July 2005; 12:54 ET: Preliminary reports from a source inside the Pentagon indicate that one of the operatives involved in this morning's bombings in London was recently released from the prison at Guantanamo.

242 stoked  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:51:24am

Right, and Al Queda has no ties to Iraq.

243 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:51:26am

[Link: travel.state.gov...]

Just heard about this in relation to Brits of Islamic Origin that take full advantage of Visa Waiver. (Brunei) is on there too. Commentator said these people never have to face an American Official and can come on in to do G-d knows what to the USA and in the USA. Helloo...time to stop all this.

The Saudis used to be on this TYPE of Program..either Officially or Unofficially. Heard they are working to get back on again.

244 J.D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:51:51am

#241 SlothB77
Would not surprise me one little bit.

245 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:51:57am

SlothB77 #241 -

Got a link?

246 Dave Ray  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:52:06am

Has anybody noticed that Charles' Union Jack is upside down?

[Link: www.jdawiseman.com...]

247 Fed Up Patriot  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:52:52am

Fucking Savages!

248 Bob's Kid  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:52:55am

Just heard that they found two un-exploded bombs?

249 tankdemon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:53:15am

237 song_and_dance

While it is troubling that this issue needs to get to the state supreme court for review, free speech was protected.

Though I must disagree with the writer of that letter, because if the killing of innocent Muslims was going to stop the terrorists, then they wouldn't be killing innocent Muslims as their main tactic.

250 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:53:30am

#241 Sloth

If that is true.

Ouch!

The dems and MSM will have one helluva headache.

251 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:53:31am

214 OR

Thanks... huckleberry...

252 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:54:14am

Here is comes boys and girls: Just heard "London is a great City and Londoners will NOT be ...(are you ready) DIVIDED. Translate that as: Don't you dare be mean to Islamists in London..

Softening and Excuses: ROP...Tiny Minority..Occupation...Provation...and the ever popular ROOT CAUSE ..

253 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:54:29am

If there are reports on one of the bombers, I presume there haven't been arrests but that there was a body, i.e., at least some of the blasts were suicide bombers instead of planted packages.

254 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:54:34am

FWIW, this bulletin was sent around a bit earilier this afternoon:

The following message was sent by the Department of Commerce and one similar was issued by the Department of Homeland Security. We believe you should be aware of this situation.
The Office of Security (OSY) is continuing to monitor the current situation in London, England. Although there is no specific credible information concerning a terrorist attack in the United States, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has elevated the risk alert level from Yellow (Elevated) to Orange (High) for regional and inner city passenger rail, subway, and metropolitan bus systems across the nation as a precaution. DHS encourages Americans to continue using mass transit in spite of this attack in London and to immediately report any suspicious incidents to law enforcement personnel.

No surprise, but I thought I'd pass it along.

255 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:54:55am

#246 Dave Ray, which side is toward the pole?

256 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:55:24am

Dave Ray -

It's wrong, but I can't figure out if it's upside down or backwards.

257 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:55:46am
258 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:56:41am

#241 SlothB77

It was bound to happen.

#250 TS

Wrong, the MSM will milk this for all its worth, i.e. we pissed off this guy for locking him up in the first place, therefore he now got back at us.

259 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:56:42am

#246 Dave Ray

Now that is fact-checking!

260 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:57:14am

#246 Dave Ray, Charles has the pole on the right just like when the American flag was there. I think if you flip the flag shown on your link around a vertical axis you'll get the same thing as Charles did.

261 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:57:36am

254 OR

Do you have to ride the trains home?

262 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:58:02am

#246 Dave Ray

No, we're just looking at the backside.

263 ferris  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:58:10am

#250

If that is true. (that one of the London bombers was released from Gitmo)

Ouch!

The dems and MSM will have one helluva headache.

I think you give them too much credit. They'll just say it's proof that they were mistreated! If we had been nicer they wouldn't have done this!

264 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:58:14am
265 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:58:40am

Re my #262

i.e. the flagpole is on the right hand side.

266 J.D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:58:58am

I remember how touching it was when the Brits played our national anthem just after 9/11.
So good of you to put their flag up, Charles.
Thank you.

267 Studsup  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:59:04am

Gut check time in the UK. This is tragic, but it is no different than Nazi Germany's blitz and it's subsequent use against London of the V-1 and V-2 terror rockets.

One difference is that the Brits knew how to fight back in those days. They didn't have a whole class of media pandering to the enemy. Unfortunately, I suspect that Blair will have to contend with a larger and more vocal LLL/MSM crowd screaming "we deserved it" than has even GWB. Galloway is likely to be just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the calls for retreat and appeasement. I also read stories already blaming Blair for failing to have prevented it. The MSM will have time to fix blame on everyone but our enemies who launch the attacks.

Mr. Blair has a very difficult time ahead of him.

268 tankdemon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:59:15am

241- SlothB77

Yes, that is a big if. Still way to early to give this story any credence, though it sounds incredibly plausable. Those looking for a link can find it at lawhawk's post at #212.

269 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:01pm

#194: Thanks, Amy. I was thinking about locating the nearest consulate to pay my respects in person, too.

270 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:03pm

#253 Renna

if an explosion is big enough to blow the top off of a double decker bus, and splash blood up 6 feet on a wall, I can't imagine how the bomber, at the center of the explosion would be identifyable at all... unless they used the Doughnut of Destruction!

(What a great movie)

271 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:17pm

Just in case no one was mentioned this yet, why our Aussie friends stay shoulder to shoulder with us...

Wikipedia

The Bali Bombing occurred on October 12, 2002 in the town of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people and injuring a further 209. It is considered the deadliest act of terrorism in Indonesian history. The majority of the dead were foreign tourists, especially Australians and Britons, but nearly one fifth were Indonesian nationals.

A number of Indonesians were sentenced to death for their parts in the bombings and in October 2002 Abu Bakar Bashir, a leader of the Jemaah Islamiah organisation often accused of being behind the attacks, was charged over his alleged role in the bombing. In March 2005, Bashir was found guilty of conspiracy over the attacks in Bali.

272 Dave Ray  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:33pm

[Link: www.royal.gov.uk...]

The Union Flag is flown correctly when the cross of St Andrew is above that of St Patrick at the hoist (as the earlier of the two to be placed on the flag, the cross of St Andrew is entitled to the higher position) and below it at the fly; in other words, at the end next to the pole the broad white stripe goes on top
© Buckingham Palace Press Office

My head hurts...it could be upside down or sideways I guess...but the pic above is the corrent way.

273 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:41pm
274 Beagle  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:45pm

#204 Rayra

Hussein Ibish is hardly more of a problem than those who conduct the interviews. Their stubborn refusal to learn about Islam, or orders not to discuss it, put us at a huge disadvantage. Ibish can get away with "Of course all civilized people, including Muslims, deplore this." Oh yeah? I don't think Hussein reads his Koran very much.

Cavuto is discussing profiling Middle Eastern men, which is one issue, but not the most important issue. I'd love to hear Cavuto quoting suras at Ibish and ask, "do you agree?" Today was a classic Sura 9.005. Ironically though, given the G8 summit, billions in charity postponed, I think (as usual) Muslims tend to be sociopathic hypocrites.

009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
275 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:56pm

#256 Amy


since the American Flag was reversed when it was on the right, I'm thinking this one is also reversed.

276 Americain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:00:57pm

What's a moderate muslim?

One who hasn't tried to kill you. Yet.


I got that off a great link from an earlier thread today.

277 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:01:01pm

271 PIMF

"was" "has" Whatever!

278 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:01:09pm

#263 ferris

Exactly.

279 sadhu  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:03:30pm

=Blair stressed that the bombers did not reflect the views of most Muslims."We know that these people act in the name of Islam, but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims here and abroad are decent, law abiding people who abhor the act of terrorism every bit as much as we do," he said.


well that's just bullshit

period

280 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:03:33pm

#272 Dave Ray, that one agrees with the one in your first link and Charles' display.

281 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:05:22pm
282 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:05:30pm

#261 Bubble Girl:

Do you have to ride the trains home?

That's the plan. But not until later... gym first...

Supposedly there were police tactical squads on Metro this morning, although I didn't see them.

We live in "interesting" times, unfortunately.

283 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:05:47pm

#273 taxfreekiller 7/7/2005 02:00PM PDT
on the subject,, I have a "M-1 Magnum" fire-cracker left from the 4th, says "warning-explosive" use only under adult eeemons asses,

do you think it was a misprint?

*made in china* its says,,,

go figure

O.K...now THAT was FUNNY!

284 David2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:06:01pm

I just couldn't get out of my mind today that HBO movie about the dirty bomb explosion in London. The key thing to me was that the police had tips about these terrorists but they had to keep their distance. They couldn't just go into the place where they were staying and see what they were doing. And when they finally were able to do something it was too late. This is the thing. These vermin are being noticed. They stand out. They need to be searched. Their residences need to be searched. Anytime. All the time. If they don't like it they can go back to the ME. They have been allowed to fester by the Geo Galloways of this world. When Galloway and the like are shut up there will be fewer terrorists in Britain and the rest of the civilized world.

285 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:06:03pm
286 Dave Ray  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:06:37pm

Roger:

How? Maybe it's me being stupid. But there's always a thick white stripe on top on the upper left (as I was taught in School)...Charles's flag has the red above the white.

287 Pennies for Patriots  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:06:57pm

How Prophetic:

www.christiantoday.com/news/europe/london.and.euro pe.take.up.full.armor.in.the.wake.of.doomsday.bomb .warning/259.htm


London and Europe Take up Full Armor in the Wake of Doomsday Bomb Warning

European is Confident In the Physical Battle
Posted: Wednesday, March 17 , 2004, 16:03 (UK)


The mayor and police chief of the British capital have warned yesterday against an "inevitable" and grisly London doomsday with suicide bomb attacks and deadly terrorist assaults.

Notably, the doomsday predictions come as police revealed they were investigating links between London Islamist radicals and a prime suspect in the Madrid bombings. North African Jamal Zougam, who’s accused of building the 13 bombs tragically destined for Madrid trains, is said to have rung counterparts in London using his mobile phone.

The terrorist attack is expected to be very bloody, as described by London’s mayor, Ken Livingstone.

"There are people out there who want to take lives, in the hundreds and the thousands," said Mr Livingstone. "These are people who celebrate death. We would be fools to assume we will always be able to stop terrorists."

Anyway, Europeans are still quite confident to the hidden battle.

Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan police commissioner, described the huge security effort, with hundreds of officers working at full stretch to try to prevent an atrocity. He dolefully admitted handling a "major catastrophe in London will not be easy".

Sir John and Mr Livingstone claimed London was one of the safest cities in the world and everything possible was being done to ensure it remained so.

Sir John added that intelligence is key in the fight against terrorism. Bombers could strike not just on the rail or tube network but virtually anywhere - pubs, nightclubs, buses or roads.

288 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:07:50pm

CAIR / CAIR-CAN: Condemning Muslim Terrorists?

On July 7, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) & the Canadian branch of CAIR (CAIR-CAN) both issued News Releases regarding the recent terror bombings that took place in England a few hours ago.

The U.S. branch of CAIR writes:

"We join Americans of all faiths, and all people of conscience worldwide, in condemning these barbaric crimes that can never be justified or excused. American Muslims offer their sincere condolences to the loved ones of those who were killed or injured in today's attacks and call for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators."

CAIR, which was founded by supporters of terrorist groups, offers the “sincere condolences” of American Muslims?

People have been blown apart, horribly disfigured, and their lives ruined in a senseless, barbaric act of Islamic terror, and CAIR/CAIR – CAN have the absolute nerve to offer condolences?

For over ten years, CAIR has stood with and defended the activities of Muslim terrorism suspects in America. In many cases, CAIR’s own officials have committed terrorist crimes while serving CAIR…and now we have this half-hearted, ridiculous, and insulting “condolence” message from the very people whom have defended Muslim terrorists in the past.

Have they no shame?

289 Crapulentis_Sum  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:07:55pm

ABC news on the hour (radio here) says "apparent" terrorist attack. As if it could be anything else ? The 4th estate.. er I mean the 5th column is in full spin mode...

290 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:08:00pm

I hate to throw a monkey wrench into the machinery but what if this was actually the work of anarchists trying to upset the G8 summit?

They knew they couldn't mount any kind of action in Edinboro(too much security),although the disruptions earlier this week might have been to probe security,they also knew any action on British soil would cause a disruption.

I don't personally subscribe to this theory,I think the anarchists would have announced responsibility because they thrive on attention.

I'm just running it up the flagpole for debate purposes.

291 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:08:34pm

#286 Dave Ray

thick white stripe on top

next to the pole[not left]

292 loppyd  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:08:43pm

My heart breaks for the people in those subways and on that bus. I weep for the victims and their families and I pray that G-d gives them strength and comfort.

I'm heading home to hug my family.

{LGF}

293 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:09:09pm

#286 Dave Ray

picture the right side of the screen as the pole, and the wind is blowing to the left.


that's the picture he has. (See which side is curling and which side is kept straight, like its attached to the pole?)

294 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:09:35pm

#292 loppyd

have a better evening.

295 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:09:36pm

#290 TS:

I think the anarchists would have announced responsibility because they thrive on attention.

I also don't think they'd have been organized enough to pull this off.

I'd rank it rather more likely that they were involved than, say, the Campfire Girls, but still unlikely.

296 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:09:37pm

Lets just see what GB DOES about this. Ill be watching and waiting.

Excuses:

1Over-reaction..NO-Heavens to Mergatroid, Never Overreact
2.Don't know WHO to address the Bomb TO
3.Our RESOLVE will not to be weakened..RESOLVE and Tough TALK does the trick. Stops Terrorism.
4.Provocation possibly ..Occupation possibly, so we have to understand the Root Cause
5. Finally, dont you dare be mean to British Muslims.

297 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:09:57pm

#286 Dave Ray, change your reference frame. Be the pole;-)

298 Dave Ray  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:10:09pm

I blame my teachers

299 niallster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:10:58pm

The Met WORKING ASSUMPTION is that these were British born suicide bombers.

IF this is true this place will rip apart.

Nothing will stop it.

300 vxbush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:11:09pm

Roger et al:

Maybe the British flag does not have a mirror image on the "back" side, as the American flag does. I don't know, as I have never looked at both sides of an authentic flag.

301 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:11:28pm

# 290 T S

Uh, then they've been too drug-addled to take credit in the 12 hours since the bombings? Or to at least refute the "secret al-Q in Eurabia" folks who did take credit?

302 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:11:44pm

#299

Id bet the bank on it.

303 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:12:29pm

#299 Continued

Know who the 1st 4 "fighters" caught among the Taliban were?

Brit citizens.

304 Rich  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:12:32pm

I don’t travel to London often, I haven’t been there for years and I have no need to go there now. In fact after today you could say I had a good reason to stay away.

Which is why as early as possible on Saturday my wife and I will be leaving our lovely car at home and getting on a train in order to travel the hundred or so miles to central London. Where we will take a few touristy sights in, certainly take a trip in the London eye, hit some bookshops, enjoy a nice open-air dinner and generally enjoy ourselves in one of the world’s finest cities.

If we can find someone to feed the cats at home, we may even stay overnight and see a show or a band maybe.

Why?
Because the vermin behind today would hate that.
Because I’m British and I guess that’s what we do when you try and scare us.
Because I may lose a battle, but I will never surrender or refuse to fight.
Most of all, because today someone bombed London. If they hadn’t, I wouldn’t be going, but now every Islamic terrorist on earth couldn’t keep me away.

305 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:04pm

# 304 R

And that's why we will win! Bravo!

306 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:05pm

#290 TotallySirius 7/7/2005 02:08PM PDT
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into the machinery but what if this was actually the work of anarchists trying to upset the G8 summit?

They knew they couldn't mount any kind of action in Edinboro


Wouldn't they need an "organization" to "coordinate" the attacks?

What kind of half-assed anarchist group would that be?

That's not anarchy!

307 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:08pm

#290

Nah. They would have left a trail of B.O.

308 vxbush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:18pm

Go, Rich, Go!

309 Vickie  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:42pm

#299---Nope almost right away, British Officials are doing the "We wont be DIVIDED" thing. Meaning...dont you all DARE to be mean to our British Muslim Citizens. They never have trouble saying this type of thing..AntiSemetism on the other hand? Denied,Denied, Denied ...Most of the time.

Who has Official Protection of the Government there? Hmmm? Geeze

310 Bob's Kid  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:51pm

Rich, I totally understand your motivations. I felt like doing the same after September 11th, although it was impossible. Take me with you in spirit, okay?

311 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:14:54pm

# 299 n

So you're saying vigilantism is about to rear its head?

/I'm saying it like it's a bad thing ...

312 ferris  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:15:49pm

304 Rich

Damn straight! Good for you.

I have some time off in October. Maybe I'll start looking at airfares to London.
As I said in another thread, you Brits are not allies, you're family.

You couldn't pay me enough to go Spain.

313 Kirly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:15:50pm

#36 EE
said, among other things

"Don't be afraid to categorize an act of murder made against randomly chosen people as terrorism. "

randomly chosen people. that part just grabbed me somehow. it brought to my mind the random shootings that used to happen in la when i was a kid (70's). could this be the initiation ritual for these local wannabe jihadis in the western nations? are the indicating to the big cheese himself, OBL, that they are ready and willing to participate? if so, we're all in for a huge amount of violence and murder.

of course, the 'why' doesn't really matter when people simply wish to kill you/us.

314 LSD  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:15:54pm

#304
Stiff upper lip !

315 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:15:55pm
316 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:04pm

#295 Occasional

I thought about the anarchist/organization problem,I concluded that although anarchists claim to support anarchy,they have some sort of organizational ability or they wouldn't be able to have their protests and gatherings.

The disruptions they caused earlier this week surprised alot of people because of the apparent level of organization.

317 Mentat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:14pm

I'm sick of the ROP. Somethings got to be done about it. Attacks all over the world, every day and all the media and our politicians can do is repeat, over and over again, "This had nothing to do with the true Islam. Most Muslims are law-abiding citizens who just want to live their lives in peace. Etc. Etc." This is just BS. Moderate Muslims (i.e. "BAD" Muslims) who have abandoned large chunks of their faith are a very small minority. The large majority are in sympathy with these attacks and are funding Jihadis everywhere with with their Zakat(the charitable gifts that Muslims are required to give to further their faith (a kind of tithe). That is why the US is having to shut down a new Islamic charity every other week.

The whole business is starting to make me sick. We can't even call the enemy by name; we have to use euphemisms like the "war on terror". What a joke!

318 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:15pm

#290 TS

Well, the Secret Al Qaida Jihad or whatever (ooo, secret!) claimed responsibility and no one else did.

Not that murderers are above lying, but it would be a little bit of a coincidence that one group decided to claim fake responsibility just when the real group decided to keep quiet.

Of course, I'm only going on what has been reported. Maybe others claimed responsibility too.

319 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:42pm

Rich @ 304

If I could, I would go with you... you are right, the best way to counter them is to show no fear, no cowering, but clear resolution...

I flew back from AU a week after 9/11... after everything had changed..

320 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:16:57pm

#300 vxbush, maybe. Then it would be at minimum two-ply and would bleed thru.

321 Crapulentis_Sum  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:17:32pm

304 Rich 7/7/2005 02:12PM PDT

If only more folks would show that spirit and backbone- this war would be over that much sooner. Bravo. Free people cannot be defeated by cowards who kill innocents. We can only kill ourselves by giving in...

322 Ann  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:18:49pm

I wish DP111 would post.

323 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:18:59pm

Charles Union Jack is in the International Distress mode [upside down]!

324 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:19:09pm
325 Kirly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:19:28pm

What the H#ll is Fox News doing? The BIG Story is getting muslim reaction to the bombings! should't we be getting British reaction? are they just trying to give us what we've been asking for - so-called moderate muslims condemning the attack?

they have some nutcase up there talking about blair having hosted criminals who were attacking muslims in the 90s. huh?

326 bouzouki  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:20:05pm

This is very politically incorrect, but I had a Glock on lay-away. I decided to get it out today. I'm sorry that you Brits don't have that option.

327 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:20:28pm

#268 tankdemon

The link is also at my post at 28 in this thread.

328 freedomplow  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:20:33pm

The media Is the enemy!

So far in CNN and MSNBC I have seen them talk about what this does politically for Bush and Blair.

329 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:20:56pm

#323 foreign devil, nope.

330 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:23:52pm

#267 Studsup -

Fine points.

I am reading the posts on other sites as well as the general tenor of the news stories. My conclusion: Blair will be blamed and will be forced to resign.

I really hate to admit that, but the "Iraq was a distraction" mantra has sunk in deep, and Brits can rationalize that they are standing up to terror by pretending Iraq isn't part of it. So you get "Blair blew it by going into Iraq so Blair has to go." They will take the Spanish deal and treat terror as a law enforcement problem.

Thing is, I think that the UK leaving Iraq will end up bringing Iran into the south, where the UK runs their ops. Here is why.

What that sets up is the Sunni / Shiite war across the whole region that most people here at LGF are expecting. That war is "plan b" for the US - it will be bloody and savage beyond anything we have seen since the Iran Iraq war - it will resemble Rwanda. We will have tried to prevent it, but it will happen because we all know that there are no substantive "moderate voices" in the region - that chimera has long be exposed as a joke, otherwise Abbas would be running a functioning state of Palestine.

Sorry for the pessimism, but the reality is that the citizens of the UK have been brainwashed for so long by "liberal" media (an oxymoron) to accept that Muslims live in a different world, like oppression, and justifiably resent our "intrusions" on their world while it would be wrong for the west to do anything but embrace their "views" and "culture" as a test of out tolerance.

The Aussies and Italians will get hit next with the same results for the same reasons. So the US will stand alone, do what it must and permanently assume periah status right after Israel.

331 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:24:11pm

#323 foreign devil

Charles Union Jack is in the International Distress mode [upside down]!

No. The pole is on the right. Not in distress.

332 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:24:26pm

I got home safe from work. It was not too bad, the streets were crowded, but the roads were empty of traffic apart from emergency services.

No work tomorrow, but back to normal on monday.

NB - London police are guarding major london mosques.

333 bouzouki  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:24:37pm

#299 niallster

The Met WORKING ASSUMPTION is that these were British born suicide bombers.

First I've heard of this. Why do they think that? Do you think (assuming it's true) that this might open some folks eyes to the fact that "It's the religion, stupid"?

334 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:25:17pm

#328 freedom

that's the one trouble with 24 hour news organizations... they run out of stuff to talk about, so they rehash the facts every few minutes, then have to fill time, so they make up "what if" and "How will this affect things" type conversations.

335 In Vino Veritas  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:26:51pm

#290 TS

The attack was pure al-Q MO. The last thing G8 anarchists would want to do is frame a-Q. But those
same Marxist nutjobs do add fuel to the fire.

336 drool  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:27:10pm

ABC web site is reporting that the bus bomb was a suicide bomber and the coppers have 2 unexploded bombs they have recovered.

337 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:28:05pm

#332 Smit
I hope they are searching the mosques too. It is ok to store weapons there, per the koran.

338 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:29:28pm

#304 Rich: Good for you!

If we can find someone to feed the cats at home, we may even stay overnight and see a show or a band maybe.

Ah, ready to blame the cats, are we?:p

339 jfromfolsomca  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:30:05pm

Hard to put words to this kind of savagery. G*d I hate these demons - and all the LLL that support them.

j

340 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:30:11pm

#337 Crimson

and to fire from the inside of, especially when the enemy troops have been prevented from firing back, due to constant whining.

341 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:30:34pm

Smit

London police are guarding major london mosques.

Projection.

Glad you are safe. I was racking my brain today trying to remember all the Londoner lizards.

342 FlyingTigress  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:30:54pm

#332 Smit

From outsiders, undoubtedly

G_d bless, Smit, you, and our other friends on the Isles, this day.

343 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:31:43pm

#332 Smit: Good to see your post. A Brit colleague here said that according to her friends, sporting goods stores in central London are doing a brisk business selling sneakers (trainers, whatever) and the like to people facing a 2, 3 or 4-hour walk home.

344 grayp  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:31:49pm

Smit, so glad you're home safe and sound!

Did you guys see this interview with John Bradley (yeah, I know) over at FrontPage? He's writing a book about his 2.5 years in the Magic Kingdom. Quite an eyeopener.

I write about the picnic at some length in the book. But the Bin Ladens that day told me two bits of information I obtained that are particularly extraordinary, which I can highlight here. The first is that they have applied to the Al-Saud regime to have their names changed in their passports: they no longer want to be known in the outside world as the Bin Ladens. Apparently, that request has in principle been approved by the royals, a decision unprecedented in the history of the Arabian Peninsula. No one has reported this yet.


Link

345 jehu  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:32:50pm

London police are guarding major london mosques.

If I'm a London cop, I would do a real bad on this assignment.

346 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:32:52pm

#343 OR

Yeah.. I suppose for a country that relies SO heavily on Public Transportation, such an event really will screw with business, and thus the economy, over there (and over here)

makes me glad I own my 91 chevy silverado.

347 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:33:05pm

And what do the communists have to say:

Statement by the Communist Party, USA on today’s attacks in London

The Communist Party, USA condemns the series of bomb attacks today in London. We condemn all terrorist acts targeting civilians with violence, whether conducted by individuals, governments or groups. The number of casualties is as yet unknown, but the devastation and loss of human life of every race, religion and nationality is severe. Today’s attack should be treated as a criminal act and not as an excuse for further war, attacks on civil liberties and military aggression.

This from communists? Fucking socialists

348 ibu guru  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:33:42pm

#246 Dave Ray

Has anybody noticed that Charles' Union Jack is upside down?

Flying your flag upside down is an international distress call, and Britain is certainly in distress today.

349 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:34:47pm
350 Rich  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:34:54pm

#338 Occasional Reader

Ah, ready to blame the cats, are we?:p

OK, you caught me, the very idea of watching a musical gives me the shits.

351 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:34:57pm

We can relax, folks, Kofi Annan is all over this thing like a cheap suit.

"These vicious acts have cut us all to the core, for they are an attack on humanity itself," Annan said in a statement. "Today, the world stands shoulder to shoulder with the British people."

I feel so much better, don't you?

352 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:35:14pm

#348 ibu guruTHE UNION JACK IS NOT UPSIDE DOWN!

353 Smit  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:35:32pm

#343 Occasional Reader - Yeah women were buying whatever flat shoes there were. Then the shops shut, so people were buying summer holiday magazines because they were giving away free flip flops!

I'm absolutely shattered, gonna get an early night.

G'night all & thanks for your thoughts & prayers, we all appreciate it.

354 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:35:58pm

#350 Rich

OK, you caught me, the very idea of watching a musical gives me the shits.

now that's comedy.

355 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:36:05pm

OT - From Instapundit: Mark Steyn to be on Hugh Hewitt's show at 3pm Pacific.

Michelle Malkin has comments / observations from Christopher Hitchens on the London terror attacks.

None of this, of course, has stopped George Galloway and his ilk from rushing to the microphone and demanding that the British people be removed "from harm's way" by an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. (Since the Islamists also demand a withdrawal from Afghanistan, it surprises me that he doesn't oblige them in this way as well, but perhaps that will come in time.)

...It is ludicrous to try and reduce this to Iraq. Europe is steadily becoming a part of the civil war that is roiling the Islamic world, and it will require all our cultural ingenuity to ensure that the criminals who shattered London's peace at rush hour this morning are not the ones who dictate the pace and rhythm of events from now on.

356 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:36:43pm

#207 hepcat

Do you really expect less from San Francisco's Commonwealth Club? This is the same place where Al Gore first went off his nut, in a speech contradicting everything he ever said or believed when he was a Senator and Vice President. It may have been the first diagnosed case of acute BDS.

357 Americain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:37:18pm

#304 Rich

KUDOS!

358 Dianna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:38:23pm

This morning on the Ron Owen Show, Babs Boxer said this attack was directly attributable to Bush going into Iraq.

This stupid woman must resign.

359 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:38:35pm

#351 Occasional Reader 7/7/2005 02:34PM PDT
We can relax, folks, Kofi Annan is all over this thing like a cheap suit.

"These vicious acts have cut us all to the core, for they are an attack on humanity itself," Annan said in a statement. "Today, the world stands shoulder to shoulder with the British people."
I feel so much better, don't you?

...yeah, especially since he needs "scarier" U.S. troops in Haiti to help the U.N. "peacekeepers"...a little more incompetence should really help the Brits relax.

/sarc

360 EW1(SG)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:38:54pm

#304 Rich:

I don’t travel to London often, I haven’t been there for years and I have no need to go there now. In fact after today you could say I had a good reason to stay away.

Well met. I visited NYC in 1977, and vowed never to return.

That changed in 2001, and I never miss a chance to stop in the city as I pass by and spend some money or time.

361 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:39:45pm

HEY! Did you guys notice that the Union Jack is upside down?

/pimping Roger

362 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:40:59pm

#358 Dianna
Amen to that. She must resign and take rep conyer from Detroit with her.

363 Jakester  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:41:19pm

Jihad shot dead in Albany NY!

364 centaur  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:42:11pm

Have Medved on. Some obsessed maniac says that what we ought to be focused on now more than anything -- now, in light of all the day's events -- is the Downing Street Memo... oh my God! These people are insane.

365 kstagger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:43:30pm

I've never been to Britain - but I feel like it's a second home for us Americans.

English language, lit., law, culture, and our obvious common past makes it all of America's past. They will always be Allies since the days of WWI.

These attacks have struck a nerve with me, even more than the Madrid bombings.

366 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:43:47pm

#349 AI -

I have to agree with you.

"Plan A" had the transformation of the region around western democratic values. Common folk like it, but the clerics (excepting many Shiites, oddly) are dead against it. Thugtocracy has a long history there, and the clerics exploit that. Democratization didn't take hold in Europe until after clerics there were stripped of power and property. In the US it was separation of church and state.

No one (even Bush) is willing to round up the muslim clerics who are inciting jihad and throwing them in jail. They grab a couple of the more heineous ones here and there, but they are unwilling to confront the philosophy that explicitly wishes to destroy us for fear of offending it.

So "plan b" it is. Let's just hope we have the brains to at least enforce our existing immigration laws and to invest in proper border security - north and south.

367 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:44:00pm

#358 Dianna

that's perfectly ok for a dem to say... but to have a conservative suggest that wanting to hunderstand why an enemy hates us might be weak (i.e. Rove) . . . why, that's despicible!


*smirk*

368 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:44:21pm

#360 EW1(SG):

I visited NYC in 1977, and vowed never to return.

It was that Khlav Khlash vendor, wasn't it?

369 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:45:03pm
 #358

Dianna  7/7/2005 02:38PM PDT
This morning on the Ron Owen Show, Babs Boxer said this attack was directly attributable to Bush going into Iraq.


This stupid woman must resign.

Was she wearing black and white stockings and did she mention anything about getting Bush, and his little dog too?

370 elandadem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:45:16pm

"Jerusalem is lost!" was a rallying cry for the crusaders. Unfortunately, we may have come to the point where we must face the realization that Europe is lost. The British aside, they just haven't the intestinal fortitude to fight the good fight. Get out if you can.

371 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:46:02pm

368 OR

Which one is you in the link?

372 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:46:08pm

Want more proof that the jihad had arrived in London? Read this hair-raising story in This is London. (link via The Corner)

373 ibu guru  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:47:00pm

#332 Smit

NB - London police are guarding major london mosques.

I hope they have them - and everyone entering/exiting - under surveillance in preparation for raids to arrest perpetrators!

374 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:48:09pm

An Englishman is on Foxnews saying the British people now have the attitude of "is this the best you can do?".

Right on!

375 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:48:34pm

#345 jehu:

If I'm a London cop, I would do a real bad on this assignment [guarding mosques].

Actually, I might welcome it.

[Turn to partner] "Did you just hear a scream coming from inside the mosque?"

[Partner theatrically cocks ear] "Why, yes, I think I did. We'd better go inside and thoroughly investigate."

376 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:48:46pm

372 scaramouche

Some people need some killing. Those assholes just volunteered in my book.

377 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:49:05pm
 0#356

Lizard by the Bay  7/7/2005 02:36PM PDT

#207 hepcat

Do you really expect less from San Francisco's Commonwealth Club? This is the same place where Al Gore first went off his nut, in a speech contradicting everything he ever said or believed when he was a Senator and Vice President. It may have been the first diagnosed case of acute BDS.

This is true, I remember getting a notice from the CDC verifying this was the very first diagnosed case. You can find it in the New England Journal of Political Science.

378 jlfintx  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:49:43pm

Anyone listening to Dennis Prager or Michael Medved today would have been floored about the comments.

First on Prager, you had a muslim leader call in that is in MN and indicated that 20 out of 21 mosques there preach the radical version of Islam. Where the hell is the DHS or the FBI?

On Medved, you had caller after called from within this country saying how evil the US and UK is run by the Jews in a giant conspiracy. The majority of the callers?

Black Muslims, and most indicated they will relish seeing this country go down in flames, and repeatedly mentioning Elijah Muhammed and Malcolm X, with a spattering of Farrukan.

Again, where are the authorities-this seems to be like the rumblings of what could really break out into another civil war. Lock and load baby.

379 Zack  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:49:55pm

Mecca and Medina. Off the map. Now.

380 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:51:00pm

#371 BG:

Which one is you in the link?

That's me in the background, stylin' in my Armani suit. (No idea why I'm wearing glasses, though.)

381 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:51:04pm

The Union Jack flag is displayed correctly.


[*breaks out in a sweat*] Whew! Hard work but somebody's got to do it.
382 Kirly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:51:05pm

i just heard on FNC that 2 unexploded devices were found with timing devices! Coudl they have been washing machine timers, I wonder.

383 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:51:41pm
384 TS  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:52:20pm

What evil bastards...they bombed the trains first so the buses would be full.
And how much longer is that "Islam is a religion of peace" BS gonna fly? I cringe when I hear that and yell at the politicians on tv to stop lying! Everyone knows the truth, whether they voice it or not, Islam is evil to the core!

385 freedomsound  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:53:46pm

Officials: Unexploded Devices Discovered in London

U.S. authorities tell ABC News that British police have recovered two unexploded bombs from the scene of the terror attacks in London.

In addition, British investigators say that parts of timing devices have been recovered from the blast scene that would have been used to detonate an explosive device. This could provide evidence that would help determine who was behind the attacks, sources told ABC News.

Police in London found two unexploded devices after the morning's four subway and bus bombings that left at least 40 dead and 700 injured, ABC News has learned.

Officials also found remnants of timing devices left behind on the subways, though it is believed that the bus attack was carried out by a suicide bomber, sources said.

386 AngryDumbo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:54:01pm

#372

I read this too. These guys are bad news and bold enough to speak in public.


The story of these four Jihadis in London sounds like the Kos Kids except the Jihadis really do hate us and want to kill us.

(Downloading the picture of the four dead contractors tells me that when these guys say "screw them" they really mean it.)


How long before the Cornerites begin sounding like LGF'ers?

387 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:55:50pm

OT (sort of): Um, I, ah, don't think this is a good idea:

Iranians to train Iraq's military

WTF?

388 AngryDumbo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:56:41pm

Time to switch on the Vacancy light at Club G'itmo. : )

389 Kirly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:56:44pm

#332 Smit

"Don't be afraid to categorize an act of murder made against randomly chosen people as terrorism. "

aaarrrggghhh!

i think i just lost my mind - or at least a few brain cells. guarding them against what? themselves? they are quite literally probably protecting people who knew about the attacks or even participated in planning them. up is down, wrong is right.

390 mungagungadin  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:57:32pm

#12, Radian, I have felt that way about Boxer since her "it's not a baby 'til you take it home" speech. She's a monster. And that, from a sweet Mormon girl.

What I want to know is:

where can we American Mother-land lovers deposit our consolation money?

and two:

Who has created a memory book/blog JUST for this event to be from the world TO England, and where can I find it?

391 MN_but_red  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:57:42pm

#31 Copano_Texian

I know I'm late in the thread (I actually have some work to do), but I was reading through your post and thought you were doing very good satire. No capitalization except to emphasize words, poor spelling and incomprehensible grammar, then I saw that it was a copy of an actual post.

Here I thought you had been reading their junk too much :-)

392 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:58:34pm

Via Michelle Malkin's blog:

[Link: counterterror.typepad.com...]

"Steven Emerson appeared on MSNBC this morning (full trasnscript now available) to discuss the London terrorist bombings and asked me to post the highlights:

""Increasingly it's looking as a British intelligence official told me this morning not more than an hour ago, that he used the term, ‘Our North African boys’, meaning some of the North African type of militant Muslim groups and individuals who were responsible for the Spanish attacks in 2003 that have a very striking similarity to the attacks that were carried out this morning in London...There is an interconnected network of Algerians, of Moroccans, of Saudis operating throughout Europe and it certainly coincides with the opening of the trial of Abu Hamza al-Masri who is a radical Islamic cleric in London whose is charged with incitement has been indicted in the United States on charges of trying to set up a jihad training camp in Oregon...The simultaneous nature of the bombings and the potential there was a suicide bomber suggests very strongly that was some type of Al-Qaeda offshoot of known radical Islamic groups or unknown groups, individuals at least, plotting this for a long time. This couldn't have been done overnight...the 3/11 attacks and these attacks clearly show that mass transit infrastructures in the West are very susceptible and almost impossible to protect by Western law enforcement and therefore the intelligence is clearly the first line of defense. The fact that they were not able to stop this type of attack clearly shows there was a failure of intelligence."..."

393 sailordude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 12:59:49pm

Can we nuke 'em now?

394 Studsup  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:00:51pm

#383 American Infidel -- The Supreme Court just recently ruled, in a case involving enforcement of protective orders, that the police have no legal obligation to protect you and that you cannot sue them if they fail. That ruling is consistent with other similar lower court rulings.

It's right.

Any government that could protect all of its citizens would have to be so intrusive and omnipresent that it would be a government to fear. That is why our founding fathers knew from experience that armed individual citizens responsible for their own self-defense were the best method of protecting life, liberty and property.

The 2nd Amendment is your right, exercise it.
Safely and responsibly, of course.

395 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:00:58pm

Look at this.

In the wake of a series of apparent terrorist bombings in London this morning, an entity calling itself "Al-Qaida's Secret Organization" has taken credit for the coordinated attack in a claim posted on an Internet website. However, there is evidence to suggest that this purported claim is nothing more than a hoax. The claim (as seen below) was first posted early this morning on the "Fortress" chat board, a long-time meeting place for Islamic extremists and Al-Qaida sympathizers.

Internet claim for Terror attack most likely a Hoax.

396 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:02:11pm

Roger @ 381

WOW...

/lol

397 FlyingTigress  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:02:43pm

#388 AngryDumbo

"Hi, I'm Tom Bodette, (COL, USMC), and we'll leave the light on for you!"

398 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:04:40pm

OR @ 387

OR, don't you remember the Black Burkha Iranian Women's Police Squad training video... the ghastly freaky photo of them dangling on the side of a building... still creeps me out... maybe they will be training the Iraqis?

399 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:05:38pm

Manning just floored me. He said, on cnn...

"we must seperate islamic, from extremist..."


Oh Britain, are you already lost?
:(

I could not believe I was sitting there watching clips of the horror that was today in London, and the British Ambassador to the US was saying we had to seperate islam from extremist. If you can do that, more power to you. when you realize you cannot, it will be too late.

God, it's just going to be the Lizard Nation that survives this thing. I guess we better look into ways to conceal who we are, where we live and what we look like if we're going to stay safe in the coming islamic world. Of course, it won't affect me, casue I'll die fighting them before I turn dhimmi. and I mean that.
what in the world...what in the world manning...what in the world...

400 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:06:13pm

#385 freedomsound

In addition, British investigators say that parts of timing devices have been recovered from the blast scene that would have been used to detonate an explosive device.

Washing machine timers?

401 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:07:56pm

The left is always yelling about how since Bush and Cheney have backgrounds in the oil industry; they represent Big Oil. I wonder, if they both had backgrounds in the condom insdustry, would the left be yelling that they represented Big Condoms? Hmmm. Someone help me out on this one...

402 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:08:45pm

#350 Rich

Ah, ready to blame the cats, are we?:p
OK, you caught me, the very idea of watching a musical gives me the shits.

No excuse. Take the cats with you. You go to the pub and send the cats to watch the musical. (How about "Cats"?)

403 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:09:05pm

Mark Steyn speaking now on Hugh Hewitt.

404 moonbatslayer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:10:51pm

#381 the union jack is displayed corectly?
i dont get it

405 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:10:59pm

Red Ken is sounding awefully conservative today.

Isn't it amazing how even the most vile leftist becomes conservative a few miliseconds after a disaster that effects them?

406 EW1(SG)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:11:42pm

#368 OR:

It was that Khlav Khlash vendor, wasn't it?

Nah, like Rich:

OK, you caught me, the very idea of watching a musical gives me the shits.

except I get hives.

Have a better weekend all, I'll see you after 'Nam Grunt's BBQ.

407 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:12:06pm

I just had a conversation via post with a moonbat of the first degree. He asked me, after my long post about the LLL and terrorists if I really believed that liberals wanted the terrorists to win.

I told him.


YES.

They will fry me over it. Say I am questioning their patriotism. Say I'm a bigot. I don't care anymore. I spent part of my day reading the insanity at DU, and I know the enemy and he is LIBERAL. They attack the Constitution and our freedoms, and muslim scum attack us with bombs and swords. They are on the same team, there is no doubt.

Wake up America. Wake up world. Before it's too late.

408 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:12:12pm

304 Rich

Don't go to London on Saturday. Go on Sunday. There will be a big parade on Horseguards Parade in the afternoon, then a flypast at 5pm. The Queen is expected to speak at the parade. And at about 5.15pm a lone Lancaster bomber will fly low down the mall and drop a million poppies.

All part of the remembrance of VE/VJ 60 years ago.

I am taking my eldest granddaughter. And in the morning in will take her to the Churchill Museum and his underground Cabinet War Rooms.

409 moonbatslayer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:12:32pm

#375

...LOL!

410 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:12:48pm

Hm, first time I've heard Steyn's voice. His accent is much more English than I expected.

411 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:13:56pm

Mark Steyn says "Western dithering" is a big part of the problem.

I nominate it for a revolving title.

ewww mentioned Al Franken as damaging to our security.

412 Amy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:01pm

scaramouch #372 -

Horrific article. What gets me most is how f*ing arrogant they are.

The UK lets Muslims in, they get an education for free, their parents have good jobs, and this is how they think?

I spit on them and their primitive, murderous ideology.

413 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:08pm

Back after a lovely dinner with my g/f - we decided to cook a good one and be thankful that none of our friends have lost a loved one in London today and that our families are safe.

Back on topic:

How fortunate that this bus blew up outside a building full of doctors. A medic friend of mine has been working flat out at UCH round the corner from Tavistock Sq. Thank G*d for our hard-working, selfless emergency services. And hats off to the builders who ran into a nearby hospital and offered to give blood as soon as they heard the news.

An attack like today's shatters your belief in humanity. Then you see how people rally round the injured and the needy and your faith is restored. We will not let these savages win.

Oh, and thanks for putting the Union Jack up Charles. Us Brit LGFers appreciate all of the Lizardoid support. It IS upside down though :P

414 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:14:50pm

401 BGB

They (LLL's) couldn't say anything if it was BIG POT (marihuana) Industry, now could they?

415 Owl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:00pm

moonbatslayer,
when Old Glory comes back...you'll get it. They proved to me I was wrong, but it still looks odd if the stars are on the right.

I was looking at a site explaining why soldiers have the flag "backward" on their right shoulder. It gave a pretty good explaination, but I wondered later that night if it had always been that way?

I know when it's on a pole it doesn't matter which way it blows, or which way the stars sit...but the flag here was not on a pole. Sure, it was a pic of a blowing flag...maybe if you added a pole it would look right.

or maybe I'll just take another spin around the looney bin. Whiiizzz...

416 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:07pm

Mark Steyn on HH is on a tear. Tune in if you can.

This should work.

[Link: www.streamaudio.com...]

417 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:34pm

"It's all one war", Steyn says... Yep.

418 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:15:45pm

#401 BGB

LMFAO!

Dammit,that made me spew my beer all over the monitor(missed the keyboard this time).

I'll never learn to put down my drink while reading LGF.

419 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:16:24pm

I was thinking of going to london late summer/ fall.

It may be safer just to stay in Tel Aviv.

420 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:17:27pm

"Some [Western] countries are already lost to us... Chirac... is deeply compromised in his whole relationship with Islam." [Steyn]

Nice to hear this being said out loud, someplace other than here at LGF.

421 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:25pm

419 GJ

:{

422 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:38pm

Go Steyn! Kill the snake in it's liar. Wow!

Democrats do not have credibility on the issue of the Patriot Act, he says.

Go Steyn.

423 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:47pm

I still can't get over how the BBC has no problem using the term "terrorist attacks" to describe today's events.

When the same thing happens in my city, it's "militant attacks".

I guess it really does make a difference when you're killing only Jews.

424 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:18:50pm

#405

Isn't it amazing how even the most vile leftist becomes conservative a few miliseconds after a disaster that effects them?

Not George Galloway. Fucker's advocating for a Zapatero style approach to appease...er deal with terrorism.

425 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:20:04pm

What would the LLLs say if Bush and Cheney had worked in the sex toy industry?

426 Radian  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:20:49pm

OT


Rhenquist to retire

[Link: worldnetdaily.com...]

427 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:21:30pm

423 Golden J

Yes, I think you are right... I tried to point this out earlier... was thinking of you and how you guys live with this day in and day out..

428 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:01pm

#414 Bubble Girl
The left represents Big Weed

429 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:04pm

Yes, thanks for the flag, whichever way it's facing, and thanks for kind words by various folks.

430 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:06pm

Regarding Steyn on HH -

Agree we have to take the fight to the terrorists, but it should be made explicit that destroying their will to fight means creating a level of suffering for the imams that convinces them that God has abandoned them.

431 superninja  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:22:21pm

#426

It seems there is a lot happening rather quickly these days.

432 moonbatslayer  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:18pm

#415 owl

why is the flag on military uniforms backwards?

433 [Mark]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:40pm

If your typical British Muslim is truly a loyal Brit, then why did they vote for George Galloway in overwhelming numbers?

434 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:47pm
Democrats do not have credibility on the issue of the Patriot Act, he says.

Actually, it's more accurate to say - Democrats do not have credibility on the issue of the Patriot Act War on Terror and National Defense.

435 TotallySirius  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:47pm

#424 Fenway

Galloway is a special case,he's not a leftist or a liberal,he is a radical Islam enabler.

436 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:23:51pm

#413 Al Charabiya

Hey there! Glad to hear you and yours are safe.

I checked your nic as soon as I got home to see if you had posted.

437 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:24:17pm
#428

Black George Bush  7/7/2005 03:22PM PDT

 #414 Bubble Girl
The left represents Big Weed

Exactly... BGB... that would be a horrible conundrum if it were Weed instead of oil... the Left would be trapped, unable to protest...

438 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:24:25pm

#428 BGB

The left represents Big Weed

Which is a shame. If the Republicans represented it we'd have much better supply chains!

439 superninja  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:25:04pm

Martyring Muslims doesn't seem to make much of a difference to the fanatics.

What is needed is to take their human capital out their hands - their children.

No more warped children, no more jihadis.

440 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:25pm

Hugh Hewitt regarding the left - after today "they still don't get it."

Damned right.

441 The Ganjahedeen  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:44pm

#438 Lizard by the Bay

No comment

442 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:26:51pm

I'm not a spokesman for Brits or anything like that, but I want to thank Charles and the commentors who've expressed their support. I've not heard one word about withdrawing from Iraq.

I'm still waiting to hear from a cousin and a friend. I'm 95% sure we'd have heard from their immediate family if they'd been hurt.

Two of my mother's work colleagues had (adult) children in the midst of these bombings. One was on the train blown up near Kings Cross - minor injuries. Another got off the bus that was blown up 20 seconds before the bomb was detonated.

443 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:27:50pm

#439 superninja

What is needed is to take their human capital out their hands - their children.

No more warped children, no more jihadis.

I like it. I can see the media campaign already. "This is Bob Barker, reminding you to get your Muslims spayed or neutered!"

444 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:28:50pm

Medved will not come on for awhile here in Colorado, right now listening to KNUS and Hugh Hewitt.


Just turned on the TV and computer and hour ago. When I was searching for KNUS on the way I listned to Air America...putrid!

445 sailordude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:29:23pm

OT

Reckon those fucksticks currently checked in at Club Gitmo have ever seen the likes of Dennis?

Dirty D

446 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:29:24pm

Mosques in Western Europe (and the US) need to be subjected to much more severe restrictions, and, ideally, closed down.

Imams need to be sent the hell back where they came from.

Stop immigration.

Get the f*ckin' gloves off.

Now is the time to move against them, while people still have this atrocity fresh in their minds.

447 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:21pm

#442 Colt

Thank you for your blogging and information as it became available.

Prayers and thoughts to you for those unheard from - and our hopes that they are fine.

448 Cindy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:50pm

ON THE NET...

[Link: www.internet-haganah.us...]
July 07, 2005
"London Calling..."

[Link: www.internet-haganah.us...]
November 29, 2004
"WANTED: Mustafa Setmariam Nasar"

[Link: www.rewardsforjustice.net...]
"WANTED
Mustafa Setmariam Nasar
(Mustafa Sitmaryan Nassar)
Up to $5 Million Reward"

[Link: www.internet-haganah.us...]
August 03, 2004
"Iran Linked To Madrid Bombings"

[Link: www.internet-haganah.us...]
August 27, 2004
"Rome Newspaper Profiles Alleged Head of Al Qaida in Europe
Rome Il Messaggero via FBIS"

[Link: www.internet-haganah.us...]
November 29, 2004
"Report Links 9/11 Attacks, Madrid Bombings
MADRID, Spain"

449 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:30:57pm

Listening to Hugh Hewitt, and quotes from Al Franken, what a douchebag.

450 Missouri Boy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:31:15pm

If we really wanted to hit Islam*spit* where it hurt... start taking out every "holy site" of Islam . Start with Mecca, and keep going till they get it,.. even if it means part of Detroit.

2 cents
Missouri boy

451 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:31:58pm

Hamas also condemned the bombings. "Targeting civilians' lives and their means of transportation is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the group's political bureau said Thursday in Damascus.

Remarkable.

452 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:32:11pm

#438 Lizard by the Bay
And Higher profit margins.

453 niallster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:03pm

TONY BENN ON BBC NOW! Comparing todays bombers with Mandela.

I am not generally a proponent of violence but if I meet this **** I WILL FUCKING HURT HIM. PROMISE.

454 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:36pm

#451 Colt
If it weren't so deadly, that would be funny. Can we say taqiyya? Who are they kidding with comments like that?

455 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:33:38pm

#451 Colt

Can I put Hamas and chutzpah in the same sentence?

Holy moley.

456 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:09pm

On HH they have Air America clips ...

Left says -"These are monsters, but we aren't fighting them effectively. We need more accountability, better and more public oversight of our clandestine services, and democrats running congress. Then we will defeat the monsters. Bush is bumbling and making them stronger."

These. Are. Idiots.

To think I was once a leftist.

457 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:22pm

#451 Colt:

Remarkable.

Bullshit.

They're just worried that the EU may revise its position towards terrorists erh, sorry, militants in the ME.

Y'know, stop having working lunches and that.

458 kafir  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:34:25pm

Have we not learned?

The longer we allow these elements in civilized society, the greater the risk will be to our families. These elements are trivially radicalized, and try their damnedest to kill their host society.

There are some muslim groups that do not believe in this jihadi worldview, and do find what happened outrageous. I am sadly of the opinion that they are in fact in the tiny minority, not the jihadis.

Note the response from the head of some Muslim organization in the UK. His response is "stay in if you are muslim". Not "we abhor this, we want to help you find the perpetrators, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law." It was "Muslims stay in, especially women".

Despicable. Absolutely, completely despicable.

People of the UK, I feel for you. I am sorry you experienced what the Israelis have been experiencing from 1948 onwards (and before for that matter). I grieve for you and with you. As do the Israelis. As do most of the civilized world.

But not the major Muslim groups, they are in massive cover-their-ass mode.

Completely disgusting. If there are muslims out there that despise this carnage, that abhor the killing of innocents for the sake of killing innocents, who thinks jihadis are insane and need restraint or retroactive abortions, please, please speak up.

We are waiting. Sadly, I think we will be waiting a long time to hear this emerge.

We have not learned. These people cannot be loyal to their host country. Just ask the Lodi imam, Or the one in Manhattan.

459 perkypauly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:35:16pm

We should proclaim:

One more terrorist act ANYWHERE say bye bye to Mecca, Damascus and Tehran

460 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:06pm

#449 CrimsonFisted

Al f*ckaken is just another enabler to the terrorists like Galloway...I'm listening to it also

461 sailordude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:34pm

# 459 perkypauly

Works for me.

462 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:38:37pm

#456 karmic_inquisitor

We need more accountability, better and more public oversight of our clandestine services,

Moonbat just doesn't cover it.

463 superninja  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:40:03pm

#443

Actually, giving their women the option not to be a Muslim or die would be a good place to start.

464 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:40:29pm

I noticed the picture of that building's facade... it's horrible.

But now it's better I try to sleep over all this.

465 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:41:46pm

My Governer, Bill Owens next on Hewitt.

466 Studsup  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:42:37pm

#392 foreign devil,

I have to disagree with Emerson. "Failure of intelligence".. . that's an intentionally decieving notion designed to deflect attention from the real issue, that Islam is at war against the west.

Intelligence cannot be expected to be perfect all the time, so to cite it as a "failure" states the obvious in an unhelpful way and discourages consideration of other alternatives to fight the war that should also be considered to complement solid intelligence gathering.

Profiling, interrogating, deporting non-citizen muslims are other options that ought to be considered too. Raiding and turning a few suspected terror mosques inside out for intelligence makes sense too. No enemy has ever been defeat solely by having good intelligence on them. It's only one important piece of an overall strategy for victory that has to be in place.

This isn't merely a criminal matter and until the politicians begin to define the war and our enemy, "failures of intelligence" sound

467 Firebreather  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:44:06pm

Everywhere I went today, there was the elephant in the room. Nobody dares speak its name. Everybody too afraid of appearing "intolerant" or "judgmental," even after the latest in a very long string of Islamist barbarisms.

I started to talk to 8 co-workers (in very measured, cool tones)about the megalomania of Islam, and the homicidal exhortations of the Koran. There was an uncomfortable silence as I spoke, then 2 people got up and walked away. Then 2 more. Then the remaining 4 simply walked off, nobody having said a single word in response to my comments.

Their silence spoke volumes. The West is still supine.

468 Firebreather  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:22pm

Everywhere I went today, there was the familiar elephant in the room. Nobody dares speak its name. Everybody too afraid of appearing "intolerant" or "judgmental," even after the latest in a very long string of Islamist barbarisms.

I started to talk to 8 co-workers (in very measured, cool tones)about the megalomania of Islam, and the homicidal exhortations of the Koran. There was an uncomfortable silence as I spoke, then 2 people got up and walked away. Then 2 more. Then the remaining 4 simply walked off, nobody having said a single word in response to my comments.

Their silence spoke volumes. The West is still supine.

469 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:45:42pm

"Hamas' "political bureau"

Political bureau? The media shouldn't even print what these arseholes say, let alone give them legitimite diplomatic labels. The MSM has no shame.

470 Studsup  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:46:01pm

#466 [finishing] -- "This isn't merely a criminal matter and until the politicians begin to define the war and our enemy, "failures of intelligence" sounds too much like a studied effort to avoid the population as a whole from confronting an uncomfortable reality while conveniently placing blame in an impersonal intelligence bureaucracy. It doesn't even purport to acknowledge the truth, that our enemies have managed to stage a successful assault.

471 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:47:54pm
472 Colt  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:47:56pm

#454 CrimsonFisted

Who are they kidding with comments like that?

The usual idiots.

#455 Powderfinger

Can I put Hamas and chutzpah in the same sentence?

Tough not to, I'd say.

#457 Golden Jerusalem

I'm amazed they could actually say it and keep a straight face.

473 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:48:04pm

#467 Firebreather

I hope you still have a job at the end of the day. Telling the truth at my job would get my ass fired faster than bigel can say "nuke Europe"!

474 mapenguin  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:49:53pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier- been away from my pc. I kept hearing on news broadcasts that some people keep saying that these terrorist bombings were in direct retaliation for being in Iraq. Same with Spain. Heard some, hm, brilliant talking head saying that since Spain was bombed and then withdrew their troops, they haven't been attacked. This would mean that if the UK withdrew their troops, they would also be sitting pretty. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but- if I remember correctly, we were NOT in Iraq on 9-11. So, if these attacks are resulting from the war in Iraq... Also, Spain hasn't been attacked since withdrawing troops... and we haven't since putting troops in. I'm just sick of people making excuses.

475 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:52:27pm
These words need to be said on national TV... There is no terrorist threat.

-Michael Moore

476 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:55:41pm

"The 'Religion of Peace' is neither a religion, nor peaceful. Discuss."

/channeling michael myers on snl's "coffee talk"

477 mattm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:35pm

#475
Will mikey retract that statement now... If 9/11 didn;t prove there was a real terroist therat, Spain, London, USS Cole, etc. what will?

478 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:43pm

To the blame America first crowd, why was the USS Cole bombed? Why were the embassies bombed? These were committed before the Iraq war. Islam attacks infidel countries because it is in their book. You know the book they think so much of... the one we have to wear gloves to touch, because as kufr we are "filthy"...that book.

479 jlfintx  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:57:53pm

OT

Shall we have a little fun?
2 Questions:


Guess: number of comments today by 12 midnite PDT

Guess: Number of hits by 12 midnite.


My guesses; number of comments today 6450

My guess: number of hits 123,456

480 jlfintx  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:19pm

Btw Charles, what are the one day records?

481 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:58:34pm

476 blue_like_jazz

Agreed! It is a violent death cult.

482 eminencefront  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 1:59:20pm

You know, if some Muslim community members and groups went down to the area and started handing out aid or relief or SOMETHING, it would go a long way towards mending fences. Instead of hiding in your mosques, go out and SHOW people that you truly are not sympathizers.

Not holding my breath though.

Citizens of Britian, the people of Wisconsin stand with you in your time of grief.

483 Missouri Boy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:00:14pm

#467 Firebreather

Keep talking , keep preaching the word. It is what everyone of us know has to happen if we are to wake up America to what islam*spit* really is.

484 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:13pm

I'll abandon what the LLL considers my "intolerant view of Islam" when the followers of Islam quit killing, beheading, bombing, and destroying. Until then, however, the PC folk can eff off.

485 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:28pm

Well, it's way late over here.

To all the British LGFers, once again, my deepest sympathies. It's truly horrific and very sad what happened today.

I just hope that the British gov't will take the necessary steps to root out the 5th column.

I'm sure we'll soon learn that the people who did this were muslims residing in Britain.

The gloves must come off or this will repeat itself over and over.

Good night everybody.

486 mattm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:01:51pm

#478

Islam attacks infidel countries because it is in their book.

The leftists in America don't realize that if Bin Laden and the other terroists had their way, there would be no America where you can say how bad America is to the rest of the world. We would all be converted to Islam or dead.

487 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:02:16pm

#477 mattm

Will mikey retract that statement now... If 9/11 didn;t prove there was a real terroist therat, Spain, London, USS Cole, etc. what will?

When fat 'ol Mike wakes up to the news that his local Burger King and KFC have just been destroyed by car bombs.

488 dquickly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:02:48pm

Just one more reason to use nukes on all the Muslims. That religon needs to be eradicated period.
And if anyone else that feels political correctness is the answer... Send them one too.
I'm over this crap.
God bless the Brits. Mt prayers are with all who suffer.

489 jelo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:04:25pm

#474

I'm just sick of people making excuses.

You are right, there is no excuse. Just ask my father-in-law who grew up in the southern Philippines in the 20's and 30's (long before Bush and Blair were even born!). Back then the mu-slims were murdering infidels for ahhh? no reason just for enjoyment I guess, or 72 virgins?

Pure evil!

490 Elcid  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:04:34pm

My god damn cable has been off since early this morning...I am so pissed for not being able to follow this islamapsychopathic attack...and so heartily sorry that this occurred. Brits be brave...start by killing george galloway, then commence atrocities against islamics, as many as you can, as often as you can, in as many ways as you can.

Civilized? Hell no, BUT the only way we will be civilized again, is to be very, very uncivil, for a long while.

I don't care any longer, islam, must be smashed, how many of them are erased, matters not. Call me a genocidal, maniacal, loathsome want to be killer of islamics...and you would be correct.

491 hornet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:05:38pm

## 446 Golden...All mosques worldwide need to be searched (even the secret sub cellars) for arms, bombs, bombelts and the like. All sermons in Arabic MUST be taped. Any one declaring war (jihad) will be deported immediately. New laws must be ennacted specifically for Islam which has openly declared war on Western civilization for crimes against humanity. Any enabling of jihady murderous acts by LLL usefull idiots will be deported to Saudi Arabia. A new 11th commanament will be discovered...thou shalt not commit jihad. Enough is enough. nThere shall be no law protecting these jihady scums of the earth from deadly retaliation.

492 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:06:50pm

BTW

The talking heads on Fox seem to think our moslims are a lot tamer, more assimulated and the sheiks over here haven't been radicalized.
Are we talking about the same United States?
Have they not been informed of how many of the mosques have been taken over by wahhabists from saudi?
And ..get this...they talked about how much harder it is to get into this country! I nearly fell out of my chair!

493 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:07:12pm

It probably wasn't the brightest of ideas to attack London while Blair and Bush were together in a face-to-face meeting. I would love to have been a fly on the wall there while they chatted to each other.

494 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:01pm

mosque= armory

495 dquickly  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:08:53pm

Re: # 490 You are so right. When will we the majority realize we are the target. And demad justice?
Friggin Lib's caused this.

496 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:11:16pm

468 Firebreather, keep talking. Sooner or later everyone will know the truth...I dread the interim.

497 Missouri Boy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:07pm

#494 Carolyn

Exactly.. and I read somewhere that there are over 1500 mosque(ammo dumps) in America.
Time to start cleaning house.

498 jwm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:20pm

I posted this this morning, but I think it bears repeating for its strangeness. This morning on another message board I moderate, one of the members put up a post: "Explosions in London!"
The board has a google ad bar that features revolving ads that are of interest (more or less) to the topics under discussion (toy collecting, mostly). I glanced at the ad bar and noticed it read:
9/11: buy 9/11 items now on e-bay; the next two entries were for WTC/ground zero pictorials. The final entry was this:

[Link: stopthelie.com...]

Check the link at the risk of barfing on your shoes.
JWM

499 BBEV  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:12:50pm

I’ve been saying this for 25 years. The war between free people and Islam is coming . And on 9/11 it came home to America. Most of my family are moonbats and can still not see the problem. All they can see is the right here and now, not 5-10 or 20 years down the road. They all still live in Massachusetts. Not me. I’m ready . Lock and load.

500 DANEgerus  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:14:59pm

First suspect: Pic

"There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told." -- Michael Moore, October 2003

501 brinster  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:15:51pm

Looked at Charles' DU link and didn't make it past the first 10 posts. Of course, it's the usual "the chimp's fault" bs.

But...what I'd like to know is was it Bush's fault that got a 63 year old Thai man beheaded as he checked his rubber trees? Was it Bush's fault that blew up a train full of Hindus in India? Did the rop try to blow up the WTC in '93 because of "the chimp?" Did they hit the Cole and kill 17 sailors because of Bush? Did they kill the Israeli athletes in '72 because of Bush?

All this is, in their eyes, revenge for the Crusades. They won't stop until all of us non-muslims are either converted or dead. If you don't believe that, you do so at you own peril.

502 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:16:39pm

Here's tonight's "Nightline" preview:

Tonight on "Nightline," two counterterrorism specialists and a former Irish terrorist explore the motivation for these attacks and how to end the cycle of violence. David Ervine, leader of Northern Ireland's Progressive Unionist Party, spent five years in prison for driving a car that contained a bomb. He'll engage former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, who wrote two books warning about the threat of terrorism under the name "Anonymous," and Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar at the White House, an ABC News consultant.

Yes, let's "explore the motivation," from the point of view of a former terrorist, speaking on behalf of the pro-splodydope position! And Richard Clarke, who we all know is an unbiased expert!

Can you imagine this sh*t happening after Pearl Harbor? "Let's explore the Japanese motivation for today's sneak attack. After all, we can't hope to end the violence unless we understand their motivation."

/vomit

503 jlfintx  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:16:46pm

Can someone please copy my post at #479 and repost when an open thread is up?

I have to commute and I love the numbers.

God bless our brothers and sisters in the UK. Our DNA is close as it gets.

504 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:17:00pm

#489 jelo

My father grew up in the Phillipines during that time as well. He was a teenager during WWII.

He's of Russian decent, but grew up in the Phillipines (speaks three dialects) when the family fled Russia during the communist revolution.

His family became guerilla fighters against the Japanese and helped support the local U.S. forces. They're even mentioned in a now obscure book titled "They Fought Alone"

My Dad also has many stories about the "head-hunters" in Mindinao, so none of this savagery really suprises him.

505 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:18:27pm

Bernard Goldberg has a new book called 100 People who are Screwing Up America.

Michael Moore is number uno.

506 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:20:13pm

#502 religion of bacon

Tonight on "Nightline," two counterterrorism specialists and a former Irish terrorist explore the motivation for these attacks and how to end the cycle of violence.

Yeah, this is major vomit material.

The way to "end the cycle of the violence" is to let ourselves be slaughtered by our enemies until they're tired of slaughtering us. /LLL

There's no "cycle" this way - it's just an endless one-sided slaughter until we're all dead.

Like hell we will go that route.

507 religion of bacon  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:23:21pm

#506 rightasrain

The way to "end the cycle of the violence" is to let ourselves be slaughtered by our enemies until they're tired of slaughtering us. /LLL

Don't forget, we have to respect their religion as they're slaughtering us.

508 Rich  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:23:42pm

#408 JohninLondon

Can only go on Saturday, my wife's kids are with their dad that day, they will be back before noon Sunday.

In all honesty the cats will be cared for by the neighbour, she has the key right now. The kids will need a bit more attention.

One sight I'm really looking forward to is seeing George Galloway. I'm gonna do for that bastard.

509 Missouri Boy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:23:49pm

OT

Over the 4th, my moonbat brother-in-law from Maine was staying with us.. I played the song from Islamcomicbook.com.. WOW! he was foaming at the mouth. Good debate followed.

My wife said he probably would not talk to us again, .. but I said the purpose of debate is to win the other side over or to make them mad enough to study the subject, so as to prove you wrong...either way I win.

510 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:26:17pm

#507 religion of bacon

The way to "end the cycle of the violence" is to let ourselves be slaughtered by our enemies until they're tired of slaughtering us. /LLL

Don't forget, we have to respect their religion as they're slaughtering us.

Oh, of course.

We must 'value their differences' as our heads are being sliced off.

Grrr.

511 sandbox  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:27:25pm

For the 85th time, our laws have to be changed so that radical islamists can be deported. There is no reason why someone who believes in violent jihad and instituting sharia law should continue to live in the USA. Deportation is not the death penalty and it is not permanent iternment.

It is not our job in the non-Muslim world to take into our countries Islamic Fundamentalists who want to kill or convert us all with the hope that somehow, through exposure to our education or political system, they will change.

This is real homeland security.

512 hornet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:28:35pm

ROPMA! The usefull idiot LLL MSM moonbats, and the insane DU inmates are in bed with Islam because of their hate for GWB. The LLL 5th column should be charged with enabling and abetting jihad, and with treason every time they open their mouths. Without their help, Islamic jihad terrorism could be delt a DRESDEN blow as it sould be. When Western civilization refuses to identify Islam as the problem, the mortal enemy, we are truly lost.

513 transferthem  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:29:03pm

As an ex Londoner, I know the places where this savagery occurred. I have family who were at the stations only just before the blasts occurred.

And yet it is ironic that what happened in London has been happening in Israel for years (decades, actually). And the world ignored the Israeli model upon which these bacteria have built their new atrocities. Every time a bus bomber in Jerusalem was described by the MSM as a 'militant', a deposit was made in the bank of terror that was to be unleashed on other democracies.

I sympathise greatly with those hurt in London. They are vicitims of their own gutless media and inefective leadership.

We are at war, but no-one will call it a war on our true enemy. The war on terror doesn't exist. Islam has declared war on us and islam is the enemy. To win, western democracies must purge themseelves of islam as post war germany was purged of islam's closest cousin, nazism.

514 superninja  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:30:01pm

I cannot listen to the moonbats anymore today.

To think that their response to outright murder of innocents is to blame everyone but the perpetrators.

The left hates justice.

515 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:32:24pm

Jeff in London wrote of a Brit reporter:

On TV he talked of the calm that descended over the everyone, as if people just put their shoulders back and find another way to go about their business.

The spirit that endured the Blitz lives on, I see.

My deepest sympathies to our allies across the pond. My heart and prayers are with you.

516 jwm  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:32:49pm

Hugh Hewitt has posted transcripts of an Air America broadcast featuing Al Franken interviewing Pat Oliphant. Of course this whole thing is the fault of this administration.

Did you doubt for a minute that the neocons are at fault?
/leftoid

JWM

517 hornet  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:34:50pm

The LLL are insane, usefull idiots for the spread of Islam worldwide.

518 jelo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:35:55pm

#504 oh_dude

My father-in-law was as well a guerilla fighter during WWII, although by this time had moved north to Batangas.
The Muslims were (are) such savages in the south, even the Japanese could not control the area...imagine that?

519 Missouri Boy  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:37:33pm

#513 transferthem

well said! ...the Disease is Islam*spit*

ROPMA!

520 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:39:18pm

504 oh_dude

Amazing... your Dad and your family ... just amazing...

521 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:41:31pm

518 jelo & 514 oh_dude

Incredible that you two had fathers who fought in that area of the world.. as guerrilla fighters.

You guys have tough fathers!

522 Bubble Girl  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:42:34pm

518 jelo

pimf

Father-in-law... still, I am amazed. What incredible men.

523 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 2:42:43pm

colt: I thought of you the second I heard of the explosions. I am very happy you are safe and well and I hope all your friends and relatives are too.

And that goes for JohninLondon and all the other Brits who post here as well.

524 jelo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:00:05pm

#522 Bubbles

He has since past away. But I had spent many dinners listening to his experiences of the war and during his youth in Zamboanga.

During the 80's he was warning us of the muslims...the people he mistrusted most! He would be incredibly disheartened to hear that his former home town of Batangas is now being infiltrated by them.

525 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:01:23pm

hav ing abig arguement with my friend in Turkey about all of this...sigh, don't think we'll be friends much longer.

526 Swan  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:01:36pm

I do believe we've chosen the perfect time to get the gun permit and the gun. I will take great pleasure in learning how to shoot that weapon.

And even greater pleasure in blowing out the brains of anyone who threatens me or mine.

And if that's being barbaric-so. . .be. . .it.

527 torog  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:34:14pm

London Calling

If you are free, this is your fight. If you are a slave, this is your fight. If you are Atheist, Christian, Hindu, Baha'i, Buddhist or any of the myriad of religions that do not call for the physical death of nonbelievers, this is your fight. If you like to smile, dance, tell jokes, have a drink, go to the beach in your new bikini, voice your opinions through music, art or just spoken word, this is your fight.
The murderers in London are not trying to change government policies towards Israel or Palestine. They want your fear; they want your acquiescence to ever increasing demands until ultimately there are no more demands and you are plowed under the tide
of their hateful ideology that so many in the west are afraid to name; Islam. We in the west must embrace our freedom, so hard won and ask the hard questions of those that
claim Islam is peaceful simply because it hides under the guise of a religion. If we fail to confront those that blatantly inform us that they wish us dead because we are unbelievers we do so at our own peril. In no place on earth where Islam has a significant presence is there not some type of violence or discrimination against non-muslims; in the Sudan, slavery and genocide, in Saudi Arabia all religions except Islam are forbidden, in Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon and other countries with Muslim majorities there is persecution and violence against non-muslims.
The west must stand. We must demand that respect for the rule of law and human rights override the demands of ones religious beliefs. We were not afraid to confront religious dogma when it infringed on our lives from Christianity, why then do we cringe in the face of a religion that has even less redeeming qualities. Stand! Demand your freedoms or resign your children to live in a dark age where blasphemy is once again law. This fight is for humanity and we must not lose.

528 Oldprof  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 3:57:47pm

I went to school today and the whorish admin had "BARE ARMS" I could hardly control my emotions and Found that I had to drop down on my knes and pray to Whats' his name to get control.

Can you imagine that?

529 Roger  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:10:18pm

#413 Al Charabiya, maybe you are upside down. It has been taken down now. But good grief. Reference frames are not many peoples' strong suite.

530 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:17:30pm

Here in NYC, there were cops with helmets and machine guns in the subway. Nice.

Coming home this afternoon, I saw a young Arab fucktard (mid-20s) and his blonde, blue-eyed American girlfriend get off the train at Astor Place. He was ecstatic, bouncing along, crowing about the massacre in London.

As the train pulled out of the station, this fucktard swatted the windows of the train with a rolled-up paper, trying to startle the tense passengers (ridership was about 1/3 less than usual at rush hour). His girlfriend flinched, but didn't call him out.

When we reached the street, this Arab shitheel started making bomb noises, and laughing when passing Americans looked askance at him. No one confronted the creep, who was about 6'2".

They really must think we're a bunch of castrati.

531 bananaRepublican  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:23:43pm

#530

You should have busted a cap in his a$$.

/don't look for a sarc tag

532 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:29:38pm

Lady of Shalott (ylreveb): I wonder what happened to all those stereotypically tough, loud, ballsy New Yorkers with Brooklyn accents who didn't take no sh*t from anybody.

533 Oldprof  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:34:13pm

MISS DONNA - We moved to Denver - Sen the A-hole here!

534 florya  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:36:03pm

They set off bombs.
We ask why?
Questions make them angry.
(repeat)

RIP

535 Renna  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:43:04pm

#501 brinster

All this is, in their eyes, revenge for the Crusades.

You are still giving them too much credit.

They were killing and trying to enslave the world from day one, long before the Crusades, which were actually in response to their actions, not vice versa.

536 quark2  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:43:08pm

@409 JohnInLondon

I am taking my eldest granddaughter. And in the morning in will take her to the Churchill Museum and his underground Cabinet War Rooms.

Been there as a kid. :)
Been to Blenheim too.
What a great leader for the Brits in his day.
Y'all could use one now!

537 scorched earth 138  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:43:54pm

"When we reached the street, this Arab shitheel started making bomb noises, and laughing when passing Americans looked askance at him. No one confronted the creep, who was about 6'2"."
Try that shit in rural South West Michigan, jihadiot...

538 selpaw  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 4:57:49pm

#471 ploome hineni

Beautiful. Very inspiring. Incredibly true. Matter of fact I read your post at the same time I heard a fantastic rant from Michael Savage. (he is crazy but most of the time dishes truth like no one else) Now I am listening to Yossef Bodansky. Wow is he good. Time has come to take off the gloves and stop thinking we need to be more sensitive to diabolical terrorists.

As I wrote on another thread:

I hope restraint is used in retaliation of those monsters who were responsible. I think we should offer them a state, legitimization and billions of dollars. Just like "palestinian mothers dream of peace for their children" so do the terrorists who struck the heart of London/

perhaps we should create a road-map to peace with the Islamic world. In in our fight for our very lives we should certainly exercise the utmost restraint as not to prejudice the final outcome. After all, we are dealing with the RoP. (except for the 'few' who want to hijack it)

enough.

Colt...hi. Good to see you are ok!

539 Tinker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:02:38pm

#525 Pamela

Sorry to hear about your issue with your Turkish friend. But don't lose hope on re-connecting.

A couple days after 9/11, I got a call from a good friend in Switzerland. A knee-jerk liberal artiste. She started to talk about why the jihadis felt the need to attack America. I went postal, telling her we were going to invade Afghanistan first, then Iraq, Syria and Iran in that order. And that we were going to kill a slew of these bastards.

It took her a year to get over my tirade. She'd only talk to my wife, who is a naturalized former Swiss citizen from her home town. But now she talks to me. Just not about politics.

The Turks are facing tough times on many levels. Since Ataturk, they've tried to secularize, at a time of Islamist resurgence. The EU referendum smack-down has killed their chances for inclusion when they had done everything the EU wanted of them. Even their refusal to allow our troops to cross their territory for our Iraq expedition didn't count for anything with the Europeans. And now, the Euros actually fear open borders with Turkey. The Turks are now the Untouchables of Europe.

Hang in there for a while. Hope friendship bridges frustration.

540 Tinker  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:10:36pm

#530 Lady of Shalot

On the day after 9/11, I read a story about someone at a company where many Muslims were employed that after 9/11, he observed the Muslims began carrying Korans around at work and acted very smug. I'm sure that that posted story worked against the pro-jihadis. I'm just as sure that your anecdote will accomplish the same.

You experienced a classic case of "what if I had this perfect retort...". Yeah, we've all been there. But now, if we see the same crap, thanks to you we're mentally geared to get past our initial confusion and to verbally bitch-slap the SOB upside the head and make him run for cover.

Thank you for the post.

541 Expat Canuck  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:10:43pm

I had always been a peaceful, non-confrontational man. But not since the first WTC attack. I just want all these jihadi fuckers dead. ALL OF THEM. NOW!

542 TMF  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:17:32pm

Wretchard, as always, making alot of sense.

The Al Qaeda have characterized the attack on London as 'punishment' for Britain's temerity to resist the inevitability of Islam. It is the kind of punishment these self-ordained masters of the universe are accustomed to meting out against harem women and insolent slaves. A few administered licks, and no doubt the cowardly kuffar will crawl back to his place. The tragedy is that Al Qaeda's perception is perfectly correct when applied to the Left, for whom no position is too supine, no degradation too shameful to endure; but incorrect for the vast majority of humans, in whom the instinct for self-preservation has not yet been extinguished. It will result in history's greatest case of mistaken identity; the mismatch that should never have happened. The enemy is even now dying at our feet, where we should kick him and kick him again.
543 StarsandStripes  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:24:46pm

Islam is evil. It's time to call Islam what it is and stop dancing around the truth. Islamic terrorism comes straight from murderer/pedophile Muhammad and the Quran.

It's time to declare Islam a terrorist ideology and outlaw it once and for all.

544 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:25:41pm

Yah yah yah I know muslims are kind and good and militant islam is bad. But the militants use the kind and good muslims as part of their delivery system of terror. Islam is a religion of ignorance and all that ignorance breeds. Trying to justify these scoundrels by pointing out defects in Christianity is a pointless proposition. It's like arguing with someone who wants to hack your head off. If you bend over far enough to kiss his ass, he will hack your head off as allah commanded him. Then we hope all your liberal friends applaud the polticial correctness of the chopping and line up to take their turn. If that is the case then the law of man and power should rule. Whoever is strongest should survive.

545 Martel-Sobieski  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:34:09pm

#231 Ibn Guru

That is the SANEST post I have seen in this entire thread.

My existence is now validated in that there are others who think/feel as I do.

Thank You Lord Father Jesus that not everyone in this society is a brain-dead, TV-addled moron. That some of us still remember our history ans feel compelled to defend our civilization.

Death to Islam

Nuke Mecca and Medina

546 Edward  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 5:50:18pm

Just a thought: might the bomb on the 'bus have been a case of premature detonation - an accident, or perhaps the carrier was running late with a timed bomb intended for another station - perhaps Euston?

547 Athos  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:00:54pm

#546 Edward

I don't think so. I think it was timed to take advantage of the previous bombs in the tube, and the new crush of riders getting on busses as an alternative to the tube.

It's a standard ambush tactic - anticipate where the victims jump / move to - and have something for them there.

The terrorists have been doing this for a while in Iraq - one bomb to start it off and another timed to get the 1st responders. It takes planning and coordination.

This was in the works for some time.

548 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:04:24pm

#539 Tinker

thank-you Tinker. I have many friends in Turkey almost as many as I have here. I spent most of 2001 all over Turkey. I came home just a couple weeks before 9-11.

I think this friend will come around, he loves me allot as if I was his sister. I pointed out a few things and he agreed with most of them.
He still ses USA asa nation that seels wepaons and uses too much oil.

I tell him if USA goes down you can bet so will many other nations.

549 jlfintx  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:08:50pm

How have you been Pamela? Is your situation any better?

550 Pamela  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:14:22pm

#549 jlfintx

HI, well hubby had his knee surgery and now is mid way through his physcial therapy. We had a bad fight about 10 days ago, and almost split up, but we're ok for now. Next friday I have my foot surgery.


Not a very good summer for us, but the folks in London are not having a good summer now either.

Hows you?

551 Stop Hillary  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:17:40pm

#530 -- "Coming home this afternoon, I saw a young Arab fucktard (mid-20s) and his blonde, blue-eyed American girlfriend get off the train at Astor Place. He was ecstatic, bouncing along, crowing about the massacre in London."

Feature his blonde blue-eyed girlfriend in a full length burka. That's where she's headed. Then, of course, should they have children, he'll kidnap them and bring them to some Islamic hellhole and will never be heard from again. Been known to happen.

In NYC it's not uncommon for people to behave like jerks on the subway and the most common reaction is that folks ignore them unless the jerks start to make it personal.

Notice that this coward waited until he was outside the subway to start his crap up.

552 Joseph  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:32:08pm

Let's face it gang:
If 9-11 and then Beslan didn't wake people up, nothing will.

553 biff  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:34:41pm

When the Brits get pissed off, they like to do things on their own. This should be interesting. Also, don't be suprised if blue-collar Brits take things into their own hands, too. This is Britains chance to show there is still some fight left in Britania (the last was in the Falklands). I hope W just steps aside, and let's them have there way.

554 Joseph  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:38:00pm

I saw five Moslem women strolling down 34th St. It's one thing to see one or two, but five walking abreast? Felt like puking.

555 benyak  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:39:07pm

While our elected leaders sit in comfort in a resort in Scotland pontificating about the threat of global warming, a war is being fought in the streets of our cities.

How many attacks will we tolerate before the western world finally faces up to the real threat to our survival: Islamic fascism? How can we successfully fight a war when we allow our leaders to become so distracted by the liberal agenda we are unable to acknowledge and aggressively pursue our true enemy?

Have we become so hypnotized by the siren songs of Bob Geldof and Bono, that we were are destined to sit idly by as the Islamofascists make their plans to nuke our cities and destroy our civilization?

556 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:43:55pm

I wish Britain would DOUBLE their troop levels in Iraq because of this. Show the f-ing terrorists that the more savage they get, the FURTHER they get from their goals. Unlike Spain who appeased them and showed them that terror works. Idiot Spaniards.

557 biff  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:45:42pm

How about they invade North Africa from Gibraltor.

558 oh_dude  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:46:19pm

#521 Bubble Girl

Thanx for the kind words:-) He's quite a guy. Came to the U.S. with nothing and is now living the American dream (cooler full of beer and a fly fishing rod). He and my mother, who is Filipino have so many stories of being terrorized by the Japanese. Both are staunch conservatives. Go figure.

#518 jelo

I've heard Brad Pitt (of all people) is working on a movie based on the They Fought Alone book I mentioned earlier. I don't have any links, but if you Google on the title you can find some info. Colonel Fertig led the guerillas as they fought to kick the Japanese out of the Phillipines.

559 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:52:57pm

552- Joseph

If 9-11 and then Beslan didn't wake people up, nothing will.

I am afraid you are right, Joseph. I cannot believe that Russia didn't kick some serious Muslim ass after that horrific attack on their little children. The pussification of men all over the world is complete. Whatever testosterone has been lost in the "civlized" world, has been gained by the barbarians of the Middle East.

560 biff  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 6:57:07pm

Gibraltar was captured by British from Spain in 1704, and held through several major sieges. It became a Colony in 1830. Britain has consistently rejected Spanish claims to the strategic territory.

F the Spanish, Morocco and Algeria, too.

561 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:16:49pm

Update from London: the morning after.

Latest news is that upwards of 40 people have been killed, and hundreds injured. Most public travel services are back to normal or getting there. The police, the fire brigade, the ambulance services and the hospitals all had well-rehearsed plans for dealing with emergencies like this. The general mood is business-as-usual, but most of us are bloody angry.

As for me, what I find particularly annoying is this. We're the people who stood alone against Hitler. This country was, within living memory, bombed night after night by the Luftwaffe, and hit by V1's and V2's and we didn't quit. And now these [bigoted word]s think that a dozen Semtex parcels will make us kneel and kiss the ground beneath Mohammed's foot. Not a chance, Abdul. You thought the Israelis would be an easy target and you lost, you pushed your luck with the Yanks and you lost, now you're starting with us and the next knock at your door just might be the SAS.

562 rightasrain  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 10:23:27pm

#561 Loch Inkopf

The general mood is business-as-usual, but most of us are bloody angry.

As you have absolutely every right to be.

As for me, what I find particularly annoying is this. We're the people who stood alone against Hitler. This country was, within living memory, bombed night after night by the Luftwaffe, and hit by V1's and V2's and we didn't quit. And now these Arabs think that a dozen Semtex parcels will make us kneel and kiss the ground beneath Mohammed's foot. Not a chance, Abdul. You thought the Israelis would be an easy target and you lost, you pushed your luck with the Yanks and you lost, now you're starting with us and the next knock at your door just might be the SAS.

You're right - you did stand up to Hitler alone.

These barbarians come from cultures that were allied with Hitler.

Kick them from here to Mars.

My condolences for everything you're going through right now, but I do believe that the bastards who hit you will seriously regret it.

563 gonzo  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:29:09pm

We need to ignore those who preach our self-destruction through appeasement. Savage as their attacks may be, the hell we can unleash upon our enemies will make the attacks of today seem silly in comparison. It is time to realise that we cannot reason with these animals.

Throughout the past fifty-odd years we have tried bribing them, buying their petty dictators' arms, outright financial gifts in the form of aid, and realpolitik. Nothing works to assuage these miserable people. It is time to marginalize them through the elimination of their leadership and spokespeople, as well as those who enable their message of hate to get out. This includes not only the Imam and his ilk, but the spokesman who pops up to spew their vile propaganda, the news reporter who hides behind his title and pushes an agenda of hate by treating the message as newsworthy, the leaders of the schools churning out the hatred, the leaders of the governments who play semantics with the condemnation of these horrors while winking at the camera, the blustering arab on the street who spews his vileness while demanding the rights so treasured by western societies. All of these and more need to be shown the door to paradise. As long as we allow them to continue to have air time, the foolish arabs and Muslims continue to allow these murders to continue.

This has all probably been posted above, but I haven't had the time to go through the thread. However, regardless of that, the time for talk is done. It is time to act against these monsters without mercy, showing them just how mighty and terrible we can be in our resolve to destroy our enemies.

And for those who say this is a result of our actions in Iraq, bone up on your history. This crap has been happening since long before this administration, and I would ask how this administration's policies directly led to the terror attack of September 11. Appeasement and isolationism will only delay the day we have to handle business in this country, and the fools in the liberal cess pools will be long gone, leaving the mess in the hands of a future generation- hopefully one with more backbone and a stronger moral compass than their forebearers.

Finally, it saddens me to no end to realize I was wrong in my assessment of my fellow men and women. The practitioners of Islam are liars and deceivers. Where is the outrage, the outpouring of grief and the helping hands? Where are those who speak of Islamic moderation? They are nowhere, because they don't exist. And those who cry their crocodile tears and play word games with their condemnations are no different than the enemy- be they arab or not; muslim or not; or whichever. In this Bush was clearly right: people must choose a side.

I wish I were more eloquent, then I could persuade people of the stark realities facing us.

564 Nahanni  Thu, Jul 7, 2005 11:56:35pm

And this is why they did it-Amir Taheri

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Moments after yesterday’s attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want? That reminded me of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker, who was shot by an Islamist assassin on his way to work in Amsterdam last November. According to witnesses, Van Gogh begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.”
Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was reacting like BBC reporters did yesterday, assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere.
But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you

Read the whole thing.

565 AW  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 12:05:11am

So, does Cherie Blair "understand" the people who did this?


Or is that sort of "undestanding" reserved for murderers of Jews only?

566 jlfintx  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 2:18:15am

#550 Pamela

You are in my thoughts. I is doin well, I suppose.

567 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 2:29:11am

No. 563 Gonzo - I will bemore eloquent for you:

We need to nuke the black rock.

Humanity cannot go into any future worth having as long as anyone still self-defines himself as a muslim.

They say: "we worship death".

Jews and Christains say: "To Life!" and "Therefore chose Life."

islam must go.

It will go.

568 Baldy  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 4:14:56am

The thing I always forget, is when the media (or whomever) talks of injured, there are probably many with horrible injuries, lost limbs, eyes etc. Somehow, the word "injured," never seems descriptive enough for the degrees of suffering.

569 Baldy  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 4:31:37am

Oh, and people who blame the Iraq war, and President Bush (ultimately) for this: Do you remember the 1980's? I remember them, and there was much bloodshed committed by Islamic terrorists. I remember seeing pictures of airports in Europe, which had many dead lying on the floor. Then, the issue was the "Palestinians." It doesn't matter what we do. If we attack, the attack back, but hit civilians ON PURPOSE, France bans handscarves, they attack, if the US is in Lebanon, they attack, if the US & the UK attacks Afghanistan, they attack. If Austrians go to an airport, they attack. If Israelis get on a bus, they attack. If Africans go to work in a US Embassy, they attack. If Americans, Thais, Israelis, Indians, Australians, Spaniards, Austrians, Germans, Russians, French go to work/worship/nightclubs/schools: THEY ATTACK, and kill innocents. The reasons may change, but the perpetrators are the same.

570 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 4:32:49am

And then: Why would we foist yet another of these cultures on ISRAEL? How come?

Why would we reward this behavior by creating a Palestinian State?

Wait a min..its going to be a Democratic State living in Peace Side by Side with Israel. Ahhh...Democratic,well, not exactly but..Peace..what is the definition of that? Well...not exactly the definition of Peace we all accept now.

You know I'm sick of this crap.

Its TERRORISM by Terrorists in NYC.
And its TERRORISM by Terrorists in London.
And its..ooo..something less than Terrorism, by MILITANTS in Israel.


Got it.

571 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 4:38:12am

Anyone that supports a murderous, terrorist, Palestinian State funded and armed and supported isn't Pro Israel. It is setting up Jews for Extinction down the line. Thats all there is to it.

Its not like people dont know what is bound to happen with "these people" plopped down next to Israel.

Yesterday and MORE is what is bound to happen after we give these people their own State.

Who is kidding who here?

For Jews it time to ask ..whats going on here?

572 selpaw  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 4:46:34am

Vickie.

Imagine on the day after that horrific terror attack on London it was decided to give the palestinians

***THREE BILLION DOLLARS***

No wonder as each day passess there is more and more hate for Israel and more and more sympathy for the terrorists who slaughter Jews.

If this does not tell you that the WAR ON TERROR does not apply to the State of Israel...NOTHING DOES.

This is a world of complete immoral bankruptcy! And truly, I have lost faith in it. If Tony Blair and the rest of them think for one moment sacrificing Israel will calm the street not one lesson has been learned. With that the worse lesson is yet to come.

573 RepJ  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:30:01am

Time to take out the radical muslim clerics.

574 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:37:53am

Selpaw: Time at least our group faces the truth here and not allow people to think they conned us. (slow but steady creation of a Palestinian State) Any Palestinian State for any phony reason, described in any way, is a up and coming death sentence for Jews and the completion of the Holocaust. It will affect Jews everywhere.

I think Jews need to be armed and not just in Israel either.

If you support a Palestinian State proposed by anyone...you aren't any kind of supporter of Israel. Its just a bunch of bull.

Enough is enough already!

We will, you and I, say this WHEREVER we can. WHY? CAUSE ITS TRUE.

575 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:43:56am

Rep and All: NO ONE is gonna Nuke anyone or Take Out All Muslim Extremist Clerics. Thats THAT.

Only a few for publicity sake. Thats all. Make a stab and pretending you are "handling" the problem.

Doesnt matter WHAT they do. Havent you got that YET?

576 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:45:51am

Continued: Heres the pattern. Pattern of about 25 years. The MORE they do, the UGLIER it is, the MORE they get their way..Course not right away..but a few years down the line. AND if ya talk about it, YOU, are the Racist, YOU are the Islamophobe. This is EXACTLY what happens.

577 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:50:23am

Selpaw: Lets see if the THREE BILLION to the Pals is "held up" or comes to them in ANOTHER WAY, under the Radar, or is STOPPED. Huh? Lets see.

And ...did I get this sort of right? Hamas ..ISNT SO BAD, NOT ALL BAD, Can be REFORMED? Are we inching up with them like we did the PLO? HUM?Slowly but surely.

I'm pretty sure what the "line" is going to be or one of the "lines"

SORRY..WE TRIED.

Lotta good that will do the fraction of us that will be left.

578 selpaw  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 5:53:16am

Vickie. Yes, we will continue to say it.

From IMRA: Sec'y Rice on BBC: Terrorists must be defeated [except Palestinian terrorists?]

SECRETARY RICE: ... This is a worldwide war against ideals. If that is indeed what has happened, if that is indeed who's behind this, we just have
to remember there's no separate peace to be made with terrorists[IMRA:
except Palestinian terrorists - they can be put on the payroll of the
security forces] The terrorists are after our way of life and we have to
defeat them [IMRA: Except Palestinian terrorists - they have to be co-opted
into the parliament]. There is no other way to deal with them than through
strength [IMRA: Except Palestinian terrorists: they have to be won over with
concessions and operations against them should be restricted out of concern
for the "process"].

... But in the longer run, our goal has to be to replace this ideology of
hopelessness and hatred in the Middle East with freedom and liberty, which
when people are living in freedom and liberty, they don't want to send their
children off to be suicide bombers [IMRA: But if the Palestinian leadership
praises their "martyr" suicide bombers...] .

Like I said, in the War On Terror, Israel is not included. Our leaders and the so-called leaders of the world have made that perfectly clear.
(except for our technology and intelligence which of course is not talked about as not to rile the 'street.' )

579 niallster  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 6:00:57am

Final death toll will be 50+ they've just about stopped pulling bodies out of the tube train and are now trying to make up the pieces and make whole persons. Horrific does not describe it.

Meanwhile the Moonbats are doing the PC quick step.

Shami Chakrabarti, head of Liberty (UK Moonbat society for protecting killers) has demanded that the police NOT be allowed to profile. She literally wants the police to stop and question an equal number of say drunk white blonde party girls on a night out as young muslims preaching hatred and jihad outside the Luton Arndale centre on a Saturday afternoon.

More blood must be spilt before this PC beast dies I am afraid.

580 Pelayo  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 6:42:53am

#578 Selpaw

I think that Bush has made it quite clear that all terrorism must be struggled against including that against Israel. On May 18th, 2004 he said that:

"Not all terrorists answer to the same orders an same leaders, but all terrorists burn with the same hatred. They hate all who reject their grim vision of tyranny...the enemy has left blood on the streets of Jakarta and Jerusalem, Casablanca and Riyadh,Mombasa and Istanbul, Baghdad and Madrid. They have declared war on the civilized world-and war is what they got...the United States is strongly committed, and I am strongly commited to the security of Israel as a vibrant Jewish state. Israel is a democracy and a friend, and has every right to defend itself from terror."
(cf. [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]


Being hypothetically in favor of a Palestinian state provided that the Palestinians end their support for terrorism and incitement is not equivalent to being anti-Israel. If the Palestinians were willing to live side by side with Israel in peace, there would be nothing unjust about giving them statehood.

The problem of course is that up to now they have shown no such willingness.

581 Vickie  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 7:18:38am

Palestinians ain't gonna end anything in the Terrorist Rhelm. Least Jews have to pay attention to the Phony Baloney crap, that the Pals will Reform. We know its a LIE. The West is complicit in selling and financing this LIE.

Is a "Fight against Terrorism" alright..just that the Pals AREN'T Terrorist, they have a REASON, there is a ROOT CAUSE, and on the OTHER SIDE, their State Will be Peaceful and Democratic..and all that cover your ass, after Millions of Jews are DEAD, NONSESNSE.

As like before, the murder of Jews is always something else, to be qualified and defined as something else.

Don't think most Jews don't know whats going on. We ain't stupid.

582 rightasrain  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 7:34:22am

#581 Vickie

As like before, the murder of Jews is always something else, to be qualified and defined as something else.

Don't think most Jews don't know whats going on. We ain't stupid.

Vickie, this isn't DU. There are a tremendous number of right wing Jews here who speak of this every single day.

Please correct the name for your bookmark.

This is Little Green Footballs.

583 rightasrain  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 7:46:50am

#574 Vickie

I think Jews need to be armed and not just in Israel either.

Roughly 3/4ths of American Jews are liberals.

They're too busy trying to implement gun control to take up arms.

Right wing Jews who are (or will be) armed do NOT tend to see America as the enemy.

If we're armed (or will become armed) - it will be to fight the real enemy instead (in which case we'll be standing alongside a huge number of other Americans who are determined to protect America.)

America and Israel are spiritually connected.

The Jewish people have bonded with America in a way completely unprecedented for Jews and a non-Jewish nation.

This bond will hold.

584 rightasrain  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 7:50:36am

Vickie, you're not some Jewish Imam who can incite Jews all over the world to violence.

We are supposed to fight evil, but not in the same wildly chaotic way that our enemies perpetrate evil.

We have a different path.

If Jews destroy Hamas, etc. (and I hope this happens as soon as possible) - it will happen with a real army from a civilized nation.

585 Pelayo  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 9:02:02am

The idea that America is anti-Israel or anti-Jewish is as absurd as the idea that Ariel Sharon is a traitor.

The US though having one of the most religiously Christian populations, has permitted religious freedom since its foundation, and Jews have been citizens with the same legal rights and freedoms of other citizens. Since George Washington wrote to the Jews of Newport, in America we give "to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no support"(cf. [Link: www.loc.gov...]
the US has proclaimed itself a safehaven to Jews and indeed to all who wish to worship freely according to their conscience. The US is explicitly based on Judeo-Christian values.

The US has also consistently defended Israel in international forums, and generously provided billions of dollars for its economic and military support.

While obviously there are bad apples in America as in all nations, the idea that as a country the US is hostile to Israel seems patently absurd to me.

586 Cindy  Fri, Jul 8, 2005 1:28:19pm

Wake Up, London Calling
[Link: brain-terminal.com...]
By Evan Coyne Maloney
Brain-Terminal.com
July 8, 2005


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