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Sat, Jul 9, 2005 at 8:16:11 am PDT

Chris Bowers at MyDD attacks LGF readers today, for verbally expressing their anger at the mass murder in London: Why Right Wing Blogs Don’t Allow Comments.

This is a great example of how far the left has devolved; London suffers the worst terrorist attack in her history, with more than 50 dead and as many as a thousand injured, and people like Chris Bowers are just horrified that anyone would react to such an atrocity with rage.

In other words, react like human beings.

For Bowers, there’s apparently no difference between spouting off on a comment system and actually committing genocide. And if you dare to imply that Britain may have a problem with immigration from Islamic countries, the day after a bloody demonstration of that fact, why, you’re an evil racist!

Shine that light all you want, Chris. Anyone who bothers to actually follow your link will also find a vast majority of thoughtful and well-reasoned comments, of course; on the day you cherry-picked your 10 statements, there were almost 5,000 comments posted here.

UPDATE at 7/9/05 8:38:45 am:

Not to mention the bald-faced hypocrisy of launching such an attack the day after MyDD partner Daily Kos carried out an imperial purge of lunatics from his site.

UPDATE at 7/9/05 8:47:12 am:

Up above, I wrote:

Anyone who bothers to actually follow your link...

...before I noticed that Chris Bowers didn’t even link to LGF. Nothing like that good old left-wing one-sided dialog. Possible reasons for not linking include: 1) doesn’t want to give LGF the traffic, 2) is afraid I’ll notice the link in our referrers, 3) doesn’t want people to learn the terrible secret of LFG.

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1 Spiritualized  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:19:33am

They're angry at us, and not the Islamic terrorists who committed this latest atrocity.

That says it all.

2 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:20:00am
Why Right Wing Blogs Don’t Allow Comments.

And I'm not typing this.

3 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:21:07am

what a maroon.

the people who CRITICIZE the terrorists are evil, not the terrorists themselves. they're just repressed and have no other way to fight with the chimpyhalliburtonrove machine.

/ sarcy

4 CCR  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:21:09am

He couldn't even find ten quotes that actually endorse genocide. Out of over 5000? He needs to organise some trolls to make outrageous comments so he can quote them if he wants real meat.

5 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:21:46am

Bowers has his agenda, and the murderers of the innocent have theirs; why shouldn't reasonable and caring people(lizards) have theirs? Perhaps Bowers didn't see this piece in the London press.

[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk...]

6 aRedPhishHead  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:22:20am

Sorry, libs. Reality and cold hard truth are not for the faint hearted. LGf knows this.

If you want pussyfooting, handwringing and therapy, go to Daily Kos, MyDD or some such place and whine all you want.

7 ajackson  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:23:09am

Yeah, the wacko conspiracy theories coming out of the left wing blogs have been just so darned insightful.

8 Ben B  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:23:28am

And the vast Muslim immigration into the UK was carried out without the slightest democratic mandate.

9 tankdemon  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:24:19am

I saw the list of comments he gathered, and some of them might be over the top, though they are generally reasonable.

I am sure that we could gather a similar list of outrageous comments from Kos and DU several times a day.

While this is and will always remain Charles' Blog, LGF would not be anywhere near as successful without the input of many of the posters, and if the price of being able to read comments from Golden Jerusalem, reaganite, loppyd, Bubble Girl, swampwoman many others means having to scan or scroll through ideas I disagree with or disapprove of, I am more than willing to pay it.

10 Marine Mom  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:25:49am

The people at that site are completely delusional. Demented. Deranged.

11 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:26:27am

"You wouldn't find comments like these on left wing blogs."

Joseph Fucking Goebbels come to life. This comes the very day that Markos Zuniga has launched a massive purge of nutcake posters on his blog.

Perhaps he means the specific content rather than the degree of invective. This is reasonable, since there is no anger at terrorists to be expressed, let alone exaggerated.

12 foreign devil  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:26:41am

Counterterrorism blog has an interview Steve Emerson did with MSNBC:

[Link: counterterror.typepad.com...]

"...Increasingly it's looking as a British intelligence official told me this morning not more than an hour ago, that he used the term, ‘Our North African boys’, meaning some of the North African type of militant Muslim groups and individuals who were responsible for the Spanish attacks in 2003 that have a very striking similarity to the attacks that were carried out this morning in London...There is an interconnected network of Algerians, of Moroccans, of Saudis operating throughout Europe and it certainly coincides with the opening of the trial of Abu Hamza al-Masri who is a radical Islamic cleric in London whose is charged with incitement has been indicted in the United States on charges of trying to set up a jihad training camp in Oregon...The simultaneous nature of the bombings and the potential there was a suicide bomber suggests very strongly that was some type of Al-Qaeda offshoot of known radical Islamic groups or unknown groups, individuals at least, plotting this for a long time."

CBC reporting right now in an interview from London with Massoud Somebody that there has been a firebombing of a mosque. First I've heard of it. He also stated a Sikh temple was firebombed in the mistaken belief it was Muslim.

13 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:29:26am

Islamic fundamentalists blow up innocents in London, and according to leftists, we are not supposed to express any anger, emotion or outrage.

According to leftists, we are supposed to learn to understand why they hate us; In the same way we should learn to understand why leftists are so filled with hate, rage and conspiracy theories. Sure, maybe some comments are a bit over the top, but they are nothing compared to the hate that pours for the left.

At least the anger LGF posters express IS directed at THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS of the bombings and murder. Oh NO! According to leftists everywhere, any and all outrage should be directed at Bush, and only Bush. That's logical, right?

I think it is even more twisted and morally bankrupt that the left are unable to feel outrage towards the butchers who are killing innocents. That is why they are lumped in with the savages. Remember, according to leftists "the cause of terrorism is fighting against it" – Christopher Hitchens.


[Link: www.radioblogger.com...]

14 hornet  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:29:39am

# 10 marine mom....They are DECEIVED as well.

15 Pious Agnostic  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:31:03am

Well, I remember reading some of those comments when they were left on 7/7, and I thought at the time that they were a little over-the-top.

The were also about 1% of the total comments left.

I guess they think I should judge all of the Kos Kidz by the ones who express their conspiracy idiocy on that site.

How about, instead, we judge each individual by their one words. If I say something that you don't agree with, say "that Pious Agnostic guy went over the line."

Don't blame Charles; especially since he doesn't have much of a "comment deleted by moderator" reflex that other blogs do.

16 Grandma  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:31:15am

Charles provides the opportunity for a dialogue here. When all you can get is a monologue, you may as well watch CNN. The dialogue here is 99% articulate, well intentioned, and reasonable. His bravery is measured by his willingness to take the risk in doing so.

17 Mike C.  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:31:24am

Good timing, sport, what with even Kos being temporarily tempted to drive off his vast collection of nuts and fruits. Don't suppose you happened to read the folks who wanted to take a brick to the back of Iowahawk's head for writing a freaking satire, eh ?

18 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:31:26am

At what point will idiot leftists learn that Islam is not a race?

I'm guessing never.

19 Gagdad Bob  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:31:52am

It wouldn't be difficult to prove that LGF is a radical leftist site by hand picking .2 percent of the comments.

20 No User  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:32:33am

in the same vain, over reading Kos Kidz comments I found this:

'What makes Little Green Footballs and FreeRepublic the marvels of mass psychosis that they are is not just the craziness of the individuals who post there. It also has a lot to do with the authoritarian editorial practices of the administrators, who see to it that unwanted viewpoints quickly disappear and troublesome posters--often bearing news from the reality-based community--get banned. No fresh air gets in, no new angles get considered, no real debate occurs--and all America suffers as a result.'

Really, how many folks have you even banned Charles? how many points of view that you have disagreed with have been deleted?


Some of the stuff I see on this site is certianly hateful and stereotypical but it's one person view not the masses, even if the crowd agrees it has nothing to do with the news that Charles/LGFers find and provide…nothing at all, in short the comments section has almost nothing to do with LGF provided news, while the comments are why many people come—for free exchange of ideas.

21 mccleansan  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:33:00am

It's not worth following the link - we know better....

22 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:34:08am

#18-FreeSpeech

Seems to be an educated guess!

23 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:34:42am

#21

that's funny. Everytime I post something at a leftwing site - my comment is promptly deleted. fresh air and all....

24 Dr_Applebreath  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:35:06am

Aw shucks, they didn't quote me. I gotta start writin' better.

25 V the K  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:36:14am

"When Lefty Blogs Attack... you'll notice a blast of hot air, followed by a pose of self-righteousness, but there is no real danger. Their breath is worse than their bite. In fact, their breath is worse than 47 of the top 50 chemicals you'll find in a typical SuperFund Site."

26 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:36:21am

#2

And I'm not reading

And I'm not typing this.

right now as I'm not typing this.

27 saywhat?  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:36:58am

Blue like jazz - "the people who CRITICIZE the terrorists are evil, not the terrorists themselves."

How true. An unsubstantiated rumor about Koran desecration is reported in Newsweek reaching the far corners of the globe and resulting in massive outrage, demands for immediate apologies and change in policy (abject dhimmitude), not to
mention . . . large scale global murderous rioting (the RoP's version of justice). And we are constantly reminded by the msm that we should expect this.

We are vilified for expressing outrage at physical assaults. So . . .deadly assaults should be responded to with tolerance,
understanding and patience, since the perpetrators of the overwhelming
number of global terrorist assaults are performed by a horribly
missunderstood group of faithful believers.

Our outrage is ill placed?

How is that? I'm surprised that Chris Bowers and his ilk haven't spun the explosions as an effort to qualify for an olympic sport? Is that human enough?

Well, there is no further need to convince anyone of the 'qualities' of the faithful brethern. It is clear that members of RoP are absolute gold medal contenders in the 'sport' of base hate and terror franchise since the overwhelming number of qualifiers for this event come from RoP.

28 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:37:15am

Btw, WTF is it that none of these wackos seems to understand the difference between racism and criticizing a "religion".

A person who is black, white, brown or whatever can't help it, they were born that way, so making that a basis for criticism is a bit unfair. But if someone follows the teachings of a death cult, that is what they chose to do and they deserve no less than our fullest condemnation. Sadly, in Über-PC-land these types seek and attain legal protections.

Fucking perverted world this is.

29 Marine Mom  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:37:19am

#14- You're right- I forgot one.

30 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:37:20am

Let's see just how blinkered the Chris Bowers of the world are.

The people claiming responsibility for the London murders say:

Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,”

“We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success.”

“We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan,”

To which Chris responds with: "LGFers are haters."

31 Roland O'Gilead  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:37:38am

I am somehow flattered that my fifth post ever gets the attention of a lefty blog. What a great way to start the morning. I have been touched by the blogosphere.

"The best way to deliver those high intensity x-rays is through some W76 warheads at around 100 kt a piece. It will be easier to give a full body search after that."

Gee folks. Take it as a joke or just me showing off that I own a copy of "Jane's Nuclear Delivery Vehicles."

32 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:38:07am

Bwahahahahahahahaha

That is funny.

Rush was right "if you want to know what the left is up to,just look at what they accuse the right of doing."

33 goethe girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:38:52am

Oddly misplaced moral righteousness. It captures in a nutshell the Lib/Left: "We are more virtuous." Where will that get them in the sharia nation?

34 the_moll  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:39:17am

I can't get to the link. Must be Karl Rove at work.

35 tankdemon  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:39:48am

20 No user

Whoever posted that one is obviously ignorant (or lying). I think Charles bans less than 1 poster a month, and deletes fewer than 1 posting a week. It is to be expected that most people who log on to LGF will generally be in agreement with the political leanings of the blog, so it is natural most of the posts will reflect that, This doesn't mean dissent is discouraged, and definitely doesn't prove an authoritarian editorial practice.

36 Beagle  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:40:34am

Timing was everything in this situation. Charles opened registration soon before London was attacked. Without IDing the posters and reading the posts it's hard to tell.

If the Left studied more Islam and read what Charles posts instead of the posters the picture would reverse.

Charles, or anyone paying attention, might become enraged when someone exploits the early moments after the tragedy to argue the awful grievances of the attackers. Carping about poverty, Israel, Gitmo, getting the filthy kuffar out of the Middle East, accepting Muslim claims that any land once possessed by Muslims is theirs for all time, Bush, Halliburton, Bush invented terrorism, the Jews did it.

Trolls work. That's why they keep doing it.

Charles never sinks down into this stuff, which is why you never see him quoted.

Cherrypicking from 5000 comments is easy. It happens all the time. Gordon used to do that at the beginning of many threads to say hi.

37 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:40:52am

Time to get caffienated, get some jeans and 'sneaks on, and get out and do some...

SHOPPING!

A local plant nursery (Out at 320th/Military Road) is having a sale on hanging baskets this month...

Later, Lizards! Don't add any comments, since we're not allowed to comment (but, isn't that a comment?)

FT

38 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:41:26am

#33 goethe girl

Hey GG, haven't seen you around for a while. You good?

39 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:41:52am

"Because these people are a minority. Remember that. The vast majority of people are, in opinion and outlook if not in stated political beliefs, liberals (consider the popularity of social security, the continuing popularity of Roe v. Wade, etc.). So yes, shine the light, and the brighter the better. The more people who see what the reality really is, the better it is for us."

Keep thinking that way,little moonbat,and guarentee continued republican election victories and continue your party's slide into irrelevance and obscurity.

40 Missouri Boy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:43:35am

Typical left wing stuff..Accuse the other side of doing exactly what they do. Just shifting the blame for their own nuttiness.

Nothing to see here... we have better things to do, like dicussing Karl Rowe's take over of the world. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!

41 Midwest Pundit  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:43:42am

I offer this to Christopher...

Yesterday there was a map in The Sun showing Worldwide Islamic Terrorist Attacks. The map was incomplete without any mention of Palestinian or Chechen (or Iraqi) attacks).

I am guessing this is how the PC world may see things!

Anyway, I updated the map...

HERE

It is still incomplete but much better than it was!

42 BoghRD  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:45:08am

I think Markos Moulitsas “Screw Them” Zuniga just restored access to George Soros to the Daily Kos blog!

He should have warned them first...

43 Purple Fury  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:45:27am

The funny thing is he didn't even link to LGF.

He must have some alternate definition of sunshine, I guess.

44 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:45:39am

#35 tankdemon

It's just completely perverted. It's like whatever the left says is diametrically opposed to reality. You are right, of course, looking at facts might be a good starting point.
It's not for lack of experience, but I am constantly amazed at how they come up with their BS and keep asking myself, are they really that stupid or are they just having us all on?

45 BoghRD  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:46:55am

Markos had better find George Galloway's request for access quickly... Wouldn't want to get on his bad side...

46 jaybird  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:47:13am

Must be something wrong with me. They cited 10 supposed examples of over-the-top outrageous right-wing comments. I found myself in total agreement with all of them, even now, days after the attacks, in cool dispassionate reflection.

Having said that,... Those "blogs" out there that don't allow comments --Powerline comes first to mind-- bother me too. Interactivity and the exchange of ideas is the sine qua non of blogging. It's as if they don't want to be bothered with what other people --the little people-- think and have to say.

I agree with most of what the Powerline guys write. But do they realize that they also communicate an air of superiority and elitism?

47 No User  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:47:38am

#35 I know, I just was showing what the left thinks we are over here: a lock-stock-think-a-fucking-like blog, which while many of us are aligned politically it has nothing to do with how each other posts. Notice Charles links to comments of Kos himself and rarely to the Kidz, while most LGF critics pick comments from the crowd, comments that for the most part are unmoderated. In reality, Chris Bowers imself could sign up and make any number of comments, then use those comments as proof towards the 'hate' of the blog.

Another funny theory I see the left espouse is "I wanted to comment but oddly enough the comment section is closed"—which is hilarious considering it's closed most of the time, I visited for a few months before I got the chance to join.

48 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:48:45am

They've only done what you've done, Charles.

49 hornet  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:48:56am

We will be angry and outraged until the day that the Imams all stand up and say " there are no 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven when you murder Jews and anyone not Muslim, this is a lie, jihad is not holy, it is mass murder." When the muslims themselves give evidence and turn over these murderers to the proper authorities, AND when they condemn OBL and Zakarie, I might start to believe there is such a thing as moderate Islam/muslims....not until then. Until then, their ACTIONS scream at us that they are a demonic death cult. Words are cheap. ROPMA!

Chris Bower, what do you think, what would be your solution to these mass murders, OTHER THAN USA withdrawal from Iraq, and Israel withdrawal fron arab occupied israel?

I have nothing to do with the Republican party. Many posters here on LGF are from other countries.

Your comments concerning LGF are far from the truth

Cheers, have a nice day.

50 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:52:07am

#48 dr.z

Please elaborate.

51 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:53:26am

#48 dr.z3n

Exactly what are you accusing Charles of doing?

52 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:54:58am

Here's one of the real jewels from one of the "intellects":

That's the best you can do? (3.00 / 2)
Now I know you copied selectively from the Little Green Footballs posts. If you looked I'm sure you could find many that were much more thoughtful and kind hearted. Why, I bet some would have written that there was simply no need to kill all Muslims. If they would shave their beards, get down on their knees, beg forgiveness, give us all their worldly goods - and their oil - and become Christians they could find it in their hearts to let them live. As second class citizens, of course.

Well, speaking as one of those heartless evangelicals, I would settle with stopping the killing of innocent women and children, flying planes into buildings, and letting them crawl back under the slime mold they call home.

53 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:55:10am

#48 dr.z3n

STFU you presumptuous asswipe.

54 jlfintx  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:57:18am

These people are pacifists and appeasers. The kind that would have us speaking German or Japenese if they would have called the shots 60 years ago. When we are overrun by the muslim extremists, they will be on the street corners holding up peace signs.

That is until they are captured and beheaded.

The only way to stop the madness like in Britain is to get the mullahs, imams, and leaders who are continually calling for the overthrow and capitulation of western society, and to deport or lock them up. The only way to rid this cancer of the earth is to cut of the head of the beast.

Recommended reading proving this is "Infiltration" by Paul Sperry. The FBI is run amok with appeasers and cultural wimps right at the top, starting with Mueller. This book is truly depressing to read and realize political correctness trumps the ability to win this war within our own borders.

Just remember; we can not be defeated from foreign enemies unless they are helped and coddled from within our own borders.

55 goethe girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:58:21am

to rednaxala: yeh, I'm good, waiting for the open thread today. I found a couple of doozies.

56 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 6:58:21am

#49 hornet

Well, I keep checking but I still can't see that million Muslim anti-terrorism rally in London today (or any other day).

If there were actually any "moderate" muslims around, that would be a pretty good starting point. (Naturally, this excludes the beaten and locked up muslim wives.)

57 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:00:17am

Charles, You holding out on us?

Comments by Mike from the swan song post at LGF Watch:

Wow.. LGF is really down. Perhaps he's reconfiguring it without the comments section, getting ready for PJ Media. We've always known that's the way it would happen, no discussion, just dump the "lizards" and "minions", the ridiculous "rayra" and "Iron Fist", advertisers (other then purveyors of bondage accessories) don't want those guys around, stinking up the place. I think LGF will come up in it's new format, the Pajama Media Version with no commentators but "selected posters", Diary Style, like KOS, the blog that does four times the business. So it will be goodbye lizards, except Charles will make a place for them called [Link: www.lizardslounge.com...] lets check that URL... OK... LizardsLounge.com is for sale! $988.00.. CJ can swing that.. anyway.. there it goes. Without the comment overhead, the LGF site will move like lightning with all those links to other blogs and the new, exciting ads, nany of which will inlclude video teasers...

Buhbye Lizard Minions. Don't let the pointy ball penetrate your ass on the way out.

And I thought it was especially ironic that he was saying "

PS. I heard about getting rid of the coments there from a PJ Media insider, someone signing up a major blog. The comments on LGF have to go for several reasons, one is to make space for the "brought in" blogs which will feature their own commentary in nice boxes. No room for those endless comment threads!

LGF will be down all night and much of tomorrow as the important changes are made. There will be a UK version, an Aussy Version, and so on.
Some of the smart lizards are being signed up to writer "leaders" (a brit trem for editorials).

This is folks - the night of the long knives!

Oh, one more thing. I checked HostingMatters, - no problems with Charles hosting service. Charles himself has taken LGF off the net while he works on it with a bunch of other people. They're also putting in more filters: "filthy Arabs" just isn't going to fly anymore.

LOL. Mike's got quite an imagination there.

And I thought it was especially ironic that he was saying "Buhbye Lizard Minions" on the day that LGF Watch announced they were shutting down.

58 righthanded  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:01:41am

Until the left wakes up from their little dream world, and remove the wax from their ears and listen to what the terrorists are telling us, we will loose. We need to call this a war against religion of Islamic fascists. They are calling it a war on religion, but because of polictical correctness, we can't call it that. The polictical correctness will kill us! Screw the ACLU.

The left are so niave. These people are out to kill all of us. We need to kill the enemy first before they kill us.

Does anyone know where I can get a large supply of
pacifiers? It's time we hand them out to all the peace protesters and say "Suck on this!" The left are a bunch of sissy babies too scared to fight, they
pacify the terrorists, and better yet, it will keep their mouths shut!

I think I need to re-read Sean Hannity's book:
"Deliver Us From Evil.. Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism" I started reading this book, but never finished it because I stopped reading it to read "Unfit for Command" and never got back to finishing it.

Liberalism is also the enemy in fighting this war!

59 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:01:54am

#55 goethe girl

Wow, you are astonishingly disciplined, I still have a tendency to post OTs all over the place, especially the doozie stuff.

When ideas fail, words come in very handy.

60 Andy in Agoura Hills  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:03:13am

From the Greek Jew-hater (Huffington) comes his piece of drivel:

Odds are we probably won’t be hearing for a while the Bush mantra that the reason we're fighting them over in Iraq is so we don't have to fight them here at home. For the last few months, this ludicrous shibboleth has been the president’s go-to line -- his latest rationale for slogging on in Iraq.

Link

Let's see:

QUAGMIRE mentally. Check.
Use of the word SLOGGING. Check.
Calling the President a liar. Check.

The foolishness of the left never ceases to amaze me. The U.S. Congress approved and passed the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998" and it was signed by the left's hero Slick Willy. Then in 2001 Congress passed the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq Act" and it was signed by President Bush. That bill had at least 7 different reasons for using military force against Iraq. There have been numerous connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda explained by experts with evidence from Saddam Hussein's government papers. The papers expose the funding and training (at Salman Pak) that Hussein provided Al Qaeda. In return, Al Qaeda would call for the lifting of U.N. sanctions against Iraq, which they did. The hyperventilating of the left about killing too many Iraqis and we are the terrorists is clearly a lie and anti-American or anti-Bush or both. The "flypaper" strategy as you call it, I call it removing a tyrant (even the Iraqis would too) is working. There has not been 1 attack on U.S. soil or against U.S. interests outside of Iraq. Is this a difficult war? Yes. Will innocents die? As in all wars, yes. Are we winning the GWOT? Absolutely. There is no measure or standard by which to say that the terrorists have won anything in this war. They are losing and will continue to lose, if this country stays the course, and is not hijacked by the appeasement monkeys of the left.

Its amazing what a washed up old woman from Greece will do to stay in the limelight.

61 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:03:39am

I have nothing to do with the Republican party. Many posters here on LGF are from other countries.
true,
and i voted republican,
but am a Registered dingbat,
so sorry,
democrat.
but as i have said,
we all have our opinions and that is what makes for great discussions.
opinions are like butts, everybody has one.

just that some are better looking than others.

62 padikiller  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:03:56am

This Chris Bowers guy is a trip!...

He actually claims some sort of moral superiority over blogs which don't provide comments... Because.. Get this...

He lets "99.5" percent of people post freely... He only censors 1 in 200 comments (if he is telling the truth, that is).

I have respect for a blog that refuses ALL comments (Powerline and Michelle Malkin for example) or for a blog that allows free comments... Or for a blog that is upfront about its bias....

Selective publication is much more of a limitation open discourse than a total ban!

The guy has a right to restrict comments on his blog of course, but he off the deep end when he expects us to believe that he is somehow better than the less restrictive blogs.

63 azul93gt  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:04:00am

I,m out of the country so I´m stuck watching CNN Int´l. The theme of their coverage of the "Terror in London." Has been along the line of fighting back against generic terror means going along like business as usual, and Muslims fear backlash. Not a single "man on the street" interview with even a hint of outrage at the terrorists. This coverage is the absolute height of sanitization.

Then they trot out some hack women interviewer to throw softballs at King Abdullah of Jordan. She even prompted the "king" to lay the blame on the Isreali - Pali conflict, and the "king" threw in the Iraqui situation as a bonus. Of course our intrepid reporterette never felt it necessary to mention that this terrorism crap has been around long before the Iraq issue, and in fact were it not for rampant Arab/Muslim terror the USA wouldn,t be in Iraq. The king also mentioned the standard line about poverty and youth causing the terrorism as well. Once again our "journalist" didn´t bother to mention that poverty and youth describes about 2/3rds of the globe only without the terrorism.

They also had some chick interview a sensitive young Turkish lad that 'just happened' to be taking pictures from the subway platform when one of the bombs exploded... OMG he narrowly escaped.

CNN sucks!

64 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:05:55am

No endorsement of genocide on lefty blogs?

What about all those comments calling for the destruction of Israel? What about the excuses for suicide bombing and all the other Muslim outrages against Israel, whose targets are chosen purely for their nationality?
Did not leftists bother to defend Ward Churchill's "little Eichmanns" statement, which endorsed the murder of 3000 people purely on the basis of their perceived nationality?
I would argue that a large percentage of generalized anti-Ameircan rhetoric is genocidal in intent, since the objective is to justify the violent destruction of American society and culture.
This is particularly true of one of the left's standard tropes, generalizations drawn from lengthy lists of historical American misdeeds. These are designed to invite the conclusion that American culture is inherently and irredeemably corrupt.
There are such statements in the very string we are discussing.
The left defines "genocide" to arbitrarily exclude its own objectives, obvious though these are.

65 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:06:04am

Last time I took a hard look at Ariana Huffington, she looked like she was in the last stage of morphing into Tammy Faye Baker.

Like my daughter says, "EEEEEwwwwwwwwwww...."

66 Charles  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:11:01am

Geepers: that's hysterical!

67 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:12:20am

And from MyDD:

It would appear that LittleGreenFootballs rancid life might be drawing to a close. Just try accessing the site right now. I've tried it with four different browsers and none of them can find it. Might the Lords of the Internet decided that such bigotry has no place on the web? I guess we'll find out when LittleGreenFootballs reincarnates sans comments.

Dream on little Lefties, dream on.

And just exactly who are the "Lords of the Internet".

68 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:14:32am

Geepers,

And you have to ask whose "Lord of the Internet?" The inventor, of course, former Senator and long-term loser Al Gore!

69 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:14:40am

#51 Yank in the EU 7/9/2005 08:53AM PDT
#48 dr.z3n

Exactly what are you accusing Charles of doing?

Hi Yank,

Charles takes utterings from the 'comments' section on other sites and uses them to say something about that particular website.

70 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:15:05am

There is no measure or standard by which to say that the terrorists have won anything in this war. They are losing and will continue to lose, if this country stays the course, and is not hijacked by the appeasement monkeys of the left.
that is why we have to win again in 2008.
the democrats really believe that their canidate will be the next president. and she will stop this lunacy, ie, the war against terror.
and give them back their rights to a free ride with health care and government tax paid services, and eliminate tax monies for defense,
planes, troops, joooooos, and all that other vietnam era trash.

71 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:16:08am

#53 rednaxela 7/9/2005 08:55AM PDT
#48 dr.z3n

STFU you presumptuous asswipe.

Hi Rednaxela,

It's nice to see you in fighting form. =]

72 hornet  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:17:29am

All LLL self-rightchous (sp) moonbats are traitors. The London bombings are their opportunity to say " we told you so, they (UK) had it coming to them for being in Iraq." Truly sickening behaviour. Useful LLL idiots who only enable the terror bombings to carry on unchecked. LLL are cheerleaders for Islamic terror.

73 Paul  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:17:52am

#67 Geepers

And just exactly who are the "Lords of the Internet"?

Well, if you read Rense, Raimondo, and al-Jezeera it's these guys:

[Link: www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com...]

74 Mycroft  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:19:28am

The article has a point. Spoken in grief or not, many of those comments are way out of line and seriously damaging to anti-terror political advocacy.

The truth is there is an element here that routinely expresses some very ugly thoughts, and that's damaging to the credibility of the rest.

75 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:20:56am

#69 dr.z

Please give examples,blanket accusations don't cut the mustard around here.

76 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:22:01am

.. OK... LizardsLounge.com is for sale! $988.00.. CJ can swing that.. anyway.. there it goes. Without the comment overhead, the LGF site will move like lightning with all those links to other blogs and the new, exciting ads, nany of which will inlclude video teasers...

Gordon,
is that you,
wtf,
you better not screw with our floor humper.

i think i will kick your ass.

77 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:23:10am

Are we having gamey morlock buttocks for lunch again?

78 rightymouse  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:24:20am

#67 Geepers

Memo to MyDD: Charles IS the Lord of the Internet! Bwahahahaha!

79 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:25:08am

#77 The Other Les

Isn't that the menu for the Texas LGF BBQ?

80 RickZ  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:26:10am

# 74 Mycroft:

The truth is there is an element here that routinely expresses some very ugly thoughts, and that's damaging to the credibility of the rest.

Oooh, ugly thoughts. As compared to deliberately targeting civilians just going to work, or children just going to school, or blowing up vacationers on holiday, or hostages beheaded and replayed all over the internet for a vicarious thrill? Hmmm, ugly thoughts vs. actual acts of brutality. Now which one is worse, I wonder . . . . From your post, I can really tell that you do wonder, to your shame.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:29:16am

#77 The Other Left

"Are we having gamey morlock buttocks for lunch again?"

That depends. The Lords of the Internet might get around to defining anti-left agitation as "genocidal," in which case we will have to change the menu.

82 rightymouse  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:30:58am

I wonder if Mike at LGFwatch is totally embarrassed right now that LGF is up and running again. With comments.

83 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:31:53am

#71 dr.z3n

Charles takes utterings from the 'comments' section on other sites and uses them to say something about that particular website.

I do not believe I have ever noticed Charles to make such obviously fallacious assumptions. I think we'd all call him on it and ask if something is wrong. This is a matter that requires precise language, however, evidence and specifics are needed.

If you like, I can easily show that this MYDD website's accusations against LGF as a whole and as a community are ignorant of what actually happens at LGF the majority of the time. Do you question the reality that, for example, Kos and the gang all day long talk about Rove the great conspirator, base their arguments on whatever they feel, or just simply fabricate lies?

84 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:36:04am

#82-rightymouse

Bonjour...mon cher(sigh).

A LLL embarrassed?

They are far to self-adoring and arrogant for that, they have to externalize their failings.

85 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:36:18am

#82 rightymouse

Of course not.

Being a leftist involves observing reality with a view to subsequently denying the existence of parts of the picture that do not coincide with the pre-existing template.

86 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:36:44am

The truth is there is an element here that routinely expresses some very ugly thoughts, and that's damaging to the credibility of the rest.
suma bithc,
i cant stand it anymore, i am going to go out and kill some morlocks and pour nuk mon on their humps as i roast them over blue flames.
if my credibility is considered gutter trash by the left,
damn,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

87 Beagle  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:37:02am

#66 Charles

Geepers: that's hysterical!


That's one of the most intricate conspiracy theories spun up in no time I've ever seen. Like the Chomskybot there should be a conspiracy bot, if there isn't one, to the extent they don't overlap.

I thought maybe you were hacked.

88 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:38:12am

#71 dr.z3n

Perhaps you'd like to disprove my characterization of yourself, at least the "presumptuous" part, by posting some pertinent links to whatever BS you are trying to disseminate here.

89 foreign devil  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:39:31am

...oh NO! NOT THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF LGF! NOT THAT! What was it again? Oh yeah! I remember....Charles...time to get out of the egg-chair and back on the bicycle...your gut is hanging over your belt buckle!

90 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:39:33am

#86-ibmkeyboard

ummmm...nuk mon...and rice balls!

91 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:40:37am

Btw, re: my #85. Paraphrasing another poster there, no plagiarism intended.

92 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:44:30am

The L³ love to talk out their ass too.

Why Michelle Malkin (who used to have comments) had to shut them down:

COMMENTS, TROLLS, AND THE LEFT'S CONTINUED WHORE FIXATION

Read some of the loving lefty comments that forced her to shut down the comments section:

Why exactly does this large toothed educated female wog believe that she will be treated as white when God chose to make her yellow?
Even her political allies see her as nothing more than a trained monkey coached into saying a few simple racial truths that would be politically damaging if put into the mouths of a white man?

Her hatred for her fellow wogs comes from an inability to accept that God did not make her a European and that God chose to make her a woman.

Please, beat her severely and set her to work in a brothel somewhere in Malaysia that services Islamic terrorists.

No bigotry here huh?

Look at how even aggressive educated wogs like this Michelle Malkin serve their white masters at little or no prodding simply because they desire to be white and not what they were born.
Malkin's a whore regardless what race she was born. She'd serve any Dark Lord as long as they paid her.

You can just Feel the tolerance.

93 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:44:41am

Re: #81

"#77 The Other Left"

Sorry about that, Les. PIMF etc.

94 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:46:10am

ummmm...nuk mon...and rice balls!

fish heads, and lizards tails.

opps,
charles,
no offense,
just getting hungry around here.

olol

95 RickZ  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:47:37am

# 85 rednaxela:

Being a leftist involves observing reality with a view to subsequently denying the existence of parts of the picture that do not coincide with the pre-existing template.

Or simply airbrushing the picture to reflect to new direction taken by the party line.

96 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:48:29am

Okay, I'll admit to having turfed out a Marxist on my blog once. The bastard then sends an e-mail accusing me of treason because I violated his so-called right of "freedom of expression."

It was the Mental Inversion Syndrome in action, instead of a right being a proper restraint on the actions of society and government, the Marxoid used the concept of a right as an excuse to claim control over another person and his personal goods.

Not on my watch, Bucko!

Hey, it's my name in the URL and I will not allow my blog to be used as a platform for the advocacy of mass-slavery and mass-murder.

I must confess, Charles did delete one of my comments. It was short statement with a link concerning the use of the black stone in the Kabaa prior to the Big Mo' getting his hands on it.

No, I'm not going to repeat it here.

97 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:50:25am

# 93 Shiplord Kirel

I have my PIMF problems too.

98 satan sidekick  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:55:23am
But Sayful and his friends laugh at the idea that they are local pariahs. "The mosques say one thing to the public, and something else to us. Let's just say that the face you see and the face we see are two different faces," says Abdul Haq. "Believe me," adds Musa, "behind closed doors, there are no moderate Muslims

I am shocked. Who would have guessed?

Arrest these men

99 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:56:32am

#92-Geepers

What exactly is a 'wog'?

Whenever I mention or think her, it's always
Michelle(sigh)Malkin.
Even ending the comments, she is apparently getting ton's of really nasty e-mails. The compassion and love from the LLL is unending.

100 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:57:51am

geepers at 92

that is un real.
i have made some off the wall comments,
but that shite is way out of line.
usually if i say something dingybat,
another lgfer will step on my keyboard fingers,
even though it hurts,
it reminds me to keep my remarks level.
and nothing wrong with letting everyone know i am human and can make a 2 cent mistake.

101 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 7:57:58am

#92

PIMF= think OF her.

Shower time.

Over and out!

102 Athos  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:00:36am

#92 Geepers

I can hear it now - L³ squirming and complaining about how totally unfair and unrealistic you are pointing out their obvious hypocrisy.

Then they just place the tinfoil hat back on their heads, and continue on as before. Clueless and irrelevant - happy to be within their happy place - the echo chamber.

103 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:03:45am
What exactly is a 'wog'?

There are several definitions

The cure for one type of wog involves shelaliegs,
Lard
A Royal Baby w/cherry
A Royal Barber
Truth Serum
The stocks
King Neptune
And of course
A beauty contest

Rather lengthly cure
but fun for the curers'
Not so much fun for the cure'ies

104 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:04:02am

Beagle (#87),

They've been pushing the "Charles will shut down comments" theory for a while.

They see the pending elimination of the comments as more and more of the "rabid racists" get banned.

They claimed "proof" months ago when Mars Trucker got banned. Which was especially funny, since Mars Trucker, wasn't banned.

They live in a Fantasy Land where hopes and dreams are more important than actuality.

And when there hopes and dreams aren't realized they concoct conspiracy theories.

105 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:05:12am

#83 Yank in the EU
#71 dr.z3n

Oh well, Dr., I have a lot of reading and work to do, so I'm not going to wait anymore for your proof.

I just have to say: I find false accusations against decent folks repugnant; I think Charles is a good guy. There is an old Jewish idea, maybe I don't have it exactly as I am not Jewish, but it's something like: when you attack a person's reputation by words, this is the same as murdering them.

106 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:05:24am

what is a wog?
the british used to call the arabs wogs
just dont know if it has same meaning.

wogs= foreigners.

107 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:07:50am

village idiots apprentice

Thanks...I think.?!(ouch)


ibmkeyboard

Thanks. But she is Filipina.(and HOT)

108 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:08:28am

#75 TotallySirius 7/9/2005 09:20AM PDT
#69 dr.z

Please give examples,blanket accusations don't cut the mustard around here.

Sometimes, the jokes write themselves. ". . . blanket accusations don't cut the mustard around here." Priceless.


#83 Yank in the EU 7/9/2005 09:31AM PDT
#71 dr.z3n

If you like, I can easily show that this MYDD website's accusations against LGF as a whole and as a community are ignorant of what actually happens at LGF the majority of the time.

Certainly, I believe and agree with that.

(search seems slow today)

The argument from this side seems to be:

* We have a right to "forget ourselves" during this outrage. (this is subjective, and I don't disagree with it)

* It is unfair to cherry-pick a couple of the more radical comments and use them to paint the hosting website with the same brush.

Here is a reference to exactly that happening on LGF: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

109 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:12:56am

#88 rednaxela 7/9/2005 09:38AM PDT
#71 dr.z3n

Perhaps you'd like to disprove my characterization of yourself, at least the "presumptuous" part, by posting some pertinent links to whatever BS you are trying to disseminate here.

It's not my place to "prove something is not so." It's your place to "prove something is so."

See my post just above this one, where a pertinent link is posted.

110 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:21:19am

Hmmm... Charles' terrible secret...and the location of the underground lair...

Has anyone noticed just how much of Charles' photos are taken on/near the Palos Verdes Penninsula... Hmmmmmm....

Dare we ask if he has taken over the former Nike missile site above Point Vicente and (formerly) Marineland of the Pacific?

111 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:22:24am

# 99 no2liberals

What exactly is a 'wog'?


IIRC, it means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman", an inferior being with delusions of equality to the colonising race.

Some leftoids go as far as to deny the existence of the individual mind altogether, believing instead in the existence of a collective (BORG) consciousness. That what we normally perceive as an individual is in the leftoid view simply a component of a collective that is defined by race, class, or gender. Thus Ms. Malkin in speaking her own mind is perceived by the leftoids as defective unit that is acting against the collective mind of the "brown race".

Of course the collective interest, according to the leftoids, is always in the establishment and maintainence of a socialist collective. So when Pol Pot and his gang slaughter millions of Cambodians, the leftoids refuse to see it as the acts of depraved individuals but instead invent the term "autogenocide" in order to maintain the illusion of legitimacy of a socialist regime.

112 Simple Voice  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:22:27am

One of the things I've always liked about LGF is the reader has the ability to comment freely. To me, the best thing about the internet, in theory, is the total freedom to say anything I like, without having to worry about being muted by some higher power. Of course, there are areas on the internet where that facility is not allowed. Pity.
If I have to put up with a small percentage of numbskull postings in the LGF forum, in exchange for all the insightful and funny comments that are posted here daily, then I am willing to accept that trade off.
I am not going to say that censorship and banning of speech doesn't occur on the right side of the political spectrum, because it most certainly does, but in today's world, the true masters of the art of suppression come mostly from the left.

113 religion of bacon  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:23:01am

Who was it that referred to LGF as a "fact-based hate speech site?"

Speaking of evil hate speech, I repeat my call for terrorists to be forced to wear pigskin panties and bacon neckties... am I a fascist yet?

114 da lai lager  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:26:06am

Unfortunately, the thought police who once professed free speech are now frightened. Look how they seek to prevent expression of views different to theirs and misrepresent it as being of the extreme.

McCarthyism has turned the full circle and now it is they who damn everyone who holds different views and categorises them all in the same basket. If you disagree with them you are a right wing racist.

I never comment about race at all here. I do however, find the views of Galloway, Livingstone and co offensive in their support of the extreme fringes who espouse hatred. It's time these people realised that it is they who are supporting and defending racist ideologies. It is they who have become part of the problem.

115 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:30:34am

#108 dr.z3n

* It is unfair to cherry-pick a couple of the more radical comments and use them to paint the hosting website with the same brush.

Agreed, this is the main issue which is wrong with MyDD.

I am afraid, however, the example you gave: 4/25/2004: DUmmies: "I Hate America" shows that Charles is doing nothing of this sort.

There is, in this case, no fallacy of painting the whole website with the same brush because LGF simply quotes the DU post itself to make the clear point. The thread began basically "I hate America as it is today" and nearly every poster agreed and them some. If I am not mistaken the post gets voted off by the posters if they disagree.

What better fashion could you think of to demonstrate the majority viewpoint of the website? That's quite a comical example you pick, no?

116 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:32:07am

no2liberals

Thanks...I think.?!(ouch)

The wogs in question are sailors about to cross the equator for the very first time.
Very ancient ritual, dating back hundreds of years.

Has to do with the
Ancient Order of Shellbacks.

SHELLBACK (n)
Title bestowed upon a sailor who has crossed the equator. And endured the required induction ceremony, and can produce the required membership card in “the ancient order of shellbacks”. The ceremony consists of various hazing activities.
For instance, in the case of my own initiation, the crew of the cruiser I was on built a canvas tank about three feet high on the fantail, filled it with seawater and garbage, and let it ripen for a few days in the tropical sun before assigning two burly sailors to grab each initiate as he was pushed into the tank and ask him sternly, “Are you a pollywog or a shellback? Seeing the hapless victim just before him get dunked in the garbage upon saying “I’m a pollywog!’ The next guy, of course, said, “I’m a shellback!” Of course, he was immediately dunked, too, as it didn’t make the least difference what you said. After crawling on hands and knees about a hundred yards around the deck, clad only in skivvies and passing through a gauntlet of about a hundred sailors, each armed with a section of fire hose soaked in salt water with which to paddle initiates, each pollywog was allowed the opportunity to “kiss the Royal Baby’s Belly”. This latter person was the fattest crew member available, whose belly was smeared liberally with fuel oil and graphite. As the victim approached on his knees for the kiss, his head was pushed firmly against this mess, so that he acquired an immediate blackface mask. And so on...... Don’t lose that card!
117 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:32:32am
What exactly is a 'wog'?

Wog

118 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:35:01am

#115 Yank in the EU 7/9/2005 10:30AM
What better fashion could you think of to demonstrate the majority viewpoint of the website? That's quite a comical example you pick, no?

I agree--"no". He asks rhetorically "Can we question their patriotism yet?" to a wider audience than those two folks he mentions there. Thus, he is cherry-picking comments and painting others with that brush.

There are plenty examples of this. Search is really slow right now for some reason, but frankly, I'm surprised you need one as these things come up every 2/3 weeks.

119 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:39:21am

Almost forgot. The Northern Alliance of Bloggers is on now: The Patriot

Captain Ed, Powerline, etc. Cool stuff.

120 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:42:41am

dr.z3n: King of the Moral Equivalency argument.

121 southernms.  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:44:14am

I am very glad that I found little LGF. I have been very impressed with the fact that it has more of a town hall than a political party fest. Many ideas are exchanged here. I dont' see Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals. I see people who care and have something to contribute. We need this not only here in the states, but throughout the world. We are at a very grave time in our lives, whether anyone likes it or not, these people are fighting the crusades again. This is not just a fight over who gets oil, but who survives in this world. They are in a battle to win at any cost. Appeasement is not an option. They would just assume murder a kos kid as they would a LGF'er.Make no bones about it, we are in a fight that we cannot afford to lose. I apoligize if anyone is offended. but rality is reality.

122 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:52:12am

#118 dr.z3n

I agree--"no". He asks rhetorically "Can we question their patriotism yet?" to a wider audience than those two folks he mentions there. Thus, he is cherry-picking comments and painting others with that brush.
There are plenty examples of this. Search is really slow right now for some reason, but frankly, I'm surprised you need one as these things come up every 2/3 weeks.

1. So far as I have read, there is a consciousness always on LGF that we are not talking about all posters at DU, Kos, etc.

2. Yes, it really is a comical example. Think about if carefully. Charles presented a thread on their website where the clear majority, democratically supported (by their voting system) opinion was "I hate America and the majority of people living here." Damn man, wouldn't you question these people's general patriotism for letting this kind of dialogue and massage come to pass on their website? Your claim that Charles was talking about a "wider audience" than these posters and this website has no basis - given the way this site runs.

3. An apology is required.

123 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:52:23am

southernms. (#121),

I dont' see Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals.

We're anti-idiotarians.

Welcome aboard. :-)

124 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:53:29am

pimf: not 'massage', heh, but 'message'.

125 mycroft  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:54:17am

#80 RickZ

It's not ugly thoughts versus anything. Racism and calls for genocide stand on their own, and they are ugly.

I'm a Lizardoid, I read this blog every day. I read it because, like you, I'm concerned about the rise of Islamic terror and the apparant denial from the left.

However there is no reason why one should have to excuse or deny the idiots on the right in order to hold an opinion that is anti-idiotarian and anti-Islamist terror. Repudiating them makes your position stronger.

126 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:54:28am

Geepers
The Other Les
Village Idiot's Apprentice

TMI!
Thanks for the input. It coincides with all the different settings I've heard the expression used, although, always unflattering.
This is an excellent example of why the 'lizard' community exists, to share information, enlighten, and to educate those that are open to it. I'll leave your imagination, as to those that this doesn't apply.
I am a Capitalist Lizard, and must bid you all a good day, save one.(droll troll)

127 American Infidel[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:54:48am
128 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 8:57:00am

Note to the leftists who just don't see the big picture:

Why do I want islam wiped of the face of the planet?

Because I love my children, and I don't want to see them splattered 30 high on the side of a building.

You can't understand that? You think it is "racist"?

Morons!

Everyone killed in London had a Mom and a Dad, everyone killed in London was born as a helpless child; everyone killed in London was someone's dearest pride and joy;

Need I go on?

islam must be wiped out. No-one will mis it. islamics might as well be aztecs, ripping hearts out on the top of pyramids, using flint knives.

LET'S ROLL !

129 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:01:52am

#128 Ojoe

Kill all the Muslims, dude?

130 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:02:57am

mycroft (#125),

Repudiate away.

131 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:05:56am

# 126 no2liberals

Thanks for the input. It coincides with all the different settings I've heard the expression used, although, always unflattering.


You are welcome.

I am a Capitalist Lizard, and must bid you all a good day, save one.(droll troll)


I'm off to lunch. Something other than Morlock buttocks I should think...

132 American Infidel[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:09:21am
133 Catttt  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:10:59am

I read the story and the comments. Noted that, as usual, MY comments were ignored. I linked to an editorial on Muslims Wake Up! - written by a Muslim. Was that mentioned? Of course not, because it didn't fit the premise.

A commenter on that site made a good point - that left-wing blogs tend to liberally and swiftly purge comments that don't tow the leftist line and have systems in place to do so within minutes, on sites such as DU. The LLLs often accuse LGF of that, which we know is not true.

134 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:17:27am

American Infidel says:

Kill all the Muslims, dude?

No, not all just enough of them to re-allign their thinking...

Just "enough" huh? Is that like Genocide Lite™?

135 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:17:48am

#132 AI

No, not all just enough of them to re-allign their thinking...

Yes, there is an argument, though, that America can distinguish the guilty and innocent, and at the same time effect fundamental change in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Iran and Saudi Arabia may push the US to a position where it may have to kill many. My point is, if we win by making no effort to determine who is evil or not, then what America will have become morally is not worth it. RR said: "(I)f America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." There is also a long term truth this besides the moral point.

136 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:19:09am

"to this," that is.

137 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:20:27am

No. 129, 132:

The "religion" must go. That is distinct from all the people in it. The aztecs are gone, but many people of that religion survived its passing. (Now most of them are Catholics).

I suppose I'll take some heat for saying this too.

138 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:20:29am

#122 Yank in the EU 7/9/2005 10:52AM

2. Yes, it really is a comical example. Think about if carefully. Charles presented a thread on their website where the clear majority, democratically supported (by their voting system) opinion was "I hate America and the majority of people living here."

I'm quite certain that given enough time, I could fashion a statement which would be out of the political mainstream yet would win a majority in a vote on LGF.

Damn man, wouldn't you question these people's general patriotism for letting this kind of dialogue and massage come to pass on their website?

Why does everyone take things so personally. Personally, I was the first after 9/11 to say "Hell, yes, I question your patriotism" and to mock: "Just because we pine away for the downfall of Western civilization doesn't mean I'm not a patriot!".


Your claim that Charles was talking about a "wider audience" than these posters and this website has no basis - given the way this site runs.

So you believe the tag-line "Can we question their patriotism yet?" was addressed to just those couple of posters?

3. An apology is required.

LOL

139 unclassifiable  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:25:07am
Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs. Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.

Does this even mean anything to this left wing dipsh*t?

Or this from the FAQ?

140 American Infidel[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:26:52am
141 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:32:03am

#138 dr.z3n,

I'm quite certain that given enough time, I could fashion a statement which would be out of the political mainstream yet would win a majority in a vote on LGF.

You may be certain, but that's neither a fact nor a binding argument. I'll take that as your concession.

Why does everyone take things so personally. Personally, I was the first after 9/11 to say "Hell, yes, I question your patriotism" and to mock: "Just because we pine away for the downfall of Western civilization doesn't mean I'm not a patriot!".

It need not be taken personally; it is by demonstration of your example a fact that they are not big fans of the USA. In any case, patriotism is an issue tied in closely to personal identity, would you agree?

LOL

I meant out of honor to Charles whose site we are on.

142 NTropy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:32:42am

I'm sure this has already been said many times but this quote always galls me no end:

Why Right Wing Blogs Don’t Allow Comments.

The IndyMidiots will immediately "hide" any posts not in line with their tinfoil hat brigade circle jerk of opinions. Democraptic Underpants bans anybody not goosestepping to the latest Stalinist uptopian chimera. Kos and MyDD shout down and banish those not joined at the cranium.

And yet they have the chutzpah to write this crap? Charles rightfully banishes simple trolls but is very lenient to those possessing at least rudimentary reasoning skills (c.f. Gordon currently, voice from Ireland and HWSNBN)

143 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:33:15am

Ojoe (#137),

The "religion" must go. That is distinct from all the people in it.

No arguments there.

Thanks for the clarification.

144 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:39:26am

#140 AI

You are not yet ready to face that...

Well, you are right, I find that among the most difficult of possible issues to consider. I realize, from our previously discussing this topic a number of times, that you are not ignoring the issue of justice and the importance of not killing innocent people, but rather you view the threat to America as imminent. Fair enough. But for myself, I have not yet seen proof of this, and at the moment the course of democratizing and reforming the Islamic world seems to be in our best interest. I actually expect Israel to strike Iran in the next few years or less, and I expect America will stand with Israel as it (nearly) always has.

145 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:42:42am

#137 Ojoe

The "religion" must go.

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I say it's not gonna go soon, so our best shot is to proceed exactly as we have been: killing the militant Islamists and bringing the rule of law/liberty/secular constitutions to their soceities.

146 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 9:47:58am

NTropy (#137),

Hey NTropy!

What I always find amusing is the consistency of how often they draw conclusions based on facts not in evidence.

Facts that can usually be found with the most cursory of searches.

Oh, right ...

147 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:00:25am

No. 145: Yank in the EU:

Yep, it's the 'religion" that must go.

Into the trash can with it, it can join the:

aztecs

nazis

KKK

mussolini

pol pot

stalin

mao

(I'm sure you can add to the list)

148 righthanded  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:04:05am

#67 Geepers
#73 Paul

"And just exactly who are the Lords of the Internet"


#112 Simple Voice

"One of the things I've always liked about LGF is the readers has the ability to comment freely. To me, the best thing about the internet, in theory, is the total freedom to say anything I like, without having to be muted by some higher power"


The real Lord of the Internet is Hillary Clinton.. at least she is trying to be. She is trying to control all the content of the internet.. Which shows just what a Socialist she really is. A new book out called "Hillary's Secret War" tells how she is trying to silence the internet.

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

149 Yank in the EU  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:22:40am

#138 dr.z3n
Forgot to add something:

So you believe the tag-line "Can we question their patriotism yet?" was addressed to just those couple of posters?

I addressed this lucidly before.

Charles presented a thread on their website where the clear majority, democratically supported (by their voting system) opinion was "I hate America and the majority of people living here."

Charles appropriately questioned the large majority of these posters' and DU's patriotism for presenting "I hate America and the majority of the people" on their blog as a message to the public. At best, all the other people on their website saw the thread, laughed, and said 'who cares?'

#147 Ojoe

I'm not feeling too bad that the Aztecs were extinguished by the Spanish. It is the question of method that is key, not just because American identity is moral, but in the long term it is important that America establishes and follows standards or principles of separating the guilty and the innocent where possible.

Good night and take care all.

150 NTropy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:22:58am

#146 Geepers

Heya Geeps! LTNS

So how was the Ohio area gathering?

One thing I've noticed vis a vis comments is that anger, revulsion and hatred directed at the perpetrators is absolutely unacceptable by the El Cubos. Anger, revulsion and hatred aimed squarely at the victims (Americans, Brits, Jews in Israel) is perfectly acceptable.

The L3

151 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:28:00am

You know, what is most amazing/disgusting about the L³eft is that we are awful, intolerant "racist" pigs because we won't tolerate a culture that demands a Judenrein Planet Earth. And, while we are on the subject, one that is free of Christians, Buddhists, Athiests, Pagans, Hindus, Gays, and one where the women are enslaved.

And a culture that is entirely willing to use any level of violence at its disposal to create the world it wants. If the Islamonazis had our nuclear arsenal, the West would have been radioactive rubble for some time.

All that shit is just fine with the L³eft. What the hell. The Muslims blew up a few people in London, and all the other Muslims quitely cheered. And so did the L³eft. Both groups hate Western Civilization.

I know Reaganite gets pissed off if we say all Liberals are Traitors. He is correct that all Liberals are not traitors.

I will submit to you that all L³iberals are traitors. It is a subtle, but very real difference.

152 Freedom Fan  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:29:18am

Bowers is just another disgusting liberal hypocrite. Here is how they censor the "MYDD" blog:

Trusted and Untrusted Users
This site uses a system called "Mojo" to try to keep the comments as high-signal as possible. All users can rate all comments as Super. When your comments are rated by others, those ratings are combined into a weighted average -- newer comments count more than older ones -- called your "Mojo". This, roughly, represents the rating we could expect your next comment to receive based on your past comments.

Users who have a mojo greater than a certain minimum and who have posted a sufficient number of comments are considered "trusted" users, and have the added capability to hide offensive comments that are personal attacks.

So having beaucoup "Mojo" designates a "trusted" super user who censors commenters with whom he disagrees. Someone with real mojo has the balls to challenge opposing viewpoints with his own well-developed ideas and facts, not just "hide" conservative opinion like a coward. Another shameful, typical example of liberal hypocrisy.

Apparently a "progressive" person is one who favors "free expression", provided the content of that expression exactly matches his. Witness the near total dearth of opposing opinions in the "MYDD" echo chamber.

Yeah we really need this type of self-proclaimed policeman with the requisite sterling credibility to cast "sunshine" upon the rich, diverse blog environment that is LGF.

153 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:35:40am

Charles is holding out on us.

Since LGF has been back up, this has been posted at LGF Watch by Muslim in Isreal:

Ha, Charles gave some "story that a hard drive was down...yeah right....why would a blog his size depend on one hard drive instead of an array? C'mon that's bullshit...Pablofinger is now denying that he stasted the rumor (above) to rile up this site...Charles shut down the site due to that from complaints recieved by ICANN (?)

I'll bet Charles will soon write off the very people who promoted his skrit from a lame biking blog to a muslim bashing shit hole it is today. You cannot get advertisers to back you if you are foul and racist so Charles knows this so he's easing in the Changes due to the fact the lizardshits know he is based out of Culver city California...riots will start and Charles will be lynched by his own mob for selling out to the man buhahahahahahah!

Reply from Chester:

MusliminIsrael,

Charles is most probably thinning the comments archives with scripts he wrote to remove racist comments. It probably wont be the last time a server goes down suspiciously on a Friday night.

How could he ever launch the PJ thing without stuffing all of his skeletons in the closet?

Think about it, couple of business meetings, and then a server down while he was on a plane? why meet up in Berkely anyway?

Reply back by Muslim in Isreal:

spot on bro

he cannot deny it, change is coming to LGF and we caught on before the LGFers how ironic, they call us cretins and they are the ones who are totally clueless about the whole thing.

LOL. The "reality based community" speaks.

154 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:36:08am

152 Freedom Fan

Get your mojo working, man..

:D

155 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:38:06am

153 Geepers

Yep... Friday night is Racist Night on LGF....

156 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:38:32am

I love the way they always fall back on this arguement(if you can call it that);"

"Yep, time to make for the nearest recruiting office.
# posted by janeboatler : 2:40 PM"

Yeah jane I'm sure they'll take an old(~50)asthmatic with 5 minor children.

Also that is a logical fallacy;arguementum ad hominum(tu quoque) therefore those people who use this fallacy are irrelevant.

157 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:42:23am

NTropy (#150),

So how was the Ohio area gathering?

Great. 17 Lizards from all over made the trip, plus a few more spouses friends and kids.

We're still recuperating.

But don't take my word for it, ask my evil twin. ;-)

158 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:46:54am

Bubble Girl (#155),

Yep... Friday night is Racist Night on LGF....

LOL.

You know we're going to start seeing that posted on other blogs as if it's a rule.

159 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:47:08am

#154 Bubble Girl,

Hey, Dolly-babe ;-P

Yeah, Muslim is now a race. I guess that means that Christian is also a "race", so all the anti-Christian L³iberals are now officially, by their own standards, racists.

I think they should commit honorable seppuku. It is the only way to expunge their dishonor.

:-)

160 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:52:57am

#153 Geepers

I always wanted to be part of a conspiracy(other than the VRWC)

..and get to be part of a lynch mob too,WOOT!

BTW I'm still living in shame from not making it to the Ohio LGF meet-up.

;-)

161 NTropy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:53:59am

#157 Geepers

Glad to hear you had a great time. I suspected as much. Wish I could have been there.

162 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:54:44am

158 Geepers

Crap... can Charles delete it?

159 Iron Fist

hello Iron... :D

It's all too confusing to me...

163 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 10:56:49am

Charles @ 155

Charles,

Sorry, can you please delete post 155, it was meant as sarcasm but will be too easy to take out of context.

thank you...

164 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:04:42am

Bubble Girl (#163),

No worries. We understand it for what it is and Charles will simply laugh at anyone who doesn't.

165 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:08:11am

TotallySirius (#160),

There's always next year. We'll start planning earlier so everyone can plan their schedules around it.

That is if LGF is still around, I've heard rumors that it's "going down". ;-)

166 NTropy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:11:00am

#165 Geepers

What are you talking about? LGF will obviously still be around - the lizardoids simply won't be able to comment on or about it.

Why Mikey would think the comments section would go away is beyond me. Every good newspaper in the old media has a letters to the editor section. That would be the comments section of LGF.

167 liberality  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:13:16am

Quick question: when LGF initiates a flame war with another blog, why is regisration closed here? Perhaps you're afraid that posters at other blogs will actually come here and drown out regulars, in much the same way the minions flood the offending blog with drivel?

If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd open registration before initiating a flame war; fair is fair.

168 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:16:31am

167 liberality

Registration has to do with the amount of posters that LGF can maintain at any specific time.. it's rarely open, people complain that they have to wait for weeks, months, to get on.

169 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:17:10am

#167 liberality

when LGF initiates a flame war with another blog

Which one would that be? If you're referring to MyBB, that's kinda stupid, don't you think, since this whole thread is about their post.

170 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:17:39am

liberality

What is your blog? Are you under attack?

171 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:19:32am

#167 liberality

That is the Fallacy of the wrong direction, therefore your statement is irrelevant.

172 trespasser  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:23:15am
"We need to stop fucking with these people and kill every one involved. I mean anyone with prior knowledge, anyone who payed for it, and anyone who supported it. Regardless of nationality."

What exactly is the objection to this quote?

173 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:29:36am

No. 149 Yank in the EU -

Yes we must be as moral as possible in the task before us; in fact to be as moral as possible will make the task easier.
Hi-tech, precision weapons are a great help here: But what we have to do, is fraught with great moral danger.

That said, to shirk the task would be very very immoral.

Goodnight, and may you sleep soundly.

174 KarmiCommunist  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:30:23am

#172 trespasser

The cuss word f*cking...

175 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:40:15am

NTropy (#166),

They seem to think they've clued everyone in to LGF being a "hate site" and it won't be long before the falling numbers (not sure where they get that notion from, probably comparing it to the heady 250,000 plus days of Rathergate) will continue and LGF will soon fade away.

176 NTropy  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 11:48:04am

Geepers (#175)

The only time I'll consider LGF going down is when Kamikislamists around the world put down their C4 and bomb belts, join hands with the Israelis and "radical" evangelical Christians for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya.

In other words, my thoughts won't be venturing in that direction any time soon.

177 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:05:47pm

#172 trespasser

Who's objecting?

178 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:09:11pm

#167 Troll

If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd open registration before initiating a flame war; fair is fair.


If you got a problem with Charles' registration policy, write to him.
It's his site, he makes the rules.

If you want to make use of your 1st amendment rights, get your own fucking blog, now piss off.

179 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:14:46pm

#163 BG

I second that (and appreciate you didn't mean it that way)

Besides, understanding the Muslim threat is not racist in the least. People don't choose to be black, white or whatever, that's how they were born. But being Muslim is a matter of choice, a choice that deserves our utmost contempt (Of course, save for all those who showed up at today's Million-Muslim-march-against-terrorism in London).

180 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:18:56pm

#109 asswipe

Hmmmm, so posting a link to a random thread is tantamount to proving something.
Take your fucking conjecturing to grann -- perhaps she'll buy into it.

181 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:22:51pm

rednaxela (#178),

But being Muslim is a matter of choice,

Well, ... sorta:

When a child is born, the islamic creed (in Arabic of course:La ilah illa allah: Muhmammad rasul allah) is whispered in his ear. These should be the first words a child learns to speak and the last words on the lips of a dying man.
182 rednaxela  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:35:09pm

#181 Geepers

Good to see you're still around for the early evening shift. ;)

True, but to an extent that applies to all kids. The sad reality is that all kids are to a large extent a product of whatever their upbringing.
Of course, seeing the Palestinian child abuse documented by Charles here frequently, one can only conclude that this sort of upbringing will churn out more and more terrorists.
But the fact of the matter remains that once these people reach the age of consent, it is up to them to denounce it all.

Anyway, the point I was making is that criticism of one's beliefs are valid while criticism of one's skin color is not. And it just gets my blood boiling to see supposedly democratic governments, the world over, abridging my right to criticize Islam.

183 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:42:05pm

rednaxela (#182),

But the fact of the matter remains that once these people reach the age of consent, it is up to them to denounce it all.

One of the reason muslim countries disallow all other forms of religion; anything beats islam.

And also why muslim apostates are first on the murder list.

184 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 2:44:34pm

#141 Yank in the EU 7/9/2005 11:32AM PDT

I'm not sure you're ready for prime-time ;)

The most basic of morals states that we should treat others as we wish to be treated. Others should not be held to a higher standard. Being that only the poster is respondible for his/her sentiments, it's unfair by all parties involved to paint anyone but the poster with the brush of their own words.

Charles (rightfully) assails their logic when it is done to LGF, yet does the same thing when he samples outrageous quotes from other sites for any other reason than to prove something about those particular authors.

#180 rednaxela 7/9/2005 04:18PM PDT
#109 asswipe

Hmmmm, so posting a link to a random thread is tantamount to proving something.
Take your fucking conjecturing to grann -- perhaps she'll buy into it.

Oh, mummy, he's adorable, can we keep him!?

185 xbalanke  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:16:24pm

Wow. I tried to read some of the comments over there. What a bunch of sanctimonious, self-righteous, deluded fools. Soooo serious and thoughtful and concerned. At least DU and IndyMedia can be amusing at times.

186 jdwill  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:17:01pm

Re: "Stalinist Purge"

I've been a major fan of this site since right after 9/11. Now I want to post a criticism.

I wish anyone using the word Stalin or Hitler would pause and reconsider if the metaphor is truly appropriate. These were truly world class evils and I think their names should not be used lightly.

We have seen Gulag, bush-hitler, Nazi, and other terms tossed out like pennies by the left. Let's not succumb to their moral triviality.

The almost unfathomable scale of his crimes–as many as 20 million Soviets died in his purges and infamous Gulag–has given him the lasting distinction as a personification of evil in the twentieth century.

From Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar (Part 1)

A very worthwhile read as this biography has access to never before seen Soviet documents. The C-Span item linked gets you to a very good preview as the author is interviewed.

187 Charles  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:22:18pm

jdwill: good point. I meant "Stalinist" to be taken as sarcasm -- but you're right, and I've removed that word.

188 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:31:09pm

I think I've finally found an analogy to Islam that will be interesting to see the L3 refute:

Southeners.

As a child of the 60's and 70's I grew up with the meme that _all_ Southeners were racists. They would all lynch a Black man at the drop of a hat.

But really it was a small percentage of Southeners that were the problem...the Lynchers. The KKK. But they scared the crap out of everyone else so the general population remained quite.

It wasn't until the general population of the South began to condemn the KKK that things changed, as did our concept of Southeners. A process that literally took decades.

But the idea that the Left painted so well on the South remains. A reminder not to backslide.

So doing the same today to a culture, just as the South was a culture, that kills innocents is, in the Lefty Eye, a bad thing?

Hunh?

Everyone of the terrorists that have attacked us has been a Muslim. (Except McVey who I believe was a dupe of Saddam)

Just as the entire South was liable, to the Left, for the deeds of a few so is Islam liable for the deeds of a few. Until they start dragging the scumbag killers out into the street for us to pick up they are all guilty.

Why does not the Left see the similarity? BDS, I suppose.

189 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:36:32pm
190 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:39:06pm
191 xbalanke  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 3:40:31pm

#188 Quilly Mammoth:

Good points. However, I would just add that the South was somewhat unfairly tarnished with that brush as lynchings were by no means an exclusively or even primarily Southern phenomenon. Though today most people assume it to be emblematic of the Old South. Here's a good discussion of the topic.

192 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:26:21pm
193 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:27:26pm
194 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:29:07pm
195 Geepers  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:32:13pm

Rayra (#192),

Touched that up for you.

Thanks brother.

196 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:37:13pm
197 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:44:30pm

#188 Quilly Mammoth 7/9/2005 05:31PM PDT
I think I've finally found an analogy to Islam that will be interesting to see the L3 refute:

Southeners.

As a lifetime Southerner, I think this should be good.

As a child of the 60's and 70's I grew up with the meme that _all_ Southeners were racists. They would all lynch a Black man at the drop of a hat.

Of my (short) life experience, I've heard "we all had gout," as well as other non-helpful slander.

But really it was a small percentage of Southeners that were the problem...the Lynchers. The KKK. But they scared the crap out of everyone else so the general population remained quite.

Untrue. Southerners simply weren't passionate in the defense of blacks because they believed black influence degenerated society.

It wasn't until the general population of the South began to condemn the KKK that things changed, as did our concept of Southeners. A process that literally took decades.

. . , 600,000 dead and a South which was burt to the ground or otherwise destroyed, raped, and pillaged by Union "soldiers," and the uprooting of the political order by forcefully placing illiterate blacks into government officialdom at the local and State levels.

But the idea that the Left painted so well on the South remains. A reminder not to backslide.

Most of them moved to Northern cities, wherefrom the Yankees then fled, and invented the suburb.

So doing the same today to a culture, just as the South was a culture, that kills innocents is, in the Lefty Eye, a bad thing?

The KKK was once an organization of political respectability. Many politicos from the North and the South were in it. As with the IRA, when their terrorism started killing people, it lost respectability. Today, I actually believe the KKK are civil-rights activists playing agent provocatuer.


Everyone of the terrorists that have attacked us has been a Muslim. (Except McVey who I believe was a dupe of Saddam)

I do, as well, but it turns out that McVeigh was blowback from the Branch Davidian massacare committed by Janet Reno. As it turns out, the Government was at fault. McVeigh believed (and he was correct) that those feds partially responsible would be gathered there that morning (that he knew that is how we know Saddam's intel service was in on it). The reason he's still a villian is that he murdered innocents as well--but he's a terrorist while the Clintonistas get off.

Just as the entire South was liable, to the Left, for the deeds of a few so is Islam liable for the deeds of a few. Until they start dragging the scumbag killers out into the street for us to pick up they are all guilty.

The fact is that when things went to far, we didn't have to give them up to you as we took care of things ourselves.

198 dr.z3n  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 4:46:29pm

#192 Rayra 7/9/2005 06:26PM PDT

#120 Geepers 7/9/2005 10:42AM PDT
dr.z3n: King Sappy mewling spontaneously-breaking-into-song Princeling of the Moral Equivalency argument.

Touched that up for you.


Dr.z3n, you're full of shit.

Hi Rayra,

. . . and you're so. . . emotional. =]

199 Charles  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 5:00:43pm

I've had a belly full of dr.z3n. He's had a timeout, and that's enough. Bye.

200 Fish-Man  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 5:09:57pm

Michelle is tracking the Kos-purge, and links to this post...
Michelle, LGF and Tinfoil-hat Comments

201 no2liberals  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 5:11:49pm

Thank you Charles.
He had a lengthy, and incoherent day.
Perhaps he missed his Mellaril today.

202 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jul 9, 2005 5:50:00pm

#191 xbalanke

Indeed, if we look at the records of the Chicago Tribune or the NAACP we see that they happened thoughout the US. However, it is the South were Lynchings were a spectator Sport.

On the other hand, fifty years ago people like Bowers would have been happily condemning Southeners as a whole.

On the gripping hand: from the end of Reconstruction there were organizations of white people that opposed lynching. Such, afaik, do not exist in Islam.

203 Yank in the EU  Sun, Jul 10, 2005 4:17:21am

#184 dr.z3n

I'm not sure you're ready for prime-time

Ah, going ad hominem when all hope is lost. Tsk, tsk.

The most basic of morals states that we should treat others as we wish to be treated. Others should not be held to a higher standard. Being that only the poster is respondible for his/her sentiments, it's unfair by all parties involved to paint anyone but the poster with the brush of their own words.

You're banned so obviously there's no longer discussion. Regarding the above though: what you said was all wrong. Equiprimordial to a moral principle of how to treat others is the notion that we must be discern moral and intellectual positions/ideas of others. In your example, it is self-evident that DU the website and the community, by majority consent, stated: "I hate America and most the people here."

Your ideas in this thread are examples of moral equivalence, leading you to the logical incongruity of being unable to judge the community at DU or the leftist website which call LGF 'racist' etc. Conversely, if Charles starting posting about "Death to the Arabs" and we all agreed, then we must all in turn paint LGF as a hate site.

204 Yank in the EU  Sun, Jul 10, 2005 4:18:11am

pimf: strike "be"

205 Yank in the EU  Sun, Jul 10, 2005 4:20:55am

Geez, what's with the typos today?: "websites"

206 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 12, 2005 9:09:42am

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


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