So what's his point?

But it’s clear that Al Qaeda does not fear us, frankly they probably think we’re idiots.

That wouldn't have anything to do with you, now would it?
/Snork

Didn't take reading past the first paragraph to see the guy's unhinged. How about they attack us because they hate our freedom and way of life, and they have the capability?

The thing that really peeves me is that some on the left even argue against our effort in afganistan, but for those (like this fellow & Kos) who say they support it, what say them about the london bombing being linked to our efforts in "iraq and afganistan?" I just don't see how they hold that statement up as proof our efforts hurt terrror without also saying that afgan. was a mistake also., and if they agree with afgan. then how can they also blame terror on it? Maybe I don't get it because I use logic and they don't, who knows.

This may not be all that substantive, but what a shmuck! It's also clear that he has no grasp whatsoever on reality, but we've known that for a good long time. If he can't understand the connections between the GWOT and what's going on in Iraq, then he really doesn't have enough brains to fill a thimble. It's making my head hurt to even try to follow his "There was a terrorist attack in London, therefore President Bush isn't fighting the war on terror" line of...well, it would be inappropriate to call this kind of nonsense reasoning, now wouldn't it?

Man, if I tried to read all of the idiotic leftwing crap on the Internet, I'd never make it out of my apartment again.

Thank you, Charles, for having the intestinal fortitude (and iron stomach) to wade through this swill so I don't have to.

I think this is not just the Left's dumbest blogger.

Tuco Ramirez the Rat does a good job of fisking that pile of crap.

#7 steve miller 7/9/2005 02:33PM PDT
I think this is not just the Left's dumbest blogger.

They seem to be in such a vigorous race to the bottom that it's difficult to single any one out for this distinction.

I see Ollie has adopted the democratic party donkey - or in his case the jackass - as his site logo.

"left’s dumbest blogger"
Understatement

That was truly lame. What a loser.

Once again- Like Superglue To Stupid.

This man, Mr. Willis, neglects to mention that his "same gang of thugs" also bombed a Kenyan hotel full of Israelis and attempted to shoot down an Israeli airliner in Africa.

Just an oversight, I'm sure.

Thugs bomb London - very, very bad. Delays tea time and all that.
People make intemperate remarks - HATE! HATE, I TELL YOU!

/moonbat (class)
/willis (sui generis)

WTF, my head is spinning.

This guy is not just dumb, he is ignorant.

Having read the article, I can say with certainty that this idiot cares only for himself. And is sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick! I counted them.

The thing that really peeves me is that some on the left even argue against our effort in afganistan, but for those (like this fellow & Kos) who say they support it, what say them about the london bombing being linked to our efforts in "iraq and afganistan?"

The left's support for Afghanistan is, at best, paper-thin. Remember, the peace-nuts began organizing long before the Senate was singing "God Bless America", and those peace-nuts are not just welcome into the left's company, they are honored and respected. Michael Moore, even after the Taliban had fallen, said he couldn't understand why we had gone into Afghanistan at all!

Here's a real doozey from one of the lovefest types over at Oliver's:

Oliver, ignore the wingnuts. Their minds are a wash of bilious tepid ignorance utterly lacking creativity or love

If we're so uncreative, why do our wing-nut comments continually give the left hives? I'm not checking up on them to read their latest drivel because frankly I don't care what they think or write and find doing so is a waste of time.

And if we're so utterly lacking in love, why doesn't the left take up donations and send the terrorists flowers, or wave the white flag, or invite them to dinner? I'm sure that will stop the bloodshed.

Surely this bozo must have been on some mind-altering drug while writing this? If the above is what passes as creative thought, count me out. I'll stay in the dark and kill terrorists...with love, of course.

Typical of the left. Complain that there's a problem, but don't offer up a solution.

Not only is he the left’s dumbest blogger, he is by far the ugliest of any blogger, lefty or righty.

Looks like a founding member of the League of Angry People Democratically Organized for Good Governance. Can't quite follow the argument from any basis other than the "demonization" angle.

Does the dude really believe that someone with a D-party membership card would magically be able to, through remote viewing, locate and capture Bin Ladin, and in addition that would "end the War on Terror?"

What really bothers me is I think the dude's sincere... actually believes the projection is his opponent.

Not that there isn't plenty of smug certainty going around in the world, but occasionally it seems like one group is trying to corner the market.

What we need is a more sensative approach to the war on terror. What would John Kerry do? I'm sure he has a plan for this sort of thing. If only he would share them with us.

/sarcasm off

Yet, it is now abundantly clear that George W. Bush, the Republican Party, and their supporters simply do not care about fighting the terrorist threat in any real way.

Unlike the Clinton administration's priorities of cigars, blowjobs and undermining the CIA...

Game over.

#22 Merovign

L.A.P.D.O.G.G. (I get it)

If you don't pet 'em they become little yappers!

#19 goodbye_natalie

Yeah, when I saw the word "bilious" in that response, I got the image of a middle-age, balding man who dresses like a pirate almost every day.

At least he didn't say "scallywag" or "swab the decks!"

Like kryptonite, too stupid.

#6 Amy

Man, if I tried to read all of the idiotic leftwing crap on the Internet, I'd never make it out of my apartment again.

Hahahahaha! So true.

Willis is a moonbat, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. The U.S. and the U.K. are not doing enough to stop terror. (I complained about this in my blog. Which really, really, really needs comments by the way. Please don't make me beg.)

But the reason we aren't attacking the terrorists 100% is because the politically correct insanity of leftists like Willis handicaps us into fighting terrorists with kid gloves.

Close down Guantamo? I wish we could send Willis, Pelosi, Kennedy, and Hillary to live in Guantamo!

#25 ToxMan

Yo Quiero Appeasement?

:)

#18 Rob Crawford

I agree but I'll take this guy for what he says:

We took what could have been the first of many killing blows in Afghanistan and pissed the advantage away in order to pursue the Bush wet dream of invading Iraq. What could have been the first of many battleground wins in the war on terrorism…

He claims it would've been a win on the war on terror but chooses to ignore the fact the org. claiming responsibility cites both Afghanistan & Iraq, I just don't see how one could claim this was our fault and still support our actions in Afghanistan.

24 Piehole

You raise a good point. The idiots on the left love to say that "Clinton lied but nobody died."

If Clinton has acted to take out bin Laden, then perhaps 911 would not have happened.

So, if I were the lefties, I would stay quiet. Pres. Clinton didn't protect this country too well as it turns out.

Look at his picture on that blog. End of story. Next moonbat please.

I love the vapid,logical fallacies that these people spew to try to bolster their arguements,like:"Oh yeah, and where is Osama Bin Laden? Anyone on the right got an answer? Anyone?" and this pisses me off also: "Young Republicans don't have the guts to fight".

These types of arguements are so illogical they are totally irrelevant and we should just point that out to the moonbats instead of argueing with them.

Regarding "Olivers" rant ... The Right Hates Freedom & America (just as hapless as the REAL Oliver of old Laurel & Hardy)

You seem to be such an expert on the topic ... Thanks for clearing up that Hamid Karzai is NOT the leader of Afghanistan (re from your "post": "... Afghanistan from an oppressive fundamentalist state to a lawless narco-state with a puppet government in the form of Musharaf").
You simple minded twit ... bet you can't spell potato(e) either.
Oh yeah how did YOU do at Yale? (must have been the lock factory since you have such a closed mind)

Hell, ignore Iraq, what if the org. just said the bombing was for our actions in Afghanistan, how many on the left would still rush to blame us?

He's so angry, and so right, and so angry about being right that he's sick! Sick I tell you! Sick of it all! Waaah! The world's dumbest blogger having the world's silliest temper tantrum.

"But it’s clear that Al Qaeda does not fear us, frankly they probably think we’re idiots."

When roughly 30% of the voting public is against a War on terror and would prefer we make nice nice with the Whacko Islamic Murderers, why should Al Queda fear us?

And did I read wrong, but doesn't Oliver want the US to get tougher? Get tougher, but walk away from Iraq. Get tougher but stop the Republican crapping on us. Yeah, this guy makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised he didn't mention Hell E Burton.

Merovign (#22),

But George Bush "took his eye off the ball" and "outsourced the capture" of OBL.

Kerry wouldn't have done that.

#7, #11 "left's dumbest blogger"

You're right. He claims Musharaf is president of Afghanistan. A typo? We'll see how long it takes him to correct that. "Stupid is as stupid does."

"What a maroon!"
---Bugs Bunny

Nazi? Fascist? Those are funny ways to spell RACIST!

Oliver's new masthead.

The gig's up. They've found us out.

Darn those meddling kids! How did they know that we've got OBL working for slave wages at a 7-11 in California, keeping him hidden (and productive of frosty drinks) while we coast to victory after electoral victory?

Now, we have no choice but to give up our fascist plan of providing coca-cola-flavored frosties only to rich corporate lobbyists. And paving Gaia with concrete made from dead puppies.

The dream is lost!

#26 merovign,

LOL. That's good.

I pictured this dim-wit with flowers in her hair humming "If you're going to San Francisco."

Funny what kind of characters your mind can dream up when thinking of the left. But alas, being a conservative I can only picture them in black and white.

Amazing how so many of those talking points accurately describe DEMOCRATS... I think he got his parties confused...

I smelled something burning...like electrical wiring or something...it must have been "The rich smell of desperate cognitive dissonance wafting across the web."

All right Ollie, I can see where this is headed.

You want to do the Clinton thing, which means bite our lip in a weepy manner whenever terrorists kill innocent civilians, and try to "understand" the "root causes" of terror (which to you must include fighting terror). We should treat the terrorists with "compassion" and "therapy", because their actions are justified by their religion, or their social status, or by certain actions the U.S took or didn't take. And we should "fight" terror through the legal system, which means issuing indictments, giving suspected terrorists the best defense lawyers their money can buy, and forbidding branches of government from sharing intelligence with each other.

In which case, I hope the next terror attack vaporizes you clean off the planet. More air for the sane people to breathe.

#21 vero

Not only is he the left’s dumbest blogger, he is by far the ugliest of any blogger, lefty or righty.

I don't know about that, I blog and I am not very pretty myself :-D

#41 Cognosus,

No way man! I am sure that OBL has bought the Bill and Ruth subway sandwich shop here in town. He brought in 40 of his thieves to butcher lettuce and tomatoes.

If it's not him, he's got a twin brother. Flowing robes, goat cheese in beard, etc...

The job of the President of the United States in his or her role as Commander-In-Chief of our armed forces is to “provide for the common defense” of our nation.

I searched google but could not find any women presidents of the united states.

Charles is a Nazi,
there,
i feel better,
and i know it will make Oliver feel better.

take a couple of stress pills and rest,
you will feel all warm and fuzzy.

He claims it would've been a win on the war on terror but chooses to ignore the fact the org. claiming responsibility cites both Afghanistan & Iraq, I just don't see how one could claim this was our fault and still support our actions in Afghanistan.

Willis doesn't support our actions in Afghanistan. He supports what HE would have done in Afghanistan, not what WAS done.

The left has made a habit of supporting PERFECTION, but incessantly carping should actual humans be involved in the effort.

I never heard of this guy before, and I suspect that since publishing his rants on LGF, more people on the right know about him now than people on the left.

However, here is an alternate point of view about LGF from another leftie blog:

[Link: www.mydd.com...]

It appears the crazies can be conservative just as much as they can be liberal. Politics would be so much better if we could eliminate all the extreme nut jobs regardless of their political affiliations.

On a personal note, I’m sick of these guys. Sick of all of them.

Sick of the apologists in government, the media, and among the chattering classes. Sick of these people not giving a damn about dead civilians. Sick of the Republicans crapping on the American people. Sick of George Bush appeasing terrorists and doing nothing — nothing — to prevent terror attacks. Sick of having to wonder if the subway train I’m on is going to blow up, or if some yahoo will smash a plane into the White House a block and a half away from where I work, yet the President, his party and his apologists don’t give a damn because they’ve got a “mandate”. A mandate for immorality.

The words of a frightened, confused, delirious leftist. BUT he does claim he's is sick of his ilk, as witnessed by the emphasized portion of his drooling.

For it was, is and will be the left that are apologists, a majority of the media, among the chattering classes.

As to this Sick of these people not giving a damn about dead civilians. The question IS do you include the Israelis, Oliver?

ive always loved seeing that ass in the top right hand corner.

And another thing, Ollie looks like a fat slob. Pot will do that to you (give you the munchies and make you want to stay on the couch, and also make you paranoid as hell)

This guy averages ~4000 hit a day! WTF!

 #26

merovign  7/9/2005 03:03PM PDT
#19 goodbye_natalie

Yeah, when I saw the word "bilious" in that response, I got the image of a middle-age, balding man who dresses like a pirate almost every day.
At least he didn't say "scallywag" or "swab the decks!

AAARRRGGH! Thar she blows Capn... the rare White Liberal Whale... Teddy Dick!

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#50 RUBICON

out of all these comments they find ten comments that turns them on.
i wonder what the british blogs are saying about the islamsicks.
i bet it is hell ve lot worse.

 #53

Apu Pibat  7/9/2005 03:29PM PDT

And another thing, Ollie looks like a fat slob. Pot will do that to you (give you the munchies and make you want to stay on the couch, and also make you paranoid as hell)

Cheeks stuffed with Fritos... he has 12 padlocks on his door...

He doen't even realise how close he is to agreeing with us. He is just too focused on blaming the very people who are soley willing to do anything about it with the enemies actions to kill him on the subway.

No one has ever really considered that the reason there have been no recent attacks iside the USA is for the blinding fact that the last attack they launched immediately led to the fall of 2 counries where they could hide and operate without impunity. What do they think would happen if they succeded again in another attack?

In order to understand this type of thinking you have to stop thinking like a law biding caring familiy man and try thinking like a homicidal religeous bully. You will then understand why they won't attack inside the USA again without a WMD. It's easier to attack our friends one by one. It's less risky for them.

Yet, it is now abundantly clear that George W. Bush, the Republican Party, and their supporters simply do not care about fighting the terrorist threat in any real way.

This is coming from a liberal?

Smirky reminds me of the Forest Whitaker character from Good Morning Viet Nam…

…Pfc. Edward Montesque Garlick

55 Bubble Girl

AAARRRGGH! Thar she blows Capn... the rare White Liberal Whale... Teddy Dick!

Ahhh yes, I figured howie dean was a porn star, too BG...:).

They're so obsessed with not having caught Bin Laden yet. As if that would have truely stopped a dispersed operation with sleeper cells waiting for decades. They keep point out that it was a mistake to attack Afghanistan because it would have only caused the terrorists to splinter and spread out.

I admit that catching Bin Laden would be/have been DAMN nice. But who, besides Oliver, and such "thinkers", would have believed the GWoT would have ceased with Bin Laden's capture/death? Who besides Oliver, and such "thinkers", would have believed that Al- Qaeda would have gone away had Bin Laden been captured/killed? who besides Oliver, and such "thinkers", that Islamofascists' list of grievances would have ended had Bin Laden been captured/killed?

I can only think of one reason. Oliver, and such "thinkers", would have had America stop fighting the GWoT the moment Bin Laden was captured/killed. Why else the obsession with Bin Laden not being captured?

Geez...couldn't read past his first paragraph. How does this shit think we can fight the war on terror with our hands tied behind our backs due to the left!?! How can we nail the slimeage by reading them Harry Potter and handing them their religious items with gloves on! AND where the heck was he while Clinton let this shit build?

Scuse me while I practice my Right Wingnut Lockstep...

Semi-OT (OBL is part of it)

Anybody else catch last week's series of Pearls Before Swine?

This is rich...

Sez Mr. Curmudgeon on Ollie's blog "Don’t be scared, no one will hurt you. We are not those big, bad terrorists. We want them destroyed just as much as you do."

No you don't.

Not when your hero Michael Moore calls them "minutemen" "the revolution" and "freedom fighters"
Not when you celebrate when a few American soldiers are killed in Iraq and start wailing "Quagmire!"
Not when another one of your heros, Dick Durben, compares U.S. soldiers to Nazis, Stalin and Pol Pot, and complains the air conditioning at Gitmo is turned on too high.
Not when yet another of your heros, Lynne "Fat Ugly Pig" Stewart, assists terrorists in carrying out your attacks, and you wail that prosecuting her is an attack on her free speech and she just speaks up for "unpopular" people.

The only people you moonbats want dead are Jews, Christians, soldiers and conservatives.

Abu Pibat

Well spoken and 100% truth. I just wish a lefty would come in and say it isn't. (and then try to back it up with facts)

i recently started reading the full posts instead of just the snippet and comments. well, i went over and read this one and i just can't comprehend the irrationality. the comments are all about how wingnuts are stupid. no substance at all. i wonder if that is how it is on all the leftwing blogs. i doubt i can stomach the illogic i'd have to wade through to find out.

off to church and the movies. the guys want to see the new batman movie. they were all big comic book fans when they were kids. if it's lame, at least i will have spent the time with some good folks.

As I'm reading this slop by Mr Oliver, in the back of my mind I am thinking, "OK, I know you are pissed, but where are you offering a solution?"
Of course, he had none.
So, I start to read the commentaries and I see this one posted by Konch...

The solution is for those of us (the left) with a genuine motivation to solve world problems rather than live off the profits (clue, ever since Alexander Hamilton the financial class in America (the people who run the Republicans) has loved huge debts and deficits, because they get to service them) to go get Bin Laden ourselves.

I’ll write a proposal to Soros tonight. Couldn’t cost more than a few thousand bucks to get it done, then no more Iraq occupation, no more Bush, no more Rumsfeld (and there was much rejoicing), no more Cheney (whew, got sick of keeping so much garlic in the house), money for schools again, the resumption of the advancement of science, single payer health care…surely it’s worth the risk and minimal cost. I bet it’s easy as pie to cross the Pakistan/China border if you’re not flying a honking huge tax-payer funded helicopter that only half works.

If this guy can catch OBL for a few grand, I'll kiss his ass at the intersection of 9th and Figueroa St in downtown Los Angeles, at high noon!

#69
Yeah, that'll work (not). All we have to do is end poverty and hunger (or failing that, just play John Lennon's "Imagine" over and over again on all the world's radio stations), and there will be no more terror and we'll all hold hands and sing "Kum By Ya" and all that other happy shit.

These people just don't get it.

In L.A., I doubt if anyone would notice, or care.

Charles should stop recognizing pantloads like Willis. Just let them run around thinking how smart and important they are. They will continue to ostracize themselves,lose elections and look like morons.

So let me get this straight...O'Dub is saying that the Bush is a wuss and that he is soft of terorism. And that what is really needed is an agressive attack on all the nations of the Middle East!

Maybe O'Dub and Michael Savage are the same person?

56 ibmkeyboard

i wonder what the british blogs are saying about the islamsicks.
i bet it is hell ve lot worse.

---

Actually, it's not. They are saying,

[Link: www.werenotafraid.com...]

They had to deal with this before from the IRA. Their strategy is to go right back to using mass transportation and not let fear rule their lives.

Most of the English are not calling for bloody murder of all muslims. They realize this was the work of a few extremists, not an entire Islamic religion or the Mid East in general.

Fisking this article would be like shooting ducks in a pond. Still, isn't interesting that he asserts:

Sick of George Bush appeasing terrorists and doing nothing — nothing — to prevent terror attacks.

I bet it wouldn't take much time to find a quote where he bemoans the fact that the measures Bush has implemented to fight terrorism in the US (e.g., Patriot Act) are much to draconian and trample civil rights.

Also: there's no one right-of-center who believes that terrorism couldn't happen on US soil, or is indifferent to that possibility, as he so crudely asserts.

I often wonder if the left wing blogosphere is just one giant angry non-sequiter generator.

I gave the shmuck both barrells.

# 66

The only people you moonbats want dead are Jews, Christians, soldiers and conservatives.

Which is to say anyone who cannot fit into their new warm-fuzzy socialist collective.

If I have criticizism about the way the GWOT was being fought it is that we are only operating of the external fronts without dealing with the internal fifth column problem.

In checking "Oliver's home page", for some strange reason I keep wanting to try my best imitation of "Hey, Hey, Hey, It's FAT ALBERT!"

Is anyone else struck by the irony of an American ass being at the top of Willis' blog post?

I've never heard of this twit, but he's indistiguishable from your run-of-the mill DUmmie - for example:

The real problem isn't the Bush regime, but the American people themselves

Here's a choice bit:

Americans have descended into such cynicism, they think that dog eat dog always wins, they can buy their way into heaven and it's better to torture "[bigoted word]s" for their oil than to drive a diesel Peugeot or go vegetarian.

Got that? If we'd just drive French cars and eat rabbit food, those "[bigoted word]s" would buy us all a Coke & teach the world to chill.

80 brianstien

Peugeot's suck... any idiot would know that... I live in AZ and part time in Colorado.. I have never seen one here...

charles, you left out racist

That's some tirade.
It is a joke...right?

#21 vero

no kidding, if i was that ugly, i wouldn't have my picture up.

I left a comment, but it's "awaiting moderation"

Looking at that hosanna chorus I'd be surprised if Oliver allows commentors who disagree with him.

Anyway here's what I said:

# Joshua Scholar Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 9th, 2005 at 7:44 pm

"Do any of the wingnuts on the right seriously believe that if a terrorist can kill and injure people in London, England, that it can’t happen in Los Angeles, New York, Washington D.C., or any of a hundred of our cities?"

Of course they could hit us. I think the fact that they haven’t reflects Al Qa’eda’s acknoledgement that attacks on the US provokes us to do things like kick them out of Afganistan and sow democracy in the middle east - things which doom A Q’s long term goals.

I don’t think its a coincidence that all of the AQ arrests in the US involved people targetting the president. AQ figures that anything short of assasinating the president would cause a backlash without gaining them anything worthwhile.

It’s not that the Bush administration doesn’t want to make us safe from terrorism, its that they recognize that its impossible to make us safe in both the short run and in the long run at the same time, so they’ve wisely chosen a policy that may bring safety in the very long run.

The problem they’re facing is that modern technology means that the long term dangers are horrible. If those with terrorist idiologies secure a supply of WMDs then we’re in for a conflagration, and it’s inevitable that they’ll eventually get WMDs if their organizations last long enough.

So the only hope is to change the sick social conditions that allow the muslim world to favor terrorist groups - and that’s what’s being attempted.

The more I read drivel as promulgated by Willis and the like, the more I become convinced that we are seeing an evolutionary split occurring within the human race. Those who think like this will die out due to the Zionist red lights preventing them from excersising their right to walk across a street even while ignoring the 18-wheeler barreling down on the intersection. Seriously, there is an evolutionary fork in the road forming as a result of brain function alterations occurring within a larger and larger segment of the world-wide population. And the evolutionary fork they are headed down is a dead-end one.

Willis is a putz. He doesn't put up much of a debate on anything.

If he disagrees with you, he just starts screaming, "racist, homophobe, nazi, fascist," the typical lefty bullshit.

There are 2 classes of leftists.

1- The (classic) liberal-left, e.g. Christopher Hitchens.

2- The fascist-left (a post-1989 phenomena that is accelerating). These are people like DailyKos and Fisk and Pepe Escobar.

The fascist-left has far more in common with the fascist-right (Saddam, Khomeini, La Roche, Buchanan, Liu) than it has with the liberal-left.

#1 -so what's his point?

in a word-- dhimmi.

Sing along Ollie--

Dhimmi dhimmi
Bo Bhimmi
Banana Fana Fo Fhimmi

Dhimmi!

I left a comment that is "awaiting moderation" (whatever that means.) I was responding to two posts that were delivered from the highest ether of liberal nuance and elitist superiority:

heliotrope Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 9th, 2005 at 6:09 pm
Mr.Curmudgeon says:

“We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya, if given the chance; sufficiently degrading the terrorists support infrastructure amongst the native populations of the middle-east region and lowering not only the recruitment rates of the various terrorists organizations, but their potential success rate as well.

No one thinks it would have ended, we are certain however, that there would have been a greater percentage chance that it could end sooner and/or in a more successful fashion that is currently being demonstrated by the failed policies coming from this failure of an adminstration.”

Let us take those bold words at face value. Why on earth would anyone in this country not come the aid of the country in time of war? You are as much as saying that Gore and Kerry and the well established Democratic superstructure in Washington and throughout the 50 states can not find enough voice to express their calculated wisdom and to help the current administration beat the terrorists.

Is this just football to you guys or in the final analysis do you lack the confidence in your unelected voices to rise up with them and correct the course of this country that you have decided is in great peril?

There are newspapers, magazines, websites and talking head shows everywhere that would love to hear your plan. Speak up! Be brilliant! Show us all how wrong and stupid and chimp-brained we really are!

And grubi:

I have no more idea where Osama bin Laden is than you do. And I know that even Kerry wearing his magic hat and sneaking across the border in the dead of night is likely no better than the best we have sent to get him and who have been killed in distant climes in the attempt.

You demean those who are dedicated to the task with your flippancy.

My only true worry for you is that you are so timid of mind that when OBL is finally splattered across the mountain side, you will be the first to call it quits. War is over, lets hit the mall.

I wonder if Ali Babba drove a Peugeot and drank coke... anyway, i'm proud to be an American cynic. When is it that we get to start the torture and Fill our SUV's for free?

#81 Bubble Girl

Hear, hear!
I had to drive one, once.
It was terrible!
It had a top speed of 45 mph up a hill.

The only Peugeot you probably will ever see the one driving on the shoulder at 35 mph spewing black smoke and getting laughed at.

The problem is we have these parasites riding on the back of American Freedom like it's a county fair. They know we have to do the dirty work, but can point the finger at every mis-step that they were afraid to take in the first place. They say they invented "nuance" def.-somthing a simpleton conservative can never understand. But they talk in generalities,absolutes, and cliches. Besides being the best Monday morning quarterbacks we have, what else is there?

#58 egfrow

He doen't even realise how close he is to agreeing with us

That was quite a surprise to me as well. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a verbal argument that would bring about a necessary change in the attitude of left. That change, or epiphany would come after an event of the magnitude of 9/11, and then only to a relative few. The Chris Hitchens and Dennis Millers of the world are still very much on the left, with the exception of the GWOT. I'm not looking to convert any liberal voters to the conservative side. But, the debate on the just nature of our cause in the GWOT should have ended after 9/11. What we saw, however, was criticism, and use of words like "quagmire", etc., and a growing chorus on the left that could undermine the security of the country, all for the purpose of bleeding the Bush Administration.

This comment was very revealing:

It is plainly obvious that they do not care. The right only cares about the war on terrorism in the form of a political issue for their candidates to run on. They are interested only in running against Osama Bin Laden, not in destroying him and his network. If it means we have to live with a terrorist threat, with no strategy implemented to defeat it, and that ensures the existing Republican majority — to their twisted minds: so be it.

His concerns about the motivation of the right are similar to our concerns about the motivation of the left. Where he misses the point entirely, is in thinking that this is a strategy of sorts to ensure electoral victories. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I believe that our enemies in this struggle are more than a group of thugs, but are in fact a large and growing threat. As a free society, our choices are to confront the threat, or surrender to it.

It is the consensus feeling of those of us on the political right, that a democrat administration would be a complete national security disaster, and rightly so, imo.

Anyone who thinks the *Right* hates America and freedom is insane.

The Right is all about America and the traditional values that made America great. The Left is all about turning America into an immoral atheistic homosexual socialist dystopia.

The Right is all about freedom and defending the Constitution as it was written (i.e, the Constitution means what it actually says and not what you want it to say); the Left is about socialist totalitarianism, political correctness, and the tyranny of the moment (i.e., the Constitution means whatever we on the Left choose to declare it does). The Right will protects you; the Left will only oppress you.

The Right = America, freedom and decency. The Left = socialism, tyranny, and gay marriage/immorality.

The Left is the enemy of God and man.

92 Lori

LOL >...

Yep!

"It is the consensus feeling of those of us on the political right, that a democrat administration would be a complete national security disaster, and rightly so"

Excuse me. It is the EXPERIENCE of those of us on the political right that Democratic administrations ARE complete national security disasters.

You simply cannot trust them.

Yet, it is now abundantly clear that George W. Bush, the Republican Party, and their supporters simply do not care about fighting the terrorist threat in any real way.

Define real Mr. Willis. What would you do differently?

Any real way? That makes my blood boil. Nowhere in this brainless rant does he suggest anything that he'd do differently.

His supporters in the comments say:

We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya, if given the chance; sufficiently degrading the terrorists support infrastructure amongst the native populations of the middle-east region and lowering not only the recruitment rates of the various terrorists organizations, but their potential success rate as well.

Sounds great! And, exactly, how would they have done this? Kerry had his chance to enlighten us, but decided to forego the opportunity.

There have been plenty of missteps in the GWoT as practiced by PRESIDENT BUSH, but it's easy to see them once they've occurred. The left, like OW, screech "We wouldn't have done that!" but they never say what, exactly, they would have done.

...oh look...another nobody I don't read...let him make all the fantasies in his head he likes...doesn't make him right...

probably left...actually

"We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya"

OMG, that's the most insane statement ever. Someone has faith in those two broken reeds? Based on what? Kerry is more anti-American than bin Laden, and Gore has even less sense and leadership ability than Kerry does - and that's saying something.

Bush conquered the two countries that were the #1 and #2 terrorist threats. No Democrat has the balls to do anything 1% as good or as successful , Miller and Lieberman excepted, and they aren't really Democrats because they both still have a set and a brain and you can't really be a Democrat if you have either.

End of the first paragraph he writes:

What could have been the first of many battleground wins in the war on terrorism has essentially succeded in transforming Afghanistan from an oppressive fundamentalist state to a lawless narco-state with a puppet government in the form of Musharaf.

Musharaf is President of Pakistan. Karzai is President of Afhanistan.

No need for me to read any further.

#100 Malleus Dei

"We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya"

Pppfft. Whatever. Around 9/11, even my lefty friends were saying stuff like, "Thank G-d Bush is president" and "I'm glad Gore didn't win"...I guess that didn't last long, tho...

The Right Hates Freedom & America

Psychologists have a term for this sort of thing. It's called "projection".

Leftists know we know they are unpatriotic weasels, and it drives them crazy. Ollie's latest unhinged rant is an excellent example.

Garbage.

#101 Mellow Traveller

"Musharaf is President of Pakistan. Karzai is President of Afhanistan"

Nice catch.

I just surf by his page for the pics objectifying women...

MMmmm...

Nothing says insightful comment like boobies...

It's an interesting read, if you're an armchair shrink like I am. Sometimes people will take the things they dislike about themselves, place them on other folks and point it out. I'm sure there's some name for this, but the way to read it is as if he is talking about himself, the DNC and the left rather than conservatives.

The lack of critical reasoning in this screed shows why Oliver was unable to finish college. He would have likely failed my freshman composition course, and has never demonstrated the ability to make a rational argument.

Should anyone ever want to bring Oliver or his contemporaries to a dead stop, simply ask them the four little words that leave them mute:

"And your plan is...?"

Holy Smokes! Proof that Homeland Security is asleep at the switch. That douch- is actually allowed to work within a block and a half of the White House? Frightening.

#100 Malleus Dei

"We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya"

Don't know 'bought Gore or Kerry (Mom always said if you cannot say anything...), but I had a frank discussion with a socialist/democrat friend on about 9/12, basically, we both weren't so sure about Bush, but if we had an FDR we both would sleep in comfort.

Hmmm.

The only phrase that comes to mind is:

"Wha'chu talkin bout Willis?"

Seems appropriate.

They keep digging their grave!

#110,

"if we had an FDR we could sleep in comfort"...

yeah WE could...Eastern Europe couldn't.

#113 sven10077

"if we had an FDR we could sleep in comfort"...

yeah WE could...Eastern Europe couldn't.

Sorry 'bought that "Warsaw Pact" thing.

Did you got the point?

I learned to drive in a Peugeot. My dad, an old time leftie back to the '30s, loved them, and kept buying them almost till they stopped being imported. I had it up over 90 mph, and once, due to a super holeshot, shut down a GTO. Note, however, that it only had three lugnuts per wheel and didn't get any better mileage than anything else.

Tee hee hee...Ollie describes himself as a "liberal bomb thrower"

"Stoned slacker with a couch growing out of his ass" is probably closer to reality.

It is time for the Bush administration to cease its high crimes, to stop leaving America vulnerable to these attacks, to finally once again do the right thing and attack and eliminate the forces who wish to destroy us and our way of life. It is time, at long last, for the administration’s supporters to do the moral thing and use their positions and their influence to get the right thing done

This is just SAME TACTIC, DIFFERENT TOPIC. Another way to term is is PROJECTION. Whenever conservatives are effective at something (war on terror, here) the left turns it around and finds something that did not go well, or something that they interpert as a failure and then state that conservatives are failures. Also liberals are soft on foreigh policy, specifically the war on terror, so they think that if they turn it around and accuse republicans of not being successful at the war on terror that it will make them look better. Heaven forebid that they change what they are saying and doing, oh no, just attack republicans so they LOOK better. Or at least so they seem to think.

They can't seem to get it through their head that people see through this and it's one reason they are in the minority. (Not that they will admit they are in the minority. They still think democrats are the majority in the United States, and everyone else is just too dumb to know their point of view are right.

This is a new liberal talking point. I've seen similar things on other liberal blogs and message boards.

Re: Oliver Willis,

To quote a famous captain, "He's fruity as a nutcake." (Capt. James Tiberius Kirk in The Voyage Home.)

"We are confident that Gore and/or Kerry would have done a FAR BETTER job with the GWOT than Dubya"

Not real sure what those tactics are, but I am guessing it is the status quo from Carter thru Clinton (with the exception of Reagans attack on Lybia). What most rational/sane people have come to realize is that is what led to 9-11 and our "awakening" to the true threat that terrorism represents and marginalizing it does not work.

Thank you for your stupidity Oliver. It's your kind of bass-ackwards thinking that keeps idiot democRATS from elected office. As long as the L³ keeps thinking this way, it will be a long time before one gets elected to the White House.

"But it’s clear that Al Qaeda does not fear us, frankly they probably think we’re idiots."

There may be a few of the loony left who are willingly and knowingly being anti-American propagandists (either free-lance or under the direction of others). If they exist, I'm sure Al-Qaeda thinks they're brilliant.

But if by "us" and "we" Oliver Dubya means the loony left, he has unwittingly stumbled onto the truth.

Oliver Willis is hypocritical, arrogant, pompous, and thinks he's much smarter and more moral than he actually is. In other words, a typical shrieking insane leftist.

#121 Jim C.

"But it’s clear that Al Qaeda does not fear us, frankly they probably think we’re idiots."

Wouldn't it be cool if Bush or Wolfowitz
were bloggers? "Blogger Bush" - kinda has a
ring to it, eh?

This is the way their blog could have read
in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq:

The Iraqi people are ready to throw off Saddam,
all they need is the catalyst. We will use a few
thousand special forces troops to open a bridgehead
in southern Iraq. Once we have done that Iraqis
will pick up their arms and join us. Once Iraqis
begin to do that an avalanche will have begun.
The freed territory will grow and continue to grow
as more and more Iraqis join the fight. The Iraqi
army is also poised to turn against Saddam. We
will provide an umbrella of air cover for the freed
territory and disaffected Iraqi army units will
rally into the freed southern zone. Once army units
begin to join us more units will follow suit and
the entire structure of Saddam's regime will have
begun to unravel.

We will have captured some of the richest oil fields
in Iraq. The French and Germans will see the writing
on the wall and will want to be on the winning side.
Recognition by the international community will then
be possible for the freed zone and the grip of
Saddam on Iraq will come to a speedy end.

The money from the freed oil fields will be used to
pay for reconstruction of Iraq and the army units
that rallied in the southern zone can provide
security for the new Iraq.

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The above is the original Neozon plan for capturing
Iraq. It held sway with the politicos well into
2002.

Aren't you glad that pressure from the British and
from US generals caused them to take a reality check
and temper their plans?

Which do you wish for:
That the generals had applied less pressure,
or more?

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I can hear the righties right now:
"If you think we are idiots then you must be al-Qaeda."

U2 Brutus

What do you care, Brutus? You LLL types are hoping that America will lose the wa...errr...that Bush will fail anyway.

He's truly unhinged.