Do you think we live in a barn?

Quick, get in out of the heat!

Open threads are haraam in Islam.

Sasquatch seen in the Yukon

I want to know what he thinks of the Grewel tapes!

Whose side is Musharraf on?

PAKISTAN: WITH US OR AGAINST US?

Schizophrenic Elvis Loving Suicide Bomber

Sorry I didn't mean to I tripped over it and.well. sorry.

I like this story: ISRAELI soldiers killed a Palestinian militant as he was meeting a British reporter in the West Bank city of Nablus...

The first time I saw the term "Moonbat" used to describe our "loyal" opposition was here on LGF. Can this website take credit for coining the term "moonbat"? Or was that derived from somewhere else? Just wondering.

Carthage et Hollywood delendo est.

Ann Coulter writes;

Mission Implausible

Karl Rove was right. The real story about Joseph C. Wilson IV was not that Bush lied about Saddam seeking uranium in Africa; the story was Clown Wilson and his paper-pusher wife, Valerie Plame. By foisting their fantasies of themselves on the country, these two have instigated a massive criminal investigation, the result of which is: The only person who has demonstrably lied and possibly broken the law is Joseph Wilson.

So the obvious solution is to fire Karl Rove. . .

Hey, who left the thread open?

I wonder if Charles will ever run out of quips for the open threads.

(I must find more to occupy my mind.)

London Can Take It - Hitch

But another reflection now deposes the preceding one. In 2001 there was an enemy to hit back at, and some business to conclude with the Taliban. Since then, there has been unfinished business with Saddam Hussein and his notorious fedayeen. But from now on, we must increasingly confront the fact that the war within Islam is also a war within Europe. It's highly probable that the assassins of 7 July are British born, as were several Taliban fighters in the first round in Afghanistan. And the mirror image also exists. Many Muslims take the side of civilization and many European fascists and Communists are sympathetic to jihad.

These are not the bright, clear lines that many people fondly imagine to be heritable from a heroic past. But the nature of the enemy is somewhat similar. Like the fascists that they are, the murderers boast that they love death more than we love life. They imagine that this yell of unreason is intimidating and impressive. We shall undoubtedly go forward and put these grave matters to the proof but, meanwhile: Death to them and Long Live London!

Can/Will London Dish it out? - Me

Charles post from the Guardian yesterday and their op-ed's harping on Iraq today show how divorced from the details much of the mainstream press has become. Presumably they oppose the elected government of Iraq in power today. The Guardian isn't clear on specifics.

Yesterday a Sunni suicide car-bomber killed a Marine and dozens of children in a majority Shiite area. Infants were injured. When will the Left come to grips with the fact their beloved insurgents are trying to start a civil war not a civil government?

Hey, who left the thread open?

it was me, I was raised in a barn. sorry.

Don't forget! Take a moment and greet your friendly French national and wish them a Happy Bastille Day.

NOT!

slinkies:

Extremist clerics face prosecution for backing terror

Attacker 'was recruited' at terror group's religious school

How are we going to fight this war?

The doctrine that drives young men to murder

Then and now, evil always wants more

Pretty Good Column by Cal Thomas on The Root Cause of Terrorism My apologies if this has been posted already.

so, its against company policy at my mother's company to make personal phone calls, except in case of emergency.

so I get two phone calls from her while I'm on the phone with a town in NY.

I quickly call her back, thinking something happened to my dad's heart (which has been in bad shape lately). . .

what's she calling for? "hey lance... our company is making care packages for the troops, and it says on this list that one item they'd want would be comic books... Do you think you'd want to donate them?"

*sigh* made MY heart skip a beat when I got those calls from her.. lol...

#14 Macker

Not to worry...They're happy enough that A Frenchman won today's stage of the Tour.

Let them eat Brie...

Mentioned in earlier Dead Thread...

Meet the up and coming rap supa-star, Arabic Assassin!

Arabic Assassin, aka Bassam Khalaf, has been dissed, yo, by Uncle Sam, yo, just because he is real in his rap about wanting to hijack planes and fly them into buildings to kill the infidel, yo.

Muslim Houston TSA airport screener fired for being a rap star.

See, the US government forces Muslims to resort to terrorism by denying them job opportunities as airport security screeners.

#6 Midwest Pundit

Wow! So Charles was right with all the photoshopped pictures of the nuts holding the Elvis pictures! And here I thought it was because "Bubba Ho-Tep" played well in the muslim world because of its Egyptian antagonist.

#9 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This is the origin of the "moonbat" term according to Wikipedia

origin of Moonbat term

#11 greenmamba
Now you've got me worried. So, Charles: here are a couple suggestions:

For Classics majors only: Open thread! Quick, Theseus, follow it...

For general consumption:

Open thread! Tug on it and watch moonbats' unravel ...

I am sure I can come up with more but I must get back to work.

#20
Merci!

#19 Ed

see... didn't know you? Muslims came up with Rap Music...

in fact, Mo made the whole koran match a rap beat.

Muslims invented the internet too... and computers. they're so advanced...

*smirk*

Just got the following email:

Dear Steven,
The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (responsible for rebuilding at Ground
Zero as well as choosing the IFC for the site) is having a board meeting today. This
presents an excellent opportunity to make your voice heard!

If you are able, please take a moment to make a phone call and let the LMDC know
that you believe cutural institutions such as the IFC and The Drawing Center have no
place at Ground Zero and the memorial quadrant should be devoted to February 26,
1993 (first WTC bombing) and September 11, 2001 alone.

Lower Manhattan Development
Corporation Phone: (212) 962-2300
TTY Phone: (212) 962-0045
Fax: (212) 962-2431/33
Thank you for your continued support!
Sincerely,Robert D. ShurbetTake Back the Memorial

So I called, and the nice young man on the other end of the phone said I was the 120th caller (Do I get a T-shirt? I says) and that most of the callers didn't sound thrilled. I indicated I didn't want to hold that long, so he steered me here: [Link: renewnyc.com...] to make a comment.

So take five minutes of your day and tell the IFC to sod off, boys.

Suspected Insurgents Attack in Thailand:

BANGKOK, Thailand - Suspected Muslim separatists staged a twilight raid Thursday on a provincial capital in southern Thailand, setting off bombs and engaging in gun battles with security personnel, injuring 14 people, police said...

Thailand has been facing an escalating insurgency in its Muslim-dominated southern provinces since January 2004. About 900 people have been killed in violence in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat provinces blamed on Islamic separatists.

They can call them "separatists", they can call them, absurdly, "insurgents", but they can't use the T word.

Gotta love Bastille Day...

When the French Plan to Hand Out Free Wine

My heart bleeds...

#21 outfoxed

Open Threadame!

I must start work.

I wonder if Charles will ever run out of quips for the open threads.

Quips are ineffective for holding threads closed. what he needs is clips.

We need to drive the story of the Iranian Journalist Akbar Ganji to the Am people and the free world.

Sorry folks couldn't bare to miss this op to post this e I just sent to the WSJ re the brave Iranian journalist rotting in an Iranian prison in his attempt to catch the attention of the world to the struggle of the Iranian poeple for freedom from the tyrannical Islamofascist ruling theocracy.

***
Subject: MUST READ - Re Akbar Ganji (Iranian Journalist)

We need to drive the story of the Iranian Journalist Akbar Ganji to the Am people and the free world.

Dear Mr. Taranto,

The WSJ is one of the few places in the MSM that seems to get it and what is relevant in the world today. Keep up the good work.

Most of your other MSM colleagues are lost in "The Abyss," I'm sorry to report.

We need your help, PLEASE!

In the favorite phrase of Dr. Michael Ledeen, "FASTER, FASTER, PLEASE, and now!"

We need to drive the story of the Iranian Journalist Akbar Ganji to the American people and the free world. The MSM is ignoring this story. Mr. Ganji is heads above what now represents the White House Press Corps and for that matter a majority of other reporters too. Not entirely their fault as most MSM will not pay for great investigative reporters anymore. Doesn't meet the current model of Infotainment.

I'm sorry the paradigm is shifting. In the meantime we could use the help of the MSM to deliver a crushing and fatal blow to the enemy in the GWOT and not "root" for the enemy. Because this enemy of the free world, free thought, and the free will of men and women is their enemy as well.

See these several posts yesterday on a meme I'm threading for Dr. Zin of Regime Change Iran in comments threads through the Blogos.

In short the MSM has the ability to focus the attention of the Am people and the free world on the Mad Mullahs of Iran. They will melt like the Wicked Witch of the East in the Wizard of OZ under the intense light of the truth.

The Blogos now has the power to drive this story if but we can start the galactic dust cloud to coalesces on this center of hate and evil. In short we can deliver a crushing if not fatal blow to the enemy in the GWOT with the fall of the Iranian theocracy.

This is important for many reasons. The mullahs are on the verge of going nuclear the strategic consequences of which are unimaginable. This administration will not blink for one minute and allow this to happen. The Iranian people for the most part like America and for which it stands, however they are a proud and very nationalistic people. A full on military confrontations would not be good for all involved. The best option is for the Iranian people to effect their on regime change. The majority of the people who consider themselves Persian (Speak Farsi) detest the ruling Arabic minority theocracy. If it weren't for the hired armed Pakistani thugs controlling the masses, the mullahs would be at the mercy of the people.

The Iranian people need now more than ever in the next several weeks our attention. We are entering a critical window of strategic opportunity we need to exploit with all our resources. If we don't the other alternative will not be good and be very expensive to the American taxpayer.

So it is with in mind I'm sharing this comment posts re the ignominy of the incessant natterings of the MSM over the Rove Affair that is a tempest in a teapot all the while major events in world history are passing them by:

[Link: justoneminute.typepad.com...]

[Link: www.rogerlsimon.com...]

[Link: www.rogerlsimon.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

to be continued

Continued from above:

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]
[partly correct as to Muslims]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

and this is probably the most relevant of all and what we're up against with the LL and MSM all whacked out.

Short version the MSM has totally abdicated their responsibility and role that we the people gave them with the right of the free press to control those who we the people choose to govern.

The MSM is failing by filtering the news of the day from their own institutional biases to cover the significant news and events of the day while they are sensationalizing and focussing on non-stories pandering for viewers and readers. They are going down for the count.

As a denizen of the Blogos and are familiar with the meme of Hugh Hewitt - we are in a transformational period as great or greater than the time of Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation when control/filtering/interpretation of the news, thoughts, et al of the day were wrested from control of the aristocracy and the Catholic Church. I would compare the LL and the current MSM to the aristocracy as they are so full of themselves. The American people are not that stupid. The American people only need to be educated on affairs of the world and that's the MSM jobs to report, educate, and inform. Most of what now passes for news appearing on the front page above the fold is commentary/opinion that should remain on the OP-ED.

The paradigm is now shifting to the Net and the Blogos as the cost of the medium of communications is almost zero in comparison to the overhead of the MSM. The value of the info and predictability in one's daily life will be the balance of what is of value and not what the MSM believes it to be.

Thank you for reading this rant if you made it this far.

Please help in initating the world's first digital revolution. The Blogos now has the power to do this it just needs several sparks to set it in motion.

This could be something that sells papers.

Blessed be for the Net and the Blogos. Information can now freely transcend governmental boundaries and the filtering of editorial and conglomerate boardrooms:

***

Our media may no longer be a relevant provider of information. A new communication medium is now emerging. People are interconnecting via The Net, blog sites, and email just as this letter. News of events, ideas, and thoughts are freely flowing, unimpaired by political boundaries, or constraints and biases of the editorial and corporate boardrooms. This new collective medium has little overhead and has less need to generate a profit. It attracts audiences on value of the content. There is an inherent self-righting ability that limits extremes of thought and flawed group think.

The media has failed us, in its duty to inform and educate the American people, with its shallow infotainment coverage of the War On Terror. The people need creditable reporting, so we can make intelligent decisions in the upcoming presidential election. Some in the media believe the American people are too stupid to understand the complexities of the day?s stories. There is little drive or reward for excellence in reporting that is driven by a sense of duty and responsibility. The media has drifted into pandering for audiences and avoids hard stories. Hard news stories require a lot of time, effort, and resources. Hard news coverage requires a commitment to educate the people, report the facts without editorializing and sensationalizing, provide details as to the credibility of its sources, and then let the people from the story, form and draw their own opinions and conclusions I would strongly caution information providers and their media conglomerates never to underestimate the intelligence and creativity of the American people.

[...]

Excerpt from:

FREEDOM - Thx to The Greatest Generation for Preserving It

[Link: www.hspig.org...]

Ron Wright
Riverside, CA

Norwegian fjords win 'World Heritage' status

Two of Norway's most scenic fjords have landed on the United Nations' "World Heritage List," which hails sites of special natural or cultural interest. The aim is to preserve them for future generations.

If Madam Senator really thinks the way to pander to the right is by calling for Federal investigationss and regulation of video games she has an even worse political ear than John Kerry - if that's possible.

Tin ear pandemic spreads unchecked through DNC..

Taqiyya Watch...

CAIR launches a new PR campaign to convince us all that Islam is not about terrorism.

At a news conference in Washington, D.C., the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) will unveil public service announcements, to be aired nationwide, highlighting the Muslim community's condemnation of terrorism and rejection of those who carry out terror attacks.

The campaign is called "Not in the Name of Islam," and it includes an Arabic-subtitled version of the 30-second public service announcement.

"We often hear claims Muslims don't condemn terrorism and that Islam condones violence," American Muslims say in the ad.

"As Muslims, we want to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror in the name of Islam are betraying the teachings of the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad. We reject anyone - of any faith -- who commits such brutal acts and will not allow our faith to be hijacked by criminals.

"Islam is not about hatred and violence. It's about peace and justice."

Here's the rest of the story.

Karl called. I mean Mr. Rove.

He wants everyone singing this today (yes, even you taxfreekiller).

Sung to L-O-V-E

(you know, the Nat King Cole Song)

R is for the way he rips the press
O is how obviously he couldn’t care less
V is very, very lefty conspiracy
E is even more the left hates him than before

Rove is not what I will give to you
Rove is not going to play the fool
Rove in court can make it
Take my word and please don’t leak it
Rove is here for me and you

R is for the way you’ll run with smears
O is he’s the only one you fear
V is very very biased in your way
E is everyday, you won’t just leave and go away

Rove is going to come after you
Rove is more than a nightmare to you
Two in court won’t stop him
Take their notes but please don’t lose ‘em
Rove was made for me and you
Rove was made for me and you
Rove was made for me and you

6 midwest pundit

Just looking at the mug of that hideous Pakistani would give me the creeps if I were in teh London Udnerground.

Islam for Dummies

Send that one to your "Not Ready for Dhimmitude" friends and family.

14 macker

Only the idiot French would kill a King in the name of Liberte and then replace him with an Emperor.

Scylla and Charybdis has a posting on a link between Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald and everybody's favorite reporter, Judith Miller. They cite a WaPo article from Dec, 2001.

Judith Miller Tips off Terror Group

#24 Piecemaker: thanks for the heads up. I registered my comment (very politely, I might add).

Regarding your nic: Ya know, we've got a Peacemaker here too. Do you think this will get confusing?

#38

Sorry, wrong link. Here's the right one:

Judith Miller

39 doppelganglander

We have a Peacekeeper, too...

"Many people are so preoccupied with the notion that their own knowledge exceeds the average knowledge of millions of other people that they overlook the more important fact that their knowledge is not even one-tenth of the total knowledge of those millions. That is the crucial fallacy behind the repeated failures of central planning and other forms of social engineering which concentrate power in the hands of people with less knowledge and more presumption." Thomas Sowell

A woman was critically injured in the small village of Netiv Ha'asara, just north of Gush Katif (within the green line).

A few days ago a rumor (?) was put out that the Palestinians wanted this to be annexed to Gaza.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

So much for "getting the Jews out to a safer place"...where are all of those eager for this disengagement plan?

#39 doppel

we also have a peacekeeper.

Oh, and Good Afternoon (barely), all...

#41 loppyd

that's twice now you've beaten me to the punch... what purpose can I possibly serve now?

CTP

{Love Doctah}

How you doin'?

CTP...Ya gotta love Thomas Sowell...the embodiment of common sense!

#32 frankp_63 7/14/2005 09:01AM PDT

The junior senator from New York must have found out that when we play Halo at my house, we refer to the Grunts as "hippies," the Jackals as "Clintons," and the bulbulous Flood carrier pods as "Michael Moores."

(I beat Halo 2 in Legendary last night. Even my kids were impressed.)

The Annie al-Asi british jihadi protector who watched her terrorist buddy get whacked real name is Anne Gwynne. Charles post ended with a quote saying her real name was not known, by jordyptian police. Well, we know it.

An excellent post about Kerry-backer and Bush-basher Joe Wilson, and his history of lies and distortion:

[Link: volokh.com...]

Questions the "mainstream" media will never ask, in their quest to attack GWB via Karl Rove...
 

Beeb petition :-)

link

To: Prime Minister Tony Blair

Petition

We the undersigned, having observed and documented for many years gross examples of a virulent pro-militant Muslim bias by the BBC; now urge the government to take action against it. The failure of the BBC to properly report events and incidents of this nature around the world from the perspective of a free democracy against this threat, while being financially supported by law within that democracy is untenable, and further increases the threat to our society.

While we can only conjecture at the motives of the BBC to maintain this bias, even after we have ourselves been attacked, it is clear that it is not accidental, and shows this organization to be completely without morals and acting completely against their remit, while using their status to lend credibility to their stance. Appeasement of the Nazis led to many more lives being lost in World War 2, as it now does with militant Islam by providing excuses for them to perpetrate and further their strategy of divide and conquer within our society.

Either the license fee, which gives the BBC their present status and credibility to be used as a tool by the many despotic and totalitarian regimes that the BBC also serves, should be ended, or the BBC should be held accountable and firmly monitored under the penalty of treason should this bias continue.

We urge the government to act promptly and deal with this internal menace to our society before more lives are lost as a result of this continuing bias.

Sincerely,

#45 hey ctp

How's college life?

#38 (regarding Judith Miller)

Saw my first “Free Judy” bumper sticker yesterday on a VW in Boston. They also had “Jail Rove” and “W-rong - 04”. It did make me laugh. They are quick with those kind of things around here.

After all, it’s Boston.

lopps

Doing well, thanks, but a thunderstorm is a-rollin' in, and Loppy's Lab is desperately trying to climb into my lap...

Eschew-Obfuscation

Couldn't agree more. Sowell is the man -- here's today's Random Thoughts.

lance

Hey. College life is good, not much going on. How was your date?

#56 ctp

cancelled. I have one tonight though. different girl.

must be rough in college *grin* what's the quote from Dazed and Confused? "I keep getting older... but they stay the same age..."

#41 loppyd: Maybe that's what I was thinking. So I guess I'm the only one who's confused :)

I didn't want it hitting me in ass on the way out...
/poof

54 Blue Chip

Blech.

Haven't seen any Free Judy stickers yet...but I'm sure it's just a matter of time now.

Sigh.

#57 lance

Yes, I age but they stay the same -- no matter, really, as they are all off limits either way...

55 ctp

Poor girl...let her up, already!

#54 Blue Chip: Every time I hear Judith Miller's name, I think of Gilda Radner in a Brownie uniform, bouncing on her bed on the old SNL: "It's The Judy Miller Show!"

#54 Blue Chip

Actually, all that just gives me a feeling of schadenfreude... Much like "Kerry/Edwards" stickers on cars I go by on the highway...

#61 ctp

yup.. and that's because professors who didn't think they should be off-limits did things they shouldn't have.

while I was in college, someone who went on internship had to leave where they were interning due to 'improper relationship' with one of the girls in the youth group.

y'ick.

58 doppelganglander

So I guess I'm the only one who's confused :)

Au Contraire...story of my life!

Received this email today from the Take Back the Memorial people:

""The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (responsible for rebuilding at Ground Zero as well as choosing the IFC for the site) is having a board meeting today. This presents an excellent opportunity to make your voice heard!

"If you are able, please take a moment to make a phone call and let the LMDC know that you believe cutural institutions such as the IFC and The Drawing Center have no place at Ground Zero and the memorial quadrant should be devoted to February 26, 1993 (first WTC bombing) and September 11, 2001 alone.

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation
Phone: (212) 962-2300
TTY Phone: (212) 962-0045
Fax: (212) 962-2431/33
Thank you for your continued support!

Sincerely,

Robert D. Shurbet
Take Back the Memorial"

Make the phone calls folks!

64 ctp

Kerry/Edwards stickers are like a badge of honor up here. It's a liberal accessory...

#62 lopps

Normally I would, but I've got a pot of sauce simmering and I need to get up every 10 minutes or so to stir it so it doesn't burn...

World Controlled By 'Zionized American Right-Wing Fanatics'

Scroll down for bonus video:

Qatar TV: Shiek Explains Why a Dailogue With Christians is Acceptable, But Not With Jews

69 ctp

Now that was just plain ol' mean.

Pot of sauce...I'll give you a pot of sauce.

:)

now I need to get lunch

Charles,

Here is an interesting picture of one of the London terrorist bombers, a 30-year old elementary school assistant teacher, alongside a no-doubt multiculturally sensitive British lady.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

#58- dopplerradergangler-

;)

I am Piecemaker more places than just here. My constituents would be disappointed if I went by plain old Steven...

Thanks for sending a message. I appreciate it, and I know the families of the killed "technocrats" do too.

Emily still looks like it hits between La Pesca and Tampico, and spares Texas direct imapcts, other than a few rain squalls, maybe an isolated tornado, and winds blowing to near tropical storm force on South Padre Island.

I never went to South Party Island. I got the crappy VEAP program when I was in the Navy, they wouldn't let me join the "New GI Bill" because I was already in VEAP, and I paid $2700 to get $8100 back six years later spread over 4 years.

So I had to work during college, and never got drunk on Spring Break.

You all probably don't appreciate this, but the center of Hurricane Emily, 3 km above the sea, is 10^oC warmer than the edge of the storm.

Serious heat being released.

BTW, when reading weather discussions, the term "warm core low" usually refers to tropical lows. While mid-latitude (aka "polar") lows get colder, relative to their surroundings, with height, tropical lows get warmer, relative to the surroundings, with height.

Which is so cool, really. Look at this water-vapor loop. While the low and mid-level clouds rotate counter-clockwise (cyclonically) toward the center of the hurricane, the highest clouds, the feathery looking cirrus, actally flows anti-cyclonically away from the hurricane

#68 loppyd

It’s a massive case of PEST.
They refuse to accept reality. I still have people tell me it was a “stolen election- count all the votes-fill in your favorite conspiracy here”, etc.

I get more dirty looks from people in the Boston area when I wear my “W-04” baseball cap. I ignore them.
So much for “diversity” and “minority view points”.
Hypocrites.

#74 AI

and that is why my date is tonight and not tomarrow... SG1 here I come.

Yet one more reason to question Lefties and their worldview. SF votes 8-3 against having USS Iowa berthed in the city as a floating museum.

Seems as though SF forgets what the Iowa did during WWII and Korea to protect and defend this nation and those whose freedom was under fire.

You know - defending the liberals from the Japanese who attacked this nation in a surprise attack, and defended the South Koreans (and the UN forces that included the US) from the North who invaded the South.

Inflation absent; retail sales jump; jobless claims rise

Wait...I thought Bush was going to run the economy down the crapper.

Tokyo Governor Sued for Insulting French

In their suit, the plaintiffs accused Ishihara of saying: "French is a failed international language because it cannot be used to count numbers."

Playing of Sept. 11 phone calls leads to apology

DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. (AP) — City officials apologized for playing a song during Fourth of July celebrations that was mixed with voiceovers of 911 calls from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"Everybody was in a really good mood, and all of a sudden this cloud of doom," said Siobhan Mangan. "It just seemed terribly inappropriate."

What happened to Never Forget?

#50 justDanny

Thanks for that link. I'm always looking for new (monitor) wallpaper and the shot of the 2 blindfold chapppies with the muzzled German Shepherd is perfect.

(I should really thank Annie too.)

#76 Blue Chip

the most fun I had in Minneapolis was when I wore my savage nation ball cap in Uptown. So many dirty looks.

Well, right now there is this "demonstration" in England so all of England can "Come Together". Code for, "Its on a tiny few...Its just the small jihadists..Lets not paint this community with a broad brush...Dont you DARE be mean to Islamists." Then what follows are same old EXPLANATIONS and EXCUSES for what happened.

What has happened in a few instances in Britian is WRONG. Just going after murdering any Muslim you come across is wrong. America didn't do much of that and I'm glad of that.

Everyone needs a Realistic Approach and Behavior to a Real Problem.

Gotta love Bastille Day...
When the French Plan to Hand Out Free Wine
My heart bleeds...

Apprently, they're giving away rifles, too. Dropped once, never fired...

#81 Ai

friend of a friend type of thing. dinner and a movie. a little delay as the sitter can't show up at her place until 6, but that's ok, as the movie probably won't start until 7 or 730... whatever we end up watching.

Looks like those Hollywood Leftists are at it again;

'Cooter' Urges Fans to Skip 'Dukes' Movie

If television's "Crazy Cooter" has his way, fans of the "Dukes of Hazzard" may be speeding away from a new movie version of the cornpone classic faster than the Duke boys running from Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane.

Ben Jones, a former Georgia congressman who played the wisecracking mechanic on the popular series from 1979-85, said profanity and sexual content in the film make a mockery of the family friendly show.

"Basically, they trashed our show," said Jones, who now lives in the mountains of Washington, Va. "It's one thing to do whatever movie they want to do, but to take a classic family show and do that is like taking "I Love Lucy" and making her a crackhead or something."

Jones said he read a script of the movie, which is scheduled to be released next month, and that it contained profanity, "constant sexual innuendo and some very clear sexual situations."

See also Box office blues stem from blue-state bigotry

Abu Ghraib! Gitmo! Eeeek!

Yes..yes Blair..Why dont we all "reach out".

A mosque for ex-Nazis became center of radical Islam

[Link: www.post-gazette.com...]

Snip:

MUNICH, Germany -- North of this prosperous city of engineers and auto makers is an elegant mosque with a slender minaret and a turquoise dome. A stand of pines shields it from a busy street. In a country of more than three million Muslims, it looks unremarkable, another place of prayer for Europe's fastest-growing religion.

The mosque's history, however, tells a more-tumultuous story. Buried in government and private archives are hundreds of documents that trace the battle to control the Islamic Center of Munich. Never before made public, the material shows how radical Islam established one of its first and most important beachheads in the West when a group of ex-Nazi soldiers decided to build a mosque.

The soldiers' presence in Munich was part of a nearly forgotten subplot to World War II: the decision by tens of thousands of Muslims in the Soviet Red Army to switch sides and fight for Hitler. After the war, thousands sought refuge in West Germany, building one of the largest Muslim communities in 1950s Europe. When the Cold War heated up, they were a coveted prize for their language skills and contacts back in the Soviet Union. For more than a decade, U.S., West German, Soviet and British intelligence agencies vied for control of them in the new battle of democracy versus communism.

Yet the victor wasn't any of these Cold War combatants. Instead, it was a movement with an equally powerful ideology: the Muslim Brotherhood. Founded in 1920s Egypt as a social-reform movement, the Brotherhood became the fountainhead of political Islam, which calls for the Muslim religion to dominate all aspects of life. A powerful force for political change throughout the Muslim world, the Brotherhood also inspired some of the deadliest terrorist movements of the past quarter century, including Hamas and al Qaeda.

The story of how the Brotherhood exported its creed to the heart of Europe highlights a recurring error by Western democracies. For decades, countries have tried to cut deals with political Islam -- backing it in order to defeat another enemy, especially communism. Most famously, the U.S. and its allies built up mujahadeen holy warriors in 1980s Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union -- paving the way for the rise of Osama bin Laden, who quickly turned on his U.S. allies in the 1990s.

Munich was a momentous early example of this dubious strategy. Documents and interviews show how the Muslim Brotherhood formed a working arrangement with U.S. intelligence organizations, outmaneuvering German agencies for control of the former Nazi soldiers and their mosque. But the U.S. lost its hold on the movement, and in short order conservative, arch-Catholic Bavaria had become host to a center of radical Islam.

#89 Ai

no. we chatted on the phone a couple times setting everything up. she seems nice. (I offered to pay for the sitter, but she wouldn't let me, which tells me she's not after my money.. ha... like I have money..)

Charles, how long are you going to have that ridiculous fitness ad with the bald guy on the right side of your page? His backbending pose is particularly ludicrous.

I guess the answer to my question is "as long as he pays up."

U.S. to test airliner missile defense

Italy bans U.S. security guards from Winter Games

ROME (Reuters) - Italy will not allow the United States or any other country to bring its own security personnel to guard athletes during next February's Winter Olympics, the government official in charge of the Games said on Thursday.

"Italy is perfectly able to guarantee security," Mario Pescante, Undersecretary and Extraordinary Commissioner for the Turin Olympics, told a news conference.

"I exclude categorically that the U.S. team or any other team will be able to bring people for their own security."

(Sorry for the Reuters link)

Gordon never noticed the floor-humper before?

#95 Gordon

Hello, Gordo.

Which one are of the Gordos are you?

I think you should identify yourself when you post here in case anyone wants to pick a nit about something your Gordo-ness has said in some other post.

I hope you itch today.

I mean that in a nice way. Sort of. ;)

#99 Ed

Gordon never noticed the floor-humper before?

Oh, he noticed.

Gordo has had a falling out with the guy, that's all.

Gordon

Several weeks ago you were going to provide the links to the JFnK Military records so we could all see your assertions that he was a true war hero.

I somehow missed the link.
Could you repost it here please?

Also, as you have the inside scoop into so many things,

Who do you think Judith Miller is protecting?

So many of us want to know,
throw us a bone here, please

#94 AI

I hope she isn't as 'grab happy' as the last date this person set me up with.

I'm wanting to think about settling down, not playing 'friends with benifits' . . .

Gordo is Schumer!

Lincoln University Professor Siddique is on the hot seat;

Jewish human rights groups are urging officials at Pennsylvania's Lincoln University to condemn the statements of a professor who has expressed support for an armed jihad against the West and skepticism about the World War II Jewish Holocaust.

Cybercast News Service reported Tuesday on the controversial statements made by Dr. Kaukab Siddique, a professor of English and journalism at the predominantly black Lincoln University in Chester County, Pa.

Has a fight for Europe begun? War comes to the heart of Europe.

#105 Terp mole

I have a friend in PA... I keep trying to convince them to move for that very reason... too many creepy leftists and such.

If anybody wants to get truly worked up, check out this clown cartoonist, Andy Singer, here.

Cartoon Clown - Andy Singer

Reposted now in appropriate thread - I thought this is so cool.

Baton Rouge Marine Awarded Silver Star

A 32-year-old Marine from Baton Rouge will receive the Silver Star today for bravery in combat while serving in Fallujah, Iraq, last year, military officials said Wednesday.

Maj. Jason E. Smith of the 3rd Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, will be awarded the nation's third-highest medal for valor during an 11 a.m. ceremony at the Naval Air Station-Joint Reserve Base in Belle Chasse. Smith was a captain while serving in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom II.

Smith's father, Walter Smith, received the Silver Star during the Vietnam War.

The NY Times has a story regarding a New Hampshire town's attempt to force action from INS and Homesland Security on illegal immigrants. The implications with regards to anti-terrorism efforts are *crystal* clear, but it would appear that local authorities are hindered by Federal reluctance to pursue these immigrants, particularly if they are from Mexico.

Town Uses Trespass Law to Fight Illegal Immigrants

One day in April, Jorge Mora Ramírez stopped his car on the side of a road in the small southern New Hampshire town of New Ipswich and was making a cellphone call when a police officer approached him.

The officer questioned Mr. Ramírez, a 21-year-old Mexican who acknowledged that he was in the country illegally, and the New Ipswich police tried to get federal immigration authorities to arrest him. But when immigration officials demurred, not considering him a priority given scarce enforcement resources, the police acted on their own. They took the highly unusual step of charging Mr. Ramírez with criminal trespassing, and held him overnight.

"I wanted the federal government to understand that I was going to take some type of action," said the New Ipswich police chief, W. Garrett Chamberlain. "If I can discourage illegal aliens from coming to or passing through my community, then I think I've succeeded."

The usual progressive suspects abound, but the most interesting detail is who is paying for his defense:

The case against Mr. Ramírez, who lives in Waltham, Mass., and was working as a construction worker here in Jaffrey when he was charged, is also being watched by civil liberties advocates and the Mexican government, which is paying for his lawyers.

OT/RED ALERT/DRUDGE REPORTING!

U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer and Ambassador Joseph Wilson will hold a press conference at 3:00pm TODAY, July 14, 2005 in the Mansfield Room of the U.S. Capitol to call for the suspension of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove' security clearance until the investigation of the leak of CIA Agent Valerie Plame's identity is resolved.

/oh the humanity!

#109 dean

why is it that lefty sites always have annoying popups?

While some weather-oriented people try to sell you on Texas, I'd like to note the virtues of Florida.
Siesta Beach
is near where I grew up.

Orlando has dozens of golf courses and all the attractions as we say. I'm sure a certain Ed has been drunk in Orlando many times, on the OBT in fact.

#67- foreign devil-

I'd already posted that, but I'm heartened to see it reposted!

When I called, they said 120+ people were on hold ahead of me. I can't jam the lines, so I sent an email from their site. [Link: www.renewnyc.com...]

#95 Gordon

Charles, how long are you going to have that ridiculous fitness ad with the bald guy on the right side of your page? His backbending pose is particularly ludicrous.

I guess the answer to my question is "as long as he pays up."

If we hadn't already invested in a Bowflex I'd consider doing something like that. Free weights are or can be dangerous.

But, yeah, he's everywhere. This guy bought some blogads.

#114 beagle

While some weather-oriented people try to sell you on Texas, I'd like to note the virtues of Florida.

but in Florida, the evil white conservative males keep the poor people from voting...

isn't that what Al Gore and the 2000 election taught us? *grin*

lancekates: I have a friend in PA... I keep trying to convince them to move for that very reason... too many creepy leftists and such.

... you don't disguish between Filthadelphia and red-state Pennsyltucky?

Many folks don't realize deep blue Maryland is actually red-state outside the Balt-D.C. metro area-- thus, Governor Erlich. Every election cycle, 2 counties (inside the D.C. Beltway) and Baltimore City go hard Left... the rest of the state generally votes Right. The Civil War never ended for the Olde Line State-- Maryland remains occupied territory by transient D.C. Leftist carpetbaggers.

76 Blue Chip

It's quite pathetic.

I wear my W'04 cap with pride and often as possible...I relish the looks of disgust it causes on the Moonbat faces.

The party of peace and tolerance has vandalized my car three times - ripping of Bush/Cheney stickers, stealing my Support the Troops ribbon,
and a nice key mark down the driver's side door that I discovered after working the phones at Campaign HQs the night before the election.

The reasons I hate it here are starting to outweigh the reasons I stay...

How did Beagle know I've been drunk on the OBT?

Although, back when I was young and pagan and feared DWI's, I went to either a movie-theater with a bar inside on the street oustide NTC Orlando 32813, or the topless bar across the street (not far from an executive airport).

Stupid that they closed Orlando and left Great Lakes open.

Wow! A rare random troll sighting. While troll appearances are usually predictable, they sometimes just pop up without warning.

'Why is the Guardian employing an extremist Islamist?

Melanie Phillips - sorry if posted before.

#139 terp

they live in a pittsburg suburb.

lancekates: they live in a pittsburg suburb.

Gotcha. Cultural Mecca of the Leftist Union thug.

#121 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Great Lakes is gone and in it's place is upscale housing. Ft. Sheridan is also history.

#121 Ed

How did Beagle know I've been drunk on the OBT?

Naval profiling.

Eco-tourism at South Padre Island, which might have 70 kph winds with rain squalls Monday night and Tuesday, but nothing serious, rather an excuse for an evening of romance.

BTW, unlike Orlando, SPI is only minutes from exciting Matamoros, Tamps, MX LGF-ers should enjoy visiting a city named for Santiago Matamoros, or Saint James the Muslim Slayer.

And, it has been over 16 years since Mexican Satan worshippers kidnapped any UT Pre-med students down for Spring Break, and ate his brain in order to earn spiritual protection for their marijuana smuggling ring. And brain eating isn't even a big Mexican activity, the leader of the gang was a Cuban immigrant.

#125 Terp mole

yup.. union city.

I fully hold that Unions served a purpose, at a time when business owners really did not care about workers... but after the 40 hour work week, and the option for health care (some states require that the employer pay the health care, others require they pay at least 50%, others require that the offer it)... they really don't seem to serve a purpose.

nor do they seem to really help the worker.. maybe that's just my jaded opinion.

Great Mistakes is gone? Where do they train recruits?

Ed
Relax
GLakes is still there.

#114 Beagle
Anna Maria Island is one of Florida's best kept secrets. Spent a great weekend there with an old girlfriend about a decade ago... Beautiful place...

Ed
It's a .mil link.
Will it open for you?

NTC Great Lakes

#113 LanceKates 7/14/2005 09:55AM PDT
#109 dean

why is it that lefty sites always have annoying popups?

That allows them to whine about capitalist pig, neo-con (joo), domination of the internet...

oh...and it helps pay their bills

One way to take on the ROP(ma) AND the MSM/LLLs plus drive them crazy is to check out the new [Link: www.GOP.com...] -- support the American team fighting on all fronts, foreign and domestic!

#135 eschew

That allows them to whine about capitalist pig, neo-con (joo), domination of the internet...

I find it interesting that they all want to rail against big business and capitalism... but they all want to be rich and successful (which is what a big business is.)

truth is, like the rest of us, they want 'money for nothing and chicks for free."

unlike the rest of us, they think they deserve it, and we think we should work for it.

#51 William

Volokh offered some nice questions for the Today show. I'm afraid they didn't exactly pick up the ball and run with it.

Transcript of Today's Interview with Wilson

So they get an "exclusive" and they ask "what do you think of Karl Rove?" Inexcusable.

133 ctp

Looks beautiful...

When I think Florida I think strip malls, not places like that.

#139 lopps

It really is beautiful. And when I was there at least, affordable. Not sure about not, haven't been in FL since '98, IIRC.

139 loppy

is that malls where people go to strip?...

BOOBS!

Good idea! I think I'll head to Anna Maria next weekend!

45 mins from here.

#138 Vercingetorix 7/14/2005 10:15AM PDT

Are you French, by chance?...or did you just manage to find a Gallic figure who actually won something (your nic)?

(not trying to tweak you, just honestly curious)

140 ctp

I doubt it's still affordable...Florida is getting very pricey. My mom didn't get any bargains on real estate when she lived there.

The Carolinas are where it's at!

141 Pax

Peacekeeper will be sad if we talk about boobs without him...

#141 paxnhymn 7/14/2005 10:20AM PDT
139 loppy

is that malls where people go to strip?...

BOOBS!

Uh oh...there goes the thread...

143 eo

just remember my friend that no one has ever invaded Coona*s territory...for French folk that's a win!

:-)

#144 lopps

I'll agree with that... When are you gonna come visit?

Ed,
I'm leaving for Carlsbad Caverns today via Las Vegas. Any good watering holes in New Mexico?

I want it to go on record that I did not start the boob talk.

Now, that doesn't mean I won't be partakin' in it...

#139 LoppyD

When I think Florida I think strip malls, not places like that.

Sounds like you've visited Florida along the edges and haven't ventured much into the interior. Miles and miles of orange groves, cattle, farmland.

Boobs in the mornin'...
boobs in the evening...
boobs at supper time...

(doin' the Snoopy dance)

As I said the other day, just call me "tat"...

150 loppyd

Isn't your bra more qualified to talk about boobs?

#134 Village Idiot's Apprentice
#131 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I'm sorry guys. I was thinking of Great Lakes Naval Air Station that closed in 1998. I use to work across the street from it back in the early 80's. That was in Glenview Illinois.

#155 tankdemon 7/14/2005 10:27AM PDT
150 loppyd

Isn't your bra more qualified to talk about boobs?

That's right! Now that you mention it, I do remember something in a thread a while back about a talking bra...and IIRC it involved Loppy!

What's ironic about the whole Rove "scandal" is that, in the end, Rove will be getting fired for telling the truth while Wilson will be made a hero for lying through his teeth.

I liked Orlando a lot better than North Chicago.

OT from the boobs discussion -

From Jihad Watch we have this - British bombers likely recruited at Government funded centre

LEEDS -- The transformation of four young British men into terrorists appears to have taken place at a government-funded storefront youth centre in Leeds that, according to youth workers, was a hub of radical Islamist activity.

The centre was sealed off and searched by police yesterday after three of its workers said in an interview on the street outside that at least two of the suicide bombers had been "very regular" visitors at all hours to the Hamara Youth Access Point, and a third had been seen there occasionally.

"It had become so radical and so hateful that I asked if I could stop working there," said one of the workers, who along with two others described the storefront drop-in centre as a hub of radical Muslim politics and a hotbed of Islamic organizing, routinely hosting mysterious figures to speak about extremist politics.

#113 LanceKates

why is it that lefty sites always have annoying popups?

LOL - A couple of weeks ago, I was cleaning up a Liberal Friend's computer...542 viruses! When his wife saw that, she mumbled something about they must be from all the Bash Bush websites...

It was all I could do to not say something really sarcastic

Gun nuts or potential gun nuts should read this.
Harry Beckwith was my hero when I shot at his range. The massive shootout came after I knew him.

158 targetpractice

ain't gonna happen my friend. W's pretty loyal, and he's got nothin' to lose..no election at stake. And no matter how hard the Rino's cry he'll stick by Rove, because he ain't doin' McCain etal any favors, as many times as they've broken it off in him! Rove ain't goin' nowhere!

NOW CAN WE PULEEZE GET BACK TO THE BOOBS!?

#161 American Infidel

I do not think he will be fired...

Regardless of whether he's found guilty or not (which I doubt he will be), Bush made the nation a promise that he'd fire the leaker. While I'm sure he could argue that, at the time, he assumed that a crime had been committed, the Dems are going to hold him to that promise.

ctp

I like the West Coast. Siesta, Long Boat, Lido all near where I grew up.

St. Augustine on the East Coast is great. Go see the Castillo de San Marcos over the Bridge of Lions. There was a nasty fight between the French and Spanish nearby. The Spaniards ended up putting some Frenchmen to the sword.

Horrible story of a cop killing near St louis

#166 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bush made the nation a promise that he'd fire the leaker.

Do you have the quote? I have never heard / read him saying that, only the assertion. I'd like to read / hear what he said for myself.

TBOBW

Bush made the nation a promise that he'd fire the leaker

Earlier, someone asked if that was indeed an accurate quote.

The only thing we can find is something to the effect/affect of He would "Take Care" of anyone caught.

If there is an actual quote out there using the word "Fire" in it, can someone link it please.

148 ctp

Maybe October...

#167 Beagle

That's where I grew up too. Is Lido still topless I wonder?

They still have those little beach house/cottages on Longboat for rent. We went every year for a week or two when I was a kid.

Hi friends,

For those of you following the issues for the Ground Zero memorial, you may want to voice your opinion... Received this e-mail today.

Thanks,
SOTG
---

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (responsible for rebuilding at Ground Zero as well as choosing the IFC for the site) is having a board meeting today. This presents an excellent opportunity to make your voice heard!

If you are able, please take a moment to make a phone call and let the LMDC know that you believe cutural institutions such as the IFC and The Drawing Center have no place at Ground Zero and the memorial quadrant should be devoted to February 26, 1993 (first WTC bombing) and September 11, 2001 alone.

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation
Phone: (212) 962-2300
TTY Phone: (212) 962-0045
Fax: (212) 962-2431/33
Thank you for your continued support!

Sincerely,

Robert D. Shurbet
Take Back the Memorial

151 Swamps

You are correct...I've spent time on both coasts, but never inland. My dad lives in Delray Beach.

I’m not particularly fond of the French but as it is Bastille Day and all….

Happy Bastille Day France!

#149 UFO TOFU

It was decades ago, and I was but a wee kid, but I recall a town, Newman TX, en route from El Paso to Carlsbad Caverns. Little bitty place. Population was under 100. It had three bars, and one general store / gas station / post office. You might check it out.

So, today I guess we're talking about roving boobies, no? Sounds ... dare I say it? tittillating ... to me ::smirk::

154 AI

PK has been out straight at work...

157 E_O

Guilty as charged!

I've heard the quote from Bush, and he specifically indicated he would take action (paraphrasing) if somebody broke the law -- from everything I've seen, read and heard, Rove broke no law...

176 Jeannette

Hey there!

LOL...

#169 Lightning man

I think the only quote I've heard is president bush saying that they'd 'take care of' whomever leaked this information.

someone else in the admin might have said the 'we'll fire him' bit.. but I could be wrong.

#171 lopps

That's a good time of year here...

#20

This is the entry for "Idiotarian"...it mentions Charles and LGF by name. Pretty cool.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Palestinian Poet Lashes Out at Militants

By MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

(07-13) 10:54 PDT RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) -- It's been a hot summer on the Palestinian arts scene: gunmen broke up the concert of a popular West Bank singer after he refused to limit his repertoire to political songs, and a Hamas-run town banned a music festival to prevent mingling of the sexes.

Now, Palestinian national poet Mahmoud Darwish is striking back, saying fanatics have no right to deprive Palestinians of beauty in their lives. "There are Taliban-type elements in our society, and this is a very dangerous sign," Darwish told a gathering of artists and intellectuals this week.

It's not just an argument over artistic freedom, but over whether a future Palestinian state will be a theocracy or a pluralistic democracy.

Last week, music lovers got another jolt when gunmen broke up the concert of popular singer Amar Hassan at An Najah University in the West Bank city of Nablus. Hassan shot to local fame last year after he came in second in a Lebanese TV version of "American Idol," a competition of aspiring artists in which fans vote for their favorites.

Before the Nablus show, militants from the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades came to Hassan's hotel room. They told him he must sing only political songs, and cut love songs from his repertoire. The Al Aqsa gunmen, who have ties to Fatah, told Hassan that light-hearted entertainment is forbidden as long as Israel occupies the West Bank.

Hassan said he ignored the demands, and started his concert before a crowd of 6,000. During his show, dozens of gunmen and hundreds of protesters rallied outside the university's walls. Gunmen fired in the air and threw stun grenades, eventually forcing Hassan to break off the performance. As concertgoers left the campus, the protesters barged in, throwing chairs and scuffling with those leaving.

Hassan said in an interview Tuesday that he would not be silenced. "These people (the militants) don't want us to be happy.They want us to sit in the ruins and cry," he said. "We will wage a creative war against them, with more poems, more art, more singing."

Is this surprising to anyone? (Not to me.):

LEEDS -- The transformation of four young British men into terrorists appears to have taken place at a government-funded storefront youth centre in Leeds that, according to youth workers, was a hub of radical Islamist activity.

The centre was sealed off and searched by police yesterday after three of its workers said in an interview on the street outside that at least two of the suicide bombers had been "very regular" visitors at all hours to the Hamara Youth Access Point, and a third had been seen there occasionally.

"It had become so radical and so hateful that I asked if I could stop working there," said one of the workers, who along with two others described the storefront drop-in centre as a hub of radical Muslim politics and a hotbed of Islamic organizing, routinely hosting mysterious figures to speak about extremist politics.

. . . .

It appears that this modest youth centre is the point where these three young men converged with the fourth bomber and a leading figure who was being sought by police last night.

. . . .

The centre receives funding from the British government and the European Union, as well as charitable funds, and as such is officially secular and non-political. But in practice, it was neither. On its walls were posters from the Respect Party, an extremist pro-Islamic party founded by MP George Galloway, that showed Israeli soldiers pointing rifles at Palestinian children.

ok... its time for me to have a Howard Dean style breakdown. If you don't like my posts, definatly don't read this one.

I've been having a bear of a time getting information about this district a site is in. can't get a straight answer out of anyone. we FINALLY get it figured out enough to publish the report and let the client deal with the town, as the town won't deal with us.

I go check their code again so I can copy and paste a section of it I didn' want to type.

as of July 5th, they have a whole revampt code... and the district this site is in no longer exists. no one told me, and we were referencing the actual district by name today on the phone.

AAARRRGGGHHH!

now I have to scrap all the work i've done, and start over with this town. *sigh*

oh well.. if it was easy, I wouldn't have my job.

#181 loppyd

Hi back achew. How goes?

Life here's ok. Staying cool a best I can, planning and making jewelry, and homebrewing. What fun!

And no, my boobies are not roving. They're stashed under a teeshirt today.

182 LanceKates

Here's a CNN link on what Bush apparently said in 2004 about the investigation:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Nothing there about firing.

Let's stop using Google, which uses its funds in part to further a leftist agenda. Instead, try [Link: www.viewpoint.com...]

--Maccabean

#186 AI

well, I don't get that bent up on the "Name" verses "the wife" . . . that's moot to me.

what people have forgotten is that her name had already been leaked and she had not been 'covert' for 9 years before this stink started.

If Karl Rove had been on national television and said "Plame, Wilson's wife, works for the CIA and suggested him as someone to handle this Niger bit.." It still wouldn't be anything CLOSE to outing her.

Now, I don't know how long it takes to get a book written and published... but this happend in 2003, and Joe Wilson's book about it all came out in 2004... which makes me wonder if part of this isn't hidden in the Left's party as a 'slam bush' plan, and a moneymaker for their man Wilson.

More interesting links - From the Daily Telegraph - How are we going to fight this war?

But the arguments that follow will be conducted in a new and awful context: namely, the absolute, incontrovertible knowledge, spelt out in the blood of Londoners, that this war is now being waged in our very midst. "It is a war," one Cabinet minister said to me. "People didn't believe that till last Thursday. But they do now."

I hope he is right. This war, of course, is like nothing that has preceded it, which is why it is so tempting to call it something else: a criminal conspiracy, or a series of isolated atrocities carried out by psychopathic mavericks. And yet the analysis that the President and Prime Minister offered after 9/11 now seems more pertinent than ever.

We face three, inextricably linked threats: from Islamist fanatics, from the rogue states that harbour them, and from the deadly weapons which they seek to acquire. Only three months ago, Kamel Bourgass was jailed for 17 years for plotting to unleash ricin on London's streets. Bourgass failed. On July 7, Hasib Hussain, Shehzad Tanweer, Mohammed Sadique Khan and another man succeeded with conventional explosive. What if it had been the other way round?

Alas, these grim realities have been obscured for almost three years by the tangled arguments over the liberation of Iraq. At precisely the moment that it should have been looking outward with ever greater vigilance, the British polity turned in on itself. "Iraq" became political shorthand - like "spin" or "sleaze" - a metaphor for all that was objectionable about Mr Blair and his Government. The horizons of British politics narrowed dangerously.

Ironically, it has taken a local event to remind us of the global nature of this conflict, its pervasiveness, and our consequent inability to escape its consequences simply by blaming this or that head of government. Does anyone seriously believe that 52 more Londoners would be alive today if Gordon Brown were Prime Minister, and John Kerry were President? The question is so absurd that it scarcely merits a response.

Read it all.

New Essay!

Alright, getting back to the "promise," this is what I've been able to get from the Wikipedia article on Rove. Of the three articles they have concerning the "promise" Bush made...

- The first is a press briefing by Scott McClellan, where he says the White House's stance on the leak investigation was that the person(s) involved would, at the minimum, lose their job.

- The second is a transcript of the statements by Bush during last year's G8 summit. A reporter asked if he intended to keep the "promise" he made to fire whoever was involved, and he said affirmed it.

- The last is a Washington Post article from this past Tuesday, where Harry Red...er, Reid brought up the "promise" Bush made to fire whoever was the leak.

So, from the looks of it, it's yet another myth created by the Dems and the MSM. A promise that was never made, only an assurance that those involved would be dealt with if a crime had been committed.

#180 christheprofessor

I've heard the quote from Bush, and he specifically indicated he would take action (paraphrasing) if somebody broke the law -- from everything I've seen, read and heard, Rove broke no law...

I still want to read the quote. Thanks, though.

UFPJ keeps emailing me announcements about their September 24-26 target-rich environment mobilization in Washington, D.C.

As part of our effort to build the most inclusive and diverse possible mobilization, UFPJ has chosen two simple, broad demands for the weekend: End the War on Iraq, Bring the Troops Home Now! These main slogans are accompanied by five additional demands that link to specific campaigns: Leave no military bases behind; End the looting of Iraq; Stop bankrupting our communities; Stop the torture; No military recruitment in our schools.

Did they miss any slogans?

#196 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, from the looks of it, it's yet another myth created by the Dems and the MSM. A promise that was never made, only an assurance that those involved would be dealt with if a crime had been committed.

Which, if the Special Prosecutor doesn't indict anyone, means no one goes anywhere they don't want to. Except Judith Miller. She's the strange, strange piece in the affair. I'm beginning to think she's the leak to Rove and if she admits to telling Rove, then he's off the hook.

183 ctp

I was in Charleston in October a few years ago.

Spectacular weather. Too bad the company I was with sucked. LOL!

190 Jeannette

I didn't know that make jewelry...that is very kewl. What do you work with for materials?

Two comments:

1) How can anyone miss the dissonance of LLL's defending the sanctity of covert CIA operatives? They have worked for more than 40 years to discredit and weaken the CIA.

2) Some idiot poster at the Democratic Party blog, in a lengthy anti-Rove screed, used the phrase, "ad-homonym arguments." I guess spell-check is not always your friend. Heh.

#186 American Infidel

The person that leaked her name...
Rove did not leak her name. "Joe Wilson's wife" is not "Valerie Plame"

Too true, but Rove's lawyer dismisses that as a quibble and says it'd be a thin reed to hang a defense on. I think the whole "no crime was committed" thing is going to work better.

I think Judith Miller is covering for someone on the left... Hmmm...

#199 Lightning_Man 7/14/2005 11:03AM PDT

Just one other thought...

I think it's interesting that Rove gave Matt Cooper a release from his confidentiality agreement...If Rove were guilty of anything and trying to cover it up, that wouldn't be consistent.

#199 Lightning_Man

A lot of people here have voiced the possibility that Miller's refusal to fork over her notes is because she either knows the true source or (more likely) simply rewrote someone else's article. In either case, it would be a crippling blow to the New York Slimes credibility.

One thing mentioned in a article on here yesterday is the fact that, up til Newsweek "revealed" Rove as the leak, the Times was trying to argue that no crime had been committed and there was no real reason to lock up Miller.

Robert Byrd Comments on Joe Wilson/Karl Rove

You know, I really like the name of that country Joe Wilson went to. Something about it just makes me feel all warm inside.

#156 Big:

#134 Village Idiot's Apprentice
#131 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I'm sorry guys. I was thinking of Great Lakes Naval Air Station that closed in 1998. I use to work across the street from it back in the early 80's. That was in Glenview Illinois.

Big, you are referring to Glenview NAS not Great Lakes. Great Lakes is still open, but in a limited capacity. As far as I understand, all Basic Training is now conducted in San Diego. I grew up not too far from Glenview, and we used to live to watch the Goodyear blimp land there whenever it was in town. Glenview NAS was also where the Navy aerobatic teams would "park" between performances of the "Chicago Air & Water Show". We used to go there with one of my Dad's best friends, who flew P-3 Orions on anti-submarine sorties over the North Atlantic. I kind of miss that place!

You want to know a block out of any moonbats "Rove should be fired" screed? Point out the fact that their entire arguement hinges on one thing: Rove (and, by their extension, the White House) were out to get Wilson for telling the truth about Niger.

Yet so far, every one of Wilson's assertions, from his being given the mission by Cheney to his report discrediting the CIA's findings, have been proven as bullsh*t. If anything, it would have been more to the White House's advantage to simply sit back and watch Wilson make a fool of himself, not try to "scare" him by revealing what was already an open secret (namely his wife's employment with the CIA).

sharona

The only Basic Training base left is Great Lakes.

I am assuming that Basic Training means Boot Camp in your reference..

I may not know the effect/affect rules but..
Trust me on this one.

#210 Village

is it a Marine base? if not, I don't think "boot camp' applies, as if I remember correctly, only the Marines call it boot camp.

(I could be wrong. I'm not in the military. yet)

#100 rightasrain 7/14/2005 09:45AM PDT
Hello, Gordo.

Which one are of the Gordos are you?

Not me.

NotThatGordo

Lance

is it a Marine base? if not, I don't think "boot camp' applies, as if I remember correctly, only the Marines call it boot camp.

We really do call it bootcamp

Sheesh..
Kids now-days
:)

#201 loppyd

Generally, my stuff is set in sterling silver, tho it may get gold-plated, which technically makes it "vermeil." I use stones I've cut, often from whole rough lumps of rock, first sawing, then trimsawing, preforming, shaping, sanding and polishing.

I work with uncommon materials. Two projects in the works, awaiting settings and faceted accent stones, include a vermeil ring set with a 14x12mm Ellensburg blue agate (the only agate rare enough to be in the Smithsonian) and tanzanite accents, and a bracelet, ring, necklace and earring set (a "full parure", 4 or more pieces) made from lavender-and-green Guatemalan jadeite, with color-change purple-to-green garnet accents.

It's fun, relaxing, and helps me de-stress. It's easier on my body than my home brewing (currently fermenting a white-peach sweet-cherry honey wine, or "melomel", which should end up near 35 Prood, and a cherry ale, likely about 6% alcohol (12 Proof)), tho it's harder on my wallet :-/

#213 village

i can see the navy calling it boot camp, since they used to be the same thing..

(and I'll leave the Marine/navy jokes alone)

#202 elevenbravo1969

In yesterday's thread, not one of the whinging trolls would answer my question as to where their outrage and anger was at the NY Times front page article several months ago that exposed CIA covert charter airline company's.

The article provided details on the companies, the aircraft, included photos with tail numbers, and basically provided anyone who wanted to ID people flying on CIA aircraft the means to do so.

The only reply was the sound of crickets.

The hypocrisy of their position vis a vis the "outing of Plame" is pathetic - but also SOP.

213 Village Idiot's Apprentice

It may be just me, but that girl(?) getting her hair cut looks extremely traumatized.

I know I would be!

Lance

since they used to be the same thing..

You may wanna stop while you still can.

:)

#218 Village

ok... ONE joke. actually a framed deal i saw. had the Marine symbol (the anchor with the globe and eagle.) and had this caption under it:

"We stole the Anchor from the Navy, the Eagle from the Air Force, and on the 7th Day, when God rested, we stormed his fort, stole the globe, and have been defending it ever since."

#218 Village Idiot's Apprentice, Down Periscope, here we come! "In the Navy..."

loppyd

The girl in the picture more than likely only got one hour sleep the night before, in a barracks room with 80 of her newest friends, is exhausted, somewhat scared and had powdered eggs for breakfast. She was then marched everywhere, exposed to the elements, spoken to in less than a polite manner, etc.

Sort of like Gitmo.

Well, except for the powdered eggs of course.

I think I fell asleep in the chair for my first haircut there.

I remember reading the events of the marine bootcamp.

it said to not expect sleep the first night, and expect to be yelled at for almost all of the first 48 hours of processing.

maybe the people who think Gitmo is torture should enlist in the Marines.

Alright you guys
Knock it off, or I'm gonna have to issue you a very strongly worded letter of anger and disappointment

/UN mode off

BTW
Roger
I know and have worked with people just like the electrician/radioman in that movie.

one of my favorites

Senator Clinton's crusade against what she calls the "silent epidemic" has lead her to request sending the FTC after the makers of the video game "Grand Theft Auto". Her support of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, however, has a strong likelihood of undermining any work against this "silent epidemic" in addition to jeopardizing our national sovereignty.

You can see the post at:

Clinton sends Feds after Grand Theft Auto

or

Pajamahadin

British Muslim Leader Denied U.S. Entry

As a former ADI @ P.I. I take great offense at the remarks about boot.

It was ,and is, a lovely vacation .

Everyone shopuld enjoy 12 weeks of R&R.

Oh by the way

Good Afternoon Troop !

For Charles especially, Mark Steyn reviews "My names is Rachel Corrie"

#223 Village Idiot's Apprentice 7/14/2005 11:39AM PDT
Alright you guys
Knock it off, or I'm gonna have to issue you a very strongly worded letter of anger and disappointment

...How about fatwas?...can we issue fatwas?...(pleeease)

lancekates: they live in a pittsburg suburb.

Wouldn't happen to be this Pittsburgh suburb?

Lockerbie victim's parents give $100,000 to library

The parents of a Seton Hill College student who was killed in the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, will donate $100,000 to the Scottdale Public Library.

Greensburg residents Carole and Glenn P. Johnson Jr., who said they have deep roots in Scottdale, donated $25,000 on Monday toward a new library building in memory of their daughter, Beth Ann Johnson, who died Dec. 21, 1988.

She worked at the Seton Hill College library with her grandmother, who was the librarian there, and helped with the library renovation work in 1987.

Beth Ann also loved music, the theater and working with children, her parents said.

Her dedication led to the creation of the Beth Ann Johnson Reading Room at the Scottdale Public Library, which was established in 2000 with a $10,000 donation from her parents.

#226 RECON

the site I read about it said about the exact same thing at first.

it was in detail... explained step by step for all the 14 weeks (they said something about 2 weeks of stuff before the boot camp, but I didn't quite catch that)

and explained, in a list, everything that one needs to know to graduate. (so punks like me can start on the memorization early on, and get our body in good enough shape to make squad leader and get the benifits and extra time 'in the pit' )

A 22 year young, young woman was killed this evening in ISrael from Kasam rockets fired from the gaza strip

anyone who needs any more proof than that of what is to come after the disengaugement is either blind, deaf, and/or dumb

Americans need to write their congresspeople senators and thier President to get this prelude to massacre stopped and off the books

Hebrew link
[Link: news.iol.co.il...]

English Link
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

#229 Terp

nope. washington.

#225 Yank in the EU 7/14/2005 11:46AM PDT
British Muslim Leader Denied U.S. Entry

From the link

"I felt it was very important that Americans should hear, particularly at this time, a voice from a leading British Muslim who is well respected by the British government, somebody they turn to for advice," Nanji said.

Didn't all of us just hear from some leading British Muslims?

The quote.

No time to read everything, but on the Florida vs Texas debate.

I've lived in Texas - got hit by a Hurricane, hot as hell, thunderstorms all the stinking time, had to get in a special line at the phone company for "English speakers", where I lived the biggest hill was built by fire ants, but the people were great, the bar-b-que outstanding and its just plain big!

I've lived in Florida, had to evacuate to avoid a hurricane, hot as hell - but humid on top of it, thunderstorms all the stinking time, didn't have to get in a special line for "English speakers", but the Bar-b-que sucked. People were generally great, Machine Gun Kelly's was a blast, where I lived the biggest hill was built by mother alligators, Key West had some great scuba-diving and was an absolute haven for wacko watching, but its not really all that big.

I've lived in California, the weather was near-perfect, no hurricanes, no thunderstorms, not hot (near the coast), not cold, not polluted, but there was the occassional brush fire. No special line for English Speakers, but only about 1/2 the people in the State could understand me when I spoke English. Bar-b-que pretty much sucks, but the Mexican food was damned good. The biggest hills were mountains covered in snow. In the course of one day I could go snow-skiing in the morning amongst beautiful trees, streams, mountains and "people" to water-skliing in the afternoon amongst beautiful bays, beaches and "people". Of course, its expensive as hell, but it is also just plain big!

Bottom line, I live in Oregon. ::grins::

Only in Louisiana. You gotta love this lawyer - it's too good not to
share! Everyone who has ever bought a house will enjoy this.
A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated
back to 1803, which took the Lawyer three months to track down. After
sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply:
(Actual letter):

"Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application,
we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While
we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to
the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval
can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its
origin." Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter):

"Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received. I
note that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years
covered by the present application. I was unaware that any educated
person in this country, particularly those working in the property
area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased, by the U.S., from
France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application. For
the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to the land
prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired
it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into the possession
of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain
named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of
seeking a new route to India by the Spanish monarch, Isabella. The
good queen, Isabella, being a pious woman and almost as careful about
titles as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the
Pope before she sold her jewels to finance Columbus' expedition. Now
the Pope, as I'm sure you may know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ,
the Son of God, and God, it is commonly accepted, created this world.
Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that God also made that
part of the world called Louisiana. God, therefore, would be the owner
of origin and His origins date back, to before the beginning of time,
the world as we know it AND the FHA. I hope you find God's original
claim to be satisfactory. Now, may we have our loan?"
The loan was approved

#233 eschew_obfuscation

Send the guy back where he came from. The plane ticket's on America. "Oh, and here's a complimentary nightshirt for your trouble."

sorry. was gone. more flirting.

new posts... i've noticed that there's always a 'open thread' slowdown around 2 cst..

198 Who Watches the Watchmen?
They forget
"We Support The Troops"

#238 LanceKates

I've noticed that there's always a 'open thread' slowdown around 2 CST.

We east coast and midwestern types have to do some work sometime.

UFO...

ROTFLMAO!

#236 UFO

your post was printed, and has been put on our 'wall of fame' at the office (I work in zoning analysis, so we deal with odd things like this), in my cubicle, and a copy went to the person in the cubicle next to me.

#240 Lightning Man (i've been spelling your name right..)

We east coast and midwestern types have to do some work sometime.

I'm in OK . . . I just post while I"m on hold... (can you tell I'm on hold alot?)

Give me a break! Chuckie Shumer and Joe Wilson having press conference calling for suspension of Rove's security clearance. What a pair of tools.

214 Jeannette

Sounds beautiful...do you sell it?

I've always wanted to try my hand at home brewing...a nice summer ale would hit the spot right about now!

GOP recently put up a great piece on Joe Wilson: The truth about Joe Wilson

Are the supreme poker playing duo of Bush and Rove about to lay down a royal flush in the Valerie Plame affair?

Ask yourself:

Why would Patrick Fitzgerald whom the Chicago-Sun praised as a prosecutor who has "vigorously pursued" organized crime and "ferreted out official corruption at the highest levels" in Illinois now seemingly reduce himself to the persecution of two reporters over an incident that no one seems to believe was even a crime?

Perhaps because the so-called outing of Valerie Plame is not the crime he's now investigating.

We're so used to the leftist Dems "getting away with murder" (ala Sandy Burgler) while
Republicans get raked over the coals in endless news cycles for any perceived infraction, that we miss the paradigm shift that is obviously taking place. Dan Rather has paid. The New York Times has paid in Raines resignation and a steady drop in circulation. I could go on, but the point is that things are changing, though we may not yet believe what we see before our eyes -- that it's possible that Joe Wilson's lies will have consequences.

What if the whole Wilson/Plame affair was a set-up from the beginning involving the Democaratic party and certain "rogue" elements in the State Department and CIA to seriously discredit Bush's Iraqi strategy before the election. What if reporters Cooper and Miller were pawns in that game. What if evidence of that set-up is what the special prosecutor has uncovered.

Would such a set-up involve crimes? I don't know. But I did hear that reporters Friedman and Gregory were on Imus in near hysterics claiming that the White House was out to get journalists, supposedly evidenced by what was happening to Cooper and Miller. Interesting, given that it was the NYT that demanded the special prosecutor and that Rove early on waived any privilege. Perhaps Gregory and Friedman know more than we do. One can only hope.

Joe Wilson's Top 10 Lies and Misstatements

1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President’s Office Sent Him To Niger:

Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President’s Office. “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. … The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.” (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, “What I Didn’t Find In Africa,” The New York Times, 7/6/03)

* Joe Wilson: “[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby’s Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ...” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 8/3/03)

Vice President Cheney: “I Don’t Know Joe Wilson. I’ve Never Met Joe Wilson. … And Joe Wilson - I Don’t [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/14/03)

CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)

Schumer and Wilson - perfect together.

Both are sooo credible.

Looks like a new suspect attended graduate level studies at North Carolina State before he went to the UK.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

This is too cool.

See that area in Central Texas, south of the upper low, where the upper winds are spreading apart and diverging?

Look at the thunderstorms (some possibly severe) erupt right where the upper divergence is greatest.

I love false color water vapor imagery.

#246-taxfreekiller

For you.

Gimme Three Steps
(Allen Collins - Ronnie VanZant)
I was cutting the rug
Down at a place called The Jug
With a girl named Linda Lu
When in walked a man
With a gun in his hand
And he was looking for you know who.
He said, "Hey there fellow,
With the hair colored yellow,
Watcha tryin' to prove?
'Cause that's my woman there
And I'm a man who cares
And this might be all for you."

I was scared and fearing for my life.
I was shakin' like a leaf on a tree.
'Cause he was lean, mean,
Big and bad, Lord,
Pointin' that gun at me.
I said, "Wait a minute, mister,
I didn't even kiss her.
Don't want no trouble with you.
And I know you don't owe me
But I wich you'd let me
Ask one favor from you."

(Chorus)
"Won't you give me three steps,
Gimme three steps mister,
Gimme three steps towards the door
Gimme three steps
Gimme three steps mister,
And you'll never see me no more."

Well the crowd cleared away
And I began to pray
as the water fell on the floor.
And I'm telling you son,
Well, it ain't no fun
Staring straight down a forty-four.
Well he turned and screamed at Linda Lu
And that's the break I was looking for.
And you could hear me screaming a mile away
As I was headed out towards the door.

(Chorus)

#143 eschew_obfuscation

No, I'm not French. I am, however, obsessed with Classical history. As a username, Cincinnatus was taken (that would clearly be puffery in any event -- I know my limitations). I do find it amusing to think back through the ages to a time when the French had a backbone, though.

You should see the comments I get from the Kos Kids. They've bloviated about my hypocrisy in using this username while decrying terrorism. They're convinced V. was the Osama of old. I can't even bear the conversation.

#246 tfk

he has been telling everyone heis going to kick your ass for "messing with his gril"...

dude... no one messes with my gril... I finally got it where I can cook well on it.

*grin*

LoppyD

Have you seen Not Neo lately?

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
CHILD ABDUCTION EMERGENCY
HARRIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
RELAYED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
1000 AM CDT THU JUL 14 2005

...AMBER ALERT CANCELLATION...

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE HARRIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

NOEMI GARCIA AND REBECCA SAMBRANO...THE ORIGINAL WITNESSES INTERVIEWED...FALSELY REPORTED THAT 6 MONTH OLD ALEXANDRIA GARCIA
HAD BEEN ABDUCTED. THE CHILD IS SAFE AND BOTH WITNESSES HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH FILING A FALSE REPORT.

HARRIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE...713-967-5810.

$$

Go to the telegraph.co.uk homepage.

Scroll through the the "2 minutes of silence" for victims slideshow.

Until:

"Staff and pupils of the London East Academy at The London Muslim centre join in the two-minute silence"

Are a few of them smirking?

#253 Vercingetorix 7/14/2005 12:31PM PDT
#143 eschew_obfuscation

Thanks!

I love trying to figure out where some of these nics come from...most I get...yours was a little to abstruse for me...(I like it though).

Seen on elevator news:

Families of people who had lobotomies are pressing the Nobel Prize committee to posthumously strip the prize from the man who won the prize for inventing the procedure.

I'm of two minds about this...

Does anybody care why? If not, I'll shut up.

#245 loppyd

Sometimes I sell stuff, after I've made it. Usually, tho, my stuff is merely pretty, and since it's not bling, set in gold, diamond-encrusted, nobody really wants it.

Yeah, a nice cold summer ale sure sounds tasty. That's why the cherry ale, but it's still im the primary fermenter, and about a month away from drinking :(

I can hardly wait for cooler weather again, so we can brew a doppelbock and more lagers. Tasty!

#259 Dianna 7/14/2005 12:40PM PDT
Seen on elevator news:

Families of people who had lobotomies are pressing the Nobel Prize committee to posthumously strip the prize from the man who won the prize for inventing the procedure.

I'm of two minds about this...

Does anybody care why? If not, I'll shut up.

Yeah...I think I do...If I'm not mistaken this procedure is still done though in much rarer circumstances?

Woman 'miraculously' grows a penis

British Muslim Leader Says He Was Denied Entry To New York

Good.

#262-Sarah D.

But if she speak's, is she now wrong?

#262 Sarah D

well, chalk that up to the "HOLY CRAP!" list.

248 boojum

Ooooh, I like it.

I've had a sense that this about more than a leak issue...maybe you're onto something.

If so, Holy LLL Meltdown, Batman.

Pass the popcorn!

#261 eschew_obfuscation

OK, then:

1) I know very little about lobotomies, but I was under the impression that there are very rare circumstances where it's used. It was badly over-used back in the 50's and 60's, but the doctor received his prize because of what lobotomies demonstrated, and some of the implications for brain function. So how is he responsible for the misplaced enthusiasm of his mental health colleagues? Did he perform them indiscriminately? If so, why didn't the families directly sue him or even press charges? If not, well, what are they doing this for?

2) I note this is being done posthumously. I don't think too well of that.

3) Anything that embarrasses the Nobel Committee strikes me as a good thing. I'm trying to find a listing of the Prize for literature to make my point. What, since Solzhenitzen, has been even readable, never mind the number of frauds perpetrated.

That's what I'm thinking.

260 Jeannette

I'd love to try my hand at it, but I'm too much of a spaz.

Maybe I'll commission you to make something around the holidays...

Amalie

I haven't seen Not Neo...hope he's ok.

#253 Vercingetorix

Yeah, I like your nick too. That was when the town's Dianic leaders grew a spine, and p*ssed off Rome. I have a few silver Denarii featuring the High Priestess Gallia's likeness - she is, by far, the prttiest woman on ANY Roman coin, as dishevelled as she is on the coin.

#262 Sarah D.

Yeah, taking testosterone will make a clitoris grow. It may reach around 2" long. Could be because the person's born intersexed, could be a glandular condition caused by the adrenals making too much testosterone, could be she's been taking pills to "help." Many F2M trannies who feel they should be men do just that.

259 Dianna,

I think he should be able to keep the prize for two reasons-

1: The procedure inspired a kick-ass song by the Ramones

2: If anybody is posthumously stripped of a Nobel Prize, I think Arafat should be first and Carter second, preferably both tomorrow.

#268 loppyd

Let me get some more stuff finished, pics taken, and you can see what I've got to sell. IP prefer not to do commissions, as that's a lot of extra stress on me :(