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Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 8:52:58 am PDT

A powerful, moving article by Ronald R. Griffin, whose son Kyle was killed in Iraq: She Does Not Speak for Me.

Mrs. Sheehan has become the poster child for all the negativity surrounding the war in Iraq. In a way it heartens me to have all this attention paid to her, because that means others in her position now have the chance to be heard. Give equal time to other loved ones of fallen heroes. Feel the intensity of their love, their pride and the sorrow.

To many loved ones, there are few if any “what ifs.” They, like their fallen heroes before them, live in the world as it is and not what it was or could have been. Think of the sacrifices that have brought us to this day. We as a country made a collective decision. We must now live up to our decision and not deviate until the mission is complete.

Thirty-five years ago, a president faced a similar dilemma in Vietnam. He gave in and we got “peace with honor.” To this day, I am still searching for that honor. Today, those who defend our freedom every day do so as volunteers with a clear and certain purpose. Today, they have in their commander in chief someone who will not allow us to sink into self-pity. I will not allow him to. The amazing part about talking to the people left behind is that I did not want them to stop. After speaking to so many I have come away with the certainty of their conviction that in a large measure it’s because of the deeds and sacrifices of their fallen heroes that this is a better and safer world we now live in.

Those who lost their lives believed in the mission. To honor their memory, and because it’s right, we must believe in the mission, too.

We refuse to allow Cindy Sheehan to speak for all of us. Instead, we ask you to learn the individual stories. They are glorious. Honor their memories.

Honor their service. Never dishonor them by giving in. They never did.

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1 alkmyst  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:54:35am

I smell a "Not in my name" website in the works...

2 Buckaroo  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:55:57am

"Ms. Dowd is so moved by Mrs. Sheehan's plight that she bestowed upon her and all grieving parents the title of "absolute moral authority." That characterization epitomizes the arrogance and condescension of anyone who would presume to understand and speak for all of us. How can we all possess "absolute moral authority" when we hold so many different perspectives?
I don't want that title. I haven't earned that title."

A sane, reasoned voice -- the LLL media will studiously ignore him ...
:-(

3 alkmyst  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:57:07am

Check that - a "not in Cindy's name" website/meme.

She truly has earned her spot in the hall of idiotarians. I feel bad for her family that has to live with her, but they did mostly sign a letter attesting that she's a moonbat, right? And her husband has the good sense to get out before she meltsdown completely.

4 alkmyst  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:59:02am
Speaking on behalf of the entire world...

Oh wait, that was Richard Gere, my bad.

5 sefton  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:59:40am

Peace with honor?
To hell with that. It's nothing more than surrender.
HONOR THROUGH VICTORY.
I like that better.

6 Beagle  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:59:48am

The universe is back in balance. No more Screechin' Cindy. They have a perfect right to demand the withdrawl of our troops just as the political process is getting interesting in Iraq, but listening to them is an option I choose not to exercise.

7 sefton  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:01:35am

The more the screeching left embraces her, the more she is marginalized.

8 Van Impe  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:01:36am
In a way it heartens me to have all this attention paid to her, because that means others in her position now have the chance to be heard. Give equal time to other loved ones of fallen heroes.


Unfortunately the MSM has no desire or intention of granting equal time to those spouses or parents who support the war in Iraq.

9 sefton  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:02:52am

She has a right to protest. I have no obligation to take her seriously.

10 BulgarWheat  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:03:07am

An excellent article!

11 BusinessGuy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:03:16am

Wow. Some one that can both be heartened by the exposure she's getting but can state right at the beginning of the article...

However, I abhor all that she represents and those who would cast her as the symbol for parents of our fallen soldiers.

... has it figured out. Real heart has the ability for empathy and abhorence. Add to that knowing people must account for their own actions, and you have someone that understands justice (as opposed to fairness). What a blessing.

12 boymichael  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:03:41am

Bravery defined by the Griffin Family...

The Cindy Sheehan backlash grows...

Moore, Move.ON, ANSWER, drive the DNC further off the cliff...

Soon, Cindy's insanity will be called a 'Rovian' plot...

13 Lumpy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:03:48am

Dude, Where’s My Bong?

Of Heroes and Slackers

14 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:06:16am

Thank you Ronald R. Griffin
Thank you Charles for posting this

Honor to the Heroes

15 The Dread Pirate Gryphon  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:06:25am

Typical leftist bilge being spewed at Edcone.com:

To me, Sheehan the Grieving Mom is quite different from Sheehan the Symbol. Viewing her through the first prism, I'm ambivalent: individuals, however sad their stories, cannot dictate the policies of a nation; many people suffer in wartime, she's not their sole spokesman; the media carnival and political opportunism around her is worth noting.
But symbols have their own logic, and once things have become symbols they take on the specific weight of that symbolism and leave the rest behind.
Sheehan the Symbol represents for many people the questions about the costs and purposes of this war, questions that are growing in urgency. You can blast away at Sheehan all you want, it doesn't silence the questions she has come to represent.

By the way, I've asked him exactly WHO is trying to silence Mother Sheehan, but he doesn't seem to want to answer.

16 Bob's Kid  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:10:12am

My guess is, and I stress that I am not military nor presently have any family members in the military, that most families with loved ones in Iraq would feel more like this gentleman than Sheehan.

17 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:11:23am

16 Bob's Kid

My guess is, and I stress that I am not military nor presently have any family members in the military, that most families with loved ones in Iraq would feel more like this gentleman than Sheehan.

And my guess is that the press isn't interested.

18 George guy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:12:31am

With such an establish history of being a communist twit, it would be funny if they accused Cindy of being a Rove plant.

19 Geepers  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:12:48am

alkmyst (#3),

Cindy's way beyond idiotarian.

She's the most sickening kind of ghoul, more than willing to disgrace her son's death by climbing atop his coffin and using it as a podium to decry her anti-American Jew hating political agenda.

20 TMF  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:14:16am

Those who think there is no cause worth dying for will surely soon find themselves dead

21 jimmytheleg  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:14:16am
Thirty-five years ago, a president faced a similar dilemma in Vietnam. He gave in and we got “peace with honor.” To this day, I am still searching for that honor. Today, those who defend our freedom every day do so as volunteers with a clear and certain purpose. Today, they have in their commander in chief someone who will not allow us to sink into self-pity. I will not allow him to.

This guy rocks.

Also check out the great piece over on Front Page Mag about the "true fans" of Mother Sheehan. American Nazi Idol

22 scoreboard44  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:14:50am

Amen.

23 TMF  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:15:42am

Mother Sheehan and the dipshit historical amnesiacs of the left would be perfectly at home in 1939 France.

/that Hitler guy isnt all that bad lets give him what he wants whats the worst he can do etc etc etc morons

24 Lumpy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:19:00am

Cindy Sheehan says Bush worse than the type of people who slaughtered children at the Beslan school massacre

Moonbat’s Honor Oppressed Freedom Fighters

25 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:20:18am

What is, "a letter that will never appear in the Op-Ed section of the NY Times."

I'll take more MSM crap for $200, Alex

/Channeling Jeopardy

26 Big Al  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:20:28am

What an absolutely great article.

27 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:20:33am
28 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:22:38am

Compare this gentleman's dignified eloquence with Sheehan's hateful screeching.

29 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:27:45am

Cindy Nutbag's extreme makeover is why we need Pajamas Media.

Charles, faster please!

30 Terp Mole  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:39:23am
Nationwide vigils call for end of Iraq war

. . . As the sun set in Crawford, about 200 protesters lit candles and gathered around a wooden, flag-draped coffin at Sheehan's growing camp, about a mile from the Bush ranch.

"For the more than 1,800 who have come home this way in flag-draped coffins, each one ... was a son or a daughter, not cannon fodder to be used so recklessly," Sheehan told the crowd, which then sang "Amazing Grace."

Before the vigil, Gary Qualls, of Temple drove to Sheehan's camp site and removed a wooden cross bearing his son's name. He said he supports the war and disagrees with Sheehan.

"I don't believe in some of the things happening here," Qualls said. "I find it disrespectful."

Who's "recklessly" abusing the soldiers' memories?

Have these moonbats asked the families of those 1800+ soldiers for permission to parade around their sons names on those crosses?

31 Terp Mole  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:46:29am

Ann Coulter writes;

Cindy Sheehan: Commander in Grief

To expiate the pain of losing her firstborn son in the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan decided to cheer herself up by engaging in Stalinist agitprop outside President Bush's Crawford ranch. It's the strangest method of grieving I've seen since Paul Wellstone's funeral. Someone needs to teach these liberals how to mourn.

Call me old-fashioned, but a grief-stricken war mother shouldn't have her own full-time PR flack. After your third profile on "Entertainment Tonight," you're no longer a grieving mom; you're a C-list celebrity trolling for a book deal or a reality show.
---
Evidently, however, there are some things worth killing for. Sheehan recently said she only seemed calm "because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop 'til it was dead." It's a wonder Bush won't meet with her.

32 LarryW2LJ  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:48:27am

The media and the Left glorifying Cindy Sheehan is just an indicator as to how desperate they have become. They will grab any straw; anything at all that they can, to continue to spew their so-woefully misguided and mistaken social and secular agenda.

Believe it or not folks, they ARE running scared.

33 Elcid  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:48:29am

There always has been and will be a, Cindy Sheehan.

From Valley Forge, Shiloh, Santiago, Marne, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Inchon, Khe Shan, Grenada, Panama, Kuwait City, Kabul, Baghdad. Thank God that throughout the history of this nation there has been and always will be a Casey Sheehan or a Lori Ann Piestewa.

The Sheehan's and Piestewa's give the Cindy's the right to sell their souls, instead of healing their souls.

34 pajamazon  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:49:02am

When the going gets tough...The weak develop second thoughts!

35 LarryW2LJ  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:51:06am

And what's with all these crosses, anyway?

I thought the Left ran away from crosses like Dracula from daylight!

36 Bilgeman  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:52:29am

This is just fuckin' great.

See what Mrs. Meat Puppet and her chums started?

I ask you, how long will it be before competing advocacy media organizations send camera crews and talking heads hot on the heels of the next-of-kin notification teams?

Those folks do NOT need that kind of shit, and I wager that within two weeks, if this thing spirals larger, we'll see that come to pass.

Hey, maybe shortly thereafter we can have "grieving relative" elections to determine our war policy, huh?

What a fucking disgrace.

Regards;

37 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:55:02am

#24

Of course they say that. It's simply a matter of familiarity breeding contempt. Since they don't live in Russia, don't know any Russians, Belsan was something that happened "somewhere else" and doesn't apply to them at all.

It's like people that say Christian fundamentalists are worse than Islamic fundamentalists - simply because they see Christians all around them and only see Islamic fundies on the evening news.

38 jimmytheleg  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 7:55:22am

#35

The left uses what ever it feels will get it the "possitive" spin from the media that love them.
If that means crosses in a war protest, then someone find us some crosses.

But then what else do we expect, from this bunch?

39 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:00:24am

Anyone just hear Debbie from Indianapolis on Rush?

Where did I just read everything she said?

40 Spiny Norman  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:03:51am

#15 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

By the way, I've asked him exactly WHO is trying to silence Mother Sheehan, but he doesn't seem to want to answer.

Because nobody is. Her absurd defeatist slander has been rightly denounced, but the problem is that the Left believes that Freedom of Speech equals Freedom from Criticism.

41 Adirondackgirl  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:07:20am

Cindy is in need of some serious shrink time. I feel sorry for her. I think that her grief has gotten the best of her sanity. I'm assuming her son volunteered for service like everyone else, but unfortunately she's not able to think this through. It's unfortunate that all those antiwar nitwits are taking advantage of her mental illness.

42 channeling the shah  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:09:32am

And that, ladies & gentlemen, is the final word on the subject as far as I'm concerned, no matter how many more days this sad woman stalks bush.

43 Geepers  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:10:47am

Cindy Sheehan is obviously a Rove creation, to take the heat off him being frog-marched out of the White House.

44 JAT  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:12:56am

God Bless Mr. Griffin and every other relative that has lost someone in this war.

MSM - when will you publish a story about these good folks?

45 xlibseezlight  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:15:49am

Far too little attention is being paid to her real agenda and affiliations:
"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," Sheehan declares. See
NY Sun 8/11/05

46 Geepers  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:16:17am

Adirondackgirl (#41),

Cindy was a anti-American Jew hater long before her son was ever killed in Iraq.

She's been spouting this crap for a long time.

She's not being used by anyone. She's using her son's death as a means of getting media attention so she can tell the world that she hates George Bush or in her words der "fuhrer".

47 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:16:23am
48 mpax  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:18:06am

The national divide is evident yet again. I wish there would be a "military mothers supporting the troops march" to answer Cindy Banshee-han.

49 mpax  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:19:09am

Do those of us with no children have a say in the national debate anymore? Sometimes I wonder.

50 DocDublU  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:19:35am

The MSM has an overarching bias well above and beyond the "liberal" bias so often discussed. The media is biased towards making money. The fill their programs, newspapers and magazines, first and foremost, with content designed to increase ratinigs and to sell advertisments.

Cindy Sheehan sells papers, attracts viewers and listeners, and therefore, will continue to be blown out of proportion until the President returns to DC. You want balanced coverage? Give the media another issue that will sell ads. Conservative or Liberal, they don't really give a damn.

So celebrate the Sheehan story by seeing it for what it really is. Cindy Sheehan is a product beign bought and sold in the media marketplace. Is anything more American than cold, caluclating capitalism?

"It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry" -Glen Frye

51 taterhead  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:23:25am

Here ya go...this is the voice of America...God bless our noble warriors.

Debbie from Indianapolis

'nuff said.

52 Athos  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:24:29am

#46 Geepers

She's not being used by anyone. She's using her son's death as a means of getting media attention so she can tell the world that she hates George Bush or in her words der "fuhrer".

Exactly.

She has been adopted and promoted by Moveon, Code Pink, International Answer, and the rest of the hard left, BDS infected echo chamber for really one major reason - the fact that she is a Gold Star mother - provides in the minds of these groups and radicals - cover for their hatred because of her grief.

Attack Cindy Sheehan, and you are being cruel to a woman who lost her son in Iraq.

The fact that she daily (hourly) dishonors the memory of her son, disrepects her son and all that he volunteered and re-enlisted for is immaterial. She's a willing tool, a fool, and someone who represents the worst of the left and this country.

53 Dave the.....  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:25:15am
Cindy Sheehan sells papers, attracts viewers and listeners, and therefore, will continue to be blown out of proportion until the President returns to DC. You want balanced coverage? Give the media another issue that will sell ads. Conservative or Liberal, they don't really give a damn.

Agree somewhat, but how do you explain the almost totally ingnoring the SBVT? Or Junaita Broaddrick?

54 Ellen  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:28:42am

#51, I heard that. I cried in the car, and it sounded like Rush was deeply affected too. I don't look for Debbie to be feted by the MSM, but honestly, I don't think she'd want to be. Her son sounds like a fine young man. May God hold him safe, but if the worst should happen, I know Debbie would not disgrace him.

55 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:32:18am

Hmmm, will this get the media coverage that Cindy is getting? I wonder.

“You Don’t Speak for Me, Cindy” caravan

Move America Forward will be conducting the “You Don’t Speak for Me, Cindy” caravan beginning next week. It will feature military family members who have loved ones serving in the war against terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan. The delegation will be led by Deborah Johns of Marine Moms. (Her son has served in Operation Iraqi Freedom).
56 DocDublU  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:32:37am

Dave the..

My goodness, the SBVT sank John Kerry, Dave. Almost single handedly, with a small assist from OBL two days before the election.

Jauanita who? If I've never hear of her then 99% of Ameica hasn't either.

Sheehan does, as Maureen Dowd put it, "have a knack for PR". As sick and demented as she obviosly is, and as dishonorable, nauseating and devisive as her diatribe may be, she has garnered the media spotlight.

And in the long run, may God help her.

57 Adirondackgirl  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:32:43am

#46 Geepers

God, that's sick.

58 LynnBo  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:35:42am

Okay. Let's just say, for the sake of argument that we pull out of Iraq today. Al Queda would take over initially and then the Shia would ask for help from Iran. The Kurds would break away and the Turks would fight that. Millions would be killed and Iraq would fall into the hands of Al Queda and/or Iran after much war and bloodshed.

So, is this what the "Anti-War" "End Violence" protestors want? Based on the results their wishes would naturally effect, this IS what they want.

Stupid.

59 indy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:39:22am

# 50
read up on your Eagles, Doc, that was Don Henley..

I have been thinking this ever since she named herself Joan of Crawford.. "No More Wire Hangers!" hah.

However, as some one has noted in a separate thread, she looks more like Rene Auberjonois..(Odo ! Dude ! so this is where you've been..)
poor lady, you wonder if she is even aware of reality anymore.

60 mpax  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:40:47am

Re #58

The anti-Vietnam War protesters seemed to want the US to be thwarted regardless of the outcome for the people of Vietnam or the region. Witness the nearly total lack of concern for the bloodshed that followed the North Vietnamese victory.

61 Athos  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:42:11am

#58 LynnBo

An immediate pull out from Iraq will lead to the same genocide and mass death as resulted in 1975 after the hard left forced the US to abandon South Vietnam.

The history is there.

They choose not to learn from it. What's best for the region or the US is not in their best interests.

62 jlfintx  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:44:05am

And, from the MSM...

crickets.

63 LynnBo  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:52:31am

Re. #60 mpax, and #61 Athos...

Absolutely. The North Vietnamese murdered millions upon our withdrawl. The US did not fight to win in Vietnam. Not one single war protestor cried over that genocide.

The disingenuous claims of "peace" by these protestors is so transparent. Why, then, does the MSM give them the time of day? Why, at least, can't the MSM when reporting these protests and the participants' rants, also report the historical facts that "cut and run" scenarios have never brought peace, but instead more genocide.

64 Maxima  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:52:51am

The war in Iraq started more than 2 years ago. To not find purpose and meaning in the deeds and sacrifices of the more than 1,800 Americans who died in this fight not only diminshes their honor, it diminshes us individually and as a nation. The death of each of these brave men and women is a tragedy. But what is even more tragic is to believe that their deaths served no higher purpose--no greater good beyond themselves. I'm both humbled and heartened by Americans like Mr. Griffin who who has given more than most of us could bear. Yet he has not lost faith in the mission he son died fighting for. And in doing so honors his son and all the men and women serving our nation. I think this is what it really means when we say we support out troops. I couldn't imagine the empty and hollow feeling one would have inside if one were to cling to the nothingness that Ms. Sheenan embraces.

There are truly deaths that are tragic on both accounts--where the death served no higher purpose, where the was no self-sacrifice, no noble mission. According to the CDC, motor vehicle accidents take the lives of about 13,000 young adults (ages 18-30) each year. Homicides account for another 7,000 and suicides account for another 6,000. Those are truly senseless deaths with no purpose. Over the past two years an estimated 50,000 young adults would have died as a result of motor vehicle accidents, murder or suicide.

We mourn the more than 1,800 "Angels" our nation has lost in this fight over the past two years. How wrong it would be to ascribe no honor or purpose to what they fought and died for. Winston Churchill once said, "We make a living by what we get. But we make a life by what we give." They gave all. They deserve all of our respect and honor.

65 mattm  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:57:09am

The MSM will not cover this. They must to their best to force Bush out of office, or force him to remove troops in Iraq. This is just like the 04 elections in a way. The MSM tried to get John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry in office, and people saw past the bias and ELECTED Bush for a 2ns term.

66 arclight  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 8:59:45am
He gave in and we got “peace with honor.” To this day, I am still searching for that honor. Today, those who defend our freedom every day do so as volunteers with a clear and certain purpose.

Beer! Great words, good use, and proper syntax! BRAVO!

Today, they have in their commander in chief someone who will not allow us to sink into self-pity. I will not allow him to.


I agree - I am not a leftbot - I hold my leadership accountable for what happens, what happened, and to strive for the best possible outcome, NO MATTER THE OPPOSITION, WORLD FORUM, OR THE OPINION OF THE DESENTERS. The lives of the troops, their families, the memories of the fallen, and the future of the country DEPEND upon their actions.

Freedom is a full contact sport, and, isn't free...

67 DocDublU  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:01:10am

#59 indy

First of all, your handle "indy" is probably offensive to Native Americans, and the NCAA will never let you participate in post season tournaments if you persist in using it.

I took your advice, hotshot, and boned up on my Eagles. Guess what? The Eagles didn't sing "Dirty Laundry". Don Henley (yeah, you were right about that) sang this song on his SOLO album, "I Can't Stand Still". Are we even?

68 Iron Eagle  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:05:05am

I salut you Mr Griffin. You speak for all honorable parents who have supported there children in the military.


SEMPER FI

69 Pawel  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:05:15am

It seems that Sheehan has painted herself in a corner. I think the only one that can get her out is
MacGyver

70 indy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:13:31am

# 67

Even ! Article by Jay Mohr on SI.com a couple of days ago dissing NCAA's decision re: mascots & team names, was very funny.

I am just tired to death of hearing about Ms. Sheehan. Yes, I know that she has lost her son and that she is grieving because of it. That is no reason for her to further her agenda of hatred. My dad was a veteran of Korea and died almost 8 years ago; does that give me the right to further whatever agenda I may have? She has already met with Mr. Bush once, over a year ago, & that should (I said SHOULD) have been enough. But it won't be, not for her...

71 Aladin Sane  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:19:43am

I think she looks a bit like Snoopy in the Peanuts comic strip...

72 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:27:42am
73 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:46:18am

An Evening with the Sheehanites

The neighborhood "vigil" for Saint Cindy took place right in front of my house last night, with a smaller group across the street.

I showed up in a "Capitalist Pig" T-shirt, with a Magen David medalion and an Israeli paratrooper cap (in Hebrew), and a sign that read "Peace Through Superior Firepower" on one side and "David Duke Loves Cindy Sheehan" on the other.

Quietly taking my place in the row of moonbats, I waited for their reaction. It was slow in coming, because (surprise) these people aren't the sharpest tacks in the pinboard, but gradually people sensed something was wrong.

I was never attacked either physically or verbally, but boy, did I hear every sorry peace cliche in the book! From "how dare you attack a grieving mother" to "there were no jihadists in Iraq" to "why don't you join the Army if you're so pro-war"...

The funniest part was I had to explain over and over what the David Duke reference was about. Most of them denied that Saint Cindy ever said the stuff I quoted, even though I had brought printed handouts with her statements and attributions. If they didn't flat out deny it, they said a) it doesn't matter, b) it was taken out of context, c) maybe she was right anyway, d) it was a smear campaign by the Right, and so on. A couple people even asked me how I could believe David Duke's praise of Cindy was for real when I didn't like David Duke! How's that for logic?

Overall it was interesting and fun to rattle their cages a big. One lady crossed from the other side of the street to find out why I didn't agree with her and all the other decent, peace-loving folks and when I explained my position to her she snarked, "Well it's a good thing you make lousy signs, because no one can read it anyway." (The sign was indeed too small and I didn't have time to make the letters bigger and thicker. Next time I'm getting stencils and I'll probably also bring some Protest Warrior posters.)

Another old dear keep telling me that it's not good to hate, it's not good to hate - apparently she sensed I was full of animosity towards jihadis, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. I told her I did indeed hate Arafat and danced when he died. "It's not good to hate."

Then some guy drives by our little group and yells "I hate George Bush." To which my lady companion laughed in assent. It's not good to hate - unless it's the person YOU hate.

One guy in a pickup truck slowed down and yelled to the peaceniks, "I guess you all want the war to come here, right?"

Eventually I got bored and went to have a beer and a Wild Turkey.

Next time I'm going to plant my yard full of Protest Warrior signs and hang a giant Israeli flag and Old Glory out the window. Maybe then they'll choose another corner.

Best to you all from Charles Village, Baltimore, one of the densest (in every sense) nests of Chiroptera Lunaria in Maryland.

--Cato

74 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:49:16am
Honor their service. Never dishonor them by giving in. They never did.

Beautifully said.

75 hazzyday  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:51:24am

Need some protest warriors in Crawford.

76 alegrias  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:52:53am

#73 Cato the Elder

Cato, I salute you for bravely defending your right to free speech and trying to inject some cognitive dissonance (diversity!) into a moonbat Bushbash swarm.

77 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:53:35am

Kudos Cato! I never cease to be amazed by the "give peace a chance" lot who have conveniently forgotten that America is home of the free thanks to the brave.

78 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:54:57am

#73 Cato: Good for you, well done.

I was never attacked either physically

I'm guessing the Israeli paratrooper cap tends to deter physical aggression!

Next time I'm going to plant my yard full of Protest Warrior signs and hang a giant Israeli flag and Old Glory out the window.

In all seriousness, expect that your home will be the target of vandalism, and prepare accordingly.

79 hazzyday  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:55:09am

If I ever go away to Iraq, I'll sign a statement requesting no post mortem sheehanism if the event occurs. Cindy Sheehan should consider that her son could have entered the military to fulfill a gap in his life that he noticed growing up.

80 alegrias  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:55:46am

OT, repeating again, I recommend highly all go see "The Great Raid" to remind ourselves what our troops are made of and why we fight, generation after generation. G*d bless our troops who defend us, and those who love & support them.

81 LynnBo  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 9:57:05am

#72 song_and_dance_man
Re. Communists.

The shallow thinkers don't seem to understand Communism. Their understanding stops at "everyone has equal income". Under capitalism, the customer is the "boss", under communism, the government is the "boss".

If you don't perform to expectations under capitalism, the customers leave, and you either learn to perform or starve.

If you don't perform to expectations under communism, the government arrests you and you live in prison for the rest of your life and work for free. If you don't work for free, you are tortured and/or killed.

Just the facts.

82 MrBob  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:02:03am

The liberals like Cindy because they believe that she is morally untouchable. I got hammered on comments on my blog when I called her a moonbat the other day.
Apparently most of my readers (OK both of them) aren't frequenting LGF and don't know what a moonbat is.

I had to enlist the help of Marlon Perkins to guestblog on the habits of the Common American Barking Moonbat.

/insert shameless plug
[Link: www.thedailyblogster.com...]

83 Bubble Girl  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:04:20am
#14

Poitiers-Lepanto  8/18/2005 09:06AM PDT

Thank you Ronald R. Griffin
Thank you Charles for posting this
Honor to the Heroes

Thank you Mr. Griffin, a thousand times, thank you.

84 TMF  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:04:57am

RE: Pix of Mamma Sheehan

Sheeesh!

Couldnt the LLL have found a better lookin' moonbat?

She looks like she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

/infantile, undignified and inappropriat, yet 100% accurate so dont get on my case

85 Bubble Girl  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:07:25am

73 Cato the Elder

Cato, you da man... I loved your post, I loved what you did. Thank you, Cato...

86 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:09:07am

I peace in her general direction.

87 Fatal  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:17:59am

# 73 Cato

Nice big brass "ones"!

Way to go.

88 BigDana  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:21:11am

#84

That's great! Glad I've already finished my coffee, or it'd be all over my keyboard!

89 Lumpy  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:23:21am

#37,

You are right - that is how small their world is. I should know, I used to be one of them.

Their view of the world is derived from ignorance, fed by a strong desire to resist anything in the "establishment". It is their identity; their reason for living. That is why they are so pathological in nature.

90 alegrias  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:24:11am

#82 Mr. Bob

Calling people Moonbats to their face is not going to help them see your point of view or make them want to give you the time of day.

Lord, sometimes it's hard to be courteous to rude, unkempt, miseducated fellow citizens trying to get us all killed.

91 JollyFatMan  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:24:23am

#73 Cato the Elder,

Way to go! The only way to deal with these people is to get in their face and call them on their wacky ideas.

A good reminder of their dumbness would be to tell them that being against war only works until they find their head under someone's boot!

JFM

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 10:34:49am
93 tedzilla99  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:03:16am

This is sort of on-topic...another liberal sees the light

94 Terrye  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:03:26am

That was a good article and I think that more people are sympathetic to that man's position then we sometimes think.

Mother Sheehan is getting rather tiresome. And someone should tell her 24 years old is not a child. Terri Schiavo's mother was told her daughter was an adult whose wishes should be honored. Considering the fact that Casey Sheehan re-enlisted I would say that the same applies to him and his mother. But I think Sheehan is sick. really. She is mentally ill.

Cato, you are a brave man.

I live in rural Indiana so we don't see much of the moonbat breed. They are more afraid of us rednecks than they are the terrorists.

you sure got a pretty mouth.

95 Spiny Norman  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:11:32am

#93 tedzilla99

This is sort of on-topic...another liberal sees the light

Or another liberal soon to be denounced as a Neocon fraud.

96 Render  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:12:14am

Cato,

I'm in Maryland and I'd be honored to stand beside you next time.

WELL
DONE,
R

97 MrBob  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:20:33am

alegrias,

I did not call Ms. Sheehan a moonbat to her face.. I called her one on my blog, which I doubt she reads, nor does anyone else for that matter and I don't care.

I was making a point. Ms. Sheehan spouted socialist and enemy propaganda on national television and I think she actually believes it = moonbat

/get a life

98 Uncle BigBad  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:37:09am

#18 George Guy

...it would be funny if they accused Cindy of being a Rove plant.

It would be even funnier if we could promote the idea that she is a Rove plant. If the MSM believed that, how long would it take them to abandon her?

99 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 11:40:45am

Thanks for all your feedback. Next time I hope to have more warning so I can invite Render and other fellow Lizards to come along. Whee!

I'm going to order some Protest Warrior signs today.

Can anybody recommend a good flag company?

100 LynnBo  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:24:57pm

Just want to remind everyone what the goal in Iraq is.

"Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are: The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region." -- US Forces Commander in Chief, George W. Bush

101 Terrye  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:30:21pm

Sheehan is leaving Crawford. Her mother had a stroke.

102 TMF  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:40:21pm

Jonah Goldberg gets some email from people who Cindy DOES speak for:

Hmm, you call for reasoned argument, but all you vile neocons can do is smear that poor woman because she dares oppose treasonous policy in Iraq. She's absolutely right- this war is being fought for Israel. Why don't you answer her, kike?

Heres another:

That's the problem with you hooray for the President spoke holes, your talking about playing and we Liberals, yes ya Bush whore, LIBERAL, are talking about young people sent off to die, ostensibly for the freedom of the Iraqi people. Read my lips chicken hawk, or should I be corrected, did you ever serve you country Jonah? not one twenty something American soldiers life is worth the freedom of the Iraqi people. Write some truth talking points slag, we've already lost the war in Iraq, not because of the failing of our fine military, of which I am a alum, and you, the only thing you'd fight for is for the rights of the rich to get richer, It's the colossal failing of leadership coming from this Administration, and you know it! I can't wait to see how the whores of Bush, of which, you certainly have to be a star receiver, blame the Iraq war on Clinton and those bleeding heart liberal. Oh, by the way coward, I am for winning this debacle, and I'd do it by calling for a military draft, and maybe just maybe, when you son or daughter or niece or nephew, maybe when they send you a letter talking about how scared they are, possibly a cold hearted ass like yourself might fear the phone ringing, or a knock on you door.
103 boymichael  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:45:17pm

Sadly, Mrs. Sheehan's Mother has taken ill...

I hope the stress from her daughter's insane behavior is not the cause...

But one never knows, it must be hard on a family to see this circus...

104 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:52:26pm

They say "this war is being fought for Israel" like that would be a BAD thing.

I'd invade the whole Muddle East and kick ass from the Maghreb to Mecca to defend Israel.

But where they're really missing the point is that ISRAEL CAN DEFEND HERSELF.

This war is being fought to protect the lives and stupidity and the sacred right to be wrong of attention junkies like the pathetic Ms. Sheehan.

That's what her son died for. And you'd think even a bereaved mother might wake up one morning and have a little GRATITUDE for that.

I'm sure Casey (who was a re-enlist, by the way, i.e. he didn't leave when he could have, no, he signed up for a second tour of duty) is spinning in his grave. "Mooom, shut up already, would you please!"

And now her mother's had a stroke? I wonder why.

What a great icon of the Left she is: confused, stupid and hateful.

105 TMF  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:54:53pm

She'll be back.

She's got nothing else.

And once the media circus is over, she'll be dropped like a wet rag by her lefty shitbird handlers.

106 Terrye  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:55:35pm

Well her family has been begging her to come home.

But she is like Gloria Swanson doing her I am ready for my closeup Mr.DeMille.

I wonder if they will carry on without her donw in Texas...

107 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 12:59:56pm

And Mother Sheehan blames George Bush's Zionist war for oil for her mother's stroke in 5...4...3...2...

108 TotallySirius  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:05:42pm

I wonder what's going to happen when these Mother Sheehan supporters start demanding to know why none of the Dem leaders(Hillary,TK,JF'ingK,Pelosi,Durbin,et al) are coming out in support of CS?

How long will it be before they start screaming that their own leaders are supporting the war instead of the anti-war 'movement'?

Looks like this could come back and bite the left directly on their gamey buttocks.

109 SlothB77  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:07:49pm

I saw a Yahoo article that identified Cindy tent-ditch Sheehan as President of the Gold Star Mothers for Peace.

Here is a woman crazed out of her mind in a tent in a ditch in Texas and the press identifiers her as a 'President.'

Furthermore, you would have thought she won the gold star! You see how she becomes the gold star recipient instead of her son? And you see how she second-hands the honor of the gold star (earned through military action) into her contradictory agenda: peace. The press wants to attribute to Miss Sheehan the have the same honor and valor that is required to earn a gold star by noble warrior for her decidedly wretched and atrocious actions of castigating that same warrior.

It would be like an arsonist getting credit for earning a million dollar house for his actions of burning someone else's down.

110 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:19:20pm

Mutha Sheehan is ugly in every sense of the word and on various levels.

111 demoncrat  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:42:16pm

It's one big party for this sick women.

112 marine mom 91  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:48:17pm

My 22 yr. old Marine served almost 2 yrs. in Iraq without a scratch. He was driving out of Camp Pendleton on a narrow winding road that he wasn't familiar with and turned on the wrong road. He saw a "Dead End" sign and about 20 feet was a 200 foot cliff.

He was in gravel and unable to stop, so he went over the cliff. his car rolled end to end at least 3 times and he was knocked out. He had cuts, bruises and minor injuries.

His father came back from 13 months in Vietnam and was in a horrific car accident that put him in a full body cast for 17 months.

My heart goes out to Cindy Sheehan but her son enlisted and was proud to serve. Thousands of young people get killed in America every day from car accidents, drugs, suicides, and shootings.

We believe Cindy is being used by hate groups and cowards. When it's our time to die, we will die, no matter where we're at or what we're doing. Why can't dumb people accept that?

Marine Mom

113 Bilgeman  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 1:59:12pm

NBC Nightly News reported that Cindy Sheehan's 74 year old mother has had a stroke, and that Sheehan has left Crawford to be at her side.

Color me peculiar, but this woman's surviving children and husband have reportedly been begging her to come home yet she stayed in Crawford, now she drops everything to be with her mother?

I would presume that losing one child would make one be a little closer to one's remaining children.

Maybe Sheehan is just wired differently.

Regards;

114 Acesover8ts  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 2:38:39pm

I think this woman has a form of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy by the Left. Some psychiatrists believe that this is an attention-seeking behavior. Come to think of it, there must be a plague going on in this entire group.
I also believe that this woman might be a saint. Since these people have been praying for the death of our soldiers, god has granted one of their members their wish. To confirm, we need to find out if she prayed for her sons death or other military family members death. I believe it was her sons death that the left prayed for since by their present actions they are encouraging more homicide bombings. I also believe that they are trying to immatate Hitler since there is no limit to the amount of American Hero's they are willing to sacrifice for their cause.

115 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 2:59:24pm

My son served a year in Iraq - with great distinction. Sure, he didn't die - does that mean that I have no right to speak with "absolute moral authority?" I still have an opinion, and I support the feelings of Ronald R. Griffin. All of our sons and daughters who have served in Iraq (or any other country) have contributed to the soul and life of that nation - we should be proud of them, and proud of our leaders who will see this just war through to a just conclusion.

116 arizona9  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 4:37:57pm

Go read her latest post at Huff post. And the comments. Here's one that caught my eye...

'We have been duped by the Neo-Cons and the real terrorists, Israel'

These people are repulsive.

Btw, did anyone else catch Hitchins on Hardball last night? He let her have it good. Exposed her comments, denials and lying about said denials. Good stuff.

117 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:34:27pm

The candlelight vigil by Cindy Sheehan supporters in my town yesterday cost the local taxpayers a couple of humdred dollars for cleanup of our flagstone for the candle wax that dripped onto the stone. And we can add another 100-150 or so for the welfare moron who dumped a 2-1/2 or 5 pound bag of powdered milk into the decorative fountain.

But we've become accustomed to these kinds of petty dishonors of our society by the fringe dwellers who deem themselves to be of the proper persuasion.

We should abandon Iraq immediately and let it return to a hellhole. That's the entire philosophy of the left regarding defense of democracy and progressive society. Abandon all defense, surrender all to the forces that favor the beheading of infidels, the gang rape of women suspected of infidelity even before marriage, the lopping of limbs, of stonings to death and beatings and bombings and horrors so bad that we turn away in anguish.

This is the modern Democratic party. A party so caught up in the idea of peace by any means that they cannot see that peace means the loss of our freedom, the freedom of all of us.

For every Cindy Sheehan there are scores if not hundreds of proud and terribly hurting parents of those who have surrended their lives in the defense of freedom. As usual, the American press chooses to glorify those who would stain our society with guilt and dishonor for grand endeavors, acts of society that are neither guilty or dishonorable.

It's scarcely a coincidence that Fox News has been the preeminent news network for so long now that it has become mundane. Their position of superiority has become so dominant that their ratings almost or do exceed all of the alphabet networks and everyone else combined.

It's no secret that the majority of our society is not deluded by the paranoia and panic attacks of the left. For the majority of Americans, the letter networks and other leftist "screeming meemie" voices out there have become a common drone now ignored.

Until and unless the Democratic party reforms itself by abandoning the platform of extremist doctrine, including socialism, communism, multilaterism, isolationism, and bitter, depressing doomsday thinking, they will be forever lost to the trash heap of history.

Just as now they are emboldened by the low populatity numbers of our President, they will be dismayed when their rapidly dwindling base of support loses the right of virtual veto in the interim elections.

Just as they suppose that their "vision" for America (whatever THAT is) is the only course for sane Americans to take, they will bounce from Cindy Sheehan, to before her Carl Rove and the outing of the un-outable Valerie (Plame) Wilson, to current vigorous attacks on the current Supreme Court nominee; they will continue to marginalize themselves until there is no one left to really care about their party of defeat, dishonor, and unabated lies.

Judgement day is coming, my friends. It is just around the corner now.

118 transferthem  Thu, Aug 18, 2005 6:59:09pm

Sheehan doesn't speak for other bereaved families. It's just that the leftist MSM wants her to be seen as such a spokesperson. i doubt they'll give the time of day to the alternative views set out above.

119 TMF  Fri, Aug 19, 2005 3:02:33am

grumpy dog

Shit, man. That was good!


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