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SF Moonbats Shun USS Iowa

Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 2:42:57 pm PDT

As you read this, please remember that we are not allowed to question these people’s loyalty to the US, and that they really do support the troops (even though their every action demonstrates the opposite): San Francisco Shuns Retired USS Iowa. (Hat tip: Beagle.)

SAN FRANCISCO - The USS Iowa joined in battles from World War II to Korea to the Persian Gulf. It carried President Franklin Roosevelt home from the Teheran conference of allied leaders, and four decades later, suffered one of the nation’s most deadly military accidents.

Veterans groups and history buffs had hoped that tourists in San Francisco could walk the same teak decks where sailors dodged Japanese machine-gun fire and fired 16-inch guns that helped win battles across the South Pacific.

Instead, it appears that the retired battleship is headed about 80 miles inland, to Stockton, a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California’s annual asparagus festival.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a former San Francisco mayor, helped secure $3 million to tow the Iowa from Rhode Island to the Bay Area in 2001 in hopes of making touristy Fisherman’s Wharf its new home.

But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military’s stance on gays, among other things.

“If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now,” Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi said.

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1 MollyShark  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:44:41pm

These people are way off the scale of nuts. What can one say about it?

2 keepandbear  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:44:50pm

Up yours San Fran

best regards

Keepandbear

3 Deacon Bleau  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:48:10pm

Do these shallow people even matter in the long run? 'frisco used to be such an excellent place.

4 smartalice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:48:13pm

saw this and thought of Hanson's article today about bite back. Funny how people forget their history.

5 noshariaincanada  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:48:23pm

Moonbats will be moonbats.

6 Dom  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:48:59pm
As you read this, please remember that we are not allowed to question these people’s loyalty to the US, and that they really do support the troops

Charles jests of course. Though I am a Brit I would think Americans are duty bound to question these people's loyalty.

7 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:49:52pm

Their loyalty lies with the UN, not the US.

8 JollyFatMan  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:50:13pm

IMHO,

These jerks don't deserve to have the Iowa anywhere near them. Perhaps Texas would be a more suitable place to put her on display.
What actually should be done is to refurbish her and put her back on active duty where she belongs.

JFM

9 noshariaincanada  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:50:37pm
Officials in Stockton couldn't be happier. They've offered a dock on the river, a 90,000-square-foot waterfront building and a parking area, and hope to attract at least 125,000 annual visitors.

Not too many moonbats in Stockton, I take it?

10 Orbit Rain  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:51:13pm
given what our war is in Iraq right now

...what?! a fucking idiot in SF?! GO FIGURE!

Glad they only get two Senators, Mass. too

11 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:51:31pm

I live here and this has been big on the local news.

The gay supervisors led this effort to protest the military's gay policies and influenced the rest of the supes to follow suit.

Disgusting.

12 noshariaincanada  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:51:50pm

#0 Charles, #6 Dom

(as if questioning their loyalty would be of any use?)

13 DesertSage  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:52:45pm

It makes sense, after all if you follow moonbat logic, FDR was a war criminal and a murderer.

When thousands of patriotic young men volunteered to serve after Pearl Harbor, he sent a good portion of them off to invade Italy. And we all know that Mussolini had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.

14 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:53:16pm

Haul that baby on over here to the east coast. We've got more than out fair share of moonbats, but we're not completely over the edge. Witness the Enola Gay on display roughly 35 miles from where I sit right now. People here would be glad to give such a venerable ship the berth of honor she deserves. FU, SF.

15 FreakyBoy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:54:05pm

Actually, SF said they would take the Iowa if they could paint it pink.

16 Right Brain  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:54:10pm

We're presently fighting an enemy who doesn't allow gay rights, or even gay existence, believes they should have stone walls pulled down on them, if we hadn't fought WWII there would not be any city supervisors, SF would be controlled out of Tokyo...oh never mind.

17 RightWingNutJob  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:54:50pm

It's easy for them to be pacifists when they live safely in a country where they are protected by the US military. The great pacifist myth is that all you have to do is declare unilateral peace and the world will just conform. Gandhi and Martin Luther King were great men of peace and they were both gunned down by assassins. Pacifism won't save you. The US military will.

18 JollyFatMan  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:54:59pm

Spending money for peace, how? I can see it now; "Condoms for peace!" (Or was it piece? Whatever.)

JFM

19 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:57:11pm

I'm actually surprised none of the local wackjobs hasn't tried to sink her*, or at least cause damage.


*I know there's no way they actually could, but when has reality discouraged them before?

20 Swede  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:57:16pm

Senator Frankenstein came up with this gem.
I don't think she consulted anybody on it.
There are, roughly, a million better places to preserve this honorable ship.
I can't imagine anybody, other than Sen. Frankenstein, thinking San Fran could want or deserve this relic of American might. There are many places in the Great Lakes region that would love to have the Iowa. Plus, she's a Midwest namesake, so it makes a little more sense.

21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:57:28pm

Hey, bring her over here to VA Beach. We'd be happy to find space to put her, just so that Hampton Roads can claim ownership of two WWII battleships (we already have the USS Wisconsin in Norfolk).

22 Colonel Panik  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:58:02pm

It's this sort of pathetic crap that makes me embarrased to say I live in the Bay Area. SF used to be a big Navy town. Maybe someday it will be again.

23 TimK  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:59:00pm

Hey Ross, Where are you going to get the gas to run your car with, or the electricity to power your house.
It comes from oil and if the war is all about oil then look after your self interest.
The "military" not some tree-hugger dreaming about free energy, makes sure that there is a free flow of oil at market prices.
You can piss and moan that Bush and his friends at Halibuton are making money, but you still need the oil you f**king hypocrit.

24 Austin Conservative  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:59:11pm

Effing San Francisco. They are the joke of the Left Coast. No room for the Iowa, but they allow their bums to piss and deficate in the fountains. It's a filthy city, yet the most European place in the US. hmmm.

25 FriarsTale  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 12:59:38pm

and by the way, we really should give back all our war gains
California to Mexico
Texas to Mexico
Puerto Rico to Spain
Guam to whom? Japan?
give Japan back to some Emporer or other
give South Korea and Taiwan up to the Commies
war is so unfair
let's be fair and give everything back
the time of Imperialism must end

26 lykeios  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:00:34pm

San Francisco shuns one of the very ships that kept it from being part of the Japanese Empire.

Or maybe they are also against our (past) imperialist, racist, oil-driven, criminal war against Japan.

27 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:00:37pm

# 19 Spiney Norman

Don't underestimate them. They might chip the paint.

28 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:02:08pm
29 Austin Conservative  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:02:40pm

#25

Whoa there pardner. Texas may secede from the Union some day, but IT WILL NEVER go back to Mexico.

30 Missy The Cat  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:03:11pm

Perhaps this is just a case of 16" penis envy?

31 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:03:24pm

But did you see the flying pig moment?

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."
32 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:04:13pm

#26 lykeios

Or maybe they are also against our (past) imperialist, racist, oil-driven, criminal war against Japan.

Umm, that was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

33 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:04:40pm

I will say this. Coming up on a year of reading LGF, yet, as I reflect on it, this is one of the most disgusting things I've seen here in all that time.

34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:05:00pm

This shows a key difference in the Left and Right.

To the Right, the men and women who fought against Nazi facism and Japanese imperialism will always be The Greatest Generation. We will never forget their sacrifices and hold the impliments of that war as important as the men who used them.

To the Left, the men and women who dropped out to become hippies and protest "The Man" during Vietnam will always be The Greatest Generation.

35 will_not_back_down  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:05:55pm

Two words= Bull Dozer. Or is that one word? Sorry and LFGer's in SanFran.

36 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:08:00pm
#20 Swede

There are many places in the Great Lakes region that would love to have the Iowa

Will it fit through the locks? The Glomar Explorer is about nine feet too wide.

/don't ask

37 Gabba Gabba Hey  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:08:24pm

Freedom isn't free. Moonbats would do well to remember that.

38 Brenda  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:08:52pm

I hope some veteran's groups etc. organize a tourist boycott against the city. This should not go unpunished.

39 Havoc  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:09:10pm

#31 reaganite

just in from Kauai, you need to go for a couple weeks, maybe four,

Some things I really dislike about Di Fi, but she WAS mayor of the city and did a respectable job of moonbat herding, when mayor.

40 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:09:26pm

Longtime Chronicle columnist's reaction - he always manages to get his anti Iraq bashing in everything he does:

[Link: sfgate.com...]

41 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:09:44pm

Good, no tourist money to blue counties period from the military displays. Hell, I'll extend that, no military money to any blue county period.

A few years ago you could be a Dem and not a traitor, not anymore. Look at the last 3 pres candidates.

Candidate 1)A coward, liar, traitor

Candidate 2)A coward, liar, traitor

Candidate 3)A coward, liar, traitor

42 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:10:20pm

#39 Havoc

just in from Kauai, you need to go for a couple weeks, maybe four,

LOL, I actually have a job offer there!

43 Deacon Bleau  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:10:31pm

C'mon guys let's not get ourselves worked up over 'frisco stuff. They are on the losing end of the political process and know it; this is what drives them. I encourage the moon bats to keep it up.

44 liege  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:11:18pm

As a resident of Stockton I can hardly wait to walk the historic deck of the Iowa with my kids.
What a break! Thank you, San Francisco.

45 Deacon Bleau  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:13:43pm

#44 Stockton is an excellent, and friendly town. More like the midwest than the coast.

46 Snake Plissken  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:14:23pm

Stockton's not "gritty." They have new condos and homes that go for over half a million bucks.

More liberal elitist spin to make it seem only "gritty" places will take anything that has to do with the military.

47 Beagle  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:15:02pm

Thanks for the sombrero doff, Charles.

At first I really thought an Onion article had slipped onto my 'puter screen in the guise of news.

I guess San Francisco doesn't want to offend its Imperial Japanese minority.

"Tojo was right!"

"FDR lied,* Japanese died!"

"Support Japanese Freedom Fighters!"

*FDR did lie, a lot, to try to break the isolationists and get the U.S. involved in WWII before we were. The Neutrality Patrol flew far outside the supposed boundaries and attacked German subs whenever possible.

48 Paul  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:15:15pm

During WWII San Francisco as a major Navy base, the harbor was full of warships going to or coming back from the war. For many sailors seeing the Golden Gate Bridge was their first sight of home after years in the Pacific. Sixty years later, San Francico has become a major moonbat base, full of people who sneer at sailors and who would welcome an American defeat.

Want to see something really sad? Check this out.

[Link: www.battleshipiowa.org...]

49 DocDublU  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:15:29pm

To this story I say, "thank god".

Such an honorable ship deserves a better fate than to be scorned by the freaks and swine who govern San Francisco.

The garbage and filth of that town should not be allowed to soil her teak decks with their traitorous feet. And to those few non-moonbats who live in SF, I say this. It's time for you to stand up to the leaders of your town. No longer can we allow the rampant degeneration of NoCal to go on, unchallanged.

Zombie is a start. Where are the rest of you?

50 Chief Airdale  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:18:40pm

This is a slap in the face of every Sailor that served aboard that great warship. Iowa is part of American history. I must now assume San Fran now longer cares to be a part of that history.

Since my passport is expiring, I'll not have to worry about expending any of my vacation dollars in the People's Republic of San Fran.

Freaking moonbats! (spit)

51 Havoc  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:24:29pm
#42 reaganite 8/20/2005 03:10PM PDT

#39 Havoc

just in from Kauai, you need to go for a couple weeks, maybe four,

LOL, I actually have a job offer there!

TAKE IT

unless I didn't make myself clear ...

TAKE IT

and get your real estate license ...

Ann will be glad you did

--- where we stayed in Princeville,

The timeshare resort next door -- Mmmmm No thanks but nice

Tunnels Beach and Coral reef 15 minutes north, was the best, on the edge of the Na Pali Coast, 4,500 foot cliffs there.

52 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:24:48pm

USS Iowa (BB-61)

/ooh, 16" naval rifles, definitely too big for the Great Lakes locks

53 Alone in NY  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:25:09pm

The irony here is amazing.

Even Dianne Feinstein was out leftied by the Frisco crowd.

Even more amazing is that these ostrich's think by protesting the military, and one of America's symbols in the fight against facism, they are somehow helping homosexuals. Both yesterday's facists (who felt the thunder of Iowa) and today's Islamofacists, would surely murder anyone they knew was gay.

The irony displayed in the ignorance of the SF supervisors is simply astounding.

54 Ann  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:25:27pm

Here are the moonbat supervisors.

We should thank the three who voted for it. Just don't know whch ones.

55 rightymouse  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:25:37pm

"But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military’s stance on gays, among other things."

What the heck does this "logic" have anything to do with the price of beans in China?

56 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:26:56pm

#51 Havoc

TAKE IT

Nh, I gave it a pass. Short contract.

57 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:28:08pm

Beagle
Don't forget the lend/lease, neutrality my ass!

58 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:30:07pm
59 Steel Rain  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:30:15pm

I really wouldn't have expected anything else from the nuanced and correct people who ride the backs of the San Francisco residents.
I do agree with the majority here that the Iowa should be placed in another location where honors can be properly rendered to the memories and actions she represents.
I've seen a couple mention that she should be returned to duty and though your hearts are in the right place that's sadly impratical. To many personnel required for manning and to much cost to modernize to the extent it should be done. Put her to rest in a place of honor and let her inspire future generations.

60 Beagle  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:31:37pm

#53 Alone in NY

Both yesterday's facists (who felt the thunder of Iowa) and today's Islamofacists, would surely murder anyone they knew was gay.


Absolutely. The Nazis put gay people in concentration camps. I'm not sure what the Japanese would have done, but I'm sure it involved swords. The ulema is on record saying killing is too good for homosexuals.

The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy - and THAT'S what ticks the moonbats off. You just can't create stupidity like this out of thin air. It must be cultivated, nourished, and watered.

61 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:39:03pm

#60 Beagle
They put homosexuals that disagreed with them in, Herman Goering remained free as well 'you know who'.

62 Paul  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:39:51pm

#58 Rayra

As a Wisconsite that's a damn good question. Having the USS Wisconsin docked by the downtown War Memorial on Lake Michigan would be wonderful. I think (but I'm not sure) that the battleship cannot pass through the locks of the St. Lawrence Seaway.

63 cali white bear  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:40:30pm

if I were the USS Iowa, first of all i'd be a big ole battleship that opened family-size cans of whip-ass all over the world...but I'd also be of a mind to make my retirement in a watery community that actually APPRECIATES the work i did in defense of this and many other countries.

i mean, really. the people of stockton are more or less great americans, who tend not to spit on troops or call their commander in chief the biggest terrorist in the world. also, they have a super kewl new waterfront and just up the road a piece is their
bro-town Sacramento, a metro area bigger than pittsburgh or cinncinnati and a place that knows how to support the troops,
(the 20 block radius around Capitol Park notwithstanding).

in contrast, what self-respecting battleship would EVER want to have to sit there in SF every day and listen to the unending carping and wailing of the moonbats? Hello, McFly?

again, if I was the USS Iowa, and if i could talk and be heard, I'd say "Stockton here I come!"

and to SF i say, "chump don't want da help, chump dont GET da help."

64 Alone in NY  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:40:59pm

#60 Beagle

The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy - and THAT'S what ticks the moonbats off. You just can't create stupidity like this out of thin air. It must be cultivated, nourished, and watered.

Yes, yes, yes.

If the supervisors get their way, and we end the military, the Islamofacists will take over SF. The resulting decapitations would, of course, be the fault of the Bush Administration for starting the war in Iraq.

These people are so wrong headed it is really hard to fathom.

65 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:42:26pm
66 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:44:10pm

Does this maroon, Mirkarimi think peace is yanked out of a cracker jack box by sticky childrens hands?
His actions negate the very privilige of freedom
he's been enjoying with no regard to the price paid for his stupidity.

67 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:44:28pm

LGF registration is now open.

/let us pray for worthy potential lumberjacks trolls

68 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:46:18pm
it appears that the retired battleship is headed about 80 miles inland, to Stockton, a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California’s annual asparagus festival.

Yay Stockton....guess I'll learn to like asparagus, too. I'll take 'gritty' over 'pretentious', 'overpriced' and 'run by blood-libel spewing nihlistic scoilist fucktards'...I've been to both Stockton and San Fran-Freakshow.

For all the NorCal LGFers, isn't Stockton and most of the San Joaquin Valley part of 'Red California'? I know that San Diego showed up as a solitary patch of red on the 2004 electoral maps.

69 Dom  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:48:02pm

Craig Abu-Hoo-Hoo,

Timely reminder although the Pope's message and Charles' comment belong in the context of the international threat of terrorism.

OT I was just reading a beautiful poem by the leader of Ansar al Sunnah, the eloquent face of Islamic world domination:

70 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:51:16pm

U.S.S. Iowa = Battleship

Dianne Feinstein = Battle-axe

71 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:52:26pm

#70 sngnsgt

Dianne Feinstein = Battle-axe

True, but in this case, she's on the right side of the argument.

72 Havoc  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:52:40pm

#68 Fenway Nation

I lived in Stockton for six years.

There's a "little" ongoing problem there ...

... be sure to take both shotguns and a few boxes of deer slugs and double00.

80 gang-related drive-by shootings in Stockton

source

73 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:53:18pm
74 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:53:40pm

Yeah, we're red here in San Diego.

I'm hoping the next earthquake that rolls through California decimates San Francisco. I know its not nice of me to wish bad things on people, but most of the people in SF are outright traitors to the U.S.

75 ajackson  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:54:52pm

#61 BenZacharia wrote:

They put homosexuals that disagreed with them in, Herman Goering remained free as well 'you know who'.

Voldemort is gay?! I never knew that.

76 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:54:58pm
77 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:55:27pm

@25 FriarsTale

You forgot your sarc tag.

And if you're serious, you forgot to give Mexico back to the indigenous indian tribes, who then must give back to the Anazasi.

78 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:55:40pm

#74 acwgusa

I know its not nice of me to wish bad things on people, but most of the people in SF are outright traitors to the U.S.

Great, so you'll be happy with those in SF that aren't moonbats go down with those that are. Wonderful.

79 tgharris  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 1:59:45pm

This is great news. Now, if I want to tour the Iowa, I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SAN FRANCISCO !

80 liege  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:03:11pm

#72
Your data is from 2001. The crime level is actually down, relating to drivebys. And with those sixteen inch guns that can fire volkswagons long distances and with great accuracy, I imagine the crime rate might go down even more here in Stockton.

81 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:03:32pm

#58 Rayra
#62 Paul

That would be because the USS Wisconsin and the USS Iowa, under the National Defense Authorization Act of 1996, are the two Iowa-class battleships that have to be kept on the Naval Vessel Register until such time that a ship is put into service that meets or exceeds the firepower of the Iowa-class.

Since Norfolk and Newport News make up the bulk of the USN's Eastern assets, it was decided that the Wisconsin would be put here. And since Nauticus (Naval museum in Norfolk) was willing to foot the bill to upkeep the Wisconsin, in exchange for allowing civilians to walk her weatherdecks, the USN decided to put her there. Now, after she's officially struct from the Register (for the second time), then what's done with her will be up to the highest bidder.

82 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:08:57pm

Perhaps the San Franciscans would be happy to have this warship when she is retired....

83 Paul  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:11:08pm
If I were going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now [Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi]

This guy is a genuine moonbat, the real McCoy. He's co-founder of the California Green Party, the Director of the SF Nuclear Free Zone Coalition and a member of the Harvey Milk Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgendered Democratic Club.

[Link: www.ci.sf.ca.us...]

He's also a member of the Iranian-American Chamber of Congress. He led the opposition to the Iowa memorial.

84 happycamper  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:15:20pm

I'm glad it's going to berth in Stockton. As one who enjoys water sports in the California Delta, I will now have one more activity enjoy. I doubt I would have traveled to Frisco (they hate that term)to see it if it were berthed there anyway.

85 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:17:01pm

I am aware that there are at least a few good LGFer's in San Fransicko and I'm aware that not all the folks so reside there are libs, so it pains me to suggest this but:

SFsicko is an embarrassment to our great nation and undeserving of all rights and priviledges.

I have never believed that freedom of speech gives you the right to disown your country and personal responsibility to it's well being - and that is exactly what the POS leading SF are doing. They are the enemy too because words have consequences just like bullets.

FU San Fran. I don't give a sh*t what happens to the Bay area now. As far as I'm concerned, terrorists can have a free pass into the Bay. You can welcome them with open arms and help fight Bush. But when all hell breaks lose you maggots, don't come asking for America's military help!

And if you happen to be gay, you'll find Muslims don't buy the don't ask, don't tell policy. You'll be the first to be sawed in half. So be it.

86 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:21:50pm

#78

Well, in my case its putting my foot in my mouth.

I can only blame stupidity for that comment.

87 JAT  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:23:39pm

Well it comes as no surprise. They just about did the same thing to the Missouri. Senator Fin-stupid was involved with that too.

May God have mercey on their souls - OH right - they're dems - and have not souls.

This is why I do not miss living in California - after 50 plus years there I never looked back, only to laugh at those idots.

88 Stirred,not shakin  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:27:11pm

Micheal Savage has it right when he calls it San Fransicko. The city government is run by communist simps, who are so far out you couldn't reach them with the space shuttle even if you had a year to make the trip!

Way to honor the Greatest Generation, asshats!

My sympathies to those in that city who are still in touch with reality, I don't know how you do it! I am a 49'rs fan, but I'm getting ready to withdraw my support because of where that place is going. I know, that's no reason to withdraw and they're only a sports team playing a game, but why lend any support to a city that believes like they do?

Color me pissed-off with shades of disgusted.

Oh, and - I'm a Navy vet. So, I am insulted as well.

89 Paul  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:29:28pm

#81 Targetpractice, WoBW

Thanks for that information. Having the USS Wisconsin docked on the Milwaukee lakefront is a great idea that would be supported by all Wisconsinites (except Milwaukee's East Side moonbat population).

My sister and brother-in-law live in Wilmington, N.C. where the battleship North Carolina (BB55) is docked as a memorial to Carolinians who served in WWII, it's wonderful to visit and a great attraction.

[Link: www.battleshipnc.com...]

90 iowan  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:32:27pm

We'd take it for our Mississipi River Museum, but there'd be a problem getting it up the river, the channel is only maintained at 9 ft, and the bridges are too low. I'd rather see it restored and back in service.

91 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:32:37pm
#62 Paul

As a Wisconsite that's a damn good question. Having the USS Wisconsin docked by the downtown War Memorial on Lake Michigan would be wonderful. I think (but I'm not sure) that the battleship cannot pass through the locks of the St. Lawrence Seaway.

Trust me on this one, I've done the research on this (concerning the Glomar Explorer, don't ask) and the USS Iowa is WAY too wide and WAY too long to fit through the locks and get anywhere near Wisconsin.

/the only way the Iowa is getting to Wisconsin is in pieces, by rail

92 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:35:29pm

I can't even use PIMF for an excuse this time because I did proofread:

(1) it's/its
(2) lose/loose

Sorry, I was so mad I was shaking when I typed that. I would go to jail right now for battery if I could get hold of Ross Mirkarimi. Too bad I'm 1,500 miles away.

93 RJ_In_Reno  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:35:39pm

I may be wrong but I seem to remember that Fienstein got the pentagon to tow the Iowa from the east cost through the panama canal to San Francisco at great cost. And now SF says no to the Iowa. Boy it sure makes Feinstein look bad. By the way I had the pleasure of seeing the Iowa shoot her big guns when I was stationed aboard the USS Midway on duty in the Persian Gulf back in 87. We were a good mile away and could still feel the blast. Awesome!

94 JnT  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:35:44pm

The Iowa is to proud a vessel and her crew deserves a better location than for her to remain in SF and have her memory tarnished by those who do not realize the price paid for the freedom they enjoy.

Here's to the city supervisors for making a wise decision.

95 mattm  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:38:25pm

They don't deserve the Iowa.

96 Paul  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:39:17pm

#91 Killian Bundy

I was afraid of that. Wisconsin does have the Mississippi River on its western border but as iowan (#90) noted above, that river so far north is too shallow to admit passage of so large a ship.

Let's reactivate the Iowa and the Wisconsin. Sixteen inch guns still command respect.

97 wun wabbit wun  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:40:18pm

Wont be leaving my heart - or my cash - in San Francisco any time soon.

98 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:41:32pm

#89 Paul

Well, while I find the idea a great one, I think you folks would have a hard time wrestling her away from the folks in Norfolk. She's become something of a state symbol (showing up on all our tourist pamplets and such) and a tourist magnet for Norfolk.

99 the_flying_pig  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:41:47pm

goddamn those S.F. city supervisors! KILL THOSE IDIOTS THAT VOTED DOWN A celebrated US naval ship that helped end World War II in the Pacific!

100 FlyingTigress  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:42:21pm

#74 acwgusa

Yeah, we're red here in San Diego.

That's a bit of an understatement! LOL

San Diego... About the only thing in Southern California that made (past tense) living in California worthwhile.

OMBAC's Over-the-Line tournament each summer... (and Miss Emerson....**sigh**)... Easter sunrise services at Mount Soledad... The thunderboats on Mission Bay...The Hotel del at Christmas...Watching the Padres at the Murph' (I know. They moved across from the Convention Center)... Horton Plaza... The Star of India... Starlight Opera in Balboa Park on a warm summer evening, after a late afternoon picnic on the grass, under the flight path for Lindberg Field...the "Yard of Beer" in Old Town (O'Hungry's?), the breakfast-only mom+dad place there near I-5 and I-8 -- with the killer omeletes and frittatas, and watching the Navy aviators fly racetracks at Miramar...

101 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:42:28pm

I hope the welcomed terrorists reinstate Alcatrez as the new torture chamber. Let the City Council be the first guests. That or they better quickly learn to stick their butts in the air (for prayer).

I'll provide Al-Quida the directions to the Haight-Ashbury district. They can turn the district into the first mosque...

102 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:43:18pm

#99 the_flying_pig

KILL THOSE IDIOTS

STFU Moby.

103 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:43:45pm

#89 Paul

Yes, I have been on the USS North Carolina many a time (I grew up about 25 miles from it). It is really a fascinating piece of history. The moonbats in Frisco really screwed up on this one.

104 The Drizzle  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:48:02pm

It's funny how men lusting after other men's rectums seems to dictate (no pun intended) these peoples every living breath. It even shapes their politics. Having a safe country be damned, if I cant cornhole with abandon. Idiots. Send the ship to a worthy town. Let the sodomites have their lifestyle of abomination.

105 Cognito Primoris  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:49:00pm

#7 Spiny N

Their loyalty lies with the UN, not the US.

You mean the U.N.derworld, right?

106 wun wabbit wun  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:49:12pm

#100
#74

...and dont forget Pt Loma Seafoods

107 ArcherB  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:49:57pm

I say the next time there is a major earthquake in SanFran, we mail all the FEMA checks to this battleship. If they want them, they can tow the damn ship back.

If you don't support this country, how can you expect this country to support you?

108 Athos  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:51:36pm

#85 goodbye_natalie

FU San Fran. I don't give a sh*t what happens to the Bay area now.

I can relate to the anger, the frustration, and the moral and intellectual bankruptcy with hard left / anti-war left.

It's telling of what they do when they obtain power even at the city level. Look at the history of SF over the past 5 years alone - and what has really happened to that city.

They embrace themselves with the First Amendment - yet still haven't learned that there are repercussions for actions / statements.

It may not be a big one, but here's my step. I cancelled my hotel reservation for a Labor Day weekend drive / visit to SF. I just will not go there - or spend my money there. We will go someplace else if we travel at all that weekend.

109 Occam's Beard  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:54:14pm
Veterans groups and history buffs had hoped that tourists in San Francisco could walk the same teak decks where sailors dodged Japanese machine-gun fire and fired 16-inch guns that helped win battles across the South Pacific.

Maybe they should've told them they could sashay, flounce, or mince across the deck, too.

110 mpax  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:54:58pm

The only time I visited SF, many years ago, I was robbed by a long-haired, John Lennon style wireless rim glasses wearing a flowered shirt. Ruined my rather meagerly financed vacation. A pox upon them.

111 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:57:08pm

#108 Athos,

Good for you. I hope where you choose, it's your best vacation yet.

I just wish there were more like you. I would like the rest of America to give S.F. the support it's earned - which is nothing.

Like I said, if I could remove the few good folks out there (and I'm aware there are still many), I wouldn't give a damn if SF sunk into the sea to become the new Atlantis. And I mean that.

112 Apprentice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:58:14pm

#77 quark 2
There are NO "indigenous Indian tribes" in the Americas. Those who were here before the Vikings also came to the Americas from elsewhere-either by boat or land bridge. They just got here a little earlier...that's all.

113 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:58:48pm
#96 Paul

was afraid of that. Wisconsin does have the Mississippi River on its western border but as iowan (#90) noted above, that river so far north is too shallow to admit passage of so large a ship.

I've personally navigated the Mississippi locks and dams 2 through 9 and, putting the draft question aside, the Iowa will not pass through any of them.

/it's just too big, 888' 7" x 108' 2"

114 lmg  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 2:59:55pm

#3:

Do these shallow people even matter in the long run?

Only with respect to the damage they do to the rest of us physically, economically and emotionally.

115 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:01:40pm

#112 Apprentice

There are NO "indigenous Indian tribes" in the Americas. Those who were here before the Vikings also came to the Americas from elsewhere-either by boat or land bridge. They just got here a little earlier...that's all.

By your argument, there are no indigenous people other than Africans.

116 dgd  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:04:01pm

I've lived in Stockton for 52 years. Tough town when I got here, still is, But the Iowa will be welcome on our new waterfront.
Development courtesy our previous mayor, a business oriented Italian-American, and the local long time Christian Lebanese community. We just need to take out a little trash.kind of like our neighbor to the north, Lodi, soon to be the site of the Million Muslim March.......oh.....wait.....ah...never mind about the march.

117 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:06:18pm

#115 Reaganite,

LOL. Would Eve be indigenous then?

By the way, at the risk of looking like a newbie, can you explain to me what MOBY means even if I am one? It would be appreciated.

I looked under the LGF dictionary where it's listed with no definition. It's not a double-secret probation word, is it?

118 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:06:49pm

We have the Battleship Texas moored at the San Jacinto Monument, it's awesome.

119 scott in east bay  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:06:51pm

I work for the City and County of San Francisco. I am embarrassed to tears by this. For the last several years, the city "government" (I use the term laughingly) has been dominated by the ultra-left types. It shows. Major corporations are leaving. Families with kids are leaving. The middle class cannot survive here unless they have owned property here for years. The average house is $800,000 and the average rent for a 2 bedroom apt is over $2000. For city government, business is evil, property is evil, ownership is evil. Everything revolves around "the poor". Now, I have to laugh because they keep discovering that taxes are falling, demand for services by "the poor" is skyrocketing, and there is no money. Idiots such as Mr Mirkarimi have just discovered that when you run out the producers there is no money for the parasites. Rocket science, I tell ya.

120 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:08:17pm

Pacifist.

Just another name for coward.

121 engineerinwoman-molon labe  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:09:17pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,
New to this site - as the daughter of a deceased WWII vet, I can say on his behalf that had he served on this ship, he would be rolling in his grave with even the prospect of it being berthed in the PEOPLES REPUBLIK OF SAN FAG. Let this proud ship go to some real American port city where it can be appreciated and honored.

122 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:09:24pm

#117 goodbye_natalie

By the way, at the risk of looking like a newbie, can you explain to me what MOBY means even if I am one? It would be appreciated.

It's in the FAQ.

Q. What’s a “moby?”
A. Someone who is following the advice of techno-pop star Moby to plant items that are likely to alienate Bush supporters. More: Punk the prez?
123 LittleSpaceshipBuilder  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:09:58pm

#25 friars tale

and by the way, we really should give back all our war gains
Texas back to Mexico


That would be the US giving Texas back to the Texans. Us Texans took it from Mexico fair and square!

124 Apprentice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:11:10pm

#115 reganite

As far as science has been able to determine you are correct. And I don't even want to get into the plight of the poor Neanderthals whose land was usurped by the following wave of humanity.

125 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:11:12pm

#119 Scott,

My apologies for broad-brushing the entire region above - you're braver than I am for putting up with that crap.

My suggestion is to live as far away as possible, and when the housing market goes down the tubes, I hope you get waterfront property for cheap.

One favor, though. If that happens, charge a toll of $100.00 a day to all the pinkos heading for the beach. Payback for screwing the ordinary Joe.

126 lmg  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:14:53pm

#39:

just in from Kauai

Seen any good missile tests?

127 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:15:18pm

#122 Reaganite,

Thanks. Since I don't even know what Moby sings, I can rest easy knowing I'm not one. A sorry bastard, maybe. But definitely not a Moby.

Googling Moby, he looks the part to be a great fit on S.F.'s City Council.

128 amyc  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:15:29pm

#25--actually, could we give a narrow strip of the western coast of California, Oregon, and Washington State to Mexico? I'd throw in Massachusetts too!

Good for Stockton! I hope this brings in tourists and economic development (and some convention groups who might like to see the Iowa) for them. "Gritty agricultural port town" feh. Sounds like a good place to me!

129 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:16:18pm

@112 Aprentice

You think? The Anazasi are considered indigenous. And after being here for literally thousands of years (not hundreds) I would think that upgrades their position.
Of course if you want to travel all the way back to the Rift Valley, then none of us would be able to stay where our families have been for generations. I don't think the Rift Valley will
hold the worlds population. :)

130 reaganite  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:17:00pm

#124 Apprentice

And I don't even want to get into the plight of the poor Neanderthals whose land was usurped by the following wave of humanity.

What about the Neanderthal collaborators?

131 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:17:20pm

WOW!

for so long, people in the know have commented how nutso left-wing san francisco is - but many people have just thought that is a right-wing exaggeration....

this completely blows the doors off the barn.

anyone with any sense at all of the country's history should be flabbergasted and put up no further argument denying that the bay area is no longer part of america!

if it weren't for ships like Iowa and the men who crewed them, all those f*ing idiots would be speaking japanese....

(actually, today, they would be executed, because they definitely would surrender rather than fight, and the japanese warrior code saw surrender as a mortal disgrace)

is it possible to kick san francisco out of the country? let's please investigate....

132 rickl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:20:44pm
#13 DesertSage 8/20/2005 02:52PM PDT

It makes sense, after all if you follow moonbat logic, FDR was a war criminal and a murderer.

When thousands of patriotic young men volunteered to serve after Pearl Harbor, he sent a good portion of them off to invade Italy. And we all know that Mussolini had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.

Even before Italy, we invaded Morocco in 1942. What did Morocco have to do with Pearl Harbor?

133 Rick Moore  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:21:02pm

I think the Navy should plan their own response to this nonsense. As each ship passes San Francisco, the sailors should line the rails, and then on their skipper's command, raise their hands and tell San Francisco "you're Number One", if you know what I mean.

Perhaps if the Navy can create a warship that shoots flowers out of the 16 inch guns, the city supervisors will be willing to have it as a neighbor. Of course, they'll have to paint it pink and fly a rainbow flag on the bow. That'll scare the terrorists.

Actually, it just might scare the terrorists. If they knew the ship was based in San Francisco, they'd probably run when they saw it out of fear that they might catch something.

134 rickl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:22:33pm
#17 RightWingNutJob 8/20/2005 02:54PM PDT

It's easy for them to be pacifists when they live safely in a country where they are protected by the US military. The great pacifist myth is that all you have to do is declare unilateral peace and the world will just conform. Gandhi and Martin Luther King were great men of peace and they were both gunned down by assassins. Pacifism won't save you. The US military will.

And John Lennon, too.

135 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:24:00pm

I've often wondered if the last words John Lennon heard shortly after his death were, "Imagine there's no heaven."

136 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:24:36pm

Farking ingrates. No doubt they would refer to the Pacific War as the Racist War of Aggression Against the Peaceful Japanese People.

A plan:
We hunt up one of those ultra-nationalist Japanese groups; you know, like the gang that whack-job writer dude had back in the 70s when he ordered his own followers to cut his head off as the cops closed in on them.
We open secret negotiations with them, extend diplomatic recognition, and conclude a treaty giving them sovereignty over the Moonbat areas of SF.
We fly them across the Pacific en masse to take possession of their new domain, the Greater East Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere. They can stop off at Midway Island on the way to pick up suitable weapons and NBC gear*. We don't announce this until they have surrounded City Hall and started to clean up the streets.
We can call it Operation Karma (different part of Asia, I know, but it works).

* A necessary precaution: undisciplined moonbats, San Francisco, samurai swords....

137 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:25:04pm

@121 engineerinwoman-molon labe

Welcome aboard lizzard! :)
Don your kevlar jammies and start posting!

Many thanx for your fathers service to this country in the prevailance of our freedoms.


@123 LittleSpaceshipBuilder

Another texican lizzard! Hooahh!


/is that you dave?
138 Apprentice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:27:13pm

quark2
That is why there are such niceties as the buying of property and the spoils of war.

139 rickl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:30:48pm
#133 Rick Moore 8/20/2005 05:21PM PDT

Perhaps if the Navy can create a warship that shoots flowers out of the 16 inch guns, the city supervisors will be willing to have it as a neighbor. Of course, they'll have to paint it pink and fly a rainbow flag on the bow. That'll scare the terrorists.

San Franciscans would probably like it even better if it shot something else out of those 16 inch--

Never mind. Forget I said anything.

140 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:33:49pm

ROP? Yeah, right...New Muslim Peace Converts

141 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:37:14pm

i have just signed legislation outlawing san francisco forever. bombing starts in five minutes...

142 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:40:45pm

@138 Apprentice

Imminent Domain can change the status of owning property as citizens of New London have just realized. Not only did they have their land yanked from underneath them, they were also sued for back rent on their own homes.

143 Apprentice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:41:54pm

#130 reganite
Recent study seems to point toward the fact that crossbreeding may well have occurred. However, I am breaking Iron Fist’s rule quite a lot right now, and don’t want to derail this thread. So if I may be excused, I really should go and get some dinner. Perhaps we can take this up another time?

144 quark2  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:45:45pm

@141 Bayou_King

Ummmm....did you discuss this with Swampwoman? :)

145 gonzo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:48:44pm

I like sourdough bread. Let's not destroy 'Frisco yet.

146 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:49:16pm

Re: #136

Of course, the Chinese areas of SF would remain under US jurisdiction. We can warn the new rulers to stay of Chinatown or we will nuke them. They would probably believe us, no?

147 big L  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:51:01pm

11 Dom-- Fighting against the very terrorist forces that would kill the gay supes first.
--the gays should be the biggest,real supporter of the war in Iraq as it protects, ultimately them.

148 big L  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:53:00pm

11-former demo, i meant to write.

149 Apprentice  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:57:17pm

#142 quark2
I know...scares the poop out of me. Sooo...you are the Down Quark? I really do have to go now or the Mrs. will beat me to death with my B.L.T. sandwiches. Catch you all later.

150 big L  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:57:44pm

Put the Iowa in Long Beach Cal, right next to the Queen Mary.
It would really make an exciting exhibit and bring a whole lot of vistors to the port to see the Queen too.

151 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 3:58:33pm

#145 gonzo

"I like sourdough bread. Let's not destroy 'Frisco yet."

Absolutely right. This is why I support new management as an alternative to demolition. Even hard-core samurai nationalists will need revenue. The sourdough trade will not suffer under their enlightened rule.

152 Catttt  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:00:50pm
If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace.

This is a new low of insane stupidity for an LLL.

Are these people that stupid? I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says "Land of the free - because of the brave." What does this guy have?

153 dataman0  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:04:20pm

Courtesy of Ann #54 I have told them what I think of this decision and their city. In fact I am going to monetarily hurt one of their Businesses Schwab with headquarters there by moving my accounts to Vanguard.

154 Perpetual Student  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:05:45pm

#54 Ann

Here are the moonbat supervisors.

We should thank the three who voted for it. Just don't know whch ones.

If I had to judge soley by their descriptions, they'd be Bevan Dufty, Sean Elsbernd, and Jake McGoldrick. The rest of them list alliances with ultra-leftist organizations. Anyone living under the thumbs of these jerks wish to comment?

155 LittleSpaceshipBuilder  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:08:53pm

#118 quark:

We have the Battleship Texas moored at the San Jacinto Monument, it's awesome.

I was waiting for someone to mention that. I have a six footer in my garage:

Behind the 1/1 scale R2-D2

156 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:15:29pm

#154 PS

Like Scott in the east bay, that's where I live. Although I have a great view of SF, I haven't gone there for 1+ years now. The city where I worked for many years is far too dirty, far too littered with mentally ill homeless, and its people are polluted politically.

Those supes seem very popular, from what I've heard.

I just have Jerry Brown and many other moonbats to deal with on this side of the bay!

157 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:15:59pm

#150 Big L

Perhaps SF should have acquired the Iowa, then traded Long Beach for the Queen. Seems fitting, somehow....

158 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:16:24pm
a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California’s annual asparagus festival.

Elitist much? I guess if you don't have homeless people hitting you for money every block and pissing/crapping on the sidewalk, you just have no class.

And the Navy's perfectly capable of putting the screws to them in repayment, and I hope they do. Last year they did NOT send the Blue Angels to the annual Fleet Week, which is a BIG tourist attraction. I always considered the Fleet Week ships my birthday present from the Pentagon, since the USN and I share a birthday. And the Angels came every year - last year? Nope. Maybe the Navy can cancel the ships this year as well. Would serve them right (although I'd miss them!).

159 dataman0  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:17:20pm

Perhaps it is time to build a Montana class battleship.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

160 piglet  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:17:22pm

No chance that the ship could be leased to israel and work another 20 years kicking ass and taking names? Might be impressive sitting off the coast of Gaza.

161 big L  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:21:41pm

I saw an ad in the Long BEach ca locla news for a home in the Marina District--
7.4 million dollars. I wonder if it was a misprint.

162 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:24:54pm

#161 BigL

I'm sure it wasn't a misprint. Marina District is very desirable (many places have views of the GG Bridge).

Even fixers in my 'hood in the Oakland hills are going for 1+ million....

Crazy around here.

163 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:26:02pm

#110 mpax

The only time I visited SF, many years ago, I was robbed

And getting a concealed gun permit in California, especially the Bay Area, is next to impossible.

However, last time I checked, there was nothing illegal about carrying a clawhammer.

164 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:29:13pm

#162 former dem

It's getting worse in the North Bay, even. I live in Fairfield, and I "inherited" my house, meaning bought out my sisters' interests for $80,000 back in 2000. I recently refied and it appraised at $400,000 - I couldn't even qualify to buy my own house now.

165 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:40:12pm

#164 Carolina Girl,

Yeah, I completely understand what you're saying. We bought 12 years ago for 400K, now it's triple if we sold. Want to leave this house as it's too big and too much maintenance....but looked at other places around here (mainly out in CoCoCo) and was shocked. Bid on a fixer rancher out in Lafayette that was basically a tear down and it went for 1.5m with 45 offers!

So the only alternative is to cash out before any so-called bubble hits and move out of CA, most likely. That's the plan.

You're lucky in that you had an inheritance situation. I don't know how people do it here. When the rates start spiking, there's going to be a bit of a depression as a lot of people here are buying more than they can afford and have no-interest loans.

Sad. But that's life in the fast lane here in the bay area. But I like where you live, Fairfield is nice.

166 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:43:35pm

Carolina Girl,
Former Demo,

do the smart thing:
scout out awesome place to live with housing prices 1/3 to 1/4 of your houses,
sell,
and live very well.

i know it is hard to wrench yourself out of california (i did it 4 years ago), but you will be rid of the moonbats, the congestion, the high prices, and you can always go back to visit....

(satisfied ex-californian)

167 manofaiki  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:46:17pm

The moonbats in San Francisco did not deserve to have this ship.

Good for you, STockton.


manofaiki

168 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:47:52pm

#154 Perpetual Student

NOT ADOPTED by the following vote:
Ayes: 3 - Alioto-Pier, Elsbernd, Ma
Noes: 8 - Ammiano, Daly, Dufty, Maxwell, McGoldrick, Mirkarimi, Peskin, Sandoval

169 boymichael  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:50:00pm

that is so funny...

and this 10 to 20% of America,
thinks it is the majority...

a huge percentage of Democrat Partisans,
have no clue how radical,
their Party has become...

The Moore-Franken Nightmare...

DNC Titanic

170 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:52:03pm

#166 Bayou King,

That's the plan! To get the heck out of moonbat territory here and cash out and have it pay for early retirement. Besides, the big concern, is that we live 1/2 mile from the Hayward fault here in the east bay (considered the most dangerous since it hasn't roared for quite awhile) and we didn't sign up to pay for the disgusting returns on earthquake coverage.

We're thinking about hill country of TX or somewhere else in the midwest or SE. What about your neck of the woods? Good values there?

Open to suggestions, desperately seeking to leave this crazy bay area....

171 AZ Lizard Kisser  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 4:55:49pm

Can we literally remove SF from our union? I'm serious. Let them be their own country, and withhold ANY federal funding from now on. They have shown that they aren't in support of any national defense, so why should they be entitled to be part of the rest of us? Kick them out.

172 ronaldusmagnus  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:02:33pm

The Iowa is a Midwest nic.

Bring her to the Great Lakes. Chicago, Toledo or Cleveland - all have capable ports.

She will be greeted with open arms, pride and respect.

173 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:08:18pm

former demo, Bayou_King

The current plan is sell and move back to N.C. in about five years. Flyboy and I have two homes to sell and figure we'll be able to pay cash, although I'll hate to see the mortgage deduction go.

demo, have you considered Livermore? Prices there are still under CoCoCo.

Fairfield's nice, but the crime is getting bad. Too many Richmond types moving up here because they can afford a home and bringing their gang/drug crap with them.

174 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:10:34pm

And from the Chronicle, their 2 Cents column in which they interview 'man on the street.'

3 out of 5 disagreed with their decision.


Maybe there's more of us out here than we know about?

[Link: sfgate.com...]

175 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:11:41pm

#170 former demo 8/20/2005 06:52PM PDT

"#166 Bayou King,

We're thinking about hill country of TX or somewhere else in the midwest or SE. What about your neck of the woods? Good values there?

Open to suggestions, desperately seeking to leave this crazy bay area.... "
--------------------------------------

a key thing i would advise you to decide is which population density you would like to have.

my mistaken thinking, once getting the hell out of L.A., was to look for as boonie a place as i could find.

but i realized that you get tired of driving forever to get to civilization, and sometimes the company out in the boonies can be . . . well . . . boonie.

talk to RebTex about hill country - really beautiful. i'm not sure about the humidity there - you would have to ask. he could fill you in on things up there.

you will have to get used to the idea that no place you pick will have as nice weather as california. if you can't accept that, stay where you are.

i hate heat and humidity, and here in the south, you've got plenty of it. so summer can be pretty miserable. on the bright side, your body does adjust (medical fact), and the second summer won't feel nearly as bad as the first.

the nice thing is that you appreciate the spring, fall, and winter much more. the spring & fall weather where i am in south louisiana is awesome, every bit as nice as cali.

as far as where i am, i have to say i lucked into an awesome place to live. at first i wasn't so sure, but the longer i am here, the more i appreciate it.

growing like crazy, tons of jobs available left and right for intelligent people, community feel, low crime, strong family atmosphere, drug problem extremely low, brand new 3-bdr. houses start at $129,000, i pay $475/month rent for a small 2-bdr. house. 3 bdr. house rents top out at $1000/month, cosmopolitan city of 110,000 people another 100K or so in surrounding area, so plenty of great restaurants, things to do, big Mardi Gras shindigs, huge FREE week-long music festival every year, where bands come from all over the world and they block off the downtown so you can drink your bevvie of choice in the streets while eating cajun food, great music, college town as well, lots of open space around the town, access to the bayous, you're two hours from new orleans if you want to visit, cops don't hassle you at all (unlike cali. cops), you're in the heart of cajun country, so some of the best food in the country, people are laid back, extremely nice & helpful. everything is cheap here. even gas tops out at $2.59 right now. last week i finally traded in my cali. driver's license & cali. plates at the DMV.
from start to finish, door to door, it took me 30 minutes flat. and get this - i walked out with the new license and plates IN MY HAND! etc. etc. etc.

not trying to praise overly much - just the truth. this town beats new orleans and baton rouge hands down, as far as quality of life.

name of town: Lafayette, Louisiana

176 ScottG  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:15:09pm

I lived in Stockton for the first 20 something years of my life. They were good times in the 60s and 70s, but now it's really not that nice, gritty does describe it unless you're in the newer neighborhoods. Maybe with the Iowa there it might be worth going again.

177 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:22:31pm

#175 Bayou-King

My former in-laws are from Ville Platte - always loved Lafayette. Huge Sonny Landreth fan.

178 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:25:48pm

#176 ScottG

Do you still live in CA or did you get out?

179 Baldy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:27:40pm

Even though many Americans do not like gays, and some hate us, our enemies kill gays. Is not San Francisco an example of the tolerance and freedom these people supposedly cherish? Could San Francisco exist in the Arab world? Or Hiler's Germany? Or Tojo's Japan? Or Stalin's Russia?

180 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:31:50pm

#177 Carolina Girl

oh, lord, don't get me started on the ville platte jokes

;-)

181 Baldy  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:31:59pm

When the next battle comes, or the next war, will they grant us* the priviledge of protecting them?

182 ratbert  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:32:57pm

With that attitude, don't expect any tears from me if the North Koreans nuke San Francisco one day soon.

183 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:35:19pm

carolina girl,
did you ever get to lafayette yourself?

due to the surprising robust arts community, there is a moonbat contingent here, if you can believe it in louisiana (the local paper is a left-wing rag, and endorsed Kerry!) - but it's not near as large or deranged as what you're dealing with in cali. the moonbats here are so far outnumbered that they know it and act much more sensibly - and as they have a lot more common sense then moonbaticus californicaticus, they don't pull the total BS you see on the left coast.

184 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:37:07pm

Hill Country near/in Austin is pretty pricey but not by California standards...

Nobody eats better than LA. Nobody has better quality of life than Texas for the money IMHO and I've been around most of the U.S.

One very well kept secret that is awfully pretty and most don't know about is NW Arkansas and SW Missouri.

The whole Gulf Shores area is nice too for the bucks as are NC, TN, parts of FL, and GA if you can stay away from Atlanta. In fact, I like most of the South.

By the way, I'm from Oklahoma so I have no bias but it is a cheap place to live.

185 Perpetual Student  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:39:35pm

#168 Shiplord Kirel

#154 Perpetual Student

NOT ADOPTED by the following vote:
Ayes: 3 - Alioto-Pier, Elsbernd, Ma
Noes: 8 - Ammiano, Daly, Dufty, Maxwell, McGoldrick, Mirkarimi, Peskin, Sandoval

D'oh! I missed Alioto-Pier when reading through their descriptions. Her "aye" vote makes sense. And Ma's a Democrat so her support is baffling--though no more so than Feinstein's.

Thanks for the link!

186 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:41:20pm

#175 Mr King of the Bayou,

Thanks very much. I think we're either going to your town or Israel, where the husband's family lives.

You are a very kind and informative guy (I think?)

Really appreciate all the information. Sounds like a nice place

187 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:47:24pm

#183 Bayou_King

Sure did - lived in the Crescent City for three years when I was married. Learned right away that the farther you got away from New Orleans, the better the Mardi Gras celebration - my ex is Cajun so I have many fais-do-do under my belt (and the hangovers to prove it).

I still order my gumbo shrimp from Cajun Grocer and have it shipped. And to me, if a gumbo recipe doesn't take 9 hours start to finish, it just ain't authentic!

188 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:50:09pm

#185 Perpetual Student

Is it possible that Ma is of Chinese descent? It might explain a soft spot for a Pacific War artifact if she is.

189 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:50:56pm

#186 former demo 8/20/2005 07:41PM PDT

"#175 Mr King of the Bayou,

Thanks very much. I think we're either going to your town or Israel, where the husband's family lives."

------------------------------------

best of luck in your decision! it took me a three-year mental struggle to get out of california. there are certain things i still miss terribly (deserts, mountains, pacific ocean), BUT they are thrice as sweet when i go back for a visit.

190 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:53:41pm

#185 Perpetual student

though no more so than Feinstein's.

Oddly, Feinstein tried to bring the USS Missouri to the Bay Area and did her best to stop the base closures, which really cancelled a military presence - and took jobs to other counties when they all closed. But, when you really look at it, her efforts had more to do with enhancing S.F. revenue than showing support for the military.

She did stand up for the Blue Angels when the "OH my G-D! They're frightening us by flying so close!" imbeciles crawled out from under their rocks and screamed every year (at least 8 or 9 letters to the editor of the Comical every October). I worked at Embarcadero Center, and got to watch their practice out our conference room window. BEST free show in town, bar none!

191 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 5:58:51pm

#187 Carolina Girl 8/20/2005 07:47PM PDT

"#183 Bayou_King

my ex is Cajun so I have many fais-do-do under my belt (and the hangovers to prove it).

I still order my gumbo shrimp from Cajun Grocer and have it shipped. And to me, if a gumbo recipe doesn't take 9 hours start to finish, it just ain't authentic!
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gotta love the mardi gras in mamou where a gang of masked guys start drinking at 6 a.m. and ride horses to all the farms, scaring up chickens for the big gumbo pot. by the afternoon, they are falling off their horses, and that is part of the fun.

a 9-hour gumbo would sure be tasty! mine only takes about 4 hours, but i like it.
(psst - a lot of the locals now cheat and use "roux in a jar" - prepared liquid roux. even the old folks say it tastes just the same, and give it the seal of approval!)

***for those not in the know, a roux is a semi-burnt mixture of flour, oil & onions, that makes the base for cajun gumbo***

192 former demo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 6:01:00pm

OK you'alls,
I'm either off to TX or OK or Israel. Time to walk the 16+ year old mutt and come home for a cee-gar.

thanks again Bayou King for your advice.

Over and out from moonbat central. You'll like this - neighbors are getting their house remodeled and they wrapped their shit house in bamboo to make it look like Christo!

193 Zack  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 6:03:49pm

Cindy Sheehan: 35% Favorable 38% Unfavorable

Looks like the unfavorables have it.

Bottom line: Ms Sheehan & al Reuters are doing Karl Rove's work for him. Way to go, Al & Cin!

194 Carolina Girl  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 6:12:59pm

#191 Bayou_King

I got to witness a

courier du mardi gras

visiting Paul's cousins in Frilot Cove one year. One of them asked me if I wanted to ride on the back of the horse. My husband said, "uh, no, don' tink so, cher...."

In truth, five of those nine hours are making the stock. I put the chicken, trinity and cachet d'espices in a 4:00 a.m. and then get up to make the roux. (Making a roux and nursing a hangover...not a good combination). A friend came over and almost dipped his finger into it until I told him that another name for roux was "cajun napalm...."

195 Bayou_King  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 6:19:12pm

#194 Carolina Girl

ahhhh, she used the term "trinity."
a true cajun sage...

196 Macker  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 6:54:31pm

And to think this fortification would have guarded San Francisco way back when...until Pearl Harbor changed the rules.
It's too bad Sen. Feinstein didn't tell the Board of Supervisors the following:

"I secure 3 MILLION DOLLARS of taxpayer funds to bring home a ship which could have brought some JOBS and more tourism revenue to the City of San Francisco, and you have the nerve to vote it down because of how the military treats gays and lesbians?
“You a**holes seem to forget that it’s the same military who protects your sorry a**es so you that you can do what you want, with whoever you want, and however you want to do it without fear from getting wiped out from the ones who would just as soon behead you because of how you want to do it!"
197 Perpetual Student  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 7:16:13pm

#188 Shiplord Kirel

#185 Perpetual Student

Is it possible that Ma is of Chinese descent? It might explain a soft spot for a Pacific War artifact if she is.

Indeed, she is.

Fiona Ma, a Chinese-American San Francisco supervisor who represents a heavily Chinese district, said Friday she's working with city attorneys to draft legislation that will keep exhibits like "The Universe Within" out of the city unless organizers can verify the consent of people who donated the bodies or their families.

[...]

"Chinese culture has very strong beliefs about death," said Ma, the daughter of Chinese parents.

You may have something there. Good catch.

198 realwest  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 7:55:25pm

#179 Baldy - not that I think you're still around (although I hope you are and hope that double vision jazz is over with)I think you're preaching to the choir here.
While I'm afraid some LGF'ers are "anti-gay" my impression is that the vast majority of us are either gay friendly (like me) or at least gay tolerant.
What you need to do is reach out to the SF Gay Community to say what you did on #179. And no I'm not saying that because YOU'RE GAY, I think WE ALL SHOULD reach out that way, but because you are gay, I would think the same message delivered by you, would have more weight in the gay community than would my message.
Maybe you and I should right a book or booklet something along the lines of "Gay Life Under Islam" and have them or at least try to have them distributed throughout San Francisco and New York and NOT necessarily targeting the rejection of the USS Iowa, but maybe as a jumping off or starting point.
(obviously it doesn't have to be you and me, but a gay man and a staight man; and to make the diversity cup overflow, maybe add a lesbian and a straight woman as well).
It absolutely boggles my mind that Gay men don't understand how they would be treated under Islam and that lesbian woman don't get the double whammy about how Islam would treat them as a) woman and b) lesbians. Just a thought.

199 adela  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:05:21pm

San FranSIKO,as Savage calls it...
Liberalism is a mental disorder!

200 Jim Rockford  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:05:34pm

Hmmm ... SF Mayor Gavin Newsome plans to run for Governor against Arnie.

Gee, that will sure help his campaign now wont' it?

201 realwest  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:38:10pm

#41 BenZacharia (and all others who feel the way Ben does). I live here in the heart of the bluest city in the blueist state in the Nation.
We have (and have had it for nearly 20 years or so now) the aircraft carrier USS Intrepid (fitted out to also be an air and space museum- they've got, among other things, an SR-1 Blackbird on the flight deck, Huey Choppers from Vietnam etc.) and the entire display includes a destroyer and a submarine both from the World War II era. I'm told by reliable sources that it's one of the most visited tourist places in NYC. We LOVE the Intrepid (and it was bought and dragged/dugged whatever the right phrase is to New York by the Fischer Brothers, perhaps the MOST successful real estate developers in NYC history. Bought with private funds, transported with private funds, repair, refitted etc. etc. all with private money. And during Fleet weeks, it's my impression from talking to dozens and dozens of sailors that they LOVE NYC because people here treat them with respect. And It's been that way long before 9/11. (IIRC, she was opened as a museum in 1985 and has added to the museum collection items like spacecraft (I've forgotten which Apollo space capsule) and a gallery and film presentation on ALL of the Medal of Honor Winners since WWII, etc.). Other than pointing out how great I think MY hometown is, I guess the only point I'm trying to make is that just because a city/state is blue, doesn't mean that it can't also be patriotic. And of course in NYC that patriotism has grown or been demonstrated far more after 9/11.
San Francisco can simply go fuck itself; it is, FORTUNATELY, a truly unique city that happens to be within the borders of the United States of America.

202 Harvard@Cal  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:38:29pm

"Gritty" Stockton? Having lived in both SF and Stockton, let me point out that there are not scabby, lice-infested, crank-detoothed bums on every intersection of Pacific Ave. Now Van Ness Ave, that's parasite heaven, as it were. I've got to wash my car every time I toodle through SF.

Folks who WORK for a living in the Bay Area buy homes in the San Joaquin Valley (Stockton, Tracy, Modesto) cause they can afford them there (as opposed to the Disneyland of Deiviency). SF needs to wake up; the well-groomed, beautiful city of my youth has become a drugged out skag living in the past and stinking in the present. Keep going this way and the future looks none too sweet.

203 Gringo  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:48:53pm

#108 Athos
It may not be a big one, but here's my step. I cancelled my hotel reservation for a Labor Day weekend drive / visit to SF. I just will not go there - or spend my money there. We will go someplace else if we travel at all that weekend.

Hats off to you! Go to the head of the "Respect" line for your fair share.
Thanks for your step.

204 Big Wabbit  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 8:57:04pm

Two guys standing on the Golden Gate bridge - one asks 'WHAT KIND OF BOAT IS THAT?" The other says "THAT IS A FERRY BOAT" the first says "I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD A NAVY"

/pc off

205 RayH  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 9:27:53pm

I remember when the carrier I was on pulled into Sf while Feinstein was mayor. She made some comment about how the navy was ok but that she wouldn't want her son to be in it. I wasn't impressed with her then, I'm disgusted with her now.
I seem to recall reading that SF is on the jihadi's nuclear to do list because of the high jewish population. Wonder how idiotarian the survivors will be if AQ gets on in on them?

206 Copano_Texian  Sat, Aug 20, 2005 9:45:13pm

I went to that guy Ross Mirkarimi's page at the SF website. Two things caught my attention:
Community and Civic Activities


Director, SF Nuclear Freeze Zone Coalition
Co-Founder, California Green Party
Union Negotiator, DAI Association; Member, IFPTE Local 2
Member, Harvey Milk Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender Democratic Club
Member, Iranian-American Chamber of Commerce
Environmental Analyst, Harvard Study Team (Iraq) Bayview Hunters Point, Calfornia Base Closures
Member, National Organization for Women (NOW)

[Link: www.sfgov.org...]

1. Whoever edited that page can't spell California.
2. If I read this right this guy is a gay muslim?
Question, does this guy have the urge to commit honor suicide or stone himself to death? I know he didn't edit the page but come on, I can't spell worth a crap but California? Nobody noticed

207 foreign devil  Sun, Aug 21, 2005 4:31:58am

I'm not an American so I CAN QUESTION THE LOYALTIES OF THESE PEOPLE IN SAN FRANSCISCO! What's wrong with them? Don't they know that you support your nation during wartime? ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR TEENY TINY MINDS?

208 johnCV  Sun, Aug 21, 2005 5:21:28am

There is something seriously wrong with the people in SF to accept this decision from the city council.

I suppose if the US ever gets invaded, the rest of us have the right to decline to defend SF?

209 engineerinwoman-molon labe  Sun, Aug 21, 2005 8:08:40am

#192 Former Demo

Over and out from moonbat central. You'll like this - neighbors are getting their house remodeled and they wrapped their shit house in bamboo to make it look like Christo!


HAAAAAHAAAAHAHAAAHAHAHA LMAO!
Please send a pic. I manage construction at a NC university, and simply must incorporate this into our construction guidelines? Does it help prevent portajohn tipping?

Semper Paratus,
Engineerinwoman
Molon Labe

210 Frisco Patriot  Sun, Aug 21, 2005 12:58:10pm

#49

Zombie is a start... Where are the rest of you?

Well, we're all over town, to be frank. We go out and demonstrate against the "anti-war" jackasses and anti-Semites repeatedly, and over the last few years we have succeeded in reducing their turnout numbers and weakening their morale. It's not just Zombie by any means! And if you think the actions of the SF supes in this disgusting affair - and so many other instances - "represent" how most San Franciscans think, you couldn't be more wrong. Much of the town is ashamed and repulsed. Also, the gay press here has repeatedly concentrated on how islamic fascism is a threat against their interests.

Obviously, there are an enormous number of confused, hateful moonbats here. this is the *the* leftlib American stronghold. But one of the benefits of living among them is learning how to persuade, argue, and convince, not just reflexively becoming enraged and cursing San Francisco, hoping it will be destroyed. When you engage in that way, you change history! When you resort to blanket condemnation, you're no different than your genocidal enemies, are you?

Honestly, isn't that *precisely* what the islamofascists do? America is "the Great Satan" and Israel is the "little Satan" and they're ready to murder every living being in both places. What's the difference between that and hoping Frisco is destroyed?

San Francisco has many, many wonderful people. I have amazing friends here! They wouldn't thrive in Omaha or Abilene or St. Petersberg, perhaps, but they thrive in San Francisco - and they absolutely support the war against the islamofascists by American armed forces. You simply don't hear their voices! There are aspects of the town that enrage me consistently, and much that I cherish. But one thing that living here has taught me, people can and do change their ideas and behavior. Just this past weekend, in a certain 'spiritual' context, the assembly's leader went off on an anti-Bush and "anti-violence" harangue. Pure bull shit! I took him on in front of everybody - using the arguments prevalent on the this list - and firmly, calmly, completely, defeated him in public. Afterwards, many people came up to me to say how much they appreciated what I'd done.

I said that not boastfully, but to emphasize that if you want to change history you must confront the enemy's ideas, even in a mono-cultural stronghold like northern California.

I find the combat very satisfying, despite the odds.

You might start with c , a link that knocks down the leftlib SF Comical., which has been coming (partially) to its political senses.

What many people around the country don't comprehend is that there are thousands upon thousands of northern Californians - including residents of Frisco - who are strongly opposed to islamic fascism


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