This is what they mean by maintaining the "calm".

Frustrating and predictable

...and sorry for re-posting my earlier post, but I think the Israeli gov't is being foolish:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Time to say FU and declare war.

I'm sick of this sh*t.

What more is there to say about these cretins?

I hope this doesn't strain the precarious 'truce'.

/sarc

...just another expendable Paleo child...

Maureen Dowd just happened to be walking by. Here's her take on the news:

"Border police sappers blew up the bomb and the youth..."

The quote is now suitable for an AP headline or photo caption.

So this is the Palistinian version of a Bar Mitzvah, right?

"We will have peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us."
Golda Meir, speaking years before the first child-suicide bombers appeared.

This is what Palestinians want to prevent by gaining "control of their borders" - they want to prevent Israel from catching such people and "giving the Palestinian cause a bad name."

Kinda like Hamas blaming Sharon for the latest suicide attack.

Nice folks to have to live next to.

I feel terrible for the parents. Their child is a failure - didn't even attempt to detonate the bombs and kill a few Joooish soldiers - and there is no payment from Saddam anymore.

Then again, I guess if I was a Palestinian, I'd want to blow myself up too.

No 72 virgins for him, at least for now. He'll have to wait till he's released. It's for the good though. When he's in his 20's he'll know better what to do with the virgins and the stanamin of a hundred men!

stupid jews, just keep making the arabs pissed and this is what you get. please all jooos need to do the right thing and kill themselves. dont you realize how much grief and strife (or strife and grief) your causing by being alive. please for the good of the whole world, kill your self. these arabs can not be expected to control themselves with logic like normal humans; this is probably due to their brown skin. but i am sure as soon as you get past your "old thinking" that you have a right to live on this earth; you will do the right thing to help these lesser brown skin incapable of controlling themselves almost humans and kill yourself for peace.

But Isreal is the roblem and is killing all the innocent people.

/"mother" sheean

#12 PIMF

Palestinian should be "Palestinian", or "so-called Palestinian". No sense giving implied legitimacy where none is due.

I'm sure it will be spun as Israelis exploiting the media to defame Palestinians!

I keep picturing the future Paleo state looking like a city scene in the move Escape From New York .

Oh, I'm sure the she-Muslim that produced him will have another litter in another year.

Oh, but all those naaasty checkpoints have to be eliminated so that the poor "Palestinians" aren't inconvenienced!

/sarc

i'd like to think that this youth is pissing himself over being "referred to shin bet for questioning"...unfortunately, i think that they lack the basic intellect to fear anymore.
can we please NOT give these people a state.

Put the belt on him and send him right back.

Oh yeah, and "land for peace," too. (s/)

#14 blutonazi98

stupid jews, just keep making the arabs pissed and this is what you get.

Yeah, that whole breathing thing seems to really get on the Palis nerves. In and out, in and out. Its so repetitive.

#22

Put the belt on him and send him right back.

Now there's an idea. The IDF can stamp "return to sender" on his forehead and send his sponsors an IDF greeting card.

Sending 14-year-olds on bomb-planting murder
missions is a much more logical tactic than splody-dopes. If the varmint
is caught, the Liberal Israeli justice system
will probably give him a light sentence, or let
him go with a couple of hundred comrades-in-bombs as a "goodwill gesture" in the
next rounds of "peace" talks.

So whether or not he is caught makes no difference- the varmint will be able to repeat
his crimes ad infinitum- or at least till he
gets into a beef with a fellow "Palestinian".

( Their justice is a tad less liberal.)

Al Zarqawi the Jordanian can always recruit fellow Palis to join his Sunni gang terrorizing next door in Iraq, if they survive their initiation blast.

It's the terrorist islam.

Axe Wielding Liberal Paddler

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

Axe Wielding Liberal Paddler #26

I am beginning to believe that getting started on some genocide as it relates to these jackasses would be a good idea.

For the record, you don't speak for me.

"You see, this is just another Israeli tactic to impeed freedom of movement for the poor, oppressed Palestinians. In New York, bicycle couriers are allowed to go wherever they wish carrying messages and parcels between buisnesses, but when the poor Palestinians try to send thier primary export abroad, it is destroyed by the evil Israelis and the courier is detained for some reason. Tactics such as this are designed to further destroy the Palestinian economy, which will only cause more distress and dispair."

-UN envoy Jean Marie Dominique, AFP

Big Krackers

I keep picturing the future Paleo state looking like a city scene in the move Escape From New York .

Only with more heads on sticks and less buildings.

"Sharon deprives Palestinian boy of 72 raisins, film at Eleven."

not that i want to even DARE to open up the previous (and contentious) dis-engagement threads but between the would be bus bomber and this kid --this is really sounding like they are stepping up matters.

It would take decades to reverse this mental illness, but then again, we know that this will not stop because they don't want it to.

I think it's time that Israel completes the wall and fills the other side with gasoline and a single lit match being tossed in.

#21 pointed stick, he might be pissing himself over the fact that he has to go home after questioning by the shin bet. we all know what the lovely "palestinians" do to "collaborators"

Terror on the rise despite 'tahdiya'

The first seven months of the year have witnessed a gradual increase in attempts by all West Bank terror organizations, especially Islamic Jihad, to launch attacks – despite the Palestinian-declared tahdiya (truce) on January 22 – a seven-page report published by the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) revealed on Monday.

The calm has deteriorated slowly, coming to a head in July with 436 attempted attacks registered for that month alone. There was also a 50 percent increase in Gaza-based mortar attacks during the same period with a total of 142 mortar shells fired at settlements, compared with 65 in May, the report stated.

"Cease-fire" in the Western media when referring to the "Palestinians" is simply a lie, and it's intentional.

Secondly they NEVER credit Israeli security for the decrease in "successful" terror attacks.

pointed stick

not that i want to even DARE to open up the previous (and contentious) dis-engagement threads but between the would be bus bomber and this kid --this is really sounding like they are stepping up matters.

See the article I posted above--they never stopped.

Since the 'palistinians' hate the Jews so much then it must be difficult for them to have any dealings with them. So, to make it easier for the 'palistinians', close all border crossings immediately and finish building the wall. The 'palistinians' obviously do not really want to have anything to do with the Israelis so let them fend for themselves in their 'land'.

They can set up Kool-Aid stands and wait for customers with money (Abu Mazan and his thugs that rip off all aid money) and then they won't have to associate with the people they think are infidels.

Refugees...what a load of shite. Give these animals an inch and they want a mile...it will never change.

I have to wonder, is the kid a juvenile jihadi, or one of the handicapped that the paleos are so glad to make use of? Animals.

Skip this post if you are sensitive to cognative dissonance:

Palestinians Said Committed to Cease-Fire

First sentence:

Palestinian militant groups told an Egyptian envoy Monday they remained committed to a cease-fire with Israel, a day after a suicide bomber blew himself up outside an Israeli bus station, Palestinian officials said.

And pleeease don't read this sentence if you have high blood pressure:

Sunday's suicide bombing in Beersheba, which killed the attacker and seriously wounded two security guards, came days after Israeli troops killed five Palestinians in a West Bank raid and in the wake of two deadly attacks against Arabs by lone Jewish gunmen.

Thank you Ibrahim Barzak of the Associated Press for that context.

ploome #39 and 41

I agree with you. No idea which rocks they're crawling out from under, but I wish they'd STFU and go back there. They're just as bad as the terrorists who preach genocide of non-Muslims. Feh.

#18 Big Krackers 8/29/2005 10:38AM PDT

I keep picturing the future Paleo state looking like a city scene in the move Escape From New York .

You an' Iron Fist. :-)

I keep picturing it as looking like
Racoon City

Solomon X #44

Well, my blood pressure sure is up now.

Any comments advocating "genocide" will be deleted as soon as I become aware of them. People who continue to post things like this will be blocked.

#34 pointed stick 8/29/2005 10:55AM PDT

not that i want to even DARE to open up the previous (and contentious) dis-engagement threads

Those closed?

in my best Patrick Henry voice:

"I have not yet begun to retreat!"

/not an actual quote, but actions, those damn actions and how they speak...

This teenage splodeydope didn't actually blow anybody up, so that counts as honoring the cease fire, right?

/sarc

why was he handed over for questioning

he should have been detonated with his bombs because that's what he was going to do anyway

then you could be sure he'd not try this again

#41 ploome

they are recognizing that the palestinians want to commit genocide. And would prefer to see it happen to the other side first.

I'm not saying I agree, I'm simply explaining where the feeling is coming from.

So far, I have never seen anything that gives me any other impression. I truly believe that if the Palestinians ever get the upper hand, they will massacre everyone in sight. They are murderous people.

It is not just the adults either, it's the kids as well. And it's not just this generation. This goes back pretty far, it goes back before the state itself.

One of the survivors from the the pre-state Hebron massacre who played dead reported afterwards that the children played a "game" of finding who was alive and then drawing the attention of the adults to that person, who would kill the individual. Those children are now the grandparents of todays adults.

I don't want genocide. Not because I care about the Palestinians, but because I know that short of direct prophecy, and that involves a bit more than some guy just saying he's "a prophet", murder on such a scale is a terrible sin that G-d does not take lightly. We have enough sins on our heads (l'havdil) we don't need any more.

I know that in the end, G-d will take revenge for us. Because I know that ultimately, G-d punishes and exacts justice for everything whether we like it or not. No, my concern is that Jews get their acts together and treat each other in peace and brotherhood. Recognizing that they must cooperate and treat each other with respect even when they disagree. Which is easy to say, but not easy for anyone, myself included to do.

As for the U.S. of A, my concern is that the country take a stand against the terrorists and the internal madmen who want to destroy everything good in it. I think the situation is a lot better than it seems in a lot of ways, but also potentially much worse. I'm very happy that president Bush is in office because thanks to him, the United States, and consequently, civilization is safe for another (hopefully) generation.

Years from now, George Bush II will be remembered on the same level as Theodore Roosevelt. A man who waged war to preserve civilization.

-ron

Some of the commenters are tarnishing the integrity of thoughtful responders here. I agree, they're distressing. The kinds of comments the Left loves to pick up and broadcast as typical of lgf...goes beyond mere trolling.

Phyllis Chesler at Front Page mag used to have some interesting info on the debased family culture of Palestinian terrorist recruits. Real creepy stuff. Behavioral sink...a sink the other Arabs created cynically and with malice aforethought.

#9
Don't forget that the boy's mother will also be his second cousin, so in that respect they
aren't that close.

Thank you, Charles, for the prompt cleanup in aisle 26. If you want to delete my #30 because I quoted from #26, please feel free.

#37 amyc
very good point.

#40 Spirtitualized
i noted your article only after my posting --confirms my fear. and met with more harsh rhetoric from sharon i'll bet. i love a good rhetoric war. we have met the enemy and he is us.

Apparently school's open in Gaza...

Has anyone of the medical/psychological persuasion ever studied the indoctrination of Pali children into the death cult mentality that would lead a 14 year old into this sort of behavior? How interesting it would be to see THAT in the Lancet instead of the wacko 100K dead civilians in Iraq "studies."

58 AmericanGirl

Has anyone of the medical/psychological persuasion ever studied the indoctrination of Pali children into the death cult mentality that would lead a 14 year old into this sort of behavior

Actually any study of the Hitler Youth would do - the same nihilsitic genocidal mentality.

Thousands of New Orleans residents went through checkpoints this weekend to gain entrance to the Superdome.

Surprisingly, nobody turned into a suicide bomber after suffering the indignity of a checkpoint.

#49 alkmyst
i suspect they are still going strong (and you are well represented there as well), i try to stay clear of the fire unless i am confident that i know what i am talking about, in which case i walk right into the flames. on THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, i am hopelessly conflicted so i defer to those of you with a better knowledge base than i.

OT

Very interesting, and sad, article about the soldier convicted of the killing of Tom Hurndal.
Who put Taysir el-Heyb in charge?

The main factor in turning the villagers against the family is the fact that Amira el-Heyb, the 20-year-old sister of Taysir (22) and Walid (21), enlisted in the Border Police, becoming the first Bedouin woman to serve in a combat position in the security forces

Before people start banging on Ariel Sharon remember that this incident took place in the West Bank and would have happened (as it has unfortunately in the past many times) whether the settlements in Gaza were there or not. Israel is at war and needs to remember that he enemy is the P.A., not just the P.A.'s storm troopers of Hamas, AAMB, IJ, etc.

#59 Joel

Make that nihilistic genocidal suicidal mentality and I think you've got it spot on. Even the Hitler Youth weren't indoctrinated to blow themselves up along with their victims.
A whole society filled with sociopaths. How can anyone ever imagine that these people will be able to live peacefully side by side with Israel?!

Thank you, Charles

18 Big Krackers

I keep picturing the future Paleo state looking like a city scene in the move Escape From New York .

Actually Iwas thinking of more on teh scale of New York City in the 1979 movie (one of my faovirte campy flicks) called "The Warriors" where armies of gangs fight on the graffitied subways and thorughout New York City.

#20 Amy
Are you sure you aren't quoting verbatim Amira Hass or Gideon Levy from Ha'artez (aka Ha'Hamas)?

Joel #67

LOL! I can't read Ha'aretz any more - it makes me too furious. Especially Hass, which in German means "hate." Appropriate, no?

64 AmericanGirl
Every now and then The History Channel has a 3 part documentary repeated called "The S.S." Anyway I was struck by the narrator Edward Herrmann's description of the 12th SS Panzer Division called The Hitlerjugend Division which was made up of Hitler Youth members approximately 18 years old and which fought ferociously in Normandy where it was virtually wiped out. He said that they were "trained to give out death and to accept death as if it was the most natural thing in the world." The same goes for the Paleos.

68 Amy
Someone else commented on Hass's name as well. The sad thing is that the Pali loving witch has parents who were Holocaust survivors. I think that Gideon Levy is even worse then her. I never read Ha'aretz unless there is a link to it. It is to Israel what the NY Times is to America - an enemy loving newspaper. Amos Schocken the publisher is a major league whack job.

Welcome to Intifada III. It started the day Israel withdrew from Gaza.

And, with all the sarcasm I can muster: LAND FOR PEACE.

#52 ron

Sure you don't mean Franklin Roosevelt?

#48 charles

please dont block me due to my #14. i only stated that jooos should all die. this is still ok right? it is only other peoples/races that genocide is bad right? i may be a bit confused as i was only able to read the NY times and watch CNN this weekend

/msm off

OT again

Does anybody know the definition of a "hate crime"?
US: Swastikas burned into Jewish family's yard

Two swastikas were spray-painted in the road in front of Ginger Ragans' two-story home Sunday and a third was etched onto her lawn, along with the word "Fascist" and an obscenity scrawled in the grass.

Gwinnett County police are uncertain whether to classify it as a hate crime

Two swastikas were spray-painted in the road in front of Ginger Ragans' two-story home Sunday and a third was etched onto her lawn, along with the word "Fascist" and an obscenity scrawled in the grass.
Gwinnett County police are uncertain whether to classify it as a hate crime

It can't possibly be a hate crime, since all they were doing was speaking truth to Eeeevil Joooish Zionazi Power™.

/do I REALLY need to?

When is this farce going to end?

In an article in the DT.

Radical websites defy deportation threat by urging Islamic war on West

Read it all. It shows what we are up against. These people are upping the ante and consequently limiting our choice to the one option that frightens the pants off them.

"They have gone astray so we want to treat them in a way that will set them straight. . . We want to treat them the way clerics treat their students, the way fathers treat their sons."

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Interesting comment about father's treatment of their sons. Below is a link of the way muslim fathers treat their daughters.

A TRUE STORY OF ISLAMIC SLAVERY- THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT THIER WOMEN

[Link: uppompeii.blogspot.com...]

Plus information on the brutal and barbaric nature of the acquisition of slaves in Sudan.

ISLAMIC SLAVERY CONTINUES

ISLAMIC SLAVERY

ISLAMIC UPGRADE freebies from your taxes

it is sooo 90's to think you cant hate the jooos sheesh dont you watch TV?

amir #74

Wow. Just wow.

It appears that the "uncertainty" stems from speculations about the perps' motive. If it was primarily because the victim blew the whistle on them when they were violating curfew, rather than as a "pure" expression of Jew-hatred, then, hey, it's just an "ancillary" issue that the retaliation just happened to take the form of an antisemitic attack, right?

I wonder what would have happened had the whistleblower been African American, and the punks burned a cross on her lawn and scrawled KKK on her property.

I am so sick and tired of the double standard when it comes to attacks on Jews.

Police are unsure whether the incident constituted a "hate crime," said county police spokesman Darren Moloney.

I don't care for the idea of hate crime at all. Add to that that it actually could possibly be kids, who weren't really motivated by racial or religious bigotry but, as children will do, just resorted to the most powerful insult they can think of. I'm not saying it is more or less likely, just could be.

That being said, it makes my head spin to think how fast the police would stick the hate crime label on it if the victims were from some other group.

Now remember Islam is the religion of Pieces..

And there is a reason for everything

From the islamic wakos...

Mohammed was a nice guy who only beheaded people when they didnt do what he wanted..

Islam isnt responsible its the vast zionist conspiracy to make islam look bad.

It was really the jews who planted the bombs and trained all the suicide bombers.. Again to discredit islam

Fast food has ingedients to make muslim men infertile.

Western polio medicine was designed by the cia to make muslim girls infertile...

The following Polio outbreak is a zionist plot.

Mohammed couldnt get it up again a zionist plot...

Why am i even surprised at the SHEER lunacy of islam nothing surprises me anymore..

Every Koran sold must come with a bomb making kit and a tin foil hat...

Idiots..

Rayra #80

Article from JPost on status of the fence:

Link

From the article:

The first 32-kilometer section stretching from Moshav Nehusha south of Beit Shemesh to Shomriya is expected to be completed by mid-October, six weeks ahead of schedule, a senior IDF officer said Sunday.

But the remaining – and crucial – 26-kilometer stretch that would block the lower Hebron Hills of the West Bank, where some 420,000 Palestinians live, from the northern Negev won't be finished until next summer, if not later.

"We know that the border is wide open. The fact that a suicide bomber could penetrate was not unexpected," said a senior officer during a patrol along the route of the security fence.

He said the IDF had recently deployed a battalion to patrol the area, adding that without a fence in place it remained porous to infiltrations.

79 Amy

It appears that the "uncertainty" stems from speculations about the perps' motive.

That's the fatal flaw in the whole concept of a hate crime. It's up to prosecutors to divine motive. Prosecutors are political animals.

I'm sure that there other laws on the books that could be used in a situation like this, bit I don't know what you do if prosecutors won't enforce the law.

Re #58:

Has anyone of the medical/psychological persuasion ever studied the indoctrination of Pali children into the death cult mentality that would lead a 14 year old into this sort of behavior? How interesting it would be to see THAT in the Lancet instead of the wacko 100K dead civilians in Iraq "studies."

Americangirl, actually, (as I rummage through my archives, I interviewed Dr. Shafiq Masalha, a clinical psychologist and lecturer at Tel Aviv University on just that issue last year. Below are excerpts from the post on [Link: www.AccessMiddleEast.org...] (now, unfortunately, defunct):

---
Shafiq Masalha: The dark dreams of Palestinian children
A|ME exclusive - 3/30/2004 12:00 AM

Fifty percent of Palestinian children dream of becoming suicide bombers, according to a recently published study of 300 children by Dr. Shafiq Masalha, a clinical psychologist and lecturer at Tel Aviv University.

"I found that about 78 percent of the dreams were about the political conflict… rather than other things that children usually think about," Masalha, who administers a clinic in Jerusalem's Beit Safafa neighborhood, told Dave Bender in an interview for Access Middle East.

"We find, [and] other researchers find that about 50 percent of Israelis are exposed [to]… at least one, or another symptom of trauma. Over 75 percent of Palestinian children are either suffering or exposed to trauma."

Masalha noted that within a few years two generations would be raised with trauma in their background, increasing their mistrust for each other and this would have ramifications in terms of the relationships between the two peoples.

"On the psychological level, I believe – well, it’s difficult to expect exactly how things will develop… When the trauma is caused by other people and not natural forces, then we would imagine that children would feel distrust towards other people. And this attitude of not trusting the world, I believe will be one of the most dramatic ramifications on the upcoming generations."

Question: If peaceful relations were to develop between Israel and Palestinians, could the negative psychological effects be reversed?

"To cause a trauma, it takes a very short time, but to heal a trauma, it takes a lot of time. So, I believe it will take a lot of effort; I don't see how, this will take place in [a] short time, but I believe a lot of energy and effort shall be invested in order to initiate some kind of healing for both sides and people and for their relationship.

"One of the surprising findings: Palestinian children dreamed about 'black roads' ruining their joy in the dream, like going on a journey and all of a sudden Israeli soldiers would stop them and ruin the whole joy of the journey. These issues, I think, when they come in the dream, may reflect, something real in their lives, where they feel that there's no future; that everything's ruined. Even something that starts to be good will turn to be bad.

"And this feeling, in general towards life, I feel, will be very problematic."

Question: The Palestinian educational system, the religious establishment and the media all glorify sacrificing ones life in the struggle against Israel. Why does the society allow children to be so manipulated and abused, when it's clearly going to be so detrimental for building a healthy Palestinian society in the long term?

"Reality has invaded every child's home and every child's school and every child's neighborhood. So they don't need others to tell them anything -- they're experiencing things in their real life…

"Palestinians, educators and parents should be much more careful in the way that they relate to children. Sometimes they confuse between children and adults. They don't realize that the psychology of the child is not exactly similar to the psychology of the adult, and children should be treated differently."

#79 Amy
THere are pictures at this link, but frankly I can't see anything on the grass
Swastikas burned into lawn

#81 Renna

I acknowledge that there is a problem defining and enforcing hate crimes.

Nevertheless, the crime is not the "hate" itself, but the actions taken by persons motivated by hate. I don't think that the motivation should need to be proven, the actions speak for themselvs.

Joel -

The Warriors, BTW, would also be an excellent anaolgy...

Now, before I get to bashing sharon, let me interrupt with a commercial message from the Israeli MSM... LLLabor Party leader Sharon?

One such inhibition, ostensibly the main one, can be easily removed - the ideological inhibition. Ideology? The Labor Party now flies only a single banner, which in fiendish irony Sharon also brandishes: the flag of disengagement. Labor's leaders are proud of themselves now because the disengagement would not have been implemented had they not joined the government.

...and they're absolutely correct.

amir #87

I think that photo was to show the TP all over the tree and on the shrubs, not the lawn.

E2m #85

I don't disagree with you. The authorities are seemingly reluctant to play the "hate crime" card when nobody was physically injured, and there is some other possible motive involved.

Or maybe it's because they anticipate proof problems: the punks didn't do it because she's a Jew, they just picked on that as a way of hurting her because they were angry at her for blowing the whistle on them.

Without having read the hate crime statute that's on the books there as to how it defines a hate crime, I won't speculate further.

#88 amir
ah, but that's the great part (not really!)of our criminal justice system, certain crimes require that the mens rea (thought) be an element of the defined crime in addition to the actus reus (action).
this is why we end up with gradations of homicide and degrees of murder.
i agree that for the majority of crimes, the thought behind it should be irrelevant as the action is what usually causes the harm.

92 Rayra

And it's going to start with an Iranian nuke detonating within Israel.

Please tell me that's hyperbole.

#91 pointed stick

I don't know much about law (or Latin), but it does make sence that motive should be a factor when punishment is given, if it can be proven to have played a role (aggravating role or alleviating)

In this case, if the perpretators are caught and tried (which I dought) for vandalism, the judge should consider that the swastika is a threatining symbol.

It's coming. And it's going to start with an Iranian nuke detonating within Israel.

Good thing we got those 8500 Israelis out of harms way.

#94 amir 8/29/2005 12:45PM PDT

In this case, if the perpretators are caught and tried (which I dought) for vandalism, the judge should consider that the swastika is a threatining symbol.

Let the punishment fit the crime - dress 'em up in KKK robes and drop 'em off in the middle of Harlem (or equivalent)

The court therefore would have done nothing directly physical, only made use of existing symbols, that some may take as threatening.

This kid is lucky he was stopped by Israelis. If he was in London, the British would have unloaded an entire clip into his head at point blank range even after he was already subdued.

And Ken Livingstone calls the Israelis war criminals.

wow,the number of spelling mistakes on my post #94 is shameful

Ha! Has this been psted yet? Talk about taqqiya:

Pal terror groups, TODAY: we are commited to ceasefire

Palestinians Said Committed to Cease-Fire

Monday August 29, 2005 5:46 PM
By IBRAHIM BARZAK

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Palestinian militant groups told an Egyptian envoy Monday they remained committed to a cease-fire with Israel, a day after a suicide bomber blew himself up outside an Israeli bus station, Palestinian officials said.

Leaders from the main militant groups - Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades - made the pledge during meetings with the visiting Egyptian intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, who was in the region to shore up the truce and facilitate an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians on Israel's Gaza withdrawal, participants said.

``The calm still exists. We are committed to this. ... All the factions are committed,'' Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia said.

It is to laugh.

#94 amir
i agree with you and the definition varies depending on the state (if the state has one). i think the whole concept of hate crime needs some standardization. some states have the system you alluded to in the last sentence --that the "hate" part can be a penalty enhancer to the criminal act.
ie. i smash your car window -vandalism (or depending on where your car is parked --criminal trespass and vandalism). if i do the same and then scratch a swastika into your hood the whole racial intimidation imagery would increase the level of my punishment.

#44 Solomon X

Ah, I see only now that Solomon X in #44 beat me to the punch and posted a different version of the same article already. Sorry for the double-post!

#99 zombie
but perfectly accurate: if i blow up on a bus, i haven't "fired" a gunshot at anyone. (existentially one may ask if i have only fired upon myself).
/do i need to?

#48...thanks Charles.

what is wrong with these a-holes?

I have zero love/like/concern for these "palestine-ists" but calls for GENOCIDE are disgusting, inappropriate, and vulger.

GENOCIDE for the "palestine-ists" is wrong, & not even an option.

btw: if you want "genocide" for the "Palestine-ists" as far as i'm concerned you can get off LGF...I can't speak for the rest of the posters...but I sure DON't want crazy sick-os like you around.

___--

Now, as for the bombing...ANYONE SURPRISED?... they always said this is what they would do... crap, they always tell us what they are going to do, & its always the same thing "kill Jews"..."from the River to the Sea"...

Now if we could only get Sharon, et al. to listen. :(

#103 wrathofg-d
any insight on when we might actually expect a measured controlled response of force from the idf? or am i still in la la land?!

Noone runs these things by me 1st... but if I were to put my money on it...i'd say...NOT ANYTIME SOON.

Sharon has put too much of his capital on this "disengagement" thing. He's too far into "stick-it-to-me for 'peace'" mode to respond IMHO.

My guess is that Israel will do NOTHING or very very little.

He wouldn't want to mess up this PEACE or SAFETY (or whatever reason he encourged this response for)...by being an "Agressor", "cycle of violence" etc.

So short answer IMHO: la la land.

Sharon stopped being tough a long time ago. :(

#92 Rayra

Agreed. Unfortunately, a full-on Arab/Israeli conflict starts soon. (...the exact circumstances are, of course, anybodies guess)
There is no 'peace for land' solution except in the minds of the most utopian reality-deniers.
When Sharon starts to ratchet up the rhetoric, watch out.
"Never again" means NEVER AGAIN.

LAND FOR PEACE!
LAND FOR PEACE!
LAND FOR PEACE!
LAND FOR PEACE!
LAND FOR PEACE!
LAND FOR PEACE!

/moonbat off

#48 Charles

Any comments advocating "genocide" will be deleted as soon as I become aware of them. People who continue to post things like this will be blocked.

While, for obvious reasons, I don't advocate genocide, I am convinced that this current World War will end when they're all dead or we're all dead. Really really hope that I turn out to be wrong, and that 20 years from now people can refer to me as "that ol' crackpot".

#104 Pointed Stick

#105 was in response to your Q.

///

OH I guess I should add that... as is the case lately...I REALLY REALLY HOPE I'M WRONG.

Meanwhile, in New York City:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Thousands of infants a year having blood sucked from their newly-circumsized penises - one infant has died of herpes as a result.

Yet "God wills it."

How is this different (except in scale) from Nigerian imams who refuse to let kids be vaccinated for religious reasons?

#109 Gordon

If you can't tell the differences, there is no hope for you. In the dictionary under "dumbshit" it says "see Gordon".

Me thinks that Nodrog is overeacting from his own cranial circumcision as he is obviously as anti-semitic as one gets this side of Hitler.

#110-#111: Those aren't answers, they're insults.

They're the sign of someone who can't think up a real answer, because, just perhaps, there isn't one other than "You're right, Gordon!"

#97 Zakistan

Correct.

Of course, heartless bastard that I am, I would have liked to see this kid get the 'london' treatment.

Charles, is true that you still allow Gordon to post here for our amusement? :)

#105, 108 wrathofg-d
too much wishful thinking on my part that sharon meant his words as to the retaliation that would follow any further attack.
i hope to see us both proven wrong...

Me thinks nodrog has the hots for shitiricus

#112 nodrog

there isn't one other than "You're right, Gordon!"

Yes there is. It's "you're wrong, Gordon!"

#112 Gordon

"You're right, Gordon!"

ROTFLMFAO

Yeah Nodrog, like that's gonna happen in your lifetime. ;D

116 Alouette

Now, that was mean.

#112 Gordon

Yeah, Gordon is right. Too bad he can't find his ass with both hands.

Gordon, are you "Nodrog" on Steven Speicher's Ayn Rand forum?

#121 Lazarus: No, I don't frequent Ayn Rand forums. I'll check it out though.

No one has still provided an answer to my question - why should this practice not be outlawed as barbaric (I'm not talking about male circumcision generally, although that's an interesting discussion - I'm talking about the rabbis' practice of sucking the penis dry of blood).

#109 Gordon

How is this different (except in scale) from Nigerian imams who refuse to let kids be vaccinated for religious reasons?

How is it the same?

#123 adilo

How is it the same?

*crickets*

Nevertheless, I have no idea what Nigerian Imams have to do with any of this, other then a lame attempt at moral equivalence.
To the point, there are acceptable alternatives to the practice of sucking the blood directly which are acceptable by halacha which do not endangewr the neonate.
Neonatal Genital Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 Infection After Jewish Ritual Circumcision: Modern Medicine and Religious Tradition (an article from Israe in American journal)

However, the ancient procedure of metzitzah also carries a risk of infection, and currently most mohels use an appropriate suction device, such as a mucus extractor.

#122 Gordon
i'd venture a guess that the incidence of death and/or disease from this, albeit unsual, variant of circumsion is extremely low. doubly low for circumcision without oral.
btw which one were you upset about not getting --circumcision or oral?
Can't you find anything to post that doesn't seek to bait anyone, or is that just your nature?

#123 adilo: In both instances religious beliefs are getting in the way of common sense public health practices. Children can be immunized without violating core Muslim practices. And boys can still be circumcized according to Jewish tradition without the rabbi sucking the blood out with his mouth (most Jewish circumcision procedures apparently dispense with this particular tradition - and nobody has been struck dead by G-d yet ...).

Nodrog, I'm no expert but I am sure the pratice dates back to ancient times. If this bothers you so, why not consult a Rabbi and ask him with intelligence not with your usual imbecilic verbage. And by the way can you answer this for me? List one positive thing that Islam has contributed to mankind. Just one if you can list just one, than maybe I'll say "You're Right Gordon"

/maybe

And up pops nodroG !

Palestinians Said Committed to Cease-Fire

By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

Yep, committed until a suicide bomber gets thru, and then, well, they'll still be committed to it. In fact, they'll be committed to it right thru the next arab-Israeli war.

#125 amir 8/29/2005 02:14PM PDT

Zing!

Next?

You got any more blood libels, nodrog, or did you leave your copy of Protocols in the bathroom after you were finished with it?

Jewish tradition without the rabbi sucking the blood

Confuscious say:

He who knows not the difference between Rabbi and Mohel should either read his own links or STFU.

Once again Gordon the Abomination, has derailed a thread. I, for one, would be glad to never have to endure his odious presence again. I'm sure that I'm not alone. He has zero amusement value, and we ought not have to suffer his existance one moment longer. 'Nuff said.

#130 MM

Why do I picture armed men firing at civilians from behind a low wall saying, "We are (bang) completely (bang) committed to the (bang) cease-fire (bang bang bang)?"

#109 Gordon:

STFU, moron.

#127 Gordon

Gordon you ignorant slut.

It's a holdover eastern european lritual perfomed on a minute fraction of hassidic children.

Less than one half of one percent of Jewish children are circumcised that way.

As any fringe religious practice that may casue more harm than good, people should probably stop doing it.

TO compare it to widespread avoidance of vaccinations, or to female cirmcumsions/castrations is ridiculous.

Are you just jealous that no one will let you suck Jewish cock, gordon?

For those interested, the discussion in the link from my post #135 has a medical and halachic argument in favor of using a suction devise rather than orally sucking the blood.

The practice is known as oral suction, or in Hebrew, metzitzah b'peh: after removing the foreskin of the penis, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the wound to clean it.

I learn something everyday on lgf.

But as I read it,
Only one child has died.
Gordon i have two grandsons that suffer from the results of immunizations, shots.
The boys were perfect until they had their shots.
Now they have learning disabilities,
We were told that it could have been from mercury used to preserve the immunizations. Also that there are millions of these childern.
Don’t know?
One child out of millions is too much,
but bad things happen to good people.

#138 ibmkeyboard

[but bad things happen to good people.]

For example, Gordo showing up on a thread at LGF.

#127 Gordon

In both instances religious beliefs are getting in the way of common sense public health practices.

Reasonable.

I think the problem here is that we were talking about kids blowing themselves up (and taking innocents with them)... and then, BAM... there's you asking... "what about the jooos!?"

Gorgo & shitiricus: a match made in Gehinnom [HELL]

Any discussion of Jewish religious ritual will bring the pitbitch running over to this thread like , which was probably nodrog's intention as he hopes to impress her. It's almost romantic!

A 14-year-old Palestinian was arrested after he was caught carrying three pipe bombs through the Hawara checkpoint south of Nablus Monday afternoon.

In reading Al-Sheehan's comments on the other thread, I'm now questioning if I've been brainwashed into thinking this is a bad thing?

It's a holdover eastern european lritual perfomed on a minute fraction of hassidic children.

#136 Maine's Michael

Uh-huh. A likely explanaion. The way Gordon put it I thought the Jew was a vampire.

Border police sappers blew up the bomb and the youth was handed over to the Shin Bet for questioning.

This animal will be treated better by the Israelis for trying to blow them up than he will by his own people for failing to.

In reference to my 138,
Gordon
we also had a great lgf family member whose child died,
and i think from immunizations, shots.

Thousands die each year,
even though we have great medical care. It
doesnt matter what religion you belong to.

Sometimes i feel like a carrot in troll soup.

Sentence the kid to be raised as a Jew.
That'll fix em.

On the other hand, he looks pretty dumb...

Gordon,

All writing is autobiographical. Your posts reveal your preoccupations, prejudices and insecurities. I hope you become more secure and less bigoted.

You might consider going back to school, too.

Best wishes.

What a sad commentary on the cultural pathology of a society that would celebrate as it turns its children into mass murderers.

Testing...

Goody.

Something was going very wrong with trying to post. Semms ok now.

Carry on.

Except I can't type properly. That should have been "seems".

151 rightymouse

Ok, three's a charm...

#152 Earth2moonbat

Hi Earth2!

Khalifa's 16-year-old brother was arrested at the same checkpoint some months ago also attempting to smuggle pipe bombs. Officials said the Khalifa clan is known for its affiliation with the Fatah al-Aksa Brigades.

Father to neighbor: "I've worked hard to raise my boys, but they're such disappointments -- they just refuse to blow up."

#145 donkeyboard: If you have medical reasons for refusing vaccination or refusing to let your children be vaccinated, I have no argument with you. The evidence I have seen show that the risks to a child of foregoing vaccination exceed the risks of vaccination. But if you know a child and parents who have come out on the wrong side of that risk/reward decision, I have nothing but empathy for you.

The Nigerian Imams, however, advocated shunning of vaccinations not for medical reasons, but religious ones. I find that unacceptable.

#138 ibmkeyboard

We were told that it could have been from mercury used to preserve the immunizations. Also that there are millions of these childern.

Thimerisol. Some kids can expel the mercury from it, some kids can't. Are those the autistic kids? Mercury is a neurotoxin, so it's no stretch at all to consider the possibility.

I'm by no means a supporter of quackery, but Mercury Chelation makes good sense and passes the cost/benefit analysis.

Imus has been all over this.

#156 savage_nation

Savage just replayed John Scungili. Hilarious. How was the drive on the highway of death?

#156 you know jooos operate most porn shops so it was probably the jooos fault for the doll blowing it self up. i just wonder if the doll had been exposed to the jooo long enough to pack itself full of nails?

Great news! The occupation of gaza is over and peace has broken out!

And the emperor isn't really naked, but is riding his horse through the adoring crowds in a magnificent suit of shining armour. He's wearing the MSM suit of armour. Offers no protection to our way of life but it shields us from the truth beautifully.

Actually, Nodrog, the difference between this disgusting and unnecessary practice and the Nigerian crap is that no one ever heard it was dangerous before because infection is incredibly rare.

The Nigerian thing is a sheer paranoid lunacy, an innovation of maniacs who don't care if they desimate an entire generation.

Give the Hasidim a chance to absorb the lesson. They've only been doing it for 3,000 years.

Frankly, though, I think it should be immediately banned.

They'll get used to it.

#156 savage_nation's joke deserves repetition --

A man goes into an adult entertainment shop and asks the assistant for an inflatable doll.
"Would you like male or female?"
"Female, please."
"Would you like Black, or White?"
"White, please."
"Would you like Christian or Muslim?"
This question confused the man . . . and he replied, "What has the religion got to do with it? It's an inflatable doll!"
"Well," explained the assistant, "The Muslim one blows itself up!"

A quick search indicates that this checkpoint has seen young people used in this way before... and that it is an internal checkpoint within the West Bank. You know, the ones that are always complained about by reasonable people because they are such an imposition on the everyday lives of peaceful Palestinians.

#109 Gordon

Thank you Gordon. Before I wasn't sure if you were an asshole or simply someone with an honest difference.

I appreciate your settling the issue for me.

In any case, I'll clarify something for you right now, so that you understand exactly where Jews stand on circumcision, OK?

We will sooner allow ourselves to lose everything short of life before giving up that particular commandment. There is no Jewish community anywhere which has ever, ever dropped this particularly obnoxious "custom". No matter what sort of disgusting laws have ever been passed against it.

I will clarify further, if by some unhappy tragedy, you and your friends manage to pass laws against it, you will manage to join the long list of countries that went down the road to banning Judaism. There are no exceptions to this that I know of.

In any case, Jews in the US would be forced to leave the country because it would simply be impossible to live here.

Since that's what you obviously want, although you are too fucking gutless to admit it, I appreciate your letting your true feelings slip.

Go to hell you son of a bitch.

-ron

This makes as much sense as Nodrog's WORDS OF WISDOM

"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

"Nowhere in the Bible will you find Allah saying to Prophet Moses' people or their descendants that their religion is Judaism, nor to the followers of Christ that their religion is Christianity. In fact, Christ was not even his name, nor was it Jesus! The name "Christ" comes from the Greek word Christos which means the annointed. That is, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew title "Messiah". The name "Jesus" on the other hand, is a latinized version of the Hebrew name Esau."

#122 Gordon

First, the reason why they suck the blood out is because saliva has natural anti-toxins. Same reason why you're supposed to suck the blood out of a snakebite.

Second, most people don't do that these days anyway for aesthetic reasons.

Thirdly, the practice is no more barbaric than any opersation that is done for the sake of the patient. In this case it's done for the sake of the patients' soul, with no discernable negative side effects.

That I and someone else might not see eye to eye on that is irrelevent provided the child suffers no lasting trauma or injury.

I can provide links to articles I've read about if anyone cares to read it.

-ron

#166 ballantrae

Aside from the covenant with G-d, circumcision is practical and salubrious too. There were many things that G-d commanded of his people and following them is just good common sense. Nodrog has no sense therefore, he can't see the logic behind practice of circumcision.

Oh, good grief!

Why are all of you bothering to engage nodroG, when his only purpose for posting that totally off-topic stupidity was to get exactly the reaction he did?

Who the hell cares what that idiot thinks about Jewish rituals?!

What is the subject of this thread Gordon? Comments on this subject must be impossible for you!

#168 Amy

Why are all of you bothering to engage nodroG, when his only purpose for posting that totally off-topic stupidity was to get exactly the reaction he did?

So are you saying he gets some kind of weird gratification for his ot posts?

I think (IMHO) he is rather envious of the SECRET club known as Judaism.

Despite what the sign says: Do not feed the trolls.

nodroG where are you? I need a punching bag. My truck is down from a hit and run (in the clinic's parking lot no less) while I was taking my DOT required drug test. Down for two friggin' weeks now, fighting with the insurance company and the appraisers. Truck's in the shop looking like a "Hangar Queen". nodroG, where are you, I feel like kicking some ass big time.

Iron Fist, can you please lob one of those smart bombs Gordon's way?

Left out one little detail.

The mohel tested negative for herpes.

So the source of the infection is still not known.

MARS Trucker #171

I just think that he gets off on eliciting responses by provocation, like poking a hornet's nest with a stick. He probably sits in front of his computer for hours until he comes up with something that he feels will be sure to get him the attention he craves.

I really think that trying to defend a Jewish religious rite to the likes of him is making a mistake by dignifying his nonsense. Nothing he says should be taken seriously, and especially not what he has to say about something as important as a bris.

Alouette

Bonjours, cherie! Comment ca va? (Je n'ai pas de cedilles ou d'accents...)

Note to self: French kills threads...

#177 Amy

(Je n'ai pas de cedilles ou d'accents...)

Yeah, it'd be nice if there were an easy way to do that in html. I dunno, maybe there is. I could use some umlauts and essets, too.

"There can be no peace with Israel until they quit the abusive harassment of our teenage courriers"

Primatives!

#170 savage_nation

Dude, that is freaking crazy! I'm glad you're okay. Jeez, your poor rig. Some dumb luck. You sound like you could use a big plate of Mrs. Savage's meatballs and a pot of homemade chicken soup.

I've driven that road between Ocala and Orlando many times (grandmother used to winter in Ocala). You're not kidding about backwoods. That swampland makes the Ozarks look like the height of civilization. That is one long, boring, tortuous road, too. Then you make it into town, and you gotta watch out for all the slowpoke snowbirds tootling along on Merrikamp.

Sounds like you're taking it well. Hope you get your rig fixed soon and everything goes okay.

#170 savage_nation

Oh, and would you mind sending me some of your pictures? I'd like to see how the Savage Nation deals with a savage storm. Let me know if you need my e-mail address. Thanks, man!

#181 savage_nation

Nice. Thanks for the link. That's a keeper.

savage_nation #181

No umlaut or cedille, sadly. :(

In HTML, that is.

#181 savage_nation

So how would use those extended ASCII characters in a post here?

The numbers don't work for me. I previewed a couple, and I got entirely different symbols than the ones the numbers corresponded to on the chart. Oh, well.

186 Amy

Try this.

I can just see Nodrog at the Christian Science Reading Room for a seminar about Aerodynamic Engineering. There is a lull in the conversation and suddenly Nodrog blurts out:

"DID YOU KNOW RABBIS SUCK BLOOD OUT OF BABIES' PEE-PEES?"

You know how you feel when you step in something nasty and you can't get it off your shoe without betraying your cool demeanor? That's what it's like when Nodrog shows up!

#191 savage_nation

Cool, that works great. Thanks! And to earth2moonbat. You guys are $£¥!

#189 savage_nation

Well, you have a great attitude. I probably found it boring because I was always in a hurry, and it can be pretty scary at night.

E2m

Voil$#224!

{Earth2moonbat}

Oops! PIMF!

Voilà!

#192 Merovign

This whole stupid, Gordonian discussion reminds me of the hysterical (in the literal sense) Arab myth about Jews sucking the blood from Palestinian children. Good God...

196 Amy

Ok, extra credit test: How do you do this:

{{{ Amy }}} ?

#193 savage_nation

Thanks, and no sweat! I'll unravel them and marvel at Katrina.

Merovign #192

ROTFLMAO!

E2m #199

Can't get the third } to come out right...

204 Amy

I think you have the concept, but for some strange reason, there needs to be spaces between the curlies and the word inside. I don't know why. It's a bug, appearently. Notice the spaces I put in?

savage_nation #202

OK, smark aleck, how d'ya do the hearts?

#14
Race has nothing to do with it.
If you went to Israel, you would see that
Israel is a rainbow society -- as the US is a rainbow society -- with shades of skin color that go through the races including the very black skin color of the Ethiopian Jews.

The Arabs, and the Jews from Arab lands that have been forced to emigrate and now live in Israel, do not necessarily look essentially different. But the Arabs are bent on jihad and especially bent on murdering the dhimmis who they consider to be monkeys and pigs. And the Jews from Arab lands -- the mizrahim of Israel -- want to live and let live. That is the difference -- not skin color.

Any person of any race may become Jewish, by convering to Judaism. And every person who is Jewish is either a convert or descended from people who have converted. Same with all of the other religions, because none of them goes back to the dawn of humanity a million years ago; every person of any religion is either a convert or a descendant of a convert.

So from Israel's point of view, race has nothing to do with it.

The issue is one of self-defense. If people are dead set to murder you, and show time and again that they are serious about massacring you and your fellow citizens, then you have a right and a duty to protect yourself. That is what the resistance to jihad is all about, and it is a global phenomenon.

206 Amy

Try this one.

Should have given it first...

#203 savage_nation

You'll be amazed how fast the weather changed when you see the entire series. From cloudy to shit in 5 minutes, eek!

Yeah, those hurricanes are crazy creatures. Luckily, all you and I ever have to worry about are tornados and hailstorms.

♥{{{ Earth2moonbat }}}♥

Thanks, savage_nation.

#213 savage_nation

Right, I just meant when you were home. I gather your travels take you through every kind of weather our nation has to offer. But you don't get to experience sandstorms in Crapistan!

#216 savage_nation

I hate the cold with a passion. I'm looking to move way west and south.

Of course, you can use alt-command (like <alt+400>, <alt+523>, etc) in the entry window. Which results in things like:

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With HTML code like:

▲⌠⌡≈&# 8729;√ⁿ■○

The space in the middle of 8776, and the "square and 8" segment are reminders that HTML was made by committee - that should work but doesn't.

Unless they work in posting but not in preview, in which case that last note will make no sense.

#218 savage_nation

:) Oh, I'm not going anywhere near San Fransicko. Maybe Phoenix or Orange County or (hopefully) Hawaii (former Savage territory).

#210 Amy

♥{{{ Blushing }}}♥

And the leftists loonbats keep complaining about the large number of Palestinian children killed since the first Intifada. Perhaps it's (it is in fact) because so many male teenagers are fighting the Israelis in the streets alongside their fathers, brothers, and uncles.

powderfinger,
thanks for the link to mercury posion,
will pass along to my daughter so she might help my grandsons autism.

again thanks.

They need to detonate the bomb with the youths WEARING them, for a change. Like a public execution, but with a fireworks show to make it enjoyable for everyone.

Launching them from cannons, lit with fuses made of paper from recycled Korans and shredded posters of St. Pancake, would allow more people to see the show.

I think it's a splendid idea.