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Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:22:28 pm PDT

The latest suspect arrested in Virginia’s “paintball jihad” case was the president of the Muslim Students Association (MSA) at Montgomery College: Terrorism suspect released on bond. (Hat tip: SoCalJustice.)

A local Muslim elementary school teacher and University of Maryland, University College graduate accused of aiding two terrorist groups was released on bond yesterday and will return to home on the condition that he won’t leave the country.

Prosecutors in a U.S. district court in Alexandria, Va., objected yesterday in a detention hearing to releasing Ali Asad Chandia, a 28-year-old College Park resident, fearing he would obtain a passport and flee the country.

Chandia will stay with his wife at the home and will be electronically tracked by a GPS bracelet. His mother will put up her home in Gaithersburg as collateral, U.S. Magistrate Judge Theresa Carroll Buchanan decided. Chandia’s arraignment is scheduled for Friday in Alexandria.

Chandia graduated from the University of Maryland University College with a bachelor’s in information systems management in May. He also attended Montgomery College from fall 1995 to spring 2000. There, he served as the president of the Muslim Students Association from 1998 to 1999, according to the MSA national organization’s website.

Chandia is accused of providing material support to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a U.S.-designated terrorist group, and serving as the personal assistant to Ali al-Timimi, the convicted spiritual leader of another terrorist group dubbed the “Virginia Jihad network” by federal prosecutors.

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1 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:24:21am

Man, it's a busy day in the jihadisphere.

2 thscott  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:25:41am

Too bad "Jew Blood" isn't a paintball pellet color. Emerging market?

3 mad_scientist  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:27:11am

A radical Muslim elementary school teacher? We better watch out for a Beslan type of operation here in the US...

4 loppyd  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:28:01am

Is this piece of filth a US citizen?

5 m  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:29:50am
#3 mad_scientist
A radical Muslim elementary school teacher? We better watch out for a Beslan type of operation here in the US...

I pray that never happens. If it did, do you think America would wake up or pull the covers over her head?

6 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:31:20am

# 5 m

Enough will wake up ...

7 slatanic  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:31:25am

typical

8 mattm  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:32:33am

Dear American Citizens,

We must be understanding to their relogious practices. Remember to treat the Koran with respect, allow preyer toward mecca, and anything else they want.

*Only applies to Muslims. Christians rights to prayer, trees, saying the "g" word, erecting natavity, etc, etc not permitted. We must not aoofend anyone.

Sincerly,
ACLU and CAIR

9 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:33:23am

So calling my state Northern Jihadist Virginia wasn't much of an exaggeration--we're crawling with unreconstructing jihadist & illegal immigrants & others who despise our way of life yet show up to be parasites on our body politic.

And now Cindy Sheehan's coming to town to further pollute the scenery.

Talk about moonbats & moslem convergence in DC.

10 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:33:31am

# 4 l d

since the articel studiously avoids mention of it -- I bet he's not!

11 religion of bacon  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:33:33am

However, Miller said 97 percent of the items found in Chandia’s home were harmless and prosecutors took parts of Chandia’s library out of context to use as evidence.

That's right, most people have a few Islamofascist tapes in their collection, it proves nothing...

Imagine this logic in other situations:

"97% of my client's library was not child pornography!"

"97% of my client's medicine cabinet was not heroin!"

12 mickthemick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:33:38am

The frightening part is that the MSA is probably rotten with Ali Asad Chandia's who are either part of terror cells or who provide support to them.

13 mad_scientist  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:35:02am

#5 m

If that ever happened here, God forbid, America would rise up like never seen before.

Even the radical left would have to shut the hell up and stand with us...

14 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:36:36am

Calling Mitt Romney the crusading mosque-wiring Massachussetts Yankee to house sit the White House while the President's busy fixing Hurricane damage & reconstructing our Southern Flank.

15 thscott  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:37:37am

3

A radical Muslim elementary school teacher? We better watch out for a Beslan type of operation here in the US...

I was wondering about something like that happening in France... with the ban on veils etc.

Technically Beslan was a failure though... (school didnt explode etc) American Islamists may want to see if they can top their Chechyan counterparts.

16 Renna  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:37:41am

Egads, we let terror suspects out on bond?

17 mickthemick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:41:19am

#3 mad_scientist

We better watch out for a Beslan type of operation here in the US...

I hope that never happens. There would be a real backlash then. But I think the jihadis would try to stage something like the London & Madrid mass transit bombings (multiple bombs on different trains), sniper attacks or assaulting malls with suicide bombers.

18 mad_scientist  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:41:46am
Egads, we let terror suspects out on bond?

He's got the GPS tracker on him, and maybe they will be monitoring emails and phone calls also, to try and get to the bigger fish.

19 FredFryInternational  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:49:33am
Egads, we let terror suspects out on bond?

Well sure, he has yet to prove how dangerous he CAN be.

It will be another couple of weeks before we learn that this guy took flight lessons in South Carolina, or went to a wedding in Pakistan in 2000, or had some better known terrorist as a roommate at some time. Not that any of these things are incriminating.

20 religion of bacon  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:50:27am

#16 Renna
#18 mad_scientist

If Moose-lims are willing to splodydope themselves for Allah, who says they won't sacrifice a hand or a foot to flee the country?

21 Abu Maven  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:51:15am

Charles, I submit that Musharraf's "pro-Jewish" speech merits its own thread:

This background makes clear the historic nature of a speech by the president of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, to the American Jewish Congress on September 17. More coincidentally, he too singled out George Soros as a symbol of Jewish financial prowess, but very differently.

Lauding Jewish groups in the United States, Mr. Musharraf remarked that they "were at the forefront in opposing the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Bosnia," adding: "I am told that the largest contributor to the Bosnian cause was the Jewish-American businessman and philanthropist, George Soros."

Most news coverage of the Musharraf speech focused on the prospect of Pakistan opening diplomatic relations with Israel (Reuters: "Pakistan leader urges US Jews to help make peace"), but what is potentially of lasting importance about the Musharraf address – beyond the mere fact of its being delivered to a Jewish organization – was the president's respectful, accurate, and constructive comments about Jews.

***

He commended American Jews for their role in protecting Bosnian Muslims and praised them for offering "legal and other assistance" to Muslims in the United States. "I wish to acknowledge and appreciate this," he said. Mr. Musharraf also flattered Jews as "probably the most distinguished and influential community" in America. Looking to the future, he emphasized the role of compassion in repairing Muslim-Jewish relations.

Mr. Musharraf's reaching out to Jews is part of a much broader project of developing what he calls "Enlightened Moderation" in Islam. Although until now more talk than action, even the talk is a major achievement. Sadly, only he and one other Muslim leader, King Abdullah II of Jordan, are articulating a moderate version of Islam, but at least those two are doing so.

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

22 paxnhymn  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:52:01am

20 ROB

good point...let's help em..start with that other appendage on the shoulders.

23 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:53:02am

If I were in charge of security in the USA I would round up all US muslims, ship them to Saudi Arabia, not let them back in; and I would shred every last copy of the koran and all islamist media, and outlaw that "religion" here for good.

24 fraxinus americana  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:53:16am

“Unfortunately, the terrorist has to be lucky once,” Strickland said. “We have to be successful and vigilant every day.”
No truer words spoken... but have i heard them before?

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:53:19am

The Muslim Students Association is still openly soliciting donations for the following terror funding charities

Islamic American Relief Agency Islamic African Relief Agency
Islamic African Relief Agency
Kashmir International Relief Fund
Holy Land Foundation

and probably many more, I only did a partial check of the list. It was pointed out to me that the contact info for this list is...
Council of American Muslim Charities
Phone: [deleted]
Notes: President of the Council is Mr. Shukri Abu Baker.

check here for more info

26 Whole Wheat Bagel  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:53:24am

And he was released because...?

27 mad_scientist  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:55:46am

#20 r.o.b

might be tough to catch a flight or a boat out of the country missing a hand and bleeding profusely.

But your point is well taken. I hope they are monitoring this character a little more closely than we know about...

28 DaveinOhio  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:58:58am
Too bad "Jew Blood" isn't a paintball pellet color. Emerging market?

Too bad pigs blood isn't a color... They'd have some 'splainin' to do after a round or two of that...

29 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:59:02am

So terror suspects are (once again) elected officials of moslem organizations in America...same situation as CAIR the moslem PR lobby.

Michael Graham--the talk radio host who lost his job in DC on WMAL 630 am--deserves a BIG APOLOGY because he was right to say mohammedanism is one big terrorist organization.

30 paxnhymn  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:01:12am

26

errr..because it's a week before ramadum, making it the 24,348th holiest day of the year?

:-p

31 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:11:47am

was released on bond yesterday and will return to home on the condition that he won’t leave the country.

Well sure, I believe he won't attempt to leave the country; and islam is a rop.

/sarc off

j

32 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:19:43am
33 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:19:59am
However, Miller said 97 percent of the items found in Chandia’s home were harmless and prosecutors took parts of Chandia’s library out of context to use as evidence.

Yeah, like "How to Butcher Jews, Americans and other Infidels", "Give me Islam or Give You Death", "Bombs, Planes, Trains and Automobiles", and "Islam is My Land, Islam is Your Land".

34 BingoBunny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:25:14am

But other then that he's a nice person right?

35 Renna  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:25:32am

Well, yes. That is a bullet in the head of that man, from the still smoking gun here in my hand. BUT, 83 percent of the bullets in my gun were used for peaceful target shooting and 99.93 percent of my day was spent not shooting him, so you must, taking my day as a whole, declare me not guilty.

36 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:26:56am
If I were in charge of security in the USA I would round up all US muslims, ship them to Saudi Arabia

I would just take them to the three mile limit and let them walk from there.

37 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:32:14am

13 mad_scientist

If that ever happened here, God forbid, America would rise up like never seen before.

Even the radical left would have to shut the hell up and stand with us...

For about two weeks. Then, just like after 9/11, they would start up with the "why do they hate us", and "we deserved it", and "it's Israel's fault" ad nauseum.

Guaranteed.

38 BingoBunny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:36:02am

What kinda crazy mindset..says success against the terrorists makes it harder.. because they encourage other groups. What in heck would failure against them encourage.. surrender..I don't think so. We have to fight ignorance, Islam, and stupidy; without any help from the MSM who propagandize for the enemy, the Democrat party who want to surrender and work on their economic tan lines, and the LLL who are still stupid personified.

39 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:38:32am

Anyone know what Maryland Governor Bob Ehrlich and his Lt. Governor Michael Steele say about the terrorists in their state colleges? I hope they're aggressively anti-terrorist like Mitt Romney.

PS, today's news was Dem opposition reasearchers were caught illegally trying to access Mr. Steele's credit history. They must not want a conservative Catholic black American to win Maryland's Senate seat.

40 Studsup  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:41:35am

#13 mad_scientist -- "If that ever happened here, God forbid, America would rise up like never seen before.

Even the radical left would have to shut the hell up and stand with us... "

In your dreams. The MSM, Hollywood and nearly the entire Democrat Party would be consumed in an orgy of apology, self-guilt and appeasement. Bills requiring mandatory sensitivity training and courses in Islamic studies in our public schools would be in the hopper by the end of the week.

This would be in addition to the customary LLL cries for "ending the occupation" along with vilification of Israel and the Jews. Synogogues might burn, but mosques would not.

If an attack on the Pentagon, the slaughter of innocents in NYC and the bringdown of another airliner in PA couldn't wake us all up, another atrocity won't rattle teacups among the LLL. Nope, all that happened, and the LLL are using two of these very sites to construct temples to the evil of America and to the success of Jihad.

A Beslan would be seen by the LLL as proof our American guilt and a deserved punishment. That's exactly how the LLLs view this conflict.

41 jagan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:42:39am
went to a wedding in Pakistan in 2000,

OOppss.. didn't they mention anywhere that His surname is a Pakistani or Bangladeshi one?

A naturalised US citizen no doubt.

42 Studsup  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:46:34am

#39 Alegrias -- "PS, today's news was Dem opposition reasearchers were caught illegally trying to access Mr. Steele's credit history. They must not want a conservative Catholic black American to win Maryland's Senate seat."

The article I read said that they had succeeded in illegally obtaining it. Dems, as with most liberals, see themselves engaged in a noble war against conservatives. They honestly believe themselves to be above all laws and entitled to use any means to destroy Repbulicans and Conservatives.

They illegally electronically eavesdropped on Newt. Remember that? Jihadi Jim McDermott was imnplicated in it too. Nothing ever happened to them of any consequence.

To the Dems, laws are only for the "little people".

43 Axiom  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:49:10am

OT: I have a Vanity Fair article posted that is about the fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds

Vanity Fair talks to several FBI whistle blowers that all appear to have similar complaints and similar termination outcomes.

44 jimbill  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:49:11am

just put bette midler on thier case,that will fix em.

45 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:53:00am

#42 studsup

You're right, where are WaPo's Woodward & Bernstein to report on Dems breaking and entering electronic, private financial records for political purposes! Watergate! Deep Throat! Hollywood movie rights! Don't hold our breath right?

Dem media hypocrites will bury the story. The Dem operative perps quit their jobs so what's to talk about? Why didn't quitting their "jobs" like Dem criminals do work for the Watergate burglars, I wonder.

46 jason97m  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:53:30am

For those interested in finding out what the federal government does to prepare for hurricanes, take a look at this article...it goes into good detail about the preparations for Hurricane Rita. It looks like Sindy Sheehan will get her wish about pulling troops out of Louisiana.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

But does the MSM discuss this? Only time will tell.

Cheers
J

47 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:54:09am

Rita now a Category Five.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Oh, brother. Headed for Texas.

48 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:54:19am
Chandia will stay with his wife at the home and will be electronically tracked by a GPS bracelet. His mother will put up her home in Gaithersburg as collateral, U.S. Magistrate Judge Theresa Carroll Buchanan decided. Chandia’s arraignment is scheduled for Friday in Alexandria.

Oh great! A threat to our country and he gets bail money, and a teacher no less!

We had a bank robbery in our town last week. The lefty news rag called him a Haitian citizen residing in Nashua, NH. PC for illegal.

49 Axiom  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:54:43am

The Washington Post also has a story about Chandia. They report that his associate was a British National that is currently serving a sentence in Pakistan on terrorism charges.

In Pakistan, he worked with other defendants to help a top Lashkar official, Mohammed Ajmal Khan, obtain equipment for the group, prosecutors allege. Khan, a British national who is jailed there on terrorism counts, was also named in the four-count indictment unsealed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria.
50 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:55:53am

#42 studsup

You just reminded me of another case of double standard--the Republican Virginia guys caught evesdropping Democrat phone calls were prosecuted & driven out of town.

But Dems who commit crimes walk, like Teddy the swimmer and his manslaughter crime, er, tragic accident that shouldn't happen to any philanderer.

51 Terp Mole  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:56:03am
A local Muslim elementary school teacher and University of Maryland, University College graduate accused of aiding two terrorist groups was released on bond yesterday

Maybe Cindy Sheehan can arrange a special protest when she visits University of Maryland next week?

Anti-war activist to visit campus next Tuesday

Traveling across the country to promote the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, Cindy Sheehan is making her last stops before arriving on the White House lawn this weekend and after that, at this university next Tuesday.
---
“The people who encouraged the invasion [of Iraq] to get rich, they are feeding off our children’s flesh and blood,” Sheehan said.

Sounds like al-Timimi and Sheehan are reading off the same sheet of music. Maybe she should stand in as substitute spiritual leader for the assasination team?

52 Always right  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:58:28am

OT

Looking back at the pictures of Superdome and NO Convention Center during the first few days right after the levee broke, can any anarchist honestly want that to be the new world order? I admit I don't think a lot ("stuck on stupid"), but what is it they desire from that human state?

OK somebody's going to tell me Anarchy is not like that at all, it is for the "advanced, enlightened" people who could self govern?

53 kiDDD  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:59:27am

He gets a GPS transmitter and his mother put up her home. Ah, if they flee I don't think the mother's heart will be broken to lose her home. Incredible move by the courts to let him out. Senseless!

54 alegrias  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:59:36am

#51 terp mole

Terp terrapin, you're just the reptile I wanted to ask about your state's Republicans' stand on terror. Are Bob Ehrlich and Michael Steele like Mitt Romney or like waffling wussified CAIR victims?

55 jason97m  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:00:33pm

You know, our soldiers are one of a kind and deserve a special thanks from this nation. Not only have they been involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, but now Katrina. These men and womed see nothing but the worst the world has to offer. Next time you see one of them please give them a pat on the back...if not something more. We all owe them a lot and they are fast becoming a new Greatest Generation. Here is an article about what these find folks are doing in New Orleans...it is much more than keeping the peace...they are working to help businesses get on their feet, cooking for church dinners and much more. Please keep them in your thoughts.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

56 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:01:12pm

OT: Instapundit getting a mention on CNN right now!

57 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:05:36pm

Chandi received his Bachelor of Arts degree in May 2005. Looks like he didn't have much teaching time. What a shame.


PDF File
Page 20 shows his name as a May 2005 Graduate.

[Link: www.umuc.edu...]

58 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:05:54pm
59 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:08:31pm

Here's a mailing list I hope the FBI is aware of.

[Link: www.msa-natl.org...]

60 zombie  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:12:47pm

I pretty much nailed it with the caption for this photo from a year ago:

the Saudi-funded, shari'a-law-supporting, terror-group-connected Muslim Students Association were not above putting their women to work at a proselytizing booth.
61 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:12:53pm

#32 Rayra

And it's not even Friday ;)

They're just building up steam.

62 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:15:24pm

60 zombie

the Saudi-funded, shari'a-law-supporting, terror-group-connected Muslim Students Association were not above putting their women to work at a proselytizing booth.

Try setting up a Christian or Jewish proselytizing booth in a Muslim country. Instant death!

But hey - they are the ROP after all.

{shakes head and wants to scream at the stupidity of some Americans}

63 Gringo  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:19:01pm

36 Bad Penny

If I were in charge of security in the USA I would round up all US muslims, ship them to Saudi Arabia
I would just take them to the three mile limit and let them walk from there.


Ohhh...that's good!

64 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:22:43pm

63 gringo

I'm with you. And I'd be happy to assist them in their three-mile walk.

They have Muslim Student Associations in hundreds of US Colleges. They have one at my son's high school too.

My youngest told me he has one girl who wears her bedsheet to school but wears goth makeup. LOL

65 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:23:00pm
#13 mad_scientist 9/21/2005 12:35PM PDT
#5 m

If that ever happened here, God forbid, America would rise up like never seen before.

Even the radical left would have to shut the hell up and stand with us...

No, they won't. Just on principle. They hate the USA as much as or more than the Islamofascists. They will find every and any excuse for them and any and every reason to blame the victims. In truth, they're worse than the jihadis.

66 Megan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:23:26pm

His rights are being abused! How could the Neocon Zionazi fascist Republicans put a GPS bracelet on him while he was out on bail? If he wants to go back to the Middle East, which he considers his Holy Land, he should be able to! /LLL

67 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:26:09pm

65 Gang of one

I have to agree with you. The moonbats are complaining right now about Hurricane Rita. They are blaming Bush because he gave a warning only in English and only on TV. Here's the mentally deranged tirade of the day:

At this time Hurricane Rita is rolling acrossthe Gulf of Mexico and gathering strength. Wherever it hits which could be from southern Texas all the way up to western Louisiana there will be devastation and ruin.
What did Mr. Bush do?
He appeared on television on 9.21.2005 defending his decision to hand a hundred BILLION dollars off to cronies like Shaw and Halliburton to ‘rebuild’ the Gulf Coast. The way he put it supporters thought it was a great idea. He kept repeating that he wanted private industry to take over the recovery effort. What he didn’t mention was how he was going to do it. It appears he intends to take 100 BILLION dollars of public money and hand it over to companies like Shaw and Halliburton through no-bid contracts. It is still government money. There are no savings.
The worst thing he did is coming. He once again encouraged people to evacuate before the storm but he did it in English and on television. He said that people should listen to warnings by local government and follow them. The people that need that message won’t get it in time.
68 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:30:19pm
The latest suspect arrested in Virginia’s “paintball jihad” case was the president of the Muslim Students Association (MSA) at Montgomery College

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell ya.

/sarcasm

69 Renna  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:32:20pm

#67 Satan's sidekick

Me, if I'm in some place where I don't speak the language, but everyone in town starts boarding up their windows and leaving, I think I just might get the message.

Even if the president doesn't take out billboards in eighteen languages.

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:34:31pm

#25 Ooops! sorry, Charles.

71 SlothB77  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:34:59pm

As a graduate of U MD, I have to say I was a LLL when I was paired in a class project with three other people. I think they were followers of this clown. They did a good job on the project, but were less than pleasant with me, as a fourth group member. Even as an LLL, I knew something wasn't quite right.

72 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:35:22pm
“Virginia Jihad network”


great,
when can we get these boys to start an organization in north carolina?

73 chickenlips  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:35:25pm
74 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:39:05pm

69 Renna

No kidding! But it's more fun to blame Bush when you suffer from moonbattery and a severe case of BDS.

OT
I was unfortunate enough to catch Bill Maher on the Tucker Carlson show last night where he blamed Bush for bodies floating in the water. In fact he said he saw the bodies floating in the water. Funny, I don't remember seeing any pictures of floating bodies, did you?

75 Satan Sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:43:07pm

Let me rephrase

In fact he said he saw the bodies floating in the water. Funny, I don't remember seeing any pictures of floating bodies, did you?

I'm sure there were dead in the water, but I don't remember them being shown on the news.

76 Simon  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:44:44pm

shouldn't the headline be "MSA Student was president beacuase a terrorist"?

77 rightymouse  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:45:36pm

#75 Satan Sidekick

Yahoo has a pic of a corpse dangling over a fence in NOLA.

Otherwise, I haven't seen any floating bodies in the water either.

78 Renna  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:51:51pm

S's S

I did see a few pictures of some floating bodies. Not on TV or in the paper. I was flipping through a couple of hundred news images, so I guess one could say one had to go looking for them.

OF course, none of the pictures of floating bodies showed Bush beside them not gathering them in for a decent funeral.

Do I blame the photog who WAS there for not collecting the body? Blame the rescuers who said in a statement they were pushing aside the dead to rescue the living? Naaah, not me. I blame a certain large storm, with a lot of rain and water for their deaths, and hard but correct priorities for their being left for a bit.

79 Momzilla  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:57:15pm

*raises hand* Question:

Are they saying that he's an elementary school teacher (as in public school) who is also a Muslim? Or is he a teacher at a Muslim private school?

80 Fjordman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 12:59:12pm

OT:

Memories of Sayyid Qutb: An Interview With John Calvert

Qutb had nothing good to say about the United States. He was critical of the American concern with lawn care. He said he could not get a good haircut there. He was dismayed by what he regarded as the promiscuous relationships between men and women. I think he was a little bit afraid of women. He projected a lot of stuff on to women. He regarded women as a potential source of fitna, or social discord … Qutb was very afraid of the effects of sexuality as something that would compromise his identity as a God-fearing Muslim. If you look at his book Thorns, at the episodes he says that he experienced in the United States, women are always there in the background as temptresses.

Qutb is quite explicit that the whole world must inevitably submit to Islam. Islam is a religion about fair play, balance and humanity, so it’s only right that it be the dominant ideology in the world. He wants to begin by liberating the Muslim world from secular rulers …, then retake former Muslim land and then establish the universal Caliphate. He emphasizes the offensive nature of the jihad. He’s quite unapologetic about that. Throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, many Muslim writers, mostly modernists, tended to emphasize jihad as a spiritual struggle or defensive war, but for Qutb, jihad is about spreading Islam throughout the world, including the toppling of governments.

81 chickenlips  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:06:12pm

Since some of you are looking for pictures of bodies floating down in NOLA (and if you've got the stomach for the goriest nastiest stuff you will probably ever see) you can go to ogrish dot com. They have most of the previously published pics that have been floating around the net including the infamous "wheelchair" and convention center pics.
But be warned: that site is extremely violent, gory, perverse and flat out gross. You will need a shower after just going there. Again GO AT YOUR OWN RISK!

82 Gringo  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:06:58pm

#75 & #76 Silly people, of course you didn't see the bodies floating in the water, the both of you are couched in a lower form of reality. You see things as they really are, not just as you wish them to be. Maher is of the higher form of reality in which a person's reality is what they make it. What they WANT it to be...it therefore IS.

Bow down, lower forms.

The POS mo*slime terrorist deserves bail, his mother will not lose her house (she lied, it's a rental) and no, that was not a pair of monkeys that just flew out of my butt!

83 3sein  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:07:08pm

#52 Always Right

OK somebody's going to tell me Anarchy is not like that at all, it is for the "advanced, enlightened" people who could self govern?


So you don't know how to deal with *any* problem better than it's done now? Means you still rely on archaic society structures, ideas & ideals?
Shame on you!
/sarc off

Oh, how I hate self-declared "enlightened elites" with a passion.
You say I shall not hate?
Well, i dislike them, but with even more passion.

84 LibraryGryffon  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:10:10pm

I hope Virginia's electronic bracelet system works better in this case than it did 9 years ago. A woman a few blocks from us in Norfolk was killed by her soon-to-be-ex-husband, a psychiatrist/psychologist (can't remember which) who was on apartment-arrest for stalking several of his patients. He obviously slipped out at least twice, because he was caught at her house a week after the killing, and several miles from his apartment. He was only caught because the neighbors saw him and called the police.

If the system works this well this time, will we get a call from Pakistan?

85 grayp  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:11:44pm
but he did it in English and on television. He said that people should listen to warnings by local government and follow them. The people that need that message won’t get it in time.

Because Bush said it in English on TV nobody else will say anything else - ever.

I despise these people.

86 Axiom  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:19:43pm

#80 Fjordman: Did Qtub ever visit Moscow?

He probably would have sh*t a brick when he learned the Soviet Union was the chief engineer on the Aswan High Dam.

87 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:20:24pm
88 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:33:27pm

79

Good question-- I ASSumed he was NOT at a public school...

89 razorbacker  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:33:29pm

#13

Where the hell have you been the last 4 years? Your denial of the facts is astounding.

90 hiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:37:25pm

#3 mad_scientist

There would be no holding us back if there were a Beslan-type incident here. All retraint will go out the window if we suffered a horror like that here.

91 rabidfox  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:40:54pm

If a US Beslan occured the LLL might well continue on their current path, but they'd find themselves awfully lonely. Even liberals who don't like Bush but aren't deranged will rise up in a back lash.

OT Brit Hume just did two classy things. One, he indicated that yesterday when he said the Bush Sr. never critized Clinton he (Hume) was wrong. A straight forward admission of error. Didn't know that any of the electronic media as capable of that. Two, he exposed the lie behind the crying man and his momma who didn't die on Fri, but on the day the hurrican hit. I LIKE Brit Hume.

92 shrike  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:44:44pm

A couple of weeks ago the National Post ran a picture of a floating body from New Orleans...arms stretched out like a cross with a coke bottle beside it. So symbolic looking. First thing I thought was the photographer was probably sitting waiting a long time to get that shot. KInd of ghoulish if you ask me...

93 hiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:50:11pm

#40 Studsup

I respectfully disagree. If they slaughter our kids, all bets are off. I don't care what the LLL would do, or the MSM, as it is irrelevant. Because there would arise a tidal wave a such rage from a sizeable number of the populace -- more than enough to do what has to be done -- that no one would care what the lefties and the dhimmis had to say about it.

94 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:53:38pm
95 SlothB77  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:56:58pm

University of Maryland University College is right next to the University of Maryland College Park campus, which are the Terrapins, and is a Grad School.

UMUC is for graduate level students who have careers, not for frat parties.

The campus is about four or five miles from downtown DC and the white house.

96 amyc  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 1:58:07pm

11 bacon lol 97% of those cookies were not arsenic!

97 thinkingmom  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:00:30pm
If it did, do you think America would wake up or pull the covers over her head?

Hell hath no fury like American mothers would display if ever a Beslan-type atrocity happened here...

98 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:03:57pm

#91 thinkingmom

AMEN!

99 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:04:20pm

OY PIMF

#97

100 Vickie  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:05:24pm

You All: Charming story of an "immigrant". So matches our own Grandpas and Grandmas stories when they came to America. Just unbelievable and he is right in my own backyard. Am I happy or what? NOT.

101 amyc  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:06:44pm

#67 Satan's sidekick--WOW! I just wrote my mom and email today wondering how long it would take until some sicko accused the pres. of trying to kill mexicans with rita. you know, seeing as he didn't get as many blacks as he wanted with katrina and all.

102 Megan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:07:49pm

97% of the food Chandia will be served in prison won't be covered in pig fat.

103 alkmyst  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:12:48pm
104 Beagle  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:13:02pm

#97 thinking mom

Hell hath no fury like American mothers would display if ever a Beslan-type atrocity happened here...

Children of Beslan

What does it take to define terrorism in the UN?

Nobody knows.

Saudi money buys a lot of influence.

105 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:19:41pm

#101 Vickie

You All: Charming story of an "immigrant". So matches our own Grandpas and Grandmas stories when they came to America. Just unbelievable and he is right in my own backyard. Am I happy or what? NOT.

Spot on.
I've a feeling our Grandparents arrived here with the knowledge they were fleeing a despised society, hoping for something that offered a new beginning.
To know that some other folks come here and not just criticize the US but actively seek its demise is reprehensible. If one wishes to continue to adhere to a departed society's values, why leave. Otherwise, you're merely an enemy agent of a foreign country, regardless of nationalized citizenship.

106 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:20:01pm

what does it take to define terrorism in the UN?

Uuuuhhmm...

1) No WMD...

2) Enforcing UN resolutions against anyone BUT Israel...

3) Build a fence to keep "freedom fighters" out...

4) Say "Freedom" or "Democracy"...

107 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:23:10pm

OT,

The death toll in Germany continues to rise...

108 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:25:25pm

(Oops. I should have checked the open thread.)

109 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:38:28pm
Hell hath no fury like American mothers would display if ever a Beslan-type atrocity happened here...

Not to mention all the folks here who have been, since 9/11, seething and thinking "attack me once, shame on you, attack me twice, and I'll go all Rambo on your ass."

110 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:40:47pm

FoxNews showing a jetblue A320 in CA with landing gear problems right now. They're dumping fuel and will try to land soon.

Plane took off from Burbank, headed for JFK.

111 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:40:57pm

JetBlue Airbus is doing an emergency landing in Los Angeles. The landing gear locked up and is positioned at a 90 degree angle.
Another one for the fwench!

112 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:44:37pm
113 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:45:23pm

Foist!

/hee hee

They just lost the video from the ground-mounted camera (webcam?).

114 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:45:59pm

God bless the folks on that plane. Hope they get out of this OK.

Now, how can the folks stuck on stupid blame Bush for this?

115 cracker_jones  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:47:03pm

OT
Japanese Mafia uses Russian-made hurricane machine to attack USA, revenge for Hiroshima

IDAHO FALLS, Idaho - An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack - and that this technology will soon be wielded again to hit another U.S. city.
Meteorologist Scott Stevens, a nine-year veteran of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, said he was struggling to forecast weather patterns starting in 1998 when he discovered the theory on the Internet. It's now detailed on Stevens' Web site, [Link: www.weatherwars.info,...] the Idaho Falls Post Register reported.

And all this time, I thought it was Rove's Evil Weather Machine.

116 Vickie  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:47:10pm

Sol: Its a night and day situation. All Immigration these days is NOT the same. There are perfectly lovely people who come to America from EVERYWHERE with the same objectives as our Grandparents. We welcome them. New Blood, New Vitality etc. But then there is Immigration as a Tactic of WAR. This is whats going on with too many and we need to speak about this openly. Time we did.

117 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:47:35pm

It's back on.

118 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:49:13pm

#114 JWF

Bette Midler will find a way.

119 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:51:42pm

#114 JammieWearingFool

Now, how can the folks stuck on stupid blame Bush for this?

Are you serious? The regular mechanic responsible for the inspection of the landing gear is a National Guard Reservist now stationed in Iraq owing to Bush's evil war.
:}

120 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:51:47pm

Ward,

Better Midler destroyed what little she had left of her career last night.

I appreciate when my enemies so readily identify themselves. Make sorting out the humans from the trash that much easier.

121 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:53:22pm

119,

#114 JammieWearingFool

Now, how can the folks stuck on stupid blame Bush for this?

Are you serious? The regular mechanic responsible for the inspection of the landing gear is a National Guard Reservist now stationed in Iraq owing to Bush's evil war.
:}

Thanks for the tip. Let's keep it between us.

122 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:57:06pm

Diverted to LAX, msnbc has live cam on the flight.

123 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 2:58:07pm

#115 cracker_jones

And all this time, I thought it was Rove's Evil Weather Machine.

You didn't know that Rove was in the Yakuza? Where you been?

124 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:04:38pm
You didn't know that Rove was in the Yakuza?

LOL! I'm picturing him with tatoos everywhere that doesn't show in a suit. It's not a pretty site.

Wassup with the jet? Keep me posted, I'm at work and thus TV-less.

125 Orson Buggy  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:04:54pm

#122 quark2

The front wheel is clearly turned sideways. Reporter says they can't dump fuel.

126 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:06:52pm

But we can't bug mosques where hate is preached or these Muslim student organizations, because that would be racist. See here

/spit

127 takanhorse  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:08:26pm

#97 SlothB77

Not exactly. UMUC is part of the University of Maryland system, but as you pointed out, is tailored more for working adults rather than the "normal" college or university. It has a campus near College Park, but there are other campuses spattered about the state, and they offer courses online. They also offer courses at Army forts (maybe other branches, too?) throughout the States and in Germany as well for active duty and spouses. They offer Bachelors and Master level courses, but the entrance standards are not anything like College Park. I don't know if this is still the case, but about 5-6 years ago, the entrance standards were the same of a Community College type system.

College Park is a "real" brick and mortar university complete with Frat houses as you relayed.

128 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:10:41pm

#13 mad_scientist 9/21/2005 12:35PM PDT

#5 m

If that ever happened here, God forbid, America would rise up like never seen before.

Even the radical left would have to shut the hell up and stand with us...

No, they wouldn't. Remember, to most of the far (and even not-so-far) left, America is the enemy.

129 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:13:38pm

On another topic, I got a nice letter from the Office of the Vice President, regarding my email asking Bush not to appoint Jimmuh to any Katrina commission. Cool.

130 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:13:54pm

Nice Europeon product the Airbust. Can't dump fuel. viva la difference.

131 satan sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:14:40pm

moonbatbane

Is it just me or is anyone else tired of the accusations of being racist, prejudice, etc?

That is what the moonbats use to try and win arguments.

132 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:15:15pm
133 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:16:35pm

#125 Orson Buggy

Shep was saying that they were dumping fuel, over the Pacific.

134 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:17:18pm

#130 jrdroll

Nice Europeon product the Airbust. Can't dump fuel. viva la difference

Is the plane designed to prohibit this feature?

135 satan sidekick  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:17:21pm

132 Rayra

Maybe because it is French? After all, they are stuck on stupid. LOL

136 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:18:23pm

#130 jrdroll

Computer probably won't let 'em. Friggin' Airbus.

/next time buy boeing

137 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:21:40pm

The jetblue thing reminds me of this.

138 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:21:57pm

Actually, I hope not.

139 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:24:09pm

OT

Is it just me? LGF seems to have been as dead as a doornail in the past 72 hours, or so. Just wonderin'.

140 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:25:46pm

#139

not just you... I got the same feeling.

Maybe just the two of us, but at not just you;)

141 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:26:37pm

Charles is a new media muckety-muck now. Now time for us peons. :-D On the other hand, no news is good news? (wishful thinking)

142 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:27:00pm

@125 Buggy Orson

Those stoopid fwench!

143 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:31:29pm

Only excitement I've seen so far has been a major flame war between Rightasrain and Miss Vickie. *sigh*

144 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:33:42pm

I'll put a $20 on rightasrain...

145 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:33:43pm

That plane still circling?

146 Orson Buggy  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:34:16pm

#133 Ward Cleaver
Chopper pilot on CBS says they can't. Airbus not capable.

147 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:34:48pm

eeevil conservative & Cartman

I'M back in town! Things will start to pick up right away!

148 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:34:58pm

#134

Is the plane designed to prohibit this feature?

airbust 320 can't dump fuel-fox

149 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:35:27pm

I can't take it anymore...

WHAT is up with Amber Fry?

Is she in the news lately and I just haven't heard about it?

150 Orson Buggy  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:35:43pm

CBS speculates they will continue to hold and burn off fuel

151 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:36:45pm

#147 Obu-Wan

I'M back in town! Things will start to pick up right away!

WOOO HOOO!

152 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:37:14pm

Sure hope Charles has not taken offense to some of the "constructive criticism" offered with regards to the PJ Media emeritus. And conversely, I hope some of appointments/selections of media personalities for said venture have not chilled out any of the LGF contributors. Just another musing.

153 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:38:03pm

#151 eeevil conservative

You said it, pal!

154 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:39:06pm

Obi-wan

How ya been?

155 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:39:06pm

@139 Cartman

I noticed that too, until I went back and checked the open thread.

156 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:41:30pm

#136 Ward Cleaver

Computer probably won't let 'em. Friggin' Airbus.

/next time buy boeing

Curiously, a few months back* I was arguing for that on a Fark.com thread about how much better off everyone would be if Boeing was forced out of the airliner business.

*I think it was when the A-380 was rolled out.

157 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:42:21pm

#154 eeevil conservative

I've been running around like crazy and getting ready to do some more running. Been to and through 10 states in the last five days.

158 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:42:28pm

#132 Rayra

They're all pretty complicated, if you look at them. Especially the military ones that have to keep a low profile. The difference is Boeing ones work all of the time. ;)

159 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:44:13pm

God Bless you Obi-wan

I need a nap after just reading about it...

160 Geepers  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:44:25pm

Well isn't this nice:

Terrorists Use Children as Shields; Child Dies in Firefight

WASHINGTON, Sept. 21, 2005 – One child was killed and another was injured when terrorists used them as human shields during coalition forces raids of three terrorist safe houses Sept. 20 in Mosul, Iraq's third largest city, officials in Baghdad reported today.
Based on tips from concerned citizens and multiple intelligence sources, coalition forces raided two suspected safe houses to capture known terrorists operating in Mosul. The terrorists were believed to have senior al Qaeda connections in the city and northern Iraq, officials said.

When coalition forces entered the first terrorist safe house, three terrorists attacked with small-arms fire. Coalition forces returned fire, killing two terrorists and wounding another.

During the firefight, one of the terrorists used a small child to shield himself as he fired on coalition forces. The child was slightly wounded during the exchange of gunfire. The child and wounded terrorist were evacuated and are being treated at a local field hospital. Both are expected to recover from their wounds, officials noted.

Coalition forces then moved to a second suspected terrorist safe house, where they were again met with small-arms fire. They killed one terrorist, and several other terrorists fled the safe house into a third house nearby, where coalition forces killed four more terrorists, officials reported.

The coalition forces did not see one of the terrorists pick up a small child as he was fleeing the second safe house. During the firefight, the hostage-holding terrorist was shot. The same bullet that killed him also killed the child as it exited the terrorist's body, officials said.

These are the people Bill Maher calls "brave".

161 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:44:27pm

this from the Guardian, these people are really really scary

Undoubtedly Hizb ut-Tahrir has an ugly face. Anti-semitic views have been published on its website and distributed by members (though disowned by other members) - and this was the main reason why the Guardian felt unable to continue employing a member of the group earlier this year.
But the organisation has other faces too. I first met a couple of articulate women from Hizb ut-Tahrir over a year ago. Among their views on the political system the party would like to see instituted in Muslim states, they talked of its promise of a more equal society focused on distribution rather than production. "There is an alternative to capitalism," said Ruksana Rahman. Another spokeswoman, Dr Nazreen Nawaz, told me: "The Islamic economic system would provide an answer to poverty."
.

link

162 Orson Buggy  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:44:52pm

A C5 loadmaster once told me they were overweight and had to emergency land at Cairo. The Cairo people told them no due to weight, so they dumped jet fuel downtown! LOL

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:45:05pm

#139 Cartman
Charles has been pretty active today. He had to edit one of my posts earlier so he's around and reading stuff.
I wouldn't worry much about the "criticism" effecting things around here. Sometimes Charles seems to almost enjoy getting us riled up.

164 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:45:06pm

Wow. Anybody come across this? Jet Blue Fl. # 292 tracking

165 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:45:49pm

#159 eeevil conservative

God has and continues to bless me. If you don't hear from me for a week or so, you'll know why.

166 will_not_back_down  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:46:38pm

Sorry OT, sort of:

Coming soon to a blog/paper/TV near you. How to not cause radical terrorism by not talking about it in the news:

One striking proposal is a call for people to refrain from talking about Islamic terrorism.
Link

Ya so we cant see them coming. Right EU will be right on board with this proposal.

167 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:47:04pm

#161

The Islamic economic system would provide an answer to poverty.


Go ask the Taliban's hostages.

168 tats66  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:48:38pm

Im sure you guys have heard already, but just i case...George W. Bush's illegal and immoral war in Iraq has once again sucked away monies away from other important areas...Jet Blue's landing gear fund has been emptied by this horrific crusade and there are now over 140 souls in danger because of Bush!...


Hey did I sound like Cindy Sheehan? Did I? Did I?...

169 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:50:31pm
170 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:51:02pm

#168

Jet Blue's landing gear fund has been emptied by


kkkarl rove to divert attention from the quagmire in NO and Iraq

171 Geepers  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:51:27pm

Cartman (#139),

Is it just me? LGF seems to have been as dead as a doornail in the past 72 hours, or so.

Well, there were only 2,871 comments yesterday, so, yeah. ;-)

172 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:51:45pm

Obi-wan

Where eer you are, my prayers are with you...

THANKS FOR ALL YOU ARE DOING!

173 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:52:05pm

#169 eeevil conservative

You are very eeevil indeed!

174 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:52:17pm

#169
Hell is populated with Helen?

175 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:52:24pm

for PETE'S SAKE! PIMF

Where EVER you are, my prayers are with you...

176 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:53:29pm

#166 will_not_back_down


One striking proposal is a call for people to refrain from talking about Islamic terrorism. In an attempt to ensure that the vast majority of peaceful Muslims are not portrayed as terrorist sympathisers, the paper says: "The commission believes there is no such thing as 'Islamic terrorism', nor 'Catholic', nor 'red' terrorism ... The fact that some individuals unscrupulously attempt to justify their crimes in the name of a religion or ideology cannot be allowed in any way ... to cast a shadow upon such a religion or ideology."

Dhimmitude stinks

177 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:53:56pm

161 AtlasShrugged

"There is an alternative to capitalism," said Ruksana Rahman. Another spokeswoman, Dr Nazreen Nawaz, told me: "The Islamic economic system would provide an answer to poverty."

As it does so well now. *Snork*

178 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:54:32pm

from the mythical-moderate-mohammedean watch:

King Abdullah of Jordan Seeks Ijtihad Not Jihad

perhaps this piece could be jointly posted with #21 abu maven's report of Musharraf's speech, which also mentions how the Hashemite monarch is trying to stamp out unauthorized fatwas

(and no, ijtihad is apparently not a jihad conducted by idiots...)

179 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:55:03pm

#171 Geepers

Just an observation/perception on my part. That's all.

180 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:55:39pm

@161 Atlas Shrugged

"The Islamic economic system would provide an answer to poverty."

Oh yes, we'd all have equality alright, equal
poverty!

181 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:55:44pm

#171 Geepers
Yeah, those open threads are getting huge.

182 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:55:46pm

#175 eeevil conservative

I'm not doing much but thanks for the prayers.

183 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:56:28pm

#176

the paper says: "The commission believes there is no such thing as 'Islamic terrorism


So Bin Laden, Hamas, HezbolALLEN et al are liars?

184 will_not_back_down  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:56:53pm

#176 Killgore Trout

It hasn't even been covered yet like it should here or on that side of the Atlantic yet and the EU in Brussels wants to tone it down? WTF is that all about. I'm all for the them not making themselves out as part of the islamofacist propaganda wing as they have been the past decade or so but sheessh this if off the dang scale.

185 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:57:37pm

#176 Killgore

"The commission believes there is no such thing as 'Islamic terrorism', nor 'Catholic', nor 'red' terrorism ... The fact that some individuals unscrupulously attempt to justify their crimes in the name of a religion or ideology cannot be allowed in any way ... to cast a shadow upon such a religion or ideology."

Right. Oh...and by the way, my dog doesn't bite. ;-)

186 quark2  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 3:59:53pm

@176 Kilgore Trout

One striking proposal is a call for people to refrain from talking about Islamic terrorism

You mean like the way Baghdad Bob denied the coalition forces were at the airport in Baghdad?
That kind of blind denial? Is this supposed to mute the pain of having your neck sawed?

187 eeevil conservative  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:00:45pm

Obi-wan..

My pleasure to pray for you...and- don't be so steenkin' humble ;)

188 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:00:49pm

#184 will_not_back_down
When I saw the article this morning I thought it was going to be about not showing beheadings, not airing Binladen speaches, etc.
It seems they're working on the theory that if we ignore terrorism it wil go away. A great example of Mr Wittle's sheep analogy.

189 will_not_back_down  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:05:29pm

188 Killgore Trout

I'll bet. It's more about fear than anything else. And it's EU's fear or lack of backbone. Yes, I'm gray and I just finished reading two very good books: "The West's Last Chance" Blankley and just finished up "New Glory" Peters. So I'm a bit fired up is all after reading this.

190 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:06:03pm

OT,

Hurricane Rita now officially stronger than Katrina.

Where's Ed? Is he evacuating?

191 Exiled Spaniard  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:06:17pm

Regarding Airbus:

It is a French+British+German+Spanish consortium. It is not just French.

I have been on a test flight for the Airbus340 where part of the procedure was dumping fuel. I thought it worked quite well.

Indeed, five main computers for the A320 was deemed as overkill, hence why the A340 has only three.

Regarding long distance flights, I believe Airbus currently has the upper hand
[Link: www.detnews.com...]

... but who cares, I think we all have bigger worries on this day and age.

I do not see how picking on fellow westerners, i.e. non-brainwashed europeans who make a living from Airbus, helps at all. If it makes you feel better, go ahead. I shall remain quiet from now on.

/off

192 Cyberpinoy  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:08:45pm

Sh!t I am a professor at University of Maryland University College. You should hear how some of my moonbat fellow professors rail against the US and side with Islamists in the so-called faculty forum (groups.yahoo.com/MdFF). And these are the ones overseas - teaching for the US Military. Do a search in the Stars and Stripes (estripes.com) to see some of the "wonderful" things these moonbats say about Bush and the US.

193 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:09:18pm

#187 eeevil conservative

Well, the steenkin' part is right! :-)

194 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:14:13pm

#191

I do not see how picking on fellow westerners, i.e. non-brainwashed europeans who make a living from Airbus, helps at all. If it makes you feel better, go ahead. I shall remain quiet from now on.

Well if you've got a defect in your product. People are eventually going to find out about it. Critizeing a product's defects is in the manufacturers best interest. So chill and learn.

195 will_not_back_down  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:15:15pm

192 Cyberpinoy

I'm sure they are Cyber. Word of mouth will keep the GI's out of their class rooms hopefully.

196 jrdroll  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:20:10pm

Hooray for the plane

197 cracker_jones  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:21:21pm

They made it!
WOOO WOOO

198 will_not_back_down  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:22:06pm

Amazing landing.

199 Cartman  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:24:18pm

#191 Exiled Spaniard

Please don't take comments on the European state of the union personally. It's a boiling cauldron of sewage (politically) and we all know it. That is not at all indicative of true human perception - one-on-one. I think we all recognize that there are free-thinking an free-willed Spaniard, French, German, Anglo and E. Euro peoples who are pissed off at the politically correct lunacy they are being subjected to. It's a mirror of what's happening here in The States. Personally, I don't think anyone in here intended to attack the intellect or ingenuity of others. Accidents and calamities happen all the time, as we have so vividly witnessed in the recent past. Stay on board, E.S., and continue to contribute. No need for you to back off now. Hang in there!

200 transferthem  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 4:58:15pm

As usual, no real surprise.

Islam is riddled with hatred and paranoia from top to bottom. Does this give teh lie to the argument about terror being generated by a few economically deprived loonie muslim youths? No, it doesn't. Mere observation of the words and gestures of 99.99% of islam (yes, there are some honourable exceptions) give the lie to that theory. And often teh biggest most dangerous extremists are the very muslim leaders who are characterised by the MSM and left as being 'moderates'.

This case is typical, not atypical.

It's islam, stupid!

201 Aisha  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 6:49:11pm

Do not defame Islam, transfer-jew! All Islam is moderate because it is the way of Allah Ta'ala and rejects the lies of the jews and on the otherhand the polytheism of the christians. How then, can any Muslim be "extreme"? The answer is that he cannot, because the way of Allah Ta'ala dictates moderation, even when shaving the private parts - do we have to shave smooth? No, we can grow our private-part-hair to the length of a grain of rice. Now that is moderation.

202 transferthem  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 10:32:41pm

#201 Aisha

Go and root your camel you antisemitic piece of pig crap. Any lies are those of islam, not Judaism and Chrisitianity. As for allah, I passed that crap into my toilet bowl this morning before wiping the remaiins away with a page of the koran.

Happy now?

203 Diane L.  Wed, Sep 21, 2005 11:31:46pm

#202: Don't stress about Aisha's comment, it's satire.

204 ashan  Thu, Sep 22, 2005 2:18:02am
205 EE  Fri, Sep 23, 2005 1:29:47am

The leadership of the jihad does not come from the poor and uneducated. It comes from the privileged and the educated. Those who are looking for root causes of jihad should not think that it is poverty and lack of education.

Islam does not directly and inevitably cause fanatical religious extremism, because there are people who call themselves Muslims who are not fanatics. But those who have some tendency toward jihad can find a strong resonance in Islam; they can find a great deal to support that tendency to jihad and to amplify their jihad tendencies.

In the language that the medical profession uses to explain things to the public, you might say that Islam is a "risk factor" for terrorist jihad.

Islam doesn't directly, by itself, inevitably cause a Muslim to become a jihadi; but it's a powerful multiplier of any tendency toward jihad.


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