Hey, I've got it! Let's give them their own state! That'll solve the problem lickety split.

TOTALLY within character.

How can we reward them? GIVE THEM A STATE!

Bastards.

My initial knee-jerk emotional thought is, "Well, Israel should do the same in abandoned Mosques in Israel."

Then I remember that Israel is different from them. Israelis don't do things like that.

Were it not Temple Mount I'd say the Dome of the Rock should be turned into a pork processing plant. Luncheon meat for all!

Most of the most effective weapons ended up in pieces splattered on the ground. That would make one disgusting museum

Screw them and their cheap, grade-school level provocations. It stopped being a synagogue when all of the Jews left ... we have always understood that it is about people, not buildings or the 6782nd holiest site or rocks.

Anybody seen a desecrated Koran around here lately?

I nominate "palestinians" as the biggest waste of oxygen on the planet.

This will be first in the DNCBS evening news. In 5...4...3...2...never mind.

into a museum that would display weapons employed by the terrorist group’s members

They should include a display with AFP, BBC, and al Reuters reporters along with an assortment of MSM anchors.

Airing now on CBC

Hamas: Behind the Mask

[Link: www.filmstransit.com...]

...From my cable program guide ...

"Passionate Eye": A look at the history of the militant islamic movement Hamas and its shift from a terrorist group to a growing political force in Israel.

How clueless can you get?

A statement issued yesterday by Hamas said, "Qassam rockets and other locally made arms will be exposed, since it is the legal weapon that evicted the occupation forces."

What constitutes "legal" there? And wasn't it the IDF who rounded up everyone and escorted the Israelis that remained out?

Evict my aunt fanny.

The more I consider the Gaza withdrawl the more I link it to an Israeli position to take it back in a defensive war with Hamas.

I have no confirmation that this is the Israeli position at all. However, I think the Israelis recognize that Hamas will control Gaza and use it as a staging ground to launch attacks against Israel.

That is just sick.

Anyone think that we will see thousands of Jews riotring in the streets killing people over this? I didn't think so.

Great. Maybe Sean Penn can be the first to visit.

"Allah akbar!"

Translation: The world is my toilet, I'll shit where I want to.

Lay it out there boys, then we don't have to prove anything. Just like signing on the dotted line. Signed,Sealed,Now who's the deliveryman?

/Just thinkin' out loud

Why can't they make a museum showing Palestinian contributions to the world? For example, in the arts there's..um, there's uh...okay so it won't be an art museum. But it could be a science museum, maybe something like the Air and Space in the US. Oh wait, no, Palestine hasn't made any scientific or technological advancements either. In the US we have the National Archives- documents like the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, all about our culture of freedom and our dedication to liberty-- oops, that's absolutely out of the question in Palestine's case. There's got to be something they've contributed to the world, medicine-no, not that; knowlege or research- no contributions in that feild either, compassion and morality, definitely not.

Maybe they can just be like leftists who have nothing good to contribute to the world, and make a bunch of anti-American exhibits.

I find it amazing that they left a synagogue standing. It must have been an accident and now they are trying to cover for the mistake. The most troubling aspect of this is the continuation of the double standard between Islam and its victims in the world press. Islamic terrorist atrocities are still excused, Islam is not allowed to be named as the force behind the terror, and those who battle against it are ignored, marginalized, or ridiculed as "racists" and "islamophobes". Because of that, I'm sure this report will be missing from many news reports and newspapers.

How about they include Sheik Ahmed Yassin's armored wheelchair?

So ...a splodeydope diorama?

Dig those cool hands on displays.

Megan,

Maybe they can just be like leftists who have nothing good to contribute to the world, and make a bunch of anti-American exhibits.

They seem to be brothers in arms. Their only contributions to the world are misery and hatred.

The announcement comes exactly 18 months after Hamas founder Sheik Yassin exploded. I wonder if they saved the twisted remnants of his wheelchair for the ROP Museum he inspired?

Maybe they can just be like leftists who have nothing good to contribute to the world, and make a bunch of anti-American exhibits.

Oops, shouldn't have said that. Now they're going to want NEA funding and whine about "censorship" if they don't get it.

The gift shop includes bomb belts, red binders, and St. Corrie's Pancake Mix.

Just remember folks - every vile thing they do moves them further away from gaining the West Bank and closer to losing Gaza.

At least i hope it does.

I hope Sharon's theory on this is "give them enough rope and they will hang themselves".

#19 Megan

Hmm.. The Palesthonian?

How many different ways can you display dynamite, C4, and roofing nails? (As noted, the delivery systems are no longer available for display.) Sounds about as fascinating as the average cardboard box.

# 19 Megan

Maybe they can just be like leftists who have nothing good to contribute to the world, and make a bunch of anti-American exhibits.

Yeah. And they can call it "The Freedom Museum."

# 20 sonofsheldon

I find it amazing that they left a synagogue standing. It must have been an accident and now they are trying to cover for the mistake.

They had to leave one standing to show what they destroyed. The Nazi's did the same thing in Budapest.

Wait, you mean I just compared Hamas to the Nazi's? Probably not a bad comparison...

The Cult of Hatred. I could not stand myself 24 hours seething with such hatred. The only meaningful action would be to blow myself up.

A weapons museum?

Don't you mean a "mosque"?

# 28 uptight

Just remember folks - every vile thing they do moves them further away from gaining the West Bank and closer to losing Gaza.

Wishful thinking...

# 29 prospero

How many different ways can you display dynamite, C4, and roofing nails? (As noted, the delivery systems are no longer available for display.) Sounds about as fascinating as the average cardboard box.

You forgot the rat poison...

What does one expect? First, they have driven the Israelis out and the U.S. has turned a blind eye. I'm so friggin' mad at Bush, Cundi Rice, and the rest of the administration for giving the Paleo's a pass.

"either your with us or against us" seemingly doesn't apply when Joos are in the mix.

F.U. Paleo's,
F.U. Bush,
F.U. Cundi!

The gift shop includes bomb belts, red binders, and St. Corrie's Pancake Mix.

You are good, Megan.

car swarm museum?

If you give a mouse a cookie...

Which newspaper or news station will be the first to give a good review of the museum? NYT, BBC, CBS...?

And which American or European universities or university professors will offer study abroad trips to see the museum?

I don't believe Ive heard any statement of condemnation about this. Not from ANYONE. Anyone that matters that is. Have we seen this attitude before? Awww..yep we have. The run up to the Holocaust. We were to "sensitive". We were exaggerating. OR stop complaining all the time. Hmmm. Does history seem to repeat itself or what?

Come to think of it: Egypt has been "acting up" recently. Have I heard a PEEP? of condemnation. Condemnation that the whole world KNOWS we mean? Nah. Will we in fact stop giving monies for the Peace that never was..to Egypt?

#33 Carl in Jerusalem

Wishful thinking...

Thought as much.

Bring back Bibi

"We also agreed that ultimately those who want to be part of the political process should not engage in armed group or militia activities,"

--- statement by the Quartet

"ultimately"? As in ultimately the lion will lie down with the lamb and there will be peace throughout the world?

What this means is that the item placed in phase one of the road map -- "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure" -- has now slipped to an ultimate requirement that "should" occur sometime before the end of days.

Perhaps after the Hamaside jihadi terrorist entity has been warring on Israel for 1000 years, the Quartet may decide that the time is soon coming for some sort of desisting from engaging in armed group or militia activities.

I noticed that the Quartet used the word "must" for negotiations, and also decided on the outcome of negotiations to meet Pali demands, with more "must" words.

But the basic requirement of "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure" has vaporized into the ether and become a process that will ultimately lead to something. In other words, it has just about vanished, and there seems to be no urgency on the part of the Quartet that the Palis take the first step of the roadmap.

The Quartet, in other words, is pushing for a Hamaside jihadi terrorist Islamic republic, a Talibanized Islamofascist entity (check Hamas' charter, and its Muslim Brotherhood origins), that will wage endless war against Israel.

The War on Terror is dead in the region of the Levant, as far as the Quartet is concerned. It's time for the terrorists to reign supreme there, as far as the Quartet is concerned.

What is clear is that Israel has received no real credit for its concession of the Gaza Strip -- for ceding the territory of the Gaza Strip, for removing the entire Jewish population of the Gaza Strip, and for removing all Israeli soldiers of the Gaza Strip. Sharon has been stabbed in the back, betrayed. He should draw the appropriate conclusions and resign, call for new elections, and retire to enjoy his later years in peace on his ranch. This would be a favor to Israel, since there is no way that the Labor party could expel Jews from Judea and Samaria against the determined opposition of the Likud.

It makes sense. It had been a place to venerate the Torah, now it's a place to worship the terrah'.

#38 Megan
Which newspaper or news station will be the first to give a good review of the museum? NYT, BBC, CBS...?

And which American or European universities or university professors will offer study abroad trips to see the museum?

WOW! Megan, you have got that D-O-W-N.

I say we donate a couple cluster bombs to complete the collection during the opening ceremonies.

How about we all pitch in a few bucks each to purchase a well know mosque here. Then we could re-open under new management, say like The Religion of Bacon's Kosher 24 Hour Strip Club, Liquor Bar and Bar-B-Q Lounge.

Absolutely vile. It's unbelieveable. Synogogues are places of worship. Place for peaceful introspection. Not a place for worshipping the suicide bomber.

However, it does tell you all you need to know about their intentions. Hamas wouldn't mind blowing up all the synogogues it possibly could get their suicide bombers to.

#41 EE

What is clear is that Israel has received no real credit for its concession of the Gaza Strip -- for ceding the territory of the Gaza Strip, for removing the entire Jewish population of the Gaza Strip, and for removing all Israeli soldiers of the Gaza Strip. Sharon has been stabbed in the back, betrayed.

What is clear is that:

1) Sharon "stabbed" his own people.
2) The World has proven again that it doesn't give a #%(@ about Joos.
3) Evil continues to triumph aided to a large extent by our Federal government.

This is a bomb we used to kill the infidels,
and over here is a machine gun we used to kill infidels. Here we have a bomb belt we used to kill infidels. This is a piece of a body of a martyr who killed the infidels. And right here you can see a Koran verse, showing what a peaceful religion Islam is. In the next wing, you'll see photos of jihad fighters killing infidels, taken by our allies such as Reuters, the BBC, and the AFP.

#8 Carolyn - haven't read the rest of the thread yet (thought for a switch I'd start reading from the top down!) but I second that nomination
(though I do confess the Iranians, Syrians and North Koreans are still in the running!

Notice none of those weapons, except for a suicide bomb and high school punk could fabricate, were invented, developed or manufactured by that ilk.

Perhaps they should have the corpses of the children they use as bombers on display. Oh wait, they have to be buried in order to go to Allah.

My question, does a 9 year old suicide bomber still get to screw virgins after they die?

#11 Liz Ard - "How clueless can you get?" um, CBC?
C'mon, that was an easy one, give us a toughie!

#49 real west:

Yeah, but per capita...

No, I take that back. Per capita, the honor belongs to Democrat senators.

Oh, so they're converting it into a mosque?

Re: Charles Update.

Good question, Charles - I've re-read it about 6 times and am too speechless to comment. It's because the world doesn't really care? What about our US Jewish leaders? I'm just sick.

From our "Machiavellian" best GOP "hope":

Secretary of State Rice suggested in an interview published this week in Time magazine that the Palestinian Authority focus on disarming Fatah-based militias for now and suggested that Hamas be dealt with later.

"I understand that there are complications with Hamas and there are questions about how capable they would be of actually insisting on disarmament of Hamas," Ms. Rice said.

Jeez, if they disarm the trash in Fatah, then who could hold the scum Hamas in check? it's like disarming the Visigoths so the Huns could over-run them.

Nu, the Paleostanis act exceptionally vile and stupid. What else new?

A good* IAF pilot could probably shoulder-toss a 500 lb onto it without breaking into Gazastanian airspace.

By the way, should we start calling Bushehr "Osiran"?

* And they're all good.

#56 Jakester

Oh geez. That selective disarmament trick was tried in Mogadishu a few years ago and didn't work out so well. Ms. Rice is old enough to remember that; I wonder where she was?

And, once again, we have the old "Israel is demanding" that Hamas mustn't be allowed to stand for elections, whereas in fact it was a requirement of the Oslo accords that terrorists not stand for elections.

Amazing how any requirement of the Palestinians in any agreement to which they purportedly commit themselves becomes merely "an Israeli demand."

As for the CBC documentary... I'm sooo glad my tax dollars are paying for that.
/sarc

#20 sonofsheldon - I admit it's unusual for ME to point out others typos, but your line:"...many news reports and newspapers." has an extra "m" in it.

I think it's no longer a synagogue because:
1. The Torah scrolls have been removed, and
2. It's no longer collecting dues.

I’m reading this again, and wondering where the hell is the world’s outrage about this?

A) It's at the expense of Jews, so no biggie.
B) The soft bigotry of low expectations, as applied to the behavior of Paleos.
C) People are too mortified to admit that they've seen their heroes in their true light, as bloodthirsty, incompetent cavemen.
D) Gaza is old news and therefore irrelevant; the world has already moved on to the next set of demands on Israel.
E) All of the above.

...where the hell is the world’s outrage about this?

Charles,

I don't mean to get all Bigel about this. But a greater shock to the system would be if we actually DID see world outrage about ANYTHING happening to Jews.

Personally, I would rather not see any outrage about this. I think the most that Judaism could EVER hope for in this world is benign neglect.

If the world DIDN'T fixate on Israel and the Jews, we'd be in a much better place. Then we could defend our country, go about our business, and -- God forbid -- even screw up every once in a while, without the world's media crawling up our ass with a proctoscope

Who Watches the Watchmen? #52:
That reminds me of a joke, the punchline of which is, "OK, you can go inside, but don't let me catch you praying!"

#41 EE
What is clear is that Israel has received no real credit for its concession of the Gaza Strip

Please excuse me for not really knowing but, it seems to me a good reason for NOT giving up the West Bank and a good reason to fight like hell in lieu of any additional land loss. I hope that's right.

#39 Vickie - whaddya mean "anyone who matters?"
WE MATTER, and more and more so each day.

"Hamas announces that they’re going to turn a Jewish house of worship into a memorial to mass murder ... and the silence is absolutely deafening."

Well when the thugs desecrated the Church of the Nativity a few years ago, nobody gave a damn. The silence at that time was broken only by the footsteps of those rushing to vilify Israel for being responsible for what the thugs did.

Why should things be different now?

Sickening

Israel should publicly announce the date and time that they are going to launch missiles to destroy the Gaza synagogues in order to prevent them from being desecrated by the murderers from Hamas.

No negotiating. No delays. Not our fault if there are people around when the missiles strike. Over and out.

#69 - Ploome

Looks like you beat me to the punch.

#41 EE:

Israel has received no real credit for its concession of the Gaza Strip

And I'm just shocked... shocked, I tell you! Who would ever have seen that one coming?

Oops, if I keep going at this rate I'm going to use up my year's supply of /sarc. Sorry...

#66 cba

That reminds me of the joke about the guy who was stranded on an island for two years. When rescuers finally found him, he showed them around the village he had built. The rescuers were curious about why he had two synagogues. The castaway explained, "This is the one I go to. That one over there I would never set foot into."

On a serious note, is it any surprise that this is happening? Grave stones used in latrines, the kotel used as a garbage dump...I only have four words: "East Jerusalem" my ass.

#67 Semper Fi
Good post.

There's nothing new under the sun.

X/Y/Z group of people is attacking and vilifying Jews? Barbarians seek to tear down civilization? It's all happened dozens of times before.

Anyone out here know if you have to be Jewish to get an Israeli passport?

#75 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I must be stupid tonight, but I don't get the joke...

Who Watches the Watchmen?, my parents had a couple of records I used to listen to growing up. One was You Don't Have to be Jewish and I don't remember the other one.

One of my favourite skits was The Plotnik Curse (pronounced "coyse"). If you've heard it you'll know the one I mean. Another was the reading of the will, which had a lot of great lines, but the best line was, "Hello, Louie!"

68 realwest

"We" as in LGF, or the blogosphere?

Cognosus, you're not Jewish are you?

Here's a gentile joke for you:

A gentile man phones his mother and says, "Hi, ma. I know I said I'd come round tonight for dinner but something came up and I'm not going to be able to make it."

So his mother says, "OK."

Who can be surprised at this? The Muslims use their own mosques as arsenals.

#79 ploome hineni - see my #7

OK, Cognosus, so I lied--really it's a Jewish joke.

And in my experience, Jews laugh uproariously at the joke. Some non-Jews also think it's funny (especially if they're in a mixed group and they see the Jews laughing and then they realise who the joke's really on), but in most cases they don't.

I see that a lot of jokes are going unappreciated. (#85, meet #54) Maybe because it's getting late on the East Coast.

#79 - Ploome

Strange how all the sophisticated MSM highly agnostic and atheistic intelligentsia got so riled up about a rumour that the Koran - a book - was thrown in the toilet.

They seemed to get more riled up about that than the fact that Saddam's sons used to toss people into shredders.

Strange.

It's going to be funny as hell when they accidently blow themselfs up while stocking all that ordiance in there.

And this is the "high" part of their culture...that they should preserve relics of death...

Do not speak to me of equality of all people. These beings do not come up to the most base level of being "human"...

These people deny their real roots, created another whole culture out of the air...PALESTINIAN...and then tout their greatest achievements...sacrificing their children for a few dollars and fame that is fleeting...

The place will be cleansed...one way or another.

#80 Cognosus

The joke in #75 is a famous Jewish joke.

Maybe someone else can explain why it's funny - cuz it is! ;)

I guess someone told these thugs that if you have a museum in your home town, it means you're cultured.

Closest they'll ever get to being civilized.

EE #41

Excellent post, as usual.

Neither the decision to set up this disgusting display (without a discouraging word from Mazen), nor the failure of the "civilized" world to object surprises me in the least.

After all, 65 years ago, did the world object when Jews were stripped of their civil rights, their businesses, their professions, their right to go to school, their very ability to walk in the parks or have a cup of coffee in a cafe, their citizenship, their possessions, and, finally, their lives?

In the face of that indifference, this is very small potatoes.

Jews have to stop looking to the rest of the world for justice.

Thanks, all, for humoring this goy.

One of my favorite Jewish jokes...

A man sees a woman he knows who is walking down the street with her two toddlers.

The man says something like, "Hi Mrs. Goldman! How nice to see you! How old are the kids now?"

She answers: "The doctor is 3 and the lawyer is 2." :)

---

Another similar one is a birth announcement where a Jewish Mom and Dad proudly announce the birth of their son whose name already has the title "Dr." in front of it. :)

Cognosus :-)

We should have a Jewish joke thread. :)

cba: Joke..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

cba: Im still laughing.

#98 Amy

We should have a Jewish joke thread. :)

We really should! :)

Prospero
I get your point, why go back 1700 years when you can go back 14 and see the same results?

This just in:

Former Pres and Arab apologist Jimmah Carter will be present to cut the ribbon on the new [bigoted word] weapons museum.

He will then proclaim "peace in our time".

On a recent talk show -- a minister, a priest and a rabbi were asked where their particular religion stood on just when a foetus became a human being.

The priest said, "A foetus is a human from the second of conception."

The minister said, "A foetus is a human when it becomes able to survive outside the womb"

"The rabbi said, "According to Judaism, a foetus becomes a human when it graduates medical school"

real west: Wish it were so but lets face it, you and I don't matter to the French Govnt, the English Govnt, to the various Arab Govnts. South America, China, Russia and so on and so forth. In fact how much of what we voted for..got done? Do we matter at all to our own Govnt? Especially in this issue. We are on our way to a Palistinian State or ? A Hamas State? Sooner or later. And?

#82 ploome hineni - each of my ex-wives were US born jews who held dual passports, US and Israeli, neither of them lived in Israel. If I, a goy, moved to Israel, would I be eligible for an Israeli passport?

rickmoss: Again..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Love it.

#80 Cognosus

The joke refers to a cultural quirk. In any Jewish community that has multiple synagogues, there is a tendency for some people to take a disliking to another congregation for some reason--they're not observant enough, they're too observant, the cantor likes the sound of his voice too much, they don't have a cantor, doesn't like the people--you name it. So the castaway in the joke doesn't feel at home until he has both his own synagogue and the one across town that he would never go to.

A woman and her little grandson are on the beach. The little boy is happily playing in the sand when a huge wave suddenly comes up and sweeps the boy out to sea.

The grandmother jumps up and screams, "Please, God, bring back my little grandson! I'm begging you!"

Another wave washes up and deposits the little boy back on the beach none the worse for wear.

After looking him over carefully, the grandmother looks up and says, "He had a hat!"

each day, the world witnesses another outrage since Jews expelled Jews from Gaza;
even the cosmos has become unbalanced as two ferocious hurricanes have tragically shown

[Link: www.arutzsheva.org...]

What I want to know is, why weren't the synagogues bulldozed before the Palis were let in, to prevent this defilement?

Amy: Thats a good one. I know that one. My version was: "so where's the hat?"

yehoshua #110

OK, so explain to me how killing poor black people in New Orleans is punishing the Israelis. You're suggesting that God engages in random destruction of people and cities.

You're also suggesting that the entire cosmos revolves around Gaza.

You're an idiot. Please just stop it.

#111 War Cleaver

why weren't the synagogues bulldozed before the Palis were let in, to prevent this defilement?

I think that was the point of leaving the builings standing.

why weren't the synagogues bulldozed before the Palis were let in, to prevent this defilement?

My personal belief is that they were left intact so the world could see what the animals do to the sacred places of others.

However, the flaw in that particular strategy is that no one in the world gives a fetid dingo's kidney what happens to Jews -- much less their places of worship.

[switch off Bigel mode]

They only seem to care about Buddhist statues.

#108: The explanation is HYSTERICAL too. G-d I remember those conversations. Half of us went to one Shul and half of our family to the another Shul..Exactly the same conversation. LOLOLOLOL

Im still laughing at the OK...joke. Take forever to explain THAT.

The synagogues were left standing, because the Israelis did not want to be the ones to destroy Jewish places of worship.

rickmoss: That exactly the reason they left it..and you are right..No one gives a flying fuck. WE do but thats about all. Geeze.

More jokes please. Love jokes.

#108

Where I live, the same applies to bars.

As to the Palis, I cannot help but believe that their behavior over the past 120 years or so is really a collective admission to G-d that they are despicable scum deserving of punishment.

You know, in the long run (hundreds of years), all enemies of Israel do have an uncanny tendency to disappear.

#111 Ward Cleaver

Israeli government was set to bulldoze synagogues. At last moment, Mofaz (secretary of defense) could not bear the thought of Jews destroying synagogues or, more precisely, the pictures of Jews destroying synagogues and what the media and Israel's enemies would do with these pictures. This was also a political ploy. This was Mofaz's last act as commander of events in Gaza. It had been decided that, following withdrawal, Shimon Peres (radical leftist) would have the last word on future military action in Gaza.

#116 Vickie

Walk around any shul in the world and start asking about the other shul in the neighborhood. See how many people say, "Oy! You don't want to go there!"

A Catholic boy was bragging to his Jewish friend: "My priest knows more than your rabbi!"

"Of course he does," said the Jewish boy. "You tell him everything."

#113

Do you think events occur randomly?

And why do you call people names?

"The Answer is in the Question":

This thread began off with the comment: 'Newsweek prints a false rumor that a Koran was dunked in a toilet, and the entire planet goes nuts'.

Shouldn't we send copies of this article to Newsweek, with a demand it be reprinted/expanded upon in their next issue - perhaps as a "down-payment" upon their obligation to make amends for prior FALSE reporting?

Who Watches: SO true. "You don't wanna go THERE!" lololol For some reason I have never heard the "OK" JOKE. Every few minutes I crack up again. Its hysterical. I love when we joke on ourselves.

I'm trying to remember the "Plotnik Coise"..something about a Diamond Ring..Wait a min.I remember but not the actual punchline of joke. LOLOL..

Where I first came to LGF someone was putting up jokes about Arafat and his settling of issues by shooting off his gun. And also Fat Jokes usually about Sharon. They were funny too.

Methinks its time to start manufacturing and selling Koran-Toilet-Paper. Ironically, The Marcal tissue factory is right next to Paterson, NJ -- where there was jubilance on 9-11.

Amy: Last joke is cute and funny..lolol..Love it.

Let me tell you I'm getting really worried,
terrorism seems to work, the Muslims are creeping into every western country, they are prolific as bunnies, (I was going to say rats) that would be rude, tsk tsk,

Their aim is to convert the whole world to Islam.

They will try and terrorize us from within our own country, I know that I am not politically correct but frankly I don't give a damn.

Shouldn't we send copies of this article to Newsweek, with a demand it be reprinted/expanded upon in their next issue

Unfortunately, the only "demands" that Newsweek bows to are those from MoveOn.Org, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Yassir Arafat or Kofi Annan.

They aren't interested in hearing the demands of any decent people.

The Palis are headed for a real big smackdown.

A priest, a minister, and a rabbi are caught in an illegal poker game.

COP: Father, were you gambling?
PRIEST: (Looks heavenward and mumbles "Forgive me") No, officer, I wasn't.

COP: Reverend, were you gambling?
MINISTER: (Looks heavenward and mumbles "Forgive me") No, officer, I wasn't.

COP: Rabbi, were you gambling?
RABBI: And who would I be gambling with?

A man goes to his rabbi and says, "Rabbi -- I think my wife is trying to poison me" The rabbi says, "I'm sure you're mistaken, let me talk to your wife and I'll straighten everything out. The next day, the rabbi comes to the man and says, "Yesterday -- I spent 4 hours talking to your wife... take the poison"

Outrage?

Why?

Everything is going according to *The Plan*.

Just ask the Wahhabster and SoS Reich.

Remember, ALL nations turn against Israel; Wahabbster has completed the picture.

Katrina and Rita are only the start - those muslim nukes are already here. Very soon.

Now, have a nice day. You've earned it.

The time is coming which was fore told, when the Palis will ask for bread and be given corpses.

The time is coming which was fore told, when the Palis will ask for bread and be given corpses.

Well, for the last 40 years -- they've been given Dollars and Euros

#105 Vickie - " the French Govnt, the English Govnt, to the various Arab Govnts. South America, China, Russia and so on and so forth." , don''t matter to me one little bit.
And the fact that we don't get everything we voted for simply means that we are a nation ruled by laws not man, NOT to mention that there'd be a true civil war if we got EVERYTHING we voted for.

"...Especially in this issue. We are on our way to a Palistinian State or ? A Hamas State? Sooner or later. And? " So you're saying that especially in this issue the Israeli's don't matter to THEIR OWN government?

Sorry folks, but I'm outta here before this turns into a Jew versus everybody including goyim on this thread. I understand how high the anger level is, but it's making many of you say things especially about Bush, Rice and the USA (see e.g. #54 Bubbaman) that are starting to get my anger up - and I actually tried to enlist in the IDF in the Six Day War (where I first heard about dual citizenship) but it was over before our State Department and the Israeli government could figure out why a goyim, less than three years out of Vietnam, would want to fight to save Israel.
Oh and #54 Bubbaman FUCK YOU.

Both of you...Hysterical. Thanks. Love em. Needed this huge laugh.

yehoshua,
They should have at least booby trapped them, then say that the Hamanazis set them earlier to kill Jews.

#120 yehoshua

This is very sad.

thats really beautiful

A new flood is foretold and nothing can be done to prevent it; in three days, the waters will wipe out the world.

The leader of Buddhism appears on television and pleads with everyone to become a Buddhist; that way, they will at least find salvation in heaven.

The Pope goes on television with a similar message: "It is still not too late to accept Jesus," he says.

The Chief Rabbi of Israel takes a slightly different approach: "We have three days to learn how to live under water."

#139

I am again entering a column from Arutz Sheva, which has far and away the best commentary on events in Israel.

[Link: www.arutzsheva.org...]

#120 yehoshua

It had been decided that, following withdrawal, Shimon Peres (radical leftist) would have the last word on future military action in Gaza.

Say WHAT? Peres? When did this happen? He shouldn't even be in the government, let alone having anything to do with the military.

#129 - Rick Moss

Shouldn't we send copies of this article to Newsweek, with a demand it be reprinted/expanded upon in their next issue

Unfortunately, the only "demands" that Newsweek bows to are those from MoveOn.Org, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Yassir Arafat or Kofi Annan.

They aren't interested in hearing the demands of any decent people.
___

I stand corrected...

Don't feel bad. Look at what they did to the church of the nativity. Not the first time Muslim barbarians desecrated this particular site. Or other Christian sites. Or other religions' sites.

Start the eight crusade now. They have plenty of payback due, since the last one. Nuke the evil black cube.

real west: When Govnts mean BUSINESS about a subject they know how to get their point across. Most people in America didn't vote for Reps that agreed with the setting up and funding of a Palestinian TERROR State that will lie in wait to kill everysingleperson they can in Israel. But somehow, we are on the road to approving of and funding a full fledged Palistinian State. While at the same time, pretending its for Israel's own good.

I notice that when MY Country wants the world to know that they don't like something, they SAY IT. Just like a few months ago when various peoples in and out of our Govnt told the Mexican President OUTLOUD that they didn't appreciate at all, his Country's depiction of BLACKS. Tho the Mexican President pretended it didn't matter..nevertheless MEXICO got the MESSAGE ..Loud and Clear. Thats a "mean business" message coming from America.

Where is the message from America to the Pals that destroying a Shul, demeaning this Jewish Holy Place ISN'T Appreciated? Its NOWHERE, thats where. Its matter that there is NO MESSAGE..to ME. And alot of others. Obviously we aren't on the same page.

You support who you want, and Ill support who I want. I don't support the newest Arab Servant..Condi Rice. And I am going to say so whenever I please. She is an Arabist tool. Most of us knew what was bound to happen with her. And we were right.

#143 beej

Here's the whole sad story:

[Link: www.debka.com...]

dak: Why didn't anyone say anything MUCH about the Church of the Nativity? Nothing but stony faces when ALL of them there blamed it on ...Tha Jooos. Never understood that EITHER. Its not like this isn't the usual for Islam to do that to Churches. Where was the CHURCH outrage? I was outraged.

Aren't there alot of Church burnings now by the Pals? What about that? No penalty to the Pals for that either?

Why should we expect outrage?

There is no country in the world (perhaps other than Israel) that contended that Israel had a legal right to administer Gaza. The world considered it occupied territory, and the Intifada a lawful and proper liberation struggle. (The EU funded the construction of these legal positions, which prevailed before the ICJ last year.)

This ties to the obscenity of President Bush's repeated statements that the Palestinian Arabs "deserve," and are "entitled to," a state. Nations have their founding myths and creeds. The Brits look back to the Arthurian legends and the Magna Carta. For America, it's the Founding Fathers, Lincoln, the Roosevelts. For the French, Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.

Consider, from that perspective, the meaning of a Palestinian state. What will such a state represent? What will be its ideals? Its values?

Arafat always insisted that the Israelis were the terrorists; the Arabs could not possibly be terrorists because they were fighting for a just cause. Abu Mazen, at the outset of his term in office as Arafat's Prime Minister, stated that all of the Palestinians being held by Israel were "honorable heroes," and they were welcomed home as such when Israel succumbed to pressure to release them. Streets, schools, and events are named for "martyrs" in order to celebrate, and preserve the memory of, the atrocities committed by these monsters in order to advance their holy national struggle.

Every country in the world, including the US and Israel, supports the creation of a viable Palestinian state. Given what that realistically entails, why would one expect this story about a museum to ruffle any feathers? No thoughtful supporter of Palestinian statehood should be offended by this museum.

#148 Vickie

Christians in Bethlehem, for example, live in constant fear. Many have left. In Israel and environs, the Moslems have no more regard for Christians than for Jews.

#146 Vickie

Interesting point. All i can suggest is that there has been so much of this going on by so many for so long, that it just becomes part of the background noise. When the Mexicans did that, it was an unusual incident that could be isolated. There's just so much of this that it all becomes a big blur. Where do you really start if you want to make an issue of how the Arabs insult the Jews? It's so rampant it's hard to tell one incident from another.

I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm only pointing out that the situation is so deteriorated, that it's virtually impossible to grapple at this point. We need to pick a few incidents, and keep hammering at them. Maybe if that can generate some attention, the rest of it will come into focus, and the magnitude of all of this will finally dawn on some people.

I’m reading this again, and wondering where the hell is the world’s outrage about this?

I'm outraged...

#47 Bubbaman

It may be unpleasant, but it was necessary. More later, if i don't fall
asleep...

I have finally decide that the reason no one is shocked by things like this is because we EXPECT this type of behavior from these people. That really speaks volumes about the kind of cretinous scum the palestinians are. Here's hoping for an Israeli nuke.

The supposed conflict is easy to explain and understand. Everybody already knows Hamas is a bunch of scum-sucking, evil baby killers, even the liberals. OK, there are some loonies, but anybody who thinks knows it. So it is not a surprise to sane folks on the left when this happens, nor is it a surprise to those on the right. It's not news.

The only way it would be news is if the sane folks on the left believed Hamas and the rest of the terrorists were not the camel humping old-lady killers they are. Then it would be news. To some folks anyway. But it's not. The truth is, the left knows exactly what sort of creatures these are, and they do not care. They would sell their souls to Satan (if they had any) for power. They do not care how many camels these guys rape, nor any of their other numerous misdeeds. None of it matters.

And none of our misdeeds really matter to them either. Maybe some folks need to go (re)read Atlas Shrugged. It's the virtue that they wish to exploit, it's the fact that we care and want to do the right thing. That's what they attack. That's what they hate. That's why any minor action (real or not) that we would disapprove of is so widely reported, because it's news to us. Because we don't want to do that sort of thing.

I mean, if they reported all the rapes that would go unpunished (to the rapists, anyway) in the Arab world yesterday, the newspaper would be incredibly thick. Who'd read it? It's not news. But if a US Soldier was accused of raping an Iraqi woman, well that'd be front page for weeks. One behavior is expected and the norm, and one is not expected and not the norm. Not expected and not norm is news.

Shutting it down guys.
Y'all hold us up on our trip.

Lata!

#111 Ward Cleaver -
The destruction of a synagogue is a question of Rabbinics:

This distinction can also be seen in the manner in which this law is applied to the "minor sanctuary" of today, the synagogue, which has assumed the Temple's role of housing the Jew's service of his Creator. It is forbidden to demolish a synagogue, or any part thereof, even for a most positive and G-dly purpose -- unless the purpose is to rebuild or improve the synagogue itself, in which case "the demolition is itself an act of building" (Mordechai on Talmud, Megillah, section 826; Shulchan Aruch and Ramah, Orach Chaim 152; Tzemach Tzeddek Responsa, Orach Chaim, Responsa 20; Torat Chessed Responsa, Orach Chaim, Responsa 4.)

Earth2. I don't know which points we pick, (and I understand about the "background noise" business that you are talking about) but we need to pick some "lines in the sand" that America says it wont stand for. But seems to me, or I hoped, or I thought, that it would be different this time. This is sort of similar in many ways to what the climate was in the 30s and how the Democratic Country's handled Hitler and his movement then.

Heres what happened quite a bit in those times. There was alot of condemnation in homes, around dinner tables, to friends and neighbors. Alot of "isn't he horrible" and "its a shame what he is doing NOW to those Jews" blah blah blah blah..While at the same damn time, Pro German People in the US (like Arabists--but not as powerful or connected) were lobbying FOR Nazi Germany (all sorts of good reasons why Hitler was good for Germany and the West and NOT SO BAD after all..wink wink) but there were no "mean business" condemnation statements or few of them. And look what happened.

I think, just my opinion, that we cannot allow this to happen once again. Who DOESN'T know what the Pal State will turn into? Come on. Thats IF it even turns out to BE a Pal State and not a HAMAS State. E Gad. This help is helping turn the situation from bad to worse, seems to me.

I cannot allow other people to frame this issue for me. We cant. Like Sharon says, It is Survival Time. Most of us feel it now. Can I explain the change in feeling that many of us have now? No ..but I'm seeing it all around my friends and family. We just KNOW now.

Incidentally, a few years ago, some Telecommunications Business, Foreign I believe used a Gorilla pasted on Africa in their Ad. (something like that)..Well..ALL HELL broke loose and this Telecommunications Business got the message that America didn't appreciate the depiction of Gorillas pasted on the Map of Africa and they had better CHANGE IT FAST. What do you know? That business got the US Message and changed that Ad.

Will America speak out..American People will..but what about the Govnt. I MUST ask this question Earth2. No matter what.

Earth2: You are a doll to let me always explain what I say. I know it is hard for you to sometimes get what I'm saying or accept what I am saying. Its harsh, I know. Thank you for hearing me out. I also pay attention to your take on things as well.

Part of Sharon's strategery is to force the blame onto the Palis. Turning a house of worship into a splodeydope seminar hall will go a long way, in God's eyes, to confirm their unworthiness. Carried to it's Ultimate Conclusion™, we are seeing the foundations of the justification for Israel's nuking, yes nuking, the middle east.

Chance of that happening, slim. But not zero.

well, well, well

the worlds first "die-o-rama"

wall to wall
dedicated to Osama

them suicide bombers make for
one proud mama

because to be a bomber

is an Islamic honor

what I ask though, seriously
and anyone in Israel can answer me is
"is there any outrage in Israel over this" ?

pardon me but shouldn't you folks be in the streets shouting for the gov't to do something - like blow the building up so they can't use it, and the greenhouses

after all we Americans took to the streets in the 2000 election that Al Gore and the media tried to steal and Republicans have never before done such a thing but everyone sees a line that can't be crossed once in a while and I think this puke-zeum is the line that should not be crossed

The Jewish people aren't militarily helpless this time as we were in the days prior to WWII.

Israel is a regional superpower with nuclear weapons.

It's a different age and a very different situation.

Earth2: Let me add some more to this since I just read the last paragraph to your post. That it is a mess is exactly what the Arab/Islamic World wanted. They know people tend to put up their hands at a Mess. These are NOT STUPID PEOPLE. Never have been. In fact many in that World are practiced adept "players" on the World Stage and in World Affairs and have been for MILLENNIUM.

They want the US Citizen to finally say:
1. A Pox on BOTH their houses OR
2. I give up, its too confusing or too much
3. Sorry, we tried.

They depend on human nature and design strategies around it. Ive heard numerous discussions...those panels on CSpan where they themselves talk about just what I have just said. Don't even care that people hear their Strategy. Is that something? or not.

Charles there's plenty of outrage. It just doesn't show up in the media. I'm pissed off at the f*ing islamics all the time, but no one from the media ever interviews me. But fortunately there's your website, so thanks.

163 Vickie

Bingo! A malaise. When people lose their grasp of the situation, and just throw their hand up and walk away. That's where we are. And you're probably right that this is by design. These people are a lot better at PR than they are at anything else. That's the part that astonishes me, that they can't organize a trip to the bathroom, but they can play people so well. And those of us on this side are in such disarray.

Charles, you wrote:

I’m reading this again, and wondering where the hell is the world’s outrage about this? Newsweek prints a false rumor that a Koran was dunked in a toilet, and the entire planet goes nuts. Hamas announces that they’re going to turn a Jewish house of worship into a memorial to mass murder ... and the silence is absolutely deafening.

It makes total sense because I don't think all the non-Muslims who complained about the alleged Koran in the toilet really cared about desecration of religious articles. It is a case of this incident not fitting into their agenda so they just don't see it. When Newsweek breaks the story and people react, its not because they give a care one way or another about a Koran, its "Look what the Bush administration does to poor defenseless fanatics. We can use this."

Ojoe: No matter how many times I say: the American PEOPLE are outraged and no matter how many times I say last I heard the American PEOPLE didn't want a Palestinian State cause they know full well what it is BOUND to turn into..I get trashed. I know you are outraged. So am I. So take your outrage to the people you elect. Thats ALL I can say for now except..to urge your ELECTED, Officials, to start talking about the slow and steady, never ending, determined Pro Pal/ANTI ISRAEL PROGRAM that Arabists, mostly in State but in other Agencies,have managed to cram thru to American POLICY. Lets at least OPEN that discussion and open it IN CONGRESS.

No One is listening to the PEOPLE. Just like they aren't listening to the People on the Mexican/American Border Issue. Is it time to at least our ELECTED people take some charge? Can we do NOTHING? And is this Democracy? or a joke?

And if this works on these TWO issues? Whats the NEXT issue that they wont listen to us on? Thats gonna happen, WORD.

sort of a funny symmetry with the Freedom Center story

leftists on IFC: "It cannot be built anywhere else"

Terrorists on their jihad museum: "It cannot be built anywhere else."

Vickie do you think Rudy or McCain will be better for Israel than George Bush.

Evil is costumed again as a clown and its comedy is deadly and black as the soul of Satan for whom Hamas speaks mistakenly as Mohammed did. As one who escaped his own death for a bit by their hands, Rushdie knows Islamists only respect the power of the Righteous One who has humbled them with disdain for over 1000 years. Only the death of Islamism and its vile and villanous off-spring will set the world free of its curse.

Bush has 3.5 years left in his term.

We really have to focus on what is happening right now.

#167 Vickie

All good observations, but there's one element missing, and that's priority. The American people do, indeed believe those things, but it's not necesarily a high priority. That's where the change needs to happen. This has to be a high enough priority that the politicians can't do their regular change-the-subject thing.

Earth 2. Oh are they good at PR. And its because they are practiced and experienced, lots more than Israelis at "working" the World. These are old timers at this. These people have had significant Countries for Centuries upon Centuries. Add to that, tho they hate each other, they seem to be able to work together to destroy Israel and Probably the US next..(our luck THATS when they can work together)

I cant tell you how many times I heard them strategize ON TV...ON RADIO..starting in the mid 80s. Didn't even care who heard them. They were that confident..they were that arrogant. And they knew that scratch the surface..they just might find more hatred for Jews than showed. They didn't need everyone..Just the right ones in the right places. (Heck do you remember ABSCAM?) Shoot were they right.

Earth2: Yep Priority. And dont you think the Islamic World knows about that TOO. And plan for that. They arent stupid.

These people have had significant Countries for Centuries upon Centuries.

If this is about the Arab world, they absolutely did NOT have countries at all until shortly before Israel was born.

The Arabs are not nationalists - they were grouped into "countries" by the British and the French after WWI (which is why Iraq is so screwed up.)

Iraq has multiple peoples who have NO identity as Iraqis.

The Arab world is good at attacking unspecting people and lying.

The western world is good at feeling guilty and seeing relatively primitive people as "noble savages."

WE have put ourselves in this situation, not Arab genius (except for the help they got from the Soviets who were indeed clever at knowing how to damage the west.)

The Arabs have good PR because our culture (western) is designed to fall for their false claims (while not suspecting them of lying.)

We are a big part of the problem in this (letting our enemies use our freedoms and our moral compass to hurt us.)

173 Vickie

Heck do you remember ABSCAM

Yes I do. That was a rather ameturish sting, and yet they bit bigtime. I read that as greed. Anybody named Arafat Habib has to have bux, right?

ddd: Don't know. Honestly. It will take a "Truman" like behavior (whatever the motive was) to turn this around. Its sad that I have to say it. Have they won despite what the American People want? Have the Arabist Elites been able to set ME Policy in Stone? Again DON'T KNOW.

I do know this. The less influence of James Baker and HIS group...the whole lot safer for JEWS. The less influence of Grover Norquist..a whole lot safer for Jews, America, the soul of the Republican Party. Those are the people around our President NOW. And you can see the difference in Policy. I am not going to pretend I don't see what I SEE.

Earth2: Amateurish but a little window into just one of their tactics. Oh spread that money around.

And do you remember that it is termed "racist" to use the term ABSCAM? Even all those years ago, this group was able to direct our language. They weren't even in Politics here in America for the most part, but these people from a Foreign Country were able to tell us what we Americans could say and NOT say. Incredible, isn't it? Thats POWER hon.

177 Vickie

From everything that I've seen, Giulianni beats McCain,and everyone else by a huge margin as far as standing up to terrorism goes. I don't see any credible candidates who are close. Maybe he's socially liberal, but they all are. He's electable, and he's got a spine.

"Hamas To Convert Synagogue to Weapons Museum"

Sick. Sick. Sick.

Hamas'desecration of a Jewish synagogue will be REMEMBERED by myself, by Lizaroids everywhere, and by everyone with a conscience. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Earth2. Never seen anything like Giulianni after 9-11. There aren't words to describe his behavior. Valiant? Extraordinary? Beyond belief in excellence and humanNESS? But then there is the reality of Politics. I'm a bit down now..so maybe I'm wrong. Of all the people, Id be for Giulianni the most now. Then there is the personality. Gotta love it. That helps alot.

The morally bankrupt state of the world today is illustrated perfectly by this sick act. More so by the silence of condi rice et al who almost fell over in the rush to the microphone to condemn the flushing of the 'holy koran' that never in fact occurred. The lengths we in the west are going to in order to appease evil are truly stunning.

Every time I hear about some imagined 'insult to islam' I wish that it had been a real insult.

islam is the nearest thing we have had to nazism since the german nazis. It is evil, wholly evil. It openly preaches the need to kill Jews. It openly desecrates anything to do with Jews. It openly attqacks democracy and freedom. It attacks women in orderto subjugate them. It is ugly and probably beyond repair.

It is, most of all , worthy of the worst insults that good people can launch at it. Before it destroys us, we must destroy it.

#181 Vickie

According to Dick Morris, there are three people who can beat the Hildebeast. Giulianni, Condi and McCain. Not much of a contest, if you ask me.

transtherm: There you go.

Condi ran up mighty quick and sent a message from America, a mean business message..DONT DISRESPECT ISLAM. We ie America and its good Citizens are not for disrespecting Islam. Shame Shame. Dont DO that AGAIN. Its WRONG.

Burn a Shul?..Disrespect a Shul? No message..No Message IS a Message. Remember that wont you.

THIS is the real face of America Arabists who have captured our Foreign Policy.

Earth2..Please , please please. NO Hillary. I AM ALLERGIC to her..just like I am to Kerrys wife.

Cant we please wait another year to talk about her. G-d suppose she wins? Lord..I cant stand it.

Hillary just all by herself. Hillary the minute Clinton got into the WH. Hillary and SUHA.

Earth2: Since I'm an Independent and mostly Moderate or make decisions now issue by issue..some more liberal than not, some more conservative, and some in the "mushy" middle...I am comfortable with McCain and Giulianni.

If it was up to me, no Peter Principle Condi will get anywhere..But shes a Three Fer and she just might. Veep anyway.

If they put up Condi..the Dems should put up Lieberman AGAIN.

#184 Vickie

I used to think that the british FO were the most ardent arabists, but condi runs them very close.

What is wrong with the world! We have an all action re-run of the era that ended in nazism and WW2, and from the President of the USA down, no-one gets it!

We aren't fighting some arcane 'war on terror'. This expression is a euphamism for western self defense against islamofascism. The enemy is only identified after an atrocity - after the London bombings the chattering classes moved mountains to explain that the main victims were the muslims who supported this carnage in their name. As soon as some camel rooter is verbally abused in the street in leeds for being a paid up islamonazi, we have summits of nazi leaders arranged at Downing Street! PLEASE remember that the muslims are the real victims of muslim terror!

I see little evidence of such concern when Jewish boys in leeds are spat at ny islamonazis for wearing a yarmulke.

Unlike many, I do appreciate the parallels with the world before WW2. But this time I'm glad to say that the Jews have nukes, if we are threatened, everyone supporting teh islamonazis had better watch out.

Uri Dan's shilling for Sharon (again):The right leadership during dangerous times

This is a twist of the murder your parents then plead for mercy as an orphan. Sharon, in the most mild rebuke I can manage, acted as though the Likud was his tail and would follow him around without explanation or question. Now that he has destroyed the trust a leader needs in order to lead he should go home (or to jail) and let someone his party trusts lead it from here.

As for Sharon's role in "fighting terror" and our "security" thus obtained. I have to laugh. As if Yaalon was merely filling in, Arik comes and takes the credit? How does anyone claim that an organization that recently fielded 10,000 armed terrorists (yes, Hamas) is on the ropes. Whatever gains were achieved, and I doubt that any gains were achieved, they are very transient.

In 6 months time the new Netiv HaAsara will be Reut/Moda'in and Netv HaAsara will be the new Kfar Darom. Yes, we definitely need a leader for these dangerous times. Only don't give us a leader who makes the dangerous times into unliveable times.

transtherm: TO EXACTLY TRUE..All of it. A Definate Replay. Oh my G-d wont they listen? WONT THEY LISTEN?

And to get all Bigel on ya..Jews have Nukes. And if this doesn't turn around, I'm afraid someone in Israel WILL use them. If I'm upset, someone there in Israel is UPSET TOO.

And guess what. Little rumbles about how soon there will be PRESSURE on ISRAEL to give UP those Nukes. In a Pigs EYE..When Pigs FLY.

#150
I agree with most of your post, but it would be safe to say that they despise Xtians a little less than they despise Joos.

Can I make myself go to sleep already? This has been so interesting that I hate to go. Heres the first try at not posting anymore...Wanna give odds?

Again, life imitating "The Onion." Lots of luck reasoning with hatred that runs deep. All balls, no brains.

# 40 uptight

Not sure Bibi is the answer. Has he changed since 1998? Or will we be looking at another Why Why Wye? Agreement. The problem is that there's no one else with enough of a national reputation to carry it off right now.

# 41 EE

The real question is why some people thought it would be otherwise. Or did they? What did Rabin get for Oslo? Answer - nothing.

There's a great Caroline Glick article in the JPost this morning which gives some idea of what the Israeli left hoped to accomplish by expelling all the Jews from Gaza. It's not on the web site yet.

# 78 realwest

You don't have to be Jewish to get an Israeli passport. You do have to be an Israeli citizen, and it's much easier to become one if you are Jewish than if you are not. Drop me an email if you have specific questions.

Not sure Bibi is the answer. Has he changed since 1998? Or will we be looking at another Why Why Wye? Agreement. The problem is that there's no one else with enough of a national reputation to carry it off right now.

Bibi is the answer for now. A reasonable alternative to Sharon so that he can be sent home. If Feiglin were the answer (and I'm not that sure) or Landau (probably the best choice on the basis of ideology) then we'd push for them, but the key is to throw out the rot that Sharon has started. Once he is gone the we can begin to think about "healing the rift".

The damage to the Likud and the national camp can not be repaired, not for a long time. Oslo has returned and it will take a major catastrophe (like a war, G-d forbid) for a reconsideration. We are in for very hard times for awhile, but ain breira. Gotta keep going.

#190 Jakester -
Well, that's kind of like the difference between getting hit by a train or a Mac truck.

The Christians have less to lose, so they try to "make friends" - while Jews regard the whole of Israel as the Promised Land, Christians "go to heaven" - it's easier for them to be unattached other than the protection of a handful of Knights Templar buildings.

So to the Islamic, it's not a matter of level of despicability, but a function of real estate and timing.

# 106 realwest

Only if you become an Israeli citizen or "permanent resident."

# 147 yehoshua

Ouch!

# 188 Ilan Toren

Good analysis by Herb Keinon in this morning's JPost about how Sharon was 'brilliant' at the UN and totally blew it with his own party. Not online yet.

# 194 ilan toren

Agreed. Ruby Rivlin would be a good choice, but he's not a candidate and doesn't seem to have any interest in being PM. So I guess we are stuck with Bibi for now and hope for the best BE"H.

By the way, Israel's Palestinian Hebrew Daily has an op-ed by Yoel Marcus this morning that sounds like it came off of Wednesday night's argument between rasr and Vickie. I know I wouldn't want to be associated with Yoel Marcus.

I decided to avoid that discussion. I've had enough smugness and arrogance to last me awhile. You would think that opposing Sharon was some sort of "blood crime". I think we share a sense of betrayal and frankly even if we didn't you can't trust Sharon, his word his worthless. The only people within the national camp who have any allegience to him are dependent on his favors. He might think that he can buy his support, but he might miscalculate as not everyone puts their bottom line first (hard for him to imagine I suppose).

Netanyoyo might be a reasonable alternative to Sharon, but he's certainly NOT the answer.
Those who think Bibi has changed from his Wye accord/let's give the [bigoted word]s Chevron days, coveniently forget that Bibi abstained on the Road Map vote and tacitly supported Sharon's ethnic cleansing of Aza's Jews until it was too late.
Bibi is a fraud, and if elected again will be as much a disappointment and untrustable as Sharon.

Who cares about the evil Jooos I want to know if a vile infidel farted within fifty paces of a Koran.

Considering that Wye was the direct result of a committment made in the Oslo agreement, and was being demanded by the US it was not an easy situation. More troublesome was Netanyahu's tacit support for Gaza and the Road Map. The argument that he put into place reservations to the Road Map isn't convincing.

Reservations that even Israel won't stand by are worth nothing. The big difference was the extent that Sharon himself has initiated these things (Gaza, "Israel can not rule ..." , the Pal's must be give a state). He has made it easy for Bush, but as events prove Bush (through Rice) are in no mood to stand the US to support Israel's desires. Anyway, every journey starts with one step and the first step for the Likud needs to take is to repudiate what Sharon has done to the party's good name.

PS Marcus isn't and has never been a Likud supporter. Sharon is only the means to removing all Israeli presence to the '49 border. Once Sharon does the job they will find a way to indict him and remove him from office. They just want to destroy the Likud in the process

# 198 ilan toren

I bowed out of that discussion because I didn't like its tone, but I think it's amazing that on a supposed right-wing blog we can clearly identify people who agree with Yoel Marcus!

# 199 Muck DeFuslims

I share your suspicions. Tell me who else can win.

Ideologically, Uzi Landau would be a much better choice. But can he win? I don't know. I keep coming back to my Samaria-dwelling sister-in-law visiting us on Election Day in 1992 (when we weren't citizens yet and therefore weren't eligible to vote) and telling us how she was agonizing between Geula Cohen's Techiya party and Rabbi Levinger's party. Know what happened? The two of them split the 'settler' vote, neither of them made the minimum to get into the Knesset, and their votes being distributed among other parties gave Labor and the left the victory. And from that came Oslo R"L.

So as much as I distrust Bibi, I fear even more looking too hard for the candidate who fits my ideology, but who then turns out not to be electable.

If so, you may ask, why aren't I worried about the poll numbers that (allegedly) say that Likud under Sharon gets 36 seats and under Bibi it gets 14? Because I remember 1996 when Slimy Shimon called elections thinking he would capitalize on the left blaming Bibi for Rabin's assassination and the country discovering that Bibi was 'good for the Jews.'

# 201 ilan toren

I agree with your analysis (and I know Yoel Marcus is a leftist - the token right winger at Al-Ard is Israel Harel), but I think that Caroline Glick's analysis in today's JPost (STILL not on line) goes well beyond Sharon's motives (staying out of jail) for the expulsion. She argues (based on an Orit Shohat - who has a long pedigree in the LLL) that the left's goal in the expulsion was to drive a wedge between the IDF and the 'settlers' and that they failed miserably and that many soldiers have 're-awakened' to religion as a result of their experience in expelling Jews from Gaza. If her analysis is correct, then I see why G-d put the foolish idea of expelling the Jews from Gaza into our politicians' hearts.

Time to do my Friday 'sidurim' (you know what I mean!).

The Muslims have been desecrating shuls since forever. I have never felt like this before, so alienated, like the Jews are really alone in this world. I don't know what is to become of us, or of Israel, but I'm sure they'll build nice memorials for us again. Or maybe not. I can't even put into words what I sense is happening.

Muck DeFuslims (#199)

Agree with every word.

ploome and keelie, good point about the Church of Nativity. There wasn't silence then, Israel was to blame, as usual, but for some reason, the silence now worries me more.

# 202

PIMF

(based on an Orit Shohat - who has a long pedigree in the LLL)

Should read (based on an Orit Shohat - who has a long pedigree in the LLL - piece in Al-Ard)

Ilan, Carl - You guys members of the Likud? I joined about two years ago, and am really looking forward to kicking Sharon out on his rear end. People ask me if Netanyahu is better, and I say NO, but we have to focus now on making everyone see that you can't make a 180 degree turn and thumb your nose at your party and get away with it.

Even if it means losing seats in the next Knesset (although I am very skeptical about how well Sharon's virtual party would do.)

Rozi Barkei on Galei Tzahal had a phone in question, what would you call the new party that Sharon would put together? The best answer was: FASHLA (Peres, Sharon, Lapid, HaZkeinim)(for those of you who don't know FASHLA means "an embarrassing failure".)

# 205 westbankmama

Yes, I'm a member of the Likud. Got signed up through Feiglin like everyone else, but it's been about three years now, so they have no basis to keep me from voting. And yes, I can't wait to vote too.

Fashla - that's cute :-)

The ceding of the Gaza Strip by Israel, the expulsion of the entire Jewish population there, the removal of Israeli soldiers from there -- it's all history now. The question is what lessons can be learned from that.

First, it's obvious that Israeli concessions bring more Pali belligerence, not less.

Secondly, it's obvious that Israel will not gain any real credit for its concessions, not from the Palis, not from the Quartet, not from the international community.

Third, it's obvious that any promises made by the Palis, even if they are on written documents that the Palis have approved (e.g. the Oslo agreement that did not allow armed militias to run in an election, or the Road Map that the Pali Authority agreed to which called for "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure"), are worthless and will not be adhered to by the Palis. Pieces of paper are no more than pieces of paper.

Fourth, with the evaporation of the requirement for "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure", which has evaporated into a process that will "ultimately" (before the end of days) be brought back to life as a demand by the Quartet-- in other words, its disappearance -- it's obvious that requirements made by the Quartet on the Palis have a short lifetime.

These lessons need to be learned and understood, and should be an essential study before and during the time Israel considers any future concessions.

#205 westbankmama

Even if it means losing [Likud] seats in the next Knesset

Yep, good thinking. This will certainly help Likud to form a government, ... unless Shimon does it with Tommy and Yossi first, of course.

I think Israel ought to contribute to the weapons museum... if ya know what I mean.

I considered joining the Likud but I was very suspicious about how Feiglin would get treated and then I decided to vote Ichud Leumi. Many people agree that the only real way to change things is by being part of the big party. Presumably Lieberman is waiting for the right moment as well.

Somehow the right has to convince the Shasniks to rejoin also, but right now people in both the Ichud Leumi and Shas feel vindicated for not being part of the Likud. Perhaps if there were a really democratic process within the party it would encourage people to join. Anyway only members of the CC are voting so most party members are in the same situation.

Good luck on your sidur'm. I have finished the floors and the bathrooms plus one side dish, two more side dishes, the chicken and lunch to go. We will be 16 tonight as we have a family in. Plus there is a Brit Milah tomorrow on the Yishuv. Life indeed goes on.

# 210 ilan toren

You don't have to vote Likud even if you are a member of it. I suspect that many people don't (I didn't). But it does give you the right to vote in the primary.

And here's the article I told you about this morning:

Column One: Israel's disengaged establishment

thanks and Shabbat Shalom, Got to get cookin'

This thread is just about dead, but since I got here late:

I think it all comes down to things already mentioned here, but not said out loud - too many on the left have a current of paternalistic racism under everything they do. They want to "help" because obviously those they are helping are too childlike to do it themselves. Arabs can't be trusted to do important things like run a state, but are facinated by big toys like guns and bombs. So they overlook things like this because the left thinks "that's just their way...those kooky kids". Since it doesn't seem important now and it's happening "over there somewhere".

"I think Israel ought to contribute to the weapons museum... if ya know what I mean."

At least donate ammunition (one round at a time) to show support.

We should take over a bunch of mosques and convert them into houses of worship!

Hmmm ...

Israel wasn't left out: CNN

Sir, – As Frank Van Bers so succinctly wrote in "Invisible Israel" (Letters, September 8), the story about international aid being offered to the United States in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was a major story for CNN. May I reassure Mr. Van Bers and all your readers that Israel has featured in our coverage of aid being offered to the US.

On September 7, Zain Verjee specifically reported, using AP pictures, that "the Israeli government is also waiting to load hurricane relief supplies... including tents, generators, bedding,diapers."

NICK WRENN
Managing Editor
CNN Europe, Middle East & Africa
London

Aww, thanks sweetie.

Security forces kill 3 wanted gunmen in West Bank clashes

A good start.

What Allah wants, Allah gets

"What Lola wants, Lola gets" goes the old torch song; in recent years "What Allah wants, Allah gets" is more to the point over here. Faith schools, hijab in state schools, forced marriage, honor killings, polygamy, female genital mutilation performed in upmarket London clinics; not for nothing do the French sneer at us as "Londonistan."

And now what the self-appointed leaders of the Muslim community i.e. the mouthiest, pushiest of the bunch want is, apparently, an end to U.K. Holocaust Memorial Day.

This day was first marked on January 27, 2001, by our prime minister and great war leader Tony Blair, who spoke thus: "As Holocaust survivors age and become fewer in number, it becomes our duty to take up the mantle and tell each generation what happened, and what might happen again." Any sentient human being with an IQ of more than 2, you might think, could not reasonably disagree with this singularly moderate statement. (Except, perhaps, the premier's wife, Cherie Booth, who once said that she understood why Palestinian cretins felt it entirely necessary to murder innocent Israelis in order to have an orgy in heaven with 72 virgins.) That reminds me of my favorite joke of the moment, as told by the British Muslim female comedian, Sharia Mirza: "Did you hear about the Muslim virgin desperate to lose it? It wasn't really the sex she was interested in; she just didn't want to fuck a suicide bomber when she died."

Well, just when you believed this might be one declaration that human beings of all creeds and colors and belief systems might agree on, enter the mullahs. But the cream of the joke is, this time it isn't even the mullahs who have begged to differ though given the chance they probably would, with something along the lines of their attitude to the Twin Tower murderers "The Nazis were brave warriors fighting for the liberation of their brothers from the parasite Israel. Oh, hang about, it didn't exist then! Oh well, you know them Jews, anyway!" No, the main man behind the objections to Holocaust Day is the "ultra-moderate" Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Knight of the British Realm, member of the Muslim Council of Great Britain and chief adviser to Mr Blair on all things Islamic.

I don't want to see Europe turn into the Islamic Union, but should it happen, they deserve it for being so squeamish and weak.

Nazi-hunter Wiesenthal laid to rest in Herzliya

In 1941, after Operation Barbarossa and the Nazi invasion of the U.S.S.R., the Nazis took over Lvov, and Wiesenthal escaped execution with the help of a friend. However, he was caught and held in a concentration camp near Lvov, and then was sent to different work camps. On May 5, 1945, he was liberated from Matthausen in Austria weighing only 45 kilograms. His wife also survived the Holocaust.

The Gaza disengagement was like a biopsy.

I don't mean simply because there was a surgical removal of the Gaza Strip from Israel -- from Israel's population, from Israel's military, and from any future territorial claims that Israel will have.

The Gaza disengagement was like a biopsy because although it did some damage, and although it was painful, it will provide some vitally important information.

There is an abundance of lies about what a Pali state will be, and what its relation to Israel will be. For example, just before the surgery of Gaza took place an editorial in The New York Times foresaw this as the dawn of peace. Peace? What a lie.

A Pali state is going to be a jihadi terrorist irredentist entity that wages unending war and preparation for war against Israel. There will be only two phases concerning the relation between the Pali state and Israel: a phase of war, or a phase of preparing for war.

A Pali state is going to be a base for jihadi terrorism.

What happens in the Gaza Strip -- or Gazastan -- will show everybody what a Pali state is going to be.

It is true that about 10,000 Jews were displaced from their homes, their farms, and their communities. That was the pain. That was the damage of this biopsy.

But the Euros, and the majority of the Quartet, have their eyes on expelling a half million Jews, a much larger prize for their plans. They want to expel the quarter of a million Jews living in Judea and Samaria, and also they want to expel the quarter of a million Jews living in Jerusalem past the 1949 Armistice Line.

That is why the recent statement by the Quartet objected to Israel's having a security fence anywhere beyond the 1949 Armistice Line. That is why the recent statement by the Quartet, while it is happy to allow unlimited population growth of the Arabs, wants to have a zero population growth cap on Jewish population growth, in any contested areas. If they were neutral, they would want the same per cent growth cap on the Arabs as on the Jews. But their growth cap on the Jews is 0% per year, while their growth cap on the Arabs is -- infinite; there is no growth cap at all. That means that they want the demographic bomb to eliminate the Jewish communities beyond the 1949 Armistice Line.

The Gaza disengagement, like a biopsy, will provide information. It will be useful in seeking to dispel lies. It will reveal the horrible nature of a Pali state -- jihadi terrorist and irredentist.

And having the truth revealed will be better for Israel than allowing the darkness to confuse everyone. "Land for peace" is a lie. The truth is "Land for war".

What happens in the Gaza Strip -- or Gazastan -- will show everybody what a Pali state is going to be.

And having the truth revealed will be better for Israel than allowing the darkness to confuse everyone.

EE, what difference will it make? The Precious Palestinians can do no wrong. They have been behaving like savages for decades and still most of the world supports them. Being Palestinian means never having to say you're sorry. Nobody cares how badly they behave, how blatant they are in their hatred and mass-murdering ways, how barbaric their acts. It really doesn't change a thing. Hamas should be included in PA elections, doncha know? It's all bullshit, nothing is going to change. If anything, things are getting worse. The more insane they are, the more passive the world is in response (or lack thereof.)

EE,

You're analysis would be correct, had you written it 35 years ago.

To carry on with your ridiculous 'biopsy' metaphor, one deoesn't need to perform a biopsy that threatens the life of the patient when the diagnosis is already know from 27 prior biopsies.

And we don't perfom bioppsies to 'prove' a diagnosis to third parties who have no intention of telling us that the cancer we know is there is anything but the sniffles . . .

#EE I like the anlysis but the strategic picture looks something like this.

The Pals have Gaza and don't seem to be able to govern. Israel will probably refrain from major military action to be able to say to the US, we waited and waited but no one showed up to goven.

The PA will not hold elections that will turn themselves out of office. The planned elections will be delayed or cancelled outright.

I think for the short term what you see is what you get and no amount of Europressure is going to move Israel. In all likelihood, Israel will be going through its own elections. For those Likudniks who think dumping Sharon, the most popular politician in Israel and the victor over Arafat and his war on terror, Likud is making a pivotal mistake. Disengagement is over, if Likud wants to see some real painful withdrawls, it should focus on the real and only issue: Palestinian governance.

Right now Israel needs unity to do what it has do about Iran. The EU balked again, the US is busy. It is time for Israel to become the first country in history to destroy two enemy nuclear programs.

The goal is survival. Israel wins by living.

Finally the Hamas museum is their soul laid bare. Let any leftist who thinks making concessions explain this as anything other than a desire for genocide.

Right now Israel needs unity to do what it has do about Iran. The EU balked again, the US is busy. It is time for Israel to become the first country in history to destroy two enemy nuclear programs.

Israel can't (and shouldn't have to) do this one alone, Ayatollah.

The goal is survival. Israel wins by living.

That's the sad part of it. That after all these years and all her successes, great powers (and I include the US), have seen to it that 'victory' for ISrael is defined merely by survival, by living. This is ghetto/shtetl living, on a national scale. This is where, and why, a paradign shift is needed.

Finally the Hamas museum is their soul laid bare. Let any leftist who thinks making concessions explain this as anything other than a desire for genocide.

Was this needed? Did not the exectuion of four female children strapped to theri car seats before the eyes of her mother, or the disemboweling of two Israelis within a palestinian police station, or the soccer played with the heads of Isaeli soldiers in rafah make this clear?

The continuous 'NOW the world will see what the palestinians are really are about' statements people make are desperate, futile prayers that logic and justice will triumph over reality and experience.

Well I guess we know why so many Jews were murdered in the holocaust. Number 5,999,999 was merely a test for number 6,000,000...

The word test implies confirmation. Does the world need to confirm it's suspicions that the Arabs tend towards brutality? Right... so who's next?

Israel, Quartet disagree on Hamas role

The palestinians already have half their state, and it seems they are free to do what they want within it.

IN a few more years, they will have similar independence on a large contiguous area of the west bank, and they will also have some sort of land link between the two.

In other words, the 'two state' solution moves forward, regrdless fo whether palestinians comply with the the need to disarm terrorists, end incitement, or give up on therir demands for 'right of return' and so on.

At the end of this exercise in bullying ISrael, we will have a shrunken ISrael without strategic geographic depth, AND an irredentist palestinian stae that has persistent 'legitimate' (in the yes of the world) grievances against what is left of Israel.

In other words, the same pressures against destroying enemies bent on her destruction will hamper ISraeli efforts in the future.

This is a death spiral. She will pull out of it, at some point, but at what cost?

Oh, and if anyone knows by what moral or legal authority the 'quartet' is empowered to demand Israel participate in her own destruction, please illuminate me.

What more can you say.

‘Hindu girl marries her abductor, embraces Islam’

ISLAMABAD: A Hindu girl who was abducted in Jacobabad has married one of her four abductors and embraced Islam, Minister of State for Interior Wasim Shahzad said on Thursday.

Speaking in the National Assembly he said the girl was abducted on September 14 and a case was registered the same day. "Two of the four abductors were arrested," he said in response to a Calling Attention Notice.

The minister said she gave a statement in the court that she has married one of the accused and embraced Islam at Dargah Amrit Sharif. "In light of her statement the court dismissed the case," Wasim added.

Gayan Chand Singh, however, said her kidnapping falls in the category of rape and a case should be registered against the abductors. "It is a very sensitive issue which brings a bad name to the country," Gayan Chand said.

The minister maintained that the case was registered on the same date when the girl was abducted. "Everything is clear now after her statement in the court," Wasim said.

Minority member Krishan Bheel said many Hindu men are also being kidnapped for ransom in Sindh. "These incidents are taking place to force the Hindus to leave Pakistan where they have been living for the past five thousand years," he said.

Another minority member Ramesh Lal claimed that the girl is only 17 years old and she is not an adult. "According to Hindu laws a girl cannot marry till she is 20," he said. Gyan Chand said in view of the nature of the issue a house committee should be formed to sort out such matters. The Calling Attention Notice was moved by Ramesh Lal, Gayan Chand Singh, Kunwar Khalid Yunus, Raja Pervez Ashraf and Abdul Rauf Mengal.

[Link: jang.com.pk...]

The 'quartet's' demands of ISael are strikingly similar to the demands of the great powers to czechoslovakia to yield the sudetenland to germany.

Feeding the crocodile.

Sharon had it right, early on in his prime ministership, when he said 'Israel will not be another czechoslovakia'.

He was wrong in his prediction, however.

A Sharon-Peres-Lapid party?

Fashla -- right.

And for a subtitle

The Rub-a-dub-dub Party:
Three men in a tub -- the butcher (Sharon).
the faker (Peres), and the candlestick- breaker (Lapid)

I'm reading this again, and wondering where the hell is the world’s outrage about this? (emphasis mine - YYZ). Newsweek prints a false rumor that a Koran was dunked in a toilet, and the entire planet goes nuts. Hamas announces that they’re going to turn a Jewish house of worship into a memorial to mass murder ... and the silence is absolutely deafening.

Idolatry - an almost blind and fanatical one from the guilty white elites - for the destruction of Israel and the rise of a fascist Palestinian terror state might be a good start. Fear might be another, since going after the Palis might result in "retribution" (read - Hamas et al coming stateside and doing the same as they do to Israelis, like suicide bombing).

Perhaps the AP and AFP and others are way too busy blaming Bush to notice, but I would not want to be the reporter or journalist who finally got fed up with all the bias and said, "You know what, my editors and colleagues worship these criminals and their dogma on par with famous movie stars...and I'm going to expose the evil and corruption...and I would rather lose my job than sit here and take another moment of it."

230 Yankee Yankee Zulu

Are you in Toronto?

#188 Ilan Toren

This is a twist of the murder your parents then plead for mercy as an orphan. Sharon, in the most mild rebuke I can manage, acted as though the Likud was his tail and would follow him around without explanation or question. Now that he has destroyed the trust a leader needs in order to lead he should go home (or to jail) and let someone his party trusts lead it from here.

Sharon should form another party if the Likud rejects him.

Sharon has national support (far more than anything the Likud could drum up without him.)

If they want to try their luck on a national level without Sharon - let them try it.

It leaves Sharon free to do whatever he wants to do, too.

The Likud is intent on kicking themselves out of power with 18 months left of rule left Israel. Sharon isn't obligated to go out with them.

Correction:

The Likud is intent on kicking themselves out of power with 18 months left of rule in Israel. Sharon isn't obligated to go out with them.

It astonishes me somewhat that the Likud party despises Sharon and wants to throw him out while demanding his loyalty and cooperation to do this to him.

If they throw him out - Sharon should just tell them to buzz off.

Likud can't get huge national support right now.

They're committing political suicide.

In the book of Isaiah, the message is:

They shall beat their swords into plow shares, and their spears into pruning-hooks.

In the actions of Islamic Terrorists, we have the reverse, as they blaspheme a religious temple to worship their own evil ways.

Well, creating a museum that contains the kinds of rockets and other homemade weapons may backfire on these guys (and frontfire, too.)

Seven Hamas people (including a top commander) died in an explosion today at a rally showing off their weapons.

A large explosion went off at a Hamas rally in Gaza City on Friday, killing at least seven Palestinians and wounding 56. Palestinian sources reported that among the dead was senior Hamas leader Ahmed Randur...

Witnesses pulled body parts out of a vehicle that appeared to have been destroyed by the blast. A large plume of white smoke rose over the large crowd.

During the rally, Hamas paraded with homemade weapons and explosives. Thousands of Palestinians at the rally, sponsored by the Hamas militant group and attended by some of its top commanders, stormed into the streets of the camp, shouting and carrying the wounded.

At least 7 killed in Hamas rally explosion in Gaza

ME's Michael: Nope...Boston. Everyone asks me that - the nic is named after the Rush instrumental of the same name; Yankee Yankee Zulu is the military/phoentic spelling.

Besides, I'm beginning to like Maine (formerly part of MA until 1820) more and more each day...Portland has become a great getaway, especially easy to reach from Boston by train or bus.

#235 Guy_Philly

In the actions of Islamic Terrorists, we have the reverse, as they blaspheme a religious temple to worship their own evil ways.

Interesting perspective. Maybe "museum" is the wrong word. What they have in fact done is convert a house of worship to a different house of worship. Worship of a marshall, malevolent diety which raises violence to the level of a sacrement. When you look at it that way it makes perfect sense.

CHARLES.

Serious LOVE for your UPDATE comments. THANK YOU.

However there is something you have to understand... WE'RE/THEY'RE JEWS...

Crap... WE JEWS don't get more angry about these disgusting insults...then maybe a terse comment on LGF or among ourselves... WE ourselves forgot the concept of rightous Anger... WE JEWS don't believe in our rights or else WE JEWS would be seriously OUTRAGED!

Similar to what you said... if someone were to spit in the direction of a mosque the Muslims would riot, demand UN resolutions & threaten war, & the world would support them.

HOWEVER.. when it comes to Jews you can take out holy of holies, destroy it, put a mosque on it, not allow Jews to even visit it, bomb our holiest of cities, remove us for our Temple, tell us we have no right to even live in Peace in Jerusalem OUR HOLIEST of HOLY SITES... & NOTHING.

no anger, no demands for justice, no insistance in our rights, NOTHING!

Until JEWS begin to get righoutously FURIOUS over our Humiliation & mistreatment... WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE?

"if I am not for myself who will be for me"

///

Maybe Jews rely too much on G-d. Maybe Jews have forgotten that it was MAN who were the macabees, it were man that removed the Cannanites from our land, it were man that won 48, 67, etc., & that although we had a lot of help from G-d to take us out of Egypt it was MOSES- a MAN/HUMAN - that G-d relied apon to led the Jewish People out of mizraim.

FOR OUR SAKE JEWS ... ACT! The time has come!

Jews must finally say that "it is because of my belief in G-d that I ACT, not in spite of it"

Dang I can't type: PIMF

#232 rightasrain--

What will Sharon's platform be?

"I will do as I please and pay no heed to the platform upon which I was elected or the positions of the new party which I am about to form?"

"I will do whatever it takes to advance my agenda of the moment, including striking alliances with parties whose platforms the voters have decisively rejected?"

That ought to win in a landslide, eh?

#241 Ben F

Sharon has had widespread support among Israelis for his disengagement plan overall.

He'll be able to stand up as a guy who saw the right thing to do for the nation of Israel and did it (in spite of all the nastiness coming from his own party.)

239 WRATHOFG-D

Good post.

And we are surprised by this because . . . ?