The biggest crowd seemed to be at the free concert? Why does that not surprise me...

I came to the free concert and all I got was this lousy protest.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAA

a missed opportunity there.
We had ALL of them in one place.
Paintball practice would've been so much fun.

Misfits.
At least this keeps them off the streets.
No, wait...

Does anybody have any idea what the diameter of that circle is? I'm going to guess about 800 ft. The entire crowd looks like it could fit just about in half of it, and in a crowd, you're going to have about 10 square feet per person (anyone have a better number to use?), so the circle will be pi x 400² = 500,000 SF, half would be 250,000 SF, so the crowd would be about 25,000.

Anybody with better numbers?

The Koskids are bemoaning the fact that they have hitched their trailer to ANSWER.

Actually, many of them have posted links against ANSWER that are as effective as some I have seen us post.
Pretty weird that we and some of them would aggree on something like that.

Should have bombarded them with Oxy Clean.

Hey, at least it got the local loons out of town for a weekend...

I wonder how many were there just to sell Grateful Dead stuff.

re: my #1 above

Actually, Sugar Mountain by Mike Adams is why I'm not surprised that the free concert seemed to be the place to be (as an aside, I've skied Sugar Mountain myself...)

"Make levees not war"? WTF?

Surfed through CNN a while ago, and that hour's meat puppet said something about "tens of thousands".

Well, seems she may have had the "tens" part right - not sure about the rest of it ...

Police have estimated the crowd at 10,000.

Can you imagine the stink of all those unwashed hippies gathering in one spot?

There were more speakers then protesters...

In the end, the protesters were protesting against any more speakers...

My favorite part was when the South African crazy woman starting ranting about Israel being in Palestine and freeing the Palestinians and large portions of the crowd just turned and left...she's lucky because in the old days, someone would have thrown a rotten tomato at her stupidity and bigotry...

These people don't understand staying forcused on any one thing...they overreach...

And over reaching will be the end of them all...

Maybe if we get all of them together, they can all shower.

#14 solomonpanting

Is that 10,000 the crowd in the mall, or the total crowd? I could believe that it splits 15,000/10,000 based on my estimate, but it could be something like a 6000/4000 split, if their number is overall. Police estimates are definately better than the numbers I pulled out of thin air.

I made myself watch a little on C-span.
The rhetoric was appalling /uber-leftist/openly-communist and silly.

and the crowd was sparse.

Did you see the mess they left behind?
No one thought to bring some trash cans.

DC Park Police were heard to say crowd was somewhere between 8-10K at "surge." They generally have a pretty good handle on those numbers.

OT: Showtime! Go Blue!

#11 christheprofessor 9/24/2005 02:57PM PDT
re: my #1 above

Actually, Sugar Mountain by Mike Adams is why I'm not surprised that the free concert seemed to be the place to be (as an aside, I've skied Sugar Mountain myself...)

I've been drunk at Sugar Mountain..Beech Mountain, too.

/ 'til Ed returns.

#18 Earth2moonbat

I apologize. That 10,000 figure was for London. I'm still searching for a Washington count.

#16 yesandno
Was this shown on C-Span? I would love to see this because there a lot of people who are against the war but don't adhere to anti-Israeli views.
One of my friends wanted to go to an anti-war rally when the war started but changed his mind after I explained to him who was behind the rallies like ANSWER, radical Muslim groups.
He asked me what Israel had to with the anti-war protests and I replied that these lunatics believe Israel is behind everything.

more people posted in the protest thread than actually showed up in dc...

ha..

#23 BigNJames

I've skied both and had a few beverages at both... I own some land up there with a view of Beech.

#10 poteen

I wonder how many were there just to sell Grateful Dead stuff.

Very few, I'd guess. We Deadheads prefer to purchase our merchadise directly from the copyright holder. Grateful Dead Productions has a nice online store. No need to give a cut to skeevy middlemen.

Washington Police Chief Charles Ramsey said Saturday that the rally "probably" reached its goal of 100,000 protesters.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#27 christheprofessor 9/24/2005 03:08PM PDT

You're in E.NC, correct?

Earth2: Maybe the PEOPLE should know the exact measurements and how where to get the Govnt pictures of these "Demonstrations" and the methods the Govnt uses to "estimate" the size of the crowd. These Demonstrations can "make or change Important Policy".

Theres been a long enough time for every side to play the "Demonstration Game". (See? All of us are Beltway now..lolol and need to be). The People need to check on these "games"..know what I mean?

And then do something about the acutal number reported being "deemed" as Significant. Thats a bitch..

BigN

Yup...

#25 Haiku

Yes...the idiot was on C-Span...she kept ranting and they would pan the crowd taking large steps backward...

Think that was the only time I felt some positive feeling towards the crowd...would be nice to think that one would not stand there and accept what she was yelling as truth...what a fool...what a bigot...

The #1 recomended diary at Kos...
I'm On the Verge of Saying Screw the Anti-War Rally

Watching clips of the Answer Anti-War Rally, all I see are things that I want nothing to do with. I am a staunch supporter of Israel, and its fundamental right to exist. I bet you that the majority of Americans who are against the war are too. Yet I watch this rally and see people basically supporting the Hamas, etc., and the suicide killings of innocent Israelis in cafes, on buses, etc.

The comments should be interesting.

#32 christheprofessor 9/24/2005 03:12PM PDT

Washington? Greenville?

Should have airlifted an emergency supply of deodorant to this event.

For those of you who missed the rally, I'll summarize:

(1) End the occupation of Iraq;

(2) End the occupation of Palestine;

(3) End the occupation of the Phillipines;

(4) End the occupation of New Orleans; and

(5) Muslims are against war.

#6, Earth2moonbat

Does anybody have any idea what the diameter of that circle is? I'm going to guess about 800 ft. The entire crowd looks like it could fit just about in half of it, and in a crowd, you're going to have about 10 square feet per person (anyone have a better number to use?), so the circle will be pi x 4002 = 500,000 SF, half would be 250,000 SF, so the crowd would be about 25,000.

Anybody with better numbers?

I tried to do the calculation back in the original protest thread:

From Google Maps' satellite photo, I estimated the dimensions of the Ellipse as 1000' x 850', so the area of the Ellipse would be π * 500 * 425 or 667,588 square feet.

Taking it as half full (even counting the overflow onto Constitution Ave.) I'd calculate at most 57K, quite a lot less than ANSWER's pre-event publicity of 250,000.

Investors Business Daily reminds readers of the source of the "peace" march...

Bad Company

You ALL: Its a NOTHING. There wasn't any big deal about it in DC. Not disrupted..No huge Press Conferences about who was arrested prematurely and who didn't get a permit..You hear all THAT when the DC Police and Govnt feel a large crowd is about to show up. It isn't a large crowd..but thennn..this is just the beginning of HER Movement or this is just the start of the New ..(have to use these words) ANTIWAR MOVEMENT.

If there were 100,000 people there you would be seeing the images all over the place.

Was Peter, Paul,and Mary there? Just askin.

#29 solomonpanting

100,000 doesn't seem possible even if you're very generous with the measurements of the elipse and the area per person. I think he doesn't want to stir up controversy or possibly get sued.

#28
[Link: WWW<...]>

It was probably all Chinese Comm. knockoffs. They couldn't possibly support any dirty capitalist(properly licensed )venture.

#37 Abu Maven

You forgot:
"End the Occupation of Haiti"

7 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Pretty weird that we and some of them would aggree on something like that.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. Does this mean there is hope for the Kos Kids having an epiphany soon?
I can't believe they are so naive as to not know ANSWER is behind a lot of the crap they believe.

You all: Who actually SAID that they would have 250? Thats important. Did they say it themselves, or did people outside the "march" say it?

#35 BignJames

Check your e-mail, subject line "ctp at home"...

Michelle Malkin has some pictures. A DAY AMONG THE MOONBATS

Wow, from Daily Kos, no less:

Israel / Palestine conflict an excuse for, not ...

a cause of, political Islam, which should be THE unifying issue, not just in the US, but in the UK and the rest of the West, but Bush and Blair have so far proved to be cowards in dealing with political Islam.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I'll be damned. Hats off to you.

I watched part of the book thing on C-SPAN ( some guy named Roberts). The guy had some plain good stuff to say about family and stuff. During the Q&A some guy foaming at the mouth started ranting about Israel and everyone booed the guy. Roberts said the conversation wasn't about that. People were relieved when Foamie was gone.

Seemed like a few moonbats were in the audience, but mostly just ordinary people listening to some writer most of them were familiar with.

38 Dar ul Harb

The key unknown is what is a good area per person to use. The police have to have a number they use. I pulled 10 SF out of thin air, but if you were standing in a grid of 10 SF (3.16 ft/side), you would be pretty cozy with your neighbor. What did you use?

I spent about an hour with that Yahoo photo of the crowd, and I come up with 26,400 people. I did it by first estimating the size of a person in pixels (just over 1 pixel per person), then making the assumption that in the densest parts, it was one pixel per person; then I measured the total area (in square pixels) of the parts of the photo that had people in them.

My guess is that the above number is high; much of the crowd was quite a bit less dense than it was up front, so I'm calling it 20,000.

Pretty pathetic, really, considering how much hype this Million Moron March was hyped.

Asshole Phil Donahue said there would be 100,000 Moonbats.

CCCPNN says tens of thousands, another generous count comes in at 10,000. Maybe CNN just meant TEN of thousands.

Regardless, it could be ten million and they'd still be wrong, wrong, wrong.

(And even I've been drunk on Beech mountain and I have barely been drunk anywhere)

I just came back from today's moonbatathon ... Nowhere near 100,000 ... probably half that or less ... had an absolute blast with the Protest Warrior and other pro-troop folks.

Both of "yous" will probably end up rather close to the number. Keep working.

More I think of it, the more it is important for the People to know how to do this.

These gatherings..can change or make policy..And that aint no small thing.

51 Delilama,

Yeah, I caught part of that, too. Roberts, who I think is the husband of Cokie Roberts, is an Polish Jew. His book was about discovering his roots in Poland.

Another moonbat asked him if the war was all about oil. He said he was no expert, and that oil was certainly a part of the calculus, but certainly not the whole story and that he thought it best to avoid conspiracy theories.

#52,

I was even more conservative and only gave the moonbats standing room only, about 6 sq. ft.

Your 10 sq. ft estimate is probably pretty good too, which would make it closer to 33K.

#34 Good God! YOu know I think I may have just found some respect for the KOS kids. The comments coming out of there are very heartening to me. To think that someone could talk about hating the "Israel out of Palistine" screed and not get shouted down/kicked out by the majority of the other posters is very surprising. Something tells me though that this type of talk wouldn't fly on some other day...most of the moonbats are to busy "protesting" with paper mache to be shouting down someone with an ounce of reason on the liberal blogs.

Abortion/Women's Health Protest - April 26, 2004

Estimated crowd - 250,000 to 500,000

For comparison purposes.

Somebody at Kos has to recite the party line.

The "state" of Israel exists due to the British betrayal of the Palestinians way back post WWII. Israelis were the first to employ terror tactics against the British. Moshe Dayan admitted as much, as well as manufactuing the pretext for the seven day war.

Of course. It doesn't have anything to do with the Jewish National Fund purchasing land, and settlers working hard to make the land productive. Everybody has a right to draw borders and set up a dictatorship, doncha know.

60 blackbeard,

Same here. Check out my comments at 50.

J: There has to be a big PRO March. Counter marches always look less impressive don't you think? It great people showed up..but now have to really get Organized for a new PRO March on Washington.

It sounds like three independent estimates have it braketed between 20,000 and 60,000. With the middle one at 25,000, so its probably closer to 20 than 60. Let's say 20-30,000. Semi-unofficial LGF estimate™.

"what if i held a protest and nobody came?"

"shades of vietnam era protests" -- yeah, in rochester, ny or burlington, vt perhaps, but not the ones in dc! despite the major networks doing a stellar job marketing this assinine exercise in bush-loathing, america has spoken, loud and clear: no...one...cares. now please, go away, once & for all.

#7 Village Idiot's Apprentice
You're right. Here's another one...
I have problems with ANSWER

If we the left, at large, means to assume power in this country, I don't think the A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition will get us very far. They are not repellant to the tens of thousands that attend their events, like the one today in Washington, and they know how to plan an event, but their message and their leadership is not on point.

The one certainty of the left is that they will spare no opportunity to embarass themselves. You'd think they would realize that Sheehan and ANSWER are kooks BEFORE the rally instead of after.

Anti-War Protesters March in Washington

The surging crowd, shouting "Bush out now" and "Peace now," marched in front of the White House and then to the Washington Monument in an 11-hour marathon of dissent.

Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that."

There were nowhere near 100,000 moonbats there. 11-hour marathon?

/WTF, how do they get away with reporting crap like this as the truth?

It was in the 70°s in D.C. today, so maybe they would stand closer together than if it was hotter weather.

Moronfests are always a target rich captioning environment. I already have a week's worth of raw material.

Gotta admire Lefty Malone from Kos

Kos is getting more and more distanced from anything approaching rational discussion and planning of effective political action.

And all the we are so important twenty somethings ego-tripping on the rally are precisely the demographic that seldom votes in national elections, and never, to all intents and purposes, votes in local and state elections.

The place is ate up with what are we doing hanging with ANSWER type questions.

Gotta love it

The same people (MSM) said thousands were at the 9/11 march.
Police estimate was 13 - 15,000. They just could not get themselves to print more than 10,000 showed up.

#50 Abu Maven
Ha! We bumped heads on the way to that one. (#34). It is truly remarkable that they are starrting to recognise how silly they seem to the rest of the world.

Let's say 20-30,000. Semi-unofficial LGF estimate™.

In another words, fewer than the number of people who show up at Shea Stadium for a NY Mets - Washington Nationals game in late September, with both teams out of contention.

I want my own sign:

Kofi Lied! Millions Died!

The real news story of today (that MSM is working hard NOT to report) is that the crowds that attended the "Anti-War March in DC" were significantly less than promissed by the event organizers, i.e. ANSWER - the hard core communist organisation pretending to be whatever suits the occasion - anti-war in this instance. Another story of today is that vast majority of the attendees of this "anti-war" event are anything but peace-lovers.

Ramsey is lying his head off.

34 Killgore Trout

Highly interesting.

I am pleased that some Kossites have ANSWER'S number. Of course, that number has been ringing loud and clear for years, but still - I'm pleased. Nothing good can come of hopping into bed with a bunch of commies.

/wondering - was it the foot massages that seduced Cindy to the commies?

#77 Vickie

What do you know about Ramsey? In bed with the LLLs?

jeff goldstein rapes language. how far backward does one have to bend to convey a simple idea in so complicated a way to seemingly make it sound more thoughtful?

wondering - was it the foot massages that seduced Cindy to the commies?

I have a hard time believing Cindy has a clue about anything except her own ego.

A word about the placement of the pictures on Yahoo.
Why catagorize the pics of the moonbats under the military?
Surely it should be under politics or freakish news of the week or whatever.
If you flip throught the pics there are one or two pics of moonies and then pics of soldiers fighting, then more moonies...
Yahoo, put the pics under a different catagory

Hey Trout (# 34),

You think that pro-Israel Kos poster ever heard of Cindy Sheehan?

#78 Cattt

It's going to be interesting to see how the chips fall over at Kos. Much like the situation in Gaza I think there'll be civil war. Unfortunately, crazies have the upper hand in both situations. I chalk it up to "retard strength".

Kerr: Washington Post-- "in the LARGEST anti-war protest in the nation's capital since the U.S. invasion."

There ya go..its the LARGEST..since and it was in THE NATIONS CAPITAL. So whatever the number showed up, it is indeed Significant. Keep that MO going.

Ramsey Clark

Former U.S. Attorney General
* Acted as counsel for North Vietnamese Communists and Iran's Islamic dictatorship
* Founder of International Action Center, which is staffed by members of the Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist vanguard. Works closely with the WWP

The life and career of Ramsey Clark has been marked by the former Attorney General's inseparable relationship with the anti-war movement. Over the decades, Clark has consistently condemned American foreign policy and its related military campaigns, from the Vietnam War, to the Iraq War, to the broader War on Terror. Conversely, he has backed groups, nations, and individuals with anti-American and even terroristic agendas. Among the notable recipients of Clark's support are the following: anti-war protestor Philip Berrigan, who fire-bombed a military recruitment office in 1968; Libya's Moammar Qadaffi; the Palestine Liberation Organization; Yugoslavia's Slobodan Milosevic; the Communist-driven Workers World Party (WWP); the 1993 World Trade Center bombing conspirator Sheik Rahman; and Saddam Hussein.

In the 1960's, Clark climbed the career ladder rungs of a Presidential appointee, serving as Assistant Attorney General of the United States until 1965, Deputy Attorney General until 1967, and finally Attorney General until 1969. Throughout his tenure as Attorney General, Clark focused on social issues and civil rights. He set up the first federal narcotics addict treatment unit. He restructured federal prisons to stress the importance of rehabilitation, early release, education, and job training. He oversaw the first federal gun-control law to be enacted in over thirty years. He proposed the prohibition of the use of wiretapping and electronic surveillance in criminal investigations. And he was the first Attorney General to call for the elimination of the death penalty.

Upon his departure from the position of Attorney General, Clark began a career as a defense lawyer, representing and counseling individuals and groups he deemed to be victims of political repression and human rights violations. More recently, Clark's anti-war views led him to create the International Action Center (IAC), whose creed reads, "Information, Activism, and Resistance to U.S. Militarism, War, and Corporate Greed." The IAC serves as an umbrella foundation for a host of anti-war radical groups, and is likewise staffed by members who share a dual responsibility for the Marxist-Leninist WWP. Clark also founded Vote to Impeach, which seeks the impeachment of President Bush for what it calls "Presidential abuse of power."

Clark's sympathy for anti-American terrorist groups and nations has led him to support Saddam Hussein during both Gulf War conflicts. He has asserted that he does not believe Saddam Hussein to be a brutal tyrant, but instead assigns that label to President Bush, and to America as a whole. In an open letter to President Bush in 2003, Clark stated, "A huge, all powerful nation has assaulted a small prostrate, defenseless people half way around the world with 'Shock and Awe' terror." Clark sought to legally counsel the ousted Iraqi dictator, accused of 30 years of war crimes, after his December 2003 capture by U.S.-led military forces in Iraq.

On the subject of religion, Clark recently stated, "The greatest moral force there by far is Islam. . . . The Christian Church[es] overwhelmingly . . . choose to call Mohammed a terrorist. They could call Jesus a terrorist too."

CNN has noodniks

#47 Vickie:

'They' bragged on their Petition website they had 600,000 signatures coming though I only saw 37,000+. 'They' say lots of things but if all that showed up for that 'Peace Demonstration' is this crowd at the ellipse:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

then I'm not too bothered. I'm keeping that photograph to prove to anyone who says there was a 'HUGE' crowd there that THAT'S how many they did have. I could put that many in my backyard!

If you flip throught the pics there are one or two pics of moonies and then pics of soldiers fighting, then more moonies...

Could it be the military made the aerial photos of the protest? There are flight restrictions for DC for other aircraft.

#43 Earth2moonbat

On what grounds could the police chief be sued for an incorrect crowd estimate?

Protest Babes For The Good Guys! (Compare and contrast.)

I'll say it again, if there were anywhere near 100,000 moonbats at today's "alternate universe rally/march", I'll eat my cats!

/hear they taste like chicken, that's cats, not moonbats

LOL! Not so fast, hand-wringers:

Multiple events on the mall this weekend! World Bank, IMF, Segways and Book Festivals!

Well Earth2: What can I say? Washington DC is African American Central..Its the Capital of Black America. And if Ramsey goes too far off the mark...well he can be in big trouble, so can any of his family members down the line. (trouble as being accepted in your own community) Its more than just, Is he a Dem or a LLL or what party he actually belongs to...Want it straight? Well there it is.

Far as I know hes been rather closed mouth on which exact Party he belongs to. There is Political Life after being Chief of Police tho. Specially Ramsey or Ramsey's kids or relatives. So they take "realities" into consideration all the time.

#90 solomonpanting

Someone mentioned that Farrahkan sued the WaPo over that. I don't know if he got anywhere, but they will claim damage to their reputation, etc. Even a nusiance suit is a suit, and it has political ramifications.

93 Ann

Yeah, when I tuned in to CSPAN, it was the book festival tents and crowd I saw. I then proceeded to get hooked by author interviews of history book writers like David McCullough (1776).

"I see your (click for visual) shing through."

fd: So THEY said 600K. Well...well..well. Nail on it then.

L: We ought to "teach" our friends the word: NOODNIK. Its a cute word. They know the word "tush" now. lolol Some words are just cute.

#95 Earth2moonbat

Someone mentioned that Farrahkan sued the WaPo over that. I don't know if he got anywhere, but they will claim damage to their reputation, etc.

I wasn't aware Farrahkan required any outside factors to damage his reputation. :}

I can understand an attorney taking up
Farrahkan's whiny case, but a judge?!

I forgot to give credit where it's due. My post about Ramsey Clark to answer a poster's questions came from Discover the Network.

[Link: www.discoverthenetwork.org...]

#12 AddictedLizardoid -

"Make levees not war"?

Gilligan probably got his inspiration this morning while drowning his bowl of toasted crab flakes.

#56 Jheka

I just came back from today's moonbatathon ... Nowhere near 100,000 ... probably half that or less ... had an absolute blast with the Protest Warrior and other pro-troop folks.

That's what I'm talking about: boots on the ground coverage. Too many numbers being thrown around today. Now if it was being calculated like an American death in Iraq, the MSM would be certain of the count at todays' protest.

Earth2: It was ME that reported about what Farrakhan either threated to do or did to the Washington Post. So whatever happened with the actual lawsuit, the Post decided THEN to NOT report any numbers. (they got scared to death..they have to sell newpapers in DC and so..they cant be seen as "dissing" African Americans and their causes) Thats where I left it. If the Post resumed reporting crowd numbers...Im not aware of it. Maybe they have.

Isn't it so interesting that Farrakhan and his little group is so very QUIET now..Not heard much of a peep from any of em since the War.

That don't mean their members aren't helping their "Arab Brothers". Funny how they conveniently forget about the original SLAVERS in Africa...Course it was the Joooss that enabled the slave trade..And of course they (Arabs and Africans) all did apologize to African Americans for their actions such a long time ago.

Now that a few thousand people have showed up, you'd think the f*cking BBC would update their story

Anti-war rally held in Washington

Thousands of anti-war protesters are marching in Washington to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

Organisers said they were expecting 100,000 to turn out for the 11-hour rally, march and concert near the White House and Washington Monument.

It's not exactly a lie, and that's good enough for the BBC.

Sol: The Farrakhan case was a HUGE DEAL here in DC. DC has its own culture and alot of the time its own way of accommodating that culture. Its the Capital of Black America. They mean it. Judges pay quite a BIT of attention to any African American Leader. Everyone here does.

#50 Abu Maven

I saw Michelle's pics earlier. Seems the Getty images are the more benign ones...

How'd ya like the compassionate liberal with the sign "Convict & Castrate Cheney"?

Radio program I'm listening to just said "tens and thousands."

...techncially true if a bit over 2000, but it sounded like they were saying "tens of thousands." (a common substitution.")

Nope, no bias here.

From the pictures I saw it looks like 10K-15K. If 100K or more showed up, there would have been much more coverage in the MSM on the rallies.

Even with the "camp casey" in Crawford, the bus tour, Moore, MoveOn.org, ANSWER, and all the other groups if there was a real anti-war movemnet there would be at least 100K.

BTW the BBC also quotes Paul Rutherford the 60 year old Republican quoted in the piece Jeff Goldstein tears apart. There just aren't enough 60 year old Republican turncoats to go around at these sorts of rallies. Its a big problem.

Chanel 7 News ABC Wash.DC. ..THOUSANDS of War Protesters Come to Washington, but first the commercial.

OT (kinda):

Construction workers at Stuttgart airport have discovered a grave containing around 30 skeletons of people believed to have been Jewish forced labourers during World War Two. The remains were found on Monday near the entrance of a U.S. military airbase which borders the airport, the Stuttgart prosecutor's office said. Medical checks suggested the bodies were buried around 60 years ago and were possibly the remains of Jewish prisoners from the nearby Echterdingen labour camp who had starved to death in late 1944 and early 1945.

Human beings would have called it a concentration camp and that the prisoners had been starved to death. But this is Reuters, after all.

Link

How 'bout this gem, from a kos commenter:

"It is such a disaster that now I am thinking that we are lucky that Hurricane Rita came along and distracted the media today. No one else is lucky Rita showed up, but the anti-war movement might be. On the other hand, these speeches are probably going to run numerous times on CSPAN just so every little old lady who might have supported the movement at this point can be assured that the movement is headed up by a bunch of freaks expressing at times very anti-American sentiment. Not good."

I'm suprised they didn't have big electronic scoreboard with the current Iraq/Afgan death toll and number of injuries of US personnel.

And what the hell is CNN thinking?!

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Don't answer that.

Chan 7: Tens of thousands of War Protesters..A Smaller Group Supporting the War... Short Report.

#74 Abu Maven
If ANSWER could line up Piazza, Wright, Floyd, Pedro & Reyes they might get a larger turnout.

I just got back from the anti-war march in downtown Los Angeles. Because of all the taco stands and the general stink of downtown you really couldn't appreciate the aroma of the protesters.

I did take about 100 photographs though.

...but I had to leave when the speeches started because those people scream too much.

I just watched NBC "news" and they reported that Jessie Jackson & Mother Moonbat were at the demonstration - no mention of numbers. Brian Williams reported that a couple of hundred counter demonstrators were on hand.

They are shamelessly liberal and/or incredibaly incompetant. I can't stand mainstream media anymore. Blogs will bury them.

By the way, har Jessie Jackson ever done anything remotely useful for his people?

#56 Jheka

I just came back from today's moonbatathon ... Nowhere near 100,000 ... probably half that or less ... had an absolute blast with the Protest Warrior and other pro-troop folks.

You, the Protest Warriors, and any other sane anti-moonbat protestors were probably counted as anti-war as part of the crowd inflation measures.

[Link: editorial.gettyimages.com...]

But this is just about your grief, right Cindy? I can tell, you look just devastated in the above photo.

Give me a break. She's not just any media whore...she's one willing to piss on the memory of her own son. There's a special place in hell for her and others just like her.

Just came across a picture of mothersheediot with W. at their MEETING in '04. It was in a 'people' mag that my daughter had.

I scanned it, coz couldn't find it anywhere on the web. If anyone knows how to post it and have a link so others can see, email me and I'll send it to you. I don't know how to post a picture. Just click on my name for email address.

Some of those idiots at KOS may have a moment of clarity, like Michael Douglas at the end of Falling Down.

"I'm the bad guy? How did that happen?"

Where is the Giant Scrotum Guy? What's a rally without Scrotal Inflation! The whole thing petered out because he was not there!

Chan 9 CBS DC. Its the biggest WAR PROTEST since the War Began...see, whatever the numbers it is SIGNIFICANT.

#52 Earth2moonbat - Haven't read the entire thread, I DID read the looong thread about this stupid protest in the thread behind the last one and now need to shower and wash my eyeballs out! However a couple of posters here in this thread said the DC cops estimated the "crowd" at8000-10,000 and cops are usually pretty good at estimating these things (though I have to admit that the photo provided by Charles seemed to show somethng between 25,000 and 30,000 to these untrained and strained eyeballs.
I tend to believe the cops because they are trained at measuring crowds like this, but also because MSM,
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO C-SPAN THE ONLY CHANNEL THAT CARRIED IT, didn't really give any crowd shots or "sweeps". My best guess would be 10,000 - with maybe a peak of 50,000 at the concert which I believe was the photo Charles showed us.
In any event, for a "big deal" anti-war movement it was tiny. Even the Kos Kids were joking about the size and bitching and moaning about adding all the other non-anti-war crap (Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti, Israel, Palestinians etc) as "diluting the message". And you know what? The Kos Kids were right about that; it seemed to be, pure and simple, anti-USA when the Kos Kids(and me too) thought it was going to be anti-war. Mother Sheehan did her part though, once again anti-war, anti-Israel, anti-flood response in NO, etc.

124 Vickie

It all depends on what the meaning of "big" is...

#105 Vickie

What was the outcome of that case?

It saddens me so to see Cindy grieving. BTW, what "rights" are the Rev demonstrating for?

My favorite moonbat slogan was:

"WE ALL WANT PEACE"

Who doesn't? What a bunch of lame ideas.

NO WAR, PEACE NOW BLAH BLAH BLAH

What does this accomplish? My brain is unable to comprehend their fantasies.

Perhaps they need to set up peace talks with Zarqawi? I'm sure if they tell him they hate Bush that will solve all the problems?

/bawahahaha

You had about 10K at the peak of the march, and nowhere near that at the rally with the speakers. Toward the end of the speeches, you may have had about a hundred die-hard commies still attending, but no more than that.

Ramsey is BS-ing about the 100K number. We were sued during the last protest, big time. I believe that he is attempting to appease the lefties in order to make a lawsuit for arrests less likely this time around. BTW, nice non-regulation riot baton he has in his right hand in the Getty's pic.

On CSPAN, as well as in radio transmissions from our people, the directions that were given to the protesters were, "don't bunch up, stay spread out."

I can only assume that it was to make numbers look like more than they were.

I think that the "solidarity" with the "Iraqi Resistance" alienated many of the somewhat more centrist leaning moonbats today. Just my $0.02

#128 "is"

#119 Swampwoman:

Well, I was interviewed by NBC ... I spoke to them in my continuing quest to get over my shyness ...

Earth2: lolol

Sol: I'm not sure how the actual case turned out or if Farrakhan did compete the case. Heres what happened with the Post tho. They folded to Farrakhan, believe they even apologized to him and there were all sorts of articles IN THE POST about how they low balled the numbers. For years The Washington Post changed their policy of reporting any numbers in any kind of march. (This is a big deal in DC..those Demonstrations..We here usually want to know how many showed up blah blah blah--we are such Beltway People)

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Chan9--Calling Cindy, "The Peace MOM". (she actually said MOM) Well isn't that ever so SPECIAL? MOM.. so wheres the APPLE PIE?

Few blocks away the voice of a MUCH SMALLER Crowd with just as much passion...Chanel 9 did show the individual Gold Star Support the War People.

Chan 9 reports: Ramsey said that the Peace March.."probably hit their goal of 100K.

Update. I just received word that something malfunctioned with the scrotal inflation apparatus. There was a short male with a burst scrotum admitted to the emergency room at Walter Reed Hospital. Doctors say he is in serious condition with one testicle missing.

If any of you have any other information please share it.

Just pulled my head out of my um, dark spot and realized the poster who posted asking about "Ramsey" was referring to D.C. Police Chief Ramsey and not Ramsey Clark. Oh well, everyone burns the biscuits now and then.

Ahhh...Freddie. Good explanation about why Ramsey would rubber stamp the Peace March's numbers. Plus my reason is valid too. Lots of reasons.

Who got sued last time? The police?

#133 Vickie

I wouldn't believe Ramsey aboout the 100K. He rarely tells the truth about much these days.

#112 Nate

...movement at this point can be assured that the movement is headed up by a bunch of freaks expressing at times very anti-American sentiment. Not good.

Drink it in twits. This is your base. These are your leaders.

There was a short male with a burst scrotum admitted to the emergency room at Walter Reed Hospital.

Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago.

#134 Ledger1

I think I just found the other testicle. Oh wait, it's just a kitten hair ball. Sorry.

Freddie: Oh I don't believe any such thing. I'm sure there wasn't any 100K. nor did DC act like it was expecting so many people. Least not that I saw. Your explanation was good to know. Politics of the Police. (never thought of that..live and learn) Everybody has to "play" these days.

#136 Vickie

We got sued, and lost, big time, about the mass arrests last year. The city council made bigtime changes, which Ramsey approved, to our use of force policies during demonstrations.

It behooves him to placate the protesters, as he wants to leave our department for bigger and better things next year.

#132 Jheka

Well, I was interviewed by NBC ... I spoke to them in my continuing quest to get over my shyness ...

Poor baby! That shyness thing is the bane of your existence. Yep, every night 'fore I go to sleep, I pray to the (insert higher being of your choice) that dear Jheka will be able to conquer that shyness of his at whatever sleazy strip club he's currently stuffing dollar bills at...

Freddy: Haven't paid all that much attent. to DC Politics of late..but I THINK I heard little faint "Ramsey for Mayor" remarks. Hmmm. Wonder if HE wants to.

Freddie: Wait a minute...I sort of remember. Yeah..you got sued and there are gonna be changes. Thats all the details I remember right now.

But listen, its good you talked about Politics of Police in our Big Cities. Ive never thought about it. Nice to know about this subject. Then it does play a part in these situations..plus it plays a big part in handling of "demonstrations" in the US everywhere.

You DC or Capital or what? Or can you say?

I don't think he would be electable as mayor. He has pissed off too many people to do that. From what I hear, he is looking to the federal side for future employment. Why couldn't Gainer have stayed as our Chief, instead of going over to Capitol?

Anyway, police politics are a reality in DC. We do as we are told, and deal with it.

#143 Swampy:

Hey! Don't mock my therapy program ... besides, we all know that you're a bad influence on me :)

A man with a giant inflated scrotum walks into a psychiatrist's office and the doctor says "I can clearly see your nuts".

Sorry.

#130 Freddy Boy

Thank you for that insight! How are you? Is everything settled now on the home front?

The statement that you made about the crowd dwindling quickly over time was obvious as we watched C-Span. How does the DC Police estimate crowd numbers?

WTOP reported many events on the Mall today. Did you notice a lot of people walking from event to event?

I do like your theory that the centrist moonbats walked away!

#147 Jheka

Hey! Don't mock my therapy program ... besides, we all know that you're a bad influence on me :)

What? A highly principled person such as myself being a bad influence on an attorney? Ha!

ot fyi
Tony Blankley author of "The West's Last Chance"
is on CSPAN2 now.

Freddie: Its so "neat" to learn all about this. Thanks. Its a part of the equation in every big city then. (I should have always know that)

I love our (born in DC) Police. (tho I live in Mnt. County..once a Washingtonian always a Washingtonian) Been in Demonsrations or around events my whole life. Boy can they handle the situation.

#149 Ann

Everything is on the up and up. We are definately settled in. I just got a bad medical diagnosis, which is why I haven't been on in a while, and why I will be going home for a while soon. The girls are doing well though, and are happy to be here.

#152 Vickie

Yeah, we tend to do better than most at handling violent demonstartors, as we showed again at 10th and K St., NW again today. Unfortunately, the lefties do drain out resources by suing every year, making our chief less likely to approve of mass arrests with each passing year.

Incedently, I did overhear one of my supervisors talking about the counter-demonstrators today. He asked me if we could expect any problems from them. I told him that there would only be issues if they were assaulted today. He was satisfied with that answer.

#152 Vickie:

I can confirm that the police (DC and Park Service) were great. Very professional, very effective.

This paragraph from Yahoo cracks me up:

"One organizer of the anti-war protest claimed that 250,000 attended the rally and marched around the White House. The area near the rally stage was often sparsely populated, but the streets around the Ellipse and White House were filled with thousands of people."

Hellooo? I saw more lawn than protestors around the rally stage. AND, I don't think you can count the tourists and locals in D.C. as part of the rally attendees.

Largest protest since the war began?

Antiwar Protests in D.C., San Fran

Organizers expected more than 30,000 would turn out for the protest, but the crowd - which filled the area between the monument and the Ellipse near the White House - appeared much smaller.

Because the U.S. Park Police no longer issues crowd estimates, the size of the crowd could not be verified.

International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) and United for Peace and Justice, which organized the protest, also planned a mass demonstration in San Francisco for later Saturday.

Some demonstrators at the Washington rally acknowledged that the crowd was lighter than previous protests during and before the war.

--CBS News/AP report, October 25, 2003

If you can believe CBS...

Largest protest since the war began?

Thousands Join U.S. Anti-War March

Thousands of protesters have turned out in Washington and San Francisco to demonstrate against the occupation of Iraq by the United States-led coalition.

In the capital, about 20,000 gathered at the Washington Monument, within sight of the White House, carrying posters calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

. . .

The protests on both coasts were organised by the group Answer (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) and United for Peace and Justice.

--B.B.C. News, October 26, 2003

If you can believe the B.B.C...

#153 Freddy Boy

why I will be going home for a while soon. The girls are doing well though, and are happy to be here.

Okay. Sending an email.

I noticed that this week's TIME magazine cover was titled "Is It Too Late To Win The War?"

Yeah, right. As we all know American and Iraqi forces are starving, down to one round per man, and Bagdad is in imminent danger of being overrun.

More than likely this cover story was intended to correspond with this weekend's anti-war stupidity.

Fortunately Hurricane Rita short circuited the media's planned "anti-war" offensive.

Jheka

The shyest guy in town..

Is It To Late To Win The War?

From now on if someone says something like to me I will reply...

"What war?"

Largest protest since the war began?

Demonstrators march against Iraq occupation

Organizers estimated that 100,000 people turned out for the demonstration, but police at the scene put the number much lower, from 10,000 to 20,000. U.S. Park Police no longer issue official crowd estimates, so the size of the protest could not be verified.
International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) and United for Peace and Justice, which brought together about 600 groups, held similar demonstrations in San Francisco yesterday.

--Washington Times, October 25, 2003

Well, that's just that right-wing paper...

Largest protest since the war began?

Tens of Thousands Protest Iraq Policy in Washington

United for Peace and Justice, which coordinated the protest with International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), estimated that 100,000 people from more than 145 cities attended the demonstration. Police on the streets put the number closer to 20,000 or 30,000. Washington police do not provide official crowd estimates at public protests.

ANSWER spokesman Brian Becker said the demonstration was intended to send a message to the Bush administration that its position was "losing ground" while they were gaining.

--China Daily, October 26, 2003

Well, that's just the ChiComs...

The biggest crowd seems to have been at the free concert.

That's why they give free concerts

From the AP:

Washington D.C.'s police chief said he thinks anti-war demonstrators probably hit their turnout goal of 100,000 people.

[Link: www.clickondetroit.com...]

J: Aren't they the greatest? Was explaining to my friend in NO what you can do in DC and CANNOT do in DC. Compared to NO..lolol Lets face it, you DON'T get out of hand in DC. (cept for that crowd when we won the Superbowl.. just one time tho)

Largest protest since the war began?

Well, maybe...

Americans protest against Iraq war

Saddam Hussein has hailed the anti-war protests in the United States at the weekend as proof that Americans back Iraq rather than President George W Bush.

"They are supporting you because they know that evildoers target Iraq to silence and dissenting voice to their evil and destructive policies," he told senior officers, including his son Qusay, commander of the elite Republican Guard.

A group called Answer (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), which organised the rallies, claimed that 500,000 turned up in Washington, making it the biggest protest since the Vietnam War.

Police estimates ranged between 100,000 and 200,000 and there were few speakers from the mainstream of the Democratic Party at the rally, let alone Republicans.

--Daily Telegraph (UK), 1/20/2003

Freddy: I'm not surprised that "Demonstrators" have been working on lessening the effectiveness of the Police and working on it little by little for years. Listen we cant have the Capital of the Free World get out of hand and get trashed. Sides..its beautiful here and we dont want our beautiful city messed up. Need to hire some really effective lawyers FOR the Police so they other side doesnt win.

So whats it gonna be for GT for Halloween? I also explained to my NO friend how Washington handles a "street party". NOT like NO, thats fer sure...No walking around with liquor and no NOT wearing your top..Geeze. She thought we in DC were too "strict"..lolol

CSpan never showed the march. Why didn't they show the march? Was there one?
I've been looking all over the net, TV and newspapers to try to find photo's of the march. I can't find any.

Largest protest since the war began?

Well, maybe...

Crowd Estimates: 30,000 to 500,000

The number is freighted with loads of political baggage and can fluctuate wildly -- tripling one minute, halving the next -- depending on who's talking.

U.S. Capitol Police suggested yesterday's antiwar street march drew 30,000 to 50,000 people. Protest organizers said that the number was closer to 500,000. District police settled on "an awful lot of people."

The truth might fall somewhere in between the guesses, or it might fall somewhere beyond the edges. That's because no one really knows how many people showed up.

. . .

Why is it important to demand specificity, to insist on a hard number? Many of those involved in the rallies say numbers are important because they're often used -- rightly or wrongly -- to convey the strength of a political movement. Because organizers often see their movements as being at odds with the government's way of thinking, they don't trust public officials to do the counting.

"The police always low-ball it," said Tony Murphy, spokesman for International ANSWER, the coalition that organized yesterday's demonstration. "They always give drastically low numbers, so it's important for us to make sure realistic numbers get out."

Early yesterday afternoon, D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said the crowd count was comparable to the antiwar rally held in Washington on Oct. 26. In October, Ramsey suggested that that protest seemed somewhat larger than the April 20 rally to support the Palestinian people and oppose U.S. aid to Israel. In April, he had eyeballed the pro-Palestinian crowd as numbering about 75,000.

So did that mean his estimate yesterday was "about 100,000"?

Not really. Later in the day, Ramsey reconsidered and opined that the crowd was probably larger than October's, but he wouldn't commit to a number: "I wouldn't argue with the people who say that there's an awful lot of people out there," he said.

Protest organizers defined "an awful lot" as a half-million.

Immediately after the Oct. 26 protest, International ANSWER: (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) seemed content with the 100,000 ballpark figure attributed to Ramsey. But later, as organizers conferred with other observers, they settled on 200,000.

Murphy explained that revision. He said organizers floated the 100,000 figure to a member of the media, someone from Pacifica Radio, a left-leaning network that covered the event. The Pacifica reporter offered a different perspective of that event.

Murphy said: "We were saying 100,000 and they [Pacifica Radio] said, 'Oh, come on -- it was a lot more than that. It was 200,000, at least.' "

. . .

For 30 years, measuring crowds rested on the shoulders of the U.S. Park Police, which divided the Mall into sections, used aerial photographs to determine the density of the crowd and issued a head count. The numbers often were disputed. After officials estimated that the Million Man March in 1995 was more like a 400,000-man march, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan threatened to sue. Congress later mandated that the Park Police, an arm of the National Park Service, bow out of the counting business.

--Washington Post, January 19, 2003

Dar: What a great article.

"we support the troops by singing out the truth"

-Raging Grannies

It is amazing how the left can support the troops if the were in NOLA, for the most part, but hate them abroad.

This sounds alomost like a Kerry campaigh commerical. Bish lied, etc, etc, etc.

OT-

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Does anyone know the full poem "What If They Gave a War and Nobody Came?" My understanding is that it provides an answer the anti-war crowd wouldn't like. ("Then the war will come to you...)

I read the poem once but can't find it.

Gotta love it. “Descend on the Capitol.” All 30 of them.

...turnout was much less than 100,000 people.

...the mainstream media’s dishonest spin...

I got one more quote, but this one's not from you, Charles:

Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that."

Can we talk about your "dishonest spin" you spineless twit?

#175:
*tsk-tsk*

Did y'all notice that the audience shown on C-Span, etc. seemed to be coached to bunch up, block camera views of wide and open aisles... make the crowd seem much more dense to the cameras?

I tried to get Chief Ramsey to comment on the guy with the burst scrotum but, he could only say it was the "worst case of scrotal explosion" he had seen in his entire career. But, they are still looking for the missing testicle. He appealed to the public to turn in any missing testicles...