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Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 6:49:00 pm PDT

The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight, as a Pakistani man murders his sister in a public street: Bror draebte sin soester. (Hat tip: Shiplord Kirel.)

Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family.

The original Danish report is here: Ekstra Bladet.

Another report in English:

Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday, accused of shooting his 19-year-old sister and her Afghan husband on Friday. The sister died shortly after from her gunshot wounds.

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

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1 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:50:13pm

thus are the wages of appeasement

2 truthsword  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:50:54pm

Religion of Peace.

3 Megan  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:51:24pm

Multiculturalism at work.

4 Mcgyver  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:51:56pm

Ok, anyone think they will do something positive about this? or will this have happened in vain? The Danes need to clean house.

Mcgyver, out

5 mbruce  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:52:07pm

How can anyone question that these people are horrid?
My God, My God...

6 truthsword  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:52:35pm

I don't care how much you hate Bush, how can any REAL women's libber want this?

7 PoorMan  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:52:53pm

Yikes.

I wonder what the Danish, and European, responses to this will be.

Unbelievable.

8 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:53:27pm

It never happened. It's a Zionist Photoshop Lie(TM)

/channeling ibrahim hooper

9 Paul  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:53:49pm

Europe's future summarized in one photograph.

10 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:53:58pm

Now boarding: Train to the 9th century. Show your ticket Denmark. All aboard!

11 Orson Buggy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:57:12pm

[‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.]

Bull Fuckin' Shit

12 Matticus Finch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:57:20pm

This senseless murder brought to you by Islam, the religion of peace.

13 baltodog  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:57:32pm

"...not a religious practice..." my ass.

14 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:57:48pm

From the English version of the story:

Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday, accused of shooting his 19-year-old sister and her Afghan husband on Friday. The sister died shortly after from her gunshot wounds.

'We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,' said Nazir.

How society could prevent killings committed in the name of honour would be the focus of the discussion forum.

'We don't know the actual background for the killing, but if there is talk of an 'honour killing', I would say there is no honour involved,' said Nazir. 'He has lost a sister, and the family must now mourn over two losses, both the daughter and the son are gone. Honour is a strange word to use.'

Uh, no, this isn't how it works.

In an "honor killing," the family WANTS the woman to die.

They only grieve if she survives.

15 cicadajoe  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:58:06pm

Yes. Please "try to find Imams." Is that the usual response to murder? I didn't see too many Imams on Dragnet.

16 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:58:36pm

#6 truthsword
how can any REAL women's libber want this?


Women's Libbers? Where in the name of G-d are they? They've been sorely needed for some time now.

17 Cognito Primoris  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:58:50pm
'Many (Pakistanis, ed) are very disappointed that this problem has again appeared in contemporary Denmark,' said Nazir.

Again? You mean it wasn't going on for a while?

RoPMA!

18 Model4  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:58:56pm

Celebrate diversity! On request, I can lecture you on how mistaken you are if you think scenes like this should not be embraced and deemed superior to your colonialist hegemonistic notions of "civilization."

#6 truthsword:

don't care how much you hate Bush, how can any REAL women's libber want this?

Where did you get the notion that feminism had any purpose beyond undermining the West? Unless by "REAL women's libber" you mean the literate people who already know that women are liberated, and have moved on to something useful to devote their time and efforts to.

19 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 4:59:11pm

A very good reason to be back the Death Penalty, to be administered within 2 years. One appeal. Max.

20 melachiro  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:00:38pm
‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

I call bullsh#t, not a religious practice yet it happens with surprising frequency. When, oh when will the world wake up and cleanse itself of the ROP.

To the remaining people of Danmark with spines left...stolthed


/pissed
//sick of this crap
///unbelievable irritated before bed
///damn it

21 rorschach  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:00:40pm
this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’

Sorry, I'm not buying this. There are many dark, twisted aspects to islam that they will not acknowledge.

22 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:00:59pm

16 Semper Fi

Women's Libbers? Where in the name of G-d are they? They've been sorely needed for some time now.

They are now called Feminists.. and they are not interested in Muslim culture... they have been busy tearing down the White Males in our society...

23 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:01:03pm

It's women's lib! Liberation from LIFE! Don't you Zionist chimps get it? Oh I Get it!

/moonbat justification

24 SCRIBE  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:01:05pm
We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

Oh sure, and if you believe Nazi-r you'll believe anything.

25 TotallySirius  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:01:13pm
Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday

That statement speaks volumes.

26 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:01:47pm

Disappointed? How about bloody horrified? Oh,wait. It was only a woman being killed. Sorta like a dog. Nothing to make a fuss over.

Bastards.

27 Cognito Primoris  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:02:33pm

OT:

Rush mentioned LGF twice on his show today at the end of the first hour. Afterward, I couldn't even pull up the page.

Charles, did Dittoheads flood the server or was this a problem on my end?

28 melachiro  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:02:36pm

PIMF ///unbelievably

29 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:04:01pm
‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

And then? Are you going to kill the son-of-a-bitch who did it?

30 greenmamba  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:04:06pm

Well it's not too surprising. In civilized Britain, here's a current justification for suicide bombing from MPA-CUK (Muslim Pubic Affairs Council UK)

Inside the Mind of a Suicide Bomber - Targeting Civilians .

People understand that 'suicide' operations, by its nature are a retaliatory measure of last resort, simply due to its finality. Thus, the best efforts of the media and politicians have not been successful in projecting 'suicide' bombings as an act of naked aggression. Instead, the media has focused in demonising it for its usage against civilians instead of confining it to military targets. Let us begin to analyse the 'suicide' operations in the context of war.
31 Stop Hillary  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:04:13pm

You Lizards are so judgmental and completely lacking in any sensitivity for other cultures.

32 Majestic  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:04:45pm

now the way I see it is, Denmark has banned guns like all socialist bonehead countries. The typical warped liberal thinking being that banning gun's eliminates crime.

Too bad her husband wasn't carrying a piece and shot back. He, instead, was playing the part of the law abiding fool in a socalist utopia.

All you muslim womynk who want to escape the evil of islam, move to one of 35 US states and get yourself a nice CCW permit. Then visit your local gunshop and pick up a gun, at least you'll have a fighting chance. PS, don't go to kalifornicate, NY, Illinoize, Taxachussetts- basically any BLUE state.

33 Matticus Finch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:04:59pm

22 Bubble Girl-

Women's Libbers? Where in the name of G-d are they? They've been sorely needed for some time now.
They are now called Feminists.. and they are not interested in Muslim culture... they have been busy tearing down the White Males in our society...


Wow. As I white male, I thank you for that.

34 Cognito Primoris  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:05:33pm

Ummm...

Hillary, tell me you're yanking my chain.

Did you read the article?

35 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:06:17pm

#31 Stop Hillary

Y'know. I really don't care if I'm considered judgemental or insensitive anymore. I'm beyond guilt. These people are bastards. And should be called as such

36 freedomplow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:06:20pm

Mandatory women gun laws are needed in the RoP

37 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:06:30pm

A man kills his parents. At his sentencing, he ask's the Judge to take pity on him "because he's an orfan"

This guy is now an only child, we must take pity on him.
/sarc.

38 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:08:04pm

do to them what they did to her... no mercy, no second chance.

39 Orson Buggy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:08:43pm

#30 greenmamba

Yeah, seems like every muslim and islamic apologist dumps a load of horseshit every time they open their yaps.

These people's culture has no place in our time.

40 Adrenalyn  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:09:02pm

ok, here is where I finally get my hat tip


here is the late breaking and exclusive remarks from the head of the European Union, NATO Chief and Kofi Annan

they issued a rare joint statement today about this and here is my exclusive

" "

yes, folks - isn't this a scoop
I've caught it on tape too
if someone wants a copy

41 Carolyn  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:09:37pm

Don't you realize that islam elevates womanhood?
/yeah, right

42 Ledger1  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:11:57pm

This is a blatant display grotesque fascism. Hitler would be proud.

43 Salem  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:12:05pm

Hmmm. Not nice. In no way representative of bowling, however. Bowling is a peaceful sport.

44 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:12:18pm

In the book "Burned Alive" (by a Palestinian woman who survived an attempted honor killing) - the young woman's OWN MOTHER showed up at the hospital where she was dying to get her to take poison (to finish herself off faster.)

The mother said that if she didn't die right away, it would be trouble for her brother (not that he was the one who did this to her - the fire was set by the young woman's brother in law.)

The young woman (a pregnant teenager at the time) expected to take the poison - it was to help keep problems from bothering her brother, after all.

A doctor stopped her from drinking the poison.

The family grieved that she was still alive.

She was saved by western aid workers who told the family that they were taking the young woman (and her baby, born after the burning) to die somewhere else. They both lived.

In honor killings, the family WANTS the woman or girl to die.

45 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:12:36pm

WTF kinda coward shoots his sister?!

46 Kimberly  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:12:41pm

Wow, I can't wait until Dan Rather, Chris Matthews, and other "famous journalists" marshal all their talents and funding to do a hard-hitting investigative report on how deeply the idea of honor killings has pervaded European culture.

Which they will, just as soon as they can figure out a way to make sure the conclusions make Bush look bad.

47 Stop Hillary  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:13:03pm

Meanwhile in Norway, Chechen asylumn seekers demand that everyone in their Norwegian refugee center pray to Allah, that no one wear shorts and that the muslims be fed first.

Were I Norwegian, I'd be looking real hard at security at my local elementary school. Norway, another nation eager to be embraced by the Crescent of Islam and soon to succumb.

Here is the link.

[Link: www.aftenposten.no...]

48 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:13:53pm

33 Matticus

It's true. Believe me, I grew up in Austin, two degrees from UT, I know of what I speak.

49 nonic  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:14:19pm
‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

"Cultural phenomenon."

In the U.S, we call this "murder."

How about executing a few of these murderers as a "discussion opener"?

50 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:14:41pm

Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”

Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”

Nice people

51 eeevil conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:15:42pm

Killed his sister...

Killed his sister...

Killed his sister...

not sure what the big deal is...

broad daylight, no fear, just killed his sister...

still not sure what the big deal is...

don't ya'll know that our troops could be standing on a Koran RIGHT NOW down in Cuba?

Stick to the program...

52 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:15:58pm

#27 Cognito Primoris
Charles, did Dittoheads flood the server or was this a problem on my end?


I experienced the same problem - not the first time - and thought the same.

53 Stop Hillary  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:16:25pm

#16 Semper Fi -- "Women's Libbers? Where in the name of G-d are they? They've been sorely needed for some time now."

They are too preoccupied with Bush hating to worry about this. I think that they figure it could never happen here, that there superior powers of reason will persuade Islamists to change.

54 TotallySirius  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:17:04pm

OT From Hannity and Colmes

Louis Farrakhan today said he has proof that the NOLA levees were deliberately "blown up",his spokeman,Quassam X says the minister(sic)'s statement was taken out of context and kept spouting some incomprehensible pap about the 1927 hurricane.

I saw the film clip and Calypso Louis does say he has "concrete evidence" but offers only that a military lab is testing "burned cement" found by divers at the NOLA levee breaks.

He gives no other details.

55 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:17:10pm

Right As Rain

I remember posting here about the plight of Muslim women referring to the practice of female genital mutilation and why weren't our feminists speaking out against this barbaric practice.

A troll said just because it was a "pet peeve" of mine, essentially Feminists had better things to do.

56 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:18:06pm

Rebtex

hi Reb!

57 Matticus Finch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:20:03pm

#48 Bubble Girl

You forget that I spent time in Austin myself, Bubbs (in college). I know the attitude there.

It's just refreshing to hear someone of the opposite sex 'speak truth to power'.

Heh.

58 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:20:30pm

#54 TotallySirius
But cement doesn't burn...

59 mich-again  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:20:35pm

From the story..

'Many (Pakistanis, ed) are very disappointed that this problem has again appeared in contemporary Denmark,' said Nazir.

Indeed. Not disappointed that it happened, mind you, just disappointed that because it happened in a civilized country, it will likely cause a bit of a PR problem for the RoPers.

60 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:20:36pm

Did I miss what his specific motive was?

61 TS  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:20:56pm

All the muslim community cares about is protecting the 'image of Islam'...that is why they say they will get together with the imams and all that other BS. They don't give a flying f--- about this girl or any other unobediant female, and most assuredly think she deserved what she got.

The authorities should just pull no punches...arrest the brother, of course, but also the mother and father, as they ordered the hit on thier daughter. Forget all the press conferences on how Islam has nothing to do with it, blah, blah, blah. Just get down to business!

62 daughter of patriots  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:21:09pm

Deport them now.

63 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:21:11pm

#45 RebTex

WTF kinda coward shoots his sister?!

The same kind of islamic coward who murders innocents all over the world.


How are you and the family doing?

64 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:21:42pm

#55 Bubble Girl

I remember posting here about the plight of Muslim women referring to the practice of female genital mutilation and why weren't our feminists speaking out against this barbaric practice.

A troll said just because it was a "pet peeve" of mine, essentially Feminists had better things to do.

When we were getting ready to attack Afghanistan, I asked some feminists that I knew if they were happy about it (since women were treated so badly by the Taliban.)

They were totally against the war, of course.

They wanted America to go in there for the treatment of women ONLY and not because we had been attacked on 9/11.

They didn't care if the women were helped after 9/11.

They wanted the women to be helped ONLY if this is why America went there. Helping the women for any other reason (like going after Al Qaeda) was unacceptable.

Feminists don't care about other women.

They care for their own politics first.

65 Scotch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:02pm

#56 Bubble Girl

Rebtex

hi Reb!

Reb has bee using dirty words on another thread! :)

66 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:18pm

Cue up the alibi karaoke machine and push "play":

It has nothing to do with Islam

It has nothing to do with Islam

It has nothing to do with Islam

It has nothing to do with Islam

Everybody!

It has nothing to do with Islam

It has nothing to do with Islam

It has nothing to do...

67 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:23pm

Honor killing? I don't see no honor killing!

(whistles)

/moonbat feminist

68 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:29pm

#45 RebTex

WTF kinda coward shoots his sister?!

You nailed it. Coward and creep.

69 Ronit  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:39pm

This thread reminds me of an incident about 10+ years ago. The FBI had bugged a house of some Muslim family and when they were listening to the tapes, they learned that the father killed his teenage daughter to save the family's honor.

But this woman who was gunned down in Denmark is lucky. Many Muslim women don't get killed properly the first time and end up only maimed and handicapped for life because of a botched honor killing.

Makes me sick when I see women's lib groups supporting the poor Muslims.

70 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:22:46pm

#58 J.D.

But cement doesn't burn...

It does if you get it hot enough.

71 eeevil conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:25pm

#60

Motive? He killed his SISTER, not his brother, no motive needed...

72 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:37pm

what a disgusting & diseased religion. No wonder leftists and hollywood want to apologize for it.

73 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:40pm

TEST

74 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:52pm

#22 Bubble Girl
They are now called Feminists.. and they are not interested in Muslim culture

You make a good point. Feminists huh! I can accept the current term but the proceeds don't seem worth it. Possibly I'm unable to see from the feminist vantage or point of view. I wish I did.

75 taterhead  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:53pm
...leads members of the immigrant community to reflect on the practice

Yes, one must reflect. What can one do? This is part of 'their' culture and we can't make them feeel bad about their culture. How can we keep this dirty little secret at an annoyance level because we don't want to make the larger culture not like us...reflecting...reflecting...

76 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:23:58pm

#60 Bob's Kid

Does it matter?

77 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:24:06pm

57 Matticus

No, I did not forget you were also in Austin. See, a girl, born and raised in Austin, who knows how self-centered and completely idiotic Feminism has become.

Amazing. A Latina who thinks white men can jump.

78 Ann  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:24:51pm

I just sent the Danish article to an ex-friend from Denmark, now living in the US, who gained outrageous finacial atrocities by living here in the US. He still hates the US. 9/11 was not islam, it was our policies of imperialism, he maintains.

I asked him to translate the article for me.

79 freedomplow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:04pm

44 rightasrain

Did the father make the mother do this, so that she would not meet the same fate?

80 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:14pm

#70 reaganite
How hot would that be, and how would you get it that hot?
What burns?

81 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:27pm

BG
Hola, Boniuta!
.
.
.
.
Reaganite
We're doin' good! thanks for askin'!

82 Stop Hillary  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:43pm

Just followed up the Norwegian link above. Apparently, Norwegian teens aren't drinking their parent's appeasement Kool-aid. They are concerned about the effect of muslim immigration. The survey shows half the boys are concerned, while three of ten girls share the concern. The girls are the first to suffer at the hands of Islam. The MSM, is doing a fine job of keeping the West ignorant of the Islamic threat.

This survey suggests that a new generation of kids is wising up notwithstanding the media's efforts to dumb them down.

Link: [Link: www.aftenposten.no...]

83 edr  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:51pm

Hmmm.

If "honor killings" aren't an aspect of Islam, then why does it exist in every single muslim community or country?

I'm sorry but it's time for a couple shots of vodka. This is just too damn depressing.

IMHO if this sort of shit starts happening here in America, then these people need to be deported en masse. I don't want to see running gunfights between muslims and "infidels", but I damn well won't shy from participating if it comes to it. People in Europe might be intimidated, but I damn well am not and will never be.

84 greenmamba  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:25:56pm

#45 RebTex

WTF kinda coward shoots his sister?!

A lethally armed coward, probably with major psychological issues and religious dementia.

85 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:10pm

#64 rightasrain

Feminists don't care about other women.

They care for their own politics first.

And second, and third, and...

If they cared about women, not only would they be on the vanguard against islamofacism, but they would also want Clinton tried for rape, and Kennedy for murder.

86 Gagdad Bob  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:29pm

This is actually the trailer for Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World.

87 witchywoman  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:33pm

Tribal barbarians who belong to a tribal, barbaric mohammedan political cult that wants to take over the world. And what will Denmark do? Send the brother to jail for a few years where he can sharpen his jihadi skills. What is wrong with the West? Did everyone in Europe drink a glass of cultural amnesia kool aid while I was in the bathroom?

88 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:38pm

Muslim family values.

I try to picture my older brother "calmly and methodically" pumping bullets into me for some transgression against "family honor," and my mind draws a blank. It is literally unimaginable to me.

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

Yeah, let's have a dialogue. That's what Lefty Euros love. Chit-chat-A-Very-Bad-Thing-Islam-is-Love-nod-nod-b lah-blah. Then everything will be OK.

89 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:49pm

Did I miss something, what exactly did she do?

/her offense doesn't seem to be mentioned in the English version

90 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:26:58pm

#69 Ronit
Makes me sick when I see women's lib groups supporting the poor Muslims.

Just curious. Do you have a link showing such support?

91 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:27:09pm

Now we know why isl;am is shunned in the Ozarks! LOL
/ Jest kiddin'!

92 secsailor  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:27:24pm

From Wikipedia:

History
Similar practices have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife. The practice has long since ended in Europe.


Oh really?

93 witchywoman  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:27:32pm

#82 Wow, that kool aid thing was in air huh?

94 SlothB77  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:27:47pm
The Organisation of Pakistani Students and Academics intends to discuss the practice during an upcoming debate forum,

What is there to debate? Killing someone is bad. But, perhaps honor killing is good?

Is this soon to be "we must understand" this crazed sister-killing brainwashed potential jihadi.

95 Model4  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:27:52pm

On the plus side, with the billions the Saudis use to promote Islam, they've been running a bunch of public service announcements in the West to dispel common misconceptions that many Muslims themselves have. The ads state in no uncertain terms that "honor killing" is wrong, FGM is wrong, jihad is wrong, bigotry toward Infidels is wrong. These ads feature prominent clerics and Islamic scholars from throughout the Ummah and carry serious weight with Muslims everywhere. I can't turn on my TV for more than 10 minutes without seeing one of these spots, and they're being played all over Europe as well.

96 Megan  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:28:13pm
How society could prevent killings committed in the name of honour would be the focus of the discussion forum.

We'll assume that every culture and religion is equal and carries out atrocities like this. Actually- let's avoid calling it an atrocity like we avoid using the word "terrorist". We'll do anything as long as it doesn't offend people from non-Western cultures. We'll pretend that multiculturalism works and ignore all the proof that it is destroying civilized, free societies. If we blame anyone, it will be whites, conservatives, Christians, Jews, Americans, and anyone who wants to defend Western culture. We'll call those people racist and Islamophobic for offending minorities and unassimilated immigrants, who are totally blameless./LLL response

97 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:28:28pm

64 RAR

So, okay. I am shocked. The feminists I know are citing the International Red Cross article that says the Iraqi women were better off during Saddam's regime.

This tells me everything I need to know about feminists. The ones I know care only about women's reproductive rights.. been legal for 30 years now, lesbian issues, and lambasting white men.

Essentially they are a clique of women who spend their time whining and saving a spotted owl or adopting a stray animal.

98 Paul  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:28:45pm
"Honour killing" inspires reflection among Pakistanis
"We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomonon..."

Just STFU and get out of Europe and North America you medieval gangsters.

99 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:28:52pm

#80 J.D.

It's called Thermite, the Nazi's used it to firebomb London, and when the Napalm ran out, Curtis Lemay used it to Bomb Japanese cities in WW II.

B-29's over Tokyo . . .

100 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:28:53pm

#89 Killian Bundy

Did I miss something, what exactly did she do?


She was born a she.
I think that was the biggest factor.

101 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:29:11pm

#79 freedomplow

Did the father make the mother do this, so that she would not meet the same fate?

No, in this case, the whole family wanted this girl to die.

She got pregnant out of wedlock.

She was a third girl in a family with four girls and a boy - the first sister was married, but the second sister was not pretty.

So the third sister was pretty much doomed to be an old maid (which would be a horrendous outcome for her.)

She knew a man nearby wanted to marry her so she tried to get him to talk her father into letting the marriage happen without the second sister being married first. The man had sex with her and abandoned her, instead.

Everyone in the family wanted this girl dead.

She was already an old (pregnant) maid at 17.

102 taterhead  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:30:06pm
...leads members of the immigrant community to reflect on the practice

oh wait...the culture needs to reflect on whether or not to keep the practice going...gee, sis married a dirty dog infidel, can't have that...she dishonored the family manhood. Hmmm...maybe instead of in daylight...that seems to get the infidels panties in a wad and might cut off our dhimmi checks...next time minions of death, invite a betrayer over for dinner...in the basement...

103 Stop Hillary  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:31:24pm

#34 Cognito -- "Hillary, tell me you're yanking my chain."

Yes, serious yanking there. I figured I'd weigh in with the sort of tripe that our pet troll Gordon will eventually come whining about.

104 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:31:34pm

85 E2M

If they cared about women, not only would they be on the vanguard against islamofacism, but they would also want Clinton tried for rape, and Kennedy for murder.

So very true, E2M... the blatantly obvious, at least to us.

105 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:31:41pm

#89 Killian Bundy
Did I miss something, what exactly did she do?

Seemingly, it doesn't matter, only how the family 'FEELS' about what she did. They apparently place honor in the same sack as 'false pride' or something like that.

106 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:31:42pm

45-Rebtex
Ain't ever talked to you much. Matter of fact we only posted a night or so before Rita hit. You have on hell of a friend in Bayou King I can tell you.
If you're posting, you're okay thank G-D.

As to the point of your (#45 post), there is nothing cultural about this kind of action; rather, its more like living evidence of a society totally bereft of culture. This is more a people seeking barbarity, brutality and chaos...er, in the name of "what's his name".

107 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:32:55pm
Does it matter?

No, not really, just curious. I am always amazed at what those types consider a 'sin.'

Bubbles, I love the word 'Latina.' It's such a pretty word, I think. It conjures up beautiful dark skinned women with sultry brown eyes (okay, yours are green, so sue me) and delightful kitchen smells.

Makes me want to be one, but alas! My UK heritage leaves me pasty white.

But at least i don't have brothers who try to kill me for some perceived slight...

108 barbara skolaut  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:33:24pm
We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon

There's your problem, Bubba.

Murder is not a "cultural phenomenon" - it's a fucking crime!

Bend over, Denmark - or stand up and fight.

You're at a crossroads - you can start paying Danegeld yourselves, or stand up as you did in the past and make others pay Danegeld to you. Your choice.

109 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:33:42pm

#80 J.D.

How hot would that be, and how would you get it that hot?

Real f*cking hot! The last time I saw it was magnesium was on fire first!

110 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:33:56pm

#99 Havoc
Thermite burns concrete, huh?
Who knew?

For real?

111 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:34:09pm

energyforcapital
Yup!
Ol' Bayou King is a good 'un!
But...So are the MANY Lizzards that make all this happen!
/May Mo wear a pig anus for a necklace for all eternity!

112 melachiro  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:34:20pm

#83 edr

I'll be right there with ya man!

113 kathyn  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:34:33pm

I personally know a girl who is a Catholic Jordanian. Her family tried to kill her and she's been in hiding for several years now. And yes, her mother and her sisters wanted her to die, too.

114 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:34:38pm

Do we have ONE muslim school here in the USA where girls MUST wear a scarf ?

If so, we are all citizens of Denmark.

/I know, I know, I am bad etc. etc.

// I didn't write "muslim girls" because I don't see the world like THEM.

115 Hankmeister  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:34:38pm

Ah, the religion of peace at work again. And where is the outcry from the Muslim community that their religion doesn't teach such things? And where is the outcry from liberal humanists around the globe who would have roundly condemned all of Christendom if this had been done in the name of the Bible/Jesus/Jehovah.

Once found guilty of murder, the dirtbag ought to be shot in similar manner. Better yet, let him die the death of ten thousand firecrackers. He'll burn in hell along side the rest of the Islamofascists and the unrepentant Nazis.

116 carefulnow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:35:09pm

If a Pakistani woman marries an Afghan husband is it cause enough for her brother to murder her for the family's honor?

117 taterhead  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:35:23pm

Several years back, here in St. Louis, a father honor killed his daughter. Can't remember what country he came from. He had three daughters. The oldest two were out and married. The youngest was in high school and was integrating very nicely. She had a part time job at a fast food joint, hung out with friends, and snotted off her parents. Dad didn't like it, had mom help him hold her down and stabbed her.
Dumn ass didn't know that the FBI had his house wired. That is how the cops found out. The murder was taped and the feds handed them over to the police.
Father said she was dishonoring the family for nothing more than the above mentioned. The sisters said pops was justified...she had to be taught a 'lesson'.

118 the_flying_pig  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:35:41pm

Time to bring back the death penalty in Denmark!

119 imploder  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:36:27pm

I think the main point I take from this: the utter and willful disdain for human life.

An "honor killing" is the waste of God's essence, the taking of something so precious, no mortal should assume to have the authority to do it. Not to mention the collateral damage.

These are humans beings. A human being, a man guns down his own sister in cold blood. This is not compassion, this is not law. This is an abomination. This is something so grotesque I can't even describe it. This is perversion, delusion and just pure evil.

This evil rides across the land this night. Think about that.

120 taterhead  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:36:38pm

#117 regarding my above post...the feds had him wired cause of suspicious ties...

121 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:36:41pm

If they bone your Sis,
You must stone your Sis
/Johnny Al-Cochran

122 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:36:47pm

#110 J.D.

For real?

Thermite will burn through concrete, but it won't ignite it.

123 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:36:58pm

#113 kathyn

I personally know a girl who is a Catholic Jordanian. Her family tried to kill her and she's been in hiding for several years now. And yes, her mother and her sisters wanted her to die, too.

It's a family decision, absolutely.

It comes from Arab culture and Islam (which is a religion that originated in Arab culture.)

124 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:37:22pm
125 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:00pm

#109 reaganite
Seriously?
I am amazed...
But that happens all the time.

126 Ann  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:02pm

We must not, and cannot respect this "culture". It must adapt to civilization as we know it.

Or we will die at its barbaric hands.

I am sure that couple thought that they would be above that law in the West.

And its cancer just continues to infects us.

127 Matticus Finch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:13pm

#106 energyforcapital 9/27/2005 07:31PM PDT
45-Rebtex
Ain't ever talked to you much. Matter of fact we only posted a night or so before Rita hit. You have on hell of a friend in Bayou King I can tell you.


you can say that again, Energy. You don't find alot like Bayou King out there. I've noticed it too.

128 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:29pm

The girl married against her family's wishes. The tribal idea is arranged marriages keep the money in the family. Of course it also leads to inbreeding and complications. Nevertheless, this brother was given the OK, most likely by his father or some other elder.

129 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:35pm

When Reb starts channeling Johhy Cochran, you know he's doing OKAY.

And glad to know it.

130 sixstringslinger  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:38:40pm

Repeat after me:

ROP...ROP...ROP...ROP...ROP...ROP...ROP...ROP...RO P...ROP...ROP...

R.I.P.

131 imploder  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:39:24pm

#119 imploder

no mortal should assume to have the authority to do it.

This, I believe no one person can condemn another to die. I do believe a jury of ones peers can pass that sentence, however.

132 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:39:38pm

J.D. --

Some thermite formulations get to over 3,700 degrees. Steel is made at about 2,000 degrees.

Lime kilns used to make portland cement with oxygen heat the material (burn it) at 2,700 degrees from a flame of 3,700 degrees.

133 carefulnow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:39:56pm

Inbreeding--that explains a lot.

134 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:41:08pm

#125 J.D.

Seriously?

100%

135 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:41:25pm

The infant mortality rate among Arabs and Muslims is mostly a problem of defects from inbreeding.

Cousins marry cousins whose children marry their cousins, etc.

It's a breeding ground for birth defects.

The trust for marriages is within the family, however, so the inbreeding goes on.

136 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:42:05pm

111-

/May Mo wear a pig anus for a necklace for all eternity!

ooorahhh!

137 transferthem  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:42:22pm

The Religion of Peace is rockin' in Denmark!

I bet the left just loved this one! Always nice to experience cultural diversity with our muslim friends, eh? Maybe michael moron can make a film showing how the Jews and Bush were responsible for the cultural oppression of the brother and how this induced him to kill his sister...all to do with the oppression of the palestinian people and occupation...illegal invasion of iraq...blah blah blah.

I wish they'd start killing leftists instead of their own families. That way the moonbats may start to understand life as it is in islamoland.

138 realwest  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:42:32pm

Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday, accused of shooting his 19-year-old sister and her Afghan husband on Friday.

Yeah, what shocked them was that he was apprehended.

139 freedomplow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:42:33pm

101 rightasrain

Thanks, I'll have to read it. Sounds like it should be read by everyone.

140 Dayenu  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:43:00pm

Women libbers have more important things to worry about than burkas, honor killings and cliteorectomies.

For instance... making fun of Jews...

141 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:43:27pm

#135 RaR

a problem of defects from inbreeding

In a word: osamabinladen

142 TotallySirius  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:44:14pm

#58 J.D.

Indeed cement burns if you get it hot enough.

Many modern high velocity explosives combust at very high temperatures,however blasting a concrete levee would call for low velocity explosives like TNT or Amytol.

143 vero  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:44:24pm

time to visit your friendly neighborhood ammo store and stock up on a few more boxes.

Lord forgive me but I do dispise that frigging religion - RoP is for the weak minded.

144 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:45:31pm

#124 Iron Fist

Safe, effective, and relatively cheap. Nice toy :-)

When the war of deportation get's into full swing (that Rayra keeps predicting), you can sign me up for the airforce thermite squadron.

145 tedster  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:45:58pm

Can anybody find any mention whatsoever in the mainstream media? This outrage is outrageous, but the lack of outrage is even more outrageous.

146 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:46:22pm

127-matticus
Quit it! I'm getting misty.

/beer talking

147 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:46:32pm

TotallySirius
Actually, anything will burn.
It's the rate of burn that's in question.
.
.
I have made polyprop dust ignite without much effort at all!
It's burn rate is VERY fast!

148 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:47:04pm

107 Bob's Kid

Thanks... but remember, you have "peaches and cream" skin..

149 mattm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:47:10pm

RoP?

150 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:47:47pm

#122 reaganite
#132 Havoc
Huh. That's interesting.

151 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:48:09pm
I have made polyprop dust ignite without much effort at all!
It's burn rate is VERY fast!

Ah, Rebtex, our little resident pyro.

If you invite him over be sure to not leave the matches out!

152 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:48:39pm

vero
It ain't a religion...it's an excuse to act like a [bigoted word].

153 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:48:39pm

#137 Transferthem

I wish they'd start killing leftists

It will happen sooner than we think: the invaders hate the lack of morality of the "West" and they call "West" anything connected with movies, TV, etc.

It will be fun.

The filth column is hanging ( beheading, stoning, shredding, etc.) itself.

154 Mafia Princess  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:50:14pm

#152 RebTex

I posted this on the other thread, but since you are here and not there...

{RebTex!}

Good to hear the horse trading is going well.

Now, about those pyro-tendencies of yours... ;-)

155 Ronit  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:50:37pm

#90 Semper Fi

Regarding Feminists supporting Palestinians.

Here in Toronto, we have a Feminists bookstore downtown. They seem to see the poor Palestinians as an oppressed people and Jews, I guess as rich white folks.

I hear they had a Jewish and Palestinian Passover Seder there.

excerpt:
TORONTO - A local doctor says he has purchased his last book from the Toronto Women's Bookstore.
Dr. Ari Zaretsky, the head of the cognitive behaviour therapy clinic at Sunnybrook & Women's College Health Sciences Centre and an assistant professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto, says on a recent visit to the Harbord Street store, he was enraged to find pro-Palestinian buttons on display at the front counter.
The buttons - for sale in a separate display from other buttons - are arranged under a sign that reads "End the Occupation Buttons $2."
There are several buttons, some of which say "Free Palestine - Time for Peace Time for Women;" "End the Occupation Now;" and "Palestine - Homeland Denied."
"The framing is in feminist language, but when we read between the lines, the mindset is that Israel oppresses the Palestinians," Zaretsky said.


Go to the link and see the picture

Toronto Women's Bookstore

156 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:51:26pm
Thanks... but remember, you have "peaches and cream" skin..

Thanks, but I'd rather have the creamed coffee look!

:)

I have this strangely olive-toned complection that baffles everyone...dead fish belly white if I am out of the sun, but it's got that weird yellow undertint that makes me look...well, something other than UK.

157 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:51:32pm
158 Cronos  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:54:03pm

Europe basically drink poison when they decided to allow people from the middle-east to live with them. Too bad multi-culturalism and political correctness destroyed their immune system.

Can Europe survive?

159 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:54:15pm

#150 J.D.

Ever hear of a place called Dresden ?

Depending on who's neighborhood is the target, it has the intended effect of eliminating all the housing with 3,000 degree firestorm. G_d have mercy on any poor soul caught in it.

160 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:54:28pm

{*{MAFIA PRINCESS}*}
I don't have tendancies!
Just experiences!

161 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:55:07pm

#142 TotallySirius

...levee would call for low velocity explosives like TNT or Amytol.

Actually, the best would be dynamite or even better, ANFO.

162 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:55:27pm

158-cronos
Interesting way of putting that.

163 Mafia Princess  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:55:59pm

#160 RebTex

Then I'll be sure to keep the matches hidden when you and the RebTexes come visitin'

;-)

164 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:56:37pm
#145 tedster

Can anybody find any mention whatsoever in the mainstream media? This outrage is outrageous, but the lack of outrage is even more outrageous.

Excuse me, but the LSM have more important stories to cover, like the ongoing adventures of Mama Moonbat.

/by the way, now that she's reached the pinnacle by gettting arrested, what will she do for an encore, how will she top that, will she just fade quietly back into obscurity now?

165 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:58:44pm

#159 Havoc
Dresden...Dresden...
Of course I've heard of Dresden!
Havoc! What kind of question is that?

166 crabtree  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:59:12pm

Yes, the Pakistani community was SHOCKED, just SHOCKED!

Isn't it interesting--feminists supporting the group that oppresses women more than any other. Of course if the evil McHitler Bush tried to impose a CHRISTIAN "theocracy" with rules against women taken from the ROPers, the same feminists would positively swoon with hysteria. But then no one ever said moonbats are capable of coherent thought.

167 Mafia Princess  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:59:21pm

#161 reaganite & #142 TotallySirius

...levee would call for low velocity explosives like TNT or Amytol.
Actually, the best would be dynamite or even better, ANFO.

Are you guys talking about that article on NewsMax wherein Louis Farakan said the government blew the levees to wipe out poor black people, to save white people's houses?

linky

168 facp  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 5:59:39pm

J.D & Reganite looks like concrete burns at
1,832 degrees. I'm guessing Thats F not C.

Researcher examines damage to concrete walls in tunnel fires
Denise Brehm, News Office
April 14, 1999


Fires in long traffic tunnels are rare. But when they occur, they tend to burn long and hot, inflicting damage on the concrete walls that requires months of closure and costs millions of dollars in economic loss.

At least 40 people died in the March 24 fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel connecting France with Italy, which burned for two days and reached a temperature of 1,832 degrees.

MIT

169 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:18pm

Do we, as human beings, want to go forward into the future carrying this s**t with us?

Wipe them out.

170 gymnast  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:20pm

Seems like the Paki shooter is having a real assimilation problem adapting to the laws in a Western country. What is the Muslim Student Association going to discuss with the Imams and Muslim community? Danish gun laws and shariah killing methods? A Ramadan amnesty for the guy? That he killed his only sister so it won't happen again?

171 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:24pm

incredible coverage on CNN

they get an A+ from me for both hurricanes.

now covering the abandoned parish of plaquemine.

melancholy.

i was in delcambre today, and the coffins are out of the ground and on the streets. glad someone dragged themover to the side.

172 strictnein  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:44pm

Just a screw driver and an empty room with this guy. That's all I want.

Philips preferably.

173 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:57pm

The Pakistanis just can't seem to stay out of trouble.

Pakistanis from England blew up a bar in Tel Aviv.

Pakistanis from England blew up London's subways.

What the hell is wrong with Pakistanis?

174 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:00:59pm

#157 Iron Fist

Display or hard use, this cutting tool is built for business.

I know you like it all to be "Up Close and Personal" but one'sy two-sie is just too slow.

When things really get underway to de-house, for an
Industrial sized job, you need industrial sized tools.

175 geezer  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:01:35pm

just a thought. When this coward blows himself up and goes to paradise I hope that each of his 72 virgins is a clone of his sister complete with bullet holes. Who was it that said ther's something rotten in Denmark.

176 Luigi  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:01:57pm

The MSM has given this virtually no coverage.

177 TotallySirius  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:02:08pm

#147 RebTex

I'm not really sure what Calypso Louis was talking about whether it was burned concrete or concrete with burn marks or concrete that had been in a fire/high temp environment.

If indeed he was speaking about burned concrete,I'd be very suspicious.

Anyone with enough pyrotechics knowledge would know exactly what explosive to use for which purpose.

My very limited knowledge says they(the phantom demo crew) would have to have been professionals and therefore would know that high velocity explosives would bounce off or just punch a small hole in the concrete,directional explosives would just punch a hole but to really destroy a large hard target with shock absorbing water behind it would require a slower explosive like TNT or Amytol(ammonium nitrate and fuel oil).

Actually its a moot point until Farrakhan answers the question: "Where is the evidence?".

Army lab my ass,IMO this is just a way to cover his ass if anyone demands proof,he can say it was a conspiracy and they(Government) destroyed or "lost" the evidence.

I gut tells me this is all bullshit and just more race baiting by a proven race hustler.

178 Carl B  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:02:31pm

Yes, shocked - shocked I tell you! The religion of peace and tranquility and brotherly love and harmony and tolerance and dialog...

and the religion that celebrates beheadings and suicide bombers and airplanes destroying thousands and genocide and murder of babies. Who'd a thought...

179 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:03:31pm

sorry, that was OT-

wasn't even looking to see the topic

180 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:03:35pm

Rebtex
Top of the hour ABC news says mosquitos on a rampage. Are you guys squito proof?

181 On the Mark  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:04:02pm

All part of the culture...of peace?

182 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:04:43pm

All I know is the Fire Marshall considers concrete non-combustible.
This, for me, is A Good Thing.
/Martha

183 Cronos  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:04:43pm

# 162

Well if it wasn't for political correctness then Europeans could discuss the issue of immigration more openly without fear of being labeled a racist. They could also have discussed the role of Islam in these sorts of attacks.

Maybe they could even have discussed the difficult question of whether or not certain people are unable to function in Western society.

Atleast that's my opinion.

184 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:08:13pm

TotallySirius
farrakhan is an off-based liar.
He feels the need to make himself look larger than he really is.
Hell, I'd bet his shavin' mirror says " Objects are larger than they appear".

185 facp  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:08:42pm

Islam the relegion of PIECE. BANG BANG!
As in I'm Carring a Piece.

186 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:09:04pm

Our common heritage as human beings will usually allow us to at least conceive of, though not condone, the practices that offend us in other cultures. We can find analogs in our own heritage, or impulses that are given freer rein in a different setting, or extreme examples among less enlightened members of our own societies.

"Honor killing" is an exception. There is a complete disconnect over this practice, a yawning chasm over which we cannot see.

In the west, if a young woman gets pregnant out of wedlock, and if her male relatives are exceptionally violent and backward, it might happen that they would kill the man involved; but one would have to look very hard for examples of the woman herself being killed.

A few years ago, the 30 year old unmarried sister of a friend became pregnant out of wedlock.

It was a fairly familiar story in rural Texas: She was a teacher in a small town, the father was a lout who coached at her school. He hastened out of town and abandoned all pretense of responsibility, even though my friend's sister did not particularly want to marry him.

My friend, a clinical psychologist, asked my advice:

"Jimmy, you know more about this primeval social stuff than I do. Since this shit got my sister pregnant and ran off, I'm supposed to hunt him down and, like, kill him now, right? What's the rule here? How does that work?"
"Nah, since he's such a loser and she doesn't want to marry him anyway, I think it'd be ok just to neuter him."
"Better late than never, I guess."
"You could also shoot off one of his kneecaps if you really feel like it."
"Good plan, poetic justice for running away so fast. Slow him down at the dance hall, too."

To us it was a joke, to millions around the world it is deadly serious. We live in strange times, like a temporally displaced science fiction milieu, with many eras existing side by side.

187 Mike Charlie  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:09:33pm

I know it's fun to point fingers at the evil crimes of others, but the same kinda things happen here too.

Female murder victims in the US are more often than not, murdered by a lover or family member.
A woman is raped in the US every 2 minutes.

I don't think that the lives of American women are worth any less than those of Muslim women.

188 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:09:45pm

Bonz
We have bats.
Skeeters are at a distince dis-advantage.
.
.
.
.
J.D.
Back off Martha!
I kinda like her!

189 Cornholio  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:09:55pm

Disgusting.

190 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:11:24pm

Totally Sirius & Rebtex

So did Farrakahn say what he really wanted to say... that the Jews blew up the levees in New Orleans?

191 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:11:41pm

#187 Mike Charlie
FOAD Troll

192 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:12:18pm

"Concrete is rated as a fireproofing cover for steel, 2 in. being considered sufficient for a 4 hr. protection of normal fire heat. Yet intense fires have been known to cause serious damage to concrete structures."

From the book "Construction Falure" published by Wiley.

193 abolitionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:13:33pm

So long as it's only muslim-on-muslim violence, we're all safe, right?

I do recall some passages in my copy of the Karnage(tm) about killing infidels being the most honorable thing allahThem can do, but surely there's nothing to be alarmed about.

After all, there's strength in numbers, so allahThem would never dare try anything so stupid as hurting allahUS sons of pigs and monkeys.

And even tho I don't know for sure what a dhimmi or infidel is, I just know it must be something really bad. A deeply religious guy I heard on NPR said so.

/obligatory sarcasm tag for benefit of our PC fascists

194 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:13:35pm

"Failure" PIMF

195 melachiro  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:14:11pm

#176 Luigi

'Honour killing' inspires reflection among Pakistanis

Inspires reflection on what? Not doing it in friggin' public next time? No hope whatsoever, we will be fighting in our streets within the decade...glad I stocked up on the 7.62 x 39, great for inner city ROP cleansing.

196 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:14:32pm

Hey Charlie,

You are a fool.

197 not neo just conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:15:46pm

Denmark has no death penalty and strict gun control laws.

when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

198 Mike Charlie  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:16:06pm

#191 reaganite

LGF Dictionary;

Troll n.

1) Anyone who doesn't toe the party line.
2) Anyone who says things I don't understand.

199 Cognosus  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:16:19pm
cultural phenomenon blah blah

That reminds me of the well-known story: During the Imperial times, a British officer came across a sutee, where the Hindus would burn a widow to death on her dead husband's funeral pyre. A Hindu came up to the officer and said, "This is the custom in our country."

The Brit (an ancestor of Churchill's, no doubt) replied: "We have a custom in my country, too: we hang chaps who do this sort of thing."

Regarding the feminism thing, I remember a quote by a feminist on that subject: "But is it relevant that I, an outsider, find the practice abhorrent? As hard as it may be for me to say so, the answer is no. I" have no right to proclaim that my culture is superior to any other, etc.

200 gymnast  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:16:39pm

#187, Mike Charlie. I think I am missing something in your comparitive analysis. What are you really trying to say?

201 jcm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:03pm

Mike Charles

Get a clue.

Honor killing is endorsed by the religion and the community of Islam.

It happens regularly in the Arab Muslim countries with no consequences to murders. This time it happen in a western country trying to appease the same radical Islamist, and thus is news worthy.

There is no comparison to the US where killing and raping are universally condemned, and much time and resources expended to catch, prosecute, convict, jail or execute rapist and murderers.

Any comparison is simply reprehensible. Cure your cranial rectal inversion then come back and talk.

202 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:10pm

Shakespear said "There is something rotten in Denmark." In Hamlet.

203 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:20pm

#198 Mike Charlie
What part of FOAD didn't you understand?

204 jaybird  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:29pm

#187 Mike Charlie

Nice try, but you're overlooking something. Nobody excuses, covers for, or demands tolerance for murderers and rapists in the US. Well, on second thought, maybe the ACLU. They'll support coddling any criminal, provided the criminal votes Democrat. But other than the ACLU, nobody excuses, covers for, or demands tolerance for murderers and rapists in the US. So you've got what's known as a straw man argument going on there.

205 Scotch  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:35pm

Cong in the wire!

206 mich-again  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:40pm

re: Farakhan

He is a radical. So to understand his tactics, read about Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. This one appears to be Farakhan's favorite...

The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
207 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:17:51pm

OT

For your Tuesday night entertainment, it's Moonbat Movie Time.

Thanks to the good folks over at The Peoples Cube.

208 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:18:04pm

#188 RebTex
I'm not giving Martha a hard time.

I'm sorry about your house, and glad you all got through it intact otherwise.

I didn't realize you'd just had an emergency appendectomy. Ouch! I had an inadvertant appendectomy once...

209 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:18:54pm
210 not neo just conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:20:29pm

#209 Iron Fist

With a what? CS... Ummm, Chain Saw? Ouch.

211 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:21:23pm

J.D.
I was just kiddin' about Martha!
.
.
.
The appendectomy turned ugly because I tried to wait it out.
I can't imagine inadvertantly goin' through it, though!

212 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:22:24pm

#187 Mike Charlie
Nice non sequitur. This was essentially a hit...contract killing. The part about rape doesn't apply

213 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:22:39pm

207 Desert Sage

You always take the monkey's side.

214 facp  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:22:46pm

I think Honor Killing would be a hellfire missle shot up the A Hole of Osama

215 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:22:51pm

Well, time to hit the hay.
You all have a good one.

chain saw? ooo.

216 macofromoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:23:18pm

When the Jews leave Palestine the honour killings will stop...

217 Toby Petzold  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:23:56pm

Subhuman garbage.

218 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:24:41pm

#187 Mike Charlie


Female murder victims in the US are more often than not, murdered by a lover or family member.


So what are you doing about it Pal ?

Gun is an effective deterrant against rape

Woman's alcohol consumption the most significant risk factor.
219 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:06pm

Mike Charlie.

Post examples of non-Muslim women being murdered in this country because their pregnancy shamed their families, or because they chose husbands who failed to pay the bride price.
Confine yourself to those cases where the family as a whole, not just a deranged perpetrator, condoned the murder.
Produce some numerical analysis to show how common this is. Give some examples of major institutions, churches for example, condoning this practice.
If you can do all of this, we will talk equivalency.
Btw, you don't get to define terms, and you reveal your real allegiance by making such an authoritarian presumption.

220 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:15pm

171-Bayou King

delcambre...coffins are out of the ground and on the streets

So sad. We're all but prayed out for these and other people in these ravaged areas.

As for you, BK. I know how this is going to sound and I am unembarrassed to say it, but you are a Louisiana asset.
Its so unusual to witness somebody with so much soul, heart, drive and resource make the effort(s) that you have. Kathleen Bunko could take lessons in taking real, compassionate action from you. Hell! Rudy Giulliani needs work to match what you have done for the folks of this state (uh, and Texas) who have met with less than fortune...and expect nothing in return.

If I ever get the opportunity, the drinks are on me.

221 ArcherB  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:22pm

What do you expect from a culture that has little or no value on human life.

I'm sorry. I hate to generalize, but I see more muslems bitching about us liberating Iraq than I ever saw them even mention the be-handings, beheadings and rapes. That, evidently, was OK.

222 J.D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:33pm

#211 RebTex
They used to take your appendix out as a matter of course when you had a c-section.
I don't know whether they still do it, as that was during the Dark Ages...

Nite y'all.

223 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:37pm

Mike Charlie

Where do we say that American women's lives are less important? Perhaps you should be asking, why is this young woman and her husband being shot by her brother?

I am a Latina and honor is very important in my culture, and yet my brothers would not kill me to avenge some "honor" in our family. Do you see the distinction?

224 gymnast  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:25:51pm

#209, Iron Fist. That is really a politically incorect suggestion. Their is a gas shortage, you know? A sheetrock saw would be an equally effective, far less air and noise poluting if somewhat slower tool for the tool to use for the job.

225 not neo just conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:26:31pm

#218 Havoc

You mean the solution isn't stricter gun control laws? Whodathunkit?

226 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:27:37pm

Bubble Girl

You always take the monkey's side.

OK, I don't know what that means.
Is it good or bad?

227 mich-again  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:27:41pm

187 Mike Charlie

Female murder victims in the US are more often than not, murdered by a lover or family member.

Its likely you're just spouting (as in making up a statistic) but assuming you are right, how many of these murders involve a conspiracy of the parents using one of their sons to kill his sister. This time, don't spout. Find a link. This isn't the message board at the Village Voice. We actually want to see a link.

(I'll queue the crickets for you...)

228 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:27:55pm

#223 Bubble Girl

Do you see the distinction?

Click his football, he makes nodroG look rational.

229 not neo just conservative  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:27:57pm

Hate to post and run, but it's past my bedtime. 'Night all.

230 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:27:59pm

Mike Charlie

When I worked an inner city ER... of all the shooting victims I treated, none were attempted family honor killings...

231 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:28:09pm

e4c

sorry i haven't called you - will call you soon!

let's go get that drink!

thanks for the hurricane updates.

how was the hurricane wedding?

232 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:28:35pm

177-Totally

"race hustler" says it all.

233 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:29:20pm

islamofascists kill their own
latinos protect their own

big difference

234 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:30:09pm

226 Desert Sage

The monkey and Kramer mix it up at the zoo...

235 Havoc  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:30:17pm

reaganite --

Ann says she wants one real bad ... not a Grolsch or a .40 springfield xd.

She wants this.

She put in a good word for you.

236 TotallySirius  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:30:36pm

#232 energyforcapital

"race hustler" says it all.

Exactly

237 aRedPhishHead  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:31:12pm

Disgusting. Typical.

238 Cronos  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:31:36pm

I guess Mike Charlie decided to leave

239 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:32:33pm

#231 Bayou_King

Well, I made it back to LaBelle, it’s a good news/bad news thing. The bad news is my home is totaled, Rita knocked the north end the house three feet to the east and off the blocks. The wind tore the roof off the master bath, master bedroom, kitchen and half the living room. The good news is the library and computer room had zero damage. I should be able to salvage about 90 percent of the contents of the entire house. It looks like the roof blew off after the heavy rain as there is almost no water damage. (Thank you St. Jude) As an added plus I have a great view of the night sky while lying in bed. Actually I’m at mom and dad’s, the water supply is working here in Hamshire, and dad managed to locate his generator. So we are comfortable sharing the only room that just so happens to have a window unit.

240 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:33:37pm

#235 Havoc

She wants this.

LOL, if I could get her to use the line on her putter, all would be right in the world...

241 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:34:15pm

Bayou King

Yes, Latinos protect their own. Islam extremists might have a hard time living in a barrio.

242 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:34:50pm

Bayou King

It (the wedding) was the highlight of the whole weekend. We went back to the wedded household wherein the groom cooked up the b*tchinest pork steak dinner w/rice I have ever eaten. I STUFFED myself (carbs, oh yaaay)!
Would have been better w/o the sore throat, but we had a blast otherwise.

Glad to know you're home safe. Jeeze! What slows you down, anyway? Kryptonite? Take a breath for cryinoutloud!

/jealuos admiration...wife is shaking head at all of the sycophantry, now...

243 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:35:13pm

Bordm

Wow... glad to see you!

244 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:35:20pm

#239 Bordm
Man, I'm sorry to hear about your home. Let us know what we can do to help.

245 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:35:44pm

Bubble Girl

The monkey and Kramer mix it up at the zoo...

If I remember correctly, the monkey started it...

246 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:35:52pm

I have a hypothesis about current styles of misleading rhetoric.
Lefty cranks (most of them, that is) typically prefer to create false equivalencies; conservative cranks (the Hate Hillary Cult, for instance) create false distinctions.
"We are as bad as the Taliban" on the one hand, "Ken Starr was nothing like the Clarence Thomas inquisitors" on the other.

But then, we have the word of Mary Mapes and other media authorities that my involvement and standing here at LGF make me a Bible- thumping wingnut by something resembling divine edict.

247 yournamehere  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:36:22pm

Jeez...
chris matthews and Calypso Louis mentioned in the same thread !

Too much for me...I'm goin' to bed...

248 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:36:26pm

I want one of these.

249 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:36:49pm

About twenty years ago, I was traveling in Europe. Copenhagen had this deal where you could stay in a spare room in a private room for cheaper than it would cost to stay in a hotel. So I was staying in the home of a woman who worked in the city government. And her big issue -- what she wanted to talk about most -- was immigration. She said the country was being inundated with welfare-seeking foreigners who were increasing the crime rate. To an outsider, Copenhagen looked almost completely white in those days. As a lifelong local, however, this lady could see the changes. She particularly warned me to stay away from Peruvian street musicians. She said they always played in public squares and had their friends sneak around in the crowd pickpocketing hapless spectators. At the time, this sounded shocking to me. How could she say something that sounded so ... r-r-r-r-r-racist?

250 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:37:05pm

245 Desert Sage

Kramer had to apologize to the monkey ~~

251 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:38:05pm

#250 Bubble Girl

Worlds are colliding...

252 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:38:45pm

Bordm


YAAAEEESSS!

dude,
sounds like you made out as well as could conceivably expected, considering your location!

that is GREAT NEWS!

(sounds weird, saying that to someone missing a roof LOL)

did you try to call me? phones are still blinky..

so what exactly do you need?

the lizards have been donating money, so let's hear it!

253 Geepers  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:39:27pm

Mike Charlie (#198),

LGF Dictionary;

Troll n.

1) Anyone who doesn't toe the party line.
2) Anyone who says things I don't understand.

Um yeah, no. zombie compiled the LGF Dictionary.

The entry for "Troll" states:

troll - Unwelcome, offensive, stupid or abusive commenter on a blog, chat room, user group or BBS. Common Internet slang dating back to the early days of the Web in the '90s and BBSs in the '80s.

Guess you kinda tried to bullshit your way through that one huh?

And in fact the LGF FAQ page specifically addresses the issue.

Q. So is a troll just someone who disagrees with the LGF party line?

A. No. A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate. Some signs that a poster is a troll:

- Dodges questions from other posters
- Refuses to give sources
- When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts

Let's see, bullshitter, troublemaker, not interested in honest debate.

Yup, you're a troll.

254 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:40:46pm

so... bordm... if i get you a generator, do you want to camp in your house and look at the stars? how is the electrical?

maybe we could check out your videodisc movies again ;-)

255 foreign devil  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:41:26pm

From the Danish report translated into English:

"...The Organisation of Pakistani Students and Academics intends to discuss the practice during an upcoming debate forum, according to the organisation's chairman Qasam Nazir.

"'Many (Pakistanis, ed) are very disappointed that this problem has again appeared in contemporary Denmark,' said Nazir...." [emphasis added]

Well...don't rush out and schedule an emergency meeting of the whole community or anything rash and impetuous. Let's be civilized and schedule it 'during a nice upcoming debate forum...sort of slip it in just before we break for lunch or something. And of course, we're all shocked, shocked that this problem has surfaced again in contemporary Denmark. I mean it's bad enough that it's surfaced at all...but AGAIN...in Denmark? In 2005? It was alright in Pakistan and Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia LAST YEAR, but THIS YEAR? IN DENMARK? Not Cool! What will people SAY ABOUT US? THAT WHAT'S IMPORTANT! WHAT WILL PEOPLE SAY!

256 realwest  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:41:49pm

#47 Stop Hillary #47 - from the article you cited, the muslims ASYLUM SEEKERS in NORWAY, insist that Muslims eat first, no one is to be allowed to wear shorts, and that everyone pray to Allah. It says cops have to be called in at least twice a week, 10 cops at a time, to keep the peace as the Norweigens who work there are getting pissed. "UDI needs to take a stronger role at the center, and that residents who cause trouble should be moved to other centers quickly. Many of the refugees can be deported, he said, "but it can take weeks before they can be sent back where they came from, because of bureaucracy in other countries."
Well guess what, chump, if it takes weeks to have them sent back to where they came from, how about letting them spend those weeks in jail? Or in outdoor tents.
Unfuckingbelievable - you go to another country seeking political asylum because you are a muslim, and then demand preferential treatment over the citizens of that country while that country is trying to decide whether or not to grant you asylum.
Others have said it before, but I'll repeat it: there is just no way to bring Islam in the 19th century, much less the 20th or 21st; they must be physcically beaten where they start the violence or ignored to die amongst their own kind.
Please note that Norweigan is one of only four languages in which I'm not fluent, so I'm relying on the english translation.

257 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:41:58pm

(((BORDM!)))

*smootches* baby! To you and Mom and Dad!

258 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:42:16pm

#248-Sarah D

This is what I want!

259 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:43:08pm

Bordm,

OR,

come visit me in Lafayette... spare bedroom and all...

or, let's load all your stuff on the trailer and put it somewhere!

i'm all ears...

260 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:43:24pm
261 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:43:37pm

#258 no2liberals

Uh, I guess I can run him over with that.

262 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:45:06pm

Foreign devil

A debate?

Resolved: The public murder of wayward females is an acceptable means of preserving family honor, and should be so recognized by the Danish authorities.

263 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:45:17pm

#243 Bubble Girl

Thanks sweetie, I've been kinda busy lately.

#244 reaganite

Thanks, it’s appreciated. Actually, I’m happier then a pig in a manure pile. When I locked the door as I evacuated, I said good-bye to the place. I figured it would be obliterated, the house is a loss, but my stuff survived. I can find another house. :-)

264 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:46:10pm

#240 reaganite
The problem women have when putting is they try to put like men. Their center of gravity is lower. Have her line up the put, then place the ball off the tip of her left shoe(assuming she is right handed) and place her weight on her left leg. Then all she has to do is smoothly swing thru the ball. The ball will go left until she gets used to it. Once she does she'll sink them.

265 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:46:19pm

Bordm

Dude! I can't imagine what you, and other's in your area must be going through.

266 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:46:51pm

#260 Ringo the Gringo

Wow, you nailed him!

Four times!

267 wanumba  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:47:44pm

Why We Fight.

268 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:48:30pm

#261-Sarah D.

That would be a way of outrunning him. Need something else if you want him to go splat!

269 cracker_jones  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:48:33pm

260 Ringo
You sure know how to ruin a moral equivalency argument. Cha-ching.

270 melachiro  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:48:55pm

awww, wanted to see charlie respond before turning in but, it appears his mommy put him ni-night first.

Night all

271 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:49:17pm

#268 no2liberals

I don't plan on running. Period.

272 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:50:23pm

we were truly blessed.

all lizards were handed the best outcome possible, given their locations...pending word from 'Nam Grunt

thank you everyone for your prayers, support, and understanding for one month of hurricane talk, and for just being there.

y'all are the best...

:-)

:-)


:-)

273 DANEgerus  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:50:29pm

Holland? Meet Denmark.

Van Gogh just rolled over in his grave.

274 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:51:16pm

Bordm
Good to see Ya'll back!

275 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:52:04pm

Charles has apparently eased up a little and let a few of the left's Master-baiters slip in to try their feeble powers against the assembled might of the lizardoid multitudes.

I, for one, am glad to see this. For a while there, our unslaked lust for Moonbat blood and gamey buttocks had us snapping at each other.

276 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:52:15pm

For all the lizard's from the Houston area, or are familiar with it, a new evac plan was announced today.
Below please find Houston 's evacuation plan.

Much better organized than New Orleans.

City officials just announced the Houston Hurricane Evacuation Plan:

Hispanics use Rt.-59 Southwest to Reynosa

Cajuns use I-10 East to Lafayette

Rednecks use 59 North to East Texas

Republicans fly Continental to Washington DC

Longhorns use 290 West to Austin

Aggies use 610 Loop

Yankees and Democrats use 45 South to Galveston

277 reaganite  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:53:38pm

#264 bonz
I can't say a word, she's sitting next to me!

278 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:54:05pm

Excuse my language.

279 Catttt  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:54:18pm

May she rest in peace, and my sympathies for her husband.

This is horrible, but are we surprised? I'm not even surprised that we have live pics (though I am curious who took the pics - does the Danish story say?).

I wonder - was this purely a family issue (honey, go kill your sister), was it madrassa-related (I'm home from Paki and ready to kill my sister) or Imam related (go kill your sister)? Anything in the Danish story?

What a great religion - women die for falling in love and getting married or for dressing wrong. Men get to whip their little weiners into a different ho every week as a "temporary wife" and are encouraged to gang rape women. They disgust me. I am visualizing collectively kneeing all of them in their collective shrunken balls.

280 foreign devil  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:54:39pm

bordm:

I'm so sorry about your home but glad you can salvage most of your things. Glad the computer was spared and your records. Funny how the wind would take the wall off a building in some town and leave boxes of card files intact right next to the wall. Not a lid off one of the boxes. That was one image I saw. It simply sheered the wall off the building leaving everything inside looking like a dolls house and one room must have been a file room with all these boxes in neat stacks and they were all perfect. Very surreal.

Well, you've got a friend there obviously in B.K. and he'll help you. You people are to be commended for enduring so much. We'll try to help as much as we can. Let B.K. know what you need. Do y'all want me to send a drywall saw tomorrow?

281 Mike C.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:54:59pm

RebTex

How are things progrssing (or not) ? Is your place repairable or is it tear down time ?

282 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:55:22pm

#276 no2liberals

...and who goes to San Antonio via I-10?

simple...that would be the party people!

283 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:55:40pm

#260 Ringo

Bravo!
Four words for a knockout punch, a superb example of concise fisking.

284 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:56:01pm

#252 Bayou_King

did you try to call me?

Yes, a couple of times, not to worry, I'll get a hold of you in the next day or so.

so what exactly do you need?

Actually, can't think of anything. I think we got it covered so far. We got that Texas/Cajun thing going on in this neck of the woods.


#254 Bayou_King

LOL, nah, save the generators for the folks who need them.

285 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:56:10pm

OT - Anyone notice what Israel's been doing in the last few days?

Israel has rounded up almost 400 Hamas and Islamic Jihad guys (including Hamas election candidates) while also breaking their buildings.

Israel has broken one of Fatah's big buildings and also the Gaza PFLP headquarters.

Israel isn't killing people - she's wrecking their infrastructure and rounding up Hamas to keep them from doing anything else nasty.

The Hamas strategy was going to be kidnapping - they already kidnapped and killed one Israeli in the past week.

Israel is rounding them up so that they won't be able to do stuff like this anymore.

Interesting strategy.

The terrorists are insisting that they will behave themselves, but Israel keeps rounding them up anyway.

The Paleos are now completely confused.

286 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:56:26pm

239-bordm

Thoughts and prayers to you. Glad you made it through with your health. Also glad to see you have such great support.
Mama and I hope all goes well with the recovery.

287 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:58:45pm

Mike C
I'm a complete do-over.
With the mold setin' in, we'll be in the shop by the weeks end.

288 bonz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:58:46pm

#277 reaganite
hehe >whistles while he fades away

289 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:58:58pm

mike c.

speaking for RebTex,

looks like tear-down time...

290 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 6:59:35pm

#257 Sarah D.

Mom, dad and of course I say *smootches* and *hugs* back at you

291 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:00:41pm

#271-Sarah D.

Maybe this?

292 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:02:09pm

bordm...

and you're NOT a person who needs the generator?

what if you put blue tarps over the top & seal them tight... can you stay in your place for awhile?

293 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:03:26pm

#291 no2liberals

Better :)

294 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:04:19pm

#282-John Schneider

I think the 'party people' would all stop in LaGrange!

295 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:05:25pm

So...We need to hear from Nam Grunt & Annelid.
We find them & we're all accounted for!

296 Locrian  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:05:39pm

Bury islam...cult of garbage

297 Geepers  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:06:00pm

DesertSage (#207),

Thanks for the link.

Got to talk to the owner of The Peoples Cube at the "Support the Troops" rally last weekend in Washington. Interesting guy.

298 farmer of truth  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:06:11pm

If any good can come of this, watch for some hard right turns in more You'rapeon countries.

Ie, Poland, Germany , Fwance, Italy etc...

299 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:06:21pm
300 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:06:49pm

#265 no2liberals

Well, you know how us analog guys are! We just deal with it by firing up the BBQ pit and cooking everything before it goes bad. Then you feed everyone you can find. No use in letting that stuff go to waste.

301 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:06:56pm

i am wondering about 'Nam Grunt.. one would think he would have found a computer to check in... not worried about him, but wondering.

302 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:08:14pm

#272 Bayou_King

AMEN, my friend!

303 abolitionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:08:44pm

#106 energyforcapital

As to the point of your (#45 post), there is nothing cultural about this kind of action; rather, its more like living evidence of a society totally bereft of culture. This is more a people seeking barbarity, brutality and chaos...er, in the name of "what's his name".

Disagree. I think it's just one dimension of many refinements (if that's the right word) in the centuries-old islamic war machine.

When it is culturally acceptable to kill a mother, a sister or daughter for "honor", how much of a moral barrier can there be against killing sons of pigs and monkeys, or fellow muslims who has "gone astray"? Zero.

It's Pussy Control, certainly, but it's more than that. It's conditioning.

304 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:08:46pm

#294 no2liberals

I think the 'party people' would all stop in LaGrange!

yeah, but only for about 20 minutes a person...or maybe 3 people...

/Uncle Ernie

305 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:10:11pm

#293-Sarah D.

Or you could get one of these, and then use this.

306 cicero05  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:11:23pm

Barbarians

307 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:11:29pm

#274 RebTex

I was glad to hear that all of yours are safe and sound.

308 Orson Buggy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:11:52pm

#187 Mike Charlie

Fuck off you equivocating pile of shit. I'd wager that counting SLAVES, a woman gets raped in the islamic countries every nanosecond. Besides, this woman wasn't raped. She was killed by her own fucking brother. I don't see how you can live with yourself making excuses for these shit assed muslims.

IMO, your kind are lower than snake shit.

309 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:12:25pm

#279 Cattt

They disgust me. I am visualizing collectively kneeing all of them in their collective shrunken balls.

I'm thinking splitting maul.

310 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:13:35pm

#300-Bordm

I know, it just sucks! I hate to see y'all have your lives upended like that. So much uncertainty. Words are little comfort, but know that I sincerely wish you the best, and a speedy return to normalcy.

311 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:13:40pm

#305 no2liberals

I have better things in mind. Think garrote and gonads.

312 Catttt  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:14:12pm

187 Mike Charlie

You sound foolish for falling for a relativistic argument and ignorant for misapplying it.

Crime happens for a variety of reasons. People murder, people rape.

This is different. Islam not only condones murder and rape - it DEMANDS it, internalizes it as part and parcel of their society.

In the USA, a sister might be murdered by a criminal or evil brother, but you'll have trouble finding a non-Muslim murder that was done for family honor, often for such "dishonorable" things as wearing the wrong clothes or marrying the wrong guy or even for something another family member did. Gang rapes happen in the USA, but you'll have a hell of a time finding a USA gang rape that was done because the woman's brother went on a walk with a girl or because the pastor/rabbi/high priestess ordered it. If you are less ignorant than you sound, then you'll know I'm not making these examples up - the international news is full of these incidents.

313 Orson Buggy  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:15:05pm

#198 Mike Charlie

3. Any dumbshit who thinks a rapist is equal to a man killing his sister in the streets. You are fucking pathetic.

314 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:15:08pm

285 rightasrain

The Paleos are now completely confused.

That's what happens when you change something on a non-adaptive system.

315 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:15:57pm

#304-John Schneider

Yeah, but the 12 hr party before, and the 24 hr party after would make it a worthwhile stop.

316 nadz  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:16:11pm

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

A discussion? How about action? How about making the man pay for his crime against this poor woman?

The truth is, the community will do nothing until women stand up and demand justice. It took the horrific murder of Sohane Benziane in Paris to get some French Muslim women to say "enough is enough". I hope Danish Muslim women do the same. I'm pessimistic, though.

Of course, most of the feminists there will avoid the issue in order to seem "culturally sensitive".

317 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:18:38pm

#315 no2liberals

Yeah, but the 12 hr party before, and the 24 hr party after would make it a worthwhile stop.


no doubt.

I'd hate to think anyone would want to drive San Antonio sober.

318 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:23:51pm

#317-John Schneider

I take it you live in S.S.

319 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:26:02pm

#311-Sarah D.

Forget all that stuff, and just do it right.

320 Mike C.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:26:32pm

RebTex

Yeah, with your roof gone and your interior soaked, I was afraid that that mold business might doom the place.

Bayou_King

I agree - one would think 'Nam would have been able to get to an internet connection by now. Wondering is starting to ease over into worrying territory.

321 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:27:17pm

#276 no2liberals

Now that's just too funny! I had to save it to send to some friends.

#280 foreign devil

Thank you for the offer, so far it looks like we have it under control. If anything comes up that we can't handle I'll let y'all know.

#286 energyforcapital

Thank you

#292 Bayou_King

I don't HAVE to stay at my place, I can stay at my parents. I'm not worried about my place being looted. My cousin is at one end of the street and Melvin is at the other. They are both praying some looter is dumb enough to try our street. They both have backhoes, no body, no inquest.

322 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:27:53pm

During the storm, the only radio station we could get was ...
1200AM San Antonio

323 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:28:47pm

#318 no2liberals

I take it you live in S.S.

that would be SSA (Searing San Antonio)

324 Ben F  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:29:01pm

Not religious conduct at all? We Lizardoids know better.

The King of Jordan, to his credit, has repeatedly introduced bills in his legislature to increase the penalty for honor killings. The mullahs and imams have always been able to secure the defeat of these legal reforms, on the ground that they are unIslamic.

Note that, as rightasrain points out, some Christians living in Arab lands have absorbed these cultural values. Is Europe next?

325 Catttt  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:29:19pm
326 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:30:51pm

#319 no2liberals

That would work. Locked and loaded.

327 freedomplow  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:31:41pm

Christopher Shays

Is not welcome. Get out!

328 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:32:29pm

303-abolitionist

Stripped of the emotion I was feeling at the moment I posted that comment, I think we pretty much have said the same thing.
I apologize, but I'm not in much of a mood to ascribe anything approaching the designation 'refinement' to this kind of behavior.
I do respect clarification in all sincerity.

e4c

329 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:33:11pm

#310 no2liberals

Hey thanks, but having our lives upended beats the heck out of having it ended. Upended can be recovered from.

330 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:33:46pm

#321-Bordm

Glad you got a chuckle! My big bro' sent it to me.


#323-John S.

Sorry for the PIMF moment. I'm in Dallas, and it has been searing here for the past couple of weeks, and didn't get a drop of rain from Rita the Witch. My cousin fled Houston, very slowly, to get to his ranch in Blanco. He didn't think they would get there, the traffic on I-10 was thick.

331 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:35:52pm

309-e2m

I'm thinking splitting maul.

ooohoohoohooo...now we're talking!

332 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:36:44pm

#326-Sarah D

Here is another image, with specs. I prefer the .338 Lapua Mag.
/oh yeahhh

333 Bayou_King  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:38:17pm

#321 Bordm

I don't HAVE to stay at my place, I can stay at my parents. I'm not worried about my place being looted. My cousin is at one end of the street and Melvin is at the other. They are both praying some looter is dumb enough to try our street. They both have backhoes, no body, no inquest.

---

LOL!
i see you haven't lost your dark sense of humor...

so how is the vintage audio/vido equipment? big question...

334 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:39:27pm

No 2 Liberals
There's nothing that can compare ( price or useage) with the M-77 Mk2 International with good optics.

335 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:39:29pm

#330 no2liberals

Sorry for the PIMF moment

Hey, I never joined the Internet Spelling Police...

My thermometer hit 109 yesterday...at 5:00PM

All that promised rain from the hurricane?

Nada drop.

This Thursday, though, we have a cold front coming through...High's only in the 90's...

/wicked witch...

336 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:39:35pm

321-bordm

My cousin is at one end of the street and Melvin is at the other. They are both praying some looter is dumb enough to try our street. They both have backhoes, no body, no inquest.

I like your family's sensibility. Don't take this the wrong way, but what a way to take your mind off your worries, eh?

337 Locrian  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:40:52pm

Ringo the Gringo...

Well put...I hate it when these leftist turd eaters try to compare America with a bunch of scum sucking islamopigs.

338 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:40:54pm

N2L,

.300 is loud. I have one. Love it.

Not good for home defense :)

/quiet home defense that is...

339 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:41:33pm

#329-Bordm

I agree! Strange story. My best friend lives in S. Houston, near Hobby. He split on Thursday with his three boys, and his wife just stayed at the hospital, where she is a nurse. Their neighbor went to her mother's on Sat, and came home Sunday afternoon to check on things. Everything was fine, a little messy, no power, but no real damage. As she was inside, she heard a horrible crash outside. When she opened the door, a huge tree limb had center-lined her new car, putting a crease through the roof, and knocking out all the windows. Sucks!

340 jcm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:43:36pm

#187 Mike Charles

I and many of my friends still believe in defending a womans honor. It's called chivalry. That and other reasons is why we spent time training and carry. If we ever came across a rape or situation like that in Denmark we could instantaneously stop the crime.

But only in America do we have citizens armed and able to stop a crime like that in progress. In the Arab world it isn't even a crime.

My guess is that honor killings are way down in Afghanistan and Iraq.

341 Bordm  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:45:59pm

#333 Bayou_King

The doilies were still sitting on the turn table. I was flabbergasted at the lack of interior damage.

342 doubledip  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:49:18pm

'We don't know the actual background for the killing, but if there is talk of an 'honour killing', I would say there is no honour involved,' said Nazir. 'He has lost a sister, and the family must now mourn over two losses, both the daughter and the son are gone.

Note the focus on the son and family's losses, but nothing about what the woman lost --- her life, her dreams, her potential, her future.

343 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:49:45pm

#334-Reb Tex

You trying to start a scrap or sumpin'? The Ruger is a good'un, but it isn't incomparable. I'll take my Browning A-Bolt Composite Stalker, over the Ruger anyday, and I used to have a M-77 Target. I actually think the A-Bolt is a better platform to build on than the Remington M70, and I've used those as well.

344 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:53:25pm

#335-John S.

The promised cold front will be dropping us about 20degrees from Wed to Thurs. I know what will happen. I'm due to arrive at Love Field(*spit/hack/spit*)at about 7:30p.m. tomorrow evening, and will probably get delayed with the first thunderstorm in weeks.

345 Gringo  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:54:49pm

"Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked..."

Yeah, I'll bet they were! What a crock of shit...

346 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:55:12pm

No 2 Liberals
Yer ON!
Let's shoot a 30 round match!

347 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:56:11pm

#344 no2liberals

I am so ready for a day below record high's

our weather forecaster took August and September off...nobody noticed. they just kept running the same forecast over and over again...

348 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:56:49pm

#338-Sarah D.

That weren't a .300, it is their propietary .338 Lapua Magnum. It's long range performance is closer to a .50BMG, than a .30. The Brit and Canuck snipers use the AI's chambered in that round, and the Canucks performance in Afghanistan, poppin cave rat's from incredible distances, were legendary a few years ago.

349 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:58:49pm

'night all...work will call soon enough...plus I gotta play chauffeur tomorrow...

350 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 7:59:31pm

#346-Reb Tex

Cool! Mine is .300WinMag, so let's make it 15 instead. Don't need a damaged shoulder, just to prove a point.

351 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:01:20pm

#349-John S.

Night. Stay...uh..cool.

352 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:01:51pm

No 2 Liberals
I guess I should disclose...
I'm usin' 50mm Bausch & Lombe optics.

353 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:04:50pm

Sorry N2L,

I thought you meant the .300 Mag. Loud and hearty.

I actually prefer the .243 as it's lighter, but it does hurt my ears...high pitched.

Maybe I'm getting old.

354 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:05:37pm

#352-Reb Tex

Once again, cool! This new NC Star I've got, 8-24x50mm, illuminated mil-dot, works pretty darn good. I've been thinking, we may need to put some venison in your box pretty soon.

355 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:08:45pm

#353-Sarah D

I don't let none of'em hurt my ears! I always wear plugs, unless I'm shooting my .45. I keep hoping Pink Floyd will make one more tour, and I want to be able to enjoy it. I don't know your age, but yeah, your getting older, day by day, just like me.LOL.

356 no2liberals  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:10:48pm

Reb Tex

Your innard's doing okay so far? Any updates on local services?

357 yesandno  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:18:31pm

Honor Killing...

What a horrible term...

Guess that way they are always half right...

Anyone with decency would say they were all wrong.

358 a.k.a. Will  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:18:42pm

Haven't read the entire thread, so this Daniel Pipes article might already have been linked. In the article he addresses the fact that having rejected the use of sharia as a basis for arbitration in Muslim communities, Ontario must now rescind the Arbitration Act of 1991, which allowed religious based arbitration for other faiths. Pipes conclusions:

That Orthodox Jews and others might lose out points to an emerging pattern, whereby efforts to integrate Muslims into the West upset a benign status quo. Other recent examples:
* French nuns for the first time must take off their cowls for identity card or passport pictures because of anti-hijab legislation. Likewise, French schoolchildren may not wear crosses or Stars of David to class.
* Large populations – British underground riders, American airport passengers, Russian theater-goers – must undergo extensive security checks, thanks to Muslim terrorists.
* Danes marrying foreigners face extensive restrictions to bring them into Denmark because of immigration abuses (the "human visa" problem) involving Muslims.
* Santas, Nativity plays, Christmas carols, and Bibles are banned in Western countries so as not to offend Muslim sensitivities. :
Unremarked upon by most Westerners, Islam's presence has started to change their way of life.

Believing Muslims simply do not belong in free western societies. Wonder if enough westerners will realize it before it's too late.

359 Sarah D.  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:20:30pm

Do I have time to find earplugs when I'm shooting some asshole? Not.

360 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:22:05pm
361 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:23:07pm

More horrors from Pakistanis...

362 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:26:10pm

360-ringo
The difference between this and the aforementioned 'honor killing' is nothing.

363 Geepers  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:27:35pm

yesandno (#357),

They think you can restore your family's "honor" by murdering your sister, tells you all you need to know about their "culture".

364 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:27:39pm

No 2 Liberals
The innards are working OK.
It'll take a few more days to settle out all the kinks.
There are no local services.
Turns out...Thursday...just after the bank closed at 2 pm, we got a manditory evacuation notice...except we don't live in town so we didn't know.
It wouldn't have helped, anyway...HWY 87 was a parking lot & there was no gasoline to be had within 50 miles, maybe further.

365 doubledip  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:30:27pm

'Honour killing' inspires reflection

"...discuss ways of halting the practice."

"...intends to discuss the practice during an upcoming debate forum"

"'Many (Pakistanis, ed) are very disappointed that this problem has again appeared..."

"'We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, "

Where's the outrage? The anger? The demands for justice and retribution?

I see...saving that for alleged Koran desecrations.


Honour is a strange word to use.'

So are the words "inspires", "reflection", "discuss", "debate", and "disappointed" when it comes to murder.

366 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:36:08pm

365- dd

"'We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, "

channeling the movie 'the life of brian':

reg: "this calls for immediate discussion!'


/ghost-channeling the (*spit*) u.n.

367 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:37:45pm

What is this wet stuff falling out of the sky?

/drought land

368 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:40:09pm

Burbuja
Angel Tears

369 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:44:29pm

Rebtex

Angel Tears..

Sweet.

How's my amigo?

370 haakondahl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:45:14pm

Well, it looks like it's time to start raping muslim men. It won't be pleasant, but we do have standards, after all. They say they look forward to martyrdom. Make them long for it.

371 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:49:26pm

BG
We're OK
You?

372 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:55:14pm

Rebtex

Well, I have a roof over my head. It's beautiful up here, the aspen and oak brush are brilliant, reds, golds, coppers... no snow on the mountains yet.. too warm..

An elk has been bugling in the woods close to the house every day at sunrise and sunset...

The skies were clear, a deep blue, a zillion stars at night, the Milky Way, clear...

And it rained tonight.

That's about it.

373 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 8:59:37pm

BG
You're in Paradise!
I'm glad for you!

374 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:03:00pm

Rebtex

It's an exercise in relearning how to live by myself.

375 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:07:47pm

BG
Take it from someone that's done it...
Once you accept yourself,true happiness abounds!

376 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:11:51pm

375 Rebtex

This is true. I haven't even told my family or my ex what happened last week. It was hard, my Aunt died last week, I couldn't go home for her funeral in Austin.

377 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:16:02pm

BG
I am SOOO sorry.
I know you went in Spirit.
Adios, Burbuja's Tia.

378 abolitionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:18:42pm

#328 energyforcapital
Yes, to call honor killings an element of culture is a stretch. If any harshness in #303 seemed directed at you, then I should appologise to you, as that was not my intent. I was using the term "refinement" in a very different sense than it usually applies to any typical culture.

Islamic culture is not typical. It is expansionist, warlike, and parasitic. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'd be hard-pressed to think of any major elements of that culture which, if reformed or eliminated, would make it less so.

Honor killings is just one. Severe sanctions for homosexuality, while covering females from head to toe, combined with gender aparteid, is another. Up to 4 wives per muslim male, but no non-muslim may marry a muslim female. And if anyone change their religion (from islam)... well, you get the idea.

Many people want to escape from that culture, into western nations, and rightly so. However, they are already so FUBAR'd (esp when they seek comfort in their holy book) that they cannot assimilate. It's not just a great human tragedy. It's a long-standing strategy.

379 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:19:16pm

377 Rebtex

Gracias... it was very sudden... my family from Corpus had fled up to Austin.. for Rita..

Where did all the LA people go who were in Newton?

380 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:24:49pm

376-BubbleGirl
Sorry to butt in. My heart goes out to you if you were stuck not being able to travel because of the recent conditions.
My dad's twin sister fell to a heart attack right in the middle of hurricane lili. The man had to sit for a whole day before the roads were declared clear for travel so he and Mom could drive out to Michigan; by then, the situation had turned from 'going to be by her bedside' to 'making it for the wake/funeral'.
If (and I hope so) you two were close, I can tell you that there is now an angel forever watching over you.

381 SwampWoman  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:27:00pm

Hey, anybody still awake out there? (Just finished work.)

382 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:28:11pm

380 energy for capital

Thank you for your post.

383 abolitionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:31:27pm

PIMF #378 ..which, if reformed or eliminated, WOULDN'T make it less so.

384 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:32:27pm

BG
They were airlifted to Arkansas...
Even those at the Lake Group!

385 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:32:59pm

378-ab
No apologies necessary. I don't think you really were attacking what I said in that post. Some clarifiction may have been in order, on my part.
I think that we both agree that this act was completely outside modern tenets of civility.

386 RebTex  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:34:26pm

Swamp Woman
Hey.
How's it?

387 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:36:33pm

382-BG

Its from the heart, girl. Mama and I are really really prayed out right now, but there is always room in the heart...
We hope you have friends very close.

388 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:37:44pm

387 energy for capital

I'm fine. Don't be worrying about me.

389 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:40:10pm

This what I feel like...

Early in the morning, risin' to the street
Light me up that cigarette and I strap shoes on my feet
Got to find a reason, a reason things went wrong
Got to find a reason why my money's all gone
I got a dalmation, and I can still get high
I can play the guitar like a mother fucking riot

Well, life is (too short), so love the one you got
'Cause you might get runover or you might get shot
Never start no static I just get it off my chest
Never had to battle with no bulletproof vest
Take a small example, take a tip from me
Take all of your money, give it all to charity
Love is what I got
It's within my reach
And the Sublime style's still straight from Long Beach
It all comes back to you, you'll finally get what you deserve
Try and test that you're bound to get served
Love's what I got
Don't start a riot
You'll feel it when the dance gets hot

Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got

(That's) why I don't cry when my dog runs away
I don't get angry at the bills I have to pay
I don't get angry when my Mom smokes pot
Hits the bottle and goes right to the rock
Fuckin' and fightin', it's all the same
Livin' with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane
Let the lovin', let the lovin' come back to me

Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got, I said remember that
Lovin', is what I got, I got I got I got

Sublime

390 SwampWoman  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:40:23pm

#306 Reb

Swamp Woman
Hey.
How's it?

It be fine, 'cept I screwed up a couple hours' worth of work.

I saw that Bordm is alive and sans house, too. Hope we hear from Nam soon.

391 Cactus  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:40:54pm

I briefly had a Danish girlfriend about 18 years ago. We met in the Mission District of SF, working class black, Mexican(hmmm burritos), Latino, Brazilian with a smattering of students, lesbians and commies. The rare times the conversation turned to politics she railed on about the racist Americans and Israelis. No amount of logic could persuade her otherwise. I explained that the US probably has more races, creeds, colors and nationalities than any other countries in the world. Of course there's racism, just like in France and Germany, every country has these issues. There's racism between the minorities too. But you don't really have many people of other races in Denmark, so you don't really have experience with other races. You don't know if your nation would become racist because you've never had the opportunity. (Denmark did save it's Jews during the war.)

She then told me that there were foreigners. Too many, she said, the young moslem men on the street in gangs, bothering the Danish girls & women. Acting all puffed up and proud. Insulting her when ignored. They laughed haughily at her if she confronted them. She complained that they didn't work and got all the social services. She payed a lot of taxes, even as a waitress. She thought they should be sent back to their country.

She couldn't see the contradiction.

I told her that she sounded just like the American racists she was railing about, which really got to her.

392 energyforcapital  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:49:09pm

389-
dammit! now that song will be in my friggin' head for the rest of the nite...

s'all good

good on'ya gal

your system's strong

393 yesandno  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:51:44pm

I am beginning to think that every time you use the decriptor: Pakistani along with the term: Islam it is like a double wammy. These Pakistanis are scary...almost as bad as those groups roaming in Indonesia...

The perpetual Lord of the Flies types...

394 Missy The Cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:53:56pm

Bubbles

Sorry to hear about you aunt. Hope all is well.

395 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 9:56:31pm

394 Missy

I'm okay. Life goes on.

396 rightasrain  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 10:02:37pm

Bubble Girl, best wishes and healing thoughts from me, too.

You make folks smile here even when things are tough for you.

It's a gift - truly!

Hugs!

397 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 10:07:41pm

Right As Rain

Thank you... RAR..

I feel fortunate. I have no right to complain when others have lost so much.

398 Bubble Girl  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 10:20:04pm

RAR

Plus I am a hot tamale... which helps...

:D

399 Tweety  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 10:47:32pm
Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday

They were shocked because:

1. They don't think he did anything wrong.
2. They thought they had the Danes totally dhimmified by now.
3. They notice that gang rapists are beginning to be brought to justice in Pakistan but they thought that Pakistani 'honour'-killers would be safe by now from Danish justice.
4. This is a great setback in the drive to turn Denmark into an Islamic country.

Primitives.

400 thscott  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 10:48:27pm

I'm Shocked... SHOCKED! Muslim... violence towards women?

=O

401 Rune  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 11:30:15pm

The murdered girl was just 19 and newly wed. The brother and killer was 29. He’ll get some 16 years prison time, be out again in 12 perhaps 10. Another girl, a random passer-by, narrowly escaped death as a projectile grazed her cheek.

This dishonour killing comes just on top of the sentencing of another dishonour killing, where the father, after heavy pressure from the mother, killed his daughter for being too Danish and threw her dead body in a deserted harbour. As well as the story of how Muslim immigration ghettos have regular child rape rings where they swap their children. This last was only brought to light when a young immigrant (Pakistani) girl told her story of how she, after the death of her mothers had first been raped by her oldest brother, then by her father, then the two other brothers joined in. This went on for years from when she was 10 to she was 18, all the while she wasn’t allowed outside the home. And social workers in immigrant housing areas report that such cases are common, but the girls almost never report it since they fear reprisals from the family and being subjected to dishonour killings.

Ironic thing is, the great family traditions are one of the things which has often been put forward as a thing Danes can learn a lot from Arab immigrants.

402 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 27, 2005 11:54:58pm

I'm absolutely horrified. You think you get used to the barbarity, but you don't. I mostly feel sad that this is what is going on in the world.

403 greatdane  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 12:23:48am

We got it all

404 Brutus  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 12:27:36am

#370

Well, it looks like it's time to start raping muslim men. It won't be pleasant, but we do have standards, after all. They say they look forward to martyrdom. Make them long for it.

We tried. Well, not actually raping them, but rather making them wear underwear on their heads and having women point at their dicks. THAT was labelled as torture. THIS, however, the cold-blooded murder of a woman in broad daylight on a public street, is labelled as something that requires discussion and debate, as it has disappointed a few Mazzis.

405 StarsandStripes  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 12:43:58am

This is so sick and disgusting.

It's evil.

406 rolus  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 1:44:05am

Interesting Google News (from 4,500) sources has nothing.

407 The Drizzle  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 1:54:40am

Yet another triumph for islam..er..excuse me..I meant the religion of peace.

408 GordonMcStraun  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 2:17:22am

You know, sometimes I wonder if it was such a good idea to let these people live here in such numbers.

409 GordonMcStraun  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 2:21:01am

#391

You will find doublethink common amongst young Lefties. They normally grow out of it in their mid-to-late twenties.

410 dataman0  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 3:06:15am

They are all quite mad aren't they.

411 metalship  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:16:27am

"Cultural phenomenon"

412 Nixxxon  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:16:39am

I guess we should feel lucky that there are no murders by Christians, Jews, Hindus, or athiests.

413 dataman0  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:26:38am

This and previous posts make this "Religion" seem like a lunatic asylum. Or a zoo for pre-human species that evolution left behind.

414 ArcherB  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:35:37am

Re: 187 Mike Charlie

I don't think that the lives of American women are worth any less than those of Muslim women.

On the flip side:
I don't think that the lives of Muslim women are worth any less than those of American women.

When we see an American woman get murdered in broad daylight, we tend to get pretty upset about it. I don't see the Muslim world getting upset about this. Now, if she were murdered by a non-Muslim, you can bet that the Muslim community would be in the streets protesting, screaming bloody murder, much like the women's groups here should be doing. The silence from NOW and ANSWER is also defening.

415 Joel  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:41:08am

And why - pray tell - does Denmark allow or need immigrants from Pakistan?

416 Checker77  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:42:52am

I wonder if moderate Muslims moved from the Middle East in order to try to escape madness like this. There's always a very conservative side to any religion as well as a liberal side, and of course those in between.

417 ceejay  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:59:08am

#414, ArcherB

so very well said! NOW seems to be quite selective of which woman's rights matter. never heard a word against OJ re the spousal abuse of Nichole either. guess it depends on who the abuser is...

418 M. Simon  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 4:59:41am

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people...

From the sound of this it looks like finding such people will be difficult. The guy gives the game away.

419 Roger  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:02:28am

#416 Checker77, bologna. islam has no extreme and/or conservative side.

420 Jheka  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:13:44am

So I'm dating this lovely Muslim girl ... note to self ... find out more about the extended family ...

421 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:28:33am
‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

Sure it isn't. Not.

422 Rune  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:35:50am

Yeah. It’s unfathomable where the Muslims get their low opinion of women from?!

”Women has no demand on respect when without Muslim scarf. And without scarf they have only themselves to blame when attacked.” - Shahid Mehdi. Mufti, Copenhagen

I at least find it all quite puzzling...

”All crime committed against women happend solely because they are not properly covered up. When no veiled noone can have respect for them” - Shahid Mehdi. Mufti, Copenhagen

because, as we all know, Islam is a religion of peace...

”When women are raped it’s their own fault and they have only themselves to blame” - Shahid Mehdi. Mufti, Copenhagen

and the hijab, burqua and etc. is a blessing and really a form of emancipation...

”I would like a Muslim girl to name one heavenly wise man, who permitted her to wear only a light veil over her hair and claim she was veiled, although her body was visible, a woman who wants to call herself a believer must cover herself completely, according to the sharia rules.” – Imam Raed Hleihel Aarhus (Denmark)

freeing women from western suppression and degradation...

”She disobey her master and creater, whom two places in the Koran has ordered her to cover up” - Shahid Mehdi. Mufti, Copenhagen

and at least we can all agree that whatever scant suppression of women there is in the middle east...

“Women are the instrument of satan” – Imam Raed Hleihel Aarhus (Denmark)

it has nothing to do with Islam, which is a religion of peace...

”Women will be more respected. Covering is clearly a way, women can protect themselves. Without they obviously look like cheap wares peddled freely on the street. It is very unmoral walking around uncovered.” - Shahid Mehdi. Mufti, Copenhagen

of peace and equality...

“Women who go to the hairdresser or wear perfume will go to hell” – Imam Raed Hleihel Aarhus (Denmark)

423 taryn  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:45:06am

so who's got evidence this time to back up that honor killing is condoned in islam?

424 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:49:04am
‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

which of course explains why it almost (if not totally) exclusively practiced by followers of the Religion of Peace (tm).

/spit

425 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:57:26am

#62 daughter of patriots 9/27/2005 07:21PM PDT

Deport them now.

Why permit the infection to spread? Have a fail trial and a proper hanging for all involved in perpetrating the crime.

426 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 5:58:00am

fail = fair PIMF

Although considering this is Europe, maybe fail was more accurate...

427 Mike Charlie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:13:40am

Responses to all;

It was not my intention to suggest that honor killings are either justified or right in some way. I am also a Muslim. I can tell you that my sister and my cousins have always been treated with the full rights accorded to them in our society. My sister, deaf from birth, has gone on to become an author, a TV presenter (for the BBC) and has her own company. Her name is Sabina Chowdry. If you like you can Google her, so that you may see that we do not all oppress/maim/torture/murder our women.

In my mind, there is an equivalency between the honor killings in our culture and the abuse of women which occurs in Western countries by non-Muslims.

Having lived on both sides, I believe that most people everywhere find the abuse of women repugnant. When we Muslims see that women are raped every 2 minutes in America that we get the same repulsive feeling that one gets from hearing about another honor killing. I lived in England for many years. There, rapists can be let go after 3 months. In many Muslim countries, they are publicly flogged, and sometimes executed.

That is not to say that Muslim countries have a better system of justice. They are often hopelessly corrupt and inept. It is often hard to get them to pursue any crime, which lends to the perception that honor killings are somehow supported by the majority. In my own personal experience, I have never met a single Muslim who supported the idea of honor killings.

Again, this is only my own personal experience. I do not pretend to speak for every Muslim.

This is not to say that I personally think honor killings are not a problem. They are a huge moral problem in the culture of Muslim countries.

I can speak only for myself when I say that I try to do my part to improve the lot of women (and not just Muslim ones either). I joined a charity that councils those who are suicidal or depressed. Many of those were women who were undergoing some form of abuse. Being a big believer in the second amendment (I love this country of yours, I tell you), I have always encouraged each girl I dated to invest in a small firearm for self-protection.

As much hot air as you or I might expel, nothing protects a woman better than a .45.

The last point I want to make is that I don’t believe the Quran supports honor killings. If anyone believes to the contrary, please post the appropriate quote here in public, so that even I might learn something new.

I hope that I have answered all the points that were raised in response to my post. If I have missed any, please remind me and I’ll do my best to respond.

Cheers,

MC.

428 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:29:02am
429 foreign devil  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:31:09am

#427 Mike Charlie:

I'd like to point out that many of those rapes in Western society are done by Muslim men. In Denmark and Sweden, for instance...well...you get the picture. So as long as you're drawing an equivalency balance sheet, your crowd comes out with far more opportunities for rape and mayhem that ours. We have ignorant chauvinistic macho a$$holes and you have mysognistic sadists who enjoy inflicting pain on their own and others. It's not enough for them to terrorize the women in their families, after doing the raping themselves, of course, but then they've got to kill the victim for allowing her 'honor' to be besmirched by their father's, brother's, uncle's rape in the first place. So they commit the crime of rape then kill her for not protecting her honor.

And yes, I know you very leftist sister, Ms. Chowdry, who manages to twist every exchange about any subject on the planet to reflect badly somehow on either the Americans or the US all the while smiling smugly, secure in the fact that as a British MUSLIM and a woman of color SHE COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE CALLED BIASED. POPPYCOCK! I despise her as I do the rest of the BBC liars who shill for Islam.

430 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:46:22am

Mike Charlie

I can tell you that my sister and my cousins have always been treated with the full rights accorded to them in our society.

I can't help but notice the "in our society" part.
Your post implies that you are located in the states, but your sister is located in the UK.

Do you afford your sister the same rights that a non-Muslim woman enjoys in UK society.

If not, please specify exactly which rights afforded by UK law are not recognized nor afforded by your society.

As to Honor Killings,

Would you say that there is a proportional or non-proportional number of Honor Killings in Islamic and non-Islamic cultures?

If there seems to be a non-proportionally greater number of honor killings in Islamic cultures, what do you attribute this to?

431 Mike Charlie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:59:28am

#427 foreign devil

You might have a point if you could prove that more rapes were committed by Muslims in these countries than by people of other religions. Until you come up with a factoid that shows that simply being Muslim makes one more likely to commit rape, you'll have to forgive me for not being entirely convinced.

I want to make clear that a rape is still a rape, no matter who the perpetrator is. I'm sure most of us realize this, but it tends to get lost in the whole 'Muslims do nothing but rape' debate.

I have come across many women who have been raped. Each one was just as devastated as the other and I know for a fact that most of the perpetrators were not Muslim.

432 Mike Charlie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:03:57am

#427 foreign devil (again)

I don't know how I missed this;

And yes, I know you very leftist sister, Ms. Chowdry, who manages to twist every exchange about any subject on the planet to reflect badly somehow on either the Americans or the US all the while smiling smugly, secure in the fact that as a British MUSLIM and a woman of color SHE COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE CALLED BIASED. POPPYCOCK! I despise her as I do the rest of the BBC liars who shill for Islam.

My sister presented programs for the deaf community. She wrote a book on parenting for couples with deaf children. She didn't do any political programs. She has been to the US many times (for both business and to visit me) and she loves it here.

So, quite how you came to the conclusion that she is a leftist anti-American shill is beyond me.

Perhaps (and let me just throw this out there for you) you're talking out of your arse?

433 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:06:35am

Mike Charlie

On #430 I asked a few serious questions.
Thanks in advance

434 Mike Charlie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:14:21am

#430 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Mike Charlie

I can tell you that my sister and my cousins have always been treated with the full rights accorded to them in our society.

I can't help but notice the "in our society" part.

Your post implies that you are located in the states, but your sister is located in the UK.

That’s exactly right.

Do you afford your sister the same rights that a non-Muslim woman enjoys in UK society.

Oh sure. As an example, she dated a few guys before she got married. Not all of them were Muslim. Our family was fine with it.

If not, please specify exactly which rights afforded by UK law are not recognized nor afforded by your society.

I was referring to ‘our society’ meaning ‘western society’ not ‘Islamic society’.

As such there is no difference in the way my sister is treated, to that of most other Western women.

As to Honor Killings,

Would you say that there is a proportional or non-proportional number of Honor Killings in Islamic and non-Islamic cultures?

This question does not make sense. I think what you mean to ask is whether there are disproportionably more honor killings in the Muslim countries as opposed to Western countries and my answer is ‘yes’. Whilst many women are killed by their families in the west; this is often done more out of jealously than any misplaced sense of honor.

Unlike many though, I can freely admit that both are evil.

If there seems to be a non-proportionally greater number of honor killings in Islamic cultures, what do you attribute this to?

A culture of backward ignorance.

435 rightasrain  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:19:14am

#434 Mike Charlie

Whilst many women are killed by their families in the west; this is often done more out of jealously than any misplaced sense of honor.

Are you talking about Muslim women killed in the west?

Western society doesn't have a practice of killing women family members (except for extreme cases of domestic violence where a non-related male might kill his spouse.) It's not routine by any means, but it does happen sometimes.

Is this what you were talking about?

436 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:22:41am
437 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:34:01am

Mike Charlie

A culture of backward ignorance.

What do you feel is the original source of the culture that advocated the custom and practice of honor killing?

This question does not make sense. I think what you mean to ask is whether there are disproportionably more honor killings in the Muslim countries as opposed to Western countries and my answer is ‘yes’.

Can you link to any works, words, posts or whatever by any accepted fundamentalist believing Islamic teacher that condemns the practice of honor killings?


Whilst many women are killed by their families in the west; this is often done more out of jealously than any misplaced sense of honor.

Unlike many though, I can freely admit that both are evil.

Are you able to provide any evidence to back up your assertion that "many" western societies or people support or condone the practice of murdering women out of jealousy?


As such there is no difference in the way my sister is treated, to that of most other Western women.

I am glad that your sister enjoys the same rights as most other western women.

But, could you provide examples of how her rights differ from the remaining western women.

Again, thanks in advance

438 foreign devil  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:49:32am

Mike Charlie:

Just google up above in the lgf comments or thread and comments only about Muslim and rape in The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and some other countries. I have better things to do that rehash what has already been discussed here at length. Do your own homework. It's all here.

As for why Muslim men feel they can get away with raping? It's first off because of the extreme suppression of any forms of artistic or physical expression by individuals in your society. That repression leads to anger and anger leads to acting out, i.e. jihad or attacking a woman. The sex thing is also because you are obsessed with sex. How your private parts are dealt with is detailed in the Koran, for G*d's sake. Specifically. That unhealthy concentration on things sexual all the time leads to an obsession with sex.

But most of all I despise the fact the Muslims refuse to accept ANY criticism at all that what they have been taught might not be right and might need revision. That your way is the ONLY way. If we thought like that YOU'D accuse us of intolerance but if a Muslim says something is so, one is expected to accept that as gospel. NONSENSE!

Because you are being deliberately obtuse, I am not going to address you any further. I'm a busy individual and I don't have time to waste on you.

439 Rune  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:49:57am

Mike Charlie:

You might have a point if you could prove that more rapes were committed by Muslims in these countries than by people of other religions.

Immigrants and their descendents from Muslim countries are without a doubt massively overrepresented in the rape statistics. In Denmark the number is around 200-300% overrepresented. And they all but cornered the market for gang rapes. The numbers are the same for the rest of Scandinavia. Here’s Norway: Oslo rape statistics shock

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.

Fjordmans has been digging in to the numbers. You can see here from Sweden.

Whether you attribute it to Islam is another question. I have no doubt that you can be a Muslim and a good person who don’t accept rape. And that you can find inspiration in you holy books to back up such an opinion. On the other hand, I have no doubt that you can be a Muslim and be such a person that think rapes are acceptable. And find words in your holy books to back up such a position. Islam is what you make of it. And many makes it an ugly thing.

440 IowaInfidel  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:54:26am

Hmmm, so the message seems to be that muslim women's lives are cheap. Just hypothetically then, if a muslim women dishonors me, can I, as an infidel, blow her away? Would the muslim community find that acceptable? After all, she's only a muslim woman...

441 foreign devil  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 7:54:38am

#439 Rune:

Thank you for those links. I wasn't going to dig around for him. I just LUV trolls who try to say it never happened because you didn't provide a link for them to prove it. But honestly, if they come on this blog they should know better than to try to bluff their way out of it because they're bound to get nailed, if not by me, then by someone with good links like yours. Thanks again!

442 Vickie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 8:38:29am

And people were wondering why I said, that if the Demographics were right, ie a critical mass of Muslim Citizens happen to take up residence in America, scroll up another 25 years, and America will be changed. It just happens that way.

In fact tho stuff like this has already happened here in America, for some reason the reporting is very low key. So far, you hardly hear about it or barely hear about it. You report what is going on and you are a "racist". You arrest too many, and you are "targeting" someones "culture". Do too much about this "sensitive situation" and guess what the answer just might be..Suicide Bombings in America..eventually.

443 MegaTroopX  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 8:41:24am

Looks like someone beat me to fixing it:

"Similar practices have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife. The practice has long since ceased to be endemic in Europe, although Muslim immigrants have brought the practice with them from Islamic lands in recent decades."

444 MegaTroopX  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 10:16:49am

187 Mike Charlie

Driver! Turn off the equivalence-mobile, and take the key out of the ignition.

When women get murdered in America, we find and punish the offender (or try to).

In the islamic Bizarro world, the victim is the offender.

When an American woman gets raped, their dad or brother would probably want to neuter the guy who did it. (Don't crush his balls, hand me the pliers)

In the islamic Bizarro world, when a woman gets raped, their dad or brother probably did it, or wants to kill her for letting it happen.

I don't think that the lives of American women are worth any less than those of Muslim women.

Nor do I, which is why I support freeing Muslim women from their bondage to the [bigoted word]s.

A Hindu came up to the officer and said, "This is the custom in our country."

The Brit (an ancestor of Churchill's, no doubt) replied: "We have a custom in my country, too: we hang chaps who do this sort of thing."

Did I mention I love this breed of Brit?

We of the non-7th-century world need to start hanging a few "chaps".

445 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 11:00:23am

#427 Mike Charlie 9/28/2005 08:13AM PDT

In my mind, there is an equivalency between the honor killings in our culture and the abuse of women which occurs in Western countries by non-Muslims.

Not to be rude, but that is one daft statement. Abuse is equivalent to killing?! Are you serious? That's simply moral equivalency of the absolutely worst sort.

This is not to say that I personally think honor killings are not a problem. They are a huge moral problem in the culture of Muslim countries.

Well at least we agree there.

As much hot air as you or I might expel, nothing protects a woman better than a .45.

We agree there, as well.

The last point I want to make is that I don’t believe the Quran supports honor killings.

Many imams in the Middle East would disagree. Evidence would include this case, where the imams sentenced a woman to death by stoning for the crime of being raped. In that case, the imams didn't just condone honor killing, they mandated it.

However, the point is almost irrelevant: it is clear that many in Islam-dominated countries believe that Islam supports honor killings. We know this because of the prevalence of the attrocity in those societies. Can you really blame us for taking their word -- and actions -- for it?

446 myshkin  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 11:54:37am

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

can anyone imagine a rabbi or a priest feeling the need to stress "that's not our policy" after one of their flock guns down his sister? I bet Nazir had to take a quick look thru the koran's index before making his statement. Ahhh... phew... A loophole!

447 Vickie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 11:58:32am

And we are sort of used to this now. To us it is, "another day" in the world of Islam. How did we get to THAT?

Honor Killings and Beheadings is "business as usual". What are we accepting as the norm even over there?

448 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 12:40:36pm

dont you love how the Islamic women chewed out Karen Hughes? As if they can tell us about civilized society. My sister has made me mad once or twice (or more) but it never crossed my mind to kill her, even tho when we were younger she would beat me up.

449 Vickie  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 1:31:30pm

Well then Karen Hughes and Islam. Not that I'm not getting MIGHTY interested in HER and her relationship with the Islamic World. Thats an pretty effective Political Operative and it behooves (had to that word) us all to pay attention to what she says and doesn't say in these situations.

Is she trying for full membership in the...ARABIST community? Rice just made her membership. AND it pays well..very well indeed.

450 gunjam  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:16:09pm

#428 taxfreekiller 9/28/2005 08:29AM PDT

And best of all your U. S. Senate is now working on "new immigration laws" see McCain and Kennedy and their "am/nasty" ,,, for what? ya

Good point!

I have linked to this important honor-killing story here:

Don’t Think Islam Is a Threat to Our Way of Life? Read This!

451 gunjam  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:19:07pm

#449 Vickie 9/28/2005 03:31PM PDT

Is she trying for full membership in the...ARABIST community? Rice just made her membership. AND it pays well..very well indeed.

Good observation!

I have posted about the Hughes "goodwill" MidEast trip here:

Sending a Woman to Do a Man’s Job – Again!

452 rightasrain  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 6:40:58pm

Karen Hughes isn't becoming an "Arabist" by being paid to go tell Muslim women what they're not allowed to hear (eg, about what it means to be free.)

Slaves who go to a lecture for an hour have to return to their masters.

Karen Hughes will get nowhere with this.

She isn't turning on America to make the effort, though.

453 doubledip  Wed, Sep 28, 2005 9:03:34pm

The last point I want to make is that I don’t believe the Quran supports honor killings. If anyone believes to the contrary, please post the appropriate quote here in public, so that even I might learn something new.

With all due respect, it matters little that the Quran condemns honor killings. After all, you won't find any quotes in the U.S. Constitution supporting rape or abuse of prisoners. Yet how do you think the Muslim world would receive Americans using this (i.e. "the Constitution doesn't support it") as a reason to dismiss what happened at Abu Ghraib? Consider the answer to this and you will find in it the same response from any non-Muslim who hears the tiresome line that "Quran doesn't support blah blah". In other words, actions matter more than mere words in a text, holy or not. To say otherwise is hypocrisy.

454 HVT  Thu, Sep 29, 2005 8:04:59am
>>>>This senseless murder brought to you by Islam, the religion of peace.

Remind me of those sick Mormon f*ucks...

These men were raised as strict Mormons. Their father was brutal (beat the family dog to death w/ a basball bat in front of the family --- what sick f*** would just stand there and watch? But I digress)

...God is the one who told them to kill her because she was against their fundy teaching of plural marriage. Since she was married to their brother, who was coming around to fundy thought she vocally attacked their ideas and went to other family members to complain.. afterall, she hadn't married a fundy ... Oh they also killed her daughter.

They claimed to the court that God specifically mentioned their siterinlaw and neice as necessary "blood sacrifice."blockquote>

How many murders have to occur "Under the Banner of Heaven" before this world realizes that fundamentalism of ANY flavor is deadly?

455 Mike Charlie  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:36:12am

Better late than never;

#435 rightasrain

Are you talking about Muslim women killed in the west?
Western society doesn't have a practice of killing women family members (except for extreme cases of domestic violence where a non-related male might kill his spouse.) It's not routine by any means, but it does happen sometimes.
Is this what you were talking about?


No, I was talking about all women killed in the west.

I once dated a girl who lived in a domestic violence shelter. She was Christian, her husband was atheist. I met many women in that shelter and each had horrible and heart-breaking stories. It was only then that I came to know that domestic violence here can be just as common as in my native England. Another girl I dated once had been gang-raped in college. Apparently these things seem to happen quite often in frat-houses.

My point: Just because it never happened to you, don’t think that it hardly happens.
#437 Village Idiot's Apprentice


What do you feel is the original source of the culture that advocated the custom and practice of honor killing?

I was always told by Muslims that it came from the Hindu custom of suthi, i.e. burning widows alive. I believe this is bullshit, because I did not find it anywhere in the Hindu holy texts. Having said that, I did not find it anywhere in the Quran either, so you’re guess is as good as mine.

You know, honor killings also occur in Hindu society too. Why is that?


Can you link to any works, words, posts or whatever by any accepted fundamentalist believing Islamic teacher that condemns the practice of honor killings?

This is a trick question. Any fundamentalist in your eyes is a Muslim who is barbaric. The minute I post anything from a Muslim against honor killings, you will tell me they are not really ‘fundamentalist’ so it doesn’t count.


Are you able to provide any evidence to back up your assertion that "many" western societies or people support or condone the practice of murdering women out of jealousy?

No, I never said that it was ‘supported’. I said that it happens;

[Link: www.abanet.org...]

Some interesting facts for you;

“[…] 4 million American women experience a serious assault by an intimate partner during an average 12-month period.”

“nearly 1 in 3 adult women experience at least one physical assault by a partner during adulthood.”

Now you can tell me that these are different because you condemn them. So what? They still happen and they have been happening for many decades i.e. your condemnation is worthless.

Unlike most, I condem *ALL* violence against women and I have worked for a charity that helped women in these situations.

Don’t think that all Muslims like to murder all women. You are above that.


But, could you provide examples of how her rights differ from the remaining western women.

They don’t.

456 Mike Charlie  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:39:33am

#438 foreign devil


Just google up above in the lgf comments or thread and comments only about Muslim and rape in The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and some other countries. I have better things to do that rehash what has already been discussed here at length. Do your own homework. It's all here.

Yup yup yup. Those evil Muslims.

It wasn’t so long ago that some people were blaming the Jews for raping all of their women. Luckily they got bombed by you Americans and we Brits.


As for why Muslim men feel they can get away with raping? It's first off because of the extreme suppression of any forms of artistic or physical expression by individuals in your society. That repression leads to anger and anger leads to acting out, i.e. jihad or attacking a woman. The sex thing is also because you are obsessed with sex. How your private parts are dealt with is detailed in the Koran, for G*d's sake. Specifically. That unhealthy concentration on things sexual all the time leads to an obsession with sex.

Yeah thanks for that. You’ve obviously studied this subject very well.

Now perhaps you can explain why the US service women are often raped by their fellow servicemen?

www.dod.gov/news/May2004/d20040513SATFReport.pdf

In a two year period, there were over 2000 sexual assault victims within the armed forces.

That’s your government talking, so spin it anyway you like. I’ll do you a favour and not mention all of the cases in the media where the victims went public because their rapes were either condoned or swept under the carpet by the military.

#439 Rune


Immigrants and their descendents from Muslim countries are without a doubt massively overrepresented in the rape statistics.

Nowhere in the link you posted, does it say that the rapes are caused by Muslims. It says that most of them are caused by ‘non-Western immigrants’. Notice that this report was only about Oslo, the capital, where there is higher concentration of immigrants.

Does this imply that outside of Oslo, most rapes are committed by Native Norwegians? That’s funny, there’s no outrage about that.

[Link: www.ssb.no...]

The definition of ‘non-Western’ immigrants includes also those from Russia, Eastern Europe, South and Central America. All of these are Christian countries.

37% of immigrants live in Oslo. If anything bad comes from immigration it will be disproportionably large amongst then general population there. If you take the average across the whole nation, you’re more likely to find that 2 out of three rapes were NOT committed by immigrants.

Muslims have immigrated all around Europe for many decades. Why are their no Muslim rape epidemics in my native London?

Surely if Muslims are pre-disposed to rape, they would be raping everywhere they want and there would be provable statistics to show this?

444 MegaTroopX


When women get murdered in America, we find and punish the offender (or try to).

Actions speak louder than words. 4 Million American women (a year!) would suggest otherwise.


In the islamic Bizarro world, when a woman gets raped, their dad or brother probably did it, or wants to kill her for letting it happen.

Proof? Evidence? Or just a few quotes from some high-profile cases? There are a billion Muslims. Can you prove that they are all rapists?

PS. Just in case you didn’t realize, Hindus are not Muslims. It’s one thing to accuse Muslims of doing something wrong, but it’s another to blame them for the problems of other religions.

457 Mike Charlie  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:42:59am

#445 MoonbatBane


In my mind, there is an equivalency between the honor killings in our culture and the abuse of women which occurs in Western countries by non-Muslims.


Not to be rude, but that is one daft statement. Abuse is equivalent to killing?! Are you serious? That's simply moral equivalency of the absolutely worst sort.


You misunderstood me. I used the term ‘abuse’ to mean killing+rape+other violence.

Many imams in the Middle East would disagree. Evidence would include this case , where the imams sentenced a woman to death by stoning for the crime of being raped. In that case, the imams didn't just condone honor killing, they mandated it.

The Quran does not advocate stoning for any crime. If it does, can you please quote it here? This is your chance to educate me.

#446 myshkin


can anyone imagine a rabbi or a priest feeling the need to stress "that's not our policy" after one of their flock guns down his sister?

Try this on for size;


At our meeting, you have been very much in our minds and hearts, for we know the heavy burden of sorrow and shame that you are bearing because some have betrayed the grace of Ordination by abusing those entrusted to their care.

Catholic Cardinal’s Letter To US Priests After Pedophile Scandal Broke

Notice that their first regret is not for the victims, but rather for the fact that they church wasn’t able to avoid looking bad;

We regret that episcopal oversight has not been able to preserve the Church from this scandal.

#453 doubledip


With all due respect, it matters little that the Quran condemns honor killings.

Hang on there Skippy.

If the Quran is not the source of the problem, than what is? Surely you are not suggesting that something other than the source of Islam is to blame?

458 Mike Charlie  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:50:18am

[Link: reopen911.org...]

It hardly looks like Muslim propoganda. There's not a sinlge Muslim on this site, that I can find.


Ps. If this is just another moonbat theory, you'll have no trouble in wining the $1,000,000 they are offering to anyone who can prove them wrong.

Lizards - Time to get rich!

459 Mike Charlie  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:50:49am

Bugger. Wrong thread.

460 doubledip  Sun, Oct 2, 2005 7:24:18pm

#457 Mike Charlie

If the Quran is not the source of the problem, than what is? Surely you are not suggesting that something other than the source of Islam is to blame?

Sure...it's the inherent evilness that resides in all humanity. Which no religious, legal, or political system has managed to curb perfectly since the beginning of time.

Which is why I'm suggesting that Islam isn't so much the cause; rather, it is hardly proving itself to be a solution in any way, shape, or form. Islam discredits itself not because it causes "honor killings" but because it can't stop them. Islam can't live up to its pompous claims of the "perfect way of life", designed to provide its adherents its Allah-blessed-political-utopia-on-earth. Everywhere sharia's been implemented (or attempts to do so) have resulted in copious amounts of disaster, totalitarianism, and corruption...more than you'll find in many non-sharia countries.

Of course, Muslims will say, "There is no true Islamic country. Only when Muslims learn to live perfectly by the Quran will there be true and perfect peace, freedom, sharia, etc." But so what? That can be said of any religious or political system...i.e. live it perfectly and you'll have the perfect system.

The big difference is that Islam claims to be divinely ordained and blessed by Allah. If so, how does this explain not only the abysmal track record of so many Islamic countries (e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Iran, Somalia, Pakistan, Gaza) who try in some measure to appease Allah, but also the striking success of so many non-Islamic ones (e.g. Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Japan, South Korea, China, New Zealand, Canada) who could care less what Allah says? Colonialism? I wouldn't go there. To even blame colonialism of stifling Islamic success begs the deeper question whether Islam (or Allah?) is indeed powerless and impotent before the un-Islamic.


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