aw come on! . . .

Maroons, all around us.

people can fume,” Khankan said, “but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

Man, speaking of fumes, what stinks in here....

What's to investigate? He's a conspiracy-theory lovin' nut... he doesn't deserve to share the same hallowed ground as those firefighters.

OIC...hundreds of thousands witnessed the destruction of the WTC in person either at Ground Zero or on television, but it's still questionable how they were destroyed.
I would love to bitchslap someone right now out of sheer frustration.

“but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

Here's my opinion:

Terrorist sympathizers and apologists have no place in our society, let alone as counselors to those who deal with the very people you make excuses for. Now that I've aired and discussed that position, the solution is...YOU'RE FIRED!

I thought "freedom of speech" meant you were to suffer the consequences of STUPID SPEECH !

Is that so hard to understand?
For the Left, I guess so.
For me, it's just funny as all get out.

Yeah, it's like... just a "political opinion" you know, that Bush bombed the twin towers. No offence intended. Group hug. Friends?

/sarcasm

...he should have been very careful not to hurt others’ feelings.”

Still stuck on feewings.
Still stuck on stupid.

If he has a political opinion, it should not affect his work or his position

Even if he speaks like an inmate at the local loony bin?

“What happened to freedom of speech?”

It's still here. But it does come with responsibilities and repercussions.

I am not sure which is more disturbing; that someone with such a skewed view of the world was appointed chaplain by FDNY, or that someone with such a skewed view of the world teaches at a junior high school. Would you want someone with such irrational theories teaching your twelve and thirteen year old kids?

Islam is basking in projection.
It feeds off of denial and self-delusion.

Muslims need to take a hard look.

“He is backing off because he made a boo-boo,” Khan said.

Well what do you expect, he flunked his taqqiyeh class at Jihad U...

“What happened to freedom of speech?” said Khankan, adding that Habib’s comments should not have rendered him jobless.

Sadly, no, friend. Freedom of speech refers to criminal penalties, not civic penalties. Employers can restrict speech with impunity.

Now that I think about it, I think Bush had something to do with that tourboat thing. Just to distract from his controversial Supreme Court nom.

Really, it's a brilliant stra-teeg-ery.

There's something skewed about assigning someone who is representing the very 'religious' group that did all the killing in NYC.
That's just plain unbalanced!
The last thing I would desire is to associate myself with even abstract association of this death cult.

He likes opinions we prefer facts. I see a fundamental problem in orientation.

Muslim schitzophrenia on 9/11 fascinates me. They are the "Magnificent 19" when it suits them. Then they try to spin some yarn to avoid any backlash. It makes sense, in a completely transparent dishonest way. They think we're idiots, and there's a strong cadre of the Left and assorted nutjobs who prove them partially correct.

So when does the ACLU file a discrimination suit for him?

Hmm....still having difficulty with the whole cause and effect thingy, aren't they?

Let me put it this way for the "scholar".....I think Khomeini was a nutjob, and no Islamic party is worth supporting in an election. I further think anyone who does support them has an IQ in the lower double digits.

That's ok with you guys, right? After all, it's a political opinion....

Oh, Yes, lets discuss how realistic this guy's beliefs are ...
Not

#17 Reluctant Democrat

So when does the ACLU file a discrimination suit for him?

A couple of discriminating suits.

Meet my cabbie neighbor, Victor Thorn.

#12 Sponging House

Now, let's have a Christian chaplain say that radical Islam is being used as a tool for a conspiracy to conquer the Western world, and see if Mr. Khankan still stands up for "free speech." After all, political opinions should not affect one's position at work...

Before we condemn, we must investigate ... question the Imam further as to why does he believe this to be so.

Yes, let's get to the bottom of why he believes 9/11 wasn't committed by Muslim terrorists. I'll get the ball rolling:

a. Because the Islamic world is rife with anti-semitic conspiracy theories and Habib is so immersed in the frothing insanity of the "Arab Street" that he thinks that it's a perfectly centrist opinion to believe that, say, for example, Jews were responsible.

b. Because he's a freakin' moron.

c. Because Leftists in the US have been promoting the "9/11 was an inside job" meme and the "controlled demolition" meme so virulently that anti-rational imams feel comfortable regurgitating the red/green bile.

d. Because he is ashamed of the self-evident truth that his co-religionists are mass-murderers.

e. Because the only difference between him and 95% of other imams is that he was stupid enough to tell his real thoughts to a kafir reporter.

f. etc.

#21 Roger

You are a vile piece of shit.

I read about shitbirds like the NYFD Chaplain wannabee, and I think that it is time for some serious deportation proceedings to take place. If deportation isn't appropriate, maybe the establishment of internment facilities should be considered. The persons who reccomended him for the chaplains position have demonstrated their incompetence and the need for their replacement. His being hired to teach in a Jr Highschool is evidence of criminal negligence on the part of the hiring authority.

#24 Sarah D., what do you not like about #21?

#24 Sarah D.

Don't you mean his neighbor is a piece of shit? What did Roger do?

#21 Roger

How many times does it need to be explained to these idiots that the steel didn't need to melt to become soft? They're stuck on stupid squared. Throw in the incredible damage caused by planes smashing in at high speed and the structural damage that caused. Jihadis are killing people all over the world, sometimes dozens of times in one day, and they're still stuck on the conspiracy theory floated out on September 12, 2001. moveon.foryoursanity

Habib’s comments, unseemly as they may have been to some, should not be completely dismissed, said Ghazi Khankan,

This should be repeated to every Muslim's attempt to ban piggies, or ice cream labels or any other object they find "unseemly."

These folks take items not directed at them on a personnal level and think that stupid, buffoonish, idiotic remaks aimed at the general public should be exempt. What unmitigated gall!

#27 Lazarus

Nope, meant exactly what I said.

What ever happened to the good ol' days, when we fought wars against people that DIDN'T assume they get to be blown by virgins after they blow themselves up?

#30 Sarah D.

So you're saying Roger believes that crap?

“I hope this will create a movement to call for further investigation into the tragedy of 9/11 ... people can fume,” Khankan said, “but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

So, if I were of the opinion that Mecca should be glassified...

#28 Beagle, I mentioned it before. Before the book came out he had asked me to do free gratis physics analysis. Gave me some hint it was about the WTC. If I had agreed I'm certain I could have been coauthor. Luckily I had the presence of mind to decline:-)

Nor have they ever seen a block of concrete explode. It is amazing to see. I watched such compression tests in the forestry lab at PSU. Amazing release of energy! The multi-ton test equipment literally jumps off the ground. And that is with a small chunk. Spalling concrete faster than you can blink. Need to be behind impact shields to watch it.

#21 Roger

Do you actually believe that garbage?

Oh yeah...let's rewrite history like we do everytime someone has a problem accepting facts.

#35 Lazarus, see #34 and the Monday Open Thread.

“I hope this will create a movement to call for further investigation into the tragedy of 9/11 ... people can fume,” Khankan said, “but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

I prefer a movement to call for further investigation into why these pig fellators are allowed to immigrate to America and my good opinion is that every last one of these annoying jackoffs should exercise their right of return back to their third-world Islamic hellholes.

#37 Roger

#35 Lazarus, see #34 and the Monday Open Thread.

#34 doesn't tell me whether or not you believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy, nor am I about to go combing through a 1000+ post thread to find an answer to a simple yes or no question.

But your response does lead me to believe that you are illiterate.

I posted this on a thread but it's dead.
Dr Suess Political Cartoons from WWII

Dr Seuss insults the appeasers.
Pushes for unity at home.
Exhorts men to volunteer.
Buy war bonds. Sacrifice personal comfort.
Don't buy into Phony optimism or rumors.
Just a harmless little game. shows the Press with bows and arrows looking over a military procession, saying, "Just a harmless little game we call popping the commader in chief!"

Here's another LLL bash. Roosevelt Dictatorship

June 1942 Racial Prejudice Bug
Negro Job Hunters
Black Labor
Lindbergh: Shop at Adolph's
Ostrich Bonnets
May 1941 Seperate Beds
We lack only a leadership.
She embarasses Ma and PaTis Roosevelt, Not Hitler that the world should really fear. Lindbergh
June 1941 Sell That to the Suckers in the USA
There's Lots More.
Linky

"What happened to freedom of speech?"

I've been wondering the same thing about many Muslim countries, where simply airing unpopular opinions about Muhammad (e.g. Isioma Daniel, Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, 295-C) gets you not only fired, but jailed and even killed.

Maybe a bit of that "chickens-coming-home-to-roost" a la Ward Churchill at play here?

Now, now, folks. Is this any way to behave on the first day of Ramadan ?

I can disprove the 9/11 conspiracy theorists with some appropriate pieces of metal and a bunson burner. Sad really. Metal gets soft long before it melts.

I just did a quick search and there are dozens of sites which talk about softening steel at temperatures as low as 400-600 F.

I guess all the firemen in the world were in on the conspiracy?

How does temperature affect steel strength?

For hot rolled structural steel the yield strength reduces as the temperature increases dropping to about 60% of its ambient temperature strength at around 400°C and approximately 10% at 800°C. However the stress at 2% strain (normally reached when a steel floor beam attains its permitted limit of deflection) initially increases with increasing temperature reaching a peak value at around 250°C. The reason for this can be explained using metallurgical theory and involves a combination of work hardening and dynamic strain ageing.

My bad, the 400 is celsius. So 732 F was sufficient to seriously degrade the structural steel.

Facts, facts, facts.

"Stop trying to force the unpalitable facts down my esophagus."

"On the first day of Ramadan my true love gave to me
A cartridge and a spare for free;
On the second day of Ramadan my true love gave to me
A matching belt and vest
And a cartridge and a spare for free...

43 Beagle

This may not be relevant, but maybe - soft metal and all that.

Remember the steel beams from one building that impaled themselves through beams from another building, creating a field of perfect crosses? The one that was mounted on site is one of a number of crosses found in the rubble of building 6. At first I thought they were crossbeam sections, but no - the beams are imbedded through other beams.

Hot things going fast go through other things fast.

OT:

Nicholas Cage names his baby after Superman.

I guess there's no more good Earth names.

Rayra can't sleep?

#47 Rayra

Doesn't matter. As long as attendance is up and the teacher's union maintains its influence, all is hunky dorry.

I think Roger is owed an apology or two, by Sarah and a few others.

Roger, in his possibly overly terse posts, tried to explain that his neighbor wrote that 9/11 conspiracy tract, asked him to partake in the 'proof', and Roger being of sound mind and soul '...had the presence of mind to decline:-)'

Laz, if you can't figure that out, mayhaps you shouldn't be accusing others of illiteracy. It's pretty damn clear on a plain reading of his posts. And, 48 posts does not equal 1000+, how ever much you dislike Roger's neighbor.

So THIS is what Islamic paradise looks like. Where do you sign up?

#51 adam

I hate to jump into the middle of whatever it was that happened on this thread (I'm still clueless as to why Sarah said what she did, but it is none of my business...) but Laz was directed to the Monday Open Thread, which does have over 1000 posts today.

/Back to being Switzerland...

#53 Teamcheeser

....but Laz was directed to the Monday Open Thread, which does have over 1000 posts today.

Yeah, but if you click on Roger's football, you can read his specific posts on the open thread, rather than trying to struggle through the whole thread.

Still, I'm also not sure what this conflict between Rooger and Sarah D. is all about.

Here's Victor Thorn's ""analysis"":

Furthermore, it takes a temperature of 2,795 degrees to melt construction grade steel, yet the highest temperature jet fuel can reach is 1,517 degrees. Plus, all the jet fuel burned off within two minutes of the towers being struck, while two independent studies proved that the fires within each tower never rose above 500-600 degrees. In fact, FEMA revealed in their final report that, “The heat produced by burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapse.”

Well, duh. The huge jets slamming into the buildings at 400+ MPH probably had something to do with degrading the structural integrity of the building. Furthermore, a lot more than jet fuel was burning. The jet fuel acted as an igniter of everything else.

What a pitiful, miserably researched, piece of crap. I just debunked it with one quickie Internet search. "500-600 degrees" would have weakened the steel considerably - not to the point of wet pasta, but more than enough to cause the collapse.

OT -- Per WND, not a 100% reliable source, OU Bomber had jihadi literature.

Back on topic -- a question for our sleep-deprived physicists. If the towers fell because the steel softened, then how was the steel molten at street level? Was it the energy released by the collapse which must have been several per cent of a nuclear warhead? Or was it made molten by the fire itself?

#51 adamthemadman

Laz, if you can't figure that out, mayhaps you shouldn't be accusing others of illiteracy. It's pretty damn clear on a plain reading of his posts. And, 48 posts does not equal 1000+, how ever much you dislike Roger's neighbor.

It isn't clear at all. In #27, I assumed it was Roger's neighbor that was cracked, not Roger. In #35, I asked him a simple yes or no question, and got an evasion in response in #37. All he had to do was answer "yes" or "no", rather than direct me to a 1,000-post thread. And the fact that he turned down the guy's book offer does not tell you whether or not he believes 9/11 was a conspiracy.

I'm as confused as Teamcheeser, but at this point, I've lost interest.

#56 levi from queens

then how was the steel molten at street level?

I'm not in my element here, physics, but I'd imagine the pressure of the falling buildings would have increased temperatures considerably. Moreover, the fires raged for days under the rubble.

If melting metal is so freaking difficult, how did our ancestors do it with wood fires, primitive stone foundrys, and bellows made of animal hides?

Laz,

Assume = Guess what ?

[All he had to do was answer "yes" or "no", rather than direct me to a 1,000-post thread.]
So wait, he's supposed to find your query in a '1000-post' thread and answer it to your satisfaction; something you couldn't afford him.

Har, surely thou jest.

If this dolt figured it out on the first read, well, dude, I think sorry will do.

Thanks Beagle,

adamthemadman

I wasn't aware that you could click on someone's screen name to see all their posts. Maybe Laz didn't know it either.

Regardless, I'm still way confused about the turn this thread took and it looks like Sarah and Roger may have split. I'm not overly concerned about it, but I prefer to understand things and I much prefer to see folks getting along rather than saying, "You are a vile piece of..."

Oh well... it's between them, I guess.

The essence of the WTC twin towers construction was the shifting of the load -- as much as possible -- into the outer 'skin columns'. They were the strongest and thickest.

The essence of controlled demolition is to slightly pre-detonate the interior columns so that the exterior skin encloses the falling mass. With precision timing the structure goes straight down.

A Canadian outfit has made it their specialty.

Utterly without intent the terrorists recreated the dynamics of a controlled demolition. Obviously, they would have much, much preferred that the building fall over and create a domino effect all over lower Manhattan. In such an event, 9-l1 would have equaled Hiroshima++.

The melting/weakening effect within the steel is enhanced due to kinetic shock. It has the same physics as powder driven nails/ pins shot down into concrete across America. With great shock energy steel gets hot from compression in micro seconds.

(It is the shock of expanding gases -- a
gitating the crystal lattice of the steel barrel like a stiff cylindrical spring that greatly contributes to the heating of gun barrels. Try pumping a spring rapidly back and forth and feel how warm it gets.)

This is how, once started, the pancake collapse carried on down to levels that were not on fire.

Further, after the first layers dropped the dynamic force required to oppose further failure exploded due to the law of inertia.

You get a double whammy. The dynamic load is rising with each stage, the shock energy is heating the steel do to compression at fantastic speed.

In a way, we lucked out. Atta aimed too high. New Yorkers wisely bailed out of the next target. Only 3000 victims were lost. Bin Ladin intended to kill 100,000+ and collapse our economy.

#56 Levi from Queens

That's interesting stuff. I've tried to avoid jumping to terrorist conclusions on many false alarms in the past. But what happened at OU sounded more like a TATP 'work accident' than an ordinary suicide. Maybe he wanted the "jihadi literature" to learn to make explosives. But that still leaves a lot of unanswered questions. I'd like to know if this guy was a moonbat, for one.

Many of us have been expecting moonbat spontaneous detonation for quite some time. The mainstream media has done all they can to normalize this sort of pathological violence. It looks like we're going to reap the whirlwind the media has created by trying to make killing civilians comparable to holding up signs. Just another "militant" with "conviction" who explodes in or near a crowd. Ho-hum.

#56 levi

I too am not a physics major, but I believe that the weight of the upper floors falling was enough to take out the lower floors. It pancaked from top down. It looked like the top floors were simply disappearing as the building fell into itself, as I'm sure we all remember.

I do know that large objects moving at high speeds carry a lot of energy, which when stopped abrubtly (as in a floor falling into the one below) transfer the kinetic energy into heat.

#62 blert

You said it much better than I ever could. I'm embarassed that I was after your post, but at least I got the gist.

#61 Teamcheeser

I wasn't aware that you could click on someone's screen name to see all their posts. Maybe Laz didn't know it either.

See my #54. It's not the screen name you click on, but the football. Then click on 'Show comments within last seven days.'

Then you get options to view comments for longer periods. It's a very user-friendly way of keeping track of the comments of people you are debating with.

#67 Tweety

Thanks, Tweety!

I should've said that I didn't know you could click on something... not sure why I typed screen name -- sloppy, I guess.

I appreciate the tip though. Now all I have to do is debate someone and I will be better prepared!

#63 Beagle

I really hope it doesn't happen, but I'm surprised too that these Splodeydopes haven't started flaring up in the U.S.

A lot hasn't happened that I've expected to happen (at stadium events, or other large gatherings), which is good. It makes me think that maybe we are doing a lot more to protect ourselves.

To be honest, I was a little concerned about the football game in Mexico this week.

#68 Teamcheeser

Glad I could oblige. There's more to the heading than meets the eye:

Clicking on a screen name (those in blue) will enable you to e-mail them.

Clicking on the # will enable a link to that particular comment.

#70 Tweety

You are so learn-ed, Grasshopper! Thanks!

I am now going to try to instigate a debate so I can use what I have learned...

Donald Sutherland is a punk.

Let's discuss...

Just kidding (about debating, not Sutherland). I think I'm off to slumber.

'Nite all! 'Nite Tweety!

Habib, 30, a Guyana native who teaches junior high students in Ozone Park,

should he be teaching the young and vulnerable?

#71 Teamcheeser

Goodnight.

Not learned. Just the right side of computer illiteracy!

Donald Sutherland is an idiot and a fool....

He should have taken the points for Animal House!

Nuf said!

#69 Teemcheeser

To be honest, I was a little concerned about the football game in Mexico this week.

My wife thinks I'm crazy for pointing out all the soft targets like sporting events and other large gatherings. I can't help it. That's just how I think now.

"Well, honey, it's a brave new world."

This war is over 1,300 years old and most people don't even know we're fighting it yet. Muslims do. People constantly ignore the fact that 9/11 (along with Osama's other spectacular attacks during the Clinton years, including Mogadishu) changed Islam as much, or more, than it changed us. We got our wake-up call, sure. But the old jihad got a major shot in the arm also. As Osama put it in his 1996 fatwa, Clinton cut and ran as soon as they killed some of our Army Rangers.

Aside: thanks again, Les Aspin, for not providing the armor our commanders on the ground requested in Somalia - you ignoramus. Les didn't want to offend or scare the militias and 'technicals' who killed our troops, you see.

Nothing good will happen in this war until we put real pressure on Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, the State Department and the White House decided to exclude Saudi Arabia from a report on freedom to avoid offending our Bedouin overlords.

Not encouraging.

#75 Beagle

It is disturbing to see us forced to 'logroll' with KSA due to the oil market. But there it is.

Any further disturbance just gives the Mullahs even more nucko terror funding.

I just re-checked my tables of design strength values for steel (published in the British Standard series), and it decreases sensibly well below the melting point of steel.

Yes, what does "happen to freedom of speech" when a person criticizes Islam in their world? You get beheaded!

You get Screwy Louie Farrahkan claiming Bush bombed the levees and now this kook repeating a years-old conspiracy theory about the WTC being demolitioned. Can't Muslims accept the simple fact that there were murderous followers of Islam who followed through on their hate by going on a suicide mission to bring down those towers?

Wait, it was the Joooooooooooooooos!

Forget the strength of steel. Let people know the strength of one's fist. I am fairly well tired of people claiming their right to espouse hatred under whatever guise is convenient. 'Knock some sense' has meaning and relevance because ..... surprise it actually does make people think. That their words and actions have repercussions. That lies serving as a bed for intolerance and hatred, will be met with a greater firmament.

[Link: www.magpictures.com...]
"The War Within"
“A compelling and brilliantly realized evocation of a suicide bomber's world.” -Tina Brown, Washington Post

Must r e m e m b e r to put on anti-head explosion helmet. Must .... remember ....

Give us everything you have. Lay it all on us. Do it. NOW!
We will still be here. You won't. And then...utopia?
Do it. Let's find out a few things. Start to set some terms of engagement. Give us watcha got bitches.
Hamas parading down the street with your little martyr on your back...cute little splodeydope fetus. We'll take him and you before the first AK goes firing wildly into...nothing. You wanna die...we can help you out with that...easy terms. COME ON! DO IT BITCH!
FUCK WITH US!

Oh m'gosh - it's AM dead thread time !

And the thread is apparently quite dead. Wake up everybody - you're missing Ramadan !

Come on, now - only 28 more shopping days until Eid al Fitr !

I'm here .... wuz jus fix'n java #2, and cleaning up my bookmarks.

Hey Mike.

Just had a disagreement with a piece of electrical equipment... you know, they tend to get heated whenever something gets stuck between their terminals. No major problem tho.

Hey Mike,

The thing is that these people eat more on the whole than they normally would -- they just do it at different times of day.

What a farce.

Afternoon, all.

# 86 rednaxela

The trasition here has them not going hungry, that's for certain.

Meanwhile, a 'heh' from Tongue Tied.

Hallmark Blues

A mayor in Kansas is raising a stink about a Hallmark greeting card, according to the AP, saying it is offensive to people of his great state.

Topeka, Kan. mayor Bill Bunten officially complained about the card, which bears the title "CSI: Topeka" and features a cartoon of two people standing over a corpse, with one saying, "Looks like he was bored to death." Inside, it reads "Hope your birthday is anything but dull."

"I find it offensive," Bunten said. "It's probably drawn up by somebody from West Virginia who hasn't been here."

A Hallmark spokesman said the company didn't intend to offend anyone, and that they had hoped the people of Kansas would take the card in good humor.

It must be Muslim Chaplain Day.

Good ole West Point grad Chaplain Yee is back in the news.

One piece of good news from the UK:
Race chief attacks multi-ethnic dogma

On the other hand, another futile and illiberal attempt to reduce crime in Scotland.

#88 I was in 5/7 ADA in Bitburg, Germany. It was the outfit "Chaplain Yee" was in when he was an Air Defense officer.... Can say with authority that he was a squirrley little prick then....

"The Bush administration will use the mere suggestion of 'non-compliance' as cover for unleashing the Israeli hell-hounds on Iranian weapons-sites; following the strategy that has been in place from the very onset.

Schroeder, Chirac and Blair are as guilty of this impending aggression as the perpetrators in Tel Aviv or Washington. Iran has no nuclear weapons, no nuclear weapons-program, no plans for acquiring nuclear weapons, and no territorial ambitions. They pose no threat to their neighbors."

[Link: www.globalresearch.ca...]

Hey Intikab Habib -

It's simple —

islamic sons-a-bitches murdered 3,000 people on 9-11, by hijacking airplanes and flyng them into buildings.

In case you haven't figgered it out.

Oh, and Americans on the last plane put 2 and 2 together while that one was still flying, and they fought back.

So screw you and your "opinions"

No. 55 Beagle and everyone

Steel is ductile even at room temperature,and the exterior load bearing columns of the WTC would have failed even at room temperature when enough of their connections to the floor joists were gone, because the columns would have then been too long in relation to their "unsupported length" and they would have moved sideways out of the way of their loads. Euler's famous formula describes this.

Anyway these conspiracy people don't know what they are talking about.

Ojoe (architect)

92 ojoe

islamic sons-a-bitches murdered 3,000 people on 9-11, by hijacking airplanes and flyng them into buildings.

im sorry ojoe,
but me and karl rove brought 48 big truck loads of fire wood and tried to set the basement on fire.
but the fire up stairs kept sucking the fng matches out of my hands.
you ever try to lite a piece of fire wood with a match. it was hell. but finally all the airplane fuel set the wood on fire, that is why you saw so much black smoke,
firewood.
im in the process of writing a 499 page book to be sold in saudie arabia.
my publisher thinks we will make millions.
/dont laugh,
my story is better than theirs.

Habib’s comments, unseemly as they may have been to some, should not be completely dismissed, said Ghazi Khankan, an Islamic affairs consultant from Westbury. “What happened to freedom of speech?” said Khankan, adding that Habib’s comments should not have rendered him jobless. “If he has a political opinion, it should not affect his work or his position. Before we condemn, we must investigate ... question the Imam further as to why does he believe this to be so.

freedom of speech,
adding that Habib’s comments should not have rendered him jobless.
go to work and call the boss a turd,
and see how long before you are jobless.

/freaking maroons.

#94-now that was funny! Good way to begin my day! Even better way...Boss was fired yesterday! Sometimes incompetence is appropriatly rewarded! On the down side- until the new manager is hired (I turned down the job) I'm temporarily in charge.

#93 Ojoe,

Thanks, been waiting for that one. No one seems to want to mention it.

LD^2 (structural engineer)

Oh, and Americans on the last plane put 2 and 2 together while that one was still flying, and they fought back.

Besides all the face-value evidence and plain ol' common sense, this is the kick to the groin of these kinds of conspiracy theories. If one target, the WTC, was rigged for greater damage, wouldn't it be fair to assume that the other targets were too? And when that flight's mission failed, was its target somehow de-rigged? It would be laughable, if it weren't so stupid.

Search for Bodies Ends in New Orleans
Oct 04 4:28 AM US/Eastern

By AMY FORLITI
Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

Officials ended their door-to-door sweep for corpses finding far fewer bodies than once feared and school children returned to classes as New Orleans revved up efforts to recover from Hurricane Katrina.

The search for Katrina victims ended in Louisiana with a death toll at 964, substantially less than the 10,000 victims some officials feared.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Meanwhile ..... the search for intelligent life in MSM and the Dem party continues.

No, no, wait, I got it!

Nobody here is thinking about the impressive array of Rove's death machines. Think about it. Rove has at least a massive weather machine and "brain-wave" machine that can make anybody blindly follow W, so why can't he have a device that uses focused lasers to weaken things, say, like steel beams.

Here's how it goes. W calls his pals in Saudi Arabia and tells them to commence with Operation "Keep Me in Office Forever". Mohammad Atta and the rest of the sorry bunch yell "Allah Ackbar" and proceed to hijack the planes in lieu of the operation. Rove, being the evil genius that he is, isn't sure that the planes by themselves can bring down the Towers. Hence, at 8:00 a.m on September 11th, Rove uses his device to focus laser beams on selected points of the Towers, weaking them far in advance so that when the planes hit, the resulting energy of the explosions is more than enough to bring both the Towers.

Yes, yes, it all makes sense! Damn you, Bush!

/Tinfoil hat off, Moonbat mode off

I want somebody to write and compare two things in an article:

1. Free speech is a basic human right to expression. Authors who write stuff that angers the Imams into issuing Death Fatwas need to have their rights protected.

2. On the other hand, irresponsible views such as this a$$ wannabe Chaplain's conspiracy theories warrant his dismissal from the Job.

How can we reconcile these both?

Where does free speech end?
What are the responsibilities when one makes a statement, whether factual or as a opinion or as a piece of fiction like Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses?

Is there any book or online articles that lucidly speaks all about 'free speech'? Please let me know.

@ 100

Yes, yes, it all makes sense! Damn you, Bush!

you forgot osodom bin laden.
he wants to keep bush in power because more young people will join alquida, screw the spelling.
we should make bush king of america,
screw the democrts.
then one world order,
30 cent gas per gallon.
islamsick slaves,
this is a real power surge.

#100

Nobody here is thinking about the impressive array of Rove's death machines. Think about it. Rove has at least a massive weather machine and "brain-wave" machine that can make anybody blindly follow W, so why can't he have a device that uses focused lasers to weaken things, say, like steel beams

Do you mean (pinky raised to side of mouth) his "sharks with frikkin' lasers on their heads" were responsible? Or, the Dr. A. Parson's project -- that POTUS calls his "Death Star" -- that GWB funded as his first action after he was sworn in to office?

"Frevert was reported to the police for posting derogatory comments on Muslims on her website"

[Link: www.cphpost.dk...]

WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton dumped her teen-marketing guru yesterday, after The Post revealed that the unconventional adviser had vilified 9/11 victims.

"Her project has been completed, and she will not be doing additional work for the campaign," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said.

Consultant Gia Medeiros, who believes tales of the supernatural can be used to pitch products to teens, slammed some 9/11 victims just weeks after the attacks.

"All of those people who died that day, those folks who we've heard toasted as angels and heroes and martyrs, well, they weren't all good people," she told a forum at the time.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

As yesterday's SCOTUS nomination proves, Rove isn't error free.

Hello everybody,

A quiet afternoon over here, it's the holidays.

What's going on?

Hey Golden J!

I'm still reading:

Redescription of Euglena rustica (Euglenophyceae), a rare marine euglenophyte from the intertidal zone.

/yes, I have no life.

Morning Golden .... oatmeal for breakfast here in Cali. Then coffee #3 (drinking more joe now that I don't puff ciggies).

"TOKYO -- Flamboyant Japanese Internet tycoon turned politician Takafumi Horie said on Monday that he would bring Arab news broadcaster Al Jazeera to Japan, hoping to provide the public a greater variety of views. "

[Link: www.metimes.com...]

#108 Sarah Dee:

Heeey there!

It's good to see ya! Studying biology, I take it?

How's the lil' future wres'lin' queen? :>)

#110 Golden Jerusalem

Yep, working on a paper.

The Wrastling Queen is grounded, cape and all. Even future WWF stars need to clean up after themselves!

The "chaplain" wannabe HAS a job, God help us, he TEACHES our CHILDREN his twisted views. Only in America!

What was even MORE unacceptable was the fact that he wanted to be a "chaplain" (someone who gives solace and aide and counselling) TO A NY FIRE DEPARTMENT!

That would be the same as hiring a PRO LIFE MILITANT to be the grief counselor at an ABORTION CLINIC! does anyone imagine the "freedom of speech" applies in that case?
Or perhaps the Muslims would hire a Madam to teach their young girls.

That's why we didn't knowingly hire, or retain, ANYONE in the CIA, NSA, or Secret Service, who was a member of the Communist Party.

And that is why The Democraps wouldn't hire Karl Rove. But hey...free speech! the Dem's yell. They support FREE speech LESS than anyone.

Every try being a Republican in the Public School system? I am. I am VILLIFIED, TOLD TO SHUT UP, NOT ALLOWED TO VOICE MY OPINIONS, etc etc etc...the list goes on. During the elections, my tires were punctured no less than 5 times, and I park in the "teacher's" parking area.

Habib should be deported back to his native African country where he can teach his poisonous beliefs to his own people.

#111 Sarah D:

Lol, yeah.

It's amazing how the kids can cover the entire floor space of a house with toys and things in no time.

Picking up afterwards now, that's a different story...

# 107 GJ

First day of Ramadan here.

# 91 Elmo

That quote needed only one word at the end to clarify it:

"Yet."

#101 jagan
1. Free speech is a basic human right to expression. Authors who write stuff that angers the Imams into issuing Death Fatwas need to have their rights protected.

2. On the other hand, irresponsible views such as this a$$ wannabe Chaplain's conspiracy theories warrant his dismissal from the Job.

How can we reconcile these both?

"Free Speech" doesn't mean one is free from all critics. It means one is free from legal prosecution about it. The Iman in question can say any crackpot theory he wants, and he won't be arrested for it. That's the "free" part in free speech. It doesn't mean one never has to deal with the consequences of that speech, only that the state cannot punish someone for what they say.

If I'm a boss and one of my workers constantly shouts white pride slogans, I should have the legal right to fire that person (for scaring away customers for example). The white supremist still has the right to say what thay want, but I shouldn't have to employ them. She just has to go somewhere else for a paycheck.

As for protection against Fatwas for authoers - that's more of protecting a person's right to live free of violence and threats of violence. Not just a free speech issue. If the Imans issued a boycott of the books, that's fine (unless they have legal authority to ban the books as well) - but death threats are different.

Its time to stop pussyfooting around with Islamosupremacists. Don't just stop them from from getting government jobs. Deport them. Anyone like Dr. Abdul Jamil Khan, of Muttontown, the semi-retired chairman of pediatrics at Brooklyn’s Interfaith Medical Center, should be sent packing. He does not belong in the United States of America.

If he meerly believed the world was flat or the moon were made of green cheese, that would be fine. Does anyone doubt he would ultimately present his neighbors with a choice of Islam, dhimmitude or death? Get him some new neighbors real quick.

D'oh.

"authors" in the above.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

#114 Mike C.:

Hey Mike,

First day of Ramadan here.

Damn, and I know you're not kidding either!

So, do you rub it in their faces and have like a huge lunch or what? :>)

# 112 Leonidasofsparta:

Habib should be deported back to his native African country where he can teach his poisonous beliefs to his own people.

To pick a nit: Habib is from a continent a little closer to home. Guyana is in South America (think Jim Jones, another loonie).

So, just to recap the main news:

France is paralyzed by socialist union workers, mostly gov't employees, on strike across the country...Good.

Turkey and the EU start negotiations for Turkey's accession to the Union...Mwahaha!

US troops are engaged in a major offensive against "insurgents" in Western Iraq...

What else?

# 119 GJ

So, do you rub it in their faces and have like a huge lunch or what? :>)

Wouldn't be very smart for a consultant. And you'd have to make it and bring it, 'cause there ain't a restaraunt open in the country. Now, in the Magic Kingdom, one could be arrested or even deported for doing something like that. So things could be marginally worse.

Mike C.,

I'm getting hungry just thinking about it. Bacon anyone?

#122 Mike C.:

Yeah, I know how it works, just kidding.

Are you getting any work done, at least?

Nation Police and The Courts
Published: 2/10/2005, 08:12 (UAE)

Driver jailed for bestiality

By Nasouh Nazzal, Staff Reporter
Ras Al Khaimah: A man has been sentenced to three months in jail after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality. The camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law.

A court official said the Bangladeshi, who worked as a driver, had been spotted going into his employer's barn on a regular basis. His employer became suspicious as his duties did not involve him dealing with animals.

[Link: www.gulf-news.com...]

I think I've got that Ramma lamma ding dong spirit now!

Then, it's not really a proper fast. They're allowed liquid, right?

I can't help but think that the world would be better off if muslims weren't allowed fluids for the entire month of Ramadan.

Sort out that tiny minority of extremists wouldn't it?

#125 Elmo:

Camel hump...

Ewwwww! ! ! Yechhh!

They should have reversed the punishment IMO and put the camel in jail for three months...

#127 Golden Jerusalem
"The official added the man told the prosecution that he had fallen in love with the camel"

TROPICAL WHACKINESS MAY HIT FLORIDA EAST AND WEST COAST!

Hurricane Stan about to make landfall as a Strong Cat 1, maybe a Cat 2, in SW Bay of Campeche!

It may survive the trip through Mexico into the Gulf of Tehuanapec and redevelop in the East Pac!

Meanwhile, still watching the Bahamas!

6Z GFDL shows wild and whacky things.

Canadian shows similar whackiness- tropical storm hits Florida, heading Northwest towards New Orleans, than blocked by super-mondo Canadian Arctic cold front pushing off Texas coast, so it dives South, then turns Northeast, then hits Tampa, and heads for North Carolina!

#121 Golden Jerusalem

What else?

I still hate Ken Livingstone - this time because he's put public transport prices up, yet again.

Mayor sets out 2006 fares package

#128 Elmo:

What a movie script that would be...

"The timeless story of forbidden love between a man and his domestic animal"

#126 GJ -

They're allowed liquid, right?

Nope, during ramadan, at my high school, the girls wouldn't even swallow their own spit during the fast. They used to spit in the wastepaper bins. Absolutely disgusting.

#130 smit:

Hey there!

What a game that was, v the Addicks the other day, huh?

I was down the pub, there was a whole bunch of Spurs fans and a single Charlton supporter, my friend.

Heh, what a change of fortunes that was.

Oh, and Red Ken remains firmly in the Top Ten of LLL Jerks I Hate...

#132 Smit:

F*ck me, that is disgusting!

#133 GJ - Yeah, great game. I love Keano!
We're sitting happily in the top 3.

What I particularly enjoy about this is that the top 3 clubs are Londoners, and the Ar*e aren't in there!

Table

It ain't easy being an evil supergenius, you know. Man, this is a tough crowd. Can I have a little patience, please? Geez.

#135 Smit:

Yeah, the Arse is looking somewhat unhinged after losing Paddy Vieira.

Warms the old THFC heart.

However, it's early days and you know we have some history of starting well, go all soft in the middle and finish up mediocre.

Even if the game v Charlton was exciting and a fantastic comeback, I can't help but wonder...I mean, if you go 2-0 down against any other side in the top of the league, I'm not sure it'd be possible to claw your way back.

But as any good Spurs fan, I remain foolishly optimistic.

132 Smit

Imagine all the kidney stones the Moozies must get during the Bombadon.

Way OT humor:

We know the 'serious' NYTimes gets things wrong, and does so often. Their Op-Ed page is no exception. Seems like they've been getting things wrong for quite some time:

"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools." -- 1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's revolutionary rocket work.

# 123 Sarah D.

Gee. Thanks a bunch.

# 124 GJ

Not enough to warrent my presence here. But as we say in the consulting biz, it all pays the same.

To celebrate the first day of ramadingdong, I plan to eat pork and drink beer!

Khankan said there are many other people, in the Middle East and in America, who question the conclusions of 9/11. “I hope this will create a movement to call for further investigation into the tragedy of 9/11 ... people can fume,” Khankan said, “but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

Guess where Khankan is from ..... CAIR! He is with the NY chapter and National Spokesman.

This is the asshole who said at a rally " "I bring to you salaams and greetings from the Mujahadeen at CAIR."

Wave-watch model shows pressure gradient between tropical or sub-tropical system in Gulf and super-mondo Canadian high in the Plains that pushes cold front off the Texas coast will produce gales and 4 meter seas just offshore Texas and Louisiana Thursday night and Friday. Small craft should exercise caution!

#136 Karl - You're up early!

#137 GJ - Yes & as a true spurs supporter I was glad about our loss to Grimsby. "Lets us concentrate on the league" - or so I said.

#138 Ed - I know, what a bizarre practise. 40 days of eating only at night.

I'm glad we know the answer to whether Muslim girls spit or swallow.

#142:

Lyserg
Säure
Diethylamid

People- head to the 1000 post long Monday Open Thread

Lets see if we can hit 2000 today. Maybe TFK will get the honor!

# 126 GJ

No. No eating, drinking, smoking or sex between sunrise and sunset.

#146 Ed:

LOLOL!

Damn, I wanted to say something like that! :>)))

# 144 smit

28/29 days. Lunar month, you know.

And from my own little battered corner of the world, comes this, courtesy of our RoP friends, the palis:

A Palestinian woman brandishing a knife charged a female soldier at a checkpoint outside the West Bank city of Nablus on Tuesday, stabbing her in the face before soldiers shot her dead.

#153 AI:

What've you got against women in combat?

Don't you just love how these miserable motherf_____rs weep crocodile tears for Freedom of Speech? They must've learned such tender sentiments in their f___ing madrassas, no? Excuse me while I go hurl up my breakfast....

154 Golden Jerusalem

I was gonna say, if it's hand to hand and close quarter combat, nothing at all against it.

But that's just my opinion.

Breaking:

Pakistan nab top Taliban spokesman...

And not too rough either.

Can't have anybody getting hurt.

Mass depoortation is long overdue.

#157 Golden Jerusalem

You got a link to this.

I think it's proven in several armies the world over that women can perform well in combat.

#160 scoreboard44:

It was just on the Beeb, now they cut to the Putin-Blair press conference.

Funny I understand a bit of Russian nowadays, after seven years in Israel.

Anyways, hang on, i'll try to find a link there...

Good Morning Friends!

Foggy morning here....what's the good word?

No link on the Beeb website as yet...

Will check for other sources...

165 Golden Jerusalem

link link link!

I hope it's true and it's the dude that's always ib the videos spouting off.

{ {LoppyDee} }

Still trying to find a link to that story on the BBC...

Good Morning Troop !

Good Morning {Golden Jerusalem}!

#153 Infidel, As for Guiliani, as much as I consider abortion murder, I can ignore it to elect someone who will fight the WOT, as for gun control I can not. The right to bear arms is what enabled our Great Republic to be able to fight for our FREEDOM from the king's tyrany! And, when push comes to shove, it's what allows us , the people, to keep our freedoms from the oliogarcy.

#154 Women who volunteer for the military and collects de check can die as well as I can. "It's the job stupid!"

Weird, Reuters doesn't have it either, yet.

In 35 mins they run the headlines on BBC World again, I'll watch it a bit closer then, I guess.

Good Morning {RECON}!

first.

www.msn.com STILL has that stupid DeLay story up.

don't they have a fricken clue that other stuff has happened? maybe they should get their heads out of their asses.

second.

I'm in no mood to be at work today.

third.

hi.

I apparently need to take back the first part about msn.

apparently my stupid computer, in its total lack of ability to do anything of value, has been bringing up the MSN page from the 28th of September, and has been doing it SINCE the 28th of September.

I don't know what's causing that, but right now I don't care.

Good morning, AI. Sorry, trying to load some data to this POS workstation and software.

How did this get past the Guardian censor? Iraqi unit dishes out worse than it gets:

In Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, insurgents attacked an Iraqi army patrol, setting one vehicle on fire and sparking a gunbattle. Gunmen in black hoods were seen carrying machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades in Ramadi's streets, and Iraqi civilians gathered around the two burning Iraqi army pickup trucks. Some civilians celebrated the destruction by carrying around Iraqi military helmets and a military uniform taken from the wreckage.

But the insurgents appeared to have taken the worst of the fight. Seven gunmen were killed, said Capt. Jeffrey Pool, a U.S. military spokesman. No casualties were reported among the Iraqi troops.

#178 LanceKates:

Have you tried deleting your temporary internet files? Perhaps set the browser to check for a new page every visit? That is assuming you are using IE.

#181 lthr

i'm on a network and I can't access most computer functions besides running programs.

I had to have tech support make a special trip up here to download java so that I could view the website of a city that was only in java.

#182 AI

and his roomate disappeared. apparently got back LATE last night. no one really knows him, but they say he looks middle eastern.

Cool, at a press sonference with the EUros, Putin reminded the EUropeeans that they depend on Mother Russia for virtually all their natural gas and a large chunk of their oil imports...

The company Gazprom just took over Sibneft (Avrahamovic's company) and already gobbled up Yukos (and landed Khadarkovski in jail).

Gazprom has now consolidated its control over the Russian energy sector.

Gazprom's majority shareholder?

The Russian Federation, he-heh. Say what you want about him, I reckon Putin knows what he's doing.

“I hope this will create a movement to call for further investigation into the tragedy of 9/11 ... people can fume,” Khankan said, “but opinions are good because they can bring solutions if they are aired and discussed.”

Sure, you can share your opinions. Just get the f*ck out of the USA, then discuss them somewhere else.

182 American Infidel

What they didn't mention was his Pakastani roommate who supposedly didn't know a thing about any of the explosives. Yeah.

183 LanceKates

I was pissed off yesterday.

Go ahead. Spout. Your amoungst friends.

Hey GJ...Link! Link! Link!

I need to see bad guys go down today. Tired of waiting. Want action!

#186 Golden Jerusalem

So the Russian energy sector just reverts to the the way it was run before the fall of the USSR.

#188 E2M

the ethnicity of hte roomate hasn't been verified. its an assumption, based on reports of what he looks like.

that'll come out today, he finally went back to his place late last night.

I'm still saying that his explosion was an accident... that he was on his way to go blow people up at halftime, but while sitting on the bench 100 yards away from the stadium, waiting, he accidently went off.

#182 AI

So why am I not surprised, especially given Hinrichs' little jihadi beard?

#189 scoreboard

nah, that's ok. I"ll just be pissed off afterwards anyway, just as I am now.

just a series of annoyances that all hit at once.

besides... some here say that i'm just a whiner.

FOREIGN fighters who have used Iraq as a combat training ground are returning home with plans to mount similar attacks throughout the Muslim world,

Chickens going home to roost. Maybe all those countries shouldn't have let them go to Iraq in the first place.

A man has been sentenced to three months in jail after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality. The camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law.

Nice to see that camels have the same "rights" as Muslim women.

#190 Ward Cleaver:

So the Russian energy sector just reverts to the the way it was run before the fall of the USSR.

Not exactly. Gazprom's majority shareholder is the Russian Fed., but IIRC it's about 60%.

The remainder is held by private companies and individuals, I think.

I just like the fact that Putin was so blunt about the EUroweenie dependency on Russia for energy at a joint press conference with Barroso and Blair.

As we say in Hebrew: Megi'a la'hem [Serves 'em right]

#30 Sarah D.

After wading thru the Monday open thread and reading Roger's posts, I concur. Not that it matters.

191 LanceKates

They were saying Pakastani on Free Republic. Whether this is speculation or inside knowledge, I don't know.

#195 AI

Ohhh come now, they wouldn't want to alarm Americans that they may be exploding at football games, baseball games, hockey games, their malls, their restaurants...

I do remember after 9/11 all sports events were shut down for quite some time (which pissed people off at my college who lived on Sports Center... they even put the Television in the Student Union on Sports Center and were pissed of when Sports Center was talking about the terrorist attacks... what the hell did they expect? there were no fricken sports being played, dolts!)

This is now two underreported events involving muslim terrorists in Oklahoma.

#200 E2M

speculation. The people who live next to this guy don't even know where he's from. they just think he's middle eastern.

He very well could be from Pakistan, but saying it now seems to be just a repeated rumor.

There are alot of Pakistani people here though, so it may be an 'educated guess'

193 LanceKates

My kids four year old Compac went ballastic last Thursday and wouldn't let me get past starting up before rebooting itself. I had to go out and get an upto date Anti Virus to check it out and an external hard drive case to save the damn drive just in case. Still working on it.

My damn oven went out on me. i gotta fix that. I couldn't find a damn light bulb to replace a blown one even though I probably have 30 extra's somewhere in the house. I couldn't find my umbrella yesterday that the kiddies borrowed and it was raining.

My lousy 1964 gray brick front porch is disintigrating on me and two guys have given me quotes for $1800 to replace it.

I gotta wood gate fence that began to tilt inward when the cold starting coming, so I had to fix that Sunday night or the dog would get out....

And MY DAMN CAR CHIRPS LIKE A CRICKET. STUPID BELTS WON'T STAY QUITE!

That was my Monday. I feel a little better today.

Anyone seen Bubbles around? I have a medical question for her....

#203 American Infidel

Godd Morning Comrade.

#204 scoreboard

could be a motherboard issue, depends on where it reboots.

Also, I've seen a virus that changes the autoexec.bat file to include a line to reboot the computer.

as for the rest, can't help you there.

though I do need to call to make an appointment to have my truck's ac worked on. I have to call ahead and schedule so that they can have someone there who can do the retrofit.

its a 1991 Chevy silverado 1500. 212,000 miles on it as of Sunday.

The response time of the FDNY to reach Mr. Habib's house has just increased dramatically. I hope this guy has plenty of fire extinguishers and has tested his smoke detectors this month...them fire boys ain't gonna be too happy about this guy's opinions.

scoreboard44:

Check this link:

Beeb news

Look at the ticker on the top of the page.

It's the only thing I could find.

I'm sure we'll hear more of this later.

CAIRO [MENL] -- The European Union plans to establish a security presence in the Gaza Strip.

Egyptian officials said EU security forces would help impose control and prevent smuggling between the Gaza Strip and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula. They said EU inspectors would also man the Palestinian Authority airport in the southern Gaza Strip as well as the sea port near Gaza City.

[Link: menewsline.com...]

?

Well, Ann Coulter didn't predict Harriet Miers by name, but she predicted he would dissapoint.

Now Bush has Sandra Day O'Connor's seat to fill. For those conservatives confident that Bush won't betray them, let's review Bush's other ideas about what constitutes a good Republican.

In 2002, Bush backed liberal Richard Riordan in the Republican gubernatorial primary in California against conservative Bill Simon. This triggered a series of events that culminated in Arnold Schwarzenegger becoming the governor of California. But I don't think even liberals would claim Karl Rove had a plan for California voters to elect Democrat Gray Davis, erupt in a rage at him, and demand a recall election in which a famous Hollywood actor would enter the race and beat the sitting governor.

In 2004, Bush backed liberal Republican Arlen Specter over conservative Pat Toomey in the Republican Senate primary in Pennsylvania. Bush still lost Pennsylvania and, worst of all, Specter won. So that worked out well.

In 2004, Bush backed Mel Martinez for the open Senate seat in Florida and asked the magnificent Katherine Harris not to run against him, so she graciously bowed out. Martinez has since called on Bush to shut down Guantanamo. What's Spanish for "buyer's remorse"?

Also this year, Bush is backing developmentally-disabled Lincoln Chafee over the only Republican in the race, Stephen Laffey, Harvard MBA and mayor of Cranston, RI. Chafee opposes Bush on taxes, Iraq, abortion and gay marriage. This man is literally too stupid to know he's a Democrat. If Chafee hadn't inherited hundreds of millions of dollars, he would be living in a shack tending weeds. In the last election, Chafee famously refused to vote for Bush, instead writing in Bush's father.

#211 AI

I'm not suprised by the media... and I can understand the desire, of the government, to avoid mass panic...

but you'd think with support for the War on Terror fading, that they would WANT to bring these cases into the limelight, to galvanize support.

Abdul Latif ahimi [sp?]

Chief Taliban spokesman for remnant Taliban forces, responsible for attacks in Afghanistan arrested in Pakistan

Is this the DT?
More dhimmitude in Tampa. It makes me sick. I just want to scream "wake up!".

TAMPA - He's the spokesman for an Islamic organization; she's a rabbinical chaplain at a hospital.

But Ahmed Bedier and Kate Fagan have something in common today: They're both observing the holiest time on their respective faith calendars, with Monday's sunset onset of the month of Ramadan and the Jewish High Holy Days.

The last time this unusual religious confluence occurred was in the 1970s, when the observances fell at the same time for three consecutive years beginning in 1973. Their timing is based on two different lunar calendars: Muslims are marking the year 1426, while in the Jewish calendar, which combines the sun and moon, it is year 5766.

"Something like this doesn't happen very often," said Fagan, who works at Bayfront Medical Center in St. Petersburg. "That's why we're going to take full advantage of the timing of our two holidays as an opportunity to build community and understanding."

Next week, Tampa Bay area Jews and Muslims will take an unprecedented step toward changing attitudes between two faith groups with a violent global history.

Fagan and Bedier were among those who recently formed Serving the One, a local interfaith group aimed at bringing together people of diverse faiths. Members seized upon the timing of these two sacred observations for their first public event.

On Oct. 13, the group will sponsor a Breaking the Fast meal on the St. Petersburg campus of the University of South Florida. For Jews, that day will mark Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement, when observers fast from sunrise to sundown and pray to God for forgiveness for the promises they have broken. Yom Kippur concludes the High Holy Days. For Muslims, who also fast in the daylight hours during Ramadan, it will be the middle of their holy month.

"This is a catalyst for us to come together," said Bedier, spokesman for the Tampa chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations. "We're living in trying times. Instead of always focusing on what makes us so different, we want to concentrate on how we're alike."

The community fast-breaking is being promoted nationally by Rabbi Arthur Waskow, founder of The Shalom Center, a Philadelphia-based network of American Jews who draw upon religious traditions and spirituality to "seek peace, pursue justice, heal earth and build community." On his Web site, Waskow calls the confluence of the two holidays "God's October surprise."

Among his suggestions for the month: Encourage people of all faith traditions to eat together, learn more about one another's religions, listen to one another, pray alongside one another and work together for peace and justice. He also includes Christians in the mix, saying they can use this period to learn about their Jewish and Muslim neighbors.

Tampa Tribune

BBC News, Pakis say very little about the arrest, the f*cker's being "questioned", mwahahah

Apparently nabbed in Northern Frontier Province of Pakistan, no surprise there

#216 GJ

There is a link now.

208 LanceKates

If worse comes to worse, I'm gonna suck the info outta the hard drive and put it on my Dell in my basement. Then Reformat the Compac (hopefully).

My next vehicle is gonna be either a GMC, Chevy or Ford truck. I got kids and got sucked into purchasing a minivan (1997. It's mine now. I own the damn thing) that is somewhat Lavender in color. I used to have a Ford Ranger that I ran until it just literally died in my driveway. Whole right front side just dropped to the ground after pulling into the driveway.

Driving a Lavender colored vehicle sucks the testosterone right outta ya'.

#203 AI

There's an article about Hinrichs in today's Oklahoman. No mention of the I-word, but some interesting passages, like:

"Joe was widely admired by people, but because he was never able to validate personally, he wasn't able to bond and have relationships," said his father, Joel Hinrichs Jr., from his Colorado Springs, Colo., home. "He was very bright and very alone."

WTH does that mean? He was a social retard? I guess that would make him a prime candidate to join the RoP.

Also, the FBI isn't saying anything. They won't even reveal his roommate's name; he was apparently a loner, too.

Here's the link:

[Link: newsok.com...]

Bugmenot info, in case you need it:

User: junk@abc.com
Pswd: junk

Here's the link

Caption Bleg: I can't remember the name of the gay ex-Marine who serves as Cindy Sheehan's personal bodyguard. Little help?

I hate it when I spell a word wrong in a link, and still miss it when I preview.

It lessens the beauty of my post, and any post where I quote Ann Coulter, is, by definition, a beautiful post.

#219 m:

Oh, brilliant, yeah, there it is.

Cool.

Got taliban man linky

#223 AI:

Put it this way, if the EU allows Turkey to accede, they're doomed, doomed I tells ya!

Greetings, scaly ones. So yesterday was everyone's bad day; that means today will be better, yes?

210 Golden Jerusalem

Got it.

thanks.

#162 American Infidel:

Women would have a distinct advantage in combat if up against me or either of my boys.
I was raised, and so my boys, that you respect women, never put your hands on a woman (as in strike) as only a punk ass bitch would do so and mind your manners when in the company of women.

I guess I'd get my guts ripped out while asking "Mam, that rifle looks awful heavy,
can I carry it for...aaagghhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I would have a very difficult time in hand to hand - she'd have to land the first blow -and if I could shake it off, probably the second.

Time to amend my child rearing ways ?

#205 loppyd

Bubbles isn't normally a morning person (yesterday was exceptional).

Good morning everyone! It's pouring rain here this morning...not draining off the roads fast enough...darn near had to paddle to work this morning! :-)

You have people for whom "high tech" means getting a new saddle for their camel. You expect they can understand building engineering when the only buildings they know are mud huts? Please! The phrase "stuck on stupid" had the Middle Eastern Arabs in mind. All their theories about 9/11 are based on a firm foundation of gross ignorance.

#227 Golden Jerusalem

They are doomed regardless. All the entry of Turkey does is hasten the process. Instead of Europe becoming Islamic in my sons lifetime, it will instead happen before my eyes.

Sandspur

Here's the money quote:

pray alongside one another and work together for peace and justice.

Whenever you see "peace and justice" together it is time to panic.

Re: EU-Turkey accession talks.

However, all 25 current EU member states would have to ratify.

Could be an obstacle, to put it mildly.

#223 AI

As I said yesterday, Europe has signed its own death warrant.

#231 leftover54

Unfortunately, a muslim in combat would not only rip a womens guts out, he'd enjoy doing it.

OT quickie request for info...

A client in Israel concluded an eMail with "Sauna Tova".

What does it mean and what might be an appropriate reply?

# 212 Elmo

I sure hope they're well-supplied with their favorites weapons - stern letters.

PIMF "Shana Tova"

#243

Darn that Pimf. I was going to suggest it means "you're hot"

#222 V the K

His name is Jeff Key. Go here:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

#245 hockeymom

Darn that Pimf. I was going to suggest it means "you're hot"

If you could see me, you'd know how funny your quip truly is...

OT:

Melanie Morgan is back at KSFO in San Francisco. She wasn't forced out by CAIR or NARAL. She credits her pit-bull contract lawyer with getting her back on the air.

#241 TenRing:

A client in Israel concluded an eMail with "Sauna Tova".

What does it mean and what might be an appropriate reply?

Heh, that's funny.

Meanwhile, to my great delight, France is once again imploding with social unrest and commie gov't workers paralyzing the country with massive strikes...

#238 Golden Jerusalem

The negotiations are quite simple. Either they let Turkey into the club or they get bombed.

Can you say "appeasement"? I knew you could.

# 228 vxbush

Optimist. Remember, short of armageddon, nothing is so bad that it can't get worse.

#236 AI

...while I tell her they should be caged and beaten...

Ouch!

#243 TenRing

Reply, "Happy New Year!"

#251 BIG:

Well, I reckon quite a few EU member states would be against admitting Turkey.

In reality, the time frame is decades, not years, if at all.

#214 Ed...

Kick ass Coulter piece. "Bob Shrum with a Good Cause". Ooh, that stings.

I used to think W was a Republican mold. But as time has passed, I think of him more as Gerald Ford, or Nelson Rockefeller. Ugh.

#255 BIG

Thank you.

LFG always comes through!

#246 --- Thanks, righty

#241 TenRing

A client in Israel concluded an eMail with "Sauna Tova".

That's hot.

#257

Yikes, what a screw-up! What I meant to say was:

"I used to think W was a Republican in the Reagan mold. But as time has passed, I think of him more as Gerald Ford, or Nelson Rockefeller. Ugh."

#259 V the K

So this mean some cool new captions are coming, featuring Jeff Key?

#262 Ward Cleaver

I'm starting to think of him in the LBJ mold.

#227 Golden Jerusalem

Put it this way, if the EU allows Turkey to accede, they're doomed, doomed I tells ya!

I don't know if Turkey will ever join the EU in the next few years. France and Germany have enough ecomomic problems as it is, without worrying about a flood of Turkish immigrants looking for jobs. It will be money issues that decide Turkey's admission/rejection, not social issues.

#259 V the K

You're welcome!

50 years from niow Muslim extremists will be gone, hopefully.

Gotta go do a few things.

I'll see you all later! :>)

WTF is up with Hollywood and stupid baby names?

Nick Cage named his kid Kal-El. That kid is going to be in therapy for the rest of his life.

Not to mention his beatdowns on the playground.

#267 Mattm

50 years from niow Muslim extremists will be gone, hopefully

Sure, but you forgot the date.
That sentence is dated 700 AD.

#262 Ward Cleaver - I wouldn't go that far, as yet.

I think the thing is with George W. is that he is just not as conservative as the LLL scream he is. He's got a war to fight & is trying to be as consensus led as possible of the home front.

#263 --- They're up. It's just one caption in a set directed at Mother Moonbat.

#270 acwgusa

I saw that this morning on the news and rolled my eyes. So goofy.

#270 acw

apparently he's a fan of Superman.

maybe he'll just go by Kal, skip the therapy, and go straight to the childhood beatings.

unless he goes to the special schools for the children of popular people, then he'll fit right in.

I used to think W was a Republican mold. But as time has passed, I think of him more as Gerald Ford, or Nelson Rockefeller. Ugh.

Tammy Bruce said that President Bush was "turning into Jimmy Carter."

"The reality is that two of the four dissenting members (the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist and retired Justice Sandra Day O’Connor) on the Kelo decision are now gone. The government is now larger than Franklin Delano Roosevelt ever imagined. President Bush is not an authentic conservative.”

Bruce added, "if Democrats accept a nominee like Miers, then conservatives are in legitimate trouble.”

After careful contemplation and thorough reflection Michelle Malkin now claims that the Miers selection is worse than previously thought...

A small minority of readers say we should wait and see, trust Bush, and hold out hope that Miers is a stealth candidate. This last line of defense is truly pathetic. We have a Republican House. A Republican Senate. And a Republican White House. Why is it, after working so hard to put a president in power who promised to appoint conservative judges, that we have to settle for crossing our fingers and accepting a blank-slate Supreme Court nominee with an ideological paper bag over her head?

Some of Mrs. Malkin's readers are even going so far as to call for Republican Senators to vote down Ms. Miers. That's pretty harsh.

#270 acwgusa

WTF is up with Hollywood and stupid baby names?

LOS ANGELES - September 31, 2026 (AP) - Kal-El and Apple Cage became proud parents early this morning. Doctors at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center announced that Apple Cage delivered a 7 lb 9 oz. boy this morning named Joshua Nicholas. Kal-El Cage is the son of Vice-President Nicholas Cage, and Apple Cage is the daughter of CBS President Gwynneth Paltrow.

#275 LanceKates

Really, can you see Superman riding the short bus?

I think I'm going to start making jokes right NOW.

#279 acw

without launching into a monologue from Mallrats, we'll just say that the kid had better learn to fight.

though really, with the stupidity rate increasing, maybe no one would make a connection.

Hey! Hey!

No bombing during Ramadan!

#237 hockeymum

I've been in panic mode since at least yesterday
;-)

#278 WWtW

NOT. REMOTELY. FUNNY.

Ok, I'm kidding, it was funny. But if Nick Cage were VP, I might suggest a revolution.

Give me a REAL woman