We all know it's true -- why can't the Nobel judges? Morons.

Good Morning Charles!

Wait, no offense to morons.

I have said this before:

The world has turned upside down.

MI5 warns against exports to organisations in Iran, Pakistan, India, Israel, Syria and Egypt

As if Israel and India are equivelent to Iran, Pakistan, Syria and Egypt?

"Kofi! Kofi! Pour me another glass of vodka, buddy, I'm about to get toreee up!"
"Listen, Momo. We just learned what everyone else already knew. You're a huge failure."
"Dude ... buzzkill."

/nobody can convince me that these goons don't talk like that.

The Nobel peeps know it is pure bullshit,making it ever more obvious to anyone with a brain that they ARE the enemy.UN included.

Charles' assessment of the Nobel Prize folks made yesterday was correct. Even Michele Malkin thought so.

I admit it, I read celebrity gossip blogs when I need a break from news of Muslim genocidal strategies, so last night I was reading The Gawker and somewhere between the Jessica Simpson story and the Britney Spears story was this jokey josh about the NY subway threat:

Forgive us if we’re a bit sluggish this morning, but we were blown up last night (19 different times, no less) in that captivating terror attack we were warned about. Serves us right, we suppose, for vigilantly supporting the MTA over the TLC.

More than anything, we’re amazed that Bloomberg, the NYPD, and the FBI claim the threat is “credible” ...

If we didn’t work from home we’d be so panicking right now. If you see 19 guys with backpacks on the train home tonight, SHOOT THEM IMMEDIATELY.

This is what we're up against as Armageddon gets planned.

While Bush and Blair brought down two WMD threats and are working on at least a third, the UN that obstructs and covers for violators gets rewarded. Liberal tools.

Sorry for #9! Really, I didn't do that on purpose. Michelle Malkin

The IAEA couldn't find a parking spot at the Meadowlands let alone any weapons, anywhere, anytime.

Did they say Nobel Prize? They meant No Balls Prize.

The world is upside down #5! WTF is wrong with the world? I really think the end is near, for real.

A prescient article in the London Times today: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...] We are living in darkening times.

This was soley meant as a slap to the US. Last year we wanted him replaced, the following year he gets the Nobel Prize. Bah!
I maintain he couldn't find his ass with both hands.

The Nobel committee said they had made the award because of the apparent deadlock in disarmament and the danger that nuclear weapons could spread "both to states and to terrorist groups".

So they gave him the prestigious award because he is failing in his all-important mission. How completely assinine is that? As far as the Guardian's story, I'd like to read more details of the who and what. That story alone doesn't have much substance to it other than to say the Islamic regimes are pursuing nuclear weapons. Was that supposed to be a surprise?

Nuclear Detonation

I don't know about you, but seeing the number of "accidents" these people have with simple explosives, I am not sure I want any nuclear material anyway near them...unless of course sent to them via air mail...

So thanks to people like ElBaradei for their peaceful pursuit of peaceful pursuits...one for all, all for one, every man for himself, my what is that glow on the horizon?

Algore was right, there is an alternate universe.
The one that the LLLs, the UN and the IAEA live in, and then there's the real world.

As if it wheren't enough that Bush killed thousands in hurricane Katrina, now he and Rove caused hundreds to die in the south Asia earthquake!

/Oh, the humanity!
//Sounding like a Liberal...

This is a handy list, but most of this information came out during the A.Q. Khan debacle. The UAE connection is news to me, but the states involved have been listed before. In other words, El Baradei deserved the Nobel Peace Prize only slightly less than Osama Bin Laden.

#16 ben b

That Sunday Times article is good, you're right. At least one reporter can tell it like it is. This is like living in some fairy tale where everyone is blindfolded and laughing and insane.

But ... got ten in England!

Ten men have been arrested by police investigating suspected international terrorism in the UK.
Three were arrested by Metropolitan Police anti-terrorism officers in Croydon, four in Wolverhampton and three in Derby, at around 0400BST.

Get 'em at 4 a.m. when they're not expecting it. Then get their friends. Then get their friends' computers. Then get their friends' friends. Then get their mullahs. Then...

This world is going crazy.
I have a really bad feeling about all this crazy talking about nukes.

I think the U.N. bought El Baradei the prize. They paid the Nobel committee with lessons on siphoning funds in front of everyone and still not getting in trouble for it.

The Nobel committee said they had made the award because of the apparent deadlock in disarmament and the danger that nuclear weapons could spread “both to states and to terrorist groups”.

Am I reading this right, or did they just say they gave the award because he has made the world much more dangerous?

I have it on very good terms from very credible sources that Kofi Annan will win the peace prize next year for his excellent management abilities at the United Nations. Shhh. Keep it to yourself.

Formerly, things such as a nuclear weapons program can only be achieved by a nation who has access to vast resources. Now individuals are have access, independent of a nation-state.

#25 SlothB77

Pretty close - they said that he failed to make the world safer, so they're giving him an award. The Peter Principle is alive and well at the Nobel committee.

I think he figures everyone else is armed. Might as well armegeddon too.

Just as as note of interest, the very fact that Bin Laden's right-hand man and father-in-law Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a letter to Zarqawi in Iraq, complaining about losing the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and pleading for money tells me that we are winning and we should just keep on doing what we're doing, in lieu of any better ideas. Zawahiri wouldn't have written that letter to Zarqawi if things weren't dire indeed. And asking him to cut back on the bloodthirsty bits is like asking a heroin addict to make do with aspirin. Not going to go down very well with the rank and file!

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

For their part, Al-Guardian is doing the moral equivelence thing, lumping Israel and India in with Iran, Pakistan, Syria and Egypt. Is there some kind of move afoot to distract attention from the dangers of terrorist nukes by confusing that with the legitimate defensive needs of Israel and India?

This gives us a great insight into the project to confront Iran and lays waste to prevaricators like Jack Straw. If it is such a massive network Iran will use any negotiations deceitfully to their benefit and categorically will not stop the nuclear weapons. There is no time for negotiations, rather it is time to put all the cards on the table and prepare to execute plan B when Iran doesn't show its hand, yesterday.

The Guardian reports fresh threats if the pressure on Iran to cooperate keeps up.

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran could stop U.N. inspections of its nuclear facilities, its top envoy said Friday, as tens of thousands of Iranians rallied in support of their country's nuclear program.

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told state-run TV that Iran would be entitled to put an end to unfettered inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency unless it changes its resolution on Iran at a November meeting.

18 mich-again

So they gave him the prestigious award because he is failing in his all-important mission.

There is no question that the Nobel Peace Prize has become more politically motivated in recent years, with the last few prizes specifically seemingly chosen as rebukes to US policy. This year is certainly no different.

But criticism of the IAEA as having "failed" to stop nuclear proliferation is, I believe, misplaced.

The IAEA has never been, and is not now, a law enforcement agency or a detective agency. It is more like a verification agency meant to ensure that signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty comply with the commitments they make. As such, it relies totally on the willing cooperation of the countries themselves. When the country in question is run by duplicitous thugs, it does not have a way to properly cope with that. So the fault lies in the structure of the NPT treaty and the nature of the UN, which is the product of its member countries.

The main point here is that while it would be nice to have peaceful rigorous enforcement of non-proliferation, it would be totally impossible becaue such a mechanism would need to be set up by the UN and there could never be agreement unless participation were voluntary. The only alternative is to invade and occupy which, as we've seen in Iraq, has the effect of spurring on some other countries to quickly develop nukes as a deterrent against invasion.

The other thing about the IAEA is that historically it has been more concerned with promoting atomic energy than in nuclear non-proliferation. The current Atlantic Monthly (sub. req.) has a very good article about the development of the Pakistani nuclear program and about how AQ Khan stole the technology to make it happen. There is a comment about the IAEA that is relevant today:

In the West the weaknesses of the Non-Proliferation Treaty were understood from the start. For the treaty to have weight it would have to be backed by the threat of sanctions—but even then, given the willingness of governments to "eat grass" to acquire such military capabilities, it was unlikely to deter serious aspirants from pursuing the bomb. The solution, therefore, would lie in the complex realm of export controls—restrictions on the sale of nuclear-related materials and components that might appear to be for peaceful purposes (research, health care, power generation) but could be used for weapons development. Emphasis was to be put on technologies that would allow countries to become self-sufficient in nuclear fuels—on uranium-enrichment and plutonium-extraction plants. Exports would be allowed to countries that had joined the treaty, subject to IAEA scrutiny on the ground, but would be banned to countries that had refused to sign, like Pakistan. The reliance on the United Nations posed obvious operational problems: the IAEA was a politicized bureaucracy, awash in national jealousies, and staffed by functionaries who considered themselves to be in the business primarily of encouraging nuclear-energy development.

In other words, even if the IAEA worked perfectly, it couldn't have done anything about Pakistan's development of nukes as it was the failure of export controls, not failure of inspectors, that caused the proliferation to happen.

BPP:

That's all well and good, but the IAEA was awarded the Nobel Prize for its work, which in fact is its directed purpose by the UN. It's not doing anything other than its intended mission - and not doing it particularly well at that.

It cannot enforce nonproliferation treaties or agreements, cannot act independently to verify agreements, and issues only meaningless and toothless harshly worded statements.

Now, as for nuclear proliferation, one of the problems is dual use materials. These are materials that could be used for nuclear weapons technology (or WMD tech at that), but also have peaceful technological uses. It includes specialized computer components, materials and intellectual property.

More on ElBaradei’s dubious level of achievement at the Times

Oh, that Times. I grew up in New York, read the New York Times back when it was a reasonable newspaper, and I still think of it, for better or for worse, when I see the name "The Times." Before I followed the link to the Times of London, I was in a state of shock from the thought that Gail Collins's rag might be questioning the Nobel committee's infallibility.

Once again the libs show us that it isn't what you do in life that is important but what you talk about. Sit in a room full of like minded pin heads and talk, talk, talk. That'll get you a nice prize from fellow libs. Actually go out and accomplish something and... well, that seems to make the lazy lib feel worthless so they in turn will ignore you - or worse, vilify you.

Thank God for MI5 and the like.

#34 BPP

You lost me here:

The only alternative is to invade and occupy which, as we've seen in Iraq, has the effect of spurring on some other countries to quickly develop nukes as a deterrent against invasion.

The Cold War model of nuclear deterrence is not a universal model. In addition to this, the Cold War was not the peaceful period modern analysts have created out of ether to justify horizontal proliferation to every dictatorship in the world. Until a nation can deliver sufficient nuclear throw weight to specific targets, nuclear weapons are bullseyes, not a deterrent.

Secondly, no nation on the list began development in 2003. Proliferation stems from A.Q. Khan's crusade to spread the Islamic Bomb all over the Islamic world "for reasons which must be all to obvious right now."

/Dr. Strangelove

Yasser called from his marble 'throne' to offer his congratulations.

Doesn't the Nobel winner get a million smackers? Party time Mohamed!

#35 Lawhawk

So, basically, it sounds as if both the IAEA and the UN are useless, and should be dumped in the trash bin of history.

(Something I've believed for a long time.)

I suppose they don't call it The Nobel Qur'an for nothing.

GIVING the Nobel Peace Prize to Mohamed ElBaradei is a slap in the face for the US.

This should be corrected to reflect it will be a "slap in the face for the WORLD."

The UN is the root problem -- EL. B.and the IAEA are just another example of UN incompetence--the UN resolve to extinguish the enormous threat of Nuclear Terrorism funded by the Islamic Nazis is non -existant--the impotence displayed is not due to lack of mandate or toothless legislation--E.G.--just the simple use of unscheduled inspection of nuclear installations has been under- utilized and the required followthrough by referral to the Security Council has not been a credible response to rebuffing of the existing UN mandates--as the threat intensifies this awarding of Nobel Prize is a dangerous affirmation of appeasment and ineptitude.

What Elbastard deserves is not tne Nobel Prize, but an unhealthy dose of radiation, so he may experience firsthand what he has doomed many people better than himself to undergo.

Also, this would rid the world of him once and for all.

Riddle me this Lizardoids,
If ElBaradei is so bad -- and he's a useless stiff, that's for sure -- why didn't the US oppose him being renamed Chairman of the
International Atomic Energy Agency this past year. Hmmm? I believe the US voted in favor
of him, from what I recall.

So why is Mr. Clueless back in charge ?

I as SO pissed about this. I should have gotten that award. After all, I've accomplished absolutely NOTHING, & with some panache

Aparently the Eastern view of diplomacy is to talk some and tehn go back to war. Tehre is a name for it, but I can't remember it.
The North Vietnamese did that. While at the negotiating table they would re-build supply lines and re-arm. From a western standpoint theys are liars and duplicitous scumbags.
However, in the Arab,Iranian, Egyptian view and Far eastern view, it is all cricket to be two-faced and re-arm.
El Baradei is from Egypt. He would expect nothing else; that a negotiating session would mean that the Iranians are moving ahead with the plan while talking to the Euros or the west.
We should adopt some of these strategies in the west. For example, when the negotiators are all together, that is the time to do the military strike, either on the Bushehr plant or Mullahs palace. the mid-east would respect that power and action. In WWII the Japanese govt was negotiating as the bombs fell in Pearl Harbor.
Apeasement gets us nothing but more war and mayhem. It would be nice to sit down with these mad f*cks but that is not what they respect.

#46 beautifulatrocities
The left will never get it. Doing nothing costs lives. Lives spent. Lives yet to be spent. To preserve our freedom. To do nothing. If it damn well pleases us.

And doing it with panache? The word is incompatible with islam (please don't tell anyone Fwench words have been used here today).

Forgive me, but I finally watched my first beheading video yesterday. I had resisted all this time. I thought it undignified. As if a part of me would be lost forever. Far from it.

The height of militant islamist culture. In celebaration. Proudly on display. Walking bug sh*t with smiles.

35 lawhawk

It cannot enforce nonproliferation treaties or agreements, cannot act independently to verify agreements, and issues only meaningless and toothless harshly worded statements.

This is too harsh I think. As I said before, the IAEA is only as strong as its political masters, the UN, will let it be. And the UN cannot be as strong as we would like because other countries disagree as to how seriously we should take non-proliferation.

It is pointless to blame the UN in this case. It is only the collective instrument of the member states trying to come up with a non-proliferation mechanism that the maximum number of members will agree to. OF course it is weak. But the alternative to the weakness of the IAEA is to have nothing at all. A stronger regime would have been rejected.

Maybe you can explain to me why nothing would be better than the something we have now.

The bottom line is that nuclear inspections have made it much harder for rogue regimes to acquire nukes. The fact that the Iranians and North Koreans were NPT signers and have let inspectors in matters a great deal. Without the NPT, there would be no way at all to get a fix on what's been happening. This is not to say that the IAEA or UN are so great or effective in an absolute sense, but relative to the alternatives, they're a net positive.

International orgs live to reward failure.

Who can forget "Soy Rigoberta Menchu" a pile of commie lies and falsehoods, the only thing true in the whole book was the title. Natch it got the prize for literature and when the truth came out they never repealed the award.

One thing is certain, Ariel Sharon will not be nominated nor ever win the peace prize for the Gaza pullout.

Look, the guy is doing a GREAT job.
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If you assume his job is to protect Iran while they develop nuclear weapons.
Hey, the guy is a Muslim, of course he wants Iran and all the rest of the Muslim world to have nuclear weapons. Only a LLL would think he could or would do anything else.

We MUST understand that while all Muslims are not terrorists, ALL Muslims support Islam taking over the whole world.

#49 BPP:

Because there is an alternative to what you claim is nothing or the meaningless something of the IAEA.

It's called the PSI - proliferation security initiative. It's the organization, led by the US, that has clamped down on proliferation of nuclear technologies without the assistance of the UN, but has done more in its short time than the IAEA can claim over the same period.

The PSI uncovered the Libyian connection, and that led Libya to get rid of its program.

#26

I have it on very good terms from very credible sources that Kofi Annan will win the peace prize next year for his excellent management abilities at the United Nations.

Too late Kofi got the prize in 2001:

2001: The United Nations and its secretary general, Kofi Annan, win the centenary Nobel Peace Prize. The committee praised the organisation and its leader for their support of human rights and efforts to solve conflicts across the world.

From a Mail & Guardian ([Link: www.mg.co.za)...] article dated today, Terumi Tanaka, a nuclear-bomb survivor, said
"I feel utmost regret that the prize has gone to a UN agency again. The UN and public organisations are just doing their jobs. I thought the prize would be best suited to an NGO like us [Nihon Hidankyo, the Japanese confederation of nuclear survivors] who have campaigned against nuclear arms and talked about the bombing experiences over the past 60 years."

I must agree with Mr. Tanaka.

Wait a second. I thought that El Baradai and the IAEA were being honored for their critical role in the nuclear arms trade. You mean to say they were trying to stop it? ///

#47 Big L.

I believe the name for it is called a delaying and re-grouping tactic. For lack of a better term I call it "sleight of hand” The Arabs is famous for this and unfortunately very good at it for some reason. But worse than that the American people have pretty much lost the will to do what it takes to win a war. All out, unfettered attack and destroy them into submission. If you mean it and show it they will capitulate. If you don't show it then they think they don't mean it and will take hope and solace in the fact they can out last you. This is precisely what the Viet Cong did. They were close to surrendering when Nixon started bombing the north relentlessly, but when it stopped due to pressure from the appeasers as inhuman; they knew to buy time and could win if they continued to drag it out. The same thing is happening with the war on terror right now. I am thinking as many of you the end of days is near

Nobel making the world less safe prize, is more like it.

lawhawk

It's called the PSI - proliferation security initiative. It's the organization, led by the US, that has clamped down on proliferation of nuclear technologies without the assistance of the UN, but has done more in its short time than the IAEA can claim over the same period.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges. The PSI was set up as a way to interdict products that had use as nuclear weapons components. The IAEA was set up to verify that countries complied with their stated use of those components to develop nuclear energy. The IAEA is NOT a detective agency.

So Kofi Annan took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes from Saddam to run the U.N.'s "Oil for Food" program.

I bet Dr. El Baradei is getting millions in bribes from Libya, Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc. to help conceal their nuclear programs.

Just hours after the announcement that ElBaradei and the IAEA had been selected to receive the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Commission itself announced the development of their first, low-yield nuclear device.

:-0

Might as well have given the Nobel Peace Prize to Colonel Gaddafi for giving up his nuke program and revealing more about the AQ Khan network! Or hell, the CIA, or whoever was responsible for figuring out about the AQ Khan network. They're the ones actually doing something to stop proliferation. The IAEA and Baradei are just there to take credit for everything else others do.

Perhaps El Baradei and the IAEA should have been awarded one of these prizes instead.

#49

Maybe you can explain to me why nothing would be better than the something we have now.

Being better than nothing hardly deserves a nobel peace prize. That is the problem.

The IAEA was set up to verify that countries complied with their stated use of those components to develop nuclear energy. The IAEA is NOT a detective agency.

This perfectly defines the mission view of the last 2 leaders of the IAEA - Hans Blix and elBaradei.

The role is not to seek out if nations are violating the Nonproliferation Treaty - the role is to ensure that the nuclear nations fulfill their role in the treaty to provide nuclear technology to signatories who wish to develop nuclear technology. As long as the "declared" sites aren't being used to develop nuclear weapons - then that is as far as these incompetents desire to take the IAEA. They can't be held "accountable" for undeclared sites / actions.

Let's consider that as we look at the nations who either developed nuclear weapons or had substantial programs since Blix's appointment in 1981 thru to today - North Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, and suspected efforts in Egypt and Syria. These nations proliferated nuclear weapons - with the help of France, Germany, Russia, China (some of the supposed teeth behind the IAEA) and the blind, incompetent eyes of Blix and elBaradei.

58 BPP 10/8/2005 11:53AM PDT

The IAEA was set up to verify that countries complied with their stated use of those components to develop nuclear energy. The IAEA is NOT a detective agency.

So? We should be impressed? They have FAILED in their mission repeatedly.

The UN embodies organized failure - it attracts leeches - it is ripe for the picking, time and again. It is a joke.

The Oil-for-Food Programme was set up for humanitarian relief. The money was scammed to terrorists and UN creeps, but hey - there was a program.

The UN issued a report telling us that Sudanese women continue to be raped by security forces. No action was taken, but they did issue a report.

Colosurfbum:

...the American people have pretty much lost the will to do what it takes to win a war. ... I am thinking as many of you the end of days is near

I am depressed at the inability or refusal on the part of so many Americans to reverse our half-assed war policy. It must be some fatal aspect of all democratic nations that they won't wage all-out war unless the knife is at their collective throat. Given the choice, the majority will choose sleep or denial over the harshness of fighting a real war.

It's a sick thing but, right now, we rely upon the continuing barbarism of our enemy to wake us up in time to win our victory.

SOME OF YOU MAY DISAGREE ON THE FOLLOWING...I believe the muslim world should get a nuclear device and to go as far as to detonate it in a Western country because then maybe those of us noy cowed but the islamo apolagists will finally be able to say SEE what we said all this time was true! No folks! call me an "islamophobe" all you want but they have two types RADICALS "sic" and SHEEP! and don't forget the THREE rules of islam... Convert, pay a huge tax or death!

At least the National Post in Canada had an editorial judging the prize award to ElBaradei for the farce it is. There are still some shreds of reality in the media of this country.

I was surprised it took so long for Charles to post a thread on this topic. I read the news yesterday, and was FLOORED.

If the Nobel "prize" had any credibility left at all, it's totally gone now.

What a disgrace, giving it to Mo-Mo. He's an appeasnik, and history will show what a stooge he was.

This izlamonazis will eventually get a nuke, and use it on the U.S. or Israel. And then the end of times won't be far off.

I'm more afraid for the future of humanity that I was at the height of the Cold War.

I wish it weren't so, but unlike the peaceniks that surround us, I have a clue.

are our governments protecting us?

Has anyone else here played the Peace Dove Game on the nobel prize website? It is amazingly stupid.
Nobelprize.org's Peace Dove Game

Don't forget Mohammed's great strategy for preventing nukes from falling into terrorist hands: "We have to cross our fingers that nothing will happen".

Alfred Nobel will be turning in his grave because what was intended to be a serious award for good works has been hijacked for cheap political point scoring.

It doesn't matter if the IAEA is, or is not, fulfilling it's mission as defined.

By it's very existence the IAEA diverts attention from the actual requirements and in so doing becomes an enabler of what needs to be prevented.

The organization itself is also filled with unreliable, even sympathetic, bureaucrats.

It's like hiring 'counselors' to monitor known criminals on work release which diverts the budget dollars needed to hire beat cops to be on the streets doing investigations and arrests for ongoing crimes.

This is just a further demonstration of the fact that the Nobel Peace Prize has all the credibility of a "Father of the Year" award from NAMBLA.

Full disclosure: even though I wish I could, I didn't come up w/ that line...another commenter did, back when Jimmuh "if they'd reelected me in '80, I coulda come up with a 'final solution' to that pesky Jewish problem fo' mah good friend Yasser" Carter got the "Peace" Prize.

I think they deserve this "Piece Prize".