That explains the days he defended the story on air.

what?

I belive this like I believe the guy that sold me that bridge. I hear a legacy dwindling away...Dan knows it too.

Do we still care what dan "not the man" thinks?

He clearly is as dumb as they come

That would make Gunga Dan what ... retarded?

Wasn't Dan the one that said something like

"If I could be the first one to break this story..."

Idiot!

The only thing Rather had any regrets about was that he got caught. I suppose he felt a tinge of remorse about that. Nowadays getting caught doing something morally repugnant or overtly criminal earns you a badge of honor, so now I suppose he feels proud instead of ashamed. Dan is ensconsed there in the pantheon of honored bad behavior--with Michael Jackson, Marion Berry, Michael Milkin, Robert Downey Jr., Bill Clinton, Sandy Burglar and Henry Cisneros. Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it?

Dan looked stupid enough right after the broadcast when he was defending it. Now if he thinks that by admitting that he thought the story smelled, before the broadcast is going to get him any understanding, he is showing what a mental midget he really is, was and everwill be.

What about the "unimpeachable source" he claimed?

#1 Beagle

Revisionism requires people forget the little details like this.

Is Dan delusional or dishonest?

That is the question.

Y'know, Ol Dan not the man probably was using an episode from his personal life as incentive to push the National Guard story...He himself claimed to be a U.S. Marine despite FLUNKING out of bootcamp... This isn't the first smear ol' Rather biased has engaged in... Check out "Stolen Valor" I think a whole lotta Vietnam vets ought to do a class action defamation law suit against the yellow journalist...

but good does come of of it

Yahoo puts news, blogs side by side

Yahoo Inc. said on Monday it will begin featuring the work of self-published Web bloggers side by side with the work of professional journalists, leveling distinctions between the two.

The move will further stoke the debate between media traditionalists who want to maintain strict walls between news and commentary and those who argue such boundaries are elitist and undervalue the work of "citizen journalists."

Very cool indeed, but I still hate YAHOO for turning that journalist over to the Chinese authorities resulting in a prison term.

As Dan himself said,

"If you try to read the tea leaves before the cup is done you can get yourself burned."

WTF? It sounds like the old travel game "Mad Libs" every time he tries his old back porch country witticisms.

I'm actually gonna miss that. Oh well, at least I still have Brent Musberger.

Dan is so so so so the day before yesterday

#5 Aladin Sane

Wasn't Dan the one that said something like

"If I could be the first one to break this story..."

When asked a few days after the story aired if he would ever concede that the National Guard memos he showed on the Sept. 8 broadcast of 60 Minutes were forgeries, Rather said: "If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story."

Revisionist history in the making, a mere one year out.

Hey Mapes, shit rolls down hill! You just got a facefull!

This is Clintonesque.

It used to be infuriating, but now it's just risible, how while speaking publicly, the Clintons and Gore would revise history to put themselves on the right and true side, in order to make themselves look wise and prescient. The slightest fact-checking would often contradict their position.

Now Rather's doing the same thing. "Oh, I suspected their veracity all along." BULLSHIT.

#10

Exactly - either he was so eager to run the story he didn't check facts, or he knew the source was questionable and pressed on anyway. Ignorant/Lazy or Partisan/Dishonest

Either one discredits one from claiming to report "the truth".

#10 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades 10/11/2005 10:41AM PDT
Is Dan delusional or dishonest?

That is the question.

Both, methinks.

In New York Mag.

Will the times do "aggressive follow - up" ?

We'll see.

But in the meantime, eventually the Truth comes out.

It's awfully hard to keep the lid on this stuff when all the participants aren't willing to be in on the "lie".

Rather was overseas and unavailable to comment.

In Bangkok, on a sex tour?

/like that guy in john mellencamp's band

Next he will say something else too.

#12, AtlasShrugged

Very cool indeed, but I still hate YAHOO for turning that journalist over to the Chinese authorities resulting in a prison term.

Not only that, but hiring the execrable Kevin Sites as a war correspondent.

#10 Ed...

Is Dan delusional or dishonest?

Yes.

Rather's revisionist rantings reveal risible reactionary roaring on his part.

What a joke.

What a maroon...

He is truly delusional.

#7 TimK

he is showing what a mental midget he really is, was and everwill be.

Exactement! He is one of many MSM reasons why I don't watch the news anymore.

Besides, I keep ruining perfectly nice shoes and books by throwing them at the screen.

Scares mah dog, too.

;P

Dan Rather is our Comical Ali.

You need a scorecard to keep all these different lies from running into each other.

#10 scorched earth 138

I love that picture of Dan in Stolen Valor. His head looks like a match head. Jug Burkett's captions of his own Vietnam photos are good, too. Lots of self-deprecating humor.

#11, not #10

scorched earth 138, that is.

#10 Ed Mahmoud

To a practiced liar, dillusional and dishonest can't be separated.

It is always difficult to keep track of one lie let alone an entire web of them. For the instictive liar, the one who's subconscious springs into action to make it up as he goes along, like Rather, the lie becomes the real world and he lives in his own dillusional universe.

Facts be damned.

"I always tell the truth, ... so that I don't have to remember what I told people" -- Abraham Lincoln

I think Dan has spent too much time deciding what the facts were. Must get confusing after a while...

Yeah, "I knew that something didn't smell right...", that's why I had to be the one to break this story and then defend it by citing an 'un-nameable' "unimpeachable source".

Do us all a favor and stop talking.
Just STFU, and then go away.

Thanks

#28 navyspyII

Dan Rather is our Comical Ali.

Gaghdad Bob is coming in on the noon train tomorrow. I'm gittin' out of har!

this is just as fake as Dan's "Retirement"

he still works for CBS... just isn't the FACE on the TV...

his 'punishment' is that he now does not have to do as much 'work' . . . but his pay is, I'm assuming, still the same, since it is contractual.

so, for knowingly reporting a false story, in an attempt to sway an election, his punishment is less work for the same money.

and now he 'doubted' the validity of the story, but still report it, and defended it.

I wish I could screw up like that and have the same results.

Rather confessed to Howard that he’d had doubts about the veracity of the memos all along.

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

a. If you thought they were real, as you have insisted all along up til now, then you were a buffoon and a fool.

b. If, as you now claim, you had doubts about them (i.e. knew they were fake), BUT YOU WENT ON-AIR WITH THEM ANYWAY, then you are a crook and a political activist disguised as a washed-up journalist.

It's actually becoming quite amusing watching the CBS folks hopping around, performing logical gymnastics to somehow simulataneously justify, excuse, and glorify themselves in the face of their villainy and/or idiocy. The keep hopping back and forth, trying to find a comfortable position, like chickens on an electrified floor at a carnival midway.

Just a perfect example of how the elites work...

They become so convinced of their own "importance" and "power"

they surround themselves with only those who think like they do and like them...

They cannot handle honest debate- they are only comfortable in a place where they control the images and the discussion...

Anything and everything else is pure sabotage by imbecils...

They really believe this crapt they sell themselves.. then- they do what Dan did.

Ya twist, ya turn, ya do whatever it takes to propogate YOUR idea- YOUR "reality" and then act all indignant when everyone won't be spoon-fed...

The fool really thinks he is a victim... he is... he is a victim of TRUTH... a victim of losing his un-challenged format...

He is so un-accustomed to truth and challenge- he has no idea how to deal with it- and just further makes a baffooon of hisself...

If he wasn't such an ass, it would be sad instead of funny...

Dan Rather is a big fat fucking liar.

Friday September 10, 2004:

DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no -- what you're saying apology?

QUESTION: Apology or any kind of retraction or...

RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.

ooops..

forgot the

/rant off

tag...

36 LanceKates

I wish I could screw up like that and have the same results

With an ego like Dan's, I think he'd forgo the salary just to get a chance to regularly get his mug on TV and tell us what the facts are...

So those mean, hateful, uneducated, partisan bloggers who did their unscientific comparison to show that these documents were fake, were they trying to destroy Dan Rather, or were they proving his theory (that they were fakes) true? You can't have it both ways, Danno. Either you believe them to be "fake but accurate" and the bloggers are lying, or you believe the documents to be wholly fake and the bloggers (whom you slimed and threw mud at) proved your fears to be correct.

hm. The only credible source for this that I can see is Howard himself. Howard outted Danny Boy?

Ouch.

The real question is - why is left-wing hypocrisy and left-wing idiocy and left-wing criminality treated like no big deal within the DNC/MSM bubble?

Stupid question.

Any person who is considered “right of center” IS treated like a criminal. Anyone on the left who actually IS a criminal – either gets ignored, applauded, or a golden statue and a pat on the back.

sick.

And Mary Mapes wroye a book defending the forgeries, whining about the pajamahedeen who exposed her and Bla^ther's lies and even had the temerity to tell us how she folded up and bawled like the infantile solisist she is.
Folks, witness the implosion of Leftardation.
I got some popcorn, anybody want some?

#37 zombie

like chickens on an electrified floor at a carnival midway.

By the power of Christ I compel you to leave zombie, Dan.

Zombie

Getting pictures of the Fleet leaving under the Golden Gate Today ?

(Departure after "fleet week")

Get any good pics of the Blue Angels ?

Rather called 60 Minutes Wednesday executive producer Josh Howard from the anchor desk to find out why he wasn’t running promos for the story.

This is complete bullshit. I distinctly recall that story getting heavy promos. And not only that, the next day a number of major newspapers and concurrent hitpieces.

Do these fucking retards think once time passes, nobody can go back and check on it?

wroye=wrote
solisist=solipsist

why do I even try ...

#41 Aladin

well, I'll call cbs.. they'll put him back on the air, and I'll take his salary.

just for one year.

Who is that mysterious figure? It is justice you sons of bitches...

THE MEETING IN HELL

DEVIL:- Hi Dan. Welcome. I want you to meet someone.

DAN: Sure.

DEVIL: Dan, this is Benedict Arnold. He betrayed his country too Dan.

ARNOLD: Hi Dan! Welcome. I saved a seat by the fire for you.

DAN: Ahhh... Gee, thanks...

Dan Rather is the quintessential left-wing media-o-crat who is essentially above the law, above the truth and who will never be question seriously by anyone.
Will Kaite Couric do it?
Will Chris Matthews do it?
No way.
Left wing hacks protect their own.

Rather is a partisan agenda driven hack, and the DNC blew it with Rather on board.

lies lies lies.

Hey?

When do we start the pool?

The pool to see how long it takes for Dan to take his next job with Al Jiz.

You know, if one just always tells the truth, they don't have to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to keep the lie together.

So, is Danny gonna get another award for this?

Welcome to the party Dan. None of us believed that crap either.

I accept Rather's doubts as sincere, but phony.

Ummm, toast!

Rather was overseas and unavailable to comment.

You bet.

The Kinko's in Lima, Peru is much harder to trace and doesn't have video cameras.

This is Dan's equivelant of, "I voted for the 80 Billion before I voted against it".

In Dan's world it's, "I believed the story before I doubted it." Or is it, "I doubted the story before I believed it"?

I don't know and like Dan Rather, it doesn't matter.

So, having the choice of being seen as stupid or a liar, he preferred to be a liar.

#48 Havoc
Zombie

Getting pictures of the Fleet leaving under the Golden Gate Today ?

No -- it's too hazy.

Get any good pics of the Blue Angels ?

Funny you should ask -- I was just reviewing my pics of the Blue Angels a couple minutes ago! I did take some pictures, but in situations like that, to get really great photos, you need some high-end photo equipment -- foot-long zoom lens, full-frame exposure area, etc. All I had was my tiny little point-and-shoot. Nonetheless, I think i did get a few nice shots, and I'll try to put them online soon. Just for kicks. I went down there, hoping to encounter a vaguely-planned anti-Blue Angels protest, but it never materialized. So I enjoyed the show anyway.

#11 scorched earth

Yesterday someone noted on a thread at LGF that decorated Vietnam Vets including several of John McCain's former POW buddies ARE suing Kerryites & others for lying & keeping from the airwaves "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" (www.stolenhonor.com) (A group called the Vietnam Veteran Legacy Foundation)

You may recall Democrats mounted a scurrilous full court press to denounce Sinclair Broadcasting which planned to broadcast the documentary--and Dems gloated when the program wasn't broadcast as planned, but cut up with plenty of pro-Kerryite propaganda.

What kind of psychopath is Dan Rather and why does CBS think that it can benefit from continued association,in any form, with him?

65 gymnast

What kind of psychopath is Dan Rather and why does CBS think that it can benefit from continued association,in any form, with him?

It's sad to say, but apparently a psychopath that some folks still believe...

Dan Rather is a jerk. That's all there is to it.

Sandy Genelius was one of the most vocal defenders of Rather and the TANG memos right after Rather and Mapes were being called to account for the memos. Since Mapes was no longer able to defend herself, CBS had Genelius on point.

68 foreign devil

Sandy Genelius

Sounds like something you get when you don't wear your shorts on the beach...

Dan is forcefully defending the story again now that Kalb and his fellow travellers have seen fit to give him an award for his "courage" in presenting a false story meant to bring down a President.

Rather is either a delusional idiot or a liar. Your choice.

Wow. If Dan Blather and 60 LiesPerMinute were an actual investigative journalism outfit, Danno could have broken the story that these mythical memos "proving" George W Bush did not serve his tour of duty did not exist, and any memos circulating in the underground were patently false. Should have done some actual investigating as part of your investigation Danno.

Sounds like Dan has hired Bill Clinton as a consultant.

oh my gosh, he is so full of sh*t.

Oh, Danny boy, your pipes, your pipes have fallen, now STFU!

Well, as they say on Law and Order: "Are you lying now, or were you lying then?"

Of course, with Dan, the answer is: yes.

Dan Rather, Either an Idiot or a Liar.

This just in:

Water... its wet.

Dan's backpedaling is only his effort to reverse his exit from society's eye. Problem is, he's on a 10-speed, and pedaling backwards only jams up the chain.

I think it's finally clear that Dan's jumped the shark. This article only reinforces that for me.

My real "my gosh, nobody believes him" moment came watching "The Soup" last week (guilty pleasure, I know) - they made a comment to the effect of who writes this crap (in The Star?) - the answer? Dan Rather.

Legacy complete, now if you would just let us know the frequency...

Strong storm with heavy rain in San Patricio County!

"Rather was overseas and unavailable for comment"

Just stay the hell out of the United States, and we will all feel better.

Sorry dan, you can't revise history the way your predecessors could. They didn't have LGF to fact check their a**.
Maybe now you can fetch bob schieffer's coffee. Cream, 2 sugars.
Hehe.

Remember, Dan's daugher is a big wig with the Travis County Demonratic Party. Dan has done fundraiser dinners for the TCDP while still the primetime anchor at CBS, and Ronnie Earle is part of that group.

Draw your own conclusions.

This is NOTHING!

The only real satisfaction come when KOS admits he never really believed it!

Bringing Rather down, was nothing. He was 120 years old, and bound to retire anyway.

Force KOS to retire, get him to admit defeat, then you have something!

/coach pep talk.

#39 Geepers

I figured that would've gone down the Memory Hole by now...

#71, bruiser. You put Rather in exactly the correct context. He was a perfect example of the newest form of "journalism"- investgative deception.

I have posted a link to this before but, for those who didn't know, CBS News now has a blog.

...In interviews about Public Eye, Heyward, Kramer and Ververs have been repeatedly asked if the blog was a response to the National Guard memo disaster at "60 Minutes: Wednesday" and the Thornburgh-Bocardi report on it that came out in January 2005. The short and honest answer is no. Perhaps the answer ought to be yes, but it isn't. Public Eye was hatched from a different egg. ...

Public Eye
Their blogroll lists LGF [among others] and comments are allowed.

Oh, behave!

The days of wine and roses are over for the MSM, rather, CBS and major newspapers are slowly, inevitably coming to realize their irrelavance

# 12 A S

"media traditionalists who want to maintain strict walls between news and commentary"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hey, "traditionalists" -- check out any headline involving Israel -- then try to make that statement with a straight face ...

Enjoy the ride to obscurity via the path of absurdity Dan.

What he is really trying to say is:

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids (bloggers in pajamas)!"

Thats it, folks! Danny boy has gone senile!

Isn't this horse already dead?

#48 HAVOC
#63 ZOMBIE

Blue angels show was fantastic, went both days and nary a moonbat, code pinko or raging grannie in sight, just lots of regular folks representing the entire spectrum of this nation, not the .02 percent who are making noise far in excess of their actual number

IF YOU JUST WISH HARD ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH, THE MEMOS BECOME REAL.

#99 tfk
The "news"paper here never has reported the guy who was picked up for killing a prostitute downtown, although he worked for said "news"paper...

Dan Rather in '08!

Yes, but in Rather's defense, you can't believe anything he says, anyhow. Thus, he may not really have suspected anything, even if he admitted that he did.

Yup, Ol' Dan's spreadin' it around thicker than widder's jam on dead varmint. He's about half-way down that long slippery slope downhill. He deserves it. And all of those 'downhome-isms' that he and the likes of molly ivens spout are just insulting and patronizing to Texans. I've never met anybody who talks like that ( I was being sarcastic above).

You guys are too hard on poor ol Dan. He's just saying whatever he needs to, to try to win the next Nobel Peace Prize.

And I think he fits right in with the list of past winners.

#86 Ed mahmoud

Ed, what's this about Delay's persecutor, Texas/Travis County prosecutor Ronnie Earle's son now running for some office? Dan Rather's daughter must know Mr. Earle's son if she's a Dem big wig fundraiser in the same county.

The Dem plot just thickens and makes you gag.

OT: Bizarre Muslim "suicide":


By: North County Times wire services

SAN DIEGO - A man who fatally shot himself in his University City condominium during a standoff with San Diego police was identified Saturday as a 29-year-old student.

An autopsy is scheduled tomorrow on the body of Khaled Yasufi, medical examiner Investigator Sal Rodriguez said.

Police were sent to the 8700 block of Costa Verde Boulevard after someone reported a strong odor coming from a condo about 1 p.m. Friday, SDPD Sgt. Jim Schorr said.

A man in the condo told officers everything was fine and shut the door, Schorr said. Within a couple of minutes, a gunshot was heard, prompting police to clear the building, Schorr said.

Police eventually sent in a camera-equipped robot, which transmitted images of a body in the unit. When officers made entry after a standoff of about six hours, a chemical lab was found in the bathroom of the condo, police said.

Rodriguez said he did not know where Yasufi went to school.

[Link: www.nctimes.com...]

#105 portolan

Don't burst my baloon, when Ross Perot used those ol' country Texanisms it was fantastic.

ED

Remember, Dan's daugher is a big wig with the Travis County Demonratic Party. Dan has done fundraiser dinners for the TCDP while still the primetime anchor at CBS, and Ronnie Earle is part of that group.

i remember several cbs reporkers stated that they didnt know much about his Political party, and that Dan probably voted for pres. Bush.
any bets?

#97 xanadu1015

What he is really trying to say is:

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids (bloggers in pajamas)!"

You forgot:

"And get the hell off my lawn!"

CBS News president Andrew Heyward Jablome ...

#69 Aladin Sane:

[snigger!] You fool! ,>

FYI National Geographic Channel is showing "7/7", a treatment of the London bombings, not unlike "Inside 9/11" which they showed earlier. Saturday at 9 is the scheduled showing in Canada but it might be different in the US.

second thought,
maybe dan was a communists and didnt vote.

Gunga Dan does Demonrat fundraiser.

#100 DIAMONDMASC
Blue angels show was fantastic, went both days and nary a moonbat, code pinko or raging grannie in sight, just lots of regular folks representing the entire spectrum of this nation, not the .02 percent who are making noise far in excess of their actual number

Indybay had an "event listing" on their calendar, saying there ought to be a protest at Fisherman's Wharf during the Blue Angels show. But it was more of a whine than an actual event listing. It called for people to show up and protest freelance -- sort of a "flash mob"-type protest.

But, try as I might, I could find no evidence of it. Instead, countless thousands of people enjoying the show guilt-free and politics-free.

It made me "pity the fool" who dares to go up against US military might. These weren't even the top-of-the-line fighter jets, and they weren't even armed, but DAMN. Talk about "shock and awe."

108 OT: It must be Karl Rove's fault.

Back on-topic: It must be Karl Rove's fault.

This blogger thinks Robin Rather, Dan's daughter, may be at heart of fake TANG memo scandal.

What is the frequency Dan?
What is the frequency?

Frequency of what?
Telling the truth Dan.
telling the truth.

Delay's Prosecutor Pals with Dan Rather's Daughter and Ben Barnes

You know, you have to give Dan hign marks on one thing. There's not much more you could do to make yourself into a clown and a public joke than what Dan has done to himself. He's a first rate weasel.

Oh and Mapes, if you did not realize it, this is the part where Rather just threw you under the buss.

#69 Aladin Sane

Sandy Genelius

Sounds like something you get when you don't wear your shorts on the beach...

Ok, you owe me a keyboard for causing yet another "BNI"
(Blown Nostril Incident)

" Oh danny boy the docs, the docs they are a calling"

Dan's just trying to have his sKerry moment

He believed the documents before he doubted them... before he believed them.

He challenged them before he defended them?

#121 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Thanks for the link, Ed... not that any of it is a surprise.

Ronnie Earle is going to try to prevent any court hearing (where the case will be thrown out) until after the 2006 election cycle begins and Delay is effectively hamstrung by this "indictment" hanging over his head. No matter how blatant his partisanship, no consequenses will be forthcoming.

He imagined them before he forged them?

Boy, Dan's version of this appears to be a looonng way from Mary Mapes highly dramatic play by play published last week.

To quote "All About Eve": "Wow...what a story...all that's missin' is the dogs nippin' at her heels."

Typical liberal double speak. Trying to get a liberal to commit to ANYTHING, even their own thoughts, is like trying to nail a piece of jello to the wall. They think that makes them "complex". It makes them f*cking idiots.

Let him drivel. Soon to drool. He's senile and the King of Moonbats.

Robin Rather. Lucy Ramirez?

#131 HBob

Try asking them questions when they say something totally absurd.

They become upset and angry.

#133 rightymouse

Robin Rather. Lucy Ramirez?

That thought has crossed a few minds...

it's now been over a year since the phony TANG story broke.

Rather, Mapes et al. -- supposedly the best investigative journalists on the planet -- have had an entire YEAR to dig up one shred of evidence that the memos are real.

Their entire professional careers and reputations depend on finding this bit of evidence. And after a year, what have they produced to back up their claims?

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Which can only lead to one conclusion: there is no evidence to be found. Otherwise, they would have found it.

What I'm surprised at is that, during this year, the CBS crew didn't do what they should have done in the first place:

Go to a thrift store, and for $6 buy an old typewriter from the early '70s, dig out a yellowed piece of typing paper wedged in the back of a file cabinet somewhere, and re-forge the memos properly this time. There would have been no way to detect the forgery if they had done it right. Rather and Mapes can retroactively salvage their reputations now by producing this authentic-seeming memo, waving it around and saying, "See? We found the original!"

But no, they haven't even done that. Which goes to show how completely defeated they are.

#135 Spiny Norman

The fact that MSM did so little to follow through on investigating Burkett's claims about how he got the document is, by itself, interesting.

Nothing has stopped them before from going after any piece of dirt they think would hurt Bush.

Spiny Norman,

Caught Monty Python with another LGFer on late night Saturday and saw your name sake terrorizing London Town. Keep up the good work.

#12

Yahoo Inc. said on Monday it will begin featuring the work of self-published Web bloggers side by side with the work of professional journalists, leveling distinctions between the two.

= more exposure for DailyKos and Democratic Underground.

Don't expect to see LGF or Instapundit or PowerlineBlog up there much.

It will be idiotarian kook central. There will be some slanted Bush article side-by-side with some raving DU quote and they will say 'hey, even our lefty journalists are not as crazy as this blog journalist, but we must understand his rage' followed by 46 links to DU and Kos.

zombie (#136),

It's too late for any of that. Bill Burkett claims he burned the originals in the Kinko's parking lot.

But just think were we'd be today if these "geniuses" had done something that simple at the time?

Can't

Stop

Laughing

This is comical on sooo many different levels

...they hadn’t even contacted the White House for comment—Rather threatened to take the story to the Times that night.

A serious hit-piece Dan was in on. They'd been working on the work of fiction for two years(!) yet the story couldn't wait two days to see if it was true. CBS had been loyal to Dan for decades, yet he immediately threatens to scoop his own organization to a competitor. Why? I imagine because Dan new further scrutiny would only expose the lie to his own co-workers, so he knew he had to twist arms to get it out before more thorough checking could be done. Which would also explain to me the unprecedented step of Dan setting up a set to tape himself and a document handwriting expert verifying the memo signature. This wasn't for the audience, it was for CBS to get them to feel more comfortable running the story.

I do love the idea of the NYT running the story (hey Dan, why did you think they would?) though. Would be devastating for them to have run the story, have serious egg on their faces, then have to tell the public it was a CBS fabrication that came straight from Rather himself!

And now after all his work to run the pre-election lie and defend it, he wants to be able to claim he was doubtful. The man's a f'ing freak. In other words, a typical liberal.

Dan Rather... who cares?

49

good point.

#143 Model4

Also, when the document had been exposed as a fake by Charles et al, Gunga Dan went on national TV saying that if that was true then he wanted to break the story.

I about peed in my pants laughing.

Really, I just don't think the man is very bright.

#37 zombie:

like chickens on an electrified floor at a carnival midway.

Strange carnival.

I saw Rather on the Letterman show shortly after the flare-up came from this "story". Letterman was a tiny bit confrontational in his questioning, but kept giving Rather plenty of "outs" after asking what seemed at first blush to be a hard question.

I dread seeing Letterman toss softball questions to Howard Dean later this week. I love Letterman's humor, but his pathetic leftist leanings show up far too often on his show these days.

11-Scorched-boy would I like to see that--
have the vets file 200 (or whatever number)
claims in small claims court.
--for the max allowed, in Calif it is $5K.
and watch that POS squirm. It worked in a town in CA where this cracked-head college prof was living in squalor in an upscale neighborhood and the city couldn't find a way to do anything about it. (Of course, if you had disconnected your plumbing and had pans of urine and feces all over the yard and inside and worse, you'd be cited.)
But they got the result and she moved.
It would be great to get some kind of justice that way against this lying b*stard.
He was defending this story not two months ago on the radio--"now wait a minute, not all the parts have been full heard on this memo...he said then.

I'd like to interview Dan:

"Well Mr. Rather, from the looks of things, you're either a mendacious liar or an incompetent doofus. Which is it?"

#148 Crusader

Who is Howard Dean?

/LOL!

No bias here, move along.

Check out the amazing introduction to:

The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy

by Stephanie Gutmann

[Link: www.encounterbooks.com...]

Dan is one of those men who can well up with crocodile tears at the drop of a hat. Never trusted any of those and never will. Some, like William Jefferson Clinton, do it in a coldly calculated way - very disturbing. Some, like Dan, (IMHO) do it "naturally" but still very disturbing.

#146 rightymouse: Actually I think it goes back to the "fake but accurate" thing (forget the specifics of how that came about). Whacked out libs like Dan hear a malicious rumor that Chimpy McHitlerburton was AWOL, so automatically this becomes The Truth. All that's left to do is come up with some things that support bits of the story so it can be presented as "news." (Try to use deceased sources when possible). Now even if the memo was fake (and it was) and even if the source wasn't "unimpeachable" (he wasn't), that doesn't change the underlying "fact" that the story is "true." The rumor remains true until proven otherwise, which exposing any piece of fraudulent evidence can't do.

#155 Model4

Their "fake but accurate" claim is ridiculous.

They must take people for fools.

#139 Geepers

Dinsdale?

(I love the "pantomime interview" with the schoolmaster!)

Re: My #92 ^^^above^^^
CBS's Public Eye is getting an earfull.
Cry Wolf Criticism

To wit:

I am in a key demographic- 30's, professional high income male, and I, like many of my peers, have completely stopped watching broadcast news for two reasons. First, what I perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be an extreme left wing bias, and second, the 'dumbing down' of the news.

Dealing with the bias issue, there are two key issues...the selection of stories, and the way the stories are presented. Has CBS examined the Air America Scandal? How about the Islamic Suicide bomber going off outside a packed football stadium in Oklahoma? What about the recent bombs in LA and Atlanta? Have any of these made more than local news? These are examples of story selection. And I don't have to go back more than a week to find them.

**(For more on former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes who appeared on the CBS 9/8/04 show claiming he pulled strings to get George Bush into the TxANG - after having previously denied it according to Barnes' own daughter, see comment #10 by "Kathleen" on September 12, 2004 12:09 PM. One of her links is to a video clip of Ben Barnes claiming he pulled strings for Bush WHILE he, Barnes, was Lt. Governor. But Barnes didn't take office as Lt. Gov. until 8 months AFTER Bush was already in the TxANG. After this time-warp flaw was noticed by conservatives, the pro-DNC site acknowledged: "This was wrong, but he corrected the statement in his 60 Minutes interview. He wasn't Lieutenant Governor at the time, but he was running for the office of Lieutenant Governor…." Watch the video, in this case his own words speak louder than action.)

you forgot all about this bushater.
he was able to get pres. bush into the texas air natl guard and cried about the other boys that got killed in vietnam.

/dipshit.

Where is the fricken "pie guy"
Gad if anyone deserved a pie in the face, it would be
Dan "faster-than-an-armadillo-with-a-cracked-shell-in -the-east-Texas-sun" Rather...

#138 rightymouse

The fact that MSM did so little to follow through on investigating Burkett's claims about how he got the document is, by itself, interesting.

The story was heading in a direction they definitely did not want to go. So what does the Legacy Media do? Circle the wagons, of course.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

I watched the live Fox News discussion last September as Jonathan Klein from CBS uttered his famous quote.

"You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of check and balances [at '60 Minutes'] and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing."

I'd say that was just about the point that CBS first acknowledged they were in deep sh*t with Rathergate. They stopped ignoring the bloggers are started insulting them.

#37 zombie 10/11/2005 10:58AM PDT

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

a. If you thought they were real, as you have insisted all along up til now, then you were a buffoon and a fool.

b. If, as you now claim, you had doubts about them (i.e. knew they were fake), BUT YOU WENT ON-AIR WITH THEM ANYWAY, then you are a crook and a political activist disguised as a washed-up journalist.

Wrong again, Zombie, CBS and Dan have studying quantum mechanics, and have learned to employ the principle of superposition.

...qubits posses the uniquely quantum mechanical property known as superposition. That is, a qubit can be simultaneously both the one and zero states . This allows the quantum computer to perform several feats that a classical computer cannot.

Spiny Norman,

It was one of the cartoon segues, a London city skyline and a giant hedgehog rears up in the background, and I was all like: "Hey check it out, it's Spiney Norman!" Then we started talking about you.

"You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of check and balances [at '60 Minutes'] and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing."

i remember that statement and the first thing crossed my mind was they are really getting sucked under by all this fact checking going on, esp. the memos.
Sooo if you cant defend the memos, attack the mindless bloggers. they are not college educated journalist and they have no right to break into our club. well, look at the freaking club now, it has been breeched and i can sit in Dans chair if and when i want to.
even cbs has started a blog site if anybody wants to go over there and give them ammuntion for their shows.

/i remember when it was dans chair.

schizophrenic, but inaccurate

#167 taxfreekiller

Wow, the MSM brain-trust has achieved Grand Unification where Einstein could not. Amazing.

I'd like to put in a good word for someone in media who's completely different:

Mark Hyman, who hosts "The Point with Mark Hyman" a commentary program on Sinclair Broadcasting TV stations. He's a military vet, former Warsaw Pact countries disarmament treaty weapons inspector and consummate professional--as far as I can tell. Check it out @ [Link: www.newscentral.tv...]

Mr. Hyman took a principled stand last year when his station tried to broadcast "Stolen Honor" the Pro-truth and therefore (according to LLLs in MSM such as Dan Rather) anti-Kerry documentary.

Sinclair and I imagine Mr. Hyman took a beating for countering CBS's fake product.

#168 Geepers

LOL!

::blush::

171 Globular Cluster

The MSM and the DNC demonstrate Quantum Entanglement every day.

taxfree

you are on a roll tonight.

but watch out for the cops they might bang your head into a wall and swear that you were drinking and all you did was go get something to smoke.

or something like that...
lol

Ah, what was the Rather quote? Something like "I think a man can tell lies and still be an honest man." Of course this was said in defense of Bubba well after the truth came out. In the liberal religion, a lie is no longer a lie when used on behalf of the leftist cause. Quite illuminating regarding how he can pass on lies that he himself doubts as a newsman, and it's still honest, courageous, professional journalism... somehow.

These folks don't have a clue, and can only survive when the public doesn't have one either.

Mr. Hyman took a principled stand last year when his station tried to broadcast "Stolen Honor" the Pro-truth and therefore (according to LLLs in MSM such as Dan Rather) anti-Kerry documentary.

boy,
the damn democrats jumped on that stolen honor movie with both feet.
i never did get to see that. they were going to sue somebody if that was shown, and who or whomever made the movie disappeard.

Model4 (#177),

BILL O'REILLY: And I want to ask you flat out. Do you think President Clinton's an honest man?
DAN RATHER: Yes, I think he's an honest man.
O'REILLY: Do you really?
RATHER: I think -- I do. I think he's an honest man.
O'REILLY: Even when he lied to Jim Lehrer's face about the (unintelligible)?
RATHER: Listen, who among us have not lied about something?
O'REILLY: Well, I didn't lie to anybody's face on national television. I don't think you have. Have you?
RATHER: I don't think I ever have. I hope I never have. But look, it's one thing.
O'REILLY: How can you say he's an honest guy, then?
RATHER: Well, because I think he is. I think at core, he's an honest person. I know that you have a different view. I know that you consider it sort of astonishing anybody would say so. But I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.
O'REILLY: Really?
RATHER: Yes, I do.
O'REILLY: See, I can't. I can't -- I want my government to be honest across the board.
RATHER: Well.
O'REILLY: I don't want people lying.

--Dan Rather on the O'Reilly Factor, May 15, 2001.

RATHER: Well, because I think he is. I think at core, he's an honest person. I know that you have a different view. I know that you consider it sort of astonishing anybody would say so. But I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.

roflofng loud.

maybe he could loan me some money if i promise to pay him back.

But I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.

All except GWB, of course. Bush lied, people died, and all that.

Sheesh.

Gotta go sit through mock trial auditions...

OT, kinda:

Average age of newspaper readers: 55

So much for the print MSM. The New Duranty Times just laid off ~750, IIRC. Heh. Buh-bye...

Wait, lemme guess. He had doubts, before he believed in it 100% (like voting for something before voting against it).

Rather confessed ... that he’d had doubts about the veracity of the memos all along.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*Whew*

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

(Does laughing at a senile, lying old fool make me a bad person? :-D)

Next time you hear someone commenting about dumb Texans . . .

Rather was born in Wharton, Texas, son of Daniel Irvin Rather Sr. and his wife, the former Byrl Veda Page. In 1953 he received a bachelor's degree in journalism from Sam Houston State Teachers College. Rather began his career in 1950 as an Associated Press reporter in Huntsville. Later, he was a reporter for United Press International (1950–1952), several Texas radio stations, and the Houston Chronicle (1954–1955). In 1959, he entered television as a reporter for KTRK-TV in Houston. Prior to joining CBS News, Rather was news director for KHOU-TV, the CBS affiliate in Houston.

More about Blathering Dan

#10 Ed: "Is Dan delusional or dishonest?"

Yes.

182 earl
reminds me of ghostbuster movie,
print is dead

unless its on a blog station.
can you believe i used to read three 3 papers a day.
i caused several boys to lose their bicycles when i cancelled all my subscriptions and went over to the internet.

179 Geepers

Rather is a pathetic fool.

I remember when he went to "interview" Saddam Hussein before the war. He was more like a suck-ass toady.

rightymouse (#189),

Don't forget his fawning "interview" with Castro.

thanks for that link

taxfree.
im looking at one of the videos now,
didnt know stolen honor existed.

see what you find on the blog.
be back later.

#190 Geepers

Gack! How could I forget? What a sicko.

How lefties adore dictators! I could puke.

188 ibmkeyboard

While traditional print media is definately on the way out, there is still a market (albeit shrinking) for newspapers and magazines. I wish someone would come out with a weekly "Best of the Blogosphere" in magazine form. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to link around looking for the best stuff.

Ra^ther lied. CBS died.

And all of those 'downhome-isms' that he and the likes of molly ivens spout are just insulting and patronizing to Texans. I've never met anybody who talks like that

When I was 18 my family moved from New York to Amarillo. Part of the culture shock was hearing real live 20th century humans say things like "fine as a frog's hair split 12 ways" with a straight face.

Probably those down-home-isms are going the way of the dinosaur, thanks to cable and the internet, but I can testify that in the late seventies/ early eighties I heard plenty of talk like that in west Texas.

Speaking of historical revisionism, anyone know anyone who is planning working to unweave the new Murrow lieography?

PIMF "planning on or working"

He's dead Jim,

Jack Shafer, of all people, has eviserated it over at Slate, of all places. Linky.

#199 BP

Thanks...it's a start.

A footnote doesn't make something a fact. A fact that that most academics have never considered. And the PhDs are supposed to be smarter than the "journalists". Prove it.

Looky here. This is where you can hire Dan Ra^ther to lie speak to your group.

For more than 40 years, former CBS News Anchor and current 60 Minutes Correspondent Dan Rather has been the embodiment of the intrepid broadcast journalist. From the Kennedy assassination-where he was the first to break the news that the president had been killed-to the Indian Ocean tsunami, he has covered every major story of our time, with distinction and a fierce dedication to hard news.

Rather's reporting skills are legendary, and his single-minded pursuit of the story has taken him to datelines as far ranging as Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Russia, and Cuba. He has served as a correspondent during the Vietnam War, the mujahadeen uprising against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and the first and second Iraq wars. He was among the first western journalists to report on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and the last reporter on the air when the Chinese Army moved in with force. He has interviewed Mikhail Gorbachev in Red Square, and Fidel Castro in Havana.

On the domestic front, Rather has covered every presidential campaign since 1960. He was White House Correspondent for CBS News during the administrations of Presidents Johnson and Nixon, and was a leading force in broadcast news investigation of the Watergate scandal. During the 1960s, as chief of CBS' Southwest Bureau, Rather reported from the flashpoints of the Civil Rights struggle in the South.

Rather has brought his experience to bear on the biggest stories of recent years. On September 11, 2001, Rather stayed on the air for 18 hours straight to bring Americans news of the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. In the days and weeks that followed, he became the first journalist to report from underneath "The Pile" at Ground Zero and his appearance on David Letterman's first post-9/11 broadcast has been credited as a touchstone for American sentiment during those difficult days.

During the American-led fight against the Taliban, Rather returned to Afghanistan several times. The first American network anchor to report from Iraq after the fall of Baghdad, Rather in 2004 broke the shocking story of the Abu Ghraib prison abuses-for which he was recognized in 2005 with prestigious Peabody and Sigma Delta Chi awards. These plaudits are but the latest in a career's work that has earned him several Emmys and just about every honor there is in broadcast journalism.

A native son of Texas, Rather is well-known for his colorful speaking style and the home-spun "Ratherisms" that he has used with greatest exuberance in his election coverage. During the wee hours of the 2000 Election Night marathon, Rather commented that "We don't know whether to wind the watch or howl at the moon," after noting earlier that "[Vice President Al] Gore's got his back to the wall with his shirttails on fire in Florida." Rather is also a prolific author, having written or co-written six books and contributed to many others.

As a speaker, few can match the authority, experience, and perspective Rather offers on world events and the passion he displays in defense of journalism.

Dan Rather - 60 Minutes Correspondent

Gag.

#196, Bad Penny. That rather boy, he thinks he slicker than snot on a doorknob but that boy Charles from LGF went through that Rather boys Story quicker than shit through a goose.

#196-Bad Penny

Those wonderful ol'colloquialism's are still around, in Texas. If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'!

196 Bad Penny

I'm sure you're right. I've never spent a lot of time in Amarillo. I was born (and worked) in El Paso, went to college in Harlingen and now live in Austin, but I've honestly never heard anybody speak that way. It always seemed to me that it was just a way to laugh at the 'stupid' Texans.

#205-Portolan

I grew up in East Texas, and believe me, there were some very colorful euphism's tossed around, but they had a point. Ol'Dan just spewed, without a point. He thought he was slicker than whale-s**t in an iceflow.

I am from San Antonio, transplanted to Maryland. Every now and again, something pops out of my mouth like "that's hot enough to make a biscuit rise" or the ever popular with my children "you are about to have your britches dusted". I concede Texans do have a few colloquialisms, but we they were/are known amongst the locales. Dan's seemed to be isolated to Dan, however.

Oh, and it is normal for us Tejas types to throw Spanish words in the middle of an English sentance and expect everyone to know exactly what we mean. PPS Tejas is an American Indian word, it is not Spanish for Texas. Now you are ready for Jeopardy.

I stand corrected. The best me and my buddies could manage was "motherf**ker", but it's a noun, a verb, and an adjective to us!

ummm..in Texan, the word "we" is sometimes silent when used in a sentence like, for example, in post #207.

/will I get away with that?

When Dan Rather speals he brings truth to the statement "If bullshit was white you could ski in texas"

CBS's blog comments are heating up a bit.

I find it simply amazing that the bigshots in television news just cannot get it! Your viewers are not deaf, dumb, and blind, nor are we all extreme ideologues.

However, many of us are very tired of agenda journalism (which is repeatedly indicated in polls - and we do know how you love to tout polls).

Reporters (such as Alfonsi) are preaching to their choirs. I say good for them - go for it. Just please stop adding on the insults to viewers by denying it when it is pointed out. Give her an opinion show and label it as such, but please don't call her a news reporter.

I make my feelings count in the only way that matters, by changing channels and refusing to watch your news broadcasts.

CBSNews.com has some good commentary, and the blog is interesting. At last ex-viewers can let their voices be heard, so that you truly know why it is that we are ex-viewers.

Posted by centralcal at 6:36 PM : October 11, 2005

Public Eye - Cry Wolf Criticism comments

#210-gymnast

Must be a yankee statement. I've lived in Texas most of my life, and never heard that one. Actually, I never heard most of the nonsense that DannyBoy came up with either.

gymnast
It goes something like this...
If God had meant for Texans to ski, He woulda made Bull $hit white!

Drier than a popcorn fart.
Dumb as a box of rocks.
Its the truth if I ever told it.
Have I lied to you lately?
Harder than Chinese math.
F*cked up like Hogan's goat.
and my favorite,
Tighter than a bull's ass in fly season.

Wow, I've used 'dumb as a box of rocks' recently. As in "mary mapes is..." Rather is throwing her to the dogs. So much for honor among thieves.

It's okay to be a big fat liar (as long as the intentions are good).

The pubs oughta plant phony documents and let more liberals hang themselves.

Dan who?

What do Dan Rather and "mother" Cindy Sheehan have in common? They're both WAY past their 15 minutes.

#214-mich-again

And my all-time favorite:

Tighter'n a bullfrog's ass sitting on a water-lilly.(cause it's waterproof)

Uh,...Yeah...

Fake, but accurate, but I doubted them all along...

Dan, how about a nice hot cup of STFU?

Jackass...

#11 scorched earth 138 - Dan Rather claimed to be a Marine when he actually flunked out of boot camp ( a very hard thng to do if you want to be a Marine badly enough)?

#12 AtlasShrugged - It could be very cool indeed, except that Yahoo decides which bloggers and what said bloggers express and yes I hate them for what they did to that Chinese Journalist and for hiring Kvein Sites.
I trust NOTHING Yahoo does or says; you watch - they'll pick some "reasonable" comments or stories from a journalist and compared it to some weird ass blogger just to belittle bloggers.

How about this Dan Rather blather.

When CBS paired Rather with Connie Chung in 1993, he sought inspiration from Bill CLinton. "If we could be one-hundredth as great as you and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been in the White House, we'd take it right now and walk away winners."

Maybe it was really Dan Rather who wore the "blue dress".

#219 no2liberals

John Nance Garner, a Texan and FDR's vice president during his first two terms, once opined that the vice presidency "wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit."

#80 brent - What does "jumped the shark" mean?

#84 taxfreekiller - If you've read any of my comments out here concerning you and your posts, you know I'm a friend, truly. But even I gotta admit that post #84 or yours is WAY THE FUCK OUT THERE!

#86 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr - Whoa Ed- that's really incredible! I hadn't rmemembered - though I'm pretty sure I never knew it in the first place, but way to go connecting those dots!

What does "jumped the shark" mean?

I know you didn't ask me, but I'll chime in anyway. Jump the shark means that something is past its useful life, or its prime. It's a reference to a happy days episode wherein Fonzi jumped a shark tank on his motorcycle. When a show resorts to stunts like that, you know they're out of ideas.

#108 Abu Maven - great "investigative" posts - with all the "bombings" around college campuses (campii?!) I wonder if this dead delusional dunce was involved some way? A complete chemical lab? In his bathroom?
OH CHARLES - this looks like a pre-dawn raid of a thread - hat tip to Abu Maven.

#121 Ed - you realize of course that you have more than enough material here for a thread, don't you?
I mean, let's all play connect the dots AND follow the money at the same time.
Seriously my friend you're on to something BIG here.

#136 zombie -" Which goes to show how completely defeated they are." So HARSH. So CRITICAL. SO TRUE. So zombie like!

#222 mich-again - Damn, son, you owe me a new keyboard! y'all oughta issue a spew alert with that thing!

#227 BP - Thank you!

Some come for the debate.
I come for the 'taxfreekiller'.

This whole situation is like watching a dog return to his own vomit. Dig in, Danny-boy.

#154 jamgarr

Dan is one of those men who can well up with crocodile tears at the drop of a hat. Never trusted any of those and never will. Some, like William Jefferson Clinton, do it in a coldly calculated way - very disturbing. Some, like Dan, (IMHO) do it "naturally" but still very disturbing.

Dick Vermeil seems like a good guy certainly not a scumbag like Clinton or his fluffer Dannie Rather.