Scheherezade Faramarzi

What an appropriate name.

Yes. Let's let Islam play an even larger role in the French intifada...

Maybe they'll start beheading cars.

Although this article refers to 20-ish rioters, many were referred to as kids previously.

My stupid question is, if most of the rioters were under 18, why are they claiming"unemployment" is an issue?

Parallels may be drawn between the immigrant children of France and Palestinian youth revolting against Israeli occupation.

When the media uses the passive voice you know they are lying.

What no PPV for Paris Nights Day 16?

“They want to give our children the same freedoms they give to the French.”

Not feeling very French are you?

“They want to give our children the same freedoms they give to the French.”

What an odd statement. Their children are French, and the parents chose to come to France, knowing that would be the outcome.

The contradictions are glaring. What did this mother think she was getting?

If she didn't want her children to have French freedoms, why come? Why have children who would be raised French?

“France is a democratic country. It gives rights to women and children,” said Abderrahman Bouhout, director of the Bilal Mosque in Clichy-Sous-Bois. “Now parents cannot do anything — if they hit their 12-year-old, police will come to their door. There’s a hot line the kids can call to report parental abuse.”

Oh, the horror! Women and children having rights! As if "hitting" was the only possible way to interact with your children.

What a sick culture.

"I don't read, I don't write," she said. "I don't know anything.

Damned if that don't sum it all up.

Many parents are not French citizens and never learn to speak French, while their children don’t learn the language of their ancestors.

Oh, bull! The kids never learned any language from age 2-7?

France sounds perfectly horrible. All good Muslims must vacate this Western, egalitarian, hell-hole tout-suite! Leave for Dar al Islam while you are still free! Vite! Vite! The government might even pay to relocate you, poor things.

Parents cannot discipline children? Abuse hotlines? Sounds just like the USA.

Where were the parents?

If you listen to the MSM whining about the unemployment/ discrimination issue, they were obviously not working, so how 'bout it? Why aren't they home teaching their kids Islamic (or any) values...or, say, their native language? Don't suppose the media want to ask those questions.

Have you all been following the way that French TV gave a false subtitle to cover up the anti-Semitic cries of the Muslim rioters?

Sarkozy: dirty jew!

Canal+ edits "Sarkozy, dirty jew!" to "Sarkozy, fascist!"

posted by Joe N. @ 7:11 PM

A¡No Pasaràn! reader wrote in to draw attention to this interesting item on Rantburg, complete with video shown on the satellite/cable channelCanal+:
«a subtitle strategically placed says "Sarkozy, fasciste!", but according to many French forums listeners (including me), the "youths" actually shout "Sarkozy, sale juif", this is clearly audible, Sarko effectively being part-jewish.

I watched that same video, and noticed the same caption, and I too was unable to figure out where they were saying "fasciste!". I couldn't tell what they were saying -- now I know the truth.

#10 Ann

You're right. Kids learn the language (or languages) that surround them. Unless the children grew up mute, they spoke and understood something besides French early.

How many times have you seen some six year old acting as translator for his mom or dad? I've seen it a lot.

Many parents are struggling to make ends meet, leaving them little time for their children.

Wait a minute, I thought all the Muslims were unemployed. Can't have it both ways folks.

According to Fox news just now, a mosque in the South of France was his with two bombs tonight.

I suppose that the disaffected French youth, having run low on unburned cars, daycare centers, houseing, synagogues and schools are turning to the only targets left.

I cannot begin to express how unsympathetic I am to the woman who has lived 25 years in fwance and cannot speak the language. I spent a good deal of my youth in europe. My parents speak only english. My first language was german. By the time I was 10, I spoke german as well as english and spoke enough french and spanish to make my needs known. I confess that now I cannot converse in french or spanish (but can translate written language with time) and struggle with german, but its been more than 25 years since I've used any language other than english.

Sherherezade Faramarzi, a thousand and one Arabian lies.

Mom: If only I could teach my kids islam. Then they wouldn't go out and burn cars and malls. What will they do next, start blowing things up? Killing people? If they learned islam, they would be nice, peaceful, followers of the religion of peace. Then they could start forcing the infidels of France to abide by islamic law. And if they don't, we would have every right to blow them up and behead them.

“France is a democratic country. It gives rights to women and children,”

And dont forget France ilso gives rights to truffle sniffing pigs, bleu cheese, dung beetles, noble rot, baby quails, milk fed veal, halal burgers etc., etc...

The French are almost at Defcon One:

1. Evacuate all critical political leaders to chi-chi cafes.
2. Bus leaders to airport from cafes.
3. Evacuate to Britain and America.
4. Wait for British and Americans to recapture France.
5. Complain about American hegemon and ridicule Anglo-Saxon culture.

[repeat as necessary]

Life is very difficult here," Fatna said in Arabic. She, like her husband, is illiterate and doesn't speak French despite having lived here for more than 25 years.

I'll bet Fatima and her illiterate husband are well versed in the French welfare system and how to game it. You'd have to make a concerted effort to avoid learning the native language after 25 years. Fatima...babe...here's a heads up. Get off your ass and learn the language.

Many parents are not French citizens and never learn to speak French, while their children don’t learn the language of their ancestors.

Bull. There is no way kids do not learn the language their parents speak.

Even children in fulltime daycare spend the majority of waking time with their parents.

“We cannot bring up our kids the way we want, to teach them Islam...”

Want to bag and beat your kid? Can't do it in France? Can do it in the old country? I have a simple solution - go back to the old country!

What the hell ever happened to "when in Rome..."?

Of course, the prey for their children, who combine gang/thuggery with their own personal brand of racism, might not want to go, since the prey is in Europe.

22-HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!

Ahem. PIMF - last sentence, above.

Of course, their children, who combine gang/thuggery with their own personal brand of racism, might not want to go, since the prey is in Europe.

Some parents even blame the recent riots on a French law that prohibits them from hitting their kids, which they say renders them powerless to assert control.

Yessireebob. There is something about French law that completely stops people from breaking it.

/

The parents are victims because French law doesn't allow transfer of the status to their kids.

Okay, I get it now.

#15 Dianna

How many times have you seen some six year old acting as translator for his mom or dad? I've seen it a lot.

I have, too. Many times.

The MSM is doing all it can to make victims of those who violate the laws of a functioning, democratic society - criminals.

#22 Beagle

From the usual email circulars:

As many will be aware, the French government recently announced a raise in its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The normal level is "General Arrogance," and the only two higher levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

"Wait, wait! Do not let ze rioters near ze white flag factory!
Zat is a secure military site!"

“They want to give our children the same freedoms they give to the French.”

Democracy. You know - France, Europe, The West, one person one vote - De Mo Cra Cy. Can you dig it, Fatima?

#28 cracker
Yessireebob. There is something about French law that completely stops people from breaking it.

I think she's saying that French law causes them to break French law.

The French and the Islamonazis deserve each other...Its lake a match made in, um, Paradise !

Yea, thats it !

They want to give our children the same freedoms they give to the French.

Gee, integrate much?

What? Do these immigrant parents actually believe that if their children were devout Muslims they'd be less apt to violence?

#1 cba

It took a search but now I get it: "a skilled woman story-teller." (Arabian Nights)

Lase Faire Parenting...

I talked about the riots with a friend tonight. We also talked about the Amman bombings. My friend said how tragic the bombings were, and said the riots were because they are poor. I said it was funny Arabs protesting terrorism, and said there was more to the riots than he had heard. I mentioned cars are burned on a regular basis, girls are gang-raped & forced to wear veils etc. We ended up talking about something else. It's a shame I can't talk aboput stuff I care about with my friends. It's useless. One guy tonight said something about all of the lies coming out of DC. I just smiled. It's not worth getting into a fight with 40 liberal, gay friends. Occasionally, I'll say something, but I let most things pass. We get along that way, and I don't get upset.

You know what they say, spare the RoP, spoil the child.

I have no patience for people who move to a country and never bother to learn the local language. I moved to Mexico many years ago and within a few months was able to function in Spanish. Children pick up languages like sponges! My daughter (3 years old) spoke nothing but Spanish when we moved back to the USA. Within a week she was chattering away with her little friends in English.

If the Moslems in France are unable to speak French, this tells me that they are isolating themselves. Any surprise that they can't find jobs? If they are "alienated", perhaps, just perhaps, we have just found the reason!

So, let's see...

The MSM has maintained for the last 15 days that all of the rioting is brought on by chronic unemployment and lack of caring, yet now we're being told that many of those involves come from households where the parents are too busy working?

And most kids pick up even a basic understanding of the language they hear most often, which in Arab households would be...Arabic! Yet these kids only know French, simply because they happen to live in France? What, did the state take the kids away and return them back to their parents recently?

And if Fatima is so worried about her kids adopting the French lifestyle and not their "native" one, why the hell did her family move to France? Gee, could it be because the male members of her family might actually be expected to work in her home country?

This article has, instead of answering questions, merely created more. And the answers to the new questions are obvious to those who've been playing the home game.

How the heck do the kids talk to the parents, if the parents only know native tongue, and the kids don't? Something is fishy here.

So it takes less than a village to raise a child.

Marginally on-topic:

Why has Iran decided to play hardball?

The answer is that it wants a clash with the US over the future of the Middle East, and is convinced that it can win.
...
THE NEW Iranian leadership is also encouraged by the current weakness of the European Union. Germany is apparently unable to form a new government while Britain's influence is fading as Premier Tony Blair becomes a political lame duck. As for France, it is facing a Muslim intifada while its top three leaders are tearing each other apart over who should be a presidential candidate in 2007.

While there is no reason to believe there was direct foreign involvement in the French riots thus far, Iran has means, motive, and opportunity to orchestrate more "events" in the name of Muslim rights in its efforts to destabilize the West.

Parallels may be drawn between the immigrant children of France and Palestinian youth revolting against Israeli occupation.

That's right, the "immigrant children" are rioting against the illegal French occupation of France.

28 cracker_jones

The French want the parents to take responsibility, but remove their legal ability to. At first I thought, what's going to stop the parents? Then I read about a hotline for children to call if they are being "abused".

Giving children that hotline is like telling them to call whenever they don't get their way. They'll throw a fit and threaten to call "le hotline". Voila! Parents cave because the State backs the child.

Stupid.

39 Baldy

It's the same way everywhere, Baldy... politics and religion are taboo subjects in public and probably for a reason... at least we have this forum in which to discuss...

#44 B.G.

So it takes less than a village to raise a child.

Didn't you hear?
It takes an Imam.

It's a new phenomenon--Islamless terrorists.

I find it funny that I feel like sticking up for France! I am sick of all the France-bashing. These immigrants are discussed as if they're children, with no one to take care of them. It is maddening.

#14 zombie 11/11/2005 05:38PM PST

Sarkozy: dirty jew!

Superb post. Thank you.

I have posted of it on my blog, citing you as my source.

Sanitizing Muslim Hate on French TV

It is truly bizarre to watch this appalling spectacle while knowing that the French invited these people to France by the millions. Can the French really be that stupid? -- the French, who pride themselves on their sophistication, their worldliness, their savoir faire? Was this truly done in ignorance and innocence, with no thought that this hostile, alien culture would soon be at their throats? I find it hard to believe. I think France's socialist leaders decided to murder-suicide their own country. They are succeeding. Adieu, France.

Those poor "youth" jihadis never seem to be without a trim hairstyle, new trainers, a cellphone, a leather jacket, and a satellite dish on their balcony.

It would seem, they are living the American dream without any of the actual work aspect to muddy the happy situation.

So, just what the f*ck are they complaining about?!?

F*ck 'em if they can't explain their pain, because it sounds like whinin' to me, France needs to find some fillintheblank mine to make the men work in. Burn down their cités, relocate the youth to the mines, and deport who you can. Hard labor - where they will begin to understand suffering and how hard creating anything can be; Fifty Hour workweeks, with no instant messaging; No welfare checks, just work wages; No satellite TV, no X Boxes and khat parties. Their reeducation might be compleat in a few years.

Compulsory military service in a non-critical field might employ some of those sons-of-bitches, too.

Before we get all over the French/Islam parents, how about the good ol' US of A. Pretty sorry examples over here as well.

/the truth hurts

48 Bubble Girl - It's funny we almost agreed on the shooting at the theater (50 Cent movie). It happened across the bridge from me. He implied he would hesitate to go there after that murder in the lobby.

#1 cba

It took a search but now I get it: "a skilled woman story-teller." (Arabian Nights)

:-)

Thanks, Beagle.

I was beginning to wonder if I'd been too subtle (not normally a problem of mine... )

Here's another question I wanna ask the MSM: How is it that these "youths" are getting their riot orders from messageboards, cellphone calls, and emails if they're all supposed to be poor and disadvantaged youths?

OT: How come radicals tend to be "in exile" in Paris? Khomeni, various commies.

 #55

MarcusAurelius  11/11/2005 06:06PM PST

Before we get all over the French/Islam parents, how about the good ol' US of A. Pretty sorry examples over here as well.

/the truth hurts

Oh yes? I don't believe the Mexicans are out burning all the Geo's...

#3 transient 11/11/2005 05:31PM PST

My stupid question is, if most of the rioters were under 18, why are they claiming"unemployment" is an issue?

Look, can you PLEASE try to keep logic OUT of your argument?

/sarc

The 'Peace and Justice' folks might consider sending the 2000 white flags to France where they can be put to some use.

56 Baldy

Yeah? Good on you... I have actually lost a few very long time friends since Bush was elected. I realized we no longer shared the same values.

Parallels may be drawn between the immigrant children of France and Palestinian youth revolting against Israeli occupation.

Then again, parallels may be drawn between the revolting children of Palestine and the occupationless immigrants to France.

#59 Baldy

Because France prides itself as a refuge for all manner of totalitarian scumbags (although they do not refer to them as such).

Baldy at #39

Occasionally, I'll say something, but I let most things pass. We get along that way, and I don't get upset.

And now, Bubble Girl (it took me a while to get here).

I disagree. I think we must talk with our friends about politics, especially when we don't agree. You know, free marketplace of ideas and all. We can't change their minds, or at least open them to new ideas if we don't challenge them from time to time, maybe even make fun of them for latching on to the words of a Jf'ingK or Teddy 'The Hutt' Kennedy. You wouldn't let your friends inspect their .357s by looking down the barrel would you? Yeah, I know they don't own guns. They're liberals. But I used to be a very left leaning MOR, before I opened my mind to new ideas and started looking around for other points of view (LGF, anyone?). Now I'm a more right-leaning MOR. Sure. I didn't move far, but I moved, and I'm very comfortable with my position, since it comes from a position of knowledge, reason and logic.

noam sayin?

60 Bubble Girl

Not only that - Mexican-American activism has been very big on workers' rights. Instead of burning cars - burning for the American dream is more like it. Even when union struggles resulted in violence, it was not nihilistic and it was not gimmie-oriented - it was FOR something, not against someone.

63 Bubble Girl - Usually I'm calm, sometimes disagreeing. Once in a while, I FLIP out. Scares everyone. Then I apologize, cause I want to keep my friends, and don't want politics do get in the way. I'm lucky. You should have seen the looks I got when I wore Bush t-shirts to my gay AA mtg last year! I wore em a couple of times, hoping it would shut them up. It worked for the most part. Some are jerks, and still vent every chance they get to me, I pray & try to get away.

66 Noam

Don't worry, Noam... believe or not I can slice and dice any LLL in public if I chose to do so... and I have.

I pass for an LLL... I drive a Volvo.. have long hair.. wear Levis and no bra... and I am a Latina... so, I should be one... at least superficially...

I have many bows in my quiver... and can strike their arguments down before they know they have been defeated. It is almost amusing.

But I do have some old hippy friends that I give a pass... and sometimes you have to know when to hold em, and when to fold em..

 #67

Cattt  11/11/2005 06:19PM PST

60 Bubble Girl

Not only that - Mexican-American activism has been very big on workers' rights. Instead of burning cars - burning for the American dream is more like it.

Thank you, Cattt.

Muslim mothers do not discipline their sons, the humiliation factor ya know. They just blame the daughters for everything. And if that doesn't work, the infidels.

66 Noam Sayin - I'm FAR-right compared to my friends. I say something occasionally. Usually they don't have a reply. Whatever works for you. I can't let it ruin my support. They're more than friends to me. I use them to stay sober. I can't mess that up.

Parallels may be drawn between the immigrant children of France and Palestinian youth revolting against Israeli occupation.

Well, we do call it the French Intifada!

Actually, Stephen Plaut said something similar at Arutz Sheva the other day:

The suburbs of Paris are now more dangerous than Jenin, and the French are getting their comeuppance for decades of snootiness, for anti-American and anti-Israel agitprop, for decades of cowardice, and especially for the repulsive French love of old Jerry Lewis movies.

Paris is now being targeted by violent rioting hordes. For years, the French accused American racism of having produced the race riots in the US in the 1960s and 1970s, as well as the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King business. And the French are sure that only Jewish cussedness and just plain Israeli evil lie behind the behavior of the Palestinian pogromchiki.

Of course, there's a simple solution:

France has much other stolen territory to return. It took Corsica from Genoa, Nice and Savoy from Piedmont. As the successor state, Italy must get back all these lands. By similar token, territories grabbed from the Hapsburgs go back to Austria, including Franche-Comte, Artois and historic Burgundy. The Roussillon area (along the Pyrenees) must be returned to Spain, its rightful owner. And Normandy, Anjou, Aquitaine and Gascony must be returned to their rightful owners - the British royal family.

Not even this is enough for the sake of peace. Brittany and Languedoc must be granted autonomy at once, recognizing the Breton and Occitan liberation organizations as their legal rulers. This leaves the French government in control over the Ile de France (the area around Paris).

That, however, still does not solve the problem of the Holy City of Paris, sacred to artists, gourmets and adulterers. The Corsicans obviously have a historic claim to the Tomb of the Emperor Napoleon, their famed son, as well as the Invalides complex and beyond.

68 Baldy

LOL!

I've got to get me some of those tee-shirts (upper right corner of this window, worn by pretty girls). That sounds like fun. Talking clothing can work even when you don't want to actually SAY anything.

hey lizards!

Noam Sayin, I nowatcher sayin. I'm in that situation with some friends of mine (academics), some of whom are pretty devoted friends. We pick at each other; it keeps us on our toes; mostly it's impasse.

Friendship sometimes involves shared experience and suffering, though. Those bonds tend to transcend politics.

If my friends were in political positions, I think things between us would be different. I'd be more like Bubble Girl and ditch them. Holding opinions is one thing -- actually implementing them is another.

I have one seriously grey area: a friend of mine donates a lot of money to the DNC. She's also one of my closest friends. What do I do? I work *harder* on her, of course!, and I only let up when she tells me to back off. (Another reason I'm aggressive is that she'll win the "I donate more than you" game.)

#15 & #30
I too have seen many 6 year olds translating for their parents and I have never been to France. I see it just about every day here in Alabama. And it's Spanglish (a language completely different than Spanish) which is spoken by more and more people here.
Our torchers won't be Islamofacists, it will be the people of La Voz de Aztlan (www.aztlan.net). This will be our own little "Is Paris Burning?"

transient - It's ironic really. The Muslim (or the commie) world usually has little room for free thought.

Hi BG! {BG}

You pass for an LLL too? Join the club.

/on the other hand, strangers called me "Pedro", too

Baldy, Bubble Girl, I think we're on the same page. You're right. Sometimes it isn't worth the effort. I don't mean to give the impression that I'm shutting everyone down all the time. There's a time and place for everything. But when someone says something totally stupid, I apply what I've learned from the greats: LGF, Hanson, Hitchens, Dalrymple and others, that's all. I just need the lefties to make more sense, is all.

Good on 'ya, mates.

Baldy

and still vent every chance they get to me,

I don't see this the other way 'round. I happen to live and work in a very red area, but we don't decend on any person we see with a Kerry T-shirt and start telling them everything we think is wrong with their POV. My boss is quite the LLL, but we never tease him at all (and it isn't because he's the boss). HE is the one always bringing up politics at lunch or whereever, trying to stir up a fight. I tend to ignore him because it feels like ganging up since we usually outnumber him 10-1.

Anyway, you just come here to discuss the state of the world, and talk to them about the weather or sports or something.

75 Godfrey

When politics transcends respectful behavior that is when I draw the line. So you need to hold me back before I go after someone who thinks Mexicans will be out burning cars in the near future.

Wassallam, infidels,

Aisha veut apprendre parler Francais! Vous voyez, infidels, les Zionistes ont counstruit leur "mur d'apartheid" et ils ont les soldats menacents qui luttent contre l'intifada Palistinien. Mais en France, on peut crier "Allahu Akhbar", detruire les voitures, casser les fenetres
et personne ne rien fait!

L'intifada Francais est l'intifada du futur! Vive l'intifada! Vive les Musulmans! Allahu Akhbar!

BG

I wasn't thinkin' of Mexicans. Kinda thinking of US white folks who should know better. Nevertheless, a lot burning going on here over the years. South Central LA Watts, DC.,Detroit...

And then there was Columbine

/the truth still hurts

Godfrey,

that's the other thing. If you never have to defend your position, you get weak in your arguments. The only way to get stronger is to have better arguments. And to do that...

Logic, reason, facts.

74 Cattt - People say "everyone loves you." I believe it. They wouldn't give someone else a pass, but they give me one. They are to be commended. Some are basically Marxists. Some are socialists, andti-war, think the Bush trains are coming to take us to the camps anyday. There's a couple of them that will chime in to tell them to change the subject when it's gone too far. I'm pretty lucky.

 #78

godfrey  11/11/2005 06:29PM PST

Hi BG! {BG}

You pass for an LLL too? Join the club.

/on the other hand, strangers called me "Pedro", too

Hello Pedro And strangers ask me if I am from Venezuela... or star in one of those telenovelas on Galavision.

As I read the article, I saw so many things I wanted to fisk, that I finally threw my hands up. The people interviewed are scarily pathetic.

My son didn't do it. He wasn't rioting - he went out to the tea house, innocent lamb that he is. Of course, I barely know what the heck's going on, because I've never been out of the apartment for 27 years, don't speak the language, and can't read. They won't give kids jobs (funny - no one gave me one either - I had to go out and find one). That's my son over there, smoking hash. Wonder where he got the money for drugs, since they won't "give" him a job. My son is bad because my daughter can't wear a bag on her head. My son is not bad, but if he were, I can't beat him.

Geez. (I lumped a bunch of people together for the above poor mother rant).

I love the bewildered tone.

I love the inverse logic.

We can't bring up our kids the way we want and teach them islam. If we could they'd still be rioting, but for more acceptable islamic reasons...

time to start the deportations?

16 days, aren't they tired yet? I'm tired just thinking about it.

Marcus

Sorry, Marcus for jumping to conclusions. And yes, the truth does hurt but then you have to take note that our population almost reaches to 300 million people.

I think a country as small as France should have an easier time keeping things straight.

Aisha

Est-ce que Français une si belle langue, vous est-elle ne pensent pas ?

Comme la musique...

90 pajama momma

"Disco Inferno" has been stuck in my head for a week now. I like the Trammps, but enough is enough. Oh no - "Paris when it sizzles" just popped into my head, darn it.

And then there's that great Queen song -

One two three
Another car bites the dust...

It's true... the LLL are very aggressive with pushing their political agenda... they have no respect for other's boundaries.. some of them remind me of religious fanatics.. any fool knows you run when you see a fanatic coming...

"Now parents cannot do anything — if they hit their 12-year-old, police will come to their door."

Oh, what utter nonsense. In these neighborhoods, the police won't even come to their doors for a major felony. Which is part of the problem.

Burning down the house...

One two three Another car bites the dust

That's my new favorite!

81 BG

So you need to hold me back before I go after someone who thinks Mexicans will be out burning cars in the near future.

With pleasure.

It has became obvious with each passing “crises” that we are getting extremely poor information from the media on almost anything of political importance nowadays. Even stuff unrelated to politics gets sucked in. When everyone knows what happened and the media consistently portrays the story with only liberal bias, you have to be brain damaged to believe it all. Every year there is a steady increase in the amount of news stories published but its like cable TV at 3 in the morning. 200 channels and it’s all garbage….

Gone Daddy gone, your car is gone, gone daddy gone your car has gone away, gone away...ok, a really bad impression of the Violent Femmes.

Off to fix dinner...

see you guys later..

Silhouette - I don't know what it is. I've had Christians come at me (when I was a liberal), but I think they had other issues too. I see all kinds of people and shirts/buttons. I'm outnumbered, though I'm gay & tall. Still, there are neighborhoods I wouldn't wear buttons/shirts in (mostly black). I've had enough trouble with young black guys jumping me cause I'm white & gay, without the political angle too. My neighborhood is very civilized generally. Strangers have come up to me to make comments, though strangely, mostly about whether I really voted for Bush etc (as if if someone put a t-shirt on me when I was sleeping :)

My 'head tune' was from Ohio Players.

OT
Did anyone see the story of 66 year old Susan Gaylord Buxton, in Arlington, TX, who shot an intruder in her home - with her .38 revolver? She shot him in the leg, because she didn't want to kill someone.

22-year-old Christopher Lessner limped off but was caught and faces multiple charges. He was hiding from police, but he picked the wrong house. Actually, he would have had much better luck in Paris, France. (There-it's not off topic.)

#104 Noam Sayin'

My 'head tune' was from Ohio Players.

Me and the Ohio Players gonna tell you about a worm. He's the funkiest worm in the world.

I heard her on Hannity. I was pretty stoked and hope I act the same if something like that ever happened to me...course, I'd like to make 'em dead, not just wounded.

Aren't American Indians the poorest group in the US? This might have changed since the casinos, but probably not. I distinctly remember seeing stats that Indians are the worst off. Don't see many riots of Indians. I think it has to do with rabble-rousers, and people being taught they deserve something for nothing.

Baldy

Sounds like people are barricading themselves into favorite news and information channels. Once that's entrenched, it might be difficult for the situation ever to change. "Permanent conflict" (Dalrymple) of opinion.

That's one of the things that makes me absolutely furious about the degradation of the MSM. I like to think that once upon a time, people on opposite ends of the political spectrum could at least agree on what constituted fair and rational information and opinion.

Now? War of each against all. A state of nature.

The blogosphere may have given the US a way to regain a common forum for discussion, but I'm not holding my breath.

The song best for this? Considering the total lack of coverage by the MSM, perhaps "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised."

We were given two Bush yard signs, so we gave one to our friend down the street who always comes by to talk politics while our kids play.

Two days later, their sign was down. He said his wife was afraid someone would 'do something' to their house.

I thought that was ridiculous, especially given that the neighborhood was almost all Bush signs.

Until a few days later when the Bush headquarters was shot up and then "vandals" painted a body outline in the parking lot. I kept my sign up, but I didn't think she was over reacting anymore.

I am the god of hell fire and I bring you
Fire, I'll take you to burn,
Fire, I'll take you to learn.
I'll see you burn!
You fought hard and you saved and learned
but all of it's going to burn...

[Arthur Brown]

#108 Baldy

It definitely depends on whether they have a casino or not. In San Diego, where I used to live, I went to high school with the Indians who were getting $10,000 a month and this was over 10 years ago.

The Indians in the same area that are not fortunate enough to have a casino, are supposedly taken care of by the ones that do. I can't say what goes on in other areas though.

109 godfrey

True. I know a non-moonbat who is firmly entrenched watching CBS news. If she misses it, she misses the news that day. She really misses Dan Rather - he was a father-figure to her.

I mentioned to her that cable has news caps every half hour, but it's no dice.

/sigh

#106 Who Watches the Watchmen?

:)

Tell me about the worm!

I apologize if this has been mentioned above - I haven't had time to read all of the posts.

Re: Where are the Parents?

The National Post has had extensive coverage of the riots (intifada). This issue was noted and one parent stated that when he tried to discipline his 14 year old son, the son pulled a knife on him.

You know this has gone on far too long when even LGFers have run out of French jokes.

#110 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds 11/11/2005 06:49PM PST
The song best for this? Considering the total lack of coverage by the MSM, perhaps "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised."

Wasn't that a running catch-phrase on Kos a couple weeks' back?

Gunter glieben glauchen globen!

How could we have missed this one?

All right
I got something to say
Yeah, it's better to burn out
Yeah, than fade away
All right
Ow Gonna start a fire
C'mon!

Rise up! gather 'round
Rock this place to the ground
Burn it up let's go for broke
Watch the night go up in smoke
Rock on! Rock on!
Drive me crazier, no serenade
No fire brigade, just-a pyromania

C'mon

Gagdad Bob

You know what they say, spare the RoP, spoil the child.

It's a new phenomenon--Islamless terrorists.

Charles, please consider Gagdad Bob for PJ Media.

In all the time I've been enjoying Gagdad Bob's one-liners here on LGF it never occured to me to click on his nic. Surprise! -- Gagdad Bob has a blog:

"When I heard about the rioting and chaos, my first thought was that I hadn't realized that Hurricane Katrina had made it all the way to France, and that FEMA had some more explaining to do. When I heard that Muslims were burning cars, I was initially sympathetic, since burning a car is sometimes the only way to make sure it won't be driven by a female. But I draw a line at the tossing of mullahtov cocktails. Still, I thought that something good could eventually come of all this, if we could just find a way to cross-pollenate the French and Muslims, and create a hybrid race of Muslims that surrender."

Click!

#118 Noam Sayin'

Was it? Hell, I haven't stepped in Kos (or Kossack sh*t) in weeks. I've tried to avoid that place like the plague since the election, since they decided to crank their insanity to 11. Decided that, if I wanted my daily ration of Left slime, all I had to do is take a stroll over to DU.

#73 David

From your link:

These French politicians may be on to something important. Never one to back down from a challenge, I have prepared a set of proposals for consideration by the French people, so that not only can they preserve peace in Parisian suburbia, but they too can achieve a full, lasting and just peace with their urban resistance opponents.

First, until this plan is implemented in full, we must insist that the French government acknowledge that there is no military or police solution to the problems of violence in its suburbs, and only through recognizing the legitimacy of the demands of the murderers and rioters outside Paris can the problems be resolved.

Second, we all agree that territory must not be annexed by force. Therefore, we can also agree that Germany has a moral right to demand the return of Alsace-Lorraine, for the French aggression in 1945 and its consequent occupation must not be rewarded. ''A full withdrawal for full peace'' should operate here. Further, France must agree to the return and rehabilitation of all ethnic Germans expelled from Alsace-Lorraine after World Wars I and II, as well as all those they define as their descendents.

Well, France, howzabout it?

/LOVE it!

#120 Victor

I know!

Gagdad just slays me ~ everytime!

His blog really gets me laughing out loud, too.

#121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm pretty sure it was that one. I don't recall being on another lately.

Sometimes, I lose my regularity. Lack of fiber in the diet, you know. So, if there's a Mpls. Star Tribune handy, I go to the editorial page. If not, I unplug my laptop and head on over to Kos.

Nothing like Kossaks and a cigarette to loosen yer bowels in the morning.

I thought the riots had endes..since I hadn't seen any mention on DNCBS in days. Guess not. But the MSM is really not biased.

Funny Email I got:

As many are aware, the French government recently announced a raise in its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide". The normal level is "General Arrogance", and the only two higher levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate". The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

It's not only the French that are on a heightened level of alert:

The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdain" to
"Dress in uniform and sing marching songs". They have two higher
levels: "Invade a neighbour" and "Lose".

The British are also feeling the pinch in relation to recent bombings and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "Bloody Nuisance". The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the Great Fire of 1666.

#126 mhag

The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdain" to "Dress in uniform and sing marching songs". They have two higher levels: "Invade a neighbour" and "Lose".

I'm reminded of a joke Jay Leno made coupla months ago. He pointed out that unemployment in Germany was at (around) 12.7%. Which is really bad, because when it reaches 13%, they invade Poland.

#16 Bad Penny:

Hey, and I thought that these Muslim ghettos were the famous "no go" areas for the police. So how can they be afraid of the state arresting them for disciplining their children? Douh!

120

Thanks for the heads-up on Gagdad Bob's blog. (Say that five times fast.) Wonderful.

Is anyone really surprised these people won't learn the language or integrate. Remember this story:

Beurger King

Prime example, flagirl.

They can't co-exist with an abstract swirl, yet France is to blame because they haven't assimilated. Yeah, right.

#130 flagirl

Actually, that sounds like a capitalist success story. The Jewish dietary laws are almost identical, and I've seen many glatt kosher Chinese & Mexican restaurants pop up all over New York in the past decade.

Why do I keep getting these visions of Osterichs when I think of the Fwench?

I lived in Germany for 5 years and learned to speak German so well, people thought I was Dutch.

I have no sympathy for lazy bastards who move to another country and won't learn to communicate in the native language. I had the same disdain for Americans who came to Germany and expected people to speak English without even the courtesy of asking.

I've traveled the globe and the first phrase I learn in the language of the country I'm visiting is "Do you speak English?" It's amazing at the difference a little courtesy makes (except in France).

Ah, yes. Government takes away rights and responsibilities of parents in the raising of their children. Then the libs lay the responsibility for creation of sociopaths at the feet of the parents and claim that parents are not to be trusted with the process of raising children, and therefore, more responsibility for the process must be transfered to the government. Arg!

It's day 16, and it seem's there was something I needed to say, but I can't...quite...remember...Oh!..Now I remember.
QUAGMIRE QUAGMIRE QUAGMIRE QUAGMIRE QUAGMIRE!

Dedicated lizardoids may recall that this story was posted on this morning's open thread (entry #175) but I won't complain about the lack of a hat tip (note to self: always email a copy of posted articles to Charles).

This quote caught my attention:

"They don't give work to the young."

Which reflects an attitude of entitlement. Instead of going out and finding a job they expect the state to provide them. I suspect the welfare culture is to blame for this.

The best part (aside from the parents only being able of speaking arabic and their kids only being able to speak French - huh?) Is this:

"...They don't give work to the young..."

Gimmee gimmee gimmee!

Yeah, if they could just stone their children...

109 godfrey - We who post at sites like this are a small subset of the pop. Most people don't follow the news. So they know what the headlines say, if that. It's amazing Reps even get elected, though most don't vote. #113 pajama momma - I'm glad SOME Indians are making $, but I think it's few and far between. Some of the "tribes" seem kind of phony to me. Take care evryone. Good night.

France must leave the occupied suburbs!

Death to the Fwench Occupiers!

Re:#69 Bubble Girl

"I pass for an LLL... I drive a Volvo.. have long hair.. wear Levis and no bra... and I am a Latina... so, I should be one... at least superficially...

I have many bows in my quiver..."

At the risk of being picky, most archers keep arrows in their quiver, not bows.

On the other hand, being a braless Latina in Levis might just explain why you have a lot of bows in your quiver.

#55 MarcusAurelius

Before we get all over the French/Islam parents, how about the good ol' US of A. Pretty sorry examples over here as well.

Typical LLL comeback. The LLL version of "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

Memo to MarcusAurelius: Grow up, hun. And if you are coming into this arena you better come with something better then that. Either bring facts and be prepared to defend your position or wear a helmet. Because you will end up being a human pinata.

#83 MarcusAurelius

I wasn't thinkin' of Mexicans. Kinda thinking of US white folks who should know better.

The only "white folks" I see burning and rioting are your friends. Your pals the LLL's, the "peace" and "anti globalization" protesters, the eco terrorists, Marxists/Communists/Greens/Democrats.

Nevertheless, a lot burning going on here over the years. South Central LA Watts, DC.,Detroit...

Now if you were as smart as you think you are you would realise that those are minor compared to some of the riots that have occured in Europe in the last 50 years. Of course idiotarians such as yourself try to sweep that all under the rug while screecing "Look at how bad the US is!". You are doing it right now with your series of posts here. No one is fooled.

And then there was Columbine

Of course you make no mention of the school shooings in Australia, Luxemborg, Germany, Scotland that were MUCH worse then Columbine. And you make no mention of the massacre in Beslan because that was carried out by you heroes the Islamofascists.

/the truth still hurts

You intentionally ignore the cold hard truth in order to advance some infantile political agenda.

Denial, you are soaking in it.

You know, the cold, hard truth will come and pay you a visit. Just like it did with Theo Van Gogh. You will finally get the cosmic clue as your Islamist heroes are pulling your head back and slitting your throat. Well, at least you won't have to live long realising just how stupid you have been.

So to sum up:

Disaffected (read: neo-nazi) immigrant (read: Islamic) children (read: adults) have been rioting (read: arson, insurrection) for 16 days. In dozens of cities. Apparently over two more children (read: adults) who, being chased by the police, decided to run into a train yard and leap onto a 12000 volt frying pan. (Read: Morons kill selves after committing crime, other morons riot in protest.)

The children (ahem) are misbehaving (read: arson, ADW, etc) because they were ignored by parents who were unable to communicate at all with their children as a result of being away all day at their job, which was being unemployed.

The parents complain that these free-range children could have been kept under control but for the fear that the police that won't follow up on murder and rape charges in their neighborhoods will somehow swoop down like hawks after a spanking.

And apparently (I'm a bit confused here), that if France weren't so darned French, the youths wouldn't be rioting. Either because the french speak French and not Arabic, or because the children are trying to be like native Frenchmen (who are not rioting).

Since these kids speak French and the parents don't, and the parents speak Arabic and the children don't, are the parents saying that these aren't their children?

I said it was confusing.

Oh, and "sale juif" is just a Frenchism for "mid-20th-century socialisty/nationalist authoritarian." You know how funny the French are with language.

Will someone enlighten me please? I must not be nuanced enough to grok this.

>My stupid question is, if most of the rioters were under 18, why are they claiming"unemployment" is an issue?

Anyone with a pulse can claim welfare in Europe.

No riots will happen in America, becuase American immigrants work.

I live in England and we're all asking, how long till it happens here.

#44 Bubble Girl

So it takes less than a village to raise a child.

The French version: It takes many children to raze a village.

#146-Londoner

I live in England and we're all asking, how long till it happens here.

Your question, truly is the crux of the biscuit. The unfortunate reality, IMHO, is that more decisive action wasn't taken by french authorities the first night. If they had at least taken action by the second night, perhaps the repercussions could have been diminished. Now that this has continued for 16 day's, the muslim's that are stirred by the radical's, will be emboldened, and view the rest of Europe, and perhaps all of the West, as weak and conciliatory.
I can assure you, that had this event occurred in Texas, the rioting wouldn't have lasted 16 hrs, let alone 16 day's, as I and many other's like me, would have taken elevated position's, and started dropping the junior jihadi's. Had the french people taken action, regardless of whether the govt did or not, this would have ended much sooner. If one is conditioned so as not to defend their family, person, or property, then one is a victim, waiting for the crime.

"Hail to the Chief," which is rarely played to mark Bush's arrival, blared from speakers in the warehouse.

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Associated Press writers Kathy Matheson in Philadelphia and Will Lester in Washington contributed to this report by Riechmann.

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#144 Nahanni

Wow, that's good! Hats off, gentlemen.

no2liberals and Londoner

Worse than an irk is what I feel regarding the Francoarabic youths' targets. They would:

*beat your father to death for responsibly trying to stop their blaze of his home

*burn your mother alive as she hobbles out of a bus on her crutches attempting to escape

*blow up babies in a nursery school

*blow up the ill and caregivers in hospitals

*shoot police

*burn your means to earn a living...

*cry innocence like a bloody wolf in the henhouse

If it happened where I live, the only way to end such barbaric insurrection is to snuff it out at the root. Any appeasement only leaves the infectious problem to grow in defiant strength to eventually conquer the nation. This is piracy of civilization. Every responsible citizen needs to put a stop to this criminal thievery of their homeland.

Perhaps socialist countries who imported cheap labor to socially rape could at least draft the unemployed and enforce public labor projects like the CCC. Draft the unemployed to work building better schools, housing, industry, or offer them a departure ticket. They can take advantage of public education to improve their lot in life as already provided, or remain constructive laborers, or take the ride "home" to their land of origin. Internationally, WELFARE recipients must WORK for the dole! How can one be part of a system without working within it?

Irony: Arbeit macht Frei, the concept was ruined by sinister connotation. Damn the Fascist murderers! I suppose the French will reinstate their same old Imperial ways, shipping off crooks to horrid destinations. This time, of course, under a new guise: If they ship their disenfranchised back to their place of origin, no doubt it will be to re-colonize.

The French are to the Middle East as the USSR was to Eastern Europe.

The USA is to the Middle East as it was following WWII to Germany and Japan.

The lesson everyone needs to realize is that France is a dirty, rotten loser. France is NO ONE'S friend. France is the culmination of European betrayal. Haughty France will never change by nature; they grossly adore themselves and despise all else. French diplomacy is a mere chirade of sophisticated cloak and dagger sabatoge. They have no shame, and therefore relate the best with Islamofacists, their international bed mates.