pjm rollout!

Charles: you smokin today!

Well, I got about half down the page and just closed the window. Total BS.

At which point I smiled and nodded and turned to take my leave. Quickly.

In the company of such intellect, no wonder he was so intimidated.

I just skimmed until the comments at which point I almost sprayed my monitor with diet Mt. Dew! That first comment is a doozy.

Some folks thought that Jeff was serious, it's a joke folks. He's not in New York at the OSM rollout.

Yup, a real snoozer.

ROTFLMAO!

The guy writes dialogue like a second-grader.

I need to get outta Philly!

Where the HELL does anything go around here anymore?

I've got NEWS!

I KNEW IT! The special prosecutor, Fitzgerald, tried to try the case in his press conference a couple of weeks ago. I KNEW I didn't like that guy. Now Bob Woodward has admitted that he knew Valerie Plame's name and position long before Libby is supposed to have 'outed' her. The case against Libby is DEAD! Woodwards testimony proves that Libby could have been telling the truth and the fact he didn't remember who told him isn't relevant either because Walter Pinkus doesn't remember being told by Woodward either so that goes to prove two people can remember things differently.

Joe diGenova on FOX said that the S.P. has an ABSOLUTE duty now, in light of the forcefulness of his earlier press conference, to dismiss the case against Libby.

Cmon, it was so freakin' funnie!
and the very bestest thing was, Allah had to tell Althouse it was a joke!
talk about no self-deprecating sense of humor...

sissy willis said on Ann's blog, "...hell hath no fury..."
*giggles*
i think i know where that icepick is...
;-)

I'm there in Jeff's alternate universe also.

BTW, his serious commentary is top-rate.

I went to college with Walter Pincus' daughter.

That, and $3.50 will get me a coffee at Starbucks.

#12 foreign devil, fantastic news! There are some people I need to rub their nose with this:-) Woo-hoo!

Will Libby get his old job back?

reaganite, did he fool you too?
*gasp*

Yup ... althouse was also taken in. Funny stuff.

#12 FD

Great news...Chrissy is having a hissy fit!

Please check your facts at the door.

well, part three is my favorite!
ha ha!
altlas' thighs!

#12 foreign devil

They way I read it (Fox News article) was that Libby wasn't the leaker BUT that somone in the Administration was. Does that put Rove/Cheney are back in the cross-hairs?

Maybe I just misunderstood.

Is Daniel Rubin related to Trudy Rubin? Because that would explain a lot...

/Dingbats R Us

Joe DiGenova on Britt just said that the original leaker to Woodward was a "ex administration" offical. Don't know how he knows that...but I trust him more than 'bout anyone!

Fake but accurate.

Sorta like Valerie Plame's credentials.

#23 oh_dude:

I don't know what it does to the case against Rove (but I should think that's the end of it) but if Woodward (as he testified today) was told by someone and knew Valerie Plames name and identify long before Libby was supposed to have leaked it, then wherever Woodward got it from Libby and Rove are out of it. DiGenova says the S.P. now has a STRONG duty to announce the case is closed.

LOL!

and Pam of Atlas Shrugs (who wrapped his twitching bulk in her thighs like a ball python wraps a gerbil) until security could escort him kicking and biting out of the building.

Go Atlas!

said that the original leaker to Woodward was a "ex administration" offical.

Ari Fliecher (sp?) (previous press secy) perhaps?

#8 TFK:

You have now placed this same comment on every thread posted today. Stop spamming.

Sarah D., you got that it was mock, right?

#12 foreign devil

Good catch. Just read that on Fox also. Charges dropped at 0800AM conference. Hmm make it 0900am just to be safe.

#30 Jheka, but I see 'ROTFLMAO!' and 'LOL!' spammed around a lot more;-)

14 Juliette

Hello, good to see you again...were you in NYC?

"Bullshit," Blair hissed. “The Hulk never said any such thing. Any such thing. You fibbing, wizened bastard.”

That needs to be nominated for something.

#29 don't know...maybe. Ari certainly would want to get Libby off the hook, but either way, didn't sound like the source has done anything wrong or else the procecutor will be bringing up charges against him.

Bret Hume and the FOX 'All Stars' are going to discuss the Woodword/Libby point after this commercial break.

Speaking of clue phones - will someone please administer one to the media who keeps pimping that white phosphorus is a chemical weapon.

Brian Williams is peddling the story of the battle of Fallujah - The accusations - by Italian TV. Jeff Englehart is mentioned. The Pentagon said that it was used but denies targeting civilians. And here comes the Vietnam comparison (and goes on to claim that white phosphorus is more damaging than napalm).

ACK!

#37

Thanks...am watching it,too

#33 Roger:

I've scrolled over so much of TFK's stream-of-consciousness-on-shrooms crap in the months that he's been here, I figure he owes me a new mouse by now. If he wants to criticize Charles or LGF or OSM or LGF readers he should try and use a few words of the English language strung together coherently so that people can actually respond to his thoughts instead of spamming every thread with the same insulting, intellectually lazy two word comment.

said that the original leaker to Woodward was a "ex administration" offical.

Would Tenant be considered an administration official?

Oh, and #33 Roger:

LOL!

Hi. Posting about a blog posting about a new blog full of bloggers. I should put this on my blog.

#43 Rancher:

If you do, I'll be sure to blog about it.

Blogger's blogging about other blogger's blogging's.

Blinking bloody blogs anyway!

#34 Elcid:

Hello, good to see you again...were you in NYC?

Only in my dreams! And Jeff's warped mind. :-)

(Have responsibilities at home.)

#12 foreign devil

How is this news? Her husband outed her in a book. The CIA outed her to the Cubans. She outed herself by driving to her office at Langly. There are others I can't recall who outed her way before Libby. She's benn outed more times then Hillary's been ___ by Bill. (Fill in blank)

Hmmm. Maybe I could start a blog.

Beer Blogging Time!

Jheka, you need to get back down here, you'll waste away to nothing up there on your Amish schoolgirl non-beer diet!

#48 Rancher

Cuckolded?

#12 foreign devil

I watched you having your conniption the day Fitzgerald issued his report. You really need to chill out. Remember, Libby was NOT accused by Fitzgerald of "leaking" Plame's identity. Therefore, whatever that has-been Woodward has to say is inconsequential.

#23 oh_dude

I know this wasn't your point exactly but…

It doesn't !#%^$%^!#$ matter who "leaked" the name of this desk jockey. She was six years from any "covert" work which puts this firmly outside of a crime. Libby's crimes, such as they were, were lying and not being completely forthcoming. Not exactly treason as our friends on the L³eft would have it.

#41 @Tenet

Yes...I would think so...and have wondered all along if Tenet didn't have a lot more to do with this thing. Someone who had alot more at stake that who talked to whom about Flame and when. All this nonsense was to take our attention away from why Wilson went there in the first place. I think Tenet is up to his eyeballs in this whole mess

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

#52 NTropy

Listen, I pretty much agree with you. I could care less in the sense that this is all bullshit in the first place. The concern I have is the reaction of the hook-line-sinker-get-their-news-exlusively-from-th e-MSM masses who make this such a big deal in the first place.

I was just wondering about this, the FOX news article is worded so loosely it makes you draw the same conclusion... So whodunnit?

Just waiting for this whole thing to go away.

Don't even get me started on the Wilson/CIA connection to this debacle.

#52 NTropy:

You may have watched me but I've never noticed you before and I don't think I'll bother again. Nice attitude you bring to the thread!

#48 racher:

What was news was that Woodward testified today that he knew her identity long before Libby was supposed to have outed her. If so, then Rove and Libby couldn't have done it. I think Tenet did it before he left office but it's only a guess.

And everybody, get of the crab rag will you? You're all grouchy and crabby tonight!

#57 foreign devil, my take is Plame and Wilson outed her CIA connection so they & friends could sick the dogs on the Bush admin.

#57 FD

And everybody, get of the crab rag will you? You're all grouchy and crabby tonight!

No shit I'm with you.

Have you guys forgotten that the bar is now OPEN?

Fortunately it's not against the law to discredit Joe Wilson.

OT:

CNN is using the Kostards blog to "verify" the Phosphorous story in Iraq!

How bout that pair!

I'll say this about Woodward, he has more integrity than most in the MSM.

#58 Roger:

It seems the husband, Joe, was waving at people from his convertible and telling them 'Hi! Meet my wife who's in the CIA'. Now, whether it was as blatant as that, I don't know but it certainly seems this sudden concern for her 'secret' status has been a recent stand because at one time, he wasn't concerned at all. Au contraire! He seemed proud of it and bragged on it.

#61 ted

OT:

CNN is using the Kostards blog to "verify" the Phosphorous story in Iraq!

Good grief. What's next, will the Caliphate News Network use Stormfront to verify the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

remember...Woodward has good connections in the CIA...afterall..."Deep Throat" worked as Dep Director at the time IIRC

65 savage_nation

FUCK did I have a BAD DAY TODAY!

Have a stiff drink or two. If you don't drink, start...:).

#61 ted

CNN is using the Kostards blog to "verify" the Phosphorous story in Iraq!

Stupid me. I went to military sources and checked out what sort of advice they give troops who must employ the weapons. I'll be less responsible in the future, promise.

#56 foreign devil

Perhaps I mispoke a bit; allow me to clarify. I admire your zeal on behalf of Libby and against Fitzgerald. On "Fitzmas Day" I just thought it was a tad much. I simply believe this to be a tempest in a teapot. A whole lot of no big deal.

Whether you notice me or not is of no consequence. I really couldn't care less. I'm only mildly curious as to what attitude you think I've brought to the thread since I'm essentially agreeing with your point of view.

I get a bit grouchy about the "outing" since I firmly believe there was no such thing. It's probably becaue I have a very el cubo former roommate who went all hysterical about the "treasonous Bush administration exposing a covert operative". [gag!]

Hey... How come no H/T for Ann Althouse?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

47 Juliette

(Have responsibilities at home.)

Yeah, those damn responsibilities at home...:).

Maybe Fitzgerald can investigate the "Deep Throat" thing since he's fishing for a case.

Oh, we already know who deep throat is. Never mind.

#65 savage_nation

Uh oh. Have a beer, relax.

Or have a beer and rant, that usually works better for me.

#69 NTropy

I get a bit grouchy about the "outing" since I firmly believe there was no such thing. It's probably becaue I have a very el cubo former roommate who went all hysterical about the "treasonous Bush administration exposing a covert operative". [gag!]

Meanwhile, pompous grandstanding Senator Jay Rockefeller can publically expose an ongoing CIA covert operation (TWICE!) and gets a complete pass. A better example of Democrat/MSM hypocrisy you'll never find.

#74 Spiny Norman

Yeah but Bush lied to him about Iraq! [gagx2]

#75 savage_nation:

I'm so sorry. Did you know her well? G.F.? That's so sad when they were so young but believe this...it seemed to have happened very quickly and if so, that's good. They probably didn't know what happened. Once again, I'm sorry for your loss.

#75 savage_nation

that is terrible...I'm so sorry.

savage_nation

I'm so sorry about your friend. 19 & 20 years old. That's so horrible.

It occurs to be that Joe DiGenova, who agrees with me that press conference he gave when he indicted Scooter Libby was a disgrace, will probably be on either O'Reilly or Hannity & Colmes tonight to discuss the new possibilities Woodward's revelation has raised.

#75 savage_nation

My condolences. I'm sorry to hear about your loss.

PIMF! I was referring to the S.P. Fitzgerald's press conference in the previous post. Arrrggghh!

#75 savage_nation
That's very sad.
I am so sorry.

I've become a big fan of those concrete barriers down the center that prevent cars from crossing the median.

75 savage_nation

Someone I know got herself killed this morning driving on ice.

Oh my that's terrible...just horrible.

And I TOLD Stephanie to stay at the truckstop in Avoca because it was teflon slick. She left at 6:30, 15 mins later, she was gone...

May you, and your dear friends family, find comfort and joy in her life.

You, nor they, will ever understand the why.

savage_nation,

Very very sorry to hear that hon, hang in there.

#75 savage_nation

My deepest sympathies. I just learned this morning that my Uncle died. He was driving on his way home from a weekly dialysis treatment and apparently had a heart attack. Luckliy no one else was injured when his car went out of control.

We lost touch over the past few years, but I'll never forget that he brought me to my very first MLB game when I was just a little kid.

savage_nation:

I'll pray for her family and for you. I don't know what else to say. So sad...

#75 savage_nation, our life styles are go,go,go. Sometimes as you pointed out we would be better off if we stayed put when the weather is bad. Makes me think of all the unnecessary trips I've made. So they got the driver out and the car exploded before they could get the girls out?

#75 savage_nation

Dude, I'm so sorry.

80 foreign devil

i hope so...I like DeGenova, but don't think O'Reilly will get into this...but Sean should. "The Factor" is taped and seems to take an extra day to get up to speed on things and he never talked that much about it anyway

He meant to say "Bite Media" instead of Bite Me.

#94 savage_nation

You're damn smart not to drive in the snow. It isn't worth the risk, especially when you're driving a big rig. It was dicy just driving down to Rolla last night. It was so windy, every time you'd pass a truck, they would end up weaving across the lane.

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

"An Incontinent Congress" by Tony Blankley

"...The Democratic senators, who are the vital, winning force in the Senate on this matter, are opposed to the Iraqi war for either principled or unprincipled reasons -- depending on the senator. Some, probably many, simply want to humiliate President Bush by denying him success -- and then reap the electoral bonanza that will likely follow. I'm sure there are some senators who sincerely believe retreat and defeat is in the best interest of our country. But principled or unprincipled, their objective is the same: Getting out of Iraq is more important to them, than staying and succeeding..."

savage_nation:

I've been following the weather channel today and all across the midwest stretching up into Canada there are some high winds. Reporters interviewing people in various cities complaining about the high winds and umbrellas turned inside-out. They aren't tornadoes...just knock-you-off-your-feet winds.

#87 oh_dude

Sorry for your loss...Between you and savage_nation...Geez, think I'll dump and start drinking heavily...:(

#90 savage_nation

Thanx and ditto on this end.

#96 Lazarus:

Ever been in a small car going along in weather like that and a big rig comes up beside you and the NOISE and air sucking you...it feels almost like you're being sucked in under the wheels. It's darned spooky. I guess the worst I've ever seen is the 400 in a whiteout and high winds or the Rogers Pass in B.C. LOTS of snow! LOTS! Got caught in two slides in one night (stuck between them) while the highway crew tried to dig us out.

Good Lord, it was 85 degrees here today. I had forgotten about winter driving.

oh_dude

I'm sorry to hear about your uncle.

#87 oh_dude:

My deepest sympathies to your family as well. I'll remember you both in my prayers tonight. Not a good time of year for loss...right before CHRISTMAS! and all the other holidays.

oh_dude
I knew a man that happened to. His wife was in the car with him, but she was not injured and no one else was, either.
So sorry about your uncle.

#94,

Pardon my levity, but that's got to be one of the most colorful posts I've ever read here.

Terrible news about those young ladies.

Hi Fist:)

How's things goin weather OK in your area?

#100 savage_nation

Man, that sounds nasty.

#102 foreign devil

I've had close encounters like that in an Accord hatchback. Trucks suck them in like flies. Got in one low-speed accident on snow up in Syracuse, where I rear-ended a gal (easy...) and then got rear-ended myself while sorting it out a full five minutes later. Needless to say, to road was dangerous.

Got in another high-speed accident on ice in a Baretta, where I hit ice coming onto a highway, and the car simply went along for Isaac Newton's ride. Coefficient of friction, zero, until I hit the SUV.

Got lucky both times and no one was hurt, but my cars were.

Gotta run and get to a hockey game. Ice, much safer with skates on.

Take care, Savage and FD.

BTW - if you are inclined to send some Christmas cheer to a soldier serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, now is the time to get those packages together!

Anysoldier!

OT

They obviously don't pay headline writers well.

Create a better headline for this story:
Doohan Space Flight Delayed

HOLLYWOOD - A rocket which will blast the ashes of Star Trek star James Doohan into space has had its take-off delayed because of engine trouble.

SN: My prayers are with your family.

#107 J.D.

Thanx J.D. He had health problems for some time now, but as you know it doesn't make it any easier. His brother (my Dad) comes from a line of tough-as-nails immigrants who helped the Americans battle the Japanese in the Philippines during WWII.

Just so a 30-something, slightly overweight Dude like me can ride his bike and drink beers without a care in the World...

#104 godfrey

Thanx very much. Thanx to all.

#75 savage_nation..I am so sorry.

Re Woodward: Woodward Was Told of Plame More Than Two Years Ago

Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward testified under oath Monday in the CIA leak case that a senior administration official told him about CIA operative Valerie Plame and her position at the agency nearly a month before her identity was disclosed.

In a more than two-hour deposition, Woodward told Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald that the official casually told him in mid-June 2003 that Plame worked as a CIA analyst on weapons of mass destruction, and that he did not believe the information to be classified or sensitive, according to a statement Woodward released yesterday.

Fitzgerald interviewed Woodward about the previously undisclosed conversation after the official alerted the prosecutor to it on Nov. 3 -- one week after Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was indicted in the investigation.

Citing a confidentiality agreement in which the source freed Woodward to testify but would not allow him to discuss their conversations publicly, Woodward and Post editors refused to disclose the official's name or provide crucial details about the testimony. Woodward did not share the information with Washington Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr. until last month, and the only Post reporter whom Woodward said he remembers telling in the summer of 2003 does not recall the conversation taking place.

Woodward said he also testified that he met with Libby on June 27, 2003, and discussed Iraq policy as part of his research for a book on President Bush's march to war. He said he does not believe Libby said anything about Plame.

He also told Fitzgerald that it is possible he asked Libby about Plame or her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. He based that testimony on an 18-page list of questions he planned to ask Libby in an interview that included the phrases "yellowcake" and "Joe Wilson's wife." Woodward said in his statement, however, that "I had no recollection" of mentioning the pair to Libby. He also said that his original government source did not mention Plame by name, referring to her only as "Wilson's wife."

Woodward's testimony appears to change key elements in the chronology Fitzgerald laid out in his investigation and announced when indicting Libby three weeks ago. It would make the unnamed official -- not Libby -- the first government employee to disclose Plame's CIA employment to a reporter. It would also make Woodward, who has been publicly critical of the investigation, the first reporter known to have learned about Plame from a government source.

The testimony, however, does not appear to shed new light on whether Libby is guilty of lying and obstructing justice in the nearly two-year-old probe or provide new insight into the role of senior Bush adviser Karl Rove, who remains under investigation.

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Rove, said that Rove is not the unnamed official who told Woodward about Plame and that he did not discuss Plame with Woodward.

William Jeffress Jr., one of Libby's lawyers, said yesterday that Woodward's testimony undermines Fitzgerald's public claims about his client and raises questions about what else the prosecutor may not know. Libby has said he learned Plame's identity from NBC's Tim Russert.

"If what Woodward says is so, will Mr. Fitzgerald now say he was wrong to say on TV that Scooter Libby was the first official to give this information to a reporter?" Jeffress said last night. "The second question I would have is: Why did Mr. Fitzgerald indict Mr. Libby before fully investigating what other reporters knew about Wilson's wife?"...

Read it all, and try to keep a straight face! Foreign Devil..thanks! Video included. :)

108 Iron Fist

I can't even post there. I got banned. :-p

oh_dude

I'm catching up here...Sorry for your loss. Sounds like he had a life to celebrate.

HA-ha!

LA Times, Chicago Tribune and Orlando Sentinel cutting newsroom jobs.

In the latest high-profile round of job cuts in the newspaper industry, the Los Angeles Times announced Wednesday it is cutting about 85 newsroom jobs, or approximately 8 percent of its editorial staff.

The Times was one of three papers owned by Chicago-based Tribune Co. to announce cuts.

The company's other flagship paper, the Chicago Tribune, said Wednesday it would eliminate fewer than 100 jobs in and out of the newsroom, while the Orlando Sentinel announced an unspecified number of cuts.

On the very day OSM launches, one of the major newspaper chains announces reporting cutbacks. It's like watching the scales of history shift right before your eyes.

Have not heard this mentioned anywhere before but in the back of my mind I have a nagging thought that all of this Plame/CIA/Bad Intelligence stuff (which seems to me to be coming from disgruntled/Liberal CIA leaks) has some connection to George H.W. Bush. HE WAS CIA Director earlier in his political career.
As the old saying goes "Payback is hell" and I just can't help but wonder if maybe Bush 1 really pissed off someone.
It's a point that is never mentioned. Hummm
Maybe it's too far removed but hey the LLL's are still pissed off over Reagan.

oh_dude
Thank him for me, will you please?

Perry
Can't post at lgc?
There must be some mistake...

zombie
"Our" newspaper is Knight-Ridder-owned, and lately they've had editorial sections that have shrunk considerably. I think they've slowly come to the realization that they've p-o'd way too many of their paying customers with the garbage they print.

#23 oh dude

Does that put Rove/Cheney are back in the cross-hairs?

Cheney can't get into trouble if Libby was the one he told since he has clearance.
Rove isn't as his lawyers say that he never spoke to Woodward.

#102 Foreign Devil

Ever been in a small car going along in weather like that and a big rig comes up beside you and the NOISE and air sucking you...it feels almost like you're being sucked in under the wheels. It's darned spooky.

I know exactly what you're talking about (and so does anyone else who's done their share of winter driving.) It's around a "pucker factor" 7 - 8. When you start sliding out of control the PF pins at 10. And it's worse in the south b/c there's always that one storm that hits every year and everyone freaks out and just jams on the breaks at every opportunity. Atlanta in a hardcore winter storm is terrifying, for example.

Savage_Nation I'm really, really sorry for your loss. Prayers to you and those who've been lost, their family and friends.

Sorry, Charles. I for one am not going to rush to defend this OSM concept - not until I see that you're not selling out.

128 J.D.
I'm being helped; no worries.

#134 savage-nation

That's a real nice reaction to the free and civil exchange of ideas and speech. With a little more vitriol, you'll qualify for dailykos.com.

Once again, I'll reiterate. I will wait to see whether or not this venture-capital funded enterprise results in commercialization or sellout. In any event, I hope Charles makes some bucks.

As for you Savage Nation, pipe down.

#134 Savage Nation

Pardon me, but who the fuck are YOU? Charles practically invented the blog concept, definitely refined it.

No sellout that I can see. Oh, and don't even THINK of trying to counter my point because I had a VERY BAD DAY and I'm not in the mood right now for naysayers like YOU...

I would never be concerned about Charles "selling out"; it's his business and he can do what he wants with it. I've known other people to have dealings with venture capitalists, though; they're like the mafia only not so warm and fuzzy.

#136 SwampWoman

Therein lies the danger: venture capitalists generally are seeking higher rates of return than other lenders. If OSM doesn't generate those returns, they could stick their hands in the operation, thereby diluting its "Openness".

I just realized the ads are gone >>>.

A bit of cheer: Michael Moore a victim of his own success

Whatever happened to Michael Moore, the man who told us his mission in life was to stop President Bush from getting re-elected? The man who loathed Bush so much he spent millions of dollars making a film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," the main purpose of which was to discredit the president. The man who went on national television and relentlessly toured the United States begging people to vote the Republicans out of office. Moore never missed an opportunity to ram home the fact that he sought nothing less than total humiliation for Dubya.

But since Bush was returned to the White House, Moore has been strangely silent. Obviously, he found the result extremely unpalatable and Moore is not someone who likes to lose an argument. Apart from launching a film festival in a remote part of Michigan a couple of months ago, he seems to have vanished into thin air. There were stories that he'd been shacked up at a Florida fat farm trying to lose weight. There were rumors that he's toured New Orleans after Katrina, but reading his Web site, it's clear that while keen to rally support for the homeless and jobless, he was not actually there in person.

Now a new book, "Do As I Say (Not As I Do) -- Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," by the right-wing commentator Peter Schweizer, criticizes Moore for not living up to the high moral standards he claims to espouse. The author, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, went through publicly available IRS documents to discover that Moore's foundation bought shares in some of the companies he has spent a career in the media attacking.

Not just a few shares either. Don't forget Moore has always said he doesn't own any stock and doesn't have a broker. But his foundation owns tens of thousands of shares in Boeing, Sonoco, Eli Lilly and Halliburton, the same defense company that "Fahrenheit 9/11" attacked for making huge profits out of rebuilding such countries as Afghanistan and Iraq after U.S. military intervention.

Even more damaging, try logging on to the Name the Hypocrite Web site and read claims that Moore, who says conservatives are racist because they don't support affirmative action, has managed to employ only three black people out of a work force of 135 working on his books, television shows and radio projects. Moore, who says Americans who live in white neighborhoods are racist, has lived for the past seven years in a waterfront home in Central Lake, Mich., a community of 2,600 residents. The 2000 Census records that the number of black people living there is zero.

Fourteen months ago, I wrote "he makes politics seem as exciting as a ball game, as partisan and one-dimensional as a comic. He aims so low it's extraordinary." Even so, I have always saluted Moore's achievements as a communicator, putting complicated subjects across to the mass audience. I commented that denigrating Moore because he distorted the truth in his movies and books was missing the point, and if every major politician was judged on how often he got his facts right Bush, Tony Blair and Jacques Chirac would have been impeached and removed from office years ago.

Over the past year, however, Moore has not only got richer than in his wildest dreams, but his celebrity status has meant that he now mingles with the glitterati. Stories of his giant ego and huge tantrums abound, but how many were manufactured by those on the right fearful of his influence? I decided to go to the United States and make a documentary about how the champion of the underdog has morphed into one of the creatures he originally so despised.

Now Moore is more unapproachable than the pope, more obsessed with his own security than Elton John. There's a dangerous gap between the Moore of myth and the reality...

enjoy the rest, too!

#135 deanyc

If I remember correctly (and it's quite possible I don't ... another story) I believe the point of the whole PM thing was to bring together differing opinions ... turn them loose and let the sparks fly ... Charles' "fair and balanced" thing ... thus mixing David Corn and Michele Malkin in the same venture (Michele sets off sparks all her own ... but of a different type ;^) ) ... I'm sure Charles wants to make it work ... sooo you need money BUT I sincerely believe that his first priority is to spark debate and if it makes money GREAT! Youuuse Guys from NYC ... all you ever think about is bucks ...

#137 deanyc

Therein lies the danger: venture capitalists generally are seeking higher rates of return than other lenders. If OSM doesn't generate those returns, they could stick their hands in the operation, thereby diluting its "Openness".

And, from the VC point of view, the person with the entrepreneurial spirit and the vision to start a company may not be the best person to head the company in the day-to-day operations once the company reaches a certain size.

Howdy

#140 Cavy

I'm not from NYC.

#142

What up preacher?

#144 cavy

my relaxation level.

some time playing a video game... a nice dinner... now i'm looking for some stuff online.

...but I am a fan of LGF and Charles, and Malkin, and Podhoretz, and VDH, etc...

We're on the same team. But that doesn't mean we can't think out loud.

#143

Opps my bad ... sorry (your deanyc fooled the old fool ":-( )

#147

No worries. I was born in NYC, if that makes you feel any better.

#122 N.Y. Nana:

Thanks for the video. I didn't see that before. I was so fed up the day he was indicting Libby. Fitzgerald committed the sin of WALLOWING in his triumph. It was evident to me that 'under cover of a press conference to announce the indictment' it was a public gloat. So if Fitzgerald has to eat some crow now, that's fine with me. I saw straight through him at the time. Meanwhile everyone else was going on about what a great guy and a 'straight shooter' he was. Bollocks! He wasn't able to get Rove and he didn't get Libby on false information or obstruction or anything the original indictment was based on. He could only come up with some trumped up charge that Libby 'lied about who told him about Valerie Plame'. Well, sorry, anybody can misremember who told them something. It was very thin and a real stretch. Now, with this revelation he's going to have to climb back down off his high horse and admit he hasn't got anything and Libby was telling him the truth.

This whole thing has been another Democratic 'campaign'. They are based on nothing and are merely meant to tie up the party answering the charges. But during a war it's really irresponsible. The party of Spoiled Brats from O.C.

hey did you all hear about the episode of law and order tonight? accusing the minutemen of murder? there is talk of boycotting the advertisers of the show, (since i dont have a TV) does anyone know who the advertisers are?
[Link: stoptheaclu.com...]

148 deanyc

Cool!

I guess the point of my comment can be summed up by my recollection of Charles' announcement that David Corn was joining PM ... there were a lot of negative comments ... I thought it was great! The best way to expose your opponents weakness is to draw him out in the open ... then BAM you can nail him ... David will have to temper his vitriol or else he will make a fool out of himself (again and again)(and again!) There are too many short memory’s in today’s "political debate" ... that's how the moonbats can get away with the "Bush Lied" crap. I believe that Charles has devised a way to return things to OPEN DEBATE. I really don't think he came up with this idea to make money ... although I'm sure he likes the stuff. Faith brother ... Faith

Charles,

I suggest you make the little OSM icon that shows up in the address bar of the browser, and sits to the left of the title of the links when displaying bookmarks, (I forget the name of it) - make it a tad bigger, and maybe brighter.

S fthcoB

#151 Cavy

Well said. I will try to have faith.

Just looked it up. It's called a favicon.

#138 J.D.

Wow, I didn't notice until you mentioned it.
Wassup with dat?

150 lockednloaded
I didn't see the episode, but am not surprised.
Earlier tonight, I did see about 5 minutes of NBC's E-Ring, about a group of "fundamentalist Christians" who seized a mosque and held the poor muzlims hostage.
Poor [bigoted word]s, always the victims, thanks to the useful idiots of the mainstream demo party.

It was so obviously phony. Cliched & over the top. LGF has been nice. I'm glad for Charles. Hope it goes well. I just fear this will cause LGF to become tame. The outside investors scare me. They're gonna call all the shots. It's been enjoyable. I hope I don't have to find a new place.

#157 Baldy

LGF will still be here, and though the regular posters may change, it will still be the same LGF.

156 remember any commercials? i love the power of a righteous boycott

# 157 Baldy

Where is this OSM site ? I have been both busy and avoiding this whole thing, but I suppose I ought to take a look.

So are the OSM types going to shut off comments on all the blogs now?

so whats next weeks episode of E-RING? fundamentalist christians fly planes into skyscrapers in newyork, in an attempt to topple the government and replace it with a caliphate? caliphate, er uhm i mean christendom, yeah thats the ticket.

Mike C [Link: www.osm.org...]

159
I didn't make it to the first commercial break. A few minutes was all I could stomach.

Charles stated that he will NOT shut off comments.

See comment #93.

#161 Baldy

If I understand it correctly, OSM hopes that those of us here and other bloggers and posters will do what we have been doing, suppling links and fact-checking everything posted.

# 163 Baldy

Got it. Thanks.

Isn't Lawrence Kudlow a Chinaphile?

#158 Sarah D.

LGF will still be here, and though the regular posters may change, it will still be the same LGF.

I agree, Charles has already said LGF will not change format. OSM is an entirely separate organism.

I vaguely remember something from my days watching CNBC of Mr Kudlow being kind of supportive of China & the phony argument that they will become FREE now that some of them are making money. Maybe I'm wrong, but some of the names are so mainstream in OSM, I have my doubts that this will end up being anything different than the MSM. Everyone will become respectable, in all the worst meaning(s).

OT - We don't really need New Jersey anywise, do we?

I woke up from my nap and had bad feelings about how this OSM will affect the LGF that I love. I hope it's nothing, but I think it will be worse than Rathergate in changing this place. The outside investors & advertisers will call the shots in my "nightmare."

# 170 Iron Fist

The monopoly may be dead, but not the institution itself (or themselves). Until the alternatives find their way into print, the traditionalists will be with us. Every new media technology that came down the pike was supposed to finally kill the book. Didn't happen. Let's see if this new group can make the ultimate leap into the 'dead tree' realm in some form or fashion.

#172 Titus Quinctius Cinncinatus on the Ohio Riverus

Might help actually with diminishing Combat Casualties on the Jersey Shore.

172 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Damn! Now the New Jerkey moonbats are going to be pissed.

Well got to go light the ole wood stove ... gonna get cold here tonight ... nothing like some good old smokey emissions to warm up the hut ... even if it does block the cooling of the "earf" Tuff $hit, mama gets cold and you don't want to piss mama off...
Daddy kno whaa he spose ta do ... to keep his ass outta the crack!

172 TQC
Look on the bright side. There may soon be an influx of Dutch seeking new homes. They seem to have some experience with dikes (however you want to spell it).

Isn't the goal to beome the new MSM? It will eventually happen, if one isn't careful. Commercialization will ruin evrything. Can't offend the advertisers or investors. I'm sure Charles wouldn't lie to us, but things will change. Rathergate changed this place in ways I don't like (fag-bashing much more common now). OSM + $ will change it too. I can't believe outside investors would put $3.5 million into OSM if they read LGF & Corn etc. Everything could become bland. Can't upset the money. He who pays, rules.

OT, Important News for NJ Lizards!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Not to worry though. Jon Corzine and his Democrats in the Assembly and Senate will make Jersey uninhabitable long before sea levels ever get to be an issue.

What's with the 'youse guys'? I have lived in NY for over 40 years, started going to the Bronx when I was 7, as we had family there (I'm from a Boston suburb), and my husband is from Brooklyn, where we met, and he says the only place he ever heard it was in B movies! It was used only in a certain part of Manhattan until, about, the 1930's..no real native New Yorker says it now. Fuhgedaboutit! :)

#149 foreign devil

You are so right. The whole thing smelled from Day One, and I know I read a few articles about her having been outed by her sleazoid husband in casual conversation, and Joe Wilson is, IMHO, the one they should be going after, as he is a POS...and would love to hurt the Administration.

Here are 2 more articles..it gets curiouser and curioser: Bob Woodward's Timetable: It's not a cover-up, but what the hell is it? and this :Woodward Apologizes to Post For Silence on Role in Leak Case

Bottom line? Scooter Libby, VP Cheney and Karl Rove are being demonized by the LLL gang and the MSM, who just may end up eating, uh, just use your imagination. :)

You were onto it from the get go.

Does anyone else remember, early on, hearing and/or reading that it was already public knowledge re Plame before Novak's article?

Do you know what today is like?

Kinda' like watching the first motorcar drive through a town full of horse drawn carriages. Good bye MSM.

#180 Baldy

I find it interessting that the ads have dis-appeared here as J.D. pointed out earlier in the thread. Kinda goes against your concerns or does it play into it? Whatcha think?

#180 Baldy

They won't pay if there is no one to see the stuff ... I'm sure they don't expect the same old dog & pony show as we now have in the MSM ... I would guess that the advertisers EXPECT it to be different. They must like the idea or else they would not lay out all the dough.

I'm not worried.

#158 Sarah D. and #169 Reaganite

I agree totally. Charles has put too much into LGF to ever compromise his values. He is a man of his word.

I am digging OSM bigtime! Charles et al, I'm telling ya, OSM is the coolest thing to hit the internet since the Jibjab videos of Kerry and GWB. Those were worth a visit or two. OSM will be a daily adventure. I stopped by about 10 OSM blogs and found something worth diving into in each one.

So long Drudge, so long Google News, there's a new sheriff in town.

184 GeeWhiz - It fits with my thinking. If ads appear again, which I assume they will, they will be more acceptable to investors. No more right-wing t-shirts. Left-wing will be OK I assume.

#172 Titus

Watch it buddy, my mother lives in New Jersey, so yes, we do need it.

#189 Baldy

I tend to agree with the return of ads but I suspect that they will have a greater variety of sponsors. Less focused and political, more general interest products & services.

#186 NY Nana

Charles has put too much into LGF to ever compromise his values. He is a man of his word.

He used to be a W basher. He found that he was an American. His word is more than good enough for me.

I didn't say Charles would compromise his integrity. RadioShack & Circuit City ads on OSM now... Wouldn't part of his integrity be to not lie to investors or advertisers? I'm sorry, but we'll see. Rathergate changed everything, this will be worse (in my selfish opinion - for me).

Has anyone else noticed the 60's replay theme that seems to be at work in the MSM the past few days?

The NY Slimes coverage of the release of Nixon era documents re: Cambodia/Nam/USSR/peaceniks/etc.

Bob Woodward.

John Kerry sound bites (no magic hat...)

The 30 minute long "Whiskey Peter" aka White Phosphourus over Fallujah video that shows Vietnamese bomber runs with Mama Cass & Co. singing California Dreaming? (and a few of the same dead baby pictures from 2002)

Is there going to be another CSN&Y reunion tour next? Will it be on Max Yasgur's farm?

#126

Maybe it's too far removed but hey the LLL's are still pissed off over Reagan

You are so correct. Eight years of Clinton still couldn't ease their pain. For the LLL, Reagan was point, game, set, match. They are now just about insane. Shame, because they are taking half the country down with them.

Holy crap ! The ads are gone ? I hadn't noticed ! Hmm.

And RE # 175 Iron Fist, yeah, I do buy dead tree papers from time to time. No internet on most aircraft yet, so I read them when travelling. And I always read at least a few issues of the local English daily when I wind up in new locales, even if they also have a website, as many of them do. The paper issue and the website are often quite a bit different, which I find interesting.

#189 Dublin (CA) Dude

Watch it buddy, my mother lives in New Jersey, so yes, we do need it.

Just speaking hypothetically here,

But if we got your mother out of NJ, would we still need the state?

#192 Baldy

Rathergate changed everything, this will be worse (in my selfish opinion - for me).

I've respected your opinion many times. I'll make you a beer bet. LGF won't change. OSM is new, LGF isn't.

Fox News used to be good, until they started beating CNN. Now, they have RFK Jr docudramas. I'm sorry, but I assume contracts were signed. Charles is probably beholden to the money-grubbers now (I'm one too).

Whiney Limeys

His wife, Maryam, said: "This is a sad day for Britain and an even sadder day for British Muslims. There is a lot of evidence that, not just Babar, but no one should be sent to the United States because of their total disregard for human rights. If there was anything to charge him with he would have been charged in this country."

Yeah, he might just get a brand spanking new copy of the crappy koran while in jail.

Cry me a freakin' river.

197 reaganite - Thanks I don't drink. I respect Charles a great deal, but I'm sure he promised THEM something. I'll wait and see when ads appear again.

UN kleptocrats are winning the CNN online poll. I imagine every Chinese citizen allowed to log on for ten seconds to vote for "internatonal body." If you want to plunge the world into a depression, destroy freedom of speech, and read nothing but government propaganda, give the Internet to the UN.

It is possible CNN's average viewer is that stupid or totalitarian, but I think someone is stacking the poll.

Cheney Calls Senate War Critics Politically Ambitious Hypocrites

"Some of the most irresponsible comments have, of course, come from politicians who actually voted in favor of authorizing force against Saddam Hussein," Mr. Cheney told the group, Frontiers of Freedom. "What we're hearing now is some politicians contradicting their own statements and making a play for political advantage in the middle of a war."

I feel Charles deserves to make alot of money on this, since he's probably sacrificed alot for LGF. I just have the willies. I hope it's nothing. I haven't slept well for 18 mos, & have been sick lately. Hopefully, nothing will change. Actually, I wish the threads didn't get so long. They're unreadable at a certain length.

Well well...

MEXICO CITY, Nov. 16 (Xinhuanet) -- Guatemala's two top anti-drug officials and one police officer were arrested in the United States for attempting to smuggle cocaine, Guatemalan Interior Minister Carlos Vielmann said on Wednesday.

No wait, the US is the most corrupt regime on the planet...I'm confused. Damn.

Baldy, I don't post much, but am an avid reader. You go to sleep now and g*d willing, you'll be ok. You seem like a great person to me.

Rebecca

#200 Baldy

I'll wait and see when ads appear again.

Actually, you've proved Charles' words. The ads are gone. To me, that proves that LGF and OSM will stay separate.

I heard that Murdock, the owner of Fox is conservative, but he is also a capitalist and he felt it was time to move more to the left because the public was more liberal and he wants to make money. I personaly feel he is wrong with this approach,but you can see the slight shift to the left.

Sarah D #165

I am not planning to close down comments

That is what Charles said on your link. Compare to

I am not planning on running for President

Things change. He didn't say no.

#196 Village Idiot

The beaches are nice. And my mom is more conservative than I am, and so are all her friends in the retirement complex.

197 200
We can hope its a Beer for My Horses Whiskey for the men deal That the ads are being split to where they are most profitable. On the other hand there are sites that keep afloat with alot less hits. Politicaly it would be bad right now to dump LGF me thinks the KOS kids and left would have a hayday with OSM with that news.

Baldy I appologize for the drinking ref but it fit so well.

Cheney superglues a truth-bomb to the skulls of anti-war loons.

OT.

Militants kill Thai villagers

#205 former demo - Thank you. I woke up at 900pm ET. I need to stay awake now :) I wonder how many of the commenters here at LGF are the evil capitalist outside investors (of course I'm a money grubber too, and technically a business owner)? :)

Baldy,

Nothing in this life is permanent. Nothing.

The fact that Charles posted about it at all shows that he has no intention of shutting down comments.

#207 nigella

I personaly feel he is wrong with this approach,but you can see the slight shift to the left.

It's a shift towards mediocrity. Blandness sells and it's a hell of a lot easier and less expensive.

150 Lockedandloaded

hey did you all hear about the episode of law and order tonight? accusing the minutemen of murder?

Yep, the minutemen didn't come off looking too good. Sam Waterson plays a smarmy prick so well, it's almost like he's channelling it directly from some well of dumb.

206 reaganite - So I am jumping to conclusions, yet no ads means you're right? See the OSM site -it implies ads will be distributed across the range of blogs. That says to me Radio Shack & Circuit City soon to come (they're on OSM NOW). CAIR boycotters get ready.

#214 Sarah D

Baldy,

Nothing in this life is permanent. Nothing.

The fact that Charles posted about it at all shows that he has no intention of shutting down comments.

I understand Baldy's concerns. Some of us have become almost like family, and we really don't have a playground that we all meet at otherwise. I would hate to wake up one morning and y'all were gone, especially since I don't have any way to contact the majority of the posters here that I interact with.

metal man - No problem with the drinking references. I do have problems with the FNDT though. I have to leave LGF during those - too many cravings, which I never get (all the ALL CAPS exhortations to indulge), until those.

From the New York Sun.

Korean Reds Targeting Christians

WASHINGTON - A woman in her 20s executed by a firing squad after being caught with a Bible. Five Christian church leaders punished by being run over by a steamroller before a crowd of spectators who "cried, screamed out, or fainted when the skulls made a popping sound as they were crushed."

So, who's the bigger f*ckheads -- the red Koreans or the MSM which ignores this story?

Is there any logical reason Charles would scrap LGF or close comments?

That's not a rhetorical question. I can't think of any. He's devoted countless man-hours to LGF and the comments don't require constant monitoring so long as he keeps registration closed.

#217 Baldy

So I am jumping to conclusions, yet no ads means you're right?

Yeah, I think so, especially since Charles said it won't change.

See the OSM site -it implies ads will be distributed across the range of blogs.

So what? Charles already had blogads. Seeing how he took them off here is a pretty good sign.

CAIR boycotters get ready.

Now that's just over the top.

Saddam took a beating for insulting holy men of Islam

Asked whether the shrines of the Imams Hussein and Abbas in the city had been attacked by Iraqi forces, Saddam at first pretended not to know the two holy figures of Shia Islam.

But he then said: "Who do you mean? Those manayich [buggers]?" According to the Iraqi lawyer, two of the court's clerks who had been taking notes then lunged at the former dictator and started to punch him.

Cry me a river.

#218 SwampWoman

Some of us have become almost like family,

In that case.

Hey sis, can I borrow $20?

#218 SwampWoman

Naw. And even if during the end times you can't get to LGF? You have a network of us that you do have contact info for, that have contact info for others.

It's a beautiful thang.

#191 Reaganite

So true...I was not posting here pre-9/11. Charles went to sleep on 9/10, and when he woke up, like so many of us, on 9/11, he woke up to a world that is forever changed.

Charles realized the significance, and we are all (well, almost all) the better off because of what he has done. There is just no way I can see him changing. He has stayed on course through so many events subsequent to 9/11, and I know he is going to hate this, but he really is owed our gratitude and love for creating a family here.We even have creeps, like the idiot cousins we never want to invite to dinner or any family affair, who pop in and annoy the hell of us! Uh, like the one who shall be known by this, and we all wish would disappear...

The amount of envy and snide remarks on that bitch's blog? Sad.

When you look at how diverse we lizards are..so many states and also countries...all age ranges, races and religions, etc. And lizards are the first ones there to offer help. You are a prime example, and just because we are twins, seperated by about 20 years, is no reason for me to say this! :)

218 SwampWoman

I'm so proud to be an LGF'er that anytime I have registered or made a comment on other blogs I ALWAYS refer to myself as "the LGF" Cavy ... I don't intend on leaving LGF even if (god forbid) it ever left me! IF I ever see a post from a "swamp woman" anywhere else I'll know it is you!

Gotta run ... 5am comes well at 5am ...

I have sent money a couple of times to Charles, and wished I could have sent more. Now, he (and others)has $3.5 million. If OSM and LGF are separate, and Charles "owns" this site & is a principal at OSM, then I assume he'll be "there" more now. This place will change. My fear (1 of them): Less threads, more MSM stuff, since he won't have time to get news from us (read his emails). It'll be just AP stories here. Everything will be sent to OSM & filtered through the politburo there. Somewhat worst case. Even worse, CAIR boycotts.

Islam: Vienna Conference Ends With Appeals For Understanding, Tolerance

A major international conference on Islam concluded in Vienna today with strong appeals from prominent Muslim leaders to recognize international terrorism as simply "terrorism." Political figures from Islamic countries, including the presidents of Iraq and Afghanistan, argued that it should never be labeled "Islamic" or "Muslim" terrorism because Islam is based on peace, dialogue, and tolerance.

I have a question, and if you know the answer please raise your hand.

What religion/culture is perpetrating terrorism worldwide today?

Bonz, I couldn't agree more. I think the liberals, Msm, and dhimmicrats( all the same I think) have over-played their hand. I think the American people have had enough of all this backstabing,anti-Christian, liberal bu..sh.t, and are not going to take it anymore. We will see if this is just wishfull thinking or reality.

#227 Cavy

I'm so proud to be an LGF'er that anytime I have registered or made a comment on other blogs I ALWAYS refer to myself as "the LGF" Cavy ... I don't intend on leaving LGF even if (god forbid) it ever left me! IF I ever see a post from a "swamp woman" anywhere else I'll know it is you!

Gotta run ... 5am comes well at 5am ...

The thought of getting up at 5 a.m. makes my eyeballs hurt, but I'm gonna have to somehow change my internal clock around.

Goodnight, Cavy!

213 Baldy

I wonder how many of the commenters here at LGF are the evil capitalist outside investors

I have a feeling that there would have been many who would have jumped at the chance to own a small piece of this new venture. I noticed on the OSM site, OSM Media is organized as an LLC. I wouldn't think that this would be the vehicle of choice for an organization that was looking for large numbers of outside investors, but rather one that will allow a small number of owners to maintain the focus on the immediacy of the project at hand.
OSM is not in its final form. It will change as its mission becomes more clearly focused, and all of the moving pieces are fleshed out.

#226 NY Nana

There is just no way I can see him changing.

Me neither!

and just because we are twins, seperated by about 20 years, is no reason for me to say this! :)

It's not our fault we can't grow up!

Baldy

Wait and see... you could be right or you could be wrong... time will tell, it doesn't do any good to worry before...

reaganite - Maybe the CAIR comment was over the top. Do you think if they complained to Circuit City or Radio Shack, they would listen? I do. They are considered mainstream by Fox News, which has them whenever they can. BlogAds were just that. Small outfits. Exchange-listed cos will behave differently. They will call the shots.

Judge Finds Post Reporter in Contempt

WASHINGTON - A federal judge found Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus in contempt Wednesday, saying the journalist must reveal his government sources for stories about the criminal investigation of nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee

232 cracker_jones - I would have too, but nowadays many large cos are now LLC's. $3.5 million was invested. Not large compared to NYSE (or even NASDAQ), but still a sizable amount of $.

Waaay OTStudy: Can sperm mimic embryo stem cells?

#224 Bordm

In that case.

Hey sis, can I borrow $20?

Big bro, I would loan it to you but I wasted it all on chicken wings at a place with waitresses in skimpy outfits. I know you could have made much better use of it, though. Sorry.

#235 Baldy
Relax sir. I understand your misgivings, but Charles is better than that.

Good night all.

That "article" sounds more like some idiot leftie's fantasy. I can smell their desperation from here.

I am failing to understand the anal retentiveness of the Grand Jury system. If it's politically driven like in Texas is it an impediment to Democracy? All people lie about something, if weeks of testimony expose that and there is no crime... Sooo What..

OSM is now #1 on Technorati search. Technorati

Sarah D. #229

Islam: Vienna Conference Ends With Appeals For Understanding, Tolerance

As (real) understanding increases, the tolerance can only decrease. Wonder if that's what they have in mind?

what'd I miss?

#239 SwampWoman

I wasted it all on chicken wings at a place with waitresses in skimpy outfits.

It’s alright, I’m just happy SwampMan finally convinced you to go out to a high class restaurant for a change.

Cracker Jones
"OSM is not in its final form. It will change as its mission becomes more clearly focused, and all of the moving pieces are fleshed out. "
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EERLY...I've heard that line...almost EXACTLY...before.
For a while, I was content...then, a reality check opened my eyes!
Not a good situation...

Blogads is a competitor (of sorts) to OSM, so that's why the ads aren't here anymore.

(And though the T-shirt gals were nice, I certainly don't miss Mr. Floor Humper...)

Want to complain about the state of our health care system?

Ants eat away woman's eye in hospital

KOLKATA, India (Reuters) - A woman receiving treatment for diabetes at a state-run hospital in eastern India lost one of her eyes after ants nibbled away at it, officials said on Tuesday.

Scampering rats and stray cats and dogs sharing bed space with patients are not uncommon sights at India's overcrowded state-run hospitals that are used by millions of poor and middle-class people.

Baldy:

Would you go back to bed for an hour or two, get up and start over? Puhleeeze! Lighten up! We'll cross the bridge of LGF changing when we come to it. Meanwhile, there's a war to fight.

Anyone know what's happening in Fwance? Anyone check 'No Pasaran!' in the last hour or two. Must have barbied a few cars last night, surely. Mid-week blues and all? I'd have torched a couple myself if I could've gotten up the apathy to go outside! :(

#247 Reb
I don't know what you mean. Please explain.

OSM is accused of Trademark Infringement (Another OSM) Notice they're a Corp, not a LLC, like this OSM is. Otherwise same name.

Open Source (sm) is a production of Open Source Media, Inc. Contents (c) 2005 Open Source Media, Inc.

*Yawn*

Goodnight, y'all.

First worry I had with the talk of $3.5 Million was the lawsuits.

#246 Bordm

It’s alright, I’m just happy SwampMan finally convinced you to go out to a high class restaurant for a change.

I thought they had opened a week before and went walking in, assuming they were open. A girl came walking up with an application in her hand for me, asking if I had come for a job.

All I can say is the labor market must be a lot tighter than I thought.

Iran starts converting new uranium batch: diplomat

VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran has begun processing a new batch of uranium despite Western pressure on it to halt sensitive atomic work, possibly harming attempts to defuse a standoff over its nuclear aims, a diplomat said on Wednesday.

No shit. That guy is brilliant, give him a raise!

#233 Reaganite

Whenever I look in our LGF's, I can't stop laughing. I didn't notice what you had written until a few months ago...

G'nite! Sweet dreams.

250 Foreign devil - You are one, aren't you? :) We'll see. I hope I'm wrong. My greatest fear is Charles will spend his time doing OSM stuff, and we'll get 1500-post threads. I hope he makes a ton of money, he deserves it, I just don't want this site to become less than it is. I consider it very important. I used to post alot of good news stories, but now the threads are so long, they get lost. I don't do it as often as I used to.

#255 SwampWoman

Take the job! You can use the extra money to pay your Krispy Kreme account.

foreign devil,

It's very quiet on that front.

Here's a Guardian article about it.

#252 Baldy
Omigosh...
It sounds like an incredible snafu.
An expensive one at that.

Have y'all seen this?
November 16, 2005 Text of Remarks By Vice President Dick Cheney (As prepared for delivery)

#259 Bordm

I agree. Take the job. The wings are overrated though, I think. They could make a bundle opening up earlier and selling breakfast tacos, though.

#259 Bordm

Take the job! You can use the extra money to pay your Krispy Kreme account.

Good point.

Can someone help me out with the OSM site? How does one get to the forums? The discussion? I clicked around and got too frustrated...Thank you.

261 cracker_jones - There was a Citizens Bank in PA. THEN, the Royal Bank of Scotland had a new Citizens Bank move in. They kept the name, but paid the little guys, IIRC. The name is so generic (OSM), maybe it won't matter. I hope the lawyers knew about it & prepared.

You go Mom!

EDMOND, Okla. - Tasha Henderson got tired of her 14-year-old daughter's poor grades, her chronic lateness to class and her talking back to her teachers, so she decided to teach the girl a lesson.

She made Coretha stand at a busy Oklahoma City intersection Nov. 4 with a cardboard sign that read: "I don't do my homework and I act up in school, so my parents are preparing me for my future. Will work for food."

I love it!

265 carefulnow _ I don't think they have one. It maybe just a portal (more like Drudge, in my mind).

#262 J.D.

I rarely go to the seattle times but if you like the VP speech, you'll love this cartoon.

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

#267 Sarah D.

That mom is right. You can't show up to work late, do a half-assed job, and talk back to your manager and expect to stay employed. Welcome to the real world, kid. Take the lession and learn from it.

#267 Sarah D

EDMOND, Okla. - Tasha Henderson got tired of her 14-year-old daughter's poor grades, her chronic lateness to class and her talking back to her teachers, so she decided to teach the girl a lesson.

She made Coretha stand at a busy Oklahoma City intersection Nov. 4 with a cardboard sign that read: "I don't do my homework and I act up in school, so my parents are preparing me for my future. Will work for food."

I love it!

ROFL! Good one! I never thought of doing that to my son...when he was skipping school, though, I told him that the next instance, I was going to attend all his classes with him, walk him from class to class holding his hand, and be dressed in my rattiest bathrobe, bunny slippers, and big ol' curlers.

He never skipped another class.

#264 SwampWoman

See, big brothers can be good for something other than scaring off potential boyfriends.

#249 Sarah D.

A woman in a nursing home, Florida, fire ants. That's all I'm going to say about that. I'm sure you can imagine how quickly it could happen, and it did. Different situation in that no cries were ignored.

Your larger point about health care, I agree. Ignoring patients is easy when you only have to answer to a bureaucrat who's trying to cut costs. Lawyers add to health care costs, file frivolous or fraudulent suits sometimes, and leech off the system in many cases, but they also keep doctors on their toes. Complaining to a bureaucrat who mainly wants to protect the other bureaucrat is a crappy way to run health care.

#272 Bordm

See, big brothers can be good for something other than scaring off potential boyfriends.

You mean it's YOUR fault that SwampMan is the only man in my life?

/Gawd. Brothers!

#252 Baldy

OSM is accused of Trademark Infringement (Another OSM) Notice they're a Corp, not a LLC, like this OSM is. Otherwise same name.

Open Source (sm) is a production of Open Source Media, Inc. Contents (c) 2005 Open Source Media, Inc.

I'm assuming that they have lawyers who know what they are doing and have thought this through and done trademark search due dilligence. We're talking lawyer 101 and they can afford really good specialist lawyers.

If they actually [expletive deleted] this up and missed it, its a MAJOR legal faux pas and one or more lawyers are guilty of malpractice.

/I've got to believe they're collectively smarter than that and, although possibly close, this isn't trademark infringement

Baldy, if everything you fear comes true, so what? I hope we all had fulfilling lives before LGF, I know I did, just as I know I'll have a great life after it's gone.
I'm sure in ten years the time spent chatting with the great Lizards here will start to become a distant memory, just as the time I spent with good friend ten years ago. Just the way live is, be happy in the moment.

#270 Portolan
#271 SwampWoman

Did you all catch the moonbat outcry?

"The parents of that girl need more education than she does if they can't see that the worst scenario in this case is to kill their daughter psychologically," Suzanne Ball said in a letter to The Oklahoman.

Donald Wertlieb, a professor of child development at the Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Development at Tufts University, warned that such punishment could do extreme emotional damage. He said rewarding positive behavior is more effective.

"The trick is to catch them being good," he said. "It sounds like this mother has not had a chance to catch her child being good or is so upset over seeing her be bad, that's where the focus is."

Uh hunh.

#271 SwampWoman

ROTFLMAO, picturing SwampWoman

walk him from class to class holding his hand, and be dressed in my rattiest bathrobe, bunny slippers, and big ol' curlers.

Too funny! You forgot the green mud facial mask.

#269 Scotch
That's pretty good!
/still chuckling

One last comment before I sign off - I noticed it was hard to find info on LGF on OSM. It seemed it wasn't highlighted as prominently as some others. I hope it's just a fluke, that I didn't search enough... Take care everyone. I'll try to keep an open mind.

#273 Beagle

Oh yes, I know. Especially in terminal cases where there is gangrene present. There is no way to keep the maggots critters out/off.

But, in the vast majority of cases here there is a concerted effort on behalf of the patient. The same cannot be said for apathetic state run and funded entities.

Keep the government out of health care. Hell, look what they've done to education!

#277 Sarah D.

Donald Wertlieb, a professor of child development at the Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Development at Tufts University, warned that such punishment could do extreme emotional damage. He said rewarding positive behavior is more effective.

As opposed to the very real, non-theoretical, damage flunking out of school WILL do to her entire life (unless she lucks out)? I'll take my chances, doc.

It's become a strange world. If the 'expert' says it, I reflexively disagree. These are the same people who tell us to avoid competition, scrap grades, and produce little prima donnas who can't deal with the real world for the rest of their lives.

#274 SwampWoman

You mean it's YOUR fault that SwampMan is the only man in my life?

Well you gotta admit, if you can only have one, he's the one to have. :-)

#277 Sarah D.

"Donald Wertlieb, a professor of child development at the Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Development at Tufts University, warned that such punishment could do extreme emotional damage. He said rewarding positive behavior is more effective."

Okay, so you don't go to school, and when you do, you're late, don't do anything, and sas your teachers. But you brushed your teeth this morning! Hoooray for you! Ok, now go on and really try to go to school today. And if you don't, well, I guess that's fine; you didn't comit any major felonies today.

#282 Beagle
#277 Sarah D.

Wanna bet the "expert" doesn't even have a kid, let alone a teenager about to be on her own in a few years.

#283 Bordm

Well you gotta admit, if you can only have one, he's the one to have. :-)

You got that right!

/Of course I might just be sayin' that 'cause Mr. Swampman blushed so red when I smootched him on the cheek I could see it through his whiskers!

#283 Bordm

Well you gotta admit, if you can only have one, he's the one to have. :-)

Yup. You're such a good brother.

Sarah
Didn't Dr. Spock come out & admit that his methods were wrong?

And now for something completely different, google this -- PT-141.

Goood night!

#282 Beagle

The kiddo had no idea what an A or an F was until I put her in private school. It was "do the best you can".

Useless.