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Breaking: Zarqawi Killed?

Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 9:15:34 am PST

Report: al-Zarqawi killed by explosions in Mosul. (Hat tip: Carl.)

At least one Arab television media outlet reported that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq, was killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred after coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding.

UPDATE at 11/20/05 2:15:42 pm:

The Associated Press has the story, about 4 hours after LGF: Al-Zarqawi May Be Among Dead in Iraq Fight.

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1 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:16:01am

This will by my happiest first ever if it's true and I'm first.

2 tats66  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:17:11am

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

3 Belize042  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:17:30am

Ding, dong, the @#$%^&** is dead! I know, the 72-hour rule applies, but I'm hoping for confirmation sooner than that.

Will the eulogy be given by George Galloway?

Will the Dems insist this means we must pull out sooner?

4 Protagonist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:17:31am

If true, it looks like LGF got it before Fox News. Congrats!

5 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:17:43am

This could be a tipping point.

6 Rich Byrd  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:17:44am

Let's wait to cheer. These reports usually turn out to be untrue. But if it is...... Yippee!

7 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:18:14am

I for one, am going to think happy thoughts until evidence indicates otherwise.

8 Semper Fi  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:18:42am

Hopefully, it's the end of his murdering trail.

9 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:19:35am

YES! I hope it's true.

If so, poor Kurt vonnegut. He will be broken hearted, no doubt. *sniff*

10 Kathianne  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:19:44am

I am SO hoping! Thank you for making my day!

11 Isaac Schrödinger  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:20:47am

Enjoy the 72 raisins in the inferno!

12 Colin Nelson  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:20:55am

Lets see the body and then .. finish the job!

cn

13 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:20:57am

Please let this be true!

Anyway, Zarqawi is toast. I don't see how he could survive from the backlash after his Jordan "mistake".
Al-Zarqawi's Jordan family renounces him

14 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:21:21am

The only way to lose this war is to take the U.S. military out of the equation. We have the most professional, disciplined, and motivated military in world history. Let them do their job the way they do it.

15 jwm  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:21:26am

He got surrounded, went boom. Oh I do sooooo hope.

JWM

16 Semper Fi  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:21:35am

I think they're still looking for his head.

17 Protagonist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:22:02am

BWT, is it just me, or did Zarqawi always look a little like Fredo Corleone?

18 Black George Bush  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:22:33am

This may turn out to be the best sunday since that sunday the caught Sadam

19 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:22:47am

Why isn't this on OSM.org yet?

20 ajackson  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:22:52am

New Iraqi National Holiday?

21 Northpaw  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:24:14am

Oh please let this one be true!

22 tats66  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:24:16am

This is as good as news as Bin Ladin gettin it.......PLEASE be true!

23 Skunk Queen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:24:29am

I hope to God that this is true. That will make this the best Thanksgiving ever!
I will drink a toast to that murderous barbarian burning in hell for all eternity! And another toast (or two or three) to our wonderful soldiers who are kicking ass over in Iraq and Afghanistan!

24 zulubaby  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:24:56am

According to the story, he killed himself or was killed by his about-to-become suicide bomber buddies? Am I understanding this correctly? I want to see his head.

25 generaltso  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:25:32am

It's Bush's fault. Wait, I mean, he had nothing to do with it.

26 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:26:09am

48 HOUR RULE MY FRIENDS

Or is it the 24 hour rule? whatever.

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasebetrue

27 mbruce  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:27:26am

Wrap the head in pigskin and put it om a pike at the Syrian border would be my vote.

28 mcrognale  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:27:31am

One can only hope. I wonder if there is a connection between the reported death and the denouncement by his family. If they knew that he was already dead then they had little to fear from issuing the "fatwah" against him. He was not the type to let family ties hinder his murderous designs. I'll hold the happiness til his remains are positively identified.
Mike

29 westoner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:29:02am

Tragic news for Colonel Michael Moore and his merry minutemen if true.

30 Cognito Primoris  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:29:25am

Those who live by the bomb, die by the bomb.

This always brings a smile to my face!

31 tats66  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:29:49am

I think the military will wait till they actually have his pea sized nuts in a jar before they confirm his demise......

32 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:30:18am

tats

This is as good as news as Bin Ladin gettin it.......PLEASE be true!

BETTER than Bin Laden. He's been far more visible, active, and brazen than the tall guy, who has been MIA for what, a year now?

BTW, no US outlets reporting this so Im getting more skeptical by the minute. Isnt this the 20th report of Zarqawis death?

Plus the J Post was wrong about Zawahiri when it was claimed Pakistan had him "surrounded".

Again, 48 hours.

33 NonNativeTexan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:31:40am

If it is true, the Dems will take about
3 seconds to say, "What about Bin Laden?"

34 pickles  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:31:59am

Most of the time these reports turn out to be bogus. IT also could be a cover so he can try and get his rear end out of the country etc.

I'll believe it when they have his head and show us it's he.

35 BringMeTuri  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:32:00am

#31 -
so much for my bowl of split-pea soup this morning...
thanks.

36 zulubaby  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:32:38am
I wonder if there is a connection between the reported death and the denouncement by his family. If they knew that he was already dead then they had little to fear from issuing the "fatwah" against him.

Very good point.

37 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:34:28am

Now this would be nice...

Zarqawi, my friend, is blowing in the wind,
Zarqawi is blowing
in the wind

We will see..

38 gaby  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:35:06am

sounds too good to be true, but who knows...
Perhaps his Jordanian escapade made some people he trusted betray him...

39 Ann  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:36:09am

Do you think the "failed" Jordanian bomber gave up the location in Mosul? Maybe she's on her way to live a happy life in Dearborn under the Witness Protection Program -:)

40 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:36:32am

Fake reporting of his death would, of course, cause him to come out of his hole temporarily to prove his existence....

41 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:37:03am

Again? I hope this time it's true.

42 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:37:32am

If it's true, he took that coward's way out just like Hitler. The difference is that he didn't incenerate the remains beyond recognition. Let's wait 48 hours; they should have a recognizable chunk before then.

43 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:38:03am

Ann

Do you think the "failed" Jordanian bomber gave up the location in Mosul? Maybe she's on her way to live a happy life in Dearborn under the Witness Protection Program -:)

Of course, the Jordanian interrogators wouldn't have any fear of Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi sniping at them for "harsh questioning".......

44 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:38:34am

#25 generaltso

It's Bush's fault.

You won't hear that from the LLLs this time...

45 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:38:58am

From your lips to G*d's ears, Charles. I hope so. It's not for lack of trying. The scuzzy b*st*ard!

46 bolivar  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:39:17am

I am very hopeful - not too sure of this wonderful (if true) news. Can we actually be this fortunate? Bush will one happy mutha if it is so but, you know he will barely acknowledge it - it is just another speed bump in the road and now a rather squishy one.

/hoorah!

Saw Jarhead this weekend - what a disappointment to see this s$(^. I was really hoping for something better than this crap. No wonder Bollywood is losing their shirts when they foist crap like this on the PAYING public.

47 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:11am

This is a tipping point until the Democrats decide that it isn't sufficient. Or, they'll now turn around and claim that our job is done and we need to come home to save our troops.

If this report is confirmed, it's a substantial victory, though as we've already seen elsewhere - the killing or capture of high level terrorists doesn't necessarily translate into lessened terrorist attacks. We have to press the advantage while we can.

48 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:26am

zulubaby

I want to see his head.

So do I.

49 Laurence Simon  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:34am

Well, that's one way to prevent the torture of detainees...

I wholeheartedly approve.

50 Mardukhai  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:39am

Please, dear lord, let it be true!

Probably isn't, though...

51 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:45am

Lets see him on the slab like Uday and Qusay.

My prediction: it was an inside job, ordered by Zawahiri.

52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:40:53am

Hell, even if he was dead, his buddies would quickly slap together some old video to "prove" that he's still alive. I mean, it's been working for Bin Ladin for years.

53 mauk2  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:41:08am

Regardless whether Zarqawi is dead or alive, this story still reflects on the prowess of our military.

There's an old saying, "First hit counts twice."

These "insurgents" start every fight from ambush. They by definition get tthe first hit, and the hardest hit, as IED's are HUGE explosions. Yet even with that advantage, our soldiers suffer one casualty, and inflict 8 killed and one wounded upon an enemy who hides among civilians.

A nine to 1 casualty rate in an urban warfare insurgency?

That's unbelieveably capable, and should give our enemies pause. America could conquer the world without half trying.

Honestly, we simply don't want it.

54 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:41:10am

I gotta go with the whatevertimeperiod invokers on this one. I'm not very impressed by one Arab TV station.

55 be the meat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:41:15am

... bin Laden will be happy. Zark was giving Qaeda a bad name.

56 jester6  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:41:21am

#30 Cognito

Very funny link.

57 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:42:26am

Wow, we were talking about him in the wee hours of the morning here in LGF and some were saying that this guy wouldn't live another 60 days.

Maybe Zarqawi was already dead as we spoke.

I hope so!

58 dataman0  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:42:41am

I recall on last week's meet the Press with the King of Jordan that he said they would do and go wherever they need to to get the perps behind the bombing, including going across borders. If this is true then it appears the justice may have been meted out very swiftly. One can only hope that this is true.

59 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:43:18am

This must have been when three of the terrorists put on their bomb belts and exploded themselves. In which case it'll be DNA from his relatives that will identify him. We've had a couple of reports of his demise before...one from the Chinese network and one from an Arab network. JPost says this tip came from an Arab network so I think we'll have to take it with some caution. That said:HALLELULJAH!

60 Beto Ochoa  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:43:37am

Perhaps his own family dropped a dime on him.
Al-Zarqawi's Jordan Family Renounces Him

61 Ben F  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:43:53am

Listening to Wolf B. interviewing CIA-types on Late Edition, waiting for the news break.

LGF scoops CNN? Kewl.

62 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:44:39am

I remind you, though, gone though he may be, there were still explosions in Baghdad today.

63 Abu Maven  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:44:51am

Debka seems a tad skeptica:

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Eight high-ranking al Qaeda leaders blew themselves up after a large American force Sunday noon laid siege to a building in which they were barricaded in Mosul, northern Iraq. November 20, 2005, 5:19 PM (GMT+02:00) The US force, backed by helicopters and tanks, was led to the location by an intelligence tip. The troops had evacuated the area and were preparing to storm the building when the terrorists killed themselves. Some Arab sources report that the American unit is busy trying to identify the 8 bodies, hoping against hope that Abu Musab al Zarqawi is among them. This is not confirmed by US military sources.

Debka

64 Steffan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:45:01am

Heh. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.

We can only live in hope.

:)

65 Ann  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:45:17am

#43 TMF

Of course, the Jordanian interrogators wouldn't have any fear of Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi sniping at them for "harsh questioning".......

Ok, let me see... if we did get Zarqawi from her information, it will be bad because we got the information from the Jordanians who violated her human rights, and so it's still wrong of BusHaliburtonCheney, Inc.

Will that work?

66 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:46:06am

#53 mauk2

That's unbelieveably capable, and should give our enemies pause. America could conquer the world without half trying.


Let's not get too full of ourselves. You're absolutely right about our military showing incredible prowess, but the world is a big place with many nuclear powers, too many.

At some point 'deterrence' becomes waiting for someone to twitch like the gunfights in the Old West.

67 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:46:21am

Well at least he went out with a bang.

68 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:46:36am

Show me the body!

69 windbrother  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:46:55am

Conquer? I don't know about that. We only have so many well-trained combat divisions, and while we might be able to methodically destroy the military capabilities and a large percentage of critical infrastructure in a great many target countries with air and ground forces, we couldn't HOLD any of it. So "conquer" is a very inaccurate description of it.

Hell, we're not even *trying* to "conquer" Iraq, and look how much trouble that's giving us, and there's only 20 million of them. Do you really think we could do more?

We would have to get troops from somewhere -- foreign legion type of affair, with the establishment of a "proconsul" class (which usually leads to a satrapy, but this is beside the point). If we do not have the direction from the type to be an empire, we will not ever even contemplate moving in that direction .

The few big things we have "conquered" (e.g. Cuba, Phillipines, Japan, Germany, the like) we gave back because we got tired of keeping them. Granted we still have Guam, but that's not very big.

70 RepJ  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:47:13am

Where do we take the pig entrails?

71 gymnast  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:47:20am

A couple od days ago I suggested that Zarqawis ass was against the wall, but the it was unknown it the wall was in Syria or Iraq. If it was Iraq, the proof will be found in the DNA in the jam jar.

72 jester6  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:49:55am

Even if he is dead, it makes little difference. The left will change subjects. The Arabs will blame the Jews. The war will go on. The only way to beat them is to crush them.

FDR understood this in WWII when he declared he would accept nothing more then total victory. Reagan understood it when he called the USSR the Evil Empire. We have not even gotten around to really naming our enemy and it's allies in this one.

73 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:49:58am

G-d, please let this be true.

74 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:50:22am

Does this mean the end of the Iowahawk reports from the field?

75 zulubaby  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:50:29am
America could conquer the world without half trying.

What's the hold up? ;-)

76 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:50:31am

#31 tats66

I think the military will wait till they actually have his pea sized nuts in a jar before they confirm his demise......

So, is this where peanuts come from?

77 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:50:55am

I simply cannot believe what I'm hearing on the Sunday morning shows. I sent Blitzer a blistering email about ragging on Rumsfeld. With a 403-3 vote I cannot believe the whole "bring the troops home" rant it STILL going on!

78 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:51:05am

#65 Ann

Yeah, sounds about right.

If the story is true, and the intel did come from the lady-bomber, expect a Bob Simon 60 minutes special on "Our Allies in Torture- the Jordanians- Is it worth It?" followed up with a report on all the schools built by Bin Laden in Pakistan......

79 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:52:33am

Reminds me of the scene from Young Guns II after Billy and his gang ambushed a group of bounty hunters in a canyon...

Billy the Kid: "So do we give them a proper burial?"

Pat Garrett: "Sure."

/Kicks dirt over the bounty hunters bodies while firing his gun in the air.

80 ProUSA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:52:50am

Let's hope it wasn't 8 sacrificial splodydopes allowing Zarqawi to fake death or otherwise escape. I am hoping he just joined Osama Bin Lately in Hell.

If he is dead, I am hoping there is no other murderous barbarian psycho bastard who will fill his shoes. That SOB has senselessly killed so many people for a losing (evil)cause. If he is dead, he is one deadender whose time has certainly come.

Thanksgiving is outside the 72 hour rule -- so it may be a very thankful day. I think the rule is 72 hours -- one for every rotten raisin waiting for each waste of DNA terrorist.

81 wingfam mom  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:53:03am

please God.

82 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:53:51am

30 CP

An oldie but a goodie! Thanks for digging that one up - I'm saving it this time.

83 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:53:52am

78 TMF

followed up with a report on all the schools built by Bin Laden in Pakistan......

According to Senator Patty Murray (Idjit - WA), he also built hospitals and day care centers. Day care centers! For all those working muslim moms.....

84 gymnast  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:54:10am

#69, windbrother. You seem to be a strategy expert or something. Perhaps you could provide a more in depth view of the foundations for your thinking?

85 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:54:26am

#72 jester6

We have not even gotten around to really naming our enemy and it's allies in this one.

Bush has started introducing the phrase 'islamofascists' recently. Too little, too late, but still...

86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:54:51am

#77 foreign devil

Because, as far as the Dems are concerned, it wasn't "their" bill. They're characterizing it as a "cheap, political trick" which doesn't mean a thing except that the Republicans simply couldn't "handle the truth."

87 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:55:12am

If true, agreed that it wont end the insurgency.

However, who besides Zarqawi has stepped up to the plate as a well recognized AQ leader? Can anyone name anybody?

No one.

Much like there arent any major Hamas or Islamic Jihad figures anymore- since Israel started firing missles up their asses.

THerefore, it would be a huge symbolic victory and take quite a bit of wind out of the AQ sails.

88 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:55:36am

#74

Have no fear, Iowahawk will find a new field reporter - al Zawahiri is a good candidate.

89 paco833  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:56:31am

From your blog to the ears of Allah...lets hope for the best ... and if they find him and bury the body...dig him up and kill him again.

90 Dave the.....  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:56:51am

Related (more or less)...

Stopped for a $3.58 cup of coffee yesterday and they had the local daily newspaper on the counter. I skimmed through it while waiting for my order.

They had a huge editorial on Murtha, even put the headine for it in bolder type then usual and shaded the entire column. They wanted to make sure everyone saw it.

I read the anti-Bush hatred, but didn't see any reference to Congressman Johnson (I think that's his name) from Texas. The man who spent 7 years in a North Vietnam POW camp and spoke out in favor of the President and against Murtha the day before.

If I didn't know better, I'd think MSM has an agenda. (sarc)

91 Ann  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:57:11am

#78 TMF

"Our Allies in Torture- the Jordanians- Is it worth It?"

Wolf Blitzer will then host "Is There Hope for the Minutemen Jihadis in Iraq?"

92 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:57:41am

Kurt Vonnegut must be really, really upset over this development, if true....

No, wait, maybe he's happy.... I guess it really depends on whether or not Zarqawi took out any innocents when he blew up...

93 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:58:04am

63 Abu Maven

Then again, Debka has been reporting OBL killed every six months or so.

94 Frank_Mtl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:58:45am

Hoping it is true and crossing my fingers.

95 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:00:34am
The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred after coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding.

#24 zulubaby

According to the story, he killed himself or was killed by his about-to-become suicide bomber buddies? Am I understanding this correctly? I want to see his head.

On the end of a pole.

96 yesandno  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:00:49am

Please, please be true.......

Now for the pigskin shroud!
(the Shroud of Vermin)

97 tats66  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:02:06am

Pacifists Int'l will file suit if they actually show his body......

98 Roland O'Gilead  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:02:10am

I am really happy to hear of his purported demise but methinks that having Zarqawi around a little longer would be of benefit. At the rate that he is screwing up the successful application of guerilla tactics (i.e. don't alienate the population you are hiding in!) he is probably more damaging to the terrorists while he is alive and in control.

That being said if he is dead then they will probably replace him with someone even more incompetent.

99 Ben F  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:02:26am

Nothing on the 1 PM EST CNN news break

100 herrscher  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:02:33am

If true; then, Everyone Sing!

So long sad times!,
Go 'long bad times!,
We are rid of you at last
Howdy, gay times!
Cloudy gray times,
You are now a thing
Of the past, cause:

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
Let us sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
Altogether shout it now!
There's no one who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again
Your cares and troubles are gone;
There'll be no more from now on
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
Let us sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

101 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:04:15am

Zarqawi killed?

Was this part of Bush's non-exsitent war plan?

102 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:05:27am

According to yesterday's AP story on the raid (which obviously doesn't mention Zarqawi) this was a joint operation by Iraqi police and U.S. soldiers against a farmhouse in the al-Sukar neighborhood of Mosul. Twelve reported fatalilties, including four Iraqi police officers, three suicide bombers, and five other jihadis. One of the dead jihadis was reportedly a woman.

103 Eagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:05:31am

OK, party time is over.

Everyone out of the pool and back to the Intelligent Design thread.

#17 Protagonist
LOL

104 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:05:45am

Still completely MIA in US media. Another fizzle?

105 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:06:01am

... still nothing from the lamestream media ...

Well, lizards, I gotta run for now. Catch you soon.

106 tats66  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:06:12am

Whats truly sad is that I am sure some staff member(s) of our illustrious democratic party who is tasked with monitoring our little blog here has reported this to his masters and they are actually PRAYING, crossing their fingers, and rubbing Buddah's belly in the hopes that it isnt true.........

107 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:06:26am

Prepare for disappointment. Google "Zarqawi dead". There have been many reports like this before.

108 Joel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:06:36am

We have had our hopes raised far too often to not wait for official and confirmation.

109 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:06:43am

# 74 E2M

Crap ! I hadn't even thought of that. A heavy price, but one we'll have to bear sooner or later.

110 be the meat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:07:13am

#30

"But instead, I am fed the boiling feces of traitors by malicious, laughing Ifrit (?). Is this to be my reward for destroying the enemies of my faith?"

111 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:07:43am

I can't wait for the reaction (and angry denials) of the jihadis and their crocodile-feeding supporters on the Left when they're told Zarqawi took the coward's way out.

112 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:08:11am

I won't believe it until there'sa body...but in any event.....w00t!

113 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:08:40am

Anticipated DUmb/KoS response anyone?

"Yeah, so?"

"When will the REAL terrorists be killed?"

"Damn, I was hoping hed stay alive to bring down chimpys poll numbers a little more"

"You know, he seemed like a pretty decent guy"

114 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:09:42am

#101 DesertSage

LOL!

Our little troll "Snoper" on the other thread must be in mourning over this announcement.

115 be the meat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:09:55am

Yes. Boiling feces, while hot is actually delicious.

116 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:10:34am

#113 TMF

You forgot one:

Lies, lies, lies! Repuke propaganda!

117 Shredstar  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:10:46am

If Zarqawi is among the dead, we would expect to find some dead goats among the carnage too.
One of the dead jihadis was reportedly a woman.

118 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:11:58am

# 103 Eagle

Oh God (so to speak), not another one !

119 RadicalRon  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:12:59am

Won't he be surprised and very disappointed to find out that the 72 virgins are all clones of Rosie O'Lardass, Butch Reno & Barney Frank?!?

Let's hope that the body is given the dignity and respect it deserves: Bury the son of a bitch wrapped in the skin of a pig, with his dick in his mouth. Allah akbar, indeed!

120 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:13:46am

#114 rightymouse

Hopefully, little scoper is reading some military history books right about now, like you told him to do.

He hasn't come back to the other thread yet...

121 johnCV  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:15:17am

Isn't that conveeeeenient.

Zarqaqi has been dis-owned by his family (with a reported hit out on him), Jordanians and other arabs are righteously pissed off at him, and mostIraqis hate him because he's been killing them like there it's open season. I suspect he just blew up a handful of future idiot splodedupes as a way to 'diassapear'.

It would be wonderful if true (insert obligatory ulululuululu here), but I reserve my belief until I see the shredded, rotting corpse. And DNA proof

122 taterhead  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:15:52am

I want to see a body. I want a dead mug shot like Hussein's sons.
This is probably a ploy concocted by the devil himself to take the crosshairs of the muslim world off his own behind.

123 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:16:17am

I am reminded of John Belushi's line in 1941:

Death to fag insurgents!

Or something like that.

124 ferris  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:16:50am

Like everyone else I am cautious about this news but keeping my fingers crossed.

I am sure the anti-American 'reporters' around the world (starting with CBS, CNN and the NY Times) are working feaverishly to turn this happy occassion into a chance to spin it in to a defeat for this country and the decent people of Iraq.

Imagine the stories after the first bombing following Zarq's death:

"A sucicide bomber in Iraq killed x people today. Experts say this proves the recent death of Zarqawi has not slowed the heroic resistance of Iraq's insurgents to the American occupation.

In other news, Democrats in Washington called for an immediate withdrawal of US troops but then voted against it in what they called, 'a courageous act of leadership'."

Somethings will never change: the idiocy of the left and the courage of America's troops are just two of them.

125 bweep  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:17:44am

If it's true, it comes on the heels of the wedding bombings in Jordan. Goes to show how the arabs can find these people soon enough when it's them in the firing line.

126 Luigi  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:18:36am

If its true it will be a real coup for the blogosphere. Googlenews reveals nobody's touching the report yet. I suspect the media is hoping it is false. They're probably already spinning phrases for his idealist-gone-bad eulogy.

This would be a particularly good time for him to die right on the heels of his Jordan blunder. His own family in Jordan is denouncing him.

127 Mardukhai  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:18:37am

This is a hoot!

(Jerusalem Post's Dry Bones on Disney's huge investment in Israeli high tech. My wife wondered what I was laughing out loud about.)

128 MeanMrMustard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:18:53am

I hope this turns out to be true.

129 Dan Patterson  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:18:59am

BLAMO!

I hope it rained pieces of his tick-ridden carcass for an hour. Goat-fuc*&ing piece of shi%.

What will CAIR and the rest of the apologists do with that piece of news? Will we see Clinton II with a congratulatory statement to the coalition forces responsible? Another Cronkite-like mumble about the war being 'un-winable'?

More power to the people making liberty available to an oppressed society. Congratulations to all who serve and my eternal thanks.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel
The Holy City of Winston-Salem

130 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:19:14am

#120 DesertSage

I hope so. But these types usually stick their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalala! Do not want anything to interfere with my BDS!"

131 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:20:08am

The Jawa Report blog is following the story as well:
Eight High Ranking al Qaida Blew Themselves Up

132 taterhead  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:20:28am
wonder if there is a connection between the reported death and the denouncement by his family. If they knew that he was already dead then they had little to fear from issuing the "fatwah" against him.


Ahhh....the family takes care of their own....*mafia boss voice*

133 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:20:43am

Sounds like the waste of a good bounty, but we'll take it, and bury the remains for free in a ton of rotting pigs heads.

134 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:22:41am

Nothing at Drudge, CNN or FOX yet.

135 alwyr  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:23:16am

A little irony: EARLY this a.m. (Chicago time)I was having breakfast out with my wife and the topic of Zarqawi arose.

I predicted it was inevitable that he was going to be caught, "eventually". I also predicted he'd surrender after being surrounded - the way all these asshat Arab "leaders" do because they're basically cowards who send other peons to blow themselves up. (My 3rd prediction was he would surrender along with his laptop computer).

IF this item is true (and let's keep in mind "if something seems to good to be true...etc), then I'm going to spread the thory Zarqawi wanted to surrender but some other fanatic(s)in the house "pulled the plug" on all of them.......

Who knows? Maybe they'll find his laptop in the ruins. That way I'd be right in 2/3 of my "predictions" :-))))

136 Beto Ochoa  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:23:18am

Luca Brasi may sleep with the fishes but Al-Zarqawi sleeps with the goats.

137 lockednloaded  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:23:38am

couldnt have happened to a nicer guy

138 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:25:10am

If this turns out to be true, the drinking lamp will stay lit for a long time...I'm off from work this week.

139 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:25:13am

The source is an Arab TV station and unconfirmed. I will take this with a hefty block of salt.

140 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:27:06am

#138 flipflop

If this turns out to be true, the drinking lamp will stay lit for a long time...I'm off from work this week.

If it's true, it'll prompt the Drinking Thread to end all drinking threads!

:^D

141 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:27:24am

#136 Beto Ochoa

It's a Sicilian message.

142 thscott  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:27:31am

since this is through the jpost, it will be considered a zionist plot, nothing more.

143 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:27:32am

And I got a hat tip out of this! Haven't had one in months! Thanks Charles!

Hope it's true.... But if it is, the way to defeat a group like al-Qaida is to continuously kill the next level of leadership. That's what Israel did with Hamas. Terrorists are like worms - when you chop their heads off, another one grows.

144 ch3cooh  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:27:33am

Feel almost the way I did the morning that Saddam's capture broke. Woke up, and before settling on the couch for a day of football, checked the news. Just casually scanning read "Hussein Captured," kept reading and then went, "wait, WHAT?!?!"

The difference is I'm more guarded today waiting for confirmation and I'm going to the Bronco's game instead of watching them on the tube.

please let it be true

145 kay1212  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:28:13am

I was in Turkey in Sept. of this year although it was only the tourist port of Kusadasi. All the store owners spoke perfect English. I happened to mention that we had been a bit worried due to the bus blown up there a little over a month prior. The businessman said, "No, no bus was blown up." I said, "It wasn't a tourist bus but a Turkish bus with some foreigners on it." The businessman said, "No, this did not happen." I said, "July 13, 2005, killed 13 Brits." The businessman said, "Oh, we took care of that."

So possibly, Zarqawi crossed a line and when finally hit in the pocketbook, other Muslims ratted him out. If his death has been exaggerated, I feel he might not be around long enough for his avocadoes to ripen.

146 shimra  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:29:12am

another one bites the dust, and another one down and another one down

/channeling Queen

147 Jimmah  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:29:18am

Die, fucker, die.

148 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:30:52am

Has Jerusalem Post taken down the link to their own article? The article is still there, but there are no links to it that I can find on their main page, or the Middle East page.

149 The False God  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:31:20am

Folks, this may prove to be the first justifiable suicide bombing in world history.

It doesn't seem to have claimed more than the splodeydopes involved, and may have dealt a death blow to the foreign insurgency in Iraq.

If true, alcohol and pork rinds for all!

150 aaron  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:31:43am
#136 Beto Ochoa

Luca Brasi may sleep with the fishes but Al-Zarqawi sleeps with the goats

He should be the ewe for 72 billies.

151 Beto Ochoa  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:32:09am

#141 ChrisTP
Thanks! One of my favorites.
I also loved this scene in GhostBusters
[the Ghostbusters HQ blows up]
Louis: It is time! This is the sign!
Janine: It's a sign all right: "Going out of business"!

152 anty  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:33:00am

Well they did have the failed splodeydope in Jordan on ice for 24-48 hrs before they released the fact that she was still alive. Zarqawi's statement after the bombing showed that he did not know she had been capped.

So one can assume that she sang, and we followed the names back to someone in the know about where he was holed up.

Of all the times I have heard about Zarqawi's death, this one seems to have all of the proper pieces in place for it to happen.

Anty

153 mclaw  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:33:10am

This will be a true turning point in the war on terror if it is true....it shows that the terrorists are finally bombing people who deserve it. way to go bombers! No, go out and get a few more of these scumbags...oops that sounded insensitive....sorry CNN...I meant freedom fighters.

154 MN_but_red  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:35:17am

#148 flipflop

Has Jerusalem Post taken down the link to their own article? The article is still there, but there are no links to it that I can find on their main page, or the Middle East page.

Well, I went to their main page, and it's still in the crawl line in the top middle of the page. I didn't try searching.

155 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:35:59am

#151 Beto

Quite welcome....

#150 aaron

He should be the ewe for 72 billies.

Or the Monica for 72 Willies....

156 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:36:25am

Drudge has a link to the JPost article now. Don't see it picked up anywhere else yet.

157 opine6  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:36:57am

We can only hope he's dead. Maybe he knew he did not have a place to hide after his family publicly disowned him.

158 Catttt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:38:24am

If this turns out to be true, then Allah must be listening carefully to Jordanians' prayers, because I don't doubt for a minute that the content of many of those prayers for the recent past has been to stop Zarqawi.

If not true, the guy probably won't be visiting his tribe or family any time soon, since they may well kill him if he shows his face.

159 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:38:41am

Al-Zar's family put an ad in the Jordan paper denouncing him to Doomsday...

So Doomsday happened, hunh...

160 thscott  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:39:03am

Drudge has reservations about it... no siren.. its not the headline.

161 Sarah D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:39:33am
his family publicly disowned him.

Bin Laden's family did the same, didn't stop him.

162 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:39:34am

But.. but... there are no terrorists in Iraq...

Michael Moore

163 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:39:45am

#159 Bubbles

Actually, I think it was more like Boomsday (if true)...

164 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:41:43am

Chris

Boomsday... yeah!

165 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:42:33am

Boomsday...

I love it, chris! ;)

166 Blackeyed Pierce  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:43:40am

Buhahahaha!

167 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:44:10am

When you fire a TOW missile into a building full of explosives, things tend to go BOOOM.

.... and then ya just gotta bust a move!

168 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:44:33am

Die You Basterd Die

Hehe

169 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:45:02am

Zarqawi has brought shame on his family in Jordan. That's why they've denounced him. Not that they don't agree with him. One of the CNN reporters went to the town which gave him his name in Jordan and interviewed several of his cousins. They all told Nic Robertson they agreed with Zarqawi. If they are now saying they denounce him it's because they are feeling rejection and the shame of the disapproval of the rest of the Jordanians. Shame is a powerful force and as Ali Sina said in faithfreedom.org, the reason he thinks Muslims will eventually leave Islam is the shame factor. Because Muslims are very proud and whenever another Muslim does something good or someone famous says something nice about Islam they'll tell you about it as often as you'll listen. They hate to talk about things that don't place Islam in a positive light. Zarqawi has brought shame. It was one thing when everyone in the Middle East wanted to see the Americans come a cropper, but once their own turned on them after the wedding bombing, Zarqawi became a distinct liability.

For them, shame is more powerful than Islam. Islam has taught them that but like our weakness of p.c., shame is their weakness.

170 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:45:49am

#162 Bubble G

Why does eveyone have to bring up Fat Man?

171 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:46:46am

I'm assuming that US authorities have his family DNA on file somewhere.

So, Serious question.
How long does it take in real life to get DNA results back from the field.

Not looking for a CSI Miami answer, real life.

I figure if anyone knows, it would be one of us.

172 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:47:50am

170 Hous

Bringing up Fat Man to rub it in his fat face... the dude said there are no terrorists in Iraq... well, who the hell is Al-Zarqawi? A kite salesman? And where is Mosul?

173 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:48:54am
 #167

hous bin pharteen  11/20/2005 10:44AM PST

When you fire a TOW missile into a building full of explosives, things tend to go BOOOM.

.... and then ya just gotta bust a move!

Patented Acme move~

174 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:49:24am

On one hand I hope the reports that Zarcowhide's death by splodeydope is true. On the other I hope it isn't...getting blown up is far too easy a death for that lover of goats.

175 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:49:29am

Security forces in Morocco have arrested 17 radicals linked to Al-Qaeda.

176 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:49:31am

#172 bubble girl

And if any moonbat says the terrorists only came to Iraq because we were there, tell them to Google abu nidal, abu abbas, baghdad. Those terrorist pigs were in Baghdad long before we got there.

177 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:50:26am

Heard from my in-theater source.

A couple of well-placed folks who have seen the remains are positive it is Zarawi, but several others (including a Zarq relative) aren't sure.
Nobody is sure that it isn't him, but the body is in very bad shape.
DNA will soon provide confirmation one way or the other.

178 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:50:28am

#171,

Not a forensics guy, but some familiarity with DNA techniques. To actually run the tests, maybe a day's work, if you've got good samples.

They should have plenty to work with if they have the body, and willing relatives. We're not talking about trace evidence that needs amplifying first...

179 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:52:31am

#170 hous bin pharteen

Why does eveyone have to bring up Fat Man?

The "Fat Man" said that the "Insurgency were the Minutemen, and they will win".

Zarqawi being killed (if true), is not a winning strategy for them, or the "Fat Man".

180 WarBicycle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:52:47am

They should dispose of his remains in the Mosul sanitory sewer system.

181 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:52:54am

#172 Bubble

Well he give me the heebe geebees.

Reminds me of Jabba the Huts long lost relative.

Maybe they should make another movie with him.

Fat Man, instead of Batman.

He goes around saving little murderers to make the world safe for Stalinists.

182 be the meat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:52:56am

Osama tipped the coalition/Iraqi forces off. Zark was outta control. Blowing up Muslim weddings and alll.

Would be good to be able to show his head on a platter though. Osama's been gettin' a little lazy as of late. Zark is/was the real deal. Willing to blow anybody up at anytime, regardless of religion. Being a Muslim is in no way a pass in the minds of people like him. If anything you would be more of a mark.

I know it's an impossible dream but how sweet would it be for Zark to be kidnapped by rogue elements of the Iraqi police and beheaded in a Berg type of video.

183 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:53:12am

#178 Dar

Thanks for the feedback.

Gotta go get more beer, just in case.

184 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:53:32am

#177,

They may already know, given the time that's elapsed, but for an I.D. this important, you'd want several independent lines of evidence, I'd think.

185 Sir Lurksalot  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:53:38am

Rumor is he was poisoned by the Mossad by an untracable toxin.

186 jester6  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:54:14am

#85 Peter Verkooijen

Bush has started introducing the phrase 'islamofascists' recently. Too little, too late, but still...

You are right. But I qualified my statement with "allies". Here's my point.

It is quite popular today to separate the Nazi's from the German people today. And to be far, no society is monolithic. Our leaders may even have talked about fighting the German Nazis at the time. I am no expert on WWII propaganda. But in the end, the silent German masses were punished. We held them accountable when we turned their cities into rubble.

Islamofacists are akin to the German Nazis or Japanese Militarists or any other ideological movement that finds harbor in a larger demographic. Bush needs to let the Islamo people know they will be held accountable for the Islamofacists actions if they sit by silently.

187 lockednloaded  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:54:18am

I wish I could have been there, so i could say....

"When you get to hell, tell em, Bush Sent ya!"

188 Luigi  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:54:52am

I don't know if debka is updating this continually, but its interesting info.

DEBKAfile Exclusive: US forces and forensic experts are examining the bodies of eight high-ranking al Qaeda leaders in Mosul to find out if their chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is among them.
A sample of his DNA is in American possession for a match-up.
189 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:55:13am

The US may take time to identify the remains - to maintain a tactical and strategic advantage. They may want to keep the air of uncertainty going for a while as they go thru and see what other intel they can get.

190 Ben B  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:55:38am

If the report of his death is true, then he was probably informed on after the Jordanian 'error'.

191 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:56:16am

jester6

Do you have any idea how many people across the globe practice Islam? You ready to deal with over a billion people?

192 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:56:34am
32 TMF 11/20/2005 09:30AM PST BETTER than Bin Laden. He's been far more visible, active, and brazen than the tall guy, who has been MIA for what, a year now?BTW, no US outlets reporting this so Im getting more skeptical by the minute. Isnt this the 20th report of Zarqawis death?

Plus the J Post was wrong about Zawahiri when it was claimed Pakistan had him "surrounded".
Again, 48 hours.


Did anyone catch the military guy on Fox yesterday saying that it was well known in intel circles that they did have him in their sites, but couldn't get approval in time? White haired guy with goatee, bad with names!

193 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:57:21am
 #185

Sir Lurksalot  11/20/2005 10:53AM PST

Rumor is he was poisoned by the Mossad by an untracable toxin.

No, those Zionist Hair Death Rays!

194 lockednloaded  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:57:45am

Informed on, ... hmm if you cant trust hajji bomb makers and homicidal islamofascists, then who can you trust these days?

195 Catttt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:57:53am

If true, it might possibly be this incident in al-Sukar.

MOSUL, Iraq-- U.S. and Iraqi forces raided a farmhouse in northern Iraq at dawn Saturday, searching for suspected members of al-Qaida in Iraq. Eight insurgents and four Iraqi policemen were killed, officials said.

Brig. Said Ahmed al-Jubouri, the spokesman for the Mosul police, said Iraqi police and U.S. soldiers surrounded a house in the al-Sukar neighborhood of Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad.

BTW, the above link took a long time to open - may be getting a lot of hits.

196 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:57:59am

Osama escapes once more

WTH!

[Link: dnaindia.com...]

197 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:59:13am

#190 Ben B

If the report of his death is true, then he was probably informed on after the Jordanian 'error'.

Wouldn't surprise me.

198 lockednloaded  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:59:31am

191 bubble you know how many nukes and neutron weapons we have? enough to do the trick, then we can have the israelis do the "mopping up" after its done, they deserve to have oil of their own anyway

199 Banagor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:59:58am

OT:

I really want to use RSS/Atom feeds for OSM.org. But where is the link? Is there one? Charles, can you put up a feed link for it on the OSM page? Please.

On Topic: I hope they got the bastard.

200 Kiernan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:00:08am

I feel really good about this.
Debka File:

[Link: debka.com...]

201 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:00:34am
 #176

flipflop  11/20/2005 10:49AM PST

#172 bubble girl


And if any moonbat says the terrorists only came to Iraq because we were there, tell them to Google abu nidal, abu abbas, baghdad. Those terrorist pigs were in Baghdad long before we got there.

Yep! I cannot remember how many times my LLL friends used Fatboy's, "there are/were no terrorists in Iraq," as an argument against the invasion. Of course these are the same idiot who claim it is a Bush-Cheney-Halliburton-Jew conspiracy... Geesh~

202 Sizzle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:01:23am

Hopefully it’s true. But Fox still isn’t saying anything, must be waiting for conformation.
If it is true, it proves that the Islamic world would tolerate all that he was doing, until he threatened one of them. Odd, how people can be found depending on who they are threatening.

203 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:01:36am

Nice Link, Kiernan !

204 What's the matter with Democrats?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:01:44am

What a coincindence. This is exactly what I prayed for in church.

205 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:01:53am
 #198

lockednloaded  11/20/2005 10:59AM PST


191 bubble you know how many nukes and neutron weapons we have? enough to do the trick, then we can have the israelis do the "mopping up" after its done, they deserve to have oil of their own anyway

Yes I do. You got to be kidding, Locked...

206 SevoGuy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:02:02am

One down and the 20% of muslims that are terrorists or terrorist supporters to go. I believe it when the DNA evidence is confirmed. Otherwise....Good Hunting US Military.

207 Ben B  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:02:52am

#169 foreign devil

For them, shame is more powerful than Islam. Islam has taught them that but like our weakness of p.c., shame is their weakness.

That's a most thoughtful post. Shame is the Arabian Achilles heel as political correctness is the West's. Must think about that. It may be that political correctness will prove the easier to get rid of.

208 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:03:02am

Zarqawi you son-of-a-bitch emmissary from the religion of hell I hope you really have been blown to atoms, and I hope it really hurt.

209 lockednloaded  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:03:42am

they can melt back into the stone age, or embrace the light of a million suns if their religion teaches them all to kill infidels and expand the dar as-salam till the only ones left are them. It is a war of annhilation in every sense of the word. today they are claiming Eurabia, tomorow, America.

210 Brees  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:04:03am

Zarwhacki is dead? Did Zarswhirli call for it to be done? Who knows. What we need to see AND for the MSM to accept...are photos of his head (doubt if much would be left) on a table. Like some of the previous postings I read....it'll just sprout another worm. No exit plan. Keep on forcing them into corners so they can fill up the bunks of the Virgin Paradise in the Sky Hotel! I want our forces to be home, just like the rest of us. But the job is far from over. This is a world war (said that before in postings here)and it is going to last longer than we want. The Cindycrats think that it is illegal war, since there wasn't a congressional declaration signed. Don't recall Slick getting one for Bosnia-Herzegovina? Aren't there military "peace-keeper" forces still patroling? We still have occupying forces in England, Italy, Germany, Japan, South Korea too don't we? I don't see a cut & run for 2006. Maybe after 2008 IF Geena, I mean Hillary regains control. But then it will still be blamed on Bush.

211 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:04:22am

I wonder if they will show the body like they did with the Hussein brothers

212 NogenDavid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:05:37am

I believe it is traditional in such circumstances for the corpses to be moved to France for medical treatment prior to burial.

Strategically, if it is true that the number one is killed, this would tend to demoralize the rest. The targetted killing of two Hamas leaders by Israel in short succession seemed to dampen the enthusiasm or effectiveness of the organization as a hole.

On the other hand, in the public relations war, is there some paradoxical downside as well as advantage to taking out the terrorist in chief? Al-Zarqawi presented a well-defined and publicy understood portrait of evil. A clear cut murderous agenda directed at Jordan and Iraqi civilians as well as Americans and Israelis, and use of tactics such as beheadings. If the insurgency continues unabated in Iraq, but through more anonymous and disorganized murderers, might not it be more difficult to rally public opinion in the democracies?

In other words, in the 200 channel universe, is there not a grim utility, from the point of view of maintaining public support for the ongoing grind of the war in having a Zarqawi or Bin Laden on the other side as a symbol of what self-respecting democracies are fighting?

Is it even possible, now that Al-Z became an embarassment to his own side, due to the Jordan murders, that he was betrayed by some of the insurgents, who saw him as a public relations disaster?

213 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:07:33am

Hey Germans are helping Israel

[Link: arutzsheva.com...]

214 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:08:19am

#190 Ben B

He has had a bunch of really nasty mofo's on his ass for quite a while. It was just a matter of time till they tacked his scalp to the wall.

215 # 17  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:08:41am

If the theory expounded by several LGFers above, that as soon as Zarqawee targeted Jordanian Arabs, he was given up, it leads to an inevitable conclusion. That is, that in future the US, Israelis or whoever, must deliberatly target civilians linked to terrorist leaders, ensuring that the blame points to those leaders. Their people will then turn on them, thus ensuring that whilst a few innocent people are sacrificed, many more are spared.

216 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:11:06am

#211 Avner

Probably not. According to my source, cross-contamination of the remains was a slight complication in DNA testing. They are proceeding with samples removed from fully protected portions of the remains, bone marrow most likely but I don't know a whole lot about this stuff.
That is, the 'dopes are so f***ed up that fluids and even tissue from each have mixed liberally with scraps from the others.

217 Ben B  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:11:35am

#161 Sarah D

If FatBasTurdTM were to become a suicide bomber there's be a lot of clearing up to do.

218 aaron  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:11:36am
Rumor is he was poisoned by the Mossad by an untracable toxin.

Untraceable because it's actually a "laser"

219 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:12:08am

If Zarqawi is dead, of course there still will be attacks(Which we all know the press will show repeatedly as proof nothing has changed), ones that were in the pipeline already. If they drop off a lot in a few weeks, it could really be the turning point.
Do Ya'll think the bombings of the 2 mosques, and the funeral might have lead someone inside to say enough is enough?

220 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:12:17am

I'm sure someone has said...48 hour rule, right?

Have to get DNA from that lovely family of his...unless Abdullah has it already.

But I do admit to feeling absolutely giddy, in anticipation of this mother f**ker being dead...D-E-A-D!

221 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:14:27am

Seems to me there've been a few too many unconfirmed reports of extremely high-ranking al-Q and Saddam rodents getting reported whacked or croaking, including the head turd himself, UBL.

Get some heads on pikes, I'll be far less skeptical. But...the last type of report I'd hold any faith in are those being reported by or in some muslim wipe. 3 in less than a month? UBL, al-Duri and now wacky-Zacky.

As much as I'd like to believe it...I won't be holding my breath.

222 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:14:39am

I see, Shiplord. Interesting to say the least.

Israeli Exports to the US Continue to Rise!

:)

[Link: arutzsheva.com...]

223 TMF  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:15:28am

Remember when we caught Sadaam.

Oh how naive I was.

I thought "there is no WAY anyone can try to spin this as a negative".

Sure enough, it took hours, maybe minutes before the Dem/MSM talking heads were spinning like a top.

If it's true this time (I think its the 20th claim of dead Zarqawi), we'll see more of the same.

224 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:15:36am

I'll wait until the meat paste scrapings have been DNA tested/

225 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:15:50am

If it's true...send his head to Michael Berg...he loves the guy...afterall "Zarqawi got to know my son".

He Michael Berg, have you met Cindy Sheehan, yet?

226 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:16:17am

#215 #17

The Jordanian bombing was a bad PR move.

You dont think communications from Zarqawi didnt pick up significantly?

All it takes is to stick your head up once at the wrong time and.........WHAMMO!

He was not ratted out. He got sloppy.

Find em. Fix em. Finish em.

227 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:16:30am

#217 BenB

"If FatBasTurdTM were to become a suicide bomber there's be a lot of clearing up to do."

OTOH, identification would be easy: the sheer mass of the gruesome offal and the presence of facial hog-bristles would obviate any complex scientific tests.

228 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:17:51am

Oh yeah...if true you can send the rest of this vermin to France for autopsy...they love doing shit for Islamist killers and kiddies....:).

229 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:18:34am
230 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:19:19am

#217 Ben B

In all of human history, I don't think there has been enough explosives manufactured to do the job...

231 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:20:45am

#225 Elcid

Please tell me that was a joke, that Michael Berg did not really say that.

232 Tom (American Voter)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:23:03am

Well the InTrade.com Dec contract on Zarqawi has shown a sharp uptick and is currently the most heavily trade on the exchange. Probably people just covering their shorts, but maybe there is an insider making a killing.

233 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:23:48am

Dead or not, whenever his time comes, I hope he has an eternity of this to look forward to.

234 The Shadow Do  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:25:18am

#212 Nogen David

n other words, in the 200 channel universe, is there not a grim utility, from the point of view of maintaining public support for the ongoing grind of the war in having a Zarqawi or Bin Laden on the other side as a symbol of what self-respecting democracies are fighting?

No. No utility. The 200 channel consumer is victory starved. Nothing out there now but this infuriating defeatism (Ie: a certain EX-marine congressman yesterday).

/Allah bless the Z-man, blast residue be upon him

235 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:26:05am

#226 hous bin pharteen,

IF true we can't eliminate the possibility that someone "dropped a dime" on him. Jordanian intelligence is supposedly pretty good and spread throught the ME. Its one thing for OBL to threaten the House of Saud from the mountains of Afghanistan and another if you threaten Jordan's king while in Iraq. It could also have been someone looking to collect the sizable bounty on his head.

236 grayp  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:26:58am

I too have not heard anything on Fox yet - but they did have an interesting report earlier about Zarqawhi's family - they have apparently taken out full-page ads in 3 prominent Jordanian newspapers disavowing him.

237 be the meat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:27:26am

If we wrap things up in Iraq in the next year or two my guess is that things will heat up in western Europe. They're the soft underbelly of the west in general. Osama and Co. cannot beat us in a military sense but in a "long range, demographic, cultural" sense they have a lot of leverage in Eurabia.

They can't do it in the U.S., but in Europe they can fall back on the radical infrastructure they've been building for the last two decades.

Paris riots were about many things one of them being radical Islam's abiltiy to focus action under the banner of "racism, poverty, integration" etc.

They could have the most success by scaring the Europeans with a "soft war", al Theo van Gogh. Once they realize the West won't back down in the "hard" war they will focus their efforts on the more fertile front.... the cultural war in western Europe.

This front will ratchet up in the next 5-10 years. Good to be an American at this point but we will have to help the Europeans (no matter how much they don't deserve it) to crush their "soft insurgency".

238 thscott  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:27:48am

I smell doo-doo.

The report now says that he "may" have been killed.

My bet is that he is in Syria.

239 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:28:18am

If this has been posted, sorry! I just do not believe that the rat bastard is dead. They pull this crap every few weeks. Show us the body, DNA, etc. This one sounds good, but I would bet that they are still sending him money, just like bin liner's family probably are. Al-Zarqawi's Jordan family renounces him

...The family of al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, reiterated their strong allegiance to Jordan's King Abdullah II in half-page advertisements in the kingdom's three main newspapers. Al-Zarqawi threatened to kill the king in an audiotape released Friday.

"A Jordanian doesn't stab himself with his own spear," said the statement by 57 members of the al-Khalayleh family, including al-Zarqawi's brother and cousin. "We sever links with him until doomsday."

The statement is a serious blow to al-Zarqawi, who no longer will enjoy the protection of his tribe and whose family members may seek to kill him.

"As we pledge to maintain homage to your throne and to our precious Jordan ... we denounce in the clearest terms all the terrorist actions claimed by the so-called Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, who calls himself Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," the family members said.

"We announce, and all the people are our witnesses, that we - the sons of the al-Khalayleh ....

read whole article, then spit 3 times.

I am just a sceptic, I guess. What really impresses me is just how Stone Age the cult of Islam is....look what they do to females to 'protect their honor'. And to goats, donkeys, little boys.......

240 wanumba  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:28:43am

Need more confirmation than this before throwing the candy around...
actually, throwing candy has never been appropriate with death, even with enemies.

If we start getting videos of Zarqawi in obscure locations, with separate audio tapes denouncing global warming, then he's dead.

Only slightly OT :
How does Osama bin Laden, MIA, sound?

Good enough to drive moonbats and terrorists nuts?

241 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:29:08am

Perhaps the timing of this is also of interest Zarqawi's family pledges allegience to king and renounces him

242 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:29:18am

#1 Beagle

Mazel tov! :)

243 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:31:23am

#240 wanumba

If we start getting videos of Zarqawi in obscure locations, with separate audio tapes denouncing global warming, then he's dead.

Hee hee! ;)

244 wanumba  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:31:50am

#32 TMF

Sorry -always happens when I don't peruse the thread from #1. You beat me to it.

Osama bin Laden, MIA

245 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:33:25am

#235 Gadfly

Because I heard different yesterday.

Link

I knew they were close. Not THAT close.
Always the off chance he snuck out before the big bang.
We surrounded the place with tanks and helo's as well as troops. Sound like the evil twins of Saddam?

246 What's the matter with Democrats?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:34:45am

233 christheprofessor

You have a knack for finding the best clips. I especially liked the one from Goodfellas...

I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh...
247 aaron  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:35:28am
#234 The Shadow Do

No. No utility. The 200 channel consumer is victory starved. Nothing out there now but this infuriating defeatism (Ie: a certain EX-marine congressman yesterday)

Amen

#226 hous bin pharteen

He was not ratted out. He got sloppy.

Find em. Fix em. Finish em

SIGINT is a beautiful thing:-)

248 Sarah D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:36:52am

Interesting.

Most likely not news to most of you, but I was not aware of this.

249 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:36:57am

Hmmm...the JPost article has been updated. It says "Arab web site" instead of "Arab TV channel" now.

I'm growing more skeptical by the minute. :(

250 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:37:43am

The original source for this is Eleph Arab Media, a fairly obscure organization.

They might have the scoop because:
A. They made it up.
B. They are the ones who gave Zarq away, in response to the Jordan massacres.

251 olderthandirt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:39:02am

Would that his end be true. However, if he's been blown into a thousand little pieces, it'll be harder to find him! Careful now, he's here, there, everywhere, he's been blown by the wind! Will he get his 72-Virginians when he arrives in Paradise?

252 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:39:23am

Also, this story isn't on JPost's actual list of breaking stories anymore.

The link still exists, but JPost isn't posting the link for new readers.

You can get there only if you know the URL.

This sounds a bit less hopeful. :(

253 aaron  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:40:00am
#238 thscott

My bet is that he is in Syria.

Our best guess is Lebanon, namely Ein al-Hilweh camp, if not in Iraq. Profile suggests that he'd stay put in Iraq and not run away.

254 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:40:33am

#251 olderthandirt

heheh...this is one Virginian who'd be more than happy to make his acquaintance, however brief that acquaintance would be.

255 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:44:48am

#245

Clan Snitch Catches

"The Jordanian sources say a member of the clan snitched, alerting police to her whereabouts.
"
I know the source (Time) is dubious but this claims that it was a clan member that turned in the failed suicide bombing woman - one who was marriage related to Zarqawi.

I guess one can hope that this repeated...

256 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:46:06am

#212 NogenDavid

Good points. I'd still like to piss on his grave.

#242 NY Nana

My Sharona! ;>

257 gymnast  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:47:13am

If it turns out to be true that he is dead it will take about 30 seconds for the press to start spinning this to imply that things will really get bad because we have made a matyr out of the sorry sack of shit. The press played bullet proof vest for Arafat for about 30 years and Zarqawi is their latest Nobel Prize Candidate.

258 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:49:06am

i hope his head came off.

259 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:49:20am

Sorry I'm not caught up. Damn grass growing.

It could be a cover so Zarqawi could skedaddle to Iran where the "top leadership of al Qaeda" (Ijaz) is parked.

260 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:50:47am

#253 aaron


Why not Paris?

The french would never find him.

261 thscott  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:51:12am

253 aaron

Just a pipe dream on my part.. and that Saddam's WMD will be found under Assad's thumb. One can hope.

262 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:51:41am

#248 Sarah D.

Thanks. That is a great find.

This example of the general civility and kindness of the cult of islam makes me want to puke; they are the enemy of us all, Christian and Jew:
Arrest over girls' beheadings

INDONESIAN police have arrested a 23-year-old man on suspicion of involvement in the beheading of three teenage Christian girls in the religiously divided district of Poso.

Machete-wielding attackers ambushed the three high school students on their way home on October 29, killing three and wounding the fourth, police said.
Two of the victims' heads were found near a police post while the third was discovered outside a Christian church.

The incident has sparked public indignation at home and overseas.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono condemned the killings and Pope Benedict XVI deplored what he described as "barbaric murder"....

There is more...may G-d help the families of the murdered girls...and may the murderer(s) die an horrific death.

There is no place on this planet where anyone can sit back and relax, thinking that 'it can't happen here'. Wrong! It can happen and either has or will unless the assholes wake up and recognize that the cult of islam is the greatest threat we face, and they have the money to buy any kind of weaponry they want, and will use it. We have a choice: us or them. They will not change, ever. I choose us, but the world, Eurabia included, has to wake up yesterday. The LLL's are idiots, and are also a danger, because of their mass ignorance...ostriches with their heads buried in the sand, and their asses in the air as targets. Let's ship the ACLU off to Syria, along with all the apologists.

263 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:51:47am

#258 ibmkeyboard

i hope his head came off.

"You knocked his block off!"

264 scaramouche  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:52:49am

Debka says the U.S. has Zarqawi's DNA on file so it can verify the claim he's dead.

I have my doubts.

265 Windhorse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:52:50am

Thank you God.

266 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:53:03am

231 cTp

Please tell me that was a joke, that Michael Berg did not really say that.

I'm looking for that exact quote, as I'm sure Michael Berg, did in fact say that...below is one I have found

These are the hateful nutcases Michael Berg signed up with when he signed the International ANSWER statement. (Incidentally, ANSWER’s most recent campaign is to “Defend Dr. Hatem Bazian,” the professor who called for an “intifada” in America.) His son, Nick, saw a nation that needed his help and tried to better it. Michael Berg said of the killer, “They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend.”
FrontPage

267 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:54:02am
268 ganzo azul  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:54:25am

It's not only the Zarqawi family that needs to restore honor. With the capture of the failed suicide bomber, the "powerful and ubiquitous" Shammar tribe was definitively identified as being agents of Al Qaeda.

The recent letter from Ayman al-Zawahiri to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi requesting $100,000, if true, suggests that Al Qaeda is running awfully short on funds. It kinds of makes one wonder if Al Qaeda even has the wherewithall to put a hit on their renegade field commander.

269 Guy_Philly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:55:04am

If his death is true, the true story will only be a rumor about what really happened. Any US involvement will be removed from the story so as to not incite more crazies. The official line will be that his fam got him. They save face this way, and our allies in Jordan keep from being the target of more terrorist acts. They avenged the death of their people and nothing more. He is an Ex- terrorist. Dead is dead and so be it! I would just love to see an unaltered autopsy report though.

270 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:55:33am
Michael Berg said of the killer, “They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend.”

What a useful idiot, with the emphasis on idiot.

271 RayH  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:56:53am

Haven't read the the thread yet but... what if this is a staged event, so he can make an escape? We've heard rumors of his death before.
Let's wait till we get some DNA proving he was in the building.

272 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:58:48am

meanwhile Air America continues the "Bush lied, people died" meme.

273 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:00:37am

#272 EIDE...

Sheesh...those gutter-crawling amoebae aren't off the air yet?

274 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:01:04am

What could have happened is he changed clothes with someone who blew themselves up and it was thought to be Zarqawi. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not hopeful now, since JPost has taken the story down.

275 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:01:37am

Oh, I'd say we'll see a replay of the spin used when news came out that the Hussein boys were dead: "We should have tried to negotiate instead of killing him! All we've done instead is enrage the people of the region more!"

The Left hates when their "Brave Revolutionaries" are killed instead of being captured. It not only robs them of a decade long circus trial, but also the decades of "FREE (Insert Liberal "Hero's" Name)!"

276 blutonazi98  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:02:24am

but bush lied..... and this hero was fighting for the truth! this is only a victory for the neocons and zionist occupiers. this day will be remembered and honored the same as mao, che,ho chi min(sp?), stalin and all heros that fought and died for freedom.


/yes i know they killed a few but those jews and anti progress capitalist needed to be killed for the good of all!

277 restitutor orbis  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:03:29am

Well if Zarqawi wasn't killed, look on the bright side. The fact that they chose to kill themselves rather than risk capture speaks of their importance in the terror hierarchy. Sure the main scumbag may yet live, but at least 8 possibly very important underlings are burning in hell right now.

278 MJ  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:03:41am

Here's what Michael Berg said to Britain's left-wing Guardian:

People ask me why I focus on putting the blame for my son's tragic and atrocious end on the Bush administration. They ask: "Don't you blame the five men who killed him?" I have answered that I blame them no more or less than the Bush administration, but I am wrong: I am sure, knowing my son, that somewhere during their association with him these men became aware of what an extraordinary man my son was. I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to [sic] it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

279 han_solo  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:04:15am

>The official line will be that his fam got him.


Nope....a better spin would be to say the Iraqi military got him themselves. Gives them credibility, a little show of strength and puts other less-cooperative Iraqi's on notice.

280 AisA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:04:45am

Question for the anti-war/leftist/liberal axis of lunancy: if Zarqawi is CAPTURED, will you advocate that we treat HIM "humanely"? On what possible basis does a self-declared mass murderer deserve ANYTHING but the harshest possible interrogation, including any form of torture we think will be effective?

281 blutonazi98  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:04:56am

sheesh pardon my errors above. this victory for the zionist also must have killed my spell checking ability


/must not blog and watch football

282 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:07:21am

#280 AisA

Since I've come to understand the liberal mind, I'll answer for them.

It's quite simple...He's not George Bush.

283 The_Pickle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:07:57am

Gods let this be true. May this psychotic bastard burn in the fires of evey hell known to man. Miserable POS.

I'm with an earlier poster on this thread in saying if this turns out to be true I will personally toast this c#%ksucker to eternal damnation with liberal doses of Booze and Pork rinds.

284 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:09:27am

#256 Beagle

Ahem. :) On a serious note, I agree with your #259 and do not believe he is dead,as much as I would like to.

To any of our lizards in London, the source of those strange strangling sounds emanating from Broadcasting House in Portland Place were the staff, trying to decide how to deal with this information Index ranks Middle East freedom

Notice which country is first (shocka!:) and how they manage not to mention it at all in the body of the article. I guess they think no one will actually look at the chart! The article is a poster child for al-Beeb's predjudice.

285 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:09:52am

278 MJ

People ask me why I focus on putting the blame for my son's tragic and atrocious end on the Bush administration. They ask: "Don't you blame the five men who killed him?" I have answered that I blame them no more or less than the Bush administration, but I am wrong: I am sure, knowing my son, that somewhere during their association with him these men became aware of what an extraordinary man my son was. I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to [sic] it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

Bingo

cTp

My statement was embellishing what this was...NO what I said, "Zarqawi got to know my son", was not what Michael Berg stated.

286 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:12:12am

#280 AisA

Of course. They will want him read his civil rights, imprisoned at one of our "country club" prisons. And then all the best lefty lawyers will fight over the chance to defend him in court and get their mugs all over CNN for 3 years. That way they can make alot of money on future cases.

287 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:12:17am

While scraping the bottom of the Internet barrel in search of Zarqawi news, I came across this little gem on Al Jazeera.

288 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:14:48am

Oh yeah, Michael Berg, they carved your son's head off while alive because they admired him soooooo much.

/disbelief, shaking head

289 restitutor orbis  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:16:53am

#287 flipflop


Your right that IS one hell of a doozy.

290 BingoBunny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:17:48am

DNA all the meat scraps in that town till we find him or .. make sure is just dog doo.

291 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:18:30am

What is with the muslim loving and trying to explain?

Everyone is kissing their asses.

Why does everyone treat Muslims different than Jews?

292 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:18:49am

#289 restitutor orbis

I thought it was pretty funny. Just because there never were "terror tapes" until after 9/11, they must be an American fabrication. Sheesh...what f*cking pathological liars.

293 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:19:46am

#291 Avner:

Because for the LLL, they share a common enemy with Al Queda, western civilization.

294 jester6  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:20:08am

#191 Bubble Girl

I don't want to see us deal with that billion people in the way that I see is inevitable. I hope those billion people distances themselves from the smaller group that is practicing violent Jihad. Because if they do not, we will end up killing tens of millions of them.

I don't think we have the patience for this war. Americans and the West in general, like any other mass of people, are driven to move up Maslow's pyramid.

War is such a bummer; we would rather be fat and happy. And in reality, the only thing worth fighting for is maintaining or bettering one’s position on that Maslow dog pile.

All conflict eventually comes down to basic human nature. The world's Muslim population generally lives under authoritarian governments in squalid conditions. They want better. Not for Allah, but because they want to be fat and happy too. Islam, like any other popular ideology, is just a way to harness the basic drive to move up the pyramid. But instead of focusing that energy on internal reform, it focuses it on external conquest.

This puts a billion people’s desire to move up the pyramid in direct conflict with our desire to stay high up on the pyramid. I offer no value judgments on this conflict; I just recognize that it exists.

Being the fat and happy lot that we are, we will tire of the war and lower our guard. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but one day we will. Being the down trodden lot they are, they will continue to try to climb the pyramid given the path shown to them by their ideology. Again, it’s just human nature. Ideology, religion, politics are all logical constructs which either float along with the currents of human nature or get destroyed by them. In this case, those currents are bashing our two ideologies together.

One day when our guard is lowered enough one of their zealots will strike. Given the accessibility of nuclear weapons left after the Cold War, I expect we will loose a city. I thought this before 9/11 simply because of the availability of the nukes. But unlike then, when I merely recognized the pieces were in place, I did not realize the fundamental forces that were forcing us together.

It also might be another oil embargo or other large scale government to government event. But I think the people on the other side who could put an oil embargo in place understand that messing with our fatness is a bad idea, given our ability to roll through their regions and slaughter their people en masse.

Whether it is a nuke or an oil embargo, our response will be driven by anger and basic human behavior. You cannot live very high on the pyramid when you are worrying about getting nuked. Nor can you live high on the pyramid when there is no oil to heat your home. So we will strike back hard. Not for the sake of the Bible or Capitalism or Democracy, but for being fat and happy.

Since they have no real economy we cannot ape the way we won the Cold war by spending them into oblivion. Since they do not have massive cities and industrial might we cannot bomb them into submission like WWII. With no massive military to stand toe to toe with Détente is not an option.

The only way to ensure our fatness and happiness will be to wipe them out. Wholesale slaughter. And when backed into a corner we will do it. Not because it is right or wrong. But because that is what humans do when you mess with their fundamental happiness.

Personally, I find this ending to the current conflict as offensive as I find it inevitable. I certainly hope I am wrong.

295 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:20:13am

When will this damn tide turn?!?!

296 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:20:20am

Here is a potential problem: Israel: Labor central committee votes to leave government

The Labor Party's central committee met on Sunday evening at the Tel Aviv Fairgrounds in what amounted to a show of force for new Labor chairman Amir Peretz, who used the event to show that the party was united behind him.

The central committee decided to hold the primaries for the party's Knesset list on January 17, 2006. Due to the new date, those who wish to join the Labor party can do so until Thursday, November 24. On December 4, the new membership list will be published, and appeals will only be possible for a short time following that date.

In the wake of the decision, party ministers were expected to tender their resignations as early as Monday.

In his speech, Peretz reached out to Likud voters, calling on them to "come and join our social pact. You have no reason to continue to pay the price of the war between [former finance minister] Bibi [Netanyahu] and [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon. You have no reason to continue to pay the price of the dazzling fraud and the hedonism of your central committee members," Peretz shouted. "You have no reason to feel as if you are abandoning the Likud. You are not abandoning the Likud; the Likud abandoned you. You gave the Likud your support and it turned its back on you. You believed in it as a family, and it deserted and neglected you."

The event was loud and boisterous. Peretz, along with his wife Achlama, entered a packed room surrounded by flag-waving Labor youth and accompanied by the sound of his campaign jingle, "With Amir Peretz, Labor will win." The stage was covered by signs reading, "Labor will make a revolution," and "Man, economy, and peace." Labor youth did a conga-line dance, shouting "Revolution!" and passing out placards with the word "Revolution" written on them in blue and white. When Peretz walked onto the stage, confetti fell from the ceiling.

Former Labor chairman Shimon Peres, whose political future in the party is in doubt, was not present at the meeting. Communication Minister Dalia Itzik, who has been named a possible candidate for joining a Sharon list, was present, as was Minister-without-portfolio Haim Ramon, mistakenly reported as absent earlier in the day because he arrived late at the meeting.

Earlier, in what was expected to be the last cabinet meeting of the national unity government, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said to Vice Premier Shimon Peres "I thank you for your work in the government - this is the beginning of a joint venture together."

"I won't release you from completing the missions you have yet to complete. I will call on your assistance in the future," the Prime Minister said, adding fuel to the rumors that he will try to form a new party including Peres. ***

Thirty people, all candidates for the party's Knesset list, asked to speak at the event, but were left disappointed when only Peretz and his close allies - party secretary Eitan Cabel and MK Ephraim Sneh - were allowed to speak.

The Knesset is expected to vote on dissolving the Knesset on Monday, after the Meretz-Yahad faction withdrew its no-confidence motion that could have delayed the dissolution vote until Wednesday.

*** Puke. Sharon is a liability Israel can not afford, and Peres and Peretz both are a menace. Netanyahu? Also doubtful. If the Government falls, I can not, offhand, think of a leader that is capable. Sharon has to go, but a replacement? Oy.

The arabs must be salivating and ululululating.

297 AisA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:21:28am

286 hous bin pharteen

I fear you are correct. They would probably hold fundraisers for his defense.

298 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:22:19am

We need a more right wing Prime Minister than Sharon!

Peretz is even worse

299 hiker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:22:44am

I want to see his head. And I want DNA to remove any doubt. But mostly I want to see his head. On a pike would be nice. Or, used as a door stop at the Pentagon.

300 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:27:19am

Does anyone want to see his head on a spike?

301 Sarah D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:28:06am

He should be rendered into hog food.

302 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:28:46am

#300 avner

Yes, I'd like to see it on a spike,
I'd even like to see it on a pike.

I'd like it in a box,
or being eaten by a fox.

/seuss

303 Judith  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:32:10am
How long does it take in real life to get DNA results back from the field.

If I already knew what I was looking for and had the appropriate test on hand, I could do it in my lab in 4-6 hours. I would want to repeat it three times and get the same result before I was sure. So that would make it 12-18 hours, assuming everything worked the first time. In DNA it seldom does.

That IF is a huge if. If they have to go get DNA from his family and process it, determine a test, and such from scratch, then it might be a week or more.

304 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:32:43am

#291 Avner

There are so many millions more of them than there are of us..and the word 'oil' comes to mind. If, after 9/11, the London and Madrid subway bombings, Beslan, and all the atrocities comitted by the cult of islam,the world cannot see them for what they are, then we are indeed in trouble.

I think that there are those who think that by kissing arab ass, and allowing them to claim themselves as 'victims', somehow they will be satisfied, and leave the rest of the world alone. Wrong!

Then there is also the Jew hate that has existed for so many centuries, and now, as our numbers decrease, the ratio of Jew hate seems to rise disproportionately.

At nearly 68 years of age, I despair.

306 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:33:28am
#302 flipflop

Good One! Lol!

307 Sarah D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:33:32am

Interesting disclaimer to post a comment on Al-Jazeera:

Do NOT use special characters: - + < > ( ) { } $ % * & ! _ / ^ : ; @
Do NOT use any numbers: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Racism and reference to religion is banned.
308 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:33:51am

I HATE AP Yes, hate. Hate, hate, hate.
2 US Soldiers Dead! Whoopie! (Oh, and by the way maybe they capped Zarqawi)

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents killed an American soldier near Baghdad and a British trooper in the south Sunday, and U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a shootout — some by their own hand to avoid capture.

In Washington, a U.S. counterterrorism official said the identities of the suspected al-Qaida members was unknown. When asked if they could include terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

309 westman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:34:00am

AP has a story now about the shootout with al-Qaida in Mosul.

Insurgents killed an American soldier near Baghdad and a British trooper in the south Sunday, and U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a shootout — some by their own hand to avoid capture.

In Washington, a U.S. counterterrorism official said the identities of the suspected al-Qaida members was unknown. When asked if they could include terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

310 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:35:26am

#301 Sarah D.:

He should be rendered into hog food.


Ouch, you really don't like Zarqawi I take it?

311 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:35:46am

Long Live Israel And America!

We will live in a time of peace soon but there is war to be done!

312 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:36:22am

#300 Avner

"Does anyone want to see his head on a spike?"

Nah, the White House flagpole.

313 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:36:36am

Why cant America make the KKK, Neo-Nazis and other hate groups illegal?

I know about freedom of speach but give me a break. They should make those illegal

314 Jakester  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:36:48am

I'm tearing my clothes up in mourning, NOT!

315 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:37:14am

#308 beagle

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick...I've been checking AP regularly for news on this, and saw that one a while ago. I assumed that any article speculating on the death of Zark would be headlined as such, but nooooooo...not with AP.

316 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:38:31am

#298 Avner

Peretz is a nightmare!Moustache Pete: Israel`s New Labor Party Commissar

The victory of Amir Peretz over Shimon Peres in the Nov. 9 Labor Party primaries all but guarantees the victory of the Likud in Israel`s next national election. It also makes it quite likely that the Labor Party will now shrink into insignificance and irrelevance as the Peretz victory will serve as a shot in the arm for the nearly extinct left-wing Meretz Party.

The most dramatic ramification of all, of course, is that Peretz's triumph at long last puts an end to the career of Shimon Peres, the holder of Israel's record for political failure. Having lost virtually every political contest he's ever fought, and coming off his shocking and embarrassing defeat at the hands of the unschooled Peretz, Peres is finished politically. (Peres responded to his loss to Peretz with a show of ungraciousness, refusing to call Peretz to congratulate him and threatening to challenge the primary results in court.)

The amazing thing is that Shimon Peres managed to impose so many of his ideas on Israel without ever winning an election. The Oslo “peace process” was by and large Peres's initiative. It was imposed on Israel by Yitzhak Rabin, who was willing to follow Peres's lead on statecraft even though he'd been elected on a platform flatly rejecting any Oslo-like strategy.

Peres in time managed to use the shock in Israel over the assassination of Rabin to neutralize what had been growing opposition to the Rabin-Peres initiative. Later, the visionless leaders of Likud also followed Peres's line and continued to pursue peace through appeasement and national self-abasement.

Enough of Peres; let us turn our attention now to Amir Peretz. The new Labor Party boss is, to put it politely, a cross between Jimmy Hoffa and Cheech. A party hack who built his career mainly by establishing a power base in Israel's corrupt Histadrut trade union federation, Peretz got as far as he has in part through fortuitously pinning his political fortunes to the tailcoats of other politicians, and in part because the establishment politicians in Labor never took him seriously enough to neuter him politically.

Born in Morocco, Peretz immigrated with his parents to Israel at the age of four. He first came to national attention in Israel in 1983 upon his election as mayor of the economically distressed working class Negev town of Sderot. This was long before the days when Sderot morphed into Israel's Stalingrad, routinely taking the brunt of rocket attacks by the PLO and its affiliates. (Peretz has been notoriously absent from Sderot during those attacks, and has had almost nothing to say about them).

A personal note: The only time I met Peretz face to face was when he invited me to testify before a Knesset committee he was chairing on health policy. Aware of his reputation as an intellectual lightweight, I made my presentation in monosyllables and simple words, but he just stared at me with uncomprehending wide eyes, apparently understanding nothing that I said.

Peretz served as a warehouse and maintenance officer in the Israeli military, sustaining a leg injury in the Sinai in 1974 when his personnel carrier was involved in an accident. After recovery he was offered the task of running a gas station, but he refused, claiming he was not “prepared to be anyone's boss on the grounds that it would constitute exploitation.”

Perhaps he was really afraid of the bookkeeping challenges involved....

see rest of article

317 Sarah D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:38:50am

#310 EIDE_Interface

And I'm in a good mood.

318 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:39:43am

#307 Sarah

I saw that one hostile poster referred to the site as "Al-Basura." Basura=Sp. for "garbage"

319 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:40:06am

#301 Sarah D.

That would constitute animal cruelty.

320 Paul  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:40:35am

If Zarqawi is dead and there is Karmic justice, he'll be reincarnated as Saddam's jockey shorts.

321 godfrey  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:40:52am

Sarah D

9mm pointed in your direction, what do you do?

322 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:41:15am

They have created recently another party in Israel that consist of a right wing Rabbi. I'll get the article ASAP

323 NamesAGame  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:41:43am

#303

Along the same lines... Generally, a bomber's head is left relatively intact by an explosive belt. It *may* be possible to get a visual ID as well.

The Israelis (I understand) literally count heads after a terrorist attack. It's a quick and reliable way discern the # of casualties.

324 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:41:46am

#318 shiplord

How 'bout "Al-Scheisse" for the German-speaking readers?

325 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:42:49am

Everyone Should Listen To This Radio Show

[Link: www.israelnationalradio.com...]

Its an amazing right wing Israeli radio show!

Check It Out!

326 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:42:56am

#315 flipflop

I only found it because I'm sick and tired of every lead story headline, at the top of every news outlet, being U.S. troops killed. As I said the other day, if the Pacific War had been reported the same way we'd have quit by Guadalcanal. Which I'm sure AP would be thrilled about. The poor Imperial Japanese Empire was crushed by the evil hegemonic United States.

327 reno316  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:43:13am

And natural;ly, the AP reports it not as "Zarqawi reported killed" but rather as "Two more US Soldiers killed..."

Nope, no bias there.

/sarcasm

328 J.D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:45:07am

I'm sure it's been ^^^said before^^^ but truly, it could not have happened to a more deserving guy.

329 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:45:27am

Zarqawi probably killed!

According to these two sources, Iraqi and US military forces in Mosul think that Zarqawi, al-Qaeda leader in Iraq was possibly killed in a raid on a house where members of al-Qaeda were holding a meeting.
Al-Mada paper said that terrorists hiding in a house fired back at American and Iraqi troops that were surrounding the house in a battle that lasted from dawn to noon on Saturday (Jerusalem Post said it was Sunday)`after receiving intelligence about a meeting for senior al-Qaeda members.

The terrorists blew up the house when an Iraqi assault team tried to break into the house, the blast killed four Iraqi soldiers and wounded ten policemen and also killed all of the hiding terrorists.
Eight charred bodies were found in the scene, one of them belongs to a woman.
An Iraqi security official in Mosul said that US forces will most likely conduct DNA tests on the found bodies to verify whether or not Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi was among the killed terrorists.

If anyone has more information on this news, please leave a note in the comments.

[Link: iraqthemodel.blogspot.com...]

330 pork rinds for allah  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:46:33am

#277 restitutor orbis 11/20/2005 12:03PM PST

Well if Zarqawi wasn't killed, look on the bright side. The fact that they chose to kill themselves rather than risk capture speaks of their importance in the terror hierarchy. Sure the main scumbag may yet live, but at least 8 possibly very important underlings are burning in hell right now.

It took 277 posts to be truthful and honest...

as the saying goes...

Dayanu... it would have been enough.....

if the maggot's lost a safe house and cost them cash...

if the maggot's lost equipment, bullets & bombs...

if the maggot's lost computers and secure phone and cash...

if the maggot's got a headache....

if the maggot's had any pain....

if the maggot's family has pain...

if the maggot's family has dishonor for 10 generations...

if the maggot's were wounded...

if the maggot's had doubt about their faith...

if the maggot's died a painful death...

if the maggot's just died ...

if the maggot's were high ranking...

if the maggot's were Zarqawi!

if the main maggot was Zarqawi and he's a PALESTINIAN!

Dayanu

331 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:47:11am

Headlines I'd like to see:

"Home-made missile destroys Reuters HQ; Bush praises civilian war-effort"

"AP office bombed with live turkeys, Rove celebrates Thanksgiving."

"Media beasts took Saddam cash, Rather receives integrity award."

"Ward Churchill tarred, feathered, and run out of town; Dems cite growing anti-war sentiment."

332 NamesAGame  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:49:34am

#313

No Avner. The 1st amendment isn't just a law. It protects loathsome characters like Communists, Nazis, the KKK and even ANSWER. But, it protects us as well. I don't posess the words to explain it as well as this scene from "Man For All Seasons":

WILLIAM ROPER: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law?

SIR THOMAS MORE: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

ROPER: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

MORE: Oh? And when the law was down—and the Devil turned round on you—where would you hide? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons, act 1, scene 6


Amen.

333 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:51:10am

#330 pork rinds for allah

Great nic and post!

Uh, in a sort of reverse Franco, it would seem that Zarqawi dies a lot:Leaflet Says Extremist Al-Zarqawi Killed

Check the date..and the MSM paper that it is on! :)

Apparently he exists on cat food.

334 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:51:53am

Well if they EVER do anything like what the terrorists are doing we'll have to attack.

Eventually true peace will have its day!

335 EddieP  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:52:16am

#330

And if the maggot's goats were liberated

336 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:52:39am

Someone on Omar's blog "Iraq The Model" left this link from Al-Jazeera in which they speculate that the Bin Laden tapes are being produced by the CIA or the Bush Administration. As far as I'm concerned, that's as good as saying he's dead. If al-Jazeera thinks the US is doing it and don't KNOW he's alive, then he's dead. We haven't really had a verifiable tape or siting since Tora Bora. I still say he's under a mountain and has been since Dec. 10/01.

337 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:53:03am

Sorry, here's the link:

[Link: www.aljazeeramagazine.com...]

338 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:55:12am

If thats true, its off down to the pub to knock back a few pints. God, I'll be thirsty. Hope the evil one enjoys his raisins.

339 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:55:32am

287 flip flop,
i bet the bush admin. would pay a lot of money for me to allow my head to be cut off on a so called terror tape.
thats a great idea,
whats in it for me?


Why have we never saw or heard about those “terror” tapes, sent to particular satellite channels in which some notorious armed groups issue threats, show beheadings and claim responsibility for attacks, before 9/11 attacks?
Is it possible that those "terror" tapes that we never heard of before September 11 attacks on the United States, are being cooked up by Bush’s admin and its allies worldwide?
340 JollyFatMan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:55:46am

As with everyone else I am waiting on some sort of confirmation that we got the bastard.

Until then I take solace that we forced 8 slime out of the gene pool via the pink mist exit strategy. Good news brought to you by America's finest.

God bless our soldiers!

JFM

341 bluliner10  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:59:09am

Not to spoil the fun, but nobody knows anything yet. The rumor is Zarqawi might have been there, and 3 of his PSD blew up suicide vests...but before we all go high fiving each other, there was an American killed during the raid too...

Semper Fi

342 NamesAGame  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 10:59:35am

#336

I'd love it to be true, but I don't think so. Remember we got a tape before the elections last year. If I remember correctly, he made mention of the US election and the candidates. That had to have been recent.

Still, we haven't heard anything since... So hopefully our dream came true after that.

343 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:00:41am

#339 ibmkeyboard

i bet the bush admin. would pay a lot of money for me to allow my head to be cut off on a so called terror tape.

Ummm...a posthumous Oscar?

344 indolene  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:01:08am

If this is true, I just want to be on the tread and say:

Right on!

345 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:01:11am

If al-Zark is dead, where will the Dims move the goalposts next?

/spit

346 energyforcapital  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:01:44am

I'll believe it when the scatered
sh*t residue is properly anaysed and confirmed.

347 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:02:20am

Re: my #343 -- PIMF

Dropped the "what's in it for me" from the quote.

348 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:02:26am

#336 fd

We haven't really had a verifiable tape or siting since Tora Bora.

We saw him just before the election endorsing Kerry. The next day SNL spoofed his speech and had him ripping Ashlee Simpson for lip-synching the week before. He was wearing Iranian(ish) robes and talking inside.

349 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:02:59am

I would Love to see the President call a sudden press conference.

Have him walk up to the podium with a hat box under his arm.
Open it up, take Zarqawi's head out, slam it on the podium and say

"We would like to open this conference on a positive note"


Either that or wear parachute pants and suddenly break into that weird MC Hammer shuffle singing "Can't touch this"


Of course there's always
"Another one bites the dust, hey hey.


Just call me a silly little optimist.

350 LSD  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:05:16am

Let it be so ....

351 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:07:16am

#349 VIA

A head-on confrontation with the media?

352 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:10:27am

#351 Shiplord Kirel

A head-on confrontation with the media?


:)


Actually, more like a one off style of presenting information.

353 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:10:50am
#349 Village Idiot's Apprentice

That would sure get those librals going.

354 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:11:39am
MORE: Oh? And when the law was down—and the Devil turned round on you—where would you hide? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

same with religion,
We can not allow people to be imprisoned or tortured because of their religion.
If Muslims or atheists are mistreated,
then what happens when a law is passed against catholic,
Baptist or Jews.
This islamsick religion is the greatest threat we have ever had.
But if laws are passed against it,
What would be next,
who would be next?

355 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:13:26am

If I might suggest,
let's hope these guys aren't doing the identification process.
It could be a while

356 Catttt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:15:20am

349 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Reminds me of a book I read, where a woman does just that. It was a very effective technique. Won't say which book - might spoil it for someone.

357 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:15:30am

Next I want to see Iran's leader and administration destroyed.

Thats America's and Israel's next target!

358 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:18:33am

#356 Catttt

Won't say which book - might spoil it for someone.

Can't spoil it if I can't find it.
Come on, at least give me a hint.

(Please)

359 mungagungadin  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:19:58am

at 3:20 Minnesota time the news hit MSM!

360 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:21:31am

AP is now carrying the story as a possible.

361 Pepcid_Complete  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:22:28am

Does this give them an excuse to ramp down the GWOT?

362 Jakester  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:23:27am

Hope it was another Paleo work accident. If Osama passed the torch to Z, it got snuffed.

363 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:23:31am

#352 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Helen Thomas's reaction could give us the picture of the century.

364 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:23:57am

It would be fitting for it to happen in Mosul, and wasn't Mosul the place where Saddam's wicked sons and grandson were killed in a shootout?

365 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:24:01am

#339 ibmkeyboard
i bet the bush admin. would pay a lot of money for me to allow my head to be cut off on a so called terror tape.

Ummm...a posthumous Oscar?

LOL.

sorry i forgot to leave a tag.

/dumb asses.

366 Bubbaman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:24:48am

It finally made it to AP a couple of minutes ago...

The story that AP cooked was so mind-boggling, though totally in character. I could almost read the tears streaming down the cheeks of the reporter as he thought about his lost hero.

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
7 minutes ago


BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight — some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.

ADVERTISEMENT

Insurgents, meanwhile, killed an American soldier and a Marine in separate attacks over the weekend, while a British soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in the south.

Imagine if they were reporting on the death of Hitler...

"Russian forces sealed off a bunker in central Berlin where Nazi forces were purported to be hiding out. Many died in the gunfight and some appeared to have taken their own lives rather than avoid capture. Russian officials said that efforts were under way to determine whether Hitler was among the dead.

Meanwhile, American and British troops were facing relatively stiff resistance in the Western suburbs of Berlin. Several troops were killed when..."

367 Asylum Aleikum  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:25:13am
According to these two sources, Iraqi and US military forces in Mosul think that Zarqawi, al-Qaeda leader in Iraq was possibly killed in a raid on a house where members of al-Qaeda were holding a meeting.

Whether or not Zarqawi got roasted, this was a joint US-Iraqi operation based on precise intelligence - a definite sign of progress in the war against terrorism.

No wonder quagmire-hungry Dhimmicrats are so worked up.

368 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:25:30am

Ding Dong the Prick is Dead!

fingers crossed

369 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:26:06am

#361 pepcid_complete

If the Dems are stupid enough to listen to Cindy Sheehan, they don't NEED an excuse to ramp down the GWOT.

371 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:27:09am
372 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:27:53am

Al-Zarqawi May Be Among Dead in Iraq Fight

By ROBERT H. REID Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight _ some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead. ...

[Link: localhost...]

373 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:28:12am

If indeed al-Zarqawi has assumed room temperature, it must be a glum day for kennedy, moore-on, kerry and the rest of the libs.

374 Jheka  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:28:20am

Hey, where's Swampy? Someone needs to send out a search party.

375 zombie  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:28:43am

Holy cow. CNN now has this banner:

BREAKING NEWS
Eight people are shot at a shopping mall in downtown Tacoma, Washington, a fire official says, adding shooter is still at large.
376 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:29:00am

#363 Shiplord Kirel

Helen Thomas's reaction could give us the picture of the century.

I would hope rats would gnaw both my eyes out before I ever had to look at another picture of that travisty of humanity.

That woman could not get a date in a room full of drunken sailors, straight off a six month Indian Ocean cruise with no port visits.

And yes, I've been there, done that, and no she couldn't

377 Judith  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:30:07am

Village idiot's apprentice-His picture shows such a simple and mild mannered nondescript geeky looking type to be out committing so much evil.

What is it with mild mannered, nondescript geeky looking types? Why are they always the worst?

378 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:31:08am

Drinking lamp is only lit for beer at the moment. If this gets confirmed, I've got a couple of very nice bottles of wine ready to be uncorked.

379 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:31:27am

Stratfor:

2128 GMT - Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Iraq, the Jerusalem Post reported Nov. 20, citing the Elaph Arabic language media Web site. According to Elaph, al-Zarqawi may have been among a group of eight insurgents killed after their safe-house was surrounded by coalition forces in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, 225 miles north of Baghdad. According to Iraqi officials, an intense gunbattle erupted after U.S. and Iraqi forces surrounded the farmhouse at dawn on Nov. 19. Three insurgents reportedly blew themselves up and the others were killed by small-arms fire.

380 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:31:40am

Whether Zarq is among them or not, eight more Al Qaeda have been sent back to the hell from whence they came.

There are real martyrs here, though: the 4
Iraqi policemen who were killed as they advanced into the terror den.
May they be welcomed into Paradise, whether or not it is precisely the one they expected.

381 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:32:10am

Judith

What is it with mild mannered, nondescript geeky looking types?

Hey, watch it.
I resemble that description

382 Andrew B.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:32:30am

Iran "Votes" to BAN NUKE INSPECTORS

Get a load of this one...like we all didn't see this one calling...

Andrew B.

383 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:34:27am

hey,
who gets the 25 million dollars?

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

384 Judith  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:34:58am
Hey, watch it.
I resemble that description

Sorry about that.

At least I won't have to worry about my two superb grandsons ending up like that. They are far and away too handsome.

385 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:36:26am

Judith

LOL! You're MUCH better looking than any of them.

386 JustDanny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:37:28am

Coward. If it was him among the splodeys. Just like Saddam and all the other heroes of the islamist world. Cowards.

I know girly girls braver than the whole lot of them.

387 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:38:12am

Now when you google just his name *spit*, there are more networks with articles that he may be dead. Iraq: Al-Zarqawi Rumored Killed This is from Stratfor, and seems to be a good one.

There are rumors circulating in the Middle East concerning the possible death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The rumors originated with Arab television, were picked up by the Jerusalem Post and now are alive in several venues.

What is known is that the United States attacked a location in Mosul in which eight individuals were reported killed and burned beyond recognition. It would appear that the attack was triggered by some intelligence and that the intelligence held open the possibility that the command cell of al Qaeda in Iraq was there. The attack either blew up the site or the team committed suicide.

It is interesting that the attack came on the heels of Jordan's intense attack on jihadists within its borders and on anyone linked to al-Zarqawi. This followed the bombings of three hotels in Amman. Today, for example, al-Zarqawi's own family in Jordan condemned him. Jordanian security has lashed out in all directions after that attack. It is speculative -- but not unreasonable -- to assume that the Jordanians, during their crackdown, secured intelligence on the location of al-Zarqawi's command cell.

It is interesting that Israeli sources have jumped so heavily on this report. The Israelis work closely with the Jordanians and it follows that if Jordan was the source of the intelligence, that the Israelis would have access to it. If the United States had picked up the intelligence in Iraq, the Israelis would not have such ready access to it.

All of this is interesting, but it does not in any way prove either the source of the intelligence, its accuracy or that U.S. forces attacked the right target or actually killed al-Zarqawi. The last thing the United States is going to do at this point is claim al-Zarqawi's head, only to have to withdraw the claim when a tape by him surfaces. U.S. President George W. Bush can't afford that. Therefore we would not expect confirmation for a while.

The intelligence therefore is this: There are unconfirmed rumors from multiple sources in the Middle East that al-Zarqawi was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Mosul. This report cannot be verified but it is not, in our view, quite as fantastic as some of the other rumors that have surfaced about his death and those of other jihadists in recent years. Given the timing, it is an intriguing report and we will be watching for other evidence.

When I click on the article I get a sign in...but this is the body of the article. Just tried it on Googl, and it says 'logged in as Google guest. That would explain it.

Here is the list, from Google. It is on it.

388 Talking Stick  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:38:49am

[Link: www.globalgourmet.com...]

Roast Suckling Pig 'a la Zarqawi'

Rub the inside of the pig well with salt. If desired, pepper and sifted sage or ginger may also be rubbed on the inside of the pig.

Mix bread crumbs with peeled and finely chopped apples, onions, chopped parsley and melted butter. Add salt and pepper to taste and enough milk to moisten the mixture. Stuff the pig with this mixture.

Sew openings of pig together. Cover the legs and ears with oiled paper and tie the legs back. Put a corn cob into the pig's mouth to keep the jaws open.

Place the pig into a roasting pan in very hot oven until brown; then reduce heat to moderate until done. Baste frequently with plenty of fat. Do not allow any water or steam to form as it is likely to burst the skin and spoil the meat.

Put the peeled potatoes in the roasting pan around the pig about 3/4 of an hour before pig is done. The time required for cooking the pig is about 10 to 12 minutes per pound.

When done, insert a red apple into the mouth of the pig and place the pig on a larger platter on a bed of sauerkraut. Surround the pig with potatoes and some baked apples.

....I can just see a drooling J Dalmer in Hell's kitchen lost in his own culinary jihad with legs splayed, elbows at three o'clock, and head bobbing over this deliverance. Pray, let it be so.

389 Judith  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:38:52am

Hey, if your grandma doesn't dote on you, no one ever will.

390 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:39:54am
As well as having a US bounty of 25 million dollars on his head, al-Zarqawi has also been sentenced to death in absentia in Jordan in connection with the assassination of an American diplomat in October 2002. In 1994 he began a fifteen year jail sentence for plotting to overthrow King Hussein's regime, but was released in 1999 under a general amnesty. He is remembered by the authorities in Jordan as being a petty criminal, and is often described as barely literate.
391 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:40:40am

#377 Judith

Sort of like John List, geeky guy who murdered his family (and who, when they made a movie about it, was played, ironically enough, by Robert Blake)...

392 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:40:44am
393 Macker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:40:59am

#375 zombie

I wonder if CNN is now grasping at straws to divert attention away from the Zarqawi story?

394 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:42:54am

is the mofo dead?

the suspense is killing me

395 BingoBunny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:44:10am

Yes his head on a pike.. pickled and setting on a dusty shelf in the Smithstonian. But like others have said he dies a lot.. is a way for him to get support back, he lays low in some rat hole while the Arabs protest his murders then come back alive.. a new hero. who fooled US intel that he was dead.

/ and Islam forgives his murders because the nasty Jews and Americans tried to say he was dead.

396 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:44:36am
-- Eight people are shot at a shopping mall in downtown Tacoma, Washington, a fire official says, adding shooter is still at large.

Watch CNN or log on to [Link: CNN.com...] and watch FREE video.
More Americans watch CNN. More Americans trust CNN.

This is the alert they sent out!

No Zarqawi alert, nothing

I know i know, no bias here, keep moving

397 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:44:44am

foxnews.com just picked up the AP story. Damn slackers.

398 Judith  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:45:35am

The regualr media appears to be waking up. Fox is now carrying a "might be" story.

399 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:46:05am

Thanx, NY Nana

...What is known is that the United States attacked a location in Mosul in which eight individuals were reported killed and burned beyond recognition. It would appear that the attack was triggered by some intelligence and that the intelligence held open the possibility that the command cell of al Qaeda in Iraq was there. The attack either blew up the site or the team committed suicide...

Um, I'm goin with the former possibility. I doubt the cowards committed suicide; the brainwashed muslim children are assigned that mission.

I suppose the crispy critters are now looking around heaven (?) for their 72 doe-eyed virgins with hairy legs.

Bwahahaha

400 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:48:05am

Hey...maybe their 72 raisins are modeled on Helen Thomas.

401 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:50:09am

#375 Zombie

Just a "shooter," eh?

I'm almost cynical enough about the MSM/PC/dhimmi paradigm to start seeing information in the omissions.
For example, we can rule out a 30-50 white male with a scraggly moustache, dressed in jeans and a dirty NRA t-shirt, and running toward a beat-up SUV; since they would certainly have said so.
Same for a chubby Asian youth in a black D&D t-shirt.

If the shooter were simply "a man" he might be Black or Hispanic.

A woman in a burqa is still a possibility.

402 JnT  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:50:52am

I realize it may not be Christian-like to wish someone dead, but I hope that mutha-fucka rots in pig-infested hell.

403 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:50:53am

hey atlas,
good to see you,
enjoy you blog.
pictures of charles and some good looking girl.

ibm.

404 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:51:23am

pimf your,your, your, your.

405 Cheesehead  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:51:35am

Zarqari-wrapped in bacon, burnt crisper than charcoal, all in all, a good day!

406 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:51:50am

#399 Freedom Fan

... and discover 100 grammes of raisins there instead.

407 Abu Maven  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:52:17am

Oh.. my.. God. Check out Al-Guardian's headline:

Insurgents Continue Attacks on Military

Sunday November 20, 2005 8:46 PM

AP Photo BAG112

By ROBERT H. REID

Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgent attacks killed an American soldier near Baghdad and a British trooper in the south Sunday, as U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight - some by their hand to avoid capture.

In Washington, a U.S. counterterrorism official said the identities of the suspected al-Qaida members was unknown. Asked if they could include terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the official replied: ``There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

408 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:54:02am
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents killed an American soldier near Baghdad and a British trooper in the south on Sunday, and U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a shootout — some by their own hand to avoid capture.

In Washington, a U.S. counterterrorism official said the identities of the suspected al-Qaida members was unknown. When asked if they could include terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the official replied: “There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed.”

This is now the top story at MSNBC.

409 Cheesehead  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:54:19am

Re: 72 raisins, hairy legs, Helen Thomas, I'm gonna have serious nightmares tonite.

410 oh_dude  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:54:40am

I"M GONNA GET YOU SUCKA!

411 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:54:45am

#406 SpiritOf1683

Dude, Michael Moore will be very bummed if the leader of his cherished Iraqi Minute Men has been snuffed. Who will they find to do the head-chopping now?

412 Birkenstock Cowboy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:55:16am

maybe those virgins look like her.

413 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:55:47am

#407 abu maven

And that surprises you? Now, make sure you scrub thoroughly before eating after visiting that site.

414 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:56:05am

#364 SpiritOf1683

Correct. Uday and Qusay were killed in Mosul.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Somehow I don't think we'll see Zarqawi's post-mortem body like we did Saddam's atrocious sons.

*WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES*

[Link: poetry.rotten.com...]

415 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:56:14am

Top of Yahoo, with added negativity and cut-n'-run of course.
AP uses the Zarqawi as accountant pic and heaps in bad news. So maybe he is dead.

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
Associated Press correspondents Katherine Shrader in Washington, D.C., Sinbad Ahmed in Mosul and Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad contributed to this report.

Reid hates American soldiers with a passion. Every story is loaded with negativity.

416 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:57:49am

#412 birkenstock cowboy

Thanks...I've just had to go gouge my eyes out with chopsticks after seeing that.

417 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:57:49am

#396 atlas shrugged:

Take heart that a bunch of terrorists got their just desserts. If one of them is Zarqawi, even better.

418 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:59:20am

I didn't intend to single out Muslim women in my #401.
An obese hairy-legged feminist in a NOW sack would still be possible, as would an elderly white male in a tie-dyed Che t-shirt (and nothing else) with a gray pony-tail, an inflated scrotum, pierced eyelids, and a bone in his nose.

419 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:00:45pm
an elderly white male in a tie-dyed Che t-shirt (and nothing else) with a gray pony-tail, an inflated scrotum, pierced eyelids, and a bone in his nose.

Oh, please. The first time around was bad enough. Do not bring back those memories, I implore you.

420 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:01:43pm

#396 AtlasShrugged

Ironically, The Tacoma News Tribune is carrying the Zarqawi story, and not the mall story.

421 oh_dude  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:02:34pm

Most of all, I think I will miss Zarq's most excellent guest editorials on Iowahawk.

422 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:02:59pm

#3 Belize042

Will the eulogy be given by George Galloway?

Heh, heh.

/Eddie Murphy off

423 Catttt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:04:39pm

Yahoo News has it as the lead story now (sorry if anyone else already mentioned this).

424 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:06:12pm

#421 oh_dude

If he is in fact toasting in Hell as we e-speak, perhaps Iowahawk can have him do at least one guest editorial from there -- maybe he can interview Hitler, Stalin, Arafish, et al.

425 Godzilla  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:07:07pm

When it rains it pours. Imagine the pathos of the LLL mind. First, they think they've scored mega points with their cut and run stategy last week, but instead are made to vote against withdrawal on Friday night. And now this, Zarqawi dead. How long will it be before they start accusing Rove of hiding Zarqawi's death until an opportune moment, such as now?

426 Sharku  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:07:49pm

Time to get a couple more bags of candy for the kids in the streets.

427 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:08:30pm

The moral of this story is "He who lives by the rusty blade dies by the Hellfire missile".

428 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:08:56pm

423 Cattt

Thanks for the heads up!

429 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:09:04pm

Fox News on TeeVee announced a few minutes ago that Zarqawi may have been killed and that the identities of the dead are being determined now.

430 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:09:42pm

al-Reuters is still mum on the topic.

431 Moira  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:10:32pm

YYYYYYYYYEs!
He could't let his family's disowning of him get too much press, that would have been devestating to "the cause" of al qaida in Iraq.

432 MeanMrMustard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:10:42pm

So if he's dead, who becomes the new head of al-Qaida; Ted "Splash" Kennedy or Michael "Fatbastard" Moore. Somebody at Kos probably knows.

433 TotallySirius  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:11:01pm

If 5 homicide bombers 'sploded their way to hell with Al-Zark then it may take a few days to get the DNA test results.

There probably isn't much left.

I don't consider it a sin to hope for the death of an enemy of humanity.

434 rightasrain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:11:51pm

It's probably been mentioned already (I've been away from the 'puter for a bit), but the possibility of Zarqawi's death is now the lead story on the Jerusalem Post home page.

435 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:12:46pm

#433 totallysirius

I was raised a Catholic, so I don't worry about sin. I can always go to confession, if need be.

436 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:13:28pm

#433 TotallySirius

According to Debka, there are charred bodies. Sounds like more of a fire than an explosion. There's plenty of meat under the extra crispy skin.

437 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:13:40pm

Will the Democrats give him a memorial service, being that they were helping him with his "insurgency" and all?

438 Baldy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:13:53pm

His family & country turned against him, making it more likely someone spilled the chick peas. Of course, Dems will blame it on his being in Gale Norton's Fridgidaire ...I almost typed Gale Gordon :0. Hope it's true.

439 LynnBo  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:13:54pm

#425 Godzilla

Don't give the LLL any ideas! LOL!

440 Moira  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:14:00pm

With that he tried to look like a Martyr instead of a loser.

Hey Al Zarqawi, dude......maybe you should ask those 72 virgins how you really look, man. Yeah groovy.

441 alwyr  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:14:11pm

IF true, the paranoiacs at Kos will have a thread to the effect:

'But, don't you find the timing of this suspicious? Can it really be coincidence, just when Bushliar’s ratings are at an all-time low?'

(That'll keep 'em busy for days!)

442 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:14:12pm

I'm just getting here. Is it too soon or too late to do the WooHoo Dance?

443 oh_dude  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:15:13pm

#424 Professor Chris.

Yes, a Zarq editorial from Hell would be HOT!

We may even get some pics of those elusive 72 virgins I've been hearing so dang much about...

444 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:15:23pm

#436 E2M

There's plenty of meat under the extra crispy skin.

KFZ?

445 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:16:02pm

#442

Probably a bit soon yet.

446 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:16:06pm

#432 MeanMrMustard

So if he's dead, who becomes the new head of al-Qaida; Ted "Splash" Kennedy or Michael "Fatbastard" Moore.

If it's Moore, the new Minute Man refrain will be:
"Give me liberty or give me Domino's"

447 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:16:07pm

444 christheprofessor

More like blackened fish.

448 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:16:51pm

#432 MeanMrMustard

Bet Galloway's sent his CV in

449 Skunk Queen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:16:53pm

If it's a sin to hope for Zarqawi's death then it is also a sin to hope for a cure for flesh eating bacteria.

450 coulterclone  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:17:13pm

OK....so....if Zarqawi is dead....what does that mean? What do we do now? Dead men tell no tales.

451 Amy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:17:38pm

Absolutely nothing on the NY Times website - just negative stories about mosque explosions, protests against alleged prisoner torture, etc.

452 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:18:32pm

#450 coulterclone

What do we do now? Start looking for more targets, of course!

453 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:19:50pm

According to a poster at Free Republic (yeah, I know), a caller to a Tacoma radio show has violated all standards of media-dhimmi decorum by referring to the mall shooter as a "Middle-Eastern male."

The caller is reportedly still trapped in the mall and perhaps can invoke mental distress as a defense for this appalling act of hate-speech.

454 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:19:51pm

#442 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm just getting here. Is it too soon or too late to do the WooHoo Dance?

We don't know yet. But what is crystal, is that if you want to be the first to learn about breaking news, then stay tuned to the blogs. OSM rules.

455 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:20:30pm

#399 Freedom Fan

I wsh we could post a definitive article proclaming Zarqawi dead, and that they found OBL's remains there, too, but so help me, it would be far easier a death than they deserve.

Here, from OSM, is more: Is Zarqawi dead?

456 vtrtl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:20:37pm

once again the moonbats jump offsides... the talk shows are all about a tipping point against the war and the breaking news is that we smoked their number one dude...

it's kind of hilarious really.

458 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:23:56pm

#453 Shiplord Kirel

...a caller to a Tacoma radio show has violated all standards of media-dhimmi decorum by referring to the mall shooter as a "Middle-Eastern male."...

So once again, we must turn to talk radio and blogs to get past the P.C. doodoo to learn about what is really happening in the world.

459 MoonbatBane  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:24:39pm

Looks like a bad day for the Democraps and MSM, what with Zarqawi being killed and all...

460 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:25:24pm

#9 FrogMarch

YES! I hope it's true.

If so, poor Kurt vonnegut. He will be broken hearted, no doubt. *sniff*

SO IT GOES.

461 Jimmah  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:26:05pm

456 vrtlt - That would make a great headline wouldn't it? "US 'losing in Iraq' /Zarqawi dead".

462 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:26:34pm

459 Moon

And may they have many more!

463 Northpaw  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:27:51pm

What a great day. A two bagger. The Bears win and we bag a mass-murdering terrorist asshole. What sucks is that the dime was no doubt turned on him after his, er, publicity mistake in Jordan. Meaning that there's a whole lot of assholes in Jordan and Iraq who will gladly stand by and watch Iraqis and Americans get killed, you know, for fun or something.

464 Skunk Queen  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:28:10pm

#453 Shiplord Kirel

Several other posters claim it was a Caucasian male. Let's not jump the gun with accusations until we get more information. I would be very surprised if this turned out to be a terrorist thing. Shooting people at a mall is not their style. Now if it was a bomb (especially a suicide bomb) I'd bet money that it was a terrorist attack.

465 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:30:12pm

And I will, for the first time ever, go OT :) Send these bastards back to Jordan, where they are from. There is no way on earth for Israel to live in peace with these cretins. Fake kosher food caught in Gaza

Israeli customs officials have seized a shipment of fake kosher sweets being imported to Israel from the Gaza Strip.
A large assignment of "Krembo" sweets - round biscuits topped with cream and chocolate - were accompanied by forged kosher seals and certificates.

The Chief Rabbinate, which oversees all kosher food within Israel, said Krembo biscuits are not usually imported.

Customs staff normally screen goods for signs that Palestinian militants are smuggling weapons or suicide bombers.

The biscuits bore the brand name "Sambo", and were destined for the shelves of Israeli shops before being discovered in a shipment at the Karni crossing point on the eastern edge of the Gaza Strip.

The find came days after a deal was struck between Israel and the Palestinians over the issue of Gaza's borders.

Export danger

According to packaging and documentation, the sweets were produced in a factory in the Erez industrial area in northern Gaza.

Inspectors discovered that the factory did not actually exist.

Customs officials also unearthed fake kosher certification documents purporting to be from the Chief Rabbinate and another ultra-orthodox Jewish authority.

The Chief Rabbinate said it was concerned that substantial shipments of Sambo Krembos had already made their way into Israel.

Suspicions were also raised that the sweets had found their way onto the export market, to be sold in kosher food shops around the world.

One correspondent who emailed Jerusalem's Yediot Aharonot newspaper said he had discovered the same product on sale in Cooper City, Florida.

Krembos consist of a round biscuit base topped by a foamy cream filling, covered in chocolate.

They are a traditional Israeli snack sold only in autumn and winter.

In the spirit of fair play, we should ship them pork rinds, labelled as potato crisps, with all the appropriate certifications, and have the price lower than what they charge. I apologize ahead of time to any pigs who will be sacrificed in this worthy endeavor.

That al-beeb should have this article must be categorized in the 'will wonders never cease' section. I should run this one through Snopes!

466 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:30:50pm

#455 NY Nana

Is Zarqawi dead?
Compiled by OSM staff in Los Angeles
November 20, 2005

The Jerusalem Post was the first to break -- off Elaph Arab media website - the possible death of al Qaeda terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Mosul yesterday. First US link: Little Green Footballs. Associated Press now chiming in. Blogger comment upcoming. From Debkafile: US forces and forensic experts are investigating the bodies of eight high-ranking al Qaeda officials killed in Mosul to see if Zarqawi is among them. Early blog response: Instapundit, Wizbang, Flopping Aces, Iraq the Model (with reports from Iraqi papers on the fire fight).

This is so cool. OSM seems to be serving kinduv like a judge in a contest to see what media source is the fastest and most accurate. 'Course OSM itself is a news source, as well as a clearinghouse...

467 RC neo-Jew  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:31:04pm

#284 NY Nana

Speaking of the Israel-hating BBC, I've posted this link before, but it's worth posting again.

Let the BBC know what you think of their coverage of Israeli-Palestinian news

Write swiftly - closing date 25 November.

468 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:31:24pm

#459 Moonbatbane

"Looks like a bad day for the Democraps and MSM, what with Zarqawi being killed and all..."

If we wake up tommorrow and see Al Qatie Qouric puffy-eyed and wearing her black mourning dress (the one she wore when Saddam was captured) we'll know there was good news overnight.

469 Amy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:31:27pm

Skunk Queen #464

I agree in general, but don't forget that the Egyptian who opened fire on people at the El Al counter at LAX did it with a gun (and the cops declined to label it a "terrorist" attack).

470 markmc  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:33:14pm

#169 Foreign Devil

Very informative post (read it if you have not). If this is indeed the murdering little shit, I think his threats on the life of King Hussein of Jordan were the icing on the cake, following as they did fast on the heels of his Jordanian wedding massacre, etc. By way of pure speculation, I suspect Zarqawi knew his number was up unless he could find sanctuary among his own tribe, which is in Jordan, and these broke down. Ah, to be an arabic speaking fly on Hussein's palace wall.

471 kathyn  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:34:16pm

I'm very late to the thread, but if this turns out to be true, God be praised! I really mean that, God be praised!

It's okay if Zarqawi's death is quick and relatively painless because God can do more to him than we ever could ( and for a lot longer, too.)

472 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:34:31pm

#74 Earth2Moonbat

Does this mean the end of the Iowahawk reports from the field?

Do not underestimate Iowahawk--I am quite sure they have the equipment necessary to get updates from beyond. Which ought to be the most revealing yet, by the way...

473 Amy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:34:40pm

Lest we forget:

LAX Shooting Attack

474 J.D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:35:40pm

From Tapes, a Chilling Voice of Islamic Radicalism in Europe

MILAN - Playing an Internet video one evening last year, an Egyptian radical living in Milan reveled as the head of an American, Nicholas Berg, was sawed off by his Iraqi captors.

"Go to hell, enemy of God!" shouted the man, Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, as Mr. Berg's screams were broadcast. "Kill him! Kill him! Yes, like that! Cut his throat properly. Cut his head off! If I had been there, I would have burned him to make him already feel what hell was like. Cut off his head! God is great! God is great!"

Yahia Ragheh, the Egyptian would-be suicide bomber sitting by Mr. Ahmed's side, clearly felt uncomfortable.

"Isn't it a sin?" he asked.

"Who said that?" Mr. Ahmed shot back. "It is never a sin!" He added: "We hope that even their parents will come to the same end. Dogs, all of them, all of them. You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision."

Unconvinced, Mr. Ragheh replied: "I think that it is a sin. I simply think it is a sin."

The blunt exchange is contained in an 182-page official Italian police report that has not been made public, but is widely available in court circles and frames the judicial case against the two men. "The Madrid attack was my project, and those who died as martyrs were my dearest friends," Mr. Ahmed boasted in one intercepted conversation.

He and Mr. Ragheh, his 22-year-old disciple, will be tried in Milan in January under a contentious law passed after the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States that makes association with an international terrorist network a crime. ...


You own't believe how sick.
OK. You probably will....

475 Monsieur Mystère  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:35:42pm

#444 christheprofessor

KFZ - LOL!

476 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:37:22pm

Watching Intratrade,
The futures on Zarqawi's death/capture are the hottest trading right now and are more than doubled in the last 2 hours.

Thanks to the poster who earlier told me about that site.

477 J.D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:37:35pm

#472 haakondahl
Has the Lexington Herald-Misleader contacted you yet to verify that you are the writer of "the" letter? It didn't make it into today's edition...

478 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:37:45pm

#464 Skunk Queen

I have not reached any conclusions or otherwise jumped the gun. I was reporting what had been said. I also expressed a degree of skepticism about what is, after all, a second-hand report from 2 completely unverifiable sources.
I remind you, however, that "Middle-Eastern" and "Caucasian" are not exclusive categories.

479 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:38:15pm

Osama is alive and active in Pak villages bordering Afghanistan

[Link: www.asiantribune.com...]

If he is indeed Alive, GO GET HIM!

480 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:38:26pm

This would be a great days hunting if not only the number 1 big cheese has been flame grilled, but also the 12th number 2, plus numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 reduced to charcoal.

481 Avner  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:40:06pm

Moroccan Police Dismantle Terror Network

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

482 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:40:34pm

I forgot

Intrade link.

I take this as pretty important.

These guys are actually risking cash to be right or wrong.
Not like the MSM, where only their reputation is at risk.

483 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:41:08pm

#475 Monsieur Mystere

Wow, that must have really made you laugh, to get you to post only your 9th post in over a year! Glad you enjoyed it!

484 goodbye_natalie  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:42:10pm

Assuming this is true, that make the House vote for all to see all the more sweet because of the serendipitous timing.

Suppose Rambo Murtha wants us to run home now waving the white flag? I mean, nothing good is coming from the war. Right?

485 J.D.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:42:37pm

N.Y. Trial Focuses on al-Qaida Ties

NEW YORK - In testimony before a U.S. military tribunal, Saifullah Paracha said he met
Osama bin Laden on a charity mission to
Afghanistan in 1999.

"He delivered the Quran and said he was a prophet. He said very nice things. Very impressive," said Paracha, a Pakistani entrepreneur who split his time between Karachi and New York.

Paracha said he explained that he worked in television and asked bin Laden if he would consider appearing in a film to discuss "the terrorism program." The project never panned out, but the meeting was one in a series that led the U.S. government to declare Paracha enemy combatant and detain him at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The family's interaction with terrorists also led to the arrest of his son, Uzair Paracha, 25, who is on trial on charges that he tried to help get travel documents for an al-Qaida operative planning attacks in the U.S.

The case features competing versions of how the Parachas — outwardly pro-American businessmen with strong ties to New York — became involved with some of al-Qaida's most notorious figures. ...

486 Apu Pibat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:45:41pm

This is awesome news if it's true. I'd like to hear the LLLs tell me we still have to cut and run.

487 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:46:31pm

#473 Amy

And while we're at it, let's not forget the one who was heading for LAX with 100 lb of explosives, and nabbed at the border by an astute (and probably politically incorrect) border guard in Port Angeles, WA. I think he was just recently sentenced by some moonbat judge for 22(?) years, who was patting himself on the back for being so tough.

488 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:48:42pm

watching "House of Strangers"

fingernails bitten down ..........is he dead yet?

489 Amy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:51:01pm

E2m #487

I haven't forgotten. I was following up on my #469 in response to Skunk Queen's skepticism that the guy was Middle Eastern based on the fact that the guy was a shooter rather than a bomber.

490 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:51:48pm

#152 anty

Of all the times I have heard about Zarqawi's death, this one seems to have all of the proper pieces in place for it to happen.

Concur. Since the 4th bomber started singing, I have been waiting for word of Zarqawi's death or capture. We have heard these reports before, but this time, it really feels like the other shoe dropping.

So we could be mistaken, but I'll drink to Zarqawi's death whether he's dead or alive. (Ok, it's starbucks, since I just got to work (It's now 0800 Tokyo), but I'm drinking with you in heart!).

491 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:52:35pm

Agree completely with a lot of the sentiment, here. It won't make a tinkers damn whether Z is dead.

Bush lied remember...if Bush hadn't lied Z would be alive today. In Senator Patty Murray's Idiot, Washington State, words;

SEATTLE – Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., told a group of high-school students in her state that the U.S. should adopt Osama bin Laden's nation-building tactics.

"We've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world?" said Murray, according to the Vancouver Columbian newspaper. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"

Murray said, according to the Vancouver paper, that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?" Murray asked.

"Your generation ought to be thinking about whether we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us," said Murray. "It is a debate I think we ought to have."

Hell, I wouldn't doubt that if Z is dead, the Left would send a delegation.

492 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:54:18pm

The APes have coincidentally put this up within the last hour:

Ex-cellmate says al-Zarqawi was tortured

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — A man once imprisoned with Iraq's most feared terror leader said Sunday that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was tortured regularly by Jordanian prison officials in the late 1990s and was held six months in solitary confinement.

Offering possible partial clues as to why the Jordanian-born al-Qaida leader chose Amman for triple hotel bombings earlier this month, the former cellmate, Yousef Rababaa, said: "He hated the intelligence services intensely, and the authorities didn't know how to deal with his new ideology."

Let the spin begin, just in case.

493 Birkenstock Cowboy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:55:40pm

@#436 Earth2moonbat

According to Debka, there are charred bodies. Sounds like more of a fire than an explosion. There's plenty of meat under the extra crispy skin.

Must have been the 'banned chemical weapon' WP rounds we used.

494 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:57:23pm

Because the first time wasn't enough, the NYT is starting with the Che idolization of a new Fidel/Che wannabe. Somewhere along the line, they washed down the memory hole just what Fidel and Che did in their rise to power. The thousands they murdered, the thousands they imprisoned and tortured, and how Cuba is still a hellhole because of Castro.

Frickin idol worship at the NYT.

495 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:57:28pm

#492 shiplord kirel

Oh, that's just too rich. They're already trying to paint a sympathetic picture of this f*cking butcher.

496 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:57:46pm

#291 Avner - oil.

497 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 12:57:46pm

#492 Shiplord Kirel

Let the spin begin, just in case.

The fact that AP is spinning suggests they believe Zarqawi's dead.

498 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:00:03pm

#492 shiplord kirel:

Zarqawi was released in a general amnesty in 1999 following the death of King Hussein of Jordan. His release in that amnesty has brought suffering to countless numbers of Muslims throughout Iraq and Jordan.

499 sngnsgt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:00:07pm

DUmmies rig another CNN poll questioning the president's Iraq policy while troops are still fighting there.

500 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:01:18pm

If I turn on the radio tomorrow, and all I hear are dirges being played, with periodic breaks to say
"Stand by for an important announcement"

I will either be in the 1950's Soviet Union, or Zarqawi's dead.

I can't wait to hear how he was just a simple man of peace, driven over the edge by the Presidents assault on the RoP.

501 flipflop  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:02:12pm

#499 sngnsgt

I love it...they obviously make a regular practice of it since they say "DU this poll".

502 Abu Maven  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:02:20pm

Bad news: Fox News reports that White House said it was "highly unlikely" that Zarqawi was killed.

503 Gmac  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:02:26pm

If true this is good news the MSM can't hide and the appologists can't refute. I'm not holding my breath but here's to looking forward to confirmation.

504 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:03:06pm

So it might be that the number 9's heading for a big promotion to new number 1 (and number 1 target at the same time)


ULULULULULULUL ULULULULULULUL

505 LynnBo  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:03:21pm

#491 ElCid

Patty says that. This is what an Iraqi says:

"America's agenda-setting press has been quite impressed by the thugs who have been targeting, kidnapping, and murdering defenseless Iraqi civilians. A front-page headline out of Iraq in Friday's New York Times, for example, reads, "Showing Their Resolve, Rebels Mount Attacks in Northern and Central Iraq."

Got that? These murderers have been demonstrating "resolve." Indeed, throughout the battle of Fallujah and in the battles that have followed, American journalists have discovered many impressive attributes in these criminals. According to a week of major-press stories, the "insurgents" are a cunning and courageous band who have been putting up a tenacious struggle.

Here's an alternative headline the Times' staff might have considered: "Showing Their Resolve, Rebels Terrorize Families, Target Children, Disembowel Women, Behead the Elderly."

That's the true nature of the "resolve" these "rebels" have shown. And besides, who anointed these monsters as the defenders of Iraq's sovereign honor? "Rebels" may fit neatly enough in a headline, but these blood-drenched thugs have been waging their war against Iraqi civilians, not on their behalf. Of course, the Iraqi civilians that really interest the U.S. press are generally those who have been killed or injured by U.S. forces."...

read the rest at [Link: iraqpundit.blogspot.com...]

506 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:04:53pm

#213 Avner

OT:

Hey Germans are helping Israel

Your link showed Israel buying 2 - 3 "boomers" from Germany. WHat about a new Lend-Lease, wherein US announces that in the event of hostilities, a boomer will be put at Israel's disposal. While unnerving to many, this would have the effect of unnerving Iranian "president" Ahmad--ahmaedi--ahmaterrorist. It would provide a ridiculously sheer veil of diplomatic distance between America and the ensuing retaliatory Nuclear strike, so that it is not America threatening it as collective self-defense (touchy), but Israel under actual self-defense (clear-cut).

507 Smit  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:06:20pm

Sharon quits Likud?

Report: Sharon to Quit His Likud Party

Sharon is expected to take several prominent Likud Cabinet ministers with him to his new party, along with some from Labor — possibly including its ousted chairman Shimon Peres.

I guess all our Israeli lizards are asleep now?

508 natemannq  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:08:51pm

FNC has potentially the biggest story of the year on their hands (Zarqawi maybe dead) and they can't stop talking about a shooting in a Washington mall in which no one was killed..

Friggin' idiots....

509 Abu Maven  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:09:48pm

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - FBI agents found the same type of volatile high explosive believe to have been used in the suicide bombings in London inside the apartment of a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up near a packed football stadium, according to newly released documents.

[Link: www.9news.com...]

510 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:09:52pm

Hey y'all, apparently we have been duped. Al-Zarqawi is really just a nice guy who has been maliciously villified by the Chimpy McHitler Bush administration for political purposes. Al-Zarqawi is not really a terrorist, nor is there really any such thing as a terrorist threat to the U.S. and western nations:

The US intelligence apparatus has created it own terrorist organizations. And at the same time, it creates its own terrorist warnings concerning the terrorist organizations which it has itself created. In turn, it has developed a cohesive multibillion dollar counterterrorism program "to go after" these terrorist organizations.

Counterterrorism and war propaganda are intertwined. The propaganda apparatus feeds disinformation into the news chain. The terror warnings must appear to be "genuine". The objective is to present the terror groups as "enemies of America."

The underlying objective is to galvanize public opinion in support of America's war agenda.

...Al Zarqawi is often described as an "Osama associate", the bogyman, allegedly responsible for numerous terrorist attacks in several countries...

Who is Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi? by Michel Chossudovsky

511 Abu Maven  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:10:50pm

508 nate

See my post above. Fox is reporting that the White House said it's "highly unlikely" Zawqawi is among the dead.

512 MJ  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:10:55pm

Some comments from the morons at kos:

This would be awfully convenient for Bush

Coming off of Bush's disastrous poll numbers, Reid's demand for accountability and Murtha's withdrawal proposal.
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The guy was dead years ago, then he bounced back to life, and now he's dead again at a convenient time?

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funny how his imminent death should be announced on the same day that bush "softens" his rhetoric v. iraq critics, two days after a horrible display by fellow talking point crooners in congress and only a few days after woodward's cover is blown.

is this a delay tactic for a bounce until the next bounce is needed? does bush like making an example of this insurgent because his name is relatively easy to pronounce?

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513 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:13:42pm

#509 Abu Maven:

Ah, the old 'detergent/acetone' bomb thingie! Interesting. Nothing to see here folks, move along....

514 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:14:45pm

#467 RC neo-Jew

Thank you so much for that. I have the email written, and wanted to BCC you, but instead found that you have a wonderful blog that I now have bookmarked.

I do not think they will be happy with my email, nor do I expect a response.

I left my email addy up if you would like me to send you the email.

515 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:15:07pm

#493 BC

Must have been the 'banned chemical weapon' WP rounds we used.


In future we should always use artillery and 2,000 bombs to be fair.

516 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:15:54pm

Wow, this and the ID thread have been neck-and-neck all day -- both at a few posts over 500 now.

Be interesting to see how long they get and when they peter out....

517 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:15:57pm

# 215 "#17"

in future the US, Israelis or whoever, must deliberatly target civilians linked to terrorist leaders,

NOT gonna happen. That's obscene, and while there is much in war that is obscene, we needn't add to it. We can win this war without becoming our enemy.

I footballed you, because your comment seemed like a drive-by, but you seem to be Okay. (haven't seen you around, and #17 is kind of memorable). So I don't want you to think I'm crapping on you. Just think your suggestion is crap.

518 godfrey  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:16:50pm

MJ

Are any of them saying GW lied about Zarkawi's location so that one brave misguided soldier in the imperialist raid could die for nothing?

If not, the odds are probably pretty good.

519 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:16:58pm

"What Sort of Frenchmen Are They?"

"Alain Finkielkraut. "When an Arab torches a school, it's rebellion. When a white guy does it, it's fascism. I'm 'color blind.' Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable." (Hannah/Opale)"

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

A MUST READ I found on 'No Pasaran'. It's an interview with a respected French-Jewish philosopher and it's terrifying in a way. Well worth reading if you haven't already.

520 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:17:18pm

509 Abu Maven

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - FBI agents found the same type of volatile high explosive believe to have been used in the suicide bombings in London inside the apartment of a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up near a packed football stadium, according to newly released documents.

Ya' know, if they dug a little deeper, they just may, MAY find a little bitty linkage with the Murrah attack.

I still find it hard to believe that JUST a couple of right wing bozo's put that thing together.

521 godfrey  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:17:22pm

That is, the odds are pretty good that they will.

522 natemannq  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:18:43pm

#511 Abu...

I saw FNC say that.. However, I'd like to see that analyzed. Why does the White House say that? How could they know? What do they know? If the bodies are charred, how can they put odds on it? If it wasn't Zarqawi, who was it?

All I'm saying is that it's newsworthy enough to big the biggest story out there right now.

523 Hankmeister  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:19:42pm

There's that freakin' "insurgents" crap again. They are f'in TERRORISTS, you lamestream media numbnuts.

It won't be long before liberals start wearing their al-Zarqawi in profile T-Shirts like they do Che Guevera.

524 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:19:43pm

#499 sngnsgt

That poll is biased by making the option "unpatriotic." Crude, opportunistic, stupid, sure.

525 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:20:49pm

474 JD

From your link:

At another point he said that because he was from Egypt, "How can I learn the computer or the Internet?" He added, "It is not a sin not to know computers."

You have to admit, your average muslim fundamentalist makes a believeable case for ignorance.

526 Birkenstock Cowboy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:21:32pm

CNN has said nothing more about the identity of the gunman at the mall.
Must be one of 'THOSE' people.

Translucent
Humanoid
Obtuse
Sentient
Entity

527 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:22:05pm

They shouldn't report that Al Zarqawi MAY be dead, because it's too soon to celebrate on a MAY. And then if it gets confirmed that he's dead, the happiness is diluted because we had a headsup. Reporters are inept.

528 Earl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:22:10pm

#520 elcid

An ANFO bomb is straightforward to make. ANFO charges are used in our county to blast wells and shallow ponds. Unfortunately, two "bozos" with 200 gallons of FO and a few bags of farm-grade AN could easily have built the bomb.

529 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:22:20pm

#516 christheprofessor

Hi buddy. Been cleaning up the house in anticipation of the onslaught for Thanksgiving, never mind that it took me two hours to clean up from the Thai dinner I had last night here with guests.

Anyway, not going to touch the ID thread. :)

530 MJ  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:23:35pm

#518

Many of the posts question whether al-Zarqawi was a real person or someone Bush and company made up. It's the usual drivel to come from some of those people.
There are some though who actually are glad the guy is dead, if for no other reason than they think it might get us out of there sooner. Many though think he will immediately be replaced, and anyway, we are the ones ( meaning Bush's policies) who created al-Zarqawi in the first place.

Now, I need to go wash my hands after visiting there.

531 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:23:48pm

#294 jester6 - I thought that was a very thoughtful post. Truly. You've put a lot of thought and intellect into it.
But while I believe that we will eventually militarily roll over Iran, Syria, Maybe UAI and, ultimately Saudia Arabia (not with nukes, necessarilly, that will depend on the weapons they have at hand) but with good old fashioned carpet bombing, shelling, air power on dams, some boots on the ground (I figure two brigagdes and maybe one rmored division for Syria - total time 3 weeks or less)mostly we'll starve them out. And blockade them out. Their oil is no good where it is and if the US alone or with some "allied" help wanted to, we could reverse- embargo them; painful for us in the short term, VERY.* Victorious in less than 18 months assuredly. Because of the very nature of the monarchies, theocracies and dictatorships, their people will one day figure out "hey, this is not the way to die - either kabloom or by starvation and just what is it we owe these people in power over us ANYWAY? This is definitely a go to scenario IF we ever make Iraq a functioning, self-protecting and prosperous democracy. We can with time, but as you rightly pointed out, we're too fat and happy for our own good. The desert Arabs from whom they ALL take their basic characteristics is one of one strong leader cuase we on the move all the time, baby, no time for these long drawn out "town hall meeting" type things; it's not in their culture and it's not in their history and it most certainly isn't in their character. And for the French - e, all the other nations who impose food sanctions because the poor people and little kids will die, the answer is now and always has been simple: regime change = food for the poor people and little kids, no more Rolls Royces, trips abroad where they can TOTALLY deny the teaching of Islam, 88 million palaces for a FEW. And frankly if other nations don't have the stomach for it, we dont' need them and they better stay the fuck out of the US NAVY and US AIR FORCE'S way.
This is a truly watershed moment in history if you dicount Alexander the Great and Rome, NEVER in the history of the world has one nation had the military power to tell all the others "screw off", and actually get away with it.

*Speaking of oil, what'll they do if we DO drill Alsaska (and frankly, screw the Caribou)take over Mexico and Venezula (a few more troops, less armor than for the middle east, 6 months TOPS)

532 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:24:09pm

#528 Earl

Unfortunately, two "bozos" with 200 gallons of FO and a few bags of farm-grade AN could easily have built the bomb.

It's not quite that easy.

533 Hankmeister  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:24:18pm

A lot of "freedom fighter" supporting moonbats are having a bad day right now. Wouldn't be surprised if they think evil Bu$Hitler arranged all this for maximum PR. And if true, what an embarassment this mile marker is for cut-and-run moonbats like Murtha.

534 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:24:44pm

#529 rightymouse

Hi. I've been lazing around all day... Should have been cleaning today myself (my father is gonna be here in the morning for a couple/three hours) but I haven't been motivated. Will get up early and do it...

How as the Thai dinner?

535 Buckaroo  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:25:29pm

# 532 reag

granted -- but do you think an Iraqi (or other ME folk) were invovled in OKC? Or can you even answer?

536 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:25:59pm

What the heck is up with Matt Drudge these days? This is a huge breaking story and it's relegated as a side story. His main "story" a lousy pic of Bush with mega font saying "Trying to Escape".

Ugh.

537 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:26:08pm

#465 NY Nana

Krembos consist of a round biscuit base topped by a foamy cream filling, covered in chocolate.

Sounds like Mallomars.

538 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:26:15pm

#216 Shiplord Kirel

That is, the 'dopes are so f***ed up that fluids and even tissue from each have mixed liberally with scraps from the others.

And how can you tell the pre-explosion fluid mixing from the post?

539 coulterclone  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:26:39pm

OT:

Sorry if everyone knows about this already. Looked on Drudge to see if there was a report about Zarqawi there and ran across this:

traitor c**t She-ham exploints dead son yet again to get rich by writing a cheesy book

I'm really sorry it wasn't her burned to a crackly crunch instead of Zarqkrazy....his life is more valuable to us than hers....he could tell us something, she just shits out of her mouth. I'm really sorry she isn't dead. I mean it.

/Pissed

540 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:26:41pm

IF he's dead I expect only 2 minutes will pass before a moonbat accuses Bush of having killed him a while back, put him on ice, and has now brought his carcass out to boost poll numbers.

Random thoughts:

What ever happened to Zarqawi's leg?

How does Jordan have his DNA (from a pulled fingernail perhaps:)

If it was just suicide belts wouldn't we expect the heads to "pop" up more or less recognizable?

541 pettifog  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:26:49pm

I imagine it will be said that the US forces are guilty of some atrocity or other and that Kennedy/Kerry/Murtha/Sheehan et al. will be falling all over themselves to make sure his family is able to sue the U.S. government and Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld personally in Federal Court.

542 yehoshua  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:27:40pm

Who can retell the things
that befell us,
Who can count them?
In every age a hero or sage,
Came to our aid.

543 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:28:19pm

#535 Buckaroo

but do you think an Iraqi (or other ME folk) were invovled in OKC? Or can you even answer?

If I knew, I couldn't say. Since I retired, most of my intel has dried up anyway.

544 Earl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:28:26pm

#532 reaganite

No futher comment from me.

545 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:28:38pm

#508 natemannq

When my phone started chirping with CNN breaking news, I thought it would be about Zarky, but NO! it's about the mall shooting.

MSM? Screw 'em.

546 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:29:36pm

J. D.

No, I got a response from the cartoonist, so I presume that is where the matter was dropped. HE said he considered it a fairly run of the mill anti-CHeney cartoon, and couldn't understand why the "angry" response. Idiot.

I'm in Japan, so I do not expect to be contacted by phone, which seems to be their mode.

547 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:31:03pm

#538 haakondahl

"And how can you tell the pre-explosion fluid mixing from the post?"

Eeeeww! Good point though. I'm glad I'm not the one who has to examine these guys.

548 mattm  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:31:32pm

Let's hope he is really dead. If this is true and the terroists in Iraq stop ther cowardly attacks and Iraqui forces are able to fully takie contril, I bet the ant-war left will take credit when the US troops come out.

549 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:32:10pm

Peace Mom' Sheehan to Release Book
By ANGELA K. BROWN
The Associated Press
Saturday, November 19, 2005; 6:28 PM
FORT WORTH, Texas -- After spending scorching August days with hundreds of war protesters at her makeshift camp near President Bush's Crawford ranch, Cindy Sheehan slipped away each night to her tent or RV for a few quiet moments on her laptop.
The words came easily as she opined about the war, U.S. leaders, her critics, her supporters. And the tears started to flow no matter how many times she wrote about her 24-year-old soldier son Casey, who died in Iraq last year.
"I miss him more every day. It seems the void in my life grows as time goes on, and I realize I am never going to see him again or hear his voice," Sheehan wrote. "I knew he was going to be a great man. I just had no idea how great he was going to be or how much it was going to hurt me."
Now those journal entries are in her book, "Not One More Mother's Child," to be released Wednesday. The paperback also contains some of her speeches to peace groups earlier this year, letters to politicians and writings since leaving Crawford.
"I never wrote anything more than a note to excuse my kids from school before Casey was killed, so to see something I wrote in print with my name on it is amazing," Sheehan told The Associated Press by phone from her home in Berkeley, Calif.
now she will bus all over the country pimping her new book.
she would never use her sons dead body to make money.

550 WineDrinkingInfidel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:32:37pm

If Zarqawi is dead, they can send his remains to my cousin. He's a pig farmer and he'll give that bastard the funeral he so richly deserves.

551 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:34:19pm

What a terrific birthday present.

Happy Birthday to Me!

552 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:34:23pm

Why do they think a blubbering Murtha makes any difference? They should be used to the MSM kowtowing to the DNC and failure by now. This is another Max Cleland. It doesn't work.

553 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:35:36pm

532 Reaganite

#528 Earl

Unfortunately, two "bozos" with 200 gallons of FO and a few bags of farm-grade AN could easily have built the bomb.

It's not quite that easy.

It's not so tough, either. Lots of old boys been blowing stumps with diesel and fertilizer for years. Something about needing permits to get dynamite.

554 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:35:51pm

#551 Bernadette
Happy Birthday Bernie!

555 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:36:03pm
"I never wrote anything more than a note to excuse my kids from school before Casey was killed, so to see something I wrote in print with my name on it is amazing," Sheehan told The Associated Press by phone from her home in Berkeley, Calif.

when will you come to my home for pictures? she asked.

556 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:36:14pm

#534 christheprofessor

I posted earlier on the Steyn thread, we had a troll. But had to get kitchen cleaned up and other things done.

Dinner was great:

Soup - chicken broth base with seasoned ground pork rolled into balls, chopped nappa cabbage, chopped fresh oyster mushrooms, chopped scallions and cilantro. Black pepper, fish sauce and fresh lime juice for seasoning. Then sautee fresh minced garlic in peanut oil until slightly brown. Pour on top of soup and stir.

Chilean sea bass stir-fried with garlic, ginger and chopped scallions. Seasoned with fish sauce and black pepper.

Stir-fried Rabe/broccoli.

Steamed Jasmine Rice.

557 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:36:42pm

505 LynnBo

"America's agenda-setting press

To most all outside of this country, the "America's agenda-setting press", does mean the leftist wing propaganda rag, the NYT.

I wouldn't bare my ass and take a shit on the NYT. Those are vile fucking people, that hide behind one amendment, while trying to rid our Constitution of a number of the other amendments.

Doesn't Sydney Carton (said)... post here...or is that at Tim Blair I've seen him (if it isa he)? And isn't he usually a bit more verbose then

"To hell they will go."
558 Sharku  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:36:43pm

Just some assumptions here, but they should be able to at least trace the DNA to Zarqawi's family line, even if they dont have some of his on file someplace. And I think the explosions were not so much belts as perhaps placed in such an order as to make identifiction very difficult, as these were more burned I think. But ya, the belts do generally leave an intact head.

559 Guy_Philly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:37:03pm

BIN SHTUPID: I wish to complain about this terrorist what I hired not half an hour ago from this very tent.
BAGDAD BOB: Oh yes, the, uh, the Arabian Swine...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
BIN SHTUPID: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
BAGDAD BOB: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
BIN SHTUPID: Look, matey, I know a dead terrorist when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
BAGDAD BOB: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable beast, the Arabian Swine, idn'it, ay? Beautiful towelage!
BIN SHTUPID: The towelage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
BAGDAD BOB: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
BIN SHTUPID: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting at the body bag)
'Ello, Mister Zarqawi Terrorist! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you show...(owner hits the body bag)
BAGDAD BOB: There, he moved!
BIN SHTUPID: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the body bag!
BAGDAD BOB: I never!
BIN SHTUPID: Yes, you did!
BAGDAD BOB: I never, never did anything...
BIN SHTUPID: (yelling and hitting the body bag repeatedly) 'ELLO ZARQAWI!
Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!
(Takes terrorist out of the body bag and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
BIN SHTUPID: Now that's what I call a dead terrorist.
BAGDAD BOB: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
BIN SHTUPID: STUNNED?!?
BAGDAD BOB: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Arabian Swines stun easily, major.
BIN SHTUPID: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That terrorist is definitely deceased, and when I hired it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged rant.
BAGDAD BOB: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the arafish.
BIN SHTUPID: PININ' for the ARAFISH?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
BAGDAD BOB: The Arabian Swine prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable beast, id'nit, squire? Lovely towelage!
BIN SHTUPID: Look, I took the liberty of examining that terrorist when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
BAGDAD BOB: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that beast down, it would have nuzzled up to that zipper, split it apart with its teeth, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
BIN SHTUPID: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this beast wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
BAGDAD BOB: No no! 'E's pining!
BIN SHTUPID: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This terrorist is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!
THIS IS AN EX-TERRORIST!

560 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:37:07pm

#553 razorbacker

It's not so tough, either. Lots of old boys been blowing stumps with diesel and fertilizer for years.

Not since OKC. I cannot and will not explain why.

561 red satellite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:37:40pm

Miss Piggy, Porky, the 3 little pigs, and my Piggy Bank send their regards to Zarqawi's family.

562 Wobenlaughtny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:37:47pm

Are we sure it wasn't a top aide? The guy apparently employed half of the Middle East in that capacity ...

563 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:38:17pm

#554 reaganite:

Thanks sweetie!

My new sweetheart bought me tools for my birthday. A new 4 foot level, a framer's square and a 12" speed square.

Great birthday.

564 olderthandirt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:39:02pm

Murtha is trying to innoculate himself against the corruption investigation into his brother's company KSA and Murtha's involvement with directing business to KSA and to Nancy Pelosi's relatives in San Francisco! So, the timing of the possible Zarqawi hit is also a blessing for Murtha!

565 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:39:20pm

471- Kathyn

It's okay if Zarqawi's death is quick and relatively painless because God can do more to him than we ever could ( and for a lot longer, too.)

That asswipe isn't going to find himself anywhere NEAR God. He's going back from whence he came...from the malignant depths of hell.

566 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:39:50pm

#537 Who Watches the Watchmen?

My thoughts exactly, but afrer oberving kashrut for about 32 years, they are but a wonderful memory.

On ABC News just now: a source travelling with President Bush in China says that WH sources say it is 'highly unlikely' re Zarqawi...however they also say he always travels with a homicide belt, and will not be taken alive. They say that Jordan supplied the CIA with his DNA a year ago, and in the 'highly unlikely' chance it is him, they will be able to identify him...

I have the sweetmeats ready, in case, and sadly, a case of laryngitis will keep me for ululululululating verbally.

567 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:40:11pm

Happy B-day, {Bernadette}!

568 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:40:34pm

539 coulterclone

/cindys book.
mind meld.
lol

569 Smit  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:40:44pm

If it is confirmed it is Zarqawi, I'll be ululululululing and passing out candy on the dead thread tomorrow.

570 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:41:49pm

Ooops! The 'youts' are at it again!

[Link: no-pasaran.blogspot.com...]

571 # 17  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:41:58pm

517 haakondahl

I appreciate your point of view, but disagree.

572 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:42:04pm

If he's really dead, will there be a house swarm?

573 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:42:21pm

#278 MJ

Damn, what an atrocious quote. I try to empathize with this man whose son was killed, but fail when I hear what he says. So I figure that he has simply come unhinged, much like Cindy Sheehen (sorry for the language!). Unlike SHeehan, however, Michael Berg has not been successfully vacuumed up into the Democrats' machine.

I used to be really torn about Sheehan, but she has used up her share of sympathy through her vitriolic pissing on Bush, the administration, the war, the right, the military, veterans, and finally, even her own son, through celebrating the goals and means of the very men who killed him.

p.s. Trying to work my way through the thread; morning at work, had a cancellation.

574 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:43:35pm

#556 rightymouse

Sounds great!

Looked at the Steyn thread, didn't see a post about it... You had a troll for dinner? How'd it taste? I always assumed they'd be gamey....

575 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:44:08pm

560 Reaganite

Not since OKC. I cannot and will not explain why.

Good enough. I haven't done it myself since the summer of '75.

576 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:44:26pm

553 razorbacker,

It's not so tough, either. Lots of old boys been blowing stumps with diesel and fertilizer for years. Something about needing permits to get dynamite.

ive got some stumps need blowing away.
do you know the mixture.

my wife thinks im going to blow up a mosque,
no dear,
that is not legal.

577 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:45:02pm

#570 foreign devil

The yutes are at it again?

578 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:46:55pm

#285 ElCid

278 MJ
People ask me why I focus on putting the blame for my son's tragic and atrocious end on the Bush administration. They ask: "Don't you blame the five men who killed him?" I have answered that I blame them no more or less than the Bush administration, but I am wrong: I am sure, knowing my son, that somewhere during their association with him these men became aware of what an extraordinary man my son was. I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to [sic] it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

Bingo

cTp

My statement was embellishing what this was...NO what I said, "Zarqawi got to know my son", was not what Michael Berg stated.

I have bolded the portion of the quote above, in case anybody wants to point to this in the future as an EXCELLENT example of the way in which LGFers typically fact-check and self-correct. This is what sets us apart, indeed above, the rest.

Magnificent Lizards!

579 Yanke Diver  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:49:02pm

Find Zarcowweewee's head. Remove head from pig. Sew head on pig. Hoist on flag pole at Syrian border.
Film process & forward copys to Al Jazera, Theran, Damascus, Ryiad & Michael Moore courtesy of the USMC.

Hoo Raa!

580 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:49:12pm

Now it is official; al-Reuters has spoken! :) US investigating whether Zarqawi among Iraq dead

U.S. authorities are looking into whether al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in a gunfight in Mosul, a U.S. official said on Sunday, but a White House spokesman said that was "highly unlikely."

"Efforts are under way to determine whether Zarqawi was among those killed," the U.S. official, in Washington said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He did not give any additional information.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy, traveling with President George W. Bush in Asia, said the report was "highly unlikely and not credible."

Notice their side bars re Israel. Carl, what say you re Sharon? (that can be printed...)

581 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:49:54pm

#567 {CTP}

Thanks!

582 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:50:11pm

560 reaganite

I cannot and will not explain why.

Awwwww, come on reag...please, please, please..promise, cross my heart, and all that other shit...we won't tell a soul.


On Mars


LOL.

583 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:52:18pm

#563 Bernadette,

New sweetheart? More info please. Does he know that you have a homicidal maniac for a frind who will cut his balls off if he hurts you?

Enquiring minds want to know.

{Bernadette}

584 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:52:19pm

Bernadette

Happy, happy...didn't you just have one cTp? If so...happy to you as well.

585 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:53:12pm

#582 Elcid

Awwwww, come on reag...please, please, please..promise, cross my heart, and all that other shit...we won't tell a soul.

Nope, Ann would kick my ass.

586 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:54:13pm

This just in:
Yasser Arafat is still dead!

587 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:55:20pm

#583 IF:

I have not told him specifically about you, dearest.

But this one, I think may be a keeper. So far, I have found nothing wrong with him. He's a professor (not CTP unfortunately) and executive director of a business institute at a major university. And a former Marine - recon 2nd. Spent time in Cambodia. Purple heart, silver star, blue eyes. What more could a girl ask for?

And he thinks my tool belt is sexy.

588 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:55:25pm

Zarqawi-dee-doo-dah, Zarqawi-dee-ay
My, oh my it's a Zarqawi free day!
Open up Hell, Zarqawi's headed your way
Zarqawi-dee-doo-dah, Zarqawi-dee-ay

Hey, even if it's not true this time, sooner rather than later Zarqawi's going to eventually meet Arafat in Hell.

/what I want to know is, when they finally meet, which one will roar like a tiger and which one will yelp like a hyena?

589 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:55:27pm

#584 Elcid

Yes, I did, and thank you!

590 Ann  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:56:47pm

#583 Iron Fist

Does he know that you have a homicidal maniac for a frind

That really shouldn't come up until the second date, best I remember...

591 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:56:51pm

#587 Bernadette

He's a professor (not CTP unfortunately)

Awwww, shucks!

592 Guy_Philly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:57:22pm

Regarding # 559, I guess no one appreciates British Humor! Come on, no comments?

593 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:57:41pm
This just in:
Yasser Arafat is still dead!

lol

did yall know that john kerry served in vietnam?

594 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:57:54pm

#587 Bernadette,

Congratulations hon. You deserve far better than you had. I love you much, sister.

595 Radian  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:58:42pm

582

Ammonium Nitrate produced for fertalizer has been reformulated to make its use in bombs more difficult.

This also makes it unusable for Nitrous Oxide for all of those who enjoy making hippie crack..

596 Mr. Beamish  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:58:55pm

Damn.

I hope they hit Zarqawi in the mouth with one of these.

597 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:58:56pm

Bernadette

What more could a girl ask for?

34" tall, with a flat head you can set your drink on.


And... be able to breath thru his ears?


Seriously, he sounds like a good guy.
Good luck.

598 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:59:26pm

585 reaganite

Nope, Ann would kick my ass.

LOL.

599 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 1:59:31pm

588 Killian Bundy

roflol

600 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:00:09pm

499- sngnsgt

DUmmies rig another CNN poll questioning the president's Iraq policy while troops are still fighting there.

It's not unpatriotic to question the policy (as the poll is worded)...but it IS unpatriotic to UNDERMINE the war which is what they are all doing. So the poll is disingenuous.

601 Earl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:01:00pm

#582 elcid

Parsing reaganite, and having drawn some broad inferences from his past posts:

I [legally] cannot [due to various employment and national security restrictions] and will not explain why [since, if I were to do so, I would either be sanctioned criminally or I would have to hunt you down like a bug and remove your brain stem from your still living body].

Or something like that. Heh.

602 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:01:09pm

576 ibmkeyboard

ive got some stumps need blowing away.

Refer to post 575. The expert says it can't be done now.

If you want to blow stumps without a diesel/fertilizer bomb, I'd recommend Pyrodex, or black powder. Easy to get, easy to handle, easier to set off.

603 adam henry  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:03:23pm

if that scroat really did die, they should scrape up whats left of him and feed him to pigs. then take the pigs and make them crap in his relative's houses/caves. then take his relatives and get a giant blender. then put his relative's feet in the blender and turn it on. then make his relatives drink their own feet mixed in with a little pig crap. i could go on but i think i will stop here.

604 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:03:56pm
This also makes it unusable for Nitrous Oxide for all of those who enjoy making hippie crack..

durn,
i knew it tasted weird.

605 Birkenstock Cowboy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:04:00pm

Happy Birthday Bernadette.
May you have many more and the health to enjoy them.

SP-Divers

606 MJ  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:06:31pm

# 573 & 578

The entire Micahel Berg op-ed appeared in the Guardian. Here's a link to the piece:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

George Bush never looked into Nick's eyes

Even more than the murderers who took my son's life, I condemn those who make policies to end lives

Michael Berg
Friday May 21, 2004
The Guardian


My son, Nick, was my teacher and my hero. He was the kindest, gentlest man I know; no, the kindest, gentlest human being I have ever known. He quit the Boy Scouts of America because they wanted to teach him to fire a handgun. Nick, too, poured into me the strength I needed, and still need, to tell the world about him.....

607 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:07:01pm

Update: The Tacoma mall shooter is in custody and has been identified as one Dominic Maldonado (MSNBC, no link yet).

608 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:07:39pm

#601 Earl

Or something like that. Heh.

LOL!

Actually, the information is easily found on the web. Charles and I both agreed years ago that LGF will not be a bomb making info site. I inform him when people are posting that kind of information and he deletes their comments.

609 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:08:42pm

razorbacker,
thank you very much,
will do tomorrow.

If you want to blow stumps without a diesel/fertilizer bomb, I'd recommend Pyrodex, or black powder. Easy to get, easy to handle, easier to set off.


if you dont hear from me again,

allah snackbar.

610 Truth Dr.  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:09:31pm

If it really is Zarqawi, they should take whatever's left of him, wrap it in pigskin, deep fry it and serve it to the Mullahs of Iran.

611 Terp Mole  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:10:33pm
The Tacoma mall shooter is in custody and has been identified as one Dominic Maldonado

The actor in Newsies?

612 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:10:56pm

Still no MSM or Drudge. Only Fox still with story. The Dems will be devestated if true.

613 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:11:10pm

#594 IF:

Thanks brother. And for all the venting I did to you this past year. I do deserve better than I had. And this one is beyond description.

#597 VIA:

That sounds like second runner up...

614 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:12:06pm

reganite,
dont delete my stump blowing remark.

remember i backed you up at the raleigh airport.
lol

615 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:12:52pm

#313 Avner

Why cant America make the KKK, Neo-Nazis and other hate groups illegal?

I know about freedom of speach but give me a break. They should make those illegal

I know what you mean. I feel this way at times myself. But fortunately and unfortunately, this is exactly the type of thing protected by the First Amendment. Not the KKK et al, per se, but the niche they fill as widely-disapproved of, poorly-thought-out platforms advocating idiotic & sometimes criminal action. Let them be charged for the obviously criminal aspect of actions & incitement when applicable, but the group itself is not outlawed, and neither are the individuals' rights.

Look at hate-crime legislation, which verges into hate-though legislation at times. Personally, I cannot understand wy we need some imaginary new category of crime as motivated by "hate". "Hate Speech" is just free speech spoken by a hateful person. And last time I check, there's no law against being hateful, ornery, obstructionist, crotchety, or any other such thing.

It is not a far jump to say that Anti-Islamic-Terrorism is Zionism, and that Zionism is a hate crime. Think I'm wrong? Check out a University near you.

616 Radian  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:13:01pm

576 Stump Killer

You can legally buy binary explosives to blow up stumps. Fixor is a popular brand.

They are not exposives until mixed. However the blasting cap is subject to regulation per state.

Unless you just really want to blow something up, rent a CAT and use it. $300 bucks, same fun, less chance of removing body parts.

617 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:13:25pm

609 ibmkeyboard

razorbacker,
thank you very much,
will do tomorrow.

If you want to blow stumps without a diesel/fertilizer bomb, I'd recommend Pyrodex, or black powder. Easy to get, easy to handle, easier to set off.


if you dont hear from me again,

Wait, wait, wait, before you go...just in case you're not as smart as you look...can I have your horse?

618 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:15:19pm

#605 Birkie:

Thanks!

BTW, if I need my hull inspected, you will be the first person I call...

619 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:15:23pm

578 haakondahl

I have bolded the portion of the quote above, in case anybody wants to point to this in the future as an EXCELLENT example of the way in which LGFers typically fact-check and self-correct. This is what sets us apart, indeed above, the rest.
Magnificent Lizards!

Well, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express® last night...Oh yeah and I saved myself a bunch of money on my car insurance, by switching to GEICO®.

Seriously haakondahl , thank you.

620 Timbre  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:15:50pm

Even if it is not Zarqawi, at least 8 more Sons of Terror have been sent to the Torment of the Grave. It won't stop here, though. We must continue to kill and capture the hundreds of thousands of Islamists and their sympathizers until the clique is perpetually weakened from loss of members.

621 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:16:19pm

I tend to be pessimistic when I hear news reports that another high-ranking Muslim terrorist, er I meant militant has been killed. That way if the story is false I don’t get my panties in a wad, and IF it’s true, then I can jump for joy. Then, I asked myself, what spin would the media put on this if Mr. Z has been disintegrated? Better yet, what would they do if Osama kicked the bucket? We saw the adulation showered upon Arafat after his tardy demise, how would they portray Osama after he dies? From past experience, most of the stories will portray the US negatively. If Zarqawi is actually dead this time, the media treatment of his death will be a good indicator of how the media intends to portray Osama’s death.

622 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:16:20pm

#614 ibmkeyboard

dont delete my stump blowing remark.

I have no such power!

remember i backed you up at the raleigh airport.

Huh?

623 easy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:16:40pm

Heck of a game in Cincy right now.
Any further word on whether reports of Zarqawi's are credible

624 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:17:45pm

Heh, did you quys read Michelle today or late last night. She went binary (to use radian lingo). Pissed-off at the LLL. See Yellow Girl doing a White Mans Job:
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

625 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:17:54pm

#611 terp mole

You had to have googled that, since Maldonado the actor is almost unknown otherwise.
I suspect a typo on the blurb but it is not impossible it's the same person.
The shooter is described as clean-cut with dark blonde hair. The shooter's age wasn't specified but the actor is 30.

626 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:18:55pm

617 razorbacker,
roflol with tears,

my horse s name is trigger,
he is so old all his teeth are gone.

but i whispered in his ear,
im gonna make soap outta you,
and keep you around the house for another 30 years.

627 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:20:01pm

#624 pat

See Yellow Girl doing a White Mans Job:

That's the tolerant left for you.

628 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:20:14pm

Frankly, if they ever do catch Zarqawi, I saw a video on Ogrish about a piking (pikestaff shoved up through body and out left shoulder...really grisly) which might just be suitable for him. Leaves the victim still squirming till he expires. I liked it...for HIM anyway!

629 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:22:40pm

Bernie! You're back! How did the Habitat projects go?

/Or maybe you've been back and I've been missing?

630 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:22:58pm

601 Earl

I [legally] cannot [due to various employment and national security restrictions] and will not explain why [since, if I were to do so, I would either be sanctioned criminally or I would have to hunt you down like a bug and remove your brain stem from your still living body].

You got that right, Earl.

Oh and it ain't the BS reaganite at 608 said...What you said, is the truth...LOL.

631 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:23:22pm

#627 reaganite
It is actually painfully embarrasing to read the racsist, scatological e-mails Michelle posted as examples of what she recieves from liberals, many apparently in academia.

632 Prester John  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:24:41pm

Slightly off topic but a neat little story about the SAS taking out three suicide bombers before they had time to strike.

[Link: news.telegraph.co.uk...]
Shortly after 8am, Arabic translators, monitoring listening devices hidden inside the house, warned the operations centre inside the militarily controlled green zone that the three terrorist were on the move. The message "stand by, stand by" was dispatched to the four teams.
As the terrorists entered the street, a volley of shots rang out and the three insurgents slumped to the ground.
Each terrorist had been killed by a single head shot - the snipers having spent the past few days rehearsing the ambush in minute detail.

Notice how the Telgraph actually calls the suicide bombers "terrorists" and not insurgents, Freedom Fighters, etc.

633 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:25:38pm

#512 MJ

Some comments from the morons at kos:

This would be awfully convenient for Bush

Coming off of Bush's disastrous poll numbers, Reid's demand for accountability and Murtha's withdrawal proposal.

is this a delay tactic for a bounce until the next bounce is needed? does bush like making an example of this insurgent because his name is relatively easy to pronounce?

Like the rest of the idiot Democrats, the kossack morons care about the polls and nothing but the polls.

Musab al-Zarqawi is "this insurgent" whose name is easy to pronounce? Gawwwd they're blind.

634 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:28:02pm

#630 Elcid

Oh and it ain't the BS reaganite at 608 said...What you said, is the truth...LOL.

Ask the ex poster named War Mongering Infidel. He pulled a Yair and got himself banned over posting bomb making info...

635 Blackacre  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:28:53pm

#627 - reaganite, #631 - pat:
The emails in question that Michelle receives are utterly repugnant. No one, least of all her, deserves that kind of sick and twisted abuse.

636 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:29:19pm

#631 pat

It is actually painfully embarrasing to read the racsist, scatological e-mails Michelle posted as examples of what she recieves from liberals, many apparently in academia.

You are so right. The L³ has said some truly vile things about her.

637 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:29:36pm

Well, haven't been around for the last couple of weeks, but happy to see the usual suspects doing the usual. :)

Hope the slime is dead and answering to God. Amen and amen.

Happy BD, Bernie!

638 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:31:11pm

#635 Blackacre

No one, least of all her, deserves that kind of sick and twisted abuse.

They hate her because she posts the truth and she is a republican. They hate anything that proves their world view is insane.

639 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:31:48pm

reaganite.

i backed you up when you got in the fight at the airport.

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

640 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:31:50pm

#637 Bob's Kid
How are you holding up my friend?

641 Blackacre  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:32:07pm

#637 - Bob's Kid:
Welcome back.

642 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:32:58pm

Yahoo now leading with the story. Yahoo never puts out a pro-America story unless forced by the obvious. Confidence goes up a bit. Call in Uncle Al for a mouth swab.

643 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:33:26pm

#639 ibmkeyboard

i backed you up when you got in the fight at the airport.

LOL, I forgot about that!

644 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:33:37pm

Bob's Kid!

Glad I was able to see you; you were missed.

645 Radian  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:33:39pm

Legal Disclamer

I posted no information about making bombs. Only the name brand of a legal product used by farmers to blow up beaver dams and stumps.

Any person who goes into southern states (the store) and tries to buy amonium nitrate products in bulk should get a visit.

646 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:34:15pm

#629 Swamps

You did escape from where Sarah D. was holding you hostage! :) Lizards have been looking for you. And she even let Mr. Swamps go, too!


#637 Bob's Kid

I am so sorry that you lost your father.

647 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:35:16pm

#631 Pat

It is actually painfully embarrasing to read the racsist, scatological e-mails Michelle posted as examples of what she recieves from liberals, many apparently in academia.

She's such a beautiful and intelligent person; why would she attract such vitriol?

/Oh, wait....I think maybe I can figure it out....

648 godfrey  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:35:52pm

551 bernadette

You say it's your birthday? It's my birthday, too, yeah!

Just shy of forty.

649 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:35:52pm

Reaganite

This is for you....

650 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:37:04pm

#637 Bob's Kid

I'm very sorry to hear of your father passing away.

651 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:38:04pm

addendum to my 630

Earl I have a couple of good friends one is a Former S.E.A.L., the other an assistant aide to a few higher ups at Mac Dill AFB.

I asked them him a few questions (knowing they'd never say anything, but just to see reactions).

The Former S.E.A.L. told me the old...I could tell ya', but I'd have to kill ya'.

The other, always told me, he was setting up APO's. Like in Nicaragua, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan...LOL.

652 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:38:29pm
#637 Bob's Kid
How are you holding up my friend?

Hanging in there, thanks, Reaganite. It ain't too much fun, but there you have it. We've got a lot to do, that's for sure. Having someone die tends to bring out both the best and the worst of people, and my sis and I have to field it all. And we miss our Dad something fierce already!

Welcome back.

Thanks...I don't know that I will be around all that much, but it is nice to hang around a while at least!

653 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:39:03pm

#639 ibm

That had to hurt. Drinking and sword fighting don't mix I quess.

654 Blackacre  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:39:57pm

#638 - reaganite:

They hate anything that proves their world view is insane.

Dr. Sanity, who has quite a knack for revealing how insane their world view is, has been getting her share of hate mail, too. See Friday, November 18, 2005, "A Response to All My Hate Mail."

655 Radian  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:40:21pm

Bob's Kid

God bless.

656 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:40:26pm

#646 NY Nana

You did escape from where Sarah D. was holding you hostage! :) Lizards have been looking for you. And she even let Mr. Swamps go, too!

They were? Was a rescue party formed? Did they have plenty of beer? They could have bought my freedom with a 6-pack.

My uncle passed this morning; I've been up at my mom's place in Georgia today.

Oh, talked to American Soldier today; he's alive and well in Louisiana. I'm hoping one of those Cajun gals will show him the error of his ways in bein' a Yankee and move him down here permanent.

657 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:41:15pm

And thanks for all the e-mails so many of you have sent...just haven't had the chance to reply yet.

Glad I was able to see you; you were missed.

The same back to y'all...an island of sanity in a sea lf lunacy this is!

658 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:43:55pm

#657 Bob's Kid

And thanks for all the e-mails so many of you have sent...just haven't had the chance to reply yet.

Please, don't burden yourself further! We understand.

659 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:46:27pm
Oh, talked to American Soldier today; he's alive and well in Louisiana. I'm hoping one of those Cajun gals will show him the error of his ways in bein' a Yankee and move him down here permanent.

Glad to hear it...I think of him often, hoping he's doing fine down there.

660 pat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:47:25pm

#647 SwampWoman
Yeah. Back in February, when she first released these e-mails, I suggested to Ms Malkin that in my humble opinion more than a few seemed to be drafted by the same person, and that some seemed a bit too thematic.Too many claimed the authors were Filipino, but in fact I sensed the authors were not by their too casual use of negative stereotyping. I suggested she review the server info to see if the servers were located in the same city and if so she had a cyber stalker on her hands.

661 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:47:30pm

Bob's Kid & SwampWoman

Sorry to hear that BK & SW....thoughts and prayers for both of you and your families.

662 Psicattus  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:49:19pm

Must we dance in the streets if this turns out to be correct?

Because it's chilly here and I don't want to catch a cold

663 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:49:38pm

godfrey - Happy Birthday to you, too.

Me? 47 today and celebrating every day of every year that got me to this point.

Swampie, Bob's Kid:

Thanks! Just returned from Louisiana yesterday. Some info here.

664 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:49:39pm

#649 christheprofessor

This is for you....

Actually, that's more suited to Ann...

665 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:50:57pm

#652 Bob's Kid
Our thoughts are with you.

666 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:53:02pm

#654 Blackacre

"A Response to All My Hate Mail."

Disgusting people.

667 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:56:26pm

I suspect it takes at least 48 hours to DNA test the hamburger.

668 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:56:56pm

godfrey

Had a birthday too?...Happy godfrey.

How many damn Scorpio's do we have here, anyway?

669 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:57:05pm

BTW - good detective work, Charles.
Fingers still crossed that the news it true.
Champagne standing by...

670 phxthinker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 2:58:27pm

If Zarq's condition has been upgraded to dead, I suspect our guys have a pretty good idea by now. (burned skull and DNA sample) Normally I would expect Bush to make a brief statement confirming the information. However, that can't be done until absolutely certain. The latest WH response was 'highly unlikely' but nothing more. With Bush on his way to Mongolia, when would he make the announcement? If not Bush, would someone else be cleared to release the information? And if so, who?

671 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:00:01pm

#664 reaganite

Actually, that's more suited to Ann...

I figured I'd let you make that call...

672 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:00:53pm

Ya know, Swampie, one of the really bad things about getting into deep middle age is that you start losing the previous generation...and it sucks, big time. I hope your mom's doing okay at losing her brother (assume it's that side of the family?).

673 reaganite  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:03:40pm

#671 christheprofessor

I figured I'd let you make that call...

She worm burned her ball into mine last week, sending mine from the middle of the fairway to the rough. She also put her ball into a hazard, right in the middle of a bird nest...

674 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:03:59pm

HAPPY BIRTHDAY...

PRINCESS BERNIE

EL CID

GODFREY


Best wishes...

BG

675 Bubble Girl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:04:46pm

BOB'S KID

{BOB'S KID}

676 phxthinker  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:06:38pm

At top of the hour FOX News stated "The Pentagon says it has no confirmation that Zarq has been killed and WH spokesman calls it highly unlikely."

Crap,crap,crap. He has to be alive every time, we only need him dead once.

677 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:06:41pm

Thanks, BG...I am definitely feelin' the love from all of you!

678 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:08:51pm

Bob's kid - I had no idea. I was wondering what happened to you. I'm sorry. Hang in there, ok?

679 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:09:37pm

Is it Elcid's B-day, too?

Happy B-day, Elcid and Godfrey (already wished Bernadette a good one)....

680 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:10:32pm

Thanks Bubbles!

{Bob's Kid} sorry. I didn't know...

681 EW1(SG)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:13:20pm

#321 godfrey:

9mm pointed in your direction, what do you do?

Drive on.

682 coulterclone  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:13:55pm

All the big "news" organizations are quoting WH source as saying Zarqawi's death "highly unlikely". Too bad.....on the other hand, I'd like them to take the son of a bitch alive and then show the UN what the real definition of torture is.....I hope that they will afford Cindy She-ham the same treatment should she ever be taken alive. As for me, in the end I'd like to see Zarqawi and She-hams corpses side by side, arm in arm, with Zarqawi's balls sticking out of She-hams mouth, burning atop a heap of Korans.

/still pissed

683 Mr. Frank  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:14:39pm

Wasn't Zarqawi missing part of a leg from the war in Afghanistan? That would be a tip off to his identity.

684 Paul  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:15:49pm

#672 Bob's Kid

...one of the really bad things about getting into deep middle age is that you start losing the previous generation.

What you say is so true. My parents, aunts and uncles are all gone now and I realize every day how much I miss them. Still I find great joy with my sisters, my nieces and nephews and now my grand nieces and nephews.

685 sngnsgt  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:18:02pm

SCORPIO here, mine was the 16th

686 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:18:41pm

Swamps,

I am so sorry about your uncle.

Nope, no beer. Why didn't I make a deal with Sarah? I didn't even think of it.Seriously, there were posts asking where the heck you were. We didn't know about your Uncle. Sarah told a certain nervous Jewish mother who will remain unnamed that the drive was about -5+ hours, and that Mr. Swamps was driving. Since he can see over the steering wheel nicely, I didn't worry till lizards started asking. I nearly called you, but with laryngitis you might have thought it was an obscene call from Kermit the Frog.

Bob's Kid

It is the pits. I was 45 when I lost my parents zt'l 15 days apart, and am an only child. Don't try and answer everyone. We know what you are going through. Take care.


Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Re that POS, I am not as hopeful as I was. The newsbreak on Foxnews said that the US highly doubts he was even near the house. Oh, do I hope they are wrong.

687 Ann  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:22:43pm

#677 Bob's Kid

I sent you an email.

A heartfelt thanks to all of the parents who taught us the ethics needed to be content. And to understand the lives that we live.

688 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:23:07pm

#686 NY Nana

Nope, no beer. Why didn't I make a deal with Sarah? I didn't even think of it.Seriously, there were posts asking where the heck you were. We didn't know about your Uncle. Sarah told a certain nervous Jewish mother who will remain unnamed that the drive was about -5+ hours, and that Mr. Swamps was driving. Since he can see over the steering wheel nicely, I didn't worry till lizards started asking. I nearly called you, but with laryngitis you might have thought it was an obscene call from Kermit the Frog.

Mr. SwampMan was talking incoherently when we got home, but that may because of being in close proximity to me and Sarah simultaneously. Seriously, I told him to pull the truck over and let me drive, but he thought it was his manly duty. Whatever. I switched the station frequently to rap and that pissed him off enough to keep him awake.

689 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:23:23pm
Oh, do I hope they are wrong.

Me too!

690 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:24:27pm

#681 EW1 (Huge enthusiastic hug)

Glad to see you're feeling better!

691 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:25:03pm
692 Bernadette  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:25:09pm

#681 EW:

Hey guy!

Guess what I brought back from Louisiana?

A case of "bald" peanuts.

693 Athos  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:25:49pm

Bob's Kid
- Condoleneces on your father

My prayers to you over that hard loss.....


Swamp Woman
- Condolences on your uncle

My prayers also to you over your loss.....


I may be an optimist - but I am thinking that my work schedule might be slowing down enough to permit me to rejoin some degrees of sanity via LGF - the next couple of weeks look like a nice break for my business and other responsibilities until a new onslaught after the New Year.

694 HDrepub  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:25:56pm
How many damn Scorpio's do we have here, anyway?

I'm a Scorpio, but don't know about the DAMN part. :)

695 Bob's Kid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:26:37pm
grand nieces and nephews.

I've got two of those too, but no grandbabies of my own yet. I'm waitin'...

696 Americain  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:27:47pm

This is great news!

I've just returned from a fun filled day of target shooting in our beautiful SoCal desert and of course we had some targets of bin Laden's mug to shoot at. It's kinda ironic that I check LGF and hear that his top guy in Iraq is toast.

What a joy.

O.K., now I've got to at least clean my daily carry weapon before a new day starts.

Be back in a bit.

697 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:30:04pm

Scorpio...15th and a nasty one, too...LOL.

698 Athos  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:30:24pm

#676

At some point, we are going to get him, hopefully this is the time that we can scrape some remains from the wall and ID it's him.

I wonder how the MSM would spin this if he is one of the dead - particularly since we haven't heard from UBL since at least last Oct and rumours persist that he died of a medical condition last summer. That would leave only the Mad Egyptian Dr......

If Zarqawri wasn't there - how safe do you think he feels? His tactics in Jordan and against fellow muslims in Iraq are rapidly making him a pariah - even his own Jordanian tribe is turning against him. The sands in that hour glass are running out......

699 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:30:58pm

#391 ChristheProfessor

#377 Judith

Sort of like John List, geeky guy who murdered his family (and who, when they made a movie about it, was played, ironically enough, by Robert Blake)...

I'm veering off-topic here, but...

Did you see some papers a few years back which seriously tried to depict "conservatism" as a mental deficiency/pathology, complete with causes and aggravating conditions? From a gov't funded study, no less; that's what generated most of the howling.

Well what about a tongue-in-cheek treatise on the damaging effect of playing different characters on Hollywood actors' minds. Obviously, you play a murderer, you become a murderer. You play powerful executives and govt officials, you come away from it with delusions which plague your every day activities. Why else would a celebrated gang of high-school dropouts make pronouncements on foreign policy to a global audience? Those poor Hollywood actors need help! Maybe ol' Hillary's mandatory mental health screening and treatment could come in handy here.

700 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:31:10pm

#688 Swamps

I switched the station frequently to rap and that pissed him off enough to keep him awake.

ROTFLMAO! That would have done it to my husband. You are a cruel woman! Good job he didn't just throw you out of the truck! Didn't it give you a headache?

701 EW1(SG)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:31:55pm

#652 Bob's Kid:

It ain't too much fun, but there you have it.

No, it's not. But you have more friends than you know.

Hang in there. We'll find an excuse to see you soon.

702 Amy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:32:32pm

US is throwing cold water on the story:

Z's death unlikely

703 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:38:28pm

From the links >>>>>>> under world news.

Egypt polls claim first victim as violence spreads (AFP)

Really, AFP? Really? THE FUCKING POLLS? Not terrorists? Not murderous thugs? Unbelievable! And no, I haven't read the article. Why would I?

704 nihilist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:41:25pm

BBC says Zarqawi lives on! The Zarkman Alive & Well?

[just kidding]

705 avk2  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:42:28pm

well the MSM are HOPING
its not him.

706 nihilist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:45:34pm

avk2

if not for zarqawi & co the MSM might have to resort to reporting on the many POSITIVE developments in Iraq...allah forbid!

707 Beto Ochoa  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:45:48pm

Hope they had on clean undies.

709 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:48:45pm

#699 haakondahl

Yes, I remember that. Pure BS, if you as me (or any other sane person)!

Interesting explanation of what ails (sp?) Hollywood. Perhaps you can get a gov't grant to study it?

710 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:56:05pm

Bernadette -Happy Birthday! Um, does your new friend like you wearing a tool belt only, or over jeans or something banal like that?

711 manninglaw  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:56:43pm

The eulogy will be presented by longtime friend Michael Moore.

712 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 3:58:55pm

#702 Amy - SPOILSPORT!

713 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:01:31pm

Bob's Kid - My smpathies on your loss, may he rest in Peace.

714 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:04:59pm

I was looking at the Fox News clip posted here, which I suppose is intended to show the building in Mosul where the firefight took place, but that sure doesn't look like a farmhouse to me!

It looks like some sort of hotel. I think Fox must have grabbed footage of the hotel bombings in Amman by mistake. Anyone have pictures of the hotels in Jordan that we can compare it to?

715 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:11:47pm

Mark my words Zarqawi If you aren't dead you filthy, evil bastard....you are as good as dead, cause soon you will be deader then a fucking doornail. Take that to the Bank, mother fucker.

716 What's the matter with Democrats?  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:13:42pm

708 Ann

Thanks. I hadn't seen it before.

717 realwest  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:15:15pm

#715 Elcid - Um, Elcid old buddy, old pal o mine, would you PLEASE stop "sugar coating" what you say and just come out and say what you mean?!


;>p

718 easy  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:21:25pm

#708 Ann

Thanks for the link. I haven't seen that one. They all choke me up. I have boots on the ground there in the person of my son (see pic on the map site). He will be home before Christmas.

719 Protagonist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:27:49pm

The White House is incredulous that Zarqawi is dead.

Also, I'm wondering what to make of this:

"I am the president of Iraq and I am responsible for all Iraqis. If those who describe themselves as Iraqi resistance want to contact me, they are welcome," [Iraqi President Jalal] Talabani told reporters. "I want to listen to all Iraqis. I am committed to listen to them, even those who are criminals and are on trial."

Talabani made clear in his remarks, however, that he would talk with insurgents and "criminals" only if they put down their weapons.

720 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:44:43pm

#714,

Well, all I could find is pictures of the Radisson SAS in Amman, and it didn't look like what was in the Fox video. But I still think the footage is one of the hotels bombed in Amman, not the building involved in Saturday's raid in Mosul.

721 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:55:23pm

is he dead yet?

722 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:55:40pm

Wikipedia says Zarqawi was involved in a plot to bomb the Amman Radisson SAS in 1999 too.

A link to a small photo of the SAS

723 SwampWoman  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:55:52pm

#700 NY Nana

ROTFLMAO! That would have done it to my husband. You are a cruel woman! Good job he didn't just throw you out of the truck! Didn't it give you a headache?

Are you kidding? I've had (lots) of bands rehearsing at my house (thanks to son). It ain't music that gives me headaches, its hearing things like "Baby, look what I brung ya home! Oh, you gonna LOVE this 'un" that gives me headaches.

724 Havoc  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 4:58:42pm

Protagonist --

Not exactly "incredulous" but thanks for the update


The White House said Sunday that it was "highly unlikely" that the terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.

btw - very nice well reasoned comment you made over on the "Intelligent Design" emotion in action thread.

Charles must have had a coupla hundred gigabites he wanted to use up this morning.

725 Havoc  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:01:36pm

#721 Atlas

Hold that bottle ...

... Dr. McCoy is examing the remains

... we all want to hear him say it.

726 Gadfly  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:02:30pm

FWIW al-Reuters reports here that in that "gunfight" "Eight insurgents, including a woman, were killed on Saturday in clashes between joint U.S.-Iraqi forces and gunmen occupying a house in Mosul, police said. Four more insurgents were arrested."

727 EW1(SG)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:03:17pm

#690 SwampWoman:

Glad to see you're feeling better!

Thanks. Near toss, glad not to be in hospital again.

728 rod  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:08:08pm

nice thought, but this has been reported like 9-10 times already, and we've had our hopes every time. sort of liek Bin Ladens death reportings in 03.

729 EW1(SG)  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:12:03pm

#692 Bernadette:

Guess what I brought back from Louisiana?

Is this okay to discuss in a public forum?

A case of "bald" peanuts.

Whew, I thought I was gonna have to 'splain this...

So, how do we divvy 'em up?

730 hutchrun  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:25:46pm

DEBKAfile Exclusive: US forces and forensic experts are examining the bodies of eight high-ranking al Qaeda leaders in Mosul to find out if their chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is among them.

November 20, 2005, 8:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

A sample of his DNA is in American possession for a match-up.

The bodies they are trying to identify are of 7 men and one woman, who blew themselves up Sunday, Nov. 20, after their hideout in northern Iraq was under siege by a large US force, backed by tanks and helicopters. The bodies are burned black and unrecognizable. Four Iraqi security officers were killed and 10 injured in the operation.

DEBKAfile’s military sources add that also Sunday, US and Iraqi forces raided al Qaeda sanctuaries in Baghdad and captured several suspects. They followed an intelligence tip which confirmed DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s disclosure (Issue 227 Oct. 28) of the arrival of Zarqawi and his top team to Baghdad on Oct. 15.

731 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:37:20pm

Zark's big blunder was bombing the Muslim wedding party in Amman. This turned his fellow Jordanians against him and perhaps someone who knew too much ratted him out.

Not to be overly simplistic, but it kind of reminds me of the "Lion King" scene in which all of the hyenas turn on Scar and kill him after they all realize he is a conniving backstabber. In fact Zark's " My friends..." statement from a few days ago sounded just like it came from Scar himself.

732 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:44:12pm

'Nother Scorpio here (born in the year of the Dragon as well)! A double whammy! No wonder no one can live with me except the cat (and we're not too sure about here either).

733 big L  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:45:12pm

17-Protagonist--Fredo:"I'm the older brother...what about me? I'm smart too;I have ideas..."
Yeah he looks like Fredo.

734 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:45:56pm

730 hutchrun

DEBKAfile Exclusive: US forces and forensic experts are examining the bodies of eight high-ranking al Qaeda leaders in Mosul to find out if their chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is among them.

Whether or not the charred remains are Zark's or not, suppose the US were to claim they were indeed his.

Assuming he were still alive, and knowing he was an egomaniac, wouldn't that p*ss him off to the point he would make a public appearance to prove he was still alive?

Why not tell the world he's likely dead from self inflicted wounds? Make him crawl out from his hidey hole to prove he is still alive.

735 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:46:21pm

#731 mich-again:

Maybe Zarky should have got out more...like to the movies? He might have learned something.

736 big L  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:49:26pm

30-Cognito-Kewl, except for all that crap super-imposed over the article.

737 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:52:01pm

735 foreign devil

Maybe Zarky should have got out more...like to the movies?

Hehe.. I think the other thread tonite shows why Zarky likely thinks that cartoons are the work of infidels and would refuse to pay the 10,000 dinars or whatever a movie ticket goes for these days in Mosul.

738 big L  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:52:43pm

731--mich-again: reminds me of the Joker in BAtman: "We've been ratted-out, boys..."

739 NY Nana  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:55:14pm

#723 Swamps

"Baby, look what I brung ya home! Oh, you gonna LOVE this 'un" that gives me headaches.

What is it with husbands? :)

Women, OTOH, are soooo easy to deal with!/

[please don't let my husband know that he deserves a medal of valor for putting up with me for over 43 years!]

740 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:57:22pm

738 big L

My favorite scene from that movie is the handshake from Jack Palance when he says "You, are my number one guy!"

741 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 5:58:24pm

#470 markmc

Ah, to be an arabic speaking fly on Hussein's palace wall.

All flies speak Arabic.

742 foreign devil  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:06:24pm

Don't know if this means anything folks but FOX announced that there was no evidence that Zarqawi was among the dead in Mosul. Didn't elaborate or say where the information came from or who said so. I guess we just wait and hope.

743 jonny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:10:13pm

These terrorists keep popping up like Hydra's heads.

Hercules killed Hydra by chopping off its neck. Hydra's neck is the Madrassas that produce these terrorists and the oil sheiks that fund them.

744 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:11:15pm

742 foreign devil

but FOX announced that there was no evidence that Zarqawi was among the dead in Mosul.

Being blown up splodeydope style is too easy a death for this murdering scumbag. He needs to be captured alive, put in a cage, humiliated, and then dealt with accordingly by the locals in Jordan.

745 Stop Hillary  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:15:55pm

If this is true the Democrats and the NYT will be very disappointed in the death of their hero.

746 Elcid  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:22:58pm

717 realwest

Um, Elcid old buddy, old pal o mine, would you PLEASE stop "sugar coating" what you say and just come out and say what you mean?!

LOL...really I must come out of my shell.

Repeats to self...be forceful, blunt and direct, be forceful, blunt and direct, be forceful, blunt and direct...Thank Bob, feel better already...:).

747 visitorstay  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:34:35pm

Regardless of whether al-Zarqawi is dead or not, the U.S. must stay the course in Iraq. We are winning, sure as the day is long. The people who want to cut and run are the same ones who said we lost the vietnam war. If we were to cut and run, Iraq would degrade into a civil war, Shite killing Sunni, & vv. And that's the last thing we should want.

748 nigella  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:42:14pm

As big as the death of Zarqawi would be, I feel the MSM would spin this as some kind of failure for Bush. I guess they would say this will inflame the "freedom fighters " to even worse attacks because we made him a martyr.I've always thought if Georege Bush came riding in and single handily captured,Bin Laden, Zarqwai, Zahiri, and found Jimmy Hoffa, the MSM and the Dhimmicrats would find some way to spin it as a "miserable failure".

749 mich-again  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 6:50:36pm

748 nigella

LOL and so true...If GWB could somehow bring peace to the Israelis and Palis, the MSM would bitch that he put hundreds of ME reporters out of a job.

750 Axe Wielding Liberal Paddler  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:10:25pm

Zarquawi's nuts roasting on an open fire

Knowing that if it is true, the MSM and the LLL may commit ritual suicide

All of it priceless if true. Ensuring the hideous death of goatf*ckers like Zarquawi is what we pay them for.

I soooooooo hope he was blown up by his own people.

751 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:15:33pm

#613 Bernadette,

Congrats, babe. You can (or not as you choose) let him know about me.

He hurts you, and we'll have a problem between us (he and I). I'll take an ear or something :-)

He lays violent hands on you and I will take his pelt.


I'm doing well with the new Girlfriend 20.0 myself. We just got off the phone.

:-)

{Bernadette}

752 Beagle  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:35:35pm

We've been skeptical he's dead, but hopeful. The MSM picked up the story and hope grew. Then the White House threw water on our party bonfire. Still waiting.

But wait! What if Zarqawi is undead? It's the French "third way."

753 thscott  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 7:59:51pm

Possible NY Post Headline..

ZARQAWI

KA-POWEE!

754 leftover54  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 8:37:02pm

Why not tell the world he's likely dead from self inflicted wounds? Make him crawl out from his hidey hole to prove he is still alive.

What ? Another "Bush lied ?". In a normal,
sane world this would be no problem. We're all on the same team... a W. press conference:

"hea,hea, yup, we did say we got him last Sunday...but we didn't, it was just a a ploy
to flush this evil doer out of his spider hole. And it worked, a team of our elite Special Forces took him out this morning".

Normal world: Yeah !Nice goin' W.! Great plan !

The world we live in: (MSM, L3 (whacked demos): What ? you lied to us again ? This calls for a...blah,blah,blah.

755 jonny  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 9:12:11pm
Zarquawi's nuts roasting on an open fire

Zarqawi has cyphlis?

756 Globular Cluster  Sun, Nov 20, 2005 11:23:39pm

So has it been 48 hours yet?

What is the status of this story? Confirmed?

757 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 12:09:33am

Well, it has a little of the ring of credibility...

1) The building was surrounded because they thought there were senior Al Qaeda there.

2) American special forces were involved

3) Those inside blew themselves up rather than be captured....a known intent of jihadis that is rarely fulfilled.

I guess we can all hope.....

758 BulgarWheat  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 12:38:09am

There is now doubt being reported from US Sources (according to FOX) that this Zaqawi.

don't shoot the messenger.

759 elittle  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 1:19:37am

If I were the on scene commander, I would be doing a lot of digging UNDER the house looking for a 'spider hole' with a chicken in it!Remember "Saddum"? (sp, correct)!

760 deepdiver  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 1:50:56am

hope it's true.

We can bet that if the story is confirmed 100% the msm will start saying stuff like "he wasn't so important yadda, yadda, yadda"

Stupid bums.
Anyway, if not today it will be tomorrow:-)

deepdiver

761 Mrs. Beto  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 2:12:08am

Debkafile reports that the US has DNA of all, and that the US is reporting it "highly unlikely" that Zarkie is one. Debkafile also wrote that intelligence knew in Oct. that Zarkie had settled into Bagdad. Zarkie posted his demands on the King of Jordan.

762 mapenguin  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 2:21:34am

Still keeping my fingers crossed on this one. The WH would never say anything about this unless they were sure. My dh always says he expects the worst and hopes for the best. I just say that he's a pessimest;->

763 J.D.  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:00:25am

#546 haakondahl

I know from personal experience :-) that if you're local, they will telephone you to verify that you sent the letter. Calling Hawaii is not out of the question for them, I'm quite sure. They just don't want to print it, simple as that. It didn't show up in either the Saturday or Sunday papers, so I believe you have struck a nerve. (The turn-around time on letters to the editor is often as short as one day.)

So much for free speech.

Knight-Ridder's largest investors have recently voiced concern about their loss of revenues, so I feel quite certain the local yokels would not hesitate to squelch a letter this damning.
I'm working on it...

764 foreign devil  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:10:16am

#759 elittle:

The Arabs have a fondness for digging escape tunnels from their homes in case they need to use them. So often, when you get a tip, they aren't there because they've used a tunnel to get out.

I remember back in the Spring when the Pakistanis had Bin Laden holed up somewhere, someone warned about all the tunnels in these outlying frontier towns. The 'fighters' especially, rely on a lot of secret tunnels.

765 Kiernan  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:18:22am

The Washington Post quotes someone saying there is a thirty percent chance that Zarqawi is dead.

Fox is talking about the possibility at 8:16 AM eastern time.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

766 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:33:33am

MSNBC reporting "we just missed him", citing Pentagon sources.

767 Your Favorite Martian  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:46:38am

#741 haakondahl


All flies speak Arabic.

LOL!

Ro-Ta-Tor! Ro-Ta-Tor! Ro-Ta-Tor!

768 peggie  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 3:56:58am

at this point, i'd be happy if he lost valuable assets. if a top bomb expert was gone as opposed to the one who was all thumbs.

769 haakondahl  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 4:07:06am

#763 J.D. working this up into my blog now. Got a crappy little response from the cartoonist (think I said that). More in a bit.

770 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 4:53:30am
771 ExitRamp  Mon, Nov 21, 2005 10:09:40am

If Zarky is not dead, then why offer 25 million for him? The average Iraqi has no idea what that represents.

Offer a herd of 1,000 sheep and 1,000 goats. That should smoke out all sorts of leads


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