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Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 8:54:17 am PST

When former Attorney General Ramsey Clark isn’t defending Saddam Hussein, or giving speeches for the crypto-Stalinist International ANSWER, he’s acting as counsel for the Palestine Liberation Organization, trying to prevent families of murdered Jews from collecting on judgments against the PLO.

Today he lost: Supreme Court passes up PLO case. (Hat tip: SoCalJustice.)

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court refused Monday to overturn a $116 million judgment against the Palestine Liberation Organization in the deaths of a Jewish couple near the West Bank.

The PLO, and its governmental entity, had been sued in federal court in Rhode Island over the 1996 drive-by shooting of Yaron Ungar, an American citizen, and his Israeli wife, Efrat, as the couple returned home from a wedding.

The family’s relatives argued that the PLO and Palestinian Authority provided a safe haven and operational base for the Islamic militant group Hamas, which was responsible for the attack. A judge issued a default judgment after the PLO did not respond to requests for depositions from Yasser Arafat and others.

Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, the lawyer for the PLO, told justices in the appeal last month that Ungar relatives have “commenced sweeping national and international efforts” to collect the millions of dollars, including an attempt to seize Palestine’s U.N. Mission building in New York.

Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

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1 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:55:37am

Oh well.

2 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:56:32am

Clark is a perfect case for "loser pays."

4 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:57:27am
5 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:58:53am
Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally.”

Good. It would be nice to have them on our side for once. The UN and EU seem happy to do this all the time.

6 vxbush  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:00:03am

You know, the MSM never made his prior activities known when he was Attorney General. Makes me sick to know that he was once AG of the US...

7 MJ  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:01:30am

Now, isn't this a grand piece of hypocrisy. Just substitute the words, former Attorney Generals" in place of U.S. Courts:

Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

Now read it:

...former Attorney Generals “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that former Attorney Generals will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

8 Fatal  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:02:21am

Ahh, Ramsey Clark, the premier example of moonbaticus americanus.

Insanity is everywhere waxing, terror is rampant, the innocent are reviled and the "wise" men of the world bay at the moon.

9 BignJames  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:02:34am

Works for me.

10 Beagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:03:07am
risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally


Insert your own sarcastic remark about tiny European nations claiming "universal jurisdiction": here.

11 zombie  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:03:07am
#3 Jay777
More History of this Asshole's defense of America's Enemies

Clark helping out his buddy Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979.

12 gymnast  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:03:19am

I commented on Clarks legal legacy yesterday. The most polite way to describe his legal career is that he has been a "skidmark" on the pages of the history of the legal process.

13 Joel  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:03:21am

Ramsey Clark is America's Pierre laval, a man easy to ahte since he looks like a traitor.

14 cathymv  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:03:28am

BWAhahahahahhahah... effin loser...


see ya
cathy :)

15 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:04:09am

Ramsey Clark would represent Satan. Hell, not only would he represent him, he'd do it pro bono.

Even the moonbats at Slate think he's an ass.

16 quark2  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:05:01am

Anybody else see the photo Fox News sported of Ramsey this morning? Ugly enough to scare off
starving mosquitoes!

17 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:07:59am

Actually, Clark is correct on this one very narrow point:

Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

Courts have found Iran liable for damages resulting from the embassy takeover, Libya was held liable for damages resulting from the Pan Am bombing, and in those instances (among others) diplomatic considerations stayed the collection of damages from those countries.

The US government routinely seeks to have decisions against foreign nations thrown out since it can damage US foreign policy.

However, as MJ and others note, Clark, former Presidents Carter and Clinton, and other anti-Administration figures have no problems undermining the US and inserting their views into the political questions facing all corners of the world.

18 Kenneth  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:09:02am

International ANSWER is a front for the Workers World Party, which is a mouth-piece for the North Korean regime. Ramsey Clarke is a leading member of International ANSWER which means he works for North Korea.

Doesn't this fact make him a traitor?

19 nonic  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:09:37am

Speaking of the USSCt...

[Link: today.reuters.com...]
Marble chunk falls from top of Supreme Court

The marble was above the inscription near the top of the building saying, "Equal Justice Under Law" and above the allegorical figure representing "Order," one of nine sculptured figures on the pediment.

Preparation for sharia?

20 Jakester  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:09:37am

I don't want to sound all shrill, but why isn't this man in prison for treason? Haven't we had enough of his garbage?

21 MSMediaCritic  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:12:26am

#20

Treason is no longer a crime if you are doing it to help a leftist cause. (Clinton - China, etc.)

Didn't you get the memo?

22 Mike C.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:13:27am

# 18 Kennethy

No.

23 Walter E. Wallis  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:13:57am

Since Ramsey represents the PLO, collect the judgement from his bank accounts.

Incidently, is General Wessonoil Clark any relation to Ramsey?

24 aaron  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:14:01am

Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations
115 East 65th Street, New York, NY 10021

Great location. Should fetch a nice price once they sanitize Arafat's bedroom...

25 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:14:58am
Ramsey Clark and the PLO Lose Appeal

They were never appealing.

;-)

26 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:14:59am

It's a shame that Saddam Hussein's defense lawyers keep turning up dead.

27 aaron  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:15:43am

As for Clark, he *is* in Baghdad.

It's a dangerous place...

28 bunker buster  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:18:06am

If it looks like a traitor, walks like a traitor, quacks like a traitor, adheres to our enemies like a traitor...

29 Laurence Simon  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:19:03am

God, I hope his corpse isn't allowed to poison Arlington's holy ground when the Grim Reaper mercifully smears him out of the Book Of Life.

30 Captain Midnight  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:20:44am

Because Clark has lost this, his standing in the Liberal world will improve.

Nothing improves a Liberal's bona fides like failing. Look at how President Carter is reviered as a saint for his string of failures. Heck, he got a Nobel Prize for the North Korean agreement that they never honored.

31 no2liberals  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:21:33am

#16-quark2

I thought he was so ugly, that he would have to sneak-up on a glass of water.

I'm aware that there are a number of barrister's on LGF, so do not take this personally, as I'm specifically speaking about Clark:
pet·ti·fog·ger
Pronunciation: 'pe-tE-"fo-g&r, -"fä-
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from petty + obsolete English fogger pettifogger
1 : a lawyer whose methods are petty, underhanded, or disreputable : SHYSTER
2 : one given to quibbling over trifles
- pet·ti·fog·ging /-gi[ng]/ adjective or noun
- pet·ti·fog·gery /-g(&-)rE/ noun
Hey, if the noun fit's, he should wear it. BTW, does he still draw a check from the U.S. Govt for his service as AG?

/if so...should he

32 Paleo Con  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:22:46am

It's truly scary to think how many Dems actually agree with RC but are afraid to state such in public...behind the scenes, he's a mainstream Democrat

33 christheprofessor  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:23:21am

#30 Captain Midnight

I thought they gave the Nobel to Carter as a statement against Bush...

34 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:25:48am

Hey,
Go for it.
Lawsuits ran the KKK Klux Klan out of business.
Took all their property and vehicles.
Funny how a 50 million dollar suit will cut off your benefits

35 godfrey  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:27:25am

Kenneth

I'd be interested to read more about that.

Does Gonzalez have the stones to prosecute?

Hard to say when would be the best time to go after Clark. Yesterday would have been good.

36 quark2  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:30:01am

@31 no2liberals

Haven't seen that term (pettifogger) used in a very long time, but it's very apt!

37 Murqtaad  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:31:41am

OT/

50 cent loves Bush, calls him a gangsta

38 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:31:50am

26 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

He He. You bad.

39 no2liberals  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:33:31am

#36-quark2

Are you saying I'm...obsolete?
:(

40 Mike C.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:35:54am

godfrey et al

Here, try this.

41 Captain Midnight  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:37:36am
#33 christheprofessor
I thought they gave the Nobel to Carter as a statement against Bush...

It certainly worked as a statement against President Bush. But the Agreed Framework was shown to have been a complete failure shortly before he was awarded it. Thus he was award the Nobel Prize for having failed. (And to tweak President Bush.)

Q.E.D.

42 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:37:49am

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Die.Already.Ramsey

43 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:38:39am

#2 JWF

Clark is a perfect case for "loser pays."

Yeah, and there's no bigger freakin' loser than Ramsey Clark.

44 Chomsky  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:39:24am
People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison. People are remembering the days of Saddam. These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same things.'

-- Ayad Allawi

45 Chomsky  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:40:09am

Oops, link here:

[Link: observer.guardian.co.uk...]

46 Captain Midnight  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:40:10am

OT

BoingBoing has the following quote about the Singaporian executioner losing his job. See if you can spot the spelling mistake in this paragraph:

Singapore's chief exectioner has been fired, days before he was scheduled to murder an Australian youth who was arrested for drug-smuggling at Singapore's Changi airport.

47 jester6  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:40:10am
Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

Does this mean Clark will be defending the US soldiers sought by Spain for firing on the Palastine Hotel during the invasion of Baghdad?

Spain orders arrest and extradition of US soldiers over death

48 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:40:55am

OT: Is this guy kidding or what?

His ex-wife says his children are Jewish, his legal opponents allege he invented a drink called Jesus Juice, and now some Middle East media outlets are reporting that pop star Michael Jackson is building a mosque.
49 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:41:03am

Message to Ramsey Clark:

It's time for you to stop fraternizing with tyrants and Jew-murderers, and instead join forces with your Canadian soulmate and focus on the true issue of the day: Preventing inter-galactic war.

Help us, Ramsey-wan Clarkobi. You're our only hope.

50 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:41:47am

Ah, Ramsey has reared his communist head again, I put him along side hanoi john the traitor and hanoi jane the traitoress, they are all up to the only thing they know, denigrate our Brave Troops, but it won't work this time!

51 Mentat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:41:48am

This judgment against the PLO is great. I hope, as well, that lawsuits against the Saudi government for their responsibility for 9/11 also succeed. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

52 grayp  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:42:24am

Oh, whatever. When he dies, just inter him inside the Kremlin walls and be done with it.

53 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:42:50am

OT

The Tehran Project

Axis Of Evil: As we debate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, something quite scary and dangerous is taking place right next door: Iran's mullahs are quietly proceeding with their plan to build a nuclear weapon.

The news "leaked" at the meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, Austria, on Thursday and Friday was hardly comforting for those of us in America giving thanks for our blessings.

54 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:44:26am

#37 Murqtaad:

50 cent loves Bush, calls him a gangsta

S'up dog?

55 no2liberals  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:45:21am

From the previous thread:

Millions of pounds donated by British and other European charities to help the Palestinian poor were unwittingly diverted to fund terror and support the families of suicide bombers, Israeli prosecutors claimed yesterday.


If we were to get serious about stopping terrorism, perhaps suing them into oblivion is worth a try, as ibmkeyboard suggested. The courts have ruled that criminals may not profit from their crimes with book/movie deals. Why not sue the families of splodeydopes for the fund's they are awarded by these terrorist organization's, so that the criminal's can't profit in absentia. I mean, they get their raisins, so why should their families get cash? It should go to the families of the victim's, and in the process, remove one of the alleged motivating factor's for that particular crime.

56 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:45:39am

#53 Sarah D.,

When Iran gets ready for it's first test, watch the 'kaboom'!

57 Captain Midnight  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:48:03am

OT

So did you spot the spelling mistake in BoingBoing's text below?

Singapore's chief exectioner has been fired, days before he was scheduled to murder an Australian youth who was arrested for drug-smuggling at Singapore's Changi airport.

They misspelled "execute" as m-u-r-d-e-r.

58 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:48:35am

Why it Isn’t Over, Over There

We haven’t won the war in Iraq because too many Sunnis still think they can win, and because the conditions of their daily lives are improving rather than deteriorating. They think they can win because, with the help of al Qaeda, Iran and Syria they are still able to launch attacks throughout Iraq. And because each day they see growing evidence that the United States is tiring of the war and talking more and more about pulling out its troops. And because Saddam Hussein is still alive in Baghdad. And because – thanks to the generosity of the U.S. and a government in Baghdad that is doing everything it can to win over the Sunnis before the upcoming elections – each day the availability grows of food, electric power, clean drinking water, gasoline and heating fuel.
59 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:49:11am

#53 Sarah D.:

Help us Mossad-wan Kenobi, you're our only hope:

The Covert Option

(registration & susbscription required, sorry)

60 Tim K  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:50:12am

Hey Clark!
You are breaking my heart. The poor PLO. Going to lose your mission in New York? Where will you stay when you beg the UN for more money?

61 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:50:29am

Ramsey Clark & PLO lose appeal?

I wasn't aware they ever had any.

62 keepandbear  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:50:36am
Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

Damn straight fool

Now freeze all foriegn accounts with ties to terrorism until the PLO pays up.

63 Windy City Kuffar  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:51:12am

Too late to nominate Ramsay for idiotarian of the year?

64 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:52:11am

#59 Occasional Reader

Geez OR, like to tease me or what?

65 sms111  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:52:24am

It is hard to imagine the damage to this country's laws and moral codes that this asshole did when he was AG.

One wonders why this country is a mess today - with leaders like Clark, who needs enemies enemas?

66 quark2  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:53:04am

@39 no2liberals


Well if you are obsolete, so am I. :)

67 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:54:44am

# 53 Sarah D.

"Quietly" building a nuclear weapon? They're positively crowing about it.

68 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:54:47am

Okay, I have to post this bit of moonbat news:

Native Americans' 'Unthanksgiving' day

Groups representing Japanese, Palestinian, Aztec and African indigenous people joined Native Americans in dancing, chanting and prayers.

"Eventually, everyone is going to get their indigenous rights," a member of the Palestinian group told the gathering. "For many, it will be a right of return to their land."

"They have been terrorists since they landed on the East Coast in 1492, and they are still doing it today in Iraq and other countries," Lincoln said of the pilgrims and their legacy.

Damn, where's that leftover turkey? I'm hungry.

69 keepandbear  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:55:02am

66 quark2

You're not obsolete

You're now a decorative nic-nac

70 Murqtaad  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:56:28am

WWtW,

Jacko fled to bahrain because lil boy buggerin' aint a crime there.

71 keepandbear  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:57:16am

68 Sarah D.

Did anyone ask Mr. Lincoln where the Anasazi went?

72 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:00:11am

OT

The Very Foundation of Conservatism

What did the foundation do? After becoming its president in 1977, Mr. Simon called for the creation of a "counterintelligentsia" to balance what he saw as the liberal dominance of the universities, the news media, nonprofit organizations and government bureaucracies. The Olin Foundation and other right-leaning philanthropies - particularly the Bradley, Scaife and Smith Richardson Foundations - provided a pool of venture capital that helped build a network of research institutions, academic fellowships and highbrow journals for the conservative movement. If it is something of a cliché these days to suggest that conservatives are winning the war of ideas, much of the credit belongs to these grant makers.
73 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:01:38am

#69 keepandbear,

I love ya' but quarky is not a nic-nac, she is a beautiful person, intelligent, (more than me, and that's not saying much), insightful, caring, and a skank but in loving skank way, I worked with her and her beautiful husband many years at Shell in Deer Park, Texas.

74 ted  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:02:13am

When I think of Ramsey Clarke I also think of Cerebral Hemorrhage, Massive Cardiac Infarction, Slippery ice on the steps outside his house, etc

75 Mike C.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:02:51am

OT, but pretty cool.

76 keepandbear  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:07:26am

75 Mike C.

Mike, Thats is going to make someone's head explode!

/I like it.

77 Morganfrost  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:09:01am

Ah, Dear Old Ramsay. Let's hope his performance in the Saddam matter is as effective as his efforts on behalf of Palestinian terrorists. Somebody ought to warn Saddam that he's only aggravating his situation by engaging a lunatic to defend him.

78 no2liberals  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:10:37am

There certainly is a lot of info on the fetid meat-bag, known to us as Ramsey Clark.
Ramsey Clark was Saddan Hussein's personal attorney and represented Iraq before the War.

79 plutosdad  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:11:31am

Well clarke, we are only doing what the European courts do.

Isnt' that what we're supposed to be doing? Learning from and emulating European courts?

80 quark2  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:11:39am

@69 keepandbear

Thanx, but am also olderndirt.

@73 'Nam Grunt

We were young, wild and crazy back then weren't we. :)
Good memories!

81 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:14:19am

# 68 Sarah D.

I certainly hope the Aztecs plan to apologize to the descendants of all those people they captured (in their wars of expansionist, imperialist aggression) and cut the hearts out of.

82 kafir  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:14:48am

Hey Ramsey baby, why not defend the kids who were splodydoped away by your other clients, by stepping down from their collective cases? It is the right thing, as in moral thing to do.

The splodydopes and their fellow travelers need to be wiped out. Exterminated like the vermin they are. Not defended like common criminals. They are an organized, vicious, ruthless group who simply do not care if they kill non-combatants, and in fact prefer such soft targets.

Are these really the people you want to defend?

Shame on you.

83 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:20:02am
84 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:24:12am

This "indigenous peoples" thing is just bizarre. Groups of people have been displacing other groups of people since the emergence of the first tribes. Just how far back are we supposed to take this thing?

Well, I hope they realize this justifies the indigenous Europeans using any and all available means of driving out the invading Muslim hordes.

85 MJ  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:28:12am

# 83 Rayra- Here ya go direct from kos:

The Marble Facade of the Supreme Court (4.00 / 2)

Just partially collapsed.

Is that a metaphor or what? Even the building doesn't like Scalito.

Every time he goes to court a haunting guttural voice whispers "GEEET OUUUT!"

[ Anyone who thinks my bark is worse than my bite, has never seen me bite. ] -6.63 | -5.38

by dj angst on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:57 AM PDT

Yeah I just read about that too. (none / 1)

Apparently it fell from the just above the words, "Equal Justice Under Law."


by MariaSquared on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 08:18:22 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


Spooky isn't it? (none / 1)

Is it the ghosts of Earl Warren and Thurgood Marshall at work?


Annie

by akeitz on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 08:39:58 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


It almost makes me believe in Intelligent Design! (none / 0)

SCOTUS facade crumbles (due to internal decay and lack of progressive reworking of a calcified originalism?)... !

"No help for fools."

by yojimbo on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:28:36 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


Damn (none / 0)

I was hoping the Impartial Facade had fallen...

Bob Woodward is a White House shill

by Scarce on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 08:25:54 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


Another sign from "Heaven" (none / 0)

Anyone else get the feeling God is up there going "How much clearer do I have to be?"

Personally, I'm thinking a tornado at Crawford this weekend would have been a better sign. Nice and focused...


by xrepub on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 09:14:28 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


exactly (none / 0)

You took the words right out of my mouth! I was paging down here looking to see if someone already said it. Yep, crumbling facade, indeed.

-7.63, -6.56

by fotyc on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 09:22:51 AM PDT
[ Parent ]

86 Sarah D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:29:06am

#84 tigger2005

Just how far back are we supposed to take this thing?

I'm taking it that they are a bunch of idiots.

87 the specialist  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:29:59am

Does Augusto Pinochet come to mind?

88 kingronjo  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:30:19am

Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

since when does Clark think this is a bad thing? O, yes, thats right, since some conservative jurists might follow the rule of law. American law, that is.

89 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:46:45am

All your civil court liability are belong to us.

90 stoked  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:04:53am

There's just no limit to the treason.

91 Imamhunter  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:08:07am

Hey, what's the problem? A guy's gotta work, gotta put food on the table, right?

/sarc off

92 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:10:56am

#85 MJ

Progressive Kossack Wisdom:

SCOTUS facade crumbles (due to internal decay and lack of progressive reworking of a calcified originalism?)... !

Let's throw out that old faded piece of murdered tree and let the law mean whatever we felt like when we got up this morning, or this afternoon when we came down off our last high.

93 Mentat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:15:50am

Saudi Government Cleared from 9/11 lawsuits by U.S. Federal Court

[Link: www.saudiembassy.net...]

snip:

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is very gratified with the decision by the United States District Court of New York to dismiss lawsuits against the Saudi government, government officials, leading financial institutions and prominent businessmen, who were charged with financing the 9/11 attacks.

Did you hear about the above from the MSM? I know that I didn't.

94 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:23:40am
95 F451  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:26:18am

Quoted by 68:

'"They have been terrorists since they landed on the East Coast in 1492..." Lincoln said of the pilgrims and their legacy.'

The Pilgrims landed in 1492?

96 right wing zephyr  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:28:56am

What's in it for Clark?

He's way too old for virgins.


Right?

97 Amy  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:30:39am
Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, the lawyer for the PLO, told justices in the appeal last month that Ungar relatives have “commenced sweeping national and international efforts” to collect the millions of dollars, including an attempt to seize Palestine’s U.N. Mission building in New York.

I would LOVE to see the plaintiffs foreclose on that "Mission" building and put it to better use, such as office space and clerical staff for the use of firms suing the PA, and/or for charities assisting the victims of Muslim terrorism. I'd pay to witness the eviction.

And let's see which Muslim country would put up the PA's "representatives" when they come to New York. Syria? Egypt? Jordan (yeah, right)? Saudi Arabia?

98 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:41:39am
99 prospero  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:55:42am

Look at what John Hinderaker wrote yesterday on Powerline, re RC's jumping on Saddam's bandwagon:

Low would be Ramsey Clark, the lunatic lefty who has trafficked for forty years on the fact that Lyndon Johnson, in what Johnson described as his most appalling mistake, appointed him Attorney General.

I assume Mr. Hinderaker didn't just make up that reference to Johnson. So think about Johnson and his administration, and let the significance of that statement sink in.

Ouch.

100 ovidius  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:56:12am

#84 tigger2005

Exactly my thought. my people should be entitled to reparations from today's progeny of the Roman conquerors--never mind none of would be here without those paleo-imperialists.

Unbelievable stupidity. How long is this utter nonsense going to go on?

101 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:05:53am

f451

The Pilgrims landed in 1492?

yeah man,
1492 the pilgrims sailed the ocean blue,
landed at plymouth rock and rolled tobbaco in their sock.
lol

/damn indians knew all about pay back when they introduced tobbaco.

indians,
nah,
it wont hurt you,
take a deep drag.

102 EddieP  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:12:44am

Saddam lied, many people died.

Ramsey Clark and Saddam Hussein, walking arguments against the idea of Intelligent Design.

103 scaramouche  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:27:43am

A dangerous moonbat named Ram
Worked for people who wouldn't eat ham.
But not for the Jews,
Oh no, those he'd refuse
Since they know he's a Jew-hating sham.

104 foreign devil  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:50:55am

This doesn't bode well for Saddam. Does he know with his money he could get far better counsel that Ramsey Clark?

105 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:21:21am

They all lost their appeal for me a long time ago.

106 rebnatan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:21:23am

Clark gave the commencement address when I graduated from the New School for Social Research. It was shortly after the fall of the Shah of Iran, and Clark gave a long talk on the evils of the now-deposed regime, such as its brutality, the lack of freedoms, torture, etc. I was surprised that he didn't say a word about the apparent shortcomings of the new Islamo-fascist regime.
It seems that Clark doesn't object to brutality, torture, oppression, etc., as long as the people doing it say "down with the U.S.A.", or alternatively, get this sleazy hypocrite more press coverage.

107 Gabba Gabba Hey  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:24:52am

Hey Ramsey, here's some boiled crow for you. As my Great-Grandmother used to say: "I couldn't fancy you if you had diamonds hanging off yer arse." You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Be gone despicable baggage!

108 Marjin  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:27:42am

We constantly feed the Pals millions of dollars to squander and use to maim and kill instead of doing something constructive, so why can't we take it back?

109 foreign devil  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:36:06am

Do you suppose Dennis Kucinich and Ramsey Clark were separated at birth? Just wonderin'...

110 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:46:55am

#68 Sarah D.: (late, I know)

Groups representing Japanese, Palestinian, Aztec and African indigenous people joined Native Americans in dancing, chanting and prayers.
"Eventually, everyone is going to get their indigenous rights," a member of the Palestinian group told the gathering. "For many, it will be a right of return to their land."

So "African indigenous people" in the US are seeking a "right of return"?

If they're having trouble getting a visa from the Embassy of Nigeria*, why aren't they protesting there?

Personally, I don't know any black Americans seeking a "right of return", but hey, I try not to hang around with moonbats.

___
* which would be the most logical choice.

111 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:54:32am
112 dairenn  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 12:42:23pm

#105 -

They didn't lose their appeal. 'Cause when they blow themselves up, someone has to come along and start APPEALin' 'em off the walls.

*taps mic* Is this thing on?

/kidding

113 piglet  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 12:52:21pm
Ramsey Clark and the PLO Lose Appeal

face it, he wasn't all that attractive to begin with. :-)

114 Buffy  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 1:43:32pm

#57 Captain Midnight

So did you spot the spelling mistake...
They misspelled "execute" as m-u-r-d-e-r.

Haha! I noticed that, but given it was the media, I assumed you were implying they misspelled "muslim" as y-o-u-t-h. :-)

115 Pooh  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 1:53:10pm

In the event that the Ungar family do collect the money, I do hope that much of it will be donated to charity. One dealing with the victims of terrorist attacks in Israel would be very appropriate.

116 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 1:53:59pm

#103 Scaramouche

Very good one!

Here is some very bad news re Israel, IMHO, and the upcoming election: Peres, Dalia Itzik decide to join Sharon in Kadima

Former Labor Party chairman Shimon Peres has finalized his decision to leave the Labor Party, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's associates said late Monday night.

Following a meeting with Sharon at the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem, Labor MK Dalia Itzik announced at 11pm on Monday that she was leaving Labor for Sharon's Kadima party. Sharon's associates said that Itzik was part of a deal worked out with Peres, who insisted that Sharon find room on the Kadima list for his closest political ally.

"Sharon is willing to pay the price of a slot on Kadima's list for Dalia Itzik to bring about the departure of Shimon Peres from the Labor Party," a Sharon associate said.

When he returns from a trip to Spain on Wednesday evening, Peres will quit party politics and announce that he has accepted an offer from Sharon to become a senior minister in charge of peace talks with Palestinians and developing the Negev and Galilee...

see rest.

And this? May G-d help Israel:Kadima platform proposal allows for Palestinian state

Justice Minister and Sharon ally Tzipi Livni outlined the proposed platform of the new Kadima Party Monday afternoon, emphasizing the nature of Israel as a democratic Jewish state and the need to continue along the road map peace plan.

Outlining the party's diplomatic stance, Livni focused mainly on the roadmap plan. She alluded to the need for a Palestinian state, although she did not state her intentions specifically.

The document from which Livni read contained statements referring to the creation of a disarmed, terror-free Palestinian state as well as the preservation of settlement blocs, Army Radio reported.

Livni discussed the stalled road map, as Israel waits for the Palestinians to fulfill their commitment to combat terror and violence.

She also emphasized the need for maintaining a Jewish democratic state with Jerusalem serving as the undivided capital.

Kadima's stress on the first stage of the roadmap plan is significant, since the contingency of removing outposts was agreed upon only by Israel, mostly due to Netanyahu's insistence. He then abstained from the vote.

"We're not ruling anyone out of partnering with us in the future," Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said on Monday as he opened the first Kadima faction meeting at the Knesset...

see rest. May G-d save Israel from the enemy within..Sharon/Peres? Tragic.

117 Airedale  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:03:41pm
.

#106 rebnatan 11/28/2005 01:21PM PST
Clark gave the commencement address when I graduated from the New School for Social Research. It was shortly after the fall of the Shah of Iran, and Clark gave a long talk on the evils of the now-deposed regime, such as its brutality, the lack of freedoms, torture, etc. I was surprised that he didn't say a word about the apparent shortcomings of the new Islamo-fascist regime.
It seems that Clark doesn't object to brutality, torture, oppression, etc., as long as the people doing it say "down with the U.S.A.", or alternatively, get this sleazy hypocrite more press coverage


was Ramsy singing ;

"Heres to the new boss

Same as the old boss "


imho

Clark is a lil nazi spy on retainer

118 whiterasta  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:10:58pm

I'm too lazy to look it up.

Ramsey Clarke was AG under who? Jimmah da Dhimmah?

Don't you Yanks have treason laws down there?

I think not, considering that Hanoi Jane is still a free woman and not a lesbian sex slave in Leavenworth or Marion.

119 easy  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:16:17pm

#118 whiterasta 11/28/2005 04:10PM PST

LBJ

120 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:22:30pm

If ever there was a traitor to their country, Ramsey Clark is that man.

121 Airedale  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:22:35pm

I wonder what thet FIRED CNN guy did on his first day off...
?

#83 Rayra 11/28/2005 10:20AM PST

#19 nonic 11/28/2005 09:09AM PST
Speaking of the USSCt...

[Link: today.reuters...]
Marble chunk falls from top of Supreme Court

The marble was above the inscription near the top of the building saying, "Equal Justice Under Law" and above the allegorical figure representing "Order," one of nine sculptured figures on the pediment.
Preparation for sharia?


Some fuckwit at DailyCooz will use this as an allegory for the Bush Administration, before the day is out.

Yeah,
that fired CNN guy was headed for DC to make some sort of political freedom of speech" statement..

j/k


I wouldn't be suprised if a few moonbats are behind a little vandalism... ;)

122 flagirl  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 2:37:44pm

#68:

"They have been terrorists since they landed on the East Coast in 1492, and they are still doing it today in Iraq and other countries," Lincoln said of the pilgrims and their legacy.

Someone needs to tell Magellan there that Columbus landed on the island of Hispanola (which as far as I know is not located on the East Coast) in 1492.

#110:

So "African indigenous people" in the US are seeking a "right of return"?

Believe or not, some blacks in the US are still demanding their "40 acres and a mule." My spouse works with one such individual.

123 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 3:28:46pm

Since this thread is about Ramsey Clark please allow me to tell a very short version of my favorite Ramsy Clark story:

RC was giving a speech about "occupation of 'Palestine'"/WOT/anything to bolster A.nS.W.E.R.

so one of the Answer-Youth asked what RC thought about the "Suicide Bombing of Innocent Israeli Civilians".

RC's response: "It is always sad when someone commits suicide"
-- He then went on about how its understandable & necessary because of the daily oppression & "occupation" action of the Nazi Israelis etc.

So... What does RC think about the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians?...its really sad for the murderer.

What a DipPoo...I hope I run into him one day.

124 Ledger1  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 3:36:00pm

Barrister Clark must be one of two things:

1) A seditious opportunist.

2) A clever confidence man who swindles his "clients."

125 EE  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 3:36:31pm

Article by Michelle Malkin (Jan. 24, 2002), Murderous thugs of the world, rejoice. Once again, Ramsey Clark has come to your aid -- whether you want him to or not.
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

... Clark's agenda is neither peace nor justice. It is terrorist ambulance-chasing. He is far less concerned with freeing the innocent than with allying himself with America's enemies at every turn -- the gorier, the better. This is the man who: -- Flew to Hanoi to give aid and comfort to the North Vietnamese while American POWs were being beaten, tortured, and killed; -- Flew to Tehran to condemn the "Crimes of America" while his fellow citizens were being held hostage by Iranian militants; -- Flew to Tripoli to cheer up COlonel Mohamar Qadafi after the US bombed Libya terrorist training facilities; -- Flew to France to kneel at the feet of the late Ayatollah Khomeini; -- Flew to Baghdad to consult with Saddam Hussein; -- Flew to the defense of PLO leaders sued by the family of Leon Klinghoffer, the wheelchair-bound American tourist who was shot and tossed overboard from the cruise ship Achille Lauro by Palestinian commandos in 1986; -- Flew to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's side, in a show of solidarity against American imperialsim, to defend him against charges of genocide, rape, and torture against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo; -- Flew to the aid of indicted Rwanda genocide conspirator Elizaphan Ntakirutimana, a Hutu pastor accused of luring hundreds of Tutsi men, women, and children into his church and hospital compoind -- where they were massacred by gunmen and grenade-throwers; and -- Flew to support the 1993 World Trade Center bombers (he played the race card for sympathetic minority jurors by decrying our racist judicial system), and continues to represent Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, the scheming Muslim cleric now in federal prison for his role in planning New York City terrorist attacks.
Ramsey Clark's record is not one of principled pacifism, but of compulsive anti-Americanism. The peace-loving doves who follow his path are flying on blood-stained wings.
126 wrenchmensch  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 3:49:35pm

#123 Wrath

I too hope you run into him one day...and

that you're driving something heavy.

127 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 3:58:10pm

#126 Wrench

:)

how about a gas guzzling, post military owned GMC Humvee?

The irony would be an added bonus.

128 Li'l Mamzer  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:14:04pm

I propose we start calling him Ramzi Clark.

Such an Arab terrorist wannabe!

129 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:14:54pm

#123 WrathofG_d

"It is always sad when someone commits suicide"

I think we may have a new quote to go next to "evil" in the dictionary.

130 wun wabbit wun  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:57:18pm

Could someone explain to me exactly what one would have to do to be named a TRAITOR to the United States? Is it now "anything goes"? Apalling.

131 Brutus  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:10:33pm
Clark said U.S. courts “are marching off to the conflicts of the Middle East and elsewhere carrying with them the integrity of the U.S. judiciary and risking the foreign perception that U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

A Red Herring argument.

An American citizen was killed. The Defendant does business in the US. The Defendant has a reasonable expectation of being able to defend itself in the US.

Now, if the court held that no further funding to the PLO by Americans would be permitted, or that travel to the palestinian entity is forbidden, for example, then "U.S. courts will extend their jurisdiction globally deciding the most sensitive political questions affecting the foreign policies of the U.S. and other nations as they go.”

132 wingfam mom  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:26:04pm

#130 wun wabbit wun -

"Could someone explain to me exactly what one would have to do to be named a TRAITOR to the United States? "


Why, yes. It's very simple. Pay attention.

1. Get a good education, preferably at a private religious school.
2. Marry someone of the opposite sex.
3. Be successful at your job, preferably one with corporate ties. Or better yet, start your own business.
4. Donate to conservative causes.
5. Celebrate Christmas out loud.
6. Eat meat.

There you have it. Try to keep up, will you?

133 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:36:54pm

LBJ appointed Ramsey Clark as Attorney General in an effort to get Clark's father to resign his seat on the Supreme Court so Johnson could appoint Thurgood Marshall.

So by attempting to create a groundbreaking legacy, he unleashed a monster on the planet. Unintended consequences.

Now every genocidal dictator and terrorist organization gets free legal advice from an "anti-war" former U.S. Attorney General.

Pathetic.

134 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:37:57pm

And thanks for the Hat tip, Charles.

135 mattm  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:47:32pm

Why are the Dems always on the wrong side of the every issue.

136 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:36:17pm

135- mattm

because they are products of the public school system where they are taught revisionist history...or none at all.


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