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Martin Gets 86'ed

Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 6:27:29 pm PST

Political chaos in Canada: Canada’s government is thrown out.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin’s government has been ousted in a no-confidence vote. Canada’s three opposition parties united against his Liberal Party, which has been mired in a corruption scandal.

Mr Martin will seek the dissolution of parliament on Tuesday, and a date for a general election - thought likely to be 16 or 23 January. Recent polls suggest Mr Martin’s Liberals will take most votes in the election - but will not win a majority.

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1 balljar  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:28:21pm

hosers

2 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:29:17pm

Ooh goody! The Canucks get to have an election in the middle of Christmas season.

That ought to go over well.

3 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:30:21pm

*election campaign*

PIMF, damn ye.

4 foreign devil  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:30:29pm

The election will be after Christmas. The boring commercials will be during Christmas.

5 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:30:48pm

Where are all the moonbats going to emigrate to when the Red Staters win again in 2006 and 2008?

6 Orbit Rain  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:31:06pm

...oh yeah...

7 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:31:30pm

Oh, I forgot, they're all still here. Lying little blowhards.

Even the ones who could afford to move, like Alec Baldwin, didn't.

8 johnCV  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:31:35pm

Martin couldn't even buy a vote.....er, well maybe he can.

9 Orbit Rain  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:15pm

...oh...and I love these forms of goverment where the buck never stops...

10 Ol' flyboy  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:16pm

Corruption in government? Thankfully that will never happen in this country.

11 NiceLass  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:24pm

"The Liberals say they will campaign on their economic record, having wiped out a huge budget deficit, and seen the economy boom and unemployment fall to a 30-year low."

No kidding. Verrry interesting.

12 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:31pm

#5 Cato the Elder

Where are all the moonbats going to emigrate to when the Red Staters win again in 2006 and 2008?

Venezuela, Uncle Hugo's Tropical Paradise™.

13 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:31pm

How often has this sort of thing happened? It seems rather a huge thing to dissolve parliment.

14 manny  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:32:40pm

I still don't fully get this parliamentary thing where either the Prime Minister sets an election or the Parliament makes him do it instead of them coming on dates certain.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing. It seems to work just fine with our friends to the north, with Great Britain, Israel, Japan and elsewhere. It's just a little odd to my American sensibilities.

15 jrdroll  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:33:44pm

F**k Liberals. See you in Sharia land.

16 Beagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:34:01pm

Where's Canada?

17 Mr. Neutron  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:35:08pm

About freakin' time. I just moved to the States but will do whatever it takes to vote the Liberals out.

18 Beagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:36:29pm

Oh yeah, eh. Like just South of Santa.

19 Fred Z  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:37:59pm

It's an article of faith up here in the great white effing frozen north that you damyankeees are igoranter'n pigs about the rest of the world, canuckistan in partikler.

So howcum this green footballs feller knows so bleeding much? eh? eh?

20 KonfuzedKannuk  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:38:52pm

Don't shed a tear for poor Paulyanna Martin. I've never experienced such an immature, opportunistic, denying, lying little twat passing himself off as a Prime Minister.

Of course, the alternatives don't look any better, but at least one of them seems a little less moonbatty than the others.

Mark these words: it's going to get fugly!

Cheers!

21 Leper  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:39:57pm

Rumor has it that Paul Martin was Nancy Pelosi's bitch. If I were Howard Dean, I would be scared, very scared. (Ted Kennedy is safe though, as Pelosi is a lousy swimmer.)

22 Beagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:40:02pm

#14 manny

I still don't fully get this parliamentary thing where either the Prime Minister sets an election or the Parliament makes him do it instead of them coming on dates certain.


Strangely, dad "Captain America" thought the parlimentary system superior. It looks like snafu to me.

23 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:41:12pm

I suggest a trade between Canada and California.

Barbera Boxer for Paul Martin. Would get Canada on the map...

24 Eagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:41:30pm

Sooo, lets say the impossible happens, and there is a new conservative majority.

What are the odds Canada is in Iraq come August 2006?

{just askin}

25 SwampWoman  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:42:04pm

#19 Fred Z

It's an article of faith up here in the great white effing frozen north that you damyankeees are igoranter'n pigs about the rest of the world, canuckistan in partikler.

Hey, don't blame me for the white effing frozen north! I've been driving the low-mileage getting 4-door pickup truck today all to try to warm y'all up up there.

26 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:42:18pm

It seems the Canadians are catching on.

27 winter_ridge  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:43:25pm

When is KOS going to take out the DLC?

Maby he will be bribed again and go to Canada.

28 LSD  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:43:38pm

No Confidence ... heheheh

29 taterhead  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:43:50pm

#20 Konfused

Of course, the alternatives don't look any better, but at least one of them seems a little less moonbatty than the others

The non-moonbattys need to take to the street and boot the moonbats back to the caves. The utopian-anything-goes-don't-judge-me thing doesn't work...(i.e. Sweden).

30 cracker_jones  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:43:50pm

#20 KonfuzedKannuck
This poll says it's going to be close

31 Ledger1  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:44:01pm

I seemed to remember a little news blurb that Martin and his political chums were involved not only governmental money scams involving shell corporations but also they were in on the UN's Oil For Food scam.

32 Anna  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:44:07pm

How Paul Martin/Jean Chretin's Liberal Party 'helped' Canada:
Finance Minister Paul Martin took $30 billion CDN surplus from government union pensions and paid down the deficit.
With Paul Martin as Finance Minister, approxiately $100 million CDN went from federal accounts to Liberal party coffers via middlemen.
With Paul Martin as Prime Minister various Native American education funds have been used at American casinos and Sea World along with purchases of jewelry and supporting bush league hockey teams.
And lets not forget that Martin's finance guy possibly let leak sensitive financial information before the official announcement so friends of Goodale made lots of money while others lost their shirts.

On the positive side, the government unions are suing Martin's government to get back their looted funds. And the first official report on AdScam lead to this no-confidence vote.

Interesting times indeed north of the border.

33 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:44:52pm

#24 Eagle

From what I've heard about their long-range snipers, they can just stay in Canada and join the Iraqi war.

34 TotallySirius  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:46:09pm

Another loss for liberalism.

IMO Canada has been going to hell in a handbasket ever since the liberals/socialists got power.

This shows that the people of Canada are sick of liberal policies.

35 Eagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:48:30pm

#33 Silhouette
lol

36 winter_ridge  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:49:17pm

#24 Eagle - "Sooo, lets say the impossible happens, and there is a new conservative majority.

"

Are trying to piss of the left, or better yet the KOS kids?

37 fmfnavydoc  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:49:24pm

Anyone check out the Govn'r General:

Governor General

For the Cancadian lizardroids - do the LLL stand a chance in gaining any seats, or can they get rolled by the any of the other three parties? Is the New Democrat party anywhere near the LLL?

Sorry, just a American that isn't up to speed on Canadian Politics....

38 taterhead  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:49:36pm

#23 stuck

I suggest a trade between Canada and California.

How 'bout just sending Boxer, and Kennedy, and Hildebeast, and Dean, and Francois Kerry, and Schumer, and Biden, etc. to Canada. We don't need anything in return. We are givers.

39 krisper  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:49:50pm

Although I'm sure there's a popular misconception that Canadian politics is a vibrant, thrilling, non-stop roller coaster ride, it's really about as engaging as a pot full of boiled turnips.

We have the NDP, who think that the answer to all problems is higher taxes, and arts grants to heroin junkies. Then there's the Bloc Quebecois seperatist party, or as I like to call them, the "Don't get your ass caught in the door as you leave" party. The Liberals are just a bunch of tired bureaucrats who'll do anything and promise anything to stay in power, and our Progressive Conservatives are neither progressive nor conservative. That leaves a handful of nutbar and single-issue parties with weird platform agendas like arresting Bush as a war criminal, and making Canada a UFO-friendly zone or whatnot.

But other than that, I'm looking forward to a January election!

40 Salem  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:51:03pm

O Cana-D'OH!

41 taterhead  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:51:59pm

#25 Swampwoman

Hey, don't blame me for the white effing frozen north! I've been driving the low-mileage getting 4-door pickup truck today all to try to warm y'all up up there

LMAO...good one.

42 scooter  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:53:02pm

Wouldn't it be great to have a PM like Aussie John Howard on our door steps? Sigh...

'Tis the season of hope.

I will keep my silent prayers.

43 Salem  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:54:14pm

Boy, these are dark days for the Axis of Weasels, huh?

44 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:54:15pm

#38 tater...

Good Call!

45 krisper  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:54:39pm

I'd vote for John Howard. We should kidnap him.

46 African Moonbat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 4:59:36pm

Chalk another one to the blogosphere and in paticular to Captains Quarters. While the Canadian MSM continued to ignore the corruption that swirled around the Martin government, Ed at Captains Quarters picked up the story and kept at it. His posts were as important as LGF exposing the TANG memo fraud. For this reason LaShawn Barber has nominated Captains Quarters as Blog of the Year.

Well done Captains Quarters!

47 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:00:39pm

Rick Moranis for PM!

48 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:02:30pm

#39 krisper

our Progressive Conservatives are neither progressive nor conservative.

You do know that the PCs have gone the way of the dodo, right?

Other than that, the CPC doesn't instill me with confidence that they are actually conservative, screams of "far-right extremists" to the contrary.

Me, well I'll be happy if they don't rob us blind.

49 ferris  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:04:20pm

I am really glad we didn't import Westminster style government here after of dust up with the Mother Country back in '76. What a mess.

That said, you have to be envious of this little note:

(A) 56-day campaign to woo voters - the longest campaign in 21 years.

That sure beats our 3 year long marathons.

50 Eagle  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:04:46pm

#37 fmfnavydoc

Well, to put Canada politics in terms of American:

NDP = communist party
Liberal (Paul Martin's) = Democratic Party
Bloc Quebecois = Hugo Chavez's party
Conservative Alliance = Gay Republicans (NTTAWWT)

(and the LLL's have been in power a LONG time)
But there's always hope....

51 Pethuel  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:05:55pm

#40 Krisper
Thank-you for the "Cliff-Notes" version of Canadian politics.
I agree with tigger2005 Rick Moranis for PM! Just so he makes sure I can still go skiing in Western Canada where they still generally like Americans and drink really good Canadian beer.

52 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:08:16pm
53 Albertanator  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:08:50pm

The liberal socialists have ruined my nation.....Canada has become a multiculti wasteland...The only thing that will save Canada is to destroy it as in the West or Alberta seperating or Quebec leaving....and that WILL happen eventually....

Even if the Conservatives manage to win the election, they will only be there for a short while.......our education system and media indocrinates kids from grade 1 to higher academia to worship the nanny state...

Let Canada be a warning to America....for the same forces are at work in your Great Country.......

At the very least, Alberta will make a great nation either on its own or by joining America!

54 krisper  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:11:26pm

#48 Stringart:

You do know that the PCs have gone the way of the dodo, right?

oops, sorry. I knew that cooking with aluminum pots was going to catch up with me one day.

55 tigger2005  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:11:46pm

# 51 pethuel

I checked on Internet, says Moranis is running a production company in NY. Does he have dual U.S./Canadian citizenship? I found a small recent picture of him with WHITE OR GRAY HAIR. Damn, and he's only 13 years older than me!

56 Ferris Bueller  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:12:07pm

The AssPress version of the story is, surprise surprise, larded with left-wing bias.

Martin is widely respected worldwide for Canada's neutrality and open arms toward immigrants and minorities.


Unemployment in Canada is at a 30-year low and Canada runs a budget surplus.
57 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:12:14pm

#49 ferris

56 days is more than we could pay for. Three years would bankrupt us. The Libs go into election mode before the election is called and start spending money like there's no tomorrow.

Since Nov. 3, the Libs have offered to bribe Canadians to vote for them to the tune of $24BILLION. Even in Canuckbucks, that is serious money.

BTW, there is not one nickel in that $24B that interests me or could convince me to vote for the rat bastards.

/with apologies to rat bastards everywhere

58 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:13:43pm
59 Salem  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:14:11pm

Well, now they have an Unidentified Flipping Government to match their Unidentified Flying Objects.

60 bic  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:16:32pm

No matter what they do you can never count the Libs down. $24 billion in pre-election spending can really help buy a lot of votes.

It just amazing how many ultra important pieces of legislation suddenly have to be passed a week before your government collapses, especially since they've been in power for the past 12 years. And oddly enough, according to an analysis in the paper today, almost every one of them sends money to heavily liberal or heavily contested ridings. Funny how that happens.

This is just 'Adscam' on a much wider basis. Only, sadly, this is perfectly legal.

Of course, I'm still keeping my extra $300 tax return, but I'm not going to like it (it doesn't help that I have to help re-write the software to include their new retroactive tax cuts).

=)

61 dak  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:19:27pm
The Liberals say they will campaign on their economic record, having wiped out a huge budget deficit,

Of course they wiped out the deficit. Income tax at about 50%, GST, tax on tax, 90 cent a liter gas (50% of which is tax), tax on booze, tax on smokes, environmental tax, tax tax tax. And fees.

And cuts. Cuts to Defence, broken healthcare etc.

The huge buget surplus only means you are taxing citizens waaaaaaaaay too much, for decades. And you brag about it.

Lets not forget the gun registry, Gay wedding, and the corruption. All the corruption.

Oh yeah, and missile defence. All you had to say was yes, and for free Canadian citizens would have enjoyed a modicum of protections against rogue nukes.

but NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

62 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:20:14pm

Why was comments disabled on the open thread?

63 ferris  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:20:36pm

I am watching the CBC coverage of Paul Martin's post defeat pep rally (via CSPAN. No, I don't have a life, what's your point?).

It's a laundry list of liberal garbage, "Canada is the concious of the world" when it comes to 'global warming', health care is great, blah, blah, blah.

The striking thing is how much this reminds me of the Clinton rally at the White House after the House voted to impeach him. Dude...you've just been kicked out of office not a time to party.

He's calling the Conservative Party 'neo-conservatives'. It's amazing how that has become an all encompassing insult. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

64 Apu Pibat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:23:26pm

Canucklehead must be crying in his Molson.

If the Conservatives win, where are the moonbats gonna go?

65 mjk  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:24:40pm

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.... (deep breath) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Goodbye, loser! I know Martin'll probably win again, but he'll be a bit o' the lame duck with a minority government. From a transplanted Canadian, hear my laughter!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

66 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:25:44pm

#62 Reaganite

It's working for me...

67 ajackson  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:26:17pm

Prediction: rerun of recent election in Germany - split vote / paralyzed coalition government.

68 ferris  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:26:38pm

#57 Stringart

I feel you pain. Our guys try to spend their way to success too (both parties).

Any advice on a good Canadian political blog or two to keep an eye during the election? My inner Political Science geek is coming out.

69 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:28:33pm

#66 Stuck in california
It came back to life!

70 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:29:15pm

#69...CPR...heh

71 LSD  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:29:42pm

Could the dreams of CAIR-Canada's
All -Sharia Canukistan be squashed?

72 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:30:30pm

Bitch all you want about liberal corruption, but one thing they did right was keep Canada the hell out of Iraq. The conservative party was chomping on the bit to get over there, but Chretian said no.

Oh yeah, Canuckers live longer than you damn Yanks. What does that tell you about health care?

73 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:32:20pm

#62 reaganite

I dunno why but I think I got the last comment in on that one.

Kinda cool I guess.

74 Apu Pibat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:33:18pm

I read an article by Austin Bay a while back and it was an interesting look at how Canaada could come apart.

IIRC, here was his scenario:

-Quebec seceeds (wow, what a huge surprise)
-British Columbia seceeds
-Saskatchewan and Alberta join the U.S.
-Ontario tries to make a go of it as kind of a "rump Canada", possibly along with Manitoba. Either that or Manitoba joins the U.S.
-The maritime provinces (New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland) join the U.S.
-Not sure about Yukon and Nunavut.

I'm sure I made a mistake here somewhere. I'll try to find the article

75 Pethuel  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:33:47pm

#53 Albertanator
One of the best ski vacations I ever took was to Bamf. One of the best steaks I ever tasted was in an Alberta steakhouse. If Alberta secedes, I'll support with tourism dollars. Just make sure Alberta gets to keep the 2 hockey teams. I am one of the ten or so NHL fans left since the lockout.

#55 tigger2005 It looks as too that Rick Moranis has released a country music CD on rickmoranis.com. There are apparently 2 free tracks to listen. I have not yet listened but he does not strike me as a country music icon. Still, stranger things have happened. I am about your age and grey hair is creeping on me too!

76 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:34:15pm

#72 canuckistan
BWAHAHAHAHAH! You lost!

77 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:34:55pm

#73 unclassifiable
It's running again.

78 Cronos  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:36:04pm

# 53

You know I've always thought we should have a few more states, and it would be great to connect Alaska with the rest of the country.

79 Macker  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:36:24pm

What! The Liberal Government is gone? YAY, eh!

NOTE TO CANADIAN ELECTORATE: Please get it right this time...then come join us so we can together kick some terrorist ass!

80 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:36:27pm

#77 reaganite

Darn.

Just when I was staking my claim to fame :)

81 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:37:23pm
Oh yeah, Canuckers live longer than you damn Yanks. What does that tell you about health care?

Nothing.

82 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:37:27pm

#72 canuckistan

See #52 [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

83 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:38:24pm

#72 canuckistan

Who wants to live to be 100 on a tundra?

84 Carridine  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:38:53pm

#34-"IMO Canada has been going to hell in a handbasket ever since the liberals/socialists got power."

Maybe, just POSSIBLY, Canadians will seize this chance to start returning from Intoxarcadia, to Responsibilia.

Surprise us, Canada! God help you!

85 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:39:10pm

From what I hear, Rove is still being investigated. It ain't over yet. My dream might still come true!

86 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:40:35pm

83 stuck
Who wants to live to be 100 on a tundra?

That's why all those "snowbirds" move to Florida for their retirement.

87 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:41:03pm

#85 canuckistan

From what I hear, Rove is still being investigated. It ain't over yet. My dream might still come true!


You heard wrong.

88 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:41:54pm
89 imploder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:42:14pm

I like most Canadians I meet.

I scratch my head at their politics, however.

And WTF? Americans traveling abroad disguised as Canucks?

I tried it once, and the Spanish bartender told me, "drop the fake Canadian accent, it is obvious you are from the South".

D'oh!

90 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:42:20pm

#85 Canuck of the north...

Not dreams....bad wine.

91 Apu Pibat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:42:51pm

And what dream would that be Canucklehead? The one where you give Sadaam head and dry hump CIndy Sheehan at the same time? (Hint: Try to imagine Hilary Clinton)

Go drink another Molson. You couldn't pay me enough to live in your shitty socialist hellhole.

92 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:43:02pm

#85 canuckistan
BTW, did you notice that Martin got knocked the f*ck out? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

93 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:43:04pm

Folks I would not hold my breath for any type of major political change happening in Canada.

After all, the main driver of that country's culture is that "It's not America".

94 krisper  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:45:13pm

Our health care system is already strained past its limits, staffed with demoralized and burnt out workers, and doomed to collapse within ten years unless we switch to a partially-privatized system with multiple tiers of service. Even France and Norway have gone this route for God's sake. The Canadian left know this, but socialized medicare is their last tattered remnant of security blanket left over from the 70s, and if it gets taken away, they'll throw SUCH a tantrum...

95 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:45:33pm

"That's why all those "snowbirds" move to Florida for their retirement"

Because they don't want to be Canadians?

96 Pethuel  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:45:35pm

#81 I'll second Dirk Diggler "Nothing" but the US will continue to be here providing state of the art medical care for Canuks who are sick of waiting "their turn" for procedures such as bypass surgery and drug-eluting stent angioplasty. Many patients play a form of Russian-roulette waiting for such procedures. I'll wager the mortality rate for Canucks would be higher without the US "safety valve."

97 Carridine  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:45:53pm

#72- It tells us that a majority of healthy Canadians cruise across the border to PAY EXTRA for quality health-care in America.

You can see this, and compare it to the poor folks left to die on gurneys or die awaiting select surgeries...

Neither health-care system is perfect, but maybe Canada can direct its efforts to resolving CANADIAN problems, eh?

98 Apu Pibat  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:46:50pm

#88 Rayra

That is, unless Canucklehead is one of those "very important people" who gets to move his name up the list and avoid the waits for treatment.

Everyone's equal, but some are more equal than others, and all that...

99 imploder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:47:01pm

#93 Unclassifiable:

Folks I would not hold my breath for any type of major political change happening in Canada.

I don't know, there's something afoot at the Circle K...

I like Ian Tyson and he's a Canadian.

Actually, I have a Canadian aunt (say: "auwnt" instead of "ant"). She's good people, and she can drink me under the table.

100 grobe  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:47:44pm

#58 Rayra

The Canadian military was gutted starting about 35 years ago and have been living on bread and water for the last 15 years. Some military personell qualify for welfare payments in some parts of the country.

Martin killed the deficit by cutting healthcare transfers to the provinces. This is one reason healthcare is in serious decline in Canada.

As a side note, my uncle spent 25 years in the Canadian military and reached the rank of full Col. He spent years training and studying with NATO and U.S. forces (Norfolk Va) and became Canada's foremost expert on electronic warfare. When he was brought back to Canada to teach what he had learned he was told that he must immediately enrol and take a 2 year French course before he could teach at the Staff College. He took early retirement and never taught a day. This is how the Canadian military works.

101 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:48:08pm
I tried it once, and the Spanish bartender told me, "drop the fake Canadian accent, it is obvious you are from the South".

I tried it in Germany and got away with it. I was "Cam from Winnipeg".

This girl in Munich asked me and my friends if we were Americans and because I had a few beers and was feeling frisky I shot back "No way, eh. I'm from Canada."

102 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:48:49pm

Canuck-istan
Interesting nic. Might even be considered ....prophetic.

Pity.

103 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:49:33pm

Canada is a great country, and please do not judge Canada by an asshole who ill represents his country. We have a number of great Canadian posters..re the Canadian health care system? This, from the LLLLLLLLL Toronto Star: Doctors want election debate on health care

Canadian politicians should be looking to Great Britain and France to find alternatives to our strained medicare system, the Ontario Medical Association said Sunday, in an effort to spur debate during the federal election campaign.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of resolutions passed by the OMA's 250-member governing council during a weekend meeting. The resolutions called on federal and provincial governments to study ``alternative delivery models" to find ways to enhance Canada's health care systems.

"We're concerned that as we move towards a federal election, none of the parties seem to be incorporating health care into their platforms," OMA president Dr. Greg Flynn told the news agency in an exclusive interview.

"And yet it's the number one issue for Ontarians."

Flynn said it's time Canadian politicians dropped the rhetoric around private delivery of health services and hold serious talks about alternatives that could reduce the lengthy waiting lists patients currently face.

"I think it's time politicians recognized — in an all-party way — that we need to have a dispassionate dialogue about where we want to go with our system, and it shouldn't be politically motivated."

Another resolution passed by the OMA council, which represents 24,000 Ontario doctors, made a "commitment to promote and enhance the publicly-funded universally accessible, portable health care system."

The OMA said too often the U.S.-style health care system is portrayed as the only alternative, while it believes Canada should instead look to countries that "share our social values, like France and the United Kingdom" for ideas.

Flynn said Canada can no longer offer patients fast access to care compared with Great Britain, which has a private, parallel system alongside its public health system, and said we should look at elements of the British and French models.

"We need to consider in an unemotional way what works elsewhere," he said. "This should be about what works, not what used to work."

Flynn noted there is already a lot of private delivery of health services in Canada, including most doctors' practices, and said politicians should stop trying to portray any private involvement in health care as a betrayal of medicare.

"I think actually the public is getting tired of that. I think they recognize that private health care is something that's a reality in Ontario, a reality in the rest of Canada," he said. ``Let's try to be clear about what it is we're talking about."

Flynn has just completed a tour of 26 Ontario cities and towns and said it's obvious "that our current system is not providing timely access to quality health care" in any community.

"It's fascinating though that in every place I went, when we delivered the message that we needed to consider other alternatives, it was very well received."

Last week, an OMA report said 1.2 million people in Ontario don't have access to a family doctor, and warned that would grow to 1.4 million people by 2006 with almost 4,000 physicians expected to retire in the next two years.

Canadians come over the border to the USA to get timely care. The system is really in need of a complete overhaul.

104 mattm  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:49:38pm

The just can't win...

105 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:51:23pm

92 reaganite
BTW, did you notice that Martin got knocked the f*ck out? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hopefully, Canadians come to their senses in the upcoming election and vote in a MAJORITY liberal government. They're still leading in the polls by about 10 points against the conservatives... but with the whole "first-past-the-post" system, anything is possible.

One thing Harper's (conserative leader) got going against him is he was silent about the softwood lumber trade dispute with the US. Oh yeah, he also was fast friends with the Bloc Quebecios when it suited his aspirations.

106 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:51:45pm

#104 mattm

The FRENCH Canadians are used to it...

107 imploder  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:53:58pm

I know what Canada needs to do, it needs to start making some stuff, and not just hockey apparel...

We need to be picking up some junk at Wal-Mart that says, "Made in Canada". How often do you see that?

Hell, even the French sell a lot of stuff here (you might not find it at Wal-Mart, however). Like Emerile Henry earthenware, LeCreuset cookware, Silpat silicone baking sheets, and lots of wine and cheese.

Even during the French boycot of Bill O'reilly, I bought a LeCreuset dutch oven, because they are the finest you will find anywhere, and the price was right.

108 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:54:02pm

#105 canuckistan

Hopefully, Canadians come to their senses in the upcoming election and vote in a MAJORITY liberal government.

You do know they just threw them out? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

109 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:56:01pm

Steve Mariucci got the axe today too.

What's Canada?

110 King Richard  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:57:25pm

#68, The best Canadian blog with a conservative bent is definitely [Link: www.smalldeadanimals.com...]
If you Yanks think you've got a left-leaning MSM, you should see ours up here! Of the 2 biggest media conglomerates, 1 of them is paid for by the gov't (yes, I know it's the taxpayer, but that isn't the way those self-serving weasels look at it), and the other is owned and operated by a card-carrying member of the Liberal Party (that's Global, owned by the Asper family). In fact, Izzy Asper (now dead) was the head of the Manitoba Liberal Party! Also, because of the tight regulation of TV and radio up here by the CRTC (similar to your FCC, but more restrictive), none of the broadcasters want to say anything particularly negative towards the governing Party because of a fear of backlash when any regulatory issues come up.
Blogs are the only medium that seem to have a majority of conservatives in them up North here.

111 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:57:32pm

The next Canadian election is expected to be on Jan 23, 2006... only 2 months away.

112 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:59:12pm

#111 canuckistan

The next Canadian election is expected to be on Jan 23, 2006... only 2 months away.

Another bad day for you! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

113 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 5:59:37pm

#68 ferris

Try Small Dead Animals , Angry in the Great White North or the Shotgun, the blog at the Western Standard, Canadian home of Mark Steyn.

I spend waaaay too much time at these blogs.

Kind of like LGF. :)

114 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:00:48pm

#109 Ward Cleaver

What's Canada?

Santa's "flyover" country.

115 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:01:10pm

#112 reaganite

Another bad day for you! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Ain't it sweet?

116 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:03:07pm

#115 Ward Cleaver

Ain't it sweet?

Can you imagine the froth on Canucklehead's monitor!

117 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:03:41pm
The next Canadian election is expected to be on Jan 23, 2006... only 2 months away.

OMG! They've got calanders up there. (and can read 'em too!)

118 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:04:53pm

"Can you imagine the froth on Canucklehead's monitor!"

Not froth, slobbers...

119 gymnast  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:05:03pm

#111, Canukistan. Is it true that you and Gordon get a group rate from that cosmetic proctologist that you guys are seeing? Is it covered by the National health scheme or do you have a 10 visit limit?

120 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:07:51pm

Canuckistan's earlier healthcare comments remind me of an article that I read touting the great life in Finland. The article compared life in Finland to life in that heartless redoubt of capitalism, the United States.

Naturally, the article focused exclusively on all the free bullshit that the government provided. "Free" health care, "free" higher education, the fact that more Finns have better wireless services than their American counterparts. (ed. comment: Who cares? What a meaningless statistic.)

Needless to say buried deep within the article was an alarming statistic. The Finnish suicide rate was twice that of the U.S.

Obviously quality of life can't be too good for a people when the people are twice as likely to take their own lives.

121 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:08:15pm

#119 gymnast


It does not need any cosmetic work on the anal cavity! It is the perfect asshole!

122 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:09:04pm

#119 gymnast

"cosmetic proctologist"?

LOL!....please elaborate.

123 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:09:43pm

#105 canuckistan

Hopefully, Canadians come to their senses in the upcoming election and vote in a MAJORITY liberal government.

I seldom swear, but what the fuck are you smoking?

Please explain why anyone with an ounce of brains and an ounce of morals would vote in lying, stealing, slimey, corrupt, crooked, useless, incompetent Libranos?

These scum have stolen money from the tax-payers and given it to their friends. They have consistently called anyone who disagrees with their liberal "values" un-Canadian. They slimed the CPC by calling them the Klan. They slimed most westerners as racist, homophobic, Holocaust deniers and accused residents of Prince George of cross-burning "as we speak" and you think we should vote them back in? With a majority?

124 V-Man  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:10:07pm

Will we get a reverse repeat of the post-Mulroney Conservative Party Debacle, which left them with only two seats nation-wide and ushered in an era of Liberal rule?

I don’t think so. Too many people have profited from the Liberals’ gifts over the years, and even if the “Libranos” find themselves in the Opposition they’ll sooner or later find their way back in power.

See, we’re going to need a lot of hard work to get our country back on its feet, and there will be many oxes to gore. So even if the Conservatives manage to shape things up, they’ll likely get voted out in the next round.

People tend to vote for the ones offering the goodies, after all. If not like the population is paying for those, right?

It’s government money.

It grows on trees or something.

125 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:10:35pm

Canadian healthcare doesn't cover cosmetic procedures. Sadly, canucks have to head south for that bunghole-lift.

126 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:10:50pm

Never mind.
Stuck explained it.

127 ferris  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:11:06pm

#113 Stringart

Thank you, I'll check them out.

128 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:11:17pm

#121 Stuck in california

It does not need any cosmetic work on the anal cavity! It is the perfect asshole!

Actually, it's to fix this!

129 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:13:08pm

#125 canuckistan

Canadian healthcare doesn't cover cosmetic procedures. Sadly, canucks have to head south for that bunghole-lift.

So what you are saying is that it sucks so bad to be there that they move here?

130 J.D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:13:18pm

canuckistan, there's no whining allowed here.

131 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:13:25pm
Sadly, canucks have to head south for that bunghole-lift.

Interesting. What the hell are you guys doing up there?

132 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:14:29pm

123 Stringart
Please explain why anyone with an ounce of brains and an ounce of morals would vote in lying, stealing, slimey, corrupt, crooked, useless, incompetent Libranos?

Uh... because the alternative is Harper and his lackies?

Don't worry, as the campaigns draw to a close, the right-wingnuts will come out of the woodwork and start saying absurd shit (like they always do when the election comes near) and scare Canadians into voting liberal again.

133 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:14:37pm

Son of a bitch if it does not know...
Canadian healthcare doesn't cover cosmetic procedures. Sadly, canucks have to head south for that bunghole-lift.

134 canuckistan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:15:58pm

It was a joke. There is no such thing as a "bunghole-lift."

Laugh. Ha ha.

135 Stuck in california  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:16:35pm

#134

Have you asked?

136 King Richard  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:16:53pm

ferris, also check out: [Link: rightthinkingpeople.blogspot.com...]

137 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:17:08pm

Now that I've gotten that out of my system, canuckistan may be right.

A liberal majority would be the best thing for Alberta separation-wise. When your fellow citizens show themselves to be morally bankrupt by re-electing known thieves, it is time to leave.

Good luck with your precious Free HealthCare(TM) once Alberta's no longer around to pay for it.

138 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:17:17pm

#132 canuckistan

and scare Canadians into voting liberal again.

Take another hit on the bong, hug your knees and keep chanting "it will be all right".

You guys got kicked out on your asses!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

139 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:28:01pm

#138 reaganite

Sadly, canucklehead might be right.

There's a large number of Canadians who feel that the government should be their mommy and daddy and do everything for them, right down to wiping their runny noses.

Tell people that their lives are their own to do with as they will, and they get all scared and hide under the bed from the scary conservative boogeyman. And vote liberal.

140 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:29:40pm

#139 Stringart
C'mon, let's enjoy it while we can!

141 Grumpy Tory Student  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:32:09pm

Good riddance to him.

142 Chris Allen  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:32:15pm

#37 fmfnavydoc:

Re the Governor General: Her appointment makes as much sense as Oprah Winfrey running for President....

143 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:34:12pm

reaganite, since you put it that way...


Hey canuckistan

You guys got kicked out on your asses! It's never happened before. You guys really suck!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(This could be as much fun as taunting Gordon.)

144 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:36:23pm

#143 Stringart

(This could be as much fun as taunting Gordon.)

Which one of the nodroGs?

145 cobra  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:38:06pm

#139 Stringart

Tell people that their lives are their own to do with as they will, and they get all scared and hide under the bed from the scary conservative boogeyman. And vote liberal.

canuckistan so much as said that in his own post #132

the right-wingnuts will come out of the woodwork and start saying absurd shit (like they always do when the election comes near) and scare Canadians into voting liberal again.
146 Americain  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:38:43pm

O.K., my .02 cents worth-

Having been born in the northern part of Quebec province in a reservation town, I want to say that I hope that Canada can rid itself of the Socialist bullshit that it has embraced for the last 40 years.

Canada used to be one of the United States' stongest allies. The "This isn't America" mantra was starting to become the national rant when my parents (God rest their souls) left to come to the States.

I have many relatives still there in Quebec province, most of them moonbats, but my favorite cousin is a popular radio personality in Montreal who signed on to the separatist movement years ago who now realizes the mess it has created.

I hope for the best in Canada and I hope that the corrupt government there can be replaced with a more conservative one that will open it's eyes to the troubled, dhimmitude society thirty-forty some odd years of liberalism has created.

Vive le Canada et les États-Unis!

/with all the mo

147 gymnast  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:40:09pm

#134, Canuckistan. Here in the States they code an anal-cephalectomy as a cosmetic procedure. You mean to say that it is done differently in Canada? Figures. Probably much more common there.

148 Catttt  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:40:18pm

On February 24, 2005, PM Martin made official Canada's decision not to take part in the U.S government’s Ballistic Missile Defense program.

Will this change, do you think? I've read that the separate NORAD agreements (hammered out this past summer) got what the US needed through the back door and that PM Martin et al did it that way to save face and not get yelled at.

Just don't want any little holes in our defense shield, is all.

Isn't it a little annoying that some honchos in Canada are fretting about ET but don't seem concerned about having the ability to stop a missle attack in their back yard?

149 nextcube  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:41:42pm

#37 fmfnavydoc

I did check out your link to the Governor General's webpage.

There seemed to be a definite "of color" fixation to her remarks...like the Governor General is the Canadian Minister of Diversity instead of the Queen's stunt-double.

(For those wondering who the Governor General is, (s)he is the representative of the British Crown at Canadian Parilament. The Governor General's approval is needed to make any bill passed by parilament law, however, the GG has never acted in opposition to Canadian Parliament.)

150 Stringart  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:44:18pm

#144 reaganite

You mean they're not all fun to taunt?

151 Americain  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:46:11pm

my #146

/with all the mo

Don't know where that came from, perhaps a Freudian (piss be upon him) slip?

152 reaganite  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:46:59pm

#150 Stringart

You mean they're not all fun to taunt?

Well some are like picking on the kids who ride the short bus...

153 rebus  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:47:21pm

Second the Smalldeadanimals recommendation.

Here is an example.

and here is on rural areas.

154 maddog44  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:49:03pm

#134 canucistan
Come on down here boy, I'll be proud and pleased to give you that bunghole lift. Size 12.

155 gymnast  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:56:04pm

#149, nextcube. My Man, The Reverand Al has mentioned that he has "a thing" for the Governor General. Do you think you or Canuckistan could put a good word in for him? As the leading moderate progressive Democrat candidate for President of the USofA at this time, Al says that international relations is high on his list of priorities. He may even consider re-establishing diplomatic with Canada if he and the Governor General can get it on. I asked Al if he meant that relations get on the agenda and he said, "yeah the sooner the better", "that Ho, she look well padded". I told Al that anything was possible.

156 Pennies for Patriots  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:57:21pm

Re: #72 canuckistan

"Bitch all you want about liberal corruption, but one thing they did right was keep Canada the hell out of Iraq. The conservative party was chomping on the bit to get over there, but Chretian said no."

I think it had more to do with their air force crashing into their navy and one fourth of their submarine fleet filling up with water and catching fire because the instructions weren't in all ten official languages.

I can see how that might diminish their willingness to leave home.


No offence to the loyal and dedicated people of the Canadian services.

157 mjk  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:58:06pm

Hey, hey, hey! I'm Canadian and I may be living in California right now (how the hell did that happen?), but I like to think I'm a fairly normal person.
I just talked to my parental units in Saskatchewan and they're pretty excited to see if we can boot Martin's ass out. We may not be able to, but we can at least limit his power. I always tell people that Canadian government started going to hell in a handbasket with Pierre Trudeau.
And I was a nurse in Canada for a while until I realized what a messed up health care system we had. It's going to topple under the weight of its own deficit pretty soon.

158 Albertanator  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:09:56pm

To 103 NY Nana...

One thing I would disagree with NY Nana is that Canada is NOT a great country...Not anymore by a longshot.......WE WERE a great country 40 years ago before the vile socialists multiculti degenerates ruined us....

If you mean by great, our geographical beauty and our vast resources...Yes we are great in that sense but in the ethical, moral sense, we have become greatly bankrupt and badly brainwashed..

For what its worth.......we are looking at another minority govt. either for the Conservatives or liberals.....probably the conservatives as the libs will lost 10 seats in Quebec to the Separatists and the Conservatives will clean up out West here even more so and probably gain a few seats in Ontario....

At the very least, the Libs will be held accountable and that is a helluva lot better then the majority dictatorship they have had here for decades....

Ohhhhh Canada indeed!

159 Lizardoid Minion #32603  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:21:52pm

#45 krisper

I'd vote for John Howard. We should kidnap him.

Noooo! You can't have him! He's ours!

We can let you borrow Peter Costello for a couple of years. He's our Treasurer; Australia has a consistent budget surplus and by next year will have no national debt.

But we want him back by 2008.

160 nextcube  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:27:51pm

#155 gymnast

Actually, I'm from Whitesboro, NY (and the white guy in the village logo is wrestling the Oneida Indian, not strangling him).

But my paternal grandfather immigrated from Ontario in the 1920s...and drink lots of Labatt Blue...and I cheated and took the tour of Canadian Parliament so I'm, you know, up on that Canadian stuff. :)

161 J.D.  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:40:40pm

Antonia Zerbisias links to LGF...

162 Antioch  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:43:45pm

I chuckled over the Red Green episode (yea, I watched it, so what?) where Red asks his nephew to call the Canadian Air Force, and his nephew replies, "Oh, it's after 6:00... he's gone home for the night."

163 stoked  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:02:02pm

Is this the guy that just got voted in when some gal on the parliment jumped parties at the last minute? That would be great.

164 stoked  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:05:30pm

"And I was a nurse in Canada for a while until I realized what a messed up health care system we had. It's going to topple under the weight of its own deficit pretty soon."

Remember how the liberals went on and on AND ON about going to Canada because Bush was screwing up medical care down here. Haaaaaaaaaaa! Can you believe how stupid they were?

165 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:07:55pm
166 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:11:34pm
167 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:15:44pm
168 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:17:28pm
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170 Havoc  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 9:32:57pm

Canuckistan

Some critically important statistics for you ...
here

What you should do day after Canuck Elections on Jan. 24 ... but only call between 9 and 5 ... National Health care on a budget you know.

but if you shoot yourself before they answer -- don't worry, It's only 4-6 months in Canada for surgery

and don't miss the page with the "Cattle Call" to see a physician.

No wonder people leave Canada, my father-in- law and wife did.

Illegals recieve better care here in the U.S. than you Canucks at the hands of your own Government.

171 greenmamba  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:22:01pm

#72 Canuckistan

one thing they did right was keep Canada the hell out of Iraq.

That's an interesting point because Chretien had made the decision that we were going. He changed his mind when Quebec said no. The most likely scenario is that Paul Desmarais called him and said to stay away. (I have heard this data from several sources including personal ones in the right places.)

Since then the libs have been milking the anti-U.S. cow for all its worth. Did you see Chretien recently on TV after Gomery was out, saying if it wasn't for him we'd have body bags coming home from Iraq. (Watch for the body bag meme during the pre-election phase.)

It's a pity you can't see through the liberal cant because I suspect there's actually a goodish brain in there somewhere. Instead you fall for each line they trot out. So sad.

172 Mardukhai  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 10:30:43pm

# 170 Havoc

Illegals recieve better care here in the U.S. than you Canucks at the hands of your own Government.

Sorry, Havoc, that's a load of bullshit. I'm on disability. My wife doesn't qualify. We know how the non-covered are treated in this country. My wife has needed a minor operation to relieve excrusiating pain, but no way. She'd get it in Canada.

As for waits -- a four month wait is better than two years with no end in sight.

I'm the biggest enemy Canada has as a phoney national state. (They're not a country, really, but a combination in restraint of trade.)

yet I also know that Canadians spend less than nine percent on health care to our 13 percent -- and they are a lot healthier than we are because they can afford to be treated immediately.

And no one goes bankrupt over medical bills, as happens here -- it's the biggest cause.

So learn something, first. I prefer the Australian system to the Canadian. It's mixed public and private, but it has the same result. Our system is just plain sadistic.

173 yochanan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:09:54pm

canukistan with aprox 30 million people has 4 parties (well can the NDP be called a partie?) Up until recently they had 5 parties but the two consertive parties (by canukistan standards) have been united to one party. The right wing of this party is like the American Republican party and mostly based in Alberta (North Texas due to it having lots of oil and cowboys) the left wing of this party aka 'red' tories is pretty much like the 'dlc' in the democrat party. The Liberal party is to the left of the centerist wing of the democrat party. Almost as far left as the greens. The NDP is socialist party in which a number of different kinds of marxist play in the kiddy pool. The Bloc Qubec is a leftist nationalist party which at this point has close to 80% of the vote in quebec. The Liberals and a small conserative quebec nationalist party fight over the 20% of the vote. The Liberals getting the anglo votes and the conserative quebec party geting the religous cat. vote.

What do I think will happen? The Liberals will lose a few seats in English Canada and The Bloc Quebec will be the big winner in Quebec. English Canada will be devided and weak and the beginning of an independent in some form. quebec in canada? That is the big question in my opinion.

174 yochanan  Mon, Nov 28, 2005 11:48:00pm

i guess i killed off the canukistan thread.

Could not happen to a nicer ****'ry.

175 Earl  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 1:41:51am

Re: #72 canuckistan

"The conservative party was chomping on the bit to get over there [Iraq], but Chretian(sic) said no."

Not really. It was an admixture of Liberal and central-Canadian gag-reflex anti-Americanism, coupled with Chretien's family ties (through his daughter France) to the Desmarais family, whose corporate holdings include the largest single shareholding in Total Elf, the french oil compamy that stood to make billions with the deals it had brokered with Saddam.

That is, Chretien did not support Canadian involvement in Iraq, so as to enrichen his grandchildren.

176 ShiksaGrrrl  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 2:12:53am
Bitch all you want about liberal corruption, but one thing they did right was keep Canada the hell out of Iraq. The conservative party was chomping on the bit to get over there, but Chretian said no.


Political Semantics!

We sent our military to Afghanistan instead, thereby freeing up more Americans to enter Iraq in order that many here in Ontario still voted Liberal!


;-)

177 ShiksaGrrrl  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 2:18:38am
Sorry, Havoc, that's a load of bullshit. I'm on disability. My wife doesn't qualify. We know how the non-covered are treated in this country. My wife has needed a minor operation to relieve excrusiating pain, but no way. She'd get it in Canada.


Anyone who needs care gets it here. Rumours fly otherwise but I have known several people just in the last year that needed triple by pass surgerys and they got them right away and the best treatment possible......free!

I had an episode of dizziness a few months ago. It was suspected to be nothing more than a microscopic piece of calcium that had dislodged itself from my ear drum and soon passed.

On the slight chance it might be the first sign of MS, I was booked and received an MRI within an 8 day period.......free!
Yet we hear all of the time how impossible they are to come by here and that one must go down to the states and pay for such a test.

178 TMF  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 2:30:15am

The march of liberalism! So impressive!

The BACKWARDS march.

179 mjk  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 4:46:46am

My Grandpa (G-d rest his soul) had to wait six months for hip surgery. I had to wait three months for an ultrasound. My mother had to wait four months to see a GI specialist. So I suppose it depends on what you mean by waiting lists....
Most people in Canada can get their emergent health care needs taken care of right away. But if it's not considered emergent, onto the waiting list they go.

Canadians pay for their health care. Through the taxes we pay. Don't ever say our health care system is "free" because it's not. It's going to get worse. As the "baby boomers" retire, so goes lots of taxable income. As they retire, so goes a major part of the nursing staff. The average age of nurses in Canada is 40 (that was a couple of years ago, so it's probably higher). Wages for nurses suck (trust me) although they are getting better all over. Unfortunately there aren't many people who are sticking with nursing as their "career". They refuse to do bedside nursing for thirty years. I'll raise my hand in volunteering that I have quit bedside nursing.

The government in Canada is sticking its head in the sand regarding the coming nursing shortage and the imminent collapse of our health care system. And will continue to do so until it actually happens. I've said for years that we need to have a combination of private and public funds for health care in Canada and no one agrees with me. It's going to happen.

180 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 4:53:36am

Canada in Iraq? With what?

181 jeffr  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 5:44:12am

Slightly OT:

Bomb attack on G8 meeting in Ottawa thwarted

but police won't give details about whether itw as anarchists or Islamists.

This was in 2002, and we're just hearing about it now. Front page of the Ottawa Citizen, next to the story about the election.

182 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 5:52:05am

Straight poll numbers don't mean much. A federal election is in reality 306 seperate elections for individual seats in Parliament. Most of western Canada is solidly Conservative, but any votes more than the number required to win the seat are meaningless in deciding the eventual outcome. Quebec will vote massively for the Bloc, with a few seats to the Liberals. The east coast has too small a population to make a signigicant difference in elections. That's why the election will be won or lost in Ontario. The vote was close to even here last time, & will be again. The final outcome all depends on how the seats go in each riding.

183 John B  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:12:54am

#58 Rayra:

As Grobe (#100) pointed out, the military had been suffereing cutbacks for years prior to the Liberals. Federal spending can be looked at two ways (ignoring debt payment s for now), program spending and transfer payments. Program spending is managed directly by the feds, transfer payments are just that - payments of federal taxes money transferred to the provinces to help pay for areas under provincial jurisdiction. It so happens that health care costs are the largest item the provinces must pay for. The Conservatives under Mulroney made feeble attempts to control runaway spending (inherited from Trudeau) by cutting programs, sometimes to the bone. Mulroney didn't have the gumption to reduce transfer payments to the provinces which is where the bulk of spending went.

When it looked like the federal government would hit the debt wall in the early-mid '90's, Martin as finance minister persuaded Chretien to attack transfer payments. Essentially, the problem got dumped onto the provinces to sort out.

#61 Dak:

For the record, the GST is not a tax on a tax (in Ontario anyway). It's levied separately from any provincial sales tax.

BTW - remember the GST only replaced the manufacturers sales tax which had been previously increased to 13.5% by the Conservatives.


#105 Canukistan:

"Hopefully, Canadians come to their senses in the upcoming election and vote in a MAJORITY liberal government."

Whaa? The most corrupt government in Canadian history. Smoking too much BC Bud are you?

#68 Ferris

In addition to the several Canadian blogs already mentioned, I would also recommend Damian Penny's blog ([Link: www.damianpenny.com...]

184 amfex  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:17:30am

For the first time in 15 years, Canadian politics is an ounce more exciting.

I urge all Canadian LGFs to volunteer for the Conservative candidates in their area, or at least go to debates and shout down the liberal and communist candidates.

I was watching a call in show yesterday, and a woman said that if we really want to find truth we have to get rid of the United States. Do you see what type of moonbats we are up against here? This election is crucial, even though I think that sucky Canadians will vote in the Liberals. We truly are a loser country if this happens. I say that we are ripe for an invasion by the US. Please come and take our oil and make us human, you will do a better job than we are doing with the abundant resources that God gave us.

185 amfex  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:23:30am

#179

Let's not forget the new mass of immigrants that the Liberals want to let in to our country. We are not talking about immigrants looking to start businesses, but a reunification of older parents and grandparents with new Canadians (mostly from South East Asia). This means an even bigger drain on our health care, especially since they will not be contributing to the economy at all. They will be contributing to the Liberals however.

When my grandparents came to this country after the Holocaust they had to have sponsors, a job and learn English. They built businesses and never accepted a handout.

Today's Canada is unrecognizable from the one 10 years ago. The key word is 'social programs', not personal responsibility.

I have to stop writing, because I am really getting depressed. I am so ready to move to the US.

186 canuckistan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:28:18am

One thing to note about medical waiting lists, is that doctors prioritize cases depending on how deadly the condition is. That's why you hear about people getting emergency CAT scans in a few days, but hip replacements sometimes take months. That's because a bad hip won't kill you.

I also get the impression Canadians don't know what surgery costs. A hip replacement will cost you $24000 (US dollars). That's almost a year's wages for a Canadian. There's not a rush of people heading off to the states for medical care -- only the rich go.

Cost Info...
[Link: www.medical-tourism-india.com...]

187 canuckistan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:35:06am

Look, Egypt is the best place to live! (If you're looking for a low suicide rate.)

[Link: www.uni-wuerzburg.de...]

188 zaphod beeblebrox  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:37:32am

This is a godsend to my long-suffering father who hates the Liberals. I'm voting NDP I think...

I am so sick of listening to inane comments about how Canada is a "socialist" country, that our health care system doesn't work, that we're a backwoods frozen tundra, etc. etc.

If you make any of the above comments, I'm sorry, but you're simply running with herd of the easily led. I don't mindlessly criticize the U.S. saying that "all Americans are idiots" or such trash. Where I disagree with U.S. policy, I say so. Recycling tired old insults may be comforting, but ultimately you just sound like a moron.

189 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:49:21am

NPD a wasted vote unless you really like socalism.

190 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 6:52:02am

#186 canuckistan

If we had private health care in Canada, there would be more MRI's & more facilities for hip replacements. It's not just "the rich" (as you so condesendingly refer to them) who go to the States for treatment. Many working Canadians spend their life savings in the US for healthcare the gov't system won't give them.

Oh, and waiting for 6 months for a hip replacement, immobile & in pain can indeed kill you, or at the very least, lead to further complications which cost even more money.

but I suppose you think it's ok for old people to suffer like that?

191 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 7:02:01am

#180 yochanan

Canada has a small, underfunded, but very well trained & highly regarded military. Just ask any US soldiers who have worked with them. The Chretien gov't sat on the fence during the run-up to the Iraq war. At the last minute, Canada decided to extend & increase our troop commitment to Afghanistan, thereby eliminating any possible troops for deployment to Iraq. By the way, the Canadian navy (yes, we have one) was involved indirectly in OIF by providing fleet security in the Persian Gulf.

American's who would like to have a greater military contribution from Canada would help if they were better informed & less insulting.

192 Stringart  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 7:23:05am

#191 Kenneth

Last summer, History Channel had a documentary about HMCS Winnipeg and their role in maritme-interdiction in the Gulf.

I don't recall if it was Winnipeg alone, or all the Halifax-class frigates combined, but something like 70% of all interdiction and boarding was done by us.

Our military may be small and under-funded, but the men and women serving are top-notch and take a backseat to no one.

HMCS Winnipeg

193 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 7:30:37am

#192 Stringart

Thanks for the link. The chronic & deliberate underfunding of our military is the # one reason I'm voting against the Liberals.

194 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 7:49:21am

During WW2 Canada had a great military and after the war the Canadian navy was the third largest in the world. It is rather sad what has become of it. I am well aware of the fact that you were in WW2 almost 2 years before we were. But compared to the Aussies who have been in every military engagement with us since before WW1 Canada has done very little. Getting offended will not change the fact that Canada sucks on the American tit when it comes to defence. And has for the last 30 years. If canada spent what it should on National Defense it might not be able to afford some of it social programs that it likes to rub in our faces.

1. buying 4 used subs and one of them almost sinks.

2. Sea King helo's, do they still fly?
3. and having tanks that you can't move because you don't have the air lift capacity?
Can Bombider build a plane that can lift a heavy door stop? oops i mean tank.

In the comming election the only real winner will be BLOC QUEBEC. The anglospere will be rather divided only the francophones will come out of this united. Not that the world needs another French socialist rep.

195 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 7:54:57am

#194 yochanan

I don't get offended when you list the facts, as above. I just get mad at our shitless gov't. You are dead right about Canada free-loading off the US for security.

And as for the election, I'm not very optimistic about the future. Somebody called Canada "the next failed state". It makes me shudder to think it, but he might be right.

196 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:12:33am

Kenneth I used to rather enjoy going to Canada. I have been there at least a dozen times the first being expo 67. and the last being last winter. I was even in Quebec City when the FLQ was doing its mail box bombing and the federal gov't imposed the WAR MEASURES ACT. Over the years I have spent a littleless than a year in Canada I have been in every prov. but the three northern ter. What I have noticed is a growing Anti Americanism in Canada each trip it keep getting worse. Last winter I was in canada for almost 2 weeks It seems that some Canadians have to witness there anti-americanism to Americans in the same manner that christian fundies seem to have to witness there religous beliefs. When you are a tourist you don't want to debate politics but on what should have been a wonderful trip I spent 3 days on VIA RAIL from Vancouver to Toronto getting harrased by some NDP'ers some of the most hateful Anti-American & Anti-semitic crap I have heard in a long time. If it was a one time thing i would have brushed it off as just bad luck hitting some 'fugly canunks' but it happened way too offen.

Canuk nationalism WE ARE NOT AMERICANS

197 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:19:19am

And two years ago I was at a Canuks / Blackhawks game in Vancouver question I have is booing during a countrys national anth. normal canadian sportsmanship? Maybe I missed something in the hockey rule book?

198 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:21:02am

#196 yochanan

I appreciate your candor. I'm sad to say, your experience is all to common. Frankly, I'm ashamed of that aspect of our culture. Somebody once called it the "fanaticism of tiny differences". I used to be an NDPer, with usual anti-americanism. 9-11 changed that for me. It made me think about real values, not political positions or personalities. Canada has no better friend than America, even if we don't acknowledge it.

199 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:32:15am

Two prov. that I never had any anti americanism in were Alberta and Newfoundland.
In fact I had rather nice exp. with newfies.

The other place that was very nice was Tri Rivers, Quebec. which was a bit of a surprise given the nasti ness of Montreal.

200 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:42:45am

#199 yochanan

The Newfs are great. Hard people who live a hard life, they know how to be hospitable. And Alberta is more like Texas than Canada.

201 Superjhero  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 9:49:02am

Canuckistan,

Canada also has a higer suicide rate...what does that tell you.

202 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 10:10:58am

superjhero you would have to look at were those suicide occured Canada has a lot of hidden poverty, Unlike America the poorest people in Canada live in rural areas offen not in places the ave person would go. Indian and other native peoples lived in very bad conditions offen with out central heating or electric. And if you decide to walk from china town to the old town tourist area in Vancouver you will pass through an area of heroin, crack addicts, and whores as bad as anything in the states. A fair % of these are what the pol. correct crowd would call 'first canadians' and these problems are repeated in much of the rural north.

203 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 10:15:59am

I have heard Alberta called North Texas. It is the most American of canadian prov. Much more like Montana than ontario or B.c.

But the odd thing is Vancouver is more like Seatle than it is like Toronto. And some parts of the Maritimes are more like New England as well. If one were honest anglo Canada is more like America than it is like Quebec. And after the next election that should be clear to even the most anti american canadian.

204 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 10:18:45am

How do you say "yeaaaahhhhargh" in Canadian?

Hahahahaha.

PS: Canadian lizards, party time!

205 NY Nana  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 11:05:54am

#161 J.D.

Ze beast? Does Charles know? I will not click on her blog, the America bashing, Jew hating bitch.

And to those who mentioned Michaelle Jean, the GG? She is Haitian born, and had dual citzenship, or actually tri citizenship, as marrying her Fwench-born husband, a known seperatist, gave it to her. She should never have been appointed in the first place, IMHO. I believe that she finally renounced her Fwench citizenship.

She replaced Adreinne Clarkson, who was involved in a spending scandal among other things. She was appointed by Jean Chretien.

206 NY Nana  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 11:19:13am

#198 Kenneth

In 24 years of going to Toronto, as I have said ,we have spent the equivalent of a year, at least, and honestly have never had a bad experience. We are obviously New Yorkers (I may confuse people, as I was born in Boston, but my accent is about 99% NY:)

We just got back 2 weeks ago, in fact. The CBC, Toronto Star, Globe and Snail, etc., make me cringe. But the people that we know, and those who we talk to, have been both friendly and nice to us..last year we drove up before the Presidential election, and voted absentee..we had a large magnetic Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on the passenger side door, as the bumpers on Volvos are now all plastic, and not one nasty gesture on the QEW, or the 401...just some thumbs up, and friendly waves. To be honest, it was not what we expected.

Sadly, every country has its raving moonbats, and politicians who are pathetic, but they do not represent John Q. Public, and we really do love Canada, and enjoy our vacations so much.

207 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 11:55:17am

NY Nana i was not in a car i travled by train and bus, Plus I was in some Moonbat sections as well. Which might have been the reasons for some of it.

One of the interesting differences in border control. Canadian border control is about collectiing taxes, and American border control is about national security.

208 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 11:58:06am

[Link: www.filibustercartoons.com...] interesting cartoons from canada

209 yochanan  Tue, Nov 29, 2005 2:29:21pm

vote

BLOC QUEBEC!


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