Albright is an idiot.

#1

Now, now, Sarah. Madeline is only half as bright as you might think.

what sarah said

Every time I hear the words "Muslim Brotherhood" I get an image of the "Brotherhood" in Larry Niven and Jerry Pournell's "Lucifer's Hammer"

Madelein Halfbright, another Clintonista doing their best to undermine America.

But she cares about the children.

the banned Muslim Brotherhood has made stunning gains by winning 76 seats in ongoing parliamentary elections

I'm confused. If they are banned how are they winning seats? As write ins?

I thought NBC did some kind of report last night on their evening news about infiltration of islamofascist elements? I wasn't in the room when it was on, but if someone can enlighten me while I go search NBC, go right ahead...

Every time I hear Brotherhood, I get an image of Nazis bu-fuing eachother like in HBO's 'OZ'. Guess I'm not that far off.

#6 Roger

MB is banned from running as MB, so their candidates run as "independants". They make speeches about the MB agenda, & everybody knows what they mean, they just don't say the words "Muslim Brotherhood".

OT but are lizards discussing the President's speech on Iraq at the Naval Academy on LGF yet? Thanx.

Albright isn't. She's right up there with cokane, I think I spelled that correctly wrong. But don't worry, I have some good news. You can lose up to 15% of your body weight by switching to Islam.

Madeline (the French butter cookie) Halfbright is running for chief Dhimi.

I read her remarks a few days ago. Now when islamics ban an islamic group one would think that you should step back for a minute and contemplate whether it is a repressive act, or one that is necessary for the safety of the country.

Seeing as the Brotherhood advocates shari'a law in Egypt, which is why it was banned, it seems to me that Albright agrees with the MB. I wonder if she thinks her word is 1/3 as good as a mans?

#11 beagle

Too funny. You also lose 100% of the gray matter to islam!

(I need my head, my brains are in it.)

It would be a mistake to exclude Islamist parties on the assumption they are inherently undemocratic or prone to violence

I believe this is an example of shot-gunning multicult Kool-Aid.

Interesting report about the MD "Project" turning up in Switzerland. Tariq Ramadan is a Swiss citizen, and although he claims he is not a member of the MB, his father was a senior member, & his grandfather was the founder. It has been alledged he is secretly a leading member of MB, with the responsibility of leading the jihad by takiyya in Eurabia.

Brush up on your 'Kumbaya" lyrics, M Asshat,and go lead them in a sing-a-long why dotcha?

I wonder if she thinks her word is 1/3 as good as a mans?

Considering she's about two feet tall, you could consider her 1/3 a man.

Also, let's not forget that Hamas is but another branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

alegrias

I think some were live-blogging it this morning on the wheel thread.

#9 Kenneth, Ok thanks. So if they get enough seats they can form the MBNC (Muslim Brotherhood National Committee) in the same week they lift the silly band.

i con't seem to shake the image of Albright sitting with Yasser,it looked like "Down home with the Arafarts"

Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Palis, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, CAIR, DNC, what's the difference?

They're all committed to the destruction of America and the free world.

Do any of these nitwits get the f-ing picture yet?

Idiotic comment from the trolls in 5, 4, 3...

Well, I can't find anything useful on NBC's site, mostly because I don't recall enough of what they were saying to figure out what to search for.

Grr.

is this the same Mad madeline who yukked it up with kim il? somebody tell her to stfu and stfd.

...the banned Muslim Brotherhood has made stunning gains by winning 76 seats in ongoing parliamentary elections.

Must be a typo; that would make them more than a tiny minority of extremists.

#19 Sarah D.

Also, let's not forget that Hamas is but another branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

For that matter, so is Al-Qaeda.

#10 alegrias

The NYT headline, typical msm bullsh*t:

Bush Again Rejects Calls for a Withdrawal Timetable in Iraq

How about the "liberal media again rejects call for reality"?

Albright is a dangerous fool. The Brotherhood had links with Nazi Germany in WWII, fought against the Israelis in the first war in the 40's and has been banned many times, particularly in Egypt. They keep these thugs down in Egypt, thank goodness, and we should not stick our noses in. The Brotherhood has a public (moderate) and a private (fanatic) face. Some quotes from them:

Teach our children to love taking revenge on the Jews and the oppressors, and teach them that our youngsters will liberate Palestine and Al-Quds [Jerusalem] when they go back to Islam and make jihad for the sake of Allah."

In the long run, Muslims cannot be satisfied with the acceptance of German family, estate, and trial law. … Muslims should aim at an agreement between the Muslims and the German state with the goal of a separate jurisdiction for Muslims.

Taken from a very detailed and well sourced article here
The Muslim Brotherhood's Conquest of Europe

Is Albright still a virin?

#14 alegrias

You also lose 100% of the gray matter to islam!

If not figuratively, then literally! But hey, at least they give you a choice!

But seriously, how dangerous could they be? Certainly not as dangerous as our elected leaders. Right? No? Oh. Nevermind.

#24 3 wood

Idiotic comment from the trolls in 5, 4, 3...

My bet is that they'll claim it is shameless, clumsy fraud, no different than The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, cooked up "Neocons."

The best way to marginalise violent extremists is to make room for as broad a range of non-violent perspectives as possible

-- Albright

Then they feel left out, pick up their machetes and RPG's, and wander back to their caves?

Instead, maybe we should be asking ourselves why violent extremists are so popular within Islam in particular? We're not going to like the answer. It will require decades of effort in Iraq if we choose to continue there (doubtful our politics will allow it). But at least we'll have a fighting chance of continuing democratic institutions with respect for individual rights if we confront reality.

Francis Fukuyama may be right philosophicallly, in the abstract, but medieval thinking appeals to a huge percentage of the world's population.

#29 Kenneth

And along that same vein, I just checked the CNN website and saw no mention of Senator Lieberman's upbeat report and assessment on the situation overseas. Gee, I wonder why?

#13 Sarah D.

If Madelyn goes to pay a visit to Mohammed Atta's dad in Egypt to offer the standard Clintonista apology, you know she's pro-Al Qaida, pro-Sharia, anti-US.

Hard to believe this is now by definition, a Dem, excepting very few such as Sen. Lieberman. (What a great pro-US in Iraq mission op-ed he wrote in yesterday's WSJ)

32 jehu. Oh puleeze, I was eating my lunch. Just lost my appetite! Funny story I heard about her once; she walked into a meeting in the Kremlin and one of the old apparatchiks, seeing this dumpy gnome slump into the room, assumed she was the cleaning babushka and ordered her to clear away the teacups. Apparently she went ballistic.

#20 godfrey

Thanks for the tip re: Bush's speech--if there's a way to search threads for juicy bits, I don't know how yet. Appreciate you.

Did you know Texas A&M is the only college in America with a horse drawn artillery unit?

Which is actually a bad thing, as it gives the aggies access to horse manure.

Member of A&M Parsons Mounted Cavalry arrested after shoveling horse manure onto members of The University of Texas Longhorn Band.

People from oustide Texas may think I'm kidding when I talk about how just how backwards college educated people can be, but thats because they haven't met the students and graduates of the farming and marching college up Highway 6, in Bryan, the town time forgot.

It's the nature of the leftists at the State Department to downplay the role of the Muslim Brotherhood at home and abroad. They are either innocently obllvious (not likely), willfully ignorant (unlikely, too) or morally corrupt. They have too much invested in the old realpolitik or "realism" of the Reagan/Bush I era to ever recognize the policy's deficiencies. Better to keep "our" bastards in power, and maintain the status quo, then it would be to institute any dramatic foreign policy change that may reflect bad on the Department's analytical judgement.

The Brotherhood would also like to maintain the status quo, because they have had the advantage these past several decades raising funds, establishing "charities," etc. They find willing partners among the aging leftists at the State Dept.

State Department needs a new "early out" program for its senior analysts. It's about time some retire to their second homes in the OBX and work on their golf swing.

Fedie Defensor #39

That is funny. I bet if they had seen Reno they would have assumed she was there to hang a door or patch the roof.

People ought to look at what Halfwit has caused. Certianly the death of hundreds of thousands in Africa. Ignoring Rwanda. Demanding rebels be at the table in Congo, which resulted in civil war and thousands hacked to death. God spare us from liberal fools...PLEASE!

alegrias

if there's a way to search threads for juicy bits

I find the "find on this page" option pretty useful. It's in one of your browser's menus.

#16 kenneth

Can you believe Tariq Ramadan, a blueblood of Muslim Brotherhood, was invited to attend a conference on Islam by my alma mater, George Mason U in now sadly moonbat jihadist Northern Virginia? Course, they also invited at student or taxpayer expense, MichAl Moore, the beached LLL whale, to promote Kerry before last years' election.

Treason, treason, treason, won't anyone prosecute traitors? On top of which, come Dec., we're all paying Valerie Plame's federal retirement after her career sending her hubby out to fell the President.

There is, was and never will be anything good about that old bag Albright...Hard for anyone to outdo Willy and Hilly but she did...

#5 JammieWearingFool:

But she cares about the children.

So did MoHamMed, especially the boys.

Let's see if I understand this correctly:
Albright goes over to Egypt and tells the government that it should not interfere with the Muslim extremist party known as the Muslim brotherhood from running in elections there.

Albright is called all sorts of names...deservedly so.

Now.
Condi Rice goes over to Israel and tells the Israeli government that it should not interfere with the Muslim extremist party known as Hamas from running in elections there.

Rice is called a candidate for President.

Egypt Copts sound alarm over Islamist advance

Egypt's Christian Coptic minority voiced concern over the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood Monday, after the still illegal Islamist opposition group made impressive gains in parliamentary elections. "I am sounding the bell to warn Egyptians that if the Muslim Brothers come to power, Egypt will be an Islamic state, like Iran or Sudan," said prominent Coptic thinker Milad Hanna. The Brotherhood claimed it had won another 13 seats in the second phase of the three-stage elections, adding to the record 34 seats they won in the first, and stood to win more seats in second-round run-offs. "Had these elections been fair and transparent, maybe the Muslim Brothers would have won a majority," Hanna said, in reference to reports of widespread fraud, voter intimidation and violence from ruling party thugs. The domination by President Hosni Mubarak's National Democratic Party is not at risk but it will for the first time have to face a substantial challenge in the People's Assembly if the Muslim Brothers make further gains.

"I was always friendly with the Muslim Brothers," said Hanna, 81. "My aim was to prevent conflicts, notably in small villages, so that Coptic minorities are not wiped out. Now I sense that the political map is changing. "The day the Muslim Brothers win more than 50 percent, the rich Copts will leave the country and the poorer Copts will stay, maybe some of them will be converted... I hope I will die before this happens." So far only one Copt, NDP heavyweight and finance minister Yusef Butros-Ghali, has won a seat. The Copts claim to account for around 10 percent of Egypt's population of 73 million and have consistently complained of under-representation and marginalisation.

US Reaching Out to Muslim Brotherhood: Report

The State Department believes that Washington can contain the group and its ilk through dialogue. The memo, according to the Western diplomatic sources, maintains that it is about time that the administration looked differently at religious groups and avoided any further clash with them, because this would only fan hatred and incite more attacks against US interests. They added that the State Department has asked the US Embassy in Cairo to reach out to the Muslim Brotherhood's leaders as a preliminary step for an organized dialogue. The memo recommends that after reaching common understandings with the Muslim Brotherhood, Washington should pressure the Egyptian government to let the group members speak out their minds freely and play a role on the country's political landscape.

Egyptian Scholars Warn Against Removing Shari`ah

Following growing calls by "certain quarters" for removing the Constitutional Article about Shari`ah as a source of legislation in Egypt, some 110 Egyptian scholars and men of thought warned such a move could violate societal harmony, considering Shari`ah a red line never to be crossed. “Such calls put at stake social peace in Egypt,” warned a statement signed by the intellectuals.

And Albright was SO successful in her dealings with North Korea, that we should trust her on this one.

41 Ed, thats all well and good and a cool factoid...but what we really want to know is:

Were you drunk there?

Never been drunk in aggieland.

So let's see if I've got this straight...the best way to marginalize violent extremists with designs of world domination is to mainstream them and grant them legitimacy? Is it just me, or shouldn't anybody with half a brain be able to see just how idiotic that assertion is?

And they give people like this big money on the lecture circuit. Sheesh.

#45 alegrias

I can believe it. Is he attending or is he still banned from the US? The Globe and Mail has run several editorials by this guy. He is an expert in takkiya & a very dangerous man.

If she is a 'former' anything, what is she doing at a conference?
She's as bad as that noodle-spined ex-president that left americans as hostages for 400-some days.

This story -- the plans for a global Islamic caliphate, and the struggle to achieve it -- is the most important story in the world today, and possibly our lifetimes. And the media is mostly ignoring it. How can a blog have an exclusive on a story of such epochal magnitude?

More evidence that the MSM is finished.

U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press

As part of an information offensive in Iraq, the U.S. military is secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.

The articles, written by U.S. military "information operations" troops, are translated into Arabic and placed in Baghdad newspapers with the help of a defense contractor, according to U.S. military officials and documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

More here...

#41 Ed Mahmoud

Cut the horseshit, son. I've got their disciplinary files right here. Who dropped a whole truckload of fizzies into the swim meet? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.

=^0

Albright shares one thing with, yes, I don't like it either, George Patton. They share the quality which made Patton a great military leader but not a civilian leader. Patton thought de-nazification was going overboard in the case of low level officials so he kept many of them on because they knew how to do their jobs.

The same thing goes for Islam. We must confront the ideology head on and prepare for a long struggle.

Nobody should comment on Islam unless they've at least read the Koran. I haven't found anyone in the West who's read the Koran with an honest defense for what it contains. There's a standing offer at Jihad Watch for anyone to try. It's not a taunt. Without a peaceful interpretation which can be sold to Muslims, we have no peaceful options against true believers.

The only strategy which will work is getting to the very young children and preventing the mental disorder that is Islamic theology from taking root. Even Muslims for-identification-purposes-only may (and have many times) suddenly start taking the theology seriously and become a threat.

"including Egypt, where the banned Muslim Brotherhood has made stunning gains by winning 76 seats in ongoing parliamentary elections."

Not much hope of a peaceful resolution of this basic conflict in the long run, IMHO.

We should steel ourselves.

And I hope it is over before my kids are grown up.

OT:

No bias in the media you say? This is the Reuters headline re. GWB's speech this morning:

Bush flags war strategy
The president spoke at the US Naval Academy while killings continued today in Iraq.

It would be a mistake to exclude Islamist parties on the assumption they are inherently undemocratic or prone to violence

Apparently it's also a mistake to ban parties that have already proven themselves to be undemocratic and prone to violence.

#57 Chumpsky

Yep, it's the Crime of the Century. Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

What a dope.

And your terrorist symps at the LA Slimes.

Good article here on The Battle for France

Here's the Islamist agenda in plain language:

As Dyab Abou Jahjah, the young and charismatic Brussels-based leader of the European Arab League, has said, “We believe in a multicultural society as a social and political model where different cultures coexist with equal rights under the law. We do not want to assimilate and we do not want to be stuck somewhere in the middle. We want to foster our own identity and culture. Assimilation is cultural rape. It means renouncing your identity, becoming like the others.” For Jahjah, Europe does not belong to the Europeans, it belongs to the Arabs as well: “I don’t believe in a host country. We are at home here and whatever we consider our culture to be also belongs to our chosen country.”

the copts should start rioting like the moooslims in Paris over poor living conditions and lack of jobs, ya know, stuff the MSM buys into... oh wait, copts are christians. They'd be vilified, nevermind.

No.59 Beagle:

The only strategy which will work is getting to the very young children and preventing the mental disorder that is Islamic theology from taking root

I am afraid that to defeat that poisonous system it will take such a catastrophic defeat that the young former islamic will say to his elders, "look what a tragedy you have brought upon us. I reject you."

And given the brutal nature of these people, the defeat we must hand them will have to be a big MF defeat indeed.

Malkin has update on GWBs speech...Apparently he slimed Al-NY Times for waging jihad against one of our fallen heros...GWB is starting to slam the bastards of the MSM, not a moment too soon..

CPL. JEFFREY STARR'S HONOR
By Michelle Malkin · November 30, 2005 10:56 AM
The president delivered a very necessary speech at the Naval Academy defending the war in Iraq. He also paid tribute to Cpl. Jeffrey Starr, whose memory was butchered by the New York Times, and read from his moving letter to his girlfriend.

You read about the NYTimes' disgrace here first.

Good for the White House for fighting back against MSM bias.

Question: How will the Times report on the president's remarks?

Watch closely.

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President Bush's Strategy for Victory in Iraq

Update 1115am: John Kerry responds by whining about the president making war-related speeches in front of troops and and with military backdrops. Where would he rather have Bush speak about the war--in front of a Wal-Mart? Next Kerry complains that "No one is talking about running"...and then cites poll results on Americans who want us to withdraw from Iraq.

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#64 Kenneth

Considering their recent successes there, it should be no surprise that the jihadis want a "Balkanization" of Fwance.

MAddie's comment is just another indication of how dead alseep the Liberal Left is...

Who the f**k is she kidding? The Islamists are trouble... Apparently the Left is just comfortable laying the groundwork for the eventual nuclear destruction of New York, Washington and Los Angeles.

If anyone want to catch President Bush's address to the U.S. Naval Academy
in Annapolis, it's here:

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

Egyptian elections: "Islam is the solution"

"I'm not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood but I'm voting for them," says Mr. Omar. "They have values, morality, and wisdom and they hold the word of God above all else." The incorporation of the Muslim Brotherhood into Egyptian politics is a step forward for US democratization efforts in Egypt, and may in fact be a direct response to US pressure.

From Cologne to the Conquest of Europe: How the Muslim Brotherhood is Challenging the Pope

Uncle Sam's Muslim Brotherhood

I couldn't stop laughing when I read Time's account of the Universal School in Bridgeview, Illinois. My fingers got swollen from typing the blog posts that foretold the changes I expect to occur in Egypt if the Muslim Brotherhood got powerful. Well, my torture is over now. If you want to know how a typical school will probably look like under a MB state, all what you need to do is visit Illinois! And in case you didn't know, Illinois is a state in the USA and not a rural village in southern Egypt.

How Egypt Molded Modern Radical Islam

It would be a mistake to exclude Islamist parties on the assumption they are inherently undemocratic or prone to violence

Why? Because you don't think that they're inherently undemocratic or prone to violence, or you don't care that they are?

#49 Fjordman

The State Department believes that Washington can contain the group and its ilk through dialogue. The memo, according to the Western diplomatic sources, maintains that it is about time that the administration looked differently at religious groups and avoided any further clash with them, because this would only fan hatred and incite more attacks against US interests.

I would hate to anger the people who already want us converted or beheaded. I wonder what Sun Tzu would think about the "don't anger your enemy" strategy?

It's time to get rid of the State Department, excluding the Secretary (for meet-'n-greets overseas) and necessary embassy personnel.

Excellent LGF post. One can react on many levels -- especially the historical and global political.

It is on this exact sort of ideological question that American and Western foreign policy hangs in the balance. Do we listen to some of the Realists, such as Albright, Kissenger and Scowcroft, and begin to accept what they consider inevitable: that Islamic countries under "occupation" are going to press towards Islamism until finally a miraculous reformation occurs from within (and so it is best to end the "occupation" and the effort at bring democracy)? Or do we continue with the Bush doctrine of using and maintaining America's military power / dominance over the Islamists until they learn they'll never win -- meanwhile we introduce the people to the notions of the rule of law, freedom and participatory gov't?

The answer is clear, most strongly on moral grounds. As Krauthammer points out, we have slowly come to understand as the evidence piles up that Realism amounts to moral relativism.

Another excellent Krauthammer piece critiquing in strongest terms: democratic realism.

#67 ted

Update 1115am: John Kerry responds by whining about the president making war-related speeches in front of troops and and with military backdrops.

Ruch just played that Kerry blather. What a condescending, pretentious buffoon!

Sec Albright on N Korea (10/24/2000)

We have seen Pyongyang, and I must say even though I had seen some photographs that I found that it is an impressive city. Quite beautiful, I think, with its landscaping and heroic monuments, and I was obviously interested in seeing that. I found the performance last night -- first of all I wasn't born yesterday, and I have been a student of communist affairs all my life, and so one knows perfectly well how these performances are put together. I must say that I thought it was, of that kind of a performance, it was quite spectacular and amazing. And I just can assure you that these glasses that I have on are not rose-colored.

THIS is the woman who told Mort Kondracke (IIRC) in the Green Room at Fox that Bush probably had Osama hidden somewhere...

Mother Sheehan report:

It seems St Cindy will be appearing at Colliseum Books in NYC ( north side of 42 St between 5th and 6th Ave's ) at 6:30 tonight to sign copies of the ghostwritten pamphlet she is hawking

This also co-incides with a NASCAR event we had here this morning - so any LGF'ers in the area should stop by to see Cindy laugh it up

#73 Beagle

I wonder what Sun Tzu would think about the "don't anger your enemy" strategy?

The panicked actions of a weak opponent?

#59 Beagle

Nobody should comment on Islam unless they've at least read the Koran. I haven't found anyone in the West who's read the Koran with an honest defense for what it contains. There's a standing offer at Jihad Watch for anyone to try. It's not a taunt. Without a peaceful interpretation which can be sold to Muslims, we have no peaceful options against true believers.

Irshad Manji is attempting this challenge. She begins by arguing for the end of the "literalist" approach to the Koran. In other words, she believes whole sections of the Koran must be set aside as historical text and not as the final & absolute word of Allah. For this reason she has received numerous death threats, her home has a 24 hour guard & she travels with body guards. Amazingly, she is getting a Muslim audience and is contributing to a real, but so far tiny, reformation of Islam.

Baldy,

and I have been a student of communist affairs all my life

I bet she has. No wonder she thought the hellhole of Pyongyang was so wonderful.

Sounds like the typical commie-symps who gush about Havana.

Albright "Joke" (12/17/03)

"Do you suppose," she asked, "that the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?" Mrs. Albright said last night she was kidding. "She was not smiling when she said this," Mr. Kondracke said.

Mort is not a "hard-core" conservative, by any means. I trust him completely.

80 JammieWearingFool - I know. Good soundbite.

#67 ted

You may have missed yesterday's link to Front Page's interview with Col. Bud Day--most decorated military guy every, who saved John McCain's life in POW camp in Hanoi AND leads the charge to sue John Kerry and his lackeys for trying to suppress the broadcast of "Stolen Honor" (a documentary) last year.

Give $$$ to his Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation to give Kerryites the finger.

Murtha the traitor will be on CNN tonight at 10pm EST

#76 Baldy

It never fails to amaze me that we have Americans who salivate all over communism and dictators of all ilk.

It is so despicable.

I'm working on Glenn Beck's "The Real America" right now. If not for that, I would take up the challenge.

Tropical Storm Ba'az forecast to hit India under hurricane force. (Of course, they just refer to their tropical cyclones as "tropical cyclones").

Landfall ~36 hours just North of Madras.

Meanwhile, Tropical Storm Epsilon is trying to strengthen just a bit more and become a hurricane, but is battling cool water and dry air.

Water is only about 24^o, normally too cool for a tropical cyclone to survive, let alone strengthen, but I have heard late season cyclones in the sub-tropics can handle cooler water, because the entire environment is cooler. But 26.5^o seems to be the minimum for activity in the Gulf of Mexico.

As hurricane season ends today, I think back to the Saturday a little over a week before Katrina hit, when I enjoyed absolutely perfect 33^o water (91^oF) at Galveston. The water actually felt hot. I knew that the Northern Gulf Coast was in for an active hurricane season.

But, with frost on the windshield this morning, 2005 has left my part of Texas lightly affected. The one traffic light that got turned sideways during Rita has finally been straightened, all the fences that blew down are fixed, and mis suegros cleaned up the beautiful 8 meter avocado tree that uprooted.

25 Days to the One Year Anniversary of the Biggest Snowstorm of All Time in Victoria, Texas!

#70 MJ,

Thanks for link to Pres. Speech. Anyone know whether John McCain ("Navy Royalty") came along to the institution he nearly bombed out of, to add "bi-partisan" "gravitas" "Stamp of temporary approval" or just moonbat appeal to the President's words?

76- Baldy- are you aware of reports that people in North Korea are executed for practicing Christianity?

Nine years ago in South Pyongan province, a unit of the North Korean army was assigned the job of widening a highway connecting Pyongyang to the nearest seaport. Demolition of a house standing in the way revealed, hidden between two bricks, a Bible and a list of 25 names: a Christian pastor, two assistant pastors, two elders and 20 parishioners. The 25 were all detained and, later that month, brought to the road construction site, where spectators had been arranged in neat rows. The parishioners were grouped off to one side while the pastor, the assistant pastors and the elders were bound hand and foot and made to lie down in front of a steamroller. As if following a script written in early Roman history, they were told they could escape death by denying their faith and pledging to serve Dear Leader Kim Jong II and Great Leader Kim Il Sung. They chose death.

Ms. Clyne quotes Mr. Hawk's report: "Some of the parishioners ... cried, screamed out, or fainted when the skulls made a popping sound as they were crushed beneath the steamroller."

Link

Heck, North Korea can do whatever it wants, as long as they put on nice shows for Ms. Albright.

#40 algerias
This is a little late but if you are using MS Exploder just hit the Ctrl + F and it will display a box that allows you to search.

#87 Ed Mahmoud

Glad your part of Texas is recovering. Sorry the avocado tree's dead. Your weather reports are the best.

#68 Spiny Norman

Considering their recent successes there, it should be no surprise that the jihadis want a "Balkanization" of Fwance.

Fjordman had an excellent piece on that very idea a few weeks ago (maybe he can provide the link, I couldn't find it again). The idea is that the Muslim immigrants establish local autonomy since the gov't & police have given up on these areas, Sharia is proclaimed in the "Muslim" communities, riots break-out between Muslim & "native French" communities, jihad is declared to "protect" the Muslim areas, and so on, and before the intellectuals at Le Monde have finished their morning cafe latte, civil war is raging.

History shows these things don't start at a clearly defined point, and by the time the elites figure out what's really gong on, it's too late.

#90 Ed:

Their dazzling shows are keeping her blinded.

Well, that and her partly-missing brain.

This appears to be a refinement of Sayyed Qutb's Milestones.

75 Norm...Kerry is such a worthless narcissistic jerk-off whore who seems to think he must offer a rebuttal to everything GWB says...He needs to seriously STFU

83 alegrias..i religiously read Frontpage everday as i think its an excellent e-zine,,that article was excellent..im gonna send a donation VVLF as you pointed out

Not to downplay the attempt to out that puke Kerry,but the focus must be on demolishing the carpetbagger skank Shrillary in '08

81 Baldy - Imeant by "hard-core" that Mort isn't a partisan Republican.

#95 gb My creep-o-meter just broke after examining those links. I guess Madeline Albright doesn't read this stuff.

#89 Ed mahmoud

Crushing Christian skulls in Pyong Yang--tisk tisk--Kim Il Jong doesn't have better things to do--like plant rice maybe?

We've noticed islamofascists and stalinist communist fascists are equally into hegemony and death to the infidel.

America & the civilized world should be on notice, except for the work of the big fascist fan club to which Madelyn Albright belongs.

Kenneth

I'm familiar with the ijtihad* approach to Islam and Irshad Manji. She's a brave lone voice in the wilderness. Fact is, she's working from a philosophical base with very little useful material. Only by rejecting an enormous amount of the source material completely can Islam approach an Enlightenment. Christianity didn't have so many built-in barriers to modernity. It still took about a thousand years to get out of the Dark Ages. Then the Christian sects fought bloody wars.

Eventually, the smarter people moved to America and wrote religious sectarianism out of government and politics.

Give a million Manjis two thousand years and we may see real progress.

*Unfortunately, you can't spell it without jihad.

89 Ed Mahmoud - Yes, though the news is not discussed enough. My mother was telling me about her thoughts on the people eating grass there (which I knew). It's a hellhole, but with dazzling dance troupes.

IF ANY OF THIS IS TRUE IT WILL BE QUITE THE BOMBSHELL ON THE BUSHLIEDPEOPLEDIED BRIGADES

#85 rightymouse

To be fair, Albright spoke about the horrors and totalitarian nature of North Korea. The problem comes from the very practice of diplomacy. Even if you start out fully aware of the evil nature of the regime you are negotiating with, eventually you become psychologicaly committed to achieveing success by negotiation & diplomacy. The goal of actual nuclear disarmamment of NoKO was replaced by the goal of "getting an agreement" about nuclear disarmament. These are 2 very different things. In the end, a diplomat, trained in the practice of diplomacy, and believing deeply in the importance of diplomacy, will always be able to pull the wool over his/her own eyes.

And so it goes: Munich, North Korea, Iran...

25 Days to the One Year Anniversary of the Biggest Snowstorm of All Time in Victoria, Texas!

And only 35 days until a vicious beatdown of the Longhorns in the Rose Bowl.

:D

77 "Mother Sheehan report:

"It seems St Cindy will be appearing at Colliseum Books in NYC ( north side of 42 St between 5th and 6th Ave's ) at 6:30 tonight to sign copies of the ghostwritten pamphlet she is hawking"

I would go,but i dont want to be arrested and charged with 3rd degree assault and battery for "accidently" losing control of my motorized wheelchair and plowing her into a wall

Part of the appeal of such groups as the Muslim Brotherhood is *because* they have been banned and prevented from taking part in the process. I believe that if people actually get a taste of their brand of governing, they will turn against it. They key is to never allow a system such as Iran has. You can let them gain some power, but you must never eliminate the mechanism for the people being able to throw them out of power. I think the people of Iran would toss the religious conservatives out on their ear if they could but the mullahs control who can run for office and hold veto power over the elected legislature.

Sure, the MB might be real popular now, but if elected, I believe their popularity will drop and they will be voted right back out, just as a communists were in western European countries where they were allowed to gain power but weren't allowed to tamper with the sytem to gain a stranglehold on that power.

Southern Iraq is probably a more recent example. Many people voted for the religious parties and I have been reading that many feel they made a mistake and are considering voting for more secular candidates next time.

But keeping the MB cut out of the system might just create more sympathy for them than they would have if they actually participated.

Not to downplay the attempt to out that puke Kerry,but the focus must be on demolishing the carpetbagger skank Shrillary in '08

The problem is, who is going to be brave enough to go after her? If Bill Frist calls her a lying sack of shit he's going to look like a fool. If Condi Rice says she's a self absorbed incompetent, Condi will look like a bitch. And NO ONE would ever believe a sex scandal involving her--remember the attempt with Vince Foster? The only thing that will work to thwart Bilious Hillary is if Cindy She-ham becomes Hillary's campagin manager. Or if plug-ugly Chelsea shows up at public appearances.

102 TMF - Stephen Hayes has been writing about it at the Weekly Standard. He is very persuasive.

#103 Kenneth

Too many diplomats and politicians are worried about keeping their jobs, so they become mealy-mouthed. Reagan at least had the balls to call a spade a spade.

TMF,

Such news will be greeted with a stifled yawn by the MSM. Doesn't fit with the template and will therefore not be reported.

If it is reported, it will be dismissed as "spin" by the Bush administration because of their low poll numbers, which now stand at 46% and are thusly not being reported.

Remember just a couple weeks ago we heard ad nauseum about how low the numbers were? Obviously they're getting better since we don't hear about it anymore.

Same with how the robust economic news gets downplayed or dismissed.

From the article:

“The best way to marginalise violent extremists is to make room for as broad a range of non-violent perspectives as possible.”

let me fix that up for you Miss Allbright..

"The best way to marginalise violent extremists is to make room for as broad a range of non-violent perspectives as possible. kill them before they kill innocent people, so that freedom can reign free."

#107 coulterclone

I'll take one for the team... i'll get her drunk and seduce her.

*shudder*

107 i agree, but i feel that a campaign from extraordinary citizens like the Swift Boat Vets could take her down a la Kerry.. Hillary has lots more skeletons in her closet than even the douchbag Kerry

As for Chelsea the only way anyone would marry her is for the Clintonistas cash

103 Kenneth - You are right. NOW that she's no longer a diplomat, the "real" Albright comes out: Hooray for the Muslim Bros!

I couldn't stop laughing when I read Time's account of the Universal School in Bridgeview, Illinois. My fingers got swollen from typing the blog posts that foretold the changes I expect to occur in Egypt if the Muslim Brotherhood got powerful. Well, my torture is over now. If you want to know how a typical school will probably look like under a MB state, all what you need to do is visit Illinois! And in case you didn't know, Illinois is a state in the USA and not a rural village in southern Egypt.

Egyptian blogger "Big Pharaoh" had a great post about the Universal School. He claimed you'd be hard pressed to find such a radical institution in Egypt.

Yet this one is in the American hertland and is considered "moderate" by our media mandarins.

Go figure.

#101 Baldy

Babies born to NK women who have Chinese fathers are killed at birth.

The atrocities being committed in NK towards the population are beyond appalling, they aren't human.

The problem is, who is going to be brave enough to go after her?

I think the RNC could do a fair job just by creating a series of ads where one clip shows her on one side of an issue and the next clip shows her on the other side.

The theme might be something along the lines of "Do you know where she stands on issues? Does SHE?"

She is playing the same game Bill played so well. Tell the public exactly what the polls say will give you a boost this week. If the situation changes, you change your spots to match the background. It is easy to figure out her position ... just read the papers. Whatever position is getting the favorable press is where she will be.

She was all for Iraq, then she was against it, now she is kindof for/against. Send em over, bring em home, well, wait, it was a mistake to send em and we should bring em home but just not right this minute ... or something.

#112 LanceKates

The mother, the daughter, or ...?

/I gotta go

#112 LanceKates
As you are the Man, I take it that your powers will protect you.

Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright sez:

"It would be a mistake to exclude Islamist parties on the assumption they are inherently undemocratic or prone to violence"

So much ignorance, in so few words.

Today's Democrats are the

#64 kenneth:

You could likely substitute any country for "France" in that article and it would hold true.

This continues to bring up the question: "If it was so dang great where you came from, why are you here?". I guess stealing infrastructure (no matter how old and decrepit) is easier than building it in the first place. Regardless, if the west doesn't wake up (and tell the old guard wastoids like Albright and Carter to shut up, sit down and go away) we won't need to worry about it anymore.

#115 Dirk

Yet this one is in the American hertland and is considered "moderate" by our media mandarins

you have to look at the scale:

Balanced: Make dick and fart jokes about Bush being drunk or doing drugs or being stupid.

Moderate: teach that America is evil and secretly wait for her downfall.

Misunderstood: Behead people

Extremist: believe in things like a secure border, a secure 2nd Amendment, Nationalization of the English Language, and the protection of the Family Unit.

#100 Beagle

Give a million Manjis two thousand years and we may see real progress.

I'm somewhat more optimistic: there could be real progress in reforming Islam in 2 or 3 generations. There are others like Manji out there. And with the internet, television, cell phones, globalization, etc., the spread of new ideas can move faster than in previous centuries. It's been said the printing press was essential for Luther to spread his ideas. Not that I'm drawing parallels between Luther & Manji, just making a point about the effect of technology on culture & ideas. Some observers have said the Islamist agenda today is, first & foremost, a backlash against modernity within the Muslim world, and the clash with the West is a side-effect of that struggle.

On the secular front, there's some guy trying to plant democracy (I know, it's a crazy idea) in the Arab world. All these trends could come together to bring about a modern reformation to the culture & theology of Islam.

You know Billy and Hillary are not ugly people

Any theories on how Chelsea turned out to be so horrow show?

She Sort of defies the laws of Mendelian Genetics...

#107 coulterclone

The problem is, who is going to be brave enough to go after her?

The RNC. Give generously, and e-mail them your best ideas for commercials. When it comes to elections I'm as partisan a hack as you'll find. That's what parties do, try to win elections. Governing is completely different, for some people.

#118 Scotch

they ARE from Arkansas... so it'd be both.

(heh... sory Arkansas people, I couldn't resist.)

#119 BGB

hmm... good point... since i am The MAN and also a male, I wonder if it is possible to seduce a female clinton... even when they're drunk.

(low blow, I know...)

#112 LanceKates

Maybe you should get drunk before you try to seduce her!

One thing about Hillary: She has to work on seeming likeable. Bill at charisma & charm, she has charisma, but I'm not sure about the charm. She freaked me out even when I was voting for her husband, who I knew was a cad, but I only cared about gay rights at the time. He disapointed me by doing the gays in the military thing a few months into his term - I was mad because he obviously didn't know that we are a minority, and it wouldn't fly. It was one disapointment after another (soft response to terror, Monica). Hillary is no Bill.

#128 Kenneth

Heh. maybe. Makes me wonder if I am, since I suggested it.

I don't remember drinking alcohol... maybe this Diet Mt. Dew has something in it...

Well, I don't know about vicious beat downs. Granted, USC probably has the most potent offense in college football, but despite the lackluster effort against the farming, marching and horse poop throwing college up Highway 6, I believe SC hasn't seen a defense as good as the Horns. Can they shut down Bush and Leinart, well, no, but they can slow it down enough that the potent Texas offense (Young, Charles, the other Young, Sweed, Taylor, Melton, Thomas) which will be the toughest SC's defense has seen, can keep Texas in the game, well, I think so, and in a high scoring (combined points in the 70s or 80s) this game will be viewed as the best college football game ever played.

crosspatch

You can let them gain some power, but you must never eliminate the mechanism for the people being able to throw them out of power.

Right, but our confidence has to be more than theoretical. Give them an inch? Maybe they'll take it, ruin it, and discredit themselves.

But maybe they'll turn the inch into a mile. These aren't pussycats. Like Lenin and his vanguard elite, once they're let in, they'll stage a coup.

Maybe, too, if they remain on the outside, and progress occurs, succeeding generations won't give them a second thought.

Speaking of North Korea, I hate sounding like a nut who sees the plots, but given that Lucas admits some of the new Star Wars movies are supposed to be a jab at Bush, I was very, very uncomfortable with a good guy who had the name Qui-Gon Jinn. Reminded me too heavily of Kim Jong-IL.

I mean, we all know who bad guy Nute Gunray was.

#131 Ed

and I will be watching the bowl game, with a pack of beef jerky, and some Mike's Hard Lemonade.

Rooting for the 'Horns. (Just don't tell anyone I work with...)

#124 ted
The last few pictures I have seen of Chelsea she has been transformed into an attractive young lady. Whether that is the result of her parents connections which allowed her to land a job straight out of college for which she had no experience earning 3 times what I make and thereby reducing the stress in her life or it is the result of Hillary's healthcare plan one can only guess.

#127 LanceKates
you can seduce her with your power to win elections ;)

#131 Ed,

I hope you are correct.

#133 Sil

well, then just take hope in the fact that he died.

#123 Kenneth

I'm somewhat more optimistic

You caught me on a Wednesday. I'm not carved in stone on this issue. I really want to be optimistic. It blows up in my face over and over.

#112 Lance

I almost lost my lunch at the mental image that comment brought. It's like that old Max Klinger line from MASH, if my dog had her face, I'd shave his butt and train him to walk backwards.

Please, not even in jest...ugh.

#136 BGB

I don't win elections... i'm The MAN... I FIX elections.

hey... that'll be the common ground between her and I...

*starts scheming*

by the time I'm done... she'll be a female Bigel...

Ed of Many Names-

You nailed it. Texas will give USC a run for its money. Both teams have stumbled (USC against Fresno St. and UT against A&M), but BOTH will be up for the Bowl. It could prove to be one of the best of all time.

That is assuming that Texas takes care of CO. (I'm a little concerned about that).

and USC takes care of UCLA.

/huge Horns fan

Please note: the Universal School in Bridgeview, Illinois, was covered at LGF in June of this year, along with links to other LGF posts on the Islamist presence in Bridgeview: lgf: TIME Magazine's Model Islamic School.

As Westerners bow down before multiculturalism, we anesthetize ourselves into believing that anything goes. We see our readiness to accommodate as a strength - even a form of cultural superiority (though few will admit that). Radical Muslims, on the other hand, see our inclusive instincts as a form of corruption that makes us soft and rudderless. They believe the weak deserve to be vanquished.

Irshad Manji in Why Tolerate the Hate?

#140 3Wood

you don't like it?... I'm the one who'd have to do it!

there are some situations that makes me glad to be chaste.

ok...

Beef Jerky: eaten.

Dt. Mountain dew: Half empty (or half full?)

Time to go back to work.

Last Day of the Month... = Hectic

Lance

Have a date tonight? 1st comes love, then comes marriage, then...Here is your ideal girl

[Link: boortz.com...]

#112 Lance

I wouldn't f*ck her with Saddam Hussein's d*ck.

143 Charles - I thought the name "Bridgeview" was familiar. Someone back then said they lived near it, IIRC.

#139 Beagle

I said, "somewhat" optimistic, but not very. These things take time & are by no means certain. In fact, the only thing that is certain, wherever the "debate" goes, there will be much, much, more killing.

#147 Scotch

is it just me, or does the baby in black look like Kim jong-Il from NK? Just needs glasses

#96 I agree. It's not worth the effort paying any attention to Kerry other than for the purposes of comic relief and to remind ourselves how thankful we should be that W was re-elected. And while we keep our eyes on Hillary I think she might have some problems with the far Left of her party. Let's just keep a good record of what she says in case she gets the nomination and enjoy the show while the Dems devour each other in 2008. Of course they'll probably be enjoying the show when the Repubs do the same.

#148 Ward Cleaver

if I had his "captain winky" the last thing on my mind would be sex.

My thoughts would be: "How in the hell did I get Saddam Hussein's Wee-Wee?"

#151 LanceKates

Hey, I thought so too!

Lance,

Hadn't noticed that before. You're right.

Fjordman had an excellent piece on that very idea a few weeks ago (maybe he can provide the link, I couldn't find it again). The idea is that the Muslim immigrants establish local autonomy since the gov't & police have given up on these areas, Sharia is proclaimed in the "Muslim" communities, riots break-out between Muslim & "native French" communities, jihad is declared to "protect" the Muslim areas, and so on, and before the intellectuals at Le Monde have finished their morning cafe latte, civil war is raging.

You're probably thinking of this one:

The Second Fall of Rome

I foresee several possible scenarios:

1. Eurabia.

The EU continues its transformation into a continent-wide organization with clear totalitarian leanings, and a very pro-Islamic stance. Europe's fate is sealed when Turkey is allowed into the Union, and becomes its largest member. Freedom of speech will be shut down, and any criticism of Islam banned. Eurabia will become a global center for Jihad activities, as the dhimmi taxpayers and infidel Western technology give a boost to the Ummah. For this reason, the Americans, the Israelis, the Indians, the Russians and maybe even the Chinese will have to crush Eurabia by brute force, as it will represent a grave security threat to them.

2. War.

Personally, I think this alternative is at least as likely as the above "Eurabia" scenario. It also contains several sub-scenarios, partly depending upon when the eventual war starts, and partly on whether there is still some Western pride and resistance left in Europe underneath the self-loathing and Multiculturalism:

The Pakistanization of Europe.

Muslims aren't numerous enough to control the entire continent. In the event of war, there will be mutual ethnic cleansing and Muslims will seize parts of Western Europe. For instance, a belt stretching from parts of Germany via Belgium and Holland to France, but maybe even regions within certain nation states. All of Europe will not be lost, but some parts will, and many others will de deeply damaged by the fighting. Many of our cultural treasures will burn.

Reconquista - The Second Expulsion of the Moors

Muslims strike too early, before they are ready to seize control over major chunks of Europe. It is possible to view the Jihad riots in France in this light. They overestimate their own power, and underestimate the strength that, despite everything, is still left in Europe. It will start, as these things always do, before anyone is ready. Everyone, the Islamists, the proto-dhimmis, the neo-nationalists, the sleepwalking middle class, thinks they have more time than they do. It may start more or less by accident, like WWI, through the act of a fringe player unaware of the forces involved or the stakes of the game.

Global Civil War

Europe has been the primary staging ground for one cold and two hot world wars. It could become a major battlefield in an Islamic world war, too. Or perhaps we could call it the Multicultural world war, just as WW2 was a Fascist war and the Cold War was a Communist war. A world war is already simmering, with Muslims clashes against Russia, Europe, Israel, China, India, the USA and Southeast Asia. Once the fighting starts in Europe, it could spread outside the continent and ignite a world war. This is the scenario of "global civil war". It would become the worst and most destructive war in human history, involving nuclear weapons on both sides. It could completely destroy the Middle East and North Africa, deeply damage Europe, the Indian continent, and parts of Southeast Asia, and inflict serious casualties on the USA, Australia and Africa. Its secondary and economic ripples will be felt on all corners of the planet, including the ones least involved in the actual fighting, such as Latin America and East Asia.

#151 Lance

Who stole Dear Leader's glasses?

#145 Lance

There's skank, then there's coyote ugly, and finally there's Chelsea. You have a much stronger stomach than I do.

#158 Ward Cleaver

*hides Kim's 'retro style' glasses behind back*

... don't know what you're talking about...

*points in the sky*

what is that?!

*throws glasses in garbage*

#153 Lance

It's an old high school expression. Only back then it was Mao-Tse Tung.

#159 3wood

nah.. I just REALLY want my college loans paid off...

and they ARE rich..

(Hey... it worked for John Kerry, and he's an idiot.)

#159 3 wood

Two-bag coyote?

/one bag over her face, one bag over your face, and in the morning you get the howl out of there

#150 Kenneth

You're not optimistic at all. Probably right, but not optimistic. The only thing to do, with a chance of success, is make sure we kill jihadis as fast or faster than the mosques and madrassas can crank them out and hope for the best.

Grrr! hanoi john is nothing but a traitorous SOB and POS, disgusting human, liar, sissy, etc!

3 wood

There's skank, then there's coyote ugly, and finally there's Chelsea. You have a much stronger stomach than I do.

I read that while on the phone with a client. I thought I was laughing on the inside, but he asked me what was so funny. Ooops.

Did I mention that this man lost the function of one of his um, "boys"?

O/T Good news in Iraq, looks like an Iraqi brigade (looks kinda light, only two battalions) is ready to operate on its own in Babil province. More of our guys freed up to chase Zarqawi!

“It would be a mistake to exclude Islamist parties on the assumption they are inherently undemocratic or prone to violence,”

What if it's not an assumpion, Maddie? What if it's based on facts? Then can we exclude them?

Nam!

There is a special place in hell reserved for her...

OT

Remember those "Christian Aid Workers" "Kidnapped" yesterday? Here's an interesting bit of information from an AP story now on the web:

"The Association of Muslim Scholars said the release of the Christian aid workers would recognize their "good efforts in helping those in need.

"In Ramallah, in the West Bank, Mufti Ikrema Sabri, the Palestinians' top Muslim clergyman, also called for their release.

"These aid workers have stood beside (the) Palestinian people and it's our duty now to stand beside them," he said.

Palestinians in several towns said they had worked with the activists and asked Sabri to issue the appeal."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Now, don't it just figure...

#168 W-Lover

she's a Leftie.

the only facts, in their world, that exist are the opinions that Conservatives are evil and greedy.

everything else is just 'Vast Right-Wing Spin'

#163 Ward

Jim McMahon, often injured mediocre quarterback for the Bears and others in the 80's, once said "You can drink them pretty but you can't drink them thin." I don't think there's enough booze in the world to work in this case, though.

in addition to my #171

an example:

We're not at war with the terrorists because they're evil...

We Conservatives are calling them evil because we're trying to gain popularity for the war...

#156 Fjordman

That's the one. Thanks, buddy. Excellent, if somewhat frightening, piece.

One can see several examples of these scenarios happening already. I don't see them as alternative scenarios, but as sequential phases:

Phase 1: Eurabia/Dhimmitude
Phase 2: Pakistanization/Balkinization
Phase 3: Civil war or Reconquesta vs jihad
Phase 4: Global war

As with all social-historical movements, the overlap between phases is blurred. Europe is already deep into Phase 1. Parts of various cities & suburbs have entered Phase 2. Were the riots in France (& elswhere) Phase 3? Was 9-11 & the GWOT the beginning of Phase 4?

Lots to think about...

I would give my left...well I wouldn't go that far, but I would like to be locked in a 6X6 room with hanoi john the traitor for 10 minutes, I promise I would be the only one that walked out! *spit*.

#166 loppyd

Glad I could add some grins to your day. :D

#170 MJ

[Link: frontpagemag.com...] has the goods on the so-called "peacemakers"

They couldn't be talking about Hillary!

Albright reminds me of some of the characters in "Atlas Shrugged"...down to the obvious disconnect between her intellect and her name.

Why does anyone listen to this person?

#178 W-lover

LOL!

Chelsea Clinton's not that bad.

With straight hair she actually borders on attractive. Unfortunately she inheirited her dad's fat facial features, and her curly hair only accentuates them.

She's no Barbara Bush, but I wouldn't kick her out of bed.

#177

Thanks Kenneth!

With straight hair she actually borders on attractive.

OMG! She looks like a blonde Monica!

No. 174 Kenneth:

Let us add:

Phase 5: Victory
Phase 6: islam joins the aztecs.

Phase 7: everybody agrees in retrospect that the war was a just war, and we had to fight it.

181 Dirk- she is young, that is as good as she is ever going to look.

At least she is no Amy Carter.

#172 3 wood

Damn.

Speaking of Jim McMahon, I saw him on the sidelines of an NFL game recently. His son is a QB in the NFL, isn't he?

We should tell the muslim world, no more building of mosques untill 3 more Churches and Synogogues get built in the muslim world. that is 6 to 1 ratio.

#185 Ed...

Damn you Ed. It's gonna take a lot to scrub her image out of my mind.

/skin crawls

Joke:

During class, a teacher trying to teach good manners asks the students, one by one "Michael, if you were on a date, having dinner with a nice young lady, how would you tell her that you have to go to the rest room," she asked.

"Just a minute, I have to go pee", he said. The teacher replied, "That would be rude and impolite.

What about you John, how would you say it?"

"I am sorry, but I really need to go to the bathroom, I'll be right back." The teacher responded, "That's better, but it's still not very mannerly to say the word 'bathroom' at the table."

"And you Peter, are you able to use your intelligence for once and show us your good manners?"

"I would say: 'Darling, may I please be excused for a moment, I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope you'll get to meet after dinner.'"

The teacher fainted.

#185 ed

But at least her kid's wearing a Ramones shirt.

Re: Chelsea-

My Ex used to say he'd wrap a flag around her head and do her for Old Glory.

Just saw Kerry's "response" to Bush's plan for victory in Iraq.

Just like Kerry, it was alot of pompous gas, signifying nothing.

AM I correct that the ONLY thing the Dems are calling for now in Iraq any different from what Bush is saying is a "timetable" for withdrawal?

Thats the centerpiece of their Iraq strategy?

Wow. Thats deep. That'll win the war.

OT: Serious Question..Which Repub can beat Hillary in 'O8 ?

I just dont know if McCain is conservative enuf for me

Im nervous...should i be?

#187 Pamela,

I have nothing against freedom of religion, or religion at all I go to church myself occasionally, believe it or not, but what we need to give the murdering muslims is bullets and bombs right now, that will get their attention more. Plenty of time for religious freedom after the dust settles, we are at war!

ted-

Don't worry- McCain wont get the nomination.

Ed 131,

Just engaging in some fun smacktalk.

If they can approach the USC-ND game for excitement, then they'll have something.

It's a given USC will be putting up 35 on Texas. But can Texas match that against a young but developing SC defense given a month to prepare, with a defensive-minded coach in Pete Carroll? The Trojans will be back to pretty good health by that time. Consider also they're pretty much playing a home game.

Of course, all such conjecture goes flying out the window by Saturday night if one of them loses. SC has a greater chance losing this week than Texas does, but I'd be shocked is SC doesn't put up 50 on UCLA.

I'm normally an Irish fan anyway, but have a personal rooting interest in the Trojans, for the next few years anyway.

And no, I won't be divulging any pregame info. Misinformation, if anything.

:D

#193 ted

A very good question. It's why I recommend cooling the insults against Condi. She & McCain may not be perfect, but they're a damn sight better than Hillary or Kerry. Any other possible candidates?

185 OMG Ed! Why'd you do that !

#193 ted,

I like Sen. Allen.

I went somewhere, but I know not where. I lost track of about 30 mins.

#201 taxfreekiller,

I despise that traitor!

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

Sen Joe Lieberman [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Uh-oh.

TSA to allow scissors, tools on planes

#193 ted

Zell Miller
(Ok, not a Republican, but definately a Conservative)

actually.. i've been thinking the same thing. the 2006 election for Hillary will be rather telling. She won't lose the election. if it looks like she won't get reelected, she'll pull out of the race to 'focus on her Presidential Run'... if that happens, then i'll have more confidence in her ability to be beaten.

Ted

Sadly, the GOP bench is looking weaker every day.

McCain is likely the front-runner, and he certainly (justifiably, in light of his ridiculous campaign finance crusade and his jumping on the Abu Ghraib bandwagon) does NOT have the backing of the base.

Which leaves the GOP with some pretty sorry candidates, including Frist, who is a "pussywimp" (Back to SChool reference)and has baggage (securities scandal).

I dont think Guiliani is going to run and in any event his social policies are out of step with the convervatives,

Allen? Not bad but not strong enough to beat Shrillary. Who else? Santorum? Please. Cant think of anyone else..

So basically the GOP has NO ONE.

I predict a Hillary/Obama victory in '08 unless the GOP can come up with a decent alternative.

Hillary: We Should Wait Until We';re Nuked, Before We Go To War (Transcript 11/29/05)

That means rejecting the Administration's doctrine of preemptive war and their preference to going it alone rather than building real international support.

She is such an idiot. Nothing new, it's what the Dems have been saying for years.

#203 kenneth

That's a great Democrat right there. He & Zell Miller, woo hoo, I'd vote them President in a New York Minute. Watch heads explode the world over.

In 1997 Joe Lieberman and John McCain both spoke at some Nixon Center event. McCain's mother thought Mr. Lieberman gave a better speech than her son, and she was right. One has gravitas, the other wants to be Hollywood's main man.

#194 'Nam Grunt

True, however the ceasing of new mosques will help reduce the numbers of jihadis these mosques produce.

George Allen.

#204 w-lover

But we get to carry them too.

14 Arrested in Terror Raid

BRUSSELS, Belgium — Authorities raided homes on Wednesday and detained 14 people suspected of links to a Belgian female suicide bomber who struck in Iraq three weeks ago.

In France, police arrested a suspected Islamic radical in the Paris region in connection with the sweep, a judicial official said.

In 1992, Clinton got only 43% of the vote, IIRC.

Now we know why the Arabs run "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" on their television networks.

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#206 TMF

There is another...

Jeb Bush, just waiting in the wings.

#206 TMF

Another presidential candidate to consider seriously:

Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is sunny like Ronald Reagan, has a sense of humor, knows all the Democrat soft spots, is a no-nonsense, defense-minded, pro-American guy. He slapped around the corrupt Olympic Committee like a new sheriff in town & pulled off the great Winter Olympics right after September 11th. He's a can do guy.

Don't be a defeatist. Our bench is better than their bench.

#194 Nam Grunt

I can't go along with the idea that Islam is a violent religion by nature. It has had it's moments, as has Christianity such as in South America. The Turks did pretty much the same thing with the Mongols (convert or die).

The Pope did a lot of damage with the crusades too. But after those were over, Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together for many years peacefully. There were Jews in Lebanon, high ranking ones on the Lebonese Army and police, until the late 1950's.

What started all this crap was the UN after WWII deciding to redraw the map in the region without much regard for the people living there, much like what also happend at the end of WWI when states like Iraq were created out of what used to be the Ottoman Empire.

Now imagine if the UN comes down and says "We have decided that a band of native americans deserves to have New Jersey and so we are carving out a bit of your country to give to them ... here are the terms we have decided that you will accept". Don't you think some people who have lived in New Jersey for generations will be pissed off? Now lets imagine that everyone in New Jersey was 99% one religion and all the newcomers were a different religion. (note, the only real difference between Judism and Islam is that they are the same religion ... the God of Abraham ... spread by two different sons of Abraham in two different regions that had little cultural contact with each other for several generations. Same religion filtered through two different cultures.) Now suddenly in becomes a religious war when it was really a war about land.

People were pretty pissed off that some idiots in a UN building someplace decided to give THEIR land away to hordes of people coming in from Europe. I would be pretty damned pissed off too.

But the problem was Arafat. He decided to start this killing of civillians stuff. This attracting attention by slaughtering innocent people. And, it appeared to be successful, so it was copied by just about any other extreme movement.

I think the Palestinians have a legitimate bitch. I know I would feel that way if I lived there.

Now as far as the murdering Salafis go, that is a completely different story. They think they have the "one and true pure Islam" and that killing anyone that doesn't recognize this is justified. In their minds they aren't so much killing people as they are dispatching them to God for judgement. THOSE are the people we need to kill, quickly, and in as great a number as possible before they kill us because that is their mission. They don't care if it takes 1000 years or 1000 generations, they won't rest until the whole world is Muslim (their BRAND of Muslim) or dead. So yeah, we need to kill them before they kill us, which they have vowed to do and have said is justified.

The Palestinians are just another group that got f*cked by the UN and then fell under the control of murdering thugs.

The riots in Europe are more along the lines of riots you see throughout history when you have a poor population that isn't integrating well into the mainstream. They become isolated, economically marginalized, and finally, angry. The way to handle that problem is to eliminate the huge Muslim ghettos and integrate them into the society. Many more smaller housing projects scattered all over the place would be one place to start.

I don't agree that Muslims are murderers. I agree that there are many Muslim murderers, but then again, more Californians were murdered just last year than GIs have died in the entire Iraq war so far. We are a pretty murderous bunch too.

Putting too much focus on this "project" could backfire. It sounds like the document is probably real, but that doesn't mean it's a blueprint all muslims work from. That's conspiracy theory thinking. It sounds too much like protocols of zion. That analogy will be used against anyone pointing to this project.

There is enough proof of muslim aims in the koran (cough, spit), the writings of al quaeda, probably other writings of the muslim brotherhood, the proclamations of mad mullahs and imams, etc. To single out this document as The Big Plan is an extremely bad idea...

#218 crosspatch

I don't agree that Muslims are murderers. I agree that there are many Muslim murderers, but then again, more Californians were murdered just last year than GIs have died in the entire Iraq war so far. We are a pretty murderous bunch too.

a bit of... nuance.

In California, it is against the law to murder and/or rape.

these muslim countries, it is not illegal to rape if it is your daughter, and you can prove she deserved it.

the beheadings of americans were help up and celebrated in the mosques.

When we were attacked on 9/11, mosques across the world had celebrations with dancing and burning of American flags and such.

the difference is subtle, I know.

Epsilon developing an eye?

My opinion of MADeleine hALfbright went from optimistic that she would be decent to her rapid plummet into idiotic positions throughuot the Clinton years. And when I thought she could not utter any more ridiculous statement, she continued to outdo herself everytime she has spoken since the
Clinton years.

Total LLL insanity. Worse than President Carter's late 70s ingnorant belief that if we were just nice to the bad guys in the world, they would be nice back.

Stretch Pelosi responds to today's speech by cravenly supporting a cut and run strategery.

Considering Murtha was her willing stooge, this amounts to Pelosi supporting herself. Glad that's cleared up.

my #221

PIMF.

Held, not help.

Also, watch "Buried in the Sand" and tell me that we Americans are just like they are.

alegrias-

Don't be a defeatist. Our bench is better than their bench.

Thank you. No offense to anyone but I'm sick and tired of the defeated mind set. sHillary hasn't won a primary yet.

And I think we should continue to pressure Condi into running.

#218 crosspatch

What is it about "Conversion by the sword of Islam" you don't get? I'm not talking back in the 7th century, but today, realtime, jihadist beheading for Islam. Not the same as loving your neighbor for Jesus's sake. There is just no equivalence--one is a nihilist ideology from day one, Christianity is a religion.

#226 W-lover

Feminists and people like Jessie Jackson LOVED Bill Clinton...

but they HATE Condi Rice.

I guess it just goes to prove that she isn't a black woman like Bill Clinton was.

*grin*

We are a pretty murderous bunch too.

In the name of which religion?

218-

Cross Patch-

You seem pretty bright otherwise, but you are obviously not familiar with the Hadith or the Koran.

Yessirreebob, the Chrsitians went on crusades, and killed a lot of innocent people, but nowhere in the Christian scripture does Jesus instruct the disciples to spread the faith by force.

Just let saomebody with some spare time pull up the juicier quotes from Islamic scripture before you decide there is nothing inherently violent about Islam.

# 218 Crosspatch

(note, the only real difference between Judism and Islam is that they are the same religion ... the God of Abraham)

Well, right there in that one statement you proved yourself to be an idiot.

What a waste of space you took.

- jwehman

218 crosspatch

Glad you laid it all out there.

That post is going to take a beating in 3, 2, 1

Don't take it personally.

crosspatch

I think the Palestinians have a legitimate bitch. I know I would feel that way if I lived there.

See? It'a all about feelings. No mention of the slaughter of jews taking a meal in restaurants, driving their daughters or merely existing.

The Palestinians are just another group that got f*cked by the UN and then fell under the control of murdering thugs.

Murderous thugs go all the way back to the first days of a pedophile prophet, piss be upon him.

Hon, you have a LOT of homework to do after only 56 posts. I suggest you get to it and quickly.

Actually, the Native Americans can't screw up New Jersey any more than the Demonrats and occasional RINO like Whitman have.

It would be an improvement. Donald Trump may not like it, but its a small price to pay for how Mirabeau Lamar broke all the treaties Sam Houston had made with the Cherokee, costing Texans a chance to enjoy casino gaming without having to leave the country to gamble in Louisiana.

#218 crosspatch,

STFU, you apologist girlyman or manlygirl. POS!

#226 w-lover

Thanks; and I'm not being rah rah for Republicans but for ANY freedom loving optimists who love our country and are willing to sacrifice to secure it. That seems to rule out most Democrats on the horizon, except Lieberman, Miller, even Ken Salazar (who was supportive of President Bush's speech on Iraq today).

Why would serious Americans consider voting for self-hating folks doing islamists' bidding, letting the beheaders behead freely around the globe and making the beheaders' job easier?

Nam Grunt-

what if Cross Patch is just naive and ignorant, but not stupid?

I suppose the average American teenager in public high schools gets indoctrinated with that very crap C-P spewed, and insulting them won't make them receptive to be enlightened.

It would be an improvement. Donald Trump may not like it, but its a small price to pay for how Mirabeau Lamar broke all the treaties Sam Houston had made with the Cherokee, costing Texans a chance to enjoy casino gaming without having to leave the country to gamble in Louisiana.

LMAO. (Tired of the 3 hour drive).

#228 crosspatch : Don't take this personally, everyone is entitled to there opinions, but Rayra will be ripping you about a thousand fresh ones as soon as he reads that post of yours. My advice to you is to listen carefully and not to argue unless you want to have your head ripped off to!

#235 Ed

I'm part American Indian, and I am THANKFUL that the europeans came here and stole our land.

Look at all the advancements that came from the Americans over the couple centuries she's been around.

#238 Ed

Public School will screw a kid up when it comes to history type things.

Far too few teachers go against the Teacher Union's Party's line... and I think all of those teachers that do go against it are here at LGF.

*grin*

2.5 hours to go...

then the stress lets off for a couple weeks.

There is no such thing as a 'palestinian'. That term is an adjective for peoples who live around the Dead Sea area. The only nationalities there are: Israeli, Lebanese, (As)syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian. There is no 'occupation' other than in occupied-Lebanon. Israel is conducting a legitimate security operation over beligerent stateless persons, and should be paid by the U.N. for doing so. And the operation should be expanded into Lebanon and (As)syria.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Can't be bothered to write original post...

This is amazing...

We are helping free the iraqis by
Killing the ISLAMIC Terrorists

But the Democrats plan...?

Well we have to let the terrorists go
The will FEEL Disenfranchised...

Heres a CLUE for YOU DIMWITTS

They will FEEL all right and so will you
you will feel Disoriented as these Islamic WAKJobs saw off your neck with a rusty knife will chanting allahu akbar..

They will feel Delightfull as your blood spurts out of your neck as these Islamic Terrorists dance around your dying body ccovered in your blood...

And your answer is to let them go?

Gee no wonder we lost in Vietnam...
the Democrats answer to everything is
Let the Evil men go and run...

Well Mrs Dimwhitt..
For me and my family we will fight...
But if you want to let these islamic wakos into your house go ahead...

I dont want to see you on a zarchawi video anyway...

#235 Ed of a Thousand Names and Forecasts : Hey brother, I'm from New Jersey, born in Jersey City and bred here. It ain't a bad little state once you get use yo the graft, curruption, polution, traffic, vice, dumps,flies,etc. Besides, tons of good bars,taverns saloons and the like! Ever been drunk in New Jersey?

Milt Romney, on the surface, looks good. Don't know much about what's in his head.

From the Myths link above left:

MYTH

"Jews stole Arab land."

FACT

Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is that from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins.18

Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. (snip)

It was only after the Jews had bought all of the available uncultivated land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

This isn't like the UN taking New Jersey away and giving it to Indians. The more correct analogy would be Indians moving in and buying more and more homes, businesses, and farms.

I can't go along with the idea that Islam is a violent religion by nature.

Tell thaat to the lovely muslim woman I saw last week- the one with the black eye.

Crosspatch,

You made some sense on a post last night. But the idiocy emanating from 218 will earn you a well-deserved thrashing when some folks get through with it here today.

My advice to you is this: when not well versed on a subject, learn more before commenting.

My variation on "it's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Re:Crosspatch

Looked back at his/her previous posts, and though he/she did appear to very reassooonable in many posts, this last one does not appear to fit.
Wonder if some hijacked his/her nic. Or maybe a troll hiding in ambush mode.

Pasaiic at my brother's wedding reception.

She was a nasty person, he put her through medical school, they were married close to 15 years, when he finally left her for a woman that wasn't fat.

I'm of mixed emotions about that, because she was a shrew, but he left her (and except for every other weekend, his two daughters) because he met a good looking woman jogging.

Wasn't drunk, but I have been to Great Adventures Six Flags, 8th Grade trip, St. Martin of Tours Elementary School, Amityville, NY

#253 jammie

of my favorite variation:

"A closed mouth gathers no foot."

these muslim countries, it is not illegal to rape if it is your daughter, and you can prove she deserved it.

Let's see ... it used to be legal to beat your wife in Delaware with anything smaller than your thumb ... if she deserved it. If you beat her "unjustly" or with an illegal switch (larger than your thumb) they hauled you onto The Green to the whipping post and gave you lashes.

What is it about "Conversion by the sword of Islam" you don't get?

Oh, I get it. And the people doing it are, as I said, the people that need to be gotten rid of. They feel they are not only justified in killing non-Muslims, but are also justified in killing "incorrect" Muslims such as Shiites that commit such sins as having marked graves.

nowhere in the Christian scripture does Jesus instruct the disciples to spread the faith by force.

I am not so sure of that. I would be willing to bet that if I went back to the same texts that the King James version was translated from and used a little creative interpretation, I could come up with something. In some cases with the Koran, the Salafis take things out of context. Where instruction is being given for a particular situation or battle, they stretch that to mean in all cases. In other words, they generalize a specific when it suits their agenda to do so. The Democrats do that all the time too.

The problem comes in when people start taking things literally or out of context. Christian fundamentalists do that often too. Want to talk about FLDS blood atonement sometime? We have a lot of instances in our history where we converted people at the point of the sword. The Spaniards were pretty efficient at it.

Then there is another issue of cultural differences. We had an industrial revolution that most of the Arab interior lands didn't experiance. Even in the 1940's and 1950's a large percentage of the population in these areas were still nomads and herders living essentially the same life people did in those areas 1000 years ago with essentially the same laws and traditions and culture. Now suddenly we drop cities and TV and SUVs and computers and stuff on them. Sure, they can be educated about this stuff in a generation or less. It doesn't take any time to learn to drive a car ... but the CULTURE like ours took generations to build ... since about the late 1600's is when stuff really started changing.

These people's grandparents were herding goats and riding camel caravans across the desert. They probably still hear family stories about events that happened during this time from the people it happened to. It is going to take several generations for the cultural behaviors that evolved over centuries of surviving in a desert to adapt to the modern reality. Short of taking all newborn middle easterners and raising them in the west, we have no choice but to understand that some of what we consider barbaric is the cultural norm for them and it is going to take time for that to fade.

We keep trying to measure everyone else by OUR cultural yardstick and that is one of the things that makes us seem so arrogant to other people. Kind of like the French do with everyone. It sends a subtle message that we think they are inferior which makes them defensive and possibly combative at the very start, before we even have much of a chance to interact.

S&T,

I've been drunk in New Jersey.

Well, considering I live here, that would make sense.

O/T HELP!

Monitar question for any Computer geeks. Please help.

I turned on my computer and the color is screwed with vertical lines skipping around (seems to be lacking yellow).

At 256 colors, looks ok color but white verticle lines.
At 16 bit, blue tint to everything.
At 32 bit, pink tint to everything.

Windows 98, Gateway VX900 monitar.

Reloaded software for Excalibur 3d graphics card.
Reloaded software for 3DfxVooDoo2.

Ran spyboot(no problems found) and matiance.

I was thinking I would next go get another monitar and try it.

If that doesn't work, I next would reformat (hate doing that LOL).

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Appreciate any help.

218 crosspatch

Taking each in turn:

I can't go along with the idea that Islam is a violent religion by nature.

Don't worry, we'll help. Let's put aside the obvious, which is that no religion is "violent by nature." Adherents are violent, and they can become violent if they're instructed to be so. The Koran and hadith explicitly and repeatedly urge adherents to violence while making the claim that the urgings are divinely inspired -- and it is apostasy/death for Muslims to maintain otherwise. Read the Koran. There are useful websites by Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, and others. Read Islamic history: Islam came from violence, "flourished" only by force, and remains bloody at all its edges.

If you know apparently peaceful Muslims, as I do, it's because they either interpret their texts selectively and/or are functionally if not formally apostate.

You're grew up in LI, Ed?

crosspatch-

The Islamic culture peaked in the Dark Ages.

#258 crosspatch

close, but no cigar:

Let's see ... it used to be legal to beat your wife in Delaware with anything smaller than your thumb ... if she deserved it. If you beat her "unjustly" or with an illegal switch (larger than your thumb) they hauled you onto The Green to the whipping post and gave you lashes.

1.) USED to be. boy, that's an important concept. see... Muslims... with them it still IS legal... and in fact mandated by their religion (See point 2.)

2.) The law in Deleware was not an edict by a religious instituion, nor a requirement set down by any religious groups.

burying a woman up to her waist and then throwing big rocks at her until she dies IS something that the Muslim's religion calls for.

Again... Find a copy of the DVD "Buried in the Sand" and watch it in full. Then we can talk about how America is 'just as evil' as they.

Deal?

#258 crosspatch,

You are nothing but a MOBY, and you have let your stupidty come to the fold, just another moonbat troll that's all you are again STFU!

If Islam is not at it's core a violent ideology than perhaps someone can name one other major religion whose adherents have formed international terror networks (Hizbollah, al-Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, etc)?

Romney is a Mormon, and Mormons aren't Christians (except when talking to other Mormons, but despite some truly bizarre theology, they generally seem to be good citizens and good people, and if it was Hillary vs Romney, I know I'd vote Romney.

Dinghy Harry Reid is a Mormon, but he grew up unchurched, his wife was Jewish (he beat up his future father in law when he objected to his daughter dating a non-Jew (all class, Harry!) and he and his wife both became Mormon when he ran for elective office in predominantly Mormon Northeast Nevada, so I count him as one of the Bill Clinton back to Baptist Church with a Big Bible after losing election as governor of Arkansas, or Jean Francois Qeries "Catholicism" when running for elective office type political religionists.

#261 X

degaussing.

Also, what changes were made to your computer between when the monitor works and now?

if there were no changes, there might be a physical problem with the monitor or the card.

if there were changes, (i.e. a new video card) remove it and replace with the old card to verify that it is not the monitor.

Also, go to the website of the card manufacturer, if all the above tests don't help, get a phone number and tell them the problem. There might be a glitch in their software that they have a patch for.

/x-computer tech

Born in New York City, in Flushing, my parents lived in Jackson Heights pre-white flight. Probably set a record, since I was fat and slow, for being hit by the pitch in the Massapequa Coast Little League.

Thankfully, moved to Texas early enough to avoid Gosh-awful NY accent. My older sister was not so lucky.

#255 Ed : Lot's of great neighborhood bars and taverns in the Passiac area, esp. in Clifton, Garwood, Bloomfield. Hey you are from Lawn Guyland? We're practically neighbors. I'll lift one to you tonight at work Ed!

crosspatch

nowhere in the Christian scripture does Jesus instruct the disciples to spread the faith by force

This is a fact. Read the NT all you want, but don't come here and say, "if I'm able to twist the demotic Greek enough, the words actually said what I say they mean before I twisted them."

Please, bro. The hole is getting deeper. Put the shovel down.

crosspatch 258

Try comparing Jesus to Mohammed, both founder so their respective religions.

Jesus = Forgiving, loving, sacrificial, washes his disciples feet.

Mohammed = Hateful, pedophile, rapist, murderor. Enriched himself on the spoils of war.

Maybe you will get it, but I doubt it.

I am not so sure of that. I would be willing to bet that if I went back to the same texts that the King James version was translated from and used a little creative interpretation, I could come up with something.

Close only counts with horse shoes and white phosphorous grenades.

"Maybe I might be able to find something if I looked carefully at the original texts for a particular version of the New Testament" is not the same as "Slay the infidels wherever ye find them...(Koran Sura 9:5)".

#258 crosspatch

I am not so sure of that. I would be willing to bet that if I went back to the same texts that the King James version was translated from and used a little creative interpretation, I could come up with something.

That's nice. Now go read just Sura Nine in the Koran. That has more commands to do violence, spelled out in no uncertain terms, than the entire Bible.

You are just another moral equivalence drone filled with book learnin' from college. Great, just what we needed around here.

We keep trying to measure everyone else by OUR cultural yardstick and that is one of the things that makes us seem so arrogant to other people.

This isn't college. That probably got you an automatic B+, but it won't fly here. In the real world, there is a Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You might be familiar with this crap heap of kleptocrats and dictators in New York which is supposed to care about it.

Islam conquered half the entire known world in a very short period of time. The only advances in culture since their medieval 'Golden Age' (When the West was at it's lowest point since the Stone Age) have been due to outside influence and slave labor.

Wrap your mind around that and try again.

#270 Ed

I have to agree... since we are NOT a theocracy (despite what the Left says the Right wants to become), I would vote for someone who has the right social/political stances, no matter their religion.

Heck, athiests/agnostics like Mike C and OR defend Christmas, which is proof that socital/political values can cross religious lines if people will let them.

# 269, Dirk,

How about the ACLU, Move-On.org, DNC for starters?