at some point it has to break right?

By Bernard Lewis' calculations, the momentum toward the tipping point is irreversible. Muslim majority Europe by the end of this century.

Are we to be the last bastion?
Can we stop this onslaught of evil,pure evil?
I pray daily for our country to have the resolve to maintain.
No thanks to Dean,Kerry and all of the other quitters.

Why is this happening?

I'll tell you why:

for the same reason that we have to endure 18 months of coverage about a missing teenager in Aruba, but we can't get 2 minutes of coverage of the Saddam trial, arguable the worst mass murderer since Hitler.

The website's authors claimed that the camp would only be used to train fighters for combat abroad. However they also promised to "capture and punish" the Swedish Evangelist preacher Runar Sogaard who in March called Islam's Prophet Mohammad a "pedophile" for marrying a girl who, according to many Muslim traditions, was only 9 years old.

The website has since been closed down, and experts interviewed for this article were unaware of any such camps. However, the jihadists' claims suggest that problems lie beneath the placid exterior of Swedish society.

if you are going to be a pussy and always be "the bigger man" then dont be surprised when some one takes your stuff and kicks your ass doing it

PIMF arguable = arguably

they do little to challenge extremist ideologies

That's because the "extremists" can whip out Koran, Haddiths, Islamic scholarship and the very examples of Muhammed that show that they are (for the most part) doing exactly what the religion teaches. This whole "extremist / moderate" distinction is bogus in the first place and is really holding back what little discussion there is on the topic. More like levels of belief / non-belief, practicing/ non-practicing.

#2 karmic_inquisitor:

Muslim majority Europe by the end of this century.

Not necessarily, but it is virtually assured that there'll be a huge clash with Islam inside of Europe by then. That includes a few decade-long breaks of "No, no, no Mr. Infidel, we just want to get along." While the numbers continue to rise and Korans continue to be taught from.

"The Swedish system is very pacifying," says Carlstein. "A lot of people feel you don't have to get a job or learn the language," adding that unemployment and social immobility can help fuel radicalism.

You know, we have this problem too with some of our refugee muslim immigrants.

Kudos to Fjordman for being the one person who's really drawn attention to the issue of the Muslim ascent in Sweden and Scandinavia. I wouldn't be surprised if his blogging and posts here had some influence that led to this article being written. Even if not, as usual the blogosphere is leading the media yet again, since this issue has been all over LGF and similar blogs for quite a while.

It is a pattern echoed across Europe. While moderate Muslims may disown extremists and bar them from mosques, they do little to challenge extremist ideologies and the radical preachers merely regroup elsewhere

In the U.S., that's because the leadership of all the so-called "moderate" groups are themselves radicals.

Whether it's Nihad Awad/Ibrahim Hooper/Omar Ahmed of CAIR, or Salam al-Marayati/Maher Hathout of MPAC or Sayeed Syeed of ISNA or Mahdi Bray of MAS - they all defend radical Imams and terrorists.

Whenever anyone radical Imam or terrorism financier/terrorist is caught by law enforcement doing anything illegal, it's an "anti-Muslim witchhunt."

Jake Tapper's Islam's Flawed Spokesmen still holds true, 4 years after the fact.

Based on what I've seen in my wife's family, those Swedish people who had gumption and drive got up and went.

I have Norsk relatives. From Norway. They said they were tired already of this shit.

"This mosque is no good," says one Palestinian refugee who works nearby. "The imam, he is no good. He says one thing and he does another," he says, accusing him of un-Islamic activities, such as drinking alcohol.

The only thing to do, then, is take your sorry whining ass back to where you came from.

Many Malmo Muslims are turning to increasingly radical forms of Islam - in some cases alienated by Becirov himself.

"This mosque is no good," says one Palestinian refugee who works nearby. "The imam, he is no good. He says one thing and he does another," he says.

These people are angry because Imam Becirov will not condone the murder of Jews. He's not an Islamist. He's not a hate monger, so he's not popular in the Muslim community.

It's been like hell on earth to deal with this whole process," sighs Becirov, displaying Swedish press accounts of the last firebombing of the mosque Oct. 21.

No, this is nothing like the hell on earth that Europe is facing.

"The Swedish system is very pacifying," says Carlstein. "A lot of people feel you don't have to get a job or learn the language," adding that unemployment and social immobility can help fuel radicalism.

Oh dont forget after that you can get health care from Shrillery

I predict that there will be clashed between Muslims and the west in Europe the MSM can't ignore or spin in the next 25 years.

This whole "extremist / moderate" distinction is bogus in the first place and is really holding back what little discussion there is on the topic. More like levels of belief / non-belief, practicing/ non-practicing.

There's the key point. There are only two kinds of Muslims -- to borrow Christian terminology, the two types could be called

Fundamentalist Muslims

and

Jack Muslims

(as in "jack Mormons).

Fundamentalist Muslims are basically the only observant Muslims. In the media, they are called "extremist" Muslims, but that's a misnomer. They're simply the only ones who actually follow the dictates of the religion.

All the rest -- "jack Muslims" -- are essentially just cultural Muslims, but in reality they're apostates and backsliders and non-observant. In the media, they are called "moderate," but that's just a misnomer too. In reality, they aren't true Muslims at all.

If you live peacefully in a nation with a non-Muslim leader, then you can not be a true Muslim, as the Koran dictates that this is not acceptable.

If you befriend any non-Muslim, then you can not be a true Muslim, as the Koran dictates that this is not permissable.

If you accept the "laws of man" (i.e. the civil law of any nation), then you can not be a true Muslim, as shari'a is the only law to true Muslims.

etc.

What do they drive over there? Like Volvos or Saabs or something? How do they burn compared to French cars? Probly too damned cold to burn cars there, anyhow.

#10 SoCalJustice: Do you mean "radical" like radical Hindus who believe in reincarnation, or radical Jews who believe they're supposed to obey the Ten Commandments? Not picking on you in particular, myself and others have stepped into the MSM whitewash before. As a lot of us here know, this is deadly serious life-and-death stuff looming on a truly global scale, and we as societies haven't even brought ourselves to the point where we can honestly talk about an ideology that requires the conquering of all who do not believe in it.

Pity our descendants who will be fighting this war with bullets and bayonets, and those maimed for life in massive attacks on our once-peaceful cities. They'll have another difficult task, that of asking their elders "Why the hell didn't you fucktards do something to stop this while there was still time?! What kind of think-tank were you waiting on to explain what 'Kill the Infidel' means?"

If there ever is a war of the free against Islam, the only way the "free" will win is if we let the generals fight the war and not the politicians. D*mn politicians do not want to win a war, they want a "consensus" or a "truce". A "ceasefire" (Hamas style) is a liberal politicians idea of ending "hostilities". Here's an idea for ending the conflict with Islam. Destroy Islam completely. Think that might work?

Have proponents of Global Warming considered that it may be the vast amounts of hot air produced by ranting Imams that is the true cause of Global Warming ?

I think that the lure of radical Islam is the promise of a utopian society throughout the world based on Islamic law -- Sharia.

For example, the website of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, writes of its ultimate goal being to master the world with Islam. That's an intoxicating dream.

To make it seem more plausible, more possible, they give a prior step that needs to happen: a caliphate. In other words, an Islamic empire. Also heady stuff.

And to make that more plausible, more possible, they give a prior step: forming the Muslim (theocratic) state. That is, converting the existing Muslim-majority states into theocratic ones. And probably making other states into Muslim theocratic states. This is a motive for jihad.

And the connection to religious fervor gives a motivation that is like madness.

Hitler and the Nazis promised their followers a utopia, but they didn't have the benefit of the crazed religious fervor that is seen in radical Islamicism. That religious fervor makes the ideology more attractive to the duped madmen who join it.

Which tipping point? The one where Europe becomes irrevocably Eurabia ? Or the one where the now defeated Europeans realize what is happening to them, and decide that someone in their back yard represents a clear and present danger to everything they believe in, love, respect, cherish, hold dear? So what happens then? If they wake up before the point of no return, they will need to take some decidedly un-european actions to protect themselves and their families. Do they collectively have the balls to do this? I don't think so.

Europe is lost to the invading hordes. They were stopped at the gates of Vienna once, and now the Euro-nit-wits have invited them in to live next door to them.

Did a lot of good there now, didn't it.

#20
damm volvo's and saab's have a shit ton of fire retardents built into them. makes it down right near impossible to have a good ole car fire.

if the swedes are going to cave might as well cave all the way and make your cars easy to burn for your muslim youth.

It's worse than you think. Already plans are in place to replace the Swedish Bikini Team with a Swedish Burka Team.

Will there be a fun filled Car-B-Q in Sweden? Or, just the usual exploding train or bus?

So, "Radical Jews" believe in strict adherance to the 10 commandments and other self-governing laws, "Radical Hndus" believe in reincarnation, vegetarianism, etc, "Radical Catholics" believe that abortion is murder, "Radical Jehovah's Witnesses" believe in knocking on your door a lot, "Radical Mormons" believe in a storing a lot of food and having their young men missionaries ride around on bicycles, but "Radical Muslims" believe in either converting you, or killing you. Hmmm, those radical Jews and Catholics are sure dangerous.

#16 Rayra

I thought the Tipping Point was when you paid the check. Oh, wait, this is Europe we are talking about.

#24 EE

In other words, they're fucktards.

Destroy Islam completely. Think that might work?

Can you really envision that outcome?

#33 salem, no it is just a nice thought.

if the swedes are going to cave might as well cave all the way and make your cars easy to burn for your muslim youth.

Or make cars that burn back.

maybe all of this is g-d punishment on europe and the world for murdering the jews 50 years ago

no jews left in europe, thus causing a wave of emmigration...

#37
how do you think these swedish muslim feel when they cant light a car on fire? do they suffer from a self esteem problem that only a couple of beheadings or a self exploding could solve?

Define "envision".

Does it seem likely to happen? I mean if LGF were voting there wouldn't be a problem, obviously. But if you had to write a screenplay about the complete destruction of Islam, could you make it plausible? What's meant by destroying Islam? Is it possible for bombs to destroy an entire faith over the entire planet? And then what? We would all get along fine, I'm sure. Like when we defeated the nazi-... Oh wait.

Too bad Gene Roddenberry is dead...

#38 pork rinds for allah

Naw. Moonbatism is it's own punishment. (we make our own beds).

The one challenge the europeans face is called belief. What will be the backbone, foundation of their battle fervor? Will they be able to sustain against the fire in the belly believers who are willing to die for their faith?
The socalled true believers, you will not be able to wrench from their grasp their faith until they are cold cold dead.
It will take a mighty upheaval for the old and ancient european to awaken and realize his life, culture and very existance is danger not seen in many generations.

#10 socaljustice-- "Whenever anyone radical Imam or terrorism financier/terrorist is caught by law enforcement doing anything illegal, it's an "anti-Muslim witchhunt."

Yep. We can talk about what is going on in Europe, but it is happening here too. The LLL elite in the media, education and politics is leading the way to our own submission to Islam. Islam is not a religion, it is a complete code of politics, governance and civic law wrapped in a layer of a barbaric religious cult of death and submission. It is no more a religion than is communism.

On the homefront, we should be expelling all non-US citizen muslims, shaking down the mosques and dismantling those that are part of the terrorist infrastructure. None of that is really happening and in the handful of cases that it does, the well-financed bleating of CAIR and the MSM is all that is heard.

The terrorists are among us, planning and preparing. The government, particularly any part of it controlled by the Democrats, is enabling Jihad when it isn't otherwise ignoring it.

People have a hard time understanding the Serbs. In perhaps thirty years, we'll have to be like them to survive as they have through the centuries. Not a pretty thought and bound to be an uglier reality unless we root out the menace before we are crippled by some devasting terror strike or a neverending series of deadly attacks that have been so successful in hobbling Israel. Perhaps, we will see this play out in Europe first as a wake up call. But given the month-long muslim riots across France that didn't exist in the MSM or make a dent in what passes for Democrat policy or politics, I think we'll just as likely sleep through the alarm.

Desroying Saudi Arabia, the font of financing the spread of Islamofascism across the globe, would have beneficial effect making the war against Islamofascism easier to wage on the homefront. I think it should be a keystone of our foreign policy to bring on the collapse of the Saudi monarchy by military means, rendering them utterly incapable of continuing their global war against the USA and other non-muslim nations.

@38 pork rinds for allah

maybe all of this is g-d punishment on europe and the world for murdering the jews 50 years ago

The deathknell of europe was sounded with the death camp of Aushwitz. When europe started killing off the most industrious percentage of her population (Jews), the depopulation began.
So, the doors to the barbarians was opened during WWII. Europe is on a suicidal course
because of what she did during the war.

#39 blutonazi98
I think the self-exploding will take care of their selfesteem problem quite nicely if done in a proper manner. . . on a small boat by themselves in the middle of a large lake.

"But one has to be worried about issues like in Holland," he continues, referring to the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, "although it would take a lot for something like that to happen in Sweden."

I wouldn't bet the farm on "a lot" being further away than you think.

#25 kafir

No.. when they think all is lost, they hope the good ole USA will save their sorry asses again.

Can anyone give me an update whats going on in France with those terrorists, I havent heard anything for some time now?

Envision: A government financed Manhattan Project for hydrogen fuel cell technology, tax breaks for Big Oil to provide a distribution network, tax breaks for Big Auto to produce the new vehicles, and low-interest loans to encourage purchase of new vehicles.

A Declaration of War by the Congress of USA against Islamic Fascism Rogue Nations; regime change in Iran, Syria, and N Korea.

Meanwhile, back in the Nightmare Zone:

Russia confirms missile sale to Iran

Russia has struck a deal to sell short-range, surface-to-air missiles to Iran, the defense minister said Monday, confirming reports that have raised concern in the United States and Israel.

Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov didn't give details. But Russian media have said that Moscow agreed in November to sell $1 billion worth of weapons to Iran, including up to 30 Tor-M1 missile systems over the next two years.

"A contract for the delivery of air defense Tor missiles to Iran has indeed been signed," Ivanov was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

Ugh. Maybe Russia is being so underhanded that they know the sale will be intolerable to Israel, and Russia themselves wants the mullahs and nukes gone, so they did the deal to force Israel to attack and do Russia's dirty work.

#49 cracker_jones

Naw, way too simple, You'll never get elected. But I would vote for you...

Envision: A government financed Manhattan Project for hydrogen fuel cell technology, tax breaks for Big Oil to provide a distribution network, tax breaks for Big Auto to produce the new vehicles, and low-interest loans to encourage purchase of new vehicles.

A Declaration of War by the Congress of USA against Islamic Fascism Rogue Nations; regime change in Iran, Syria, and N Korea.

I love it! And then we build this intergallactic starship and explore strange new worlds. Go where no man has gone before!

Seriously, how would we know that all the people had converted? Would we have to construct a modern Inquisition?

I didn't expect that...

Europe faces the ultimate test: admitting closely-held, dominant philosophical beliefs are utterly wrong. If they can do it, they have a chance of survival. Sweden is probably the most endangered nation. Those who question open immigration are persecuted by the state as racists.

The European social model is best exploited by those who will eventually destroy it, unless things change. Europeans aren't reproducing at replacement rates. Their Muslim population is growing geometrically.

The clock is ticking.

This is what happens when good people become tolerant of the intolerable. Political correctness at its worst. The “god” of tolerance has been put upon a pedestal and worshipped. This “god” would have us believe that we should respect the religious filthy dogma that is Islam, allow it to build in numbers and credibility in our midst, because it makes us “good” to do so. Well, not for me. So for those who have not listened to the true G_d (and that ain’t Allah), and allowed this miasma to permeate their societies, the day is coming when the fit will hit the shan. Is there any threat more obvious in the past few decades than that of the march of Islam upon most Western cultures?

I do not have a religion. I do however struggle to have a personal relationship with my Almighty Creator. What I’ve learned from Him is that he hates deceit and false “gods” more than anything. If He will not tolerate the intolerable, why should we? Tolerance, in that light, is not being “good”; that’s suicide. If you think what has already transpired is ugly (9/11, Madrid and London train bombings, suicide bombers in Israel, etc., etc.), put on your seat belt because the worst is yet to come.

The European nations that have allowed Islam and the immigrants who carry it to flourish unchecked in their societies, thinking they were being “good”, will have a rude awakening. But their “goodliness” has not been unselfish. The cancer is there within them and they invited it in because of economics (greed). Their other false god, socialism, prevents them from doing anything about it.

I hope that the ground in the U.S.A. won’t be so fertile for the spread of this disease, but there are those who would ignorantly promote it in this country, too. I’ll be among the missing when that day comes.

Thanks for listening to Grandma on this rainy night, and have a nice day.

@47 Robert D.

Hello son. :)

((Robert D))

@49 cracker_jones

That is one heck of a great dream!

#55 quark2

Hi Mom!

(((quark2)))

I would vote for cracker's idea.

"This mosque is no good," says one Palestinian refugee who works nearby. "The imam, he is no good. He says one thing and he does another," he says, accusing him of un-Islamic activities, such as drinking alcohol.

Call me an infidel, but it sounds like one of the better mosques to me.

@57 Robert D

How are you doing?
Are you ready for christmas?

Yeup I think cracker has a great agenda. :)

#52 Salem

Seriously, how would we know that all the people had converted? Would we have to construct a modern Inquisition?

I don't care whether or not anyone converts. That's not the point.

New technology will change the source of energy from oil-based to hydrogen-based, allowing the west to stop financing the very countries who mean us harm. A Manhattan Project will speed up the process tremendously.

A Congressional Declaration of War should have been pursued in the days after 9/11. It was not, and the result is the same 5th column tactics used by leftist utopians and their useful idiots in the dem party, and the same lack of unity that caused this country's retreat in Vietnam.

#51 Robert D
I'm not officially running, but I will accept write-in votes. Just send your credit card number to my e-mail address and I'll start the campaign

#59 quark2

Yep, lights are up on the house, going to do the cedar tree outside this week. Snow has already been here, so I'm sure there will be more, hopefully less than the usual 8-10 inches.

How's things for you?

#25 kafir

they will need to take some decidedly un-european actions to protect themselves and their families

Only (very) recently have the Europeans mostly turned away from action. Let's just leave it there.

Eurabian policy sealed their fate 30 years ago. Bigotry against other Europeans (ex// "Polish Plumbers" in France)is stronger than any sense of danger from Islam. Here comes the whirlwind!

#56, Rayra,

The Jihad is going Nuclear, in both terms of weaponry AND in runaway escalation. Jihadis fiddlin' with Biotoxins and Atoms.

Of course it must be destroyed. This is not just as simple as defeating organized Communism with MAD, or Naziism with W.W.II in the last century; this is going to be the “big one”. The enemy has the intent, will and tools to annihilate everything, including their own. And we will fret in the meantime about all the “innocents” who will die or suffer. The “innocents” will be all of those, including our European brothers and sisters today, who do not take a stand. And I see that as really unfortunate. I know where I stand, and at least I stand for something. I think I know Who stands with us, too.

So yes, I can "envision" a point where it must be destroyed. And by 'destroyed', I mean its 'Holiest Places' wiped from the face of the Earth, Wahabists of all stripes hounded to th ends of the Earth to stamp out their foul breed of Islam, Muslim Nations shattered as they are inevitably drawn into the conflict, and Islam as an Ideology ruled 'illegal'.

So there are at least two climactic scenarios:

1) (absolute, one assumes) Complete nuclar obliteration and/or psychic cleansing of Islam, and all that entails. (It sure would be fun to find out that the modern Islamic movement wasn't just the unwitting pawn of something bigger, at that point. Calling Mr. Putin? Hello China?)

2) (fuzzy as all get out) Reform of Islam. By some measure of force and some measure of cajoling. As we've seen other religions reformed. I mean, the Christians don't go on too many bloody crusades these days, unless you listen to the poor, wretched misguided left. Crusades are BAD! That's bad! (as Bush Senior might say)

3) (absolute) Capitulation. But let's not think of this as an option, shall we? Meaning it's never going to happen. One thing is for sure: We are not all (ultimately) going to be defeated by/convert to Islam, unless you are one white-hot kind of screenwriter to explain otherwise.

For now, I have to hope it will be 2). Nukes flying. 1/6 of the earth razed. Since we aren't going to see 3), why hurry to get to 1). Especially when you can't possibly conceive of what 1) really means.

Granted, we might have to nuke some of Iran, but who knows? Maybe that will turn the trick...

That will be memorable witnessing the burning of the Louvre, St.Pauls Cathedral, Westminster with her many grand vaults smashed and the remnants of the many famous scattered across the cracked ground. Just think of the Titans, Rembrandts,
Gaugins and many other masters that will be destroyed. Statuary such as the Venus De Milo,
Rodans Thinking Man and the many other museum pieces that are older than islam that will be
no longer in existance. The libraries that will be torched, massive stances of old trees and many of the grand homes across europe that will be blown up and razed. Century old vineyards that produce world class wines will be fired and
then plowed under.
And the people who live with all of this history and great heritage will look on in fear and askance at the tremendous loss they're about to lose.
How many of them have even considered what is about to be the price of what they've brought upon themselves.

#67, quark2,

What you've described is, I think, called Armageddon.

I think the same is gonna happen in the US soon, if the MSM successfully pursues its goal of imposing official dhimmitude.

Yep, it does get that bad:
Outrage of the day: Bush told not to confuse terrorism with Islam

By the Washington Post, of course. Read it all.

@62 Robert D.

Oh I'm as fine as old wine. :)
Don't have my tree up yet, the house is in a state of remodeling and construction. Might decorate one small corner of the living room.

New technology will change the source of energy from oil-based to hydrogen-based, allowing the west to stop financing the very countries who mean us harm. A Manhattan Project will speed up the process tremendously.

Sounds super. That's bound to return them to the pre-automobile isolation. But I don't have much regard for these people, so that appeals to me.

I don't care whether or not anyone converts. That's not the point.

Hmm. Okay...

Gotta crash...

# 60 cracker jones

There's a small problem with the hydrogen-based economy, though. We have to make hydrogen. And all the current methodologies have a negative energy balance, i.e., it takes more energy to make the hydrogen than one gets from burning it or running it through a fuel cell. Until that hurdle is overcome, hydrogen is simply not an energy source.

For light applications (cars and light trucks, for example), we already have proven technology that could be utilized. Electric cars go back over a century, and we know pretty well how to build a nuclear power plant to supply the electricity.

@68 Grandma

Just as it was told to me by my father back in the late 50s and early 60s. He was scorned and laughed at by many because he saw so clearly the path we were already traveling.
He was right.

#70 quark2

Not a lot of room for a tree here, but good spirits anyway.

@72 Robert D

I like having small trees in each room, the large one in the sunroom..which is on the front of the house. Like anyone can see it way out in the middle of the country at the end of a road and at the back of our farm. *lol

@76 Rayra

I'm surprised as well. I do believe some months ago there were a couple of reports of vineyards being set on fire. There didn't seem to be any followup on that.
But not too worry, those mischevious jihadis will be getting the bright idea of how haram wine (alcohol) is and start correcting the fwench kufrs bad habits of enjoying their wines.
I believe when they start attacking the sure enough deeply embedded vices such as wine and beer the war will be on. :)

#74, quark2,

The current conflict is the ultimate in the war of ideologies. It is unlike anything history has seen before. The armies of the enemy are different from the armies of enemies in past historical wars. This is not a war with battles like Napoleon saw at Waterloo, or Grant at Petersburg. The enemy is clouded, deceptive, unrecognizable in our midst, more enabled because of our “diplomacy” and now, because of technology, more deadly.

And the whole idea of couching this in terms of a 'screenplay' is disgusting somehow. Far too 'academic' a discussion. This is Real, not some f'n screenplay.

Oh yeah. Well, it's always something...

You referring to me, yourself, or is that a general 'you'?

Oh, I can imagine it. I just can't imagine it being too rosy for the rest of us survivors. Things don't go back to normal after we open that can. And things have a way of not falling back into place after world wars.

If we get nuked over here, we will probably nuke targets in the Mideast. Provided we know it was muslims. From a particular country. Provided we know who it is at all. What if some French guy decided it would be really funny to sneak a nuke in and detonate it, knowing we'd nuke the Mideast.

So maybe we wouldn't nuke the mideast so fast. Maybe our government would choke. Not exactly good PR to nuke a few cities, just to have the press ask you for irrefutable proof that you nuked the resoponsible parties. Guess we'd have to nuke the press, too. The rest of the world would have good reason to regard us as nazis then.

And I suppose that may be our burden to bear. But we aren't going to decide the issue here. We are just going to share our opinions and debate and maybe a real strategy will be constructed with bricks from the blogs.

(rereads, rubs eyes)

Okay, I gotta crash. Have a good un'...

@78 Grandma

The enemy has done a fair job of superficially integrating with the natives in all countries where they've emigrated. It will in the main be street to street fighting in many places.
There will no certain lines drawn of where the enemy is. Very ambiguous just as they've planned it.

Tipping point already tipped - go back to Sept 2003: Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh was assassinated in broad daylight - not unlike Theo van Gogh. Who dunnit? Mihailo Mihailovic. Who is he? Well, a Serbian, delusional, recently released mental patient who did not like US foreign policy!

It's a stretch to connect the dots, but they still have not found who killed Olaf Palme in 1986, the Prime Minister at the time.

YA! SVEEEDEN! BORK, BORK, BORK!

Maybe those Muslims upset in Sweden will not be able to burn fire retardent Volvo's and Saab's, but set out to burn Ikea furniture in the streets.

treat them as the spanish conquisterdors did the aztecs--obliterate their holy places--kill their religious leaders--ban their book--impose a new religion on them at the point of a gun--it works historically--look at mexico--look at north africa--look at anatolia--this has all happened before--i do hope some outrageously politically incorrect think tank is working on this because it WILL be necessary--its hard to pray to a cube and a rock that will be glowing particles for ten thousand years--vitrification is the answer

Accident? Suicide? Or maybe years of threats fulfulled?

Samira Munir, Norwegian politician of Pakistani origins, died on November 14, 2005. All the details surrounding her death have not been revealed, but the police have hinted that it may have been suicide. It is not impossible that this could be the case, but she had received death threats many times from the Pakistani community in Norway because of her courageous fight for the rights of Muslim immigrant women, and for banning hijab, the Islamic veil. The website of Human Rights Service brought the shocking news that Samira had died under circumstances which still seem mysterious. Officially, she was killed by a train at Kolbotn station, one of the suburban lines outside Oslo. However, there has been quite a lot of speculation unofficially that the details surrounding her death don't add up, and that she may have been killed or even was dead before she was hit by the train.

via Fjordman:
Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way

Sorry about the bold... keystroke slip... didn't mean to "shout"

#87 Rayra
yep, me too. I have put together their furniture for 10 years.

I also like their ginger cookies A LOT.

But, our place with their furniture never looks as nice as the ones in the Ikea catalog.

its funny---malmo will be the site of the new caliphate in the west-- and this ten centuries after the viking crusaders helped king alfonso henriques reconquer portugal/lusitania by righteously slaughtering the muslim occupiers

#23:

"Have proponents of Global Warming considered that it may be the vast amounts of hot air produced by ranting Imams that is the true cause of Global Warming?"

No, but here in the UK they are considering altering cows diets to lower the amount of methane, that is gas, they emit because, of course, it could be harming the environment.

I can't make this shit up. They also sell eggs here, called FREE RANGE, and the box reads: "Chickens are free to roam and express their natural behavior." Natural behavior, have any of these bozos ever been around chickens, they peck each other to death!

How's this for a suggestion. Since it is easier to get a terrorist into the UK than a cat, why don't we try QUARANTINING suspected jihadis?

Just askin'

This is the Muslim version of "Good Cop, Bad Cop."

Non-violent or violent Muslims have the same goals: conquer, conversion (but not too much, need the slave labor), dominance. The question is means. That's why non-violent Muslims who believe never go after the violent Muslims. They know they have no theological ground to stand on. No believing Muslim could turn against anyone in the ummah. Sunnis killing Shia, or vice versa? They have pent up homicidal feelings (natural given Islamic theology) to release. Killing 'bad' Muslims is just as good as killing the unbeliever.

But the UK wants to recruit more Muslims into the military. Brilliant! Subversion from within will give them taqiyya practice.

While moderate Muslims may disown extremists and bar them from mosques

Excuse me, but this would be a great step if they really were barring extremists from Mosques. I've seen no sign that extremists are being barred and this, frankly is the first I've heard of them being barred.

In fact we need to be keeping tabs on when and whether they ARE barred!

Has anyone been keeping track of this?!

#56 Rayra

The Jihad is going Nuclear, in both terms of weaponry AND in runaway escalation. Jihadis fiddlin' with Biotoxins and Atoms.

If that happens this century could be much bloodier than even the last one, with billions slaughtered.

I'm not looking forward to another world war.

By the way, this makes all of those guys who called the cold war WWIII look pretty silly. A world war is a massive slaughter not a stand off.

If we end up in a fight to the death with Islam, it will be called World War 3, not 4.

No. 33 salem:

Destroy Islam completely. Think that might work?

Can you really envision that outcome?

Yes I can envision that. We did it to Japan in WW2, after we won we changed their religion. Something very similar will happen now. islam is on the way out. It is fignting furtively from a position of weakness. We will destroy it.

Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.

Norwegian women should carry an ACP and use it if they need to use it.

Yeah...a storm is coming...I am not sure where it will all end, but I hope that it does not include the destruction/outlaw of religion.

I am too lazy to scroll up and see who wrote it, but I hope that Islam will undergo a transformation - much as Christianity underwent a transformation a couple of hundred years ago. Christianity moved from a "if you dont love Jesus you are dead" to a much lighter tone. If Islam does the same, then hey - I can get along with them without any problem.

If I am persecuted because I dont submit...well...then we (or shall I really say "they") are gonna have some trouble.

#9 zombie:

Kudos to Fjordman for being the one person who's really drawn attention to the issue of the Muslim ascent in Sweden and Scandinavia. I wouldn't be surprised if his blogging and posts here had some influence that led to this article being written. Even if not, as usual the blogosphere is leading the media yet again

Thank you. Yes, the blogosphere is usually leading in these cases:

Is Swedish Democracy Collapsing?

There are few if any Western nations less suited intellectually to deal with the Islamic challenge than Sweden. It shows. Sweden is already a banana republic, perhaps on its way to becoming an Islamic republic. Swedish culture is disappearing with astonishing speed in front of our eyes. If the trend isn't stopped, the Swedish nation will simply cease to exist in any meaningful way during the first half of this century. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The "Swedish model" will no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but an Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, Socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Sweden has national elections in 2006. This will be one of the last opportunities the country has to resolve its towering internal tensions in peaceful and civilized ways. Some fear it's already too late.

Sweden: Steep Rise in Crime

Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Street violence of all kinds is soaring on a national level. Private security companies are in great demand in major Swedish cities, as a serious lack of police to combat rising crime has made many citizens tired of being robbed. The official number of rape charges in Sweden has more than tripled in 30 years. The number of reported cases of physical abuse/assault in Stockholm has also tripled in three decades. This steep rise in all kinds of crime and violence has happened at the same time as an unprecedented amount of immigration to the country. Of course, Swedish politicians would never dream of connecting the two. However, in one of those rare cases where a Swedish newspaper has actually told the truth, Aftonbladet revealed that 9 out of the 10 most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden are Muslims. A trend known from other European countries such as France, where Muslims make up 10% of the general population, but 70% of the prison population.

Jihad in Swedish Schools

A high school teacher in Malmö, Sweden, who discovered that about a dozen Arab students were laughing and shouting "Allahu Akbar!" while watching a DVD of infidel hostages being beheaded in Iraq. The headmaster didn't think the incident was such a big deal. At least 139 schools in Sweden suffered arson attacks during 2002 alone. Björn Vinberg from the fire department in Kroksbäck in the Malmö area says it's humiliating and degrading to put out fires again and again in the same immigrant areas, with school kids laughing at them and lighting a new one just afterwards. His colleagues have been to the same place no less than twenty times, all totally unnecessary.

Swedish Welfare State Cracking?

Are we seeing some major cracks in the Swedish welfare state, with its 25% real unemployment rate? 500,000 people are on early retirement in Sweden today, 68,000 of whom are between the ages of 20 and 40. "If the sick-leave levels in Sweden really were an indicator of how sick we are, we would be facing a plague here."

#97 AmericaninSweden

Christianity moved from a "if you dont love Jesus you are dead" to a much lighter tone.

These comparisons are always wrong. Read the Bible and Koran side-by-side. Christianity had it's Albigensian Crusade and Inquisition, sure. Those were not the rule, but exceptions.

There's no way to edit the clear, unambiguous, calls to violence out of the Koran without turning it into a pamphlet. If you think Islam is going to reform after 1,300+ years of continual reversion (to use their term for converts), surprise!

I'm wondering how my Swedish ex-father-in-law likes Sweden now. He's from Emma Boda but lives in B.C. now. They go back at least twice a year to visit. I'd love to be a fly on the livingroom wall after one of their visits now. I'll just BET he has plenty to say about conditions at home. He hated Toronto. Imagine how he likes Malmo now.

I should add another one. This is a comment by a Swedish lady at a Norwegian blog, translated by me. It is hard to overstate the extent to which Sweden is a politically repressed nation. No dissent is tolerated, and the few "racists" who try to raise a debate about immigration are attacked, even physically:

Sweden: "I always feel liberated when I go to Israel"

In Sweden, there is no clear external enemy, the enemy exists among our own. Among the Islamists with Swedish citizenship and among the intellectuals who defend them or keep silent, or worse, libel the ones that break this conspiracy of silence as racists. Every year I go for short trips to Israel. I always feel liberated there. In Israel, you know who the country's enemies are, and you are prepared to fight for your country and for your convictions. First of all with the pen – the intellectual debate is lively and refreshing – but even with the force of arms if necessary. In Sweden, a lot of people sigh and wonder when we are going to be converted by force to Islam. I'm not exaggerating. There is a submissive atmosphere of hopelessness and widespread decadence. During the past ten years, I have felt like a stranger in my own country. And that feeling just keeps growing.

Artist - Roxy Music
Album - Stranded
Lyrics - A Song For Europe

(Ferry/Mackay)

Here as I sit
At this empty cafe
Thinking of you
I remember
All those moments
Lost in wonder
That we'll never
Find again
Though the world
Is my oyster
It's only a shell
Full of memories
And here by the Seine
Notre-Dame casts
A long lonely shadow
Now - only sorrow
No tomorrow
There's no today for us
Nothing is there
For us to share
But yesterday
These cities may change
But there always remains
My obsession
Through silken waters
My gondola glides
And the bridge - it sighs ...
I remember
All those moments
Lost in wonder
That we'll never
Find again
There's no more time for us
Nothing is there
For us to share
But yesterdays
Ecce momenta
Illa mirabilia
Quae captabit
In aeternum
Memor
Modo dolores
Sunt in dies
Non est reliquum
Vero tantum
Comminicamus
Perdita
Tous ces moments
Perdus dans l'enchantement
Qui ne reviendront
Jamais
Pas d'aujourd'hui pour nous
Pour nous il n'y a rien
A partager
Sauf le passe

Semi-OT...

I came across this link the other day when I was doing some research. It would seem Islamic education begins with a lie:

Islam was the religion of the first couple: Adam and Eve.

Hmmm...Christianity predates Islam by about 600 years, Judaism predates Christianity by even more than that, and Adam and Eve predate Judaism.

Islam: The Religion of Lies.

#102 beagle

And here I thought Brian Ferry and Roxy Music were just another '80s flash in the pan.

Who'd have thought he'd be psychic?

#104 flipflop

That's from, like, uh, 1973-5, dude. It's really not groovy, but, like, dreary.

#99 beagle

Oh, the 'slims and the LLL never fail to drag out the ancient history of the crusades and the inquisition, as if they're relevant to what's going on today

#105 beagle

Damn...I didn't realize Roxy Music had been around that long. I know Brian Ferry has worked a lot of projects before and after Roxy.

Funny that people have no problem locking the doors to their homes .

In fact it considered common sense and a good precaution..

But somehow it offensive to lock the gate at the borders.

#106 flipflop

Oh, the 'slims and the LLL never fail to drag out the ancient history of the crusades and the inquisition, as if they're relevant to what's going on today

Yeah, they're still ticked about a defensive war ordered to recapture lands lost to Islam in its rapid conquest of half the known world. Eventually the Crusaders lost the entire Outremer to the Muslims.

But they're still angry about temporarily losing some land 900 years ago. Islam can hold a grudge like no other religion. They don't need much to get angry, but every bit helps.

This is frightening. But, what about here? Has not the al-Qaedacratic Party ALSO reached a tipping point?

Al-Qaedacratic Leader Coward Dean Commits Sedition on Live Radio in San Antonio

[Link: www.mererhetoric.com...]
Arab Fifth Column Watch - Major Arab Leaders Support Syria
A group of high-profile public figures in the Arab community in Israel convened this week in the northern town of Nazareth to found a "national committee" in support of Syria, the Arab Panorama newspaper has reported. The group includes prominent leaders such as Attorney Muhammad Miari, Sheikh
Wahab Kahreb, Attorney Khaled Zoubi, Greek-Orthodox church official Atalla Hanna, and others.
Syria is a country officially at war with Israel, which regularly unleashes their Hezbollah - effectively their proxy army in Lebanon - to murder Israeli soldiers and civilians. With the held of North Korean engineers, Syria has recently augmented their own arsenal of missiles so as to more
accurately target Israeli towns and cities. At times like this, we like to mention that Israel's Arab citizens enjoy more political, social, and economic rights than the Arab citizens of any other country anywhere else in the Middle East.

...while here in America even conservative blogs (Ace and a few others) temporize over Islamic murder-domination reaching into America.

We're just all too comfy watching football, Law and Order, and surfing lesbian porn.

Half of our electorate would vote to "include" sharia law out of "respect" and "tolerance" of American Islamic sensibilities.

Half of our conservative electorate would vote right alongside of them, blind to the Islamic domination sweeping the rest of the world.

It just can't happen here, hmm?

Temporizing sheep.

Islam is so close here... but I think they're stuck on confrontation, despite CAIR's best efforts at forcing sharia on us from within. The muslims will see the open door, eventually.

The West's non-response to the Balkans biting it in the ass...

Make no mistake, this fight will be also against the left. If the west is to have any long term future, then the left as it presently exists must be utterly smashed and discredited as a political force.

Why should the left survive the alliance they have willing made with islam, only to live to plot and scheme our demise another day?

If street fighting does become a reality in European cities, and I think it is inevitable and will be seen within 2 decades, then you can expect to see Marxist volunteers fighting side by side with mulsems, both united in their hatred of western civilisation.

Some people seem to believe that Europe is headed for the crapper and good riddance. Problem is if Europe does suddenly (or more likely, gradually) become a mainly Islamic society this will have extremely negative and damaging repercussions for America as well. Trade and defense will both be severely affected. The idea of French and Russian nuclear ICBMs falling into Islamic hands should scare the pants off of any American. America is strong, but not nearly strong enough to survive a serious ICBM strike in anything resembling the nation she is today.

A hostile Europe combined with a potentially hostile China does not bode well for America. Rather than dismiss those "Eurabian so-an-sos" it should be the policy of America to help reverse this slide into oblivion (it should be Canada's policy too, but Canada for all intents and purposes is part of Europe and would slip much faster except for geographical accident).

Isolationism won't cut it. Europe must be saved from itself, and from the Mohammedan.

Any reason to think that this same crap isn't going on right now (north of that looong border) up in Canuckistan?


Just askin... (anybody seen census numbers for, say, the last 20 years up there?)

But while the mosque has been a target for attacks since its founding, there is increasing evidence that Islamic militants are gaining a foothold in Sweden by successfully exploiting racial tensions and Muslim anger over economic underachievement, and ghettoization.

Gee, wonder why my Jewish ancestors in the ghettos of New York didn't think of blowing themsleves up in crowded WASP cafes to get attention?

#116 bofh

It is happening as fast as the Canadian government can make it happen. From 9/11 onward the Canadian government has shown not the slightest concern of the presence of radical Muslims in the country (sort of like the US, to tell the truth).

The thing is that unlike Europe where almost all immigration is Muslim, Canada gets more immigrants from China, non-Muslim Southeast Asia, the Caribbean, Latin America and Eastern European than it does from Muslim nations per se.

Islam is still a small minority in Canada, although it is the fastest growing group. Until Americans start taking their own situation more seriously (riddled with leftist traitors and Islamists) there isn't much point in picking on Canada.

Breaking point, tipping point, ain't agonna take no more, yada yada yada.

Westerners are too "civilized" to stop Islam. We shrink from what will have to be done. There is no concensus on eradicating the cancer that is Islam. We see 1.? billion muslims and say, "We must accomodate, we can't simply kill them all."

Even here, on this blog, I've seen fierce posters say, "I will be civil to my muslim neighbors." That's all they ask. Civility today, dhimmitude tommorrow.

Suckers. We're a bunch of suckers. Soon to be extinct suckers.

But so far there have been no terrorist attacks or Paris-style revolts in Sweden, and violence in Malmo has been largely between criminal gangs, together with some sporadic attacks against Jewish targets and municipal buses.

Oh, well, it's just Jewish targets - business as usual, nothing to get excited about.

Speaking of Canada, you know I have to say that the mainstream US left is actually considerably crazier than the Canadian left at this stage. When I listen to someone so obviously afflicted with severe emotional and mental problems as Howard Dean and compare him with a typical Liberal cabinet minister here... well Dean comes out looking like a lunatic in comparison.

Canada is fighting the war on terror, though not as much as many of us would like. We have troops in harm's way in Afghanistan (we were on the ground fairly early) and I have never heard a mainstream Canadian leftist advocate abrupt withdrawal. Don't get me wrong--our leftists are pretty wacky--just not as nuts as the people 45% of you Americans vote for every four years these days.

And that, my friends, is pretty scary.

Jesus,

My Iranian-exile dentist's office musak is playing Michael Jackson's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" (circa 1970).

Is this a great country or what, when pedos like Jackson leave the US to convert to Islam, and decent moslems live in freedom to play Christmas music in their office!

43 Stop Hillary - destroy the Saudis and the successor jihadi govt will be worse. We can do it--maybe even should do it--but we'd also have to make a committment to continuous bombing that would make it impossible for a jihadi state to flourish or even govern in former Saudi Arabia. Oh--and also seize the major oil fields, and garrison them indefinitely.
Not a small job.

Notwithstanding--let's do it. Just sans illusions about the cost.

There may be "relaxed" Muslims, but there are no moderates...to believe "a little" is to believe it all.

#119 Razorbacker

You got that right. Americans have become so complacent in their prosperity that they believe "it can never happen here" - the same refrain chiseled onto the tombstones of the world's dead civilizations.

We are so mired in political correctness that even a good majority of the conservatives in this country believe that "not all muslims are bad." Or, in other words, there is no "bad" political movement. This is moral relativism at its worst.

We gave no quarter to communism at its height. We didn't invite them into the political process with hugs. We gave no quarter to naziism at its height. We didn't invite them into the political process with hugs.

Our forefathers went to war over TAXES. Not murder, rape, WMDs, or naked aggression. Lincoln started his illegal war - the bloodiest in American history - over the relationship between the state governments and the federal. Not murder, rape, WMDs, or naked aggression.

Point? We've lost the American character that was based on the moral view of the individual. Now we get down on our knees and suck up to the "tolerance" of political correctness. Even if all of Islam has only 1 peaceful idiot, Americans believe we must be inclusive of all the rest of the billion fucking murderers.

The idiot left would immediately vote to give "respect" to American Islam by including a voluntary sharia law. Half of the conservative sheep would vote right along with them. CAIR's statements about replacing the constitution with sharia would roll right off of them as if they were wearing a political-hatred condom.

There is no room in Islam for secularism. American ideals are an affront to Allah. American ways are the ways of Satan. Islam will not stop until America is dominated and Allah and Islam are supreme.

Stupid sheep don't get it and will continue inviting political suicide. Democracy cannot survive Islam.

I've said it before but, it needs to be repeated, often.
Mecca is Ground Zero for a LARGE Air burst.

Oh, well, it's just Jewish targets - business as usual, nothing to get excited about.

My sentiments exactly.

#124 Genard Only a billion muslims want to defeat the West and bring Islam to America.

We still need to wring our hands and worry about "including" and "respecting" the 37 muslims in the world who don't really believe in islam...

Fact-checker? Is 37 still a solid number? Or has it decreased in the last hour?

#128 - William Thrash -

I think you have cracked it!

What I mean by "it" is the "question" to the "answer" in Douglas Adam's Hitchhiker's series.

So the answer was 42.

The question? "How many moderate Muslims exist in the world?" You've done it!

42 quark2 12/5/2005 09:42PM PST

The one challenge the europeans face is called belief. What will be the backbone, foundation of their battle fervor? Will they be able to sustain against the fire in the belly believers who are willing to die for their faith?

The problem isn't that they don't have a belief, but that their belief is wrong. They are very fervent and faithful that multiculti Eurosocialism will fix everything, and everything will be juuust fine if only the meddling US and the obnoxious Israel would just go away. They aren't of no faith, just of a wrong one.

This piece is interesting but once again shows the abysmal ignorance of Islam that characterizes the MSM.

...they also promised to "capture and punish" the Swedish Evangelist preacher Runar Sogaard who in March called Islam's Prophet Mohammad a "pedophile" for marrying a girl who, according to many Muslim traditions, was only 9 years old.

Aisha was six, not nine, when the pedophile married her, as all Lizards know.

The native Europeans have been secularized and de-nationalized by post-war socialism and multiculturalism. Now they are confronted by immigrants who reject secularism and are certain of the superiority of their imported institutions.

The Europeans have no way of dealing with this problem other than by ignoring it, arguing that it doesn't exist or passing "anti-racism" laws targeting recalcitrant native Europeans.

#132

Yep, they'll blame themselves and the victims before blaming the culprit. The leftist governments will use the opportunity to blame the "right wing."

It'll happen here as well. Muslims will murder and burn America, but it will be the fault of us "right-wing hate-bots."

“I know for a fact that there are small extremist groups in Malmo,

thats the point. they are there. we know about them. yet we do nothing.

What really raises my eyebrows about this is that back in the 90's, there were a couple of black metal musicians in Norway and Sweden raising hell, killing each other (and an innocent bystander or two), and torching churches.

Not small problems, admittedly - but the press went WILD. You could not escape the coverage, and many later claimed that the coverage itself fueled the violence and the panic. The eventual documentary was entitled, "Satan Rides the Media."

So now that we see a much worse problem, why isn't the media there covering it in the obsessive way that it covered the Varg Vikernes trial? Oh, that's right - because one right-wing musician is far more dangerous than thousands of Islamists.

Sheesh.

Aisha was six, not nine, when the pedophile married her, as all Lizards know.

Yes, but in the days of our Beloved NAbi (SAW) before the Jews were putting hormones in the water, women became adults and fully sexually mature at the age of four, inshallah!

And one of the qualities of Our Beloved Nabi (SAW) was that he had a very small dick, but big pendulous balls. Honestly, as an adult he was embarrassed in the presence of seven-year olds.