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Fri, Dec 9, 2005 at 12:17:34 am PST

Iran’s radical Islamic “president” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad put his thumb in the eye of the civilized world today and said Iran won’t halt its drive for nuclear fuel.

TEHRAN (Reuters) - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday said Iran would not halt its drive to produce its own nuclear fuel because it did not trust the West to guarantee a supply to feed its planned atomic power reactors.

Speaking in Mecca, where he was attending an Islamic summit, Ahmadinejad said Iran’s right to develop a full civilian nuclear program was non-negotiable. “We are not allowed to negotiate on the principle of having peaceful nuclear technology,” Iran’s official IRNA news agency quoted him as telling a news conference. ...

Ahmadinejad said the West had no right to suspect Iran.

“Those who have many nuclear weapons and have used them in the past century against defenceless people ... are accusing Iran of deviating toward nuclear weapons,” he said.

“You are telling us we can’t produce nuclear fuel, that we will give it to you. You who imposed medical embargoes on nations that caused the death of countless numbers of people, what guarantees are there that you will give us nuclear fuel? Is there any real guarantee that when you give us fuel and we become dependent on you that we receive the fuel at the proper time and a reasonable price?”

Does Armageddon have a proper time and a reasonable price?

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1 repjew  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:22:18pm

Yes but its for peaceful purposes...

2 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:25:13pm

Sadly I await mushroom clouds in the near future

3 repjew  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:25:25pm

The List
1. Iran
2. Saudi Arabia (was number one before the Mullahs went psycho and nuclear)
3. Syria
4. Egypt
any suggestions

4 TotallySirius  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:27:28pm
Those who have many nuclear weapons and have used them in the past century against defenceless people

Defenceless...Bruce?

Who the hell used nukes on defenceless people?

5 BR DevilDog  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:30:17pm

I just want to scream this at anyone who will listen: The only thing that will stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb is military force. I eagerly anticipate the news of Israel taking action.

6 nextmike  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:31:06pm

I attended an event in SF tonight that featured 4 panelists fresh from duty in Iraq.

You know what they all said (including the woman who runs Veterans Against the War!)?

They said that the relentless negative spin from the press has a negative impact on troop morale and only encourages the insurgents. The Veterans Against War woman admitted that watching CNN was the worst possible thing for troop morale and that it painted a very innaccurate picture.

No different than most of our modern day Democrats who couldn't give a flying f#ck so long as they can score political points.

And wouldn't you know it...tonight, watching the local TV news, the station focused on the most negative topic of the discussion (porr equipment), interviewed an anti-war veteran who wasn't even on the panel and closed with a theme of defeatism - quite the opposite of the tone the panelists set. But you wouldn't know it unless you were there.

I saw the bias with my own eyes. Courageous soliders - women, men, blacks and hispanics who believe in their mission and know that they are doing good work. But the Left and their allies are clearly trying their best to undermine morale, whether they know it or admit to it.

It makes me damn furious!

Here is the event I attended:

[Link: www.commonwealthclub.org...]

7 Mr. E. Train  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:32:14pm

We used nukes against an enemy that attacked us first, would not surrender and then we spent the last sixty years building up that former enemy. Japan is now one of our closest allies.

Iran would use its nukes to blast Israel in a first strike. Our use of nukes was to end a war in a way that would cost as littlel life as possible. Their use of nukes would be used to the ends of genocide and conquest.

Oh for a time machine so that I could go back in time to off Mohhamed the pedophile prophet.

8 TotallySirius  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:32:23pm

Oh yeah and I'm still trying to figure out why a country sitting on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power plants.

9 Orbit Rain  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:33:13pm

blah blah blah...

Your end is near.

10 Final Historian  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:33:39pm

You are up late tonight Charles.

11 sngnsgt  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:44:59pm

US, UN condemn Iranian leader's Holocaust comments:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Comments by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad expressing doubt about the Holocaust and suggesting Israel be moved to Europe are appalling and reprehensible, the U.S. State Department said on Thursday.

Link

12 Teamcheeser  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:46:13pm
You who imposed medical embargoes on nations that caused the death of countless numbers of people...

All this nuke stuff aside, this quote really bothered me.

"Islamic summit"? Yeah. On the top of Mount Stoopid!

13 zombie  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:46:45pm
Ahmadinejad said Iran’s right to develop a full civilian nuclear program was non-negotiable.

Then there is absolutely no point in having negotiations.

The Europeans are fools. We don't need bigel and the Samson option to nuke them -- they're in the process of getting themselves nuked.

14 zombie  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:50:14pm

#6 nextmike:

Thansk for the great report.

Want to know what's really happening in the world? Come to LGF.

15 TotallySirius  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 10:58:28pm

OT

Russ Feingold of McCain-Feingold fame and only congresscritter to vote against the original patriot act says patriot act is a threat to freedom and promises to use every means possible including filibuster to stop its renewal.

Frigging traitor

16 Black George Bush  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:08:19pm

Liberals will want to give diplomacy with Iran a chance even after the fuse is lit on that stick og acme atomic dynamite.

17 zombie  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:12:00pm

In other San Francisco news:

For those not in the area, the San Franciso media is in a frenzy over a concocted scandal about a series of satirical videos made by a SF policeman as part of a morale-boosting program. The videos are described as being "racist," "offensive to women," "insensitive" and so on, but it's all a bunch of LLLies. The media will not tell you that the videos are actually NOT any of those things, are quite funny, and instead are self-deprecating about the cops. Example: a self-absorbed cop is driving along talking about having to relate to the community, and in his narcissism he runs over a homeless woman and doesn't even notice, and just drives away talking about connecting with the people. See? Self-deprecating. But this is described as "racist." Why? Because the "homeless woman" is black. Anyway, there are many such similar examples disproving the claims against the videos. But that is brushed aside and the MSM reports as unquestioned fact that the videos are racist, sexist etc.

Mayor Gavin Newsom and Police Chief Heather Fong held a press conference about the video yesterday in which they acted like they were announcing the end of the world. 20 cops were suspended over this non-event.

What's the catch?

The officer who made the video was named Andrew Cohen. Earlier tonight Shiplord Kirel noticed that officer Cohen had already been featured on LGF as the subject of a bizarre "cop-naming incident" by AP, which many suspected was a crypto-anti-semitic jab. For some reason, this Jewish former-liberal-from-Berkeley cop is highly unpopular with the leftist elites of San Francisco. It's like they have a vendetta against him. Why?

Well, this is what I dug up: In 1998 he recorded a rap CD that attacked the liberal DA's office for not prosecuting the criminals the cops brought in, and also attacked the OCC, an anti-police citizens' complaint commission that became a mouthpiece for the extreme left. I think this CD put him permanently on the radar of the vengeful far left of SF.

Here's a profile of him from about 7 years ago:

Two of his songs have become anthems among the rank and file, including cops who normally can't stomach rap music.

On "O.C.C.," Powder makes some clever digs at the Office of Citizen Complaints, The City's independent police watchdog agency loathed by most cops. Using the melody of Naughty By Nature's 1991 hit "O.P.P.," Cohen changes the refrain to "O.C.C." and gives a long diatribe about the agency, comparing it to "an autocrat."

On "DA Don't Prosecute," he pokes fun at prosecutors, crooning:

"Do the crime it seems to pay / you might have to do about a day / then push the revolving door to get free / go on another crime spree."

The song closes with the lines: "The streets are gettin' crazier day by day / people are comin from all around / to commit their heinous activities / the word is out - crime's legal in our town."

Prosecutors don't enjoy being the butt of his humor

Zombietone News: we report, you decide.

18 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:23:00pm

# 17 zombie
Hi zombie! Do you think the Bay Area is behond redemption? Sometimes I get that feeling, although I've never been around the area, so I don't know. But you are a part of that world, so your view point is very reliable.

19 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:31:22pm

The Bay area has been beyond redemption since the 60's. No hope for them.

20 zombie  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:34:50pm
#18 MigueldowninMexico
Hi zombie! Do you think the Bay Area is behond redemption?

No. If it's got people like Officer Cohen and me and Havoc and mbruce and all the rest of the Bay Area lizardoids, we've got a chance. There are times when it just seems like a lost cause, and then out of the blue there is a glimmer of hope. Here's an example: years ago I knew a guy who was an anarchist who was for the legalization of all drugs and who wanted to completely shut down the entire prison system and release all prisoners. A real moonbat supreme. I lost touch with him sometime in the '90s, but in the last few months I've begun to notice that he now writes letters-to-the-editor to local newspapers. The punchline: they're completely great anti-idiotarian letters that read like a paragraph from Mark Steyn or Victor Davis Hanson. When I saw them I was, like, "Whoa!" If this guy can "wake up" and have a political conversion, then anybody can.

Little by little I do see an incremental change around here. Still a very long way to go, but I think the Bay Area is not beyond redemption.

21 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:57:05pm

you see what they did to Schwarzenegger in this state and he's a RINO...not even close to being a Conservative. All he tried to do is balance the budget! They are vicious here. No, I don't see the politics here improving. If anything it's worse than it's ever been. I'm in SoCal and it's bad here. Even worse in NoCal. It would take 3 generations of deprogramming...kind of like the middle east.

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:57:27pm

Israel will attack and the world will be on fire. At least there will be something on TV to watch. And be assured that the MSM will blame the US for supporting Israel and it's Bush's fault because we chose a pre-emptive strike first. And after the beat down, watch Bashir Assad shake like a drunk on a Monday morning.

23 Beagle  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:58:00pm

Back in my day (creak) it was considered very possible a nuclear power might launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on another nuclear power. I wonder if the Iranians have considered the fact the U.S. has sworn off the nuclear bunker buster, while Israel has been very quiet on the subject.

Ahmadinejad support genocide, question the holocaust, and suggest Israel be moved (the Hitler package) without creating intense unease within the Israeli military planning community, not to mention Jews all over the world.

Ahmadinejad needs understanding, social recognition, and something to do. (via e-mail, enjoy)

24 Beagle  Thu, Dec 8, 2005 11:59:18pm

Ahmadinejad cannot support genocide...

FIMP

25 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:03:04am

#20 #21
Thanks for the answers. It was a mixed reaction I got. I would love that zombie's optimism be true, Stuck-in-CA, but also realism is necessary. I'll keep on praying for us to win this war, anyway. God bless all the good warriors everywhere.

26 hutchrun  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:04:13am

Symposium: The Death of France
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

27 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:07:12am

The only good news in this is that maybe it will finally shake the US into action. Israel has no choice - if the Americans don't attack, Israel has to attack.

We are approaching the holiday of Chanuka, whose theme is "Mi laHashem Eilay" (מי לה' אלי) those who are for G-d come after me (the real G-d - not the Muslim pedophile). This is a situation that demands leadership. Hopefully W will overcome the LLL and provide it. Otherwise, it will have to come from elsewhere...

28 freedomplow  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:07:25am

The tv media will report this when?

Flash to the media... This is the story, not the snow storm!

Get your head out of your *ss.
We are all watching you and asking wtf are you doing!

29 hutchrun  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:13:51am

They shoot children, don't they? By Dennis Prager

[Link: www.sullivan-county.com...]

30 [Engineer]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:20:39am

I got a email that came from General Schoomaker about a speech General Abizaid (CIC of Central Command) gave at the Naval War College. This email has come down the chain under orders that everybody connected with the war in any way, including vendors like my company, get it. I can't quote it, but I feel better not only about how the war is going, but that our military has the correct "big picture" about who we are fighting.

31 hutchrun  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:22:11am

The Truth About Jonathan Pollard by John Loftus

`Pollard in fact did steal something that the U.S. government never wishes to talk about. Several friends inside military intelligence have told me that Pollard gave the Israelis a roster that listed the identities of all the Saudi and other Arab intelligence agents we knew about as of 1984. (This has been corroborated by Israeli sources, as well.) At that time, this list, known in intelligence circles as the "blue book," would have been relatively unimportant to the United States—but not to Israel.

Since 9/11, however, Pollard's "blue book" is of profound interest to everyone, including the U.S. These particular agents are now a major embarrassment to the Saudis and to the handful of American spy chiefs who had employed these Saudi intelligence agents on the sly. Some of the names on this list—such as Osama Bin Laden—turned out to be leaders of terrorist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood and what we now call Al Qaeda.`

[Link: www.sullivan-county.com...]

32 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:32:14am

#28 freedomplow

The tv media will report this when?


TV media focuses on getting people to work (weather), stories with video, entertainment, and financial news. Serious journalism is limited to print and the Internet. About the only exception is Fox and the Oil for Food scandal. They've done a few ambush interviews on the main characters to get into the stories with video category.

The punched preacher, Nick and Jessica, and snow are TV stories.

33 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:35:48am

WHOA CHARLES! - I get up at 5:AM here in NYC and see you already have a post up for today, Friday. And a bunch of folks already commenting on it!
I actually checked the calender to make sure it was Friday - man this is going to mess with the (other) Dead Threaders' heads! - course I'm gonna try to go back to sleep again but the rest are gonna be astounded.

As to your questions: Yes, I'm afraid Armageddon does have a proper time and that time is drawing perilously near if it isn't already here. Hasn't President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad heard of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or is his head so far up his ass he can't read ANYTHING, not even the Koran, because it's too dark?
Secondly, it has a price: millions upon millions dying. The question is, is it worth the price? And the answer is yes, if it somehow manages to save what civilization remains (in the West and the Far East).
Did you notice the irony of Ahmadinejad's question of "Is there any real guarantee that when you give us fuel and we become dependent on you that we receive the fuel at the proper time and a reasonable price?”
Is there any real guarantee that when you give us fuel and we become dependent on you that we receive the fuel at the proper time and a reasonable price? Can easily be turned around and you can easily substitute OIL for (nuclear) fuel? Finally, Ahmadinejad has dropped any pretense of this being anything justified on religious grounds: no mention of Muhammad (PBUH), the Koran or Islam, much less the Infidels not even the establishment of the Caliphate; this is a purely, naked grab for power and he's using their ATTEMPTS to finish developing Nukes against nations which already have them and, when necessary, have used them. Their either must be regime change in Iran or there must , most regrettably, be no more Iran. Soon.

34 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:42:19am

#27 Carl in Jerusalem

I hope W realizes the U.S. should do this and not give into the temptation to let Israel do it. The regional and global consequences will be lessened if we do it. This is not time for the latest George to go all wobbly.

The IAF is probably the best defensive air force in the world. But when it comes to projecting power to the rest of the world with bombers, the U.S. has far more capabilities than any other nation. Israel would have to rely on fighter-attack planes. We have the B-2, F-117, B-1, and B-52, far better for the job, unless Israel uses nuclear weapons. If our inaction forces Israel to use nukes to get the job done the repercussions will be global and terrible.

35 Dan Gummitt  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:53:33am

#26 hutchrun

From the frontpagemag article: "(Muslims in France rioted to maintain) a privileged status that offers surplus rights and reduced responsibilities"

Now where do you suppose they learned that tactic?

36 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:55:43am

Our best and only hope for a real revolution in Iran, a regime change from within, has always been the students. The students are being rounded up and kidnapped. The President of Iran Ahmedimaniac {hat tip expat swede] is removing all obstacles internally and externally to world domination. That is his objective.

Students blindfolded and taken to unknown locations

Based on received reports from Tehran, the Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) of the Ahmadinejad administration have begun a new reign of terror on student activists. The reports confirm that many student activists have received phone calls from MOIS agents who have summoned them to hotels and various other odd types of places in order to undergo long interrogations. Sometimes they even arrange to meet students in the street; kidnapping and blindfolding them, the students are then driven to unknown locations.

The students undergo brutal interrogations that go on for hours and days where they are asked about various other student leaders and plans for actions; the students are also forced to surrender the names of their fellow activists who write the calls to protests, speeches, statements as well as the subjects of any upcoming statements and speeches.

Students who are arrested are forced to cooperate otherwise they or their families and friends are physically threatened. Several activists who refused to cooperate were explicitly told that MOIS would frame them and manufacture charges.

37 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:56:56am

Students arrested during protests in Iran capital: Update

Tehran, Iran, Dec. 08 – Hundreds of students took part in a demonstration outside the main gates of the University of Tehran to mark Iran’s national Student’s Day amid tight police security and a ban on protests.

A student outside the campus told Iran Focus by telephone that State Security Forces, Iran’s para-military police, attempted to disperse the crowd who started to gather just after noon, chanting anti-government slogans and singing patriotic songs in commemoration of the student movement in the country.

According to the source, despite outnumbering the protesters, police were unable to disperse the crowd.

Police arrested half a dozen protesters including a young man who was then taken to ward 209 of Tehran’s notorious Evin Prison, according to one of his relatives who sent an email to Iran Focus.

Two female students were detained outside Tehran University’s Faculty of Law and Political Sciences as protests were gaining momentum and taken to an unknown location.

A couple were also arrested and taken to Police base 148, while a young man, who was nabbed while holding up a banner, was detained and taken to an unknown location.

38 AtlasShrugged[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:58:23am
39 AtlasShrugged[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:59:52am
40 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:04:27am

# 34 Beagle

I hope W realizes the U.S. should do this and not give into the temptation to let Israel do it. The regional and global consequences will be lessened if we do it. This is not time for the latest George to go all wobbly.

You're right. But if he doesn't do it, Israel doesn't have a choice. Ahmadinejad has made his intentions quite clear, and if we ignore him and we are wrong R"L, we won't have a second chance. This is a small country with dense concentrations of population, and we cannot take the chance of this maniac nuking us.

The IAF is probably the best defensive air force in the world. But when it comes to projecting power to the rest of the world with bombers, the U.S. has far more capabilities than any other nation. Israel would have to rely on fighter-attack planes. We have the B-2, F-117, B-1, and B-52, far better for the job, unless Israel uses nuclear weapons. If our inaction forces Israel to use nukes to get the job done the repercussions will be global and terrible.

The US has two things that Israel doesn't: aircraft carriers and forward bases. I don't think Israel would necessarily go nuclear to get the job done (we didn't in Iraq). But if the US doesn't act Israel has no choice. And that day of reckoning is fast approaching.

# 36 AtlasShrugged

Our best and only hope for a real revolution in Iran, a regime change from within, has always been the students. The students are being rounded up and kidnapped. The President of Iran Ahmedimaniac {hat tip expat swede] is removing all obstacles internally and externally to world domination. That is his objective.

There's no time to wait for a revolution. The Iranians are past the point of no return. They're no more than a few months from having a bomb. Even if Ahmadinejad were not suppressing any possible revolution, there's no time for that now anyway. While I sympathize with the Iranian students, there's not enough time for them to do their thing; they are not an option for us and cannot be our top priority.

41 hutchrun  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:06:26am

#35 Dan Gummitt:

They learnt it from the Koran. A lazy,lustful, greedy people not fit to call themselves humans.

42 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:25:41am

#40 Carl in Jerusalem

But if the US doesn't act Israel has no choice.

Ahmadienjad makes that clear seemingly on a daily basis. If the UN didn't always subvert its charter and founding documents, Iran would be under intense pressure already.

ElBaradei revised his estimate on nuclear weapons, again. He now claims he said it's months after the completion of some facility.

I've read enough about technology transfer to Iran to think the second they have enough enriched uranium, they'll have functioning nuclear weapons of the fission variety. They may have a couple already.

43 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:31:56am

Wow. Alot of snow out there. Which means but one thing: I'm going back to bed.

Oh, and would someone please whack Ahmadinejad.

Thanks. Have a nice day.

44 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:36:05am

This ought to be amusing. From Drudge. But we won't question their patriotism:

EXCLUSIVE: GOP TO LAUNCH 'WHITE FLAG' DEM ATTACK
Thu Dec 08 2005 18:02:44 ET

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from a top GOP operative that the Republican National Committee will provide state parties with a web video prior to release tomorrow afternoon that shows a white flag waving over images of Democrat leaders making anti-war remarks.

The ad is in response to the controversial comments Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean and 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry made earlier in the week.

A Democratic strategist who had the web ad described to her said, “This is way over the top but we have no one to blame but Dean, Kerry and others who continue to pander to the anti-war activists within our party.”

The web video advances the Republican contention that the Democrats only have a “retreat and defeat” message on the war in Iraq.

The video highlights the effect Democrats can have on the morale of U.S. soldiers.

One Republican strategist familiar with the ad said, “The Democrats, especially Howard Dean have a way of trying to turn the tables and say ‘that’s not what I meant’ – its just those ‘evil Republicans’ This video will make them crazy – it reinforces what they really believe with what they actually said – and that is devastating for the Democratic Party.”

Developing...

45 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:46:15am

Ralph Peters weighs in on Dr. Demento, aka Little Howie Dean.

46 [Engineer]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:46:51am

Damn, it is 10 degrees in Dallas, Wind chill = 2. Who left the door to Canada open?

47 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:46:55am

Egypt Islamists make record gains

The opposition Muslim Brotherhood have won a record 19% of seats in Egypt's three-round parliamentary elections, preliminary results say.

Nutz.

Not good to see Egypt heading off down this path.

48 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:49:51am

Oh boy, this is amazing.

An Israeli soldier was stabbed to death by a Palestinian at a busy Israeli army checkpoint outside Jerusalem... There was no word on the motive for the stabbing

Israeli killed in W Bank stabbing

49 scaramouche  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:58:58am

To the tune of "Winter Wonderland"

In Iran if your're lookin'
Yellow cake is still cookin'.
They're makin' some nukes
Despite our rebukes,
Building an Islamist arsenal.

They'll say, "Hey, glad to see ya."
As they practise taquiyah,
And tell Mo ElBee
There's nothin' to see,
Building an Islamist arsenal.

In the silo they can hide a bomb now
Then pretend it isn't what we think.
They will tell us lies with such aplomb now.
If we buy them we all need to see a shrink.

Later on, they'll conspire.
Say they plan to retire.
They'll sing us a song
And string us along,
Building an Islamist arsenal.

50 MeanMrMustard  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:59:32am

18° F. and 2-3 inches of snow in S. Ohio.

51 [Engineer]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 1:59:39am

#48 Smit

There was no word on the motive for the stabbing

Just how dumb does the writer think we are?

52 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:08:38am

Hmmm...a sign of hope, or a smoke screen?

Muslim Leaders Pledge Crackdown on Extremism

53 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:09:40am

Good Morning-Afternoon-Evening Lizardzoids & Lizardettes

I have received the following info from a number of people working in Croydon, I'm not sure whether or not to believe it myself.

Muslim's in Croydon are droping £10 notes and if someone give's the money back to the Muslim who droped the money, The Muslim will first thank that person then say the following "Now you have helped me,I'm going to save you. Stay out of Croydon between 21-30 Dec because it's going to be bombed."
54 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:09:48am

Well, crap. I've been hanging out on the wrong damned thread.

55 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:09:52am

#49 scaramouche

Very good...that's a keeper!

56 Planet X  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:12:15am

As soon as the Larry David and his irk, and the Liberal Jews are finished removing George Bush and the republicans from power.

Then they can get around to disarming Iran.
Right ! I mean that the plan ... right!
First Bush, then Iran... In order of importance...right

57 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:17:12am

OT. It's my last day on the Nightshift after 6 years...I intend to party tonight. w00t!

58 greenmamba  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:26:51am

Jewels: Enjoy the new schedule. Party on.

Krauthammer criticizes the Saddam trial.
Man for a Glass Booth

Of all the mistakes that the Bush administration has committed in Iraq, none is as gratuitous and self-inflicted as the bungling of the trial of Saddam Hussein.
59 Sean II  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:34:27am
60 Wisenheimer  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:36:06am

#53

Sounds like an urban legend.

61 Luigi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:37:12am

What is it with Fox news and Christmas? Christmas for them is a time to hate. Just now ED and her friend let go with this teaser: "Is Santa the victim of a hate crime in Florida? It's really sick!:"

Why don't they just leave the story alone? Let people have Christmas, or not. But stop ruining it for everybody.

I far, far prefer the message of Ebenezer Scrooge to that of Fox. I quote Scrooge:

"Let me keep Christmas in my own way."

I really wonder what Christmas actually means to the people at Fox. It seems to be an excuse for hating people.

62 scaramouche  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:39:05am

#56 Planet X

Larry David and his irk

Well, they are really irksome.

63 Ackomanyuki  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:43:14am

If you see a mentally deficient child shivering in the cold , by all means give him a blanket and shellter. If you see this same child playing with a firearm in a room full of people, do not hesitate to mitigate such a potentially disasterous situation.

64 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:48:11am

#59 Sean II

Well, that's the Religion of Pieces for you.

65 Mrs. Beto  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:49:40am

Mr. Alpizar in Miami experienced his own personal Armagadon. His wife, who professionally and personally knew better, set him up to get taken down. Schade. When she screamed to get their "bags" while the Air Marshalls ordered him DOWN, they heard a "B-word". Admitting her own blame, relieved to be done with him, the media is certain to make her a martyr. Schade.

Curt Anderson, Associated Press:

The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was bipolar, a disorder also known as manic-depression.

She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband — I need to get to my husband!" Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar. He didn't take his medicine.'"

Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her and guided her to a seat, he said.

"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her fault, that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't ready."

Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness, the organization said in a statement.

66 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 2:55:54am

#59 Sean II

Muslims randomly targeting other Muslims. I can't believe it's typical in the 21st Century. When I was a kid I thought we'd be moving forward into the Space Age, not backward into the Dark Ages.

67 Cornholio  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:10:16am

You can't spell "Jihad Madman" without the letters "Ahmadinejad"

68 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:13:49am

♪♪ Good morning, dead-threaders! ♪♪

Snowing here and it's -5ºC or around 23ºF for those of you down south.

:)

69 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:16:02am

Cornholio

LOL!

That's very clever!

70 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:17:28am

#68 miss trixie

Good morning!

We woke up in Virginia this morning to 0C, or 32F with snow and ice. Yuk.

71 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:17:57am

16 Black George Bush- liberals will want to give diplomacy a chance even when lower Manhattan is a glowing pile of rubble.

GWB, Rummy, IDF, somebody - Faster, please.

72 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:19:31am

#67 cornholio

Very good...that should be on a bumper sticker.

73 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:19:47am

flipflop

I lived in Reston VA for a few years. I really loved that town and miss it a lot. I'll take your "winter" weather anytime over Canadian ones.

/I ♥ VA

74 tigger2005  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:19:48am

You know, I can actually understand 3rd worlders being suspicious of Western intentions; after all, colonial exploitation really happened and only ended in the middle of the last century, and two devastating wars were fought in Europe, and the U.S. and the Soviet Union fought proxy wars and held a long and tense nuclear standoff. If you'd lived in the 3rd world during that time, you might not have an especially balanced perspective on the West.

But the cynical way Madmouth Ahmajerkinwad twists history to justify Iran's nuclear program is sickening. He offers absolutely no context for U.S. use of atomic weapons, ignoring the facts that we were attacked first by a well-armed and relentless enemy that had already slaughtered millions of Asians, that the bombings saved hundreds of thousands of American AND Japanese lives, and that we haven't used atomics since.

Then the medicine crap, an obvious reference to the Iraq embargo, ignoring oil-for-food and the fact that it was Saddam Hussein, not the U.S., who withheld medicine from his people.

But Madmouth knows all this, of course. However, his bile will play well with the LLLs.

75 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:22:49am

#73 miss trixie

I go to Reston frequently. It's a nice town, but very congested these days. Of course, the Fredericksburg area where I live was still mostly rural when I built my house here 10 years ago, but is becoming more and more like Reston.

76 Luigi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:23:15am

This is a joke. Right?

World 'losing patience with Iran'

Mohamed ElBaradei, who is in Oslo to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, said outstanding nuclear issues with Iran would be clarified next year.
77 foreign devil  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:23:49am

Ahmadinejad is a capering monkey. A Rumpelstiltskin for the 21st century. Give him enough rope...

78 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:25:10am

Kennedy Airport has gone to rain, but LaGuardia is still snow.

79 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:26:16am

#77 foreign devil

Yeah, but cornholio already guess his real name in #67.

80 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:27:20am

#78 ed

That's weird, they're not that far from each other. I guess it's JFK's proximity to the ocean that makes the difference?

81 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:28:28am

48 smit

An Israeli soldier was stabbed to death by a Palestinian at a busy Israeli army checkpoint outside Jerusalem... There was no word on the motive for the stabbing

Motive, motive? We don't need no stinkien' motive

may they burn in hell...and soon

82 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:28:31am

#65 Mrs. Beto - Your story is troubling, to say the least. But a few questions first, please.
What is the meaning of "Schade"?
You then say :"Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my bags." BEFORE THE SHOTS RANG OUT [emphasis added, ed.] Was Mike Beshears a passenger on the plane?
You also say: "Air Marshalls ordered him DOWN, they heard a "B-word". Admitting her own blame, relieved to be done with him,..."

What makes you say she was "relieved to be done with him"?
I don't think it at all unusal for someone to blame themselves when something awful happens to a loved one who didn't take his/her meds, especially when they've been taking them for an extremely short time or an extremely long time; blaming herself may simply be her way of saying "I didn't WATCH him take his meds, so he must not have, ergo it's my fault". I think it's even more so when the person works for a nonprofit organization focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness. Other than commentating on what I've said, do you have a link?
Thanks.

83 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:30:55am

I think the war in Iraq was the right thing to do. It would have been foolish to let a man who ignored international norms and who had at least indirect ties to Islamic terrorists to develop nuclear weapons.


But if the US does nothing and allows Iran to develop a nuclear arsenal, than almost by definition the war in Iraq was pointless.

84 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:32:42am

#68 Miss Trixie

Snowing here and it's -5ºC or around 23ºF for those of you down south.


Thanks. It's been raining for two days, but it's 70 F. Every time I see a commercial which suggests I turn the thermostat down (they run in Florida for whatever reason) I'm thinking "but the AC will kick on."

85 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:33:22am

So, would this be the official "dead thread," or would the Thursday Night Beach below? This thread technically was posted today...

86 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:36:07am

#75 Flip Flop

Wow, a fellow Fredericksburg area lizard. Howdy neighbor.

87 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:36:08am

#81 atlas

...no word on the motive...

Only an MSM idiot would put that into a report on an incident of this nature.

"Oh, we can't assume that just because the attacker was Palistinian and the victim was an Israeli soldier that the motive was hatred for Jews!"

*spit*

88 Stop Hillary  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:36:46am

He wouldn't be spouting off like this if he didn't already have the bomb. This is playing out just like North Korea. Lil' Kim behaved the same way prior to announcing he had his. The game now is to see if they can get Iran to surrender it before announcing they have it. Once they announce it, positions become fixed.

89 jetziger  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:37:05am

Lots of bravado on this site, but one thing we must all ask ourselves is - are we prepared for a long war with Islam? Are we geared up for the front line ourselves? Are we able to sacrifice, kill, suffer, and so forth? At some point it is not just going to be our soldiers (may The LORD bless and protect them) out in faraway Iraq, but we ourselves in our own cities, possibly drafted into battle on some distant field...

It may seem far-fetched, but the seeds are sown and we all need to PREPARE.

90 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:37:20am

323 BEAGLE "...the U.S. has sworn off the nuclear bunker buster..." When did we do that and why? Did we really rule out the use of Nuke bunker busters in all situations?

BTW was the (creak) the sound of your bones moving on this freezing, snowing pretty heavily morning here in NYC, at least, or the sound of your rocking chair as it moved! LOL!

91 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:37:39am

#86 semper gumbi

Holy crap! Another lizardoid in the Frednecksburg area!

How are you this fine, icy morning?

92 jetziger  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:38:32am

What's been happening in Israel since 2000 will happen all over the West...I believe Israel is on the verge of another 1973-style existential "hot" war.

93 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:40:02am

#89 Jetziger,

I think many on this site are prepared for that war. Unfortunately, too many of the American public beleive the defeatacrats and think that, if we appeal to their feelings, all will be okay.

94 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:42:26am

#76 Luigi

I lost patience with Iran in 1979. I've been running a patience deficit ever since.

95 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:45:12am

Visibility under 0.25 miles in heavy snow at Boston.

NORTHEAST SNOW UPDATE

Long Island briefly experienced freezing rain, maybe enough to cancel school at St. Martin of Tours in Amityville, but I doubt it.

As mentioned above, rain/snow line now inside New York City.

latest 6Z NAM model 12km grids suggests rain-snow line probably winds up in the Bronx and maybe Northern Manhattan, and also bisects Suffolk and Norfolk counties of Massachusetts.

Where is stays all snow, a foot or more. The Cape is going to rain now, still heavy snow at Plymouth.

Good news for Houston area citrus and banana plant afficionados. Thick cloud cover means temps in Houston dropped to about freezing, but no lower.

I love the look of the big, lush banana plants so popular in Houston, but they appear dead after our almost annual freezes. I know they come back better than ever the following March, but that 2 or 3 months of hibernation, looking dead, is the main reason I haven't planted any. But they look positively tropical in the summer, and everybody likes the little bananas.

96 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:45:45am

Beagle

I'm thinking "but the AC will kick on."

LOL!

97 Anna  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:46:28am

Oh this is rich.

Those who have many nuclear weapons and have used them in the past century against defenceless people

The Japanese as defenseless people. Rape of Nanking. Pearl Harbour. The reprisals against Chinese civilians after Doolittle Raid. Unit 731. Baatan Death March. Using military POWs, as 'protected' by the Geneva Conventions, as slave labour.

He is truly a mad mad mullah swimming in moral equivalency so he too can clutch to his hard heart the atomic bomb.

98 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:46:34am

#90 realwest

When did we do that and why? Did we really rule out the use of Nuke bunker busters in all situations?


The why is political and related to a misunderstanding of nuclear proliferation. In another article I read some scientists saying the fallout would be just as great and conventional could do the job. Some people in the DoD disagree (see link).

The when is almost two weeks ago.

99 foreign devil  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:46:36am

#89 jetzinger:

So far I've spent four years sitting here typing, first on CNN forums, then Peoples Forum, Delphi Forums with the Washington Post in 2000 and finally four years here on LGF telling anyone who'd listen there is a worldwide war coming (now here) and hoping and praying someone would listen. I found others like me in 2001 here and together our voices became loud enough that the world listened. We don't have a choice. The war has been thrust upon us. We've had to scramble to play catch-up but now I think the West is beginning to come around. Angela Merkel 'gets it' and so we won't have to fight Schroeder and Chirac in future. Both have been destroyed since their last attempt to sabotage Bush and the US. Since then they've been given a "non!" to the EU Constitution, Schroeder's lost his job and Chirac has lost France. New Europe is solidly on the side of the West! They see the danger.

Beyond that, what would you have us do?

100 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:47:24am

#91 Flip flop,

I'm doing well this fine morning. Waiting for the sun to come out. Glad it's my day off so I don't have to make the commute north. Despite what Fox5 says, the roads look crappy to me. Of course, we haven't seen any plows in the 'hood, and probably won't for several hours.

I see from your blog you live on the Spotsy side. we live on the Stafford side, just North of the Chatham bridge.

I knew there were fellow Northern Virginia lizards, but you are the first I've found from Frednecksburg.

101 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:48:38am

"Almost" or more than two weeks ago. What year is it anyway? (creak)

102 razorbacker  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:49:43am

88 Stop Hillary

#88 Stop Hillary
He wouldn't be spouting off like this if he didn't already have the bomb. This is playing out just like North Korea. Lil' Kim behaved the same way prior to announcing he had his. The game now is to see if they can get Iran to surrender it before announcing they have it. Once they announce it, positions become fixed.

I'm not so terribly sure that you can assign rational type modes of thinking to this individual. He seems to be motivated by "what he wishes to be" more than "what is". I see him as perfectly capable of acting in such a manner that ensures the total destruction of Iran, just as Hitler carried Germany to destruction in WWII.

I hope that I'm wrong. I fear that I'm right.

103 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:49:46am

Let's just bomb these mother f*ckers and get it over with.

104 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:49:52am

#39 AtlasShrugged - NOt knowing his location hinders things a little, but perhaps there is some way for him to smuggle himself across the Iran/Iraq border and then surrendet to US Troops?
Other than that, not knowing anything about him or where he's located, I have no ideas as to how to get him out of Iran. Sorry. I wish him the best of luck - if you like and respect him, he must be a very good man.

105 Ackomanyuki  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:51:26am

#67 Cornholio

You can't spell "Jihad Madman" without the letters "Ahmadinejad"
106 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:51:44am

#89 jetziger

Lots of bravado on this site, but one thing we must all ask ourselves is - are we prepared for a long war with Islam? Are we geared up for the front line ourselves? Are we able to sacrifice, kill, suffer, and so forth?


Not really. I'm on my second cup of coffee. Relax, it's not civilian D-Day. If any jihadi is stupid enough to come to my house, I promise to make enough war noises to generate 20 911 calls in two minutes.

107 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:52:07am

Hmm - lots on NVA lizards about this AM Just for you (and for Ed), the Goddess of Periodicals reports Winchester (lower Shenandoah valley) got 3" of snow along with enough sleet to make a real mess.

BTW, I remember when they built Reston. It was WAAAY out in the country.

108 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:56:49am

#100 semper gumbi

I spent four years making the commute up north. I don't miss it one bit.

I work from home now when I'm not traveling on business, so the weather doesn't bother me like it used to.

I didn't see your push pin on frappr.com before. But it looks like there are a couple more lizards over in King George county.

109 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 3:59:21am

Narthern Baltimore is clear with bright sunshine. 33 degrees and the road snow is fading fast.


Just bad enough to make me say "Nope, not driving in that" at 0430 this morning.

111 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:01:26am

#107 mike c.

Interesting thing about Reston...the entire town is basically a planned sub-division. It was developed by a guy named Roger E. Smith. I suspect (don't know for sure), that the name of the community came from his initials.

112 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:01:54am

#85 christheprofessor -LOL! See my # 33 above.

113 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:03:27am

flipflop

that the name of the community came from his initials.

Yup. That's exactly right.

:)

114 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:04:31am

G'day from Down Under on a warm Sydney night

#57 Jewels etc

Wonderful news! I hope you adjust to working when the sun is shining and most important of all - don't forget the recipes! :-)

115 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:05:05am

#113 miss trixie

heheh...some ego, huh?

116 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:06:23am

#112 realwest

Heh. I saw this thread when I got up about 8 and thought, "Damn! Charles is up awfully early this morning!"

117 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:06:31am

#114 aussiemagpie

Good morning!

How I envy your summer weather!

118 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:07:49am

# 111 flipflop

Oh, it was the first pre-planned community in the US, IIRC. It was a very big deal indeed. Of course, it was out in the middle of nowhere. Back then, the biggest attraction at Baily's Crossroads was the pony ride ring on the SE corner. Times change.

119 rayparish  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:09:43am

#106 Beagle

Sorry, but I tend to agree with jetziger. I'm not digging a foxhole in my front yard yet, but I feel a certain anxiety every morning I pack my daughter off to school. The children of Beslan were massacred for their nation's rightful refusal to back down in the face of Islamist aggression and expansionism. The US has joined the right side in that fight, and barring any electoral catastrophies it will remain there for some time. I believe the home front will inevitably heat up as time goes on.

120 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:12:31am

#119 rayparish

but I feel a certain anxiety


I'm familiar with the feeling going back quite a few years now. It all started when I realized my medieval history training was actually going to pay off in the 'modern' world.

It's called "getting it." When it happens, anxiety is the natural reaction. You get used to the "combat any moment" feeling, or you don't.

121 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:15:42am
122 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:16:10am

G'morning dead-threaders.

Charles tossed us a curveball with this thread.

BTW today's wakeup tune is on the other dead thread.

123 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:16:16am

#121 AI

Mornin'!

124 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:16:34am

#117 flipflop

Hi - yes it is lovely but when we were in the US last year - driving from Toronto to New York via Washington it was hot! And the humidity in Washington was like tropical Queensland! Such extremes of weather - we only have two seasons in Sydney - hot and humid, and cool to warm and not so humid. The only time I wear a coat is to the footy as it does get cool at night in winter

125 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:17:19am

Perhaps this thread is actually dead, but on life-support...

126 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:18:18am

#124 aussiemagpie

"to the footy?"

Translation, pls...

127 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:19:09am

#108 Flip Flop

Ahh, the drive. I've been doing it since 2000. It continues to amaze me how much worse it gets every year. I had planned to retire this year but something came up and I can't retire until next year. On the bright side, it's another 2 1/2 percent. People ask me what I'm going to do when I retire and I tell them I that I don't know, other than I'm not making the commute north. The real unfortunate thing is that I have some prospects with Booz Allen, unfortunately, they're out of there Arlington office, not the Stafford office.

Oops, gotta go. Wife has to go to work and her car door is froze shut. It's been a pleasure chatting with you.

128 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:20:18am

#126 ctp

I believe footy=footba...er...soccer.

129 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:21:35am

aussie!

♪♪Good morning!♪♪

This one's for you! :D

While attending a marriage seminar on communication, Wally and his wife Carolyn listened to the instructor declare, "It is essential that husbands and wives know the things that are important to each other."

He addressed the men, "Can you describe your wife's favorite flower?" Wally leaned over, touched Carolyn's arm gently and whispered, "Robin Hood, All-Purpose, isn't it?"

And thus began Wally's life of celibacy.

130 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:21:38am

#127 semper gumbi

Drive careful!

131 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:21:44am
132 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:21:58am

Morning, AI.

133 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:23:24am
134 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:23:40am

#124 aussiemagpie

I relish hot, humid weather! It makes my swimming pool almost worth the money I spent having it built.

135 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:24:41am

# 131 AI

Five cents says it's Aussie Rules Football.

136 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:25:18am

#127 semper gumbi

Pour warm rubbing alky diluted 50% with warm water.

It will dissolve the existing ice and prevent refreeze.

In future spray the door seals with WD-40 or non stick cooking spray,wipe lightly with dry cloth.

The thin layer of oil will keep ice from sticking to the door seals.

Tips from a veteran of ice storms.

137 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:27:04am

#122 Totallysirius

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

138 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:27:05am
139 Semper Gumbi  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:27:13am

Back, door crisis at 127 fixed.

Aussie, My daughter has an opportunity to visit Australia for three weeks next Summer (ours). The trip starts in Sydney and then goes to the North coast. What is the weather in Sydney like around late June, early July?

Oh yeah, I really love your crook jokes.

140 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:27:38am

#135 Mike

I love Aussie rules football

Now that's a man's sport.

141 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:29:23am

#137 aussie

Thank you

Sorry I can't count high enough to tell you my real age.

:-)

142 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:29:27am

#126 christheprofessor

To the Rugby league match or occasionally to the Rugby match, or sometimes to the Aussie Rules match - never to the SOCCER! (ugh)

143 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:29:35am

#140 TS

Yes, it is a man's sport. As is hockey -- any game where the players are equipped with sticks and blades is a man's sport.

144 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:29:56am

# 138 AI

Old expression, meaning it' a sure thing.

145 alwyr  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:30:10am

Sean II #59...A bicycle bomb! Can you get any "higher tech" than that ? I've got it! How about...exploding sneakers ?

146 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:31:18am

flipflop

I relish hot, humid weather!

You and me both. It seems that every winter that passes is more colder than the previous one and I'm getting thin skin.

I have italian mediterranean blood and it needs warming in the winter, dagnabit.

147 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:32:39am
148 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:33:00am

#142 aussiemagpie

Thanks. So it's either rugby or Aussie Rules football...

Not a big soccer fan myself. When I was a kid, everybody played baseball, football, basketball, street hockey, sometimes lacrosse -- now it's soccer. I think it is part of the subjugation internationalization of America (like using periods instead of parentheses and dashes in phone numbers).

149 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:33:03am

Funny - I thought Pro Bass Fishing was a man's sport.

150 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:33:09am

#129 Miss Trixie

Hi and how do you do those musical notes - they're so cute!

LOL! Thanks!

151 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:35:39am

A bad case of Denying Holocaust Denial in the Toronto Globe & Mail. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech in Mecca is covered in this report, yet for some reason the key sentence in which he denies the fact of the holocaust is editted out. I wonder why that is? Maybe the reporter, SALAH NASRAWI, could explain...

152 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:36:37am

#149 Mike

Bass fishing is a man's sport,it uses sharp objects and a stick don't it?

153 m  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:37:01am

re: aussie's #137

TotallySirius!
Happy Birthday!

I did not know, or I would have brought a gift :)

154 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:38:06am

#134 flipflop

Yes cooling off in the pool - or even better at the beach in the surf!

You could always make your pool into an ice rink in winter...

155 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:38:13am

aussie

Press the Alt key then 13.

♥ = Alt 3
♦ = Alt 4
♣ = Alt 5
♠ = Alt 6


:D

156 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:38:36am

#146 Miss Trixie

I have italian mediterranean blood

As do I. My grandfather came from Termini Imerese, which is three towns east of Palermo on the coast of Sicily on this map.

157 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:39:09am
159 mglazer  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:41:17am

For God and Country

The American Legion - [Link: legion.org...]

Show your support!

160 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:41:36am

# 152 TotallySirius

And don't forget a kick-ass big old motor ! Well, awrite !

161 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:41:55am

No explanation necessary but you may regard the seemingly innocent relationship between your Lazy Boy and the Fringed Ottoman in a different light ...

Furniture Pr0n

:P

162 Maine's Michael  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:41:59am
Does Armageddon have a proper time and a reasonable price?

Interesting choice of words, Charles.

Armageddon (Original Hebrew: Meggido) is part of the territory Ademinajihanejidanad would like to see consumed in nuclear fire.

163 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:42:08am
164 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:43:13am

In Massachusetts, Otis ANG reporting mixed rain and snow, while Plymouth is snow, and Hyannis is rain!

165 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:44:04am

Here's a hot tip for holiday travelers. When federal air marshals have fire-arms pointed at you and are telling you to "Get Down! Get Down!" that is not the time to make sudden movements toward your carry-on luggage...

"The officers clearly identified themselves and yelled at him to 'get down, get down.' Instead, he made a move toward the backpack."

Frankly this man's wife is an idiot for letting him fly unmedicated.

166 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:44:13am

#135 Mike C

Hi there - did I read something where you will be in Q8 for months? Or was I seeing things -

and you've last 2 cents - we go to one Aussie rules match - a special match between the Sydney Swans and Essendon, a Melbourne team -

the other matches are Rugby League, but the MOTH is an ex Rugby player so we go to a few of those too - the Super 12 between teams from Oz, NZ and South Africa

167 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:44:21am
168 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:45:56am

Re my last post

"and you've last 2 cents " that was me speaking in an American accent - I mean lost!

169 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:46:30am

Friday Joke time.

A socialist, a capitalist and a communist agreed to meet. The socialist was late.

'Excuse me for being late, I was standing in a queue for sausages.' he said

'And what is a queue?' the capitalist asked.

'And what is a sausage?' the communist asked.

170 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:47:05am

ctp

Great map! My great-grandparents emigrated to Canada from Florence. I was really young then but I clearly remember them.

She was the typical italian madre in the black dress and hair tied back in a bun and a respectable girth, while he was content to garden, drink a little wine and use his cane to scare away the squirrels.

There was a lot of love from them is the most I remember.

171 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:47:53am
172 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:48:19am

A priest, a rabbi, a minister, and a giraffe walk into a bar.

Bartender says, "What is this, some kind of joke?"

173 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:48:49am
174 Stop Hillary  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:48:56am

#148 christheprofessor -- "Not a big soccer fan myself. When I was a kid, everybody played baseball, football, basketball, street hockey, sometimes lacrosse -- now it's soccer. I think it is part of the subjugation internationalization of America (like using periods instead of parentheses and dashes in phone numbers)."

It's simply a great game. What I like about the USA's participation in it is that our national teams play against the best and in places, before opposing fans and under circumstances that no "dream team" pro sports player in any "American" sport would consent to. And our boys are starting to win, win at a game that is barely on the radar screen here. This is beginning to piss off the America-haters abroad with a passion that is white hot. Soccer was the one thing they always thought they could beat the USA at, and that is no longer automatically the case. We made it to the QuarterFinals in 2002, losing to Germany on a controversial goal and were their equal for most of the match. We're gonna win the World Cup some day, in our lifetimes.

You may not like the game as not everyone does, but stand behind our athletes that represent us in it. They are something to be proud of.

175 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:50:07am

#138 American Infidel

Hi there! I love my footy! Especially as the blokes wear shorts and no body armour like your footy players!

Oh dear - it doesn't hurt to look no matter what age you are!

176 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:50:20am

# 166 aussiemagpie

Well, I'm out of here in 5 days (MOL), but I have to come beck a time or two, and that should take me damned near until the end of June. Could be worse - had an e-mail today wanting me to do a project in Nigeria.

And drat, now I owe AI five cents.

177 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:51:04am
178 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:51:42am
179 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:51:50am

#155 Miss Trixie

Thanks!

180 toddhisattva  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:51:59am

#8 TotallySirius

Oh yeah and I'm still trying to figure out why a country sitting on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power plants.

Unlike president-select Chimpy McHitlerburton, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cares about the Earth: Iran needs nuclear power because they don't want to emit greenhouse gases.

181 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:52:04am

#167 AI

He or she said that INTIFADA does not mean UPRISING as the media have made it out to be...


I'd like to get to the bottom of that "filth" post as well. I know "Allahu Akbar" means "Allah is greatest" not "God is great" as we're led to believe. Just like "Islam is peace" actually means "Islam is submission."

182 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:52:10am
183 Ann  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:52:25am
184 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:52:47am

#170 Miss Trixie

My grandmother (whose parents came from somewhere in the southern boot of Italy) was a real sweetheart -- she died about 7 years ago at 96. I can't remember my grandfather, as I was less than a year old when he died. I do remember his brother and sister (Auntie Ida and Uncle Mario), she was sweet though scary (she always pinched my cheeks and marveled over my curly hair), he was a pain in the ass (he cut my hair and smacked me with the hairbrush if I moved)...

185 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:53:19am

#172 CtP

A guy walks into a bar, and says "ouch!"

186 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:53:48am

#171 AI

until "the Palestinian situation changes entirely."


Paging the IDF! The PA won't even think about step one in any of the surrender peace plans.

187 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:54:10am

There was a question on Armenian radio for which there was no answer: If all countries became socialist, where would we buy grain?

===

What's the real ratio between the Pound, the Rouble and the Dollar?

A pound of Roubles is worth a Dollar.

===

'Who's your father?' the teacher asked Vovo.
'Comrade Stalin!'

'And who's your mother?'
'The Soviet native land!'

'And what do you want to become?'
'An orphan!'

188 jcm  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:54:53am

Might I suggest our reply:

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

Video is RealPlayer.

Video of B-2 dropping 80 2000 lb GPS guided bombs.

Note the bomds dropped are dummies no explosive, pay attention toward the end it shows the accuracy, a hole in the bed of truck.

189 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:55:06am

I almost miss the Cold War

190 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:06am
191 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:08am

#174 Stop Hillary

I can go along with that... I should rephrase and say it's not so much that I dislike the game (my nephew plays, I sometimes go to his games), I dislike how it seems to be replacing American games that our kids traditionally played...

192 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:12am

#189 smit

Yeah, it was kind of nice having an enemy who didn't actually want to die.

193 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:18am

#185 flipflop

Ted Kennedy walks OUT of a bar.
(Perhaps the most unrealistic, and therefore most humorous joke yet)

194 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:25am

Ann,

Very funny. Apparently he wanted Chelsea to marry up.

195 bunker buster  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:56:54am
You are telling us we can’t produce nuclear fuel, that we will give it to you.

Then how stupid are we?

"You can't make your own gun, because we think you'll shoot us with it. However, we'll give you your own gun if you promise not to make one of your own."

196 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:58:06am

flipflop

A guy walks into a bar, and says "ouch!"

*groan*

197 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:58:19am
198 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:58:36am

#192 flipflop - Ain't that the truth!

Last one:


Describe communist business:

You steal a box of vodka and then sell it so as to have money to spend on drink.

199 Scotch  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 4:58:40am

#183 Ann

Timing is everything.

/Hope that young man learns

200 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:00:27am

A horse walks into a bar, the bartender says "hey, why the long face?"

201 Mister Ghost[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:00:55am
202 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:01:17am

Sorry if posted earlier

ABCNews ran a poll in Afganistan after 4 years of US involvement.
Some of the results are amazing.

Yet despite these and other deprivations, 77 percent of Afghans say their country is headed in the right direction — compared with 30 percent in the vastly better-off United States. Ninety-one percent prefer the current Afghan government to the Taliban regime, and 87 percent call the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban good for their country. Osama bin Laden, for his part, is as unpopular as the Taliban; nine in 10 view him unfavorably.

Progress fuels these views: Despite the country's continued problems, 85 percent of Afghans say living conditions there are better now than they were under the Taliban. Eighty percent cite improved freedom to express political views. And 75 percent say their security from crime and violence has improved as well. After decades of oppression and war, many Afghans see a better life.

The rest of the results validate everything that the President has said concerning freedom and democracy.

Theref roe it will be downplayed by the MSM

(Rather surprised that ABC released the results)

Read it all here.

And did you notice that they hate Osama's guts?

203 Ann  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:01:28am

#194 JammieWearingFool
#199 Scotch

So many suffer from BDS. This poor guy never heard of President Bush!

204 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:03:02am
205 Stop Hillary  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:03:05am

#177 American Infidel -- ""Women, including non-Muslims, are hereby advised not to go out of home without burqa. Seclusion has been made compulsory for you," said the statement in Bangla language, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters on Friday."

Like I say, "Wear the gear, live in fear."

206 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:03:25am
207 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:03:37am

#204 tfk

you passed your test.

you may now enter the blog.

208 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:04:08am
209 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:04:19am

#139 Semper Gumbi

Hi - Sydney in winter is usually mild - June and July are usually cool to mild with clear skies and not much wind It can get cold but only on occasional days and I reckon the temperature would be around 17 - 22C in these months with the occasional cold day where the temp may not reach above 14 - 15C. The nights can get cold especially in the outer suburbs but closer to the sea it is usually milder. We sometimes get frost but we didn't have any last winter

As all my relatives live in Europe they usually travel here in these months and actually go to the beach because for them it is warm!

Your daughter won't need too many winter clothes like you would wear over there - except if she's travelling south where it is much colder in winter

I hope that she has a wonderful holiday! And you are welcome to email me for information if you'd like - I could direct you to websites etc

210 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:04:26am

#206 tfk

below your username and password is a line for email and URL.

one of the two of those on your screen probably has something in it. if both of those lines are empty, then your name won't be blue.

211 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:05:21am

tfk

RE; the blue
Go into your settings, and clear/delete your e-mail addy.

212 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:05:28am
213 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:05:42am

#202 VIA

All it takes is a Soviet invasion, civil war, land salted with mines, grinding poverty, and a brutal Taliban regime. After all that, it's time to move on from the idiotic jihad.

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:05:55am
215 Dave the.....  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:06:04am

Flip flop...a varition on that joke..

Three blondes walk into a bar...huh, you'd think one of them would have seen it.

216 m  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:06:32am

tfk, take the email out of the box before you post and then post again.

taxfree will also be blue free

217 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:07:04am

#141 Totallysirius

C'mon now - would you need a fire extinguisher handy if you put all the candles on your cake?

218 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:07:50am
219 m  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:08:28am

Damn. That's what I get for not refreshing. Fifty-eleven lizards beat me to the punch.

(seriously, it was 50-11. just ask Susan)

220 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:08:55am
221 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:09:30am

Sounds like tfk has been invaded by Smurfs.

Back to my post on the polls.

Take the time to actually read the results.
They are truely amazing.

I had a link to the actual PDF for the breakdown and the results were more dramatic yet.

[Toddles off to find link]

222 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:09:41am

#215 dave the...

heheh...I like that one!

223 TenRing  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:09:57am

#148 CTP

I think it is part of the subjugation internationalization of America (like using periods instead of parentheses and dashes in phone numbers).

Or maybe because the period key is easier to reach? Trying for the dash I would often get a zero, which changed the number.

That doesn't happen when I miss a period.

(rimshot)

224 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:12:00am

Another variation:

Two guys walk into a bar -- the second one feels really stupid.

225 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:12:02am

*gasp*

It is FRIDAY!

and there's a rumor that it is going to be a happy friday

226 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:12:06am

#217 aussie

Fire extinguisher? Hell no I'd need an airport foam machine.

The real answer to my age is the fourth root of 5306416

227 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:12:58am

Stupid me,
There was a link right in the article

here.

Sorry.

228 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:13:17am

#223 TenRing

I suppose that's possible, also. I like my explanation better, though...

229 flipflop  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:13:31am

#201

WTF?

230 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:14:03am

See, this is why I was rooting (apologies to aussiemagpie) for Ahmadinejad in the last Iranian "elections". The mask is now COMPLETELY off.


#202 VIA:

ABCNews ran a poll in Afganistan after 4 years of US involvement.

Hey, look, noted political scientist Janeane Garofalo has assured us all that Afghanistan "is a disaster". Who are you going to believe, her or all those lying Afghans?

231 RTLM  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:14:18am

How many resolutions have passed on Iran?

Any of this familiar?

Could be a hot Summer.

232 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:14:49am

ooops wrong #

My age is the fourth root of 5308416

233 Smit  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:15:20am

According to the ArabNews CAIR & the ACLU is suing so Muslims can swear on the K'O'R'A'N in court, in N.Carolina - Anyone hear about this?

Debate Brews Over Use of Qur’an in US Court

WASHINGTON, 9 December 2005 — Here in the United States, witnesses taking the stand in a court of law traditionally are asked to swear to tell the truth — by placing their right hand on the Bible.

So when Muslims in Guilford County, North Carolina, tried to donate copies of the Qur’an for courtroom use, Chief District Court Judge Joseph Turner rejected the proposal.

Taking an oath on the Qur’an is not allowed by North Carolina state law, he said, which specifies that witnesses shall place their hands on the “Holy Scriptures,” which he interprets as the Christian Bible...

The Council on American-Islamic Relations and the American Civil Liberties Union challenged the decision by the Guilford County Courts.

234 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:15:56am
235 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:16:02am

#226 TS

You're 50?

236 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:16:58am

#232 TS

You're 48?

237 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:17:18am

#235 ctp

Close

238 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:17:34am

O R

Who are you going to believe, her or all those lying Afghans?

OOPS, you're right.

Forget the poll.
Afganistan is a quagmire.
Stupid little brown people are just too dumb to notice

/Sarc

239 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:00am
240 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:02am

#218 taxfreekiller

Hi and I'm glad you don't want to be blue today! It's much better being happy!

241 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:12am

TS is 48! ;P

*spring chicken*

242 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:12am

#236 ctp

You win the no-prize selected especially for you.

243 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:32am

#232 TotallySirius:

My age is the fourth root of 5308416

Your age is the number 5308416 having sex four times in Australia?

244 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:35am

#230 OR

noted political scientist Janeane Garofalo


She wears smart glasses now. That's worth an honorary degree at least.

245 kayawanee  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:18:49am

#26 hutchrun

Symposium: The Death of France
[Link: frontpagemag...]

Great 4 person panel interview. Very intelligent discussion on the Islamisation of France. Thanks for the link.

Oh, and GOOD MORNING FELLOW LIZARDS!

246 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:19:09am

#232 TS

48?

/thanks to my nokia 6230

247 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:19:25am

Aussie...I see you're up partying early on Saturday!

{Aussiemagpie}

248 Mrs. Beto  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:19:37am

Good morning, and good day to all lizards.

#82 realwest

Curt Anderson, Associated Press found in Yahoo news, wrote the article quoted in #65. My conclusion is that the media would use this situation to hurt the air marshalls. For instance, another article available in Drudge does not mention the wife's profession and other details of importance.

Schade=too bad (what a shame auf Deutsch) meaning:

1. This incident is a tragedy that should have been prevented by those with prior knowledge of the situation. I would be troubled to find that it was in any way a set up for disaster.

2. Anne Buechner works for the Council on Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness.

3. Anne Buechner knew better than to have forced this situation. Anne Buechner is Mrs. Alpizar.

4. From the article I understood that Mr. Alpizar's wife stated that she knew he had not taken his meds before the flight, and that she had the meds in their onboard luggage bag. Instead of simply telling Mr. Alpizar to calm down, she could/should have asked the flight attendant for help (prior to, upon or after boarding), thus notifying the flight crew of her predicament rather than doing the sit and wait routine while Mr. Alpizar's agitation grew. She knew that he would not likely subside without help. (Irrational people under strain do not calm down merely on verbal command.) She was also aware of the ongoing terrorist threat (nothing new). It was her responsiblity to have called the flight attendant. Mrs. Alpizar professionally and personally knew what the ramifications would be beforehand. According to Mr. Anderson's article, she had the meds in her possession prior to boarding and while on board, knew that he had not taken them, and had not made the effort to make him take them even though she made him board the plane against his will.

5. Yes, it is a shame, a real tragedy. Mrs. Alpizar has my condolensces. Yet I feel more for Mr. Alpizar's tragedy since it was HIS life lost, not hers. Further, I would hate to see this situation manipulated by her, her employers' the Council on Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md. (a nonprofit organization focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness), and/or the media to hurt the air marshalls. Mr. Alpizar was having an obvious episode and she knew what could happen. Yet even while he was suffering, she made no precaution to help him or to prevent this tragedy.

6. I had a close person in life with like circumstance. It troubles me that a wife would let things get so out of control when she of all people had so much knowledge at hand. Schade.

249 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:19:52am

#241 eschew

Tell my grey hair that.

Although it may have more to do with raising 5 kids than age.

250 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:21:08am

Damned modern calculators.

I thought that would take longer than 30 seconds.

251 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:21:35am

#226 Totallysirius

Oh dear - R..t?

252 Miss Trixie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:21:49am

A great dane standing in 6 inches of snow says to his pal, a dashund, "My feet are just freezing!"

The dashund replies "Buddy, you think you have problems?"

;p

253 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:22:20am

Happy Birthday, Totally Sirius.

May you have many more and the health to enjoy them.

254 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:22:36am

#226 Totally

Its ok.. you don't have to worry for another 2 years.

255 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:23:23am

#251 aussie

I would like to point out that I wasn't the one who said 'the word'

256 E.T.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:23:25am

Look for the Iranian presidential plane to have technical dificulties on the return flight from Mecca ...
/ maybe not ... but it would be a good opportunity for the IAF

257 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:23:38am

AI

The Arabic meaning of Intifada is "shaking off" not uprising. So part of the other definition is true. The word itself doesn't contain "filth" from what I can tell. It's implied that the shaking off would be something bad.

258 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:24:36am

#248 Mrs Beto

Do you have a link for the shooting article.

See, the VIA household is also based in Towson Maryland, and I think it's time to send a couple e-mails to a few local news stations.

259 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:24:45am


#249 TotallySirius 12/9/2005 07:19AM PST
#241 eschew

Tell my grey hair that.

Although it may have more to do with raising 5 kids than age.


Wow...ya got my respect...We quit at 2 and that has been challenging enough.

260 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:25:09am

#238 TotallySirius:

Sounds like it's time to start handing out the bumper stickers Mark Steyn is selling (scroll down a bit).

They read:


FREE IRAQ. DONE.
FREE AFGHANISTAN. DONE.
How's your Free Tibet campaign going?

261 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:25:23am
262 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:26:36am

#89 jetziger -With all due respect, should it come to our (US or Israel)using nuclear weapons against Iran
(and I SINCERELY hope that it does not), and our winning Afghanistan and closer to winning in Iraq than some people believe, your scenario is a little, well, silly. NO MUSLIM COUNTRY in the world can defeat the US Armed Forces; Russia and China are, to put it mildly, not overjoyed with Islam either, so I assume you mean a long drawn out war with "radical Islam". Not going to happen if Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan all wind up in our win column. That really only leaves Saudia Arabia (lots of money, very tiny military and a civilan populace not likely to go to war overseas for the Royal Family) Egypt, Syria and Indonesia as major sources of Islam fundamentalism or radical Islam. I'm not joking when I say US Armed Forces could take Syria in about a week, Egypt in about 2 weeks and Indonesia we just let sit there.
As for fighting on the home front, LGF has more veterans than most any other blog I can think of (myself included, combat Infantry, Vietnam) and I'd pity the poor radical Islamists who'd DARE try to invade this country.

263 Roger  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:26:43am

#239 American Infidel, yes it says allah was more devious than those willy Christians. Made 'em think Jesus was crucified but according to allah, allah fooled 'em.

264 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:26:57am
Still, an 83 percent favorable rating for the United States, and a 68 percent positive work performance rating, are remarkable — in sharp contrast to negative views of the United States in many other Muslim nations.

Hell, that favorable rating is probably higher than it would be in Britain.

Yet still we lavish money on repressive regimes that hate us (Egypt and the Palestinian Authority come to mind). I would have no problem diverting $2.5 billion in funds and loan guarantees earmarked for the Egypt and the P.A. to Afghanistan.

265 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:28:00am

#260 Occasional Reader 12/9/2005 07:25AM PST
FREE IRAQ. DONE.
FREE AFGHANISTAN. DONE.
How's your Free Tibet campaign going?


ROTFLMAO!.!

266 J.D.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:29:00am

#260 OR
LOL! Too funny!

267 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:29:04am

WHOA. Like, I shouldn't have eaten those mushrooms. What happened to the LGF format?

268 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:29:19am

#181 Beagle

"Allah" is simply the Arabic for "God". The usage predates Islam, and Arab Christians use the word "Allah" in their Bible.

English: God
German: Gott
French: Dieu
Latin: Dei
Arabic: Allah

269 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:29:23am

#114 Aussiemagpie - hello! Please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

270 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:29:46am

Whoops, no, it's back now. Anybody else get that? Or was it just my mushrooms?

271 Roger  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:30:27am
You who imposed medical embargoes on nations that caused the death of countless numbers of people

If so why did you rush in there with islamic medicine. Mohammed provide solutions to all medical problems, right?

272 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:30:35am

Sorry, I meant #238 VIA, not TotallySirius. I still blame the 'shrooms.

273 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:30:43am
English: God
German: Gott
French: Dieu
Latin: Dei
Arabic: Allah

Ladies: CTP

/sorry

274 m  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:30:58am

#260 Occasional Reader

Oh I have to get me one of those.

275 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:31:21am

#233 smit

That's interesting because we already have Korans available in our courts for Muslims

This has been news today (yesterday) about one of those delightful "men" from Pakistan who gang raped some Aussie girls

He has changed his story so many times - firstly it was voices in his head now it's the culture. Because the girls weren't wearing Muslim gear, they were fair game - mongrel bastard

Anyway he swore on the Koran in court...

The culture made me do it!

276 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:31:24am
277 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:31:26am

#261 AI

billionaire Prince al-Walid bin Talal


...looks like a butt-ugly mob hitman with a tablecloth on his head.

278 m  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:32:34am

Good morning kayawanee!

279 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:32:47am

#268 Kenneth

That's not the point. The point is "greatest." I know Allah is Arabic for God. I refuse to make the association for personal reasons.

280 kayawanee  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:33:07am

#268 Kenneth

#181 Beagle - "Allah" is simply the Arabic for "God". The usage predates Islam, and Arab Christians use the word "Allah" in their Bible.

I think he was differentiating between "Great" and "Greatest" as well. "Allahu Ackbar" literally means "Allah is greatest", rather than "Allah is great".

281 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:33:16am

#273 christheprofessor 12/9/2005 07:30AM PST

English: God
German: Gott
French: Dieu
Latin: Dei
Arabic: Allah

Ladies: CTP


E_O: Ann Coulter

282 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:33:27am

Good Morning Lizards and other rational life forms!

# 7

Oh for a time machine so that I could go back in time to off Mohhamed the pedophile prophet.


Dude, bad idea. You could end up stuck in timeless space like these poor bastards.

283 Maine's Michael  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:35:00am

Swearing on the Koran in court?

You mean the same book that says all authorities except Islamic ones are illegitimate?

The same book that counsels muslims to lie and deceive if it gets them where they want to go?

Sounds like a great idea.

284 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:35:00am

#243 Occasional reader

I'm laughing so much I've spilt my Friday Night Drinking Thread wine all over the desk and the keyboard! Very funny indeed!

285 kayawanee  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:35:29am

#278 m

Good morning kayawanee!

And a pleasant, snowy, cold morning to you as well! I'm freezing my boogers off in NJ today.

286 gymnast  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:36:06am

Sounds to me that this is just another Muslim trying to talk his way into Hell and willing to take thousands of other Muslims with him. He should be accommodated.

287 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:38:40am

Occasional Reader,

FREE IRAQ. DONE.
FREE AFGHANISTAN. DONE.
How's your Free Tibet campaign going?

I saw the local chapter of Amnesty International holding a "Stop Genocide - Save Darfur" petition signing and fund raising drive on my university campus.

I was thinking of holding my own fund raising drive: "Stop Genocide - Arm Darfur"

288 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:38:54am

#280 kayawanee

Exactly. It's a subtle, but enormous difference. They claim to be monotheistic, but their "God" is a moral inversion of the Judeo-Christian God.

289 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:41:23am

#247 eschew obfuscation

Hi there from the party here! Actually it's just me and the keyboard cat here - the MOTH is snoring on the couch

But hey this is a party here in cyberland -

290 Dave the.....  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:41:40am

FREE IRAQ. DONE.
FREE AFGHANISTAN. DONE.
How's your Free Tibet campaign going?


I love it. Some spry young capitalist must sell bumper stickers of this. Or maybe T-shirts.

291 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:43:00am

Dave the...

I love it. Some spry young capitalist must sell bumper stickers of this. Or maybe T-shirts.

Why not you & I?

292 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:43:49am

#261 AI

Another reason why I don't watch FNC anymore. I don't watch any TV news except for the local news. Murders, mayhem, and car wrecks take my mind off all the big problems in the world.

293 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:44:15am
294 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:44:37am

#279 Beagle

Ok, so it means greatest, big deal. It is a central issue in Islam that God is the greatest being in the universe. They're very touchy about the word. Once upon a time, I was having lunch in an Indian restaurant and the waiter came to my table to ask,

"How is everything, sir?"

I replied, "Oh it's great, thanks" and the waiter answered,

"Oh no sir, God is Great, the food is merely excellent."

We both had a big laugh over that.

295 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:45:04am

#255 lancekates

Hi and may I compliment you on your exemplary behaviour tonight (but then you've only been here for a nanosecond!)

296 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:45:14am

#289 aussie

The Beasty Boys has something to say about that.

You wake up late for school - man you don’t wanna go
You ask you mom, ’please? ’ - but she still says, ’no!’
You missed two classes - and no homework
But your teacher preaches class like you’re some kind of jerk

(chorus) you gotta fight for your right to party

You pop caught you smoking - and he said, ’no way!’
That hypocrite - smokes two packs a day
Man, living at home is such a drag
Now your mom threw away your best porno mag (bust it!)

(repeat chorus)

Don’t step out of this house if that’s the clothes you’re gonna wear
I’ll kick you out of my home is you don’t cut that hair
Your mom busted in and said, ’what’s that noise? ’
Aw, mom you’re just jealous - it’s the beastie boys!

(repeat chorus twice)

297 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:45:29am
298 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:45:34am
299 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:46:24am

#276 American Infidel 12/9/2005 07:31AM PST
OK Lizardoids, I know some of you do not think WND is reliable, but check this out and if any of you do not have a blocked page (as I do) can you please go to the links and do what it says you can do in order to check it out?!?!?


This works exactly as described!

Pretty wierd...each image of flight 612 responds with differing altitudes when clicked. This shows one of them at a much lower altitude for a while (1500 feet) and then it suddenly climbs to meet the other one at around 7600 feet...One is on top of the other for a while, then they separate and one disappears...the other continues on

300 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:46:32am

#295 aussie

I've been here nearly an hour.


*sniff*

am I that invisible?

*goes and stands in traffic*

YIKES!

*comes back panting*

apparently I am...

301 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:46:48am

# 287 DD

I was thinking of holding my own fund raising drive: "Stop Genocide - Arm Darfur"


The LLL's oppose the right to keep and bear arms because they know that sooner or later those arms will be pointing at them.

302 River Tam  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:47:23am

Well, as much as i hate to say it, it looks like it's time for the Rayra Option.
In the trade we call this scenario Aggressive Deterrent.
I don't see where we have any other options.
:-(

303 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:47:53am

TS-

I've always loved that song. It was the teen anthem before Smells Like Teen Spirit was a twinkle in Cobain's mind.

304 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:49:09am

#166 aussiemagpie - "and you've last 2 cents - we go to one Aussie rules match - a special match between the Sydney Swans and Essendon, a Melbourne team -

the other matches are Rugby League, but the MOTH is an ex Rugby player so we go to a few of those too - the Super 12 between teams from Oz, NZ and South Africa"

What?

Oz, NZ and South Africa I undestand, but he bet's a whole 5 cents and he loses 3? And what the hell's a MOTH (other than an annoying flying bug attracted to light?)?

305 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:49:14am

#294 Kenneth

I'll walk through it one more time. Greatest means greater than another. Again, it's a subtle, but enormous difference. Islam came late in the game for a major world religion. It's mostly recycled Arab paganism, stories about Abraham, bizarro 'science,' lip service to Jesus, military strategy, and obsession with violence / world conquest. Their claims of monotheism hinge on the word if you think about it for a moment.

306 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:49:50am

Aussie-

Perhaps Lance should be Chopped Liver #5... (Now we have a Chopped Liver basket ball team)

307 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:50:48am

#269 realwest

Hi there - hope that you are feeling better today - and I'll check my email!

308 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:50:55am
Does Armageddon have a proper time and a reasonable price?

George cLooney and Stephen GAGhan reveal all in Syriana.

Per tv interview with Gagdad Steve - halfway through his accudrama, the Halibushchimpi conspirators quest for WorlDominanceš dissolves, the plot moves from right to left to expose the "they're no different from us" humanity of the Islamic beast.

309 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:51:25am
310 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:56:07am

#306 W-Lover

y'all are chopped liver...

I'm a guy.. my ego is far more fragile.

I shall be chopped Spleen.

311 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:56:25am

Charles, please delete comments 38, 39, 201...my source didn't advise me of the blackout (obviously it was Ghost town)

Ithought a flashlight would be a good thing

WRONG, in this case sunlight is not the best disinfectant, Please Delete (this too)

312 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:58:45am

#296 Totallysirius

You are a walking music encyclopaedia! Wow! How do you do it? (I'm in awe)

313 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:58:47am
314 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:59:28am

#276 AI

I noticed something appeared then disappeared from the exact same spot a few minutes before the "incursion".

I entered 26Nov 12:45 into the radar replay.

Looks like there was more than one shot.

315 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:00:06am

PIMF obviously it wasntghost(not was)
shit I have to learn how to type already, tired of getting accused of channeling TFK, though I do dig him

316 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:00:06am

Practice shot?

Itchy trigger finger?

317 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:00:46am

Lance-

Only a few of us are Chopped Liver. Everyone else is inbred assholes.

318 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:01:14am

#305 Beagle

You & I are on the same page, theologically. I understood your question to be linguistic only. In reading your follow on post (& others) I see you were discussing the theological issues that flow out of the semantics -a much larger subject.

So please don't think I'm taking issue with you on this, or that I'm defending the Muslim theology. I most certainly do not.

An interesting historical point: At the time of the origin of Islam there were many Christian heretical sects. Early Christian theologists regarded Islam to be yet another one of these cults. This was a logical assumption since Mohammed cribbed a bunch of Christian & Judiac litergy into his Koran. The key difference with other heretical sects was of course, the violent expansionsist military theology of jihad.

319 razorbacker  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:01:32am
Does Armageddon have a proper time and a reasonable price?

Actually, in the religion of my youth (Jehovah's Witness) Armageddon has a time (real soon, get ready, get ready, buy the Watchtower) and a price (the binding of Satan and his army and the casting of them into a pit, along with the distruction of the Anti-Christ and his followers).

Witness' can hardly wait. It means the dawn of heaven on earth.

Gotta go outside (warming up nicely, almost into double digits) and haul in firewood.

320 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:01:48am
321 godfrey  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:02:02am

dubs

Everyone else is inbred assholes.

You called?

322 keepandbear  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:02:35am

317 W-lover

inbreeded

ya fooks needs ta learn ta talk rightly

323 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:02:41am

#317 W-Lover

well, I sure don't want to be imbred.

I suppose I can be chopped liver...

but I'm the more lean cuts of chopped liver...

and I AM an organ donor after all...

as long as they wait for me to die before cutting it out of me.

324 Blue Chip  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:03:17am

Mark Steyn gets it exactly right (again) over at National Review

(BTW: Excellent 50th Anniversary Edition of NR just arrived – WFB should get the Medal of Freedom - if you ask me)

‘We Aren’t the World’
The Democrats have a new theme song

MARK STEYN

“That’s why they like to mock Bush, Cheney, Rummy & Co. as the real terrorists — the ones determined to maintain America in a state of “terror.” Oddly enough, this was how the Left chose to live during the Cold War, when the no-nukes crowd expected Armageddon any minute: Fear of the phenomenon sold a gazillion posters, plays, books, films, and LPs with big scary mushroom clouds on the cover. When nuclear weapons were an elite club of five relatively sane world powers, progressive opinion was convinced the planet was about to go ka-boom and the handful of us who survived would be walking in a nuclear winter wonderland. Now anyone with a few thousand bucks and an unlisted Islamabad number in his Rolodex can get a nuke, and the Left is positively blasé.”

325 E.T.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:03:27am

Re: #276 ... "The unidentified target's altitude does some funny things," observes Glenn Schulze, "from a constant 1,500 feet to suddenly showing 7,500 feet where it remains, which is the same altitude as AA FL 612 at this point in AA FL 612's climb-out."

Is this flight profile more consistent with a air to air missle or surface to air ... I wouldn't expect a missle launched from the ground to fly a level/ constant altidude but rather a more vertical ... any thoughts ?

326 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:04:01am

#319 razor

Haven't the JWs predicted the end of the world a few times now? something about basing it off of the pyramids...

327 redstateredneck  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:04:49am

W-Lover

Only a few of us are Chopped Liver. Everyone else is inbred assholes.


What happened to the skanks?

328 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:05:01am

#300 Lancekates

Well you were as quiet as a little mouse and I didn't hear you! Chopped Liver eh? You must join the Chopped Liver Club!

329 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:06:07am

#312 aussie

Too many nights during the 70's with nothing to do but have fun,get high and listen to music.

Did I mention I was an ex-hippie?

I was...until President Reagan,then I woke up and realized I loved my country and it was time to start contributing.

The music just stuck with me.

330 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:06:20am
331 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:07:10am

#325 E.T.

There is no way a bottle rocket can make it to 1500 feet, let alone cruise at that altitude & then shoot up to 7500 feet. Flares don't do that either.

So we can rule out those to excuses as bullshit.

332 Mike C.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:07:17am

# 304 realwest

Man Of The House

333 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:07:29am

#31 hutchrun:

Interesting story about Pollard and the possible framing for the misdeeds of others. Problem is that Pollard did spy for Israel in violation of US law - and for that the penalties are harsh and unwavering. It doesn't matter how pure his intentions were or that he didn't undermine US national security.

As an aside, I met David Luchins back in 1993. He was the political liason for the Jerusalem Fellowships and arranged our meetings with various Knesset members. Interesting sidebar on his role in the whole Pollard mess - didn't know that angle before.

334 TSGMF USA  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:07:53am

And now a word form the “Great Enabler”……………& #8230;.


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


World 'losing patience with Iran'
The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has said the world is losing patience with Iran over its nuclear programme.
Mohamed ElBaradei, who is in Oslo to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, said outstanding nuclear issues with Iran would be clarified next year.

The US and EU suspect Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons but Tehran says its programme is for civilian energy use.

The IAEA has repeatedly expressed concern about Tehran's activities.

Transparency call

Mr ElBaradei said European negotiators should continue talking to Iran.

"The parties need to sit together, discuss their grievances and reach a solution," he said.

"If we can do that without escalating the problem, all the much better."

The talks, with the UK, France and Germany, were suspended in August after Tehran restarted uranium conversion, a precursor to enrichment. No date has been set for their resumption.

The IAEA head urged Iran to be "as transparent as possible", adding that important pieces of its programme were still missing.

Mr ElBaradei, who shares the award with the IAEA, described it as a recognition of the agency's efforts to make the world a safer place

335 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:08:43am

So I was downstairs making an ass of myself (does not require much effort), and you guys are all up here. I am starting out the day on a good note.

336 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:09:13am

rsrn

What happened to the skanks?

Purina announces new Chopped Skank Liver for your pet.
Available in both easy open cans, and take anywhere pouches.

Doesn't your pet deserve the best?

337 Blue Chip  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:09:18am

#327 r s r n

"What happened to the skanks? "

Hey, I just got here.

It's snowing out ya know. I can only go so fast...

338 zulubaby  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:10:41am
FREE IRAQ. DONE.
FREE AFGHANISTAN. DONE.
How's your Free Tibet campaign going?

That rocks. Pure Steyn brilliance.

339 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:11:43am

#326 LanceKates

Ahmadinejad has declared the main purpose of his gov't is to prepare the way for the return of the Mahdi. He belongs to a secret Iranian society who believe the way to do this is to sow chaos. He has specualted the Mahdi will return within two years.

That's the time, and to paraphrase Winston Churchill, the UN & EU are just haggling over the price.

340 Radian  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:12:11am

Sandia figured a cost per additional kiloton beyond 100. It was absurdly low. Like a few hundred dollars per.

Hopefully these guys know we can turn the lights off at 0436 any day. Conventional or Nuclear.

b2s and f117 drop b61 gravity bombs (or cruise missiles a few miles away from primary tgt) simultaneously. No notice, immediate collapse of power grid, communication, and command and control. Follow up with Trident and MX as needed.

They need to be told flat out that we kill every living thing in their country at the hint of nuclear action by them.

341 tigger2005  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:12:12am

# 89 jetziger

I might have felt slightly bad about having to kill ordinary German soldiers during WW2. I might have felt bad about killing ordinary Russian soldiers. And possibly even Japanese and Koreans and Chinese and Vietnamese troops. But jihadis ... they're such filthy barbarians I can hardly think of them as human beings. Or as animals either, because I LIKE animals. Whenever I see a picture of a jihadi I know that I could remove him from this planet with no hesitation whatsoever. It's scary how much I want to kill these things.

342 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:12:12am

#304 realwest

Hi - 2 cents were subtracted because he was wrong about the soccer (don't like it much but we do support the Socceroos who have made it to the final 32 in the World Cup! Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi OI OI )

And a MOTH is the Man of The House (MTnester and I use this) No not a bug but can be annoying and irritating at times! Especially as the MOTH in residence here is a lefty who is not allowed to speak about politics or he's out the door!

343 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:13:56am

#339 Kenneth

well, I was referring to the Jehovah's Witnesses...

In some studying I did of their belief system (which is a touch unusual), I thought I ran across a few day specific predictions based off of the pyramids in Egypt.

*shrug*

I'd rather not know... if I know the 'dealine' then I would become lazy

344 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:14:08am

Bottle rockets at 7,500 feet? Uh-huh. Right. Was that the report fromt the Federal Bureau of Retarded Investigators?

345 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:15:14am
346 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:15:19am

#306 w-lover

Hi - yes he can be Chopped Liver #5 - the first bloke on the team?

347 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:15:37am

#342 aussie

so you wear the pants in the relationship?

*grin*

good girl.

348 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:16:42am

#339 Kenneth


He belongs to a secret Iranian society who believe the way to do this is to sow chaos

Not so secret, their main HQs are known as "hell", but they mainly work here on the planet Earth (under different labels and uniforms). Their boss is known as "the beast"...

349 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:17:09am
350 Dave the.....  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:18:06am

#341 That is why the Geneva rules don't apply in the WOT.

We are not fighting drafted civilians who are forced to fight for a nation-state lead by a dictator.

We are fighting murders who choose to kill as many civilians as possible to promote their cause.

351 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:18:33am

LaGuardia just changed to rain.


The good news is, the storm is really winding down, so the rain shouldn't wash away all the snow that has fallen.

Radar from Upton, NY


Wait, even better news, LaGuardia just changed back to snow.

352 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:18:38am

Sho nuff: Akbar means greatest
Arabic is always tricky to pin down.

Akbar is the elative form of the adjective kabīr (great, big, important), meaning "greater, greatest, or very great."

At least by implication, the saying is in your face to the pre-existing religions, not merely a declaration of faith.

353 alegrias  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:18:51am

OT, White Flag democrats cut & run from Rummy mtg-- Look who's afraid of big bad The Donald:

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

354 godfrey  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:19:00am

Radian

They need to be told flat out that we kill every living thing in their country at the hint of nuclear action by them.

Hmm. Rafsanjani said "if a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world."

355 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:20:22am

#343 LanceKates

As an aside, what would you do if you knew the last days were here? I'm not trying to be morbid, but it's a good question to ask yourself every once in a while. It helps clear a lot of the bs we pile up in our lives. I bet your answer has something to do with spending as much time as you can with that beautiful baby of yours. (I saw the pic on the LGF map, & she's an angel!)

356 Beagle  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:20:39am

#318 Kenneth

If I seemed upset at you, it has more to do with the visuals I get in my head when I think about the term "Allahu Akbar."

357 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:21:51am
358 tigger2005  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:22:01am

# 354 godfrey

He wishes. I don't think he has a realistic idea of what would happen if every Iranian city were nuked. Ever hear of fallout, Rafsanjani? Radiation sickness? Starvation and disease?

I wonder if the Palestinians realize they'd all be wiped out in a nuclear attack on Israel.

359 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:23:48am

#356 Beagle

Did you guys have a new baby?

OT: Good News...Magen David Adom crest finally accepted by International Red Cross...

360 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:24:23am

Rich really rich

Pro-France textbooks spark demonstrations
Miami Herald Fri, 09 Dec 2005 0:28 AM PST
More than 1,000 people joined a demonstration on this French Caribbean island, demanding that France repeal a law requiring history textbooks there to show the ''positive role'' France played in its former colonies.
361 The Other Les  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:24:56am

I'll stick to "aloha snackbar."

362 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:25:40am

#355 Kenneth

now I'm confused. I'm single. with no children.

unless you're referring to my rifle and handgun from my website...

Last few days on earth?

Hmm...

end of the world...

hmm..

assuming everyone knew, and I no longer had to work, I'd spend time with my family... do some target shooting... make my list of "God... why is..." questions...

363 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:25:46am

#329 Totallysirius

Long hair and tie dyed T-shirts - flowers and funny cigarettes - oh those were the days my friend - what are the words to that!

You have a great memory obviously - I can't remember where I left my car keys

364 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:26:26am

#324

Now those whackos have turned to environmental porn. They can't decide whether the planet is getting warmer or colder but it doesn't matter because it all leads to death and it's of course, all Bush's fault.

365 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:27:42am
366 Radian  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:27:55am

354

Yeah it would cause damage alright.

Damage unprecedented in human history. Any nation witnessing that would not react.

Pakistan would not, knowing that the same thing could happen if they initiated a nuclear attack.

They may be able to absorb an Israeli attack but not an attack from us.

367 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:28:29am

#356 Beagle

No offence taken, friend. We're cool.

#362 LanceKates

No, I'm confused. I must have experienced a neuron misfire.

368 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:29:34am

Ai
That report is like spoiled milk: I don't buy it.

369 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:30:46am

Aussie-

Keep was the first boy on the team at #4.

{redstate}-

You were the first skank to show up this morning. ;)

370 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:31:13am

#347 Lancekates

Yes Lancekates I'm the boss! :-) I'm just oiling the whip now

371 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:31:18am
372 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:33:16am

#371 annelid

Hey!

what's the word?

373 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:33:36am

Whatever happened to the "clove" cigarettes all the trndy kids smoked when I wa sin high school?

They smelled so cool, but I heard they were kind of harsh.

374 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:34:04am

#366 Radian

They may be able to absorb an Israeli attack but not an attack from us.

Iran would not survive a nuclear exchange with Israel. What is the size of the Israeli aresnal? Conservative estimates are around 150 bombs...even if they used only half that number, every major city in Iran & most of the smaller wones would be gone. With no electrical poer, no oil or gas, no distribution system, no communications Iran would be about where they were after the Mongols were finished with them.

375 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:34:39am
376 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:34:50am

#370 aussie

Well.. if you ever need lessons, contact AI.

*grin*

Apparently I was trapped in her basement for a while... and it must have been complete, as I have no memory of such events.

377 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:36:54am

#369 w-lover

Hi - well three girl Chopped Livers should be able to keep two boy Chopped Livers under control!

378 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:38:20am

Dubs:
I'm confused; you've been promoted from chopped liver to skank? That's a good thing?

{Dubs}

379 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:39:16am

WriterMom,

Hello, long time no see. How's the wee one doing?

380 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:39:33am

#363 aussie

Ask and ye shall recieve...

When the city of atlantis stood serene above the sea,
Long time before our time when the world was free,
Those were the days.

Golden cymbals flying on ocarina sounds,
Before wild medusa’s serpents gave birth to hell
Disguised as heaven.

Those were the days, yes they were, those were the days.
Those were their ways, miracles everywhere are they now?
They’re gone.
Those were their ways, yes they were, those were their ways.
Those were the days, yes they were, those were the days.

Tie your painted shoes and dance, blue daylight in your hair,
Overhead a noiseless eagle fans a flame.
Wonder everywhere.

Chorus

:-)

381 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:40:43am
382 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:41:05am
383 TotallySirius  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:41:30am

#373 Ed the weatherman

I smoked them until I found out smoking eugenol(active ingredient in cloves) is harmful when inhaled.

384 Radian  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:42:17am

374

150 bombs average 200kt per about 4.5 megatons. give or take.

Israel has limited retaliatory capability. Ours is absolute.

I do not know if Israel has the capability to kill all 68 million people in Iran.

I know we could in about 30 minutes in a retaliatory strike.

Iran needs to understand we would. There is no balance in nuclear war. One weapon here should equal thousands there (or in any other nation who attacks the us)

I am American and support Israel. I put American interests first. However I see no reason not to enter into a NATO like pact with Israel. This would bring their effective arsenal from 4 - 6 megatons to around 3000 MT.

385 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:43:03am

Ai
I see what you're saying but I personally wouldn't try to look at raw radar data and interpret it. I'd like to hear from people who actually have experience with it (as you said).

386 AtlasShrugged  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:45:31am

Annelid

Israeli-Syrian dispute blocking the deal.

I just love the way they talk, "Israeli Syrian dispute" my ass...
Syria Wants Access to Golan Heights in Exchange for Support
ABC news

387 razorbacker  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:46:42am
LanceKates
#319 razor

Haven't the JWs predicted the end of the world a few times now? something about basing it off of the pyramids...

Nah, pyramids don't factor into it. Complicated process of counting generations and calculating times using the Bible. Problem comes into when and what a "day" is/was.

The day of destruction has come and gone and is still to come. When a date is shown wrong, you just recalculate and go on.

388 aussiemagpie  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:47:19am

Well it really is goodnight from Down Under


Lancekates you're safe here - we don't have basements in Oz! Except in office buildings

Here's my really crook joke for tonight (Saturday morning)

Two Italian men get on a bus in America and begin an animated conversation

"Emma come first. Den I come. Den two asses, day come together. Den I come again. Two asses, day come together again. I come again and pee twice. Den I come once more."

An elderly lady, sitting in front, looked around and angrily said "You filthy foul mouthed swine! In this country, we don't talk about our sex lives in public!"

"YOU coola down lady" said one of the Italians.
"Ima justa teachin' my friend how to spells Mississippi"

Nightynight all and have a great yesterday!

389 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:48:28am

Iran is headed for the abyss...
Really it's the logical conclusion when a society mixes death loving philosophy with Weapons of Mass Destruction. It's why our success in Iraq is so important: if governments don't change, if their way of thinking doesn't change, the whole ME is going to end up a radioactive shitpile by mid century.

390 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:48:37am

#381 annelid

you did a test run with them? or are you referring to the interviews?

391 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:48:39am

{PK}-

I'm no skank. I revel in being Chopped Liver #1.

392 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:49:43am

#368 Peacekeeper 12/9/2005 08:29AM PST
Ai
That report is like spoiled milk: I don't buy it.


AI...what leads you to say that?

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but the two guys investigating the incident seem to have some credentials...just curious.

393 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:50:32am

G'night Haveachat!

394 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:50:57am

#388 aussiemagpie

Hilarious! G'night.

395 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:51:45am

Alright...if it'll make ya'll feel better...I'll come clean

I'm chopped-inbred-asshole-skank-liver...but just for now...

396 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:52:20am

Nite Aussie!

397 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:53:39am

The idea of a "bottle rocket" (if that is what they actually said) is ridiculous on it's face.
Tell me where I, a civillian can buy anything capable of reaching that altitutde?

I am still working on a potato cannon that can hit Bill's house, and that is only three hundred feet or so.

398 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:53:58am
399 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:54:20am

#389 Peacekeeper

And it's why, if a regime that praises the suicide bomber gets nuclear weapons, deterence is useless.

Faster please

400 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:55:30am

It is possible that I have reached the limits of energy available from hair spray...

401 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:58:11am

You know, the Seven Windows (or whatever it was called) jewelry girl was nice. But Victoria's Secret models are a definite improvement. Just makes the LGF page so much more interesting.

402 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:58:27am

BTW Peeps, in case you don't realize it, a can of hair spray has the potential to put your house on the Moon. Not that it could happen, but you can drop a LOT of Idaho potatos into the woods from garage. Dog loves it.
Am I rambling?

Shut up PK.

403 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:58:56am

#400 PK

switch to black powder. Walmart sells it.

404 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 6:59:22am

#398 American Infidel 12/9/2005 08:53AM PST
#392 eschew_obfuscation

AI...what leads you to say that?

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but the two guys investigating the incident seem to have some credentials...just curious.


Peacekeeper said it...I am not able to look at the radar thingies myself, since the new firewalls they have put in here...

Hence I asked for others to look...

I agree with you and PK...I'd like to get some information from a lizzard pilot or radar expert if we have any.

I would also not be surprised to find out that the web site mentioned in the article does not accurately reflect what the control tower or pilots would have seen.

405 Aladin Sane  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:00:19am

402 Peacekeeper

Am I rambling?

Quit sniffing the hair-spray!

;)

406 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:00:40am

#379 Kenneth

I'm actually back in your neck of the woods. The little one is big!

407 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:00:54am

Re: Vicky's Secret advert--

I would also add: Now that's what I call Pajamas Media! hominahominhomina...

408 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:01:29am
409 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:03:29am
410 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:05:24am

Hmmm hair spray.


SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING:

Black powder and, that other favorite of back yard pyromaniacs Acetylene, will kill you deader than snot.
Among other things, both are very easily ignited by static electricity.

411 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:07:12am

OR
You have an underwear ad? All I got is a stupid Verizon ad.

412 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:07:51am

Annelid-

Vending, huh? I'd say something, but I better not bite the hand that's feeding me.

413 scaramouche  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:09:06am

Limousine Liberals

I waited for an open thread; I really did.

414 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:10:09am

#408 American Infidel 12/9/2005 09:01AM PST
#404 eschew_obfuscation

I agree with you and PK...I'd like to get some information from a lizzard pilot or radar expert if we have any.

I would also not be surprised to find out that the web site mentioned in the article does not accurately reflect what the control tower or pilots would have seen.


You mean the radar website?!?

Whose radar website is it?!?
Does it belong to the government?!?
Is radar information available on the net?!?


The radar data displayed in the link from the article is displayed using a product called Airport Monitor from a company called Passur.

[Link: www4.passur.com...]

If you go to their home page, you will find that passur is a company that provides internet solutions for airports. I'm not sure how they would get LAX radar data to feed into their Airport Monitor package, but that appears to be what is used to display the data.

415 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:11:11am

#409 Annelid

Well, if they give you the job... YAY.

if they don't... think of it like I did when I got turned down for a job with the city...

maybe you have too much of a work ethic.

416 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:12:58am

In an effort to finish a bunch of sites that are due today that I got the day before yesterday, I am skipping lunch.

with my sister-in-law.

stinkin' work ethic.

417 Greg  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:13:58am

Timetable to the war...

Iraqi elections over the 15th of December...

Christmas and New Years done by the Jan. 2, 2006

Atomic war in mid-east will start some time after that before the Iranian can complete the Uranium Floride gas separation for a gun type 20K weapon.

Who will strike the first blow we do not know but it is a race against time and time is getting short.

Early 2006 we will roll out of bed one morning and see in real-time a low yield atomic war going before out eyes for a day or two in that region and then Katie bar the doors...

Expect 200 dollar oil and world financial markets toast for awhile.

418 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:14:04am

#411 PK:

You have an underwear ad?

Yep. Right below the Pajamas Media logo. I'm sure it's really there, it's not the mushrooms talking this time.

419 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:14:21am

#413 scaramouche

Hilarious...amazing how much better Maclean's is with Ken Whyte at the helm.

420 keyword  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:17:27am

A seal walks into a club...

421 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:17:42am
422 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:18:55am
423 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:19:51am

#420 keyword

A seal pup walks into a club...

424 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:20:35am

What is this "underwear" you speak of?

425 razorbacker  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:21:15am
The third emergency summit of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) in the Saudi city of Mecca ended with a new road map issued on Thursday.

The decision to fight against ignorance, fanaticism, and terrorism was taken by the leadership of the Muslim world.

A circular firing squad was then formed, and the conference came to an abrupt end.

426 redstateredneck  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:21:22am

PK

BTW Peeps, in case you don't realize it, a can of hair spray has the potential to put your house on the Moon. Not that it could happen, but you can drop a LOT of Idaho potatos into the woods from garage. Dog loves it.


Yay! Potato gun!

427 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:21:50am

"Semper Ubi Sububi"!

428 Mrs. Beto  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:22:21am

#258 Village Idiot's Apprentice

My apologies for not knowing how to do the "link".

I found the article early this morning from the top stories listed in SBC Yahoo! News. It is no longer one of the top story headlines, but by searching with "Towson, Md." within the same SBC Yahoo! News two articles on the topic popped up within the many. The first one by Curt Anderson that I quoted earlier headlines:

Witness: Passenger Agitated Before Shooting
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
Fri Dec 9, 7:07 AM ET

MIAMI - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.

etc.

429 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:24:48am

#426 redstateredneck

A patooka!

430 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:25:44am

#417 Greg

There's no need to use nukes to take out Iran's nuclear program. The US has deep penetrator bunker busters that can do the job.

431 W-lover  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:28:25am

Gotta love them Daisy Cutters.

432 redstateredneck  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:30:42am

Don't look down the barrel when firing the potato gun.
Check with local law authorities to ensure that tuber launching devices are legal in your area.
Always keep potatoes and your spud gun locked securely in separate, approved gun safes.
Play safe. Don't build this without full approval from your Mom or Dad, Spouse, and local supermarket.

433 E.T.  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:31:00am

#430 -- a better option would be to just take out the government ..

434 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:36:52am

Ha! Rush went to dinner with Ann Coulter for her birthday yesterday!

A date?

435 incanus  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:36:58am

#195

I think that's a reference to the offer to help Iran create a light water reactor (as opposed the heavy water reactor(s) they are building). If I understand correctly, you can't create weapons from the material used in a light water reactor.

This option was also offered to North Korea.

436 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:39:23am

248 Mrs. Beto - Thank you for the clarification. I wonder why she didn't insist he take his meds BEFORE they boarded the plane? Or at least give them to him as soon as they got on the plane. Something strange about her and this whole situation. Like you, I feel sorry for him (without his meds he must have been scared, feeling weird being on a plane, SEATBELTS locked in place; must have been fraught with anxiety).
But I also feel really bad for the air marshalls. They did everything they were supposed to, but killing someone, even when it's your duty, indeed OBLIGATION to do so, means one or both (it's not clear to me if one or both fired at the poor man) are going to have to live with that the rest of their lives and that's not an easy thing to do.
Meanwhile, what's with her? You think she just miscalculated his taking the meds on the plane (while strapped into his seat) or something else?

437 One_Shot_One_Kill  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:40:01am
Pretty wierd...each image of flight 612 responds with differing altitudes when clicked. This shows one of them at a much lower altitude for a while (1500 feet) and then it suddenly climbs to meet the other one at around 7600 feet...One is on top of the other for a while, then they separate and one disappears...the other continues on

Actually, if you re-run it on the 40-mile scale, highlight the AA612 flight as it comes off the runway at LAX, and watch the loop through the time the "UFO" disappears, you'll see something different.

The AA612 icon will be red from you highlighting it. The UFO will be green. What disappears at the end is the AA612 icon and the UFO icon assumes AA612's profile.

Also, using the 40-mile scale, long before AA612 arrives in the vicinity, a black-coded target--ID'd as a General Aviation aircraft--is in the same location as where the "UFO" ultimately pops up on radar. The GA target is shown at 1500 feet, squawking a VFR transponder code, then disappears abruptly.

438 SwampWoman  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:42:00am

#417 Greg

Early 2006 we will roll out of bed one morning and see in real-time a low yield atomic war going before out eyes for a day or two in that region and then Katie bar the doors...

Huh. So you're saying that I might as well get some greens planted in the garden, huh?

439 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:43:34am

#434 eschew

I hope not... I'm still holding out for her.

440 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:43:43am

Meanwhile, China's nuclear program may be getting an assist from spies in the US - Chinese spies obtained technical readouts to death star. Or at least a map to the naval facilities at Milton, NY, where nuclear research is ongoing for sub reactors.

441 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:46:40am

435 incanus

Heavy water reactors are used in the production of Plutonium. While the IAEA is dickering with Iran over the issue of Uranium enrichment, the Heavy Water plant is not covered by the NNP treaty, so the IAEA has done nothing about it. Meaning, Iran's plutonium production program is moving along completely unmolested. Nice, eh?

442 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:47:48am

"I got a fever, Baby, and the only prescription is more cow bell."

443 Mrs. Beto  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:49:26am

Village Idiot's Apprentice

Anderson wrote both articles posted in SBC Yahoo! News. Here's a quote from his 2nd posted within this hour:

The National Alliance on Mental Illness called on the Air Marshal Service and other law enforcement agencies to train officers if they don't already in responding to people with severe mental illness.

This is what I knew was coming! And it's only the beginning, I fear.

1. It was not the Air Marshalls' responsibility to ask each passenger if they have a mental disorder in advance.
2. According to the Federal spokesperson, Air Marshalls are taught to shoot to kill, not shoot to mame.
3. The victim's wife had full knowledge and did nothing in advance to prevent this tragedy.

In East Austin, TX last year there was a mentally deranged young adult female with a knife at someone's throat. The police were called in to the scene, told her to drop the knife. She refused to obey, made advances to cut the victim, the police shot and killed the female young adult. The officers were not told on arrival at the scene that the lady was deranged. But since that time, those officers have been dragged through court, dragged through the media as insensitive gun crazy beasts.

444 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:51:34am
445 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:51:41am

#437 One_Shot_One_Kill 12/9/2005 09:40AM PST

Yeah...the GA blip seems to cast some doubt on the reliability of the presentation.

But if the bogey moved close enough to flight 612, I could understand the radar getting confused about which blip was the bogey and which was flight 612.

446 christheprofessor  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:56:14am

#443 Mrs. Beto

Was in the car yesterday (or maybe the day before) and landed on Michael Savage on the radio. He said that any time a law enforcement officer kills an innocent person, they should be turned over to a jury. Now I know that he is certifiable... (though I guess it depends on the meaning of "innocent")

447 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:57:24am

#446 CTP

I agree... I've heard Savage say some VERY Right On things...

but I've also heard him blame Katrina on President Bush.

448 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:58:04am

#183 Ann - ROTFLMAO! btw I cc'd you on an email
just cause you-know-who never looks at his e-mail (he was one of the original addressees; could you please show it to him?
Thanks.

449 Kenneth  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 7:59:10am

#436 realwest

Medication of bipolar disorder is complicated and not always straight forward. The cocktail of different meds & the dosages varies with patients, & it usually varies over time. The regime he was on might have been fine for him on a quiet day at home, but it might not be right for flying (many "normal" people are nervous about flying). Then there is the possibility of hi lying about takeing his meds. The result: an unstable person freaks out on a plane, the Air Marshal makes a split second decision, and it ends in tragedy. It can all happen so fast. I don't "blame" anybody, it's just a crying shame, that's all.

450 One_Shot_One_Kill  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:11:22am
Yeah...the GA blip seems to cast some doubt on the reliability of the presentation.

Perhaps, but it is also possible the GA aircraft terminated radar following with ATC, turned the plane's transponder to standby, then initiated a climb, ultimately coming into the path of AA612.

I haven't flown in that area since my military days back in the late-80s. I don't recall how far offshore control by ATC extends. Plus, even within ATC-governed airspace, there often exists VFR corridors where GA aircraft not operating on an IFR flight plan can pass through legally.

451 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:14:09am
452 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:17:35am
453 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:20:04am

#450 One_Shot_One_Kill 12/9/2005 10:11AM PST

Yeah...the GA blip seems to cast some doubt on the reliability of the presentation.
Perhaps, but it is also possible the GA aircraft terminated radar following with ATC, turned the plane's transponder to standby, then initiated a climb, ultimately coming into the path of AA612.

I haven't flown in that area since my military days back in the late-80s. I don't recall how far offshore control by ATC extends. Plus, even within ATC-governed airspace, there often exists VFR corridors where GA aircraft not operating on an IFR flight plan can pass through legally.

Well, you clearly have more experience than I do...what do you think we can make of this?

454 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:21:13am

#452 American Infidel 12/9/2005 10:17AM PST
#434 eschew_obfuscation

A date?
No, I heard that Rush was dating some cow from CNN...

Yeah...Daryn Kagan I think.

455 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:22:52am

#422 American Infidel - "NEW YORK CITY is the target, New Jersey shall suffer much from the fallout... "

Now Wait just one darn minute here (I live and work in New York City) why NYC? Why not Washington D.C.? Why
not any of the other big cities (and with apologies to Zombie and other LGFer's in the area) Berkley?!

Look what happened the last time NYC was a target - democracy in Afghanistan and (nearly there) democracy in Iraq. All the "big money" places have everything requisite to run the economy backed up in little places all over the place (including the Federal Reserve Bank)? I'd of thought Washington, D.C. myself.
Or maybe some city near our oil refineries like Houston?

456 LanceKates  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:33:49am

#451 Annelid

I am not sure that I"ve heard of them.

but if they didn't hire you, they are dumb.

(I think that's how it works, isn't it?)

on another subject, I had the following scene through my mind:

JarJar: "Ex-squeeze me, but the mostest safest place would be Gungan City."

Qui-Gon takes his lightsaber and cuts off JarJar's head, saving us all from the annoyance of that character

457 realwest  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:46:09am

#359 WriterMom - Does that mean that they'll be a new "crest showing all three, or are they going to keep their separate crossed, crescemts and stars (and if it's a new, combined design, anyone know where I can find a photo of it?)?

458 One_Shot_One_Kill  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 8:49:08am
...what do you think we can make of this?

Hard to say based upon what little information we in the general population are privy to.

The low-altitude GA aircraft that was operating in that very same airspace then disappeared from radar coverage just a minute or so before the incident took place makes me suspicious.

But then, an airline pilot is going to know whether he just experienced a near-miss with another plane, or some unknown object, so...

It's definitely a head-scratcher from my viewpoint.

459 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:01:20am

#444 Song and Dance Man

Long time no see...

#457 realwest

I saw a picture either on Haaretz or Jerusalem Post in English, and it is a red Magen David on a white background, and the border of the badge is red, too. It looks like one of those swimming badges.

460 WriterMom  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:03:43am
461 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:04:24am
462 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:12:46am

Good grief Ai, Nostrildamus?

463 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:15:54am
464 Occasional Reader  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:20:10am
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.

Man, it's uncanny how accurately Nostradamus foresaw Miller Lite.

465 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:47:51am

Sorry, work based distractions.

OR:
HA!


Ai

You hit like a girl.

466 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:49:08am
467 Peacekeeper  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 9:55:08am

You put the grrrl in Girl.

468 DocMartyn  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 12:16:19pm

I suspect that could make a gun type Uranium bomb, but they would have to use a truck or ship to deliver it. I suspect they could have ago at an implosion type device, but they would need to test it first. An implosion device design is very much suck it and see. They would not know if they had a working unit or not. Again, they would have a hrad time making it light enough to stick on a MRBM. Then, they have the problem of testing their MRBM. They would not be out of the woods with a working device, just under a greater military threat, and the knowelege, that any blip on Isreals radar, would mean an immediate counter strike.

469 mattm  Fri, Dec 9, 2005 5:54:30pm

If we hadn't invaded Iraq and if Bush hadn't blown up the twin towers, this wouldn't be a problem.

/moonbat off


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