Does this mean Allah is mad at them?

Ugh. Not again. My condolences to the families.

look forward to this every year.

IIRC, dying in Mecca is the best thing that can happen to a RoPer.

RoP v. Devil: Devil always wins. Nothing could be more symbolic, ironic, or instructive about Islam.

A grim milestone.

I had 375 in the over/under pool. Guess I lost.

Of course allah is mad at them for throwing stones at him

ROPMA

Darwin is a Muslim?

did a soccer match break out?

There is no dodge but allah and mohammed made a profit.

"Madness!"

--Major Warden, The Bridge on the River Kwai

#5 rednaxela

IIRC, dying in Mecca is the best thing that can happen to a RoPer.

Or to anyone else!

Latest novelty item: a burkha with footprints on it. Across the front it reads "I made the Hajj and all I got was this lousy burkha"

Just like a Billy Graham rally. Right?

Really now, I don't think the ghoulish comments are cool or funny.

But I do wonder if the British Security official who went to the Haj to study crowd management learned anything of value. The story here.

#7 JammieWearingFool

I had 375 in the over/under pool. Guess I lost.

I have 10,000 in my pool. I'm still waiting...

With the amount of these kinds of deaths, the honor killings, the killing off of each other, how is that there are ANY muslims left on earth?

This happens every year. Apparently absolutely no one seems concerned about the forseeable death of hundreds attending a religious event.

If this isn't sick, what is? What kind of religious "leaders" blithely ignore a predictible, wholesale, slaughter of their adherents each year?

Simply astounding. More than 345 people killed in the annual ritual. I'm waiting for the annual excuse that the Jooos were behind the slaughter caused by the stampede. Or the inept and corrupt House of Fraud who shouldn't be entrusted with the protection of the holy sites.

This has Rove's fingerprints all over it. I'm sure the NY Times has a crack reporter looking into it as we speak.

I haven't seen a stampede like this since the scene at Best Buy the day after Thanksgiving.

#18, it's sort of like a virus or rats in the sewers.

You know who will try to pin this grim milestone on President Bush (because he's down in the hurricane zone, instead of micromanaging Mecca and telling Prince Bandar what to do).

For someone following the "Religion of Peace" this must be like the annual running of the bulls in Spain (or Andalus as some would call it).

Can 345 people share a Darwin award?

#7 JammieWearingFool

Don't throw in that towel just yet.. allah is still counting.

#18 Crimsonfist

Because they marry several wives apiece who crank out a kid a year.

#19 jjag

What kind of religious "leaders" blithely ignore a predictible, wholesale, slaughter of their adherents each year?

Their "leaders" encourage and deify those who kill themselves and others while doing all sorts of things.

"Thinning the herd" seems to be Allah's commandment.

Well they had to have some training. How else could they prepare to deal with adultresses back home?

JammieWearingFool #7

LOL!

We might have to rethink Pat Robertson...

Islam and death always go hand in hand...

Check out the creator of Dilbert, Scott Adams lastest blog on this...rather humorous if this is such a time for humor...

Mr. Adams has posted a few little caustic blogs against Islam...I get a feeling he is on the good guy's side...

Check it out at the top...

[Link: dilbertblog.typepad.com...]

What's 345 times 72? Dat's a latta virgins!

One can only hope that next year Ken Livingstone and George Galloway get invitations.

As Charles noted, this wasn't the first time that there's been a mass killing due to stampede. Not the first time there's been a brutal haj.

"Thinning the herd" seems to be Allah's commandment.

Every little bit helps.

So, did Johnny Quest's sidekick complete the circuit, or was he Hindu?

My condolences to the one or two pilgrims that weren't Jew-hating, terrorist-sympathizing, Osama-worshipping a-holes.

To the rest of them: enjoy your raisins.

Hey, they love death more than life . Let them have what they want.

Always remember folks,

The Arabian Moon God demands human sacrifice.

Vile feeelthy infidel or pious stone-kisser, it don't matter.

If you think that's bad, you should have seen the death tolls before they removed the steps called "Stick Your Head In The Microwave And Shout At The Jews", "Running Through The Minefield Of Paradise With Scissors", and "Swimming Through The River Of Blood Less Than Half An Hour After Eating Some Really Nice Hummus And Olives."

rednaxela,

Yes, upon further review, I see there are plenty of stampede survivors. I have a really long lunch coming up, so maybe by the time I get back I can cash in.

mich-again: They murder us and celebrate. They kill themselves and we crack ghoulish jokes.

Returning serve.

#25 JOhn B

Amigo even when totally drunk in Pamplona, Western runners of the bulls have more sense than Hajjis in Mecca.

Basque Pamplona wasn't colonized by the moslems as far as I know...so it wasn't part of Al Andalus but I could be wrong.

Dilbert:

I think it’s interesting that when you pray to God for a new bike, it hardly ever materializes in your bedroom within seconds. But when you throw stones at the devil, quite often you get an immediate response. That’s an example of good customer service.

LOL!

#18 and #23

They are simply out to conquer first Europe, and then, the rest of the world by the only Islamic weapon that works for them ... Rampant Breeding.

Is it still martyrdom?

Do they still get the 72 raisins if no Jews are murdered when they die?

What a primitve bunch they are.

As they say in the land of hajj: season's beatings!

#3 mich-again
Do you think that they or their families had any condolences to the families of the WTC? I rather doubt it.

Throwing rocks at the Devil sure is dangerous. Maybe the should take it down a notch, say by throwing little green nerf footballs.

Let's go for the record:
In 1990, there were 1,426 killed.

#39 locutus

Agreed.

What's 1.2 billion - 1 or 2 = ?

These are some lucky 345 people. Dying while performing the Hajj is the 2nd best way to die. You're assurd entry into Heaven, I forget what level, not 7th Heaven, everyone can't die while fighting in Jihad!

This is a tragedy. Plain and simple.

Unfortunately, this will be passed off as the 'will of Allah'.

Last year the "pilgrims" lunatics stoned "Devil" Bush.

Anybody know who they claimed to target with a special zeal this year?

#39 lotucus

I think you only get raisins if you take Jews with you.

It's a grim milestone.

#55 Terp Mole

I hear they are big fans of Israel and George Bush. There was a thread about this a few days ago.

Doesn’t the same thing happen in St. Peter’s Square where tens of thousands of the faithful gather to pray?

Oh, I guess it doesn’t.

Never mind.

//heavy sarcasm

Throwing stones and trampling all over each other = Religion of the highly civilized.

WriterMom

I think you only get raisins if you take Jews with you.

HA HA HA no raisins for you, that's funny as sh%%t

This is a tragedy. Plain and simple.

Actually we're beyond tragedy now. This is a bloody farce.

#60 Frank_Mtl

There is a way better festival, you know the Shiite one where they whack themselves with blades and other sharp implements until they bleed all over each other in praise of one of their late, great bretheren.

#16 Mich

Really now, I don't think the ghoulish comments are cool or funny.

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. But until Islam apologizes (and I'm going to be nice and ONLY ask for apologies for the last 50 years) for the reign of terror and muder of innocents their death cult has flung on humankind, fuck 'em.

Shirley MacLaine trekked the Camino de Santiago (pilgrimmage to St. James' relics)from Lourdes, France to Spain's northwesternmost point in Galicia without losing another life of her multiple ones.

At least 345 people have been killed in a stampede...

Now I see why they don't allow Muslims to drink alcohol.

Can you imagine the carnage if these people were drunk?

WOOO, Cant have a hajj without a stampede.

#54 Matticus Finch

This is a tragedy. Plain and simple.

I disagree. Tragedy implies a lack of human will in bringing it about, some unpredictability. This is a repeated human sacrifice ritual.

ROPers gotta love em. I'm sure the survivors are down , but hay you still got next year

I wonder just how many kafirs have been saved by the premature death of the 345?

#57 Pope Insouciance IV

It's a grim milestone.

Indeed.
Muslims should pull out from Saudi Arabia.

NO blood for black stones !

Where the stampede occurred:

The pillars are located on a large pedestrian bridge, the width of an eight-lane highway over the desert plain of Mina outside the holy city of Mecca. Four ramps lead up the bridge to give pilgrims access to the site, and the stampede occurred at the base of one ramp.

Mina General Hospital, a small facility several hundred yards from the site, was filled with injured, and some victims were sent to hospitals in Mecca and Riyadh, said Ismail Abdul-Zaher, a doctor at the hospital.

Ambulances and police cars streamed into the area, and security forces tried to move pilgrims away from part of the site, though thousands continued with the ritual.

The stampede took place despite Saudi efforts to improve traffic at the site, where all 2.5 million pilgrims participating in the annual hajj move from pillar to pillar to throw their stones, then exit.

Saudi authorities replaced the small round pillars with short walls to allow more people to throw their stones without jostling for position. They also recently widened the bridge, built extra ramps and increased the time pilgrims can carry out the rite — which on the second and final days traditionally takes place from midday until sunset.

So, they're not above modifying and adjusting traditions. Curious that they can modify certain traditions, but not others. Wouldn't any changes be considered apostasy because they're modifying the word of Allah? /just wondering.

rop vs the devil =last years trampling

If it's not funny, then it's certainly ironical.

Days of promoting "death to America", "death to democracy" and "death to capitalism".

Then hundreds of them die.

I'm beginning to think that maybe Mohammed isn't such a bad guy. He's sitting up there with his virgins, trying to send his followers a message.

They just don't get it.

Don't mean to go OT but here's an interview with three former terrorists that I wanted to put into the lizard arena. interview

These (former terrorists) are brave men who deserve to be supported because they show the lies of the terrorist culture. I repeat, CULTURE. And that culture has to be countered, unfortunately, with force (their words)not "understanding."

Without saying how, I will say I was "aware" of the development of the movie "Munich" and it peeved me to see a political thesis being prepared with less intellectual depth than the chorus in a Paul Mcartney song. It was heartening to see people quickly jump on the inanities of that movie.

Inshallah.

345 die during the haji. Inshallah.

Inshallah, Allah wills it.

If god wills it who should interfere in with crowd control etc... it is Allah's will that they died. To save their lives is to interfere with Allah's will.

Inshallah, a very deeply ingrained cultural trait in Islam.

Coming to grips with Inshallah is difficult in western culture. We are self actualized, free agents in the world. We have control over what we do and the resulting consequences (leftists aside).

Inshallah. Allah wills it.

It is Allah's will that I live in poverty with no hope. For me to try to better myself, create opportunity, change my fate is to defy Allah.

It is Allah's will that I die wrapped in an explosive vest. It is Allah's will that you die when I detonate my bomb. it is my fate as decreed by Allah who I am to defy Allah. Allah fate for you to die with me. I have nothing to do with it. It is Allah's will.

Get a handle on Inshallah. I really helps in understanding Arab/Islamic culture. It doesn't excuse it, just provides insight on how hundreds dying annually during the haji is "no big thing," how young men can blow themselves up, how the people of Persia have yet to throw a necktie party for the mullahs.

Inshallah.

Perhaps one of their Grand Ayatollah will re-read the Koran(spit!)and find out they are supposed to have a Hajj every week. That would help.

Islam: Cult of blood and death.

OK, so the idea of laughing at people dying seems sick and twisted and cruel.

But sheesh. They kill THEMSELVES in the name of religion, they kill US in the name of religion...

Am I the only one seeing a very unhealthy pattern developing here?

FROM THE FIRST THREAD:

Hamza added: “We like blood and are addicted to it.

And their annual celebrations show that.

It's the RoP !

Convert or die
OR
CONVERT AND DIE !

I love old-time religion. Give us more.

#63 WriterMom
Yes, and I even have seen pictures of that unbelievable ritual (with some very young kids in assistance too).

Thoughtful libs would bring together a blue-ribbon committee of government "experts" and take a look at the architectural, societal & other flaws that may have led to this unspeakable tragedy.

Then they'd bloviate about how it was mostly minorities (singled out, no doubt!) who were killed in the stampede. Then they could rally the public to show compassion by opening their wallets & purses and give give give to the oppressed/downtrodden. Then the libs could feel good about their high moral standing as they re-design the city, employ more bureaucrats, lecture society about the evils of discrimination, relieve people of their money, and feather their own bank accounts.

I'm pretty certain that I saw the minions of Gorge McChimpybushitlerstein outside Mecca sabatoging the levees!

...er, that should read, "McCartney."

Good God... savages!

An idea:
should we buy tickets for the muslims and help them to go to the haj ?

we should

They did the mash,
They did the monster mash.
The monster mash,
It was a grave yard blast.
They did the mash,
It caught on in a flash.
They did the mash
They did the monster mash!

#83 Tangonine

I'm pretty certain that I saw the minions of Gorge McChimpybushitlerstein outside Mecca sabatoging the levees!

You're the MAN OF THE YEAR !

Losses statistically insignificant and expected.

Spiritually and morally obscene.

cn

#76 about Inshallah

So, basically Allah serves as Islam's grand enabler.

Ugh.

West scaring away people from Islam: Saudi cleric

A top Saudi cleric told Muslim pilgrims marking the climax of Haj on Tuesday that the West was using the global phenomenon of terrorism to scare people away from Islam and discredit legitimate Muslim causes.

Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Sudeis, the state-appointed preacher at the Grand Mosque in Mecca, also called for stability in Iraq and said Islam was innocent of the charge of "terrorism".

"The campaign against Islam has become fierce and Muslims are being described in insulting terms to distort the image of Islam and scare people away from it," he told the 2.5 million pilgrims in a sermon to mark the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha.

/gaze

Ai
Heh!

Next up, an outbreak of bird flu. Remember last year when there was a polio outbreak in Indonesia that probably started with hajjis who brought the disease home? More than 200 polio cases strike Indonesia.

"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home."
--from "Arabian Nights" by Howard Ashman, with music by Alan Menken

If they just franchise those stone pillars they could thin out the crowds. Am I missing something here?

Seriously, folks, what's wrong with these people? Year after year after year. Do they fall into some kind of trance during those walks, or what? I don't get it. Maybe they have a death wish to begin with, since they say that, if you die during the haji, you go straight to heaven.

In 1993 I, along with at least half a million others, saw Pope John Paul II in Denver in 1993. A few people became dehydrated (it was hot and muggy), but no one died as far as I can recall. There were no stampedes. There were no fights. In fact the holy father preached against a "Culture of Death".

It is sad for the families of the dead at this tragedy in Mecca.

#5 rednaxela

I suppose "RoPer" means Religion of Peace? I know that isn't a swipe at President Bush, but some here might word things a little more respectfully concerning Our President. He has repeatedly pointed out that Islam is Peace, and that it has been hijacked by a minority of radicals. The Haj accident is a terrible loss of life, and President Bush will probably send condolences to our friend and ally in the War on Terror, King Abdullah.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Great photos of Our President
[Link: www.muslimsforbush.com...]

"Please to meet you! Hope you catch my name.

#76 jcm--

Inshallah. Churchill wrote a great passage about the fearful fatalism (Inshallah, basically) of Muslims. They don't believe in self-determination, but rather in pre-destination. No work ethic to speak of, among countless other social patholgies.

They seem incapable of creating positive things (a car, a building, a computer, an airplane), but have an almost limitless capacity to destroy. It's the only way they can bring others down to their degraded, barbaric level.

Kind of like the Muslim Mike Tyson in a prizefight he knows he can't win fair & square. He bites off ears, tries to break the arm of his opponent, whines to the referee that he's entitled to preferential treatment. Then goes home & beats his wife to boot.

You troglodytes are just being ethnocentric and bigoted. We all KNOW that hundreds of Christians and Jews are killed every year when celebrating Easter and Passover, respectively.

/Moonbaticus vulgaris (The Common Moonbat)

I cautioned one of our posters, Sura 109, about pushing while in line. I wonder if he will ever show up again?

A newer version of the Mohammed Mosh Pit?

The pajamie heads be slammin'

#100 visitorstay

did you forget your /sarc tag?

Reason #1 why Mecca isn't on my list of potential vacation locations...

#102 firebreather

I forgot about that one, yeah Winnie got it, you get it. It's hard in western culture to wrap our brains around "fearful fatalism."

Churchill:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.…A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities ... but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

[The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-50.]

#107 dubs:

What's reason #2?

#100 visitorstay: I appreciate your support for President Bush, but that meme about "a few extremists hijacking the religion of peace" is PC nonsense. The terrorists and extremists are the ones interpreting the Koran most literally. They are Fundamentalists. I like to think President Bush knows that, and he's just practicing a little reverse taqqiya.

MSNBC's "FactFile" fails to mention the 1,426 killed in 1990.

(Oh! OK, this is only some of the major tragedies related to Islam’s holiest city. - I got it, now: FactFail_©MSNBC,INC.)

#109 Minnesota Ronin

What's reason #2?

The "Muslim only" rule

And how many people have been killed by the fanatics who worship at the altar of global capitalism?

/Barry Birkenstock

It's off my list, too...

Then again, just about any country where I have to cover my head with anything except my favorite Red Sox cap [by choice] is off my list...

#103 templar -

Watch out with that stuff. You could get sued.

/no - I can't believe it either.

#108
Thanks for that quote! Churchill - what a man he was.

LGTA sidewalk!

MNRon-

Reason #2- Sexual Apartheid is a turn off

#91 Terp Mole

That's official taqiyya, used from Saudi Arabia to the University of Southern California. They make a distinction between a Muslim acting according to Islamic teachings and Islam. It's a distinction without much difference, but it's the party line.

Obviously, somebody mistakenly turned left...traffic is a bitch in Mecca.

Hajj exit to the right...

Last night, it crossed my mind, out of the blue - I wondered when the stampede would happen during this year's Hajj. Then I wondered why I thought that, and I recalled the hotel that collapsed last week. So - I am not surprised. Oddly, this was similar what happened to me on 9/11.

Does anyone know what time it happened?

I'm sorry for the senseless loss of life. I'm also sorry that Islam has held onto a pointless ritual that is really stupid and unworkable in the modern world.

#111 LC LaWedgie:

It's in there, but they screwed up the HTML coding - it's mixed in with the 1989 screwup.

1989
Bombs explode near Grand Mosque, killing one pilgrim and wounding 16. Saudi Arabia beheads 16 foreigners found guilty of planting the bombs.
1990 - Stampede in tunnel causes deaths of 1,426 pilgrims, most from Indonesia and Turkey.

I see that once again that Loppyd and I are on the same page.

Extremely poor taste Hajj t-shirt slogan:

I'd walk over YOU to kill the Jews!

(Cf. similar poor taste ca. 1979 T-shirt slogan I'd walk over YOU to see The Who!)

OT, sorry:

The James Wolcott Treatment

He then quotes from one of the comments left on the LFG site: "May he [i.e., me] be kidnapped by 'insurgents' in Iraq then appear on an ugly net broadcast. I wonder, if in the moment before the knife started sawing into his fleshy neck if he might rethink his opinions on the global war on terrorism."

Atlas gets mentioned. Ocicats don't.

#106 tangonine
No. I FULLY support President Bush, as well as our next President, Condi Rice. The President knows what he is doing, not everything is what it seems. We have strategic reasons for supporting allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. President Bush has made that abundantly clear. And I quote him "Islam is Peace". He would not lie, especially not repeatedly. You either stand with Our President, or you don't. I do.

They begin to shout "death to the Jews"(in the koran) and afterwards, they die...

119 Beagle

Along the same lines as "Its not the fall that kills you, its the sudden deceleration at the bottom"

visitorstay is a one-trick Moby. Better to ignore it. It has one poorly-developed opinion. Maybe it's a no-trick Moby.

#127 trumpeldor

Pat Robertson would say thats a sign from God.

Someone yelled "there's a pig loose" and all hell broke out.

# 62 Dirk

yes. It was a tragedy the first time this happened. That it happens again and again, predictably, is a farce. That anybody in his right mind should allow buses and cars in traffic anywhere near such crowds in motion is a farce.

Dubs

That's right sistah!

#118 dubs:

point taken.

Loppyd: Good call on the BoSox hat!

My favorite is navy blue with a white front and a red B.

#126 visitorstay

Islam is peace.

mmmkay.

I understand your unwavering support for our president, and that's great. Our president, however, is not the messiah. Each and every word uttered from his lips is not scripture, my friend.

If your sole evidence that "Islam is peace" is the GWB said it's so, then you have more problems than I could ever hope to solve so I'll just say good luck to you and let you go on your way.

#129 Beagle: Are you familiar with visitorstay's earlier posts? Am I better off with a good long GAZE?

Visitorstay, islam is bad. Don't do islam, m'kay?

This is the RoP's "running of the bulls" and those participating know the risks. I imagine they accept them gladly, since dying on Hajj no doubt gains one special consideration from Allah. To me, it's just backward.

#32 Albertanator

Mr. Adams has posted a few little caustic blogs against Islam...I get a feeling he is on the good guy's side...

I've also got a funny feeling he should keep his home address a secret...

Woohoo the EUbies finally threw in the towel. Appeasement and begging apparently have run their course.

Europeans Say Iran Talks Reach 'Dead End'

Unfortunately it's probably too late. If it's not too late, then expect Iran to throw one more bone to the EU to get the time they need.

#134 Minnesota Ronin

My favorite is navy blue with a white front and a red B.

That is sooo haraam. The only appropriate headwear is Dodger blue with an NY embroidered in Giants orange.

Lopps-

You like that "Sexual Apartheid"? Got it from VDH, so I thought I'd use it.

Didn't realize it'd come in handy so quickly.

#137 doppleganglander

Are you familiar with visitorstay's earlier posts?

They're all the same. "Bush loves Islam. I love Bush." Nothing you say in response will change the pattern.

#108 jcm--

Thank you for the excellent posting containing Churchill's commentary on Islam. Must reading for all LGFers.

Kennedy (JFK, that is, not the fecal Teddy) said to judge a nation or society by its heroes. The heroes of the West are the inventors, scientists, leaders & humanitarians who have so enriched the human condition. The mass murderers, the Hitlers & Stalins, are rightfully remembered as monstrous villains. Islam's 'heroes', on the other hand, are a roll-call of mass murderers (Muhammad, Saladin, Osama, Zarqawi, et al)...

Of course, we can also judge a society by how it treats its women & minorities. But tell that to a Western liberal and he'll laugh with sophisticated, sarcastic, disparaging haughtiness, and heap labels upon you.

#125 bouzouki:

The best explanation I can find for the "LFG" reference, is a sly wink in our direction.

A study of crowd dynamics at the Jamarat Bridge, where this and other stampedes have occurred. More photo overviews of the site.

Sure, people have been killed at rock concerts before (most notably the 100 fatalities in the 2003 "Great White" indoor pyrotechnics fire), but year after year, nothing accidentally (and intentionally!) kills like Islam.

Why is that?

/rhetorical question

Dubs

I like it very much and plan to use it on the next Moonbat that crosses my path...

#143 WWtW:

So long as it's not navy with a white NY, it's all good!

Stonin w/ the Deviiil - Van Halen

...oh, sorry. That's Runnin' w/ the Devil

Did I mention that Islam is an abhorrent, abominable, atrocious, barbaric, barnyard, base, blood-soaked, bloodthirsty, brutal, contemptible, cruel, depraved, despicable, despisable, despiteful, detestable, dirty, disgusting, double-dealing, evil, filthy, foul, gross, hateful, horrid, hot-headed, immoral, infamous, inhuman, jew-hating, knavish, lewd, loathsome, lousy, low, lying, malevolent, malicious, malignant, mean, misogynistic, murderous, nauseating, nefarious, obnoxious, obscene, odious, offensive, poisonous, primitive, profane, querulous, repellent, repressive, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sadistic, savage, scatological, scurrilous, shabby, sickening, spiteful, squalid, tyrannical, ugly, uncivilized, venomous, vicious, vile, vulgar, wicked, and wretched Death Cult?

#122 lawhawk -
(blush) Thanks.

Since the stone throwing seems of such importance to the RoP, here is a suggestion : The RoPers' head honcho (say the Oil Tick Supreme), would himself throw one stone on behalf of the world's RoPers, and forbid the hordes from doing it. It sure would save lives.

152 misfit138

Your looking for

Rainy Day Women 12 and 35
Bob Dylan

Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home.
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

134 MR

Hi {MR}!

Loppyd: Good call on the BoSox hat!

My favorite is green with a red B and a shamrock on the side. I was wearing it when they won the World Series. :)

In spite of Islam's errors, I hope they died in God's friendship and find repose of soul in the next world.

No longer will the world cry "Fifteen out of nineteen!" at the mention of Saudi Arabia!

It is time to end that libel and instead shout "Three hundred and forty five out of two million!"

You're getting better, Saudi Arabia. There's still room for improvement, but keep up the good work!

#153 ibrodsky,

LOL. Did you mention xenophobic?

Looks like the Devil throws bigger stones and has a better aim.

Predictable as a car swarm, it's the deadly hajjpodge.

Win-Win situation. Sadly though, on too-small-a scale.

#157 Lopps

Hi! {Lopps}

The St. Patrick's Day spring training hat!

Been meaning to get one of those!

Part of the problem with this particular ritual is simply that they're getting more people into a confined space than is physically possible. The Saudis keep trying to figure out new ways to improve the area - and one suggestion is to have multiple levels so that people aren't compelled to stampede, but that system failed this year.

# 3 mich-again

Why condolences to the families? If they cared what happened to their "loved ones" they would have told them not to go. They knew what could happen.

160 goodbye_natalie

LOL. Did you mention xenophobic?

No, I do believe I missed that one. I will add it to the distinguished list, thanks.

I have sympathy for those of the 345 muslims who didn't chant "death to America." To the ones who did chant "death to America:" YOU DIED TO QUICKLY.

153 ibrodsky- I get the feeling you don't much like Islam.

#32 Albertanator

Scott Adams, from the link:

I think it’s interesting that when you pray to God for a new bike, it hardly ever materializes in your bedroom within seconds. But when you throw stones at the devil, quite often you get an immediate response.

There he goes making perfectly valid yet politically incorrect observations.

#14 bonz
"Latest novelty item"

That's funny.
C.

Is "Hajj" Arabic for "Grim Milestone"?

165 MR

The St. Patrick's Day spring training hat!

That be the one! Lots of great memories flood back when I take it off its peg of honor in my closet.

I also have the beer caps from the beer I was drinking when we beat the Yankees in game 7 of the ALCS (Heineken)and the beer I was drinking when we won the series (Miller Lite).

Do people bring children to the Hajj? I'd feel bad if any children were trampled to death.

#145 Beagle: Thanks, I won't waste my time.

All out serious question here...

What the hell is that black stone all about?

Those Muslims sure have strong faith. I know if my church kept having yearly conferences in Wyoming or Montana and people kept getting trampled to death as we worshiped some rock, or were throwing rocks...I might become agnostic

#174 Lopps:

That's awesome!

my other two are the all white with red B, and Carolina blue with navy blue sox on the front and a small B on the back.

sure the blue one's not the norm, but I wear a lot of blue!

143 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Amen man... Orange and blue forever!

tfc3rid

All out serious question here...

What the hell is that black stone all about?

I think it was supposed to be part of a meterorite that fell to earth that the Arabs have worshipped for thousands of years. Islam co-opted it or something like that.

Goes to show you, when a meterorite fell into Kentucky back in 1825 or so, Jim Bowie made a knife out of it. When a meteroite fell into the desert in Saudi Arabia, the Muslims made a religion out of it.

Illustrates the basic differences in the cultures.

Let's see... Saudi government officials & clerics angrily lectured on the evils of capitalism to the the Hajj crowd not more than 2 days ago.

Yet, the entire Hajj experience is a profit-making exercise in greed & crass commercialism, with the Saudi government raking in billions annually by bilking religious "pilgrims" (most of them poor) of their money. Visa & consular fees, airfare, hotel fees, food, bribe money, taxi fare, and on and on it goes. And price-gouging is rampant during the Hajj. It literally costs at least $10,000 per individual to perform this "sacred" and "required" pilrimmage.

Ah, the sacred & the profane. But then the rules never apply to Muslims.

181 jehu

Interesting...

It's Allah's spacecraft!

179 MR

I love that Carolina blue one...saw it on someone awhile back.

I have more than I can count. Some girls have a thing for shoes...mine is for caps AND shoes. :)

I forget - are you in MA or used to be? Help!

The Black Stone's Origin

There are also various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

Secular historians point to the history of stone worship, and especially meteorite worship, in pre-Islamic Arabia, and say that it is likely that the Stone is a meteorite. There is no way to test this hypothesis without removing and examining the Stone, which would not be permitted by its guardians.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism.

The Ka'bah at Mecca describes the shape of the black stone structure on a marble base which stands in the centre court of the Great Mosque, Masjidul Haram, at the centre of Mecca. It stands about 50 feet high by about 35 feet wide. Set into the eastern corner is the sacred stone. This Ka'ba is a cubed shaped temple rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael. Reverently draped in black cloth throughout the year, it beckons to every Muslim of the world to come to its sacred ground.

#166 lawhawk 1/12/2006 09:46AM PST
Part of the problem with this particular ritual is simply that they're getting more people into a confined space than is physically possible.

Not to mention, the smell must be horrendous...

Explanation of the Haji, Kabbah, etc...

[Link: www.sacredsites.com...]

Is it just me or do people in the third world die in mass amounts during natural disasters, accidents, stampedes, etc.

I know that people died because of festive seating, but not in third world numbers.

Remember the people who jumped off a bridge in mass amounts?

I think that their religion embraces death so much, that they just let go during horrible moments. They don't see a reason to survive or at least try not to escalate stampedes.

Is it just me that thinks this?

Just Google "The Black Stone"

Is this a new record?

Car swarm without the car.

#162 Dar ul Harb 1/12/2006 09:45AM PST
Predictable as a car swarm, it's the deadly hajjpodge.

LOL!

#166

Part of the problem with this particular ritual is simply that they're getting more people into a confined space than is physically possible. The Saudis keep trying to figure out new ways to improve the area - and one suggestion is to have multiple levels so that people aren't compelled to stampede, but that system failed this year.

The biggest problem though is with islam itself. They still have a 7th century mindset. If they had any sense the Saudis would ban this nonsense and put an end to the slaughter. As we keep on saying, these schmucks need a reformation to bring some common sense. However if that happened it would no longer be a death cult and where's the fun in that?

Do people bring children to the Hajj? I'd feel bad if any children were trampled to death.

Why? They'd be martyrs and allowed to instantly enter paradise?

That way you're 4-year old can spend eternity indulging his carnal appetites with 72 females and 28 pre-pubescent males.

And we all know 4-year olds have voracious carnal appetities.

/snarkasm

#184 Lopps:

Born and raised in Minneapolis.

Spent about a month in Boston couple years ago.

Good times, can't wait to go back someday.

(Came home with a rather funny accent though)

They should rename the place "Dumbasscus"...oops it's taken.

Herd mentality = propensity to stampede.

Benny Goodman played that number.

Stompin' At The Hajj
Hajj, the home of sweet romance,
Hajj, it wins you with a glance,
Hajj, gives happy feet a chance to dance.
Your form just like a clinging vine,
Your lips so warm and sweet as wine,
Your cheek so soft and close to mine, divine.
How my heart is singing, while the herd is swing ing,
Never tired of romping, and stomping on you at the Hajj.
What joy! A perfect holy day,
Hajj, let me stomp a way on you.

#177 3rid

The black stone, according to Islam:

[Link: www.crystalinks.com...]

According to the rest of us: it's a meteorite.

Stupid @$$ religion.

#155 Franky

Sshhh!

#182 Firebreather: It's really not all that different from the many pilgrimage sites that were popular with medieval Christians, such as Santiago de Campostela in Spain. In recent times, people have flocked to see the Virgin Mary in Medjugorje, Bosnia, or right in my own backyard (Conyers, GA). Claiming an apparition of the Virgin Mary is a great way to drum up tourism and help the local economy. OTOH, visiting Conyers is not required by the Pope (and Mary seems to have moved on). And no one has ever been trampled to death on a Christian pilgrimage, AFAIK.

Ha Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha

I just had a great idea. Let's nuke Mecca, and claim we're doing it for humanitarian reasons to prevent further loss of Muslim lives.

/channeling bigel

Interesting... don't you think?

Katrina takes lives and the whole world is outraged at Bush's stupidity and mismanagement.

A few hundred people die in SA, and erm.. let me see...uhm.. haven't noticed any criticism of the Saudis.

Does anyone think the BBC or ABC will be running news stories on the stupidity of the Saudi rullers?

Anyone?

Ever since I was a young pup
I've run and played them all
From car swarms to Pamplona
I must have seen them all
But I ain't seen nothing like this sh*t
How many of them got to fall?
Those crazy f*kin' Muslims
Sure play a mean pinball

They march around a statue
Ain't nothing 'bout it clean
Groping for some tittie
Treat their women like Holstens
They worship superstition
Their buildings start to fall
But those crazy f*kin' Muslims
They sure play a mean pinball

They're the pinball wizards
got their panties in a twist
Their pinball wizards
Those Jews, they must be dissed

Why do you think they do it?
(I don't know)
What makes them so dumb?

They ain't got no attractions
Still getting blown to hell
Mahmoud saw lights a flashin'
That's napalm there you smell
Anyone want to see a replay
Will let Mahmoud make the call
But those crazy f*kin' Muslims
Sure play a mean pinball

I thought I'd seen it all
From the valley of kings
Bottom of the pile
must be an awfully painful thing

At Satan's usual table
He still does one thing best
Mo's disciples lead him in
And he just does the rest
He flips them all the finger
Like dominoes they all start to fall
Those crazy f*kin' Muslims
Sure play a mean pinball

Animals.

taxfree on horseback, I like it!

Pamplona has their bulls and Mecca has their pilgrims.

goodbye_natalie 207

Got me smilling on that one. Good work.

Now you're talking, that's what you call a proper Haj. Not the same without a trampling. Do you think they'll make a movie ? Perhaps something like Woodstock. Some cat can tell a woman in a Burkha about her wild eyes.

I think a few of you should follow the Abu Hamza trial. It'll make you all the more furious when he gets off scot free.

CNN and other news channels made it sound like this was the first time such a thing ever happened. Folks thought I was being a hater when I said this happens every year.

Devil - 345 x Islam - 0

The Haj is clearly too dangerous to be open to the public.

The fire-marshall really ought to shut the whole thing down.

Oh My! Savages killed each other, so what! They do it everyday to innocents that's their 'THANG'!

. After the traditional Stoning of the Devil comes the time-honored Crushing of the Pilgrims.

C'mon People, folks that throw rocks at a wall in order to make a statement are deranged in the first place, cave people in my estimation, and funny!

"The Boss" (and I don't mean Allah) sings:

Got a wife and kids in Peshawar, Jack.
I went off to the haj and I never came back.
Threw some stones, got trampled underfoot.
Now lots of pilgrims like me are kaput.
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
And if you die it’s for a really good cauj.
Everybody’s got to may-hay-hake a haj.

Got to Mecca, seem no time had elapsed.
Slept like a log but then the roof collapsed.
Still did my pilgrim stuff without any fuss.
But then some luggage had to fall off a bus.
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
And if you die it’s for a really good cauj.
Everybody’s got to may-hay-hake a haj.

Tried to run, got caught in the melee.
Now there’s only one thing left to say.
If your agent tries to sell you on a round-trip ticket
You better tell him, “Buster, go and stick it.”
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
Everybody’s got to make a haj.
Lay down your life, it’s for a really good cauj.
Everybody’s got to may-hay-hake a haj.

Does this mean one of the pillars of islam is satan?

Deadly History of the Haj!

They will never learn.

I really want to show some humanity, but after reading about the girl who will bw hanged for killing an attemted rapist, I say 345 isn't enough.

Thats what happens when you dabble in evil.

#223 Van Impe,

I noticed those are just recent numbers. Can you imagine what it must have been like before the advent of modern civil engineering, water hoses, and basic fire regulations? Ya know, all those things brought by the eeevil infidels?

#226

Can you imagine what it must have been like before the advent of modern civil engineering, water hoses, and basic fire regulations?

Awfully damn smelly!

WHAT NO CAR SWARMS & CAR B. Q'S?

Friend of the Devil - The Grateful Dead

I lit out from Reno, I was trailed by twenty hounds
Didn't get to sleep last night 'till the morning came around.

Set out runnin' but I take my time
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.

Ran into the devil, babe, he loaned me twenty bills
I spent the night in Utah in a cave up in the hills.

Set out runnin' but I take my time, a friend of the devil is a friend of mine,
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.

I ran down to the levee but the devil caught me there
He took my twenty dollar bill and vanished in the air.

Set out runnin' but I take my time
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.

Got two reasons why I cry away each lonely night,
The first one's named Sweet Anne Marie, and she's my hearts delight.
The second one is prison, babe, the sheriff's on my trail,
And if he catches up with me, I'll spend my life in jail.

Got a wife in Chino, babe, and one in Cherokee
The first one says she's got my child, but it don't look like me.

Set out runnin' but I take my time,
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine,
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.

Is the news that so many people were killed, or so few?

Okay, apologies if said before, but please tell me George Galloway was there!

Anyone have any idea what #1 means?

#235 jlfintx

Anyone have any idea what #1 means?

You're joking, right?

In the stories about the stampede, it mentioned the fact that the "pilgrims" were carrying along their belongings and suitcases with them while they went to "Shout at the Devil" (my apologies to Vince Neal) and the luggage may have been what caused people to trip, starting the whole incident.

Now who goes sightseeing while on vacation and carries all their luggage with them while they go from spot to spot? Can't they leave their stuff back at their tent? Is it really necessary to carry it around.

The only explanation I can think of is that they are afraid if they leave the stuff lying around somewhere it will get stolen, so they carry it with them.

Could it be that the Indonesian Muslims don't trust the Arabs who don't trust the Africans who don't trust the Persians?

My money is on our Brave Troops that are eradicating this scourge on humanity!

It is said that by the grace of God the Divine Peace (al-sakinah) descended in the form of a wind which brought a cloud in the shape of a dragon that revealed to Abraham and Ishmael the site of the old temple. They were told to construct the shrine directly upon the shadow of the cloud, neither exceeding nor diminishing its dimensions.

Revelation 12:9 "So the great dragon was thrown out—the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole world. He was thrown to earth, and his angels with him."

Hmm, sounds like "the one who deceives the whole world" managed to decieve the muslims into building a shrine for him in Mecca. Maybe they should consider stoning the "cube" instead of those pillars?

The stone is mounted in a silver frame in the wall, four feet above the ground, in the southeast corner of the shrine. It is of an oval shape about twelve inches in diameter, composed of seven small stones (possibly basalt) of different sizes and shapes joined together with cement.

Held together by cement! Sheesh, you'd think Allah might at least be able to keep his holy stone from falling apart.

(in the 10th century the Black Stone was actually stolen for a period of twenty-one years by the Carmathians)

What was I thinking? Allah can't even keep the thing from being stolen! Twenty-one years! Sheesh, talk about impotent.

To this day, Mecca remains strictly closed for persons not of the Muslim faith.

Seems fair to me that we now declare the U.S. "strictly closed" to persons of the Muslim faith instead of allowing them to run around being offended everytime an infidel sneezes and insisting on their "rights"!

#236 Reaganite

You're joking, right?

Well, actually I was expecting crickets, but certainly didn't get any answers.

So who is it that says they understand that drivel?

#240 jlfintx

So who is it that says they understand that drivel?

He's got his fan club that claims they can!

I guess I'm turning into a prick because I can't muster any sympathy for these people. I see 345 fewer people who want to kill me.

I heard on the radio that there were 1000 injured.

The luggage is strange.

#243:

The NYT is also reporting the 1,000 injured figure. But Scott Adams (he of Dilbert) has the best observation of the day:

I think it’s interesting that when you pray to God for a new bike, it hardly ever materializes in your bedroom within seconds. But when you throw stones at the devil, quite often you get an immediate response. That’s an example of good customer service.

#51 Peacekeeper

I want a green Nerf football!

#87 gollywog

LOL!

#92 American Infidel

Nah, by that time we'll have body reconstruction and cybernetics. You can chase the young guys around a table!

"Excuse the disguise, Marty, but I was afraid you wouldn't recognize me. I went to a rejuvenation clinic and got an all-natural overhaul. They took out some wrinkles, did a hair repair, changed the blood - added a good thirty or forty years to my life. They also replaced my spleen and colon. What do you think?" -- Doc Emmitt L. Brown - Back to the Future II

#108

Makes me wish for reincarnation. Or maybe a time machine.

#70 Sharku 1/12/2006 09:00AM PST
I wonder just how many kafirs have been saved by the premature death of the 345?

Eggzelent point, Sharku!

I think that mo got stoned one day in between epileptic fits, and walked around the big black allah seven times, muttering to himself, schmoking weed, kicking pebbles, watching them scurry in the sand, landing at the base of the the big black allah. "Aaaallhaa, I should do this more often, and teach others to do the same".

Somehow, 100 years after mo originally got stoned and circumbobulated, the Hadith's were written. The original meaning and of mo's stoned circumbobulation and pebble kicking experience was forever lost in translation, and we now have ..

"The Hajj" (scary music from psycho)

The moongod shall have his blood offering.

The only reason there are these deaths during the hajjj is because there are no infidels handy.

#244
The luggage thing. There a millions of people at the haj. Most stay in tents, which are supplied by the Saudis. It may be that the "pilgrims" aren't assigned any specific tent but stay in any one thats available and during the day they have to take all of their belongings (luggage) with them because they may not be returning to the same tent as the night before. just a theory.

Its a requirement for all able bodied Muslims who can afford the trip to make the pilgrimage at least once in their lives. It is far more feasible to travel to Mecca from around the globe now than hundreds of years ago, there are more Muslims and more of them can afford to make the trip, but.. Mecca doesn't get any bigger, so the crowds get more and more out of control, leading to these inevitable catastophes.

In the wake of the tragedy, Muslim groups in the UK have urged a limit be put on the number of pilgrims taking part in the Hajj to reduce the pressure of numbers.

Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said Muslims should be discouraged from performing the Hajj multiple times.

"People go every year and I think they should be stopped. It's obligatory just once in a lifetime," he said.

If there are a billion Muslims, and they could all afford to make the trip, it would require some 15 million per year if they all only went once.

So its a good thing for Islam that being Muslim is a strong precursor for living in abject poverty or the crowds would really get out of control.

#161 Jehu. You just caused me to have alcohol abuse. Mich Ultra on my screen and keyboard and in me nose.

#102 Firebreather

I reckon this is the Churchill passage you were referencing:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, > pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

In reviewing the links posted of the kabaah and some of the crap inside and outside, it did appear that there are some photos that resemble a gigantic, metallic vagina. The photo of the gigantic, metallic vagina with the arab male sticking his entire turban-encrusted head inside, was especially amusing. And to think... they hate women! Go figure.

/putting moonbat equivalence hat ON

There are some parallels ya know. It's not like we don't have nasty trampling incidents too...Like for instance, the Superbowl where every year there is...ummm...well maybe not that cuz there's only 100,000 people at the Superbowl. Not the same...but hey, what about when we had that million man march on the mall in D.C...what about that?...ummm...OK, maybe not that either...but what about that...ummm...ummm

/moonbat hat OFF

345 people have been killed in a stampede during a symbolic stoning ritual at the annual Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia

STUPID
stu·pid Audio pronunciation of "stupid" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.

Islam?! Slow to learn? Poor decisions? Lack of intelligence?
Say it isn't so!

I told allah this would happen, they need more E-ticket rides at Mecca World.

What do you call 345 Muslims trampled to death in Mecca? A good start.

That's 345 less idiots in the world.

Every satanic cult worth a damn have ritual sacrifices. Its just that this particular cult does it en masse.

The saudi-mites are incapable of doing anything without Western (Infidel) supervision.

They can't fly. They can't drive. They can't do any work in the oifields and they sure can't manage crowds.

If I were that grossly incompetent, I'd be running around in head-chopping humiliation, too.

#102 Firebreather
Ah, Churchill. Churchill KNEW. Here's a pithy little gem I just read:

As First Lord of the Admiralty he had broadcast more addresses to the people than any other minister and he had taken pains to meet head on his listeners' tendency to wonder what the war was about. For instance, after a moving passage about "The hideous agony of Poland" he went on:

Although the fate of Poland stares them in the face, there are thoughtless dilettanti or purblind worldlings who sometimes ask us, "What is it that Britain and France are fighting for?" To this I answer, " If we left off fighting you would soon find out."

Churchill and War by Geoffrey Best: Hambledon and London 2005.

Winston Churchill. Still Relevant After All These Years. ^TM

Darwin Ahkbar!

Ka-ching!
24,840 virgins coming up!

wow, checking the daily USDA Livestock Slaughter report today, I see that 117,000 cattle were ran through for processing.

How many cattle died from being trampled...0
Last week...0
ever...odds aren't looking good

so, what does that say for those people.

Crowd management must not be a high priority.

Hajj Stompfest 2006. Don't forget to buy your t-shirts!

Meanwhile, US newspapers write up feature articles about locals going to Mecca, explaining Hajj. They must think it's hip to explain Islam to people.

How about interviewing the locals after they return home, about their spiritual experience, of course, and then tossing in a few questions about the stampede?

/yeah, right

Does it say anal sacrifice?

/trying not to gloat...trying...nah, sorry, I can't

Reason #95,384 I'm glad I'm not a muslim...

Do people bring children to the Hajj? I'd feel bad if any children were trampled to death.

I hope no children were trampled, but here's an account of one being stoned:
"Another man came to stone the Jamrat on Wednesday carrying his young son on his shoulders. The man was quite tall and the child perched on his shoulders was even higher up in the air. The man fought his way to the front of the crowd so his boy could get a good view of the proceedings. Almost immediately the child began screaming in pain. The father turned around to spot the problem and it came right toward him. The stones of the shorter pilgrims began hitting him in the face. Security officers quickly came to his aid."
link

#72:

So, they're not above modifying and adjusting traditions. Curious that they can modify certain traditions, but not others. Wouldn't any changes be considered apostasy because they're modifying the word of Allah? /just wondering.

Ask ALLAH/OSHA to have a look at it.

Hmmm...

From the BBC's Deadly history of the Hajj:

1987: 402 people, including 275 Iranians (according to Saudi figures), die when security forces break up an anti-US demonstration by Iranian pilgrims.

Clearly America's fault.

Ok, it was the last day.People wanted to get to the stoning before sundown,when the festivities end. The people who run this event need to talk to Disney about crowd control,logistics,group psychology,etc.

Death toll keeps increasing - now above 400. It's interesting that while one would think that a stampede killing 400 would be a significant story, it doesn't rate at any of the major papers for significant coverage.

Lemme guess the Mecca Mickey d's announced the return of the McCous cous and the crowd went ape-shit.

If they believed in Jesus they wouldn't have to throw stones at "the Devil" for their sins. Jesus took care of all that on the cross. Well, I think I understand the "praying for your enemies" command now because these guys need help. Ok- I'll get out of my pulpit now! amen...

2006 Mecca Human Stampede Invitational