don't be evil, yeah, right!

Of course they will. Why did I think they would have the balls to fight it? They only have the nads to fight the American gov, because they know the consequences otherwise.

Do no Google.

But have no fear about Google's collaboration with the Chinese government...they're going to "protect" hysterical liberals here in America who fear the Bush administration!

Hugh Hewitt rightly calls this Times article this silliest of the year.

To obtain the Chinese license, Google agreed to omit Web content that the country’s government finds objectionable. Google will base its censorship decisons on guidance provided by Chinese government officials.

After all the fuss Google has made about this, I'm surprised...not that the Chinese finally had influence (it's a big market), but the precedent this sets. Not just censorship, but censorship guided by another nation's sensibilities.

Can't wait to hear what DH the computer jock has to say about this.

“We firmly believe, with our culture of innovation, Google can make meaningful and positive contributions to the already impressive pace of development in China,” said Andrew McLaughlin, Google’s senior policy counsel.

Translation: "We think we'll develop a sh*tload of money."

Is this the same Google that wouldn't compromise it's standards to help in the fight against kiddie porn?

/Must protect the First Amendment at the cost of all those children.

Any suggestions on another search engine to use after I purge all google crap from my computer?

You said it. They will do the bidding of Mao's heirs while ignoring the US Justice Department. We know whose side they're on.

Don't be evil means make money by kissing commie ass here and abroad.

JJP

m

Google? Balls?

LOL.. LOL..

Wasn't this the same company that was just lauded by the left for "standing up to the evil Bushitler regime" for wanting information on those visiting kiddie-porn websites?

I'm waiting for their outrage now...still waiting...zzz

$439.68/share? Gimme a break.

The guy who stood in front of the tank, what does he think? We might not know now that google goes for censorship.

I am told that some yo-yo in the US gummint sold these clowns a Keyhole satellite.

Google: matching the market cap of intel with 1/10th the earnings!

Can you spell o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d?

#7 lurking faith

Bingo. That's the only guiding principle.

So...

Anybody care to recommend a good search engine?

#9 mbruce

[Link: clusty.com...] is good

I don't see what the problem is, really. We all know Bushitler censors people all the time right here in America. People have even been 'disappeared' for whistleblowing. And the real info on 9/11 has never seen the light of day. Let's not be hypocritical.

Arg!

What is so frustrating to me is that google is the best search engine there is. Period. All the way through library school I tried pretty much all of the ones out there, backwards and forwards, and google is the best.

Evil, but competent evil.

Sigh...

Didn't Fox News agree to censor news coverage in China in return for access to the Chinese satellite tv market?

More of that sweet liberal multiculturalism.
We ignorants in the west just don't understand the beauty of communism and stifled free speech.

Much better for leftists to whine endlessly about their perceived grievance of the evil Bushilter taking away their right to free speech. (even though they can't provide any examples... oh wait here is one...
Example of how the evil BusHitler is taking away free speech in Amerika.

but when real free speech is trampled on - these same leftists look the other way and could not care less.

a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto

Holy criminy. Is it getting deep in here, or what?

I just opened up the box to my new blowdryer... bought at Walmart.. from ... China..

I hope it doesn't censor my hair...

Guck Foogle.

Just Ask Jeeves!

Hypocirites, the Google that timidly acquiesces to Chinese communist demands is the same Google that pretends to be the champion of the First Amendment here in the United States. Of course, Google knows that their domestic posturing will be without consequences while defending free speech in China will cost them some of their vast profits. Besides, Google admires communist governments.

And another thing... CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED.

Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange
interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard, awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.

- Eason Jordan

Don't be Evil

- Google

#22 Lizard Mom

I know what you mean. Although I used to like Webcrawler, long long ago.

But even Google isn't quite what it used to be; ever since they went public I've noticed a lowering of appropriateness in results.

#11 {Amalie} ~ I know. What was I thinking? Would have been a good opportunity to show that they aren't hypocritical leftist assholes though~ instead of confirming it!

"Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto. But management believes it’s a worthwhile sacrifice."

Despite their clearly supeerior moral stance on all topics, such as bias against US conservatives, allowing the oppressive China dictate policy is OK becase there is a lot of money to be made. I love liberals and their BS moral and ethical stances.

This puts bloggers who use blogger in a bind. Like myself. Blogger is a google company, and considering its actions to bow down before the Chinese government and give in to their demands will make things interesting to say the least. Especially if you care about free speech and access to information.

So, Google will purposefully limit access to sites that come up for searches that the ChiComs find objectionable. Sheesh. Way to give in to the Communists.

Well, I guess we can kiss the idea of LGF being big in China goodbye.

I don't get it. Maybe I am just the epitome of lazy. Censorship seems like a whole lot of work for something that in the end doesn't work. When in history has mass censorship not ended in revolution?

What gutless arseholes.

32m  1/25/2006 09:02AM PST

#11 {Amalie} ~ I know. What was I thinking? Would have been a good opportunity to show that they aren't hypocritical leftist assholes though~ instead of confirming it!

Yes, {m}, their Capitalist underpants are showing...

I see Leftists
I see moonbats dance
I see Google's underpants..

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto. But management believes it’s a worthwhile sacrifice.

Yup, for enough money, "evil" can be redefined.

#31 Lurking

Yeah, while I have noticed Google quality going down a bit, it still is so much better.

I used to use Ask Jeeves, but when I got to library school, and started working for a library, my tasks got way more complicated and Ask wasn't cutting it for me anymore. Neither does yahoo. I tried several smaller ones where the interface was nice (Can't come up with what they are called off of the top of my head) but the results were too few and not relevant.

It really puts died in the wool conservatives like me and thee in a bind.

"Do no evil" doesn't say they can't help evil from the sidelines though.

I give you Google's defense of kiddie-porn and their helping the ChiComs suppress free speech in China.

How offensive of Google to do this. They have achieved success on the (green)backs of the American people. Now they canoodle with a communist state.

Then they rationalize it by saying they're a 'global' company.

In the battle of greed vs. integrity, greed wins most of the time.

#30 a4g --Iraqi lives in danger? Eason Jordan can go to hell.

I haven't watched CNN since I learned of his actions. Just turn your head, close your eyes to genocide --it's ok because you are saving lives. *spit* grimace* wretch***

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto. But management believes it’s a worthwhile sacrifice.

Apparently they've decided that "being evil" is just too damn profitable.

I remember the thread where the homepage of a dissident blogger in China was shut down by Microsoft, and several guys said "you have to align to national law in order to do business"...

"Don't be evil" unless there's a buck in it.

I wonder how it will work? Will Google get a set of guidelines of what they can and cannot have on the website... or will China demand to have everything routed through their censors first before Google has a chance to cache anything?

It's simple really. The Google-ites know that going along with Chinese government repression will help their bottom line, but giving their own government information (NOT on individual users as I understand it) would hurt it. Typical leftist garbage--the US is the root of all evil and real evil everywhere else is excused if it lines their pockets.

What is the purpose of the Internet if not for the exchange of free ideas?

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto.

Perhaps Google's new motto should be "We'll do anything for a buck."

#40 Lizard Mom

you posting from work or did you call in sick?

*grin*

Lance

Nothing is free.

Sorry.

Its all about money..China is a huge market and if they can only tap that by censoring, I'd guess its purely a financial decision. Hell, Id probably do it if it meant that I could retire with a big house on the beach and a brand new fishing boat..just sayin. Now that doesnt mean that you have to use their search engine. we are free to do whatever..
Dang, I thought you all were capitalists.

Id post a link to the boat I want, but Id have to use Google to find it..ha ha!

#51 Dirk Diggler

well, they took "Don't be Evil" as a motto only because "Google: The Tijuanian Hookers of the Internet" wouldn't fit on their business cards.

OT:

cnn/gallup poll- Hillary for Pres?

16% say they would vote for her

51% say "HELL NO"

Lance--

I am posting from work. I am a horrible person, I know.

:)

Californican

Darn us, Capitalists... all worrying about Censorship... everyone knows that is the aegis of the Left.

/that's the Urban Legend

#53 Amalie

well, you know what I mean.

We get Weather from Ed, oil Talk from Mike C and the rest of the crew, photojournalism from Zombie, etc. etc. etc.

unregulated by the Government. (I didn't mean 'free' as in cost, but in ability)

#49 taxfreekiller -

what do you call that.?

I call it what you have taught me to call it, TFK: The money cult at work.

They don't want to piss off Mexico. That would mean pissing off Mexican voters, which would mean you wouldn't get elected. Which would mean that your 'retirement package' also known as the 'war chest' full of gold, goes the way of the do-do bird.

#57 Lizard Mom

I'm sure your co-workers will think you're evil when they see that you post here instead of DU.

#50 Lance Kates

Duh-uh! The point of the Internet is to have fun on LGF.

W-Lover

Hi Dub-Luv...

How censored censored censored?

Is this so that the next massive cyber attack vs the world from China will be that much easier for them to pull off?

Or am I missing something?

Par for the course. A bunch of hippie Marxist sympathizers who also want to cash in for the big bucks.

Like Hillary Clinton, but with a computer science degree.

#62 WriterMom

that's the rumor.

Old Google Motto: Don't do evil.
New Google Motto: Do just a little evil, but make a buck.

cold war commie comment:
"We will leave the U.S. alone as capitalist entity. They will sell us the rope we will use to hang them."
-khrushchev, I think

Google=com symps.

We need to summon Al Gore... Al Gore would know what to do.. after all.. Al Gore invented the internet..

Another couple of Libs makin' a nice bundle of cash of the suffering of others. I remember the Tienamen Square incident, and I can see that student standing in front of that tank. Only now I can see Google putting advertising logo on that tank and maybe even running over the student protester.

Nice goin - hope's ya meke a lot of money.

#27 Intestinal Fortitude - I agree with the Ask Jeeves recommendation PLUS they advertise on LGF!

Bubb-alie-

Makes my day.

#61

Oh, my coworkers already think I am evil because I am a Republican. Fortunately, they also know I am darn smart, very good at the job, nice, and the patrons like me--

So I am forgiven. Most of the time, at least.

Plus, they are mostly clueless about blogs. Alas, what ignorance! And among librarians, no less.

W-Lover

Me too!

/45% "hated her"

I think Yahoo and Microsoft both have good search engines.

#43 ggt

It rankles me Communist New Network International! has some sort of stranglehold in airports, on my cellphone ticker service and even at the US Veterans Administration hospital in Washington, DC.--a Federal building.

CNN: We excuse real evil for profit!

KFT

?elzzuP regniF esenihC

Maybe it's not such a good idea to be using gmail for my email.

Time to rethink my email strategy.

#8 rw in san diego

Is this the same Google that wouldn't compromise it's standards to help in the fight against kiddie porn?

It probably has nothing to do with kiddie porn or the First and Fourth Amendments, and everything to do with President Bush.

If President Clinton had asked Google for information, they probably would have complied.

Any suggestions on another search engine to use after I purge all google crap from my computer?

I use Yahoo and get the same results as google.

I may be naive...but for those who are saying...'use another search engine' ...why? As I understand the intenet search model, the money is made by advertising on the site, etc. While I'm very attuned to making sure my money doesn't knowingly go to some liberal asshole company, I use the google toolbar, and google for searches. I do not believe I'm tranferring any wealth to google by doing this. Correct me please?

First Microsoft, now Google...sounds like a lot of people are on their way to inventing a their own web crawler.

Google is a myth. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but they are part of the whole open source liberal craze and when they crash, they will crash hard (like the rest of open source).

Looking for a good search engine to replace it? I highly recommend either going back to search.msn.com, or use this one (which MS is working with)
[Link: rwsm.directtaps.net...]

"Do no evil" doesn't equal "be not evil" nor "do not help evil".
Google can go f*ck itself. Try using Ask Jeeves, after all they do advertise on LGF so click on the ad next time and at least check it out.

I do wish Charles could remove Google as his search engine at the top right of the page though.

Dubluv, could you send me a link to that poll ~ you know i gotta :D and I don't have time today to look for it! :( (would cut into my LGF moments and I can't have that now)

#79 Axiom

Yah, I have a gmail account as well. I use it as sort of my 'I don't want to give you the email account I use for important stuff email account'.

The problem is of course, once again, that I like the structure of gmail quite a bit.

ARG!

Another good search engine is a "meta search engine" - one that issues the same search to several engines and compiles the results:

Dogpile is a good one to start.

Yes they include google results, but also several other search sites - all rolled into one webpage.

On the other hand, most of us gladly buy cheap Chinese products FULLY KNOWING poor Chinese workers are worked to death by communist overlords to sell us this stuff.

Ford Motors cuts jobs & loses money in the US while making tons of money in China. Where's the outrage? Same thing will illegal Latinos working in this country. We all know about the crime but haven't mustered the will to do anything about it.

#82

I very stupid when it comes to 'puters, but I believe it is in hits. Everytime you go to google, they record a hit and use that to sell advertising.

That's why I feel guilty going to liberal newspapers web sites.

alegrias- and Hotels. Sometimes all you can get is CNN, Disney and the local stations. No CSPAN even--grrr.

82 soccerdad-

Correct me please?

They're selling space based on traffic volume. Just like a radio station. If the traffic volume goes down, the company makes less money, because they cannot guarantee as much exposure.

/my $0.02

#74 Lizard Mom

Speaking of which, I never found out about the book donation program you were heading up. how is that going/did that go?

#82 soccerdad

I do not believe I'm tranferring any wealth to google by doing this. Correct me please?

The price for web-ads are computed by number of hits on a site. The more hits to google, the higher they charge for ad space. So yes, if you hit google, you are putting money in their pockets.

#89 Alegrias

On the other hand, most of us gladly buy cheap Chinese products FULLY KNOWING poor Chinese workers are worked to death by communist overlords to sell us this stuff.

You are right. Often we don't have a choice. The product being sold at the store is only made in China.

When I have a choice, I buy something else. Example. I want to buy energy efficient lightbulbs, but they are all made in China. I buy the old style ones instead as they are still made here (or at least not in China).

This is the same Google that is currently fighting an attempt by the U.S. Gov. to bust child porn douchebags by using random samples of net traffic. Fuck Google.

#56 W-lover

cnn/gallup poll- Hillary for Pres?

16% say they would vote for her

51% say "HELL NO"

And yet, many Republicans are so afraid of her, they think they need to nominate a RINO "moderate" to woo the "independent"fence-sitters.

Apparently Google has drawn a line in the sand of the censorship wars. It will defend to the death the right to supply kiddy porn.

AI-

Can you find a link to the poll Rush was talking about?

#87 American Infidel

That is B.S., the founder of Google is a commie born in Moscow...I really don't care that he spent the majority of his life living in the West, he behaves like a commie...

Where were you born?

the sad thing about buying Chinese is if we didn't, the worker would have no income at all.

It boggles the mind that people can live on $10 a week. Of course, they don't expect a health plan. I used to think that economies had to evolve on their own. There are entrepreneurs in China doing very well. Perhaps they have to go thru their own "unionization" process for individual workers to get a fair shake. Not buying their products isn't going to help them.

As I an very concerned about China's military capabilities --not buying their products may help us.

Greater minds than mine will have to weigh in on this. . .

tfk- Of course, I can only make a humble suggestion, but Mexican troops in the US running interference against US cops for drug smugglers might just be thread worthy.

Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers had an armed standoff with nearly 30 U.S. law enforcement officials on the Rio Grande in Texas Monday afternoon, according to Texas police and the FBI.

Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States, said Chief Deputy Mike Doyal, of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department.

Mexican Army troops had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border -- near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso -- when Border Patrol agents called for backup. Hudspeth County deputies and Texas Highway patrol officers arrived shortly afterward, Doyal said.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

An FBI spokeswoman confirmed the incident happened at 2:15 p.m. Pacific Time.

"Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border," said Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman with the FBI's El Paso office. "People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican Army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across."

Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred inquiries to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

ICE did not return calls seeking comment.

Doyal said deputies captured one vehicle in the incident, a Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen from El Paso, and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside. The Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river, he said.

Doyal's deputies faced a similar incident on Nov. 17, when agents from the Fort Hancock border patrol station in Texas called the sheriff's department for backup after confronting more than six fully armed men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men -- who were carrying machine guns and driving military vehicles -- were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal said.

Doyal said such incidents are common at Neely's Crossing, which is near Fort Hancock, Texas, and across from the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

"It happens quite often here," he said.

Deputies and border patrol agents are not equipped for combat, he added.

Mexican embassy in DC denies their Army is involved. I believe him, because we know how much respect the administartion of Vicente Fox respects our border.

Build the fence baby, 15 feet high, motion sensors, razor wire on top. Brownsville to San Ysidro.

In the meantime, I hope Gov. Perry has the nads to send some NG helicopters to SW Texas to rocket and kill some of the soldiers next time they cross.

Don't mess with Texas

#87 American Infidel

I will not be at all surprised that in a few years time that communists are going to say SCREW YOU GREEDY CAPITALIST BASTARDS all your investments & any kind of property you own here belongs to us...

That makes one recall the McDonalds ("World's biggest" wasn't it?) that was built after lengthy negotiations, with wasn't it a hundred-year lease on the property? McDonalds built it, got it chock a block full of customers, and the Chinese government booted them out two years later, hang the agreement.

Google has made its fortune on the free dissemination of information and they do this. No loyalty to the ideals and society that made it all possible.

When France wants Ebay and Yahoo to restrict searches for Nazi paraphenalia, these companies say it is "impossible" and also "silly"

But oppress a people and offer big bucks to anyone that will help, and they are beating down the door to accomodate China.

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted “don’t be evil” as a motto. But management believes it’s a worthwhile sacrifice.

I love it when hypocritical, amoral lefties call selling out for the money "a worthwhile sacrifice." And with a straight face, no doubt.

I'll use clusty from now on.

the irony is that the founders of Google were Montessori educated. . The hallmark of Montessori education is freedom of the mind and spirit.

Totalitarian governments don't allow Montessori schools. The Nazi's & Mussolini closed all of them.

Power and greed can overcome most ideals.

Ed, the snow is melting quickly in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago.

#102 Ed

one of the issues where President Bush needs a steel-toed kick in the butt.

not just protect... CLOSE the borders for all non-citizens. at least until we get this issue taken care of.

Build a fence ON the border, and about 200 yards back, lookout posts every 500 yards with armed guards in them with high power rifles.

BIG signs in English and Spanish that say "If you pass this wall, you WILL be shot." Including a repeating recording that switches between English and Spanish saying the same thing (for those Mexicans that cannot read)

If Fox has an issue with that, tell him that we're following his example of having a strong southern border. (He patrols his southern border with his military.)

#93 Lance

It went pretty well. It was rather chaotic, though.

Jonah Goldberg offers his humor and insight on the issue @ NROnline;

'Oogling My Googling': Whose side is technology on, anyway?

A wave of pious indignation and table-thumping has spread across the nation's editorial pages over the freedom to search for Internet porn. Don't get me wrong: I think you do have the right to search for porn. But it is interesting to see what gets people's First Amendment gag reflex going...

#95 Dave the...

It's ironic Nixon went to China in 1972, and now Communists are burying us--with stuff we freely buy that has driven more expensive merchandise made anywhere BUT China out of business. Nixon didn't anticipate that giant sucking sound of jobs going to China. He might as well be China's Patron Saint of Das Kapital.

China needs a Lech Walesa, the Polish guy who started a free trade union in Communist Poland--and helped topple the Commies, with the Pope's help.

If China had to comply with ANY minimum pay, safety, environmental or health standards for their workers, we might be back in business.

But our Democrats don't want Chinese workers to live as we do.

OK, I want to say at the outset that I agree with the above comments--Google is evil, supporting commie governments to make a buck is bad, etc. I agree with this.

But I still feel obliged to toss in a devil's advocate type of comment.

Won't google access, even restricted, be of some help to the Chinese people? Isn't it better than nothing?

I lived in China for three months from the end of '99 to Feb of '00. You can feel the oppressiveness of the government. To say it is opposed to free speech is like saying Cindy Sheehan is a little crazy. I guess I have a slightly different perspective.

#108. LanceKates. I have not been disturbed by unwelcome foreign visitors (or anyone else for that matter) ever since I wired up some claymore mines to my doorbell and put the "Beware of Rabid Dogs" signs in the yard. I would love to get a consulting job on border control.

google; so they go with the bucks! How about starting, supporting some capitalist co. that dosn't go along with the chinese? In time google will help the commies to ferret out all internet opposition. Google etc. will not change unless they lose money, all else may be a pipe dream.

Too bad neither Google nor many other Western companies insist their products be available in North Korea, China's client state of perpetual Gulag.

Our greenbacks & liberals support a lot of scuzzy dictatorships.

Honestly if we raised the top tax rates to 95% on the wealthiest Americans, we would soak a lot of moonbats (Google's founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page, George Soros, John & Ter-RAY-zuh Kerry, Warren Buffet, Ted Turner, John Rockefeller, insert celebrity moonbat here).

That would also leave them with a lot less money for political motivated mischief.

Just thinking out loud.

#49 taxfreekiller.

Its OT, but the Mexican standoff is a non-issue.

The USA is afraid of an "international incident"? Bullcrap. That's exactly what is necessary here to fix this. It would be relatively small, and it would only have to happen one time.

We should shoot a few of these invading armed drug runners on sight, and then let the chips fall where they may.

If they turn out to be drug smugglers PRETENDING to be Mexican military, well. . .they'll learn a good lesson, and think twice about pulling that ruse again.

If they turn out to be authentic Mexican military actually smuggling drugs. . .well. . .Mexico will deny it. . .claim they weren't smugglers. . .claim the transgression into the USA was an unfortunate "accident" because their soliders got lost. . .some cock-and-bull story. . .but they'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

hmm, switched the home page to [Link: www.ask.com...]

Hope they don't turn out to be commie sympathizers.

#114 gymnast

my dad wants a sign that says "Beware: Dog trained by Marine"

of course... the 'dog' is a Yorkie.

and she's spoiled.

#117, Diggler,

Their political clout (ie $$) outweighs everyone elses by orders of magnitude.

So I don't see how you are going to get that little trick done.

#120

Lance, you have told me all about your dog. Hmmm...doesn't seem like a vicious killer to me.

#117 Dirk

When i'm voted in as President in 2016 (hint hint), i've already made this promise.

Since all my needs are met as far as food and shelter, any pay I receive while President will be donated to the Salvation Army and one or two other Charities that I trust.

Then I'll ask the Senators to match my giving with their Salary.

#122 lizard mom

nope. she's not. unless she's comfortable, laying in your lap, and you need to move.

heh.

#125

Sounds kind of like Jack, my little black kitten. He could purr them all to death, I suppose. And Clio can get awfully vicious if you take away her chicken.

#102 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr - I heartily second your motion that TFK's story, recaptired in your comment, be made into a thread.
Anybody got the name and e-mail addy of the Govenor of Texas?

On alternative search engines: I use and like Clusty. It has a toolbar so I can search without going to their site first (and does the search in a separate tab or window if you want).

It also clusters search results, so if you search, say, "chess", beside the main frame, you get:

All Results (194)
⇨Online Chess (29)
⇨Board (20)
⇨Club (16)
⇨Rules (13)
⇨Chess Federation (11)
⇨Gameplay (11)
⇨Chess Programming (8)
⇨Reviews (6)
⇨Photo Gallery (6)
⇨Net-Chess (3)
more|all clusters

Oh, I also closed down my "Blogger" blog, and am looking for a new place to re-start.

Google stuff? No, thank you very much.

#123 American Infidel

Is that really any of your business?!?

It's your argument that you can tell Sergey Brin is a commie in part because of where he was born. So, I've gotta figure that you might have somee commie blood in you, being from the Bloc yourself.

I smell them from lightyears away...

It's people like you that give this place a bad name. And I smell something funny...

Hey AI

I think Rush is making fun of little dogs like ours!

#128 Empire

I don't remember playing around with Clusty when I was testing out various engines, but it looks pretty cool. I'll give it a shot. I like the clustering concept anyway.

Do you get a lot of results? Are they nice and relevant? How does it do with obscure topics like data mining?

Or, never mind, I can play around with this myself when I get home.

#45 hans ze beeman

I remember the thread where the homepage of a dissident blogger in China was shut down by Microsoft, and several guys said "you have to align to national law in order to do business"...

I was wondering how long it would take before someone caught that.

I was was one of those people. I think there is a slight difference in the cases. Blogging is an active endeavor, having access to information is not.

There are differences in the two companies as well. MS does not have the same pretensions as google. I think a lot of the dersion aimed at google is due to their hipocrisy

Close call I agree.

Imagine the supprise at google, though, to realise that they are business men.

I for one, do everything in my power not to buy Chinese goods. I will forego a purchase if the only thing I can find is made in China.

I will pay more for an alternative and am willing to adjust my standard of living downward to avoid enriching a nation that serves an idealogy based on world domination.

Trade unions will never work in China. The reason they were more successful in Poland is because the country is predominantly Catholic, the Pope was behind the unions and the military wasn't willing to open fire on their own people.

The Chinese have no compulsion about engaging in mass murder (Tianamen Square anyone?), they'll just use a division of the "people's" Army from another part of the nation and gun down anyone refusing to work. It isn't as if they are going to end up being short of workers!

Dang, we've still got the commies wanting to rule the world on behalf of the "workers", we have the islamonuts wanting to rule the world for the Caliphate and now we are tolerating armed incursions into our country by the Mexican military.

Some mornings it seems like the whole world is out to get us and we are just too greedy, too lazy or too politically power hungry to stop them.

Sheesh!

#134 Fatal

Some mornings it seems like the whole world is out to get us and we are just too greedy, too lazy or too politically power hungry to stop them.

I vote for politically power hungry.

#133 javems

I was was one of those people. I think there is a slight difference in the cases. Blogging is an active endeavor, having access to information is not.

That forces a great question: Which is more important, freedom of speech or uncontrolled access to information? Are both fundamental human rights?

We're going to run into this capitalism vs. communism question again and again as it pertains to IT. Perhaps we should take a lesson from the Muslim invasion of Europe and see the value of getting one's nose in the tent.

#137 American Infidel ~

Was wondering if you saw this month's Dog Fancy mag ~ it has the most adorable Yorkie on the cover and a really nice article and more pics about the breed.

American Infidel ~

You must get the newest issue ~ you will enjoy it all!
Such adorable little faces...I had no idea they were so tiny!

Rubber bands ~ yeah, just might work!

Portends the things to come! Liberals will and are taking our freedom of speach by creating a warped definition of "hate speach" and political correctedness. The first admendment only exsist if the citizens are willing to speak out and use free speach, and back it up with putting into practice the second admendment. I strongly encourage all free people to either enlist or encourge others (freinds and family) to enter into the armed forces of our Great Republic, active, reserve, or guard. The Constitution requires our constant protection against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

#132 Lizard Mom --

Do you get a lot of results? Are they nice and relevant? How does it do with obscure topics like data mining?

Hmm ... I'm not sure what you mean by "lots", so that's hard to answer. It's not in the hundreds of thousands to millions I sometimes got from Google, but then I never went beyond the first few pages anyway.

I've always found exactly what I needed or wanted, yes, so I'd rate it high for relevance. Data mining, I don't know; what I search for is probably simplistic by a lot of people's standards, especially the folks here. Meds my doctor wants me to take, various needle or other fabric arts, plants I'm thinking about for my gardens, hobbies that look interesting, story research ... that sort of thing.

#102 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr

New Information:
By MARK STEVENSON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
January 25, 2006 12:34 PM EST
MEXICO CITY - Mexico insisted Wednesday that the men in military-style uniforms who crossed the Rio Grande River and confronted Texas law officers with guns drawn earlier this week were drug smugglers, not soldiers.

Mexican presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar said the FBI supported that view.

A U.S. law enforcement official confirmed Aguilar's account, saying the FBI and other agencies found no evidence that the men in uniform were Mexican soldiers. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter is politically sensitive in both countries.

Addendum to my #145 link is

TO: All
RE: Google & Me

We've parted ways.

Apple's Safari web-browser has Google hardwired into it and they can't get it out.

I've informed Apple that I will not use their Safari software, henceforth. The tech who fielded my call had heard of Google's pernicious evil and I got the distinct impression he agreed with my decision.

He put in a recommendation that Safari be modified to allow users to determine which search engine they want to use.

I'm now using FireFox.

Took all of ten minutes to re-orient myself. That included finding the software to move my bookmarks from Safari to FireFox and using it.

I counsel all other Mac users to do the same AND inform Apple of their decision; calling upon Apple to change Safari to facilitate user choice of search engines.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.]

P.S. I've got a call into my money market portfolio manager. I'm going to move any activity in there AWAY from Google stock. Like I'm doing for Microsoft.

I use Google Earth, but that's it. I refuse to use their search engine. I actually have a gmail account, but it sits there dormant, with only the "Welcome" email in it. Since NetZero kicked the mailbox in their free email up to 2Gb, I don't have an incentive to use gmail.

#145 realwest

We need to apprehend some of these "impostors" and find out what the real deal is. I don't for a minute believe that the Mexican army isn't involved. At the least, they're loaning or renting out Humvees.

Their political clout (ie $$) outweighs everyone elses by orders of magnitude.

So I don't see how you are going to get that little trick done.

Actually if these individuals truly possessd inordinate political clout we would live in a much different country.

John Kerry would be POTUS, the U.S. would have a one child policy similar to China's (Ted Turner), the inheritance tax wouldn't be being phased out (Warren Buffet), and the United States muscular foreign policy would be thoroughly immasculated (George Soros).

Once again I was just thinking out loud and not proposing confiscatory taxation as a course of action.

We need to apprehend some of these "impostors" and find out what the real deal is. I don't for a minute believe that the Mexican army isn't involved. At the least, they're loaning or renting out Humvees.

Anybody who knows anything about Mexico know that law enforcement there is an entrepreneurial profession, with corruption at all levels.

I suspect the Mexican military is not much different.

TO: Chuck

FROM: The dogmiester

RE: Firefox

Hey Pal, Firefox has perniciously embedded Google in their web browser also.

If you've got the quick fix, how do you switch Firfox to browse Yahoo, alta vista, et al ?

Woof !

ff

#138 American Infidel

Anyone wanting to give a commie or a commie sympathizer a break, as it appears you do, is a fool...

I said no such thing. I merely took you to task for your asinine statement (the most recent in a long series), and I stand by that. I'm not one to give a bigot a break. That, in this case, would be you.

I'm gonna go find Jheka and see if he's a FILTHY COMMIE, what with him being of Russian origin and all.

Have you smelled him, you commie Pole?

#102 Ed Mahmoud keeper of patriot weather reports

RE: Don't mess with Texas

Good source.

As No2Libs and I "discussed" last night, it is unlikely that your Gov. is going to do anything that "in denial" (reports are overblown) Chernoff, and his Administration handlers which would actually entail shooting or direct action on the border. So Forget DPS or NG heavy backup.

That leaves the county Sheriffs. I don't know how the Harris County Sheriffs dept is now, but they were happy for "Donations" of time and resources by the law abiding local citizenry in the mid 1980's even with moonbat Kathy Whitmire as Mayor of Houston.

Some Counties are more vulnerable than others, for drug runners trying to make a bee line for the U.S. transportation systems.

Right now, just deputizing all the members of the Long Range Shooters clubs and giving them a few weekends procedural training and On-call two ways like the volunteer Firefighters, would send a strong and Unabiguous message. I think there are quite a few private aircraft available for long term lone to sherriffs depts. The legality and procedural paperwork headaches of arming said aircraft is probably out of their league, but there's enough probono legal talent out there to handle it.

The Fence is the only solution, short range, for the U.S.

Then Presidente Vincente from his Rancho Costa-Plenty , will have to get on the line with the other Oligarchs of the Mexican Economy and figure out a new solution.

#147 Chuck Pelto --

Good for you!

#155 Havoc --

I don't remember how I switched, since it was a while ago ... maybe just downloaded the Clusty toolbar. But whatever I did, it was very simple, or I'd not have been able to do it! (I'm a writer and copy-editor, not a computer techie ... )

Me wuvs Firefox, me does -- especially the Adblock extension!

#159 Empire

I've been on Firefox ever since "A virus at my harddrive" that came into our network via IE.

I cannot figure out how to get the google imbed out of my firefox unless I guess I swith homepage search to Yahoo or something equally disgusting.

I'm thinking maybe alta Vista if it's still in business.

dead thread typing

# 158 addenda

Glad that Gov. Perry and Rep. Drier and Rep. Hunter, are finally joining Tancredo in a call to "admit the truth".

Reps. David Dreier, R-Glendora, and Duncan Hunter, R-San Diego, last week, called for Congress to look into incursions based on documents showing Mexican soldiers had crossed into the country 216 times over the past 10 years.

"We need to have these congressional hearings so all these can come to the forefront," Dreier said Tuesday. "So that this becomes the venue and we need this soon. All this needs to be rectified."

The last election cycle was really unfortunate in sending very ambiguous messages south of the border, in the absence of Clear Enforcement, Drug Runners who live in a black and white world , take appropriate action as they see it.

The Dems had this as a major voice on their side ... still do ...

Soros once again highlights himself as committed to an "open society." It sounds good, except for the fact that he has a plan for drug addicts and abusers to function openly in society, with drugs and even drug paraphernalia supplied by government agencies and paid for by taxpayers.

This approach was tried in Switzerland, where drug addicts gathered in "Needle Park" and used drugs such as heroin and cocaine openly. Ethan Nadelmann of the Soros-funded Drug Policy Alliance admitted that "Needle Park" became "unmanageable." He and Soros then became advocates of a new Swiss approach, whereby the government gave hard drugs directly to dopers in "consumption rooms" under government control. In effect, the Swiss brought "Needle Park" indoors. The idea of getting addicts treated and off drugs was simply shunted aside.

Soros called the idea of giving drugs to addicts "remarkably effective" and Nadelmann urges a similar "experiment" in the U.S. Does the public have any idea that the "fat cat" backing John Kerry and the Democratic Party favors government fixes for junkies? Soros makes these proposals because he believes the U.S. is losing the war on drugs. His "solution," of course, means raising the white flag of surrender.

The same might be said for his position on Iraq. His Wall Street Journal ad calls the Iraq war a "quagmire" but he offers no way out or plan for victory.

When will Soros get the media scrutiny he deserves? Dan Rather and his colleagues can pass Journalism 101 by following the trail and influence of the Soros billions.

From 10/04

Google, not satisfied by making bucks complying with Communist China's spying on its own citizens, it also helps Aljazeera by linking prominently to Al Jazeera stories such as one on US allegedly running prisons in other countries. So I clicked and see Al Jazeera commenters are quite the LLL internationalist US hating kind.
Google is just covering all its bases in the moonbat/jihadi universe.

Spooky enough that when you use g-mail, ads relating to what you are talking about in your e-mails appear on the right side.

Funny, that their "constructive engagement" talk is so similar to the stuff that Ronald Reagan said that was so unformally condemed by left wing human rights activists.

Testing Firefox

So they refuse to honor ANY of our veterans on Memorial Day [spit], but they WILL kowtow to the Chinese.

Nice.

@160 Havoc

Try using about blank for your homepage.

#157 Powderfinger:

Sweeping, bigoted, factually baseless generalizations from AI are nothing new. But then, you and anyone who has been reading her posts knows that.

SAN FRANCISCO - Online search engine leader Google Inc. has agreed to censor its results in China, adhering to the country’s free-speech restrictions in return for better access in the Internet’s fastest growing market.

Just normal leftist twisted logic.

#167 Jheka

Yeah, I know. But I'm recalling a time when you'd get your ass kicked around here for that sort of thing.

#169 Powderfinger

Yeah, I know. But I'm recalling a time when you'd get your ass kicked around here for that sort of thing.

The rational people are outnumbered now.

#169 Powderfinger

You made my day with that post! I'm still laughing. Not that the issue is funny mind you.

*smootches*

Reaganite

Ass Kicking became passe.. we are now kinder, gentler..

Bummer :{

#172 Amalie

we are now kinder, gentler..

Her spewing baseless accusations, the relentless homophobia and the ever present caps lock set on jihad is "kinder, gentler"?

we are now kinder, gentler..

#174 American Infidel

Jheka is a pinko commie, go ahead and find him...I figured out what Jheka was a long time ago, as I said I can spot/smell a Soviet product from light years away...

And infinitely stupider.

Ahh, the idiot just proved our point.

reaganite,

You're just soiling for a fight aren't you, you limp-wristed drunk.

#177 Geepers

You're just spoiling for a fight aren't you, you limp-wristed drunk.

Ok, you convinced me. I'm getting a beer.

And Powderfinger,

Boy is that all you got calling people "commies"?!?!?!?!?!?

LAME! ! ! !

Mmm. Beer sounds good.

#179 Geepers

Shouldn't that be "pinko commies"?!?!?!?

Or maybe "PINKO COMMIES"?!?!?!?!?!?!

#179 Geepers
YOU ARE ON IGNORE! ! ! !
That is, you will be once I say this, after this post, I think...

But only if I don't feel the need to insult you some more!

I can smell COMMIES from 100 light years away, ... but I don't like to brag.

I thought Archie Bunker was dead...

#183 Geepers

I can smell COMMIES from 100 light years away, ... but I don't like to brag.

Well, you are part of the LGF ELITE!?!?!?!?

Sarah D.,

Beer is good.

It’s not the job of private companies to pursue political agendas. Google’s mistake is not that they tailor their content to be able to sell in China, Saudi Arabia or the US. Google’s mistake is creating an image of themselves as somehow pure and moral superior. While this strategy may capture some customers in the short run, it always comes back to bite you in the tail. Always. Not that it’s doesn’t give me a nice warm feeling of schadenfreudeto to watch them stew in the own fat.

Anyway. It seems to me the Chinese government is tilting against windmills here. They might make it less likely that someone accidentally stumbles on some material considered harmful, but I doubt they can prevent someone looking for specific material from finding it. You just cannot open the door just a tiny bit. That’s what Gorbachev learned when it blew up in his face. It’s even pretty easy to find child porn if you want, and pretty much the whole globe is trying to censure that. Good luck China, in keeping out a whole bunch of material that is highly valued in much of the rest of the world. Not a chance

#184 Sarah D.:

Now, now, Archie Bunker had some redeeming qualities (I was just watching the All in the Family marathon). At least he owned a bar and served people tasty, tasty beer ... and he had Edith to rein him in.

AI is just a moron.

Well, I shouldn't say "just" a moron. Many morons are harmless and even occasionally loveable and not responsible for their idiocy, on account of being born morons ... AI is more than that. She is a sad, hateful, lonely bigot who knowingly spreads hate.

Like Fred Phelps minus the loving extended family.

Aren't you all just so glad that I exist...LOL...I just make your day...LOL...

No, nor really. If you weren't splashing shit around, I wouldn't have to worry about getting any of it on me.

So, no. Not at all.

I think this is one of the most depressing and, most of all, influential events of the past few days and weeks. More than 1.300.000.000 people have just lost yet another bit of freedom. Google's treason of its founding ideas in favor of plain old greed is disgusting. Personally, I think that Google can live without China, but China cannot live without Google, Microsoft, Yahoo! and the others. If those companies took a stance and jointly declared they would not obey the Chinese laws, they would win. China is currently trying, quite desperately I might add, to improve its image overseas, to appear to be a modernised, cutting-edge country. A country that doesn't have Microsoft, Yahoo! and Google definitely does not qualify as that, and that is why the Chinese would bow to the companies. I'm absolutely certain.

In addition, can Google really make a profit in China? Search engines don't make money, it's the ads that do. I don't think the market there can be that important, even for China.

#191 Patrizio:

I go back to George H.W. Bush pushing through Most Favored Nation status for China just weeks after the Tianamen Square massacre. I lost a lot of respect for him then. I think that that set a terrible precedent.

Hey reaganite! EOD is a bunch of pussies!

/SP trashing range geeks

*cracks cold beer*

#193 Powderfinger

SP trashing range geeks

At least we can shoot!

*cracks cold beer*
Cheers!

#187 Rune

Anyway. It seems to me the Chinese government is tilting against windmills here.

Ultimately, I think you're absolutely right. Being connected to the net is like being pregnant. You either are, or you aren't. They can't keep people "a little bit" connected, because someone will always find a way around the filter, eventually.

Goggle:

Yesterday - "Fuck those greedy evil Republican capitalist hypocrites!"

Today - "Censorship? No problems. Thanks for the billion China."

I am disappointed with Google.

#189 Jheka

Now, now, Archie Bunker had some redeeming qualities...

True.

AI is more than that. She is a sad, hateful, lonely bigot who knowingly spreads hate.

Also true.

*beer!*

#196 Geepers

Goggle:

Nevermind...

192 Jheka

You are absolutely correct. The Western reaction to Tiananmen was shameful, absolutely embarassing. Not only did the governments not cut diplomatic relations with the Communist dictatorship, but they actually did that thing you mentioned, or kept silent, or other things. Today, France is leading yet another greedy push to stop a shy arms embargo on China. The same China that publicly threatens both its own people and Taiwan with certain death if they dare rise to dignity.

Speaking of Taiwan, it reminds me of another painful choice, the usual case with China. It was idealist and right but difficult and surreal to recognise Taiwan as the only Chinese government. The United States had no choice but to recognize Communist China and give them the seat in the UNSC. Was it Nixon that did it? I'm confusing some of my "key China dates": 1960, 1969, 1976...

Anyway, I think those are some other cases of a conflict between working with the obvious stable government of gigantic China and recognizing its evil, totalitarian nature.

When are the rest of you Elite Pinko Commies coming to DC to raid the capitalist Brickskeller swine?

#201 Jheka

When are the rest of you Elite Pinko Commies coming to DC to raid the capitalist Brickskeller swine?

I'd love to, but Ann got a job

She's a splitter!

Powderfinger (#195),

They can't keep people "a little bit" connected, because someone will always find a way around the filter, eventually.

Yup, like LGF being banned in Saudi Arabia.

#200 Patrizio:

Let's remember that there is only one nation on earth that is not recognized by and is not given a voice at the UN ... it's not Syria or North Korea or Iran or even the Palestinian Authority ... it's democratic Taiwan. Damned shameful.

#201 Jheka

Expect this Pinko Commie Elite in August!

Disgusting. We have to hurt google, and hurt them bad.

#206 steveg:

Suggestions as to how?

#201 Jheka

I'm there two weekends from this one. Wanna drink?

#189 Jheka --

to rein him in.

[Hugs Jheka in sheer gratitude at seeing proper usage]

Here, have one of my brother-in-law's wonderful home-brewed oatmeal stouts!

Hypocrite google scum.

#208 Powderfinger:

Absolutely!

#209 Empire 1:

Squad leaders teach good English at indoctrination and infiltration camps, da?

#9, I have been using Teoma for years instead of Google. While Google returns thousands of more links than Teoma, most are duplicates or not related to what I am looking for. I get far better results with Teoma, and only resort to Goggle if Teoma comes up dry.

Americans like everything Super-sized! From hamburgers and fries to their toilet paper... for the fattest butts in the world. Cheaper is better. America FOR SALE!

So big deal if the Chinese are enslaving their f87878king people who seem to have no right to being "human beings" As long as they make goods for America at micro-prices, no one gives a damn. Lock them up in factories for 12 hours a day. We want cheap running shoes, underwear, bras, condoms, whatever!

So Google like Walmart, and dozens of other corporate giants are all in it for the money. $$$hit on freedom.

All all those billions & trillions of US $$$ China's raking in? Well, soon there will sell off them off in favor of the Euro and the US economy will implode.

The Chinese are NOT STUPID. BUT Google and fat-butt Americans are.

China is building better missile systems with all those US bucks and within 5 years will invade Taiwan.(not to mention all the covert dealings with North Korea & Iran & Syria & Russia)

They will then give the big finger to Uncle Sam & thank him for building up their economy.

It's not just Google, it's the entire American corporate and social culture.

Super Size me! Cheaper is better! Lard me up!

China soon will! And Amerika will be left eating Dunkin Donuts puffballs.

Bossman

Howard Dean, err Bossman, it's not that the owners of Google should or should not make billions of dollars in China, it's that I believe they're the ultra libs who knock on the greed of "corporate amereica" and then turn and do the same thing. And then there is the whole freedom of speech / expression angle. Being libs you'd think that they would honor these ideas, but no, they are looking to maximize their profits.

And by the way, are all the employees of Google Union? I would hope so.

#213 Bossman:

So, you don't care for America, then? And it's spelled America ... with a "c," not a "k."

I prefer Dunkin Donuts' coffee to their baked goods and pastries and whatnot. But that's just me.

Jheka, email me, por favor! I can't find your addy.

Bossman (#213),

And Amerika will be left eating Dunkin Donuts puffballs.

But wait a minute, I thought the Amerikan economy will have imploded, won't all the Dunkin Donuts be closed?

And even if they're not who'll have enough money to buy them.

211 Jheka --

Da, da, LGF-tovarishch! Now how can we get squad leaders over here to teach proper English to Americans?

#216 Powderfinger:

Check your e-mail.

#218 Empire 1:

first we bring down the worldwide American hegemony ...

Then we may attempt the impossible ...

OK ... evenin' all ...

As has been pointed out, Clusty is a very good alternative to Google. I think it's just as thorough, maybe more so in search results.

It doesn't have the maps or the satellite photos, though.

Heh. Spot the difference when searching on "tiananmen square" on the Chinese Google and English Google

Now, where did all the tanks go?

Things like "independence taiwan" "protests", "democracy" also gives vastly different results.

And here's everybody's favourite WebLog:
[Link: www.google.com...]

#102 Ed Mahmoud

Mexican embassy in DC denies their Army is involved. I believe him, because we know how much respect the administartion of Vicente Fox respects our border.

Actually, this is a demonstrably true statement. The Mexican Embassy represents the Government of Mexico. The Government of Mexico belongs to the drug lords. The Mexican Army belongs to the drug lords. The Mexican Army can therefore not belong to the Government of Mexico, and QED the Embassy's statement is true--it is not, in fact, "their" army.

How ya like me now? :-)

#5 Skippy

Re: The woman in this NY Times article and her claim to be scared after googling "rent boy" and being shocked, shocked I say, at the seedy results:

NICE COVER STORY, YOU NASTY SKANK!

</flame off>

Google this: monopoly money

Every giant corporation eventually ends up kowtowing to the Almighty Dollar. Google is no exception, call them liberal, democrat or American Idols. The culture of buy, buy, buy and buy it cheaper and cheaper will eventually put the US economy in a tailspin. Go talk to a few Ford laborers who have worked their asses off for 20 years. Guess they'll be serving you Dunkin Donut Puffballs and make minimum wage with BIG SMILES ON THEIR FACES.

How about reuseable, recycable puffballs!

See most of you think this is an ATTACK ON AMERICA. AN A-BOMB. WELL IT IS... as in AWAKE!

Stop paying your celebrities and sports figures higher salries than the GNP of the countries that produce your cheap jock straps/thong underwear if you're a girl.

Buy American if can afford to. Demand giant corps who outsource to set up "humane" factories that are scrutinized and run by a rule book that lets employees have a pee break. Or else we (THE CORPORATION) don't do business with you.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. CHINA IS THE NEXT SUPERPOWER. KEEP BLOGGING. START CALLING ME NAMES. (typical) BUT READ SOME HISTORY BOOKS AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES OF WHAT'S GOING DOWN.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. And have a donut before their $5 a piece.

this is NOT A GOOGLE issue, it's a COPORATE AMERICA ISSUE (WITH A (C)

Bossman

There are probably thousands of US businesses throwing work China's way, without even the smallest concern for whether China is democratic, or allows free speech. These businesses don't hold China to any standards other than productivity!

How does this make Google, in particular, a sellout? Google may be a bunch of assholes, but in respect to China they're no worse than any other successful corporation doing business overseas.

I'm more curious to know how many American businesses stopped doing business with China because they didn't agree with their politics. Probably a lot of crickets out there...

Google is just showing their true LLL bias here. I think they relish the thought of helping to keep a billion people in tryanny's thrall.

I wonder if part of the program means that Google will also turn in those Chinese that repeatedly try to access the forbidden websites and words? Beria would be proud of Google were he alive today.

Bossman,

You don't post at dkos as Snuffleupagus do you?

I've never used Google anyway. I never found it any better than any other search engine.

Don't be evil [unles, of course your are well compensated for it].

I'm really torn on this one. I am reminded of the sage advice given by my step-father: "Never wrestle with a pig--you'll both wind up filthy, and the pig will just enjoy it anyway."

The pig in this case has a big red star on its ass, and it's a miserable business jut being in the same room with it. Yet we *are* in the same room with it, and there's no changing that.

It is very easy to say (as I want to say) that this is a clear-cut case of freedom vs. censorship and that the sides are clearly marked--there's no room in the middle so get right or be wrong. But this is not a book-burning, and it is not a closed room which is to be stocked only with approved materials.

Here are a few of my beliefs which make this a fuzzy issue for me:

o Google is the most powerful (publicly available) way to search the internet.

o No limited control scheme can ever completely succeed in meeting its goals. By this I mean that people can always find a way to beat the system when they system attempts to be more complicated than simply OPEN or CLOSED.

o Limited Google is therefore better than no Google for information access for people in China.

o Google is in a position where it cannot avoid getting filthy. On the other hand, Google is being incredibly hypocritical with its refusal to help the US Gov't.

Eh... GOtta go. Duty calls (at work) More later)

Mazurland Blog has a contest to find a new corporate motto for Google.