Will she survive?

Cry me a river...

A quagmire for American media these days.

First, firstie.

Hey...wasn't Bill Clinton giving a speech (ripping the Danes for excercising their freedom of speech) right down the raod from Jihad TV World Headquarters?

Jihadiette-in-training...?

*road

/PIMF

I thought that she was to be released when the female terrorist prisoners were released.

They were...

I can't believe that the kidnappers would go back on their word!

/You bet I can believe it!

Why is it , that only when the liberal press starts getting kidnapped, or injured (as in the case of Bob Woodruff) does the MSM suddenly stand at attention, and cry "Oh - this war is dangerous! Look how brave we are for doing our jobs."

Yeah well, how's come you're not saying that every frickin' night about the brave men and women in our Armed Forces.

Hypocritical leaches.

I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I tell you.

Saw her on Fox a few minutes ago and felt no sympathy. Does that make me a bad person?

oh well.

#9 - That's not to say I don't wish a good outcome for these people, because I do. I just think fair is fair.

Left-leaning journalists captured by jihadists remind of Daniel Pearl. Idealistic, wanting to tell both sides of the story, naively believing they'll be immune to threats. Perhaps its the Clintonesque inocculation called "I understand your pain!"

The left needs to get more left brain - right brain hemisphere balance, and understand its not all about us. Why do they hate us? Heck - they tell us why. Because we won't SUBMIT. Nutshell journalism.

If this gal loses her head, I will be sorry. Doubly sorry, too, the left will refuse to digest "why".

...show me the moral equivalence again lefties, and tell me one wrong equals another concocted wrong...again...I just don't hear it enough from you guys...

you tell me who's innocent and who isn't

but you saying it doesn't make it so

I do feel for her, she's finally realizing her idealism isn't reality.

My question is, are these people not aware of the dangers encountered when they volunteer to report from that part of the world? I am being rhetorical, of course.

#14 quark...Is she though? Is she realizing that the people she went to report on and defend against the American imperialists are actually the evil ones? I doubt it.

Whats her problem ? She went to Iraq on a "peace" mission to "help" victims abused by the american military...now the holy warriors dress her up as a muslima and want to martyr her...

What more could she ask for?

Jeez, Rachel Corrie would spit[spat] blood to be in her position...What an ingrate

Hey, one woman's truth is another man's Zionist propaganda. What's the MSM so worked up about? That the rule they apply to all the other victims of the Islamic death cult.

Memo to all the fifth columnists in the form of "peace activists", aid "workers" and "journalists":

When you eat with Satan, you better have a long spoon.

I have no sympathy for this woman. She went over there blinded by her anti-Americanism. To "make a difference" and to promote "change".

Ok, so I'm a BAD PERSON.

Does the sudden change in dress mean she converted? Or reverted?

Sure hope they don't release any bad guys (or do a payoff) to ransom her. She went over there because she loves terrorists. Fine. Her problem... she found them.

#20 St.P...Very good question. As I understand it, she is (or was) a Christian when she left to work there.

I don't actually mind the head scarf things myself and if it were culturally acceptable in my circle I'd probably wear one. Why do my hair when I could cover it up in some pretty fabric. LOL!

9 mw...very true...remember Bob Woodruff is a barking moonbat LLL traitor with a bad case of BDS who along with the other scum at ABC News never miss an opportunity to badmouth the military who had him in a hospital in 37 minutes risking their lives to save his

Release the girl, and we'll stop laughing at your religion.

/fingers crossed behind back

#20 st.p

Does the sudden change in dress mean she converted? Or reverted?

Neither. Looks better on al jizz

megscole64
prepka9

Ty. No idea either. Who in the heck knows. Had a flashback to Osthoff.

The Islamic male masterbation channel: aljazeera

Anyone doubt who she'll blame if/when she is released? Two letters: GW.

Nonetheless, I still hope she makes it out of this OK, although I fully understand some of you "bad people" who just don't care...

It's the evil imperialist America that that caused her capture, right?

She wouldn't be in the pickle she's in if it wasn't for George Bush, right?

Just like her father's plea to the "freedom fighters" that have her hostage...somewhere along the lines of "...they could use her to tell their story of their struggle..."

How many times are these guys going to tell the world their ultimatum of when they'll hack her head off & then change their minds, only to make another video of demands?

no...really...American infidel woman will die...this time!...no...seriously...

Sorry, if any American dies over there. But these civilians that go, know the risk!

Quote from Rush today on Bob Woodruff, and the attention the media pays to HIS injuries and heroism, while ignoring the stories of those wounded every day in battle, except to use those injuries as a propoganda tool against Bush's War:

At any rate, I have all the sympathy here in the world for Bob Woodruff, don't misunderstand, folks, I just think it is instructive to look at what it takes for these people to understand that this is real and that this is dangerous.

They run stories trying to impugn the character and the makeup and the intellect of the armed forces that volunteer to go over there. We've chronicled these stories for you, at least in newspapers over the past year. They're a bunch of hayseeds, they're a bunch of hicks, they don't have any future because they live in America; and as everybody knows, it's 1930s in the American economy, so there is no future. These people are so dumb and stupid they can barely get out of high school, much less have a chance to go to college, and so the Army and running the risk of getting killed, why, that's the only chance these people have.

How many stories, if there were one there were 20 that we chronicled last year. You know, we get all of this attention -- and I don't mind it -- all this attention paid when an anchorman gets hit, but the average story of a car bomb in Iraq is how the insurgents are winning, how we don't know how to win the peace, but we never get stories of the wounded American man and woman in uniform, not like this. The disparity here in how reality is defined and how it is even felt, is quite stark.

She is a lefty tool, from a lefty town (ann arbor, MI), indoctrinated with lefty psychobabble, who has encountered the real world. This ain't some kind of Kumbaya club of self-affected lib elites. If this pathetic little St. Pancake of a journalist survives, then she'll become another Sheehan.

I say no negotiations and let her captors meet their POS, illiterate, child-molesting, nutjob in hell.

Dont forget the other 4 Christian " Peace Activists" who may shortly be dispatched to Paradise by the muhjadeen...

I heard their family and friends held a vigil for them in Vancouver as a "protest against the occpation!"

Hows that for mental illness..

This Jill Carrol is getting a lot of airtime for her 'excursion gone bad'.

When was the last time you saw the MSM follow a soldier's story? When have they documented that, and played it on an endless loop?

Not since Jessica Lynch.

Since we don't have an active open thread, I'd like to go OT early.

Hugh Hewitt is playing a Teddy Kennedy tape from today. And just when you thought Teddy couldn't outdo himself...

If I interpet this correctly, I think the trustfund boy is saying that all civil rights legislation from the past 50 years will be ruled unconstitutional due to Alito.

And something about Hurricane Katrina. I don't know, he sounds like the crazy old guy at the nursing home.

Did I miss something? I don't think she's a dogmatic moonbat like the CPT hostages.
I know the Osthoff situation makes a very good case for the fake hostage scenario (which I think is very likely in the CTP case) but I haven't seen anything yet to lead me to believe that this situation is the same?
Enlighten me.

This stuff burns me up to no end. I'm going to go get a drink and eat some ribs.

#20 st.p
Does the sudden change in dress mean she converted? Or reverted?

Doubtful. I heard/read reports after the first story about her, that she often wore local women's dress to blend in & appear more acceptable so she could get Iraqis to talk to her.

Sure she also is very aware of America's doctrine of not negotiating with hostage takers too!

Maybe Jack B should go in & save her.

That is about as close to reality of her being released alive.

She doesn't have the commie connections like the Italian reporterette that was released before.

#35 killgore...

It seems to be that she went over there to report on how evil Americans were ruining Iraq and oppressing the people there. In other words, she went there to propogandize for the enemy. I'm sure she was actually kidnapped, but she still sympathizes for their cause.

OT Re Ted and Katrina, I see that Hilary has been bashing Bush for deliberately not aiding NO fast enough inorder to make NO white and GOP. She actually says this stuff and wants to be taken seriously.

33 ABCNEWS tonight devoted nearly 20 minutes to IEDS, military trauma care, Rehab etc...for almost 3 years the could care less when our soldiers were injured...What vermin..

Killgore Trout
Hey!

I am having some flashbacks as she appeared in Islamic garb. Just had thoughts of Osthoff. We will wait and see.

I don't know anything about Ms. Carroll or her politics. I read one story of hers; oddly enough, it was about the dangers of being a journalist in Iraq, and it was perfectly balanced and fair. It held my interest.

I actually don't care what her politics are. She is doing a job - a job that many American and allied reporters are doing - a job that I make use of when I read news or watch the news. I am pissed off. I hate the kidnappers guts that they snatched an American, that they snatched a reporter, and that they snatched a woman. I am pissed off that they have held her. I am pissed off that they made her cry and forced her to make an appeal. I get pissed off every time a reporter is snatched. I hope the kidnappers get caught and punished - by Marines, preferably. I pray for Ms. Carroll's safe return also.

#38 megscole64
I find the Christian Science Monitor to be a fairly reputable paper. They lean left sometimes and right others. If she was working for Mother Jones it would be a different story.
I haven't checked out her previous writtings but it seems to me that many here are jumping to the conclusion that she's the press, therefore a moonbat.

ted
Gtrea post. The hypocrisy is exposed. I am still reeling from my Muslim students sending me the damned email with that pic in it of the so-called dead Pali. Did they ever send me one showing brutality towards the corpses of U.S. soldiers. Hell no! I am sick of this.

Woodruff hurt by a roadside bomb? But wait, the media has been claiming that they are being targeted by US troops.

Screw Woodruff. US troops probably risked themselves to get his sorry ass to the hospital. He will reward them no doubt with more treasonous rantings that pass as "news" in the MSM.

The MSM is the enemy. They are more dangerous to America than Al Quaeda.

Watched the Kennedy meltdown video...imagine if he bashed the window of the Oldsmobile as hard as he did the podium today ?

#41 St. Pancake
Howdy!

Her video statement and garb aren't surpising to me. If I were in her shoes they'd have me in a tu-tu saying the same stuff.

41 St. Pancake

I had an immediate uh oh feeling with the German woman. I don't get that with this woman. It does cross one's mind, and we shall see.

When she was laid off from her newbie reporter job at WSJ, Ms. Carroll moved to Jordan to get into freelance work. This was a couple of years ago. I therefore am thinking the headgear may be the result of her location. I've seen several prominent women reporters with the headgear on (though usually not that ethnic-looking).

I just am not getting the uh oh vibe. Hence, I worry for her safety. (I didn't with the German, and it turned out I was right that time.)

IN WSJ a story from a moderate Muslim woman on why she has to leave Sweden because of these creeps:

On Leaving Home...Again

Moderate Muslims *cannot* go up against these killers anymore than the average Irishman could go up against the IRA and not get killed.

Europe made this problem and they'll have to solve it -- not all the Muslims they so conveniently invited in to work for slave wages and now don't know what to do with.

Europeans don't make room for others. They isolate them.

Was it Rummy or Cheney who called them Old Europe?

Killgore Trout
Ok, I will go with the flow.

BTW, I sang "Happy Birthday" to Wolfgang in class last week!

#38 megscole

It seems to be that she went over there to report on how evil Americans were ruining Iraq and oppressing the people there. In other words, she went there to propogandize for the enemy. I'm sure she was actually kidnapped, but she still sympathizes for their cause.

I was under the impression that Jill Carrol was simply an ambitious and somewhat inexperienced reporter chasing a big story. Where's the evidence that she went there as a propagandist for the jihadis? After all, she was filing for the Christian Science Monitor, not for Al Jazeera or Al Arabiya. Please enlighten me if there's anything to show that she wasn't merely a somewhat naive reporter who got unlucky.

#45 rayra 1/30/2006 05:00PM PST

Maybe he's funnelling the $$ to MoveOn...or Kos...they're experts ya know.

46..SH He was in a hospital within 37 minutes ! Our soldiers risking their lives to save someone who hates their guts!

I hope that the next person that cries about the U.S. killing " innocent civilians " chokes to death on their own tears.

#51 dymphna
It was Rumsfeld and they wanted his scalp for it

Oy,

I just read that the EU is caving into funding Ham-ass. If true, the U.S. isn't far behind. Linky link to those who stink!

53 "Where's the evidence that she went there as a propagandist for the jihadis? After all, she was filing for the Christian Science Monitor"

Thats enough evidence for me...

Rayra

I discussed that very thing with my seniors today. Wish you had been there. It started out with a discussion of Utopia. Then it evolved into ideology of Utopianism. From there, we then discussed radicalism of Utopianism and Socialism. From there, we went to touchy feely attitudes of today. I even used the term "kumbaya philisophy" to describe the current trend of shielding our children from thinking independently as it involves going against the current grain of PC. I may not be too clear as I am tired, but hopefully you get the point.

#42 Cattt

Amen! If nothing else, this situation (apparently, briefly) united some of the 'Mythical Moderate Muslims' into saying "hey wait, you've gone too far"...
Hopefully, this story will have more 'hang time' than Perl, Berg, or Schiavo (ie, stories that were all the rage, briefly)

She's an AMERICAN, and regardless of her politics, she was simply doing a job she felt she needed to do. I have little respect for the MSM that sit here and flap their filthy gums, but quite a bit of respect for this woman, who did in fact risk her own life to do her job.

Lighten up on her politics please, and say a prayer that these animals aren't doing the things we all know they are doing when the camera turns off.

I fear the tears are real, and this poor tortured soul is living a hell most of us will never know or understand.

To use a quote I have seen here before..."I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure."

55 ted

That's a pretty fair description of a soldier's job, in many cases, unfortunately. 'Twas ever thus. It was certainly that way when I was in ROTC - when we were on the road or in the public eye, a number of people pretty much treated us like something on the bottom of their shoe.

That's one more reason to make sure our military knows we support them and love them.

One of the video clips run on FOX of this woman before the kidnapping shows her eating dinner at a dining room table and she is wearing the hijab. Mind you the front of her hair is visible and she was eating so maybe she'd pushed it back to eat...but it seems she is a willing day-tripper to Islam, anyway.

#57 bonz

I'll bet they did! No one likes to hear the ugly truth.

#44 st. p

I am still reeling from my Muslim students sending me the damned email with that pic in it of the so-called dead Pali.

This is a tribal religon. The tribe Islam. Sunni Islam. Arab Sunni Islam. Wahabbi Arab Sunni Islam.

I read some of the comments. I'm confused. Can someone please explain the slang term "woodie" used in the context of why Islamist would put a hijab on her?

Who cares? She went there... her problem...

The press seems to believe they are above it all... Well they aren't!

#68 Judith

An erection, ok?

prepka9

"Pointing to my neck" Up to there with the demonstration of more concern for a dead foreigner than a dead G.I coming from U.S. citizens.

Oh...

hadn't heard that expression before.

OT

Its official, Republicans are racists.

Guess they didnt ask me to take the survey. Me, who is helping to raise my sisters three little girls. Girls who have a black father. They are like my own kids, Id jump in front of a bus for them.

Me, who grew up in the California public school system, being educated alongside every know ethnic group know to man. Funny thing was I didnt even know there was such a thing as racial problem untill I got to highschool and our teachers started telling us there was one.

Russians, Vietnamese, Samoans, blacks, Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, American Indians, ... all these and many more have been and continue to to be my friends, my family, my neighbors, my co-workers. I consider myself to be blessed to have been born and lived where and when I have.

Never before in the history of man have there been such a confluence of races and cultures than in California in the 20th-21st centuries. Even here in boring Sacramento there are eateries of every imaginable ethnic origin. Ive worked with Panamanians, my neighbor is from Georgia, my brother in law is Indian, the guy I often sit next to on the train to work is a Sikh. It is an absolute kick to meet people here.

But forget all that. I vote Republican there for Im a bigot. GOD! It makes my blood boil! Short of being accused of being a child molester I cant imagine a worse slur. And the most infuriating part is there is now way to prove that Im otherwise.

I swear as soon as they build that space elevator Im blowing this soda stand.

#49 Cattt

Living in the Iraqi capital, Carroll followed the practice of many Western female journalists and wore the head covering known as a hijab and a head-to-toe covering called an abaya. Her sister Kathryn kept a blog of Carroll's adventures that featured a picture of Jill in her standard, Iraq-inspired work attire.

LA Times

sometimes the best intentions leave one to end up as nothing but bait

Jill Carol's writting...
Ordinary Iraqis bear brunt of war

Seems like a fair enough peice of reporting if you ask me. It could be interpreted as anti-insurgent. No over the top claims of US warcrimes and neocon imperialism.

#68 judith

see:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Any thoughts on tonight's line up?

What's a poor boy sans TIVO to do? 9pm - Fox: Jack Bauer/24, A&E: Flight 93. Too bad, I can't clone myself.

#45 Rayra -- "OT - DEAN UNDER FIRE FROM PARTY DEMS; NEARLY ALL CASH SPENT [Drudge]
Party is furious that the DNC has only $5M in the bank compared to RNC's $34M - with the Mid-Term Election campaigns weeks away from going 'hot'."

The Clintons control the DNC. Dean is passing time until the real election begins and his job is to stroke the ultraleft base of the party. Money is not flowing because Hillary's people have told their contributors to hold back until she is ready. The DNC contribution base is largely made up of a handful of plutocrats, answerable to their patron saint Hillary (and her sidekick Bill).

When the time is right, Hillary will announce she is a candidate, she will give the nod and the money will rush in like a dam had burst. The Deaniacs will be silenced. She will be perceived as the savior of the DNC -- no one will be able to stop her.

Dean isn't the architect of this current faux crisis in DNC funding.

rayra
Exactly. Did get my kids to admit that this shit (not the term used in class)has never worked, and will never work! I used the stats that 100 million died trying to bring about a communist Utopia. I am hitting harder thatn I ever have before. Here in Texas, that is not as difficult as say Boulder, Ann Arbor, Frisco, Madison and other various moonbat cities.

I do feel bad for her, I really do.

But this was another one who went slumming, who thought it was cool to go native and sashay around the Muddle East in a hijab, talking the trash talk and making a pretty good living into the bargain, a reporter who thought she had some kind of immunity because of her sympathy for the people, a bridge-builder who never thought she could fall victim to intolerance, a Westerner with too much Aladdin jinn dust in her eyes, perhaps not a dupe, but a useful fool.

May she come home the wiser and not be another Burton or Fisk.

Bubbaman
This explains why I have Tivo. :)

Hm... since the average make acoutrement spends two hour a day in the ah... "wooden state" normally...these guys are really messed up in the head, er wooden parts.

#79 Bubbaman

Who needs TV when you have LGF?

Any female does/should know of the risks involved. Anyone, including myself, fully know of the risks involved in living in Islamic ratholes. This explains why I chose to leave after a friend of mine was killed in 1993. I chose safety over the high pay.

St. Pancake, I didn't know you had personal experience. What country?

Cato

Algeria, actually. 1992-early 1994. Experienced the after effects of the god-awful elections there.

#63 stonemason:

You had it exactly right ... until that last sentence.

The lack of basic human empathy on this thread is ...

well, it's sad.

Whatever her politics may or may not be, she's an American. She's a woman. She's a human being. Part of what is supposed to differentiate us from the animals that we are fighting is that we don't assign value to human life based upon a person's profession or on whether their political ideology perfectly meshes with our own.

This is a woman who is suffering a terrible fate. Who saw a man murdered in front of her. Who may have been tortured and abused. Who does not know whether she will live another week or day or hour and what I see from some people is on par with Kos' loathesome "screw them" sentiments.

Shame on those of you who seem to have forgotten that Jill Carroll is a human being with a family and friends who are going through hell. Someone who's life holds tremendous promise and potential to experience and give joy. Someone who, if she is not murdered, may someday be a loving wife, a caring mother and is probably already a much loved friend, daughter and sister.

Shame on those of you who have judged the worth of this woman's life by your interpretation of what the editorial policy of the publication that she worked for might be. There is a moral chasm between our enemies and most of us in the West ... but the comments in this thread suggest that, with respect to some of you, that chasm is barely a crack.

I can see now, in my mind's eye, the highly astute jihadis sitting around on a dirty floor discussing how to get Bush to release some prisoners and gain some Jihad TV face time in the bargain...

Jihadi #1: Achmed! I have it! We snatch some reporter and threaten to cut her head off! Surely, Butcher Bush will fall to his knees and beg Allah for forgiveness, wouldn't you?

Jihadi #2: Yes! Yes! Hadji, that is brilliant! Surely, that will work on Bush! I wonder why nobody ever thought of that before. It cannot fail! We will bring Bush crawling on his belly begging us not to hurt the woman! He will instantly bow to our wishes!

Jihadi # 3 Uh, guys...

Hey, Jheka, long time (yeah, all my fault, barely enough time to skim the articles, much less the comments)

Well said, as usual! ((-'pb

#79 Bubbaman

What's a poor boy sans TIVO to do? 9pm - Fox: Jack Bauer/24, A&E: Flight 93. Too bad, I can't clone myself.

A& E's 'Flight 93': From Tragedy to Tripe, Nonstop

/for what it's worth

# 88 St. Pancake

Woof ! That's a lot worse than the gulf. Don't blame you for leaving there, especially if you were in Algiers.

An American muslima moonbat wannabee is still an muslim moonbat no matter how you cut it...

Jill Caroll as a reporter for the CSM goes to Iraq and dresses in a hijab to appease the headchoppers but they dont fall for her schtick...Check out the photo

Sorry no sympathy for her

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#91 Pete:

Hey! You going to the game this Sunday?

#43 Killgore Trout 1/30/2006 04:59PM PST
#53 truthteller 1/30/2006 05:05PM PST

My impression from hearing her father and mother interviewed and reading other information about her is that she does not support the war or the American efforts in Iraq and that she went to Iraq to "tell the other side." What other side could that be other than the terrorists?

The "other side" is the side that doesn't want to take responsibility for a Democratic and peaceful Iraq. They aren't the ones running for office (and risking their lives doing so).

Granted, I haven't really paid THAT much attention to this situation but my sympathy is not raised by a woman who went over to tell the "other" side of the story. I'd have just as little sympathy for a woman who went to tell the Nazi's side of things in WWII and was captured...although I wonder if the Nazi's would actually treat a woman reporter better than these crazies.

The Democrats reach out to another group of potential voters.

#94 ted:

Don't say that you're sorry. You're not.

You are what you are. There are plenty of people like you on both sides.

Mike C.
It started out as relatively fine, then progressively worsened. It was memorable seeing the increasing number of bearded ones. I learned to keep my face down whenever I spotted them. The vibes in the markets definitely changed too. Still had friends, but they were also concerned about their own well-being. I was actually in a compound about 30 minutes or so from Oran.

89 Jedka spare me from your moral equivalencies and turpitudes

Mr E. Train

God bless you for being the parent you didn't have to be to your three nieces and for loving your neighbors as He commanded.

But, to the link you posted, I say phooey! I'm sure it's just another way of manipulating to get the results they wanted. And, their 130,000 'white' volunteers volunteered online. How do they even know they were white?

Jheka...I reserve my sympathy for those who root for the side of right to win. I do not know that she does. As I stated above, from the interviews from friends and family, she isn't over there to tell the American story...or even the Iraqi story...the story of those Iraqis who want a democratic Iraq.

#97 Paul

Why my mommy is a democrat

wow the brainwashing starts early these days.

Fwiw..my desk calander informs me that today is the first of Muharram. What is it...and why is it on my calander?

#81 St. Pancake (OT)

Hey... what do you mean... "difficult as say Boulder."

Boulder is a very open-minded place. Where else do you know that hangs plastic-peni in the public library... but refuses to hanf an exhibet dealing with the American flag... where else can you have the most deaths at a college from drinking... Where else do you know that you are safe from second-hand cigarette smoke even on the city streets...

/oops... ok... never mind... I see what you mean.

Walter in Golden, Co. (just down the road from the People's Republic of Boulder)

Bah. As far as I'm concerned the "freedom fighters" can have her, assuming this is not another staged kidnapping on the order of Osthoff. Another LLLefty tool who is more than willing to blame the evil imperialistic neo-cons and Bu$hitler for her plight, and not the animals who took her.

As for Woodruff, ABC sent him to Iraq merely for the purpose of pimping him as the next Jennings and getting a leg up on Brian Edwards and whomever CBS will hire for their evening news. Of course that now looks like a foolish decision. I have read Woodruff basically got his face blown off, so if it's true his time onscreen will end.

98 you're absolutely right...im not

no sympathy for her

Anyway, while there, there were some memorable attacks. The ones that really bothered me was the slaying of a very elderly nun and priest and the attack upon the Yugoslavians at Blida. There, the attackers asked each Yugo if they were Christian or Muslim. Those who said "Christian" had their throats slashed.

al Jazeera tape:

Zawahiri's message: "your -US- assessment is wrong, we're winning"

Walid Phares

The new Zawahiri videotape released by al Jazeera today shows a sophistication in the propaganda war waged by the Jihadists worldwide against the US and its allies. Designed to "crumble" the morale of the American public and "boost" the commitments of the Jihadi forces, the tape is another attempt to score points in the War of ideas and media. The results were immediate in the West. The Associated Press immediate leads were stunning: 1) Zawahiri proves he wasn't killed by the US strike, therefore he scored one point against the US. 2) He labeled his enemy, the US President, as "butcher of Washington," hence attempting to rally the widest anti-American axis as possible AP lead. But the tape is not just that, another message from the number two in al Qaida. It is a very well orchestrated political offensive aimed at the nervous centers of the "enemy's public. A shot that may preceed action or asking for it. Here are the ingredients:

The tape shows al Zawahiri addressing the Arab Muslim world and the West at the same time. "Exclusive" to al Jazeera, which controls the timing of the airing of the tape and the selection of the the commentators it gathers to share with the public their "analysis" of the message, the speech is structured thoroughly al Jazeera lead

First, the Pakistan component. Al Jazeera summarized:

[Link: counterterror.typepad.com...]

# 99 St. Pancake

It was pretty grim there for a while. The only places in the gulf that ever got that bad were Kuwait, Iraq and Iran during the actual wars. I have a friend who was working in Tehran when the Shah fell. His first job out of college. He decided maybe he could do something else, somewhere else.

Boulder is a very open-minded place

Yeah, so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

Same goes for Berzerkely, San Franfreakshow, ANn Arbor, and the People's Republic of Madison.

OT - kinda

Did anyone catch this Al-Guardian article from Hamas sympathiser Azzam Tamimi - Hamas will make a deal. Does anyone expect anyone to believe this twisted mofo? I like his Holocaust reference too (sarc).

At a time like this, there is but one question:

What Would Jack Bauer Do?

#96 megscole64
Check out #77 ( and if you have a solon subscription Jill Carroll's Iraq dispatches - I haven't read these). I don't think she's an anti-war activist posing as a reporter. She seems reasonable enough to to me, though you might feel differently.
I don't think she's a useful idiot (Osthoff, Sargena (Sp?), Cpt Hostages) so I fear for her safety. She's doing dangerous work but that doesn't mean that she deserves whatever she gets.
From what I've read of her reporting she doesn't seem to be telling things from the insurgent point of view, praising the jihadis, or condemning the US.

Lol, Walter. :D

"People's Republic of Boulder" Very witty!

#111 Apu Pibat

You did read my whole post... I was trying to be funny...

Walter in Golden, Co (I hate Coors)

89 Jheka

Yes, you are right, and I stand humbled. The last sentence was, and is, born of frustration over this whole mess. I find myself thinking the whole of the area needs to be cleansed, but that cheapens me, and I try to think of the children, the boys and girls born into that life. It saddens me that I allowed myself to wish for the demise of a culture...

It is hard, living here in this Country to not judge others by our high standard. I will never understand it, I simply can not. Do we really want to see Islam wiped out? Is there a hope that the less radical adherents will temper the nut-jobs? Has Christianity managed that? Or Judaism?

I think our children will be asking these same questions, as will their children...until we allow this to spiral into a war that will re-define humanity, re-define all that humans stand for. But until that day comes, we will have to deal with evil, trying our best to keep our heads above the fray, our morals intact, and our God in heaven where he belongs.

No, I don't want to nuke them all, and I will try to slow down before I post...adding to the violent rhetoric is no help at all.

Sure hope she didn't have an epiphany just prior to being kidnapped. Or maybe has had one now.

Won't do any good, if her head is missing. Or if she's so traumatized by being gang-raped that she's a nut case.

It could have happened, we don't know.

I hope she's comes home safe.

#95 Jheka
Hey! You going to the game this Sunday?

Hell, no! See it much better at the favorite watering hole, in hi-def, w/ $8 pitchers as opposed to $8 beers... (ok, don't KNOW they are that much, but...). For the next week or so, most folks I know who don't have to be there are avoiding that part of town like a Sheahan festival... Imagine, all the usual f'd up traffic, compounded by folks w/ no clue as to where they are, where they want to be, or how to get there. And, none too sober... Remember, when it comes to driving in (or around) Detroit, the motto is "Crunch all you want, we'll make more..."
Now, don't get me wrong, if I fell into a ticket I'd be there in a heartbeat - but ain't NO way I'm gonna PAY for the aggrevation.
Was down that way on Sat night, tho, and was all swept up nice, and places were hopping. Was lucky to pay 'only' $10 to park in an alley for a bit...

106 Exactly...While i wish Woodruff a speedy recovery he is still is a snraky LLL moonbat elist lefty with BDS

I suppose I’ll get kicked to the curb for this. Won’t be the first time. I find it highly disappointing that some folks on this thread seem to be shrugging off this person’s potentially brutal demise with a “who friggin’ cares” attitude. I almost sense from a couple of comments here that if she gets whacked/chopped/hacked she had it coming. I note that some of the more seasoned, responsible Lizards have tempered their feelings on this, which I personally appreciate that. Come on folks – we can do better than that here in LGF! Regardless of what you think of the MSM, the left or this woman’s personal convictions, she is and American citizen, she is a non-combatant, and most importantly – she’s a freakin’ human being! To any of you who (G-d forbid) might actually find some sense of satisfaction or vindication of your political ideology in Jill Carrol’s captivity and possible execution – I truly pity you. Try on a little humanity for size, and see if it fits. Just my humble opinion.

#104 BignJames:

Fwiw..my desk calander informs me that today is the first of Muharram. What is it...and why is it on my calander?

No idea why it would be on your calendar. The first of Muharram is the first day of the month of Muharram in the Hejri Calendar. (The Hejri Calendar is based on the lunar year so the months don't have a fixed correspondence to our calendar.)

megscole64:

A person's worth as a human being and, more importantly, our capacity to feel empathy for them as fellow human beings, should not be contingent upon the degree to which they support the war or their views on abortion or what books they like to read.

I know many wonderful people who are passionately anti-war (and nearly as many completely despicable people who are very much pro-war). I knew them and cared for them long before I'd ever so much as heard of Iraq. These are people that I had ALWAYS disagreed with on virtually every political issue and who have nevertheless been my dear friends for decades.

I feel sorry for people who are so tragically crippled that they are unable to feel normal human emotions towards a fellow human being unless they first check an ideological checklist. Many DUers are like that. Many Kos Kids are too. Sadly, the same thing obviously goes for some of the people who post here.

What would J Bauer do? Watch at 9 fox

Mike
I would not have enjoyed being in Tehran when the Shah fell. Oh, hell! I know where your friend is coming from. Give me China any day over the alternative.

#105 Walter L. Newton
Yep, right in the middle of cowboy country, Boulder is a little piece of moonbat heaven. FULL of Rabid, snot slingin, howl at the moon LLL's. I was stunned.

There is a time & place for everything.
A war zone is neither the time nor place for a chick reporter.

St. Pancake,
Were you teaching at embassy schools? I grew up attending US embassy schools overseas and they have some of the best teachers I've ever had (and well paid from what I understand)

#100 ted:

I'm not talking to you. That's obviously a waste of time. I'm talking about you. I'm making a general point and you make a handy foil.

Hey, Reb!

#128 RebTex

Men reporters ain't doin' so good either.

133 ploome

is Jheks running for the Nodrog spot

No, he's making a well-reasoned argument to support his position. We may agree or disagree with him, but he is not similar to Nodrog.

#121 Cartman

Well... I would say she certainly had it coming. Think about it... you go to some place to cover cannibalism. You're there 2 years... you see them eating people but you stick around... for what ever reason.

And then you get eaten.

She's been there over 2 years... she has seen what they do with folks that seem to be on their side... yet she sticks around.

No... that doesn't excuse the terrorist or what ever... but she was an adult, hopefully in full use of her senses...

Yep... she had it coming... period.

Walter in Golden, Co (I live in a garden apartment, half way below ground... but I have a great view of the Rocky Mountains... if I lay down on my right side on the livingroom floor, squint my eyes... and turn off all the lights)

Here comes the nerve gas

St. P
Hey there!

133 Apparently so

#126 St. Pancake

I would not have enjoyed being in Tehran when the Shah fell.

I had a American friend that was. A Iranian Army officer helped him get out.

Killgore Trout

Taught the children of the arch-enemy of Kos and Du, lol! The job was with Kellogg, now a part of Brown & Root/Haliiburton!

#117 Stonemason:

Well said, sir. I really appreciate your post.

Engineer]

Whew! He has stories to tell!

# 126 St. Pancake

I first met and worked with him in Bolivia, and that's not turned out well, either. He's now safely esconced in Houston.

#102 megscole64

I reserve my sympathy for those who root for the side of right to win. I do not know that she does.

Thanks for clarifying. I think there's a big difference between being a propagandist for the jihadis (Al Jazeera) and being an ordinary reporter who is simply trying to cover the story.

I wouldn't wish Jill Carrol's fate on anyone and I think it's sad that some people here seem to think her life is worth so little merely because she wasn't a cheerleader for the war. Has it ever occurred to you that even if she worshipped this administration she would not be doing her job right if she allowed that to influence her stories?

It's true that the MSM gets a lot wrong and tends to be softer on the crazies than I would like. But I'm also glad that there's a whole spectrum of news and opinion to choose from. If I were looking for uniformity I'd move to Saudi Arabia.

Killgore Trout

Good pay and nifty travel opportunities!

#127 maddog44

You got it. A Few years ago I was promoting a 60's/70's wacked out comic/piano player for a concert I had arranged in Denver.

We had an interview with the rock-n-roll reporter at the Daily Camera.

The kid was 22 years old. My talent was all over him... cracking jokes... answering his questions with rabid ramblings... I even had a dominatrix scheduled to come in to interupt the interview.

The guy freaked out. He was ranting and raqving about how he went to college in Boulder and this is not the way to run an interview and he was not goiing to put up with it... he was almost crying.

No... I didn't get my 2 page spread in the Fri. entertainment section... but boy... it makes me wonder if any of these idiots leave Boulder... what are they going to do in the real world.

Walter in Golden, Co (Gateway to the West)

Jack is in danger!

I wa on Fort Bragg today and was reading the post newspaper. Unfortunately the article won't be available online for a week or two. Maybe someone can find it (I tried)

Seems four jihadis in Iraq had a work accident while setting up an IED and hurt themselves.

Guess who they went to for help?

#132 Sarah D.

"Full Point!"
/some early combat video game

#132 Sarah D

Men reporters ain't doin' so good either.

Heh. Thanks for pointing that out, Sarah D.

Mike C.

Too bad. I still would stick it out in China anyday though. I used to hear Malaysia was a good place to work in the industry. Is it still that way?

I've heard alot about Bob Woodruff and Jill Carrol, but who is Paul Ray Smith?

O.T.

Security Council to Review Iran Nuke Case

Link

130 Jheka Let me clarify something As you gaze down from your moral aery and pass judgement, I, not having sympathy for the Rachel Corries, Marla Ruzikas or Jill Carrolls of the world does not make any less human than you...empathy yes, sympathy no.. i know one thing, they are either outight terror supporters or ambiguous...but neither of the 3 had much sympathy for our side

*note to women everwhere:

Did you notice that hip headscarf? It's a wonderful blend of Monty Python madcap and Medieval chic, adorned with a smattering of very chaste embroidery.

Get it, girls. If you are ever going to get it, now is the time. This could be you if you continue to ignore the facts of life. Palestinian-hugging and islam-apologizing is a dangerous path.

Now, as a guy, well...it wouldn't be so bad. I'd grow a beard, beat the wife, sleep around...with kids. Of course I'd cuss allah under my breath. And I wouldn't have to wear that really cool, hood-looking, scarf thing.

#141 Jheka

Unfortunately in battle most people must dehumanize the enemy and turn off all empathy for them.
Though not actually shooting at those on the otherside of the political divide we are in a war for the culture of our society. Therefore anyone on the other side can not be as HUMAN as our side is. This might explain some of the vitriol that is being aimed at this reporter.
Here's hoping she comes home chastened but otherwise unharmed.

#149 Pete:

Karate Champ!

#156 cloneb:

Astute comment!

#140 St. Pancake
HA!

#128 Rebtex

A war zone is neither the time nor place for a chick reporter

Amen. I'm all for women's rights as I am a women...but I am not ignorant of biology and the great things each of our chromosomes bring to the table. Men are better in combat zones, women are better at patching them up.

Wow, St. Pancake, you're a brave soul. And Algeria is one of the better hell-holes. Imagine if you had lived in Saudi!

I had a tenant once who hailed from Algeria. Nice enough guy, a math grad student. Slight build, had a fiancee in Algeria.

I gave him a sofa that I didn't need anymore. Put it out on the landing for him to collect.

He came by with a friend at 12:30 in the morning and woke me up. Now, some of you may know I'm a bit irascible. And I don't sleep easily, so waking me up is a no-no, especially if it's something that a normal person would leave till the daytime.

So I stepped out of my apartment and said in no uncertain terms that the time was inappropriate.

Must have triggered the whole honor-shame thing, because the next day I got a handwritten note saying, among other things, that if I ever spoke to him like that again, he would kill me, eat my flesh and go to prison.

I took him seriously enough to call the police.

Needless to say, I did not renew the lease.

At some point later on I had to enter the his apartment while he wasn't there. On the coffee table was a mathematical treatise in English attempting to prove the perfection and divinity of the Koran by numerology.

I've pretty much decided that the Koran, like the Book of Revelation, drives people crazy.

#63 stonemason
I think you are right. This young girl is an lib, but by all accounts is an intelligent, nice person. Well-liked by all around her. I think the Jihadis jumped the shark on this one. A pointless kidnapping that will escalate to murder. Senseless even to the Muslims and the leftys.

#160 taterhead

Men are better in combat zones, women are better at patching them up.

Tell that to the female MP here in the 82nd Airborne with 23 confirmed kills.

#75 Mr. E. Train

I wouldn't read too much into that "study" if I were you. It is little more then LLL "junk science" to back up their beliefs. Follow the money to the truth, hun. I learned a long time ago to look where the funding of any "study" comes from and what the beliefs of the persons doing the studies are. Most of the people I know nowdays who have some really disgusting biases are the LLL's I know. They are fond of using the "N" word to describe any black person who is not marching in lockstep with Jessie, both Al's and the Democrats.

As for this pro Islamofacist propagandist...errr..."journalist" I thought they already chopped her head off. If not I can not understand why they haven't yet. My guess that this is nothing but a cheap propaganda stunt by this "journalist" and her jihadi buddies.

#157 Jheka
#149 Pete: Karate Champ!

YES!
(ca 1985, for the curious)
/Lucy V.Pelt

a link to some of those danish drawings I believe couldnt be found by some in an earlier link today

drawings

Wuh oh. Audrey is doomed.

# 121
Agreed.

156 c...Well said...As an American i cringe and am in pain everytime i hear one of our soldiers dies or is injured fighting for our security and freedom..While i hope Carroll isnt harmed, i respect but have no tolerance for her species

taterhead
I shoulda said reporters.
THe anguish of having a female held captive is mountainous.
As an American..& a Southerner at that, her Virtue is in question.

Kilgore

I think it is amusing too. Really hod not clue until I interviewed with them who they even were, lol! I was a shy little schoolteacher who was sent to interview by a fellow teacher of mine who realized I was burning out teaching the dregs I was teaching at the time. They were dregs of the greatest magnitude too. After she informed me of the job opening, I thought about it for awhile. After an armpit child called me a "bitch" for telling him I would be giving him a 0 for cheating, I made the fateful call to Kellogg.

Now the President is in danger

The [bigoted word]s have no trouble putting her on TV and showing her in torment, but note how they're careful to jam a hijab on her head to avoid transmitting any nasty hair rays.

Got damn their creed.

'24' update

WHOOOAAA!

UGGhhh!

"24" just jumped the shark. What a complete disappointment.

This years series has just been exposed as a evil "Rovian" plot to keep the oil flowing.

They lost me. Oh well, I get my Monday nights back.

Ted:

When the American contractors were murdered and mutilated by an Islamist mob, Kos said "screw them" because he did not like what they did for a living and disagreed with what he thought their politics might be.

You do not like what Jill Carroll did for a living and what you believe her politics might be and, therefore, you feel nothing for her suffering.

You and "screw them" Kos are political opposites. Morally, you're indistinguishable.

#170-RebTex

her Virtue is in question.

Now how many times have you said or thought that phrase...hmmm?

#75

Are you kidding? That "study" is nothing more than a bunch of fucking elitist lefty pricks justifying their self-superiority to all us flyover-country bumpkins who have sex with our cousins and thank the Lord for our beef-jerky dinners. Or something like that.

Tell me what you want to say and I'll make a study that says it. I could come out with a "study" that claims liberalism is a mental disorder which causes one to embrace socialism, cease bathing, and stand up for the absolute worst vermin society has to offer, and it would be a big steaming pantload. Even though it comes much closer to the truth than this "study" ever will.

Apologies for the gratuitous plug, but did anyone think about the similarities between
Jill C and Elizabeth Smart?

Jill Elizabeth - both victims of psychopaths..

no 2 liberals
Yeah...but it was ME on the prowl!
HA!

#176 Jheka

Well said.

#175-mich-again

They lost me. Oh well, I get my Monday nights back.

Join the club!
I turned it off half-way through last week.
We will still have to suffer through the constant updates, but at least we don't have to see it.

#156 Cloneb

Yes. I am in agreement. Lovey-dovey-lets-understand-where-the-bad-guys-are -coming-from-and-give-them-a-hug will get you killed in the war against an ideology that hates and wants to destroy everything about you. Aiding and abetting that ideology will get you little sympathy from those who do not want to be destroyed. I don't wish death the islamic way on anyone and would feel bad for the woman if they do indeed 'hurt' her, knowing that if she comes out alive, she will blame it all on the US ...at the same time I have every right to think her a complete traitorous dumnass if her intentions were to defend the other side.

Oh, Cato!

Why am I not surprised? Wish I understood the mentality better. There is a tendency to easily take offense at the slightest thing. It is not just males either who suffer from this malady. I did piss off one lady there over some issue I did not even think was important. I apologized most profusely, but really had no clue what I had said that had offended her.
Definitely a cultural divide of which most Americans have no or little understanding.

#75 Mr. E. Train
Only a paper as vapid and desperate as the WP would rush this story. This falls under the Category:" I'm more loony than you are." School of reporting. The adults have left the building at the WP.

#180-RebTex

Yeah...but it was ME on the prowl!

LOL.
I figured having twin daughters was my reward, for all the fathers daughters that got their rose bushes pruned by me.

n2l

I figured having twin daughters was my reward, for all the fathers daughters that got their rose bushes pruned by me.

LOL - well, you know what they say about payback...

{*{POLLY PRISSY BRITCHES!}*}
WOOO! HOOO!

{*{*REB!*}*}

Thinking you guys got your "comeuppance"!

#187-PollyPrissyPants

you know what they say

Yes...yes I do!
And if I ever find out who they are...boom.. straight to the moon!

Go Jack Baurer

191 no2l

And if I ever find out who they are...boom.. straight to the moon!

Works for me!

Developing story on Drudge:
"CNN's Christian Ahmanpour 'Iraq war has been a disaster.'"

Wonder who's raising her kid right now.

I'm sick of these journalists who keep telling us what peaceful people the terrorists are and how evil we are, and then complain when they get kidnapped by head choppers.

Five dollars, if she get released, the first thing she says is "I would've kidnapped me too".

#184 St. Pancake
When you are taught all infidels are inferior, it comes as a great shock to find out that not only do the infidels think themselves superior, but are by any reasonable objective measurement. You lash out in anger and crime. This phenomenon has been noted time after time in insulated cultures, even here in America.

traveler

"CNN's Christian Ahmanpour 'Iraq war has been a disaster.'"

Ok. That's it for me. We need to pull out now.

Its official, Republicans are racists.

What a pathetic headline-grabbing bucket of chum that is.

As the liberals and their party of choice circle the drain, we can expect more like this.

#190-St. Pancake

Thinking you guys got your "comeuppance"!

True, but I was young.
It was the downside that was tough.
All kidding aside, this young lady knowlingly and intentionally put a bullseye on her back when she went there. I wish her no harm, and to be returned to her family. Making a film of her distress is not surprising, and I refuse to get emotional about it...they are muslims, what was she thinking?

#163 reaganite

Tell that to the female MP here in the 82nd Airborne with 23 confirmed kills

Nope, she might kick my ass. I was thinking in general on the ground combat. As in cleaning out a Fallujah. Not too many can.
I know of only one woman in my recent acquaintance that would. She is our building maintenance person. Big and burly.

#176 Jheka

#181 truthteller

Nothing like a little moral equivalence eh?

Jack thread... Sunday night beach.. No lurking west coasters.

It's too bad about that girl pleading for her life -- it really is. But Iraq is full of blood-thirsty [bigoted word]s. That's a fact.

It serves to remind of the folly of these reporters who think they need to be there. They don't.

#89 Jheka

Shame on those of you who seem to have forgotten that Jill Carroll is a human being with a family and friends who are going through hell. Someone who's life holds tremendous promise and potential to experience and give joy. Someone who, if she is not murdered, may someday be a loving wife, a caring mother and is probably already a much loved friend, daughter and sister.

Great post. I agree with your comments. We must not sink to the same level as these savages.

#200 taterhead

I know of only one woman in my recent acquaintance that would.

You should see all the women soldiers here at Fort Bragg. Many have kills.

no2liberals

Lol, I was referring to you having daughters, and now how you protect them from the likes of hmm..., well, you know"

no2

Making a film of her distress is not surprising, and I refuse to get emotional about it...they are muslims, what was she thinking?

That's the problem. Whe wasn't thinking. She most likely got all of her thoughts from the MSM instead of really doing research and finding the truth. A steady diet of MSM will lead anyone to believe we truly are the terrorists and the beheaders have no choice but to take their drastic actions to get us to leave so they can live in peace once again.

#205-reaganite
Dude!
Haven't seen you since the public caning Sat night...how's the healing process going?

Jack thread... Sunday night beach.. No lurking west coasters.

No 24 updates, please. Thank you from California.

# 151 St. Pancake

Don't know - I've never done Malaysia or Indonesia. A whole lot of people I know swear that Kuala Lumpur is a good location, though.

# 176 Jheka

Bingo !

taterhead
Size doesn't matter.
THe Mind is our most devastating weapon.

#206-St. Pancake

and now how you protect them from the likes of hmm..., well, you know"

Yeah, I know...RebTex!
One of them does live dangerously close to him, but she is the married one, so I'm not worried.

Making her cry for the video is just another insane outrage brought to us by the no-rules jihad brigades.

Have a feeling that some of you guys, lol, spread some wild oats when you were younger? Now, the good lord has provided you with daughters. Sweet!

#208 no2liberals
Dude! Check your mail.

#208 no2liberals
LOL

I missed a public caning?

no 2 liberals
DANG!
THat was a deep cut!
/MEDIC!

Only Reb is guilty of this offense? Hmmm...

#207-PollyPrissyPants

Whe wasn't thinking.

PIMF understood, and you are right.
In my heart, I want to believe the best about people, but experience has taught me that isn't realistic. She is young and inexperienced, and hopefully she can learn from this.

I pray that none of Jill Carroll's family or friends stumble across this thread. And even more, I hope that the people opposed to the war do not think that the comments contained herein are representive of those who support the liberation of Iraq.

Jill Carroll is a human being who went to Iraq to do her job. Like many soldiers, she fell in love with the people there. She has lived there - outside the Green Zone - for over two years.

Can anyone here who callously shows glee over her abduction produce any evidence that Jill is a terrorist sympathizer? Or is Jill's predicament celebrated simply because she is a journalist?

I don't know if I've ever read such a disgusting thread of comments at LGF.

Thanks, Rayra! Have bookmarked that one.

You know, we drink some pretty strong KoolAid here at LGF, but there are few topics that are just forbidden.

But cheering for the mussulman headchoppers to chop anyones head...wait, what if they caught Mikey Moore...or Francois Kerry...or HillBilly^{Pat. Pending}...no, I've thought it over.

Cheering for the mussulman headchoppers to chop anyones head makes you a Kossack, or whatever the lowest form of excretia you can name is.

#170 Rebtex

I shoulda said reporters.

THe anguish of having a female held captive is mountainous

Very true. And I meant women in general myself not the few good combat trained and ready women...I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I say 'few' as I am still not settled about women in some combat situations.

St. P
I didn't have Daughters.

#124 Jheka

Well said. However, if you take a long view that some people's propaganda can (and likely will) get more American and other coalition soldiers killed, the issue gets murkier.

Put simply, I can understand why some people don't care about the fates of certain reporters, knowing that those reporters are actively helping to get those people's friends/comrades in arms killed.

Now, I've read some things that indicate Ms. Carroll leans that way. However, it's far from conclusive, and in any event I share your view -- I hope and pray she gets home safe. Just saying that I can understand how good people could feel otherwise, esp. if she really was trying to support the enemy (i.e., tell the "other side's" story).

dailykos must be imploding. getting 401 file not found responses. fratracide?

democraticide? alitocide?

it's all good.

201 Yea you got that right...

#222 American Soldier's Mom

I don't know if I've ever read such a disgusting thread of comments at LGF.

There's been worse. You're right though.

Damned Russkies!

/24

RebTex

I know you have a son. Will there be a daughter? "just wonderin'"

#89 Jheka
"Whatever her politics may or may not be, she's an American. She's a woman. She's a human being. Part of what is supposed to differentiate us from the animals that we are fighting is that we don't assign value to human life based upon a person's profession or on whether their political ideology perfectly meshes with our own.

This is a woman who is suffering a terrible fate. Who saw a man murdered in front of her. Who may have been tortured and abused. Who does not know whether she will live another week or day or hour and what I see from some people is on par with Kos' loathesome "screw them" sentiments."

I agree with you, but if she is rescued by U.S. Soldiers, a female Trooper ought to give her a half hour "wall to wall counseling session" for being a $hit for brains moonbat! I'm an Army PAO weenie & belive you me, the bulk of the MSM need this treatment...

St.P
Most likely not...but one never knows when the stork might make a visit!

So who exactly are the bad guys on "24" this year?

Russians?
Chechens?
Something else?

Its getting harder and harder for MarKOS to one-up himself in hyperbole. Here's the latest screach..

blah, blah, blah.. In fact, it's one of those days that may very well have turned the public against his presidency once and for all.

How does he type, put his finger over the carb, and light the bowl all at the same time?

Thanks, Savage. I took many political philosphy courses in college. I always enjoyed that kind of discourse. I feel fairly knowledgable about that area, imho. My students also analyze many documents too. This is a necessity in my AP class.

#222 American Soldier's Mom:

Glee? I haven't seen glee expressed here. I have seen the acknowledgment that a human being is responsible for their actions and for the consequences of them. I have seen the frustration and the pain resulting from the callous treatment of the US troops by the MSM. I have seen some excess of emotion, perhaps, easy to do online, is it not?

But I have not seen glee.

#220-St. Pancake

Only Reb is guilty of this offense?

Oh, you mean me!
I didn't sew any oats, but I did a lot of plowing, and reaping.
Are you familiar with the song 'Animals' by Nickelback?

American Soldier's Mom

I agree.

Charles, please delete this thread. Some of the comments here are more dispicable and disgusting than any of the general comments that Bigel ever said, and are focused on a christian woman who will probably be killed. Jill is no Rachel Corrie and the animals that have her know it. If they've already harmed her, then her death warrant is probably sealed, as they can't let her go to spread the word.

#222 American Soldier's Mom
Kudos.

I don't know if I've ever read such a disgusting thread of comments at LGF.

It happens from time to time. The important thing is to voice your opinion when it does. What I find encouraging about threads like this is that there are plenty of people (mostly the regulars) willing to debate with the "over the top" posters.

Reb!

Just be grateful for the healthy child you do have!

St. P
I have TWO healthy boys!
I'm happy with that!

And Reb, teach your child well, if you know what I mean. Texans still like hearing, "yes, ma'am", and "no ma'am".

WTG, kilgore!

#237 rayra

Can we settle for an Average, instead of insisting everyone beat their swords into plowshares while our Enemies still work to see us dead, dead, dead?

It's not that at all brother. It's this simple. On the battlefield as a Marine, you would have shot your enemy. Once he was down, you would have helped him once he was no longer a threat. If the jihadis had shot you and found you alive they would have tortured you to death and drug your corpse around before they set you on fire.

That is the difference between them and us.

I'm going to stay on our side.

#144 truthteller 1/30/2006 06:10PM PST

Thanks for clarifying. I think there's a big difference between being a propagandist for the jihadis (Al Jazeera) and being an ordinary reporter who is simply trying to cover the story.

I wouldn't wish Jill Carrol's fate on anyone and I think it's sad that some people here seem to think her life is worth so little merely because she wasn't a cheerleader for the war. Has it ever occurred to you that even if she worshipped this administration she would not be doing her job right if she allowed that to influence her stories?

It's true that the MSM gets a lot wrong and tends to be softer on the crazies than I would like. But I'm also glad that there's a whole spectrum of news and opinion to choose from. If I were looking for uniformity I'd move to Saudi Arabia.

So she isn't doing her job if she were an admin. tool but she is doing her job if she's reporting for the "insurgents"? Okay...whatever.

Anyway, I would never wish this fate upon anyone. I've never said that. My point is that she went over there and knew the consequences. I truly hope that if I were to do something like that I would never beg, cry, or plead for the U.S. Gov't to come rescue me. I'd hope that they were doing their best, but I'd want to act in the same brave manner that the gentleman (from Italy I believe) did. He did not beg for his life. He was proud and defiant. She is not.

Now, having said that, who knows...maybe I'd pee my pants. I've never had to experience that kind of terror. I do not wish her the head chopping that I saw Mr. Berg experience.

But I do think that your and Jheka's morally superior attitude is annoying. I may not have posted as much as others in the last year or so but I have been lurking around here for several years. I do not think that my, or Ted's, or anyone else's comments have sunk anywhere near that of Kos or DU.

There is a big difference between sympathy and empathy. I can empathize with her situation, but I do not have a lot of sympathy for her. That does not make my humanity less than yours. I am not an unsympathetic person but I do reserve my sympathy for those who I believe deserve it wholeheartedly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not believe that she does (and I couldn't read that Salon article...it requires registration and I hate that).

In all honesty, I have not read any of her articles. But I HAVE heard her parents interviewed and from what they have said she was very sympathetic to the "insurgents" which makes me believe she was reporting for the enemy. I'd have just as little sympathy for a traitor reporting for Nazi Germany. I hope I'm proven wrong and that she is not sympathetic to the enemy...time will tell. And I hope her head is still attached when we find out.

And now I have to eat dinner. Attack away...I can take it! ;-)

Woohoo, Reb!

WTG! My brother and his wife are expecting their second child sometime this summer. Lol, he is 52!

#243 Godzilla

Charles, please delete this thread. Some of the comments here are more dispicable and disgusting than any of the general comments that Bigel ever said, and are focused on a christian woman who will probably be killed.

No, they are not. These are opinions, and we all have one. It's called freedom of speech, and we aren't even required to agree on anything.

St. P
52?!
YIKES!
I still have PLENTY of time.

evnin all

1st ...if we missed al zawahri... why does it look like he has a knot on his forehead?

2nd ...danes are weak for caving in but they never have to fight anyone...

thirdly...
jill carroll is a poor unfortunate reporter that went looking for her pulitzer and with fame and fortune comes sacrifice.. perhaps ultimately for her...

#243 Godzilla
I say leave this thread as is.
The Good: there's some honest debate going on here.
The Bad: there are some ideoligical zealots here.
The Ugly: I'm here.

#222 American Soldier's Mom

I'm in agreement with you with respect to the comments on this thread. This young woman is an American girl through and through. She's courageous, adventurous, bright, inquisitive, a go-getter, fearless, naive, accomplished and she readily embraces those around her. I pray for her, I do hope we can secure her release and bring her home.

It's interesting that her kidnappers are still demanding the release of women. It could be that that some Iraqi tribes are holding women in retaliation or perhaps the kidnappers are trying to secure the release of the Iraqi suicide-bomber held in Jordan.

slydin clyde
He's had that knot.

The delusion of the left is breathtaking.

From Kos himself:

In fact, it's one of those days that may very well have turned the public against his presidency once and for all.

What he was talking about is that Alito isn't that big of a deal compared to Woodruff being injured and this new video of Jill Caroll.

What he and his followers don't seem to grasp is that most Americans (and thinking adults everywhere) understand is that the people responsible for these barbaric acts are Islamic terrorists not members of the US government.

The left's inability to understand this basic fact is what dooms them to fringe status.

Yes, Reb!
Lol, this baby will be younger than my great niece who was born two months ago. BTW, I have four brothers, two of whom are vets.

#251 megscole64:

But I do think that your and Jheka's morally superior attitude is annoying. I may not have posted as much as others in the last year or so but I have been lurking around here for several years. I do not think that my, or Ted's, or anyone else's comments have sunk anywhere near that of Kos or DU.

Thanks for saying it.

Here's a hyptothetical: Would any Vietnam Vets have cared if the Vietcong had captured and killed Hanoi Jane? Now, throwing a party in glee would have been dehumanized behavior. However, a shrug and "who cares" would be at least understandable and even expected. Maybe not the best moment in time for those involved, but definitely understandable.

We have many Hanoi Janes and Johns now -- so many, in fact, that we don't even recognize them as individuals, but rather lump them as the "MSM." Are we surprised that many people, esp. those with friends serving or who have served, are feeling the same way as in my hypothetical?

Maybe this is one of the few instances where the Iraq/Vietnam analogy holds true.

PS NOT saying that Ms. Carroll is a Hanoi Jane. In fact, from everything I've seen, she is far from it. Just raising the philosophical point for thought re: some people's attitude toward journalists...

#211 Reb

Size doesn't matter.

THe Mind is our most devastating weapon

The mind. I guess I am projecting myself in those situations...While I wouldn't have a problem with 'kills', I would not want to become a burden or put my fellow 'men' in any more danger than there is because of my size or lack of strength from carrying my own pack in oven heat.
On the other hand, I would walk through fire or take a bullet for my children and would not hesitate to shoot someone who might hurt them...so, perhaps it may be so...for others.

#256 Killgore

Just felt the need to weigh in with my thoughts. I'm sure by now this site's enemies has cached the more choice comments. I'm glad you're here to temper the mood.

#259 Reb Tex He's had that knot.

we got close before? dayum...

Well I'm hoping and praying that Jill Carrol makes it home safely, along with every one of our soldiers who puts their life on the line every single day.

Regardless of her own politics or point of view, Jill Carrol had much courage to go into Iraq to cover the war. If she were just some L³ pundit with an axe to grind, she could have just stayed home, read the AP wire and spouted her own analysis of the day's news. But she put her life at risk to go into the war zone to interview real people and write her own stories. That takes a lot of guts and passion for journalism regardless of your politics.

Has the bloodletting slowed to a trickle? I don't want to get my slippers all icky.

Just switched from 24 to A&E for Flight 93. After about 5 minutes, my blood began to boil. This film needs to be shown in every school and on every t.v. over and over again. The passengers on that fatal flight were true heroes, not the f-ing liberals who hate this country.

Let me just say to all.
I do not wish her harm, I have two grown daughters, and God Bless'em they are healthy, safe, and unafraid at this moment, as far as I know.
On the other hand, she and her family should have understood that this could have occurred, and that she could very well be a victim, regardless of her intentions.
You want to know what get's me worked up? I saw a video on friday, a terrorist propaganda film, that would not end! It showed our soldiers being gunned down by Islamofascist snipers, with one of their glorious headchopper songs playing in the audio track. I saw it that morning, and it took me until that night, and visiting here to talk me down a bit.
I care about what this young womans fate is. I care about her loving family and friends, but I will not get nearly as upset, as I do when I hear one of our fine young men and women get killed in this war against a death cult.

#270 Agreed on all points. Well said. EOM

266 savage_nation

Screw yourself sideways. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out which posts I was referring to, or maybe you're whiffing too hard on the dinkleberries up your ass! Don't tell me about war you pos unless your ready to match service time.

#227 moonbatbane:

There are people in the media who are, in fact, little more than agents for the other side. People like Robert Fisk, Ted Rall, Steve Bell, Peter Arnett, etc. There is nothing at all to indicate that Ms. Carroll has anything in comon with those evil men, any more than a liberal politician like Pat Leahy, for example, has anything in common with an evil bastard like George Galloway.

#234 scorched earth 138:

Sure, if she was stupid, putting both herself and the people who are trying to rescue her in danger, then I have no problem with an emphatic lesson being administered ... but let's hope that she's rescued first.

down to a knot now Swampy..

taterhead
Good for you!
There may come a day when you need to protect your Family. Seems like you'll be ready to try!

275 Godzilla 1/30/2006 07:19PM PST
266 savage_nation

Screw yourself sideways. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out which posts I was referring to, or maybe you're whiffing too hard on the dinkleberries up your ass! Don't tell me about war you pos unless your ready to match service time.

Well, I'm obviously a moron then because I have no idea which posts you were referring to. Unless I didn't read all the threads carefully enough (which happens when I read too quickly) I haven't seen anything horribly offensive or ghastly enough to offend...definitely nothing to warrant deleting the whole thread.

#277 slydin clyde

down to a knot now Swampy..

Heh. You got a fixation on ol' Zarahiri's head, huh?

/Well, he is married. Maybe the wives gots cast iron cookware.

Hey, Rayra (waving up thread). How's bidness? Unemployment is purty good, but dang, real life and bills are beginning to rear their ugly heads.

Godzilla
Habg on!
By your comment...
Are you implying that only a Veteran has the Right to an opinion?!

#237 rayra

Jheka's got Feelings enough for ten of me. Can we settle for an Average, instead of insisting everyone beat their swords into plowshares while our Enemies still work to see us dead, dead, dead?

My intention was certainly not to advocate appeasement, or even a modicum of tolerance for the jihadi. I think I’ve made myself more than plain on that score in here before. I guess the point I was trying to make is that I personally get a little queasy when it comes to carte blanche condemnation. It brings to mind the smattering of a reverse Third Reich mentality, in the sense that there is sometimes no tolerance for anything other than toeing the “party line”. The leftists aren’t the only ones who hold sole claim to that type of thought process, although I am in wholehearted agreement that they hold the copyright. Please note that I tried to stress the word some (posters) when referencing the discourse on this thread. I think most of us here see eye-to-eye, and recognize the mortal threat that islamofacism poses to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I guess all I’m sayin’ is that some of the shoot-from-the-hip armchair bravado slung around from time to time gets tiresome. I think we all have the same goal, maybe just different ways of expressing that end.

Let me say something Godzilla, the only ones I would like to see punished are her captors, Al-Qaeda (turn on Flight 93), the snuff-Islamofilm producers (go to [Link: www.michaelsavage.com...] for re-runs), the Paleonazis...

Does my list pass your "test?"

Rarya! Thank you! So many people confuse empathy and sympathy.

#280 Swamp Woman

just starting rumours about that knot BUT he may need that cast iron cookware...

oops...rayra! LOL :-) Sorry.