Unbelievable.
Fucking unbelievable.

-The Tuna

I'm tempted to subscribe to the NYT just so I can cancel it.

I understand Criminal Putin is promising to put the images on display in Russia .. Maybe that'll put a bee into The New York Time's sensitive bonnet and inspire them to do the same .. Gotta keep up with your heros and all that ..

Off topic:

Castro invites Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Cuba
[Link: www.hindustantimes.com...]

Maybe 2 dick-taters for the price of one JDAM?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

/had to be done

..and this surprises who?

Where do we start the riots?

Hmmm...NYT doesn't have an 'embassey' to speak of... maybe we can burn some news stands.

/moonbat out

The enemy within ad nauseum.

usajihad

We all know it is fear of, not respect for the muslim faith that stops MANY news organizations form printing the danish cartoons.

The internet makes it a non-issue, as the readers can still see the news elsewhere easily.

Using fear to control your enemies is not a new tactic... remember "It's in the Koran"!

Hypocricy at The New York Times?

Shocka!

I'm sure the Pope will declare a crusade any day now, and thousands of colorful Swiss Guardsmen will have the NYT editors' heads on pikes.

Oh wait, that'll never happen.

NYT = cowards

Always have been, when faced with real dictators.

And here's a big papier-mâche middle finger made from Jayson Blair's oeuvre...

The Times continues to spiral downward. My guess is that they did this intentionally to provoke a reaction from Christians. Then their oh-so-righteous editorialists can write something along the lines of-

"How does it feel, Christians, to have your faith disparaged!"

I guess the natural reaction would be for evil evangelicals to burn down the NYT and say, "How does it feel, NYT, to feel irrational wrath?"

Something like that.

/dreaming

All the news that's fit to sh*t.

#2 secsailor - I hear ya, but it would be faster and cheaper just to write and send (via snail mail) a real smary letter - try to work in hypocrits several times as well as lack of intergrity, journalistic standars, that sort of thing.

;>)

Castro invites Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Cuba

"and please bring some of the nuclear missles".

We know how well that went last time.

They're RE-PUBLISHING it?!? FFS what a stinking bag of hypocrites they are. Don't want to offend the "religion of peace" but Christians? Who cares?

"Nobody worries about upsetting a droid."
"That's because droids don't pull peoples' arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookies are known to do that." / C-3PO & Han Solo, Star Wars.

Surely someone can whip up a cartoon of Mohammed teaching the Islamic rules of butt-wiping?

Front to back in the winter, back to front in the summer...

...pardon my French.

Charles, when I click on the current weblog link I'm still getting a File Download "Save" prompt. Help!

Well, it has been a few hundred years since Catholics actually would kill people over insults to the faith...

People, people. This Kimmelman is an art critic. You were expecting insight into the real world?

Compare and contrast:

The New York Times
February 7, 2006

Those Danish Cartoons

By THE EDITORS

Cartoons making fun of the Prophet Muhammad that were published in a Danish newspaper last September are suddenly one of the hottest issues in international politics. Muslims in Europe and across the Middle East have been holding protests with growing levels of violence and now loss of life.

...

The New York Times and much of the rest of the nation's news media have reported on the cartoons but refrained from showing them. That seems a reasonable choice for news organizations that usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols, especially since the cartoons are so easy to describe in words.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The NY Times is a pathetic joke.
 

Charles, an urbane sophisticate chap like yourself should be aware of the nuances and subtleties of the NYT. After all the Christians, those gauche louts might write a few nasty letters to the editors but the noble Muslims...well one musn't say these things out loud in polite company. That would gauche indeed.

No protester torched the museum or called for beheading anybody. Farce now becomes calamity over the cartoons, a different matter.

It's still a farce, but this time with calamitous consequences. Perhaps if media organizations were reporting the reaction like the farce it is instead of knuckling under to the charges of blasphemy...

Ahh, who am I kidding. If wishes were horses, we'd all be riding.

I gotta hand it to Lileks on this topic today, though: "there are three belief systems that the media won’t ridicule: Islam, Scientology, and Astrology."

I guess we'll have to wait for the South Park episode.

And Jerry Falwell bussed the entire freshman class of Liberty University to NY to firebombed the NY Times offices while members of the diocese torched newspaper vending machines across the city, waving signs demanding that the editorial staff be burned at the stake.

See, those darn Christians are just as bad as the Muslims!

Oh. You mean that's not what happened?

My bad.

And of course their entire news room will not quit in protest.

Does anyone but the NY Times care what the NY Times says?

/rhtorical question off

I know the L.A. Times and other papers are experiencing downturns in subscriptions and ad sales. How about the NYT? How long before they have to lay off all those brie-sucking snobs?

The staff of the NY Press all quit because the paper refused to publish the photos:

[Link: thepoliticker.observer.com...]

The NY Times is filled to the rafters with cowards and partisan hacks.
 

Cox and Forkum had the Times dead to rights with their latest cartoon.

See what happens when you have to layoff personnel due to lagging circulation?

You get re-runs instead of 'news'.

The 'old media' are punks.

I KNEW they would do that.

Say goodnight grey dinosaur,it is all over for you,
As less and less people buy your crapfest out of habit you will be buried under the sediment of history.
NOT sorry to see you go.

Hey, those partisan hacks may be a bunch of sleazy, scummy lying propagandist anti-semites, but they're not dumb!

I dont want a death threat on my family or my car firebombed either!

Much, MUCH safer offending civilized christians and jews than a bunch of medieval neanderthals.

i am likely too young to remember accurately (not a boast) but iirc --
didn't the ny times downplay the whole wwII lead up, and did they not give credence to the american eugenics camp that was keen on preventing eastern european (read jews) immigrants from coming to the us prior to the war, based on the specious argument that they did not score well on iq tests (administered at ellis island to the non-english speaking new emigres) and thus would dull our populace if admitted to our country?
do i have the right rag?

I think a couple of quotes are in order.

The Holy Bible: "Thou shalt not kill [literally,commit murder]."

quran: "Slay the infidel wherever ye find them."

Now, which group would you worry more about "offending"?

Well, reading the article gives kind of a different picture from the headline here. Not defending the NYT's cowardice in not printing the cartoons, but they are basically saying the same as us:

"leading many nonbelieving non-Muslims to scratch their heads over how such banal and idiotic pictures could ever be given a thought in the first place.
Irate Muslim protesters set fire to the Danish and Norwegian missions in Damascus, where Syrian newspapers routinely print the most appalling, racist cartoons of big-nosed Jews. In Beirut, rioters burned the Danish mission and vandalized a Maronite Catholic church, beating a Dutch news photographer mistaken for a Dane.
No protester torched the museum or called for beheading anybody. Farce now becomes calamity over the cartoons, a different matter. The current bloodshed, fueled by political extremists and religious fanatics, turns the culture war once again into real war. People forget that Salman Rushdie's Japanese and Italian translators were stabbed (the Japanese fatally) and his Norwegian publisher shot."

NYT's still a POS excuse for a floor rag overall, though.

I'm offended. Time to burn down the NYT and kill a bunch of people.

/not bloody likely, but in LLL land christians are a bigger threat than the islamofacists.

What the Times fails to understand is that we 21st century Christians are more subtle and nuanced that they think we are.

In secret, nefarious cabals, we organize to educate the great unwashed about which sinister candidates to vote for, and so rather than rape, pillage and plunder, we elect far rightwing extremist troglodytes to office, thus offsetting any power the NY Times once had.

We laugh at them and their silly attempts to outrage us with something that hardly outraged us seven years ago. Instead, we grow in power and they become weaker.

And now with these email machine thingys invented by one of their own, we have spread out tentacles even wider, causing plummeting revenue at the outdated socialist rag.

Somwhere, Rove smiles, rubbing hands together.

Have I missed this point or have all the stories left out the reason BEHIND the cartoons? I know everyone is bending over backwards to not be offensive, but have any of the stories you've seen mentioned

wait for it

Theo Van Gogh and his beheading? The fact that these cartoons were an act against self-censorship (at the end of a sword)? Did anybody mention Submission is still not being shown, was totally ignored in last year's Oscars? Priceless.

CNN was just over the top on this story this AM - anyone else unfortunate enough to watch the editor get interviewed? Don't get it or don't want anyone else to. Not sure which is worse.

Just found this krazee poem by a serious poet (his book is titled Babylon in a Jar and he teaches at an Ohio university) about Piss Christ, published in Slate in 2000. An excerpt:

If we did not know it was cow's blood and urine,
if we did not know that Serrano had for weeks
hoarded his urine in a plastic vat,
if we did not know the cross was gimcrack plastic,
we would assume it was too beautiful.
We would assume it was the resurrection,
glory, Christ transformed to light by light
because the blood and urine burn like a halo...

We are born between the urine and the feces,
Augustine says, and so was Christ, if there was a Christ...
He peed, ejaculated, shat, wept, bled—
bled under Pontius Pilate, and I assume
the mutilated god, the criminal,
humiliated god, voided himself
on the cross and the blood and urine smeared his legs...

We have grown used to useless beauty.

Hey, I'm one step ahead of you, NY Times -- I added Chris Ofili's elephant dung and Andres Serrano's Piss Christ to the Mo Archive three days ago, as a point of comparison. Of course, this is in addition to the Mo pix, not instead.

Speaking of which, if you haven't seen the latest addition -- courtesy of Kilgore Trout -- please check it out! It's a major scoop unto itself! To spare you the ordeal of opening the entire archive (still getting slammed globally), I'll give you a direct link to the jpeg in question and post the complete caption here:

Mohammed on building in modern Iran (jpeg will load slowly, hopefully)

This Iranian site contains a photograph of a mural which appears to depict Mohammed (sixth picture down) on a contemporary building in Iran. The mural show Buraq (the animal that carried Mohammed on his Night Voyage, described as being white and having the face of a woman and the tail of a peacock, which this creature does) carrying a figure who could therefore only be Mohammed. A word-for-word transliteration of the caption to that picture in Farsi says (according to this automated translation site) "The Messenger mounted mainland shiny door village (yzdlaan) (kvyry) village blinds to ascension wine river," which obviously doesn't translate well but which does make mention of "The Messenger," a traditional epithet for Mohammed (as the messenger of Allah). Note: this image is hosted on the Web site of the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri, which is sponsoring a contest of cartoons about the Holocaust as an outraged reponse to the publication of the Mohammed cartoons in the West. Yet the newspaper itself is currently displaying this depiction of Mohammed.


(Hat tip: Kilgore Trout.)

the ny times is pathetic

Chicken Kiev-

What a tasteless poem meant only to provoke. The thing to do is to have pity on such individuals. They thrive on controversy, but pity makes them seethe.

Ploome-

maybe, maybe not.

When they run stupid Iranian Holocaust cartoons, and nobody burns anything/threatens anybody with death, and just writes angry letters, it will tend to demonstrate that the Muslims really are uncivilized savages with a double standard.

I spit the world's second biggest lugie at the NYT.

The biggest one goes toward mohammed in hell, maybe it won't completely sizzle away before it gets there.

"NYT?" What's an "NYT?" That's not the local paper in New York City that recently reported its net income declined by about 41%, is it?

I just sent an email to the Times' public editor, Byron Calame, asking for a response.

As Mark Steyn puts it, "If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked."

Brave, brave Sir Pinch.

zombie link is not loading

Personally I think this is very important:

The cartoons were published 5 months ago in Egypt...sans rioting.
But, the cartoons were published before the Danish Imam Ahmad Abu Laban made his trip in November!

Freedom for Egyptians has the details.

#43 zombie:

And Michelle Malkin has still more on the Danish imans fabrication-fest stoking and fanning the flames of violence.

In addition to the fake drawings and photos and the other lies included in the Danish imams' propaganda pamphlet posted over at The Counterterrorism Blog, my reader reports that Danish radio has enumerated additional falsehoods.

The imams reportedly spread lies that the Jyllands-Posten had 120 cartoons, not 12, and that the paper was owned by the government. (There are no state-run newspapers in Denmark.) In addition, the imams reportedly claimed that the Danish government would censor the Koran, burn the Koran, and that Danes were planning to make a blasphemous movie about Mohammed. The Brussels Journal and Jyllands-Posten first noted these lies here.

It ain't only the NYT
Here is another major media outlet that doesn't require registration to see dookie-derived religious icons

[Link: archives.cnn.com...]

Oh Yah!

All the news that's fit to print. (Unless we don't think you need to know about it... Ed.)

I wish the university where I work still got free NYT so I could trash that entire issue.

As for the poem #42. It stinks. I used to love academia. No more - a more pretentious bunch of assholes never walked the face of the earth. Unless it was a group of trangressive artists.

I am becoming a misanthrope.

Islam doesn't drink, so they can burn all the German breweries too right.. NYT won't run beer adds (maybe they don't now) French wine should be used for AK-47 practice right.. no more wine and cheese parties at NYT .. can't offend Muslim food tastes.. How about our homegrown terrorists.. shouldn't all telephone poles be burned to protest cutting trees.. maybe Mormons can respond for the west since they don't drink even tea.. lets get those muslims because they drink tea. NYT are you listening.. Muslims drink tea, offending our Mormons.. can't you at least tell us that about them.

Charles, when I right-click (IE 6.0 SP2) on the link for "current weblog", and hit Properties, the type shows up as "COM/WEBLOG/ File". I'm still getting a File Download dialog when I click on that link.

Is this correct?

The NYT must accompany these images with the Danish cartoons. It is entirely hypocritical to publish material that is patently offensive to Christians or Jews when discussing the muslim rage over pictures of big mo simply because we react civilly.

When the mad mullahs of Iran produce their vile Holocaust denial cartoons, lets publish them all side-by-side with the Danish cartoons of mo. In fact, they can include actual photographs of the Holocaust and muslim terrorism to further emphasize the distinction between truthful editorializing and antisemitic hatred.

muhammadcartoons.com

#43 zombie
Thanks! You made my day.

In their own twisted way, I'm sure they believe they were saying "so there, we do believe in freedom of speech" by publishing that piece of filth.

They believe in it so much that they will publish something that will not incite riots vs something else that just might.

But I don't think the muslims would riot here in the US. Cuz they know we won't tolerate it. Not only the law enforcers, but the citizens, too.

Did they do this in hope that a few people would show up with signs and, and they could print pictures of that to show that both sides were "just the same?"

I'm tempted to subscribe to the NYT just so I can cancel it.
Laffin My ass off, cause I have a subscription for exclusive use by my dogs, they won't crap or wizz on anything else anymore.

Thomas Lifson hits one out of the park

It is hard for us Westerners to understand the deep reverence so many overseas have for this man. He was, after all, human, not a god in the eyes of even his most devout believers. But his followers regard him as a special and different kind of human being, one whose life was a story of miracles and triumphs inexplicable in ordinary mortal terms, and a man who brought enlightenment and a vision of a perfect world to all of humanity.

RTWT at American Thinker

And the 2006 medai award for chutzpah goes to...

I love the fact that they aren't even hiding who's side they are on. Offend Christians? No problem! Muslims? Wouldn't dream of it.

Now let's think about why that might be? Could it have anything to do with the fact that Christians don't, how shall I put this, kill people that offend them?

Will the NYTimes print toons mocking the Holocaust also?

Even Liberal Jews (their base audience) might not be too happy

#52 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

zombie link is not loading

Extreme patience is required. Keep trying. The entire Southern Hemisphere, half of Europe and two guys in Wichita are trying to access my site.

Don't know if anyone linked this yet but take a look!Iran holding contest for Holocaust cartoons

I hope an elephant sits on the editor in chief of the NYT an gets a rectal blockage from the editors head

Zombie, how are you coping with the increase in traffic at your site?

And last year, a play opened in Brazil featuring Mary as a transsexual and James as HIV-positive and gay.

The plot begins with a 15 years old transexual (Mary) who sees a angel announcing she will conceive the Savior of the World. Later, Jesus begins to do miracles during World War III. Followers go after him. Jesus is charged with anarchism and condemned to death.
Alexandre Linhares, the author, tells how the play idea was born:
Since I was a child I loved the play Opera-Rock Jesus Christ Superstar. Even my blog is after that name. I loved all the scenes of the film and I always wanted to see the spectacle at Broadway... However, the play that is scheduled to March originated during a time where my life was in a big turmoil, and I decided to post in my blog my idea about creating a play, based in that musical.

Hmm, did Catholics burn Brazilian embassies coz of this?

#40 Jammie ~

We laugh at them and their silly attempts to outrage us with something that hardly outraged us seven years ago. Instead, we grow in power and they become weaker.

SO true!

I Emailed them in regards to this and pretty much said the same thing, with a big YAWN at their attempt.

O/T:

Politically correct morons in the schools.

This came out yesterday about the mysterious additional Mo'toons that were circultaing...

** Danish Imams Busted! **

...this is NOT a picture of Muhammad!

This is Jacques Barrot, a pig squealing contestant at the French Pig-Squealing Championships in Trie-sur-Baise’s annual festival.

#65 chica

Works well in the bottom of bird cages, too, I'm told.

No. 57 Ellen

"I am becoming a misanthrope."

Please don't go there! Most people are good. And we will never beat this islamic evil unless we have a positive attitude!

that's because your average, everyday, Christian isn't 'bat-shit', self-destructive, blow themselves and you-up, crazy...

IT"S SAFE TO SLAM CHRISTIANS

Just shows what pansies the NYTp's really are...

3000 Dead
-Never Forget-DRG...
;>P

And there goes the NY Times, boldly flaunting their hypocrisy to the world.

I wonder if it made them feel better?

Better yet, I couldn't see that the picture was composed of cut-outs from pornographic magazines. They just had to tell me that.

I'm not even Catholic, and I think that's pretty bad.

The muhammadcartoons has their own website!

[Link: muhammadcartoons.com...]

Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign!
[Link: www.eff.org...]

3900 and going strong

all hail the new server

CNN, the Coward News Network, has revised their dhimmi boilerplate:

Feb 2: "Storm grows over Mohammad cartoons"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons in respect for Islam."
 

Feb 3: "Muslim anger on cartoons spreads"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 4: "Cartoon row: Danish embassy ablaze"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 5: "Protesters burn consulate over cartoons"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 6: "Cartoon protests turn deadly"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 6: "Danes feel threatened in cartoon row"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 6: "London protest: Calls for arrests"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
 

Feb 8: "Bush urges end to violence over cartoons"
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

"CNN is not showing the negative [sic] caricatures of the likeness of Prophet [sic] Mohammed because the network believes its role is to cover the events surrounding the publication of the cartoons while not unnecessarily [sic] adding fuel to the controversy itself."
 

#62 Killgore Trout

#43 zombie
Thanks! You made my day.

You deserve to have your day made.

But on the other hand, just watch -- the MSM will eventually pick up on this scoop and you won't get credited. Par for the course when you're a blogospheric maven.

Of course, the NY Slimes can't bring itself to say the obvious: It is perfectly okay for millions of muslims to feel offended or outraged about the cartoons, but it is not acceptable to express their feelings in physical violence. It's just that simple.

OTOH, Trudy Rubin at the Philadelphia Inquirer does get it:

...The whole drama has been stage-managed by radical Islamists who want to provoke a clash of civilizations. Without such intervention, this minor tiff wouldn't have grown into a worldwide conflagration...

...How ironic to see such Syrian concern for Islamic imagery, when one remembers that Syrian President Hafez al-Assad slaughtered 10,000 rebellious Islamists in 1982...

...Some will say the Danish paper handed the Islamists their opportunity. That's much too glib. Jyllands-Posten was responding to a real issue in Europe: media self-censorship because of fear of Islamist violence. The paper may have offended, but the violent reaction confirms the problem it meant to expose...

The NYTimes article keeps refering to the Danish newspaper as a "conservative newspaper"...as if they're devils.

"Nobody worries about upsetting a droid."
"That's because droids don't pull peoples' arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookies are known to do that." / C-3PO & Han Solo, Star Wars.

Yeah...but Wookies are so cute! :-)

#84,

This cartoon violence has got to stop!

Its ok to offend Jews and Christians because they aren't terrorists

Jews and Christians wont try to slaughter you en masse unlike Muslism who would love to slaughter each and every last non-muslim
The muslims are the terrorists

Terrorism tries to instill terror or fear

Muslims are savages who like to slaughter innocent women and children as they sleep in their beds

Offend Terrorists/Mafia at your own risk or courage

And apparently "Jesus sh**" is slang for a certain type of bowel movement, enumerated here and illustrated with a picture of Jesus.

This sort of stuff is everywhere ... how brave of the NYT to sink to the level of a zillion gutterminded blogs.

The NYTimes has been giving "compliementary" issues out in my neighborhood lately, most of them seem to end up in the trash - losing subscribers any?

Ward Cleaver,

I understand sending an email to Byron Calame, but other than making you feel good, it's pointless. You'll get the autoresponse from him. And then for months, the Times' malfunctioning email system will continue to deliver autoresponses.

They're so delusional, they probably hope for some outraged response so they can draw parallels between offended Christians and Muslims (believe me, they'll draw an equation) and then can then lecture us on tolerance and we'll all sing kumbaya.

I'm getting tired of pointing this out, but I will one more time:

The controversy over the "art" was never over whether or not it should be allowed by law, but over whether the taxpayers should be funding it. Comparing this to the Mohammed cartoons is specious. It would be very different if the Danish government was paying the cartoonists to draw them, and paying the paper to publish them. Then it would be a fair comparison.

The "power of imagery?" What do they mean? The image reprinted by NYT brought on a lot of phone calls and letters, and then things fizzled out, as I recall. No riots, no deaths, no arson. Pretty tame imagery, in its power, compared to Mo with a turban-bomb.

The New York Times and much of the rest of the nation's news media have reported on the cartoons but refrained from showing them. That seems a reasonable choice for news organizations that usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols

"usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols"! Since when?

#72 Ward Cleaver
Zombie, how are you coping with the increase in traffic at your site?

Not very well. My site is now distributed over three different dedicated servers to handle the traffic, but it still only loads slowly and sporadically. Luckily, there are now EIGHT mirror sites to take a bit of the pressure off (though none of them have the latest updates):

info2us.dk (Denmark)
jthz.com (Germany)
Beth
Outpost911 (USA)
Nordish.net
Aaron's cc
Retecool (Netherlands)
evtek.fi (Finland)

(Oops, looks like that first one got overloaded itself. Gotta fix the link now. grumblegrumblegrumble...)

The Northwestern Nazi.

I remember that picture - it was part of an exhibition of goddamn kooky "art" works in New York. Other exhibitions include a pig (or was it a cow?) sawn in half and enbalmed in perspex and a bust of the artist in his own blood. Jeez.

The mainstream media likes terrorists because they are just like them: they only attack soft targets.

Condoleezza Rice slams Iran and Syria for "inciting cartoon violence."

Breaking news, BBC.

#96 E2M:

One wonders what the reaction would be if the NEA gave someone $50,000 or so to create "Piss Mohammed."

Christians offended by artwork: "we'll cut off funding to museum".

Muslims offended by artwork: " we'll cut off artist's head (and burn down the museum)".

Not to mention that the AP refused to supply the Mohammed cartoons to its client newspapers "out of respect" but had no problems supplying the pics of the Piss Christ and the Dung Madonna.

Condoleezza Rice said both countries went out of their way to exploit Muslim anger at the caricatures.

The accusation came as the UK embassy in Iran came under attack.

Thank you, Condi.

The hypocrisy of my fellow Muslims is unbelievable.

Not a peep from them about this.

Given the opportunity to soil themselves, Collins' kiddos do exactly that...

106 Jheka

One wonders what the reaction would be if the NEA gave someone $50,000 or so to create "Piss Mohammed."

I think Mohammed (and Achmed, and Abdulla, and...) would be pissed.

#106 Jheka
well you saw the fury over the flushing of the koran...my guess would be more bloodhed and violence.

#84

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."

Actually, I think its ``CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of fear of Islam.

Nigerian MPs burn Danish flag in the house of parliament as crowds cheer.

Let's give more money to Africa, eh?

Nigerian MPs cheered in the northern majority Muslim state of Kano as Danish and Norwegian flags were burned in a ceremony in the parliament premises. ... some 200 people, including the 40 state parliamentarians, attended the flag burning.

This whole cartoon issue helped expose the hypocrisy of much of the western liberal media.

Here in tiny Malta not a single newspaper had the guts to print the cartoons - and they couldn't even be honest and say "we don't want to get our head whacked off". No, they had to come up with mealy mouthed platitudes like "respect" and "responsability". What utter maroons.

The funny thing is, these same "journalists" were always very keen to pick on the catholic church for being stodgy and retrograde - which might be true, but it doesn't remove the fact that they are hypocrites of the first order

/rant over/

Deepdiver

#111 Mike Charlie

In one way, I rather understand your fellow muslims. When people are walking around carrying signs threatening death, it takes rather a lot of backbone to stand up and say, "This is wrong."

Especially if you have kids.

Not that this keeps me from wishing people would stand up.

In my complex, one of the muslim families has put one of the cartoons in their window. Most people haven't noticed, but I did, when I was walking my dogs.

the american media is filled with cowards.. and it seems as if the msm is not alone...

and found this piece... the dangers of denying Freedom of the Press...

South Africa court bars Mohammad cartoons

By Andrew Quinn
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - A South African court has granted a request by a Muslim group to bar publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad which have caused outrage among Muslims worldwide, an editor's group said on Saturday. (this is inherently dangerous... when courts step in and ban the press from printing something)

The South African National Editor's Forum (SANEF) said the judge's order covered most major media companies in the country and amounted to "pre-publication censorship" by the court.

"Freedom to decide what gets into the publication has been taken away from the editor and put on the shoulders of the court," SANEF Chairman Joe Thloloe said.

The Sunday Times newspaper, one of those covered by the ruling, said it had not decided whether to publish the cartoons but had refused a request by the Council of Muslim Theologians to promise not to use the images.

The Council then approached the court for the temporary restraining order, which was granted late on Friday.

A spokesman for the Council could not be reached for comment on Saturday. But the group issued a statement saying the cartoons, which originally appeared in a Danish newspaper and have been reprinted by other European media, "demonstrated contempt for the religious beliefs of the Muslim community."

"These publications have abused freedom of speech by taking it to a dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable level by showing disregard for the sensitivities of Muslims around the world," the statement said.

FREEDOM OF THE PRESS

Sunday Times Editor Mondli Makhanya said the newspaper would go to court to fight the order, which he called a serious blow to freedom of the press in South Africa.

"We are aware of the sensitivities regarding the cartoons, and the editorial team was discussing whether these sensitivities should be given more weight than the right of non-Muslim readers to see the depictions that had caused huge offence in other parts of the world," Makhanya said in a statement.

"We believe that if we were to have given an undertaking not to publish, we would invite similar demands and threats from anyone who felt offended by the stories we publish."

Thloloe said the court's ruling was apparently based on a section in South Africa's post-apartheid constitution which allows limits on speech deemed to advocate hatred based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion.

"The editors of the publications that were gagged are aware of the law and the limitations the Constitution has placed on freedom of expression and would respect those," he said.

"It is not for the courts to assume that the law is going to be broken and make the decision for editors."

The editor of South Africa's weekly Mail and Guardian newspaper, which published one of the disputed cartoons in its edition that came out on Friday, said she was surprised by the furor over the issue.

"I don't think they are brilliant cartoons, I don't think they make a great play for freedom of expression and I didn't know they would cause the offence and harm that they did. I thought that we lived in a more liberal and freedom-loving society," Ferial Haffajee told SABC radio.

South Africa court bars Mohammad cartoons

Semi-OT: from MEMRI via Jihad Watch:

[Sheikh Al-Qaradawi] We are not a nation of jackasses. We are not jackasses for riding, but lions that roar. We are lions that zealously protect their dens, and avenge affronts to their sanctities. We are not a nation of jackasses.

He seems awfully defensive about not being a jackass...

#114 E2M
#115 Pointed Stick:

I can see the unveiling now:

I have here, a sculpture of the Prophet (PBUH).

I have here a large glass jar of transluscent bacon grease.

In a moment, we shall have art ...

#119 Dianna

Really? That takes guts considering how badly some Bush supporters were treated during the election!

Can you imagine the pressure on those folks?

#66 Jocund Mavis

I would make one exception to that commentary. Many if not most of us DO understand exactly how important Mo is to them. But we hold that to be no excuse and still think their reaction is unreasonable, to say the least.

Articles keep popping up with the "But you just don't understand how offensive this was" meme, as if the people with the problem are not the ones throwing bombs and lighting fires (Not, I understand, the point of that particular article). We understand perfectly already and still condemn their actions.

#121 religion of bacon:

He then added:

HEE-HAW!

#122 Jheka
and homer simpson reinterpreted as mohammed for good measure?
mmm...bacon...

#122 Jheka

a sculpture of the Prophet

a large glass jar of transluscent bacon grease

and a sculpture of a goat or a young Muslim boy?

#112 Rayra

Also of use, there stock trends:

2 year trends

Update on #76...
Islamic scholar who disseminated cartoons of Prophet speaks out

He said the images were not meant to be mistaken for cartoons published in newspapers, but protesters have cited the drawings during their rallies.

When asked by CBC News why he included these images when they had nothing to do with the published newspaper cartoons, Akkari defended his actions.

"It was taken out of context and somebody is trying ... to give us the guilt for what is happening."

The real context is that he took a picture of a pig calling contest and said it was a picture of Mohammed (see #76)! I'm sure qualifies as blasphemey. Off with his head!

#119 Dianna:

you should bring them a pie or something. That sort of chutzpah should be encouraged.

Let's put the blame for cartoon violence where it properly belongs: With Warner Brothers.

Merry melodies, indeed!

what is so offensive about the elephant dung art? i don't get it...

with the mohammed cartoons there was a clear intent to offend and while i laughed at the "we ran out of virgins" one, i can see how it would offend some--it was designed too.

I don't see how the elephant dung art is offensive at all, except to those who don't understand how life works...

#121 religion of bacon

If they're not a nation of jackasses, then they need to stop acting like jackasses.

Dung Mary reprinted for show
Points out what the Times doesn't know
That to stir up equivalence
Is worse than ambivalence
It's setting the bar way too low

#122 Jheka

Well, I dont know art, but I know what I like.

mmm, sacrilicious.

Good. As illustrated by many above, the reaction to "Dung Madonna" will not involve murdering priests, imams, burning down embassies, etc. The same non-reaction will occur when the Danes publish the winning entries of the holocaust cartoon contest sponsored by Iran. Yet another contrast involving Western Civilization as compared to ME and Persian Barbarianism. Keep 'em comming!

#127 religion of bacon:

Now, now ... my aim would not be to be offensive ... mainly to create art in an alternative medium ...

:)

Hey hey hey! Don't forget that time the Christians killed Scorsese for that Christ movie.

121 religion of bacon

Reminds me of the Syrian soldier in that P.J. O'Rourke book about travel:

I am not donkey!

As he procedes to tell him that the engine in the "trunk" of the VW is stolen, and very recently, because it's still running...

#123 Sarah D.

Yes. And it makes me angry. Where can they turn for protection?

For instance, where's the editorialist from the paper in Jordan living, right now?

The Piss Christ ticked me off. I found the artist's attitude offensive, and my tax dollars went to support it (which really ticked me off). I have no respect for the "artist" in this case, even though he has technical skill.

When I saw the Dung Madonna, I was initially ticked off, but when I read the artist's explanation, I actually got what he was getting at, and so I became - if not unticked, less ticked. I still didn't like the piece, but I understood the point and respected the artist.

As a Christian, I felt a bit offended in both cases. However, I have a BA in Art (among other degrees - I went to school a lot, back in the day), and I am capable of analyzing art with a degree of professionalism. As an American, I am capable of honoring an artist's right to freedom of expression in both cases.

In neither case would I have tried to kill the artist, burn down the museums, boycott them, or anything of that sort.

What would Mohammed do?

86 Raya

stop using words I have to look up:

hagiographic:

ha`gi`o`graph´ic (hă`gė`ǒ`gråf´ĭk)
1. of or pertaining to the Hagiographa, or to sacred writings; - same as hagiographal
2. of or pertaining to hagiography

-- DRG --...
;>P

#96 writes:

Comparing this [publication of Virgin Mary rendered in dung] to the Mohammed cartoons [not published] is specious.

The NY Times writes yesterday:

"The New York Times and much of the rest of the nation's news media have reported on the cartoons but refrained from showing them. That seems a reasonable choice for news organizations that usually refrain from gratuitous assaults on religious symbols, especially since the cartoons are so easy to describe in words."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

And the next day they publish a full-color photo of the Virgin Mary rendered in dung:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The juxtaposition of the "mainstream" media's zero hesitation to publish anti-Christian images, vs their refusal to publish these cartoons is a 100% valid comparison.

They are hypocritical dhimmi cowards.
 

#135 Kragar:

Gummy Mohammeds!

Eat all you want!

Is there a better definition of cowardice than only picking a fight with someone you know will not hit back?

This should not be a surprise, since journalists, as a group, are wussies.

Like academics, they were the kids who really only felt at home in the safety and structure of the classroom and were way out of their element and their league on the playground -- they are genetically uncomfortable and unfit for the free and open market.

They want rules to protect the weak from bullies -- champions of the underdog. They thrive in an autocratic environment like the classroom, where their verbal skills are rewarded, and they yearn to reproduce that environment in the real world, thus their universal desire for socialist/communist government structures. The self-reliance and self-determination of the American way is repulsive and scary to them. They want the teacher to blow the whistle and stop those big bad baddies like George W. Bush. His overt and unapologetic masculinity is what they hate the most about him. Well, second most: his disregard for their entire profession, being a man of action, not words, is anathema to their very core of their self-identity. Similarly, since America is the ultimate Overdog, they see all American foreign policy through the viewpoint of their own scared and resentful childhoods.

That is what was so refreshing about seeing the Powerline guy toss out some questions to Teddy and Turban on Capitol Hill. Finally, someone without the inherent personality flaws and weaknesses of a journalist, actually doing journalism (and, ahem, somebody with a high enough IQ to not have to settle for j-school).

Okay, I feel better now.

IIRC at the time of the elephant dung Madonna kerfuffle there was some attempt at multiculti waffling, to the effect that in Nigerian culture, covering someone's portrait with elephant dung is a sign of respect (or some such crap). Never mind the Ofili was British, of course.

So maybe if we can convince the Islamists that in our culture, portraying someone with a bomb in his turban is a sign of respect...

128 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

(Pssst! Don't invest in dead trees!...)

Let's see if we can talk Ofili into covering a picture of Mo in elephant dung and putting it on display...

I just wish that the Jews hadn't beheaded Mel Gibson ... I mean, he's done some good work ...

That cartoon of the fused turban was da bomb!

The NYT is slowly circling the bowl and hearing the gurgling sound of their own demise. Trouble is they are so high on their horse they don't see the train coming down the tracks. 41% loss of profit? Nice work guys! Keep it up!

*spits*

#138 ellem
hey, there were a lot of amish and concerned christians who rallied in lancaster near my college when that tripe was shown on campus...
those amish can be downright scary, with the beards and the speaking in old german and all...

The MSM is the enemy!

132,

what is so offensive about the elephant dung art? i don't get it...

with the mohammed cartoons there was a clear intent to offend and while i laughed at the "we ran out of virgins" one, i can see how it would offend some--it was designed too.

I don't see how the elephant dung art is offensive at all, except to those who don't understand how life works...

Were you born this stupid or did you have to really work at it?

#130 Jheka

I'm thinking about it. I know their daughter, I used to take her bike-riding. She likes my medium black dog, too, but her little brother's terrified.

#140 Dianna

The first thing that comes to mind is that like-minded muslims need to band together. Unfortunately, we see little of that except among those with extremist views.

Daniel Pipes has always said that we need to support these brave people, I'm just not sure how to do it.

OT

This is rich:

Hamas sets out conditions for peace

Take a wild guess at what they are. Times up.

1) return to 1967 border
2) right of return

I will give Guardian some credit for this line though:

Israel took control of the West Bank - a part of Jordan - in the six-day war of 1967, along with East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Sinai peninsula - which belonged to Egypt - and the Golan Heights, a part of Syria.

At least they acknowledge the fact they were under Jordanian and Eygptian control prior to 67 and not they're own state.

I once wrote an Ethics 101 paper about Cartoon Violence. I concluded Tom & Jerry were not as bad as Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote

#152 Dubs

The MSM is the enemy!

Agreed.

PS- good to see you back and hopefully feeling better!

{Dubs}

Like I said before...

Do you guys remember the NY "artist" that created an exhibit of a crucifix inside a jar of urine?

Don't know where that guy is today, but I guarantee his head is still attached.

Time to repeat this quote from Queen Margrethe II of Denmark:

We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.

We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance.

And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction.

Thank you, Your Highness.

The NYTimes doesn't fear Jews and Christians if anything its vice versa

NYTimes feels powerfull intimidating Jews and Christians - it likes to make the weak feel powerless and to be the controlling one. Hey that's just like the islamists - How Liberal of them

Its like the bully can't bully another bully only a non-bully

The NYTimes has met its match with muslims but can still terorize jews and christians unequivocally

MN Ronin-

Glad to be back! A day without LGF is like a day without Chocolate.

So what is the NYT really up to here? I think this: They republish this insulting piece and hope for a spate of angry emails. They can then gather these up, perhaps add them to the Joint Chiefs' letter about the Toles cartoon, and voila, all the material they need for a moral equivalence position. "Yes, the Muslims are angry over cartoons, but hey, the Christians are just the same. Why, look at these nasty letters." THAT is the sacred position. If they can't find it ready-made they will fabricate it.

NYT
~$51/share 7/02
~$48/share 2/04
~$28/share 2/06

Circulation, both daily and Sunday has been roughly stagnant since end of 2002. Daily total and Sunday total circulation increases between ~2500 and 4000 the last three years running... about 0.03% increases over previous year.

They are dead... just don't know it yet.

/good riddance

In a startlingly naive front page article in today's Toronto Globe & Mail reporter Doug Saunders interviewed a young Danish Muslim named Ahmed Akkari who claims he was the person who travelled the Arab world showing his dossier of the Danish cartoons in an effert to generate "a diplomatic protest". The man claims he didn't mean to create all this trouble.

The problem is, Akkari's account is contradicted by Lorenzo Vidino's column in NRO where he claims a Danish immigrant from Palestime named Ahmed Abu Laban traveled in the Danish protest group.

Akkari presents himself as a soft-spoken "Islamic scholar". Abu Laban is a firebrand preacher who once worked as editor & translator for Ayman al Zawahiri (formerly of Copenhagen, now in a cave somewhere in Pakistan) at an Islamist newspaper the published in Denmark during the mid 1990's.

The Globe & Mail article doesn't mention Akkiri's connection to Laban, but he has been described elsewhere as "his teacher".

Furthermore, yesterday the Globe & Mail ran a guest column by Tariq Ramadan wherein he claims he "happened to be in Copenhagan" back when the issue first errupted. Ramadan claims he cautioned the Danish Muslim leaders to mount a calm and moderate protest. Well, Ramadan has a long history of saying one thing in English (or Danish) and another thing entirely in Arabic. Who knows what he really advised? But Ramadan's contacts in the Arab world certainly would have opened doors for the Danish entourage.

I am convinced there is much more to this story than our lame media is willing to imagine. Does anybody have any links to information about all the people on the Danish Muslim protest entourage? Either Abu Laban was or wasn't on the trip. But his involvement in planning the trip is without doubt.

116 RaiderDan

"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam."
Actually, I think its ``CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of fear of Islam.

You know, I think the NY Times and CNN would be much better served by simply telling the truth as to why they will not run the cartoons. It would go something like this:

"We spent several hours debating whether or not to show these controversial cartoons, but have decided that discretion is the better part of valor. We know that there are many Muslims who would react violently to our publication of them. While that violence might make for good copy, it would also put everyone of our overseas reporters in physical jeopardy. That jeopardy costs money, because we then have to pay such correspondents more to get them to go to such insane, violent places. Furthermore, we would likely have to put our offices into security lockdown. The measures necessary to safeguard our security and disburse "combat pay" to foreign correspondents, would cut deeply into our budget. And as you know, with our circulation and advertising revenues dropping like a rock, our budget simply can't afford the hit. In a word: we are afraid. Printing these cartoons would put our lives, both financial and physical, at risk. And we are not willing to risk it. Thank you, and have a nice day."

religion of bacon

Front to back in the winter, back to front in the summer...

Wait a minute, I didn't know this. Do they issue a fatwa when the seasons change? If they don't it sounds like an ooportunity for some poor ignorant fool to piss off Allah. No way, surely there is a fatwa.

#88 Lively 2/8/2006 09:52AM PST
The NYTimes article keeps refering to the Danish newspaper as a "conservative newspaper"...as if they're devils.

Scroll to the bottom to see a Jordanian cartoon depicting the Danes as the devil now, because of the cartoons.

Is it supposed to be ironic, insulting someone in cartoon for insulting cartoons?

121 religion of bacon
So you think Memri he doth bray to much.

re: 168, that's re; 18.

PIMF

And of course they use the article to get in another Abu Graib jab.

What a pathetic lot.

#132 cokehead

So, in other words, free speech ends when liberals (and other groups given "victim" status by liberals) take offense to it.

Therefore it's OK to offend Christians but not Muslims. Smearing shit on Madonna is "art" and people should appreciate it. Smearing shit on a Koran is offensive and blasphemous.

Go do a couple more lines, it'll make you smarter.

#121 religion of bacon:

Jackasses are hard workers, and will carry a large burden for those who need them to.

A lion sleeps all day, runs rough shod over the lionesses - who by the way do the hunting.

Yup. I'd say they are lions.

#162 Dubs

and I would imagine that withdrawl from either is rather painful for ya!

;)

If you want to email the new Israeli terrorist enabler, I mean weak jewish leader, with your 2 cents..

eulmert@knesset.gov.il

Let him know Jews don't Expel Jews

Also that the criminals aren't jewish families with homes but the terrorsits shooting rockets and killing their citizens and maybe he ought to spend more time on combatting them

And one more thing:

I may be a perfumed fop, but I'm sick and disguisted with the general attitude of the "arts community", that they're so special, that no one is allowed to criticize them, or get in the way of their taxpayer-funded paychecks. They contribute less to society than plumbers, and should recognize so. Bunch of narcissistic asses.

One big reason CNN would never show it: America-hating and muslim tush-kissing enemy Christiane Amanpour would have the dilemma of calling those who cut her checks racist.

#177 Earth2moonbat

They contribute less to society than plumbers...

Hey, plumbers are very very handy to have around! Unless you like using an outhouse.

#169 me

For more cartoons depicting as the devil those who drew Mo, see the second one down.

A cartoon insulting those who drew insulting cartoons.

#163 Dead Sea Squirrel

They can then gather these up, perhaps add them to the Joint Chiefs' letter about the Toles cartoon, and voila, all the material they need for a moral equivalence position.

They're on it! Scroll down to the third cartoon.

a Danish children's author looking to write a book about the life of Muhammad

With all the killing and pedophilia, I don't think a book about the life of Mohammed is really appropriate for children.

with the mohammed cartoons there was a clear intent to offend

How do you know there wasn't "intent to offend" with the Dung Virgin? You assume there isn't intent, and that makes you naive. Artisits have tried to stick their fingers in the Catholic eye for centuries.

#132 cokane:

I don't see how the elephant dung art is offensive at all

Meet me at the National Zoo with a portrait of your mother, and I'll show you.

Mosque Raid in England Uncovers Terrorist Weapons Cache:

The Independent
February 7, 2006

Terrorist weapons were seized in raid

By Neville Dean and Nick Allen

Police risked offending delicate religious sensitivities by raiding the Finsbury Park mosque, but their actions were justified by the mini-arsenal of weapons, terrorist paraphernalia and forged passports they found inside.

Operation Mermant, which began in the early hours of January 20 2003, involved scores of officers in body armour using battering rams to enter the building.

Full details of what they discovered during three days of searches can only be revealed today following the conclusion of Abu Hamza's trial on race hate charges.

The stash of equipment included chemical warfare protection suits, or NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) suits, as they are technically known.

They were found together with three blank-firing pistols, a stun gun and CS spray.

Officers also found a gas mask, handcuffs, hunting knives and a walkie talkie.

Detectives believe the equipment was being used in terror training camps located somewhere within the UK.

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

132 cokane

It's offensive to many Christians - and non-Christians, actually - because of the following:

1. Elephant dung is shit that comes out of an elephant anus.

2. The Virgin Mary is the more perfect human being ever and forever, to Christians.

3. Juxtaposing the unclean and the holy and pure is, on the face of it (no pun intended) an insult to the holy.

I remember that the great (but naughty) Caravaggio's Death of the Virgin was critized (reviled might be a better word) because the Virgin looked - well - like a dead human being, with all the usual wear an aged human would exhibit. Of course, that was 500 hundred years ago.

rayra

At least with a clean tub you won't be one of the unwashed masses.

#168 abu_garcia

There's no need for a fatwa, the Islamic wiping rules have been around for a long time. It's one of those things like not facing Mecca while pooping (I'm not kidding) that every good Moose-lim knows.

And remember to flush twice, it's a long way to Mecca...

You can show the Virgin Mary covered in Elephant poop, and that’s free speech but you can’t show cartoons of Mohammad, because that’s blasphemy?

In a newspaper?

In America?

In 2006?

While Muslims attempt to burn down embassies and kill people?

Are we in the twilight zone?

Since Zombie's getting hammered with traffic here's an alternative if you need your fix of fresh Mo'toons...
THOSE MUHAMMAD CARTOONS! ... by all the top cartoonists!
"Thank you for the drawing Billy, but now we'll have to kill you."

"Athiests storm newspaper office after twelve blank sheets of paper were published!"

what is so offensive about the elephant dung art?

I'm Catholic.

I'm offended.

But I'm not gonna riot or try to kill the artist.

And there lies the difference between the RoP and the rest of humanity.

#23 Ploome:

I say good. It'll backfire on them. When the world sees the repulsiveness and hatefulness of the Holocaust cartoons, compared to the relative innocuousness of the Mohammed cartoons, the non-muslims everywhere will get an even more accurate picture of the face of Islam.

#187 Cattt

Catholics revere Mary. Protestants don't.

Personally, I think that rather leaves Protestant sects without the feminine element, and makes the faith colder and harder.

On the other hand, when it's salvation through grace, and nothing you can really do about it, and you can't even be sure you're saved, even if you've had the experience of grace, well, it doesn't get any harder, or colder, than that.

186 William

Also - interesting side note.

The police, in planning and carrying out the raid, had help from Muslims who had been scared away from the mosque by the radicals. They actually made arrangements to be as respectful as possible of the mosque itself during the raid, with the help of these Muslims as well as Muslims on the police force.

When the former trustees took repossession of the mosque, they were horrified to find it filthy and in disrepair, due to misuse by the radicals. They had to close the mosque to clean and repair it.

Copies of Koran found lying in a drain in Pak
Press Trust of India

Posted online: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 1428 hours IST

Lahore, February 8: At least 3,000 protesters enraged by the alleged desecration of the Koran clashed with police and torched two cinemas in Pakistan's second largest city Lahore, police said on Wednesday.

The city, was tense after the mob rampaged through a poor neighbourhood overnight and also smashed up dozens of vehicles, local police officer Mohammad Abbas said.

The trouble erupted late on Tuesday when copies of the Muslim holy book were found lying in a drain in the Bhatta chowk area on the fringes of the sprawling city.

"The news of the desecration of the Koran spread quickly in the neighbourhood and within no time some three to four thousand people took to the streets shouting slogans against the desecration," Abbas said.

don't see this happening outside the NYTp's offices yet...

3000 Dead
-Never Forget-DRG...
;>P

#132

The whole point is that Catholics won't generally band together and torch an embassy, or say behead a newspaper's editor.

That's all there's to it.

The interesting thing is that by their own hypocrisy the LLL have proven the arguments of LGFer's and righties world wide - that Muslims are more prone to be violent than anyone else.

How's that for a little shadenfreude?

#17 BD_VM

Dude, Wookies are way more reasonable than Muslims.

Wrao ra raa raa ar wraaru raar ro ooh?

Translation: Do I look like a filthy animal to you?

---

#41 brent

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is still a hero of mine.

In addition to being hot. ^_^

---

I would never desire that the gov't shut down the NYT. I would however, be very pleased for it to close, totally destitute, and demand that the government give it no subsidies (like it does the airlines).

Dianna-

Catholics revere Mary.

They pray to Her. Any other demonination pray to a woman?

Note the moral equivalence by the wimpy Kimmelman: he speaks about the Joint Chiefs of Staff writing a single letter to the editor about a cartoon as he mentions the rioting going on in three dozen countries. Asking "What is going on?

What is going on Mr. Kimmelman is the 6th Pillar of Islam: The obligation of every able-bodied adult male to defend Islam by murdering the non-believers. This is very very difficult to grasp for the NY Times and indeed Western writers everywhere, there are people out there, lots of them, who are going to kill you for their religious beliefs. Which part of this don't you understand? Can you not walk south a few blocks and see this 16 acre hole in your city? What will it take? Huh? What?

195 Dianna

That's a point, re Mary. Being Catholic, I am not sure what Protestants actually feel, inside, about Mary. No matter what, they don't like to see Mary covered in dung, I'll bet.

#199 MegaTroopX:

Line of the day (so far)!

Wookies are way more reasonable than Muslims.

Excuse my fucking french, but look at these bald-face liars, doing their best to fan the flames.

Via Michelle Malkin...

In addition to the fake drawings and photos and the other lies included in the Danish imams' propaganda pamphlet posted over at The Counterterrorism Blog, my reader reports that Danish radio has enumerated additional falsehoods.

The imams reportedly spread lies that the Jyllands-Posten had 120 cartoons, not 12, and that the paper was owned by the government. (There are no state-run newspapers in Denmark.) In addition, the imams reportedly claimed that the Danish government would censor the Koran, burn the Koran, and that Danes were planning to make a blasphemous movie about Mohammed. (Brussels Journal and Jyllands-Posten had initial reports on these lies.

Same thing with the left wing Minneapolis paper. They said they will not print the carttons as they don't publish things that are offensive. Yet they have never shied away from mocking Christians, especially Catholics. They have a pretty nasty editorial page.

OT - Turkish Youth Arrested for Killing Italian Catholic Priest

Thread's deep enough to go OT so have at it.

Hoo boy.

Amazingly, the day after I post a rant about how the NYT does not hesitate to publish images offensive to Christians, they go and do it.

Man, Little Pinchy and his pinko "news"paper are freakin relentless. Absolutely relentless.

Actually, I wonder if the NYT is working their way up to showing the pix of Mo' by first establishing their "bona fides" by republishing the "Piss Christ" and the "Dung Mary". We will see.

Whatever.

They'll post a anti-Christian image because they know their offices won't be burnt to the ground

compared to...

#48 OddsOn

"NYT?" What's an "NYT?"

I think it's pronounced "nit", as in the verminous insect.

#200 W-lover

I'm not sure what the Anglican position is; it's been too long since I spent a lot of time studying the various theological positions of various churches.

And you'd have to ask someone who knows more about the Orthodox position than I do, too.

#199 MegaTroopX:

In addition to being hot. [ref to Hirsi Ali]

Her home country does appear to have certain natural resources.

IIRC, when the Elephant Dung Madonna (I think that was during the "Blonde Ambition" tour, right) was exhibited, the only folks protesting and making a stink (pun intended) were Muslims, as they hold the Virgin in great respect, being the mother of the great prophet Jesus.

#166 rayra
I'm confused at your seeming indifference to it.

I DID receive your files and I DID respond to you that I got that. Not sure why you didn't get my email on the subject.

You have to understand that yesterday I came under a whithering cyber-attack and had MANY serious issues to attend to ASAP. Re-doing my file sizes was the least of my worries -- I had my personal security to deal with first. Plus, I got hundreds and hundreds of spams and viruses coming my way, in an attempt to overload and shut down my email account, because I was framed as a spammer.

Long story. PLUS, I have many real-life issues to deal with as well.

Out of the 200 zombietime emails I had pending to answer and deal with, yours was the #1 priority and I did respond to it.

In any case: I've got the files. Will update site eventually. There's only 24 hours in the day, and I've got 48 hours of stuff to do each time the page turns.

#208 abu_garcia

I'll bet 500,000 quatloos that they won't.

200 W-lover

And we pray to the saints also. My patron saint said this:

"I shall spend my heaven doing good on the Earth. After death I shall let fall a shower of roses."

They'll post a anti-Christian image because they know their offices won't be burnt to the ground

True.

We'll just break out the Templars and crusade on them.

;)

#202 Cattt

No one, even a non-believer like me, likes seeing Mary spattered with dung. It's like trampling the cross. I don't confuse the symbol with the reality, but it's still something I don't much approve of.

Dave the...

I think you, I and the other MN Lizards should hold the Strib to that.

I give them 3 days before they knock Christians, Jews and/or Republicans.

#204 oh_dude:

and that Danes were planning to make a blasphemous movie about Mohammed

I suppose we could pair that one up with the Gay Jesus movie and have an urban legend double feature!

Cattt-

Off topic, but is there a patron Saint of Chocolate?

#221 W-lover
why yes, yes there is...his name is Nagin, the mayor of "chocolate town"!

#23 ploome hineni

I have no problem with that. The images of Mohamed, esp. "the bomb" and "terrorist Mo," made the [bigoted word]s look bad because of the truth they contain. The holocaust denial images will make the [bigoted word]s look bad because they will contain no truth.

Win-win here...

W-Luv

Yeah, when someone brings that paper to work, I check out the editorial page to see what way they are attacking Bush or Conservatives that day.

Not really joking, I think the staff needs theropy. Their obsession with Bush can't be normal.

Ofili's painting was defaced deliberately by an offended RC. There's a picture.

A better move would have been to stand next to the painting with an equally-large, flattering portrait.

pointed stick-

If Nagin's a saint, then I'm a mooslim.

#221 W-Lover

I couldn't find you a patron saint of chocolate, but here's a list of the patron saints of cooking, grocery stores (St. Michael?!) and the kitchen.

Enjoy.
Patron Saints of the Kitchen and Culinary Arts

#226 W-lover
he is to the lll media!
asalam alechem sister! (j/k) ; )

The hypocrisy of the NYT is easy to understand and is best explained by this 2001 Dry Bones cartoon.

Dave the...

I read the left over Strib on the bus. I do the same thing, reading the Op-Ed page. They are sick, sick puppies, and I'm glad I don't give them my money.

pointed stick-

'round here I say COCOA ACKBAR, Baby.

Dianna-

Thanks!

And IHTGBTWN. :(

I support publication of all of the Mohammed cartoons, even the ones the Danish Muslims themselves made up, in every newspaper in the land, plus any additional ones to boot.

But, just out of curiosity, how many lizards support publication of the cartoons, but also support a law banning burning of the American flag as a protest?

Fellow Pajamas guy Eugene Volokh has a pretty convincing case to make that burning the flag is the U.S.'s test of allowing offensive protesting speech because we are a free society.

[Link: volokh.com...]

I hope Lizard Nation agrees. Otherwise, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

#231 W-lover
lol! hi-ho snackbar!
right, enough sillyness you.

OK, this is a bunch of bad jokes. I've found a link that lists St. Catherine of Aragon (the only historical Catherine of Aragon I'm aware of was Henry VIII's first wife, mother of Queen Mary) as the patron saint of ballroom dancers, and Our Lady of Carmel as the patron saint of candy makers.

Oh, honestly!

#220 OR

They could also show Broke-Butt Mountain for the afternoon matinee...

Gordon-

Burning the Flag, IMO, is an act of respect. It's the protesters who don't understand that they are respecting the flag when the burn it.

Education- it's a beautiful thing.

BTWN...

#232 Gordon

People can burn flags; I don't mistake the symbol for the thing itself. But if they do it in front of some service people I've known, don't stand close to the flag burners.

#232

I think burning the US flag is immoral, despicable, and just plain wrong. However, I don't want it to be illegal -- I want to know who the putrid scum are that would do such a thing. Also, burning the flag is almost certainly a death knell for any political career (unless your last name is Kerry, that is), so there's another reason that I don't want it to be illegal: less moonbats who can run for office.

Now, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind if the cops "looked the other way" while some Marine beat the snot out of any little puke who would burn a flag, but hey, that's just me.

Charles

Take a look at the editorial "Bonfire of the Pieties" in today's edition of The Wall Street Journal (at p. A16). According to the author, Amir Taheri, the very premise for the "cartoon wars" is specious at best. Tahari writes that the position advanced by the militant so-called Muslim Brotherhood that "it is against Islamic principles to represent by imagery not only Muhammad but all prophets of Islam...[and] the Muslim world is not used to laughing at religion." As the author plainly observes, "Both claims, however, are false." He goes on, "There is no Quranic injunction against images, whether of Muhammad or anyone else...[and] the claim that a ban on images is 'an absolute principle of Islam' is purely political ...[and] is refuted by history." So, it looks like this whole damn episode and the resulting rage and destruction by Muslims that followed were COMPLETELY BOGUS from the start! No surprise there, one supposes.

Let me see if I got this straight in my mind. It is super duper, fine and dandy, first amendment protected Okedockey to mock Christianity, but unthinkable to be critical of islam or offer the complete story (showing the cartoons) of the Danish cartoons. The Grey Lady is wearing a burka...a quaking cowards covering.

#232 Gordo

As a proud Lizard I fully support the people's right to burn the U.S. (or any flag). There's one for your tally.

Just find it the epitome of irony, burning the very symbol that allows them to do such a thing without any fear of retribution from the goverment. If people want to be idiots, that's their problem.

Also, do they allow burning of the Iranian flag in Iran?

Just curious...

*Sniff – Sniff *

I smell troll...

And Charles just had the carpets cleaned!

#232 Gordon
well burning of a flag is hardly "speech" now is it? despite the ever broadening interpretation, i respect our nation, but have no problem with flag burning --the islamists have been burning flags for years, who cares, it's a symbol. the principle, however, i will defend to the end.

195 Dianna

Catholics revere Mary. Protestants don't.

In fact some "high" Anglican Protestant churches often venerate Mary as much, if not more, than many Roman Catholics do, including statues, pilgrimages, incense etc.

216 cattt

And we pray to the saints also.

Hmm. If you're Catholic, you shouldn't. First Commandment and all that. You may ask Mary and the saints to intercede with G-d on your behalf, but prayer should be addressed only to Him.

Glad to see the response to my question. When I was a Boy Scout leader doing the Citizenship in the Nation merit badge I illustrated the First Amendment freedom of speech with the flag-burning example. I told the Scouts that what such protesters were doing was not illegal, but was wrong, and as Scouts THEY had a moral duty to argue with the flag-burners and try to stop the flag desecration.

I hope Lizard Nation agrees. Otherwise, you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Nice blanket statement, Gordo. We all march in lock step here, right? jackass.

232 Gordon...

I hate it when I see the American flag torched, however, I personally never did support a constitutional amendment barring such practice. However, even if I or others here did want flag burning made illegal, how do you compare supporting legislative action to achieve ones goals vs. killing/maiming/arson?

#232 Gordon

I don't support a ban on flag burning even though I spent 6 years of my life protecting the country it represents.

I also don't support laws banning "hate speech" and "hate thought". I don't support any of the PC rules on college campuses.

I don't support any laws with the purpose of keeping someone from being offended. I think people should be offended - it makes them think, keeps them from becoming complacent.

You realize that this means that you will have to put up with anti-abortion protestors as well as abortion protestors, neo-nazi marches as well as rainbow coalition marches. And Columbus day parades, native american team mascotts and logos, insensitive jokes, rap lyrics, and general bad taste.

Thats the beauty and ugliness of free speech. The border of freedom TO speak vs the freedom FROM hearing offensive speech.

#244 Fidei Defensor

Thanks.

Did the Anglicans keep confession? I seem to remember that they did, but some of the theological positions I remember make me doubt that.

Gordon

If you try to burn a flag next to me, I'll take it away from you. Just try and stop me.

My uncles, who were better men than you, died so that flag could fly freely.

BlueChip

And Charles just had the carpets cleaned!

My dog waits until we shampoo the rug before peeing on it, it seems. I think she does it just to prove that no cleaning can remove the scent from HER superior nose.

#232 Gordon

I am against banning the burning of our flag. Adding such an amendment, imho, would violate the first amendment. Can we even DO that? If we can, it's a bad idea to do it, and I doubt you could scrape together even a handful of legislators that would be ignorant enough to do so - left, right, or in between.

Slippery slope, free speech, defend to the death, right to say it, etc., etc., yada yada.

And just where do these people get so many American flags in a Middle Eastern country?

They must buy ‘em by the gross. Cottage industry, I’d imagine.

“Hey Achmed, give me 6 American, 4 Danish, 3 Israeli, and throw in a couple of Union Jacks, too. Oh, and a bic lighter”.

WTF?

#245 Gordo

Why is it that so many liberals whine about how we shouldn't stereotype people and then turn around and blantantly do it themselves?

When a white person makes an assumption about all blacks (e.g. they dance well) it's sterotyping.

When a black person makes an assumption about all whites (e.g.they're all racists) it's called ___?

When a liberal makes an assumption that everyone on a certain blog agrees in every detail about a specific topic, what is that called?

#244 Fidei Defensor

Hmm. If you're Catholic, you shouldn't. First Commandment and all that. You may ask Mary and the saints to intercede with G-d on your behalf, but prayer should be addressed only to Him.

Prayer to Mary and the saints is simply a request for intercession, as you said-- not an act of worship. No idolatry involved.

An obvious precedent, now comically tame by comparison, is the "Sensation" show at the Brooklyn Museum in 1999, a promotional bonanza for the British collector and wheeler-dealer Charles Saatchi, who owned the art in the show. The exhibition incited protests by the Catholic League. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani played the stern dad to a bunch of publicity-savvy artists whose work included a collage of the Virgin Mary with cutouts from pornographic magazines and shellacked clumps of elephant dung.

Okay, how in the heck can they even compare the two? And to say "comically tame by comparison"? Are they nuts!?

P0rn and elephant dung making up the Virgin Mary vs. mo with a bomb in his turbin.

Mo did promote killing. ♪♪♪ It's in the Koran! ♪♪♪

#131 JWF

We could count on the Warner crew to be on the right side if it went into the pot.

"Of course you weawise, this means war!" *shotgun ratchet*

/Dreams of "Roger Rabbit" sequel with this premise

Heck, let's invite some video game characters along for the ride. Mario can resurrect the flamethrower, Sonic and Solid Snake can do infiltration, Link can show 'em how to really wield a blade, and Master Chief and Mega Man can break out their big guns.

/I so want that energy sword

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#167 kayawanee

MSM wouldn't know valor if it shot them in the head.

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#190 Blue Chip

can anyone do a good Rod Serling-esque voice?

A show about the bizarre things going on today would be good.

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#193 Minnesota Ronin

And there lies the difference between the RoP and the rest of humanity.

Point of order. They'd have to be part of humanity for this sentance to be grammatically correct.

It's more like the difference between two similar, yet radically different, species.

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#238 MoonbatBane

Now, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind if the cops "looked the other way" while some Marine beat the snot out of any little puke who would burn a flag, but hey, that's just me.

Given the high concentration of miltary folks (present and former) in both the faculty and student body at my school, I'd like to see moonbats try to molest recruiters like they do in the people's republic of CA. At the very least, they're failing all their classes, especially the ones taught by the former Air Force and Marine officers.

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#232 nodrog

RE: The 'bats who like to burn flags as "protest" "speech":

You know what their speech says to me?

"I'm a stupid dumbass who is incapable of making a cogent or reasoned argument. So I'll just try to piss you off instead. And if you react, I win! LOL! Look at me fight the power!"

Way to influence people. Any wonder the 'bats lose ALL the time?

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#248 ColoradoJim

I also don't support laws banning "hate speech" and "hate thought". I don't support any of the PC rules on college campuses.

I'm not much a fan of any of the laws with "hate" enhancements. They are racially targeted, inherantly subjective, and almost demand abuse.

Are they nuts!?

Yes.

#259 MegaTroopX

Point of order. They'd have to be part of humanity for this sentance to be grammatically correct.

Point taken, but you know what I meant.

;)

oh dude

When a liberal makes an assumption that everyone on a certain blog agrees in every detail about a specific topic, what is that called?

gordonics?

#202 cattt

I was raised Catholic and became a Born Again Baptist in my 20's, so I've been on both sides of this street. I can't speak for the belief's of anybody else but myself. The whole focus of my belief is John 3:16, and that salvation comes by faith alone through grace alone, via what Christ did on the cross for me. As such, Mary is not a diety in my eyes, but still someone to be respected and appreciated for her role in the historical occurances of the time, like John the Baptist. I find the elephant dung item offensive and sad that someone would do that. But that's their hang up, not mine.

#262 Silhouette

You're close with "gordonics," but the correct answer is an average concensus IQ of 71.

Ah, yes, the Nodrogs are back, derailing what they consider to be an anti-Islamic thread again.

It's how they get their kicks. . .

(Didn't we spray for Nodrogs?)

Who does the Democratic Party 'leadership' get its marching orders from?

Is the NYT in "self-destructive mode"?

Is the Democratic Party in "self-destructive mode"?

(Is there something wrong with my thought processes on this one?)

ot: rush on cavuto fox news NOW

We just lost the war, folks. Time to pick your burquas, ladies!

Didn't see a thread for this butCNN Passes on Showing Cartoons

Michelle Malkin notes that CNN has decided not to show the Mohammed cartoons that have been printed in several European and American newspapers "because the network believes its role is to cover the events surrounding the publication of the cartoons while not unnecessarily adding fuel to the controversy itself." Well, sure. That would explain why CNN didn't show the Abu Ghraib photos.

CNN
The Chickenshit News Network
obviously owned by the Gray Lady.
What shit!

How do the folks at nyt sleep at night, or any other time, for that matter.
Have the imams of Iran bought them out? Any reasonable American citizen would not read a newspaper that would cave to our enemies.
What a bunch of anti mainstream drivel they put out!
/rant off

[Otherwise, you're a bunch of hypocrites.]

Well, either way, you are a cock knob.

No matter what, they don't like to see Mary covered in dung, I'll bet.

Got that right!

/former Catholic, now Protestant

I hope Lizard Nation agrees. Otherwise, you're a bunch of hypocrites

Well, sorry to disappoint. If a person wants to burn our flag...let 'em. They're the ones who look the fool, not I.

Interesting. Mary is the most revered woman in Islam. Did you catch that lefties? Any of these dopes ever read the Koran? God, I'd write another joke, if it were not for the fact that this is just too damn funny.

Anybody have a copy of the "Dr. Seuess Goes To War" book? Looking at the WWII cartoons, it is amazing how much of what was true then is true now: the yellow journalism (the NY Daily News (any relation to the Slimes?), Chicago Tribune and Washington Times Herald playing their "harmless little game of Popping The Commander-in-Chief".

Or a limerick for the NYDN AKA "The Old Grudge of 42nd Street", called "Sauerkraut Symphony":
A GRUDGE, blowing hard as he's able
Sits high on his own Tower of Babel,
And millions he treats
To the same brassy bleats
That Hitler oft feeds us by cable.

Plus cartoons that deal with disunity, slaggards, defeatist, etc. All you would need to do is change a few words here and there and you could run them today...