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Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 8:02:48 am PST

Bruce Bawer tells the story of a stunning Norwegian capitulation in the face of sinister initimidation. (Hat tip: Simon.)

On February 10, in Oslo, came a dramatic capitulation that seemed a classic case of sharia in action. For days, Velbjorn Selbekk, editor of the tiny Christian periodical Magazinet – the first publication to reprint the now-famous Muhammed cartoons from the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten – had firmly resisted pressure by Muslim extremists (who made death threats) and by the Norwegian establishment (which urged him to give in). But then, on that morning – the day before a planned mass demonstration against the cartoons – Norway’s Minister of Labor and Social Inclusion, Bjarne Hakon Hanssen, hastily called a press conference at a major government office building in Oslo.

There, to the astonishment of his supporters, Selbekk issued an abject apology for reprinting the cartoons. At his side, accepting his act of contrition on behalf of 46 Muslim organizations and asking that all threats now be withdrawn, was Mohammed Hamdan, head of Norway’s Islamic Council. In attendance were members of the Norwegian cabinet and the largest assemblage of imams in Norway’s history. It was a picture right out of a sharia courtroom: the dhimmi prostrating himself before the Muslim leader, and the leader pardoning him – and, for good measure, declaring Selbekk to be henceforth under his protection, as if it were he, Hamdan, and not the Norwegian police, that held in his hands the security of citizens in Norway.

Selbekk, in his prepared remarks, leaned heavily on the usual soothing multicultural language, including the word “understanding.” It was clear that Selbekk had indeed come to an understanding: he understood that if he didn’t relent, he risked physical harm. He also spoke of “respect” – a word that in this context must surely have been understood by the imams to refer not to a volitional regard for a social equal but to the obligatory deference of a repentant infidel. As for Handam, he noted that “Selbekk has children the same age as my own. I want my children and his children to grow up together, live together in peace, and be friends.” This was rather chilling, given that Selbekk’s family, too, had been under threat.

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1 loppyd  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:03:33am

Unbelievable. How sad.

2 Sheepdogess  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:05:22am

We're doomed.

3 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:05:28am
4 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:05:50am

I recommend any sane Norwegians and Swedes immediately relocate, as your days are numbered.

Good luck.

5 Ol' flyboy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:06:39am

There is a big difference between understanding and cowardace.

6 rw in san diego  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:06:55am

From the story:

... as if it were he, Hamdan, and not the Norwegian police, that held in his hands the security of citizens in Norway.


This is probably very close to the real truth.

7 hepcat  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:07:00am

Lutefisk isn't the only thing that sticks in Norway.

8 doppelganglander  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:07:34am

And this, boys and girls, is yet another reason to be glad we do not have a state-controlled press. Or a large population of unassimilated, violent, arrogant Muslims.

9 hepcat  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:07:40am

#7 correction

'stinks'

10 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:08:15am
Norway’s Minister of Labor and Social Inclusion

This Big Brother language is enough to explain the whole thing.

I laugh thinking at the moment when the dhimmis will come to UNDERSTAND that no price is enough, no low level is low enough...

Bye, wormtongue.

11 rockman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:08:16am

They should have hauled out the battle-axes, pikes and swords like the Vikings of old.
They seem to be new-age, sensitive metrosexual Vikings these days...How sad.

12 Bubbaman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:08:17am

May I have some dhimmi to go with my pickled herring?

13 world b. free  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:08:59am

That last paragraph is chilling indeed.

This reminds me of the Handel apology.

14 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:10:27am

F*** this. The citizens of these countries have been abandoned by their leaders. The only way they can fight back that I can think of is a general strike until the governments collapse.

15 ROPMA  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:11:36am

The muslims will have to be smacked down HARD for this intimidation to stop.It will likely be the Americans who do this, not the Norwegians.

16 Capt. Queeg  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:13:16am

#14 Dr. Mabuse

It's not clear to me that the citizenry care if the dhimmified or not. I think the attitude is: just keep the checks coming, and we'll go along with it. Sad days are coming for Europe.

17 Capt. Queeg  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:14:39am

PIMF

...care if they're dhimmified or not.

18 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:14:45am

So, let me get this straight.

One chicken-XXX leader can sell out an entire country's population into Dhimmitude?

This just sucks.

I guess it CAN happen here.

There certainly are enough American creeps like Bjarne Hakon Hanssen and that Velbjorn Selbekk charactor to pull it off here, too!

19 MohawkDaddy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:15:13am

Wow. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Not really but I feel like I should. Man, those Euro's roll over quick don't they?

20 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:16:23am

#17 - Well, Capt'n, if that's the case, then they can take what's coming to them. I presumed that there was still a spark of life in the people, but if that's truly extinct, then nothing can save them.

21 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:17:21am

Imam convicted of rape

A 41-year-old imam from eastern Norway has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison after being convicted of raping a 30-year-old woman in the southern city of Kristiansand.

Bet he is out in 18 months.

22 gymnast  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:17:27am

What are the lessons learned from these threats followed by apologies? I think that we are are the road to civil disturbances that will verge on civil war. The other fork in the road is surrender and Dhimmitude. We know which road most of the media is on.

23 plutosdad  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:18:06am

he says "gee, i'd hate to see your children harmed" as if it's right out of a Sopranos episode, and the left says Bush is fear-mongering?

There are several jokes I wrote that I'm afraid to put on my site, especially because some people know where I was performing in Chicago and might figure out who I am.

I don't know who i'm afraid of more, the nuts that want to kill me if I say the wrong thing, or the Left that sell me out to them.

24 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:18:59am

Well, folks...this is what it's come down to. Veiled threats and intimidation on the part of the Islamocrazies designed to stifle the (seemingly) diminishing voices of freedom in the West. I can't blame the poor bastard for trying to protect his family. His government certainly isn't going to come to his aid. I'm guessing the poor sap had no viable alternatives. Capitulate, or live in constant fear. The unfortunate thing here as that once the facists have marked you, there's no turning back. This blackmail vis-a-vis threat of death will continue to flourish and expand, virtually uncontested. The only way to slay the serpent is to cut off it's vile and filthy head.

25 mattm  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:21:36am

How many religions can say that they will kill you if you don't follow their every word. well besides Islam.

26 SevoGuy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:22:30am

Is there NOBODY who will take a STAND...

Wait...

G W will.

If this happens in the USA, I will fight. SO HELP ME GOD. Yes, I will FIGHT against the FALSE proPHET known as muhammad and his army of death.

27 gaby  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:24:16am
we are doomed


We are not (at least not at this point).
It is a war. Some battles we win, some battles we lose. The end is not near.
We are just foot soldiers and our prime task is to expose islamism in spite of MSM's obfuscations.

28 Sean  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:24:30am
What are the lessons learned from these threats followed by apologies? I think that we are are the road to civil disturbances that will verge on civil war.

Well Gymnast, now you and I know why the First and Second Amendments to the Constitution were the very first ones that were put up as the bill of rights.

It's time to go shopping for guns, people. When the gov't fails to defend your rights you have to be ready to fight.

29 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:24:33am

#25 mattm

How many religions can say that they will kill you if you don't follow their every word. well besides Islam.

I would say the Religion of Liberals.

30 westbankmama  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:26:18am

As an Israeli/American who knows too many people personally affected by terror due to the infamous Oslo accords, I can't help but see the irony of this.

Don't worry Norway, I am sure that this will just ensure the peace between you and the Muslims in your country.

/sarc

31 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:26:55am

#18 mean gene

I guess it CAN happen here.

Oh, rest assured. In virtually any mosque, in any city here in the US, certain elements surely plan on a daily basis for the time when dhimmitude will become the accepted American way of life. For the time being, be much more wary of the situation in Europe. Those folks appear to be enjoying the eleventh hour of their freedom.

32 dustyroadguy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:27:40am
This reminds me of the Handel apology.

handel apologized because his employer told him to, not because the government did...

the day that a United States Government Offical stands over a 'press member' in a situation like this is a day that the muslim community in American will deeply regret...

/jus' say'n...

-- DRG --...
;>P

33 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:28:08am
34 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:30:38am
35 Sean  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:30:59am

I have a question for the crowd:

Where is your "Line in the sand" drawn?

Everybody's different, I know. This is way, way past mine.

36 The Albatross  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:32:10am

Norway is the white b*tch of Islam. Europeans? Hey, sure do hope you all are paying attention.

37 mrsoc  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:33:47am

OK so what do we do?
How do we prevent this madness from spreading here?

38 pork rinds for allah  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:34:10am

just be patient

the normal viking people will rise to the threat, and we shall see what happens...


the more islam over plays it's hand the more violent the reaction...

pass the pork rinds

the party is just about to start

39 Prester John  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:38:11am

I'd like to see if the number of US visa requests from Europe has gone up at all over the last 3 months or so.

40 The Albatross  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:38:30am

#27 gaby 2/16/2006 08:24AM PST

RE: "we are doomed"

"We are not (at least not at this point).
It is a war. Some battles we win, some battles we lose. The end is not near.
We are just foot soldiers and our prime task is to expose islamism in spite of MSM's obfuscations."

Damn straight.

41 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:39:40am

rw in san diego

Unfortunately, it sounds as if the safety of Norwegian citizens IS in the hands of Hamden---not the police, and not the Norwegian government. Both of these entities appear to be utterly spineless.

(Note the chilling little reference to Selbekk's children "living in peace" with Hamdan's---an implied threat. Also, in cases like this---not necessarily Selbekk's in particular---I wonder if there also isn't blackmail at work?)

Whatever the reason---things don't look good. Boycott Sweden and Norway, support Denmark!

42 visitorstay  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:40:14am

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others."

President George Bush.

I think we all could learn from this fine man. Remember, we are in a war against Terror, not Islam.

43 Terp Mole  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:40:47am

In other Norwegian news: Islamo-fascist thuggery on the high seas;

Indian sailor lynched in cartoon row

An Indian sailor was allegedly beaten to death by his colleagues on board a Norwegian oil tanker in international waters off the coast of Fujairah in the UAE, after a fight ensued among the seamen after an argument over the cartoon issue, a media report said.

Officials confirmed the death of 31-year-old Sudheer Nonia Jagannathan, of Mumbai, but refused to comment on the incident. “We have been informed about the death. Our officials visited Fujairah Hospital and collected the details. Investigation is on and the consulate will render all help to repatriate the body,” an Indian official told Khaleej Times. The entire crew aboard the ship was from India. It was coming from New Manglore in Karnataka and heading for Fujairah with chemicals. The deceased worked as a fitter on the ship. The captain of the tanker has denied any foul play. He and his crew members were remanded in custody of Fujairah Police, reports said.

Nice to see Norway employs Islamo-fascists on their industrial chemical tankers.

44 gymnast  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:42:54am

#35, sean. Liberal enjoyment of Second Amendment rights allows the rational exercise of those provided by the First. The concept of the armed free citizen has allowed this country to be the beacon of freedom in a troubled world for over 225 years.

45 javems  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:43:11am

What is it about Europe's leaders that they are so quick to sell out thier people?

46 Broomer  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:43:15am

Go beyond boycotting Norway and Sweden. Help get the Jews and Christians to leave the countries.

JG

47 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:44:28am

#37 mrsoc

OK so what do we do?
How do we prevent this madness from spreading here?

Well, as you have probably gathered in your LGF experience, many Lizards feel that it is vitally important that the enemy has an inkling that there is a clear and present danger that his neighbor here in his "adopted" home is adequately prepared to resist and repell the threat. It's called the 2nd Amendment.

48 marshafactor  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:44:48am

Remember when Braveheart, the movie came out, and everyone loved it, and it seemed like people cared about freedom and courage and bravery.
What a crock. Everywhere you look there are wusses, who wouldn't die for anything, let alone causes worth dying for, like Freedom-or the right to free speech. If we don't stand up now, we don't deserve the freedom we will certainly lose.

49 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:45:51am

Both Sweden and Norway can now join France as having admitted that they are part of the dar- al-Islam, and that they no longer have control over their own jurisdictions.

Remember that old LGF contest on which EU nation would be the first to adopt sharia? Do we now have a "winner"?

In the UK, the Anglicans seem to be ready to do the same, having already apologized to Muslims for the war in Iraq and voted for divestment from Israel. And is there any reason to believe that the blasphemy bill, which failed to pass only narrowly, will now again be crammed down the throats of the British people?

How soon before the rest of Europe adopts "blasphemy" laws, designed to protect you-know-who?

50 gymnast  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:47:20am

#42, Times change doncha' know. Bullshit Moby's don't. Cancel your visit, stay at your own risk.

51 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:47:40am

Did I mention that I loathe Islam and its Holy Pervert from the skin of my soles to the peak of my pate?

52 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:49:43am

Visitor,

If it makes you feel better.

I think we're in a war against Islam, and no feel-good bromides will make that go away.

There isn't enough room on the planet for Islam and the rest of us.

53 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:51:03am

#42 visitorstay

I think we all could learn from this fine man. Remember, we are in a war against Terror, not Islam.

For now, this is the accepted protocol. I'm not saying anything new here, but until the "peaceful" people of this faith convincingly demonstrate their renunciation of conquest through terror and murder, the line of demarcation is fuzzy, at best. I don't hear those voices of repudiation. Not at all.

54 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:52:21am

I predict a massive immigration of Scandinavians to America, to which I say 'welcome, now get your arses to work like the rest of us!'

55 HopelessJones  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:52:31am

Europe seems to have a certain pattern to dealing with external threats.

pacifist.
pacifist.
pacifist.
pacifist.
pacifist.
pacifist.
NAZI !

anyone notice the same thing ?

... there may yet be a tipping point.. but if there is, I'm not exactly sure which I'd be more scared of... The snapback from this level of condescendsion, considering what the level of homegrown threat will be when Europe wakes up, will be very ugly indeed.

56 gymnast  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:52:59am

#46, Broomer. I'd rather see them stay and fight. If people won't fight for their rights, what rights do they deserve? Only those that they earn. Sometimes the wages must be paid in blood for the bounty of the work to be of value.

57 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:53:42am
58 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:54:07am

#8 doppelganglander

Don't be so sure. The jihadis are here in the U.S. They are just keeping a low profile until they feel the time is right. In the meantime, they are using all available means of coercion in their power (political, educational, etc.) as they build their numbers through our too flexible immigration laws. We lambaste the euros for their continuing dhimmitude, but we've a large population of dhimmis in waiting here in the U.S. and a constitution that guarantees them enough rights to make it an uphill battle to stop them in their tracks when the time comes. It's eventually going to get ugly and watching our own home grown dhimmis roll over will be sickening. We will then be facing a two front war, against both the islamic jihad and our own liberal dhimmis.

59 The Albatross  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:54:38am

RE: #42 Ah, er sure. Sure would hate to upset the moderates. Which ones were they again? Oh yeah, I remember now... the quiet ones.

60 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:55:46am
61 westbankmama  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 6:56:44am

#46 Broomer - I'm with you. This is the part of the story where those with survival instincts start converting their wealth to something portable, and they start investigating moving to Israel (at least for the Jews).

Seriously. There are rumors going around Syria that the Jews are behind bird flu, and that we are engineering it to attack "Arab genes". This is, of course laughable, but there are many who will believe it. What do you think will happen if people start to die of bird flu in Europe?

Look at what is happening over a cartoon.

62 johnCV  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:00:32am

The press is too busy with Cheney, NSA, Abramoff, Gitmo, AbuGrabass etc., to report the fact the WE ARE AT WAR AND UNDER SEIGE?

Has there ever been a time in history (and I mean world history) when one culture has been at war with another, but one side does not acknowledge that conflict? Are there any parallels to todays situation where the muslims have openly declared war on our society and our leaders and press consistantly ignore the threat?

Really, I'm asking.

63 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:00:36am

#60 I don't think GWB is a dhimmi at all. I think he's just got to play politics. He can't come out and say "We hate Islam!"... what good would that do him? Or us? Instead he was TRYING to put on an optomistic face while wiretapping the sh*t out of actual terrorists (until some treasonous pricks blew it). I do have my issues with him though, including the border, other stuff... but to call him a dhimmi is to put him in the Abercrombie-Kos-Moore camp. THOSE are dhimmis.

64 The Albatross  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:00:51am

"#49 Darwin Akbar 2/16/2006 08:45AM PST
Both Sweden and Norway can now join France as having admitted that they are part of the dar- al-Islam, and that they no longer have control over their own jurisdictions.

Remember that old LGF contest on which EU nation would be the first to adopt sharia? Do we now have a "winner"? "

Yes Johnnie, tell em what they've won!

We can only hope that lawyers worldwide will be deeply in debate over each and every word in every proposed blasphemy law from now until the end of time. The secularists and nihilists must really be freaking out.

65 gymnast  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:03:27am

#60, AI. You campaigning for Al Gore in 08? Or can I convince you to jump on the Bandwagon and support my Man, The Reverend Al, the moderate middle, the progressive soul of the Democrat Party?

66 Paul  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:04:08am
"The lights are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our lifetime."

Sir Edward Grey, 1914. It's appropriate for Europe in 2006

Only in dhimmified, socialist Europe could there be a Minister for Labor and Social Inclusion.

67 bordergal  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:05:06am

Per Robert Spencer over at Jihadwatch, all sources for this information are MUSLIM.

Non muslim sources in Norway are denying this report.

Stay tuned, it may just be more MSM (muslim supporting media) baloney.

68 visitorstay  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:05:56am

#57 American Infidel

President Bush is NOT a dhimmi. Your disrespect of our President is not much different than the disrespect for ALL religions that is fueling the hate. Whether people are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Hindu even, they are all God's creatures. President Bush knows what he's doing, there is no need to defame an entire race or people due to the actions of a few. There are 1.3 billion Muslims on earth, only a small percentage are getting in the news. This is not unusual.

69 HopelessJones  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:06:12am

Hi Cartman !

For now, this is the accepted protocol. I'm not saying anything new here, but until the "peaceful" people of this faith convincingly demonstrate their renunciation of conquest through terror and murder, the line of demarcation is fuzzy, at best. I don't hear those voices of repudiation. Not at all.


Actually, I don't think they can say this, because the koran says otherwise. If a "muslim" were to say otherwise, he or she would be an apostate, and their head would be forfeit. There may very well be such in the muslim faith, but silent and dhimmi-fied. I doubt we shall hear from any of them.-- unless there is a violent confrontation where the muslims get really knocked down. then all the fanatics will but on their happy face and claim to have been a good guy all along.

70 visitorstay  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:07:24am

#63

Exactly! Thank you!

71 Talking Stick  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:08:31am

#2 We're doomed.

Not really; Whenever risk is involved, resolve is tested, and the ranks are thinned. Fighters are never well served by having cowards on the front line.

72 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:09:46am
73 Canadastani  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:12:16am

Not that there is a whit of difference between Norway and Sweden, but how exactly did Sweden get into the headline here? The whole story is about Norway. They may well have their own dhimmification moment (later today at the rate Europe is going), but there is no need to muscle in on one that Norway earned all by itself.

74 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:12:23am

#61 westbankmama

If bird flu does start decimating Europe, if it's anything like the 1918 epidemic, I suspect most people are going to be too weak and feeble (or dead) to do much of anything. Moslem countries, given their generally bad medical care, and unsanitary living conditions, and the amount of poultry they live in close proximity with, will probably be among those hardest hit.

(Ahh, what a cheerful day! First Norway and Sweden, capitulating to Islam, and now bird flu! And, of course, the never ending jihad! Some days, Lizards, it just don't pay to get out of bed!)

75 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:13:55am

#58 uvgotabekiddingme

Yes, I'm afraid a two-front war might be in the offing. I hope it isn't, but I'm afraid it may be.

(Some days. . . )

76 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:16:25am
77 PDM  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:20:41am

Oslo? Scene of the crime? Again?

78 westbankmama  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:21:08am

#74 TalkinKamel - hey, you forgot the nuclear weapons that Ahmalittlecrackpot wants to send over my way!

...where's my chocolate...

79 doppelganglander  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:22:59am

#58 uvgotabkidnme: Certainly there's cause for concern, but Muslims are a very tiny percentage of the population here compared to Norway, Sweden, or Denmark, which are very small countries to begin with. They will certainly try to use our own constitution against us. But ultimately I see the U.S. trending conservative -- the liberals are getting shriller as they become increasingly powerless. Also, unlike Europe, we've got a heavily armed populace.

80 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:23:31am

#69 hopeless jones

unless there is a violent confrontation where the muslims get really knocked down. then all the fanatics will but on their happy face and claim to have been a good guy all along.

Hmmm...sounds familiar, doesn't it? Remember the abject denial of responsibility proclaimed all around in post-WWII Nazi Germany?

/”hi” back atcha

81 GOBAN  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:24:56am

#74

Bird Flu, Bird Flu
Rah, Rah, Rah!
Send them all back
To Allah

82 grayp  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:25:12am

#67 bordergal

Per Robert Spencer over at Jihadwatch, all sources for this information are MUSLIM.

I clicked over to jihadwatch when I saw your post but don't see what you're referring to.

Help?

83 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:25:47am

#18

"There certainly are enough American creeps like Bjarne Hakon Hanssen and that Velbjorn Selbekk charactor to pull it off here, too!"

I know of no quicker road to civil war. Were our leaders to take us towards dhimmitude, those leaders and those who join them in betraying our country would be dancing spasmodically from lamp posts.

84 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:26:20am

#76, okay I agree with you that was a stoopid thing for GWB to say, and probably was a line that was fought over, I don't know. But the larger point I'm making, is that you must admit that, although we here at LGF would like GW to do more to stop the spread of fanatical Islam, he has also done WAY more than any other leader in the Western world to advance the cause of freedom and peace.

85 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:28:45am

#81, that's a disgusting thing to say. Toddlers, babies and the elderlywill be hardest hit. As the mother of two babies under 5 years old, that's just revolting...

86 Greg  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:29:36am

#68 visitorstay quoted:

"There are 1.3 billion Muslims on earth, only a small percentage are getting in the news. "

...Then we better start cut them down real quick...this religion wants everyone dead be it Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian or nonbeliever...

87 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:31:10am

#81, I supppose Michael Yon's picture of the American GI cradling a MUSLIM Iraqi child caused you joy. SHE was sent back to Allah too.

88 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:32:32am

Western Europe has become Frenchified. They have become french toast. Slap some butter on them and let dogs have a treat. Notice that none of the dhimmi cowardice is showing up in Eastern Europe? Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, the Baltic states; nary a word of appeasement from those quarters. If Europe is to be saved, its salvation will come from the east and America, with perhaps Australia joining in on the fun. We won't need any more than that to stop this menace. I hope we have the resolve to do what's necessary.

89 The Albatross  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:32:40am

Let's just knock off the ones that scare us... it's about terror, not Islam eh?

*wink wink nudge nudge*

90 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:36:21am

#89, of course it's about Islam. Islam needs to change, or DIE. The faith needs to change. That doesn't *necessarily* mean that every single Muslim needs to be wiped from the earth, that's a.) not freakin practical and b.) religious genocide.

I will always believe that hearts and minds CAN be changed, if ever so slowly, while we make it SO impossible for radicalism to win.

Right now, with dhimmitude encroaching Europe, we have a BIG PROBLEM on our hands in our efforts to change those hearts and minds over the next generation.

It's a sociological problem.

91 genard  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:36:34am

Declare Norway a rogue state.

Boycott Norwegian products and nationals.

92 Canadastani  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:37:02am

#84 Patriot
You are right on point, but most of American Infidel's posts are about how bad Bush is. No, there is no other Western leader doing more to move things in the right direction, but AmericanInfidel just wants to blame Bush. That's AI's choice-nothing wrong with it- just there is a trend.
Why are Norwegians Dhimmies? Bush
Why do most US liberals seem more concerned with terrorists' rights than defeating the enemy? Because Bush is an idiot
etc.
AI is actually not a person, but a randomizer program that spits out every 15th post on LGF.

93 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:38:13am

Oh, I see. Well that's an awfully good handle for a randomizer program :-)

94 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:38:16am

#26

"If this happens in the USA, I will fight. SO HELP ME GOD. Yes, I will FIGHT against the FALSE proPHET known as muhammad and his army of death."

I've got your flank, brother.

95 Fjordman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:39:05am
Not that there is a whit of difference between Norway and Sweden, but how exactly did Sweden get into the headline here? The whole story is about Norway. They may well have their own dhimmification moment (later today at the rate Europe is going), but there is no need to muscle in on one that Norway earned all by itself.

Sweden is, as I have said many times, probably the worst dhimmi nation in the Western world. Yes, even worse than Norway. The number of rape charges has quadrupled in one generation in Sweden, thanks in part to a huge influx of you-know-who. But don't talk about it, that's racism, you know:

Immigrant rape wave in Sweden

Muslim rape wave in Sweden

Some Muslim immigrants admit their bias quite openly. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he's not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably fucked before, anyway. But the Arab girl will get problems with her family. For her, being raped is a source of shame. It is important that she retains her virginity until she marries.” It was no coincidence that it was a Swedish girl that was gang raped in Rissne – this becomes obvious from the discussion with Ali, Hamid, Abdallah and Richard. All four have disparaging views on Swedish girls, and think this attitude is common among young men with immigrant background. “It is far too easy to get a Swedish whore…… girl, I mean;” says Hamid, and laughs over his own choice of words. “Many immigrant boys have Swedish girlfriends when they are teenagers. But when they get married, they get a proper woman from their own culture who has never been with a boy. That’s what I am going to do. I don’t have too much respect for Swedish girls. I guess you can say they get fucked to pieces.”

96 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:39:57am

#28

"It's time to go shopping for guns, people. When the gov't fails to defend your rights you have to be ready to fight."

Yup.

97 Jheka  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:43:06am

Analysis of the thread thus far:

#27 gaby is 100% correct.

#42 visitorstay is a worthless moby who has been pulling the same stupid schtick for weeks.

#57 American Infidel is an idiot who doesn't understand the role of the President of the United States.

98 dustyroadguy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:43:59am
GWB = DHIMMI

All of his comments on islam are that of an islamic asskisser & should be rejected...

"There certainly are enough American creeps like Bjarne Hakon Hanssen and that Velbjorn Selbekk charactor to pull it off here, too!"

blah blah blah...

well this so called dhimmi President and so called dhimmified country has taken down TWO Islamic fascist regimes in three years and is on their way to taking down another IRAN

you all don't no WTF you are talking about, take your FEAR factor and hide in a closet somewhere, preferably in France...

-- DRG --...
;>P

99 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:44:31am

#95 Fjordman

Can we just label them for what they truly are? A-N-I-M-A-L-S. Period. Sub-humans, without a soul.

100 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:44:46am
101 paint-right  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:46:23am

All this posturing from our keyboards...I'm thinking it would take a whole lot of nerve to stay your ground and stand for what is right - if your children are threatened with death.

It is one thing to be brave and be willing to have your throat cut for a cause you believe to be just ( and it is!) but quite another thing to make the same decision for your wife and children.

102 genard  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:46:33am

And, no, visitorstay, we are at war with Islam. Like most Christians, most Muslims do not know what Islam says. When they learn they cannot renounce their worldview out of fear and social inertia.

Islam, the doctrine, is the most brutal and murderous totalitarianism every devised by man.

103 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:48:27am

#42

"I think we all could learn from this fine man. Remember, we are in a war against Terror, not Islam."

How in hell can one be at war against a TACTIC? Tactics are nothing, they have no existence, and thus can't be "defeated." We have to defeat the employers of the tactics. Bush may be coming around. He almost came right out and said the other day that our war is against Islamofascism. Almost made it clear, for anyone who wanted to hear it. Let's hope he means it.

104 TS  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:49:48am

MOTHERFUCKERS!

105 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:50:34am

#48

"If we don't stand up now, we don't deserve the freedom we will certainly lose."

That's a fact.

106 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:51:31am

#75 TalkinKamel

Yes, one can never accurately predict the future, but a civil war here in the U.S. is within the realm of possibility. Unfortunately, this is not 1861 and so the entire paradigm has changed and not in the favor of the individual American. In the face of increasing cultural hostilities within the U.S., the federal government would actually be forced to act forcefully against any and all groups in order to prevent civil unrest and the possibility of fracturing the Union. Our best hope is for the nation to pull together at some time in the near future in regards to the threat we are facing, so that it is truly us against the jihad and not us against the jihad, our fellow citizens and our own government. I'm afraid it will take more bloodshed or another national tragedy for us to begin to pull together as a nation. In the meantime, we need to be on the lookout for ever increasing attacks against our 2nd amendment rights. When our 2nd amendment rights have been weakened or eliminated, we will be at the mercy of islam, the American dhimmis and our very own government.

107 baltodog  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:52:43am

"Norway's Minister of Labor and Social Inclusion": Who is this guy, son of Neville Chamberlain?

Anybody hear about any expressions of outrage from renegade Scandanavians who don't tow the party line?

Incredible. They should lynch their so-called leaders. (Oh, but I forgot: Not necessarily any right or tradition of free speech on that side of the Atlantic, so the general population, I guess, is OK with bowing down in fawning submission, without objection, if their spineless, unprincipled dhimmi leaders so suggest.)

108 GOBAN  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:53:10am

Patriot Lizardoid,

I am a new Father myself...right after Christmas. Beautiful little girl.

There is a large group of people who believe in a religion that wants to either kill me or convert me and put my daughter under a screwed up system of perverse laws. There is an even LARGER group of people who also believe in that religion but do not actively try to kill or convert me but have absolutely NO problem with the other group trying to kill me and they even assist them with aid and comfort.

If you hold a philosophy, religious or otherwise, that claims the right to forcibly hold me to that philosophy upon pain of death and also teach that philosophy to your children as your parent taught it to you, then I consider you to be a grave danger and I have no trouble with watching as you and your ilk are wiped off of the face of the Earth.

As for Hearts and Minds? WTF? They HATE us...I mean REALLY...what on Earth did we do to them that justified what happened on 9/11? WHAT? You tell me what!

My Mother was on the wrong side in WWII and lost a sister and lots of friends to the US Bombers. You know what she wondered awhile back, even after what she went thru? Why the HELL are we pussyfooting around with these people...we did what we needed to do to stop the Nazi's...and now we fiddle around and go half hearted into this war and act like we are so sorry that we have the audacity to even defend ourselves.

Will it be sad to watch little children die from the flu? Sure it will. But it would be worse to watch my child live under Sharia Law and risk death because of some crackpot cult that fancies itself a religion and says that she has no right to exist except at the pleasure of some man.

Take your Trendy Moral Posturing and Stick it!

109 father_of_10  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:54:05am

Remember the apology website that was up after Bush was elected? All those limp-wristed liberals apologizing to the world for our functioning deocratic election process results? Well, here is my apology thread. Here is a chance to apologize to Islam and the rest of them forhow we have so besmirched the Religion of Peace. Go here to let our Muslim friends how you feel.

Islam, Please Accept Our Apology!

110 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 7:54:57am
111 Canadastani  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:00:22am

#95 Fjord
I clicked on your blog - good god! I did not realize it had gotten that bad. First off, I agree - no doubt every European country has some dhimmi going on. But the Swedes had nothing to do with this story.
Personally, I would like to take another swipe at France right now (oops, just did!) - but they have nothing to do with this story in Norway. Neither did Sweden.

112 mommydoc  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:00:47am

I'm wondering exactly why any western country would want any of these subhuman medieval throwbacks in their midst. At least our illegal Mexican migrants do some work and keep the price of produce down, although they probably drain more out of the social services/health care/system than they're worth.

What the hell does the Western world get of any value in third world muslim immigration?

113 jehu  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:04:37am

doppleganger #8

And this, boys and girls, is yet another reason to be glad we do not have a state-controlled press.

What's the difference? Our press willingly submits to dhimmitude, the government doesn't have to do anything.

114 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:05:36am
115 PDM  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:08:19am

#112 mommydoc,

I'm wondering exactly why any western country would want any of these subhuman medieval throwbacks in their midst.

Willful blindness for reasons of "peace," "love," and "understanding."

Selbekk, in his prepared remarks, leaned heavily on the usual soothing multicultural language, including the word “understanding.”

Especially "understanding."

116 mommydoc  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:09:53am

PDM: Yeah, I know. And, apparently in the PC multiculti parallel universe, understanding and tolerance are one-way streets.

117 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:12:46am

Hey Goban, no need to get nasty. I don't disagree with you one bit. I heartily accept all your points! You said it would be sad to see little kids die of bird flu. I agree. I was pointing out that a cheer of "Rah Rah" as little kids die of bird flu is inappropriate. Second, I blame the monsters running those countries and cultures for abusing, indoctrinating, and killing their children, and they are the ones that need to be wiped out.

As for 'hearts and minds'. I know they HATE us, and the ones that are willing to act on it need to be shown the punishing weight of American ferocity without mercy...

But, let's see... which country did NOT stage massive violent riots, embassy burnings, flag burnings etc... Oh yeah, IRAQ. Sure, there's people in Iraq who 'HATE' us, but they have their freedom, they are too busy working, producing, and living FREE lives that they don't have the TIME for car swarms or bomb belt assembly.

That's why freedom works. I'm not naive enough to believe that we can make friends nicey nice with the Muslim world, but I do believe we can a.) keep those who would choose freedom busy with their own productivity and b.) kill the rest.

118 quark2  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:17:26am

How sad, and disheartening.
He's been threatened, as has his family.
The message, 'bow down, show "respect", or be beheaded...your whole family'.
What a travesty!

119 CAD Daddy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:22:26am

I've seen a lot of comparison of these islamists nuts to the the Nazi's but it seems to me they're more akin to the Mafia. They get into your country using legal means but then go about taking oner using threats of violence & death if you don't give in.

120 Blue Chip  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:24:23am

#35 Sean
‘Where is your "Line in the sand" drawn?’

That’s an excellent question.

I’ve actually been thinking a lot about that recently.

For the people who generally acknowledge the very real threat that comes with {is} Islam, I think events in the past few months and weeks (Iran, Hamas, ‘Mo Cartoons, MSM capitulation) have pushed them up to, and possibly over the line. We’re many, but I don’t think we’re the majority – not yet - and I don’t think we have the ‘ear’ of the majority.

From where I sit (Blue-LLL State with a huge fear/hatred of GWB), the local LLL’s are doing verbal and mental gymnastics to explain away the actions and reactions of the Muslims (we’re somehow to blame for all this).

Logic and coherence not being the strong suit of these LLL’s and their enabler’s, there’s a lot anger, angst, and (especially) fear flowing; unfortunately it’s flowing in the wrong direction (mostly directed at us: hence the resurgence of the abu ghraib photos). When, and not if - but, when, those emotions and fears are correctly funneled against Islam, you’ll see enough people cross that line and demand/take action.

It won’t be pretty and it won’t be painless.

For anyone.

Unfortunately, I think it’s going to take something bigger than 9/11 & 7/8 to do that.

And that’s the real tragedy; Innocent people will have to die to ‘prove’ Islam is a deadly threat.

//just my 2 cents

121 Pierre_Legrand[deleted]  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:35:50am
122 world b. free  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:36:23am

#120 Blue Chip:

Unfortunately, I think it’s going to take something bigger than 9/11 & 7/8 to do that.

This is in line with my thinking as well. Islam is moving their frontlines in this war by the inch right now via many small battles that haven't raised the awareness or the ire of the MSM or the American public.

At this rate, nobody's going to notice that this is indeed a war until we wake up one morning and have lost it. It's a shame, but it's going to take a truly awful, large-scale action on the part of Islam to rouse this nation (and others) to battle.

IMO, it's a forgone conclusion that this will happen eventually. Better now than later so we can all remove our blinders.

123 Blue Chip  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:43:01am

#122
One benefit: the whole PC industry, moral equivalence and cultural neutering will be one of the first victims. Good riddance.


~Forgive me, apparently I’ve killed the thread. : (

124 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:44:21am

#101 - paint-right:

All this posturing from our keyboards...I'm thinking it would take a whole lot of nerve to stay your ground and stand for what is right - if your children are threatened with death.

True, but...sometimes it has to be done. Everyone has family. Everyone has given "hostages to fortune". Everyone has someone or something precious to them. What then? Are we waiting for an army of orphaned, childless bachelors to come to our rescue? Is it only the person with nothing to lose who can be expected to do the fighting and resisting? Does that describe the people who fought for America's freedom? Does it describe those who fought segregation? We have to think about this, we have to decide what to do while there's time, because our enemy is not interested in leaving us any breathing room. The best way to fight back and increase safety is to do it in numbers. Our enemy uses its numbers to intimidate - that's what all those violent mobs are for. One man here, one man there, standing up to fight back is easy prey. So we can't leave it to one or two - we ALL have to move together, we all have to watch each other's back and present a front too big and powerful to be messed with. That's why the cowardice of the newspapers of North America is such a betrayal - they left one or two to stand out in the open, exposed on all sides, when they should have closed ranks and made it clear that they would protect each other.

125 thinkingmom  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:45:05am

mommydoc,

What the hell does the Western world get of any value in third world muslim immigration?

Absolutely nothing. We should have stopped all muslim immigration into this country immediately after 9/11. If islam ever manages to reform itself into something compatible with western freedom (highly unlikely, since its founder and history are driven by intimidation, violence and imperialism), we can consider allowing more to come here. Not now.

126 PDM  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:45:52am

#116 mommydoc,

And, apparently in the PC multiculti parallel universe, understanding and tolerance are one-way streets.

LOL, a one-way street that leads to Mecca!


OT (and a bit of a surprise)
France has for the first time explicitly accused Iran of using its nuclear programme as a cover for clandestine military nuclear activity.

127 malatrope  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:54:23am

#122
It's going to be easier to remove our blinders than to remove our blunders...

128 abu_garcia  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:56:53am

It is apparent to me that the internet is what stands between much of Europe and total dhimmification, that may eventually be true of the US (God forbid it). We all owe a lot to Charles.

129 Celissa  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:57:10am
#120 Blue Chip 2/16/2006 10:24AM PST
Unfortunately, I think it’s going to take something bigger than 9/11 & 7/8 to do that.

And that’s the real tragedy; Innocent people will have to die to ‘prove’ Islam is a deadly threat.

I've been saying this since 9/12/01.
The most maddening part is the lack of interest most Americans have in the tenets and beliefs of islam. It terrifies me that it will take something so horrific to get their attention...

130 malatrope  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 8:59:15am

Re #128, indeed, Charles, thank you. Ride safe.

131 brenda  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:01:17am

#112 mommydoc

Please see my recent remarks comparing Muslims to Mexicans as immigrants, among other topics.

Happy Birthday, Susan B. Anthony

132 CAD Daddy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:05:31am

Use the link & read the whole piece.
That's chilling.

133 Cartman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:08:45am

#129 Celisa

The most maddening part is the lack of interest most Americans have in the tenets and beliefs of islam. It terrifies me that it will take something so horrific to get their attention...

This is going to sound harsh, but we may think we are a step ahead of the Euros and the rest of the West in our "awareness", but IMO that's largely mythical. Just step into a Wally World and conduct an impromptu survey of the average Jane or John Doe. Hell, 80% of these folks have no real-world perspective as to the realities and the stakes involved. MSM-induced tunnel vision and poor education is not exclusive to other nations. A huge portion of our population (and electorate) has been dhimmified through outright ignorance.

134 thinkingmom  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:16:27am

#131 brenda,

Nice essay!

In my opinion, nothing challenges the alleged merits of multiculturalism more than having daughters.

135 CAD Daddy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:16:30am

Up until reading that piece I found this whole cartoon jihad just amusing.

I'm not so amused any more.

136 Blue Chip  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:32:06am
The most maddening part is the lack of interest most Americans have in the tenets and beliefs of islam

I find it difficult to have an honest discussion with people on Islam when they have no idea what’s actually contained in the Koran and what the principals of Islam are.

I get a lot of “that’s not so” and “that’s propaganda” and of course, “all religions are evil/oppressive” crap.

Has anyone ever seen anything broadcast on a national or local level that shows or discusses the true goal of Islam (submission)? Why isn’t a major network or cable station investigating and reporting on this?!? Why the silence?

137 daughter of patriots  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:34:26am

Noticed [Link: www.dictionary.com...] does not yet recognize "dhimmi" or "dhimmitude", but, somewhat suitably, has "dim-wit".

138 bouzouki  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 9:59:51am

#131 brenda:

Read your column. It was very good. This is why I think women should take firearms safety courses and arm themselves.

139 TalkinKamel  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:05:17am

#78 westbankmama

Sorry, I forgot, for the moment, about Ahma-lil'-psychopath, who thinks he's the 12th Imam! Must have been the combined effects of being depressed over both the bird flu, AND Sweden and Norway's capitulation! One can only take so much misery at once.

Unfortunately, Ahma-psychoboy is probably not going to be swayed much one way or the other, if bird flu becomes epidemic (which, G-d forbid, it won't!)

He already seems to be on course for attacking both Israel, and the US. Widespread bird flu (G-d forbid) in Europe might encourage him to unleash the nukes. On the other hand, he's crazy enough, he might think it was Allah punishing the infidels, therefore he need do nothing, just wait for Allah to declare him the honest-to-goshers hidden imam, and wait for the applause.

On the other hand, if the flu becomes that widespread, he might succumb to it himself, or the Iranian government might topple (or die off), and be replaced, hopefully, by something saner.

(The times we live in are much too interesting.)

Bird flu or no bird flu, the quicker the loon is removed from power, the safer we all will be.

#106 uvgotabekidnme

A good post---a lot to think about.

Sadly, I agree with you; I'm afraid it will take something bigger than even 9/11 to pull the country together (if even that does it). Naturally, I hope this doesn't happen. This is one thing I'd like very much to be wrong about.

The best thing, of course, would be for the nation to come together, and pull together as one. Sadly, I little sign of this happening at the moment. Large parts of the populace are poorly educated, and under the sway of the MSM, but there's always hope. . .

(And see below)

#124 Dr. Mabuse

The bottom line is that all of us: rich, poor, single, married, male, female, moms, dads, the childless, we all have something to lose---and we all will lose if, as you said, we don't pull together now, and act as one.

I'm sorry for poor Selabekk, and I can certainly sympathize with his fear for his family. The point is---THIS MAN SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD TO STAND ALONE! He was being threatened---why didn't the law protect him? Why couldn't he arm himself? Why didn't his friends stand up for him---forcefully? Why weren't those threatening him exposed? Why didn't other Swedes gather around him and say, "LISTEN, YOU TAKE ON ONE OF US, YOU TAKE ON ALL OF US! UNDERSTAND?" Why was this guy basically simply abandoned by his own people, to handle death threats against himself and his family as best he could?

To quote Benjamin Franklin (don't have a copy of the quote in front of me, so forgive me if I get it wrong), "Gentlemen, we must all hang together---or we will all hang separately."

Enough with this business of tossing artists, writers and critics of Islam to the Islamofacist crocodile, hoping the critter will be content with them, and won't come after us.

140 Norwegianright  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:10:14am

The socialists are in power...

The biggest right wing party (support 22%) is demanding answers for this story and how the situation has been handled in general.

141 SevoGuy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:15:08am

I want a Blasphemy Law now. So if anyone in the world says the words "THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD," they are committing blasphemy and should be hanged. Because Muhammad AIN'T NO PROPHET.

No prophet I ever heard about screws a 9 year-old girl or wife, unless they are islamic. My God, 9 years-old...and that smell. Poor girl.

142 CAD Daddy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:29:25am

You have insulted the Family. You and your loved ones are in grave danger. You must go to the Godfather and beg for his forgivness and ask for his protection.

Religion my ass. Islam is organized crime on a scale never seen before.

143 maddog44  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:31:15am

Offtopic, sort of...
Anybody watch O'Reilly last night? The City Council of San Francisco has decided we should abolish the military. This happened on Hannidy and Colmbs. Even Colmbs was shocked. These guys would spread their cheeks for Islam in an instant. Aren't we proud of our Liberals? Look at Sweden to see where they would lead us. Can I question their patriotism now? How about their sanity? Of course the MSM would follow in lockstep. I hate them enough to... well, have coarse thoughts.

144 feedupdem  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:31:50am

Evidently “Norway” is Arabic for pussy.

145 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:48:42am

#106

"When our 2nd amendment rights have been weakened or eliminated, we will be at the mercy of islam, the American dhimmis and our very own government."

Well, like the man said: From my cold, dead hands!

I also like how Walter Willaims put it: "When they have Williams' guns, you will know that Williams is dead."

It's going to get very interesting.

146 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 10:52:26am

#124 Dr. Mabuse

Singly, I have decided to physically protect myself and my family against the jihad, when and if the time arrives, and using whatever means I have at my disposal. As a member of a community and using the LGF community as an example, we all espouse relatively similar feelings regarding the danger that Islam presents, and collectively we are heard, thanks to the success of Charles' blog (may the wheels never come off his bike!), but when the time comes to actually do something concrete (and the time is now), how do we channel all of this energy and organise our single selves into a community of action that will actually impact the problem? After reading your post, I began to think that the ideas generated on this blog and other similar blogs might actually find their expression politically (that being the most acceptable form for change in a democratic society) and that someone from the blogosphere might rise, in Churchwellian fashion, to the task at hand and lead this nation forward. So far, Zombie stands out in my mind as actually having done something that has had ramifications outside the blogosphere (yes, I know there are others). But who has Zombie's back? How can we support and even protect Zombie if we need to? We read about the cyber attacks against Zombie but secretly know they would love to do a Van Gogh on our very own braveheart. I would fight beside you Zombie if I could only figure out how. If our task is merely to support and cheer one another on and lead the cry against the muslim horde from our keyboards, we may merely be footnotes in the history books. If we can find a way to organise and take this fight into the political arena and steer the national will against the death cult of islam, we will have a say in how history itself is written. We can sit idly by for another tragedy to strike before beginning the real fight or we can begin to organise our resistance grass roots style. Anyone have any ideas? Too serious a post, I know, but the time is coming faster than we can imagine and we need a platform that we all agree on, pure and simple.

147 maddog44  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:06:27am

#146 uvgotabekidnme
Don't look for anything significant to happen in this country as far as Islam is concerned until the Islamists in this country are stupid enough to start their shit here, then lookout!

148 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:12:34am

#147 maddog 44

Actually, they ARE starting their shit - it's just under the radar but I'm afraid you may be right in a certain sense. I felt like running my mouth about it anyway ;-)

149 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:13:53am

#147

"Don't look for anything significant to happen in this country as far as Islam is concerned until the Islamists in this country are stupid enough to start their shit here, then lookout!"

That about sums it up.

150 maddog44  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:16:28am

#148 uvgotabekidnme
Well, they need to come down here to Bubba country and start some! I need the exercise.

151 xbalanke  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:24:28am
It was a picture right out of a sharia courtroom: the dhimmi prostrating himself before the Muslim leader, and the leader pardoning him – and, for good measure, declaring Selbekk to be henceforth under his protection, ...

The only thing missing is pulling his beard and slapping him on both cheeks.

152 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:26:24am

#146 -uvgotabekidnme

I think you're right - you thought more along political lines, I was thinking more of church communities. The point is, we have to rely on the "little platoons" to surround their members for defense against threats. Trying to do it alone, one at a time, will not work. It's hard, because we've become used to doing things like this; we thought we'd successfully professionalized the handling of threats by creating police and military, and we no longer had to think about protecting our families and lives at any moment. But our safety never depended entirely on the professionals. I remember when Giuliani cracked down on petty crime in New York; a consequence was that the streets felt safer, so more people came out onto them. By their presence, more citizens MADE the streets safer, even if they weren't intending to. More people meant more obstacles to getting away with crime; criminals go for easy targets - the weak and the isolated. We have to realise that things have changed; or maybe we have to realise the truth that was always there, but we'd just been safe for so long, we'd forgotten it. When people are safe in a city, it's not because each of them is shadowed by a policeman, who's waiting to crack down on anyone who tries to harm them. It's because they recognize themselves as a community, and imply by their presence that an attack on one will bring about a counter-attack by the others. There's no other way; we now see the professionals standing back and refusing to protect us. We have to make it clear both to the Muslims and to our deal-making leaders that WE are in charge of our safety, and we intend to exercise our right to it.

153 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:29:13am

#150 maddog

They aren't dumb enough to start shit like that yet. They will work their way in through our educational system and take advantage of our very own constitution to prevent us from confronting them. But, hey, I'm right there with ya, being from Bubba country myself. I just hope that when the time comes, we won't be fighting by ourselves. Need at least a platoon or so to really get things rolling...

154 uvgotabkidnme  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:40:48am

#152 Dr. Mabuse

Yes, organised resistance is the only way to ultimately succeed. If not through the political system (which admittedly can be a slooow process) then, by all means, through neighborhood groups or church communities, whatever it takes. I just hope the blogosphere helps to create future leaders necessary for the survival of our country and western civilization as we know it. Funny you should mention platoons...

155 maddog44  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:42:33am

#153 uvgotabekidnme
Dude! you've got to realise, we Lizards have tunnel vision about this Islam thing! The rest of the country and the MSM are focusing on the really important issues, like who Cheney gave an interview to after his hunting accident (obviously a sociopathic gun lovin right wing nut). You have to learn to focus on what the LLLnitwits with "journalism" degrees tell you to focus on, like the danger of "Bushitlerchimpy" trying to take away our rights! Or some other such pointless bullshit.

/must I?

156 Gadfly  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:43:17am

What interesting times.

Various European newspaper editors show a modicum of guts in publishing the most restrained religious cartoons any Christian or Jew has ever seen, only to have their politicians fall over themselves trying to apologize and appease, by surrendering without struggle one of their core beliefs.

One would think that the lessons of 60+ years ago, especially given their horrible outcome for Europe, would not have been forgotten in just one generation.

I guess we'll watch to see which course history will take right before our own eyes. Since our position is clear, that course appears to ultimately lay in the hands of the workaday Europeans. Now we can imagine how our grandparents must have felt.

157 alegrias  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 11:54:04am

#154 uvgotobekidnme

They've got us surrounded! When a moslem janitor is invited to speak on Sunday about moslems' "point of view" at a Lutheran church where he works (admittedly in Northern Jihadi Virginia, antisemite Rep. Jim Moran's district), the moonbats amongst us feel more guilt and dhjimmitude.

The camel's got his nose under our tent. We have to wake the "platoons" from their slumber or we'll end up in a noose or like the horse in the Godfather movie. That's the bottom line. We've let it happen here by going along to get along with folks who want us beheaded or in submission as the Dems already are bowing & scraping before the moslem masters, CAIR and the ACLU.

158 alegrias  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:02:11pm

#150 maddog

You may think you're safe in Bubba country but moslems in either Nashville or Memphis, Tennessee whined about alleged Koran desecrations not too long ago in some neighborhood.

The Wapo reported last weekend a brother of Hamas' leader lived in Texas working by day as an engineer with access to all the information bad guys need while also working for some "Holy Land" charity raising funds for terror while singing jihadi songs at jihadi fundraisers all across our country.

Wake up wherever you are, or Every body sing:
This Land is their land,
this land is Mo land,
this land was made for jihadiiis

159 transferthem  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:03:10pm

The next round of gang rapes, gratuitous violence, mob intimidation and straight murder that befall the nordics will be the direct result of this capitulation. If a member of my family were murdered by islamoscum I'd sue teh government for encouraging such behaviour.

PS I hope that all Jews in these dhimmi countries excape now to Israel before th RoP genocide begins.

160 ahriman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:12:13pm

#146 uvgotabkidnme:

You are so right! How?

161 hiker  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:16:13pm

#153

"I just hope that when the time comes, we won't be fighting by ourselves."

Believe me, you won't be.

162 maddog44  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:21:25pm

#158 alegrias
I don't want to be safe, I want satisfaction. And I think you will find the complaining Moslems here will have to spend a quarter to call someone who gives a shit.

163 whiterasta  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:30:06pm

The ghost of Vidkum Quisling.

Remember they strung his stinking carcass up after WW2.

The population don't care, as long as the welfare $ keep rolling in.

164 alegrias  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:31:05pm

OT but dhjimmy Zappyterrorist Spain is reducing the sentence of "Abu Dadah" from 15 years to 12--a guy who aided the 9/11 plotters! Someone with better Spanish can perhaps make sense of this:
[Link: www.abc.es...]

165 DP111  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 12:41:54pm

Fjordman

Nice to see you post again.
---
The humiliation of Velbjørn Selbekk has the attributes of a similar event that took place in Rome several centuries ago.

This incidence brings to mind Galileo's recantation- under threat of violence and in front of papal clerics - exactly what happened in Norway but with muslim imams and clerics. Unbelievable.

Galileo's forced recantation, a seminal event in Western civilisation, shut down free enquiry in the Catholic world and brought a full stop to the Renaissance in its very birthplace. It was the Protestant world that thus brought forth the scientific, social and industrial revolutions.

Now this has happened in modern Norway. It is hard not to think that a new Dark Age is in the offing - worse then before, as this one will have all the help from a mature technology.

166 TotallySirius  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 2:28:45pm

I'm sure Leif Errikson and Erik the Red are proud of their descendants.

There was a time,not long ago when threatening a Norseman was a ticket to a painful death.

167 Expat Canuck  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 2:32:30pm

We better get organized.

168 ahriman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 2:36:13pm

#167 Expat Canuck:

We better get organized.

Yeah. We better. Soon.

169 minuteman  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 3:19:27pm

Dhimmitude disgusts me.

170 saywhat?  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 4:09:35pm

#34 American Infidel

SevoGuy, no GWB will not protect you nor will the laws of the U.S. though they will be used to dhimmify you...

When I read your comment, I immediately thought of recent events here in the US. I completely agree AI.

***

Anyone still question Michael Graham's depiction of this cult's resemblance to the mafia, as the "world's largest terrrorist organization"?

Michael Graham, you were right.

171 Ol' Southern Boy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 4:29:18pm
#45. javems: "What is it about Europe's leaders that they are so quick to sell out thier people?

They're not leaders -- they're politicians.

172 Ol' Southern Boy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 4:36:58pm
#42, visitorstay: "...I think we all could learn from this fine man. Remember, we are in a war against Terror, not Islam."

I now believe we're not fighting Islamic "terrorists" or "insurgrnts" -- we are fighting Islamic revolutionaries.

Islam has grown beyond the quaint faith of a few backwater nations. It has caught fire and is expanding outward as it grows hotter.

This is a revolution, folks. They're on the march.

173 Ol' Southern Boy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 4:38:02pm

And to fight it, we will need counter-revolutionary zeal.

174 Ol' Southern Boy  Thu, Feb 16, 2006 4:41:24pm
#56, gymnast: "I'd rather see them stay and fight. If people won't fight for their rights, what rights do they deserve?"

Another way to look at it: if they don't stay and fight over there, what use will they be if they run for shelter over here?

In the middle of a war, they'd be just more dhimmi mouths to feed.

175 dhimmishelter  Fri, Feb 17, 2006 1:39:05pm
Or a large population of unassimilated, violent, arrogant Muslims.

The redundancy in the above quote is astounding.

176 dhimmishelter  Fri, Feb 17, 2006 2:00:36pm

thinking mom

We should have stopped all muslim immigration into this country immediately after 9/11.

My sentiments exactly. Also mass interrogations of this enemy within followed either by internment or deportation. Either these medieval cretins of islum who inhabit this country comport with our values and principles, or a lengthy stay in a reopened Manzanar would be in order until islum goes through a reformation.

Which of course is highly unlikely.


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