Devout Dhimmists.

Ugh.

hope my danish catholic brothers dont fold

Skovsgard, underlining that the crisis is the beginning of a new dialogue rather than a partition

I don't think the conversation between a master and his slaves really qualifies as a "dialogue."

Harald Nielsen, chief of Islam Desk in the Denmark mission organization, said they could not understand “how fast they spread

Would be a terrible thing if they got caught up in any of the protests and were handed their heads. On the other hand...maybe the rest of the dhimmis would think twice about dhimminess.

The second part of that should have been:

He has got to be kidding.

[Lutherans bending over]
"Go on, kick me!"

I am a Lutheran and I am ashamed :(

said their tickets were bought by the Danish Foreign Ministry though it was not an official visit

Yeah, right -- the Foreign Ministry just had some frequent flyer miles that were about to expire.

What a transparent crock of s**t.

We are sorry two out of twelve cartoons published in our country portrays islam as violent, please don't kill any more people to prove islam is the religion of peace.

This just in:

5 members of theDanish delegation who came to Egypt to apologize for cartoons have been murdered by a Muslim terrorist group. Said a surviving member of the delegation: "As soon as I can make contact with the terrorists who killed my friends, I want to apologize for the invonvenience and bad press they might receive for having murdered people who should never have come to Egypt in the first place."

easy

No, no, the innuendo there works pretty well.

Along similar lines, how about them Volgogradniks??

It's even worse than the "We're Sorry Everybody" website that cropped up after the 2004 Election.

Hold up. Here's a report saying that they are not going to apologize. Scroll down to read just the opposite of the Turkish headline.

More insanity in the name of religious "peace, love & understanding". Sheesh.

He said the freedom of speech did not include humiliation and insult

I'm sorry, but without the possibility of humiliation and insult, free speech has no meaning.

Sad.

Oh for cryin' out loud...what next?

/I really don't want to know the answer to that question

9 McJenny50 2/20/2006 06:22PM PST
I am a Lutheran and I am ashamed :(

Raised, confirmed in the Lutheran Church. Will never again set foot in one.

OT: Hot damn! Michelle Malkin has opened a comments section.

She is SUCH a babe.

I want to date her.

Yeah, I know she's married and has a kid. But a guy can dream can't he?

Back on topic. Dumb dhimmi preachers. How can people be so wilfully blind? And especially since Denmark's firm stand and insistence on honest, open internal dialogue on this issue is actually doing what all of Bush's "noble religion" talk has failed to do these past five years ... separating the true "moderate" Muslims from the radicals, giving them the courage to speak out? It now looks like Denmark is well on its way to successfully integrating its Muslim population. It could be a model for all of Europe.

I have but one word for them: Traitors.

And are those Muslim "clerics" going to apologize to the Lutherans for the slaughter of 15 Christians by their Muslim brothers in Nigeria?

Honestly, have we seen anything more pathetic than the RoPers in a full murderous seethe, and the rush by so many to prostrate themselves before their Muslim masters? We are truly in Bizzaro World, where those who murder and burn are treated as the victims.

Someone - anyone - needs to give these "people" something real to seethe about - like a big bomb dropped on Tehran.

...danish dhimmi lutherans...bend over, grab

ankels (prepare for a bareback mountHim

monent)...now yell, allah snackbar...

I guess they received a pat on the head and a soothing "Good Dhimmi!" from their masters.

Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time. Probably because the afterlife is supposed to be so hunky-dory and go on for eternity. So what else is new? Apologizing and groveling are hardly alien ideas for the pious, either. I think of The Meaning of Life, where the church chorus implores God not to burn them. I mean, that's basically it. Anyway, apologizing is cheap and easy if you're not restrained by sincerity. In the Big Brawl, these faux-Christian eunuch Yurpee-ons will be completely useless to our side, and are incapable of perceiving how absurd they look to sensible people.

And how many practicing Lutherans are they speaking for in this case? How many in Denmark really do keep up the faith?

It's the stuff most of us learned in kindergarden. You have to stand up to a bully or the bully will get worse. Europe is losing its lunch money.

I am not a member of the Lutheran church, although I attend one. My background is Evangelical Free Church - a denomination that started in Sweden and grew as a reformation, if you will, of the state church of Sweden.

My son, however, is studying to be a pastor in the Wisconsin Lutheran Church, a very very conservative Synod.

What I am trying to remember, as I contemplate screaming, is that the Church's mission is one of reconciliation. It is not politics. I will try not to judge my brothers and sisters in Christ as they seek to carry out their mission as God gives it to them.

However, once that mission fails, as it is bound to do, they need to cut their losses, shake the dust off their feet, and kick some serious ass.

For the love of God. (And I mean that in the literal sense).

#26 St Pancake

You've hit the nail on the head. As in Sweden and Norway, Denmark's state religion is Lutheran. It is taxpayer supported, unlike here. So they have tangled their own web.

#25 Salem

Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time.

Excuse me?

#25 Salem

Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time.

Ignorance is such a wonderful thing, heh?

My Lord, the most abundant natural resource in Europe seems to be cowardice. The Middle ease has an unlimited supply of hate. Seems like a match made in Heaven (Hell). Adolph Hitler was 60 years too early. Now, he could simply bitch the Euroweenies into submission.

Uhhh, I am sorry that good people have to live on this planet with Satan's religion. I am sorry that You poor muslims do not have religious freedom and no one can tell you the good news
your salvation is bought and paid for
thats right, it's in the bag
just accept it.

andthenblammo

Where is a nic when you need it, hey Mama Winger?

Salem - maybe you'd like to make a list of your own recent accomplishments? Just for comparison purposes, of course.

Salem, you have in one post insulted every person of faith on this blog, be they Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Muslim.

Don't forget to tip your Islamic overlord the jizya while you're there, dhimmis!

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:29

IT'S IN THE KORAN

Howdy kids--

I haven´t been posting for a while, am currently on vacation in Brazil... I hope everyone is well. Well, not *everyone*. I hope OBL and Zarqawi are both dying of impacted anal wart infection. But anyway. Good to see Charles & Co. are keeing up the good work; things here are great, and haven´t seen much in the way of blatant anti-Americanism. Okay, there was the one grafitti on an overpass in Rio de Janeiro showing Bush and OBL as best friends, but hey, that could just as easily be Ann Arbor.

May the Schwartz be with ya´ll.

Hey, Mama!
Glad to see you, and now I have to go to bed. :(

I never understand it when someone takes it upon himself to apologize for something done by another.

Like the moonbats who apologize for President Bush.

These dhimmi dominies apologizing for a decision taken by a newspaper editor make about as much sense as it would if I started apologizing for Ted Rall.

I don't feel like having my faith ridiculed on a Monday night. Too tired to listen to it. I would appreciate it though if some of my friends, be they whatever, would point out the insult that is though.

Nite.

#39

Hi St P - Night St P!

My, early to bed . . . . you must be extra happy healthy and wise!

#35 mama winger. I bet ya dont get an answer.
Thanks for fighting the good fight!

#36 jlfintx

Salem, you have in one post insulted every person of faith on this blog, be they Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Muslim.

And me, the agnostic.

#13 godfrey

wonders if Russia is just being PC or crushing dissent

I'd say that is a good question, or maybe Putin feels like he has enough Muslim problems to deal with as it is.

No, no, the innuendo there works pretty well.

I sometimes feel the need to point out the obvious.

#41 jlfintx

Hey - I'm on painkillers. I'll fight till the death! No worries :)

Nite.

#25 Salem Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time.

For real. Maybe I'll quit going to my Church. I'm sick of wasting time with food for the elderly, Christmas for the needy, big equipment for sister churches in developing countries, visits to nursing homes and hospitals and all that jazz. I could be gaming instead!

/sarc off

every time i see a story involving lutherans, theyre either apoligizing to muslims, or squwking about gay rights or support of abortion. What happened to that church? Any lutherans here to explain?

When flocks attack!

Sheeesh, sorry. I should have said religious people are extremely sensitive. Luther said every man is a priest, so I guess that makes church kind of a waste of time. Or a really dull pick-up joint.

Tell you what, I won't draw any blasphemous cartoons of Jesus. If you're reacting angrily to my simple opinion, you might want to think about who that makes you look like.

OR

It's noted that you checked in here without any PICS, but safe and happy travels anyway.

Does no one get it?

ITS NOT THE CARTOONS THAT OFFEND!

Its the fact that you are an "Infidel" that offends them. Nothing more, nothing less.

And no amount of apologies will appease that sense of hatred they have for you.

Did yu really get mariied over the weekend Reaganite?

Dumb Danish Dhimmis.

PS -Salem- you are not on my side. MY side doesn't insult everyone and call every hope and faith idiotic. As creatures of God we all (except for sons of ____ like you) yearn for home.

We, on behalf of our denomination, bow to your superior convictions, and now give the tenets of Islam higher authority and priority than those of our Gospel.

/DanishLutheran off

Can someone tell me: I've not been to church in a while, about 7 years. Are they all gone crazy? Or are there still some that are not either dhimmified or twisted in some other antibiblical, moonbattish, or cultic fashion?

I know there are, but how to find one. I grew up, mostly in Assembly of God, but, and maybe I just didn't see it as a kid, they've certainly gone off the deep end of a few things. The last one I went to was a 'mega-church'. Went once. I don't need smoke, lasers, 5 Jumbotron screens and a 52-piece ensemble. It was like a Vegas show. They passed the plate 5 times if once.

I also used to go to a small "bible chapel" in NH. Now that was my idea of a church. No deep-end diving, no twiching in the aisles, just Schaeffer/Lewis-style expositing on the Scripture by not-so-flashy folks.

---Taq

#47 monkeytime

Yes, and I can stop taking my therapy dog to the Alzheimers unit and the VA home. Daughter can give up her volunteer work on the domestic abuse hotline, and my son can pull himself off the line i n Iraq where he is wasting his time praying over the wounded, writing letters to the families of the dead, conducting services for the living, and counseling those who are oh so far away from their loved ones.

Then I could go to the bars.

dumbass

'Racist motive' to French kidnap

BBC had robots edit this one 'cause no one wanted to take the responsibility

Justice Minister Pascal Clement said one of the suspects had made it clear he attacked had Ilan Halimi "because he was Jewish, and Jews are rich".

Paging Inspector Clouseau

In a case that has shocked France, the phone salesman was discovered naked, bound and gagged, and covered in burns near the Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois train station near Paris.

State prosecutor Jean-Claude Marin had previously ruled out anti-Semitism, saying that the suspects were unemployed and motivated by money.

The writer now turns off his imagination to write this

Halimi went missing on 21 January after a date with an unknown woman, who approached him at his workplace in central Paris. He is thought to have been held on a housing estate in Bagneux, in the Paris suburbs.

Always read the last paragraph in stories like this one

An arrest warrant has been issued for Yussef Fofana, said to be the gang leader...

Danish Luthern version of Not In Our Name.

Oh monkeytime - I did not mean you. I mean SALEM

Just so we're clear. :)

#25 Salem
I am often arrogant, but I have never been so supremely arrogant as to suppose I know more about God or his existance than anyone else. Who are you to make such a pronouncement? Can you prove religeous prople are wasting their time? If so, you must know more about God than I do. I would not call myself religious, but I can't muster the gall to disrespect those who are.

yussef fofana-na na fee fi fo famma Bananna!

Luthern=Lutheran

#52 The Drizzle
Yes!

#62 Reaganite: Congrats, good sir. If i'd known you were looking for a wife, i'd have gladly given you mine;)

Tell me, is this blasphemy or is it just silly?

#48 the drizzle

As far as I, a non-Lutheran can tell, it totally depends on the synod. My son's synod is so conservative they make me look like a raving hippie.

Well not really, but you get my drift. :)

#63 The Drizzle

Congrats, good sir.

Thank you!

If i'd known you were looking for a wife, i'd have gladly given you mine;)

I wasn't looking, it just happened.

#54 Taq

Your story echoes mine. I am currently attending a conservative Lutheran church, but am studying the Orthodox Church. I'm not into flash and show either. I prefer contemplative, with good solid teaching.

ROPpers push up oil price.

Oil prices surge on fresh wave of Nigerian sabotage

Cartoons, huh? I think Saudi Arabia and Iran know exactly what they're doing when they spread hatred through Muslim mosques worldwide.

Dear Mama,
No problem - your my kind of Mama! You sound like you have a fine family to be proud of. Also - WAYYYYYYYY cool with the Therapy Dog.
I'll see you in the bar.
Monkeytime :>)

If you're reacting angrily to my simple opinion, you might want to think about who that makes you look like.

Are you implying that simple anger is in anyway equivalent to going on destructive and murderous rampages?

I suppose that when I angrily comment on the alleged upcoming Holocaust-denying cartoons from Iran, I'll be on par with people who set fire to people who pray to a different God, too.

Islam gives all religion a bad name, but I suppose a few of them deserve some respect for their civilizing influence.

Still, the word that comes to mind with the Lutheran appeasement is Quisling.

I'm going to draw a set of 12 really offensive cartoons of Luther.

Luther the anti-Semite, Luther the drunk, Luther the seducer of nuns, Luther nailing his Ninety-Five Feces to the door of Wittenberg Church.

Then I'll send them to Dominie Nissen and his brethren in Christ, and sit back and wait for the Lutheran Cartoon Riots to begin.

That is, if some of the sensitive types on LGF don't get to me first!

#66 Reaganite: that's what happened to me too. I wish you guys much happiness. I hope she is a good conservative (no doubt she is).

I just got here. Say it isn't so! Just when you think everything's gonna go well for Denmark and their homeboys had settled down, these people go off and kiss Muslim butt.

AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHH H!

Salem, I would never attack someone for being skeptical, I have been there myself.
I have served in the Navy and am currently in the Army National Guard. I would not hesitate to do my duty, rendering unto caeser what is caeser's. religious people are individuals, they make thier decisions and are judged by thier intentions not necessarily the results.

And what does Mr. Fath Allah Ya Sin Jazar, General Director of Research, Writing and Translation, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy do when he's not otherwise engaged?

Why, of course, he issues the "Islamic Seal of Approval" to the Umdat al-Salik in translation:

The Umdat al-Salik, or shafi'i Sunni shari'ah

Pity that old fool Bishop Nissen hadn't skimmed through the Umdat on his way to Cairo, his Lutheran church would not be heading the dhimmified, soon-to-be-extinct way of the English Anglican and Canadian United Church. Stupid, naive, ignorant dhimmi. It's not as though the mohammedans keep their caliphate plans secret from the khufr...

#73 The Drizzle

I hope she is a good conservative (no doubt she is).

She's actually further right than I am.

I just met the head of the entire Lutheran church. He seemed nice enough. A little PC Worldly. Like all these fools, I'm sure he assumes the Muslims are just like him, only a bit more quaint. Very scary. My church minister is conservative, but the council is hand-wringing PC.

Pat,
Who is the head of the "entire Lutheran Church"?
Monkeytime

Are you implying that simple anger is in anyway equivalent to going on destructive and murderous rampages?

I suppose not, though I don't much see the point in being offended by something if you aren't prepared to act on that compulsion. Are you demanding an apology?

Did the delegation go through the whole ritual, with an imam grabbing them by neck and yelling "pay the jizya!"

#77 Reaganite: Time to settle down!

Sorry for the OT, got a bit of a problem:

If I was in China and I wanted to access Wikipedia wasn't there a way of doing it by simply entering the IP number instead of character based URL?

Anyone know the IP number for Wikipedia?

Thanks.

This is the reason it is absolutely imperative that a religion never becomes a permanent recognized part of the state. Inevitably, the state neuters anything worthwhile, and the church is left a toothless tiger, at the mercy of political winds.

#82 The Drizzle

Time to settle down!

Great Idea!

#80 Salem

I suppose not, though I don't much see the point in being offended by something if you aren't prepared to act on that compulsion. Are you demanding an apology?

So are you saying I need to kick your ass to show how offended I am?

reaganite

Hey bud!
So where is the young bride tonight?

I'm going to draw a set of 12 really offensive cartoons of Luther.

Hey, I used to be a Lutheran! So, um, there's a good chance I'd get the jokes better than, say, Baptists.

I should have went on to bed. It can only go downhill from here.

#67 mama winger

am currently attending a conservative Lutheran church, but am studying the Orthodox Church.

Interesting. My wife was baptised in the Orthodox Church and is now a Lutheran. Of course she grew up a communist

There's no idea so foolish that you can't find ten clergymen to support it. [Malcolm Muggeridge]

Once again, events have proven Malcolm prescient.

#85 reaganite, sorry ot, but I thought you were already married?

Michelle has video showing Schumer preferring Haliburton run our ports rather than the Arab company that is slated to do so. Is Schumer trying to throw this meat to the administration to keep the ports out of Arab hands?

Please, take Schumer up on this!

So are you saying I need to kick your ass to show how offended I am?

No, I'd just think you were kind of a maniac.

#89-jlf

I should have went on to bed. It can only go downhill from here.

Don't let it get to you. Just attention seekers. Do what I do..scroll.

I am glad there are no volcanos in the mid-east.

The Danish Lutherns would have to throw a bishop or two into one to appease the angry God Mohammed.

#87 no2liberals

So where is the young bride tonight?

Sleeping, someone has to support me!

Pinging Wikipedia.com [207.142.131.210]

Salem, don't always assume your insults will be meet with a turned cheek. Sometimes anger can get the better of us too.

Catholic "brothers" won't fold. Pope Benedict is totally opposed to terrorism and supports the war on terror.

This Catholic is NOT apologizing.

#92 raidergirl

sorry ot, but I thought you were already married?

Since Saturday.

Salem:

Responding to a direct insult is not "extremely sensitive". It is a logical effort to set one so obviously wrong back on the right path, using words and sentences as a tool to that end.

I don't get it. Someone insults faith. The faithful respond, quite politely, I MIGHT ADD. And, INVARIABLY, the original insulter becomes the object of a percieved attack, and can claim victimhood status, because words, not even mean ones, in defense of a religion, CONSTITUTE VIOLENT ATTACK, to those who would casually and directly insult. Draw cartoons! We may respond verbally! And doing so is no more "sensitive" than your drawing them in the first place.

They responded to a direct, irrational insult in a most rational manner. That's not "sensitive". That's honorable.

So draw cartoons. We won't kill you. We won't burn you. We won't toss acid on you. We won't even hate you. We might even think the cartoon is FUNNY! I watched Dogma and laughed harder than I did when I watched Life of Brian!

(Still I could dissect both movies and utterly FISK the philosophical viewpoints pushed by those works of art, and that wouldn't be either "sensitive" or an "Attack" on the creators either. Nor would my editorializing constitute "censorship", or even "Shoving my views down throats", the EPITOME of leftist quotes evocative of violent-attack imagery.)

---Taq

Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time. Probably because the afterlife is supposed to be so hunky-dory and go on for eternity. So what else is new? Apologizing and groveling are hardly alien ideas for the pious, either. I think of The Meaning of Life, where the church chorus implores God not to burn them. I mean, that's basically it. Anyway, apologizing is cheap and easy if you're not restrained by sincerity. In the Big Brawl, these faux-Christian eunuch Yurpee-ons will be completely useless to our side, and are incapable of perceiving how absurd they look to sensible people.

Every person named Salem that I have ever known, by and large, have been a big waste of time. Probably because their life is so empty and goes on for eternity. So what else is new? Apologizing and groveling are hardly alien to the gutless, either. I think of my son, who implores me not to judge him, but that's basically it. Anyway apologizing is cheap and easy if your not restrained by sincerity. In the Big Brawl, the morons and gutless will be completely useless to our side, and they are incapable of perceiving how absurd they look to sensible people.

Alright, Charles wouldn't like me starting a conflagration, based on his comments last night, so I'll vanish. Maybe wait for the next thread, where I'll be very nice and polite, and make funny comments about the muslims, and maybe the occasional deep insight.

#101 reaganite, Well sincere congrats!

From BBC Web site, re the Pope's reaction.

Speaking to the new Moroccan ambassador to the Vatican, Pope Benedict said religious symbols must be respected to promote peace and understanding between different peoples.

"It is necessary and urgent that religions and their symbols are respected, and that believers are not the object of provocations that harm their progress and their religious feelings," he said.

"However, intolerance and violence can never be justified as responses to offences. One can only deplore the actions of those who profit deliberately from the offence caused to religious feelings to foment violence."

His comments came after protests over the cartoons in northern Nigeria on Saturday left at least 16 people dead.

The victims were mostly from the minority Christian community. Eleven churches were torched during the protests and Christian businesses targeted.

On Monday, police in the southern Pakistan province of Sindh arrested 23 people after two churches were burned down by demonstrators.

GW,

Thanks.

Will update asap.

#97-reaganite

Sleeping, someone has to support me!

Ha!
I hope you at least fix the gal some breakfast before she leaves. She's gotta have breakfast!

Wonder if they apologized for the fake cartoons as well?

Though the world does appear "upside down" with appeasers rushing forward to appease obvious evil, don't lose hope. Prior to WW2, the world was similarly held in sway by the intellegencia class, full of denial and cowardice(I'm still awaiting their apology for being so wrong). But when the gloves did come off, such polly-annish outlooks could not stand the light of reality. They were gone like so much dandilion fluff. It will happen again. It's lateness in appearing will raise the cost of course, but it will happen again.

I suppose not, though I don't much see the point in being offended by something if you aren't prepared to act on that compulsion. Are you demanding an apology? [emphasis mine]

of·fense n. 1. The act of causing anger, resentment, displeasure, or affront.

com·pul·sion n. 1. An irresistible impulse to act, regardless of the rationality of the motivation

Once again, you attempt to establish equivalence between dissimilar things, in an effort to justify previous comments.

And of course I don't demand or request an apology. It'd be a worthless as your original comment, seeing as how your willing to spin and prevaricate.

OT:
In the "I'm Just a Soul Whose Intentions Are Good, Oh Lord, Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" catagory

Iran's foreign minister denied on Monday that Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood.

"How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime," he said.

Maybe someone can 'splain this to me.

Monkeytime
sorry I was visiting M. Malkin.

Mark Hanson, Bishop and President of the World Council of Synods, 55 million members. Evangelical Lutheran Church. Nice man. Met his wife too. He had just come from Tanzania where Christians are true believers {that was the sermon). We got to chat at the luau afterwords.

Salem, don't always assume your insults will be meet with a turned cheek. Sometimes anger can get the better of us too.

Actually, I'd call that a chink in your armor.

_{They keep dragging me back in!}

#90 bonz

Of course she grew up a communist

LOL!

Salem:

So your insults were simply to see what reaction you would get from those offended? A cyber social experiment.

You are sooo clever (not).

If relgious folks are wasting their time, pray tell (pun intended) should we be doing with our time instead? What do you do with your time?

As an ex-Muslim, there no tolerance of tolerance in Islam. Islam remains a neo-Fascist totalitarian ideology bent on world domination according to the false text of the Qu'ran.

It's nothing but a bunch of hogwash.

We've been clucking our collective tongue over the funny, stupid, primitive mouselooms these many weeks, months and years for their relgious mania and the big chip on their shoulder about Pervert MoBombHead.

Yet when Salem makes a comment about "religious people" being time wasters, how quickly some here choose to feel "insulted."

If one's faith is worth a hoot in hell, why would it be challenged by what Salem or anybody else thinks or says about it?

I don't agree with Salem, but it would never occur to me to take it as an affront.

#105 raidergirl
Thanks.

#108 no2liberals

I hope you at least fix the gal some breakfast before she leaves. She's gotta have breakfast!

She's a coffee woman in the morning.

And now as a tension breaker I bring you:

The 2008 Democratic Presidential Nominee!

I love my new toy.

#93 Luigi

...Schumer preferring Haliburton run our ports rather than the Arab company that is slated to do so.

A Dhemmi Lib suggesting that The Great Corporate Satan be afforded this responsibility? Just when I thought I'd seen and heard it all...

#114 Salem

Actually, I'd call that a chink in your armor.

Nice. Idiot.

#117-Fuad Al'Razi

I see from your bio, you have been registered here for quite a while, but I've not encountered you before.
Please tell me a little about your background, what country you are in, and about your conversion.

Yes Cato, good Christians should just smile and serve up the coffee. We know our place, we do.

Will there be anything else for you tonight sir?

Nice. Idiot.

You see? I'm not even offended.

122 Cartman

...Schumer preferring Haliburton run our ports rather than the Arab company that is slated to do so.

Whatever his motives, I would definitely go for it.

Am I wrong in assuming that Martin Luther did not apologize to the Church for nailing a note on the door?

Freedom of speech is highly overated, as the important thing in this life is to make sure we don't offend muslims.

/sarc

The next time that an arab paper publishes a "cartoon" denigrating Jews and/or Christians, especially after all this blathering about "disrespecting" someone's religion, I expect that someone out there (and you know who you are) will be perfectly justified in firebombing a mosque and/or burning a Yemeni flag.

reaganite

Congratulations to you and Ann. May you always be as happy as you are today.

You gotta love this:

Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, the Vatican chief official in charge of interfaith dialogue...said the events should not damage the dialogues between the members of the two faiths.

The good Archbishop fails to realize that the Muslim idea of dialogue is: We talk, you listen.

BTW, has a Muslim cleric ever apologized for anything?

#121 easy, Thanks, I was gonna eat some dinner, think I will pass. OT lib students Univ of Wash stopping memorial for WW2 vet Pappy Boyington. These fools should just get the hell out of this country if they hate it so much. Sheesh. Sorry for the rant.

#120-reaganite

She's a coffee woman in the morning.

Uh-oh!
I may have to put a fartwa on her mail box. You gotta put something in the tank first thing, or else all that hydrochloric acid is gonna ruin her innerds.

#59, maddog44,

Although I can’t support Salem’s comments, I believe that most religion is a man-made invention meant to characterize the Almighty Creator in a venue that is acceptable to them according to their rules and regulations. If that works for them, and it doesn’t interfere with me, I’m okay with that. It just doesn’t work for me; I’m beyond that in my own personal relationship with Him.

In the final analysis, the Almighty is not going to ask of anyone what religion he belonged to when the time comes to meet Him. There are just too many religions for Him to play favorites. When we leave this world, like we came into it, we leave alone, regardless of whatever anyone would tell you. And when you go, no minister, rabbi, priest, shaman, or imam is going with you to hold your hand. You’re on your own. Best you do it with Him on His terms in this life and hope you got it right.

Salem:

Actually, I'd call that a chink in your armor.

Not necessarily so, oh uneducated one.

Righteous anger is a good thing. Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they are just waiting for someone to make them a martyr.

When battling evil (I'm sure you know that this is), it is appropriate to use all force to vanquish it, don't you think?

A non-religious person - or a person on the wrong side of religion - a/k/a wiccans, satanists - doesn't understand this. It's part of the cellular makeup of a person who knows right from wrong, good from evil.

Jesus was about justice, if you have studied at all you would know this.

So don't try to stir stuff up here just to try to say we are no different than the [bigoted word]s. Cuz we are.

It's a "God" thing. I guess you just wouldn't understand.

#25 Salem

Non sequiturs-R Us.

Keep your day job, ninny. You sound like a failed stand-up in Minneapolis.

#130 Stringart
Thank you!

Any who apologise to islamics are fools.

I will not:

mohammad sucks the big weenie in hell.

It is mohammad who should apologize, cinder being that he is now.

I think the important question is...who isn't apologizing for the cartoons? That seems to be a pretty select company right now. Another question would be... when will this insanity play itself out?

#133 no2liberals

You gotta put something in the tank first thing, or else all that hydrochloric acid is gonna ruin her innerds.

She drinks decaf!

Furthermore, Cato, if you scroll upwards you will see I did not say I was insulted. I asked for clarification.

That's what the words 'excue me' mean.

And the words, 'can you list your recent accomplishments.'

Neither question elicited a response, so I pursued my own thoughts.

Amidst all the claptrap about Iran's nuclear program no one seems to be noticing that the Mullahs have a situation in the oil-rich Ahwazi area that borders Iraq. And with each new bombing incident, the finger-pointing toward the UK gets more interesting.

I love it. Terrorize the terrorists!

The mother of all corruption Britain has become an opponent of Iran. Our opponents are supported and empowered in London”, he said.

hint to the Mullahs: Its not Britain. Its those 2nd class Arabs in Ahwazi you elitist Persians have been crapping on for decades.

hehehe

#121-easy

If you ever do that again!
Sheesh! I'm still trying to digest dinner. Maybe I should go look at these pic's from a knife fight, I've been saving to show IF, just to settle my stomache.

I suppose religion and/or faith is a "waste of time" for those who merely take up space on this planet, consume precious resources with no ultimate goal at the end of the road other than a cold dirt nap.

/personally, I'm not fond of the notion that all I am is dust in the wind...

Salem:

Not going to answer my questions?

Just going to hurl poo and run?

Mama Winger,

More coffee, please.

Cato

I don't respond out of insult, but out of a desire to correct, when someone states something that I know to be incorrect, or that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

For the good of Salem, not for some percieved hit that I took, or to defend my God, as if I could.

--Taq

If one's faith is worth a hoot in hell, why would it be challenged by what Salem or anybody else thinks or says about it?

Are you suggesting that deep down inside they doubt their own faith and logical criticisms of their faith threaten to expose them to theirselves? Preposterous!

Skovsgard, stressing Muslims and Christians live together in peace, said Danes separated after the events and the majority disapproved the cartoons.

Oh really? I live here, and I haven't met that many from that majority yet. I guess that's what they call a very silent majority then.

I would like to see Bishop Skovsgaard put his hand on the Bible and swear that a majority of Danes disapproves of the cartoons.

Thou shallt not lie, Bishop Skovsgaard

Themselves, not theirselves. D'oh!

Reganite and Ann, congratulations and happiness for the rest of your days.

Salem

No offense taken at your statement. But it is a poorly thought out observation.
Most of the poorest children in the roughest neighborhoods IN THIS COUNTRY and around the world are fed by religious organisations. Not by social services, not by governments or even their own family.

Pick a denomination and go ask them if they have a food program. Almost all do.

BTW I haven't been to church since I found out the Packers were on TV while my mother dragged me there.

#143 no2liberals

That, I consider a prescient photo shop.
Check the whole site out when you have a chance. It's a jewel.

#140-reaganite

She drinks decaf!

Doesn't matter!
That large pool of stomache enzymes has the ph equivalent to hydrochloric acid. It's important to have something to eat early, to give it something to do besides pass through the digestive tract undiluted. Believed by many to be a source of intestinal cancer, due to the acidic effect on the membrane.
That's one reason a high fiber diet is such a good idea.
Also, I notice many still posting to *scroll* about his religious veiws. It's just an attention seeker, and everyone is getting sucked in.

134 grandma said

If that works for them, and it doesn’t interfere with me, I’m okay with that.

and Thomas Jefferson in 1781 said

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

Mama Winger, while you're up get me a gin and tonic and fetch my slippers, too.
You must be feeling better!

I'm sure Luther is spinning in his grave...

Or, depending on your theology, he is in heaven blissfully unaware that the denomination that bears his name is bowing down to kiss Moes toes. 'Cuz there are no tears in heaven.

Yeah well Cato, I think that pot's gone to pot.
I did enjoy that last cup though.

A non-religious person - or a person on the wrong side of religion - a/k/a wiccans, satanists

LOL!

#154 no2liberals

It's important to have something to eat early, to give it something to do besides pass through the digestive tract undiluted.

Oh sure, like you ate food before you went to PT in the mornings!

More Christian dhimmis?

/sigh

159 Salem:

Well, that was a deep answer.

Guess you don't have an answer. Just want to hurl.

reaganite- congratulations and best wishes to you and Ann.

I demand that the jihadis apologize! (Duh, they're not going to!)

See how foolish any apologies are in this conflict?

"Visualize No islam"
"Peace through Victory"

Stupid Lutherans.
Martin Luther would not have apologized, after all, IIRC, he wrote "A Mighty Fortreess is Our God".

Good Night All.

#156 Jim

My dog ate the slippers, I drank all the gin, and my kidneys are killing me. But other than that I'm good! :)

Seriously, I gotta get some sleep. I've been up 48 hours and I think my Vicodin soaked brain is fried. These stones are the devil.

Night all. Tomorrow I won't be so grumpy. Well . . . . . . . :)

#163 Jim in Virginia
Thanks bud.

#153-easy

Check the whole site out when you have a chance.

No way!
Also, please post a warning on something like that next time, something like "WARNING: MAY CAUSE PROJECTILE DIARRHEA!"

When are the journalist in this country gonna pull there heads out of their yoohoos, and realise the story unfolding every time someone apologizes to these aholes. Nope, lets keep talking about a hunting accident. That profession is a thing of the past!

In this instance, Salem's right, these Danish ministers are wasting their time by travelling to Egypt to grovel before a bunch of Islamic clerics and apologize for something they didn't do. It's moral weakness masquerading as "dialogue".

I remember during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, William Sloane Coffin, the radical minister, led a delegation of ass kissing clerics to Tehran to kowtow before Iranian officials and beg their forgiveness for American crimes against Iran.

These clergymen are worse than useless, they're dangerous as they encourage the worst elements in Islam.

132 raidergirl

The two things that really got me in re Colonol Boyington and UW were:

when Student Senator Ashley Miller commented "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men (Colonol Boyington was far from being a rich man, and he was of mixed race, being part Sioux)."

and

Student Senator Jill Edwards, who had the unmitigated gall to say she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Dammit. Both statements are wrong; both statements are also stupid.

No2Liberals,

That large pool of stomache [sic] enzymes has the ph equivalent to hydrochloric acid. It's important to have something to eat early, to give it something to do besides pass through the digestive tract undiluted. Believed by many to be a source of intestinal cancer, due to the acidic effect on the membrane.

What nonsense. The digestive juices of the stomach don't "pass" anywhere. Unless you vomit, that is. Only someone who doesn't know physiology could make such a statement.

They certainly don't pass to the intestines, small or large.

At most you get a little stomach upset if you don't eat, but that quickly subsides as the stomach stops producing acids if there's nothing there to digest. That's why you can fast for weeks at a time without damage. I've done it.

Breakfast is highly overrated. I almost never touch the stuff.

reaganite:

See, I'm trying to be patient, but it won't answer. Do we see a pattern here?

Next thing, Swampie's gonna tell me to put down the chainsaw.

Harald Nielsen, chief of Islam Desk in the Denmark mission organization, said they could not understand “how fast they spread”

You'd almost think there was a global electronic connection of some kind.

/smacking self in head

Charles:

Let me know when you hit Salem with the banning stick so I can perform an exorcism on LGF.

Anybody know where I can buy salt in bulk?

This (from the Islam News Online)makes it sound much better - maybe there is hope for the Danish Lutherans after all

"The aim of our journey is to say that Danes don't hate Muslims and that Christians want to live in peace with Muslims in Denmark and in the rest of the world," the bishop of Viborg, Karsten Nissen, told AFP.

He, however, said that the visit was not meant to apologize on behalf of the Danish government or Jyllands-Posten.

"That's not the point of our visit," he said.

If one's faith is worth a hoot in hell, why would it be challenged by what Salem or anybody else thinks or says about it?
Challenge is good. Makes faith more secure. Think of Rush's take on why libs became so lost, so ungrounded to any foundation. Because nobody challenged them for 30 years. Conservatives, on the other hand, had their views constantly criticized by academia and the press, hence they became quite adept at explaining and defending.

Test Everything. Hold to the good. I think Paul wrote that to the Corinthian church, though I could have it wrong. "Religious people are time-wasters" is not quite academic-level argument against any particular faith, but it still begs reasoned response. Which it got. In a polite, conversational, and even inquisitive form. You know, a dialogue that was begun by Salem, and when responded to, somehow became in the eyes of some, I guess somehow "knee-jerk". Telling someone "I think you are wrong" and expecting a continuance of rational discussion is not "knee-jerk". It is itself discussion.

---Taq

#170 Catttt, Excellent points. I am so very tired of these libs bitch and moan about our soldiers. I mean can you take anyone serious who does not respect our fine military, who protect their freedom of speech! Really?!

When battling evil (I'm sure you know that this is), it is appropriate to use all force to vanquish it, don't you think?

Is this what I'm supposed to "answer"? I can only say it shows you possibly have some Bible education, though you're not too keen on the subject of philosopy and ethics.

So "anger" qualifies as "force"? Anger rarely improves situations in and of itself. Anger is loud, and thrashes around blindly, as apt to smite friend as foe in it's purest form.

#160-reaganite

like you ate food before you went to PT in the mornings!

Only when I didn't stash an apple or orange in my boot's the night before. Besides, I was young then and didn't know about this stuff.
I've always been a breakfast person, learned it early. Working on my grandmothers farm in the summer and fall, with all that was going on, planting then harvesting. We were up at 04:00 and would go milk the cows and gather the eggs before breakfast, but were sent out the door with a banana or something. We would come back to fresh bisuits, ham/sausage/bacon from pigs we killed, and processed ourselves, eggs we gathered ourselves, milk and butter we gathered and churned ourselves. The grits and oatmeal we had to buy.

I read 25 Salem's post and don't really get all the anger about it, in fact there is a good point there.

Religious people, by and large, are big on wasting time.

Before you throw stones at Salem, really think about that sentence. There is truth in it. So many of us who attend weekly services, pancake breakfasts, bingo, church bazaars, rummage sales, dinner dances, Vegas nights, Usher club meetings, Church festivals, Mass, Baptisms, etc.. could be spending that time actually doing God's work instead of socializing with our fellow parish members, with whom we're all friendly and familiar.

Just a thought folks. And if you want to turn the anger toward me for saying that, be assured that I could care less.

#179-addendum

We always said grace and were very thankful for what we had.

#172 Princess Bernie

See, I'm trying to be patient, but it won't answer. Do we see a pattern here?

Sure do.

I just don't know where to start on this one...
MacKay optimistic about release of Iraq hostages

"The most up-to-date information that we have leads us to believe that there will be -- and we remain very optimistic -- a safe release of these individuals," he said in an interview.

Let's just assume the Canadians have paid the ransom.

He said Canadians who produced the images (Mo'toons) endangered their fellow citizens -- especially those abroad and the troops in Afghanistan.

"I think it's dangerous to Canadian citizens ... who are travelling abroad, where we have seen the reaction that is more extreme and certainly more violent," he said.

"It's also been noted that it may cause a danger to Canadian troops because of the elevated tensions that result from the publication."

But wait there's more...

MacKay said those who published the images must have known they were risking people's safety. For safety's sake, he said media must accept certain limits on expression.

Oh, Canada. So much left to learn.

reaganite

Say hey,

CONGRATULATIONS! May you and Ann live long and prosper.

Just got here, and to back scroll quite a bit to make sure that I had it right.

Actually, I felt like just lurking a bit, but when I caught a hint of this, and then confirmed it, I just had to send you both my best wishes.

Poor girl.(lol)

#179 no2liberals
Brother, I could never eat before PT. It was usually around 9 before I would get breakfast!

#176 Taq:

Big hugs to you. You get it.

When someone challenges us here, even with a stupid argument, we need a reasoned response to delve further. But sometimes, when something is said that is so OBVIOUS to the rest of us, it's easy to throw the bluster out there as a first reaction.

I used to work for an anal-retentive bastard that asked the stupidest questions. At first, I was almost speechless in my attempt to answer him. Because the first thought in my mind was, "You idiot!"

But dealing repeatedly with someone like that gives you the opportunity to really think about things in the simplest of terms. The practice is good.

Now, please, nobody ask "why is there air?"

Taq,

I agree with you. And I would add, if someone takes a swipe at faith and can't or won't continue the argument or defend his statement, all the more reason not to get ruffled by it.

Instead we have some here getting thoroughly hot and bothered, and even invoking the "banning stick." I could hope that is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but something tells me it's not.

170 cattt- I'm not surprised re the UW ruckus on Boyington. It's Seattle, and the kids are what, 21?
Appalled, yes. Surprised, no.

Very few people in most European countries, including Denmark, actually go to church or embrace Christianity as anything beyond a thin cultural marker. Europe is essentially post-Christian and secular. Thus, pompous pronouncements and grandiose gestures by European Christian leaders is pure bombastic piffle, nothing more. These shepherds have no flocks. They speak for themselves.

I think it's non-Biblically-religious folks who have a chip on their shoulder, in my experience.

If what Salem first offered in this thread was not a chip begging to be knocked off, nothing is. And then to claim that the person who responded has a chip. Go figure.

Pass the dip.

---Taq

174 Princess Bernie

No, but Florida Water is on sale right now. :)

Salem: Read up further

Mich-agin:

Just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

All of the things you mentioned have a higher purpose. Raising money to do good works. PRAYING, spiritual formation, all are works with a purpose.

Your response revealed that you know not much about organized religion and religious works.

I'm stunned.

But then again by your own admission, you don't care what the response is. If that were true, why did you even post it?

Hey Mackay, harrowing challenges = muslim murderers!
Bin Laden says wont be caught alive. As Greta says, dead works for me!

#185-reaganite

Brother, I could never eat before PT. It was usually around 9 before I would get breakfast!

Dang!
I guess it's all in what you are accustomed to. There is some compelling arguments for breakfast.
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#184 M. Bensson-Levi
Thank you!

#186 Princess Bernie

Now, please, nobody ask "why is there air?"

Why, to blow up basketballs, of course. :)
(something about Bill Cosby.)

salem:

I can only say it shows you possibly have some Bible education, though you're not too keen on the subject of philosopy and ethics.

You don't know anything about me.

Do you know anything about the just war doctrine? Do you need to go google it?

And I didn't equate anger with force.

Cato:

Are you talking about me like I'm not even here?

Gee, thanks.

Thought you were a friend.

#194 no2liberals

There is some compelling arguments for breakfast.

Too close to lunch for me these days.

Good night all. Ann and I have derailed too many threads tonight.

#179 no2liberals, Dang, the breakfast you describe makes me homesick for an Aunt who made the same kind of breakfast, Yum!

#197 solomon:

You get it!

Now why aren't there any restaurants on the moon?
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Because there's no atmosphere.

Anybody know where I can buy salt in bulk?

Is Kosher salt good for exorcisms?

#188 Jim in Virginia

I'm not surprised re the UW ruckus on Boyington. It's Seattle, and the kids are what, 21?

My Dad was just a little over eighteen when he volunteered to defend his country against the original Axis of Evil. IMHO, you're not a kid anymore, when you're 21. And if you're that age, and ungrateful, naive and stupid as all get-out, then what the hell are ya doin' at an "institution of higher learning"? I know the realistic answer to that one, but just had to pose the question to myself.

#134 grandma
You are so right. That is virtually identical to my own views.

#202 Salem:

That was funny even if your only purpose in life is to stir up doo doo.

Princess Bernie, I didn't want to start a direct argument with you. But no, I don't support "banning" Salem over what seems to me to be an off-the-cuff comment about religion. I think the whole kerfuffle is mighty silly, and shows that some of us can dish it out (e.g. to the mouselooms) but can't take it.

Why I am not proud to be a Lutheran today.

What a bunch of sniveling cowardly weasels. It will get them nothing but the contempt they so richly deserve.

Cartman- when I was in college we talked about "the real world". College, for most of us, was not it. But you're right.
Princess Bernie 201- nice! Don't let them get to you.

#200-raidrgirl

Those good ol'country breakfasts were wonderful, and considering all the physical activity involved in working on a farm, they were necessary.
Thanksgiving was the best. We would have a huge breakfast with all that stuff I mentioned, in addition to fried quail, three types of gravy, and an assortment of homemade jams and jellies, and of course pure cane syrup. Yummm!
Then we would have an even bigger spread for Thanksgiving dinner.

192 Princess Bernie

All of the things you mentioned have a higher purpose. Raising money to do good works. PRAYING, spiritual formation, all are works with a purpose.

I never said I would not respond.

You are dead wrong about my committment to the Church, and its future. I am a religious formation teacher (My 6th year) who teaches 8th grade students every week. Today I spent a good amount of time talking about the massacre of Christians over the weekend in Nigeria. I wanted them to know how easy they have it in the USA compared to what Christians in other parts of the world are subjected to.

And also being familiar with Church budgets, let me inform you that many of those fund raisers are needed to pay utilities, fix the air conditioner, rebrick the church and buy new tables for the hall. (that sort of thing) Yes occasionally there are fund-raisers for far-off missions and sister churches in the inner city, but by and large, the Church has a hard enough time supporting itself.

You don't know anything about me.

Princess Bernie

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#186 Princess Bernie
#187 Cato

Thank you. Yes, the banning-stick idea is opposite my intentions! Converse, I say!

#189 Dead Sea Squirrel (cool name, I've always thought)
Have you read any Francis Schaeffer on that matter? America is about 20 years behind Europe in that particular "progress", sad to see. Maybe even less. Yes, Europe is and has been post-Christian for some decades now. And we began our descent as a culture in the 60's. Postmodernism destroyed Europe spiritually, as is is doing here. "Its all good." has become the popular phrase that so perfectly and succinctly describes our new-world-man logicless philosophy. Sad to see. It's like being able to go back in time and witness the fall of Rome. When anything goes....everything goes. Who said that?

Got to sleep, I have a cold.

---Taq

on topic- I expect the Presbyterians to be the first American church to send a delegation to Egypt to apologize. We're always out front on big peace and justice issues.

#206 Cato:

Perhaps you can go and re-read my posts. Being a long timer here, you should be able to recognize debate when you see it and differentiate it from the description you gave it which makes me sound like a histerical shrew.

I really don't appreciate it. And if you are unsure about the intention of my posts and debate, ask me directly, please. I would do the same for you.

Re: banning - I was referring to the pattern of this person's posts over time, and the fact that Salem even admits that he/she has been chastized by Charles. You and I both know that's the first step in the banning process. Did I ask for Salem to be banned? No. Just predicting the inevitable.

It's been so long since folks on this site actually engaged in debate, most don't even know how to do it anymore.

As Taq said, it's good to have some come here and challenge our views. Keeps us on our toes.

#211 Salem:

That just goes to show you really don't know anything about me.

Are you dismissing me simply because of the date of registration of my nic?

That seems awfully close-minded.

#214-Princess Bernie

It appears to me that you have the toes of a ballerina. No, not the appearance, just the strength.
:)

#209 no2liberals, Oh yes, I helped bail hay, irrigate, etc, and the dreaded egg collecting. All are fond memories. I feel sorry for the kids of today, they just dont get this look at life. We had no tv, only Paul Harvey and books and each other and the farm life to keep us company. I am grateful for that!

214 Princess Bernie

Settle down Beavis. I like your spunk, but geez, you are spazzing out.

I spend a fair amount of time in a "progressive church" (my group rents the church). They don't even have to say it, but they actually do. They wonder why they are going broke. They sponsored an open house for one of the countless "peace" marches. It's sad that the churches that we can have meetings in are leftwing and hate Israel. It seems there is a correlation between those that allow gays to meet & those that love terrorists.

#22 Darwin Ahkbar:

There's a line in the Bible to the effect that in the end days people will say white is black and black is white; day is night and night is day. This is what it meant, I guess. I'm not suggesting this is the 'end days' though that would make another topic and another time, but...it mentions this phenomenon of the bizarre, saying one thing, doing another. If that wasn't in the Bible, and I'd read it at one time, I'd swear I was losing my mind.

210 Mich:

As a formation teacher, don't you believe what you are doing is God's work? You are sowing the seeds for future works. It's all part of the same package.

Paying for heat and bricks and mortar give the community somewhere to worship and pray. It's all God's work.

You can't separate it. None of it is less important than the other parts.

217 raidergirl, no2liberals. I spent three summers as a teenager on an uncle's dairy and pig farm. I shoveled more cow manure than I care to think about. But I got a great farmers tan and the food could not be beat.

"Mainline" Christianity (churches common among white Northerners - Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans etc) has been hijacked by lefties.

218 Mich:

Some one's gotta do it. Nobody else seems to be fact checking and making people defend their arguments around here anymore.

Geez.

And I'm not spazzing.

I'm just reasoning passionately.

So there.

I've seen some spazzing on this site *cough* AI/FD and this isn't spazzing.

Princess Bernie, as far as I recall, Salem never "admitted" he was "chastised" by Charles. Charles indicated his frustration with some of the more childish feuds on LGF in a post last night, but it had nothing to do with Salem.

You're reading things into things.

I still think Salem's comment was innocent and support his right to make it even if it wasn't. The über-piety and hypersensitivity of some here (and I'm not singling you out) in matters of their own religious sensibilities is in direct contrast to the eagerness some of the same people to show how brave and bold they are in anonymously dissing Muslims. I doubt most of them would have the courage to wear a MoBombHead T-shirt in public.

I'm an equal-opportunity disser, and anyone is welcome to draw cartoons of me, anytime.

As for the "inevitability" of Salem's eviction from this forum, I'll take that bet. It takes a great deal to get banned here, in my experience.

So, ten bucks says Salem's still here next year?!

#217-raidergirl

All are fond memories. I feel sorry for the kids of today, they just dont get this look at life.

I know what you mean. Being in the country, and on a farm was hard work, but you had a real connection to the land, your contribution to the family, and the wonders of nature. Being up early, and watching the light change with the dawn, and everything come alive...I never had any reason to doubt the existence of God, unlike some. I still feel that sense of wonder when I go to the lake house, or go hunting.
As for the farm; to plant the corn, cotton, or the vegetable garden, and then watch it begin the growth process, and then it's maturation...if it is all a series of random events, I would be more than a little amazed.

220 foreign devil

There's a line in the Bible to the effect that in...

Although I occasionally like to point out a particular verse of the Bible, I would say be careful doing that because the Bible contradicts itself sometimes, so the same book can be used to make completely opposite points.

If anyone doesn't believe that, then read Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and then compare it to Luke 15:11-24. Complete polar opposites.

#222 Jim in Virginia
Im gonna take my husbands daughter(my daughter in love!) to my Aunt's farm this summer, she loves all my stories about my summers there. Glad ya saw the humor and love, bet ya looked forward to it every year?

Baldy,

It seems there is a correlation between those [churches] that allow gays to meet & those that love terrorists.

I'm sorry, but that's the most idiotic statement I've seen here in a long, long time.

Are you dismissing me simply because of the date of registration of my nic?

Aw yeah, tell me about it. But I don't make the rules, just observe them. I had to ride the same horse more than once here. Some will accept you right away, because of certain buzzwords you use. But being accepted by a few strangers on an internet forum has never struck me as. like, a big life bonus to get excited about. Until it puts money in my pocket, at least.

This is late, but Cato is right about the nutrition deal. Will not discuss further tho. Would take too long.

Since I'm the "Karl" mentioned in the hat tip, I just thought I'd say to all those ashamed of the Lutheran Church in general...

Not all Lutherans are dhimmis. I'm a Lutheran pastor in a very conservative synod. All educated Lutherans understand that Christians live in two "realms"-- the Church and the state. The state grants freedom of speech. That includes even offensive speech. That's why I was horrified by my fellow Lutherans groveling (sp?) before Islam and begging their mercy.

And to answer a previous poster: No, Luther did not apologize for posting his theses, but those who bear his name have apologized for his relgious (not racial) anti-semitism.

PKH

225 Cato:

I'm not willing to take that bet.

Cuz past experience indicates future performance round here.

Night all.

Salem, when you get a chance to decide what it is we need to be doing with our time per my earlier questions to you, please post. I'll read them tomorrow.

Hugs to all.

228 raidergirl- for sure. 226 said it all.
Night all. Play nice, OK?

221 Princess Bernie

As a formation teacher, don't you believe what you are doing is God's work?

I volunteer for the "difficult" 8th graders because its their last year of formation and I want to inspire a "mustard seed" of faith to keep going to Church even after their parents quit making them go in a few years. If I didn't think it was G*d's work, I wouldn't do it. You do know they don't pay us, right?

Salem:

BTW, I'm not asking for your acceptance nor anyone else's here. I've been round here a long time.

My issue is that you haven't answered my questions posted earlier in this thread re: how we are supposed to spend our time since you thing we are wasting it?

Would be a shame if you didn't answer just cuz you have the impression that my questions aren't worth answering based on the date registration of my nic.

#222-Jim in Virginia

I spent three summers as a teenager on an uncle's dairy and pig farm

Memories and lessons learned that you probably hold very dear.
My grandmothers farm was fairly large, and she had a huge smokehouse. If you are familiar with the old expression 'hog killing' weather, it was the first cold spell, usually in late November in Northwest Louisiana, where the temp would remain below 40 all day. We would have a huge hog killing party, and people from all around would bring their fattened pigs. Sometimes as many as 200 hundred men/women/children, of all races, and backgrounds would show up. It was a tremendous time as a kid, to see the warmth and friendship from so many differnt types of people. Everyone helped for the common goal, of processing the pigs into the finished products, that we would enjoy for many, many months.

#202 Salem

Is Kosher salt good for exorcisms?

Not sure about that, but it's excellent for removing leeches.

#230 Salem

But being accepted by a few strangers on an internet forum has never struck me as. like, a big life bonus to get excited about.

Yeah, it's nothing compared to the buzz one gets from making a throwaway rip on religion and jello-wrestling with the resulting negative feedback, right?

no2liberals & Jim in Virginia, loved talking to ya. God bless. I am gonna go root for the USA in the Olympics. Nite ALL.

So, ten bucks says Salem's still here next year?!

I've changed my name before, so I'd hold onto that money. I briefly felt the sting of the ban-stick, too, when I went by "Murder". That was back during the Schiavo debacle.

Yeah, it's nothing compared to the buzz one gets from making a throwaway rip on religion and jello-wrestling with the resulting negative feedback, right?

Is that so wrong?...

My issue is that you haven't answered my questions posted earlier in this thread

I want to answer, it's just that I'm so damnably busy right now. The drudgery never ends.

220 foreign devil

There is only one verse in the Bible with that kind of language, Isaiah 5:20, but it has nothing to do with "the last times." It is addressed to the wicked leadership in Isaiah's own day.

One thing I can testify to is when you are sitting beside your loved one and they tell you in about 48 hours you will be a widower, it might to wonders to your prayer life.

Now if in that situation you are going to avoid any manner of prayer, I will respect your wishes, but until you are in that situation please don't try and tell me about wasting my time.

The logical fallacy:

That people praying in times of stress proves the efficacy of prayer or the existence of an addressee.

Gotta go and seeya beeya.

Oh and "Love all, serve all".

CtE

Well, you are living proof of one verse:

"The fool says in his heart there is no God."

That people praying in times of stress proves the efficacy of prayer or the existence of an addressee.

No Atheists in the trenches!

Cato, you did not understand my point anyway, your hatred of God has blinded you.

I guess when you are facing death yourself or with a loved one, you will plead to no one as no one is there?

I will leave you and your bud Salem to mock away.

My uncles used to tell me of the courageous Danes they knew in WWII, back before the Danes became a nation of spineless appeasing cowards.

Anyone who doesn't believe in God has never been in battle.

JLF,

Does your nic actually mean anything, or did you just pick one that was impossible to memorize? I'm curious.

My "hatred of God"? No, no, you don't know a God-damned thing about me, you presumptuous putz.

It's a simple proposition of logic: Praying to "Allah" does not mean there is an "Allah," even if 1.3 billion mouselooms do it five times a day for 1,400 years.

The same applies to any other conception of God. Faith is not based on what we do in extremis. That a person with his back to the wall and no one there to help him will plead to whatever deity is handy does nothing prove the existence of said deity.

What would tend to prove it is if those who didn't pray, or prayed to the wrong god, got their heads blown off in battle while those who prayed, or prayed "right," were spared.

Unfortunately it is every soldier's experience that bullets are not swayed by God, but by ballistics. You can be the most sincere believer and get your ticket punched in the midst of prayer.

What I do hate, and always will, is juvenile theology, whether Muslim, Christian or any other flavor.

Ipse dixi.

#12

Sadly that is a reasonable senario with the RoP.

Our findings indicate that the taurin-conjugated form of the primary bile acid chenodeoxycholic acid and the secondary unconjugated bile acid DCA induce the cytosolic form of TR in gastric cancer cells as well as in colon cancer cells. Thus, it can be concluded that the expression level of TR depends on the hydrophobicity, concentration and conjugation status of the bile acid, and of course on the incubation time. Of interest, there was no difference in TR upregulation after 6 h treatment with DCA in gastric or colon cancer cells.

Lot's of different research out there, but from my perspective...eat your breakfast folks.

Night.

#25 Salem . . .

In the Big Brawl, these faux-Christian eunuch Yurpee-ons will be completely useless to our side, and are incapable of perceiving how absurd they look to sensible people.

What you said. They don't even understand the concept of "right" and "wrong." They should go back to first-grade Sunday school.

#241 Salem

Is that so wrong?...

It occured to me to say that it's not really wrong, just a big waste of time. But that would make it appear as though I were trying too hard to be glib, and it's too late in the day for paradox.

So let's just say that while online jello wrestling isn't wrong (assuming proper attire is worn, etc.), it is unavoidably messy, and not the good kind of messy either.

#255 no2liberals

LGF: Come for the jello wrestling, stay for colon-saving research! Thanks for the info, n2l.

Cato

What I do hate, and always will, is juvenile theology, whether Muslim, Christian or any other flavor.

I assume by juvenile, you mean amatuer. Most of us Christians are not academic-level theologeons, nor are most people who adhere to any religion. Unless you are discussing with academics or clergy, thats whatchyer gonna get. Not trying to be insulting, just curious...are you a theologeon (sp)? Because then your hatred for layman, just folks theology might make more sense to me...I know I sometimes hate talking about music with people who don't really know much about it technically.

---Taq

Wooohoooo! Infighting! Grab a custard pie everyone!

Whatever.

Taq,

No, in fact, I'm not a theologian, although I have occupied myself intensively with theology since I was a youth. As an amateur, you might say.

I have nothing against laymen or amateurs. In fact, they are the reason we have churches. The priests and pastors are not the ones for whom the church was built. Nor is the synagogue there for the sake of rabbis.

What I mean by "juvenile" is the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny level of belief that takes an apothegm like "there are no atheists in foxholes" as a truism, or worse, as "proof" of anything.

How would one know that there are no atheists in foxholes? That does not seem self-evident to me. And even if the instinctive reaction of an atheist to battle were to pray, how would that lend itself to demonstrating the "truth" of any particular faith?

If such things are the proofs of faith, then faith supports itself by a thin reed indeed.

#224 Reb Tex:

Thanks so much for your input. I'll take the opportunity to thank you on AI's behalf too since she's not here to defend herself.

Well...that's it for me folks! G'Night. Go straight home.

Cato the Elder
People believe in God because they want to believe there is an afterlife, myself included. I want to believe that there is everlasting life, rather than simply going into the void. I don't want to die, ever! I like living. God is required by man because we are aware we are going to die. When we are close to death, we become more aware of the possibility of death. To me, heaven is right here on earth, I wouldn't change a thing. The images of heaven were depicted by early religions as places of ease. We live at ease now compared to those who came before us, so the image of heaven as a place of comfort and ease is less attractive to the average person, so religion is less enticing. That is why I think it is on the down slope in western countries, due to lack of hardship. There is no lack of hardship in third world countries, so there is more people who are more devoutly religious, IMHO.

I watched Dogma and laughed harder than I did when I watched Life of Brian!

Oh GOD! Dogma sucked! Kevin Smith is not cool.

Baldy 219 and Cattto 229

I hate to have to tell you this, Cato, but Baldy is right here. Our company serves only church clientelle, no less than 15 at any time. We manage the cleaning and maintenance of the buildings. The story that is being covered in the MSM (however stupidly) is that evangelical churches are on the rise. The story that (I think) is being purposely ignored by the same is that progressive churches -those likely to share time with an upstart, some have two or three congregations meeting in the same building- are sinking fast. And no, they have no idea why.

And Salem, interesting as it is to watch the poop attract nature's ugliest feelings -or feelers- you may want to lay it less prolifically. Do you know the history of the phrase "globular clusters"?

pimf, "clientele"

Hey, is this thread happening enough for ya, mung?

Munga, I have no doubt that's true. The mainline and progressive churches have been bleeding worshippers for years.

What I was objecting to was the stupid equation of "allowing gays to meet" (whatever that means) and "loving terrorists." That's just horrid rhetoric.

Nacht

Munga, or was Baldy saying that his group is gay?

I'm so confused...

Time for bed.

BOGU, Danish Lutherans. Bend Over, Grease Up. And close your eyes and think of Mecca, darlings.

Send the Jyllands-Posten editors to Austria so they can get the "Irving" treatment. That should do it for the "moderate muslims". As for the others...........

#171

Cato,

If those stomach juices don't pass anywhere, pray tell, where do they go? Does the stomach just reabsorb them or do they vaporize? And would it be wise for a stomach cell to absorb HCL?

And why oh why does the pancreas secrete bicarbonate into the duodenum if there are no gastric juices there? ;)

That would cause loads of problems.

Update: I have yet to see this item in the Danish media. Could this be islamic disinformation?

#235 mich-again:

Yes, I know you aren't paid. I used to be a religious ed teacher myself. Third graders.

I interpreted your prior comments re: wasting time, and it concerned me that you were discounting the importance of the intangibles. Praying, educating, comforting, and yes, administration, are all God's work. Anything you do for Him and dedicate to Him is His work.

Someone who builds houses for the homeless or provides meals to the hungry can easily point to their tangible works. But someone like you who gives of your time and talent to the formation of faith of the next generation, is equally as important. The usher at church is giving of his/her time as a gift to God.

To say that attending Mass and Baptisms is a waste of time, concerns me - especially coming from a religious education teacher. I hope you don't really feel that way.

#253 Cato:

What would tend to prove it is if those who didn't pray, or prayed to the wrong god, got their heads blown off in battle while those who prayed, or prayed "right," were spared.

People with faith in God need no proof. For those that require proof, no proof is ever sufficient.

In a life or death situation, not all pray to survive. Some (myself included - yes I have been in such a situation) surrender to God's will. Because when it all boils down, if you believe in God, you accept that he has a plan for you.

We all see the existence of God in our own way. We all have our own experiences.

My experience has been that a lot of people who do not believe in God are unhappy.

I choose to be happy.

When the original Martin Luther tacked his 99 (blasphemous! outrageous!) theses on the wall and was challenged to retract them, he said "Here I stand; I can do no other."

These wimpy Lutherans aren't worthy of their heritage as protestants.

They are just following in the footsteps of the Islam fellating pillocks in the Church of England.

Martin Luther's (outrageous! blasphemous!) 99 theses against the Catholic Church of his day also resulted in Gutenbergs' printing presses churning out outrageous cartoons about the Pope, as Zombie and Charles and the internet are doing right now.

The fact these Danish Lutherans don't know their own religion's founding on similarly "Protestant" cartoons and theses means they're idiots in more ways than one.

267 Cato:
Well, yeah, that was badly articulated but you must realize that it is true. Those that 1) need money (allow another church to worship during peek worship hours 2) support the PLO ("love terrorists") and 3) allow gays to meet (fly the rainbow flag instead of the American next to the pulpit ARE exactly all the same churches. Not well said, but unfortuntately a perfect correlation.

Salem 266
.....um... yeah!

253 Cato and 275 Princess:
Well, I think the answer is this: We ask God to save and comfort our souls, not our bodies. These ol' things are scheduled for destruction anyway.

274 Princess Bernie

Church activities aren't a waste of time, but we shouldn't get so wrapped up in our own particular Church community ceremonies that we turn inward and neglect serving others outside the Church who need help.

Its all about service, however you choose to contribute.

I just read all the vitriole aimed toward Salem's original post and thought well, maybe there is a point there. We can't do much of G*d's work while sitting in pews.

Church services should be like a motivational rally to promote service. They aren't an end in themselves.