Sign me up too.

I wonder how long until the MSM condemns this letter as hurtful and Islamophobic, etc...

Add Bubbaman to the list.

How about a letter writing campaign, for each of us to ask our congressional representatives (in the USA) to sign on too?

The Princess agrees, too. Hear, hear!

You can sign up this "islamophobe". I wish my local newpaper editors would say the same.

Dittos to that.

This will be printed in all the major American newspapers, right?

I would hazard a guess every poster on this thread can be considered added!

OH! OH! MR KOTTER! ME TOO !

Even as individuals commit suicide by drowning or shooting or some other such means, so the West is in the process of committing suicide by the Left.

Add my name to that list, too.

Freedom! Liberty!

(For those who want it, both for themselves and for others. To hell with the rest.)

Add another thousand famous names and it's a great thing. As it is, it appears to be a dozen well-known fighters of the good fight against the world, like a Fellowship of the Ring, but with less super powers.

I volunteer to go to the New York Times building and throw the ring. Pinchy's all-seeing eye could be a problem.

Re: #10 Beagle.

What an apt analogy! Is there anything more like an Orc than a mindless suicide bomber? Both are nothing but raw, limitless, evil.

This strikes me as a wonderful opportunity to find out if the New York Times believes any of its own rhetoric.

A couple days ago, they called on moderate Muslims to stand up to the extremists. Several have thrown down the gauntlet here and done it.

The Times could show solidarity and sign on this (and run it) without even having to do the dirty work of publishing a stupid cartoon. The Gray Lady can give these folks a platform.

I'm not holding my breath. But it'd be nice.

sidebar says:

Civil War Looms With 68 Killed in Baghdad

You can almost hear the first spurt of jizz hit the inside of this AP reporter's pants in anticipation!

/yeah, I don't know why I had to click to verify it was an AP wire story.

But throwing at the Times won't do any good. We don't want it to disappear. Are there any worthwhile papers out there anymore? Besides Jyllands-Posten? Are there any well-known political figures who could get behind this?

Where do I sign?

Charles. This is good. Any reason we can't do one. There are some great writers who contribute here. Cato can edit. We all can sign on a special page (so we can't find out who Amalie really is). Maybe it could even be published in the mSM with a bit of contributions from us.

"We reject « cultural relativism », which consists in accepting that men and women of Muslim culture should be deprived of the right to equality, freedom and secular values in the name of respect for cultures and traditions."

That's the issue in a nutshell, and one of the best stated sentences I've seen on the issue.

Brave souls who signed this.

Meanwhile back in Berkley moonbats can't tell the difference between Islammists launching global jihad and Christians who want to allow voluntary prayer groups to meet privately in public schools.

I'm definitely going to link this on my blog, as well. Quite an important statement, methinks.

I just sent this to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin, and the Daily Local News of West Chester PA...it is worth a shot.

By the way, the inky ran a few of the cartoons a couple of weeks ago, on a Saturday.

Kind of O/T:

Anyone see any drawbacks here?

Updated: 8:19 p.m. ET Feb. 28, 2006
WASHINGTON - A civil war in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region’s rival Islamic sects against each another, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said in an unusually frank assessment Tuesday

#12 Skippy

If it is not a manifesto against Bush's imperialism, I doubt the NYT will touch it.

I'm in!

Islamism is a reactionary ideology which kills...

...anything and everything in its wake.

sign me up!

#21 Joseph

Yes. One of them might win.

#7 Crimsonfisted

LMAO! Visual and all!

/add m of course!

We reject « cultural relativism », which consists in accepting that men and women of Muslim culture should be deprived of the right to equality, freedom and secular values in the name of respect for cultures and traditions.

Notice how this puts the signers emphatically on the same page as George W. Bush with regard to his ambitious programs in Afghanistan and Iraq, and just as emphatically opposed to those critics of Bush who claim that the Arab world can't handle democracy and doesn't really want it.

Very interesting. Captain Ed, at "Captain's Quarters," in his recent argument against Wm Buckley's surprise conversion to cut-and-run, claims that Bush is the true liberal in the classic sense of the word. This statement too, is an expression of classic liberalism. Heady stuff.

Count my name as added to this letter. Spread this message far and wide.

Charles and any SoCal lizardoids can see Salman Rushdie at Claremnont Mckenna College on Thursday.

The event, "Step Across the Line: An Evening With Salman Rushdie" takes place at 6:45 p.m. in the Marian Miner Cook Athenaeum, 385 E. Eighth St. Overflow seating will be available in McKenna Auditorium.

#16 Pat: I'm honored by the idea that you would put me forward for such a task. And hereby offer my services!

#30 Americain 2/28/2006 07:16PM PST
My alma mater.

#8 Luigi

Whoa! Vasko gets it, big time.

Here in Boulder, the ultra Left would consider it great progress to have a group hug with all the Islamofacists of the world. Never mind that they would most likely slit the infidels throats in the process...progress is progress.

"Our century should be one of enlightenment, not obscurantism". After 1427 years, it is about time. Will these be the ones to lead the followers of Islam into the light of the 21st Century? Soon we shall know, for time isn't waiting and events are happening with ever greater frequency and consequence. The alternative is the world envisioned by the 12th Madhi. Little does he realize that it is a world that is one of death of significant portions of the Ummah.

#30 Americain

The College Republicans of University of CA Irvine are 18 minutes in to their discussion of offensive cartoons including the Toons of Blood.

An interesting place for Rushdie to show up.

Sign me up.

#33 yes, but the boulderites would be wearing birkenstocks ...doesn't that count? (nice tea house!)

#32 pat

It's a fine college, not to far from my abode.

#35 RTLM

That would be interesting indeed.

Cato, we'll see. A deliberate, responsible position statement from a few concerned citizens would also address the disparagement we receive from the detractors who think they know us, but which remain woefully naive, if not ignorant.

And mine too.

Dead Sea Squirrel:

It truly is a return to classical liberalism, which certainly drives the leftists nuts. Classical liberalism refuses to accept the status quo and seeks the betterment of mankind.

The current liberals do not want to change the world for the better - they've supported the status quo by backing dictators against regime change, and undermine the US efforts to bring about democratic governance to a region sorely in need of a new political system.

In ain't worth much but I will sign it also...
-- DRG --...
;>P

I applaud this, but I don't quite understand why all-encompassing secularism has become the last and desperate hope for humanity. Seems to me to be a way of begging for a free pass from the inevitable conflict to come. It also smacks of lack of moral conviction. If it works, more power to the ideal. I personally have my doubts.

A civil war in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region’s rival Islamic sects against each another, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said in an unusually frank assessment Tuesday

The more of these dopes that splatter themselves against their golden domes et al is less that we have to kill in 10 years time. Pull the troops back to a massive base in Iraq and let the fur fly.

Before we leave maybe one of our guards can get "friendly" with Saddam, Goering-style, and leave some cyanide in his morning tea.

#21 Joseph
Well then, I'm puttin' in my application to take his place! My feeble mind figgered that one out a while back yonder. ;)

Now if we could just get George Bush, Condoleeza Rice, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, George Pataki, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry, Al Gore, Evan Bayh, Barack Obama, and Howard Dean to sign that too, we might be getting somewhere.

j-damn

Your Nazi reference is not cool.

That's a powerful and important piece.

But it almost sounds like it's anti-religion (e.g., "secular values for all"). Religion isn't the problem here. Hitler wasn't religious, nor was Stalin, but that didn't keep them from the worst forms of grotesque acts of mass murder.

On the contrary, without God-based morality (i.e., "there is one God, and his greatest demand is that we be good to each other") ultimately, there is nothing outside of our feelings to determine right or wrong. And "feelings" can rationalize just about anything, if they want to.

The goal needs to be a secular State, designed to protect human rights and freedom, but with a religious populace. That's the American experiment, and for the most part, it's worked better than any other nation in history.

#45 j-damn

maybe one of our guards can get "friendly" with Saddam, Goering-style, and leave some cyanide in his morning tea.

You types hate to hear good news.

None of you shriekers show up on these good news threads.

Well, you do so you can spread your venom.

Okay, here's the plan:

Back off and let those men who want to marry men... marry men.

Allow those women who want to marry women... marry women.

Allow those folks who want to abort their babies... abort their babies.

In three generations, there will be no Democrats!

Damn, I love it when a plan comes together!

#41 lawhawk

The current liberals do not want to change the world for the better - they've supported the status quo by backing dictators against regime change, and undermine the US efforts to bring about democratic governance to a region sorely in need of a new political system.

All of this, while calling themselves progressives.

Wth?

Wonderful editorial,
almost have a desire to attend New York School for Journalist.

OT-
Al Qaeda’s Gaza Cell issues ultimatum for immediate departure of all non-Muslim foreigners. Calling for Sharia law.

[Link: debka.com...]

Where's my hat tip?

It's brave, since the signers are actually risking their lives. But it's an appeal, not a call to action.

41 lawhawk

Indeed, indeed. What times we are seeing! Bush the true liberal. People like Hans Blix the reactionary conservative. Time to throw away those old labels and gear up for one of history's major showdowns. We're finding friends and enemies of freedom in strange and unexpected places, are we not?

Heads up in Ohio!

[Link: www.ohio.com...]

[Link: www.ohio.com...]

And I thought the democraps in Washington State were bad! Sheesh!

#10 Beagle:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Maureen Dowd always reminded me of Gollum. Watch out!

Add my name too. Islamism delenda est! Death before dhimmitude.

I linked from http://www.smalltownveteran.net/posts/2006/02/salm an_rushdie_.html

#50 Ann

Hey Ann! Mind if I email you? I want to make sure you have my email if we ever get together a Carolina get together :D

#44 Cartman

Seems to me to be a way of begging for a free pass from the inevitable conflict to come.

Can you elaborate on that one? I don't get it.
As to the moral conviction; I find many secular hunmanists to be quite moral and convicted. Thoreau (although technicaly an existentialist) would fit the bill.

#51 father_of_10

LOL
Man are you right! That was great.

Hello,BTW.

#16 Pat,

Great idea!
I don't comment often but this is a time that warrants one.
Sign me up...AND I'll contribute!
I think we need to use the power of the internet to really make a difference here.
WE ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR!
Our message needs to get out...not only to those who will actively look for it.
Get that page going...so we all can email to everyone we know (who will listen)..let them sign it and contribute...then buy a page in a major newspaper for the letter.
It's time for some action.
We can make a difference...AND WE MUST!
Many people are just ignorant as we all know...but they are also searching for some guidance.
Those of us that are strong must now take a REAL stand...let's get the ball rolling.
WE CAN DO THIS!

Brilliant.

Courageous.

I'm in, proudly.

#57 Jeannette

That rag (The Beacon Journal) is one of the most unabashedly liberal tabloids in the Heartland. Talk about the suppression of free speech! Those idiotarians rarely allow an opposing (conservative) voice to filter through. NYT wannabes!

I applaud this, but I don't quite understand why all-encompassing secularism has become the last and desperate hope for humanity. Seems to me to be a way of begging for a free pass from the inevitable conflict to come. It also smacks of lack of moral conviction. If it works, more power to the ideal. I personally have my doubts.

Even as an atheist, I'm inclined to agree. Though there will be pressure on Christians in America to accept secularism eventually, anyhow. But it seems like in a fast-moving situation like this, their coffee-talk approach will be slow going. While these guys are writing clever and compelling treatises on civil ligerty, the other side will do their talking with bombs and bullets. They are interested in defacing, not interfacing.

So it will be curious to see how it all develops. What can be hashed out over here, and over there, as well as factors like Iran and a possibly cataclysmic clash between the rival factions of islam in Iraq. Great minds as these people clearly are, they don't likely have the influence (and likely won't be granted any by the media) to bridge any gaps with the muslim (neanderthrall) world at large. Until Salman Rushdie & Co. can be more convincing than the very real gun to the heads of it's adherents.

I'll sign.

#57 Jeannette

From your link

State Sen. Robert Hagan sent out e-mails to fellow lawmakers late Wednesday night, stating that he intends to ``introduce legislation in the near future that would ban households with one or more Republican voters from adopting children or acting as foster parents.''

Hagan said his legislation was written in response to a bill introduced in the Ohio House this month by Rep. Ron Hood, R-Ashville, that is aimed at prohibiting gay adoption.

Democrat's reasoning never ceases to amaze me.

And I thought the democraps in Washington State were bad!

You thought right. They are.

Martin Luther began the Reformation with his 95 theses, an attack on the abuses of the Catholic church, nailed to the the door of the Wittenberg church.

These of are the theses of rejection of Islamism.

#20 stonemason wrote:

I just sent this to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin, and the Daily Local News of West Chester PA...it is worth a shot.

Wasn't the Evening Bulletin last published about 25 years ago?

#39 Pat:

I could not agree with you more. A manifesto of concerned citizens addressing the false and stupid accusation of "Islamophobia" (= "racism" in ignorant parlance) would go a long way to clarifying the fronts in this war.

A while back I was having a drink at a local Baltimore watering hole and got into conversation with a young couple there. At some point I said, as an aside, that I have a problem with Islam. They both recoiled as if I had said I have a problem with Puerto Ricans.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

#62 M. Bensson-Levi

Thanks for the hello.

OK, I'll sign too.

With regard to "secularism." That language doesn't bother me so much.

Most European countries still mix church and state, with official state churches. The US Constitution, on the other hand, strictly separates church and state. In which of the two are the churches most vibrant and healthy? Religious faith flourishes most authentically when one has the option of no religious faith. Only when "secularism" is mandated does it form a threat. Then it is just another religion.

What's the difference between Islam and Islamism?

Islamism is ostensibly a set of political ideologies, while "Islam" is ostensibly just a religion.

But Islam as it was conceived and described in the Qur'an and the Hadith of course spans politics, law, economics and every other aspect of life.

If Islam is not Islamism, could someone point me to which chapters of the Qur'an and which Hadiths are part of Islamism but not part of Islam?

Ultimately, calling it "Islamism" sounds a whole lot like a PC cop-out.

#63 madmama 2/28/2006 07:45PM PST
Contact Charles. He will need help, of course. But I think we have the horses here to enter this race.

#61 Killgore

Can you elaborate on that one? I don't get it.

Geez, I really don't wish to get into convictions here. I guess all I was trying to point out was that I find it interesting that any religious certitude, be it Judaic or Christian...or even Islamic principles are viewed as non-essential to the solving of the equation. Who knows...maybe that is as it should be. Reality and history will show that the ultimate desire for a secular and faith-free utopia is not attainable. Certainly not within this immediate historical slice of time. Again, I sincerely applaud those who so valiantly oppose lies laced with genocide and oppression. The cards are on the table. Who's ready at The River?

#66 Salem

"Even as an atheist, I'm inclined to agree. Though there will be pressure on Christians in America to accept secularism eventually, anyhow. But it seems like in a fast-moving situation like this, their coffee-talk approach will be slow going. While these guys are writing clever and compelling treatises on civil ligerty, the other side will do their talking with bombs and bullets. They are interested in defacing, not interfacing."

Agreed, and it's sad that religious leaders aren't speaking up -- at least as forcefully and loudly as these authors did. But that isn't a byproduct of religion per se. It's a byproduct of modern-day liberalism/leftism taking over the leadership of most all Western social institutions.

The authors could have said almost exactly what they did, but with a few small modifications, could have made the case for a secular State (only), without weakening their argument at all.

I suspect that the authors are particularly put-off by religion, given their experiences (which is understandable). But the risk is always going in the opposite extreme in such circumstances, sortof like how a woman who's been abused by a man who she trusted, often ends up hating and mistrusting men, in general.

#12 Skippy - Hey Skippy! You know, you ought to send them a letter; no, really I'm serious - that someone from California "cares" enough to write the NYT would, if sent via snail mail, I think at least get read and I believe they might just report on it!

;>)

#71 Cato the Elder,

If the topic comes up...I say it straight out and I don't even flinch!
I'm so sick of all this political correctness crap!
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISLAM!
And I'll shout it from the mountain if I have to!
Someone has to start talking straight...I figure it might as well start with ME!
If someone doesn't like it "tough shit".

#74 Kamala

Interesting point. It seems that people, including myself, use Islamism as shorthand for radical Islam. Without getting into the theology of it, some people are just more into "jihad" than others.

We plead for the universality of freedom of expression, so that a critical spirit may be exercised on all continents, against all abuses and all dogmas.

Here here. If Islam is so great, surely they can take a little criticism.

Of course, since a few cartoons seem to be undermining the whole faith and confidence of Muslims worldwide in their religion, I guess not...

Let's just be sure to include atheism, agnosticism, and "free"-thinking in the list of dogmas that can freely be criticised...

#79 Madmama:

I just got my MoBombHead T-shirt from Metrospy in the mail today. Unfortunately, the site says it is now sold out.

Showed it off at work - the reactions were instructive. Some said, "Whoa, sexy!" Others, "If you wear that, you're insane."

Meaning, "You can't be that crazy-brave. They'll kill you."

Screw "them"! This is America, and the only thing that will stop me wearing it is a bullet.

#76 Cartman
Sorry if I came off as overly confrontational. I just didn't understand what you were getting at, that's all.

I don't see this as a "jihad for secularism" i just think that these days the high profile people who can effectively talke these subjects are the secularists. I can't think of any current religious figure who could take up the cause.

Cato
Exactly. Dislike of religious doctrine makes one neither a bigot nor racist. It simply means you disagree. But to countenance slavery, misogynism, bigotry, poll taxes, and similar obsessions seems alright to the soccer mom. The phrase 'coming soon' to your daughter hardly registers, because the MSM refuses to catalogue the abuses these primitive shaman heap upon their disciples.

#72 father_of_10

Say hey.

Are you really the father of 10?

I'm the father of 3, and could not have managed all these years, without my cattle prod.

Yep. A solid foundation of morality, based on that good 'ol time religion, and the occasional use of the 'ol cattle prod, and we managed to bring 'em up pert decent.

10 might have required the arbitrary sacrifice of one, just to show the survivors that we were serious.

Are you really the father of 10?

#20 stonemason - I think it's great that you sent that off to some of the Ancient Media you can see if my #78 tht I urged Skippy to do the same.
I'm trying to compose a reasonably dignified letter and send it with this story by snail mail to the New York Daily News and the NY Post.
Believe me folks, they DO read snail mail and pay more attention than they do to e-mails which they (frequently correctly) beleive to have been written by someone angry and really just venting or someone who's part of a group with a collective axe to grind. Again, thanks for your efforts.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has all my admiration. And, my what a smile! There is no good reason that she isn't a household name in the West. The fact that NOW completely ignores her exposes their completely corrupt political agenda.

Cato..

I've got my 80 year old father (he's a tough ex-Japanese prisoner of war) looking at all this crap on the internet...
He's ready to buy one of those T-shirts himself...and said "I'd like to wear one of those and just see what one of em' would say/do to me!".

#77 Live4Truth

I suspect that the authors are particularly put-off by religion, given their experiences (which is understandable). But the risk is always going in the opposite extreme in such circumstances, sortof like how a woman who's been abused by a man who she trusted, often ends up hating and mistrusting men, in general.

I would agree. Folks like Salman Rushdie and Ali Sina (Faith Freedom International) conveniently forget that "free"-thinking gave us philosophies that have probably killed more people in the two centuries from the French revolution to the fall of Communism than had all previous wars and dictatorial regimes combined.

BUT

Looking at what they came out of, I can't be too hard on them for being a bit, ah, jaded.

Like all totalitarianisms, Islamism is nurtured by fears and frustrations.

The street rage we've seen all over the Muslim world is about what all anger is about: power and self-importance . . . the desperate, sham pretension to power and self-importance of people who know they have neither. What they don't see is that their plight is a direct result of their own backward ideology. Their religious leaders, in order to protect their own power and their exclusive custody of the ideology it is based on (Islam), blame others; others who have mastered . . . indeed have created . . . the modern world without any reference to them: namely, us. They simply cannot look at themselves critically, or bear to have others do it for them.

All that we have created has to be anathema to them, because it is a stinging accusation of the total and incurable failure of their most fundamental beliefs.

#84 pat

"Dislike of religious doctrine makes one neither a bigot nor racist. It simply means you disagree. But to countenance slavery, misogynism, bigotry, poll taxes, and similar obsessions seems alright to the soccer mom. The phrase 'coming soon' to your daughter hardly registers, because the MSM refuses to catalogue the abuses these primitive shaman heap upon their disciples."

That was so...like...wow!

#85 M. Bensson-Levi

10 might have required the arbitrary sacrifice of one, just to show the survivors that we were serious.

Are you really the father of 10?

No doubt! I decided after 2 to call it quits!

/lmao! Thanks M.Bensson-Levi!

Count me in too.

I'm also concerned about the call for "secular values for all", in addition to the calls "for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity". In context, the secular values are an opposition to the obscurantism and oppression of islamism. A clear point for liberty and tolerance is the separation of religion from government (not, of course, repression of religion), so that all will be able to observe their religious beliefs and traditions without governmental interference, as long as their beliefs and practices do not themselves interfere with the liberty of other people.

I also support efforts to assure wide circulation of the Manifesto against Islamic Totalitarianism.

#69, cogito. Perhaps, let us hope so, for there is nothing else so freely and hopefully offered by and by persons of such esteemed credentials. They have signed their name to the document for the world to read just as was done in the US in the summer of 1776. The danger of their having done so is just as grave. Let us hope they come out of this better than Luther did.

#80 cogito:

"It seems that people, including myself, use Islamism as shorthand for radical Islam. Without getting into the theology of it, some people are just more into "jihad" than others."

So Islamism is radical Islam. Ok, I get it. So what is the difference between Radical Islam and plain vanilla non-Radical Islam?

Do they use different version of Koran and Sura? Did OBL ever cited something which is not in plain vanilla Koran?

Kindly explain.

#88 Madmama:

(love your nic, by the way!) Your daddy is a mensh!

I'm sure they'll reissue the shirts. If not, I should probably squirrel it away as a collector's item.

On the other hand, anybody can place an order for T-shirts these days.

I'm going to wear mine (and my weapons) with pride.

Ann,

None of you shriekers show up on these good news threads.

You missed the earlier thread where the usual idiots were screeching about how the Danes had surrendered to dhimmitude, Europe was doomed, and how the end of the world was (as always) nigh.

Their evidence?

A single remark made by a Danish diplomat to an Arab newspaper.

#95, Mik. the practioners of plain vanilla Islam havn't been taught to convert, enslave, or kill you. Yet. Or they don't care and are leaving it to others to do the heavy lifting.

#95 mik

Do they use different version of Koran and Sura?

Nope, just like Christians and Jews they interpet sections differently or ignore them altogether.

#87 mich-again
She's a super babe who gives me a heart ache!

#92 m

ANYTIME!

Every laugh is a blessing...both ways.

BTW, some time over the weekend, Sunday night/Monday morning IIRC you posted your favorite dog joke...are you aware that this was an old Twilight Zone episode?...featuring character actor Arthur Hunnicutt(sp?),IIRC.
Check it out sometime.

Nite all, my dogs demand company.

very brave souls. I stand in awh of them.

100 Kilgore Trout

She's a super babe who gives me a heart ache!

Hollywood, the home of the Left "conscience" offers up airheaded skanks, swimsuit models and porn film wannabes, but ignores yours and my "super babe".

Hollywood...
*spit*

#83 Killgore

No probs! I have a tendancy to pontificate...to myself sometimes. I suppose I might be better served by merely lurking from here on. I'm comfortable with the reality that I'm "Chopped Liver #99". ;)

Jyllands-Posten has already published the letter.
Manifesto
Now I'm just waiting for the NYT and the european papers to follow.. waiting... and waiting... and waiting..

Damn, I'm gonna need a shave before that happens.

#105 Cartman
Please potnificate profusely.
I enjoy your posts.

#97 Dirk

I've followed some of your posts. You seem to be one angry SOB. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Where do I sign? This is the thirties all over again; storm clouds are rising, and cowards are crawling and appeasing when they should be standing tall.

#20 Stonemason

I think your best shot would be with The Inqy. The Daily Lack Of News doesn't print anything unless it come from the NYSlimes or AP (Jr. High school level reporting of local events excepted.)

-Drill

And you can add my name to that list.

Ditto.

Sign me up. Hope not being an "intellectual" won't be held against me.

#99:

Nope, just like Christians and Jews they interpet sections differently or ignore them altogether.

Uh huh. Nothing to fear from Judaism. But watch out for Judaismism. Add that extra ism and any religion gets dangerous.

12 signatures

Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Chahla Chafiq
Caroline Fourest
Bernard-Henri Lévy
Irshad Manji
Mehdi Mozaffari
Maryam Namazie
Taslima Nasreen
Salman Rushdie
Antoine Sfeir
Philippe Val
Ibn Warraq

If these 12 people were the co-presidents of the United Nations, I'd suddenly become a big UN supporter.

Notice how a substantial percentage of them are apostate Muslims. There's nothing like someone who's escaped from a cult religion repressive ideology to tell us how evil it really is.

stonemason! you in West Chester? I'm near 926 and 202. where u?

Brussels Journal's Paul Belein writes a rebuttal in today BJ on this. He says the emphasis on 'religion' and 'securlarism' is because several of the manifesto's authors were socialists and therefore they didn't want to lump communism in with the other isms in the manifesto. But that in itself is dishonest since what they mean by 'Stalinism' is 'communism' and it's not 'religion' that is the problem. Islam is more of a political party anyway, much like the Baathists and Nazis. It shares many of the same goals. It is that totalitarianism which is at fault. If, like other religions, it could remain a religion and stay out of politics that might be alright, but the very basic nuts and bolts in the Koran calls for the murder of unbelievers. That is just plain wrong.

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

"Anti-Jihad Manifesto Misses The Point"

Very very nice Manifesto.

I agree with it, but this part is just not true:

This struggle will not be won by arms

islam is totalitarian and only the use of legitimate force will stop its violennce.

"And you can add my name to that list."

and mine as well.

There *WILL* be and armed revolution, those with minds great enough to battle the idea's being postulated by the islamofaschist's.

I do not believe that the war will be over for many years as long as we have village idiots running the MSM who refuse to recognise a threat when it's beating on them.

Add the flying pig to the list. F*ck Islam!

Consider me a signatory to the document.

Timbre
Midland, Texas, USA

The statement is a last ditch appeal to Western elites willing to pay and cajole and appease the crocodile into eating them last. The part of the manifesto describing issues at hand as

...not a clash of civilisations nor an antagonism of West and East that we are witnessing, but a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats...

may be overly optimistic. This is to say the looming conflict could become both democrats vs theocrats and a clash of civilizations in the same manner that the Civil War became both about slavery and states' rights. When you consider the human rights issues also available to become part of the conflict when a number of Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia prominently) still practice human slavery, clitoridectomy, and a host of other barbaric beliefs and practices, the comparison is not far off. At any rate, the manifesto is a worthy effort.