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Wed, Mar 1, 2006 at 9:23:18 am PST

Here’s an open thread for Wednesday, thread #19,476 to be precise...

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1 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:23:59am

It's Wednesday.....

2 Boot Hill  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:24:19am

happy hump day

3 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:24:39am

That's Pugsley's sister, btw.....

4 cheesehead  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:25:09am

That picture of General Nagin made me lose my breakfast. And it was a decent breakfast too. Drat!

5 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:26:41am

Ah...some elbow room!

6 RedHeadedMenace  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:27:23am

Is it just me, or does he look like a young Idi Amin?

7 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:27:46am

So this is what the unencumbered habitat of an open thread looks like. Curious.

I wonder what would happen if I tried to say something like 'first.' Naw, that would be too cliche. Or maybe flog the ol' blog. Again, also cliche.

So what's a poor lizard minion to do? Await Ed the Weatherman's latest weather report on the oncoming NYC snow?

Gun talk?

Ponder why Ground Zero is still such a mess that there are still concerns over issues that were supposedly settled last year?

Or why Bush does best when he doesn't clue in the media until after he's already in the air that they're heading for a trip to Afghanistan to meet and greet Karzai and some US troops all while reiterating that the US is committed to getting OBL dead or alive.

8 davesax  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:28:55am

The New York Times gives Saeb Erekat a full page OP-ED.

Gag.

9 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:29:54am

Yeesh. The Marines must be playing with their toys up at Quantico again. My windows are rattling.

10 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:29:58am

Ahmadinejad claims he hears the voice of the 12th Imam!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"They just don't get it," he told an audience in Bushehr earlier this month. "They think that because they pass a resolution, everyone is obliged to obey it. Our message is simple: Pass resolutions until you are blue in the face! We are guided by what the Hidden Imam tells us, not by what you dictate in your resolutions."

A guy hearing voices from a dude dead 12 centures who has the flimisiest grasp of modern history and has supervised the contract killing of poltical oppenents wants nuclear weapons.

11 Tumulus11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:29:59am

. It's time to move on and put this 'bitterness' behind us.

12 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:30:08am

Swamps! I beatcha!

:D

/that's what you get for drinking margaritas without me! hmph! (and on the beach no less!)

13 Axiom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:31:08am

Does anyone else find it odd that as the United States increases its military presence in the Middle East the Arab Princes just seem to get wealthier and wealthier while they leverage said wealth to control assets in the United States(ports, universities)?

These autocracies have little incentive to quell violence while the United States acts as their protective order.

How can we get more people to read Martin Kramer?

14 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:31:11am

#8 davesax:

I saw that earlier today and posted on it. To the NYT, fair and balanced means giving terrorists an open forum to spew their nonsensical ravings.

Erekat's op-ed boils down to blaming Israel for all the PLO and Palestinian Authority's woes. The fence, the targeted attacks against the terrorists who launch missiles, rockets, and send suicide bombers to kill Israelis. All Israel's fault.

15 lykeios  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:32:05am

Livingstone: Jews are using "New McCarthyism" against me

Can Red Ken just step off a bridge and die?

16 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:32:36am
17 Axiom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:32:47am

#10 Ayatollah Ghilmeini: Does this mean that Atrios is going to have 10 open threads every day about Ahmanijedad's eschaton dreams?

18 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:32:54am

Just heard this on Rush:

Former Conyers Aids Press Ethics Complaints

I demand a mock impeachment hearing in the basement!

19 rightwingprof  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:33:34am
20 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:33:46am

#10 AG

A guy hearing voices from a dude dead 12 centures who has the flimisiest grasp of modern history and has supervised the contract killing of poltical oppenents wants nuclear weapons.


You forgot "What could go wrong?"
/snark

21 Carl B  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:33:59am

Just posted this on another thread, but it is urgent. This is a far greater violation than a few cartoons.

Tajikistan demolishing their only synagogue.

The mikve and several of the classrooms have already been torn down, with all the structures due to be demolished by June to make way for a new presidential palace.
22 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:34:14am

Bush makes classy gesture, roundly criticized.

BDS comes to India. It just never ends.

23 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:34:39am

Busy day today.

24 Axiom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:37:19am

#18 loppyd: Spring is almost here. Let's host it on the lawn in front of Capitol Hill.

Cocktails and Witnesses: The Conyers Barbeque!

25 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:37:29am

12Z NAM says NYC mixes with sleet and freezing rain for a time, which cuts down accumulations but adds to the fun, tomorrow morning.

Note 12Z NAM also suggests Philadelphia walks a fine line between liquid rain and freezing rain, and if it is mostly freezing rain, could be close to an inch of ice, sufficient to at least snap some tree limbs and power lines, plus make for a heckuvan exciting morning commute. Best ice odds North and West of town.

12Z GFS says NYC is mostly snow. Maybe 20 cm. NYC has had, IIRC, 4 straight years of 40 inches plus snow at Central Park, which has never happened before. This would be 5 straight years, a sure sign of global warming.

Notice that BOS gets only light, perhaps almost no, snow. Just a tad too far North.


New 12Z GFS also suggests about 1 week, maybe, to first semi-widespread Kansas-Oklahoma-Texas tornado outbreak of Spring Tornado Season 2006.

26 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:38:50am

#22 Jamie

BDS comes to India. It just never ends.


Time to close down all those call centers/help desks we outsourced.

27 davesax  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:38:54am

#14 Lawhawk:

Thanks for posting that. What's most disturbing is that the Times says that all Op-Eds are checked for factual accuracy. Obviously, they are not.

Who was that writer a couple of years ago who described her herendous experience of trying to get a pro-Israel OP-ED written in the Times, only to give up because they kept changing it? It's somewhere on the net...it was pretty big news in the blogosphere.

28 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:40:01am

loppyd

demand a mock impeachment hearing in the basement!

Im in! Is there a ping pong table?

29 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:40:26am

How's this excuse for aiding & abetting illegal immigration:

Catholic bishops on immigration reform
Monday's editorial "Churchmen and coyotes" misrepresents the position of the Catholic Church on immigration reform generally and the Housed-passed version (H.R.4437) specifically. Your readers deserve the facts.
The Catholic bishops opposed the House bill in December for numerous reasons, including that the legislation would for the first time in our nation's history criminalize those here without authorization and those who would "assist" them......... (read whole thing in link below, 3rd letter down)

MARK FRANKEN
Executive director
Migration and Refugee Services
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
Washington

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

30 cheesehead  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:40:55am

Oh joy! I'm number 4 and you weren't. I hereby claim all privileges and benefits that are afforded to those like myself that are in the all-powerful and omnipotent top-five! Gawd, that felt wonderful. Excuse me while I pat myself repeatedly on the back. pat..pat...pat....

31 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:41:23am

#9 Flipflop,

Yes, I to have noticed a great increase in window rattling of late. Makes one wonder if something is up?

Or maybe it's just the newest crop of OCSers in training.

32 Evan from NZ  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:41:26am

NZ Palestinian Terror Supporters' Club urge Israel to accept Hamas.

Key Line:

Israel must be brought to respect international law and to abandon its practice of an extremist ideology, which is unacceptable in today’s post- apartheid, multicultural world.

Pssst - don't mention Saudi Arabia.

33 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:41:28am

22 JammieWearingFool

"The only way that Bush can honor Gandhi is by ... showing greater compassion for the poor people of the world and not by laying a wreath at his memorial," he said in a statement released by the Washington-based Institute for Public Policy.

I'd like to shove the wreath up this idiots arse.

34 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:42:20am

More BDS in India.

The usual suspects:

On Tuesday, about 1,000 Muslims demonstrated in Bombay, some waving placards reading "Devil Bush Go Back," with caricatures of Bush as a cross between Superman and Satan — dressed in the superhero's red-and-blue costume with devil's horns and clutching a missile.

Some mosques in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, where Bush will visit Friday, have already unfurled banners protesting his arrival and plan to chant verses from the Quran in hopes that it will drive him away.

Muslim groups also have called for a daylong strike to protest Bush's visit to Hyderabad, a key center of India's booming information technology industry. Muslims account for nearly 40 percent of the city's 7 million people.

Members of the leftist Students Federation of India and the Communist Party of India burned effigies of Bush at three intersections in Hyderabad on Tuesday.

The communists, who are key allies of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government, also plan to protest Thursday at India's Parliament in New Delhi, a few miles from where Bush and Singh will meet.

"Up to 50,000 people will take part in the march, and we have the police permission to express our feelings," said Pushpender Grewal, secretary of the Communist Party of India.

"We will protest against the U.S. policies, especially the inhuman atrocities in Afghanistan and Iraq, a likely invasion of
Iran and its continuing support to
Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine."

Communists and Muslim groups have criticized New Delhi for backing a U.S. move to report longtime ally Iran to the
International Atomic Energy Agency over allegations Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

35 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:42:45am
36 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:42:46am

24 Axiom

Cocktails and Witnesses: The Conyers Barbeque!

Sounds like a Kennedy trial to me.

37 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:43:33am

28 TMF

Im in! Is there a ping pong table?

Beer Pong!

38 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:43:42am

Can someone clue me in on this,

illegal aliens pay taxes

How? Don't you have to have a social security number and don't you have to have a birth certificate to get a social security number?

I'm not talking about legal immigrants with work visas.

39 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:44:40am
40 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:45:01am

NEWS FLASH!

Denmark Apologizes!

(Be sure to right-click the headings at the top.)

41 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:45:25am

Perhaps the only redeeming trait of 'V is for Vengance' is that the audience could imagine Ken Livingstone and a spandex-clad Goerge Galloway in parliment as it's being blown up dramatically as we've seen in the trailers.

42 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:45:28am

34 JammieWearingFool

The commies hate Bush? That's a shockah!

43 Evan from NZ  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:46:38am

Addendum to previous post - "Israel must abandon its 'extremist' ideology" but Hamas can keep theirs?

The jokes keep on coming.

44 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:47:00am

38 newsjunkie_ky

illegal aliens pay taxes

In what context did you read this?

45 Indefatigable  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:47:15am

#15 lykeios


Because Red Ken, like the Islamists, fall back to the old standard:

"No matter whose fault it is, blame the Jew."

46 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:47:37am

At least there is come good news today: Israel/Palestine-Fueled Solo My Name Is Rachel Corrie Won't Reach NY in March

An expected Off-Broadway transfer of the London solo, My Name Is Rachel Corrie penned by actor Alan Rickman and journalist Katherine Viner, about the death of an American protestor killed in the Gaza Strip, will not see the New York stage this season.

The work was never announced or listed as a consideration by New York Theatre Workshop but had been planned to reach the downtown Manhattan stage in March.

Well thank goodness! Oh but:

"We always try to minimize the distractions around the production so our constituency can hear the artist's voice. This takes a great deal of planning and listening to accomplish. In the less than two months we had to mount the proposed production of the Royal Court's My Name Is Rachel Corrie, we found that there was a strong possibility that a number of factions, on all sides of a political conflict, could use the production as a platform for their own agendas. We were not confident that we had the time to create an environment where the art could be heard independent of the political issues associated with it."

So you mean they can show this play giving their point of view, but anyone who doesn't like it is using it as a platform for their agenda? Give me a break!

There is no way to seperate the play from the politics when the play is a freaking political LIE!

47 GotFrags?  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:47:39am

#19

Meanwhile in the Contradiction State (CT), our erstwhile "legislature" has now seen fit to enact a law protecting us from the inherent evils of colored handguns.


Referred to Committee on Public Safety and Security Introduced by:
(PS)
AN ACT CONCERNING COLORED HANDGUNS.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened:
Section 1. (NEW) (Effective October 1, 2006) (a) No person shall 1 manufacture, distribute, transport or import into the state, possess, 2 offer or expose for sale or give away any handgun that is coated with a 3
color other than chrome, military camel, black, gray or nickel. 4 (b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to 5 handguns used by the Department of Public Safety, police 6 departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval 7 forces of this state or of the United States in the discharge of their 8
official duties. 9 This act shall take effect as follows and shall amend the following
sections: Section 1 October 1, 2006 New section Statement of Purpose:
To ban the possession, manufacture or sale of handguns that are coated with various colors.

WTF?

48 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:49:55am

newsjunkie_ky

illegal aliens pay taxes


I suppose it means if they're working they must be using somebody's social security number, so there would be taxes withheld, but no tax return ever filed...I suppose.

49 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:50:35am

#38 newsjunkie
They pay taxes when they purchase products. They do not pay into the system which suports the programs they take advantage of through payroll taxes. If Neal Boortz and Congressman Linder could get the congress to take up The Fair Tax plan this could be addressed

50 Grand Junctionite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:51:56am

#19 Rightwingprof

Indiana is having some problems.

Not your Indiana

51 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:51:59am

#22 JWF

Note the last paragraph:

It is customary for all leading international guests to lay a wreath at the memorial, where Gandhi was cremated after he was shot dead by a Hindu rightwinger in 1948.

It's those eeeeeeevil rightwingers again! Haliburton must have a time machine....

52 BIG  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:52:23am

#8 davesax 3/1/2006 09:28AM PST

Did you notice that he never once mentioned any Palestinian obligations toward peace in the entire article?

53 Indefatigable  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:52:43am

#46 m

Nah, that's liberal tribespeak for, "We want to try to obfuscate the fact that Rachel was aiding and abetting terrorist sympathizers. Unfortunately, a thorough study revealed no one will buy that... or buy a ticket for that."

54 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:52:47am

47 GotFrags

That's f-d up. Maybe gang related?

Greetings from MA, BTW!

55 Grand Junctionite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:53:55am
56 brenda  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:54:08am

#38 newsjunkie

Illegal aliens use ITINs (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) to pay taxes and also to buy houses and such. ITINs were designed for some other purpose (I forget what) but are now used illegally for the nefarious purposes of foreigners.

Can banks profiteer from illegal immigration with impunity?

57 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:54:32am

46 m

Maybe they were afraid THIS PHOTO would be part of the debate.

58 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:54:34am

44 loppyd

Everytime there is a discussion about illegal aliens those arguing for the illegals bring this subject up and no ever questions them about this statement.

Thanks for the thoughts redstate and just_a.

This subject has always bugged me.

59 PDM  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:55:16am

Israelis ask Oscars to drop suicide bomb film

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A group of Israelis who lost children to Palestinian suicide bombings appealed on Wednesday to organizers of next week's Academy Awards to disqualify a film exploring the reasoning behind such attacks.

Good luck.

60 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:55:49am

Oh good Lord:

"Our war with the Jews is over land, brothers. We must understand this. If they had not plundered our land, there wouldn't be a war between us," al Qaradhawi said in a television program broadcast Saturday on Qatar TV. A translation of his comments was provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

"We are fighting them in the name of Islam, because Islam commands us to fight whoever plunders our land and occupies our country," al Qaradhawi said. "The Muslims of that country must carry out the resistance, and the rest of the Muslims must help them. If the people of that country are incapable or reluctant, we must fight to defend the land of Islam, even if the local [Muslims] give it up."

I didn't realize the [bigoted word]s were all peaches and cream until 1948. *yeah right!*

Al Qaradhawi said he issued an Islamic religious ruling saying that "martyrdom operations" (suicide bombings) are permitted as part of a holy war between Judaism and Islam.

"They fight us with Judaism, so we should fight them with Islam. They fight us with the Torah, so we should fight them with the Koran.

"If they say 'the Temple,' we should say 'the Al-Aqsa Mosque.' If they say: 'We glorify the Sabbath,' we should say: 'We glorify the Friday.' This is how it should be. Religion must lead the war. This is the only way we can win," said al Qaradhawi.

Al Qaradhawi's comments -- that Muslims from different countries must fight "under the banner of Islam"-- take on added significance, given the fact that Hamas soon will dominate the Palestinian government.

Well there it is in a nutshell.

link

61 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:56:28am

#53 Indefatigable

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

62 Jimbouie  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:56:36am

G-d bless Charles and all you lizards for providing and maintaining an oasis of clarity, strength and humor in what's becoming a most crazy, mixed up woyld (apologies to Bogie).

I don't post much, but I truly appreciate all of y'all...

63 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:57:05am

58 newsjunkie_ky

Everytime there is a discussion about illegal aliens those arguing for the illegals bring this subject up and no ever questions them about this statement.

The libs love to use that phrase and never get called on it.

Here in MA that was thrown around during the debate on whether to extend in-state tuition to illegal aliens. The bill was defeated, thankfully.

64 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:57:35am

#31 semper gumbi

Are you in shock-wave distance of Q as well?

65 # 17  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:57:49am

Can there be an OT Topic on an Open Thread ?

Has there been any news of Norman Kember and the other piece hostages, given that it is over three months since they were "abducted".

66 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:58:01am

#57 loppyd

I would HAVE HAD to make a trip to NY just to protest these assholes. And that picture would make a niiiiiiiiice sign :D

67 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:59:02am

55 Grand Junctionite

There are no words.

May G-d bless and keep his family.

68 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:59:20am

Any lawyers on the thread? I have questions about the legality of aerial photography.

69 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:59:26am

#62 Jimbouie

aawww! Well you should certainly post more often!

/flattery will get you everywhere :D

70 kayawanee  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:00:55am

#47 GotFrags?

To ban the possession, manufacture or sale of handguns that are coated with various colors.

WTF?

There may be two reasons for this:

1) They don't want "camoflage" colored guns because they can be used for "paramilitary" purposes; or

2) They want their police to be able to better differentiate if a person is holding a real gun or a toy gun. Toy guns are generally in bright colors, sometimes multi-colored, so that an officer under pressure can quickly determine if the gun holder really is a threat or not.

I don't know which it is, but it's a stupid law either way. If it's because of #1, then it won't change anything. If it's because of #2 then there is a better way. Just reserve one color for toy guns, one for bb/pellet guns, and prohibit those two colors from being used in real gun manufacturing.

71 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:02:19am

loppyd

The idea that illegal aliens would get in-state tuition burns my butt.

Did CA block this practice also?

72 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:02:20am

There's some ugly news on Fox this morning.
Illegal aliens are being provided lawyers through the mexican government to sue American land owners who "harrass" illegals tresspassing
on private property. One ranch has already been
sued and is now owned by socalled protected illegal aliens. So we're being told again as tax paying citizens we have no rights or protections against those are illegally invading this country. Now they are using our justice system to steal from those who pay the taxes for those who come here to suck us dry.
If I were the original owners of that ranch stolen by the mexican governemt via illegal aliens, I'd salt the whole thing where nothing would ever grow.

73 RTLM  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:02:36am

I always drink too much on Wednesday nights.

74 GotFrags?  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:03:00am

#54 loppyd

Hi Neighbor! Have enjoyed reading yours past posts. Keep up the good work.

I was imagining a gang connection as well, but couldn't fathom any gang having the audacity to carry pink handguns. Guess anything is possible.

C/

75 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:04:43am
An expected Off-Broadway transfer of the London solo, My Name Is Rachel Corrie penned by actor Alan Rickman and journalist Katherine Viner, about the death of an American protestor killed in the Gaza Strip, will not see the New York stage this season.

My favorite Alan Rickman scene was seeing him fall to his death from the Nakatomi Building in Die Hard.

If only life really imitated art.

76 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:05:13am

74 GotFrags? 3/1/2006 10:03AM PST

code pink, perhaps...
-- DRG --....
;>P

77 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:05:15am

68 flip flop

paralegal here....what state are you in?

78 jakewashere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:05:58am

REPOST

I thought I'd distract those who are interested by linking to the latest Thing That Pisses Me Off.

Not like a movie's going to bring down our government, but all the moonbats and wingnuts in Hollywood are going apeshit over the forthcoming V FOR VENDETTA. Here's a discussion on V from a site that I used to like, until about three years ago when its entire staff began to reveal themselves as left-wing firebrands at heart...

[Link: www.chud.com...]

I mean, WTF? You read this very carefully, you start to understand the magnitude of what we're up against. Fuck the Muslims, can we talk about the Fifth Column here?

79 GotFrags?  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:05:59am

#70 kayawanee

Maybe related to some/all of your points. More likely, it's a "death by 1,000 cuts" strategy. I'll look up the legislative history to see the justification.

C/

80 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:07:11am

Speaking of Mexico, anybody heard about this American family kidnapped my Mexican military or para-military?
Link

81 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:08:00am

Bay Area Americana Report

SF is nuts, but I want you all to know that not everybody I the SF Bay Area is an LLL. I want to tell you about last night’s city council meeting here in Concord, in the East Bay area.

They opened with the Pledge of Allegiance, and they didn’t leave out “under God”. I saw several flag lapel pins.

Then they had a presentation about our local VFW-affiliated drum corps (marching band, I guess) which just won the international drum corps championship, which was held in Holland a few weeks ago.

Casey Sheehan’s uniform is on display at our veteran’s hall, by the way.

Then they had a birthday proclamation for a man’s 102nd birthday. He immigrated from Italy in 1923, worked at first as a day laborer, eventually built up his own produce business in SF, then retired to Concord in 1969. He has spent the time since doing lots of volunteer work with local youth. His family was there, there were pictures taken with the mayor, etc etc.

Then they got down to the serious business of what the heck we are going to do with the 5,000 acres we are getting control of when the Port Chicago Naval Weapons Station closes in a few years. People who work for the city told how lots of times foreign developers have come in to city offices and demanded(!) that the land be sold to them. City officials reported that this time (as opposed to last time), the gov’t has given the city total say in who the land is sold to, as long as it is for a fair market price. Yeah!

Yeah for the city for caring more about city than about the money, and yeah for the feds for giving us local control.

Okay, that’s all. My longest post ever.

82 Tumulus11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:08:31am

#46 m

' My Name Is Rachel Corrie Won't Reach NY in March '

. When I heard that the play about Rachel wouldn't be staged in New York this season, I was crushed.

83 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:08:54am

#77 loppyd

Virginia. Photographs would be taken over a rural, but privately-owned area.

84 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:08:54am

RTLM

I always drink too much on Wednesday nights.


A practice encouraged by "hump day" specials at bars.

85 Fjordman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:09:23am

Quark, have you read this?

The Second Mexican War


Didn't Mexico recently say that the USA should stop treating illegals as, well, illegals? Does anybody have a link to this?

86 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:09:30am

Hit me FlipFlop

87 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:10:30am

Here is a link to an article about the cartoon "unveiling" in Irvine, CA last night, from a newspaper that

decided that printing them was not necessary to an understanding of the news story and would "serve no useful purpose" while needlessly offending members of the community.

And here is another from a paper with which I am unfamiliar. It has a photo I have not seen elsewhere, of a person who was ejected from the event being "held" (restrained?) by another.

88 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:10:56am

#73 RTLM:

Well, at least you wait until night.

*hic*

89 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:10:56am

#60 m

"We are fighting them in the name of Islam, because Islam commands us to fight whoever plunders our land and occupies our country


What you have to realize, and you do, is that "All your lands are belong to us".

90 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:13:35am

Hey, whats PETA and ELF's take on the murdering of 1000000s of innocent chickens in China, India and elsewhere?

you'd think they'd be on the front lines of this tragedy of Holocaust proportions.

91 armytramp  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:13:49am

Cartoonists Sign Danish Flag for Comic Book Legal Defense Fund

HANLEY’S HOSTS DANISH FLAG-SIGNING EVENT FOR CBLDF
Press Release

On Wednesday March 8, Jim Hanley’s Universe will be hosting a special “Flag Signing” for the CBLDF, where we want your autograph. Cartoonists and industry professionals are all invited to sign a flag of Denmark as a show of solidarity with the cartoonists being persecuted as a result of the still raging Mohammed cartoon controversy. The flag will be auctioned at a later date to support the free speech advocacy work of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. The event will begin at 6:00 PM.

The brainchild of Colleen Doran, the large vinyl Denmark flag has been signed and drawn upon by a wide variety of comics’ finest talents at last week’s New York Comic-Con. Signers so far include: Colleen Doran, Jim Lee, Neal Adams, Kevin Smith, Frank Miller, Joe Quesada, Todd McFarlane, John Romita, Jr., Kevin Nowlan, Kevin Eastman, Paul Gulacy, Kevin Maguire, Larry Marder, Shannon Denton, Walt Simonson, Terry Austin, Scott Hanna, Rags Morales, Erik Larsen, Chris Eliopolous, Bob Wayne, Paul Levitz, Brian Michael Bendis, David Mack, Carlos D’Anda, Joe Staton, Jim Salicrup, Carl Potts, Bill Sienkiewicz, Irwin Hasen, Jim Steranko, Mark Bagley, Frank Cho, Michael William Kaluta, John Lucas, Daniel Vozzo, Ale Garza, Garth Ennis, Esad Ribic, Mike Lilly, Dean Yeagle, and many others.

CBLDF Executive Director Charles Brownstein says, “The violent fundamentalist outbursts raging as a result of the Danish cartoons are chilling to everyone who values Free Expression. Everyone who loves comics understands the power of images, and most of us are aghast at how the lines these cartoonists put on paper has provoked violence rather than dialogue. When Colleen put this flag together, it was intended as a way for American cartoonists and comics professionals to express their solidarity with the Danish cartoonists facing persecution, and to emphasize the value we all place on freedom of expression. It’s our hope that with this first signing event at Jim Hanley’s that we’ll be able to gather the signatures of every creator in our community that values Free Expression and the power of the images we create.”

Both Brownstein and CBLDF Deputy Director Greg Thompson will be on hand at the event to greet signers and gather new CBLDF memberships.

Jim Hanley’s Universe Manager and Events Coordinator, Vito Delsante, says, “Hanley’s is a huge supporter of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. You can’t put a value on the work they do every day to protect the First Amendment. I hope to see all my fellow comic creators here next week for this important event. In a time like this, I think it goes without saying that we need to show our support for this incredibly important cause.”

Jim Hanley’s Universe is located at 4 West 33rd Street (opposite the Empire State Building). For more info, please call 212-268-7088.

92 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:14:07am

Today's the anniversary of the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas...
The Bamiyan Project

I recomend you visit here for a virtual tour of the site (quicktime required). It takes a few minutes to load but well worth it.

93 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:14:31am

#86 ayatollah

on the way!

94 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:15:18am

All day there has been a kertuffle (is that a real word?) over who was first. Well here is a newsflash for the [bigoted word]s. First there were Jews, then there were Christians, and then there were Muslims. So basically they are trying to take a wildcard berth in the playoffs and ride it to the championship.

95 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:15:56am

71 newsjunkie_ky

I don't know about CA.

Here in MA it was considered a major victory. The dems were caught off guard by the outpouring of anger by their usually LLL constituency over it.

96 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:17:29am

84 redstate

A practice encouraged by "hump day" specials at bars.

Sounds like a good reason for a law suit.
"I can't quit drinking because of the "hump day" specials at all the bars." Then I get home to the wife on "hump day" and can't get it to work. I demand "hump day" be changed to "no hump day".

Heh
:)

97 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:18:11am

#8 davesax - Hi guy! Good to see you posting again - how are ya doing?

98 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:18:38am

@85 Fjordman

Thanx for the link. I haven't read that.
Living in a border state myself, I'm tired of reading taxpaying property owners being run over roughshod by two governments.
I also ask, what court/judge allowed such a civil case to into court against someone actively defending themselves and their property? Another land owner, wheelchair bound had several charges of murder filed against him after 32 illegals attacked him and his family. They live in a remote area. Then he was sued in civil court trying to wrest his property from him because he was had all the charges dropped or diminished. It cost him 100,000 dollars to defend himself in court! He should file a massive lawsuit against the mexcian government.

99 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:18:54am
100 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:19:58am

#64 Flipflop,

Closer than you. I live in South Stafford. Frankly, I'm amazed the shock wave reaches into Spotsy.

101 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:21:56am

#100 semper gumbi

*ah* OK. I thought you were out in King George Co. You're probably only a few miles north of me, but definitely closer to the range.

102 Baron Bodissey  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:24:02am

I don't know if anybody else is featuring this book, but y'all might want to take a look at the new illustrated Bush-bashing cartoon book.

My take: Hmm… Novel Idea: Republicans as Pigs

I'm assuming, based on the reader reviews, that this is what passes for great humor on the Left. Well, I find it to be a hoot, but for other reasons...

103 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:24:34am

#94 just a grunt:

It's kerfuffle. And yes, it's a word.

104 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:24:35am

Don't Diss Mo, but Bush desecration syndrome is A-OK, healthy & encouraged "free speech" by the usual suspects

Members of the leftist Students Federation of India and the Communist Party of India burned effigies of Bush at three intersections in Hyderabad on Tuesday

105 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:25:14am

#99 rayra
Congrats on the hard work and good job. The only mention I saw of this event was on the crawl at the bottom of the screen on Fox news before leaving for work. I guess with no burning cars there just wasn't any "news" worth reporting.

106 brenda  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:27:22am

# 85 fjordman

Mexico has been essentially saying for years that our casa is their casa. Something like 60 percent of Mexicans believe that the US southwest belongs to them, so therefore (in near-Islamic logic) they don't need to follow American immigration laws.

The Bush administration is in agreement, more or less, and is working to "integrate" the North American continent.

CFR's Plan to Integrate US, Mexico and Canada

The Council on Foreign Relations' planning document is quite a jaw-dropper for us citizens who still believe in borders and sovereignty.

107 bouzouki  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:27:24am

#15 lykeios

Livingstone: Jews are using "New McCarthyism" against me

Is that the "New, Improved McCarthyism" that I've been hearing about?

108 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:27:32am

#99 rayra

Outstanding...looking forward to the completed work.

109 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:27:36am

25 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigade -
"12Z GFS says NYC is mostly snow. Maybe 20 cm. NYC has had, IIRC, 4 straight years of 40 inches plus snow at Central Park, which has never happened before. This would be 5 straight years, a sure sign of global warming."
Either you forgot a sarc tag after "a sure sign of global warming" or I'm gonna have to rethink my position on global warming! LOL!
I think your IIRC is correct - we seem to get snow later each year ( a White Christmas was a given 35 years or so ago) now we don't seem to even start getting snow at all until mid- to late January but we do get it less frequently, but when we get it, WE GET IT!
Thanks again for your weather updates.

110 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:27:59am

#99 rayra

this was a segregated protest

Hilarious. Whilst waving signs and chanting "Mohammad is a protector of women," they were standing at the "back of the bus."

111 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:28:29am

Bill Bennett pens a strong, eloquent argument against the UAE ports deal.

At NR Online

Hard to refute.

112 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:28:38am

This looks like the right thread to bring this back up, with highlights:

More Americans abducted along Mexico border than in Iraq

Twenty-six Americans are now officially listed as missing in the Laredo-Nuevo Laredo region of the U.S.-Mexico border—in addition to the more than 400 Mexicans reported to be suffering a similar fate.

The number of American civilians missing or kidnapped in Iraq since the beginning of the war is 23 as of last September, the latest figure released by the State Department

-------------------

On Jan. 3 there was a harrowing standoff with heavily armed suspected cartel paramilitaries in the hamlet of El Cenizo, about 15 miles south of here.

An alleged smuggler drove a van pursued by sheriff’s deputies into the Rio Grande and used his cell phone to call in reinforcements.

“They arrived within minutes—all clad in black, all with AK-47s—and took up positions on the Mexican bank,” recalls Mr. Flores. “They shouted to us in English—and I convey these words literally—‘You wanna play, mother f…rs? Let’s play!’ Unfortunately, we could not engage them across an international boundary.”

------------------

“They don’t even court women anymore. They abduct them at gunpoint and give them as presents to their bosses,” Mr. Flores says, shaking his head. “Here, beauty can be a curse.”

That is what happened, many believe, to U.S. citizens Yvette Martinez and Brenda Cisneros, who disappeared in Nuevo Laredo in September 2004

-------------------

Coincidentally or not, Laredo police and federal agents busted in early February what amounts to an underground factory for manufacturing improvised explosive devices comparable to those used in Iraq, seizing about half a dozen ready-made bombs and materials able to make almost 100 more.

A puzzling incursion, local officials said, was witnessed in the middle of the night 20 miles south of Laredo about a year ago.

About 20 physically well-trained men, all dressed in black with automatic rifles slung over their shoulders, crossed the Rio Grande and headed into the U.S., carrying oversized duffel bags.

“They were intercepted by the Border Patrol further down. But to this day, we don’t know what was in these bags,” one of the officials said. “Whatever the cargo, these men appeared to be ready to pick up a major fight to protect it. And that’s very unusual for a drug smuggling operation.”

A request for information left with the Border Patrol still remains unanswered.


113 Bob's Kid  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:29:10am

Man, I can't even HOPE to keep up around here when I have to work. It ain't fair.

/whine

114 religion of bacon  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:29:39am

#99 rayra

"Mohammad Protector of Women" ?!?

Except Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Oriana Fallaci, of course.

115 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:30:18am

74 GotFrags?

Some of the gangs here (Lowell, Lawrence, Springfield) here drive really funky neon color cars...maybe they getting guns to accesorize?

:)

116 Baron Bodissey  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:30:24am

#103 lawhawk and #94 just a grunt

There's even a blog called Kerfuffles. I recommend it.

117 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:30:35am

@85 Fjordman

I'm sure you remember the fairy tale of the goose who laid the golden eggs. Well we're the goose, and they are in the process of killing the layer of golden eggs. Who they going after next, Canada?
They want to control the whole of North America? There are huge expanses of Mexico under no control, and they speak they can control this country? Good luck on that. What they'll get is whole lot of useless weeds, after the goose is long gone.
Nothing like a bunch of fools, other than a bunch of damned fools.

118 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:30:54am

Cartoons a Califormia College Create "Chaos"...
University Panel Discussing Muhammed Cartoons Ends In Chaos

IRVINE, Calif. -- A student panel discussion that included a display of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons descended into chaos, with one speaker calling Islam an "evil religion" and audience members nearly coming to blows...

Tensions quickly escalated when the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the conservative Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, said that Islam was an "evil religion" and that all Muslims hate America.

People repeatedly interrupted the talk and, at one point, campus police removed two men, one of them a Muslim, after they nearly came to blows.

Later, panelists were cheered when they referred to Muslims as fascists and accused mainstream Muslim-American civil rights groups of being "cheerleaders for terror."

"I put out a call to Muslims in America: Put out a fatwa on (Osama) bin Laden, put out a fatwa on (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi," said panelist Lee Kaplan, a UAC spokesman. "Support America in the war on terror."


Who saw this coming?

119 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:30:54am

#114 religion of bacon
Or 15 y/o rape victims of diminshed mental capacity

120 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:33:07am

flip flop

It's legal in MA. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy of the land/home owner.

121 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:34:06am

#116 Baron
Clicked on your link and Sgt Hester was on Fox and Friends this morning recounting her story. It would help if the people asking the questions knew what to ask or how to lead the guest. They jsut seemed to be overwhelmed by her more then they are congressmen and other such big shots.

122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:34:12am

#118 Killgore Trout

Later, panelists were cheered when they referred to Muslims as fascists and accused mainstream Muslim-American civil rights groups of being "cheerleaders for terror."

LLL professors are apparently slacking on the job at UC Irvine.

Sounds good to me.

123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:34:27am
124 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:36:15am

#50 GJ

Another friend, Bill Swaggerty, says there is more than vandalism for the family to deal with. They're calling here and saying, 'I'm glad your son is dead' and it's wrong."

The anonymous phone calls to the grieved families happens more often than people realise.

125 cbinflux  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:36:18am

#6 RedHeadedMenace

I think that he's going for the Generalissimo Hugo Chavez as Fidel Castro/Che' look. Afterall, he is/was running a commie-like, eight generation welfare state, he has his get-out-of-coup safehouse in Dallas at the ready, and like all good La. lefties you can bet he's got some good bank accounts.

126 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:36:30am

#47 GotFrags? WTF, indeed! What other colors do guns come in (oh wait, maybe some of the Hollywood anti-gun Women who pack heat anyway, have had them colored "pink" or "plum" or some such to go with the handbags they carry them in).

127 father_of_10  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:36:31am

India has always appeared as a fairly level-headed country that understood the volatile nature of Islam, in my opinion. Probably had something to do with the British influence and the resulting prosperity. But, America's enemies know no bounds and have no ethics and no integrity. BSD is just another manifestation of ASD (America Derangment Syndrome) of even FSD (Freedom Derangment Syndrome).

128 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:36:58am

#122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
It's nice to see this laudry aired out in LLL stronghold. Let's hope the trend continues.

129 GotFrags?  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:37:03am

#115 loppyd

Yep, nothing better to establish strong street creds than sporting your new pink Glock. (:->)

C/

130 religion of bacon  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:37:10am

#118 Kilgore Trout

"The agenda is to spread Islamophobia and create hysteria against Muslims similar to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany," said Umarji, an electrical engineer who graduated from Irvine last spring.

Well, at least he's not a Holocaust denier...

131 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:37:37am

#120 loppyd

OK, that helps some. Thanks!

132 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:38:34am

The Knesset started its inquiry into last month's events at 'Amona' today. This post also links to video footage from the scene and will teach you what a Mondanock baton is. It's not a pretty thing.

Is Palestinian statehood still a viable option? It might be, but it certainly won't solve anything.

IHTGBTWN.

133 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:38:52am

48 redstateredneck and newsjunkie_ky - well if they're not using phony social security cards/numbers, maybe it means they pay sales tax?

134 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:39:06am

#78 jakewashere

Yes, yes, that's the ticket for Hollywood to regain attendance at the movie theatres: another "fascist" movie (with thinly-veiled references to the BusHitler regime)! Yay, what courage, what a way to fight the powers that be! I mean, nobody's ever done a move that makes us question the BusHitler regime and "conservatives", right? It's a profile in courage! A masterpiece, a film for the times!

Geez...

/wondering if Hollywood is going to make a film about the Soviet Gulag or the Chinese political prisoner camps.

135 Baron Bodissey  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:40:40am

#121 Just_A_Grunt

I'm assuming you mean the kerfuffles link.

Well, at least Fox put her on the air. The other networks would be busy with Cindy Sheehan or army deserters or some such.

136 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:41:27am

3 Earth2moonbat

That's Pugsley's sister, btw.....

originally to be name Pubert but it got PCed

137 Baldy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:41:52am

I find the Anna Nicole Smith trip to SCOTUS amusing. I also think she's beautiful (at times). Then again, if I were a Cowboy...

138 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:41:57am

#92 killgore trout

Bamiyan Buddhas Gone Boom by Taliban Day!

Strangely enough John Fund of the Wall Street Journal was on Hannity & Colmes last night recalling how the new Yalie student & former Taliban spokesperson met with him and other WSJ folks some time before September 11th in New York.

This Yalie Talib defended blowing up the Budhhas, stoning women, and other atrocious actions of his parasitic government in Afghanistan with full conviction. Fund said he realized then he was staring at evil personified. Fund also said he remembered the Yalie Talib looked up strangely at the World Trade Center towers visible from the Wall Street Journal offices.

139 RedHeadedMenace  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:42:00am

#95 loppyd
#71 newsjunkie_ky

I don't know about CA.

Unfortunately I do. If the legislature in this state could get its colllective head out, my blood pressure wouldn't rise when this topic comes up.

If they had their way, illegals would have driver's licenses (because you know, they'll buy insurance then), sponsored tuition (that's already in place, sorta) and Jah only knows what else.

If I could move, I would.

140 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:42:13am
141 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:42:22am
142 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:43:12am

#99 rayra aka *I Rant ∴ I Am*

great pictures, noticed the women didn't have their heads covered as I could tell, best poster 'mohammad protector of women'

#118 Killgore Trout 3/1/2006 10:30AM PS

"I put out a call to Muslims in America: Put out a fatwa on (Osama) bin Laden, put out a fatwa on (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi," said panelist Lee Kaplan, a UAC spokesman. "Support America in the war on terror."


that would certainly speak volumes, however...
-- DRG --....
;>P

143 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:43:43am

#134 mitthrawnurdo

wondering if Hollywood is going to make a film about the Soviet Gulag or the Chinese political prisoner camps.

Doubtful. The only way I could see one being made would be if it focused on the "forbidden" relationship between a gay guard and prisoner.

They are working on a Che Guevarra bio-pic as well. From the looks of it, they seem to be glossing over the whole "Psycho mass murderer" aspect of his personality.

144 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:44:07am

#68 flipflop - Yup I'm a lawyer - if you want to e-mail me your questions I'll let you know if I can help answer them.

145 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:44:08am

#118 Killgore

I was going to take issue with the fact that the article seems to only cite the negative things said about Islam

descended into chaos, with one speaker calling Islam an "evil religion"

and skipping things such as the poster shown on rayra's site calling the College Republicans the KKK and all the versions of posters that called supporters of free speech haters.

But then I thought technically the writer is correct.

I'll bet CHAOS (or even disorder) didn't descend when the Free Speech side was insulted. Just when Islam was.

146 Boot Hill  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:44:42am

55 Grand Junctionite

they try to make it look like our resident A-Hole Fred Phelps (the leader of the group picketing soldiers funerals) may have had something to do with this.

I don't think so. Fred may be a major a-hole, but he isn't stupid. His clan always stay within the law no matter how offensive they are.

147 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:47:34am

realwest @133
brenda said @ 56 that they also use ITIN's Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

148 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:48:25am

#141 rayra

That article gives a false impression of raucousness.

Somehow, I suspected that.

Which is why I put disorder after chaos in my #145.

149 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:48:55am

For a good article on Sgt Hester who became the first women to receive the Silver Star since WWII go here Women Silver Star Winner
When they did the interview with her on Fox this morning they showed the video they captured from the insurgents who were filming the ambush.

150 Lorraine  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:49:17am

Regarding the ports deal - Sec of Treasury Snow has a serious conflict of interest but continues to push the deal as best for the country. See linked article that mentions his former job as CEO of CXS Corp when DP World had formerly acquired CSX.

And now R. Dole has picked up a contract to PR for Dubai.

[Link: logisticstoday.com...]

151 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:49:51am

#99 rayra
Nice work! I like the empty seat they left for CAIR. Looks like they had three of the mohammad cartoons. The turban/bomb one looks modified in some way. Is it just a camera effect?

152 flipflop  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:50:12am

#144 realwest

It's on the way...thanks!

153 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:51:26am

#136 Keepandbear

originally to be name Pubert but it got PCed

Wasn't the new baby born in Addam's Family Values named Pubert?

154 BIG  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:51:34am

#137 Baldy 3/1/2006 10:41AM PST
I find the Anna Nicole Smith trip to SCOTUS amusing. I also think she's beautiful (at times). Then again, if I were a Cowboy...

I think Anna Nicole went to the Supreme Court to do some future hubby shopping...

155 jakewashere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:51:53am

#143 Kragar

They've already done that. It's called THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES.

And my guess for the Wachowski/McTeigue version of V FOR VENDETTA is that they've adapted the original satire on Thatcherite England (it was written in 1983) to a satire on Bush's America. Among the differences is that the totalitarian government that took over in the book was a white-supremacy coalition, as opposed to the religious fundamentalists of the film. This isn't the only change from the book, but it's a representative example; there are so many changes that V's original creator, Alan Moore, asked to have his name taken out of the credits.

156 Baldy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:52:22am

UAE: More Mohammed Madness - Dist. Pulls "Mad" Magazine Over Cartoon of Mohammad's Face on a PANCAKE

...But other readers said the comic was famous for satirising everything controversial. Usman Al Shaikh Hassan, manager of Dar Al Hikma, which distributed 120 copies, said the country's censors approved the magazine. While Hassan said he did not believe the images were intended to offend Muslims, he would try to withdraw remaining copies from the market. Hassan said sensitivities were running high because of the Danish cartoon controversy and feared people were misunderstanding the magazine's satire....
157 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:53:38am

#99 rayra - just went there for a quick look -see and added it to my fav's!
I'm having too much fun rushing around with my spanking new broadband (after 8 years of dial-up) to really read it, but will later when you get more
up on it.
Oh and congratulations for forming Rayra.Net!

158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:54:16am

OK, this belongs on the earlier thread, but it might get missed there:

Israeli Missile Strike Kills Islamic Jihad's Gaza Strip Leader

March 1 (Bloomberg) -- The leader of Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip was killed today by an Israeli missile fired from a military drone, a Palestinian doctor said.

Nice to see the press following the Pali media rules.

159 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:55:34am

71 newsjunkie
That fact that illegals can legally obtain driver licenses is an outrage as well.

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:55:46am

#145 Silhouette
Thanks for directing me to Rayra's post, I didn't see that one.

#99 rayra
Nice work.

161 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:57:13am

#158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
That good news already has its own thread. I love the way they say it was a missile strike when Israel denied it.

162 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:57:14am

#124 Buckeye Abroad

The anonymous phone calls to the grieved families happens more often than people realise.

The enemy within. I think we all have a pretty good idea as to the origin of these calls.

163 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:57:25am

131 flip flop

anytime.... :D

164 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:57:40am

#155 jakewashere

"Motorcycle diaries" was his early life. This new one is supposed to be about his life "fighting for the people".

Guerrilla

An epic about Argentine revolutionary Che Guevara, who fought for the people.

To translate Hollyweird-speak; its a slob job.

165 Pierre_Legrand[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:58:04am
166 Jimbouie  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:58:24am
#62 Jimbouie aawww! Well you should certainly post more often! /flattery will get you everywhere :D

I'll remember that!

167 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:58:34am

153 Semper Gumbi

Wasn't the new baby born in Addam's Family Values named Pubert?


yes that is correct. But by then bare a$$es were showing on Mainstream TV so it was acceptable to have pubert name in a PG movie

168 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:58:44am
169 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:58:52am

155 jakewashere
What bothers me about that is that Natalie Portman (born in Jerusalem Israel in 1981) should know better who the enemy really is.

170 pat  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 8:59:49am

Third Infatada declared:
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

171 SevoGuy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:00:02am

I'm reading the bio of this guy: Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson.

He sounds like the kind of leaders we need today in America to fight the cancer of islam.

Where are todays leaders? So few. Guiliani better run in 2008 and Condi Rice as his running mate.

172 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:00:06am

#161 Joel

I love the way they say it was a missile strike when Israel denied it.

I know. That was my point. The entire thing, other than one line, completely supports the Palis side of the story.

173 Fed Up Patriot  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:00:14am

I'm giving up hard liquor for Lent, only Beer and Wine for me. I think I'm going to cry!

No Shots, no mixed drinks, no MARGARITAS! I will save some money though.

Half a day down, 39.5 more to go!

174 Boot Hill  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:00:15am

Rayra, I think this is the wizard behind the curtain....the muslims want us to believe that this is such a terrible thing, without letting us actually seeing what the fuss is all about.

Once the people see what the fuss is about, they will disgusted at all the outrage by the muslims.

175 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:00:34am

#99 rayra

Thank you for documenting what happened at last night's UC Cartoon event on your rayra.net. Hope Charles updates the event with your info & pictures.

Thanks to College Republicans for helping make this happen at UC. That takes courage by civilian young people, like that of our young people fighting abroad.

176 israellycool  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:01:07am
177 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:01:39am

From NRO:

Who are the moderate Muslims, and why do they not speak up?" After being asked this question over and over again, we decided to propose the following


A Muslim Manifesto

Sorry for the drive by, I'm back to work now

178 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:01:42am
179 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:01:59am

#150 Lorraine

Sec of Treasury Snow has a serious conflict of interest but continues to push the deal as best for the country. See linked article that mentions his former job as CEO of CXS Corp when DP World had formerly acquired CSX.

No conflict of interest. Secretary Snow was confirmed in 2003. He would have had to divest all interest in CSX. DP World didn't buy out CSX's international division until 2004.

This is just like claiminmg Haliburton gets special treatment because the VP used to be the head of Haliburton.

180 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:02:02am

#157 Realwest

I'm having too much fun rushing around with my spanking new broadband

It's da bomb, ain't it? Sort of like the difference between a moped and a Harley. ;) Enjoy!

181 Baldy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:02:52am

Saudi Arabia - Diversity Fair with SCARRRY CREEEPY LADY RUG Merchant Photo

In the Qassim village, a particularly surreal spectacle stood out as a woman completely veiled in the Bedouin burqa sat on a floor covered with hand-woven carpets. Next to her was a loom containing an unfinished woven carpet. “Sing for us, Umm Shugaa,” said one woman. “We hear that you know the old songs. Please sing for us,” said another. Then the old woman began singing and several women started clapping in syncopated Bedouin rhythms that left visitors clapping clumsily along.

I STRONGLY suggest your click this link. It will freak you out. Even the Arab News thought it bizarre...

182 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:03:31am

#169 Joel

Yeah, that struck me too. However, I knew from 2004 that she turned into a moonbat (or was one all thie time) when I saw her hacking for Kerry.

All the comments I've heard about her are basically that "she's hot". That she may be, but as the great philospher Obi Wan said, "Your eyes can deceive you - don't trust them." I apply this philosophy a lot when it comes to women...

183 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:04:02am
184 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:05:06am

Cartman,

A Harley? Darn things are so slow, they can't even get out of their own way.

Try a nice Beemer bike. Or a Ducati.

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:05:13am

158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I wouldn't want to miss a fresh Car Swarm

186 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:05:15am

#162 Cartman

I think we all have a pretty good idea as to the origin of these calls.

Yup. They vandalized the family's house as well, so the community should just keep its ears open when these punks start bragging about it.

Then knee cap them. In both knees.

187 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:06:18am

Did you all already discuss "Valley of the Wolves" the Turkish blockbuster movie portraying US/Israel as evil that's got moviegoing Turks in Germany cheering against Big Satan and Little Satan (you know, us)? Front page article in today's [Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

188 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:06:24am

139 RedHeadedMenace

I think the tide has changed ever so slightly in MA. But that could change in a heartbeat.

In recent months there have been several serious car accidents caused by illegal aliens which have been widely publicized. In one instance, a woman who was gardening in her front yard was mowed down and killed, in another a police officer on a traffic detail was struck and seriously injured and the most recent involved a pedestrian being struck and killed in my town.

In all instances the driver of the car was here illegally from Brazil - in fact, the last one I listed used to work at the Dunkin Donuts I stop at most mornings. How he got a job without a social security number is a good question.

People here seem to be fed up.

189 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:07:12am
A Harley? Darn things are so slow, they can't even get out of their own way.

Uh oh. Cato the Elder has thrown down the gauntlet. Prepare for heavy seas. :)

190 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:07:34am
191 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:08:02am

#182 mitthrawnurdo
She may be "hot" but anyone (particularly a Jew who was born in Israel) who thinks that the US government (or British) is the enemy and not the Islamofascists is a moonbat. Yes I remember her in a Kerry T-Shirt.

192 jakewashere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:08:14am

#169 Joel

She seems to have unknowingly fallen into the Chomsky pattern of blaming one's own race for problems externally instigated. Why, why, WHY do Jews do that to themselves?

193 toddhisattva  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:08:31am

#68 flipflop

Any lawyers on the thread? I have questions about the legality of aerial photography.

I was a lawyer's roommate. But more to the point, one of my friends is a helicopter pilot.

Before you start your grow, take a ride in a helicopter. Yes it is legal for people to hover inches above your property. Including LEOs. You will learn that growing outdoors is foolhardy.

And indoors too: if these folks can get popped, anybody can.

You might want to consider transitioning to legal crops, like phalaris and divinorum.

194 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:08:57am

AssPress photos;

Dozens of Muslim students and supporters protested at the University of California, Irvine, against plans by organizers of a panel discussion on Islamic extremism to show controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad first published in Danish newspaper.

The protest began when about 200 Muslim students, many wearing green armbands, placed mats on the barricaded street and said a prayer.

No dogs were injured in the offering of this prayer.

Here's the mess of Ass Press photos.

195 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:10:25am

#177 Jim in Virginia
Nice find.

196 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:11:17am

189 Semper Gumbi

Hah!

I had a friend that used to ride a Kawaski of about 750cc or so IIRC. He said that he could out run the Harleys of the day for about 5 miles. then he'd better find an exit because the Harleys had a lot more top end.

/either that or the Harley riders were braver than he was but I don't really believe tha cause my friend was a freaking nutcase.

197 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:11:24am

#147 redstateredneck - read the whole link, even the IRS PDF files and it clearly can only be obtained by legal aliens so I sitll don't get it except maybe for the sales tax).

198 wild olive  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:11:46am

Hello Lizardoids,

I saw a picture in yesterday's paper of some "Palestinian youths" (i.e., Arab youths) throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers.

The rocks they were throwing looked more like small concrete bricks, or tiles. They had a rectangular shape. They weren't rocks that you would just stoop down and find on the ground. They were more like building materials.

Does anyone know where the "Palestinian youths" get these "rocks" that they throw all the time? Can anyone help me out?

Wild Olive

199 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:11:48am

Looks like questions about the OU Suicide Bomber aren't going away. There's some new information out, but the $64,000 question still can't be answered with any certainty - namely what was he doing, what was his intent, and where did he intend to blow up that bomb?

200 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:12:00am

Joel

IIRC Natalie Portman had a rep as being a haughty little b*tch while at Harvard. She was ragged on regularly in the Herald's Inside Track.

201 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:12:05am

Natalie Portman should know better. But I should know better than to put any trust in Hollywood when looking for smarts. I'd boycott her films, but I boycott all films.

202 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:12:21am

#194 Terp Mole

"AssPress"..lol, I like it. Although when I first saw it, I thought was an exercise.

203 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:12:43am

#183 rayra

Gotta post & run.

Thanks!

Your effort was well worth it, and is much appreciated...makes me feel like I've been able to penetrate the PC shield of the MSM.

Thanks again!

204 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:13:30am

#184 Cato:

I'll take a Harley over a crotch-rocket donorcycle any day. After all, nothing compares to a Harley for accomplishing the primary purpose of any motorcycle.

205 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:13:40am

Time to WDTSBFMAD

Hope I don't get hit by an illegal...)

206 RedHeadedMenace  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:14:23am

188 loppyd

I think the tide has changed ever so slightly in MA. But that could change in a heartbeat.

The ONLY thing that's given me any hope of late is the pending extradition of Armando Garcia. After four years that rat b*stard is going to go on trial for shooting an LA County Sheriff.

Unfortunately, that's coming from the federal level, not the state.

Harking back to previous posts, here in San Diego county, those that live in the outlying areas are constantly bombarded by "immigrating" illegals. So far, they're not totally hampered by the lack of ability to defend their property - although that could be next.

207 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:15:02am

#201 Beagle

Yeah, and her "acting" skills are vastly overrated. The only movie I liked her in was Episode III, but that's only because Anakin/Darth Vader choked her *oops, spoiler alert..hehehe*.

208 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:15:04am

#68 flipflop

I have questions about the legality of aerial photography.


It's legal.

209 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:15:22am

Breaking: Jordan says foils al Qaeda suicide bombing plot

Jordanian intelligence foiled an al Qaeda plot to mount a suicide attack against a key civilian target using 4 kg (9 lb) of explosives, state television said on Wednesday.

"The intelligence department have foiled a terrorist plot of a group belonging to the al Qaeda network, of Iraqi, Libyan and Saudi nationals, to execute by a suicide bombing an operation targeting a critical civilian installation," state television said.

The authorities did not name the installation that was targeted.

210 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:16:23am

#184 Cato the Elder 3/1/2006 11:05AM PST

A FATWAD OF HD REAR TIRE TREAD UPON YOU

HD-ACKBAR !***-O)):~{>
-- DRG --....
;>P

211 BIG  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:16:58am

#193 toddhisattva 3/1/2006 11:08AM PST

Way too much information.

212 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:18:05am

204 Jheka

I'll take a Harley over a crotch-rocket donorcycle any day

ROFL!

Now I'm going. Took me all this time to layer up for the artic blast.

213 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:19:56am

#186 Buckeye Abroad - Hi buddy - did you get the e-mail I sent last night?

214 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:20:23am

#139 redhead

If they had their way, illegals would have driver's licenses

On a bright note, Tennessee seems to have suspended its program that issued driving certificates to immigrants who could not prove they were here legally.

Nicely says the program was good "in theory," but there have been issues with how it was implemented.
215 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:20:30am
216 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:21:33am

Lunch Time! That can only mean I get to join in at LGF!

217 Lizard By The Bay  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:22:36am

#158 Kragar

The leader of Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip was killed today by an Israeli missile fired from a military drone, a Palestinian doctor said.

Never mind that the Israeli military denies it, A Palestinian doctor said it, so it must be true. I wonder if he was a "pediatrician" like the last leader of Hamas. (Apparently, treating children's illnesses while preparing them to blow themselves up is not a contradiction or conflict of purposes in the Islamic world.)

218 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:23:42am

Ok, it's an open thread, so I'm gonna vent. Sorry.

My next-door neighbor is dying of cancer. He's a real peach of a guy. He wants to stay in his own home as long as he can. His kids are doing everything possible to respect his wishes. Hospice is involved, and he seems to be relatively comfortable, and working out his own way into the great beyond. I check on him every day, and he seems at peace.

OK...the neighbors to the other side of his house are flaky, to be kind. They both work, and their 20-something daughter lives at home. This punk has a habit of blasting hip-hop in the middle of the afternoon, when the 'rents are away. It's the dead of winter here, and I can freakin' hear (feel) it plain as day two doors down. I ask my neighbor if it bothers him. He just says "nah, it's OK...I guess". Bullshit. I'm sure he rests or sleeps a lot, trying to preserve what strength he has left.

The cops have been called, and there's just the "please turn it down, young lady" thing. She does, but then cranks it up the next day. Whadda ya do? I want to fly over there and (non-violently) teach this pissant some manners, but as we all know that could have some major legal implications for me.

Any suggestions?

/end of rant

219 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:24:41am

CNN spins UCIrvine protest;

Mohammed cartoons inflame U.S. campus

No, it only "inflamed" a visiting Islamo-fascist mob on campus.

Campus remained (amazingly) flame free.

220 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:26:28am

Everything in privacy law is determined by "reasonable expectation of privacy." The courts have ruled you have no expectation of privacy from aircraft, which makes sense.

Leading case is (not surprisingly) FLORIDA v. Riley

JUSTICE WHITE, joined by THE CHIEF JUSTICE, JUSTICE SCALIA, and JUSTICE KENNEDY, concluded that the Fourth Amendment does not require the police traveling in the public airways at an altitude of 400 feet to obtain a warrant in order to observe what is visible to the naked eye. California v. Ciraolo, 476 U.S. 207 - which held that a naked-eye police inspection of the backyard of a house from a fixed-wing aircraft at 1,000 feet was not a "search" - is controlling. Thus, respondent could not reasonably have expected that the contents of his greenhouse were protected from public or official inspection from the air, since he left the greenhouse's sides and roof partially open. The fact that the inspection was made from a helicopter is irrelevant, since, as in the case of fixed-wing planes, private and commercial flight by helicopter is routine.


...and so on, and so forth, yadda, yadda.

221 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:26:49am

#168 rayra

All the muslimas are to the right of the orange cones


Orange cones......mmmmm, they respect orange cones. Gives me ideas. Couldn't be that easy though.

222 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:27:18am

#215 rayra

So now the AP does Fake but Accurate math--300 or 400 moslems can be "represented" by the less threatening number 12.

223 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:27:24am

Cartman-

Does the city you live in have a noise ordinance? Are there problems for the home owners if the police are called to that location too much? Because I would talk to the parents. Tell them to keep their daughter's noise down or you'll continue to call the cops until this is resolved.

That, or buy her head phones.

224 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:28:24am

#184 Cato

Try a nice Beemer bike. Or a Ducati.

The difference between dial-up and broadband are not that pronounced. ;)

225 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:29:14am

But if I was trying to beat a search from the air, I'd sieze on this dicta:

As far as this record reveals, no intimate details connected with the use of the home or curtilage were observed, and there was no undue noise, and no wind, dust, or threat of injury. In these circumstances, there was no violation of the Fourth Amendment.


So it's POSSIBLE a search from the air could be contested successfully.

226 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:30:08am

#181 Baldy

From your link:

Nevertheless, women and children had a blast at Janadriya yesterday. This Arab News reporter attended the festival in the eastern Riyadh suburb and immediately got lost among a crowd of women and children who explored the nine showcase villages representing distinct cultural regions of the Kingdom.

Splodeydope demonstrations?

227 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:30:22am

Anti-Bush Democrat "Journalist" from the NY Times, Elisabeth Bumiller to write bio of Condi.

Lemme guess- to be released just before the 11/08 pres election (if she runs?)

228 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:30:23am

#219 Terp

It does seem odd to use 'inflame' to mean merely exciting emotions when the cartoons did literally inflame places all across Dar El Islam. Or more correctly, angry Muslims set things on fire.

229 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:32:05am

#198 Wild Olive

Most tiling in Israel is square, marble actually.

230 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:32:36am

When lefties argue that so and so can't work together because they are so ideologically different, I always refer them to Hitler and Stalin.

They got along great until 6/22/1941!

Extremists have no problem working together: the IRA and the PLO
Mugabe and Iran

There is a story that a very great young Rabbi met another Rabbi, I think in Paris, when the old Rabbi met the young one, he took his gloves off. Holy knows holy; and murdering scum know murdering scum.

231 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:35:32am

#218 Cartman

I think the best thing to do would be to call the editor, or the reporter of your local newspaper who writes the lifestyle, or family or health beat, or even on social issues.

Write up a very brief summary of the situation with a header that says 'Paliative Care Patient Can't Find Peace Even In His Last Days'. Put yourself as the contact person. Believe me-when the parents of that idjit start to get media calls, the music will be shut off. Send a copy to the local chapter of the cancer awareness or support society.

That will fix 'em!

232 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:35:58am

Hey, Harley fans: I worked in a Harley shop in Darlington, Maryland, for a while. They're great bikes, and nothing beats them for customizability.

But out of the box, they're slow. You have to spend an extra five grand or so on top of the already inflated price to get them to breathe right.

For speed and handling right off the lot, nothing beats a Beemer if you want a big bike.

R1100RT Ackbar!

233 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:36:23am
In all instances the driver of the car was here illegally from Brazil - in fact, the last one I listed used to work at the Dunkin Donuts I stop at most mornings.

Fight illegal immigration - eat at home. Restaurants are the major offenders, so why give them your business?

234 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:36:29am

#197 realwest

#147 redstateredneck - read the whole link, even the IRS PDF files and it clearly can only be obtained by legal aliens so I sitll don't get it except maybe for the sales tax).


Beats me, then.
I remember years ago when I worked as a waitress, we had a dishwasher (illegal) who was using someone else's social security number, so technically, he was paying taxes as he had withholding taken out of his check.

235 zygazint  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:37:09am

#218

Tell her the truth. Just because she's 20 and blasting her tunes during the day - doesn't mean she won't be sympathetic to your shared neighbor and his situation. If you handle it properly you'll probably be surprised at her response. If she's a good person she will be more than happy to put the head phones on!

/from one who has many 20 something friends with a propensity for blasting tuneage.

236 brenda  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:37:57am

#206 red headed

You are right about self-defense being the next thing to go. Fox News reported a little while ago that a bunch of Mexicans are suing Roger Barnett for protecting his own property.

Roger has a 22,000-acre ranch near Douglas AZ and keeps close track on who is trespassing there. He has been known to sit 'em down until the Border Patrol shows up.

Now the Mexican government is going after him because he is well known and won't take any crap from them.

237 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:38:00am

Haven't read the whole thread but if you are interested:
12 candidates to challenge Nagin
If that link hasn't already been posted. I thought I would share. I know I will be watching this race, I love New Orleans. Well, it's the French Quarter I truly enjoy.

238 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:38:09am
239 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:38:45am

200 loppyd
Maybe the price of accepatance in Hollywood is changing forma smart person to a stupid person. See Jodie Foster.

240 Straight8  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:38:49am

#222 alegrias
They pad anti bush protest numbers and Cindy Sheehan's book-signing numbers,too so they have this "fuzzy math" down pat.

241 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:39:00am
242 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:39:06am

#218 Cartman

I would continue calling the police. If it is disturbing you in your house, it has to be breaking some noise ordinances.

243 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:39:23am

al Qaeda's back in the Sudan game.

Sudan came up in regards of al Qaeda quite a few times over the years - it was where OBL called home and the US refused to bring him in during the Clinton years. The raid on the drug factory.

More recently, Sudan has been home to the genocide in Darfur, where Muslim militias (janjaweed) have been slaughtering animists and Christians as part of a much longer Sudanese civil war. The Sudanese government refuses to stop the violence. They get China and Russia to cover for them.

Secretary-General Annan's envoy to Sudan, Jan Pronk, warned yesterday that Al Qaeda terrorists are already entrenched in Khartoum, and that if the current force composed of African Union troops in Darfur is replaced too quickly with a more robust force under the U.N. banner, Al Qaeda could "retaliate" against it.

President Bush has suggested NATO could get involved to protect victims of genocide in Sudan. Earlier this month the Security Council backed in principle an American proposal to create a U.N. force capable of halting the atrocities against villagers in Darfur. Estimated at more than 20,000 troops, this force will replace the current 7,000-troop contingency that was sent to Sudan by the African Union.

This is a bad situation in a failed state that is only going to get worse.

And terrorists love nothing more than failed states to set up shop or dictatorships that provide sanctuary. Sudan is both.

244 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:40:09am

218 Cartman

Any suggestions?

There may be a bylaw in your town about it. You could check with City or Town Hall...file a formal complaint.

245 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:40:10am
Silhouette @ #228: It does seem odd to use 'inflame' to mean merely exciting emotions when the cartoons did literally inflame places all across Dar El Islam

Odd, unless CNN merely indulges their usual wishful thinking.

246 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:40:12am

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHH

Okay I Feel a little better.

/Why do I like smacking my head agianst the wall so much?

/ don't answer that it was a rhetorical question

247 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:40:26am
#227 TMF 3/1/2006 11:30AM PST

Anti-Bush Democrat "Journalist" from the NY Times, Elisabeth Bumiller to write bio of Condi.

Lemme guess- to be released just before the 11/08 pres election (if she runs?)

I think anyone who wants to read a bio of Condi will run fast from anything by a NYTimes reporter.

What do they plan to call this hitpiece?

I can see it:

Neo-Condi: How the Most Accomplished Black Woman in History Isn't Really Black

248 wild olive  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:41:09am

#229 WriterMom

Do they vandalize in order to get these tiles, or are they just lying on the ground somewhere?

249 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:41:43am

#238 Jheka

And as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony.

250 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:41:45am

Bad Penny, why eat in restaurants?

Er, maybe because cooking for one is both depressing and fattening?

251 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:41:54am

Jheka-

Impeachement of Chimpy and Cheney. President Pelosi. Massive UN support in Iraq once Chimpy is out of the picture.

Delusional isn't a strong enough word...

252 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:42:09am

239 Joel

Maybe the price of accepatance in Hollywood is changing forma smart person to a stupid person. See Jodie Foster.

With a scant few exceptions they are all stuck on stupid in Hollyweird.

I met Jodie Foster when I was in college. She was very nice, but then again we didn't talk politics.

253 BIG  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:42:12am

#230 Ayatollah Ghilmeini 3/1/2006 11:32AM PST

I'd like to append Chavez & Sheehan to your examples.

254 SaneInMN  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:42:26am

For all of you Port-Gaters, let me direct your attention to a real national security threat...Russ Feingold.

As we speak, he is attempting fillibuster the Patriot Act. The hypocrite is actually reading the constitution on the Senate floor. This must be the first time he has bothered to study the document, considering his abysmal track record on defending the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

If Senator Frist could ever find his family jewels, he could use Port-Gate to the Republicans advantage. Think about it. The Democrats are desperately working on improving their image regarding national security and have seized on upon the Ports issue as a means to gain some momentum. How could a Democrat, who so vocally has called out the Administration on Port security, vote against real immigration reform (not the crap that will hopefully be defeated tomorrow)? The Patriot Act? A referendum on Iran?

255 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:43:48am

Good afternoon everyone.

Wow. Rayra.

Don't know if this has been posted but here goes.

While Canadians are committed to welcoming diverse immigrants from around the world, newcomers must understand that they are expected to accept core Canadian values, the report says.

The paper proposes that those who apply to immigrate to Canada should be told "what is expected of them and that, if they fail to live up to our expectations, they will be removed from Canada."

Make immigrants take oath of loyalty

Now, I'm no schoolmarm by any stretch of the imagination and have propably forgotten most of my grammar, but I counted 7 "shoulds" in this article. "Should" is passive voice, is it not?

And I've noticed many more in countless other publications.

I just bugs me. I want action - not passivity.

/snark
//apologies to schoolmarms

256 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:43:57am

{loppyd} {Joel}

I've missed you guys!

Joel- the last I heard Daunte wanted to stay, but the Dolphins and another team were interested...

257 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:44:46am

#235 zyg

If she's a good person she will be more than happy to put the head phones on!

The entire family knows that their neighbor is ill. I guess I'm sounding like an "old fart" here, and lord knows that's not "hip". I'll let it go. I just don't understand how "youthful exuberance" excuses common courtesy and decency. Oh, well...

258 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:45:09am

Cato the Elder
My hubby's got one of these ordered.
:-)
Used to have an R1100ST; sold it and rode Harley Ultra Classics for a while; back to the Beemer now.

The Harley's were better two-up bikes, but we don't get to go on many long trips together, so...

259 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:45:36am

Sane-

For all of you Port-Gaters, let me direct your attention to a real national security threat...Russ Feingold.

ROTFLMAO! I'd add Rockefeller to the list, too.

260 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:45:43am

254 SaneInMN

As we speak, he is attempting fillibuster the Patriot Act. The hypocrite is actually reading the constitution on the Senate floor.

He's the darling of the Moonbats these days.

261 Straight8  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:45:46am

#232 Cato the Elder
The second bike I ever dumped was a beemer.(D0 Not try to cut donuts with one of those, road rash ensues) The first was a BSA with a broken spark retarding cable. You could get an uplifting kick from that beauty!

262 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:47:14am

257 Cartman

I guess I'm sounding like an "old fart" here, and lord knows that's not "hip".

Not at all. You are sounding like a decent, caring and compassionate neighbor.

I'm in my thirties and it pissed me off!

263 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:47:40am

#231 WriterMom

An excellent suggestion. Thanks much!

264 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:48:03am

{Dubs}

I'm going to email you a picture of the Holy Smokes kid in a few. You will DIE! :)

265 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:48:12am
266 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:48:17am
267 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:48:18am

#241 redstate

provided an ID vehicle that advocates hope will be used to "regularize" illegal aliens; and

That meshes well with this comment from an immigrant upset at Tennessee for insisting on proof of legal status before issuing drivers license.

"It's very important for the department to open doors for every immigrant because they want to work. They have to drive to work. Every immigrant wants to stay here legally."

In other words, it is important the department provide this service for them to aid them toward legality.

268 svjathi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:49:50am

#26 Just_A_Grunt 3/1/2006 09:38AM PST
"#22 Jamie
BDS comes to India. It just never ends.
Time to close down all those call centers/help desks we outsourced."

It might just surprise you that India and Israel were the only countries in a recent poll where more than 60% felt that the USA was a true friend. Not even Kuwait or Afghanistan (the Bangladeshes of USA) were in that category.

269 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:50:20am

259 W-Lover

I'd add Rockefeller to the list, too.

In one of my fantasies he gets frogmarched out of Congress for leaking the NSA surveillance story to the NYT.

(ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease)

270 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:50:26am

Cartman 218

The cops have been called, and there's just the "please turn it down, young lady" thing. She does, but then cranks it up the next day. Whadda ya do? I want to fly over there and (non-violently) teach this pissant some manners, but as we all know that could have some major legal implications for me.

Any suggestions?

You're city should have a noise ordinance...check on the web. If so, and asking her to her face to knock it off, and she does not. Call the cops each time. Many places will start fining a house for being called more than a couple of times for the same thing.

This is a pet peeve of mine. People are total assholes about their music nowdays. Especially in their cars. I can hear some car stereos now from 2 blocks away. I consider then all audio terrorists. Number one complaint now in cities is NOISE (read stereos).

Against the law to hear a stereo from a car in Calif from over 50 feet. Cops do not enforce it though. Won't until somebody goes beserk and shots somebody for playing 50 cent too loud.

Burbank Calif started enforcing it though a couple of years ago. First offense $250, second I think is $500, third offense you loose your car! Burbank is real quite now.

Just more of the slow drip, drip, drip, of degradation of society...nobody notices until it has become entrenched and extreme. It's all about personal freedom...you know!

271 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:51:07am

#254 SaneInMN

If Senator Frist could ever find his family jewels, he could use Port-Gate to the Republicans advantage.

If [fill in political hack] could ever [find jewels, use brain, quit stroking lobbyists, etc.] he could use [any issue] to the Republicans advantage.

Yeah, I'm underwhelmed by the Republican brain trust, which has no brains, and I don't trust.

272 loppyd  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:16am

TFK

You put your lock step in
You put your lock step out

You do the locky steppy
And you shake it all about...

273 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:25am

Jheka:

Al Gore & John Kerry, backed by troops loyal to the constitution..
Storm The White House, and drag Dead-Eye Dick & Maggot-Boy off to Gitmo.

Has anyone told them about the March 15 storming yet? I'd hate for their to be any confusion.

"OK, if you are an anarchist, please assemble to the right, behind the guy in the Rage against the Machine T-shirt. Liberals, please assemble to the left, naturally, behind the guy in the Che shirt. Members of the pots and pan drum corps cooperative in the midddle"

274 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:29am

And from the Austin Powers files - DARPA is working on neural implants with sharks to turn them into stealth spies.

Next thing we'll have frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams.

PETA could not be reached for comment - their collective brain exploded at the thought of sharks being used in this manner.

275 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:32am

Cato

maybe because cooking for one is both depressing and fattening?

Yeah, true dat. I wish there were some way to know which, if any, places are in compliance with the law. It just grates at me when I hand over money to a business I know is employing illegals.

Eating at home appeals to my inner skinflint, anyway, so I'm trying to do it more.

276 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:32am

75ºF (24ºC) in Martinsville, Virginia.

50ºF (10ºC) in Richmond.

Hmmm, a potent warm front lies between the short tracks, which is why Philadelphia may just rain, or may get close to an inch of tree limb snapping, powerline downing ice. (Or maybe split the difference, with DISASTER in Northern and Western suburbs and just a cold rain in the city.).

If NYC stays all snow, 20 cm. A little freezing rain, rain and sleet mixing in could cut down on that, but still an exciting drive home.

BOS may be just a tad too far North for serious fun.

277 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:52:39am

252 loppyd
Jodie Foster seems to have gone over to the dark side. And John Hinckley tried to kill President Reagan in order to impress her?

278 RedHeadedMenace  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:53:59am

#236 brenda

Pfft! I think I'm getting close to a keep-like outburst (but that would cause an adverse reation at work).

I can make the logic leap that allows one state to sue the individual of another, but usually that's when a crime's been committed!

I.don't.get.it.

So much my head hurts...

279 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:54:36am

loppy-

In my fantasies, all Democrats in Congress renounce their citizenship and move to Fwance.

(A girl can dream, can't she?)

280 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:54:46am

UCBerkeley's DailyCal condemns UCIrvine "unveiling" forum;

Don't play on emotions

Once again, sensationalism rules the college political scene. In the name of the First Amendment, the University of California-Irvine's College Republicans are hosting a "forum" today displaying the cartoons that caricatured Muhammad, who Muslims revere as their final messenger. Alongside these drawings, the group will present anti-Semitic and anti-Western cartoons published in Muslim countries. While they claim to provide an opportunity for discourse, their event offers nothing of the kind.

It's "sensationalism" for me... but not for thee.

/sniff

281 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:55:24am
282 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:55:33am

Redstateredneck, that's purrrttyyy! Is he getting the gray one?

I had the earlier model, R1100RT, in glacier green. Had to sell it a few years back.

But that pic has me going

slaver

slobber

drool!

283 svjathi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:58:57am

#81 Bad Penny 3/1/2006 10:08AM PST

Wow! Howdy neighbor! I am also in Concord

284 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:02am

Simpsons Rule, the Constitusion can drool

Only one in four Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment.

But more than half can name at least two members of the cartoon family, according to a survey.

WTF?! What do we give schools money for again?

285 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:07am

#244 loppyd
#270 jehu

And others. Thanks for the input. My initial research indicates that noise ordinance in my town focuses mainly on the "drive-by" variety. I would have thought (as was suggested) that multiple calls to the cops would have resolved the issue. I'm not sure what the unwritten rule is here as to "tollerance" regarding citizen complaints. I'll just have to pursue the good suggestions I have received so far. Thanks, all. Carry on!

286 Mike McDaniel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:11am

#126 Realwest:

You'd be surprised what colors you gan get with anodized aluminium. Hammerli is currently offering their SP-20 pistol in red, blue, gold, violet, or basic black.

287 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:14am

Hey USMC RECON if you're out there would you mind making a judgement on something I've written?

I don't want to get you into something you don't want a part of though.

288 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:15am

#276 Ed

BOS may be just a tad too far North for serious fun.


We're too uptight here for serious fun.

(make it warm up here Ed, will ya?)

289 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:25am

#255 Miss Trixie

Make immigrants take oath of loyalty

They do.

Three years ago a friend of mine, an immigrant from Mexico, asked me to attend her citizenship ceremony. To prepare for it she was required to learn Canadian civics & history (read a short book). This she did with great pride and enthusiasm. At the ceremony the judge spoke and told them to "leave old quarrels behind" and to embrace Canadian values. The new Canadian citizens then all took an oath of loyalty to Canada.

So the writer of that article ought to find out what is already in place before whinging on about "shoulds" and "musts"

290 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:27am

Well here'something to depress most lizadroids (though I doubt if you'll be shocked):

Study: Few Americans Know 1st Amendment
By ANNA JOHNSON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
March 01, 2006 11:32 AM EST
CHICAGO - Americans apparently know more about "The Simpsons" than they do about the First Amendment.

Only one in four Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment (freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly and petition for redress of grievances.) But more than half can name at least two members of the cartoon family, according to a survey.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

And thank you NEA, once again.

291 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 9:59:49am

Whazzup with Jodie Foster? She say somethin' stupid?

I always thought she was a closet conservative, even if she is a lesbo. Such creatures to exist...

292 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:00:09am

Cartman...you'd HATE my husband's new stereo system. It is SO freaking loud it shakes my CAR in the freaking driveway when he's got it turned up. I'm just glad most of my neighbors work during the day.


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293 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:01:06am

Cato-

I've got a long list of people I think are closet conservatives, but Jodie ain't on it.

294 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:02:06am

cato the elder

Redstateredneck, that's purrrttyyy! Is he getting the gray one?


Yep, the dark charcoal gray.
I will look so hot on the back of it.
;-)

295 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:02:33am

#268 svjathi

Thank you for pointing that out. I was wondering if there are any photos of Bush with friendly crowds you could send to Charles? I'm pretty sure the US media will only run angry mob pictures.

296 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:02:55am

#290 realwest-

I beat you by 6 posts! Great minds think alike, I guess.

That is the saddest f*cking story I've read all day.

297 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:03:01am

#227 TMF
#247 JammieWearingFool

I can see it:
Neo-Condi: How the Most Accomplished Black Woman in History Isn't Really Black


Worse yett they might use this as a cover.

298 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:03:05am

Thats the ironic part about the whole John Hinckley thing- he is spending the rest of his life in the nuthouse because he shot President Reagan to impress a woman who prefer's fish tacos to corndogs.

299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:03:25am

#265 taxfreekiller
Many people around here (myself included) have missed you,.,,
'Glad to have you back.

300 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:03:32am
301 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:04:11am

#256 {W-lover }
I've been ahving a flame war with someone onthe SF thread. My very first flamewar. Daunte will be playing another position before too long. Maybe he can reunite with Randy Moss in Oakland and become a tight end.

302 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:04:31am

It is a shame what the average person does not know. I'm considered an office oddity because I came name all Supreme Court Justices. People ask me to 'perform' it like a stupid human trick.

Gee whiz, folks. There are only nine!

303 brenda  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:04:40am

#278 redheaded

I spent a couple days at Roger's ranch summer before last, and I'm quite sure the Mexicans have bit off more than they can handle.

304 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:05:21am

#248 wild olive

I can't imagine it would be that difficult to 'liberate' tiles from a building site. But, then again-the Holy Land is full of rocks so it's not hard to find things to throw at cars and people either.

305 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:05:46am

302 Silhouette

Whats the Supreme Court?

Is that a new hiphop band?

306 3 wood  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:06:18am

Hey Jheka, I posted a question for you on another thread. Is the Jakester an alter-ego sock puppet of yours? Nobody can be that dumb, can he/she? I figured it was you doing a parody of a lamebrained moonbat.

307 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:06:19am

Whoops! PIMF in #255.

;p

308 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:07:49am

#306 3 wood:

I'm sorry to say that Jakester is not one of mine. That's iowahawk-level moonbat parody. I bow to whoever owns it.

If you take a look at that thread, you'll see that my whole contingent has posted there.

309 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:08:07am

#300 rayra

Best resource for that would be [Link: www.MEMRI.org,...]
they have a bunch of cartoons from Arab media

310 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:08:20am

#300 rayra

If you recognize the images, please link or email the originals to me for inclusion in my report.

The one on the far left, I think.

311 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:09:26am

Only dirt I can think anybody could dig up on Condi, other than non-dirt fact she once wa son the board at Chevron, is that she has apparently never been in a romantic relationship with a man, which suggests she might, possibly, have a same sex relationship in the past.


I think America could handle that if that is the worst they can dig up. And, they may never dig that up, because the Demonratic front runner has all kinds of rumors of that nature swirling around her.

312 mglazer  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:10:48am

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via [Link: www.killersite.com...]

313 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:10:55am

#218 Cartman 3/1/2006 11:23AM PST

If the neighbor’s loud stereo is such that in order to find peace you must leave your home...

/www.lighthousewoods.com/noisy_neighbors_loud_musi c.html" target="_blank"/a" target="_blank">Try Here:
most county noise ordinaces are time oriented which is not helpful during the day, if nothing strikes you fancy at the above site, buy black ninja suit, ice pick, lean how to crawl at night without being seen, locate offending neighbors vehicle and begin...
-- DRG --....
;>P

314 scoreboard44  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:11:08am

I'M HERE..MY DEAR...AND I AIN'T NO QUEER!

Anyone drinking BEER?

(He said with a sneer)

WHAT'S SHAKIN' DUDES!

315 Baldy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:11:16am

226 Ward Cleaver - I did notice the word "blast" also. Just as Ted "Where's My Pants?" Kennedy shouldn't talk about waterboarding, drinking & sexual harassment... It's an odd article. It's a "Diversity" Fair, and for most of it, only men can attend. Then the comment about the burka-clad rug merchant ("surreal spectacle") It's ALMOST as if the author realized how bizarre the Magic Kingdom is.

316 scoreboard44  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:12:12am

311 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I heard that she secretly is Lynn Swann.

317 grayp  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:12:23am

#311 Ed

she has apparently never been in a romantic relationship with a man,


She dated a football player whose name escapes me at the moment.

318 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:13:03am

#296 W-lover - So you did! I didn't see your post when I saw it on my news ticker. Just remember, I'm an older, I mean, mature person than you and therefore necessarily slower! LOL!

Yeah, it's an absolute frickin' disgrace. But that's what we get for putting up with PC schooling.

319 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:13:24am

313 corrected

Corrected Linky
-- DRG --....
;>P

320 Cartman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:13:57am

#292 megscole64

Not that it matters, but I appreciate your input here at LGF. You seem like a good soul!

Cartman...you'd HATE my husband's new stereo system. It is SO freaking loud it shakes my CAR in the freaking driveway when he's got it turned up. I'm just glad most of my neighbors work during the day.

I don't get it! I understand the thrill of ball-bustin', blood pumpin' music. Used to play in an R&R band, back in the day. Loss of hearing in both ears testify to my "sacrifice". ;) The thing with the mobile nuclear sound systems is just a little past my tollerance. I pull up next to a bang-mobile and the my initial reaction is "Hey! Here I am! Look at me! I said I'd let it go, and now I will. Promise! Just had a bug up my craw this afternoon. ;)

321 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:15:09am

#301 Joel - I asked you this on another thread but fear you'd left for a new thread - what broadband do you use? Roadrunner?

322 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:15:23am

realwest-

It's disgusting. And Glen Beck is talking about it too.

Joel-

Good Luck with your flame-age.

Everyone Else-

Have a great Afternoon, IHTGBTWN. {LGF}!

323 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:15:42am

svjathi

Hi neighbor!

324 scoreboard44  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:16:35am

#322 W-lover

toodles.

gotta go myself.

325 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:17:12am

And now, ladies and gentlemen, please join us for the latest Yale fighting football cheer:

Ramadan-a-ding-dong
Piddle-paddle-ping-pong
Fatwad!
Fatwad!
Go jee-HAHD!

This cheer brought to you by the Yale Taliban Freshmen Student association.

Go team, whack those Buddhas!

326 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:17:57am

Howdy sports fans!

327 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:20:00am

If you missed James Lileks Bleat the other day, this part in particular cracked me up (in regards to Hollywood/politics)

TiVo gave me “Air Force One,” which I saw but mostly forgot – what’s to remember, really? But it’s fun. “A roller coaster ride,” as they say. (What blurb will they use when someone sets a movie on a roller coaster?) It has Harrison Ford as the President, which seems natural; Gary Oldmam as a bad guy: ditto. Direction by Wolfgang Peterson, who’s good, and music by Jerry Goldsmith, who would later recycle a few cues for “Star Trek: Nemesis,” but that’s next week’s Diner. It was shot in 1997. It opens with a joint American / Russian spec-ops kidnapping of a head of state, who is one of those super-nationalist Russians we were all twitchy about in the late 90s; he is sent to a very bad and smelly prison. Cut to President Solo, giving a speech that puts forth a new American policy towards terrorists and terror-enabling states:
Peace isn't merely the absence of conflict, but the presence of justice. Never again will I allow our political self-interest to deter us from doing what we know to be morally right. Atrocity and terror are not political weapons. And to those who would use them, your day is over. We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate and we will no longer be afraid. It's your turn to be afraid.
He is also quite physically fit AND he can fly a plane. This was the sort of person Hollywood wanted for President in 1997. Then they get one, and they completely wigged out. Ah well.
328 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:20:31am

326 'Nam Grunt
You were sorely missed on the SF thread.

329 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:21:03am

#312 mglazer

Talk about overkill. Cavalry charges (wtf?) and black-clad ninjas to the horizon? It's like Elian Gonzalez x 10. Israel is its own worst enemy. What good will come from removing nine houses off a remote hill top?

330 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:21:22am

Kenneth

Thanks for pointing that out.

Bad Penny

inner skinflint

LOL!

Another really busy day with minimal postings, dagnabit.

There's always tomorrow, however.

Ciao!

{LGF}

331 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:21:40am

Good. Lord.

My fried Nestor the Old just sent me this:

People who shouldn't be allowed to have sex.

332 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:21:46am

#328 Joel,

Sorry buddy I was looking at a house, with an agent. ;-)

333 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:22:20am

327 Crimsonfisted
I saw taht film when it came out. Glenn CLose played the V.P. I remember Ford slugging a terrorist saying "get the hell off of my plance"!

334 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:22:54am

#332 'Nam Grunt
Good luck with the house hunting.

335 RedHeadedMenace  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:23:01am

#303 brenda

I spent a couple days at Roger's ranch summer before last, and I'm quite sure the Mexicans have bit off more than they can handle.

I certainly hope so, but some days (and maybe I just listen to too much John & Ken) it honestly seems like the situation is either already or getting out of hand.

Home Depot's "Guest Worker Lounges" my ass!

*spit*

336 bonz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:23:27am

Jose Luis Espinosa

Unlicensed, uninsured and undocumented, Espinosa came to Florida via California from Tabasco, Mexico, said his sister-in-law, Betty Espinosa.
The man accused of killing a police detective in a hit-and-run crash was charged Tuesday with drunken driving.
Jose Luis Espinosa's blood-alcohol level was 0.164 percent, sheriff's spokesman J.D. Callaway said. That is more than twice the 0.08 percent at which the state presumes a person to be intoxicated.
Detective Juan Serrano, 49, was killed Saturday afternoon when his city-issued car was struck by a vehicle that ran a red light at Interstate 75 and Gibsonton Road, police said.Serrano, a 17-year Tampa Police Department veteran, had just dropped off Mayor Pam Iorio at her home. Serrano had been Iorio's security official, driver and friend.
337 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:24:18am

#334 Joel,

Good luck with the house hunting.

Thanks, I'll need it.

338 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:25:01am

#320 Cartman 3/1/2006 12:13PM PST
#292 megscole64

Not that it matters, but I appreciate your input here at LGF. You seem like a good soul!

---

Thank you SO much and it DOES matter! :) I like to think I'm a good soul...though my liberal brother might disagree. LOL

My hubby says "I bring him down" because I won't let him blast the stereo. It's ridiculous. I can't even hear the words because the bass is vibrating my eardrums. Sheesh.

Though I do enjoy blasting a few country songs in the car speeding down the freeway! I rarely speed, but when Honky Tonk Bedonka Donk (is that how it's spelled?) comes on I'm flying! ROFL

339 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:25:05am

Beagle, whaddaya mean? You don't think dismantling those houses will buy peace with Hamas?

What are you, some kind of realist?

340 mglazer  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:25:48am

I think in the Western world there is a new disenfranchisement occuring on the conservative religious right wing from Israel to the USA

341 mglazer  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:27:21am

#329 Beagle ,

It will help those who hate Israel

The only good is that these and many more pro Israel religious jewish and non-jewish defenders are no longer interested in helping defend Israel so I guess that is good for the enemies of Israel

342 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:27:21am

#339 cato the elder
Destroying the houses just deprives Hamas of another Forward Observation Post from which to direct rockets into Israeli. It is a purely tactical move.

343 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:27:38am

grayp

She dated a football player whose name escapes me at the moment.


Gene Washington?

344 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:27:38am

#333 Joel
That was the kind of President they thought Clinton was I guess. I really enjoyed that movie. Ford's last good movie I think.

345 svjathi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:27:42am

#295 Kenneth 3/1/2006 12:02PM PST
"#268 svjathi
Thank you for pointing that out. I was wondering if there are any photos of Bush with friendly crowds you could send to Charles? I'm pretty sure the US media will only run angry mob pictures."

I doubt very much, that there will be any photos of Prez Bush with crowds. With the Iran vote and the cartoon controversy, I do not think either country wants a nasty situation to develop with the [bigoted word]s. After all 19% of the population of India is [bigoted word].
The communists and the [bigoted word]s are already out there demonstrating.Today morning they were showing crowds in excess of 100,000 in New Delhi. 99% of them were wearing skullcaps. Unless they were Jews from Israel, they have to be none other than Allah's followers.
I guess those crowds present a picture of BDS in India as some posters have alleged. I cannot but wonder aloud about how in their rush to show up India as anti-Bush and anti-USA, they tend to have the utopian feeling that the Moskies and the Commies who are against Bush and USA all over the world, would suddenly be waving flags of welcome, just because they are Indians!

346 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:29:21am

Sneaking back in to say {Nam}!

347 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:30:31am

344 crimsonfisted
Ford also seems to be a moonbat.

346 W-lover
see my earlier post back to you regarding Daunte.

348 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:30:43am

I'm sure most of you have seen this via Malkin, but they also posted it on NRO.

If you're looking for Moderate Muslims, here are a couple...

Moderate Muslims

349 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:32:29am

321 realwest
I use RCN broadband.

350 scaramouche  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:32:49am
351 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:33:04am

#302

It is a shame what the average person does not know. I'm considered an office oddity because I came name all Supreme Court Justices. People ask me to 'perform' it like a stupid human trick.


Reminds me of this movie:

TOM: Never to pretend to know more than I did.

AARON: Can you name all the members of the Cabinet?

TOM:(flustered)Okay, let's drop it. I didn't mean I'd take a test for you -- I mean if that came up in conversation I'd...

AARON: We're conversing...Oh my, the names of the entire Cabinet has slipped my mind. What are they?

Tom is getting pissed.

AARON:(compromising)Don't name them. Just tell me if you know.

TOM: Yes, Aaron. I know the names of the Cabinet.

AARON: Okay.

(A beat)

AARON: (cont'd) All twelve?

TOM: Yes.

AARON: There are only ten.

The movie “Broadcast News”

[Link: www.script-o-rama.com...]

352 Beagle  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:33:11am

#341 mglazer

That video only gets more disturbing the more I watch it. The police obviously weren't trying to move the settlers so much as beat them down, humiliate them, and cause injuries.

I don't pretend to understand what's going on over there, but as a general principle it seems like free people would rather fight each other than face our intractable enemies.

If the Israeli police did that to Palestinians, the video would be on the BBC 24-7 for a year.

353 bbcrackmonkey  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:34:32am

Check the google newswires:

Bosnia is suing Serbia for genocide reparations at the World Court

354 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:34:36am

megscole 64

"Shut my mouth, slap your grandma
There outta be a law
Get the Sheriff on the phone
Lord have mercy, how's she even get them britches on
That honky tonk badonkadonk"

Oh, hell, yeah!

355 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:35:35am

One gets so used to Hollywood today that old Hollywood can be like a culture shock.

I had some black and white film on this morning. The American hero is agreeing to marry a princess from another country, and he has to sign a pre-nup (in the 1940s!).

"You will agree to sign away any claim to the throne."
"Okay"
"You will agree to lose custody of your children if you divorce."
"Okay."
"You will agree to walk 8 ft behind your wife."
"Okay"
"You will agree to giving up your American citizenship"

"Hold on. No. I can't give that up. I still can get over how lucky I am to have it in the first place."

356 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:37:13am

#271 beagle

Yeah, I'm underwhelmed by the Republican brain trust, which has no brains, and I don't trust.

Be a good Beagle and give lots of credit to those College Republicans who had guts enough to help host last night's Univ. of California Cartoon event.

/As if you didn't know which party went to war to defend us when Dems let Al Qaeda attack us 8 years straight without US response...harrumph.

357 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:37:51am

#344 Joel
Yes he is, and that is so disappointing. Would that it weren't true.

358 mglazer  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:38:37am

#352 Beagle ,

Exactly right

What's really distrubing is that a free people Israeli citizens are supposed to be allowed to peacably and freely assemble and protest.

Clearly the Israeli govt do not care about these free rights

The brutal violent treatment givin to these young idealists will inevitably hurt the Jewish state as a whole since these younguns are the countries biggest supporters

They obviously dont want them around anymore I'm guessing they will leave and those who forced them out will suffer

Kinda like shooting yourself in the foot

359 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:39:08am

#354 redstateredneck 3/1/2006 12:34PM PST
megscole 64

"Shut my mouth, slap your grandma
There outta be a law
Get the Sheriff on the phone
Lord have mercy, how's she even get them britches on
That honky tonk badonkadonk"

Oh, hell, yeah!

-----

ROFL...oooeee ... It just makes me want to get up and dance!

The video looks like a rap video though. I find it hilarious.

360 mglazer  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:39:39am

The best thing the Repubs have going for them these days for Repubs is that the Dems would be worst

Wow what a ringing endorsement of the best the west has to offer us

361 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:40:12am

#286 Mike McDaniel - "Hammerli is currently offering their SP-20 pistol in red, blue, gold, violet, or basic black." Why? (I mean except for the black)? I'm serious - I've never thought of handguns as "accesories" for the well dressed woman (or man).Frankly, I'd be embarrassed as hell to carry a red, gold or violet handgun (an blue might be ok is it's so dark it's almost black)?

362 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:40:36am

Erekat opines in the NYT that Israel's to blame for the ongoing violence and that the Palestinians are largely restraining the violence. So what does the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade do? It kills one Israeli and seriously injures another in seperate incidents. Both men were shot at point blank range.

363 kayawanee  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:40:59am

#302 Silhouette

I'm considered an office oddity because I came name all Supreme Court Justices.

I can summarize each of the 27 U.S. Constitutional amendments. I'm sure that I'm an oddity. And not just because of that! =)

But as to this recent "study", I wouldn't be so quick to judge people on that. I'm sure that many of the people who were questioned probably knew that they have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the freedom to protest, (not sure how many know about petitions and free press) without actually knowing the number of the Amendment that gives them those rights. I think it's more important to get the gist than to quote the actual amendment number.

I'll give you an example. If you ask any person on the street if slavery is still constitutional in the U.S., I'll bet you 99.9% know that it isn't. But if you asked them which amendment outlawed it, I'll bet you that only a small percentage could tell you that it's the 13 Amendment.

Does it really matter that they don't remember the number if they know that slavery is illegal?

Here's another example. Ask a person to list the major points of the 6th Amendment. I'll bet you that very few actually could. But I'd also bet you that nearly all would know that if they get arrested, they have the right to a fair trial and a lawyer.

This type of study doesn't tell you if the "man on the street" really knows his rights. Rather it just tells you that many people don't remember which amendments go with which rights.

So really, this study is not as alarming and sensational as it might at first seem

364 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:41:38am
365 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:43:37am

ALERT ALERT ALERT!

Condoleezza Rice Shows Gym Routine on TV
From Associated Press
February 28, 2006 9:22 PM EST
WASHINGTON - Besides being the Bush administration's go-to official for working out diplomatic misunderstandings, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is also happy to let the world know she's working out at the gym.

Rice's exercise routine, including weights and a calorie-burning workout, will be featured in a three-day segment on Washington's NBC television affiliate, WRC, starting Wednesday morning.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

I'm wondering what she wears when she works out?!

;>)

366 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:43:58am

In 7th grade at St. Martin of Tours in Amityville, NY, in Sister John Maureen's government class, we were expected to meorize the order of presidential succession from Jimmy Carter through Mondale, the Speaker, PPT of the Senate, through the Cabinet positions, knowing also their names. The Cabinet goes in order of seniority, and, IIRC, that was Cyrus Vance.


Further, in 1982, I knew my chain of command, all the way from my company commander, through the Chief of Naval Training, Chief of Naval Operations, all the way to Ronald Reagan.

I forgot that now.


Lets see, no looking up on internet
Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Kennedy, Thomas


Satan's agent, Ginsburg, and her helpers, Souter, Breyer.

Hmmmm, I think I'm forgetting the old guy? Stevens?

BTW, by Satan's Agent for the former head ACLU attorney, I'm being only slightly less literal than, say, Jehu, would be.

367 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:46:23am

Sister John Maureen, OP, also required us to know all the Amendments to the Constitution. Amazing what one can learn (and then forget), when one doesn't waste class time putting condoms on vegetables.

OK, 1 through 5, and 13,14,15 are still fmailiar, and 18th and 21st, and, of course, the post Roosevelt 22nd.


But I mainly forget them.

368 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:47:50am

realwest

I'm wondering what she wears when she works out?!


Down boy, I think it said she was gonna be wearing sweats!

369 Joel  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:49:47am

365 realwest
I dont know if you saw my earlier post but I use RCN broadband,

370 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:50:10am

#363 kaywanee

Good point. But I reserve the right to be alarmed at this:

Nearly half revealed ignorance of both American government and the ideas of Karl Marx when they said that the following statement is part of the (US) Constitution: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

link

371 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:50:15am
372 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:50:34am

364 American Infidel

the participants have agreed on one key change: Worried that they will offend Muslims, they've replaced the word "jihadist" with "extremist."

Oh shit,
We don't want to offend anybody.
/Sorry,
Holy Manure Batman.
No offense to batman.

373 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:50:52am

#367 Ed mahmoud

You're forgetting what the good nuns taught you because your yammering on about Sec. Rice 'n' fishtacos v. corndogs.

374 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:51:05am
375 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:52:01am

370

I'm pretty sure the Democrats, as a whole, would prefer that Americans do believe that the From each according to his abilities... thing was in the Constitution.

376 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:52:33am

373 Mea Culpa

377 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:52:53am

#363 kayawanee - I understand and agree with your point about the 13th and 6th and probably most if not all of the other amendments, but not knowing that the First Amendment (which our forefathers thought more important than the 2-5th amendments) embodies all that is uniquely America and only one in four Americans can name more than one of those five freedoms is alarming, indeed. I certainly would have expected a greater response on Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press and Freedom of Worship.

378 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:54:04am

371 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

78 degrees here in North Carolina,
20 miles from the mountains.

Spring has jumped into summer.

379 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:55:24am

Hey Dubs, ;-)

380 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:55:35am

Okay, from now on, if I walk up to someone and they cannot tell me the amendment against slavery is the 13th Amendment, they have to come home with me and do my laundry.

/there's one for the cherry pickers. :-)

381 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:55:52am

#374 Just_A_Grunt - That's Condi in Work clothes! (great photo, though).

382 svjathi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:56:36am

For your reading pleasure: The most hated man in Pakistan!

[Link: ia.rediff.com...]

383 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:56:48am

#374 Just_A_Grunt 3/1/2006 12:51PM PST
Condi in workout clothes


Looks more like something Mick Jagger might wear at a concert!

384 kolumbo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:57:49am

April 22, 2006 - Washington, DC

Military Blog Conference

385 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:58:16am

This is interesting...we never did hear a final wrap of this guy at OU did we?

First Post over at M Malkin

386 svjathi  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:59:12am

B.Raman, one of India's leading terrorism analyst has a good article on Musharaff. Read on

[Link: ia.rediff.com...]

387 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 10:59:31am

#360 mglazer

I know you're making a joke, but to even jest that our current President, administration, and Republicans are the lesser of two evils is ignorant. Democrats spent 8 years feeding Al Qaeda, Arafat, Hussein, the UN, Oil for Food, Darfur's oppressors, political correctness, and starving and disrespecting our military.

More recently, consider the evidence against the Man Who Would Have Been President offered by the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. Consider the tactics behind CBS's fake-but-accurate memo. Consider the vulgarity of Michael Moore's mockumentary that got him a seat next to the Worst President Ever(TM), Dhjimmy Carter.

388 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:00:14am

#384 kolumbo,

Cool!

389 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:02:38am

Ed #366

BTW, by Satan's Agent for the former head ACLU attorney, I'm being only slightly less literal than, say, Jehu, would be.

Exactly right. I would have maybe called her Satan's buttboy...or would that be buttgirl?

Got to go with O'Reilly on ACLU. The most dangerous and anti-American organization extant, with huge funding and power and intimidating cities and schools and the general public square into stripping all mention of God from public life.

Even worse is their support of pedophiles.

390 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:03:35am

#383 eschew

Mick Jagger and the geriatric stones will be taking Communist Chinese money during their concert tour. I hear Chinese revere their elders. Take our elderly commie rockers, please.

391 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:04:20am

Okay I really don't like this but I just want to make sure I got my head on straight.

To all previous and current service people

Please give me your input on this statement.

The United States Armed Services DOES NOT NOR HAS IT EVER ADVOCATED KILLING CIVILIANS.
We will sacrifice our own Service People in order to prevent the killing of civilians


I don't want you involved in any over way. It's my fight my problem. Just tell me if I'm totally FITH on this or if this is a major part of any Rules of Engagement

392 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:04:31am

Yesterday it was pro gay marriage signs on the 'Church of the Presidents' (Adams & Adams), today it’s keeping the military away from “kids”.

Gotta love Massachusetts…..


MARSHFIELD - Military recruiters would no longer be allowed to set up inside the cafeteria when they visit the high school under a set of policies likely to be adopted for the next academic year.
‘‘We’re not anti-military at all,’’ Morrison said. ‘‘It’s just primarily helping kids make informed decisions with parental involvement. It’s a big decision. You can decide you don’t like college and drop out. You can’t drop out of the Army.’’

Marching orders: Another South Shore school moves to restrict recruiters
[Link: ledger.southofboston.com...]

393 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:04:58am
Within hours of Hinrichs death, the FBI's Joint Task Force on Terrorism took over the investigation of the incident. Soon thereafter, both FBI officials and University of Oklahoma President David Boren said Hinrichs had no known terrorist connections and intended only to kill himself.

385 megscole64

/Be careful,
We don't want to offend anybody.

394 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:05:09am

Proof that DUers live in an alternate universe:

If not for Reagan we would probably all be driving solar powered flying cars by now.

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:05:25am

348 megscole64
I would very much like to see that as a thread.
Moderate muslims are ignored by the islamaists and by us, both oversights are equally atrocious.

396 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:05:41am

#389 jehu

That's today's ACLU, putting Allah in your public square.

Nine out of nine Liberals love it!

397 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:05:47am

megscole64
Nice jewelry! bookmarked!

398 locutus  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:06:44am

Giant gold medal hangs from MIT dome

My favorite quote:

MIT Officials Say Medal Likely A Prank
399 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:06:48am
If not for Reagan we would probably all be driving solar powered flying cars by now.


Damn, and to think I voted for him...

400 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:08:44am

#390 alegrias 3/1/2006 01:03PM PST
#383 eschew

Mick Jagger and the geriatric stones will be taking Communist Chinese money during their concert tour. I hear Chinese revere their elders. Take our elderly commie rockers, please.


O.K.....I'm not fond of their politics either.

It's pretty hypocritical for Jagger to complain about a couple of words censored from their Super Bowl performance and take Chinese money along with much larger dose of censorship on their Chinese tour.

....but I still like Honky Tonk Woman

401 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:09:05am

Well, I certainly didn't vote for Reagan.

402 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:09:07am

#395 Killgore Trout

But... but... you mean we can't just KILL 'EM ALL?!?!

/ai

403 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:09:24am

#394 Jheka

Yep, everything's Reagan's fault.

404 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:09:39am

#391 Keepandbear,

Not on purpose never ever never!

405 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:09:59am

#394 Jheka

I’m still waiting for the ‘back pack – jet pack’ they’d show on tv in the ‘60’s

Is that Reagan’s fault too?

406 m  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:10:10am

#401 Jheka

Me either, but it was because I couldn't vote yet :) My first vote ever went to a Bush :D

407 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:10:26am

#391 keepandbear

The United States Armed Services DOES NOT NOR HAS IT EVER ADVOCATED KILLING CIVILIANS. We will sacrifice our own Service People in order to prevent the killing of civilians


I don't think sacrifice is the right word. It implies we would willingly get killed rather then prevent the killing of civillians. I would not take any direct offensive action against civillians nor would I stand by and watch innocent civillians be killed while I have the means to prevent it.
This sounds like the argument of you see a terrorist running across the street using a civillian as a shield. Do you shoot? No you do not, but rather you attempt to pursue the belligrent and once isolated take him out.
Civillians are never legitimate targets even in conflicts like this were it is at times impossible to determine innocent from insurgent.

408 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:10:36am

alegrias #387

You're being light on the Demo's. First and foremost, they were, and are, the party of slavery. Blacks are still held in thrall on psychological plantations. Witness the treatment of any black that espouses conservative views.

Welfare is nothing more than a sophisticated slavery system. Not to mention almost all inner-cities are run by Dem machines. Some, like the bouroughs of NYC for over a hundred years.

Now go back to the Church committee in the 70's where the Dems decimated our CIA and human/intel. Then bitch we have no human assests in 2001. They also wrote a bill during Clinton B.J. years that forbid our intelligience agencies from dealing with neafarious characters in gathering intelligience in the field.

Stupid bastards nearly always cause all the problems that get shoved to a GOP admin, then like rabid dogs chew at the ankles of the horses that have to pull the load. Like Bush is really just cleaning up the freaking mess given to him by "cruising for chicks," Clinton. How the Bush's can befriend that reprobate is a mystery to me.

409 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:10:46am

#394 Jheka 3/1/2006 01:05PM PST
Proof that DUers live in an alternate universe:

If not for Reagan we would probably all be driving solar powered flying cars by now.


Yeah...I wonder how many of our DU buddies are working on a solution for that?

Am I gonna need minus signs to express the answer?

410 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:11:49am

My grandmother is buried in Marshfield.


When I used to visit the distant relatives there, about 30 years ago, it was a few summer vacation homes, and people who still lived on farms.


I guess the 'tards from Boston moved in.

411 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:11:51am

393 ibmkeyboard
Oh shoot...Michelle might piss someone off... oh wait. :) She's good at that.

#397 Crimsonfisted
Thank you SO much! :) It's my "second" job and one of my favorite things to do. Aside from being on LGF!

#395 Killgore Trout 3/1/2006 01:05PM PST
I agree...I actually saw it on Malkin yesterday and was thrilled. I have no love for Islam in general but when it comes down to it, saying that we hate 'all' Muslims because it's a death cult just turns away those who would side with us. It's the crazy, wacko Islamofascists for whom we should save our scorn.

412 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:12:05am

374 JAG
Gotta love those boots. mmmmm

413 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:13:20am

Just a grunt

okay let me rephrase a little

Would the US use a method that could cause more casualties if it will prevent civilian casualties?

Historically it has happen many times IMO

414 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:13:40am

#394 Jheka

That's not a bad thing. There's plenty of people who drive cars on the road today that can't even handle 2 dimensions. Divine Providence only knows what will happen should they get the chance to travel using 3 dimensions.

415 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:14:08am

406 m 3/1/2006 01:10PM PST
#401 Jheka

Me either, but it was because I couldn't vote yet :) My first vote ever went to a Bush :D

---

I wasn't old enough yet either but I vaguely remember that my parents voted for him even though they were Democrats. My mom still doesn't like to be reminded of it! LOL

416 secsailor  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:14:29am

399 redstateredneck

If not for Reagan we would probably all be driving solar powered flying cars by now.

Damn, and to think I voted for him...

Me too! In fact, it was the very first vote I ever cast.

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:14:31am

#402 m
:)

418 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:14:54am

#394 Jheka 3/1/2006 01:05PM PST
Proof that DUers live in an alternate universe:

I thought they lived in their parents basement?

419 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:15:25am

#406 m:

Mine too ... but it didn't count ... it seems that the person who registered me in New York's East Village "lost" my registration when they saw that I registered Republican. Luckily, with Dukakis running, they didn't need my vote.

420 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:15:42am

If not for Reagan, Carter would have gotten a second term and our hostages would be grandparents in Iran, and we would all ride to work in fart-powered busses talking about the malaise and the sunset of American Power. Then again Muslims would like us and there would have been no 9/11...France would like us too.

421 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:15:45am

Keep,

I accidently killed a 12 year old boy when a firefight broke out, and that has become one of the many weights I carry from 'Nam.

422 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:16:36am

406 m 3/1/2006 01:10PM PST
#401 Jheka

Me either, but it was because I couldn't vote yet :) My first vote ever went to a Bush :D

---

I wasn't old enough yet either but I vaguely remember that my parents voted for him even though they were Democrats. My mom still doesn't like to be reminded of it! LOL

423 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:18:53am

#411 megscole64
I loved the quotes from the Koran to back up the moderate view, I don't think I've ever seen that before. I'm sure there's plenty of room to debate the interpretation, but that's how the reformation will begin; with debate.

424 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:19:03am

I know how to make a solar-powered flying car work! Drag the earth closer to the sun. Shorten the orbit radius...Awww shucks! Major global warming. Back to the drawing board.

425 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:19:07am

#413 keepandbear

Would the US use a method that could cause more casualties if it will prevent civilian casualties?


I am afraid you lost me. If you mean cause more casualties on the enemy if it will prevent civillian casualties then yes. If you mean would our forces take casualties to prevent civillian casualties the sad truth is yes and it has happened before. The military must operate under ROE, Rules of Engagement, and sometimes they are really restrictive. Haiti is one operation that I can think of that had some of the most restrictive rules. If some clown was firing at you and ran out of ammo and threw his gun down you were then under orders to protect him from not only friendly fire but also any of his comrades who may want to kill him. Even back then we knew the power of the press.

426 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:19:22am
427 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:19:51am

#410 Ed.....

I guess the 'tards from Boston moved in.

Correct. And sad. I vacationed there (rexham beach) as well.

We called it the "Irish Riviera"!

428 Van Impe  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:22:10am

Dhimmi Watch rips apart the NYT Magazine article about Yale's latest freshman:

And then, as the last nail in the coffin of the alarmingly slimming-down (Craigslist and the Internet perhaps being able to inflict more damage on The New Duranty Times than all of us who have been so infuriated at its failure to measure up, over so many years) New Duranty Times – alarming to the owners and staff, not to us who regard its travails with glee – there is this: “they took a page from the Nazis and proposed that non-Muslims wear identity labels on their clothes.”
Stop right there. “They took a page from the Nazis.” Did they now? So there is nothing in the 1350-year history of Muslim conquest of non-Muslim lands, and subjugation of non-Muslim peoples, that ever required identifying marks on the dwellings, or the persons, of non-Muslims? What about the blue belt, the zunnar, traditionally required of Christians? What about the yellow identifying mark of Jews, that came not from Adolf Hitler but from the Court of Haroun al-Raschid in Abbasid Baghdad? And what about the turbans of different colors, assigned early on, as early as the 9th century by the Baghdad Caliph Mutawakkil? (That swirling minaret of sand that stands next to the bombed mosque of Al-Askariya is named after Mutawakkil.)
Chip Brown apparently is completely unaware that non-Muslims, dhimmis, had to wear identifying garb. What about all of those many editors who should have been going through such a major piece with a fine tooth comb? They were, every man or woman jack of them, so ignorant of Islam that they had no idea that the dhimmis, the non-Muslims permitted to stay alive under Muslim rule, had to wear identifying garb -- either the wide cloth belt, the zunnar (blue for Christians, yellow for Jews), or the identifying scrap of cloth on the clothes, the “ghiyar,” or both? Why is it that people who choose to write on a subject that requires a knowledge of Islam feel no need to learn about Islam? Wouldn’t one have thought that the editors of The New York Times would, given all the discussion of Islam, and given the failure of that paper even now to print even one of those famous Danish cartoons even as it continues in seemingly unselfconscious fashion to prate about freedom of speech (a subject on which The New Duranty Times has lost the moral right to proffer an opinion, much less preach to anyone, until it manages to show a reasonable sampling of those cartoons) take some care at least in this particular?

Entire column is here.

429 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:22:50am

425 Just_A_Grunt


Bingo sir you have answered my question

Nam Grunt thank you as well.

/And I'm really sorry for your pain.


Thankyou to all the vets and current service people.

And to your Fallen Comrades that didn't get to come back.

We all owe you a debt we can never repay.

430 Bubbaman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:24:28am

Pictures of the Irvine protests are coming in and they suggest anything but "peace"

431 Dave the.....  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:24:58am

NRO is revealing that Russsss Feingold (Moonbat-Madison) is reading the Constitution on the Senate floor right now. Part of his personal filibuster against the Patriot Act.

As they say "probably as first time for him".

Dave's comment. I wonder when he gets to the end if he'll say "hmmm, must be missing a page. The part about Seperation of Church and State. And the part about abortion. And what the hell was this stuff about freedom of speech? Not in an election year it should say."

432 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:26:27am

#430 Bubba
Rayra has some over on his/her site and is putting more video and pictures up later.
[Link: www.rayra.net...]

433 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:26:34am

#429 Keepandbear,

The VA says that I'm over it but that is the game I play with them every month. ;-) How can I anyone get over that, but I guess the doc's at VA are experts.

434 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:27:47am

34º (93ºF) in Laredo, where Mexican drug militias play.

Also 34º in San Angelo. 36º (96ºF) in Wichita Falls, a sure sign Winter is almost over.

33º at DFW. Only 27º in Houston, thanks to cooling breezes off the chilly (20 to 22º Gulf of Mexico). Speaking of chilly, only 23º in Galveston.

435 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:28:05am

#407 Just_A_Grunt

Civilians are never legitimate targets even in conflicts like this where it is at times impossible to determine innocent from insurgent.

We need to accept, or should I say continue to accept, that there are times we're going to pull the trigger knowing that civilians are going to get hit.

This enemy uses them for armor. That can't prevent us from doing battle, if we intend to win.

436 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:28:46am

433 'Nam Grunt

They mean you ain't gonna wig out and take a bunch of us with you. If you were actually "over it" you wouldn't be a human being.

437 megscole64  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:29:53am

#421 'Nam Grunt 3/1/2006 01:15PM PST
Keep,

I accidently killed a 12 year old boy when a firefight broke out, and that has become one of the many weights I carry from 'Nam.

-------

I am SO sorry that you carry this as a weight. You are still a hero in my book! God knows when everyone's time is up and that boy is in a better place now. Not that reading those words makes your pain any less. God Bless You!

438 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:30:50am

Nukes are halal..
Mullah: Muslims do not manufacture nuclear weapons

Addressing a group of clerics at the central province of Yazd, he said Iran's activities are legal and based on international regulations.

Muslims do not manufacture nuclear weapons since it is against their religious rules, mullah added.

(((:~Oالله

439 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:32:07am

#430 Bubbaman

There’s a sign behind the “Mohammad – Mercy to Mankind” guy that says “College Republicans ……….” but the rest is missing. Same color and style as the 'Mo' sign.

Love to see what is says…


McMuslims - Never a happy meal

440 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:32:37am

435 Powderfinger
I started this

go up to my post 413 and 391

I asked a question JAG just answered it for me.

441 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:33:04am

#436 Keepandbear,

No I'm not the wig out type, I was firing my weapon and directing my guys when he ran out of a hooch and was caught in the crossfire, pure accident, but it helped me raise my sons properly and coming this May I'll have two sons with degrees, my job is done. ;-)

442 Silhouette  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:36:06am

#439 Blue Chip

It says College Republicans/ The New KKK.

rayra has lots of pics

443 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:36:37am

#438 Killgore Trout 3/1/2006 01:30PM PST
Nukes are halal..
Mullah: Muslims do not manufacture nuclear weapons


Addressing a group of clerics at the central province of Yazd, he said Iran's activities are legal and based on international regulations.

Muslims do not manufacture nuclear weapons since it is against their religious rules, mullah added.


(((:~Oالله


Well....I suppose there's a difference between 'manufacturing' nuclear weapons and 'using' nuclear weapons, but it's a distinction without a difference IMHO.

I'll see your Mullah and raise you a Fatwa!

A Fatwa Approving the Use of Nuclear Weapons

444 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:38:13am

#441 nam grunt
Ain't shit you could have done about it.
I almost got 2 of my guys once. They moved around and were moving in from the left. I had targets to the front and they popped up right in the middle. They thought they would take care of the guys shooting at us without realizing we were already firing on them.

445 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:38:26am

#319 KeepandBear
I found this.

446 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:39:04am

I wonder what Iran is going to be like when Dubya reaches for their throat, it should be interesting, gotta love those Texans. LOL!

447 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:39:56am

My grandmother grew up in Marshfield. Her father came back from Boston when my grandma's mother, an immigrant for Galway, died when my grandmother was less than a year old. My grandmother was basically raised by her paternal grandmother. I've heard the story about when my grandmother, as a young girl, fell into a cranberry bog and was rescued by a 'colored' man. My Mom told me this was probably a Portuguese man, as they were referred to as colored, plus, IIRC, I heard that a lot more Portuguese men than women came to Southern New England back in the day, and being foreigners, they had difficulty meeting native white women, and many married black women.

I knew a guy in the Navy from Southern Massachusetts, named Pete Madeiros, and he looked like he had some African ancestry.


When we were up for my grandmothers funeral (I got to fly out of Houston in an American Eagle puddle-jumper through the outer rainbands of Hurricane Claudette, which was cool), we went to a real casual lobster place in Plymouth, that was cool as well.


Since my days visiting my grandmother in North Quincy (speaking of the beach), the amusement park with the big roller coaster at Nantasket seems to have been bulldozed.

448 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:40:03am

442 Silhoutte

It says College Republicans/ The New KKK.


But I can't wear white sheets until after Memorial day ?!?

449 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:40:16am

#430 Bubbaman 3/1/2006 01:24PM PST
Pictures of the Irvine protests are coming in and they suggest anything but "peace"


One of those pics says "Mohammed, Leader of the Free World".

I thought freedom was haram under the 'liberty is a license for immorality' meme?

450 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:40:29am

#440 Keepandbear

Gotcha. to answer your question, you used to be right. But then, we used to fight people who did a better job of standing out as combatants.

The Geneva Conventions recognize that the presence of civilians is not a bar to attacking combatants. They've got an obligation to seperate and identify themselves from civilians. If civilians die because they don't, that's their crime.

This enemy insures that civilians will die whenever they do battle. That can't be an excuse for surrender.

451 MoonbatBane  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:40:53am

Max Friedman NAILS it here!

God help America! The Democrats won't, ever, and the Republican leadership can't unless they get some backbone.

Read the whole thing...

452 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:46:14am

Here is a howler from a self-lobotomized AP hack named, VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV


Mikhail Gorbachev's magnetic brown eyes shine as brightly as ever, and he speaks with the same passion about the collapse of the Soviet Union as he prepares to mark his 75th birthday on Thursday.

The man who ended got his ass handed to him by Reagan and so the Cold War ended and launched democratic reforms that broke the repressive Soviet regime continues to enjoy the limelight, globe-trotting on behalf of his political foundation and environmental group and taking part in charity projects.

Here

Was this guy wearing a blue dress in a room with Gorby...jeez!

453 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:47:17am

#269 loppyd ~

I'd add Rockefeller to the list, too.
In one of my fantasies he gets frogmarched out of Congress for leaking the NSA surveillance story to the NYT.

(ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease)

Right along side Dicky Turban!

(ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease)

454 Blue Chip  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:48:36am

#447 Ed


the amusement park with the big roller coaster at Nantasket seems to have been bulldozed.

It was called Paragon Park (it was lovely, right on the water in Hull) and it's gone now. All turned into, whatelse - condos.

A shame, really. You wonder what memories kids today will carry forward with them.

It's still a beautiful area....except for the LLL/moonbats.

What can you do?

455 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:50:02am

450 Powderfinger

Okay hypothetical

Highly efective sniper in a hotel moves from room to room.


can't get him with counter sniper. Hotel is occupied by civies

You have heavy weapons at your disposal but will cause massive casualties if used.

or you can send several squads but will probably suffer casualties.

which would the US Military use?

456 Fatal  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:51:47am

In regards to the UCI cartoon thing:

The school's Muslim Student Union organized a protest. The group had asked that the cartoons not be shown, fearing it would generate hatred against Muslims.

Am I the only one who can't get their mind around this? How could a cartoon of Mohammed generate "hatred against Muslims"?

Does a cartoon of Garfield generate hatred against cats?

Do cartoons of gorgeous women superheros generate hatred towards beautiful women?

Do cartoons of mice generate hatred against mice? (or do such cartoons merely attempt to make the Jews look better?)

See Here

Well, which is it?!

Does this make sense to anyone at all, or are these folks actually as deluded as they seem to be?

P.S. Can someone tell me how to link directly to an LGF article instead of what I did in this post?

457 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:52:34am

#455 Keepandbear,

Simple you send three or four guys into the building, and neutralize him!

458 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:54:00am

#452 jehu, I like this sentence:

Gorbachev said this week that while he could have ended Yeltsin's political career easily by dispatching him as ambassador to a distant country, he didn't do so because such a move would compromise his principles.

Yeah, the six-feet-under country.

459 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:56:19am

P.S. Can someone tell me how to link directly to an LGF article instead of what I did in this post?


You can right-click on the post number (in this case #456), click copy shortcut, click on the 'Link' item just above your comments box, and paste into the url window that pops up. Then just provide the text for the link as you usually do and post your comment.

460 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:56:26am

#443 eschew_obfuscation

I'll see your Mullah and raise you a Fatwa!


The rules of 'Fatwa, Mullah, Jihadi' clearly state that fatwa beats mullah.
You win.

461 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:57:58am

ChiBlue-

OK, we got Feingold, Rockefeller, and Turbin.

Anybody else we can add?

462 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 11:59:22am

{Fatal}-

Does a cartoon of Garfield generate hatred against cats?

Only on Mondays. :p

463 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:00:06pm

Powderfinger
Keepandbear

or you can send several squads but will probably suffer casualties.


Every time you go out on petrol or get into a fight, there is the possibility you will take casualties. You minimize the risks, within reason, but they are part of the job.
You send people in to get the sniper.

464 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:01:43pm

#462 Dubs,

Garfield is updated daily on my home page, he's a cool cat, sorry. LOL!

465 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:04:12pm

#455 Keepandbear 3/1/2006 01:50PM PST
450 Powderfinger

Okay hypothetical

Highly efective sniper in a hotel moves from room to room.


can't get him with counter sniper. Hotel is occupied by civies

You have heavy weapons at your disposal but will cause massive casualties if used.

or you can send several squads but will probably suffer casualties.

which would the US Military use?

OK....this just seems too easy.

Set up down the hall from the room the sniper was last know to be in, wait for him to try to change rooms, KABLAMO.....sniper dust!

*o.k....maybe I'm not a military tactician*

466 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:08:16pm

MoonBatbane 451

Now that guy knows how to rant! Lots of info on many, many traitors to our country.

467 TMF  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:08:24pm

Just a Grunt

Rayra has some over on his/her site

Uhh, I think it's safe to say Rayra is NOT a member of the fairer sex......

Call it male intuition....

468 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:10:26pm

#394

"...If not for Reagan we would probably all be driving solar powered flying cars by now."

Ya know, I could definitely see an upside to moonbats in solar-powered flying cars...As long as we could keep them away from populated areas.

469 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:10:44pm

#465 eschew_obfuscation,

You have to clear room by room from the bottom up, to protect the Troops and also noncombatants .

470 Bob's Kid  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:12:33pm
The rules of 'Fatwa, Mullah, Jihadi' clearly state that fatwa beats mullah.
You win.

Oh, that's funny!

Check this out...I sent it to a couple o' folks, but thought it so funny I had to share.

471 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:14:44pm

#455 keepandbear

I agree with most of the rest here. You can take that guy out without leveling the building, and save lives in the process.

Here's a not so hypothetical. Knowing we're likely to kill some civilians, should we take that shot anyway?

I think we need to. I also think that Israel is within it's rights to do things like this.

472 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:16:26pm

Nam,

Contrasting your humanity with a certain self-proclaimed war hero whose experiences included shooting an unarmed teenager in the back. Conscienceless sack of crap.

Thank you Nam and may God grant you peace of mind. I appreciate the persective you bring to this blog.

I'll go back to reading now.

473 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:18:20pm

#469 'Nam Grunt 3/1/2006 02:10PM PST
#465 eschew_obfuscation,

You have to clear room by room from the bottom up, to protect the Troops and also noncombatants .


I knew it couldn't be that simple....

That's why we have you guys!

Thanks again!

474 ggt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:21:00pm

Good Afternoon Lizards! I wrestled the keyboard away from my family for a little while and am dutifully checking in.

The weather in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago is damp (without precipitation),coldish and gray. I hear they are getting snow in some parts of the country.

475 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:22:05pm
476 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:22:32pm

#474 ggt

I hear they are getting snow in some parts of the country.

Not here in NC, I golfed in shorts today!

477 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:26:07pm

#475 taxfreekiller, your link is crappy.

Interesting. Mexican jets?

478 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:27:17pm

#475 taxfreekiller

Well, it happened AGAIN this morning, INCURSION by two F-4 Phantoms,

Mexico doesn't have F-4s.

THE A-10's are over head as I type

If Mexico had F-4s, we would not send up A-10s to chase them.

Get a grip.

479 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:32:02pm

#475 taxfreekiller 3/1/2006 02:22PM PST
Note: from tfk

Not very good at this,,

From the minutemanhq.com site 03/01/06
at 13:31 posted by a Frank Lavoie


Can you be a little more specific about where on the site you found this?

I'm having trouble locating the item.

Thanks,
E_O

480 Render  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:34:03pm

tfk: Your link, your F-4's, and your A-10's.

All wrong.

I luv ya bro, but either ease up on the medication or take more of it.

CARRY
ON,
R

481 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:34:32pm

NYC approx. 20 cm snow storm still on per 18Z GFS

Maybe more than 20 cm on Eastern Long Island, but added precip may be cancelled by sleet/rain mixing in.


Only fighter aircraft in Mexican arsenal is the US built F-5. 10 were delivered, and somehow Mexico lost 2 of them.

482 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:35:22pm

Looks like I found same sight Reaganite did, although I linked to cool looking picture.

483 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:35:35pm

@469 'Nam Grunt

You know how MrQuark and I feel about you. And you know he's always got your six.
You need to remember that.

484 acwgusa  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:35:51pm

#478 reganite

Wait, Mexico has an Air Force? Actual planes? Not a giant rubber band with a seat?

485 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:37:12pm

#478

No idea what that #475 post is about, but you're right about A-10's...I remember a cartoon popping up in AF ready rooms around the time of the Gulf War that showed two Iraqis in a tank with a Warthog behind them. Caption: "Step on it, Ali! He's gaining on us!"

486 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:38:32pm

#484 acwgusa

Wait, Mexico has an Air Force? Actual planes? Not a giant rubber band with a seat?

For their threat, they actually a competent air force.

487 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:40:39pm

#485 GoesTo11

"Step on it, Ali! He's gaining on us!"

LOL! Yeah well an A-10 was never designed to be fast. It tops out about 420 mph. Real good choice to send up against an aircraft that does 1600 mph.

488 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:41:42pm

The F-5E, while designed as a low cost fighter jet mainly for the export market, can carry air to air missiles and has 2 cannons.

The bad news, if Mexico decided to attack us with their 8 remaining F-5's, is that the F-5 is used by the "aggressor squadron" to train USAF pilots, so you'd figure our pilots have a pretty good handle on the planes capabilities.

489 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:41:52pm

#484

"Wait, Mexico has an Air Force? Actual planes? Not a giant rubber band with a seat?"

Their rubber bands and seats are dedicated to getting people across the Rio Grande.

490 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:41:58pm
491 ggt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:42:01pm

Am trying to scan the posts before the keyboard is taken by someone in my family claiming "homework" rights.

About the legislation against colored guns. I thought it was a joke when I found out that NYC requires all toy guns to be colored because cops were killing criminals brandishing toy guns. Now someone doesn't want cops to kill criminals using real, but colored, guns? AHHHHHH.

Ya know, I was raised to take all guns seriously. Toy or not.

I am so behind on the important issues. Too much to read.

492 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:42:18pm

TFK,

I appreciate your emails, but calm down, you are talking fantacy now, think about it Bro. LOL!

493 acwgusa  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:42:27pm

#486 reganite

I was aware they had a very competent Air Force.
I just like the visual of a giant rubber band.

494 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:43:20pm
495 SaneInMN  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:43:32pm

Those who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act

"That second measure passed overwhelmingly earlier in the day, 95-4. Voting 'no' with Feingold were Sens. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and the Senate's constitutional expert, Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va."

The AP's "constitutional expert" received an F grade regarding the 2nd Amendment from both the NRA and Gun Owners of America.

The AP's "constitutional expert" changed the Senate fillibuster rules when he presided as Senate Majority Leader, then labelled any attempts by Republicans to do the same thing "unconstitutional".

The AP's "constitutional expert" voted "yea" concerning the McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform bill, a direct assault on the 1st Amendment.

Oh, and btw...The AP's "constitutional expert" was a high ranking member of the KKK during his "earlier days".

496 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:44:01pm

#490 taxfreekiller

reganite,, you said you did not talk to me

No, that's not what I said. I said I hadn't addressed you. Big difference.

When you post complete drivel, I will show you that you are wrong.

You don't get to pick who responds to your posts.

497 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:45:23pm

486- Reaganite- 8 fighter planes is sufficient for their threat. OK, the US and Guatemala aren't planning to attack, but they are darn close to Cuba.

The Cubans have a pretty decent sized air force.


Well, quittin' time.

498 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:46:55pm

Mexican Airforce?

Sort of like the one about the Mexican submarine's maiden voyage.....

499 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:47:21pm

494-AI

I suppose if one wasn't really familiar with military aircraft, even though they don't look alike, one could confuse an F-4 Phantom with an F-5.

I guess.

Quitting time for real.

500 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:47:22pm

#497 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

The Cubans have a pretty decent sized air force.

Yeah, but if Cuba sent fighters towards Mexico, we'd splash them long before they were ever a threat to Mexico.

501 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:48:13pm

Today is the 61st anniversary of the death of Mike Strank.

Mike was one of the heroes who raised the flag on Mt Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima. He died shortly after the famous photo was taken.

Few know his name but everyone has seen his face.

502 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:49:09pm
503 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:50:17pm

500 Reaganite-

True if the Cubans were headed deep into Mexico, or toward the US. Now, granted, unlikely, if the Cubans sent some MiGs to bomb Cancun and Conzumel across the Yucatan Channel, the Cuban planes would be back into Cuban airspace long before US warplanes could get there.

Ok, that is a little far-fetched, I suppose.

OK, quitting time for real.

504 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:50:48pm

#501 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Mike was one of the heroes who raised the flag on Mt Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima. He died shortly after the famous photo was taken.

Was he in the original flag raising or the reenactment?

505 steve  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:51:11pm

I am sitting at my computer listening to my 5 year old daughter do a word puzzle and she has found:

Coast Guard
Pentagon
Air Force
Marine
Navy

Pretty good for a 5 year old.

506 Gordon  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:51:27pm

Snapshot of American Muslims:

[Link: www.aljazeerah.info...]

No wonder Charles doesn't like them. They're richer and better educated than he is.

507 keepandbear  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:51:29pm

thanks to all that answered me.

508 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:51:31pm

#503 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

OK, quitting time for real.

Have a good one Ed.

509 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:51:37pm

[Link: minutemanhq.com...]

tfk? You were trying to point it out. If you use the quote function above right of the comment area, then we would know you are quoting instead of writing it yourself:-)

510 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:52:44pm
How can I anyone get over that

Someone who had a similar pain in his past told me that you don't get over it, you just get used to it. His was a medical error that killed someone, but like you, he was trying to do good and ended up ending a person's life.

511 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:55:32pm

TFK,

My sons and me are members in standing of Minuteman, and waiting for orders, but I think you should validate the statement about the zoomers in our airspace, I think it's someone testing the peyote in west Texas. ;-)

512 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:56:04pm

Mexico only had 8 fighter jets? And they got oil...hmmmm...

513 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 12:57:17pm

#512 jehu

Mexico only had 8 fighter jets? And they got oil...hmmmm...

If you really call an F-5 a fighter...

514 W-lover  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:01:01pm

{Nam}-

If you're truly sorry, then God will forgive you.

You're a good person, and you are loved!

515 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:01:17pm

#509 Re: exact comment link
[Link: minutemanhq.com...]

516 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:01:37pm

#513 reaganite,

If you really call an F-5 a fighter..

They are good for napalm drops for troops in the open though. LOL!

517 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:02:10pm

#501

Re: Mike Strank

Last I heard, Eastwood was directing a film based on Flags of Our Fathers.

The book was amazing (and humbling), but I haven't heard any recent news on the film.

518 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:02:23pm

reaganite

Maybe they could sell them to Iran for parts, which has lots of F-5's but can't fly em cause they've been bad-mouthing us and we don't sell them parts. Not like Mexico needs jets, unless Castro gets mad at them.

519 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:03:50pm

#514 Dubs,

We argue everyday so far he hasn't let up on me. ;-)

520 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:04:17pm

#516 'Nam Grunt

They are good for napalm drops for troops in the open though. LOL!

They really are nothing more than a barely supersonic ground attack aircraft, they don't even have a radar!

521 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:05:40pm

W-lover 514

If you're truly sorry, then God will forgive you.

Not sure it is a case of forgiveness, since it was accidental and in the fog of war. Not like Kerry who was going around filming re-enactments of his battles with defenseless teenagers.

522 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:06:16pm

#518 jehu

Maybe they could sell them to Iran for parts, which has lots of F-5's but can't fly em cause they've been bad-mouthing us and we don't sell them parts.

Last I heard, all of Iran's F-5s are trashed and unflyable. I may be wrong though.

523 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:06:54pm

#518 jehu,

There is no way in hell that Mexico can defend themselves against any aggresion, they know that we will bail them out if that happened!

524 ggt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:07:10pm

I got to post #410 and, you guessed it, I have to go.

Have a great evening, Lizards!

525 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:08:10pm

F-22 Raptor, now that is a aircraft! Did some engineering work on that one back in my hardware days. Expensive though.

526 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:09:26pm

#525 jehu

Expensive though.

The same was said about the F-15. No aircraft has ever had a better kill ratio than the F-15 though...

527 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:10:33pm

#513/#516

Since the subject came up...

My dad's last AF assignment was flying F-5E's with the 527th Aggressor Sqn. He loved flying them, though their range and performance lagged those of our front-line types like the F-15 & F-16. The F-5E was employed in the adversary role b/c its size and performance approximated that of the MiG-21, which was the mainstay of Soviet/WarPac air forces in that era. The appearance of the MiG-29 & Su-27, followed by the dissolution of the USSR, meant the end of the USAF Aggressor F-5s. I miss those wild "lizard" and "grape" camo jobs...

528 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:11:00pm

Don't we have a super fighter in the works, F-35 I think, reaganite?

529 Roger  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:13:30pm

#519 'Nam Grunt

I don't think you need G-d's forgiveness for this one as much as comforting. Can't imagine the personal distress when an heart renching event happens quickly. And you can't reverse time.

Now I imagine there are a bunch of other things over which you need forgiveness just like the rest of us:-)

530 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:13:37pm

#527 GoesTo11

He loved flying them, though their range and performance lagged those of our front-line types like the F-15 & F-16.

Everyone I have ever known that has flown them said the same thing.

The appearance of the MiG-29 & Su-27, followed by the dissolution of the USSR, meant the end of the USAF Aggressor F-5s.

Yes and no, they were replaced with F-16Ns. Although the F-5s were flying alongside the F-16Ns for a year or so.

531 Bad Penny  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:15:55pm
There is no way in hell that Mexico can defend themselves against any aggresion, they know that we will bail them out if that happened!

Unless of course we were the agressor. We could use a few more states, dontcha think? We're supporting half the country anyway, we might as well take em over so we can tax them.

They can come up here and work, we can invest down there, and I could retire to a condo in nice, warm Alcapulco.

532 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:16:24pm

#528 'Nam Grunt

Don't we have a super fighter in the works, F-35 I think,

Actually, the F-35's flight envelope is very similar to the F-16. The military specs only wanted that. It's other capabilities make it better (VTOL for the Marines, stealth, etc).

It's real hard to out maneuver an F-16. The pilot breaks before the aircraft!

533 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:16:45pm

Nam 523

Far as that goes Canada has gotten to luxuriate in its little socialist utopia cause mean ol Ameirca will save their bacon if the Chinese suddenly start prospecting for real estate and figure a big defenseless moral-high horse country is easy pickings.

Same goes for Western Europe that could slash its defense budgets, poke us in the eyes, call us cowboys and unsophisticated hillbillys. Yeah until someone comes to kick their ass. So tired of America pullling 80 to 90% of the weight in the last 70 years in defending a slob world's freedoms.

P.S. followed a little of the dialog about your experience in Nam with the boy there. For what it is worth with my knowledge of scriptures and maybe a knowledge of what the Lord holds us responsible for, this one is not on you bro. Very much doubt any condemnation coming from the man. But that your conscience haunts you is the sign of a good and sensitive conscience, but don't let it keep demanding a grief that is no longer yours.

534 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:17:15pm
535 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:18:55pm

#529 Roger,

Whatever I did in war I will take with me to the grave, and noone can change that, although they have tried, you can't change a man's thoughts and emotions there isn't a pill for that, and I don't take pills althogh they give me all I want for free!

536 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:19:58pm

@528 'Nam Grunt

That's supposed to be the last manned fighter aircraft. But you know how futuristic assumptions can end. :)

537 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:23:18pm

Jheka 534

My odds of being killed in car accident are far greater than being killed in a terrorist attack. I'm sick of the hyperbole, the non-stop fear mongering, the price tag, etc. I believe it's 85% cooked up bullshit. If we hadn't gone to Iraq and hadn't alienated so many people, it'd be perceived as a much smaller issue.
But no, this country just can't seem to exist without enemies, so we construct them.

Actually his odds of dying of starvation because his brain is too stupid to direct his hand to the fork is far greater than any outside threat.

I swear if one of these guys was at the WTC on 9/11 and a body fell on them, they would kick it a curse Bush.

538 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:25:11pm

#530

Yeah...I wasn't sure exactly when the F-16N's started serving with adversary squadrons. I have heard that the F-16N is actually lighter (hence more agile and slightly faster) than the F-16C...The "N" doesn't have all the onboard avionics and hardware of the front-line models.

539 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:25:34pm

#531 Bad Penny,

Acapulco?!?! Hell I would choose Cabo St. Lucas, be next to OJ's property he's got it going on. LOL!

540 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:26:03pm

#538 GoesTo11

The "N" doesn't have all the onboard avionics and hardware of the front-line models.

It doesn't even have a gun!

541 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:30:58pm

quarkey,

You are a jewel for sure, love you both tell M. hi. ;-)

542 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:31:01pm

#536 quark2

"...That's supposed to be the last manned fighter aircraft. But you know how futuristic assumptions can end. :) "

I think it was Chuck Yeager who once said that pilots were irreplaceable, b/c a pilot will always be the best flight-control system you can make with unskilled labor ;-)

543 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:37:20pm

#408 jehu

Hi Jehu thanks for your post. Agreed I went easy on donkeys, the party of slavery physical & mental. For some dumb reason Repubs--the party founded to abolish slavery--did not commemorate their 150th anniversary of founding, according to a Washington Times article last week lamenting another missed opportunity to celebrate Lincoln and Eisenhower & all who voted to free people from feudalism.

I volunteered in DC's Anacostia schools for years--you're so right about democrat abandonment of folks to squalid schools--no books, no soap, no toilet paper, no doors on toilet stalls, no teachers who spoke standard English in a democrat district (your Nation's Capital) where $9,000 was allocated per public school student at the time (1995).

CIA friends including Vietnam Vets were outed by Frank Church's decimation & Philip Agee's sellout of his own country's intelligence agency. (Agee lives in Cuba now, where Hollywood meets Stalinism with a tropical face.)

Watching Democrats tear down & sell out our country from the inside out has taught me everything I know about them.

Thank you Veterans, Nam Grunt & others who served in spite of Dems cutting down you & your missions which were honorable and right.

544 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:38:13pm

#540

Remember when the first F-4 models were put into service w/o inboard guns b/c designers were convinced that AAMs would make traditional dogfighting a thing of the past?

The perils of prognostication...

545 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:41:20pm

#544 GoesTo11

Remember when the first F-4 models were put into service w/o inboard guns b/c designers were convinced that AAMs would make traditional dogfighting a thing of the past?

The Navy F-8 Crusaders were known as "the last of the gun fighters" until the F-4E!

546 alegrias  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:42:01pm

#542 goes to 11

that pilots were irreplaceable, b/c a pilot will always be the best flight-control system you can make with unskilled labor ;-)

Navy pilot John McCain certainly knocked himself & several planes out while taking out part of Spain's power lines and dropping bombs over North Vietnam. God bless our troops.

547 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:43:50pm

alegrias 546

Spain's power lines?

548 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:43:51pm

#546 alegrias

Navy pilot John McCain certainly knocked himself & several planes out while taking out part of Spain's power lines and dropping bombs over North Vietnam.

Explain?

549 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:47:10pm

reaganite

The Navy F-8 Crusaders

Heh...heh. Ought to dust some off and use em in the coming showdown with Iran...just for the eye-poking annoyance of the name of them.

550 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:47:50pm

All I know is that the stupid bastards in ME are losers and stupid folks (some of them anyway) and they are going to lose, and it will be from our zoomers, God Bless the zoomers!

551 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:48:31pm

#549 jehu

Ought to dust some off and use em in the coming showdown with Iran...just for the eye-poking annoyance of the name of them.

I doubt any of them are left even in the bone yard. But not a bad suggestion.

552 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:49:39pm

Nam 550

All I know is that the stupid bastards in ME are losers and stupid folks

Not only that but some of them are stinky! We shall fart in their general direction.

553 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:49:59pm

#550 'Nam Grunt

God Bless the zoomers!

You can't win a war with airpower alone. Airpower just makes it easier for the grunts.

554 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:52:19pm

#545 reaganite

And the worst part of the services' early infatuation with AAMs was that training suffered drastically between Korea and Vietnam...Many of our fighter pilots went into SE Asia unprepared to fight at gun range, and paid a steep price. Hence, Top Gun and the "Flag" exercises.

555 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:54:02pm

#554 GoesTo11

Many of our fighter pilots went into SE Asia unprepared to fight at gun range, and paid a steep price. Hence, Top Gun and the "Flag" exercises.

But as usual, our forces adapted and overcame. We only lost in Viet Nam because of the left.

556 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:54:22pm

#553 reaganite,

You can't win a war with airpower alone. Airpower just makes it easier for the grunts.

How well I know that, I've called them in many times to bail our sorry a$$es out. LOL!

557 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:55:21pm

#556 'Nam Grunt

I've called them in many times to bail our sorry a$$es out. LOL!

And they always came when called.

558 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:58:28pm

reaganite 551

I doubt any of them are left even in the bone yard. But not a bad suggestion.

I could see the report:

And a squadron of F-18's from the SUPER Carrier USS Ronald Reagan was lead by a single "restored" F-8 Crusader, the squadron destroyed the Allah Snakbar nuclear enrichment facility near one-eyed goatville. The Crusader's pilot diped his wings then did a low flyby of Mecca on the way back to the deck of the USS Ronald Reagan.

Some say the pilot who swaggered from the Crusader resembeled GWB, but we know Bush is resting at his ranch in Texas.

Heh,heh, who says you can not have a little humor in war?

559 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 1:59:49pm

#557 reaganite,

And they always came when called.

The FO's always played rock 'n roll for us too. ;-)

560 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:02:11pm

DUers and the troops ... an illuminating thread ...

and the post-mortem ...

Charles ... you may want to take a look at this.

561 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:04:11pm

Ok...here is the McCain Spanish power line incident:

This is a special place for me to talk about the future of our military. I remember well my days serving on the USS Intrepid in the early 1960s. I loved flying off carriers, but there were occasional setbacks -- like the time I knocked down power lines while flying a bit too low over southern Spain, cutting off the electricity to a great many Spanish homes and creating a minor international incident. Not the Navy's greatest moment, nor mine for that matter.

562 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:05:53pm

#554 reaganite

"But as usual, our forces adapted and overcame. We only lost in Viet Nam because of the left."

It's like the Vietnam vets' bumper stickers that said, "When I left, we were winning."

The jihadis took good notes. If we lose this war, it will be lost at home, not on the front lines...like Vietnam. By the time Saigon fell, our enemies today already had their blueprint for victory.

563 easy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:10:07pm

#560 Jheka

I particullary liked this comment:

He can't talk until he's out, at which point maybe he'll talk about torture, civilian killing, chemical weapons use, looting, corruption, imperialism, bigotry, abuse, intimidation, snipers, urban warfare, propaganda, etc...
564 whiterasta  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:10:09pm

Paul and Heather McCartney protest the seal hunt:

//abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=entertainment& amp;id=3950923

I'd laugh if some big, burly seal hunters took her leg and clubbed a baby seal with it.

G-d, I'm an evil bastard, aren't I?

565 GoesTo11  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:18:19pm

BTW, since we're (somewhat) on the subject, I just finished an oustanding book a couple of weeks ago. Air Power, by Stephen Budiansky, isn't so much a names-and-engagements linear history as it is a chronicle of the evolution of airpower doctrine and a study of how the philosophies of employing airpower on the battlefield have changed through various conflicts from WW1 up through Afghanistan and Iraq. Fascinating stuff for those seeking insight into the evolution of today's strategies.

566 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:18:26pm

#563 easy:

God forbid that our military engage in intimidation and urban warfare ... the horror ...

Well, in any case, he won't be saying anything on DU ...

567 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:19:09pm

#564 whiterasta,

That wasn't nice!

568 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:23:20pm

Here is one from a sick soul called Jara_sang

Well, not verbatim, they like to throw in their lies and vitriol. Hey! Inbred conservatives! "vitriol" is corrosive acid made from sulfur dioxide, as in that shit that spews from your asses, I mean mouths, you know what? They are the same fucking thing. You limp-dick, incestuous, disease ridden, piles of shit.

Wow! His other post was about how loveless conservatives are. Heheheheh.

569 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:25:04pm

Jheka

Can you explain the dynamic of that thread? Was it a DU poster tells the truth about his Iraq experience, and they didn't like it so they whacked the thread?

Or they detecting him as not a real DUer?

570 whiterasta  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:26:27pm

Nam Grunt:

"That wasn't nice!" Yes. Thank you for that compliment.

Nothing gets me riled up more than rich bitches like McCartney and his wife screwing poor people out of making a living.

571 whiterasta  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:29:19pm

McCartney and his ilk are like the useless socialites who go to the ghettos at Christmas to teach poor kids how to say, "Creme Brulet."

572 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:33:04pm

whiterasta

McCartney and his ilk are like the useless socialites who go to the ghettos at Christmas to teach poor kids how to say, "Creme Brulet."

That is funny.

573 Jheka  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:38:09pm

Jehu:
He was apparently a real DUer since, back in May, he wrote about how he was being deployed to Iraq. Apparently, they "tombstoned" (banned him) because they weren't getting the responses that they wanted which, in their world, obviously meant that he was a troll and a disruptor and then locked the thread because he couldn't respond (because they banned him). They're open minded like that.

Here is his DU profile, as shown on Conservative Underground.

Note that the second thread that I linked is also locked. Asking why someone was banned is forbidden and can get someone banned. Discussions about why someone may have been banned between DUers are also forbidden, btw.

574 SaneInMN  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:39:20pm

File this under believable, unfortunately.

A reporter working for REUTERS covering President Bush's visit to Afghanistan decided to dial a WANTED Taliban commander, have a chat, and then PUBLISH the Taliban's threat against our President!

From [Link: www.hughhewitt.com...]

"The Taliban deputy leader and former defense minister Mullah Abdullah Akhund said on Wednesday that Bush's "secret visit" showed the Taliban had a strong control over Afghanistan."

"If the American president's visit had been announced in advance, the Taliban mujahideen would have greeted him with rockets and attacks. But Bush proved his cowardice by coming on a secret visit as a thief," he told Reuters by satellite telephone.

"The Taliban mujahideen want to tell the American president ... that they will continue attacking your Afghan puppets and American forces, will continue sending bodies of American soldiers to America and this jihad will go on."

This reporter should IMMEDIATELY be arrested, INTERROGATED, and DEPORTED. His sat phone should be confiscated, and the WH should call a presser denouncing this and other BS that our SEDITIOUS media constantly presents as news.

575 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:41:43pm
576 jehu  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:42:51pm

Jheka

Thanks. Pretty opened minded aren't they? Protectors of the 1st and all. Some of them you could almost imagining them masturbating at their keyboards as they asked if he has seen American atrocities.

These people hate America...why are they here? Someone once told me flies have no useful ecological niche. Maybe there are humans that really are just an annoyance...buzzing around, no real purpose.

577 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:58:12pm

What aircraft leaves a "donuts on a rope" contrail like this?

/one that's very secret and very, very fast!

578 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 2:59:07pm

#577 Killian Bundy

What aircraft leaves a "donuts on a rope" contrail like this?

V-1?

579 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:07:32pm
#578 reaganite

What aircraft leaves a "donuts on a rope" contrail like this?
V-1?

Definitely also some type of pulse jet, but these are recent photographs, sometimes taken of the New Mexico sky.

/Spitfire'd never catch whatever's leaving these

580 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:08:33pm

#579 Killian Bundy

but these are recent photographs, sometimes taken of the New Mexico sky.

Then I blame atmospherics.

581 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:33:10pm
#580 reaganite

Then I blame atmospherics.

Probably, I was wrong, it was Nevada.

/besides, NASA holds the jet powered speed record now anyway, Mach 6 is boring

582 JollyFatMan  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:34:50pm

#560 Jeka,

Thanks for the post! I looked it over and I didn't see him make any out of place comments. I get the impression he is either an officer or an senior NCO from comments that talking politics with thte troops is frowned upon.

The eating the local food is 'officially' forbidden, but troops that have access to local food will eat the local food, commander be damned.

Granted, I'm a Fobbit these days, but I have no indications getting to me that what he said is an inaccurate assessment of what is going on here. The troop moral is VERY high, the Iraqi military is making progress, the bad guys are getting whacked on a regular basis. Nothing he said seemed out of whack.

I think he was banned because he wasn't anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-'name that vitriol' and that bothers DU.

Am I the only active poster in Iraq? There must be others as well. What gets me is the DU posters acted like they had no access whatsoever to people that are serving here.


JFM

583 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:36:42pm

#581 Killian Bundy

Probably, I was wrong, it was Nevada.

Think of it this way, if it was a pulse jet type engine traveling those kinds of speeds and the pulses were that far apart. Each pulse would likely tear apart any aircraft.

584 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:43:40pm

#391 Keepandbear

The United States Armed Services DOES NOT NOR HAS IT EVER ADVOCATED KILLING CIVILIANS.

Why would the US military would ever advocate killing civilians? Civilians = non-combatants or indirect supporters

We will sacrifice our own Service People in order to prevent the killing of civilians

No, only if we have already been committed into the region. Did we send in airborne divsisions to stop the slaughter of Jews in WWII? Did we send in the US Army when Saddam began slaughtering Iraqis in the uprising of 1991? Rwanda?

585 jpsfudimo  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:50:13pm

#581 Killian Bundy 3/1/2006 05:33PM PST

Here is a page on a project called Aurora.

It has photos of those doughnut contrails


The Aurora page

586 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 3:54:52pm
#583 reaganite

Think of it this way, if it was a pulse jet type engine traveling those kinds of speeds and the pulses were that far apart. Each pulse would likely tear apart any aircraft.

So, aze you saying PDE/PWDE engines don't exist?

/'casuse if they did, that's, theoretically, what their contrail would look like

587 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:01:37pm

#586 Killian Bundy

So, aze you saying PDE/PWDE engines don't exist?

/'casuse if they did, that's, theoretically, what their contrail would look like

You know what "they" say about the simplest explanations being the best.....

/It was aliens with green skin and pointy ears and big eyes....

588 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:02:56pm
#585 jpsfudimo

Here is a page on a project called Aurora.

That's a rumor, certainly no such project has ever been acknowledged.

/too bad they retired the SR-71 though, sometimes they came in real handy when satellites just wouldn't do, too costly to maintain I heard

589 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:04:49pm

#587 Swamps

That would be parsimony, or Occam's Razor (sp?)...

590 reaganite  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:05:50pm

#586 Killian Bundy

So, aze you saying PDE/PWDE engines don't exist?

I have no idea, way above my pay grade. But you may as well say this exists. It would be a more rational explanation.

Really, to have pulses so far apart you could see them, at the speeds you are talking about, would be catastrophic to any airframe.

591 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:09:31pm

#589 CTP

That would be parsimony, or Occam's Razor (sp?)...

Occam's razor--is that that new really close-shaving multi-bladed razor from Gillette?

/Yeah, I know....

592 jumpininhere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:13:29pm

Are the Heathers here? "Allo Heathers!" Love, not-Heather.

593 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:14:58pm

#591 Swamps

Heh....
--------------------------------------
Main Entry: par·si·mo·ny
Pronunciation: 'pär-s&-"mO-nE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English parcimony, from Latin parsimonia, from parsus, past participle of parcere to spare
1 a : the quality of being careful with money or resources : THRIFT b : the quality or state of being stingy
2 : economy in the use of means to an end; especially : economy of explanation in conformity with Occam's razor (bold added)

594 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:15:31pm

#592 jumpinhere

Apparently I'm a head Heather of sorts, secondary only to Reaganite IIRC. Do you have a question about Heather protocol that you need answered?

595 Heather#1  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:15:35pm

#592 jumpininhere

Are the Heathers here?

Why?

596 jumpininhere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:16:47pm

Just trying to stir things up. That's all.

Love,

not-Heather

597 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:17:25pm

#593 CTP

Heh. You are going to give ME a lesson on the meaning of words?

/I may not be a professor, but I'm damn sure on good terms with a dictionary!

598 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:19:26pm

#596 jumpinhere

Just trying to stir things up. That's all.

Love,

not-Heather

You want to stir things up? Jump up to the top thread and tell Cato that learning classical languages is a colossal waste of time....

599 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:19:59pm

#597 Swamps

Heh -- I would never presume to give you a lesson on anything -- just posted it because it was interesting to see the definition... Sort of like:

Main Entry: Ock·ham
Variant(s): or Oc·cam /'ä-k&m/
Function: biographical name
William of circa 1285-?1349 English philosopher; best known for Occam's Razor, a philosophical rule that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex
- Ock·ham·is·tic or Oc·cam·is·tic /"ä-k&-'mis-tik/ adjective

600 jumpininhere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:21:15pm

Yeah, Cato, What she said. Waste of time. Classical stuff. Waste of time. Get with the program.

601 realwest  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:26:45pm

596 jumpininhere -"Just trying to stir things up"
IIRC- those were Bigels last words on LGF!

602 jumpininhere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:28:27pm

Am I banned? Oh, please don't let me be banned! Bigel, help, I don't wanna be banned!

603 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:30:05pm

#601 RealWest

IIRC- those were Bigels last words on LGF!

By Jove, I believe you're right!

604 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:36:00pm

Somedays I just get so tired of the Bush bashing that I wish he would step down and let Cheney take over. Oh that would be real entertainment to watch the LLLs' heads explode.

605 jumpininhere  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:36:33pm

The Heathers! They have me by the throat! I'm done for! AAAAARRRRG . . . I'm a gonner.

606 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:40:01pm

#421 'Nam Grunt

I know I'm late to the thread but I just had to put my $.02 in. The fact that you carry this incident as a weight, speaks volumes about your character. Just compare yourself to the jihadis we are fighting. You are one of the good guys and may God relieve you of "your weight". Thank you very much for your service.

We can't thank the Vietnam vets enough considering the homecomings they had to endure. I was there for my best friend when he returned and it wasn't pretty. He later became my best man at my wedding. I still consider him a better man than I.

607 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:41:43pm

Here is a link I found to a British patriot trying to save his country the only way he knows how....with information about the Muslim invasion.

[Link: www.actioninengland.gb.com...]

608 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:45:26pm

#606 Gee Wiz

Hey, Gee! How's the quest for the Perfect Woman (or at least good enough) going?

609 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 4:46:37pm

An excerpt from the site...

It seems that we have lost our capital city to the Muslims. They rampaged around Trafalgar Square last Saturday (4th Feb). They have the police's permission to rampage around it again this Saturday (11th Feb) and they have every intention of rampaging again next Saturday (18th Feb). We have been warned to keep away by the police, and by the BNP, who say we are being led into a trap whereby the left will use every means to discredit us.

You might wonder why the Muslims always go to Trafalgar Square. Here is your answer: "Trafalgar Square is our Mecca" - altmuslim.com

The intruders are passionate, single minded, motivated and unafraid. We Brits, for the most part, are apathetic, disinterested, cowardly and fatalistic. We need to change that if we are to save our country. Time is running out. In twenty years they will have overrun us entirely.

These invaders have been aided and abetted by our very own government, leaders of our church and our institutions. May they all rot in Hell for their part in it. We must do what we can to oust these traitors from power.

You have three choices now, you British people: You can fight back with every legal means at your disposal; You can run away and join others who have deserted what they see as a sinking ship; You can learn Arabic and Islamic law. Your choice. Those who run this website have made theirs.

610 sandspur  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:09:35pm

Reaganite,if you are still around.
IIRC, you were reading "Flyboys" recently.
Did you finish it and would you recommend it?

611 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:15:11pm

#608 SwampWoman

LOL! Not seeking the "perfect woman" but a particular woman. I shunned her when I was not ready (she was) and when I'm ready, she's not open for it. Ain't life a bitch. Oh well, been there done that.

BTW, thanks for asking.

{Swamps}

612 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:40:33pm

#611 Gee Wiz

Henh. Life IS a bitch! After bein' pampered and protected (well, sort of) for 29 years, I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to behave as a single female. I never actually cared for dating much when I was single; I preferred going out with a group of friends. I doubt I'd like it any better as an adult.

/No doubt I'd get caught up on all my reading.

613 nigella  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:50:38pm

I can't say this is OT but its' not part of the current topics, but has anyone seen the latest headline from AP? Its' "leaked" transcripts from Bush, Chertoff and Brown before during and after katrina. Ap implies that Bush knew before katrina hit that the levees would breech and people wouldn't have a way out. It portrays Brown as a prophet and Bush and Chertoff as the anti- Christ. Powerline exposes all the lies and I would suggest you go there to read it. Sorry I still can't link. I promise to have my husband teach me how.

614 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:55:42pm

#612 SwampWoman

You got that right! I was married for almost 25 years and attached for an additional 3 years (I married young), I can definitely identify with your feelings. When the divorce came, I was un-prepared for the dating thingy.

No doubt I'd get caught up on all my reading

LOL! Yea, did that!

615 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 5:59:06pm

#613 nigella

I saw some of the video and listened to some of the audio and I was left with a different impression.

616 cbinflux  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:00:06pm

Send Dutch bus back, say Serb nationalists

[let the bus jokes/songs begin...]

Nationalists in a Serbian town are calling on local authorities to send back a donated Dutch bus because it comes from the country hosting the U.N. war crimes tribunal, which is prosecuting prominent Serb suspects.

Local members of the opposition Radical Party, whose leader Vojislav Seselj is in detention awaiting trial at the tribunal, say the tulip-painted bus given to the town of Pirot in southeastern Serbia is an insult.

"They should not even think of putting that trash on the streets," said local Radical leader Boban Vojinovic. "Serbian Radicals want no charity from those who are keeping our bravest and most honourable men."

But Mayor Milan Popovic said the donation could not be returned because Pirot needed buses...

Popovic said "our people shouldn't be tried abroad", but added this "does not mean we should not cooperate and accept assistance".

The Netherlands embassy in Belgrade said it regretted the attitude of the Pirot Radical Party members.

"This bus was paid for by taxpayers in Holland and of course has nothing whatever to do with the international court for war crimes in the former Yugoslavia,"...

Thousands of Radical supporters demonstrated against the tribunal in Belgrade last week, as the Serbian government faced further censure from the European Union for failing to arrest Bosnian Serb commander Ratko Mladic, a top war crimes fugitive.

617 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:01:33pm

#614 Gee Wiz

You got that right! I was married for almost 25 years and attached for an additional 3 years (I married young), I can definitely identify with your feelings. When the divorce came, I was un-prepared for the dating thingy.

Heh. Yeah, I got married as a teen, too.

618 Baldy  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:06:52pm

Belgium Misplaces Convicted Terrorist

A court in the Belgian city of Bruges sentenced the female terrorist, who was captured operating under a false name, to four years in jail on Tuesday. She was found guilty of using false identification, forming a gang, and carrying unlicensed weapons.

Not only do Europeans not execute, or extradite, they also give soft sentences. Good place for terrorists. Interpol called...

619 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:11:30pm

#617 SwampWoman

Actually, I must confess that I married at the ripe old age of 23, she was 20.

Oh my, I may have just revealed how much of an old fart I am.

620 nigella  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:14:13pm

Gee Whiz, after reading the remarks from powerline, I agree that my impression was different than AP, but my point was that AP was insinuating that Bush had prior knowledge that the levees would breech and people would die and he did nothing. I thought it was just the msm's attempt at the scandal of the day.

621 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:15:34pm

#619 Gee Wiz

You were an actual adult when you got married! I've been married my entire adult life.

622 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:17:40pm

#620 Nigella

Gee Whiz, after reading the remarks from powerline, I agree that my impression was different than AP, but my point was that AP was insinuating that Bush had prior knowledge that the levees would breech and people would die and he did nothing. I thought it was just the msm's attempt at the scandal of the day.

Heh. It wouldn't have mattered if the Angel Gabriel would have appeared to him in a burning bush at the foot of the bed and announced that New Orleans was goin' under; it was still the Lousiana government's responsibility to get their residents to safety. (Not to mention that the residents had a significant responsibility for their own well-being, of course.)

623 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:18:54pm

#618 Baldy

Not only do Europeans not execute, or extradite, they also give soft sentences. Good place for terrorists. Interpol called...

Hey! If I want to go on a crime spree, I'll go on a European vacation!

/I'll just not draw any cartoons or hurt anybody feelings while I'm looting and pillaging.

624 raidergirl  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:19:37pm

#622 Swamp Woman, agree!
How do I send a really funny email to lgf? I am totally computer illiterate!

625 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:21:36pm

#620 nigella

And you were surprised by the MSM's portrait of the Katrina episode, why? BDS has a hold on the MSM tighter than a boa constrictor on it's prey.

626 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:27:41pm

#621 SwampWoman

Which makes it that more embarassing to make such a bad decision. Oh well, live and learn. At least I have 3 wonderful children from the bargain!

627 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:34:16pm

#624 RaiderGirl

How do I send a really funny email to lgf? I am totally computer illiterate!

Heh. I'm functionally illiterate myself; just know enough to be a danger to myself and others.

The only thing I can figure is copy it to your clipboard and then paste it to a comment.

628 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:36:01pm

#626 Gee Wiz

Which makes it that more embarassing to make such a bad decision. Oh well, live and learn. At least I have 3 wonderful children from the bargain!

Well, at the turn of the century your marriage wouldn't have lasted as long as it did because likely she would have died from complications of childbirth before that 25th anniversary.

/If you want to get all cheered up.

629 quark2  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:42:39pm

@617 Swampess

I've lots of good books, we can swap. :)

630 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 6:44:54pm

#628 SwampWoman

Thanks, LOL!

Lost the wife, kept the children. Good trade in Wizard's world.

Thanks for the support!

631 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:18:19pm

#629 Quark

I've lots of good books, we can swap. :)

Well, if we're both widows or divorcees, maybe we better pass on the bodice rippers.

632 GeeWiz  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:19:19pm

Nite all.
Thanks to Charles and all of you fellow lizardoids for bringing an oasis of sanity to an increasingly insane world!

633 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:19:34pm

#630 gee wiz

Thanks, LOL!

Lost the wife, kept the children. Good trade in Wizard's world.

Thanks for the support!

There you go! You lost the wife, kept the children, and didn't have to dig a hole in the backyard. Sounds like it's all good.

634 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 1, 2006 7:20:29pm

G'nite, Gee!

I'm not so sure that I could be likened to an oasis of sanity.

635 GotFrags?  Thu, Mar 2, 2006 5:23:14am

Further to my posting above (#47) regarding the CT ban on "colored handguns", it seems that the legislation was merely proposed, not enacted. My apologies for having posted otherwise.

At any rate, the Coalition of CT Sportsmen has issued the following opposition statement.


COALITION OF CONNECTICUT SPORTSMEN

P.O. Box 2506, Hartford, CT 06146, (203) 245-8076

www.ctsportsmen.com ccsct@erols.com

Testimony presented to the Public Safety and Security Committee, February 28, 2006

IN OPPOSITION to Raised Bill 304, AN ACT CONCERNING COLORED HANDGUNS

by Robert T. Crook, Director

The purpose of this bill is - To ban the possession, manufacture or sale of handguns that are coated with various colors. We have to question WHY? Is there a problem? We perceive the concern is that police may interpret a “colored “ handgun to be a toy and thus inadvertently shoot someone not presenting a danger.

When a cop has to fire his weapon, there is a life on the line. The life of either a cop or an innocent civilian – self-preservation or “Protect & Serve” - and he has to do it immediately. If he doesn’t, the great likelihood is that the criminal is going to fire and somebody may die. You don’t shoot people to catch them, you shoot people to keep them from killing someone. He who hesitates is dead.

Identification of the weapon is the optimum, but most times not possible. There are many instances of persons shot because they did not obey police orders and procedures and virtually all are justified. Police officers and members of the military are taught to aim at “center mass.” A massive survey of shooting incidents involving New York Police Department showed that in 70 percent of police shootings, officers didn’t have time to actually line up their sights and aim. The incident occurs so rapidly and at such close quarters that taking up a sight picture was not possible. This proposal asks them to identify the color?

We have searched virtually all firearm websites and can find NO handguns sold in pastel colors. Smith & Wesson had a “Ladysmith” handgun some years ago with pastel colors, but appears to have discontinued the line. Will we prosecute ex post facto? Handguns come in many other variations of colors other than those listed: STAINLESS STEEL, MATTE STAINLESS STEEL, SHADOW GRAY, MATTE SHADOW GRAY, BRIGHT BLUE, Commemorative Models, many with ornate gold inlays, and Two-Tone, BLUE (Receiver)-GOLD (Trigger/Safety)-PEARL (Grips), Ultra-lite-Alloy/Titanium (Silver Frame) Blue (Barrel/cylinder). Camouflage handguns are also a possibility in the future. Are citizen handgun owners, obeying the multitude of gun laws and considered “suitable” in order to get a pistol permit, now to be arrested (Class D Felony) for owning handguns based upon their preference in a color or potential color not listed in this bill?

In summary: We see NO documented problem, and if this bill were passed police would not react differently. Research on this bill obviously is deficient by inferring pastel guns are currently sold and not including other colors. Imposing continuing Ban proposals and restrictions, affecting the wrong segment of society and reducing rights, will clearly not affect criminal possession/use.

We urge Rejection.

Thank you.

636 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Mar 3, 2006 6:45:18am

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