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Google Purges People's Cube

Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 5:12:58 pm PST

Has Google purged Marxist parody site The People’s Cube from its search index? It certainly looks like it, while jihad sites openly advocating for Al Qaeda continue to be included, both in Google’s search index and as legitimate news at Google News.

UPDATE at 3/13/06 2:57:48 pm:

Matt Cutts suggests a more likely possibility: SEO Advice: check your own site.

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1 deadmaus  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:14:54pm

I see

2 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:15:08pm

Drudge was listing this new search engine today. I've been playing with it and so far it seems pretty good.

I'm really trying to stay away from google.

3 zombie  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:15:18pm

Hmmm al-Qaeda good, making fun of Marx bad.

The world is upside-down.

4 Portolan  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:16:07pm

How much more obvious can they get? First they cave to the ChiComms, then they allow terrorists to have their voices heard, now this.

5 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:17:49pm

Oops...butterfingers!

6 deadmaus  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:18:24pm

#2 reaganite

I've been playing with it and so far it seems pretty good.

You are not wrong ( the search that is)..help...how do I stop playing with it?

7 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:18:53pm
8 Portolan  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:19:27pm

#2 reaganite

Thanks for the link. That's my new homepage, now.

9 P. Aaron  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:17pm

All in the name of diversity one supposes.

10 Stormy  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:26pm

Methinks that should read "legitimate news".

11 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:33pm

I thought google's motto was, "do no evil."

Well, it is long past 1984 now.

War is peace.

Good is bad and bad is good.

The criminal is the victim and the victim is the criminal.

See? Easy as that.

12 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:35pm

#6 deadmaus

how do I stop playing with it?

Well, sorry, I can't help you there! Just get a razor for your palms!

13 zombie  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:36pm

As I've emailed Charles recently, Yahoo bans the word Allah from its users, but not any other religious names.

I forgot whether or not this was ever made into a thread on LGF.

Banned Words (on Yahoo):

allah
binladen
osama
[bigoted word]
yahoo
security
admin
fuck
asshole
****

Allowed Words:

god
messiah
jesus
jehova
yahweh
savior
buddah
quran
koran
mohammad
islam
usama
nazi
satan
devil
jihad
terrorist
suicide
murder
kill
priest
pedophile
rape
sex
pussy
cock
penis
rapeismyhobby1
pedophilepriest88
killallmuslimsandarabs1
nazisaremybestfriends
jewskilledjesus999
iloveadolfhitler293409
wasapmahniggah8888

14 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:20:45pm

Google

15 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:21:48pm

Someone here posted about Clusty weeks ago and it has yet to let me down ...


Google -- not anti-war, just on the other side ...
:-(

16 Stormy  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:22:35pm

#13 zombie

I belive there was a thread a while back, but Yahoo! no longer has that policy.

17 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:23:19pm

You avoid google, and you try Yahoo. Then you learn that Yahoo's just as bad, and you try something else. The only problem is, you don't know the political leanings/hanky-panky that the others are hiding. Is there any kind of page out there that rates the less common search engines (Alta-vista, Lycos, Jeeves, etc.) for political monkey business?

18 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:25:34pm

# 2 reag

I'm intrigued -- they openly brag about partnering with China Daily Information Company -- are they censoring? What do they have for Tinnamen results?

19 Portolan  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:26:01pm

Wow, I never would have found ThePeoplesCube if it wasn't for Google's stupidity.

20 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:28:03pm
21 zombie  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:28:15pm
#2 reaganite
Drudge was listing this new search engine today. I've been playing with it and so far it seems pretty good.

Hmmm, I just tried it, but it wasn't so good for me. In fact, it paled in comparison to Google:

Accoona: Results 1 - 10 of 3,377 for zombietime.

Google: Results 1 - 30 of about 98,600 for zombietime.

No comparison.

I'm really trying to stay away from google.

I say the best plan is to use the best tool to help the cause. The number of clicks to Google done by LGFers is sub-microscopic compared to their global total. Boycotting Google will probably only hurt you, not them.

Better plan is to keep up the pressure on Google, politically.

22 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:28:38pm

#18 Buckaroo

What do they have for Tinnamen results?

Well, see here.

23 mineral  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:28:59pm

I remember that people's cube had a sister site that sold che shirts. They were really funny. chemart, I think. Cafepress wouldn't print their shirts for them.

24 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:29:01pm

# 17 E2m

In the thread this morning people have several suggestions in the comments

Plus suggestions in the above commments ...

CHARLES -- do you plan to axe Google on the LGF search? I mean, how bad do they have to be to get tossed outta here?!

25 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:29:22pm

OT, but I just noticed the "now playing" CD.
I thought I was the only Preston Reed fan still standing. He is one awesome guitarist. "Bush Street Beehive" remains one of my all-time favorite pieces.

26 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:31:02pm

#21 zombie

Better plan is to keep up the pressure on Google, politically.

It seems lately the more google is exposed, the more we find more back door dealings with terrorists, dictators and communists.

27 Apu Pibat  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:31:27pm

Well, google's motto is "don't be evil"

Evidently, lampooning failed communist/leftist principles is evil. So naturally they had to go.

28 zombie  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:31:42pm
#17 Earth2moonbat
Is there any kind of page out there that rates the less common search engines (Alta-vista, Lycos, Jeeves, etc.) for political monkey business?

Stay away from Ask Jeeves. I know people who work there. The office is total Moonbat Sensurround®.

Not only is it a lame search engine, it's run by LLLs. Fuggedaboutit.

29 m  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:31:46pm

#2 reaganite

Drudge was listing this new search engine today. I've been playing with it and so far it seems pretty good.

I'm really trying to stay away from google.

I did the site:jihadunspun.com search and came up with nada. That's awesome. Now if they would only add the handy dandy image search, they might just have my bidness forevah!

30 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:33:05pm

# 21 z

I disagree zombie -- so accona has fewer results for you -- people looking are still gonna find your site!

Google lives on hits -- no hits, no revenue -- like taking away air -- I say it's a lizardoid duty to suffocate those who would aid our enemies!

31 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:33:13pm

#29 m

Now if they would only add the handy dandy image search, they might just have my bidness forevah!

Yeah, I noticed the lack of image search. I hope they add it.

32 little old engineer  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:33:33pm

I use [Link: search.msn.com...] I have found it very good.

33 mineral  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:33:45pm

An open letter to Google from the People's Cube

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Dear Messrs. Brin and Page:

May we take this opportunity to applaud your decision on accepting technical guidance from the Communist Party of China in your creative Google China project, and to extend our admiration for your recognition that search technologies are best left in the hands of responsible government entities (the U.S. imperialist government doesn't fall into that category, of course).

There has been, however, a misunderstanding of sorts, which we must point out to you. To wit - where is this page?

34 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:34:59pm

# 22 reag

Hm -- not a bad mix -- I'm sold ...

35 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:36:35pm

# 32 l o e

I suppose you only shop at wal-mart too ...
/jk

/I sometimes use msn as a secondary search engine ...

36 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:37:25pm
while jihad sites openly advocating for Al Qaeda continue to be included

And don't for get this cazy terrorist loving website: ukrunet.

37 reaganite  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:37:56pm

#34 Buckaroo

Hm -- not a bad mix -- I'm sold ...

I'm not sold yet, but it's getting my attention.

38 Cartman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:38:07pm

Sigh. So much for the advocacy of free speech and public domain. The left writes their own version on the fly.

We know what's best for you folks. We always have.
39 little old engineer  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:39:00pm

Has anyone ever used http://www.mamma.com/

They say they are the Mother of all Search Engines.

40 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:41:00pm

# 39 l o e

Well, it appears they use google in their metasearches so -- that's no good fer me ...

41 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:43:18pm

It's only free speech if the Left is talking.

42 Cartman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:44:46pm

The better the underlying code for search algorithms, the better the search host. Google didn't make it to the top by mistake or happenstance. What's gonna bite them in the arse is deliberate filtering and manipulation applied to their own brilliant engine code.

43 realwest  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:47:37pm

#30 Buckaroo I've been thinking about this since the earlier thread and have to say that I agree with you. Folks will still see zombietime and even if LGF'ers and our friends avoid it, we might make them a little more short of breath!
As I posted on that earlier thread:
although I do believe in free enterprize, someone should remind Google, Yahoo and MSN, that the free exchange of ideas is one of the lynchpins of America.
That they make profit out of censoring and/or collaborating with other nations to squelch freedom of ideas is directly antihical to the interest of the USA, which sees the spread of democracy (necessitating freedom of speech) as in OUR best interests and National Security.
Maybe we should remind these capitalist running dogs of that by imposing special taxation on their
asses assets for engaging in conduct in an overseas market which involves the censorship of free speech.

44 Orson Buggy  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:49:45pm

I'm sticking with live.com for now. Zombietime in the search field renders over 13000 hits.

It's beta, it's microsoft, and it's NOT google.

45 MacStansbury  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:51:17pm

here's something that I found out: Google is starting to cheat with RSS feeds. if it finds an RSS feed, it judges whether or not the feed is full-content or not, if it is, it will only use that information for getting its search results. it costs you less bandwidth, and still gives you accurate searches. however, if your RSS feed is F'd up, you won't get nothing. especially if it's an Atom feed (Google Blog Search's first choice).

not to get too technical, might want to check to see if the RSS feeds are working right over there. also, a slip of the .htaccess file will block Google, as will a server configuration.

HOWEVER...that's a purge. as an amateur Google expert, that's what happens when Google drops you.

here's how you prove it: Google Blog Search: the people's cube

either entire chunks of the internet are being "misplaced" or Google's purposefully punishing those who don't obey.

46 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:53:14pm

#13 zombie
Orwell's newspeak is taking root at Yahwehoo --right before our eyes. It's all about the destruction of language, and of thought.

Obliviously, they will soon have no security, or sys-admin worth a damn.

47 spam spam spam spam  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:54:13pm

Funny, with large grains of truth:

The Socialist Brain of a Liberal Democrat

48 zombie  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:54:18pm

I do "deep research" on the Web all the time, looking for info on the most obscure of obscure topics. I use any and every tool available to me. Like it or not, I have found that Google gives by far the best results in the majority of cases. I find things with Google that I can't be found with any other search engine. Google may be flawed, and may have a political agenda, but their product is a tool that can be used by everyone, whatever their political persuasion, for good or ill.

Google is a multi-multi-billion dollar global corporation. Any individualized boycotts we do will basically go unnoticed by Google. The number of hits they get per minute is (metaphorically) incalculable. Why should I hobble myself and my efforts to help The Cause just to make a tiny political statement that will have no effect and go unnoticed?

It's better, I say, to use the entire Web arsenal -- including Google -- to work to undermine the red/green alliance. Just as Lenin said that the capitalists will sell the rope that will be used to hang them, Google will provide the tools that will be used to undermine them.

49 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 3:58:54pm

The founders of google were probabaly like anyone else here. Just ordinary folks.

Once they got to be Uber Wealthy, they got infected with the White Liberal Guilt virus.

I can imagine the Welfare Classes beating on their doors, damanding money to support Leftist Moonbat causes.

Too bad they did not have the stones to say to the Welfare Classes, "Go and get a job."

50 Cartman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:05:04pm

#48 zombie

Agreed. If you don't find what you're looking for, search elsewhere. And if you have a website/blog and your metadata is not up to snuff, change it! Also, everyone who publishes should keep in mind that your place in the line for the major search engines has basically become "pay-per-view". Ah, the price of capitalism. ;)

51 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:06:57pm

# 49 w r

The ex went to school with one of the founders -- U. Michigan ...


'nuff said ...

52 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:10:14pm

Interesting that when I try typing in
site: peoplescube
I get sites that link to it or references to peoplescube, so their purge isn't complete.

Anyway, thanks for the site; another one to enjoy.

53 varmint  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:10:54pm

the left does not practice "censorship". they merely protect people from "hate speech".

this deserves to be a huge story. think if daily kos got spiked. the media would be having a conniption.


[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

54 Buckaroo  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:14:54pm

# 53 v

OMG! That guy is hilarious! He's like the anti-Rall!
:-)

CHARLES -- you should blogroll Mr. Bergstrom!

55 reader  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 4:23:44pm

Gurgle, gurgle. Swallow, rinse. Click, spit, repeat again.

/a day in the life of a no-life search engine.

56 thinkingmom  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:07:36pm

Google's motto: Don't be evil...
...unless it affects the bottom line.

57 mich-again  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:17:26pm

Google showed 16,100 matches for "thepeoplescube" but they're all indirect matches from other websites.

58 gunjam  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:22:57pm

#2 reaganite 3/12/2006 05:15PM PST

I'm really trying to stay away from google.

Good comment on : Good intel.

Note to self: I really must be off my game today: I actually (completely) agree with Reaganite on something.

59 Trumpeter  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:33:26pm

Weblog links are very useful. They often have better leads than Al Qoockle.

Unfortunatley still we have to suffer it.

60 Max DarkSide  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:42:32pm

I notice that if you google "failure", W's biography appears. The only satisfaction I get from this is that Jimmy Carter's bio is the second link, then Moore's site.

61 Max DarkSide  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:43:03pm

I should say appears AGAIN. It didn't for a while, but now does AGAIN.

62 cokane  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 5:50:43pm

lol why don't u remove the google tool from ur website then u hypocritical slut?

63 Spiny Norman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 6:28:26pm

Hey! The 12-year-old is on his daddy's computer again.

Are you capable of writing in Standard English, or do they not teach that in public school anymore?

64 m  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 6:33:21pm

#63 Spiny Norman

Are you capable of writing in Standard English, or do they not teach that in public school anymore?

He can't help it. I believe he's a couple grams shy.

65 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 6:35:44pm

Spiny Norman

Cokhead thinks that if you jump on him for his writing skills (or lack thereof), then you really don't have any arguments to refute him.

...either that, or he's on drugs.

66 brian.most  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 6:53:59pm

Before everyone rags on Google, look at the history of The People's Cube's RSS feed in Bloglines. This starts on page 8 and runs for hundreds of pages.

[Link: brianm.org...]

With all those links, I'd expect Google would ban The People's Cube automatically. I'm assuming the site got hacked and that The People's Cube's didn't actually choose to run a porn linkfarm, but still -- the content was there. Google's removal was probably NOT done out of malice, but because this violates Google policy.

The People's Cube should probably contact Google about reinstatement, rather than talking conspiracy.

67 cheesel  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 7:00:38pm

Ok, that's it. I'm switching to Accoona.

68 lummox  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 7:02:33pm

cokane;


stfu & stfd.

69 lummox  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 7:05:09pm

Good, I can abide a troll who listens to reason.

70 mattm  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 7:16:01pm

You can still see LGF as the first result if you enter "littel Green Footballs" on GoogleChiCom

71 Spiny Norman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 7:32:55pm

#65 DesertSage

Spiny Norman

Cokhead thinks that if you jump on him for his writing skills (or lack thereof), then you really don't have any arguments to refute him.

I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who insists on using that IM crap. The only thing worse is that l33t h@x0rz nonsense. Childish Internet pig-latin.

72 cokane  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:00:42pm

lol another knub who says: I am correcting ur grammar harhar but then says "Cokhead" ... again anyone replying to the point i made? correcting grammar on the internet is the mating call of posters with no point.

73 Red Square  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:01:19pm

Wow! Such a response! Thank you guys! And keep the Cube rolling! Thank God registration to LGF was open today - I could finally register and post something. I had wanted to do this for a long time, only registration was always disabled before.

Answer to #66:

Yes, the Cube was being spammed but those posts were always being promptly deleted until I discovered a simple antidote that ended the spam without changing the coding - a week prior to being banned by Google. The ban was not gradual but sudden and world-wide. The connection is not likely.

About Bloglines: I had noticed earlier that Bloglines for some reason retained deleted spam messages in their cache forever, even if their actual life on the site was only a second. Hence the seeming abundance of them - while the site itself was clean. That's wrong as it defeats the purpose of moderating a forum. If I don't want spam, smut, or someone's idiotic opinions on my site, why should Bloglines display them? In any event, Bloglines didn't purge me - Google did. The spam you have recorded did not reside on my server, it was sitting on the Bloglines servers.

Spammers can really drag the site's ranking down, but going down to page 20 in results is not the same as a complete blocking of the URL which is the case here. I doubt that Google would ban the actual sites promoted by the spammers.

74 Red Square  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:20:49pm

In addition to previous:

Spammers have attacked many sites. Have all those sites been "airbrushed" out of existence by Google? If that were true, spammers would have run out of victims by now and with nothing to thrive on would be dropping dead in a ditch. But they are alive and kicking. If my ranking in other search engines didn't drop one bit, why would Google go over the top unless there was something else?

75 varmint  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:31:31pm

buckaroo

thanks, i'm not sure the site is "family friendly" enough for lgf.

my new money making scheme. i find the pakistani who's offering a million for the heads of blasphemous cartoonists. for ten thousand i will stick my head in a ceiling fan, for fifty thousand i will set my chest hair on fire. etc.


[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

76 brian.most  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:31:56pm

73 -- That feed is for front-page material, not comments, isn't it? Was that content sitting on your front page a while?

I'm not suggesting that this was intentional, not even saying you aren't a victim. But I'm saying this seems the far more likely hypothesis than does the leftist tilt. Anyone knows we see enough of that, but it's counterproductive to cry wolf.

77 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 8:36:58pm

cokane

again anyone replying to the point i made?

You made a point? I didn't notice...oh, unless calling Charles a slut was your point?

78 Spiny Norman  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 9:09:04pm

#72 cokane

correcting grammar on the internet is the mating call of posters with no point.

No, that would be posting barely literate ad hominems trying to insult the blog host.

79 MikeO  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 9:21:44pm

Here's simple truth: Sergey Brin came to this country not as a political refugee (like thousands of other Soviet Jews), but essentially as an immigrant from a wealthy family (his father is professor of math--in CCCP and in here). He has either no interest in politics, or he has an elitist left-leaning view. The bottom line: if he were to arrive from a not-so-well-to-do Russian Jewish family, he would never allow this left-leaning BS to continue...

Too bad!

80 resize  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 9:27:54pm

I have quit Google. No more. Game over.

81 Orbit Rain  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 10:00:48pm

...yeah...google is full of shit...they spiked my blog as a search-result a while back...I think I bitched about it here a year or two ago...meh...

Oh...and wayyyback when I created my University's College's webpage, I recall akebono having six listings for schools with pages...so it's not like I have no fucking clue about such things...people...

I think more congressional hearings are in order, and more cap-loss should be the penalty.

82 Orbit Rain  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 10:02:39pm

...oh...and most excellent site Red Square...

83 mineral  Sun, Mar 12, 2006 10:10:39pm

Before we try to get the msm to pick up on this (which might never happen anyway) I'd like to figure out what really happened.

Nice site red square. I hope this incident goes down in history as a victory for peoplescube, to be celebrated every year with a parade.

84 Baldy  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 3:01:15am

Hope China takes care of their new boys. China, slave capital of the world, organ harvester, forced abortions, gross polluters, persecutors of Richard Gere's friends. America is mistaken if we think these slime can change. They are just rich commies. Nice friends. Google: "Do Some Evil". Regime change for China.

85 The Albatross  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 3:12:08am

I'm avoiding Google at nearly all costs. This .com is really starting to become a major player in the voluntary censorship issue and I don't like it one little bit.

Ban em.

86 LemonJoose  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 4:59:02am

Well, Google's new best friend is the oppressive, Communist Chinese government, and I bet they do not appreciate people making fun of Marxism.

87 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 5:06:51am

Death to Google!

I hope the Feds succeed in prying information out of those fascists.

88 EvilPundit  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 10:46:16am

Some of the pictures at my site have been censored by Google Image Search -- the ones depicting Michael Moore were removed about a year and a half ago.

It looks like Google has been in the censorship business for a while now.

89 TS  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 12:05:42pm

Here's what Google says when asked if they purged The People's Cube from the search index:

Thank you for your note. It is Google's policy not to censor search
results. However, in response to local laws, regulations, or policies,
we
may do so. When we remove search results for these reasons, we display
a
notice on our search results pages. Please note: For some older
removals
(before March 2005), we may not show a notice at this time.

As you may know, our search results change regularly as we update our
index. We find new sites, incorporate updates to existing sites, and
lose
other sites, which also means that many sites' ranking will change.

It's our intent to represent the content of the internet fairly and
accurately. We don't manually assign keywords to sites, nor do we hand
adjust the ranking of sites in our search results. Sites' positions are
determined automatically by many factors, which are explained in more
detail at [Link: www.google.com...]

Regards,
The Google Team

90 Red Square  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 1:54:07pm

That's interesting -

Looks like the mighty Google started danmage control. Who is Matt Cutts? Just a regular blogger? No, he's an engineer at Google, and the retraction should have also mentioned that.

A few points if I may:

1. Google answered LGF but not me, whom they purged and who first asked them several times for the explanation.

2. I had expected from the start that in the even Google does anser, it will be about small irregularities that are inevitable when you build the site with your own hands. The sites linked from the Cube were the sites I built myself, and so I felt it was my right to promote them for the time being until they get picked up by the search engines. In no way it can be described as spamming or link farming.

3. Matt Cutts who gets paid by Google is not only a concerned party here, he is also NOT being intellectually honest - he has just removed a comment under his own explanation on his blog - a very valid comment explaining "invisible keywords" caused by Google's deficiency in factoring meta keywords - but I busted him by copying that page and making a screenshot of it. Why would he remove that post unless his motives were not pure intellectual inquiry - but damage control for his bosses?
5.

91 vp91  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 2:10:04pm

Red Square:

The fact remains that you are a spammer and tried to deny it at first. Then rushed to change your site. Too late, there is a cache.

link

So tell me again, who is trying to do damage control?

92 Red Square  Mon, Mar 13, 2006 5:34:08pm

The fact remains that barking moonbats are out today smelling blood.

If I'm a spammer then Google Current is an unbiased and truthful news video service, just like Air America.

As for the chances of the Cube being banned for a paragraph of relevant keywords and half-a dozen links, Frank Costanza said it well on Seinfeld when he landed with his butt on a corkscrew-shaped pasta, "It was a one in a billion chance Doc. One in a billion, maybe a trillion."

I know it for a fact that Google had quietly killed "incorrect" web pages in the past. And when it comes out Google will find a million plausible technical explanations.

Part of Google's damage control is to attack and discredit the victim. Oh gosh, what does that remind me of?

All the Moonbats have landed on the Cube now, spamming, trolling, and insulting. Oh yes, I'm the evil one! One might think I sided with a murderous communist dictatorship to make money by suppressing someone's freedom! Oh wait, that was Google who did that. I had to restrict posting to registered users - it used to be free for all before. Oh well.

It's indicative of their motives and tactics that they never answered me directly - instead they first went on LGF and tried to discredit me before a much larger audience. They sent emails to Michelle Malkin - and maybe to others.

They also made LGF post a link to Matt Cutts's blog - apparently without disclosing that Matt works for Google. I have found out that Matt is not being honest when he removed a comment on his blog that have a good explanation of what was happening.

One of the moonbats from this site [Link: www.xmule.ws...] even called phone numbers on my customers' sites and was harassing them with threats to be removed from Google. One of the customers/friends played me his idiotic message. His phone number is 1-832-818-6464. Please feel free to call anytime.

This looks like a well-oiled smear campaign by a group of people who know one another. I have removed a lot of trolling posts but also left a few for reference. The last thing in a debate is to look for motivation and they did it a lot. But their motivation is something that can actually put everything in its place. Whatever it is, it's not a dispassionate scientific inquiry.

93 harlan pepper  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 4:49:38am

i take red square's side on this one.

same thing happens on usenet regularly. the cabal (tinc)- like google, is answerable to nobody and cancels legitimate posts they don't like as "spam" on a daily basis. just take a look at control.cancel.

keep fighting the good fight, comrade.

94 Charles  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:26:28am

Red Square wrote:

They also made LGF post a link to Matt Cutts's blog - apparently without disclosing that Matt works for Google.

Not true. No one "made" me do anything.

95 Red Square  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:55:31am

Sorry if I'm over-reacting, but that's what the trolls on my sote stated while gloating over letters that had been dispatched asking for retraction, to LGF and Malkin. I'd really like to know what really happened - at least in this we can have a reliable source - LGF.

It's not their smears that I'm afraid of, it's of the fact that people here will believe them.

96 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:34:57am
97 Charles  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 12:29:21pm

Here's what really happened: I saw the link from Matt Cutts's blog in our referrals, followed the link and read what he wrote. No one wrote to me asking for a retraction. (Unless I missed it in the daily flood of email.)

I'm definitely not an apologist for Google, but if you were indeed loading your site with hidden keywords then you can't really complain about being dropped from the index for political reasons.

98 vp91  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:58:44pm

busted.

99 vp91  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:01pm

Trying to make yourself a cause celebre. When you are in fact a spammer. Shame!

100 Red Square  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:20:56pm

To Charles - my apologies - but this was what trolls on the Cube had told me: they were sending emails to everyone involved. It would be right though if you change the last line at the top to read "Matt Cutts, a Google employee, suggests a more likely possibility"

To trolls: I guess I'll have to change my name to Red Spammer from now on, and carry it proudly.

Even if I violated in some way Google's policies - "blatant" would hardly be the word to describe it. If you look at the matter objectively you will see that half of those few hidden links are explicitly present on the Cube anyway, as images (Che-Mart, Communists for Kerry, etc). The other half leads to some small sites that I had built for my friends. These were not link farms promoting ranking for Cheap Viagra or Teen Porn sites that one would associate with "blatant spamming." The keywords that I was compelled to use to help Google steer visitors to the Cube were all relevant to the site's content. These were not "hot sex porn xxx boobs, Paris Hilton, etc." which you might call "egregious." Yet I was labeled as The Evil Spammer Who Got What He Deserved, all over the Internet. The glee and gloating on many a "liberal" blog in this regard was POLITICALLY motivated - while they merrily reported how this was *not* a POLITICALLY motivated suppression. Something's wrong with this picture, isn't it?

Some real, egregious abuse of the internet is out there - and the trolls know it as well as I do - yet someone choses to focus on the Cube's laughable irregularity. Chances of that happening automatically are equal to the chances of being struck by a lightning - especially that Google does not yet have bots that can detect hidden text. Hence my suspicion that it was a deliberate, manual removal. I still believe that was the case - maybe not an official decision, but someone's arbitrary action, possibly after some activist reported of the "irregularity." It's just a sign that we are growing. Such things happened in the past, they will happen again.

101 xavier86@mac.com  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:02:56pm

Dude, you were busted. Get over it

102 cicadajoe  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:34:50pm

All the angry rhetoric! Seems to me that any alleged "offenses" by thepeoplescube were minimal at best. Of course the Google crew could make a case for removal, but the effort associated with the removal is out of proportion to offense. And why so much hatred and invective? Why accuse the site owner of trying to make himself a cause celebre when he was reacting to a sudden ban of his site? That strikes me as purposefully hurtful rhetoric from people with an axe to grind.

I would bet the site was targeted by someone who doesn't like it and reported it. Unfortunately, this is a case you can never win unless Google tells you the entire story. Anyone who looks at the site can see it is legitimate and not geared to SPAM. Past incidents of SPAMMING by users on the site might trigger review, but a quick investigation can prove the links were related to user posts.

Charles, how many of the angry posts above came from people registered in the last few days? Wouldn't that make you wonder?

103 vp91  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:18:20am

This reminds me of complaints by, say, blacks that the police target them when in fact they get arrested for, say, having crack.

You did something wrong. You got caught.

104 cicadajoe  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:55:14am

"vp91"

You remind me of, say, a racist jerk who runs his mouth off, say, for no good reason and makes dumb analogies, say, because he's not too bright.

105 vp91  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:32:08am

joe,

That was actually funny, made me laugh even though it was at my own expense.

I think the analogy is good. He feels unfairly targeted, and that may very well be the case, and that may be why he was caught, but the fact remains that he did something wrong.

106 Red Square  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:40:51am

A better analogy would be this: You get sent up for life to a federal prison for jaywalking.

How many times have you crossed the street when there were no cars, without even looking at the lights?

Imagine yourself doing that, while some sleazy bastard (perhaps your political opponent in the coming election) gets it on camera, reports it to the authorities, and blows the case out of proportion, portraying you as a dangerous offender who causes all those traffic accidents, drunk driving, road rage, and overturned SUVs. A group of hacks from his PAC jump on the bandwagon; get the press involved, the public gets bombarded with heart-breaking stories of mothers who got children kidnapped while crossing the road. The jury gets all mushy and you get sent up for life.

You tell your friends, "Wait, we were walking together, remember?" But your friends say, "We don't know you anymore. Go serve your life sentence, you child-murdering monster!"

And your smiling political opponent says from a TV screen "Dude, you were busted. Get over it," and he sends out glowing press releases about how he rid the world of a vermin such as you.

Get my drift?

107 Red Square  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:04:43am

For those who don't know what malicious spam is, here's a typical example of REAL spam. Please take a look at the source code behind this innocent-looking "Komodo Dragon" page and tell me again with a straight face that the Cube is a "blatant abuser."

[Link: dragon.hasce.com...]

Note that refreshing the site changes the site's content dynamically, thus making it harder for a bot that looks for stuffed keywords to detect foul play.

108 piglet  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:24:13am

It's funny about google. Gmail is spam free, and works great. But a little unerving when the ads on the right side of the page make reference to the subject of the e-mail you are reading or sending. For fun we've tried sending e-mails with certain code words to see if we could bring up certain ads.

109 Red Square  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 9:14:24am

NEW HEADLINE:

Google's Matt Cutts: The People Cube's hidden keywords cause Global Warming, terrorism

110 Red Square  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 9:26:44am

HEADLINE:

Google investigation links the People's Cube to Nigerian lottery, penis enlargement, and cheap viagra mailings


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